From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 00:07:14 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 01:07:14 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
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The iPod classic does not have VoiceIver. If you need an accessible
music player get a nano. You will love the thing, really!!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 1, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Chris,
> It sounds like your fifth generation is not touch screen and the sixth
> generation is. That is why I'm hearing different stories from different
> people. No one mentioned the classic. Is ipod classic touch screen? How does
> it operate? Does it have voice over?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:23 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Oh, so that must be the touch screen one.
>
> Chris
>
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
> 1968-1986
>
> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions
> which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more
> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit
> us online at www.icanfoundation.info!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aubrie Lucas" <aubielynn at gmail.com
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:06:25 -0900
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> The Sixth Generation.  It was released in September of last year.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> It must be.  I thought the 5th generation was pretty new, but I
> guess I was
> wrong.  What is the latest Nano model?
>
> Chris
>
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
> can be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
> 1968-1986
>
> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
> in
> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
> assistive
> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
> them be
> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
> Foundation
> and to support our work, visit us online at
> www.icanfoundation.info!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:00:13 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Hi all,
> I checked online.  The Ipod nano must be a touch screen.  Chris,
> yours with
> the touch wheel and buttons must be older.
> The description said
> Getting where you want to go is simple on iPod nano.  The large
> icons make
> scrolling and tapping to get to your favorite music, workout,
> radio
> station, or clock face easy.  View icons one at a time, or
> display four
> icons on each screen.  And you can change the order of the icons
> to find
> your stuff fast.
>
>
> Ashley-----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Good idea.
>
> Chris
>
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
> can be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
> 1968-1986
>
> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
> in
> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
> assistive
> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
> them be
> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
> Foundation
> and to support our work, visit us online at
> www.icanfoundation.info!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:41:54 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Chris,
> The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple.  I don't want
> a touch
> screen.  So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the
> shuffle.
> You say yours is a fifth generation.  I'll see if that is still
> sold.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Hi Ashley,
>
> The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine.
>
> Chris
>
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
> can be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
> 1968-1986
>
> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
> in
> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
> assistive
> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
> them be
> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
> Foundation
> and to support our work, visit us online at
> www.icanfoundation.info!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Chris,
> You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb  size;
> maybe four or
> six gb would do for me.
> Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone
> keypad? On the
> shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button.
> Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much
> and do
> gestures, maybe I could learn the nano.
> I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape.  I've also used
> the clock
> face reference to learn button functions.  Yes the  ipod shuffle
> is old.
> So next one will be a shuffle or a nano.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Hi Ashley,
>
> Here are some answers to your questions:
>
> * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's
> come in a
> lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano.  There are 16 gig models
> too.
>
> * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in,
> to the
> best of my knowledge.  It might have started with the 1st
> generation Nano,
> though; I can't remember.
>
> * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination
> of a
> touch screen and buttons.  However, you can't really tell that
> they are
> buttons at first because they're not very raised, so it looks
> like a touch
> screen.  To fix this problem, I put Wiki sticks on each button to
> raise
> them, and had a sighted person help me learn which button did
> what.  I then
> used the clock-face technique to learn it.  On the Nano, the
> button at: 12
> o'clock is the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an
> album or go
> to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is
> in shuffle
> mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock is the go
> back button,
> and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to the previous menu.)
> The button
> in the middle of the circle where all the buttons are is the "OK"
> or
> "select" button.  If you are hearing a song and you want to know
> the title
> and artist of the song that is playing, just hit the center
> button and
> VoiceOver will tell you.  You may have to do this twice.  And if
> you shake
> the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to
> shuffle"
> feature.  The only time you will need to use a touchscreen-like
> gesture is
> when you are in a menu.  Just a little flick (1 finger) forward
> will move
> you to the next item in the menu; a flick back will move you to
> the
> previous item in the menu.  When you get to the item you want,
> hit the
> center button.
>
> If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me
> know!
> Hope this helps!
>
> Chris
>
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
> can be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
> 1968-1986
>
> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
> in
> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
> assistive
> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
> them be
> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
> Foundation
> and to support our work, visit us online at
> www.icanfoundation.info!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Hi all,
>
> What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with
> that
> talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that was a
> present
> to me a few years ago.
> What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1
> gig, which
> I?셫 discovering is not big enough!
> I?셫 not interested in a touch screen device because I think it
> would be
> too easy to press the wrong thing.  Are any ipods screen based
> but not a
> touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch screen, but not
> sure.
>
> Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation
> ability
> with them? By chapter?
> I might get an ipod again  with a bigger memory capacity and
> wondered my
> options.  I like the shuffle because its small and simple to use;
> few
> buttons.  So I might stick with that.
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 00:12:11 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 01:12:11 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email
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Well... One works on the Mac and the other on the iPhone...

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 31, 2011, at 9:17 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:

> What are the differences between the to of them?
> Koby.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 1:44 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email
>
> I love Apple Mail and Mail on the iPhone. They just work for me and I
> never have problems with them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 31, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Antonio,
>>
>> I mainly use Keymail, which is the email program built into my
> BrailleNote, or the Gmail Web interface.  I find myself using the
> BrailleNote more for emails, mainly because I don't like Gmail's
> grouping of emails into "conversations," or threads, in the Web
> interface.  I can't easily reply to a particular email in the Web
> interface, but can only reply to the email at the end of the thread.
> I've tried Outlook, but it seemed a little confusing to me.  Hope this
> helps! Happy new year!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
> 1968-1986
>>
>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in
> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive
> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be
> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
> Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at
> www.icanfoundation.info!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:02:00 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] managing email
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm wondering how some of you find a way to manage email most
>> effectively.  What one program do you find fits most of your needs?
>>
>> I find myself using Thunderbird on a windows XP machine, and 2 windows
> 7
>> setups.
>>
>> I have outlook express on the XP machine, and use Mac OS mail program
> at
>> times.
>>
>> I have the option to use Outlook 2000 and Outlook 2007, but I remember
>> not liking Outlook for one reason or another.  I would set it up with
> my
>> gmail accounts to see what added features I can get out of the 2007
> one,
>> since it is newer and bound to be more feature-rich.
>>
>> I often mail from the iPhone.
>>
>> This almost infinit number of options is daunting since each program
>> sorts messages differently, has its own addressbook, and so on.
>>
>> I have yet to be able to find out how I can purchase a Microsoft
>> Exchange account which may be the most logical solution to my problem.
>> Quite frankly I've only gotten general information and instruction on
>> setting one up.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Antonio
>>
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  1 00:15:14 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:15:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
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but does the classic have a screen you need to see? If it only has buttons 
that would be usable.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ignasi Cambra
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:07 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods

The iPod classic does not have VoiceIver. If you need an accessible
music player get a nano. You will love the thing, really!!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 1, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 
wrote:

> Chris,
> It sounds like your fifth generation is not touch screen and the sixth
> generation is. That is why I'm hearing different stories from different
> people. No one mentioned the classic. Is ipod classic touch screen? How 
> does
> it operate? Does it have voice over?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:23 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Oh, so that must be the touch screen one.
>
> Chris
>
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
> 1968-1986
>
> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions
> which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more
> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit
> us online at www.icanfoundation.info!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aubrie Lucas" <aubielynn at gmail.com
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:06:25 -0900
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> The Sixth Generation.  It was released in September of last year.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> It must be.  I thought the 5th generation was pretty new, but I
> guess I was
> wrong.  What is the latest Nano model?
>
> Chris
>
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
> can be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
> 1968-1986
>
> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
> in
> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
> assistive
> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
> them be
> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
> Foundation
> and to support our work, visit us online at
> www.icanfoundation.info!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:00:13 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Hi all,
> I checked online.  The Ipod nano must be a touch screen.  Chris,
> yours with
> the touch wheel and buttons must be older.
> The description said
> Getting where you want to go is simple on iPod nano.  The large
> icons make
> scrolling and tapping to get to your favorite music, workout,
> radio
> station, or clock face easy.  View icons one at a time, or
> display four
> icons on each screen.  And you can change the order of the icons
> to find
> your stuff fast.
>
>
> Ashley-----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Good idea.
>
> Chris
>
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
> can be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
> 1968-1986
>
> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
> in
> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
> assistive
> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
> them be
> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
> Foundation
> and to support our work, visit us online at
> www.icanfoundation.info!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:41:54 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Chris,
> The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple.  I don't want
> a touch
> screen.  So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the
> shuffle.
> You say yours is a fifth generation.  I'll see if that is still
> sold.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Hi Ashley,
>
> The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine.
>
> Chris
>
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
> can be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
> 1968-1986
>
> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
> in
> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
> assistive
> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
> them be
> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
> Foundation
> and to support our work, visit us online at
> www.icanfoundation.info!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Chris,
> You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb  size;
> maybe four or
> six gb would do for me.
> Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone
> keypad? On the
> shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button.
> Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much
> and do
> gestures, maybe I could learn the nano.
> I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape.  I've also used
> the clock
> face reference to learn button functions.  Yes the  ipod shuffle
> is old.
> So next one will be a shuffle or a nano.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Hi Ashley,
>
> Here are some answers to your questions:
>
> * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's
> come in a
> lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano.  There are 16 gig models
> too.
>
> * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in,
> to the
> best of my knowledge.  It might have started with the 1st
> generation Nano,
> though; I can't remember.
>
> * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination
> of a
> touch screen and buttons.  However, you can't really tell that
> they are
> buttons at first because they're not very raised, so it looks
> like a touch
> screen.  To fix this problem, I put Wiki sticks on each button to
> raise
> them, and had a sighted person help me learn which button did
> what.  I then
> used the clock-face technique to learn it.  On the Nano, the
> button at: 12
> o'clock is the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an
> album or go
> to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is
> in shuffle
> mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock is the go
> back button,
> and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to the previous menu.)
> The button
> in the middle of the circle where all the buttons are is the "OK"
> or
> "select" button.  If you are hearing a song and you want to know
> the title
> and artist of the song that is playing, just hit the center
> button and
> VoiceOver will tell you.  You may have to do this twice.  And if
> you shake
> the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to
> shuffle"
> feature.  The only time you will need to use a touchscreen-like
> gesture is
> when you are in a menu.  Just a little flick (1 finger) forward
> will move
> you to the next item in the menu; a flick back will move you to
> the
> previous item in the menu.  When you get to the item you want,
> hit the
> center button.
>
> If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me
> know!
> Hope this helps!
>
> Chris
>
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
> can be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
> 1968-1986
>
> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
> in
> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
> assistive
> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
> them be
> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
> Foundation
> and to support our work, visit us online at
> www.icanfoundation.info!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> Hi all,
>
> What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with
> that
> talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that was a
> present
> to me a few years ago.
> What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1
> gig, which
> I?셫 discovering is not big enough!
> I?셫 not interested in a touch screen device because I think it
> would be
> too easy to press the wrong thing.  Are any ipods screen based
> but not a
> touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch screen, but not
> sure.
>
> Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation
> ability
> with them? By chapter?
> I might get an ipod again  with a bigger memory capacity and
> wondered my
> options.  I like the shuffle because its small and simple to use;
> few
> buttons.  So I might stick with that.
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  1 00:35:44 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:35:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
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wonder when it will be ready for sale. I'd like braille displays to be more 
affordable. Even $500 would be better than the thousands they are now.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:00 PM
To: shaneread at fastmail.fm ; jessbrl at fastmail.fm ; deniserob at gmail.com ; 
nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; GUI-talk at nfbnet.org ; villagers at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo



-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:03 PM
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo

Subject: Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo

http://www.indiegogo.com/Open-Source-Braille-Display

The Story

This project started earlier this year when I
read a local author's book of life as a Blind
person. After contacting him, I decided I could best help by
designing a simple device to make low-cost
Braille display from a computer possible.

So Will It Change the World?

I hope so - or I wouldn't be working on it!

Braille is to the Blind as the written word is to
us sighted folk - and so Braille literacy is
vitally important. Yet according to Wikipedia, while in 1960
half of blind American schoolchildren could read
Braille, in 2007, that number had dropped to one
in ten. To improve literacy, we need to make available
more ways to access and learn Braille - and an
important one is a tool to allow the Blind to
read the vast amounts of information on the Internet.

For many years, Braille readers have done just
that. A Braille reader takes computer text and
turns it into tactile impressions of Braille characters for
the blind to 'read'. However, these devices are
expensive - thousands of dollars - and so few can
afford them. The goal of this project is to make an Open
Source/Open Hardware Braille reader: simpler,
easy to build, well documented, and inexpensive,
so people anywhere can make it themselves (or get it made
locally).

But there's a second goal: to get people doing
more. This design is meant to be simple and cheap
to build. My hope is other, smarter people will step in
and build better, faster, and more powerful
devices. But nobody is doing it now, and so
someone has to start the ball rolling.

With your help, this will be that ball...

What You Can Do

The goal is to get from the current first
prototype to a finished design for a 40-character
Braille display, complete with software, and all the details
people need to build it, placed online. To that
end, here's some of the things needed:
list of 4 items
. Small CNC machine (build or buy), to do faster
turnaround of prototype parts.
. Purchase a selection of stepper motors and
driver boards, to test different
price/performance ratios for the Braille display design.
. Get a low-cost netbook to prototype the exact
software to run a device (netbook rather than a
full computer so as to test the device in the most likely
'real world' situation).
. Materials! Prototypes use up a lot of material,
as a part can get tweaked many times, each time requiring a new piece cut
out.
list end

Make no mistake - the project IS going ahead,
whether a little or a lot of money comes in - the
difference is just the speed things happen! So when this
project is out there making the difference I hope
it will, ask yourself how good it will feel to
say 'I helped with that' - and please contribute!

Any level is appreciated, and there's some 'thank
yous' listed on the right side of this page to show appreciate for your aid.

Progress will be discussed on my blog,
http://UtopiaMechanicus.com,
and designs will be made available there as they
are finished. All code and design will also be
made available for download, allowing people to make or
modify these products.

What (Else) You Can Do

Tell the world - the more people that know of
this project, the greater impact we can make.
Blog about it, tweet away, link to it, talk about it at work.
And please share this information with everyone and anyone.

Thank You.


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  1 00:36:04 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:36:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Music a
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this was blank.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 5:39 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Music a



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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan  1 00:41:02 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:41:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Music a
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I sent it again, with the full message.
I was asking if anyone had taken any Music Appreciation classes
online, because I have it this semester.
I was wondering how accessible the classes were.
My E-mail client has been acting up for a while.
Blessings, Joshua

On 12/31/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> this was blank.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 5:39 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Music a
>
>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan  1 00:44:57 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:44:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
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Message-ID: <CAO83KOuLoTuGiD86GzqL-fOGaD=U5oMcHoq8+Fgz+skCKGif7g@mail.gmail.com>

How many cells are on this new Braille display?
Also, why do the current ones cost so much?
That's like the IBill!
The IBill is small, but it costs $100.
It's the size of a Giga-pet, like I got as a child.
I only paid $5, for the giga-pet, but they expect me to pay $100 for
something, the same size!
Wow!
They should price things by size.
Blessings, Joshua

On 12/31/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> wonder when it will be ready for sale. I'd like braille displays to be more
> affordable. Even $500 would be better than the thousands they are now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Humberto Avila
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:00 PM
> To: shaneread at fastmail.fm ; jessbrl at fastmail.fm ; deniserob at gmail.com ;
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; GUI-talk at nfbnet.org ; villagers at gmail.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of David Andrews
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:03 PM
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>
> Subject: Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>
> http://www.indiegogo.com/Open-Source-Braille-Display
>
> The Story
>
> This project started earlier this year when I
> read a local author's book of life as a Blind
> person. After contacting him, I decided I could best help by
> designing a simple device to make low-cost
> Braille display from a computer possible.
>
> So Will It Change the World?
>
> I hope so - or I wouldn't be working on it!
>
> Braille is to the Blind as the written word is to
> us sighted folk - and so Braille literacy is
> vitally important. Yet according to Wikipedia, while in 1960
> half of blind American schoolchildren could read
> Braille, in 2007, that number had dropped to one
> in ten. To improve literacy, we need to make available
> more ways to access and learn Braille - and an
> important one is a tool to allow the Blind to
> read the vast amounts of information on the Internet.
>
> For many years, Braille readers have done just
> that. A Braille reader takes computer text and
> turns it into tactile impressions of Braille characters for
> the blind to 'read'. However, these devices are
> expensive - thousands of dollars - and so few can
> afford them. The goal of this project is to make an Open
> Source/Open Hardware Braille reader: simpler,
> easy to build, well documented, and inexpensive,
> so people anywhere can make it themselves (or get it made
> locally).
>
> But there's a second goal: to get people doing
> more. This design is meant to be simple and cheap
> to build. My hope is other, smarter people will step in
> and build better, faster, and more powerful
> devices. But nobody is doing it now, and so
> someone has to start the ball rolling.
>
> With your help, this will be that ball...
>
> What You Can Do
>
> The goal is to get from the current first
> prototype to a finished design for a 40-character
> Braille display, complete with software, and all the details
> people need to build it, placed online. To that
> end, here's some of the things needed:
> list of 4 items
> . Small CNC machine (build or buy), to do faster
> turnaround of prototype parts.
> . Purchase a selection of stepper motors and
> driver boards, to test different
> price/performance ratios for the Braille display design.
> . Get a low-cost netbook to prototype the exact
> software to run a device (netbook rather than a
> full computer so as to test the device in the most likely
> 'real world' situation).
> . Materials! Prototypes use up a lot of material,
> as a part can get tweaked many times, each time requiring a new piece cut
> out.
> list end
>
> Make no mistake - the project IS going ahead,
> whether a little or a lot of money comes in - the
> difference is just the speed things happen! So when this
> project is out there making the difference I hope
> it will, ask yourself how good it will feel to
> say 'I helped with that' - and please contribute!
>
> Any level is appreciated, and there's some 'thank
> yous' listed on the right side of this page to show appreciate for your aid.
>
> Progress will be discussed on my blog,
> http://UtopiaMechanicus.com,
> and designs will be made available there as they
> are finished. All code and design will also be
> made available for download, allowing people to make or
> modify these products.
>
> What (Else) You Can Do
>
> Tell the world - the more people that know of
> this project, the greater impact we can make.
> Blog about it, tweet away, link to it, talk about it at work.
> And please share this information with everyone and anyone.
>
> Thank You.
>
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  1 00:55:33 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:55:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
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its costly due to the technology, Josh.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:44 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display --  
IndieGoGo

How many cells are on this new Braille display?
Also, why do the current ones cost so much?
That's like the IBill!
The IBill is small, but it costs $100.
It's the size of a Giga-pet, like I got as a child.
I only paid $5, for the giga-pet, but they expect me to pay $100 for
something, the same size!
Wow!
They should price things by size.
Blessings, Joshua

On 12/31/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> wonder when it will be ready for sale. I'd like braille displays to be 
> more
> affordable. Even $500 would be better than the thousands they are now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Humberto Avila
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:00 PM
> To: shaneread at fastmail.fm ; jessbrl at fastmail.fm ; deniserob at gmail.com ;
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; GUI-talk at nfbnet.org ; villagers at gmail.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of David Andrews
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:03 PM
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>
> Subject: Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>
> http://www.indiegogo.com/Open-Source-Braille-Display
>
> The Story
>
> This project started earlier this year when I
> read a local author's book of life as a Blind
> person. After contacting him, I decided I could best help by
> designing a simple device to make low-cost
> Braille display from a computer possible.
>
> So Will It Change the World?
>
> I hope so - or I wouldn't be working on it!
>
> Braille is to the Blind as the written word is to
> us sighted folk - and so Braille literacy is
> vitally important. Yet according to Wikipedia, while in 1960
> half of blind American schoolchildren could read
> Braille, in 2007, that number had dropped to one
> in ten. To improve literacy, we need to make available
> more ways to access and learn Braille - and an
> important one is a tool to allow the Blind to
> read the vast amounts of information on the Internet.
>
> For many years, Braille readers have done just
> that. A Braille reader takes computer text and
> turns it into tactile impressions of Braille characters for
> the blind to 'read'. However, these devices are
> expensive - thousands of dollars - and so few can
> afford them. The goal of this project is to make an Open
> Source/Open Hardware Braille reader: simpler,
> easy to build, well documented, and inexpensive,
> so people anywhere can make it themselves (or get it made
> locally).
>
> But there's a second goal: to get people doing
> more. This design is meant to be simple and cheap
> to build. My hope is other, smarter people will step in
> and build better, faster, and more powerful
> devices. But nobody is doing it now, and so
> someone has to start the ball rolling.
>
> With your help, this will be that ball...
>
> What You Can Do
>
> The goal is to get from the current first
> prototype to a finished design for a 40-character
> Braille display, complete with software, and all the details
> people need to build it, placed online. To that
> end, here's some of the things needed:
> list of 4 items
> . Small CNC machine (build or buy), to do faster
> turnaround of prototype parts.
> . Purchase a selection of stepper motors and
> driver boards, to test different
> price/performance ratios for the Braille display design.
> . Get a low-cost netbook to prototype the exact
> software to run a device (netbook rather than a
> full computer so as to test the device in the most likely
> 'real world' situation).
> . Materials! Prototypes use up a lot of material,
> as a part can get tweaked many times, each time requiring a new piece cut
> out.
> list end
>
> Make no mistake - the project IS going ahead,
> whether a little or a lot of money comes in - the
> difference is just the speed things happen! So when this
> project is out there making the difference I hope
> it will, ask yourself how good it will feel to
> say 'I helped with that' - and please contribute!
>
> Any level is appreciated, and there's some 'thank
> yous' listed on the right side of this page to show appreciate for your 
> aid.
>
> Progress will be discussed on my blog,
> http://UtopiaMechanicus.com,
> and designs will be made available there as they
> are finished. All code and design will also be
> made available for download, allowing people to make or
> modify these products.
>
> What (Else) You Can Do
>
> Tell the world - the more people that know of
> this project, the greater impact we can make.
> Blog about it, tweet away, link to it, talk about it at work.
> And please share this information with everyone and anyone.
>
> Thank You.
>
>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan  1 00:58:53 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:58:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
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Yeah, but they ought to give us, (students,) a discount.
Blessings, Joshua

On 12/31/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> its costly due to the technology, Josh.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:44 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display --
> IndieGoGo
>
> How many cells are on this new Braille display?
> Also, why do the current ones cost so much?
> That's like the IBill!
> The IBill is small, but it costs $100.
> It's the size of a Giga-pet, like I got as a child.
> I only paid $5, for the giga-pet, but they expect me to pay $100 for
> something, the same size!
> Wow!
> They should price things by size.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 12/31/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> wonder when it will be ready for sale. I'd like braille displays to be
>> more
>> affordable. Even $500 would be better than the thousands they are now.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Humberto Avila
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:00 PM
>> To: shaneread at fastmail.fm ; jessbrl at fastmail.fm ; deniserob at gmail.com ;
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; GUI-talk at nfbnet.org ; villagers at gmail.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of David Andrews
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:03 PM
>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>>
>> Subject: Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>>
>> http://www.indiegogo.com/Open-Source-Braille-Display
>>
>> The Story
>>
>> This project started earlier this year when I
>> read a local author's book of life as a Blind
>> person. After contacting him, I decided I could best help by
>> designing a simple device to make low-cost
>> Braille display from a computer possible.
>>
>> So Will It Change the World?
>>
>> I hope so - or I wouldn't be working on it!
>>
>> Braille is to the Blind as the written word is to
>> us sighted folk - and so Braille literacy is
>> vitally important. Yet according to Wikipedia, while in 1960
>> half of blind American schoolchildren could read
>> Braille, in 2007, that number had dropped to one
>> in ten. To improve literacy, we need to make available
>> more ways to access and learn Braille - and an
>> important one is a tool to allow the Blind to
>> read the vast amounts of information on the Internet.
>>
>> For many years, Braille readers have done just
>> that. A Braille reader takes computer text and
>> turns it into tactile impressions of Braille characters for
>> the blind to 'read'. However, these devices are
>> expensive - thousands of dollars - and so few can
>> afford them. The goal of this project is to make an Open
>> Source/Open Hardware Braille reader: simpler,
>> easy to build, well documented, and inexpensive,
>> so people anywhere can make it themselves (or get it made
>> locally).
>>
>> But there's a second goal: to get people doing
>> more. This design is meant to be simple and cheap
>> to build. My hope is other, smarter people will step in
>> and build better, faster, and more powerful
>> devices. But nobody is doing it now, and so
>> someone has to start the ball rolling.
>>
>> With your help, this will be that ball...
>>
>> What You Can Do
>>
>> The goal is to get from the current first
>> prototype to a finished design for a 40-character
>> Braille display, complete with software, and all the details
>> people need to build it, placed online. To that
>> end, here's some of the things needed:
>> list of 4 items
>> . Small CNC machine (build or buy), to do faster
>> turnaround of prototype parts.
>> . Purchase a selection of stepper motors and
>> driver boards, to test different
>> price/performance ratios for the Braille display design.
>> . Get a low-cost netbook to prototype the exact
>> software to run a device (netbook rather than a
>> full computer so as to test the device in the most likely
>> 'real world' situation).
>> . Materials! Prototypes use up a lot of material,
>> as a part can get tweaked many times, each time requiring a new piece cut
>> out.
>> list end
>>
>> Make no mistake - the project IS going ahead,
>> whether a little or a lot of money comes in - the
>> difference is just the speed things happen! So when this
>> project is out there making the difference I hope
>> it will, ask yourself how good it will feel to
>> say 'I helped with that' - and please contribute!
>>
>> Any level is appreciated, and there's some 'thank
>> yous' listed on the right side of this page to show appreciate for your
>> aid.
>>
>> Progress will be discussed on my blog,
>> http://UtopiaMechanicus.com,
>> and designs will be made available there as they
>> are finished. All code and design will also be
>> made available for download, allowing people to make or
>> modify these products.
>>
>> What (Else) You Can Do
>>
>> Tell the world - the more people that know of
>> this project, the greater impact we can make.
>> Blog about it, tweet away, link to it, talk about it at work.
>> And please share this information with everyone and anyone.
>>
>> Thank You.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindtlk mailing list
>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 01:02:15 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 02:02:15 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
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It does have a screen you need to see. It's basically a larger version
of the nano 5th generation that Chris described, but it doesn't talk.
Buy a nano! If you end up hating it just blame it on me :)!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 1, 2012, at 1:17 AM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

> but does the classic have a screen you need to see? If it only has buttons that would be usable.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Ignasi Cambra
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:07 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>
> The iPod classic does not have VoiceIver. If you need an accessible
> music player get a nano. You will love the thing, really!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 1, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>> It sounds like your fifth generation is not touch screen and the sixth
>> generation is. That is why I'm hearing different stories from different
>> people. No one mentioned the classic. Is ipod classic touch screen? How does
>> it operate? Does it have voice over?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:23 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>
>> Oh, so that must be the touch screen one.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>> 1968-1986
>>
>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions
>> which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more
>> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit
>> us online at www.icanfoundation.info!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Aubrie Lucas" <aubielynn at gmail.com
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:06:25 -0900
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>
>> The Sixth Generation.  It was released in September of last year.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:03 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>
>> It must be.  I thought the 5th generation was pretty new, but I
>> guess I was
>> wrong.  What is the latest Nano model?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real
>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a
>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>> can be
>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>> 1968-1986
>>
>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>> in
>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>> assistive
>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
>> them be
>> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
>> Foundation
>> and to support our work, visit us online at
>> www.icanfoundation.info!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:00:13 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I checked online.  The Ipod nano must be a touch screen.  Chris,
>> yours with
>> the touch wheel and buttons must be older.
>> The description said
>> Getting where you want to go is simple on iPod nano.  The large
>> icons make
>> scrolling and tapping to get to your favorite music, workout,
>> radio
>> station, or clock face easy.  View icons one at a time, or
>> display four
>> icons on each screen.  And you can change the order of the icons
>> to find
>> your stuff fast.
>>
>>
>> Ashley-----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:59 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>
>> Good idea.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real
>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a
>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>> can be
>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>> 1968-1986
>>
>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>> in
>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>> assistive
>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
>> them be
>> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
>> Foundation
>> and to support our work, visit us online at
>> www.icanfoundation.info!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:41:54 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>
>> Chris,
>> The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple.  I don't want
>> a touch
>> screen.  So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the
>> shuffle.
>> You say yours is a fifth generation.  I'll see if that is still
>> sold.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>
>> Hi Ashley,
>>
>> The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real
>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a
>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>> can be
>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>> 1968-1986
>>
>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>> in
>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>> assistive
>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
>> them be
>> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
>> Foundation
>> and to support our work, visit us online at
>> www.icanfoundation.info!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>
>> Chris,
>> You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb  size;
>> maybe four or
>> six gb would do for me.
>> Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone
>> keypad? On the
>> shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button.
>> Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much
>> and do
>> gestures, maybe I could learn the nano.
>> I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape.  I've also used
>> the clock
>> face reference to learn button functions.  Yes the  ipod shuffle
>> is old.
>> So next one will be a shuffle or a nano.
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>
>> Hi Ashley,
>>
>> Here are some answers to your questions:
>>
>> * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's
>> come in a
>> lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano.  There are 16 gig models
>> too.
>>
>> * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in,
>> to the
>> best of my knowledge.  It might have started with the 1st
>> generation Nano,
>> though; I can't remember.
>>
>> * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination
>> of a
>> touch screen and buttons.  However, you can't really tell that
>> they are
>> buttons at first because they're not very raised, so it looks
>> like a touch
>> screen.  To fix this problem, I put Wiki sticks on each button to
>> raise
>> them, and had a sighted person help me learn which button did
>> what.  I then
>> used the clock-face technique to learn it.  On the Nano, the
>> button at: 12
>> o'clock is the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an
>> album or go
>> to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is
>> in shuffle
>> mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock is the go
>> back button,
>> and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to the previous menu.)
>> The button
>> in the middle of the circle where all the buttons are is the "OK"
>> or
>> "select" button.  If you are hearing a song and you want to know
>> the title
>> and artist of the song that is playing, just hit the center
>> button and
>> VoiceOver will tell you.  You may have to do this twice.  And if
>> you shake
>> the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to
>> shuffle"
>> feature.  The only time you will need to use a touchscreen-like
>> gesture is
>> when you are in a menu.  Just a little flick (1 finger) forward
>> will move
>> you to the next item in the menu; a flick back will move you to
>> the
>> previous item in the menu.  When you get to the item you want,
>> hit the
>> center button.
>>
>> If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me
>> know!
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real
>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a
>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>> can be
>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>> 1968-1986
>>
>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>> in
>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>> assistive
>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
>> them be
>> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
>> Foundation
>> and to support our work, visit us online at
>> www.icanfoundation.info!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with
>> that
>> talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that was a
>> present
>> to me a few years ago.
>> What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1
>> gig, which
>> I?셫 discovering is not big enough!
>> I?셫 not interested in a touch screen device because I think it
>> would be
>> too easy to press the wrong thing.  Are any ipods screen based
>> but not a
>> touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch screen, but not
>> sure.
>>
>> Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation
>> ability
>> with them? By chapter?
>> I might get an ipod again  with a bigger memory capacity and
>> wondered my
>> options.  I like the shuffle because its small and simple to use;
>> few
>> buttons.  So I might stick with that.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Ashley
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan  1 01:32:54 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:32:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
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If you actually read the message3 you would have seen that there is 
not yet a Braille display.  The guy has some ideas and is looking for funding.

Dave

At 06:44 PM 12/31/2011, you wrote:
>How many cells are on this new Braille display?
>Also, why do the current ones cost so much?
>That's like the IBill!
>The IBill is small, but it costs $100.
>It's the size of a Giga-pet, like I got as a child.
>I only paid $5, for the giga-pet, but they expect me to pay $100 for
>something, the same size!
>Wow!
>They should price things by size.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 12/31/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > wonder when it will be ready for sale. I'd like braille displays to be more
> > affordable. Even $500 would be better than the thousands they are now.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Humberto Avila
> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:00 PM
> > To: shaneread at fastmail.fm ; jessbrl at fastmail.fm ; deniserob at gmail.com ;
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; GUI-talk at nfbnet.org ; villagers at gmail.com
> > Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of David Andrews
> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:03 PM
> > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
> >
> > Subject: Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
> >
> > http://www.indiegogo.com/Open-Source-Braille-Display
> >
> > The Story
> >
> > This project started earlier this year when I
> > read a local author's book of life as a Blind
> > person. After contacting him, I decided I could best help by
> > designing a simple device to make low-cost
> > Braille display from a computer possible.
> >
> > So Will It Change the World?
> >
> > I hope so - or I wouldn't be working on it!
> >
> > Braille is to the Blind as the written word is to
> > us sighted folk - and so Braille literacy is
> > vitally important. Yet according to Wikipedia, while in 1960
> > half of blind American schoolchildren could read
> > Braille, in 2007, that number had dropped to one
> > in ten. To improve literacy, we need to make available
> > more ways to access and learn Braille - and an
> > important one is a tool to allow the Blind to
> > read the vast amounts of information on the Internet.
> >
> > For many years, Braille readers have done just
> > that. A Braille reader takes computer text and
> > turns it into tactile impressions of Braille characters for
> > the blind to 'read'. However, these devices are
> > expensive - thousands of dollars - and so few can
> > afford them. The goal of this project is to make an Open
> > Source/Open Hardware Braille reader: simpler,
> > easy to build, well documented, and inexpensive,
> > so people anywhere can make it themselves (or get it made
> > locally).
> >
> > But there's a second goal: to get people doing
> > more. This design is meant to be simple and cheap
> > to build. My hope is other, smarter people will step in
> > and build better, faster, and more powerful
> > devices. But nobody is doing it now, and so
> > someone has to start the ball rolling.
> >
> > With your help, this will be that ball...
> >
> > What You Can Do
> >
> > The goal is to get from the current first
> > prototype to a finished design for a 40-character
> > Braille display, complete with software, and all the details
> > people need to build it, placed online. To that
> > end, here's some of the things needed:
> > list of 4 items
> > . Small CNC machine (build or buy), to do faster
> > turnaround of prototype parts.
> > . Purchase a selection of stepper motors and
> > driver boards, to test different
> > price/performance ratios for the Braille display design.
> > . Get a low-cost netbook to prototype the exact
> > software to run a device (netbook rather than a
> > full computer so as to test the device in the most likely
> > 'real world' situation).
> > . Materials! Prototypes use up a lot of material,
> > as a part can get tweaked many times, each time requiring a new piece cut
> > out.
> > list end
> >
> > Make no mistake - the project IS going ahead,
> > whether a little or a lot of money comes in - the
> > difference is just the speed things happen! So when this
> > project is out there making the difference I hope
> > it will, ask yourself how good it will feel to
> > say 'I helped with that' - and please contribute!
> >
> > Any level is appreciated, and there's some 'thank
> > yous' listed on the right side of this page to show appreciate 
> for your aid.
> >
> > Progress will be discussed on my blog,
> > http://UtopiaMechanicus.com,
> > and designs will be made available there as they
> > are finished. All code and design will also be
> > made available for download, allowing people to make or
> > modify these products.
> >
> > What (Else) You Can Do
> >
> > Tell the world - the more people that know of
> > this project, the greater impact we can make.
> > Blog about it, tweet away, link to it, talk about it at work.
> > And please share this information with everyone and anyone.



From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan  1 01:35:58 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:35:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
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Hopefully he'll get it.
I'd like to know how many cells he's going to have on it, though.
Blessings, Joshua

On 12/31/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> If you actually read the message3 you would have seen that there is
> not yet a Braille display.  The guy has some ideas and is looking for
> funding.
>
> Dave
>
> At 06:44 PM 12/31/2011, you wrote:
>>How many cells are on this new Braille display?
>>Also, why do the current ones cost so much?
>>That's like the IBill!
>>The IBill is small, but it costs $100.
>>It's the size of a Giga-pet, like I got as a child.
>>I only paid $5, for the giga-pet, but they expect me to pay $100 for
>>something, the same size!
>>Wow!
>>They should price things by size.
>>Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>On 12/31/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > wonder when it will be ready for sale. I'd like braille displays to be
>> > more
>> > affordable. Even $500 would be better than the thousands they are now.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Humberto Avila
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:00 PM
>> > To: shaneread at fastmail.fm ; jessbrl at fastmail.fm ; deniserob at gmail.com ;
>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; GUI-talk at nfbnet.org ; villagers at gmail.com
>> > Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display --
>> > IndieGoGo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of David Andrews
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:03 PM
>> > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>> >
>> > Subject: Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>> >
>> > http://www.indiegogo.com/Open-Source-Braille-Display
>> >
>> > The Story
>> >
>> > This project started earlier this year when I
>> > read a local author's book of life as a Blind
>> > person. After contacting him, I decided I could best help by
>> > designing a simple device to make low-cost
>> > Braille display from a computer possible.
>> >
>> > So Will It Change the World?
>> >
>> > I hope so - or I wouldn't be working on it!
>> >
>> > Braille is to the Blind as the written word is to
>> > us sighted folk - and so Braille literacy is
>> > vitally important. Yet according to Wikipedia, while in 1960
>> > half of blind American schoolchildren could read
>> > Braille, in 2007, that number had dropped to one
>> > in ten. To improve literacy, we need to make available
>> > more ways to access and learn Braille - and an
>> > important one is a tool to allow the Blind to
>> > read the vast amounts of information on the Internet.
>> >
>> > For many years, Braille readers have done just
>> > that. A Braille reader takes computer text and
>> > turns it into tactile impressions of Braille characters for
>> > the blind to 'read'. However, these devices are
>> > expensive - thousands of dollars - and so few can
>> > afford them. The goal of this project is to make an Open
>> > Source/Open Hardware Braille reader: simpler,
>> > easy to build, well documented, and inexpensive,
>> > so people anywhere can make it themselves (or get it made
>> > locally).
>> >
>> > But there's a second goal: to get people doing
>> > more. This design is meant to be simple and cheap
>> > to build. My hope is other, smarter people will step in
>> > and build better, faster, and more powerful
>> > devices. But nobody is doing it now, and so
>> > someone has to start the ball rolling.
>> >
>> > With your help, this will be that ball...
>> >
>> > What You Can Do
>> >
>> > The goal is to get from the current first
>> > prototype to a finished design for a 40-character
>> > Braille display, complete with software, and all the details
>> > people need to build it, placed online. To that
>> > end, here's some of the things needed:
>> > list of 4 items
>> > . Small CNC machine (build or buy), to do faster
>> > turnaround of prototype parts.
>> > . Purchase a selection of stepper motors and
>> > driver boards, to test different
>> > price/performance ratios for the Braille display design.
>> > . Get a low-cost netbook to prototype the exact
>> > software to run a device (netbook rather than a
>> > full computer so as to test the device in the most likely
>> > 'real world' situation).
>> > . Materials! Prototypes use up a lot of material,
>> > as a part can get tweaked many times, each time requiring a new piece
>> > cut
>> > out.
>> > list end
>> >
>> > Make no mistake - the project IS going ahead,
>> > whether a little or a lot of money comes in - the
>> > difference is just the speed things happen! So when this
>> > project is out there making the difference I hope
>> > it will, ask yourself how good it will feel to
>> > say 'I helped with that' - and please contribute!
>> >
>> > Any level is appreciated, and there's some 'thank
>> > yous' listed on the right side of this page to show appreciate
>> for your aid.
>> >
>> > Progress will be discussed on my blog,
>> > http://UtopiaMechanicus.com,
>> > and designs will be made available there as they
>> > are finished. All code and design will also be
>> > made available for download, allowing people to make or
>> > modify these products.
>> >
>> > What (Else) You Can Do
>> >
>> > Tell the world - the more people that know of
>> > this project, the greater impact we can make.
>> > Blog about it, tweet away, link to it, talk about it at work.
>> > And please share this information with everyone and anyone.
>
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan  1 02:54:19 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:54:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
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It will most likely never be ready for sale.  It is just a proposal 
at this point, and others have tried to use the technology they 
propose, without success.

Dave

At 06:35 PM 12/31/2011, you wrote:
>wonder when it will be ready for sale. I'd like braille displays to 
>be more affordable. Even $500 would be better than the thousands they are now.
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila
>Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:00 PM
>To: shaneread at fastmail.fm ; jessbrl at fastmail.fm ; 
>deniserob at gmail.com ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; GUI-talk at nfbnet.org ; 
>villagers at gmail.com
>Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of David Andrews
>Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:03 PM
>To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>
>Subject: Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>
>http://www.indiegogo.com/Open-Source-Braille-Display
>
>The Story
>
>This project started earlier this year when I
>read a local author's book of life as a Blind
>person. After contacting him, I decided I could best help by
>designing a simple device to make low-cost
>Braille display from a computer possible.
>
>So Will It Change the World?
>
>I hope so - or I wouldn't be working on it!
>
>Braille is to the Blind as the written word is to
>us sighted folk - and so Braille literacy is
>vitally important. Yet according to Wikipedia, while in 1960
>half of blind American schoolchildren could read
>Braille, in 2007, that number had dropped to one
>in ten. To improve literacy, we need to make available
>more ways to access and learn Braille - and an
>important one is a tool to allow the Blind to
>read the vast amounts of information on the Internet.
>
>For many years, Braille readers have done just
>that. A Braille reader takes computer text and
>turns it into tactile impressions of Braille characters for
>the blind to 'read'. However, these devices are
>expensive - thousands of dollars - and so few can
>afford them. The goal of this project is to make an Open
>Source/Open Hardware Braille reader: simpler,
>easy to build, well documented, and inexpensive,
>so people anywhere can make it themselves (or get it made
>locally).
>
>But there's a second goal: to get people doing
>more. This design is meant to be simple and cheap
>to build. My hope is other, smarter people will step in
>and build better, faster, and more powerful
>devices. But nobody is doing it now, and so
>someone has to start the ball rolling.
>
>With your help, this will be that ball...
>
>What You Can Do
>
>The goal is to get from the current first
>prototype to a finished design for a 40-character
>Braille display, complete with software, and all the details
>people need to build it, placed online. To that
>end, here's some of the things needed:
>list of 4 items
>. Small CNC machine (build or buy), to do faster
>turnaround of prototype parts.
>. Purchase a selection of stepper motors and
>driver boards, to test different
>price/performance ratios for the Braille display design.
>. Get a low-cost netbook to prototype the exact
>software to run a device (netbook rather than a
>full computer so as to test the device in the most likely
>'real world' situation).
>. Materials! Prototypes use up a lot of material,
>as a part can get tweaked many times, each time requiring a new piece cut
>out.
>list end
>
>Make no mistake - the project IS going ahead,
>whether a little or a lot of money comes in - the
>difference is just the speed things happen! So when this
>project is out there making the difference I hope
>it will, ask yourself how good it will feel to
>say 'I helped with that' - and please contribute!
>
>Any level is appreciated, and there's some 'thank
>yous' listed on the right side of this page to show appreciate for your aid.
>
>Progress will be discussed on my blog,
>http://UtopiaMechanicus.com,
>and designs will be made available there as they
>are finished. All code and design will also be
>made available for download, allowing people to make or
>modify these products.
>
>What (Else) You Can Do
>
>Tell the world - the more people that know of
>this project, the greater impact we can make.
>Blog about it, tweet away, link to it, talk about it at work.
>And please share this information with everyone and anyone.
>
>Thank You.



From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan  1 02:56:26 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:56:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
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Companies need to make money to survive.  If they provide a discount 
to a sizable part of their audience, then how can they do that.???

Dave

At 06:58 PM 12/31/2011, you wrote:
>Yeah, but they ought to give us, (students,) a discount.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 12/31/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > its costly due to the technology, Josh.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joshua Lester
> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:44 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display --
> > IndieGoGo
> >
> > How many cells are on this new Braille display?
> > Also, why do the current ones cost so much?
> > That's like the IBill!
> > The IBill is small, but it costs $100.
> > It's the size of a Giga-pet, like I got as a child.
> > I only paid $5, for the giga-pet, but they expect me to pay $100 for
> > something, the same size!
> > Wow!
> > They should price things by size.
> > Blessings, Joshua
> >
> > On 12/31/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> wonder when it will be ready for sale. I'd like braille displays to be
> >> more
> >> affordable. Even $500 would be better than the thousands they are now.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Humberto Avila
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:00 PM
> >> To: shaneread at fastmail.fm ; jessbrl at fastmail.fm ; deniserob at gmail.com ;
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; GUI-talk at nfbnet.org ; villagers at gmail.com
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf Of David Andrews
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:03 PM
> >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
> >>
> >> Subject: Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
> >>
> >> http://www.indiegogo.com/Open-Source-Braille-Display
> >>
> >> The Story
> >>
> >> This project started earlier this year when I
> >> read a local author's book of life as a Blind
> >> person. After contacting him, I decided I could best help by
> >> designing a simple device to make low-cost
> >> Braille display from a computer possible.
> >>
> >> So Will It Change the World?
> >>
> >> I hope so - or I wouldn't be working on it!
> >>
> >> Braille is to the Blind as the written word is to
> >> us sighted folk - and so Braille literacy is
> >> vitally important. Yet according to Wikipedia, while in 1960
> >> half of blind American schoolchildren could read
> >> Braille, in 2007, that number had dropped to one
> >> in ten. To improve literacy, we need to make available
> >> more ways to access and learn Braille - and an
> >> important one is a tool to allow the Blind to
> >> read the vast amounts of information on the Internet.
> >>
> >> For many years, Braille readers have done just
> >> that. A Braille reader takes computer text and
> >> turns it into tactile impressions of Braille characters for
> >> the blind to 'read'. However, these devices are
> >> expensive - thousands of dollars - and so few can
> >> afford them. The goal of this project is to make an Open
> >> Source/Open Hardware Braille reader: simpler,
> >> easy to build, well documented, and inexpensive,
> >> so people anywhere can make it themselves (or get it made
> >> locally).
> >>
> >> But there's a second goal: to get people doing
> >> more. This design is meant to be simple and cheap
> >> to build. My hope is other, smarter people will step in
> >> and build better, faster, and more powerful
> >> devices. But nobody is doing it now, and so
> >> someone has to start the ball rolling.
> >>
> >> With your help, this will be that ball...
> >>
> >> What You Can Do
> >>
> >> The goal is to get from the current first
> >> prototype to a finished design for a 40-character
> >> Braille display, complete with software, and all the details
> >> people need to build it, placed online. To that
> >> end, here's some of the things needed:
> >> list of 4 items
> >> . Small CNC machine (build or buy), to do faster
> >> turnaround of prototype parts.
> >> . Purchase a selection of stepper motors and
> >> driver boards, to test different
> >> price/performance ratios for the Braille display design.
> >> . Get a low-cost netbook to prototype the exact
> >> software to run a device (netbook rather than a
> >> full computer so as to test the device in the most likely
> >> 'real world' situation).
> >> . Materials! Prototypes use up a lot of material,
> >> as a part can get tweaked many times, each time requiring a new piece cut
> >> out.
> >> list end
> >>
> >> Make no mistake - the project IS going ahead,
> >> whether a little or a lot of money comes in - the
> >> difference is just the speed things happen! So when this
> >> project is out there making the difference I hope
> >> it will, ask yourself how good it will feel to
> >> say 'I helped with that' - and please contribute!
> >>
> >> Any level is appreciated, and there's some 'thank
> >> yous' listed on the right side of this page to show appreciate for your
> >> aid.
> >>
> >> Progress will be discussed on my blog,
> >> http://UtopiaMechanicus.com,
> >> and designs will be made available there as they
> >> are finished. All code and design will also be
> >> made available for download, allowing people to make or
> >> modify these products.
> >>
> >> What (Else) You Can Do
> >>
> >> Tell the world - the more people that know of
> >> this project, the greater impact we can make.
> >> Blog about it, tweet away, link to it, talk about it at work.
> >> And please share this information with everyone and anyone.
> >>
> >> Thank You.



From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan  1 02:57:49 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:57:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
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The proposal mentions 40 cells.

Dave

At 07:35 PM 12/31/2011, you wrote:
>Hopefully he'll get it.
>I'd like to know how many cells he's going to have on it, though.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 12/31/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> > If you actually read the message3 you would have seen that there is
> > not yet a Braille display.  The guy has some ideas and is looking for
> > funding.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > At 06:44 PM 12/31/2011, you wrote:
> >>How many cells are on this new Braille display?
> >>Also, why do the current ones cost so much?
> >>That's like the IBill!
> >>The IBill is small, but it costs $100.
> >>It's the size of a Giga-pet, like I got as a child.
> >>I only paid $5, for the giga-pet, but they expect me to pay $100 for
> >>something, the same size!
> >>Wow!
> >>They should price things by size.
> >>Blessings, Joshua
> >>
> >>On 12/31/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> > wonder when it will be ready for sale. I'd like braille displays to be
> >> > more
> >> > affordable. Even $500 would be better than the thousands they are now.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Humberto Avila
> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:00 PM
> >> > To: shaneread at fastmail.fm ; jessbrl at fastmail.fm ; deniserob at gmail.com ;
> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; GUI-talk at nfbnet.org ; villagers at gmail.com
> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display --
> >> > IndieGoGo
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> > On
> >> > Behalf Of David Andrews
> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:03 PM
> >> > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> >> > Subject: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
> >> >
> >> > Subject: Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
> >> >
> >> > http://www.indiegogo.com/Open-Source-Braille-Display
> >> >
> >> > The Story
> >> >
> >> > This project started earlier this year when I
> >> > read a local author's book of life as a Blind
> >> > person. After contacting him, I decided I could best help by
> >> > designing a simple device to make low-cost
> >> > Braille display from a computer possible.
> >> >
> >> > So Will It Change the World?
> >> >
> >> > I hope so - or I wouldn't be working on it!
> >> >
> >> > Braille is to the Blind as the written word is to
> >> > us sighted folk - and so Braille literacy is
> >> > vitally important. Yet according to Wikipedia, while in 1960
> >> > half of blind American schoolchildren could read
> >> > Braille, in 2007, that number had dropped to one
> >> > in ten. To improve literacy, we need to make available
> >> > more ways to access and learn Braille - and an
> >> > important one is a tool to allow the Blind to
> >> > read the vast amounts of information on the Internet.
> >> >
> >> > For many years, Braille readers have done just
> >> > that. A Braille reader takes computer text and
> >> > turns it into tactile impressions of Braille characters for
> >> > the blind to 'read'. However, these devices are
> >> > expensive - thousands of dollars - and so few can
> >> > afford them. The goal of this project is to make an Open
> >> > Source/Open Hardware Braille reader: simpler,
> >> > easy to build, well documented, and inexpensive,
> >> > so people anywhere can make it themselves (or get it made
> >> > locally).
> >> >
> >> > But there's a second goal: to get people doing
> >> > more. This design is meant to be simple and cheap
> >> > to build. My hope is other, smarter people will step in
> >> > and build better, faster, and more powerful
> >> > devices. But nobody is doing it now, and so
> >> > someone has to start the ball rolling.
> >> >
> >> > With your help, this will be that ball...
> >> >
> >> > What You Can Do
> >> >
> >> > The goal is to get from the current first
> >> > prototype to a finished design for a 40-character
> >> > Braille display, complete with software, and all the details
> >> > people need to build it, placed online. To that
> >> > end, here's some of the things needed:
> >> > list of 4 items
> >> > . Small CNC machine (build or buy), to do faster
> >> > turnaround of prototype parts.
> >> > . Purchase a selection of stepper motors and
> >> > driver boards, to test different
> >> > price/performance ratios for the Braille display design.
> >> > . Get a low-cost netbook to prototype the exact
> >> > software to run a device (netbook rather than a
> >> > full computer so as to test the device in the most likely
> >> > 'real world' situation).
> >> > . Materials! Prototypes use up a lot of material,
> >> > as a part can get tweaked many times, each time requiring a new piece
> >> > cut
> >> > out.
> >> > list end
> >> >
> >> > Make no mistake - the project IS going ahead,
> >> > whether a little or a lot of money comes in - the
> >> > difference is just the speed things happen! So when this
> >> > project is out there making the difference I hope
> >> > it will, ask yourself how good it will feel to
> >> > say 'I helped with that' - and please contribute!
> >> >
> >> > Any level is appreciated, and there's some 'thank
> >> > yous' listed on the right side of this page to show appreciate
> >> for your aid.
> >> >
> >> > Progress will be discussed on my blog,
> >> > http://UtopiaMechanicus.com,
> >> > and designs will be made available there as they
> >> > are finished. All code and design will also be
> >> > made available for download, allowing people to make or
> >> > modify these products.
> >> >
> >> > What (Else) You Can Do
> >> >
> >> > Tell the world - the more people that know of
> >> > this project, the greater impact we can make.
> >> > Blog about it, tweet away, link to it, talk about it at work.
> >> > And please share this information with everyone and anyone.



From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan  1 03:06:03 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:06:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
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Your assertion that things should be priced by size is one of the 
most utterly ridiculous things that I have ever read!  I could make 
you a giant empty box and charge you a million bucks for it.

The cost of something depends on a lot of things, what goes into 
them, the rarity or plentifulness of what is inside, the work it 
takes to make it, the work it took to develop etc.  And ... with 
electronics and mechanical things, it may actually cost more to make 
very small devices because of the small tolerances for error, the 
difficulty of making a component smaller etc.

There are many variables and a generalization like yours just doesn't stand up.

The major cost of a Braille display is the cells themselves.  It is 
difficult to make them small, precise, fast, and able to cycle 
hundreds of thousands of time without problems.  Over the years I 
have seen countless proposals, and even quite a few prototypes of new 
technology for cells, and none besides the piezoelectric cells we 
currently use have ever panned out.  It doesn't mean one won't do so 
some day, but it is a much more difficult problem then most people 
think.  If it was easy we would already have alternatives -- because 
it isn't because people haven't tried.  A number of years ago I was 
told that the cost of each Braille cell was $50 and I doubt it is 
much less, if any today.  That is the main expense and there is no 
way around it yet.

Dave

At 06:44 PM 12/31/2011, you wrote:
>How many cells are on this new Braille display?
>Also, why do the current ones cost so much?
>That's like the IBill!
>The IBill is small, but it costs $100.
>It's the size of a Giga-pet, like I got as a child.
>I only paid $5, for the giga-pet, but they expect me to pay $100 for
>something, the same size!
>Wow!
>They should price things by size.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 12/31/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > wonder when it will be ready for sale. I'd like braille displays to be more
> > affordable. Even $500 would be better than the thousands they are now.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Humberto Avila
> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:00 PM
> > To: shaneread at fastmail.fm ; jessbrl at fastmail.fm ; deniserob at gmail.com ;
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; GUI-talk at nfbnet.org ; villagers at gmail.com
> > Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of David Andrews
> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:03 PM
> > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
> >
> > Subject: Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
> >
> > http://www.indiegogo.com/Open-Source-Braille-Display
> >
> > The Story
> >
> > This project started earlier this year when I
> > read a local author's book of life as a Blind
> > person. After contacting him, I decided I could best help by
> > designing a simple device to make low-cost
> > Braille display from a computer possible.
> >
> > So Will It Change the World?
> >
> > I hope so - or I wouldn't be working on it!
> >
> > Braille is to the Blind as the written word is to
> > us sighted folk - and so Braille literacy is
> > vitally important. Yet according to Wikipedia, while in 1960
> > half of blind American schoolchildren could read
> > Braille, in 2007, that number had dropped to one
> > in ten. To improve literacy, we need to make available
> > more ways to access and learn Braille - and an
> > important one is a tool to allow the Blind to
> > read the vast amounts of information on the Internet.
> >
> > For many years, Braille readers have done just
> > that. A Braille reader takes computer text and
> > turns it into tactile impressions of Braille characters for
> > the blind to 'read'. However, these devices are
> > expensive - thousands of dollars - and so few can
> > afford them. The goal of this project is to make an Open
> > Source/Open Hardware Braille reader: simpler,
> > easy to build, well documented, and inexpensive,
> > so people anywhere can make it themselves (or get it made
> > locally).
> >
> > But there's a second goal: to get people doing
> > more. This design is meant to be simple and cheap
> > to build. My hope is other, smarter people will step in
> > and build better, faster, and more powerful
> > devices. But nobody is doing it now, and so
> > someone has to start the ball rolling.
> >
> > With your help, this will be that ball...
> >
> > What You Can Do
> >
> > The goal is to get from the current first
> > prototype to a finished design for a 40-character
> > Braille display, complete with software, and all the details
> > people need to build it, placed online. To that
> > end, here's some of the things needed:
> > list of 4 items
> > . Small CNC machine (build or buy), to do faster
> > turnaround of prototype parts.
> > . Purchase a selection of stepper motors and
> > driver boards, to test different
> > price/performance ratios for the Braille display design.
> > . Get a low-cost netbook to prototype the exact
> > software to run a device (netbook rather than a
> > full computer so as to test the device in the most likely
> > 'real world' situation).
> > . Materials! Prototypes use up a lot of material,
> > as a part can get tweaked many times, each time requiring a new piece cut
> > out.
> > list end
> >
> > Make no mistake - the project IS going ahead,
> > whether a little or a lot of money comes in - the
> > difference is just the speed things happen! So when this
> > project is out there making the difference I hope
> > it will, ask yourself how good it will feel to
> > say 'I helped with that' - and please contribute!
> >
> > Any level is appreciated, and there's some 'thank
> > yous' listed on the right side of this page to show appreciate 
> for your aid.
> >
> > Progress will be discussed on my blog,
> > http://UtopiaMechanicus.com,
> > and designs will be made available there as they
> > are finished. All code and design will also be
> > made available for download, allowing people to make or
> > modify these products.
> >
> > What (Else) You Can Do
> >
> > Tell the world - the more people that know of
> > this project, the greater impact we can make.
> > Blog about it, tweet away, link to it, talk about it at work.
> > And please share this information with everyone and anyone.
> >
> > Thank You.



From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan  1 03:55:44 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:55:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
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I'm supporting him.
Please have the individual E-mail me, so I can have him advertise on
the new station.
He needs to have all the help he can get.
Blessings, Joshua

On 12/31/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> The proposal mentions 40 cells.
>
> Dave
>
> At 07:35 PM 12/31/2011, you wrote:
>>Hopefully he'll get it.
>>I'd like to know how many cells he's going to have on it, though.
>>Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>On 12/31/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>> > If you actually read the message3 you would have seen that there is
>> > not yet a Braille display.  The guy has some ideas and is looking for
>> > funding.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > At 06:44 PM 12/31/2011, you wrote:
>> >>How many cells are on this new Braille display?
>> >>Also, why do the current ones cost so much?
>> >>That's like the IBill!
>> >>The IBill is small, but it costs $100.
>> >>It's the size of a Giga-pet, like I got as a child.
>> >>I only paid $5, for the giga-pet, but they expect me to pay $100 for
>> >>something, the same size!
>> >>Wow!
>> >>They should price things by size.
>> >>Blessings, Joshua
>> >>
>> >>On 12/31/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> > wonder when it will be ready for sale. I'd like braille displays to
>> >> > be
>> >> > more
>> >> > affordable. Even $500 would be better than the thousands they are
>> >> > now.
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Humberto Avila
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:00 PM
>> >> > To: shaneread at fastmail.fm ; jessbrl at fastmail.fm ; deniserob at gmail.com
>> >> > ;
>> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; GUI-talk at nfbnet.org ; villagers at gmail.com
>> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display --
>> >> > IndieGoGo
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >> > [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >> > On
>> >> > Behalf Of David Andrews
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:03 PM
>> >> > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>> >> > Subject: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>> >> >
>> >> > Subject: Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.indiegogo.com/Open-Source-Braille-Display
>> >> >
>> >> > The Story
>> >> >
>> >> > This project started earlier this year when I
>> >> > read a local author's book of life as a Blind
>> >> > person. After contacting him, I decided I could best help by
>> >> > designing a simple device to make low-cost
>> >> > Braille display from a computer possible.
>> >> >
>> >> > So Will It Change the World?
>> >> >
>> >> > I hope so - or I wouldn't be working on it!
>> >> >
>> >> > Braille is to the Blind as the written word is to
>> >> > us sighted folk - and so Braille literacy is
>> >> > vitally important. Yet according to Wikipedia, while in 1960
>> >> > half of blind American schoolchildren could read
>> >> > Braille, in 2007, that number had dropped to one
>> >> > in ten. To improve literacy, we need to make available
>> >> > more ways to access and learn Braille - and an
>> >> > important one is a tool to allow the Blind to
>> >> > read the vast amounts of information on the Internet.
>> >> >
>> >> > For many years, Braille readers have done just
>> >> > that. A Braille reader takes computer text and
>> >> > turns it into tactile impressions of Braille characters for
>> >> > the blind to 'read'. However, these devices are
>> >> > expensive - thousands of dollars - and so few can
>> >> > afford them. The goal of this project is to make an Open
>> >> > Source/Open Hardware Braille reader: simpler,
>> >> > easy to build, well documented, and inexpensive,
>> >> > so people anywhere can make it themselves (or get it made
>> >> > locally).
>> >> >
>> >> > But there's a second goal: to get people doing
>> >> > more. This design is meant to be simple and cheap
>> >> > to build. My hope is other, smarter people will step in
>> >> > and build better, faster, and more powerful
>> >> > devices. But nobody is doing it now, and so
>> >> > someone has to start the ball rolling.
>> >> >
>> >> > With your help, this will be that ball...
>> >> >
>> >> > What You Can Do
>> >> >
>> >> > The goal is to get from the current first
>> >> > prototype to a finished design for a 40-character
>> >> > Braille display, complete with software, and all the details
>> >> > people need to build it, placed online. To that
>> >> > end, here's some of the things needed:
>> >> > list of 4 items
>> >> > . Small CNC machine (build or buy), to do faster
>> >> > turnaround of prototype parts.
>> >> > . Purchase a selection of stepper motors and
>> >> > driver boards, to test different
>> >> > price/performance ratios for the Braille display design.
>> >> > . Get a low-cost netbook to prototype the exact
>> >> > software to run a device (netbook rather than a
>> >> > full computer so as to test the device in the most likely
>> >> > 'real world' situation).
>> >> > . Materials! Prototypes use up a lot of material,
>> >> > as a part can get tweaked many times, each time requiring a new piece
>> >> > cut
>> >> > out.
>> >> > list end
>> >> >
>> >> > Make no mistake - the project IS going ahead,
>> >> > whether a little or a lot of money comes in - the
>> >> > difference is just the speed things happen! So when this
>> >> > project is out there making the difference I hope
>> >> > it will, ask yourself how good it will feel to
>> >> > say 'I helped with that' - and please contribute!
>> >> >
>> >> > Any level is appreciated, and there's some 'thank
>> >> > yous' listed on the right side of this page to show appreciate
>> >> for your aid.
>> >> >
>> >> > Progress will be discussed on my blog,
>> >> > http://UtopiaMechanicus.com,
>> >> > and designs will be made available there as they
>> >> > are finished. All code and design will also be
>> >> > made available for download, allowing people to make or
>> >> > modify these products.
>> >> >
>> >> > What (Else) You Can Do
>> >> >
>> >> > Tell the world - the more people that know of
>> >> > this project, the greater impact we can make.
>> >> > Blog about it, tweet away, link to it, talk about it at work.
>> >> > And please share this information with everyone and anyone.
>
>
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From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 23:43:16 -0700
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Ashley,
  If you're saying these things about touch screens without any actual
experience, I'd highly suggest giving the touch screen a shot anyway.
I have an IPhone 4s (lots more complicated than an iPod nano), and I
don't really have to know where icons are on the screen.  Just
flicking from right to left moves you through a list of icons, much
like the arrow keys move you through a jaws menu, and when you double
tap to open the icon you don't even have to be touching it.  That
works about 95 percent of the time for me on my iPhone, and judging by
what people are saying about the nano that's all you'd ever need.  If
you've already tried the touch screen and found it lacking, feel free
to ignore everything I just said, but I really think it's silly to
knock something you've not personally used.  I thought touch screens
would be totally impractical, for the same reasons you mentioned,
before I actually decided to give it a shot and see what they were
like.  Just a thought.
  All the best and happy new year,
Kirt

On 12/31/11, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
> It does have a screen you need to see. It's basically a larger version
> of the nano 5th generation that Chris described, but it doesn't talk.
> Buy a nano! If you end up hating it just blame it on me :)!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 1, 2012, at 1:17 AM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> but does the classic have a screen you need to see? If it only has buttons
>> that would be usable.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ignasi Cambra
>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:07 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>
>> The iPod classic does not have VoiceIver. If you need an accessible
>> music player get a nano. You will love the thing, really!!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris,
>>> It sounds like your fifth generation is not touch screen and the sixth
>>> generation is. That is why I'm hearing different stories from different
>>> people. No one mentioned the classic. Is ipod classic touch screen? How
>>> does
>>> it operate? Does it have voice over?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:23 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Oh, so that must be the touch screen one.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>> nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>>> 1968-1986
>>>
>>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>>> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>>> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions
>>> which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more
>>> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit
>>> us online at www.icanfoundation.info!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Aubrie Lucas" <aubielynn at gmail.com
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:06:25 -0900
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> The Sixth Generation.  It was released in September of last year.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:03 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> It must be.  I thought the 5th generation was pretty new, but I
>>> guess I was
>>> wrong.  What is the latest Nano model?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real
>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a
>>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>>> can be
>>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>>> 1968-1986
>>>
>>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>>> in
>>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>>> assistive
>>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
>>> them be
>>> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
>>> Foundation
>>> and to support our work, visit us online at
>>> www.icanfoundation.info!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:00:13 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I checked online.  The Ipod nano must be a touch screen.  Chris,
>>> yours with
>>> the touch wheel and buttons must be older.
>>> The description said
>>> Getting where you want to go is simple on iPod nano.  The large
>>> icons make
>>> scrolling and tapping to get to your favorite music, workout,
>>> radio
>>> station, or clock face easy.  View icons one at a time, or
>>> display four
>>> icons on each screen.  And you can change the order of the icons
>>> to find
>>> your stuff fast.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ashley-----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:59 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Good idea.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real
>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a
>>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>>> can be
>>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>>> 1968-1986
>>>
>>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>>> in
>>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>>> assistive
>>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
>>> them be
>>> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
>>> Foundation
>>> and to support our work, visit us online at
>>> www.icanfoundation.info!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:41:54 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>> The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple.  I don't want
>>> a touch
>>> screen.  So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the
>>> shuffle.
>>> You say yours is a fifth generation.  I'll see if that is still
>>> sold.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>
>>> The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real
>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a
>>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>>> can be
>>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>>> 1968-1986
>>>
>>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>>> in
>>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>>> assistive
>>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
>>> them be
>>> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
>>> Foundation
>>> and to support our work, visit us online at
>>> www.icanfoundation.info!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>> You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb  size;
>>> maybe four or
>>> six gb would do for me.
>>> Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone
>>> keypad? On the
>>> shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button.
>>> Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much
>>> and do
>>> gestures, maybe I could learn the nano.
>>> I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape.  I've also used
>>> the clock
>>> face reference to learn button functions.  Yes the  ipod shuffle
>>> is old.
>>> So next one will be a shuffle or a nano.
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>
>>> Here are some answers to your questions:
>>>
>>> * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's
>>> come in a
>>> lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano.  There are 16 gig models
>>> too.
>>>
>>> * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in,
>>> to the
>>> best of my knowledge.  It might have started with the 1st
>>> generation Nano,
>>> though; I can't remember.
>>>
>>> * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination
>>> of a
>>> touch screen and buttons.  However, you can't really tell that
>>> they are
>>> buttons at first because they're not very raised, so it looks
>>> like a touch
>>> screen.  To fix this problem, I put Wiki sticks on each button to
>>> raise
>>> them, and had a sighted person help me learn which button did
>>> what.  I then
>>> used the clock-face technique to learn it.  On the Nano, the
>>> button at: 12
>>> o'clock is the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an
>>> album or go
>>> to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is
>>> in shuffle
>>> mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock is the go
>>> back button,
>>> and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to the previous menu.)
>>> The button
>>> in the middle of the circle where all the buttons are is the "OK"
>>> or
>>> "select" button.  If you are hearing a song and you want to know
>>> the title
>>> and artist of the song that is playing, just hit the center
>>> button and
>>> VoiceOver will tell you.  You may have to do this twice.  And if
>>> you shake
>>> the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to
>>> shuffle"
>>> feature.  The only time you will need to use a touchscreen-like
>>> gesture is
>>> when you are in a menu.  Just a little flick (1 finger) forward
>>> will move
>>> you to the next item in the menu; a flick back will move you to
>>> the
>>> previous item in the menu.  When you get to the item you want,
>>> hit the
>>> center button.
>>>
>>> If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me
>>> know!
>>> Hope this helps!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real
>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a
>>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>>> can be
>>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
>>> 1968-1986
>>>
>>> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
>>> in
>>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
>>> assistive
>>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help
>>> them be
>>> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
>>> Foundation
>>> and to support our work, visit us online at
>>> www.icanfoundation.info!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with
>>> that
>>> talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that was a
>>> present
>>> to me a few years ago.
>>> What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1
>>> gig, which
>>> I?셫 discovering is not big enough!
>>> I?셫 not interested in a touch screen device because I think it
>>> would be
>>> too easy to press the wrong thing.  Are any ipods screen based
>>> but not a
>>> touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch screen, but not
>>> sure.
>>>
>>> Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation
>>> ability
>>> with them? By chapter?
>>> I might get an ipod again  with a bigger memory capacity and
>>> wondered my
>>> options.  I like the shuffle because its small and simple to use;
>>> few
>>> buttons.  So I might stick with that.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 15:34:35 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 10:34:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods
Message-ID: <4f007d28.4abee00a.712c.3967@mx.google.com>

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 16:09:14 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:09:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] happy new year!
Message-ID: <4f008547.c3c5e00a.1b08.ffffcb48@mx.google.com>

Hi everyone,

I'm just writing to wish everybody a very happy 2012!! I hope you 
all had a great time last night, as I did, and that 2012 is a 
great year for you! Again, happy new year!

Chris

Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 
1968-1986

 The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth 
in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing 
assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions 
which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more 
information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit 
us online at www.icanfoundation.info!


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  1 16:46:29 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:46:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] happy new year!
In-Reply-To: <4f008547.c3c5e00a.1b08.ffffcb48@mx.google.com>
References: <4f008547.c3c5e00a.1b08.ffffcb48@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5B260647B9324F268AFCB51A2C2AAF36@OwnerPC>

happy new year too!

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 11:09 AM
To: NFB Blind Talk list ; nfb-talk at nfbnet.org ; NFB NABS list ; NFBMD list ; 
BrailleNote list ; Stream Users list ; Main Menu Friends list ; ACB Radio 
Friends list
Subject: [nabs-l] happy new year!

Hi everyone,

I'm just writing to wish everybody a very happy 2012!! I hope you
all had a great time last night, as I did, and that 2012 is a
great year for you! Again, happy new year!

Chris

Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
1968-1986

The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions
which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more
information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit
us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

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From isaac.hebert at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 23:09:17 2012
From: isaac.hebert at gmail.com (Isaac)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:09:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 63, Issue 2
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References: <mailman.11.1325440804.30594.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <00c401ccc8da$638cf670$2aa6e350$@gmail.com>

Happy new year to you all I 
-am looking forward to a great year.----Original Message-----
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:09:14 -0500
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: NFB Blind Talk list <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, nfb-talk at nfbnet.org,
	NFB NABS list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, NFBMD list <nfbmd at nfbnet.org>,
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Subject: [nabs-l] happy new year!
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi everyone,

I'm just writing to wish everybody a very happy 2012!! I hope you all had a
great time last night, as I did, and that 2012 is a great year for you!
Again, happy new year!

Chris

Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
1968-1986

 The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in
Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive
technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be
equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the Foundation
and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info!



------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:46:29 -0500
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] happy new year!
Message-ID: <5B260647B9324F268AFCB51A2C2AAF36 at OwnerPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=response

happy new year too!

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 11:09 AM
To: NFB Blind Talk list ; nfb-talk at nfbnet.org ; NFB NABS list ; NFBMD list ;
BrailleNote list ; Stream Users list ; Main Menu Friends list ; ACB Radio
Friends list
Subject: [nabs-l] happy new year!

Hi everyone,

I'm just writing to wish everybody a very happy 2012!! I hope you all had a
great time last night, as I did, and that 2012 is a great year for you!
Again, happy new year!

Chris

Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
1968-1986

The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland
say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and
scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their
sighted peers.  For more information about the Foundation and to support our
work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Jan  2 00:24:31 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:24:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Ring In The New Year With A Count Down Prizes And More
	On	Audio Access FM
In-Reply-To: <491604BD849D4C418F446C899C22E141@AudioShockWave>
References: <491604BD849D4C418F446C899C22E141@AudioShockWave>
Message-ID: <00e901ccc8e4$e5e74760$b1b5d620$@comcast.net>

Dear david,

I'm sorry that I missed all of the festivities for last night's
party on audio access fm but, I'm soooo glad that you are going
to replay this countdown tonight. I will be definitely listening
in. btw, will be able to win the prizes tonight like I could've
last night or, was that only for the new year's celebration?
Also, can I interact with you during tonight's program like I
would've last night like I can tonight?

Well, my dear that's all for now take care and, I hope that you
and beth have a happy new year!




Hugs always,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Ring In The New Year With A Count Down Prizes
And More On Audio Access FM

Greetings, And Happy New Year Everybody!

If you're planning on a small New Years eve with a small group of
family or friends, then let Audio Access FM be part of your
celebration, starting with tonight's exciting music count down at
5:30PM eastern that could win you a gift card to your favorite
restaurant!!!
Most people expect to receive gifts during Christmas, and most
expect to exchange them during Christmas.

But when can you say you got a New Years gift too?

Well, don't look now, but Audio Access FM presents for you twice
this weekend two chances for you to come away with a gift card to
a restaurant of your choice! 

Join me, Djd, for my special year end look at The Top 30 Songs of
2011, as reported by billboard.com.
The show will air twice: Once today December 31 at 5:30 PM
eastern, and again January 1 at 9 PM eastern.
If you're a music lover, you'll love our tour of this year's best
hits in the hot adult contemporary genre. Hear the songs I think
may make it big next year; and, by helping us out, you'll be put
in a drawing to win a 50 dollar gift card to either a restaurant
of your choice or to the Chese Cake Factory, with one or two
smaller prizes thrown in for good measure too!
You can enter in once per show. So pick which show you want to
hear and follow the instructions given to maybe get lucky and
have a New Years holiday present to share with a loved one or
special friend!

So, to find out if your favorite song made the cut this year,
save this email, and at 5:30PM eastern tonight, point and click
over to
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php
and join me, for our exciting New Years year end review.

But that's not all!
At 9 PM eastern, help me ring in the New Year with the folks at
The MyTVLand Portal
http://www.mytvland.net
We'll be teaming up with them to bring you some music, and some
other unique surprises that you're sure to love. Watch television
and radio go hand in hand as we throw you a little New Years
Party!
Oh, and did I mention you can be part of the party? During the
party, send any requests/shoutouts/what ever to
interact at audioaccessfm.com
skype in to
audio.accessfm
or call in by phone at
516 324 2314

That'll begin at 9 PM eastern on Audio Access FM!
Again, the link to be part of the New Years Eve events is at
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php
starting at 5:30PM eastern with the year end countdown!
So tell your friends, and let's have some fun to ring in the new
year!
>From David
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Jan  2 00:29:57 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:29:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] happy new year!
In-Reply-To: <4f008547.c3c5e00a.1b08.ffffcb48@mx.google.com>
References: <4f008547.c3c5e00a.1b08.ffffcb48@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <00f001ccc8e5$a7fbe130$f7f3a390$@comcast.net>

Hello chris,

I too also want to wish you and everyone else here in nabs land a
happy new year too! I hope that it's a wonderful year! Since 2011
was bad for me but, I'm going to make 2012 an awesome one!

Take care and, I will talk to you soon.




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 9:09 AM
To: NFB Blind Talk list; nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; NFB NABS list;
NFBMD list; BrailleNote list; Stream Users list; Main Menu
Friends list; ACB Radio Friends list
Subject: [nabs-l] happy new year!

Hi everyone,

I'm just writing to wish everybody a very happy 2012!! I hope you

all had a great time last night, as I did, and that 2012 is a 
great year for you! Again, happy new year!

Chris

Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,

1968-1986

 The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth

in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing 
assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions 
which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more 
information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit 
us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 02:36:21 2012
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:36:21 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] happy new year!
In-Reply-To: <00f001ccc8e5$a7fbe130$f7f3a390$@comcast.net>
References: <4f008547.c3c5e00a.1b08.ffffcb48@mx.google.com>
	<00f001ccc8e5$a7fbe130$f7f3a390$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8A83C63699B24F1D8CF7A2D99F626105@HUMBERTOAVILA>

Hello students, I wish you a very happy and great new year full of health
and success! As 2012 transitions on to our lives, we should think about our
lives and walk through our lives thinking about our potential, not our
flaws. We should think about our determination to succeed, not our failures!
Because, indeed, we will succeed even better in 2012! 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Amy Sabo
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 4:30 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] happy new year!

Hello chris,

I too also want to wish you and everyone else here in nabs land a
happy new year too! I hope that it's a wonderful year! Since 2011
was bad for me but, I'm going to make 2012 an awesome one!

Take care and, I will talk to you soon.




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 9:09 AM
To: NFB Blind Talk list; nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; NFB NABS list;
NFBMD list; BrailleNote list; Stream Users list; Main Menu
Friends list; ACB Radio Friends list
Subject: [nabs-l] happy new year!

Hi everyone,

I'm just writing to wish everybody a very happy 2012!! I hope you

all had a great time last night, as I did, and that 2012 is a 
great year for you! Again, happy new year!

Chris

Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,

1968-1986

 The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth

in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing 
assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions 
which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more 
information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit 
us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 16:55:21 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:55:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] happy new year!
Message-ID: <4f01e198.c9bee00a.7177.ffffc48d@mx.google.com>

Love the pep talk, Humberto! You are indeed one of our 
motivational speakers, or should I say, writers! :) Happy new 
year!

Chris

Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 
1968-1986

 The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth 
in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing 
assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions 
which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more 
information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit 
us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:36:21 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] happy new year!

Hello students, I wish you a very happy and great new year full 
of health
and success! As 2012 transitions on to our lives, we should think 
about our
lives and walk through our lives thinking about our potential, 
not our
flaws.  We should think about our determination to succeed, not 
our failures!
Because, indeed, we will succeed even better in 2012!

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Amy Sabo
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 4:30 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] happy new year!

Hello chris,

I too also want to wish you and everyone else here in nabs land a
happy new year too! I hope that it's a wonderful year! Since 2011
was bad for me but, I'm going to make 2012 an awesome one!

Take care and, I will talk to you soon.




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 9:09 AM
To: NFB Blind Talk list; nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; NFB NABS list;
NFBMD list; BrailleNote list; Stream Users list; Main Menu
Friends list; ACB Radio Friends list
Subject: [nabs-l] happy new year!

Hi everyone,

I'm just writing to wish everybody a very happy 2012!! I hope you

all had a great time last night, as I did, and that 2012 is a
great year for you! Again, happy new year!

Chris

Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,

1968-1986

 The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth

in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions
which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more
information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit
us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 16:55:20 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:55:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] happy new year!
Message-ID: <4f01e196.c9bee00a.7177.ffffc48b@mx.google.com>

I'm sorry that 2011 was a bad year for you, but I hope 2012 is a 
lot better! Happy new year!!

Chris

Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 
1968-1986

 The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth 
in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing 
assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions 
which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more 
information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit 
us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:29:57 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] happy new year!

Hello chris,

I too also want to wish you and everyone else here in nabs land a
happy new year too! I hope that it's a wonderful year! Since 2011
was bad for me but, I'm going to make 2012 an awesome one!

Take care and, I will talk to you soon.




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 9:09 AM
To: NFB Blind Talk list; nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; NFB NABS list;
NFBMD list; BrailleNote list; Stream Users list; Main Menu
Friends list; ACB Radio Friends list
Subject: [nabs-l] happy new year!

Hi everyone,

I'm just writing to wish everybody a very happy 2012!! I hope you

all had a great time last night, as I did, and that 2012 is a
great year for you! Again, happy new year!

Chris

Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,

1968-1986

 The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth

in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions
which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more
information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit
us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 18:22:51 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:22:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email
References: <4EFF4008.3020808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <97F15509A2EB467EB27A5A5F415E644D@Gloria>

Hi I use outlook express ad fid it works great
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Antonio Guimaraes" <freethaught at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:02 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email


> Hello,
>
> I'm wondering how some of you find a way to manage email most effectively. 
> What one program do you find fits most of your needs?
>
> I find myself using Thunderbird on a windows XP machine, and 2 windows 7 
> setups.
>
> I have outlook express on the XP machine, and use Mac OS mail program at 
> times.
>
> I have the option to use Outlook 2000 and Outlook 2007, but I remember not 
> liking Outlook for one reason or another. I would set it up with my gmail 
> accounts to see what added features I can get out of the 2007 one, since 
> it is newer and bound to be more feature-rich.
>
> I often mail from the iPhone.
>
> This almost infinit number of options is daunting since each program sorts 
> messages differently, has its own addressbook, and so on.
>
> I have yet to be able to find out how I can purchase a Microsoft Exchange 
> account which may be the most logical solution to my problem. Quite 
> frankly I've only gotten general information and instruction on setting 
> one up.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Antonio
>
>
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 18:31:50 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:31:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: writing in to ask you to vote against this
Message-ID: <4f01f835.0849e00a.4172.5226@mx.google.com>

This comes from a friend of mine.  Please help stop this bill 
from passing!

 ---- Original Message ------
From: Timothy Clark Music <black59cash at aim.com
Subject: This is Timothy Clark Writing in to ask you to vote 
against this
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 00:23:24 -0500

Hello -
 I usually don't do chain emails but this is bad enough for me to 
do one.
 This week congress will pass a bill that will let them censer us 
and track what sights we go to and everything we do on the web if 
we don't write into congress and ask our local congress 
representative to vote against this.
 This bill is unconstitutional on so many different levels that I 
could list at least 5 reasons to vote against this but I'm sure 
you can think of more then a few yourself.
 Here is an online sight that will send a letter to congress.  
http://americancensorship.org/posts/30887/share
 I'm sure you could also write into your local congress 
reprezentitive with a pen and paper if you wish as well but it's 
impairitive you do this before the end of the week as your letter 
could mean more then you think.
 I ask of all of you to do your part.
 This is even going to affect those outside of the USA.
 If you go to facebook or youtube, those are all sights from the 
USA.  I've got no doubt that you will not be able to do 
everything like you could before if this bill gets past.
 So, please, do your part.
 Timothy.


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 18:46:44 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:46:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email
Message-ID: <4f01fbb3.c9bee00a.7177.ffffd26b@mx.google.com>

What is the difference between Microsoft Outlook and Outlook 
Express? Which works better with JAWS?

Chris

Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 
1968-1986

 The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth 
in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing 
assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions 
which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more 
information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit 
us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
To: <freethaught at gmail.com>,"National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:22:51 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email

Hi I use outlook express ad fid it works great
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antonio Guimaraes" <freethaught at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:02 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email


 Hello,

 I'm wondering how some of you find a way to manage email most 
effectively.
 What one program do you find fits most of your needs?

 I find myself using Thunderbird on a windows XP machine, and 2 
windows 7
 setups.

 I have outlook express on the XP machine, and use Mac OS mail 
program at
 times.

 I have the option to use Outlook 2000 and Outlook 2007, but I 
remember not
 liking Outlook for one reason or another.  I would set it up 
with my gmail
 accounts to see what added features I can get out of the 2007 
one, since
 it is newer and bound to be more feature-rich.

 I often mail from the iPhone.

 This almost infinit number of options is daunting since each 
program sorts
 messages differently, has its own addressbook, and so on.

 I have yet to be able to find out how I can purchase a Microsoft 
Exchange
 account which may be the most logical solution to my problem.  
Quite
 frankly I've only gotten general information and instruction on 
setting
 one up.

 Any thoughts?

 Antonio



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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  2 19:35:05 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:35:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email
In-Reply-To: <4f01fbb3.c9bee00a.7177.ffffd26b@mx.google.com>
References: <4f01fbb3.c9bee00a.7177.ffffd26b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5F3DC098EDD94B99B2F79EDCB97DA1B8@OwnerPC>

outlook express does not exist anymore, sadly. They are different programs. 
Outlook is used in work settings a lot.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 1:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email

What is the difference between Microsoft Outlook and Outlook
Express? Which works better with JAWS?

Chris

Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
1968-1986

The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions
which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more
information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit
us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
To: <freethaught at gmail.com>,"National Association of Blind
Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:22:51 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email

Hi I use outlook express ad fid it works great
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antonio Guimaraes" <freethaught at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:02 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email


Hello,

I'm wondering how some of you find a way to manage email most
effectively.
What one program do you find fits most of your needs?

I find myself using Thunderbird on a windows XP machine, and 2
windows 7
setups.

I have outlook express on the XP machine, and use Mac OS mail
program at
times.

I have the option to use Outlook 2000 and Outlook 2007, but I
remember not
liking Outlook for one reason or another.  I would set it up
with my gmail
accounts to see what added features I can get out of the 2007
one, since
it is newer and bound to be more feature-rich.

I often mail from the iPhone.

This almost infinit number of options is daunting since each
program sorts
messages differently, has its own addressbook, and so on.

I have yet to be able to find out how I can purchase a Microsoft
Exchange
account which may be the most logical solution to my problem.
Quite
frankly I've only gotten general information and instruction on
setting
one up.

Any thoughts?

Antonio



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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 22:36:14 2012
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:36:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The 2012 Premiere Of The Djd Invasion And A Pop Tops
	Special To Air Tonight On Audio Access FM
Message-ID: <72E5EBFCA21348AFB8C9DF93B3B30CC3@pc2011>

Hi Everyone!
The new year has arrived, annd the 2012 Debut Of The Djd Invasion airs tonight.
Join me at 7 PM eastern for tonight's eclectic Djd Invasion show, featuring everything from pop to country to oldies and more.
Your interactionons and requesst wll help make the night interesting and fun. Also, learn about the new Entertainment Vault show that will be airing, along with two other shows I know you are probably familiar with that may be coming to the station.
All this, plus all your requests, which you can make by email at
interact at audioaccessfm.com
via skype at
audio.accessfm
or by phone by dialing
516-324-2314

Then at 10 PM eastern, we'll be bringing you a Pop Tops Special: Happy New Year!
On this special, we'll be hearing songs that were number 1 on the charts during New Years Days past. This should have aired earlier, but a technical difficulty prevented this from happening. So the special begins after tonight's Djd Invasion show.
To listen to tonight's invasion or Pop Tops Special, tune in starting at 7 PM eastern or at any time after to
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php
to tune in!
Hope to see you there for the premiere in 2012 of The Djd Invasion and Pop Tops!
>From David

From marrie12 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 00:43:35 2012
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:43:35 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Ring in the new year with tcjwb on wics radio
Message-ID: <82B5E765-7E4B-477F-91FB-69D1E6B06D8B@gmail.com>

Hello. Today is the first tcjwb on the new and improved wics internet community station. I hope you will all tune in. Sorry this is getting to you late.

We will be hearing a lot of Russian music since I really did not do that this year. I was going to play the myster sound track but I seem to have mis placed it. So we are traveling to the other side of the world, well sort of. Join me for some fun and excitement.

Info is below. 

place: http://listen.ultrastreams.us:8022/stream.m3u
time: monday from 9-11 pm eastern, 8-10 pm central, 7-9 mountain, and 6-8 pm Pacific

contact info
show twitter: http://twitter.com/tcjwb
station twitter: http://twitter.com/wicsradio. 

If you need to contact me off air  contact me here.
http://marrie.org/contact.php
or here.
http://twitter.com/marrie1
See you there.


From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 00:54:23 2012
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:54:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ring in the new year with tcjwb on wics radio
References: <82B5E765-7E4B-477F-91FB-69D1E6B06D8B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09AEAFBCD3CA4D09AA3E5CC269E01262@hometwxakonvzn>

Good station! RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Alawami" <marrie12 at gmail.com>
To: "nabs discussion list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Ring in the new year with tcjwb on wics radio


> Hello. Today is the first tcjwb on the new and improved wics internet 
> community station. I hope you will all tune in. Sorry this is getting to 
> you late.
>
> We will be hearing a lot of Russian music since I really did not do that 
> this year. I was going to play the myster sound track but I seem to have 
> mis placed it. So we are traveling to the other side of the world, well 
> sort of. Join me for some fun and excitement.
>
> Info is below.
>
> place: http://listen.ultrastreams.us:8022/stream.m3u
> time: monday from 9-11 pm eastern, 8-10 pm central, 7-9 mountain, and 6-8 
> pm Pacific
>
> contact info
> show twitter: http://twitter.com/tcjwb
> station twitter: http://twitter.com/wicsradio.
>
> If you need to contact me off air  contact me here.
> http://marrie.org/contact.php
> or here.
> http://twitter.com/marrie1
> See you there.
>
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 01:35:04 2012
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:35:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4F025B48.3060807@gmail.com>

Dear NABS members,

It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download 
features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services 
we've come to know in previous years.

Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their 
new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You 
Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like 
you for some feedback.

There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's 
download features.

I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come 
up against issues with the download service.

The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access 
from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing 
access to recorded texts for blind users.

Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and 
hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on 
Learning Ally's part.

Sincerely,

Antonio Guimaraes





From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  3 01:45:40 2012
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:45:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <4F025B48.3060807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1325555140.91042.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I totally agree with you Antonio. Although I have not personally tried the new Learning Ally webcite, but I have heard of problems with the cite from my friends. Perhaps this is a battle that not just NABS should take up, but the NFB as an organization. There is know reason that an organization like the Learning Ally should be not friendly to its main clients "blind students".

I hope this problem can be resolved soon.

Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Mon, 1/2/12, Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Monday, January 2, 2012, 7:35 PM
> Dear NABS members,
> 
> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally
> download features fall short of offering blind screen reader
> users the services we've come to know in previous years.
> 
> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying
> to use their new and improved program for downloads. I have
> listened to their You Tube video explaining the process, and
> then reached out to people like you for some feedback.
> 
> There are several reports that blind readers can not use
> Learning Ally's download features.
> 
> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you
> too have come up against issues with the download service.
> 
> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack
> of access from an organization that has long been at the
> forefront in providing access to recorded texts for blind
> users.
> 
> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported
> issues, and hopefully result in rectifying what must
> certainly be an oversight on Learning Ally's part.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Antonio Guimaraes
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  3 01:53:17 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:53:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <4F025B48.3060807@gmail.com>
References: <4F025B48.3060807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DE9DED31836C4356972C7550377BB5EE@OwnerPC>

Antonio,
What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the 
download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed it. 
I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd 
player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer 
offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more 
probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it works! 
Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is IMO 
easy to use and simple.

Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus, which 
both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like nls 
and learning ally.

I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With changing 
their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning 
disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically correct 
purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people have 
depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them forget 
us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating something is 
not accessible won't help.

Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex 
organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main page 
and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore 
without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the same 
or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
frustrated,
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Antonio Guimaraes
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Dear NABS members,

It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
we've come to know in previous years.

Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
you for some feedback.

There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
download features.

I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
up against issues with the download service.

The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
access to recorded texts for blind users.

Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
Learning Ally's part.

Sincerely,

Antonio Guimaraes




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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan  3 02:02:56 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:02:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <DE9DED31836C4356972C7550377BB5EE@OwnerPC>
References: <4F025B48.3060807@gmail.com>
	<DE9DED31836C4356972C7550377BB5EE@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOt8cJSDgK+84zdhcwWkLHiUPqreKyOQ7m=j2pL3OtWtEw@mail.gmail.com>

Wow!
I still use the CD player for my classes.
I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Antonio,
> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed it.
> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it works!
> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is IMO
> easy to use and simple.
>
> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus, which
> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like nls
> and learning ally.
>
> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With changing
> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically correct
> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people have
> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them forget
> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating something is
> not accessible won't help.
>
> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main page
> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the same
> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
> frustrated,
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Guimaraes
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Dear NABS members,
>
> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
> we've come to know in previous years.
>
> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
> you for some feedback.
>
> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
> download features.
>
> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
> up against issues with the download service.
>
> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>
> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
> Learning Ally's part.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 02:33:29 2012
From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:33:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOt8cJSDgK+84zdhcwWkLHiUPqreKyOQ7m=j2pL3OtWtEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F025B48.3060807@gmail.com>
	<DE9DED31836C4356972C7550377BB5EE@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOt8cJSDgK+84zdhcwWkLHiUPqreKyOQ7m=j2pL3OtWtEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN+-G_C4Bf1gb5ozsvRJUanvg3DcWXuLxgAD4HuLfR8o_Y+KKw@mail.gmail.com>

Joshua,
E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream. It's
really quite simple.
Patrick

On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Wow!
> I still use the CD player for my classes.
> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Antonio,
>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>> it.
>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>> works!
>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is IMO
>> easy to use and simple.
>>
>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus, which
>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>> nls
>> and learning ally.
>>
>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>> changing
>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically correct
>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>> have
>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>> forget
>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating something
>> is
>> not accessible won't help.
>>
>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>> page
>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the same
>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>> frustrated,
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> Dear NABS members,
>>
>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>
>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>> you for some feedback.
>>
>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
>> download features.
>>
>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>> up against issues with the download service.
>>
>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>
>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>> Learning Ally's part.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>
>>
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>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan  3 02:45:02 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:45:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <CAN+-G_C4Bf1gb5ozsvRJUanvg3DcWXuLxgAD4HuLfR8o_Y+KKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F025B48.3060807@gmail.com>
	<DE9DED31836C4356972C7550377BB5EE@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOt8cJSDgK+84zdhcwWkLHiUPqreKyOQ7m=j2pL3OtWtEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN+-G_C4Bf1gb5ozsvRJUanvg3DcWXuLxgAD4HuLfR8o_Y+KKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOtoe0w0nR_E-gCh7zHDcFSXu9mNxHrFRyF2q46Yu2_H2Q@mail.gmail.com>

I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
I don't have any books for it, now.
I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream. It's
> really quite simple.
> Patrick
>
> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Wow!
>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Antonio,
>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>> it.
>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>> works!
>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>> IMO
>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>
>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>> which
>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>> nls
>>> and learning ally.
>>>
>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>> changing
>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>> correct
>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>> have
>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>> forget
>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating something
>>> is
>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>
>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>> page
>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>> same
>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>> frustrated,
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>
>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>
>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>> you for some feedback.
>>>
>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
>>> download features.
>>>
>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>
>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>
>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>
>>>
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>
>>
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From szybalski at GMAIL.COM  Tue Jan  3 03:23:53 2012
From: szybalski at GMAIL.COM (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:23:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Full Time Job for Information Technology Department At
	Unique Insurance Company
Message-ID: <CAKkTUv3kmpbBQnsvKwf7_AaD0FkuomzT+2OHP7nNPe1OV5SG8A@mail.gmail.com>


Full Time Job for Information Technology Department
At
Unique Insurance Company

Job Description: IT/Programmer

Unique Insurance Company is looking for a diverse skill set that will be used in our Information Technology Department. At Unique Insurance we sell personal and commercial auto insurance. We work with agents in 4 states and as a result we receive thousands of insurance policies a month. In order for us to maintain our technology set we need a person with diverse skills and positive outlook.

Unique Insurance is looking for a person that will be able to split their time between maintaining our services, developing new software set, and using your skills to improve efficiency.

Job duties will range from maintaining the PC's (Windows XP, Windows 7), maintain the servers (Win 2k, Win2k3, Win2K8, Debian Linux), testing new software functionality, gathering software requirements, create stored procedures, writing reports in Reporting Services, entering defects descriptions, maintaining and writing scripts in shell/python, converting files using tools that read/convert sql to and from flat files, csv, or xml files. We need your skills to bridge the gap between our current tool set and what users, clients, and agents expect from our insurance company.

We are looking for a person that is: smart, multitasking, precise, enjoys working with a lot of different software, and is able to program, and wants start applying his/her knowledge in a real life applications.

Candidates should possess “Computer Science” or “Math and Computer Science” degree. Candidate should know how to program and have at least 6 months previous programming experience.

Software you should be familiar with:
parse xml/csv/flat files, read and write to a database
Demonstrate a general proficiency with Linux operating systems, being able to use it on a daily basis.
Familiar with Windows XP/7 and Windows Server
Able to understand database structure and able to write stored procedures.
Basic economics/insurance understanding a plus.
python experience preferred ( sqlalchemy, familiar with working with web frameworks, xml/csv parsing)
Familiar with either C/C++, Java, Python, .Net

This is a full-time job, 401K and health insurance. Salary range from 40K-50K; commensurate with experience. 

Please email your resume to lszybalski at uniqueinsuranceco.com Please email few dates and time when you can take our basic entry level at home written test. US citizen/permanent resident only.
IT Manager: Lucas Szybalski, 773-299-7527

Unique Insurance,
4245 N. Knox Ave
Chicago IL, 60641
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From freethaught at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 03:41:32 2012
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:41:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email
In-Reply-To: <5F3DC098EDD94B99B2F79EDCB97DA1B8@OwnerPC>
References: <4f01fbb3.c9bee00a.7177.ffffd26b@mx.google.com>
	<5F3DC098EDD94B99B2F79EDCB97DA1B8@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <-6803836929144034925@unknownmsgid>

Outlook Express does not work on Windows 7.

My install on Windows XP forces me to open a message, close it, and
open gain before the message is loaded and ready to read.

Antonio

Antonio M Guimaraes Jr..

On Jan 2, 2012, at 14:36, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

> outlook express does not exist anymore, sadly. They are different programs. Outlook is used in work settings a lot.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 1:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email
>
> What is the difference between Microsoft Outlook and Outlook
> Express? Which works better with JAWS?
>
> Chris
>
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
> 1968-1986
>
> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions
> which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more
> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit
> us online at www.icanfoundation.info!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
> To: <freethaught at gmail.com>,"National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:22:51 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email
>
> Hi I use outlook express ad fid it works great
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Antonio Guimaraes" <freethaught at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:02 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] managing email
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm wondering how some of you find a way to manage email most
> effectively.
> What one program do you find fits most of your needs?
>
> I find myself using Thunderbird on a windows XP machine, and 2
> windows 7
> setups.
>
> I have outlook express on the XP machine, and use Mac OS mail
> program at
> times.
>
> I have the option to use Outlook 2000 and Outlook 2007, but I
> remember not
> liking Outlook for one reason or another.  I would set it up
> with my gmail
> accounts to see what added features I can get out of the 2007
> one, since
> it is newer and bound to be more feature-rich.
>
> I often mail from the iPhone.
>
> This almost infinit number of options is daunting since each
> program sorts
> messages differently, has its own addressbook, and so on.
>
> I have yet to be able to find out how I can purchase a Microsoft
> Exchange
> account which may be the most logical solution to my problem.
> Quite
> frankly I've only gotten general information and instruction on
> setting
> one up.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Antonio
>
>
>
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From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  3 04:08:45 2012
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:08:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email
In-Reply-To: <4EFF4008.3020808@gmail.com>
References: <4EFF4008.3020808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS19D20AA64B3A255CC8B620BA960@phx.gbl>

Hi,
    If you are looking to have a synchronized e-mail experience across
multiple devices/platforms, I would throw out the idea of setting your Gmail
up as an Imap instead of a Pop3, if not configured as such already. I myself
use Outlook 2007 on the Windows side and Apple Mail/Mail on the Mac/iOS
side.

Take care, and let me know if I can be of further help to answer other
questions. I hope that helps some.

Liz Bottner
Guiding Eyes Graduate Council
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e-mail: 
liziswhatis at hotmail.com 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Antonio Guimaraes
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:02 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email

Hello,

I'm wondering how some of you find a way to manage email most 
effectively. What one program do you find fits most of your needs?

I find myself using Thunderbird on a windows XP machine, and 2 windows 7 
setups.

I have outlook express on the XP machine, and use Mac OS mail program at 
times.

I have the option to use Outlook 2000 and Outlook 2007, but I remember 
not liking Outlook for one reason or another. I would set it up with my 
gmail accounts to see what added features I can get out of the 2007 one, 
since it is newer and bound to be more feature-rich.

I often mail from the iPhone.

This almost infinit number of options is daunting since each program 
sorts messages differently, has its own addressbook, and so on.

I have yet to be able to find out how I can purchase a Microsoft 
Exchange account which may be the most logical solution to my problem. 
Quite frankly I've only gotten general information and instruction on 
setting one up.

Any thoughts?

Antonio



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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Tue Jan  3 04:10:14 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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You don't have to have a book. It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT files.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


>I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
> I don't have any books for it, now.
> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream. It's
>> really quite simple.
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> Wow!
>>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Antonio,
>>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>>> it.
>>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a 
>>>> cd
>>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>>> works!
>>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>>> IMO
>>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>>
>>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>> which
>>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>>> nls
>>>> and learning ally.
>>>>
>>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>>> changing
>>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>> correct
>>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>>> have
>>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>>> forget
>>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating 
>>>> something
>>>> is
>>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>>
>>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>>> page
>>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>>> same
>>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>> frustrated,
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>
>>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>
>>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use 
>>>> their
>>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>>> you for some feedback.
>>>>
>>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning 
>>>> Ally's
>>>> download features.
>>>>
>>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>
>>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>
>>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From kobycox at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 04:14:29 2012
From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:14:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-DS19D20AA64B3A255CC8B620BA960@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EF97A0A678D74680BC18537120BCDA7C@OwnerPC>

Liz,
What type of iOS devices do you use?
Right back soon,
Koby.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Liz Bottner
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 10:09 PM
To: freethaught at gmail.com; 'National Association of Blind Students
mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email

Hi,
    If you are looking to have a synchronized e-mail experience across
multiple devices/platforms, I would throw out the idea of setting your
Gmail
up as an Imap instead of a Pop3, if not configured as such already. I
myself
use Outlook 2007 on the Windows side and Apple Mail/Mail on the Mac/iOS
side.

Take care, and let me know if I can be of further help to answer other
questions. I hope that helps some.

Liz Bottner
Guiding Eyes Graduate Council
GEB Voicemail:  800-942-0149 Ext. 2531
e-mail: 
liziswhatis at hotmail.com 
Visit my LiveJournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
Of Antonio Guimaraes
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:02 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email

Hello,

I'm wondering how some of you find a way to manage email most 
effectively. What one program do you find fits most of your needs?

I find myself using Thunderbird on a windows XP machine, and 2 windows 7

setups.

I have outlook express on the XP machine, and use Mac OS mail program at

times.

I have the option to use Outlook 2000 and Outlook 2007, but I remember 
not liking Outlook for one reason or another. I would set it up with my 
gmail accounts to see what added features I can get out of the 2007 one,

since it is newer and bound to be more feature-rich.

I often mail from the iPhone.

This almost infinit number of options is daunting since each program 
sorts messages differently, has its own addressbook, and so on.

I have yet to be able to find out how I can purchase a Microsoft 
Exchange account which may be the most logical solution to my problem. 
Quite frankly I've only gotten general information and instruction on 
setting one up.

Any thoughts?

Antonio



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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  3 04:31:45 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:31:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Joshua,
I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to play 
daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd card. 
I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.

I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the learning ally 
downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind now. They 
took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website, including 
the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance before in 
your book search results you could press H to see each book title and 
information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only see the book in 
a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice jaws saying 
graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to the book 
catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text as 
easily.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Wow!
I still use the CD player for my classes.
I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Antonio,
> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed 
> it.
> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it 
> works!
> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is IMO
> easy to use and simple.
>
> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus, which
> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like 
> nls
> and learning ally.
>
> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With 
> changing
> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically correct
> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people 
> have
> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them 
> forget
> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating something 
> is
> not accessible won't help.
>
> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main 
> page
> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the same
> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
> frustrated,
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Guimaraes
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Dear NABS members,
>
> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
> we've come to know in previous years.
>
> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
> you for some feedback.
>
> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
> download features.
>
> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
> up against issues with the download service.
>
> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>
> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
> Learning Ally's part.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
>
>
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  3 04:34:39 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:34:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Joshua,
You get books for your vr stream by downloading. I suggest you start with 
NLS bard as its easier. Download books and save them to your sd card for 
your vr stream. Then once you get that, try learning ally.
You will never have a digital book for your stream unless you download one. 
Oh, and if you have an audible membership or just purchase a book from them, 
your stream plays those books too; the site www.audible.com has thousands of 
books.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:45 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
I don't have any books for it, now.
I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream. It's
> really quite simple.
> Patrick
>
> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Wow!
>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Antonio,
>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>> it.
>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>> works!
>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>> IMO
>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>
>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>> which
>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>> nls
>>> and learning ally.
>>>
>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>> changing
>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>> correct
>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>> have
>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>> forget
>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating 
>>> something
>>> is
>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>
>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>> page
>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>> same
>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>> frustrated,
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>
>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>
>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>> you for some feedback.
>>>
>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
>>> download features.
>>>
>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>
>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>
>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan  3 04:34:53 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:34:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Ashley, why not start this discussion on the NFB-Talk list.
I'd even contact Scott LaBarr about this.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to play
> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd card.
> I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>
> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the learning ally
> downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind now. They
> took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website, including
> the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance before in
> your book search results you could press H to see each book title and
> information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only see the book in
> a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice jaws saying
> graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to the book
> catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text as
> easily.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Wow!
> I still use the CD player for my classes.
> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Antonio,
>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>> it.
>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>> works!
>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is IMO
>> easy to use and simple.
>>
>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus, which
>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>> nls
>> and learning ally.
>>
>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>> changing
>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically correct
>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>> have
>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>> forget
>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating something
>> is
>> not accessible won't help.
>>
>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>> page
>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the same
>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>> frustrated,
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> Dear NABS members,
>>
>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>
>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>> you for some feedback.
>>
>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
>> download features.
>>
>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>> up against issues with the download service.
>>
>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>
>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>> Learning Ally's part.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  3 04:36:17 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:36:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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that is right. Sometimes I save files to .txt and the vr stream reads them.s

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

You don't have to have a book. It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT files.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


>I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
> I don't have any books for it, now.
> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream. It's
>> really quite simple.
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> Wow!
>>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Antonio,
>>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>>> it.
>>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a 
>>>> cd
>>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>>> works!
>>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>>> IMO
>>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>>
>>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>> which
>>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>>> nls
>>>> and learning ally.
>>>>
>>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>>> changing
>>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>> correct
>>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>>> have
>>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>>> forget
>>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating 
>>>> something
>>>> is
>>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>>
>>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>>> page
>>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>>> same
>>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>> frustrated,
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>
>>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>
>>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use 
>>>> their
>>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>>> you for some feedback.
>>>>
>>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning 
>>>> Ally's
>>>> download features.
>>>>
>>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>
>>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>
>>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan  3 04:37:34 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:37:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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I get cartredges from NLS.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> You get books for your vr stream by downloading. I suggest you start with
> NLS bard as its easier. Download books and save them to your sd card for
> your vr stream. Then once you get that, try learning ally.
> You will never have a digital book for your stream unless you download one.
> Oh, and if you have an audible membership or just purchase a book from them,
> your stream plays those books too; the site www.audible.com has thousands of
> books.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:45 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
> I don't have any books for it, now.
> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream. It's
>> really quite simple.
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> Wow!
>>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Antonio,
>>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>>> it.
>>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
>>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>>> works!
>>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>>> IMO
>>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>>
>>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>> which
>>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>>> nls
>>>> and learning ally.
>>>>
>>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>>> changing
>>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>> correct
>>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>>> have
>>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>>> forget
>>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating
>>>> something
>>>> is
>>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>>
>>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>>> page
>>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>>> same
>>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>> frustrated,
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>
>>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>
>>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
>>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>>> you for some feedback.
>>>>
>>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
>>>> download features.
>>>>
>>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>
>>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>
>>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Tue Jan  3 04:45:45 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:45:45 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off list.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


> Joshua,
> I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to play 
> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd 
> card. I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>
> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the learning 
> ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind now. 
> They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website, 
> including the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance 
> before in your book search results you could press H to see each book 
> title and information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only see 
> the book in a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice jaws 
> saying graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to the 
> book catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text as 
> easily.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Wow!
> I still use the CD player for my classes.
> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Antonio,
>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed 
>> it.
>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it 
>> works!
>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is 
>> IMO
>> easy to use and simple.
>>
>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus, 
>> which
>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like 
>> nls
>> and learning ally.
>>
>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With 
>> changing
>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically 
>> correct
>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people 
>> have
>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them 
>> forget
>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating something 
>> is
>> not accessible won't help.
>>
>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main 
>> page
>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the 
>> same
>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>> frustrated,
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> Dear NABS members,
>>
>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>
>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>> you for some feedback.
>>
>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
>> download features.
>>
>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>> up against issues with the download service.
>>
>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>
>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>> Learning Ally's part.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan  3 04:50:15 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:50:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main problem,
(putting the darn thing in!)
Thanks again.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off list.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
>> Joshua,
>> I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to play
>>
>> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd
>> card. I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>>
>> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the learning
>> ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind now.
>>
>> They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
>> including the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance
>> before in your book search results you could press H to see each book
>> title and information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only see
>> the book in a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice jaws
>>
>> saying graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to the
>>
>> book catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text as
>>
>> easily.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> Wow!
>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Antonio,
>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>> it.
>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>> works!
>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>> IMO
>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>
>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>> which
>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>> nls
>>> and learning ally.
>>>
>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>> changing
>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>> correct
>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>> have
>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>> forget
>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating something
>>>
>>> is
>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>
>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>> page
>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>> same
>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>> frustrated,
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>
>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>
>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>> you for some feedback.
>>>
>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
>>> download features.
>>>
>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>
>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>
>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Tue Jan  3 04:55:32 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:55:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Actually, I have never used it with a cartridge, so I unfortunately cannot 
help you with that part, but I can help with running it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


> Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
> I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main problem,
> (putting the darn thing in!)
> Thanks again.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off list.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>>
>>> Joshua,
>>> I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to 
>>> play
>>>
>>> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd
>>> card. I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>>>
>>> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the learning
>>> ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind 
>>> now.
>>>
>>> They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
>>> including the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance
>>> before in your book search results you could press H to see each book
>>> title and information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only 
>>> see
>>> the book in a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice 
>>> jaws
>>>
>>> saying graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to 
>>> the
>>>
>>> book catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text 
>>> as
>>>
>>> easily.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>> Wow!
>>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Antonio,
>>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>>> it.
>>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a 
>>>> cd
>>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>>> works!
>>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>>> IMO
>>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>>
>>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>> which
>>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>>> nls
>>>> and learning ally.
>>>>
>>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>>> changing
>>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>> correct
>>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>>> have
>>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>>> forget
>>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating 
>>>> something
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>>
>>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>>> page
>>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>>> same
>>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>> frustrated,
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>
>>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>
>>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use 
>>>> their
>>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>>> you for some feedback.
>>>>
>>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning 
>>>> Ally's
>>>> download features.
>>>>
>>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>
>>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>
>>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  3 05:09:11 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 00:09:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Joshua,
Actually you do not use cartriges with vr stream. you only use sd cards. it 
only takes little sd cards.
Its easy to slide in; it only goes one way; it took me a few tries to figure 
out the right way as well.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main problem,
(putting the darn thing in!)
Thanks again.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off list.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
>> Joshua,
>> I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to 
>> play
>>
>> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd
>> card. I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>>
>> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the learning
>> ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind 
>> now.
>>
>> They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
>> including the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance
>> before in your book search results you could press H to see each book
>> title and information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only see
>> the book in a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice 
>> jaws
>>
>> saying graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to 
>> the
>>
>> book catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text 
>> as
>>
>> easily.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> Wow!
>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Antonio,
>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>> it.
>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>> works!
>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>> IMO
>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>
>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>> which
>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>> nls
>>> and learning ally.
>>>
>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>> changing
>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>> correct
>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>> have
>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>> forget
>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating 
>>> something
>>>
>>> is
>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>
>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>> page
>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>> same
>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>> frustrated,
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>
>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>
>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>> you for some feedback.
>>>
>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
>>> download features.
>>>
>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>
>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>
>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan  3 05:12:40 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:12:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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What is this player called, that uses the cartredges?
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> Actually you do not use cartriges with vr stream. you only use sd cards. it
> only takes little sd cards.
> Its easy to slide in; it only goes one way; it took me a few tries to figure
> out the right way as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
> I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main problem,
> (putting the darn thing in!)
> Thanks again.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off list.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>>
>>> Joshua,
>>> I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to
>>> play
>>>
>>> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd
>>> card. I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>>>
>>> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the learning
>>> ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind
>>> now.
>>>
>>> They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
>>> including the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance
>>> before in your book search results you could press H to see each book
>>> title and information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only see
>>> the book in a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice
>>> jaws
>>>
>>> saying graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to
>>> the
>>>
>>> book catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text
>>> as
>>>
>>> easily.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>> Wow!
>>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Antonio,
>>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>>> it.
>>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
>>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>>> works!
>>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>>> IMO
>>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>>
>>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>> which
>>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>>> nls
>>>> and learning ally.
>>>>
>>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>>> changing
>>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>> correct
>>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>>> have
>>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>>> forget
>>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating
>>>> something
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>>
>>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>>> page
>>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>>> same
>>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>> frustrated,
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>
>>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>
>>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
>>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>>> you for some feedback.
>>>>
>>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
>>>> download features.
>>>>
>>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>
>>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>
>>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  3 05:24:45 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 00:24:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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the player is from your NLS lending library; its just a nls digital player.
NLS cartriges might play on other devices, but I do not think they play on 
victor reader products. VR products take daisy cds, sd cards and/or USB 
drives.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:12 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

What is this player called, that uses the cartredges?
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> Actually you do not use cartriges with vr stream. you only use sd cards. 
> it
> only takes little sd cards.
> Its easy to slide in; it only goes one way; it took me a few tries to 
> figure
> out the right way as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
> I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main problem,
> (putting the darn thing in!)
> Thanks again.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off list.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>>
>>> Joshua,
>>> I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to
>>> play
>>>
>>> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd
>>> card. I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>>>
>>> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the learning
>>> ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind
>>> now.
>>>
>>> They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
>>> including the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance
>>> before in your book search results you could press H to see each book
>>> title and information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only 
>>> see
>>> the book in a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice
>>> jaws
>>>
>>> saying graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to
>>> the
>>>
>>> book catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text
>>> as
>>>
>>> easily.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>> Wow!
>>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Antonio,
>>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>>> it.
>>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a 
>>>> cd
>>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>>> works!
>>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>>> IMO
>>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>>
>>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>> which
>>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>>> nls
>>>> and learning ally.
>>>>
>>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>>> changing
>>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>> correct
>>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>>> have
>>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>>> forget
>>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating
>>>> something
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>>
>>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>>> page
>>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>>> same
>>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>> frustrated,
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>
>>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>
>>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use 
>>>> their
>>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>>> you for some feedback.
>>>>
>>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning 
>>>> Ally's
>>>> download features.
>>>>
>>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>
>>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>
>>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan  3 05:27:33 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:27:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Oh yes!
That's what I'm having problems with.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> the player is from your NLS lending library; its just a nls digital player.
> NLS cartriges might play on other devices, but I do not think they play on
> victor reader products. VR products take daisy cds, sd cards and/or USB
> drives.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:12 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> What is this player called, that uses the cartredges?
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> Actually you do not use cartriges with vr stream. you only use sd cards.
>> it
>> only takes little sd cards.
>> Its easy to slide in; it only goes one way; it took me a few tries to
>> figure
>> out the right way as well.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:50 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
>> I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main problem,
>> (putting the darn thing in!)
>> Thanks again.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off list.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>>
>>>> Joshua,
>>>> I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to
>>>> play
>>>>
>>>> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd
>>>> card. I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>>>>
>>>> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the learning
>>>> ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind
>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>> They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
>>>> including the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance
>>>> before in your book search results you could press H to see each book
>>>> title and information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only
>>>> see
>>>> the book in a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice
>>>> jaws
>>>>
>>>> saying graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> book catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>> easily.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>> Wow!
>>>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Antonio,
>>>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>>>> it.
>>>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a
>>>>> cd
>>>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>>>> works!
>>>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>>>> IMO
>>>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>>> which
>>>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>>>> nls
>>>>> and learning ally.
>>>>>
>>>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>>>> changing
>>>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>>> correct
>>>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>>>> have
>>>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>>>> forget
>>>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating
>>>>> something
>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>>>> page
>>>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>>>> same
>>>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>>> frustrated,
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>>
>>>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>>>>> their
>>>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>>>> you for some feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>>>>> Ally's
>>>>> download features.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>>
>>>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Tue Jan  3 05:35:08 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:35:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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You can use cartridges with the VR Stream.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


> Joshua,
> Actually you do not use cartriges with vr stream. you only use sd cards. 
> it only takes little sd cards.
> Its easy to slide in; it only goes one way; it took me a few tries to 
> figure out the right way as well.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
> I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main problem,
> (putting the darn thing in!)
> Thanks again.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off list.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>>
>>> Joshua,
>>> I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to 
>>> play
>>>
>>> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd
>>> card. I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>>>
>>> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the learning
>>> ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind 
>>> now.
>>>
>>> They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
>>> including the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance
>>> before in your book search results you could press H to see each book
>>> title and information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only 
>>> see
>>> the book in a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice 
>>> jaws
>>>
>>> saying graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to 
>>> the
>>>
>>> book catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text 
>>> as
>>>
>>> easily.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>> Wow!
>>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Antonio,
>>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>>> it.
>>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a 
>>>> cd
>>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>>> works!
>>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>>> IMO
>>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>>
>>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>> which
>>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>>> nls
>>>> and learning ally.
>>>>
>>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>>> changing
>>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>> correct
>>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>>> have
>>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>>> forget
>>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating 
>>>> something
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>>
>>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>>> page
>>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>>> same
>>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>> frustrated,
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>
>>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>
>>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use 
>>>> their
>>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>>> you for some feedback.
>>>>
>>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning 
>>>> Ally's
>>>> download features.
>>>>
>>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>
>>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>
>>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Tue Jan  3 06:00:54 2012
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:00:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: 31a24f91-ca20-4b73-8c79-48c46418d462@samobile.net

I'm with Ashley on this one. I've played around a little with the new 
download system. From my early observations, it seems like it's just 
not that intuitive at the best and terribly inaccessible at the worst. 
I need more time to play around with it to see exactly where the 
accessibility issues are if any. As to the site, it's definitely more 
image-ridden than it used to be. And yes, I agree that the name change 
is reflective of political correctness rather than inclusion.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> Antonio,
> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed it.
> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it works!
> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is IMO
> easy to use and simple.

> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus, which
> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like nls
> and learning ally.

> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With changing
> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically correct
> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people have
> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them forget
> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating something is
> not accessible won't help.

> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main page
> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the same
> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
> frustrated,
> Ashley

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Guimaraes
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

> Dear NABS members,

> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
> we've come to know in previous years.

> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
> you for some feedback.

> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
> download features.

> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
> up against issues with the download service.

> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
> access to recorded texts for blind users.

> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
> Learning Ally's part.

> Sincerely,

> Antonio Guimaraes




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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  3 12:48:08 2012
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:48:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Good morning Josh, Ashley and any other interesteds,

It is my strong belief that, removing all reference to blind, from 
the name might serve to parallel the difficulties wwe are now having 
accessing this supposed, ally! It is another charade that is meant to 
appear inclusive, but really isn't. How unfortunate is it that the 
initial population RFB was meant to serve, now is rendered 
decisively, removed from anything resembling blind peoples' alliance!
Carly
>Ashley, why not start this discussion on the NFB-Talk list.
>I'd even contact Scott LaBarr about this.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Joshua,
> > I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to play
> > daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think 
> a sd card.
> > I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
> >
> > I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the 
> learning ally
> > downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind now. They
> > took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website, including
> > the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance before in
> > your book search results you could press H to see each book title and
> > information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only see the book in
> > a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice jaws saying
> > graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to the book
> > catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text as
> > easily.
> >
> > Ashley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joshua Lester
> > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
> >
> > Wow!
> > I still use the CD player for my classes.
> > I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
> > Blessings, Joshua
> >
> > On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Antonio,
> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
> >> it.
> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
> >> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
> >> works!
> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is IMO
> >> easy to use and simple.
> >>
> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus, which
> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
> >> nls
> >> and learning ally.
> >>
> >> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
> >> changing
> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically correct
> >> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
> >> have
> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
> >> forget
> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating something
> >> is
> >> not accessible won't help.
> >>
> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
> >> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
> >> page
> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
> >> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the same
> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
> >> frustrated,
> >> Ashley
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
> >>
> >> Dear NABS members,
> >>
> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
> >> we've come to know in previous years.
> >>
> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
> >> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
> >> you for some feedback.
> >>
> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
> >> download features.
> >>
> >> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
> >> up against issues with the download service.
> >>
> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
> >>
> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
> >> Learning Ally's part.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Antonio Guimaraes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 13:38:38 2012
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:38:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with the stream
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Humanware sells an attachment that will accept a cartrige. I've never 
seen it, but they can tell you about it if you call.

Antonio


On 1/3/2012 12:35 AM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
> You can use cartridges with the VR Stream.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" 
> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
>> Joshua,
>> Actually you do not use cartriges with vr stream. you only use sd 
>> cards. it only takes little sd cards.
>> Its easy to slide in; it only goes one way; it took me a few tries to 
>> figure out the right way as well.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:50 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
>> I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main problem,
>> (putting the darn thing in!)
>> Thanks again.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off list.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>>
>>>> Joshua,
>>>> I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you 
>>>> to play
>>>>
>>>> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd
>>>> card. I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>>>>
>>>> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the 
>>>> learning
>>>> ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the 
>>>> blind now.
>>>>
>>>> They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
>>>> including the download features, is not very user friendly. For 
>>>> instance
>>>> before in your book search results you could press H to see each book
>>>> title and information underneath it. Now they are tables and you 
>>>> only see
>>>> the book in a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. 
>>>> Notice jaws
>>>>
>>>> saying graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures 
>>>> to the
>>>>
>>>> book catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the 
>>>> text as
>>>>
>>>> easily.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>> Wow!
>>>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Antonio,
>>>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
>>>>> changed
>>>>> it.
>>>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you 
>>>>> have a cd
>>>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
>>>>> longer
>>>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  
>>>>> more
>>>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>>>> works!
>>>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
>>>>> player is
>>>>> IMO
>>>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>>> which
>>>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places 
>>>>> like
>>>>> nls
>>>>> and learning ally.
>>>>>
>>>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>>>> changing
>>>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>>> correct
>>>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind 
>>>>> people
>>>>> have
>>>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>>>> forget
>>>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating 
>>>>> something
>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and 
>>>>> complex
>>>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the 
>>>>> main
>>>>> page
>>>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
>>>>> anymore
>>>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>>>> same
>>>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>>> frustrated,
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>>
>>>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
>>>>> services
>>>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use 
>>>>> their
>>>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people 
>>>>> like
>>>>> you for some feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning 
>>>>> Ally's
>>>>> download features.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have 
>>>>> come
>>>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>>
>>>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
>>>>> issues, and
>>>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  3 13:53:42 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:53:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Carley,
Right; as I said, when they changed their name to be so called inclusive, 
they took the name blind out and from their actions seem less blind focussed 
than they used to be. Yes they served blind people for years, that is how 
they started. Perhaps with some polite advocacy, they will change their site 
and make once again more blind friendly. I believe they still have some 
blind staff.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Carly
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:48 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Good morning Josh, Ashley and any other interesteds,

It is my strong belief that, removing all reference to blind, from
the name might serve to parallel the difficulties wwe are now having
accessing this supposed, ally! It is another charade that is meant to
appear inclusive, but really isn't. How unfortunate is it that the
initial population RFB was meant to serve, now is rendered
decisively, removed from anything resembling blind peoples' alliance!
Carly
>Ashley, why not start this discussion on the NFB-Talk list.
>I'd even contact Scott LaBarr about this.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Joshua,
> > I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to 
> > play
> > daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think
> a sd card.
> > I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
> >
> > I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the
> learning ally
> > downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind now. 
> > They
> > took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website, 
> > including
> > the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance before in
> > your book search results you could press H to see each book title and
> > information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only see the book 
> > in
> > a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice jaws saying
> > graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to the book
> > catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text as
> > easily.
> >
> > Ashley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joshua Lester
> > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
> >
> > Wow!
> > I still use the CD player for my classes.
> > I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
> > Blessings, Joshua
> >
> > On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Antonio,
> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
> >> it.
> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a 
> >> cd
> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
> >> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
> >> works!
> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is 
> >> IMO
> >> easy to use and simple.
> >>
> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus, 
> >> which
> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
> >> nls
> >> and learning ally.
> >>
> >> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
> >> changing
> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically 
> >> correct
> >> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
> >> have
> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
> >> forget
> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating 
> >> something
> >> is
> >> not accessible won't help.
> >>
> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
> >> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
> >> page
> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
> >> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the 
> >> same
> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
> >> frustrated,
> >> Ashley
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
> >>
> >> Dear NABS members,
> >>
> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
> >> we've come to know in previous years.
> >>
> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use 
> >> their
> >> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
> >> you for some feedback.
> >>
> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning 
> >> Ally's
> >> download features.
> >>
> >> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
> >> up against issues with the download service.
> >>
> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
> >>
> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
> >> Learning Ally's part.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Antonio Guimaraes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nabs-l mailing list
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 14:22:43 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:22:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Hi,
I use the victor stream and find it very easy to use. I rather the stream 
because it is easier to transport than the bigger CD player.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


> Carley,
> Right; as I said, when they changed their name to be so called inclusive, 
> they took the name blind out and from their actions seem less blind 
> focussed than they used to be. Yes they served blind people for years, 
> that is how they started. Perhaps with some polite advocacy, they will 
> change their site and make once again more blind friendly. I believe they 
> still have some blind staff.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Carly
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:48 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National 
> Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Good morning Josh, Ashley and any other interesteds,
>
> It is my strong belief that, removing all reference to blind, from
> the name might serve to parallel the difficulties wwe are now having
> accessing this supposed, ally! It is another charade that is meant to
> appear inclusive, but really isn't. How unfortunate is it that the
> initial population RFB was meant to serve, now is rendered
> decisively, removed from anything resembling blind peoples' alliance!
> Carly
>>Ashley, why not start this discussion on the NFB-Talk list.
>>I'd even contact Scott LaBarr about this.
>>Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > Joshua,
>> > I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to 
>> > play
>> > daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think
>> a sd card.
>> > I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>> >
>> > I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the
>> learning ally
>> > downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind now. 
>> > They
>> > took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website, 
>> > including
>> > the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance before 
>> > in
>> > your book search results you could press H to see each book title and
>> > information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only see the 
>> > book in
>> > a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice jaws saying
>> > graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to the 
>> > book
>> > catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text as
>> > easily.
>> >
>> > Ashley
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Joshua Lester
>> > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >
>> > Wow!
>> > I still use the CD player for my classes.
>> > I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>> > Blessings, Joshua
>> >
>> > On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> Antonio,
>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
>> >> changed
>> >> it.
>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a 
>> >> cd
>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
>> >> longer
>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic, 
>> >> more
>> >> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>> >> works!
>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is 
>> >> IMO
>> >> easy to use and simple.
>> >>
>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus, 
>> >> which
>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places 
>> >> like
>> >> nls
>> >> and learning ally.
>> >>
>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>> >> changing
>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically 
>> >> correct
>> >> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind 
>> >> people
>> >> have
>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>> >> forget
>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating 
>> >> something
>> >> is
>> >> not accessible won't help.
>> >>
>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>> >> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the 
>> >> main
>> >> page
>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
>> >> anymore
>> >> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the 
>> >> same
>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>> >> frustrated,
>> >> Ashley
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >> Dear NABS members,
>> >>
>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>> >>
>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use 
>> >> their
>> >> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>> >> you for some feedback.
>> >>
>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning 
>> >> Ally's
>> >> download features.
>> >>
>> >> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have 
>> >> come
>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>> >>
>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>> >>
>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, 
>> >> and
>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 14:23:58 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:23:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with the stream
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	<4F0304DE.1040409@gmail.com>
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you can use SD cards with the victor stream. I have a 16 gig SD card and 
have put a lot of books on it from the Bard web cite. I love my stream and 
find it to be a veery easy piece of technology to use.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Antonio Guimaraes" <freethaught at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:38 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with the stream


> Humanware sells an attachment that will accept a cartrige. I've never seen 
> it, but they can tell you about it if you call.
>
> Antonio
>
>
> On 1/3/2012 12:35 AM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>> You can use cartridges with the VR Stream.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" 
>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>>
>>> Joshua,
>>> Actually you do not use cartriges with vr stream. you only use sd cards. 
>>> it only takes little sd cards.
>>> Its easy to slide in; it only goes one way; it took me a few tries to 
>>> figure out the right way as well.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:50 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>> Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
>>> I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main problem,
>>> (putting the darn thing in!)
>>> Thanks again.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/2/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>> If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off list.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>> I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to 
>>>>> play
>>>>>
>>>>> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd
>>>>> card. I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the 
>>>>> learning
>>>>> ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind 
>>>>> now.
>>>>>
>>>>> They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
>>>>> including the download features, is not very user friendly. For 
>>>>> instance
>>>>> before in your book search results you could press H to see each book
>>>>> title and information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only 
>>>>> see
>>>>> the book in a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice 
>>>>> jaws
>>>>>
>>>>> saying graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to 
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> book catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the 
>>>>> text as
>>>>>
>>>>> easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow!
>>>>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>>>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Antonio,
>>>>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
>>>>>> changed
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a 
>>>>>> cd
>>>>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
>>>>>> longer
>>>>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic, 
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>>>>> works!
>>>>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> IMO
>>>>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places 
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> nls
>>>>>> and learning ally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>>>>> changing
>>>>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>>>> correct
>>>>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind 
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>>>>> forget
>>>>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating 
>>>>>> something
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and 
>>>>>> complex
>>>>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the 
>>>>>> main
>>>>>> page
>>>>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>>>> frustrated,
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
>>>>>> services
>>>>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use 
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>>>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people 
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> you for some feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning 
>>>>>> Ally's
>>>>>> download features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have 
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 17:07:38 2012
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:07:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20120103043926.01cc0ef0@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <GKEDKNGOCKBNNKBNIIJPAEACCAAA.freethaught@gmail.com>

Carly and others,

I am downloading Ally books as we speak, but not after great lengths to
find, install, and use the new Book Shelf manager.

The Ally site, more specifically the my bookshelf section, is flawed at its
design. I have heard from a few very computer-savvy blind users that have
had issues with the site and can not download books.

Some user finding from my surveyal on Learning Ally are as follows:

1. They still list the old download manager on the page for PC and Mac.

2. Books on the book shelf are nearly impossible to download from the combo
boxes provided. I've heard reports from users who have been able to
download, but only after trial and error, and more trial, and frustration
playing with the combo boxes provided.

3. The new download manager is provided on the my bookshelf page, but as
others here can attest to, the site design is not intuitive, making it
difficult to locate the book shelf software, and the site an unfriendly
environment for screen reader users.

My suggestions are as follows: I write them here to jot down my thoughts to
list readers, and later forward them to the appropriate LA staff.

1. Provide a link to download each book on the book shelf for users who
choose to use the old manager.

2. Remove the old manager from the page to encourage and guide users to what
will hopefully be a simple and usable experience downloading and cyncing to
one's chosen player.

3. Consulting with a group of blind users to maintain optimal screen reader
access for the blind. This was obviously overlooked in the past few months.

4. Provide documentation for use of site and download manager features for
everyone.

These are my thoughts,

Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Carly
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:48 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


Good morning Josh, Ashley and any other interesteds,

It is my strong belief that, removing all reference to blind, from
the name might serve to parallel the difficulties wwe are now having
accessing this supposed, ally! It is another charade that is meant to
appear inclusive, but really isn't. How unfortunate is it that the
initial population RFB was meant to serve, now is rendered
decisively, removed from anything resembling blind peoples' alliance!
Carly
>Ashley, why not start this discussion on the NFB-Talk list.
>I'd even contact Scott LaBarr about this.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Joshua,
> > I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to
play
> > daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think
> a sd card.
> > I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
> >
> > I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the
> learning ally
> > downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind now.
They
> > took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
including
> > the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance before in
> > your book search results you could press H to see each book title and
> > information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only see the book
in
> > a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice jaws saying
> > graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to the book
> > catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text as
> > easily.
> >
> > Ashley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joshua Lester
> > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
> >
> > Wow!
> > I still use the CD player for my classes.
> > I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
> > Blessings, Joshua
> >
> > On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Antonio,
> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
> >> it.
> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a
cd
> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
> >> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
> >> works!
> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
IMO
> >> easy to use and simple.
> >>
> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
which
> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
> >> nls
> >> and learning ally.
> >>
> >> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
> >> changing
> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
correct
> >> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
> >> have
> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
> >> forget
> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating
something
> >> is
> >> not accessible won't help.
> >>
> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
> >> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
> >> page
> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
> >> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
same
> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
> >> frustrated,
> >> Ashley
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
> >>
> >> Dear NABS members,
> >>
> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
> >> we've come to know in previous years.
> >>
> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
their
> >> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
> >> you for some feedback.
> >>
> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
Ally's
> >> download features.
> >>
> >> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
> >> up against issues with the download service.
> >>
> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
> >>
> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
> >> Learning Ally's part.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Antonio Guimaraes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 17:43:21 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:43:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
References: <GKEDKNGOCKBNNKBNIIJPAEACCAAA.freethaught@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77AC840A20A743FDADB1AB6B4CE4B591@Gloria>

Hi,
Does anyone know where I can download a dictionary for my stream? I called 
learning ali and I was told they do not have any. Thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Antonio Guimaraes" <freethaught at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


> Carly and others,
>
> I am downloading Ally books as we speak, but not after great lengths to
> find, install, and use the new Book Shelf manager.
>
> The Ally site, more specifically the my bookshelf section, is flawed at 
> its
> design. I have heard from a few very computer-savvy blind users that have
> had issues with the site and can not download books.
>
> Some user finding from my surveyal on Learning Ally are as follows:
>
> 1. They still list the old download manager on the page for PC and Mac.
>
> 2. Books on the book shelf are nearly impossible to download from the 
> combo
> boxes provided. I've heard reports from users who have been able to
> download, but only after trial and error, and more trial, and frustration
> playing with the combo boxes provided.
>
> 3. The new download manager is provided on the my bookshelf page, but as
> others here can attest to, the site design is not intuitive, making it
> difficult to locate the book shelf software, and the site an unfriendly
> environment for screen reader users.
>
> My suggestions are as follows: I write them here to jot down my thoughts 
> to
> list readers, and later forward them to the appropriate LA staff.
>
> 1. Provide a link to download each book on the book shelf for users who
> choose to use the old manager.
>
> 2. Remove the old manager from the page to encourage and guide users to 
> what
> will hopefully be a simple and usable experience downloading and cyncing 
> to
> one's chosen player.
>
> 3. Consulting with a group of blind users to maintain optimal screen 
> reader
> access for the blind. This was obviously overlooked in the past few 
> months.
>
> 4. Provide documentation for use of site and download manager features for
> everyone.
>
> These are my thoughts,
>
> Antonio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Carly
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:48 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
> Good morning Josh, Ashley and any other interesteds,
>
> It is my strong belief that, removing all reference to blind, from
> the name might serve to parallel the difficulties wwe are now having
> accessing this supposed, ally! It is another charade that is meant to
> appear inclusive, but really isn't. How unfortunate is it that the
> initial population RFB was meant to serve, now is rendered
> decisively, removed from anything resembling blind peoples' alliance!
> Carly
>>Ashley, why not start this discussion on the NFB-Talk list.
>>I'd even contact Scott LaBarr about this.
>>Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > Joshua,
>> > I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to
> play
>> > daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think
>> a sd card.
>> > I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>> >
>> > I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the
>> learning ally
>> > downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind now.
> They
>> > took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
> including
>> > the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance before 
>> > in
>> > your book search results you could press H to see each book title and
>> > information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only see the 
>> > book
> in
>> > a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice jaws saying
>> > graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to the 
>> > book
>> > catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text as
>> > easily.
>> >
>> > Ashley
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Joshua Lester
>> > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >
>> > Wow!
>> > I still use the CD player for my classes.
>> > I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>> > Blessings, Joshua
>> >
>> > On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> Antonio,
>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
>> >> changed
>> >> it.
>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a
> cd
>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
>> >> longer
>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic, 
>> >> more
>> >> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>> >> works!
>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
> IMO
>> >> easy to use and simple.
>> >>
>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
> which
>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places 
>> >> like
>> >> nls
>> >> and learning ally.
>> >>
>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>> >> changing
>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
> correct
>> >> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind 
>> >> people
>> >> have
>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>> >> forget
>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating
> something
>> >> is
>> >> not accessible won't help.
>> >>
>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>> >> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the 
>> >> main
>> >> page
>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
>> >> anymore
>> >> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
> same
>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>> >> frustrated,
>> >> Ashley
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >> Dear NABS members,
>> >>
>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>> >>
>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
> their
>> >> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>> >> you for some feedback.
>> >>
>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
> Ally's
>> >> download features.
>> >>
>> >> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have 
>> >> come
>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>> >>
>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>> >>
>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, 
>> >> and
>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Tue Jan  3 18:24:50 2012
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:24:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <DE1524E4BABD44BCADC256D9DE109F9B@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <auto-000004801642@mailback3.g2host.com>

Ashley,

I believe you can use cartridges with the VR Stream using an extension cable, but there is also an 
attachment for the VR Stream to play cartridges.  I am not sure what Joshua is using, though.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 00:09:11 -0500, Ashley Bramlett wrote:

>Joshua,
>Actually you do not use cartriges with vr stream. you only use sd cards. it 
>only takes little sd cards.
>Its easy to slide in; it only goes one way; it took me a few tries to figure 
>out the right way as well.

>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Joshua Lester
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:50 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

>Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
>I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main problem,
>(putting the darn thing in!)
>Thanks again.
>Blessings, Joshua

>On 1/2/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off list.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>>
>>> Joshua,
>>> I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to 
>>> play
>>>
>>> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd
>>> card. I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>>>
>>> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the learning
>>> ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind 
>>> now.
>>>
>>> They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
>>> including the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance
>>> before in your book search results you could press H to see each book
>>> title and information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only see
>>> the book in a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice 
>>> jaws
>>>
>>> saying graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to 
>>> the
>>>
>>> book catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text 
>>> as
>>>
>>> easily.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>> Wow!
>>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Antonio,
>>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>>> it.
>>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a cd
>>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>>> works!
>>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>>> IMO
>>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>>
>>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>> which
>>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>>> nls
>>>> and learning ally.
>>>>
>>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>>> changing
>>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>> correct
>>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>>> have
>>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>>> forget
>>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating 
>>>> something
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>>
>>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>>> page
>>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>>> same
>>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>> frustrated,
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>
>>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>
>>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use their
>>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>>> you for some feedback.
>>>>
>>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning Ally's
>>>> download features.
>>>>
>>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>
>>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>
>>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  3 19:25:42 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:25:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <auto-000004801642@mailback3.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000004801642@mailback3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <A97BEA6FE61F49A688E5B0FA7EF30FD3@OwnerPC>

true; I do remember the attachment now that you mention it.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 1:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Ashley,

I believe you can use cartridges with the VR Stream using an extension 
cable, but there is also an
attachment for the VR Stream to play cartridges.  I am not sure what Joshua 
is using, though.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 00:09:11 -0500, Ashley Bramlett wrote:

>Joshua,
>Actually you do not use cartriges with vr stream. you only use sd cards. it
>only takes little sd cards.
>Its easy to slide in; it only goes one way; it took me a few tries to 
>figure
>out the right way as well.

>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Joshua Lester
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:50 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

>Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
>I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main problem,
>(putting the darn thing in!)
>Thanks again.
>Blessings, Joshua

>On 1/2/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off list.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>>
>>> Joshua,
>>> I use the cd player too. The new victor reader strattus allows you to
>>> play
>>>
>>> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd
>>> card. I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>>>
>>> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the learning
>>> ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind
>>> now.
>>>
>>> They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
>>> including the download features, is not very user friendly. For instance
>>> before in your book search results you could press H to see each book
>>> title and information underneath it. Now they are tables and you only 
>>> see
>>> the book in a link. And they have pictures of each book cover. Notice
>>> jaws
>>>
>>> saying graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to
>>> the
>>>
>>> book catalog. And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text
>>> as
>>>
>>> easily.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>> Wow!
>>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Antonio,
>>>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>>>> it.
>>>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind. If you have a 
>>>> cd
>>>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>>>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>>>> probably will download. I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>>>> works!
>>>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>>>> IMO
>>>> easy to use and simple.
>>>>
>>>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>> which
>>>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>>>> nls
>>>> and learning ally.
>>>>
>>>> I encourage you to write learning ally. Many are disappointed. With
>>>> changing
>>>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>> correct
>>>> purposes. Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>>>> have
>>>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started. Don't let them
>>>> forget
>>>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges. Stating
>>>> something
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>> not accessible won't help.
>>>>
>>>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate. More images and complex
>>>> organization. Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>>>> page
>>>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>>>> without clicking on something extra. So I see like ten books with the
>>>> same
>>>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>> frustrated,
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>
>>>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>>>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>
>>>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use 
>>>> their
>>>> new and improved program for downloads. I have listened to their You
>>>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>>>> you for some feedback.
>>>>
>>>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning 
>>>> Ally's
>>>> download features.
>>>>
>>>> I am not a happy scholar. I am writing to find out if you too have come
>>>> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>
>>>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>
>>>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>>>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 20:00:39 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:00:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring Program for Blind Students
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDf8NQ3a02NAcovrup-+MD7K3XxB85H2Dqznxh793aH=g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear students,
The Rehabilitation Research and Training Center (RRTC) on blindness at
Mississippi State University is  developing and studying a mentoring
program for blind college and graduate students. They are looking for
more students to participate  who are graduating from college or grad
school between April 2012 and December 2014. Students will be matched
with blind professionals working in their field of interest. You will
have opportunities to meet face-to-face with your mentor and do job
shadowing and other career building activities over a one-year period.
You will also be asked to fill out some short surveys throughout the
mentoring period and after you graduate, to assess whether the
mentoring helps you to achieve your employment goals.
Please check out the attached flyer and fill out the eligibility
survey if interested. They are also looking for mentors, so if you are
a blind professional or recently retired, please consider applying.
Best,
Arielle Silverman, Consultant to the RRTC
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 21:20:35 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:20:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring Program for Blind Students
References: <CALAYQJDf8NQ3a02NAcovrup-+MD7K3XxB85H2Dqznxh793aH=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE63113FEA714E139F2DEAB4E6596DD1@Gloria>

Hi,
Thanks for this flier. I think programs like these can be very helpful to 
students and mentors as a way of giving back.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 2:00 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring Program for Blind Students


> Dear students,
> The Rehabilitation Research and Training Center (RRTC) on blindness at
> Mississippi State University is  developing and studying a mentoring
> program for blind college and graduate students. They are looking for
> more students to participate  who are graduating from college or grad
> school between April 2012 and December 2014. Students will be matched
> with blind professionals working in their field of interest. You will
> have opportunities to meet face-to-face with your mentor and do job
> shadowing and other career building activities over a one-year period.
> You will also be asked to fill out some short surveys throughout the
> mentoring period and after you graduate, to assess whether the
> mentoring helps you to achieve your employment goals.
> Please check out the attached flyer and fill out the eligibility
> survey if interested. They are also looking for mentors, so if you are
> a blind professional or recently retired, please consider applying.
> Best,
> Arielle Silverman, Consultant to the RRTC
>


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 22:52:10 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:52:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f0386ba.2a71340a.0da0.5074@mx.google.com>

Hi all,

Wow! It does seem that way! A few of us are planning to contact 
Dr.  Maurer about this and to write a letter to Learning Ally 
stating the inaccessibility of their download manager software, 
and explaining how critical it is that they make it accessible.  
We need stories from our fellow students explaining what RFBD has 
done for them and the barriers the inaccessibility of their 
software that would be placed on blind students who need their 
textbooks in an accessible digital format.  Please contact me if 
you are interested.

Perhaps this is also an issue which the Federation should take 
on, which is why I'm contacting Dr.  Maurer.  I would suggest 
that a resolution be written for consideration and passage at 
national convention, but I believe national convention in early 
July would be too late for us to address this issue; I think it 
should be addressed as soon as possible by the students division 
and/or the Federation at large.  If you have any thoughts or are 
interested in helping us by writing a story for the letter we 
will write to RFBD, please contact me.
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 
1968-1986

 The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth 
in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing 
assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions 
which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more 
information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit 
us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:35:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Dear NABS members,

It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
we've come to know in previous years.

Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use their
new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their 
You
Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people 
like
you for some feedback.

There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning 
Ally's
download features.

I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
up against issues with the download service.

The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
access to recorded texts for blind users.

Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
Learning Ally's part.

Sincerely,

Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 22:52:13 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:52:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] the Victor Reader Stream re:  seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f0386bd.2a71340a.0da0.5076@mx.google.com>

The Stream was pretty easy for me to figure out.  With what parts 
of the Stream are you struggling to figure out? If you have any 
questions about the Stream, please email me off-list.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:02:56 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Wow!
I still use the CD player for my classes.
I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus, which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind people have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating 
something is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the main page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  3 22:59:30 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:59:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <4f0386ba.2a71340a.0da0.5074@mx.google.com>
References: <4f0386ba.2a71340a.0da0.5074@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <91E8E7B039F24BDCAAD66D2BDC1DEED5@OwnerPC>

Chris,
sounds good. When the letter is written, let us know.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 5:52 PM
To: freethaught at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Hi all,

Wow! It does seem that way! A few of us are planning to contact
Dr.  Maurer about this and to write a letter to Learning Ally
stating the inaccessibility of their download manager software,
and explaining how critical it is that they make it accessible.
We need stories from our fellow students explaining what RFBD has
done for them and the barriers the inaccessibility of their
software that would be placed on blind students who need their
textbooks in an accessible digital format.  Please contact me if
you are interested.

Perhaps this is also an issue which the Federation should take
on, which is why I'm contacting Dr.  Maurer.  I would suggest
that a resolution be written for consideration and passage at
national convention, but I believe national convention in early
July would be too late for us to address this issue; I think it
should be addressed as soon as possible by the students division
and/or the Federation at large.  If you have any thoughts or are
interested in helping us by writing a story for the letter we
will write to RFBD, please contact me.
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
1968-1986

The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions
which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more
information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit
us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:35:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Dear NABS members,

It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
services
we've come to know in previous years.

Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to
use their
new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their
You
Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people
like
you for some feedback.

There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
Ally's
download features.

I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too
have come
up against issues with the download service.

The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
access
from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
providing
access to recorded texts for blind users.

Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported
issues, and
hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an
oversight on
Learning Ally's part.

Sincerely,

Antonio Guimaraes




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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan  3 23:02:46 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:02:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] the Victor Reader Stream re: seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <4f0386bd.2a71340a.0da0.5076@mx.google.com>
References: <4f0386bd.2a71340a.0da0.5076@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOu4YtoKJM7x452gCjeUqV8QsEjcwzqJtH34tVyFVnhjtA@mail.gmail.com>

Nicole was able to help me solve the problem.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/3/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Stream was pretty easy for me to figure out.  With what parts
> of the Stream are you struggling to figure out? If you have any
> questions about the Stream, please email me off-list.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:02:56 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Wow!
> I still use the CD player for my classes.
> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>  Antonio,
>  What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out
> the
>  download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
> changed it.
>  I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you
> have a cd
>  player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
> longer
>  offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr
> classic,  more
>  probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and
> thankfully it works!
>  Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd
> player is IMO
>  easy to use and simple.
>
>  Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr
> strattus, which
>  both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many
> places like nls
>  and learning ally.
>
>  I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.
> With changing
>  their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on
> learning
>  disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for
> politically correct
>  purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that
> blind people have
>  depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't
> let them forget
>  us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
> something is
>  not accessible won't help.
>
>  Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
> complex
>  organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from
> the main page
>  and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
> anymore
>  without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books
> with the same
>  or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>  frustrated,
>  Ashley
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Antonio Guimaraes
>  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>  To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>  Dear NABS members,
>
>  It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally
> download
>  features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
> services
>  we've come to know in previous years.
>
>  Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to
> use their
>  new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to
> their You
>  Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to
> people like
>  you for some feedback.
>
>  There are several reports that blind readers can not use
> Learning Ally's
>  download features.
>
>  I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too
> have come
>  up against issues with the download service.
>
>  The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
> access
>  from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
> providing
>  access to recorded texts for blind users.
>
>  Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported
> issues, and
>  hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an
> oversight on
>  Learning Ally's part.
>
>  Sincerely,
>
>  Antonio Guimaraes
>
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:48:28 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:48:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f0393ec.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92d7@mx.google.com>

You should have some sample books which came with your Stream, if 
it's like mine.  They are in the Talking Books bookshelf.  Hit 
the bookshelf key (which is like the number 1 on a phone keypad, 
which is what the Stream's keypad is designed like) until it says 
"talking books." Then to move between the books, hit the 4 
(previous book) and 6 (next book) keys.  Also, I would recommend 
turning the key describer on by pressing and holding the 0 key, 
then hitting each key on the keypad so you know what it does.
Hope this helps,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:45:02 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
I don't have any books for it, now.
I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  
It's
 really quite simple.
 Patrick

 On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating 
something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:48:36 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:48:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f0393f5.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92e1@mx.google.com>

I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the 
Stream read a book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and 
would go the RFBD route whenever possible.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads 
TXT files.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
 I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
 I don't have any books for it, now.
 I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  
It's
 really quite simple.
 Patrick

 On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a
 cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use
 their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning
 Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:48:51 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:48:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f039404.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92f1@mx.google.com>

Really? How?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:35:08 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

You can use cartridges with the VR Stream.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 Joshua,
 Actually you do not use cartriges with vr stream.  you only use 
sd cards.
 it only takes little sd cards.
 Its easy to slide in; it only goes one way; it took me a few 
tries to
 figure out the right way as well.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:50 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
 I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main 
problem,
 (putting the darn thing in!)
 Thanks again.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off 
list.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 Joshua,
 I use the cd player too.  The new victor reader strattus allows 
you to
 play

 daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I 
think a sd
 card.  I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure 
out.

 I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the 
learning
 ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the 
blind
 now.

 They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their 
website,
 including the download features, is not very user friendly.  For 
instance
 before in your book search results you could press H to see each 
book
 title and information underneath it.  Now they are tables and 
you only
 see
 the book in a link.  And they have pictures of each book cover.  
Notice
 jaws

 saying graphic a million times; that is because they added 
pictures to
 the

 book catalog.  And with more links and clutter, you cannot find 
the text
 as

 easily.

 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a
 cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something

 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use
 their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning
 Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:48:44 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:48:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f0393fc.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92e9@mx.google.com>

So you have the NLS player?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:37:34 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I get cartredges from NLS.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Joshua,
 You get books for your vr stream by downloading.  I suggest you 
start with
 NLS bard as its easier.  Download books and save them to your sd 
card for
 your vr stream.  Then once you get that, try learning ally.
 You will never have a digital book for your stream unless you 
download one.
 Oh, and if you have an audible membership or just purchase a 
book from them,
 your stream plays those books too; the site www.audible.com has 
thousands of
 books.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:45 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
 I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
 I don't have any books for it, now.
 I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  
It's
 really quite simple.
 Patrick

 On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:48:46 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:48:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f0393fe.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92ed@mx.google.com>

The player is called the NLS DTB (Digital Talking Book) Player.  
It's the NLS's own player, and they distribute them free of 
charge to eligible patrons.  I would have gotten one when the 
Maryland library sent out the offer, but I already had my Stream, 
and couldn't see the point of getting another player which would 
play the same books as my Stream, even if I was entitled to it 
free of charge as an NLS patron.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:12:40 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

What is this player called, that uses the cartredges?
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Joshua,
 Actually you do not use cartriges with vr stream.  you only use 
sd cards.  it
 only takes little sd cards.
 Its easy to slide in; it only goes one way; it took me a few 
tries to figure
 out the right way as well.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:50 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
 I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main 
problem,
 (putting the darn thing in!)
 Thanks again.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off 
list.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 Joshua,
 I use the cd player too.  The new victor reader strattus allows 
you to
 play

 daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I 
think a sd
 card.  I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure 
out.

 I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the 
learning
 ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the 
blind
 now.

 They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their 
website,
 including the download features, is not very user friendly.  For 
instance
 before in your book search results you could press H to see each 
book
 title and information underneath it.  Now they are tables and 
you only see
 the book in a link.  And they have pictures of each book cover.  
Notice
 jaws

 saying graphic a million times; that is because they added 
pictures to
 the

 book catalog.  And with more links and clutter, you cannot find 
the text
 as

 easily.

 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something

 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:48:33 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:48:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email
Message-ID: <4f0393f1.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92de@mx.google.com>

Oh, so then it won't work for me, as I have Windows 7.
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:41:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email

Outlook Express does not work on Windows 7.

My install on Windows XP forces me to open a message, close it, 
and
open gain before the message is loaded and ready to read.

Antonio

Antonio M Guimaraes Jr..

On Jan 2, 2012, at 14:36, Ashley Bramlett 
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

 outlook express does not exist anymore, sadly.  They are 
different programs.  Outlook is used in work settings a lot.

 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 1:46 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email

 What is the difference between Microsoft Outlook and Outlook
 Express? Which works better with JAWS?

 Chris

 Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the 
Blind,
 1968-1986

 The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
 in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
 assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions
 which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more
 information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit
 us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
 To: <freethaught at gmail.com>,"National Association of Blind
 Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:22:51 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email

 Hi I use outlook express ad fid it works great
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Antonio Guimaraes" <freethaught at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:02 AM
 Subject: [nabs-l] managing email


 Hello,

 I'm wondering how some of you find a way to manage email most
 effectively.
 What one program do you find fits most of your needs?

 I find myself using Thunderbird on a windows XP machine, and 2
 windows 7
 setups.

 I have outlook express on the XP machine, and use Mac OS mail
 program at
 times.

 I have the option to use Outlook 2000 and Outlook 2007, but I
 remember not
 liking Outlook for one reason or another.  I would set it up
 with my gmail
 accounts to see what added features I can get out of the 2007
 one, since
 it is newer and bound to be more feature-rich.

 I often mail from the iPhone.

 This almost infinit number of options is daunting since each
 program sorts
 messages differently, has its own addressbook, and so on.

 I have yet to be able to find out how I can purchase a Microsoft
 Exchange
 account which may be the most logical solution to my problem.
 Quite
 frankly I've only gotten general information and instruction on
 setting
 one up.

 Any thoughts?

 Antonio



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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:48:45 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:48:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f0393fd.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92ea@mx.google.com>

If you're talking about the cartridges from NLS, they won't work 
on the Stream.  They only work on the NLS player.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:55:32 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Actually, I have never used it with a cartridge, so I 
unfortunately cannot
help you with that part, but I can help with running it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
 I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main 
problem,
 (putting the darn thing in!)
 Thanks again.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off 
list.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 Joshua,
 I use the cd player too.  The new victor reader strattus allows 
you to
 play

 daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I 
think a sd
 card.  I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure 
out.

 I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the 
learning
 ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the 
blind
 now.

 They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their 
website,
 including the download features, is not very user friendly.  For 
instance
 before in your book search results you could press H to see each 
book
 title and information underneath it.  Now they are tables and 
you only
 see
 the book in a link.  And they have pictures of each book cover.  
Notice
 jaws

 saying graphic a million times; that is because they added 
pictures to
 the

 book catalog.  And with more links and clutter, you cannot find 
the text
 as

 easily.

 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a
 cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something

 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use
 their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning
 Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:48:42 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:48:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f0393fa.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92e8@mx.google.com>

Yes.  Hopefully you can get that authorization thing for BARD to 
work!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:34:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Joshua,
You get books for your vr stream by downloading.  I suggest you 
start with
NLS bard as its easier.  Download books and save them to your sd 
card for
your vr stream.  Then once you get that, try learning ally.
You will never have a digital book for your stream unless you 
download one.
Oh, and if you have an audible membership or just purchase a book 
from them,
your stream plays those books too; the site www.audible.com has 
thousands of
books.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:45 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
I don't have any books for it, now.
I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  
It's
 really quite simple.
 Patrick

 On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:48:40 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:48:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f0393f8.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92e4@mx.google.com>

Just curious; why Scott LaBarre? I'm contacting Dr.  Maurer!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:34:53 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Ashley, why not start this discussion on the NFB-Talk list.
I'd even contact Scott LaBarr about this.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Joshua,
 I use the cd player too.  The new victor reader strattus allows 
you to play
 daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I 
think a sd card.
 I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.

 I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the 
learning ally
 downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind 
now.  They
 took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their 
website, including
 the download features, is not very user friendly.  For instance 
before in
 your book search results you could press H to see each book 
title and
 information underneath it.  Now they are tables and you only see 
the book in
 a link.  And they have pictures of each book cover.  Notice jaws 
saying
 graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to 
the book
 catalog.  And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the 
text as
 easily.

 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus, which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating 
something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan  3 23:57:10 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:57:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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References: <4f0393ec.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92d7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOtQ_yF9iE_BPSGFj6PBn7qj_04MbcGOdLR2-HoDVQ4dnA@mail.gmail.com>

It's not the stream.
I thought it was.
It's the new NLS digital player.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/3/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> You should have some sample books which came with your Stream, if
> it's like mine.  They are in the Talking Books bookshelf.  Hit
> the bookshelf key (which is like the number 1 on a phone keypad,
> which is what the Stream's keypad is designed like) until it says
> "talking books." Then to move between the books, hit the 4
> (previous book) and 6 (next book) keys.  Also, I would recommend
> turning the key describer on by pressing and holding the 0 key,
> then hitting each key on the keypad so you know what it does.
> Hope this helps,
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:45:02 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
> I don't have any books for it, now.
> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Joshua,
>  E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.
> It's
>  really quite simple.
>  Patrick
>
>  On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>  Wow!
>  I still use the CD player for my classes.
>  I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>  Blessings, Joshua
>
>  On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>  Antonio,
>  What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out
> the
>  download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
> changed
>  it.
>  I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you
> have a cd
>  player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
> longer
>  offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr
> classic,  more
>  probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and
> thankfully it
>  works!
>  Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd
> player is
>  IMO
>  easy to use and simple.
>
>  Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr
> strattus,
>  which
>  both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many
> places like
>  nls
>  and learning ally.
>
>  I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.
> With
>  changing
>  their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on
> learning
>  disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for
> politically
>  correct
>  purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that
> blind people
>  have
>  depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't
> let them
>  forget
>  us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
> something
>  is
>  not accessible won't help.
>
>  Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
> complex
>  organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from
> the main
>  page
>  and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
> anymore
>  without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books
> with the
>  same
>  or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>  frustrated,
>  Ashley
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Antonio Guimaraes
>  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>  To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>  Dear NABS members,
>
>  It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally
> download
>  features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
> services
>  we've come to know in previous years.
>
>  Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to
> use their
>  new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to
> their You
>  Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to
> people like
>  you for some feedback.
>
>  There are several reports that blind readers can not use
> Learning Ally's
>  download features.
>
>  I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too
> have come
>  up against issues with the download service.
>
>  The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
> access
>  from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
> providing
>  access to recorded texts for blind users.
>
>  Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported
> issues, and
>  hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an
> oversight on
>  Learning Ally's part.
>
>  Sincerely,
>
>  Antonio Guimaraes
>
>
>
>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Jan  4 00:22:13 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:22:13 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Message-ID: <5D513AD07B3C434897367C0BEF888600@stanford.edu>

The VR Stream should have come with a short cable that has a USB port on one 
end. I have never used it with a cartridge, but it should work.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


> Really? How?
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real 
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a 
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be 
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:35:08 -0800
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> You can use cartridges with the VR Stream.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
> Joshua,
> Actually you do not use cartriges with vr stream.  you only use sd cards.
> it only takes little sd cards.
> Its easy to slide in; it only goes one way; it took me a few tries to
> figure out the right way as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
> I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main problem,
> (putting the darn thing in!)
> Thanks again.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off list.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
> Joshua,
> I use the cd player too.  The new victor reader strattus allows you to
> play
>
> daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I think a sd
> card.  I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.
>
> I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the learning
> ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind
> now.
>
> They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their website,
> including the download features, is not very user friendly.  For instance
> before in your book search results you could press H to see each book
> title and information underneath it.  Now they are tables and you only
> see
> the book in a link.  And they have pictures of each book cover.  Notice
> jaws
>
> saying graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to
> the
>
> book catalog.  And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the text
> as
>
> easily.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Wow!
> I still use the CD player for my classes.
> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Antonio,
> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
> it.
> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have a
> cd
> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
> works!
> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
> IMO
> easy to use and simple.
>
> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
> which
> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
> nls
> and learning ally.
>
> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
> changing
> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
> correct
> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
> have
> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let them
> forget
> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
> something
>
> is
> not accessible won't help.
>
> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and complex
> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
> page
> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with the
> same
> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
> frustrated,
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Guimaraes
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Dear NABS members,
>
> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
> we've come to know in previous years.
>
> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
> their
> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
> you for some feedback.
>
> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
> Ally's
> download features.
>
> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have come
> up against issues with the download service.
>
> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>
> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
> Learning Ally's part.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
>
>
>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Jan  4 00:23:08 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:23:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
References: <4f0393f5.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92e1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <EEA19FB3F0174146A7E86DF5F1477FA6@stanford.edu>

Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get, especially once 
you get into college.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream read a 
>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD route 
>whenever possible.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real 
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a 
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be 
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT 
> files.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
> I don't have any books for it, now.
> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
> really quite simple.
> Patrick
>
> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Wow!
> I still use the CD player for my classes.
> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Antonio,
> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
> it.
> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have a
> cd
> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
> works!
> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
> IMO
> easy to use and simple.
>
> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
> which
> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
> nls
> and learning ally.
>
> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
> changing
> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
> correct
> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
> have
> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let them
> forget
> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
> something
> is
> not accessible won't help.
>
> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and complex
> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
> page
> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with the
> same
> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
> frustrated,
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Guimaraes
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Dear NABS members,
>
> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
> we've come to know in previous years.
>
> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
> their
> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
> you for some feedback.
>
> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
> Ally's
> download features.
>
> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have come
> up against issues with the download service.
>
> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>
> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
> Learning Ally's part.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan  4 00:25:46 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:25:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <EEA19FB3F0174146A7E86DF5F1477FA6@stanford.edu>
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	<EEA19FB3F0174146A7E86DF5F1477FA6@stanford.edu>
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That RFBD route is what I'm dealing with, now.
It's now Learning Ally, but they need to go back to their old name.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/3/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get, especially once
> you get into college.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
>>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream read a
>>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD route
>>whenever possible.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT
>> files.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>>
>> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>> I don't have any books for it, now.
>> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>> really quite simple.
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Wow!
>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Antonio,
>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>> it.
>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have a
>> cd
>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>> works!
>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>> IMO
>> easy to use and simple.
>>
>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>> which
>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>> nls
>> and learning ally.
>>
>> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
>> changing
>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>> correct
>> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>> have
>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let them
>> forget
>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>> something
>> is
>> not accessible won't help.
>>
>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and complex
>> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>> page
>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with the
>> same
>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>> frustrated,
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> Dear NABS members,
>>
>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>
>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>> their
>> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>> you for some feedback.
>>
>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>> Ally's
>> download features.
>>
>> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have come
>> up against issues with the download service.
>>
>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>
>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>> Learning Ally's part.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 00:48:24 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:48:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f03a1f8.2a71340a.0da0.53fc@mx.google.com>

Again, I think the Federation should take this on.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:53:42 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Carley,
Right; as I said, when they changed their name to be so called 
inclusive,
they took the name blind out and from their actions seem less 
blind focussed
than they used to be.  Yes they served blind people for years, 
that is how
they started.  Perhaps with some polite advocacy, they will 
change their site
and make once again more blind friendly.  I believe they still 
have some
blind staff.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carly
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:48 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; 
National
Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Good morning Josh, Ashley and any other interesteds,

It is my strong belief that, removing all reference to blind, 
from
the name might serve to parallel the difficulties wwe are now 
having
accessing this supposed, ally! It is another charade that is 
meant to
appear inclusive, but really isn't.  How unfortunate is it that 
the
initial population RFB was meant to serve, now is rendered
decisively, removed from anything resembling blind peoples' 
alliance!
Carly
Ashley, why not start this discussion on the NFB-Talk list.
I'd even contact Scott LaBarr about this.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Joshua,
 I use the cd player too.  The new victor reader strattus allows 
you to
 play
 daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I 
think
 a sd card.
 I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure out.

 I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the
 learning ally
 downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the blind 
now.
 They
 took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their 
website,
 including
 the download features, is not very user friendly.  For instance 
before in
 your book search results you could press H to see each book 
title and
 information underneath it.  Now they are tables and you only see 
the book
 in
 a link.  And they have pictures of each book cover.  Notice jaws 
saying
 graphic a million times; that is because they added pictures to 
the book
 catalog.  And with more links and clutter, you cannot find the 
text as
 easily.

 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a
 cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use
 their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning
 Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 00:48:28 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:48:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question
Message-ID: <4f03a1fc.2a71340a.0da0.53fe@mx.google.com>

Hi everyone,

How do I join a group on the Facebook mobile site?
Thanks for any help,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 01:09:47 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:09:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring Program for Blind Students
Message-ID: <4f03a6fc.45c3e00a.37ec.ffff8471@mx.google.com>

Hi Arielle and everyone,

Blind Industries and Services of Maryland (BISM) is also having a 
mentoring program for blind teens and young adults (ages 14-24) 
living in the Maryland area.  The students, referred to by BISM 
as proteges, will be paired with a successful blind adult mentor 
who has the same interests and/or is working in the same career 
field the protege is interested in.  For more information about 
this mentoring program, contact Amy Phelps at aphelps at bism.org.  
Just passing this along for anyone interested!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:00:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring Program for Blind Students

Dear students,
The Rehabilitation Research and Training Center (RRTC) on 
blindness at
Mississippi State University is  developing and studying a 
mentoring
program for blind college and graduate students.  They are 
looking for
more students to participate  who are graduating from college or 
grad
school between April 2012 and December 2014.  Students will be 
matched
with blind professionals working in their field of interest.  You 
will
have opportunities to meet face-to-face with your mentor and do 
job
shadowing and other career building activities over a one-year 
period.
You will also be asked to fill out some short surveys throughout 
the
mentoring period and after you graduate, to assess whether the
mentoring helps you to achieve your employment goals.
Please check out the attached flyer and fill out the eligibility
survey if interested.  They are also looking for mentors, so if 
you are
a blind professional or recently retired, please consider 
applying.
Best,
Arielle Silverman, Consultant to the RRTC

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 01:36:32 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:36:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f03ad40.0849e00a.4172.0fc4@mx.google.com>

Would you be interested in helping to write it?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:59:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Chris,
sounds good.  When the letter is written, let us know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 5:52 PM
To: freethaught at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind 
Students mailing
list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Hi all,

Wow! It does seem that way! A few of us are planning to contact
Dr.  Maurer about this and to write a letter to Learning Ally
stating the inaccessibility of their download manager software,
and explaining how critical it is that they make it accessible.
We need stories from our fellow students explaining what RFBD has
done for them and the barriers the inaccessibility of their
software that would be placed on blind students who need their
textbooks in an accessible digital format.  Please contact me if
you are interested.

Perhaps this is also an issue which the Federation should take
on, which is why I'm contacting Dr.  Maurer.  I would suggest
that a resolution be written for consideration and passage at
national convention, but I believe national convention in early
July would be too late for us to address this issue; I think it
should be addressed as soon as possible by the students division
and/or the Federation at large.  If you have any thoughts or are
interested in helping us by writing a story for the letter we
will write to RFBD, please contact me.
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind,
1968-1986

The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth
in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing
assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions
which help them be equal with their sighted peers.  For more
information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit
us online at www.icanfoundation.info!

----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:35:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Dear NABS members,

It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
services
we've come to know in previous years.

Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to
use their
new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their
You
Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people
like
you for some feedback.

There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
Ally's
download features.

I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too
have come
up against issues with the download service.

The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
access
from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
providing
access to recorded texts for blind users.

Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported
issues, and
hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an
oversight on
Learning Ally's part.

Sincerely,

Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 01:36:37 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:36:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f03ad45.0849e00a.4172.0fc9@mx.google.com>

Thanks!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:22:13 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

The VR Stream should have come with a short cable that has a USB 
port on one
end.  I have never used it with a cartridge, but it should work.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 Really? How?

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real
 problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a
 blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness 
can be
 reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:35:08 -0800
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 You can use cartridges with the VR Stream.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 Joshua,
 Actually you do not use cartriges with vr stream.  you only use 
sd cards.
 it only takes little sd cards.
 Its easy to slide in; it only goes one way; it took me a few 
tries to
 figure out the right way as well.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:50 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Thanks, Nicole, for the offer.
 I'll do, when I get the cartredge, because that's my main 
problem,
 (putting the darn thing in!)
 Thanks again.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 If you would like help using the VR Stream, you can email me off 
list.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 Joshua,
 I use the cd player too.  The new victor reader strattus allows 
you to
 play

 daisy cds as well as  a USB slot for downloaded books and I 
think a sd
 card.  I have a vr stream, but like you I find it hard to figure 
out.

 I've also heard of other blind people having problems with the 
learning
 ally downloads.  Sadly, they are not really much an ally to the 
blind
 now.

 They took blind out of their name and as I said, I feel their 
website,
 including the download features, is not very user friendly.  For 
instance
 before in your book search results you could press H to see each 
book
 title and information underneath it.  Now they are tables and 
you only
 see
 the book in a link.  And they have pictures of each book cover.  
Notice
 jaws

 saying graphic a million times; that is because they added 
pictures to
 the

 book catalog.  And with more links and clutter, you cannot find 
the text
 as

 easily.

 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a
 cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something

 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use
 their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning
 Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 01:36:38 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:36:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f03ad46.0849e00a.4172.0fcb@mx.google.com>

Yes, I understand.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:23:08 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get, 
especially once
you get into college.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the 
Stream read a
book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD 
route
whenever possible.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real
 problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a
 blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness 
can be
 reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and 
reads TXT
 files.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
 I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
 I don't have any books for it, now.
 I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  
It's
 really quite simple.
 Patrick

 On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a
 cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use
 their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning
 Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 01:36:35 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:36:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f03ad43.0849e00a.4172.0fc8@mx.google.com>

Oh, ok.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:57:10 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

It's not the stream.
I thought it was.
It's the new NLS digital player.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/3/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 You should have some sample books which came with your Stream, 
if
 it's like mine.  They are in the Talking Books bookshelf.  Hit
 the bookshelf key (which is like the number 1 on a phone keypad,
 which is what the Stream's keypad is designed like) until it 
says
 "talking books." Then to move between the books, hit the 4
 (previous book) and 6 (next book) keys.  Also, I would recommend
 turning the key describer on by pressing and holding the 0 key,
 then hitting each key on the keypad so you know what it does.
 Hope this helps,

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:45:02 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
 I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
 I don't have any books for it, now.
 I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
  Joshua,
  E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.
 It's
  really quite simple.
  Patrick

  On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> 
wrote:
  Wow!
  I still use the CD player for my classes.
  I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
  Blessings, Joshua

  On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
  Antonio,
  What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure 
out
 the
  download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
 changed
  it.
  I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you
 have a cd
  player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware 
no
 longer
  offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr
 classic,  more
  probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and
 thankfully it
  works!
  Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd
 player is
  IMO
  easy to use and simple.

  Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr
 strattus,
  which
  both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many
 places like
  nls
  and learning ally.

  I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.
 With
  changing
  their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on
 learning
  disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for
 politically
  correct
  purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that
 blind people
  have
  depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't
 let them
  forget
  us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  
Stating
 something
  is
  not accessible won't help.

  Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
 complex
  organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from
 the main
  page
  and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
 anymore
  without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books
 with the
  same
  or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
  frustrated,
  Ashley

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Antonio Guimaraes
  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
  To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

  Dear NABS members,

  It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally
 download
  features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
 services
  we've come to know in previous years.

  Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to
 use their
  new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to
 their You
  Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to
 people like
  you for some feedback.

  There are several reports that blind readers can not use
 Learning Ally's
  download features.

  I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too
 have come
  up against issues with the download service.

  The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
 access
  from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
 providing
  access to recorded texts for blind users.

  Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported
 issues, and
  hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an
 oversight on
  Learning Ally's part.

  Sincerely,

  Antonio Guimaraes




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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  4 02:00:21 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:00:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <4f0393f5.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92e1@mx.google.com>
References: <4f0393f5.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92e1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A7785259DA8F4524B6E85BF9A59E4B71@OwnerPC>

I agree. I use learning ally for that reason. I want a human reading a 
textbook to me.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 6:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the
Stream read a book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and
would go the RFBD route whenever possible.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads
TXT files.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
I don't have any books for it, now.
I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
Joshua,
E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.
It's
really quite simple.
Patrick

On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
Wow!
I still use the CD player for my classes.
I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Antonio,
What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out
the
download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
changed
it.
I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you
have a
cd
player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
longer
offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr
classic,  more
probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and
thankfully it
works!
Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd
player is
IMO
easy to use and simple.

Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr
strattus,
which
both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many
places like
nls
and learning ally.

I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.
With
changing
their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on
learning
disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for
politically
correct
purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that
blind people
have
depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't
let them
forget
us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
something
is
not accessible won't help.

Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
complex
organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from
the main
page
and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
anymore
without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books
with the
same
or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
frustrated,
Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Guimaraes
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Dear NABS members,

It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally
download
features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
services
we've come to know in previous years.

Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to
use
their
new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to
their You
Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to
people like
you for some feedback.

There are several reports that blind readers can not use
Learning
Ally's
download features.

I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too
have come
up against issues with the download service.

The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
access
from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
providing
access to recorded texts for blind users.

Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported
issues, and
hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an
oversight on
Learning Ally's part.

Sincerely,

Antonio Guimaraes




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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  4 02:03:31 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:03:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <4f0393fc.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92e9@mx.google.com>
References: <4f0393fc.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92e9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AE4D486A393541C082BFA73E11C1DB69@OwnerPC>

Chris,
Everyone signed up for NLS gets the digital player from them. they 
distributed it after they stopped producing cassettes. So why wouldn't 
Joshua have one. Its free just as cassette players are and their cartriges 
are very easy to use and you mail the container back to them just like a 
tape would be.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 6:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

So you have the NLS player?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:37:34 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I get cartredges from NLS.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Joshua,
You get books for your vr stream by downloading.  I suggest you
start with
NLS bard as its easier.  Download books and save them to your sd
card for
your vr stream.  Then once you get that, try learning ally.
You will never have a digital book for your stream unless you
download one.
Oh, and if you have an audible membership or just purchase a
book from them,
your stream plays those books too; the site www.audible.com has
thousands of
books.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:45 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
I don't have any books for it, now.
I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
Joshua,
E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.
It's
really quite simple.
Patrick

On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
Wow!
I still use the CD player for my classes.
I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Antonio,
What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out
the
download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
changed
it.
I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you
have a cd
player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
longer
offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr
classic,  more
probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and
thankfully it
works!
Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd
player is
IMO
easy to use and simple.

Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr
strattus,
which
both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many
places like
nls
and learning ally.

I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.
With
changing
their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on
learning
disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for
politically
correct
purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that
blind people
have
depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't
let them
forget
us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
something
is
not accessible won't help.

Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
complex
organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from
the main
page
and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
anymore
without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books
with the
same
or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
frustrated,
Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Guimaraes
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Dear NABS members,

It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally
download
features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
services
we've come to know in previous years.

Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to
use their
new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to
their You
Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to
people like
you for some feedback.

There are several reports that blind readers can not use
Learning Ally's
download features.

I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too
have come
up against issues with the download service.

The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
access
from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
providing
access to recorded texts for blind users.

Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported
issues, and
hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an
oversight on
Learning Ally's part.

Sincerely,

Antonio Guimaraes




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From zach2012 at chickerland.com  Wed Jan  4 02:07:49 2012
From: zach2012 at chickerland.com (Zach)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:07:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question
In-Reply-To: <4f03a1fc.2a71340a.0da0.53fe@mx.google.com>
References: <4f03a1fc.2a71340a.0da0.53fe@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9A9C3871F46048EBA01AECC6DB14A298@ZachlaptopPC>

type in their name at the search box, click start, fing their name from the 
list and then click join group



Zach Dreicer-Griego
Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 5:48 PM
To: NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question

Hi everyone,

How do I join a group on the Facebook mobile site?
Thanks for any help,

Chris

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real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  4 02:09:01 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:09:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Joshua,
They will never go back to their old name. Lets not fight about that. They 
changed their name, like it or not.
So lets work with them to make their site accessible and stop go forward. 
Stop saying what you wish since they made a decision and they will stick 
with it. You know blind patrons are the minority; they have a larger 
learning disabled population than blind ones now. They are broadening their 
focus
to serve more people. Somehow the thoughts of blind people slipped through 
with the design of their site.

Again, lets work with what we have.
-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

That RFBD route is what I'm dealing with, now.
It's now Learning Ally, but they need to go back to their old name.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/3/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get, especially 
> once
> you get into college.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
>>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream read a
>>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD route
>>whenever possible.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT
>> files.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>>
>> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>> I don't have any books for it, now.
>> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>> really quite simple.
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Wow!
>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Antonio,
>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>> it.
>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have a
>> cd
>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>> works!
>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>> IMO
>> easy to use and simple.
>>
>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>> which
>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>> nls
>> and learning ally.
>>
>> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
>> changing
>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>> correct
>> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>> have
>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let them
>> forget
>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>> something
>> is
>> not accessible won't help.
>>
>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and complex
>> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>> page
>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with the
>> same
>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>> frustrated,
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> Dear NABS members,
>>
>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>
>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>> their
>> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>> you for some feedback.
>>
>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>> Ally's
>> download features.
>>
>> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have come
>> up against issues with the download service.
>>
>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>
>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>> Learning Ally's part.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 02:13:22 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:13:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f03b5e2.45c3e00a.37ec.ffff8a3f@mx.google.com>

I don't know if they handled this differently in different 
states, but here in Maryland the notice was sent out to all 
patrons that they were offering the player for free to any patron 
of the library, but we had a choice as to whether we wanted to 
get one or not.  Since I already have the Stream, I didn't choose 
to get one.  To be honest, if I didn't have the Stream already, I 
would have gotten it.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:03:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Chris,
Everyone signed up for NLS gets the digital player from them.  
they
distributed it after they stopped producing cassettes.  So why 
wouldn't
Joshua have one.  Its free just as cassette players are and their 
cartriges
are very easy to use and you mail the container back to them just 
like a
tape would be.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 6:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

So you have the NLS player?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:37:34 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I get cartredges from NLS.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Joshua,
You get books for your vr stream by downloading.  I suggest you
start with
NLS bard as its easier.  Download books and save them to your sd
card for
your vr stream.  Then once you get that, try learning ally.
You will never have a digital book for your stream unless you
download one.
Oh, and if you have an audible membership or just purchase a
book from them,
your stream plays those books too; the site www.audible.com has
thousands of
books.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:45 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
I don't have any books for it, now.
I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
Joshua,
E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.
It's
really quite simple.
Patrick

On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
Wow!
I still use the CD player for my classes.
I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Antonio,
What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out
the
download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
changed
it.
I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you
have a cd
player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
longer
offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr
classic,  more
probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and
thankfully it
works!
Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd
player is
IMO
easy to use and simple.

Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr
strattus,
which
both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many
places like
nls
and learning ally.

I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.
With
changing
their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on
learning
disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for
politically
correct
purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that
blind people
have
depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't
let them
forget
us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
something
is
not accessible won't help.

Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
complex
organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from
the main
page
and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
anymore
without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books
with the
same
or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
frustrated,
Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Guimaraes
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Dear NABS members,

It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally
download
features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
services
we've come to know in previous years.

Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to
use their
new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to
their You
Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to
people like
you for some feedback.

There are several reports that blind readers can not use
Learning Ally's
download features.

I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too
have come
up against issues with the download service.

The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
access
from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
providing
access to recorded texts for blind users.

Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported
issues, and
hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an
oversight on
Learning Ally's part.

Sincerely,

Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 02:13:20 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:13:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f03b5e0.45c3e00a.37ec.ffff8a3d@mx.google.com>

I think it makes it that much easier to understand, although some 
RFBD readers are very monitone and sometimes stumble over words, 
but you get what you get with volunteers.  I really like how 
their narrators describe pictures in the textbook to the reader.  
A lot of Braille transcribers would never describe the picture 
and just omit it from the Braille version, which annoyed me 
sometimes, especially in science textbooks.  I really wish NLS 
did textbooks, but I don't think they'll get into the textbook 
business any time soon.  Well, do
they do textbooks?
Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:00:21 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I agree.  I use learning ally for that reason.  I want a human 
reading a
textbook to me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 6:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the
Stream read a book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and
would go the RFBD route whenever possible.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
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To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads
TXT files.

----- Original Message -----
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To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
I don't have any books for it, now.
I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
Joshua,
E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.
It's
really quite simple.
Patrick

On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
Wow!
I still use the CD player for my classes.
I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Antonio,
What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out
the
download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
changed
it.
I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you
have a
cd
player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
longer
offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr
classic,  more
probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and
thankfully it
works!
Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd
player is
IMO
easy to use and simple.

Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr
strattus,
which
both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many
places like
nls
and learning ally.

I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.
With
changing
their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on
learning
disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for
politically
correct
purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that
blind people
have
depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't
let them
forget
us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
something
is
not accessible won't help.

Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
complex
organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from
the main
page
and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
anymore
without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books
with the
same
or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
frustrated,
Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Guimaraes
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Dear NABS members,

It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally
download
features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
services
we've come to know in previous years.

Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to
use
their
new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to
their You
Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to
people like
you for some feedback.

There are several reports that blind readers can not use
Learning
Ally's
download features.

I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too
have come
up against issues with the download service.

The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
access
from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
providing
access to recorded texts for blind users.

Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported
issues, and
hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an
oversight on
Learning Ally's part.

Sincerely,

Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 02:15:55 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:15:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question
Message-ID: <4f03b67b.85cae00a.3dc5.0aed@mx.google.com>

Is that a button or a link? I haven't found anything on the 
mobile site that says "join group."

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
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Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:07:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

type in their name at the search box, click start, fing their 
name from the
list and then click join group



Zach Dreicer-Griego
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Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 5:48 PM
To: NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question

Hi everyone,

How do I join a group on the Facebook mobile site?
Thanks for any help,

Chris

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real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
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From zach2012 at chickerland.com  Wed Jan  4 02:20:09 2012
From: zach2012 at chickerland.com (Zach)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:20:09 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question
In-Reply-To: <4f03b67b.85cae00a.3dc5.0aed@mx.google.com>
References: <4f03b67b.85cae00a.3dc5.0aed@mx.google.com>
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I'll call and we can try to trouble shoot at that time



Zach Dreicer-Griego
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Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:15 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

Is that a button or a link? I haven't found anything on the
mobile site that says "join group."

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:07:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

type in their name at the search box, click start, fing their
name from the
list and then click join group



Zach Dreicer-Griego
Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 5:48 PM
To: NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question

Hi everyone,

How do I join a group on the Facebook mobile site?
Thanks for any help,

Chris

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  4 02:56:46 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:56:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NlS Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <4f03b5e0.45c3e00a.37ec.ffff8a3d@mx.google.com>
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Chris,
While nls does not do texts and probably will never do it, after all it’s a 
government entity, they do offer classics and novels. So when my class read 
such a book, I might use them. For instance classics like The good earth, to 
kill a mockingbird, A separate peace and the great gadsby.
So NLS has been helpful in my academic pursuits sometimes, like for english 
and history.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I think it makes it that much easier to understand, although some
RFBD readers are very monitone and sometimes stumble over words,
but you get what you get with volunteers.  I really like how
their narrators describe pictures in the textbook to the reader.
A lot of Braille transcribers would never describe the picture
and just omit it from the Braille version, which annoyed me
sometimes, especially in science textbooks.  I really wish NLS
did textbooks, but I don't think they'll get into the textbook
business any time soon.  Well, do
they do textbooks?
Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:00:21 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I agree.  I use learning ally for that reason.  I want a human
reading a
textbook to me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 6:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the
Stream read a book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and
would go the RFBD route whenever possible.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads
TXT files.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
I don't have any books for it, now.
I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
Joshua,
E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.
It's
really quite simple.
Patrick

On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
Wow!
I still use the CD player for my classes.
I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Antonio,
What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out
the
download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
changed
it.
I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you
have a
cd
player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
longer
offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr
classic,  more
probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and
thankfully it
works!
Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd
player is
IMO
easy to use and simple.

Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr
strattus,
which
both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many
places like
nls
and learning ally.

I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.
With
changing
their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on
learning
disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for
politically
correct
purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that
blind people
have
depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't
let them
forget
us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
something
is
not accessible won't help.

Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
complex
organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from
the main
page
and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
anymore
without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books
with the
same
or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
frustrated,
Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Guimaraes
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Dear NABS members,

It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally
download
features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
services
we've come to know in previous years.

Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to
use
their
new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to
their You
Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to
people like
you for some feedback.

There are several reports that blind readers can not use
Learning
Ally's
download features.

I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too
have come
up against issues with the download service.

The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
access
from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
providing
access to recorded texts for blind users.

Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported
issues, and
hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an
oversight on
Learning Ally's part.

Sincerely,

Antonio Guimaraes




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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 06:03:58 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:03:58 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question
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On the moble site go to the search box and type in the name of the group you
want to join and than click join once you see the name of the group you want
to become a member of.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Zach
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 6:20 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

I'll call and we can try to trouble shoot at that time



Zach Dreicer-Griego
Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:15 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

Is that a button or a link? I haven't found anything on the
mobile site that says "join group."

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
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To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:07:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

type in their name at the search box, click start, fing their
name from the
list and then click join group



Zach Dreicer-Griego
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 5:48 PM
To: NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question

Hi everyone,

How do I join a group on the Facebook mobile site?
Thanks for any help,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  4 03:41:42 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:41:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] daisy players
Message-ID: <77FFE6AD05C74B39835288D7607927C8@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I know humanware sells victor reader, vr, products which play daisy cds. 
They don’t have many options though. I’m disappointed they discontinued the vr classic and vr wave. 

What is the vr stream cd edition? Is the attachment a daisy cd player or just a way to transfer cds to the stream?
The description said

VR Stream CD Edition combines the world renowned VR Stream and a special CD player accessory. Ideal for readers who do not use a personal computer and who want the benefit of a pocket size Stream DAISY/MP3 player.

Also the VR stratus has a CD slot as well as ability to use SD cards and USB drives for books/music.
Are ther other daisy cd players out there? They seem to be fewer as many just download to computers and transfer to sd cards. Just wondering other options. I prefer daisy cds. While I do have a computer and internet, not everyone does, so its good to have these daisy cds.

I wasn’t sure if freedom scientific’s player was just for SD cards or whether it had a CD player too. I think its called the Plextor pocket or something like that.

Thanks.
Ashley

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 04:04:26 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:04:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: brailler for Haiti
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The below comes from a blind friend of mine. I think it's a great
cause. If you have a Brailler you'd be willing to donate to a blind
child in an orphanage in Haiti, if you want to donate money or if you
know where an inexpensive Brailler could be purchased, please contact
Amelia at
ameliadickerson at gmail.com
or you can write to me. Thanks!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Amelia Dickerson <ameliadickerson at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:14:12 -0700
Subject: brailler for Haiti
To: "Catherine M. Stager Kilcommons"
<Catherine.Stager-kilcommons at colorado.edu>, Chacon Michelle
<MChacon at adams50.org>, CHARLENE DOLL <charlene.doll at sbcglobal.net>,
Cody Bair <codyjbair at yahoo.com>, Colorado Association of Blind
Students List <cabs at nfbnet.org>, Dave Bahr
<david.c.bahr at colorado.edu>, Diane McGeorge <rmcgeorge at comcast.net>,
Doug Payne <dougpa at windows.microsoft.com>, Doug Payne
<dougpa at microsoft.com>, dreamer2289 <dreamer2289 at gmail.com>, "Eddie K.
Thieszen-Culp" <thieszen-culp at comcast.net>, Elizabeth Greenberg
<epgberg at sbcglobal.net>, Erik Weihenmayer <erik at touchthetop.com>, Esha
Mehta <esha.mehta at colorado.edu>, Esubalew Johnston
<esubalew21 at gmail.com>, ethan johnston <ethanjohnston630 at gmail.com>,
Ethan Johnston <ethanjohnston3 at hotmail.com>, "ethan.johnston"
<ethan.johnston at colorado.edu>, Jordan Marie Walters
<jordan.walters at colorado.edu>, "Karen A. Rosenschein"
<Karen.Rosenschein at colorado.edu>, Kelly Anne Mitchell
<kelly.mitchell at colorado.edu>, Kelly Dunn <kelly at handytech.us>, Lisa
Bonderson <lbonderson at labarrelaw.com>, marcus_hernandez at hotmail.com,
"Melissa R. Green" <graduate56 at juno.com>, Nijat Worley
<nijat1989 at gmail.com>, "Nijat.Worley" <Nijat.Worley at colorado.edu>,
Paulette Foss <pdfoss at gmail.com>, "Rebecca.Porter"
<Rebecca.Porter at state.co.us>, "Robin L. Van Norman"
<Robin.Vannorman at colorado.edu>, Rusty Perez <rusty.perez at gmail.com>,
Seth leblond <seth at beyondsight.com>, slabarre
<slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
Cc: "Amy E. Bainbridge" <abainbridge at cherrycreekschools.org>, ann
Cunningham <ann at acunningham.com>, Ann Cunningham
<ann at sensationalbooks.com>, antonio rozier <arozier at cocenter.org>,
Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>, "arielle.silverman"
<arielle.silverman at colorado.edu>, bbatron at cocenter.org, Belo Cipriani
<goodbelo at gmail.com>, Blindhands at aol.com, boulder-blind-buffs
<boulder-blind-buffs at googlegroups.com>, Brenda Mosby
<bmosby at cocenter.org>, Brett Campbell <brett.blindpiper at gmail.com>,
"bunadahal at dynamicbuna.com" <bunadahal at dynamicbuna.com>, Cary Supalo
<cas380 at gmail.com>

I am sending this to a broad swath of people who just might possibly
have access to some sort of resources. If nothing else, you might know
someone else who would have access to resources.

In exactly a month, I will go to Haiti, where I have a chance to
follow up with a Haitian kid who is in an orphanage and is blind. A
couple of weeks before, a TVI will have just a few days to teach him
the beginning of braille and reading, and than I can pick up with
teaching him a little bit more based on what he has done in the
intervening couple of weeks. The person who is going before me is
going to two orphanages to work with two blind kids, and she will
bring one brailler with her. The two orphanages are far enough apart
to require either a very long drive or a plane ride, so only one kid
will get a brailler. However, if I could bring a brailler with me, she
could leave the brailler with the orphanage I will not be able to go
to, and I could bring one for the kid who is in Port au Prince. Do any
of you know of a brailler that could use a loving home? That would be
the easiest solution. However, another option is that maybe you know
of a brailler that could be purchased at cost or for less than the
full market value. And finally, maybe you would be willing to donate
towards purchasing a brailler. Any donations can receive a receipt for
tax deductions.

If you want more information, I am happy to give it to anyone who is
interested. And if you can help me with networking to track down a
brailler, I would appreciate that greatly.
Amelia

-- 
Amelia Dickerson

What counts can't always be counted, and what can be counted doesn't
always count.
Albert Einstein


From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jan  4 04:40:05 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 22:40:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Looking for Blind Mentor in Knoxville, TN
Message-ID: <auto-000042307245@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>The RRTC on Blindness and Low Vision at Mississippi State University
>is beginning a nationwide mentoring program to match blind college
>students with blind professional mentors. The first group of
>mentor-mentee pairs will begin the project later this month. They are
>looking for a blind professional in the Knoxville, TN area  to mentor
>a blind student. The student is interested in a computer science
>career, but blind professionals in any field who live in or near
>Knoxville are encouraged to apply. If interested, please email Jamie
>O'Malley at
>rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu
>Thank you  for your assistance.
>Best,
>Arielle Silverman



From carlymih at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  4 05:01:01 2012
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:01:01 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,

Ally?
How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning 
Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without friends, if that's 
what they consider as such.
Car



  Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get, 
> especially once
> > you get into college.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
> >
> >
> >>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream read a
> >>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD route
> >>whenever possible.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
> >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
> >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
> >>
> >> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT
> >> files.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
> >>
> >>
> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
> >> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
> >> I don't have any books for it, now.
> >> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
> >> Blessings, Joshua
> >>
> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Joshua,
> >> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
> >> really quite simple.
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> >> Wow!
> >> I still use the CD player for my classes.
> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
> >> Blessings, Joshua
> >>
> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Antonio,
> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
> >> it.
> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have a
> >> cd
> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
> >> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
> >> works!
> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
> >> IMO
> >> easy to use and simple.
> >>
> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
> >> which
> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
> >> nls
> >> and learning ally.
> >>
> >> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
> >> changing
> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
> >> correct
> >> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
> >> have
> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let them
> >> forget
> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
> >> something
> >> is
> >> not accessible won't help.
> >>
> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and complex
> >> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
> >> page
> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
> >> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with the
> >> same
> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
> >> frustrated,
> >> Ashley
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
> >>
> >> Dear NABS members,
> >>
> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
> >> we've come to know in previous years.
> >>
> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
> >> their
> >> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
> >> you for some feedback.
> >>
> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
> >> Ally's
> >> download features.
> >>
> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have come
> >> up against issues with the download service.
> >>
> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
> >>
> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
> >> Learning Ally's part.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Antonio Guimaraes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan  4 05:06:26 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:06:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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	<EEA19FB3F0174146A7E86DF5F1477FA6@stanford.edu>
	<CAO83KOu9gZfpjCfafyVube-0d8WtvRBWHuzzbJH3n5m04ySvNQ@mail.gmail.com>
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They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
They don't care about us, anymore.
Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
Blessings, Joshua


On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
>
> Ally?
> How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
> Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without friends, if that's
> what they consider as such.
> Car
>
>
>
>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
>> especially once
>> > you get into college.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >
>> >
>> >>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream read
>> >> a
>> >>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD route
>> >>whenever possible.
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
>> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If
>> >> a
>> >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
>> >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT
>> >> files.
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>> >> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>> >> I don't have any books for it, now.
>> >> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>
>> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Joshua,
>> >> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>> >> really quite simple.
>> >> Patrick
>> >>
>> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> >> Wow!
>> >> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>
>> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> Antonio,
>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>> >> it.
>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have a
>> >> cd
>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>> >> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>> >> works!
>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>> >> IMO
>> >> easy to use and simple.
>> >>
>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>> >> which
>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>> >> nls
>> >> and learning ally.
>> >>
>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
>> >> changing
>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>> >> correct
>> >> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind
>> >> people
>> >> have
>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let them
>> >> forget
>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>> >> something
>> >> is
>> >> not accessible won't help.
>> >>
>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and complex
>> >> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the
>> >> main
>> >> page
>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>> >> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with the
>> >> same
>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>> >> frustrated,
>> >> Ashley
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >> Dear NABS members,
>> >>
>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>> >>
>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>> >> their
>> >> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>> >> you for some feedback.
>> >>
>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>> >> Ally's
>> >> download features.
>> >>
>> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have
>> >> come
>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>> >>
>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>> >>
>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> nabs-l mailing list
>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> >>
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>> >> 0earthlink.net
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Jan  4 05:12:37 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:12:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
References: <4f0393f5.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92e1@mx.google.com><EEA19FB3F0174146A7E86DF5F1477FA6@stanford.edu><CAO83KOu9gZfpjCfafyVube-0d8WtvRBWHuzzbJH3n5m04ySvNQ@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20120103205152.01d02b40@earthlink.net>
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You might be able to request a book, but don't quote me on that. The DRC at 
colleges should contact Bookshare to see if they can help.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


> They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
> They don't care about us, anymore.
> Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
> textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
>
> On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
>>
>> Ally?
>> How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
>> Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without friends, if that's
>> what they consider as such.
>> Car
>>
>>
>>
>>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
>>> especially once
>>> > you get into college.
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream 
>>> >>read
>>> >> a
>>> >>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD 
>>> >>route
>>> >>whenever possible.
>>> >>
>>> >> Chris
>>> >>
>>> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
>>> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. 
>>> >> If
>>> >> a
>>> >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can 
>>> >> be
>>> >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>> >>
>>> >> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT
>>> >> files.
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>>> >> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>>> >> I don't have any books for it, now.
>>> >> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Joshua,
>>> >> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>>> >> really quite simple.
>>> >> Patrick
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> >> Wow!
>>> >> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >> Antonio,
>>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
>>> >> changed
>>> >> it.
>>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have 
>>> >> a
>>> >> cd
>>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
>>> >> longer
>>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic, 
>>> >> more
>>> >> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully 
>>> >> it
>>> >> works!
>>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player 
>>> >> is
>>> >> IMO
>>> >> easy to use and simple.
>>> >>
>>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>> >> which
>>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places 
>>> >> like
>>> >> nls
>>> >> and learning ally.
>>> >>
>>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
>>> >> changing
>>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>> >> correct
>>> >> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind
>>> >> people
>>> >> have
>>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let 
>>> >> them
>>> >> forget
>>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>>> >> something
>>> >> is
>>> >> not accessible won't help.
>>> >>
>>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
>>> >> complex
>>> >> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the
>>> >> main
>>> >> page
>>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
>>> >> anymore
>>> >> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with 
>>> >> the
>>> >> same
>>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>> >> frustrated,
>>> >> Ashley
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear NABS members,
>>> >>
>>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
>>> >> services
>>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>>> >>
>>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>>> >> their
>>> >> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
>>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people 
>>> >> like
>>> >> you for some feedback.
>>> >>
>>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>>> >> Ally's
>>> >> download features.
>>> >>
>>> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have
>>> >> come
>>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>>> >>
>>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>> >>
>>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, 
>>> >> and
>>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sincerely,
>>> >>
>>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> nabs-l mailing list
>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> >> nabs-l:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4
>>> >> 0earthlink.net
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> nabs-l mailing list
>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>> >>
>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4
>>> >> 0students.pccua.edu
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >> nabs-l:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%
>>> >> 40gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>> >> 0students.pccua.edu
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >>
>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40
>>> >> wavecable.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >> m%40gmail.com
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>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan  4 05:20:55 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:20:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <622CDAC0B6DD4BCEBCF6282C3BC646FD@stanford.edu>
References: <4f0393f5.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92e1@mx.google.com>
	<EEA19FB3F0174146A7E86DF5F1477FA6@stanford.edu>
	<CAO83KOu9gZfpjCfafyVube-0d8WtvRBWHuzzbJH3n5m04ySvNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20120103205152.01d02b40@earthlink.net>
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That's exactly right!
We need more options, to replace these older ones, that are going away.
Is it true, that the Rightsville Prison, (Rightsville, Arkansas,) has
stopped it's Braille transcribers program?
Anmol may know this.
That's what my college keeps telling me, but I don't know where they
got that information.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/3/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> You might be able to request a book, but don't quote me on that. The DRC at
> colleges should contact Bookshare to see if they can help.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
>> They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
>> They don't care about us, anymore.
>> Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
>> textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>
>> On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
>>>
>>> Ally?
>>> How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
>>> Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without friends, if that's
>>> what they consider as such.
>>> Car
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
>>>> especially once
>>>> > you get into college.
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream
>>>> >>read
>>>> >> a
>>>> >>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD
>>>> >>route
>>>> >>whenever possible.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Chris
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
>>>> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.
>>>> >> If
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>>> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT
>>>> >> files.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>>>> >> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>>>> >> I don't have any books for it, now.
>>>> >> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Joshua,
>>>> >> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>>>> >> really quite simple.
>>>> >> Patrick
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>> >> Wow!
>>>> >> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>>> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> >> Antonio,
>>>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
>>>> >> changed
>>>> >> it.
>>>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> cd
>>>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
>>>> >> longer
>>>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,
>>>> >> more
>>>> >> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully
>>>> >> it
>>>> >> works!
>>>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> IMO
>>>> >> easy to use and simple.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>> >> which
>>>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places
>>>> >> like
>>>> >> nls
>>>> >> and learning ally.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
>>>> >> changing
>>>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>> >> correct
>>>> >> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind
>>>> >> people
>>>> >> have
>>>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let
>>>> >> them
>>>> >> forget
>>>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>>>> >> something
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> not accessible won't help.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
>>>> >> complex
>>>> >> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the
>>>> >> main
>>>> >> page
>>>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
>>>> >> anymore
>>>> >> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> same
>>>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>> >> frustrated,
>>>> >> Ashley
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dear NABS members,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
>>>> >> services
>>>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>>>> >> their
>>>> >> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
>>>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people
>>>> >> like
>>>> >> you for some feedback.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>>>> >> Ally's
>>>> >> download features.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have
>>>> >> come
>>>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues,
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sincerely,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  4 11:58:01 2012
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 03:58:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOuAoAxbVmKT=7Nushewc38rT=c76Z0pdRcLCBf4nx=Gzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1325678281.10017.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I do not know. Frankly I rearly get braille textbooks since I left ASB. The last time my university spent 10,000 dollars for a book which was not even the same book that the class was using and was not even completely done. 
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Tue, 1/3/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:

> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 11:20 PM
> That's exactly right!
> We need more options, to replace these older ones, that are
> going away.
> Is it true, that the Rightsville Prison, (Rightsville,
> Arkansas,) has
> stopped it's Braille transcribers program?
> Anmol may know this.
> That's what my college keeps telling me, but I don't know
> where they
> got that information.
> Thanks, Joshua
> 
> On 1/3/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> wrote:
> > You might be able to request a book, but don't quote
> me on that. The DRC at
> > colleges should contact Bookshare to see if they can
> help.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list"
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
> >
> >
> >> They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
> >> They don't care about us, anymore.
> >> Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only
> they start doing
> >> textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
> >> Blessings, Joshua
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
> >>>
> >>> Ally?
> >>> How can they call themselves something so
> ridiculous as Learning
> >>> Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without
> friends, if that's
> >>> what they consider as such.
> >>> Car
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just
> take what you can get,
> >>>> especially once
> >>>> > you get into college.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >>>> > To: "National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list"
> >>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48
> PM
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost
> an ally
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>I personally don't want to have
> the synthesized voice on the Stream
> >>>> >>read
> >>>> >> a
> >>>> >>book to me, especially a novel or
> textbook, and would go the RFBD
> >>>> >>route
> >>>> >>whenever possible.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Chris
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> "The real problem of blindness is
> not the loss of eyesight.  The real
> >>>> >> problem is the misunderstanding
> and lack of education that exists.
> >>>> >> If
> >>>> >> a
> >>>> >> blind person has the proper
> training and opportunity, blindness can
> >>>> >> be
> >>>> >> reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> >>>> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini
> at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> >>>> >> To: "National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012
> 20:10:14 -0800
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we
> lost an ally
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> You don't have to have a
> book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT
> >>>> >> files.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> >>>> >> To: "National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012
> 6:45 PM
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we
> lost an ally
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2
> years ago.
> >>>> >> I have one, but I'm not sure
> about working it.
> >>>> >> I don't have any books for it,
> now.
> >>>> >> I'll save your address, and
> E-mail you when I get a book.
> >>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> >> Joshua,
> >>>> >> E-mail me off list and I can help
> you figure out the Stream.  It's
> >>>> >> really quite simple.
> >>>> >> Patrick
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> wrote:
> >>>> >> Wow!
> >>>> >> I still use the CD player for my
> classes.
> >>>> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because
> I can't figure it out!
> >>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >>>> >> Antonio,
> >>>> >> What are the problems? Do you use
> jaws? I've tried to figure out the
> >>>> >> download; it took me a while to
> learn the old way, and now they
> >>>> >> changed
> >>>> >> it.
> >>>> >> I'm not the most patient with
> technology, keep in mind.  If you have
> >>>> >> a
> >>>> >> cd
> >>>> >> player, you still can order daisy
> cds, but now that humanware no
> >>>> >> longer
> >>>> >> offers the little daisy players;
> vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,
> >>>> >> more
> >>>> >> probably will download.  I
> still have my old vr wave and thankfully
> >>>> >> it
> >>>> >> works!
> >>>> >> Since as you said downloading is
> not friendly and a Daisy cd player
> >>>> >> is
> >>>> >> IMO
> >>>> >> easy to use and simple.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Humanware recently released a new
> victor reader player, vr strattus,
> >>>> >> which
> >>>> >> both plays those daisy cds and
> downloadable books from many places
> >>>> >> like
> >>>> >> nls
> >>>> >> and learning ally.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I encourage you to write learning
> ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
> >>>> >> changing
> >>>> >> their name, it seems they changed
> their mission to focus on learning
> >>>> >> disabilities without identifying
> them as disabled, for politically
> >>>> >> correct
> >>>> >> purposes.  Tell them to
> still include blind people and that blind
> >>>> >> people
> >>>> >> have
> >>>> >> depended on them for over 30
> years since they started.  Don't let
> >>>> >> them
> >>>> >> forget
> >>>> >> us and be specific as to your
> accessibility challenges.  Stating
> >>>> >> something
> >>>> >> is
> >>>> >> not accessible won't help.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard
> to navigate.  More images and
> >>>> >> complex
> >>>> >> organization.  Like no
> longer can you see the book catalog from the
> >>>> >> main
> >>>> >> page
> >>>> >> and when you search books you
> cannot read the edition/publisher
> >>>> >> anymore
> >>>> >> without clicking on something
> extra.  So I see like ten books with
> >>>> >> the
> >>>> >> same
> >>>> >> or similar name and it takes
> longer to figure out what to pick.
> >>>> >> frustrated,
> >>>> >> Ashley
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
> >>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012
> 8:35 PM
> >>>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost
> an ally
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Dear NABS members,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> It is more than obvious to me
> that the new Learning Ally download
> >>>> >> features fall short of offering
> blind screen reader users the
> >>>> >> services
> >>>> >> we've come to know in previous
> years.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Today I experienced at least an
> hour of frustrations trying to use
> >>>> >> their
> >>>> >> new and improved program for
> downloads.  I have listened to their You
> >>>> >> Tube video explaining the
> process, and then reached out to people
> >>>> >> like
> >>>> >> you for some feedback.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> There are several reports that
> blind readers can not use Learning
> >>>> >> Ally's
> >>>> >> download features.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I
> am writing to find out if you too have
> >>>> >> come
> >>>> >> up against issues with the
> download service.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The NABS division and its
> membership should not accept lack of access
> >>>> >> from an organization that has
> long been at the forefront in providing
> >>>> >> access to recorded texts for
> blind users.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Your experience will only help
> confirm some of the reported issues,
> >>>> >> and
> >>>> >> hopefully result in rectifying
> what must certainly be an oversight on
> >>>> >> Learning Ally's part.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Sincerely,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> _______________________________________________
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From AllisonH at benetech.org  Wed Jan  4 17:36:33 2012
From: AllisonH at benetech.org (Allison Hilliker)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:36:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare (Was RE:  Seems we lost an ally)
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Joshua Lester wrote: "Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
textbooks, which I doubt will happen."

Hi Joshua and others,

Yes, Bookshare does make textbooks available to its members.  We also take textbook requests from students.  You don't need to go through your disability office to request Bookshare books, you just need to request a book through the contact us link on our website http://www.bookshare.org/contactUs.  

Happy reading,
Allison Hilliker

Bookshare Collection Development Associate




-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
They don't care about us, anymore.
Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
Blessings, Joshua


On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
>
> Ally?
> How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
> Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without friends, if that's
> what they consider as such.
> Car
>
>
>
>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
>> especially once
>> > you get into college.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >
>> >
>> >>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream read
>> >> a
>> >>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD route
>> >>whenever possible.
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
>> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If
>> >> a
>> >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
>> >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT
>> >> files.
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>> >> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>> >> I don't have any books for it, now.
>> >> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>
>> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Joshua,
>> >> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>> >> really quite simple.
>> >> Patrick
>> >>
>> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> >> Wow!
>> >> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>
>> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> Antonio,
>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>> >> it.
>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have a
>> >> cd
>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>> >> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>> >> works!
>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>> >> IMO
>> >> easy to use and simple.
>> >>
>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>> >> which
>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>> >> nls
>> >> and learning ally.
>> >>
>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
>> >> changing
>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>> >> correct
>> >> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind
>> >> people
>> >> have
>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let them
>> >> forget
>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>> >> something
>> >> is
>> >> not accessible won't help.
>> >>
>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and complex
>> >> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the
>> >> main
>> >> page
>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>> >> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with the
>> >> same
>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>> >> frustrated,
>> >> Ashley
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >> Dear NABS members,
>> >>
>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>> >>
>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>> >> their
>> >> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>> >> you for some feedback.
>> >>
>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>> >> Ally's
>> >> download features.
>> >>
>> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have
>> >> come
>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>> >>
>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>> >>
>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  4 20:16:23 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:16:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOtTyL+enHgL0_Wxog9GxD0fppT4qH73jnM9wfnq23ZjDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f0393f5.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92e1@mx.google.com><EEA19FB3F0174146A7E86DF5F1477FA6@stanford.edu><CAO83KOu9gZfpjCfafyVube-0d8WtvRBWHuzzbJH3n5m04ySvNQ@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20120103205152.01d02b40@earthlink.net>
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Hi Joshua,
Actually, I think they still do good in some areas; nice customer service 
reps and they braille the cd sleeves so you know what book is inside.
I think they will redo their site if someone tells them.
And I don't know an organization that has more textbooks than learning ally. 
Now with the daisy format, you can jump to particular pages and peruse a 
book faster than before. I remember the days of four track tapes. Also, I 
know what its like to use readers, having them not show up and getting 
behind in your work or having a reader quit mid semester. So
while they are flawed, IMO its better than before.

And how can you say they don't care? Have you talked to them about it and 
gotten a response?
I doubt it. We cannot make assumptions about them without some statement 
from them. I do agree it does not seem like their an ally now. Can you have 
a sighted person help you navigate the screen till they get it fixed? You 
can still use them
Unfortunately, accessibility when you are a minority is an after thought. No 
it should not be that way, but sadly it is.

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
They don't care about us, anymore.
Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
Blessings, Joshua


On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
>
> Ally?
> How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
> Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without friends, if that's
> what they consider as such.
> Car
>
>
>
>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
>> especially once
>> > you get into college.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >
>> >
>> >>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream 
>> >>read
>> >> a
>> >>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD route
>> >>whenever possible.
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
>> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If
>> >> a
>> >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
>> >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT
>> >> files.
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>> >> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>> >> I don't have any books for it, now.
>> >> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>
>> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Joshua,
>> >> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>> >> really quite simple.
>> >> Patrick
>> >>
>> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> >> Wow!
>> >> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>
>> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> Antonio,
>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
>> >> changed
>> >> it.
>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have a
>> >> cd
>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
>> >> longer
>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic, 
>> >> more
>> >> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>> >> works!
>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>> >> IMO
>> >> easy to use and simple.
>> >>
>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>> >> which
>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places 
>> >> like
>> >> nls
>> >> and learning ally.
>> >>
>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
>> >> changing
>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>> >> correct
>> >> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind
>> >> people
>> >> have
>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let them
>> >> forget
>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>> >> something
>> >> is
>> >> not accessible won't help.
>> >>
>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
>> >> complex
>> >> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the
>> >> main
>> >> page
>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
>> >> anymore
>> >> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with the
>> >> same
>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>> >> frustrated,
>> >> Ashley
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >> Dear NABS members,
>> >>
>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>> >>
>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>> >> their
>> >> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>> >> you for some feedback.
>> >>
>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>> >> Ally's
>> >> download features.
>> >>
>> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have
>> >> come
>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>> >>
>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>> >>
>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, 
>> >> and
>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> nabs-l mailing list
>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> >> nabs-l:
>> >>
>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4
>> >> 0earthlink.net
>> >>
>> >>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  4 20:16:59 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Joshua,
Bookshare has some texts. You should get some facts before you make comments 
like these.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
They don't care about us, anymore.
Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
Blessings, Joshua


On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
>
> Ally?
> How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
> Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without friends, if that's
> what they consider as such.
> Car
>
>
>
>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
>> especially once
>> > you get into college.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >
>> >
>> >>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream 
>> >>read
>> >> a
>> >>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD route
>> >>whenever possible.
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
>> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If
>> >> a
>> >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
>> >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT
>> >> files.
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>> >> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>> >> I don't have any books for it, now.
>> >> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>
>> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Joshua,
>> >> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>> >> really quite simple.
>> >> Patrick
>> >>
>> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> >> Wow!
>> >> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>
>> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> Antonio,
>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
>> >> changed
>> >> it.
>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have a
>> >> cd
>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
>> >> longer
>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic, 
>> >> more
>> >> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>> >> works!
>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>> >> IMO
>> >> easy to use and simple.
>> >>
>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>> >> which
>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places 
>> >> like
>> >> nls
>> >> and learning ally.
>> >>
>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
>> >> changing
>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>> >> correct
>> >> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind
>> >> people
>> >> have
>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let them
>> >> forget
>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>> >> something
>> >> is
>> >> not accessible won't help.
>> >>
>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
>> >> complex
>> >> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the
>> >> main
>> >> page
>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
>> >> anymore
>> >> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with the
>> >> same
>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>> >> frustrated,
>> >> Ashley
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>> >>
>> >> Dear NABS members,
>> >>
>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>> >>
>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>> >> their
>> >> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>> >> you for some feedback.
>> >>
>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>> >> Ally's
>> >> download features.
>> >>
>> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have
>> >> come
>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>> >>
>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>> >>
>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, 
>> >> and
>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 20:26:27 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:26:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
References: <4f0393f5.47c2e00a.520a.ffff92e1@mx.google.com><EEA19FB3F0174146A7E86DF5F1477FA6@stanford.edu><CAO83KOu9gZfpjCfafyVube-0d8WtvRBWHuzzbJH3n5m04ySvNQ@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20120103205152.01d02b40@earthlink.net><CAO83KOtTyL+enHgL0_Wxog9GxD0fppT4qH73jnM9wfnq23ZjDw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,
Can anyone tell me when down loading books from bookshare, if I want to put 
the book on my victor stream I thought I should download the daizy version 
of the book. When I extract the zipped file I get a few choices like DTD or 
html. Which of the files do I choose to put on my stream? Thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


> Hi Joshua,
> Actually, I think they still do good in some areas; nice customer service 
> reps and they braille the cd sleeves so you know what book is inside.
> I think they will redo their site if someone tells them.
> And I don't know an organization that has more textbooks than learning 
> ally. Now with the daisy format, you can jump to particular pages and 
> peruse a book faster than before. I remember the days of four track tapes. 
> Also, I know what its like to use readers, having them not show up and 
> getting behind in your work or having a reader quit mid semester. So
> while they are flawed, IMO its better than before.
>
> And how can you say they don't care? Have you talked to them about it and 
> gotten a response?
> I doubt it. We cannot make assumptions about them without some statement 
> from them. I do agree it does not seem like their an ally now. Can you 
> have a sighted person help you navigate the screen till they get it fixed? 
> You can still use them
> Unfortunately, accessibility when you are a minority is an after thought. 
> No it should not be that way, but sadly it is.
>
> Ashley
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
> They don't care about us, anymore.
> Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
> textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
>
> On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
>>
>> Ally?
>> How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
>> Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without friends, if that's
>> what they consider as such.
>> Car
>>
>>
>>
>>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
>>> especially once
>>> > you get into college.
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream 
>>> >>read
>>> >> a
>>> >>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD 
>>> >>route
>>> >>whenever possible.
>>> >>
>>> >> Chris
>>> >>
>>> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
>>> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. 
>>> >> If
>>> >> a
>>> >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can 
>>> >> be
>>> >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>> >>
>>> >> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT
>>> >> files.
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>>> >> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>>> >> I don't have any books for it, now.
>>> >> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Joshua,
>>> >> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>>> >> really quite simple.
>>> >> Patrick
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> >> Wow!
>>> >> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >> Antonio,
>>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
>>> >> changed
>>> >> it.
>>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have 
>>> >> a
>>> >> cd
>>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
>>> >> longer
>>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic, 
>>> >> more
>>> >> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully 
>>> >> it
>>> >> works!
>>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player 
>>> >> is
>>> >> IMO
>>> >> easy to use and simple.
>>> >>
>>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>> >> which
>>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places 
>>> >> like
>>> >> nls
>>> >> and learning ally.
>>> >>
>>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
>>> >> changing
>>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>> >> correct
>>> >> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind
>>> >> people
>>> >> have
>>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let 
>>> >> them
>>> >> forget
>>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>>> >> something
>>> >> is
>>> >> not accessible won't help.
>>> >>
>>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
>>> >> complex
>>> >> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the
>>> >> main
>>> >> page
>>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
>>> >> anymore
>>> >> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with 
>>> >> the
>>> >> same
>>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>> >> frustrated,
>>> >> Ashley
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear NABS members,
>>> >>
>>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
>>> >> services
>>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>>> >>
>>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>>> >> their
>>> >> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
>>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people 
>>> >> like
>>> >> you for some feedback.
>>> >>
>>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>>> >> Ally's
>>> >> download features.
>>> >>
>>> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have
>>> >> come
>>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>>> >>
>>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>> >>
>>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, 
>>> >> and
>>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sincerely,
>>> >>
>>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> nabs-l mailing list
>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>> >>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan  4 20:53:28 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:53:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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I'd think HTML, (because,) that's text only.
Gloria, please E-mail me offlist.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/4/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Can anyone tell me when down loading books from bookshare, if I want to put
> the book on my victor stream I thought I should download the daizy version
> of the book. When I extract the zipped file I get a few choices like DTD or
> html. Which of the files do I choose to put on my stream? Thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
>> Hi Joshua,
>> Actually, I think they still do good in some areas; nice customer service
>> reps and they braille the cd sleeves so you know what book is inside.
>> I think they will redo their site if someone tells them.
>> And I don't know an organization that has more textbooks than learning
>> ally. Now with the daisy format, you can jump to particular pages and
>> peruse a book faster than before. I remember the days of four track tapes.
>>
>> Also, I know what its like to use readers, having them not show up and
>> getting behind in your work or having a reader quit mid semester. So
>> while they are flawed, IMO its better than before.
>>
>> And how can you say they don't care? Have you talked to them about it and
>> gotten a response?
>> I doubt it. We cannot make assumptions about them without some statement
>> from them. I do agree it does not seem like their an ally now. Can you
>> have a sighted person help you navigate the screen till they get it fixed?
>>
>> You can still use them
>> Unfortunately, accessibility when you are a minority is an after thought.
>> No it should not be that way, but sadly it is.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
>> They don't care about us, anymore.
>> Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
>> textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>
>> On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
>>>
>>> Ally?
>>> How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
>>> Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without friends, if that's
>>> what they consider as such.
>>> Car
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
>>>> especially once
>>>> > you get into college.
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream
>>>> >>read
>>>> >> a
>>>> >>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD
>>>> >>route
>>>> >>whenever possible.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Chris
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
>>>> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.
>>>> >> If
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>>> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT
>>>> >> files.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>>>> >> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>>>> >> I don't have any books for it, now.
>>>> >> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Joshua,
>>>> >> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>>>> >> really quite simple.
>>>> >> Patrick
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>> >> Wow!
>>>> >> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>>> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> >> Antonio,
>>>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>>>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
>>>> >> changed
>>>> >> it.
>>>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> cd
>>>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
>>>> >> longer
>>>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,
>>>> >> more
>>>> >> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully
>>>> >> it
>>>> >> works!
>>>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> IMO
>>>> >> easy to use and simple.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>>>> >> which
>>>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places
>>>> >> like
>>>> >> nls
>>>> >> and learning ally.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
>>>> >> changing
>>>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>>>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>> >> correct
>>>> >> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind
>>>> >> people
>>>> >> have
>>>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let
>>>> >> them
>>>> >> forget
>>>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>>>> >> something
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> not accessible won't help.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
>>>> >> complex
>>>> >> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the
>>>> >> main
>>>> >> page
>>>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
>>>> >> anymore
>>>> >> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> same
>>>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>> >> frustrated,
>>>> >> Ashley
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dear NABS members,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
>>>> >> services
>>>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>>>> >> their
>>>> >> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
>>>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people
>>>> >> like
>>>> >> you for some feedback.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>>>> >> Ally's
>>>> >> download features.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have
>>>> >> come
>>>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>>>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>>>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues,
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>>>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sincerely,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 21:05:37 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:05:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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hey Joushua what is your email address so I can email you off list.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


> I'd think HTML, (because,) that's text only.
> Gloria, please E-mail me offlist.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 1/4/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Can anyone tell me when down loading books from bookshare, if I want to 
>> put
>> the book on my victor stream I thought I should download the daizy 
>> version
>> of the book. When I extract the zipped file I get a few choices like DTD 
>> or
>> html. Which of the files do I choose to put on my stream? Thanks
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>>
>>> Hi Joshua,
>>> Actually, I think they still do good in some areas; nice customer 
>>> service
>>> reps and they braille the cd sleeves so you know what book is inside.
>>> I think they will redo their site if someone tells them.
>>> And I don't know an organization that has more textbooks than learning
>>> ally. Now with the daisy format, you can jump to particular pages and
>>> peruse a book faster than before. I remember the days of four track 
>>> tapes.
>>>
>>> Also, I know what its like to use readers, having them not show up and
>>> getting behind in your work or having a reader quit mid semester. So
>>> while they are flawed, IMO its better than before.
>>>
>>> And how can you say they don't care? Have you talked to them about it 
>>> and
>>> gotten a response?
>>> I doubt it. We cannot make assumptions about them without some statement
>>> from them. I do agree it does not seem like their an ally now. Can you
>>> have a sighted person help you navigate the screen till they get it 
>>> fixed?
>>>
>>> You can still use them
>>> Unfortunately, accessibility when you are a minority is an after 
>>> thought.
>>> No it should not be that way, but sadly it is.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>> They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
>>> They don't care about us, anymore.
>>> Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
>>> textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
>>>>
>>>> Ally?
>>>> How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
>>>> Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without friends, if that's
>>>> what they consider as such.
>>>> Car
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
>>>>> especially once
>>>>> > you get into college.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream
>>>>> >>read
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD
>>>>> >>route
>>>>> >>whenever possible.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Chris
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
>>>>> >> real
>>>>> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.
>>>>> >> If
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>> >> be
>>>>> >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>>>> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads 
>>>>> >> TXT
>>>>> >> files.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>>>>> >> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>>>>> >> I don't have any books for it, now.
>>>>> >> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>>>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> Joshua,
>>>>> >> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>>>>> >> really quite simple.
>>>>> >> Patrick
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>> >> Wow!
>>>>> >> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>>>> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> >> Antonio,
>>>>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
>>>>> >> changed
>>>>> >> it.
>>>>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
>>>>> >> have
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >> cd
>>>>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
>>>>> >> longer
>>>>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,
>>>>> >> more
>>>>> >> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully
>>>>> >> it
>>>>> >> works!
>>>>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player
>>>>> >> is
>>>>> >> IMO
>>>>> >> easy to use and simple.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
>>>>> >> strattus,
>>>>> >> which
>>>>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places
>>>>> >> like
>>>>> >> nls
>>>>> >> and learning ally.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed. 
>>>>> >> With
>>>>> >> changing
>>>>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
>>>>> >> learning
>>>>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>>> >> correct
>>>>> >> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind
>>>>> >> people
>>>>> >> have
>>>>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let
>>>>> >> them
>>>>> >> forget
>>>>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>>>>> >> something
>>>>> >> is
>>>>> >> not accessible won't help.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
>>>>> >> complex
>>>>> >> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the
>>>>> >> main
>>>>> >> page
>>>>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
>>>>> >> anymore
>>>>> >> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> same
>>>>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>>> >> frustrated,
>>>>> >> Ashley
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Dear NABS members,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
>>>>> >> services
>>>>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>>>>> >> their
>>>>> >> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their 
>>>>> >> You
>>>>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people
>>>>> >> like
>>>>> >> you for some feedback.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>>>>> >> Ally's
>>>>> >> download features.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have
>>>>> >> come
>>>>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
>>>>> >> access
>>>>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
>>>>> >> providing
>>>>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues,
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight 
>>>>> >> on
>>>>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Sincerely,
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 21:06:12 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:06:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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Thanks all,
I figured out what I was doing wrong with the downloads from bookshare.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


> I'd think HTML, (because,) that's text only.
> Gloria, please E-mail me offlist.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 1/4/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Can anyone tell me when down loading books from bookshare, if I want to 
>> put
>> the book on my victor stream I thought I should download the daizy 
>> version
>> of the book. When I extract the zipped file I get a few choices like DTD 
>> or
>> html. Which of the files do I choose to put on my stream? Thanks
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>>
>>> Hi Joshua,
>>> Actually, I think they still do good in some areas; nice customer 
>>> service
>>> reps and they braille the cd sleeves so you know what book is inside.
>>> I think they will redo their site if someone tells them.
>>> And I don't know an organization that has more textbooks than learning
>>> ally. Now with the daisy format, you can jump to particular pages and
>>> peruse a book faster than before. I remember the days of four track 
>>> tapes.
>>>
>>> Also, I know what its like to use readers, having them not show up and
>>> getting behind in your work or having a reader quit mid semester. So
>>> while they are flawed, IMO its better than before.
>>>
>>> And how can you say they don't care? Have you talked to them about it 
>>> and
>>> gotten a response?
>>> I doubt it. We cannot make assumptions about them without some statement
>>> from them. I do agree it does not seem like their an ally now. Can you
>>> have a sighted person help you navigate the screen till they get it 
>>> fixed?
>>>
>>> You can still use them
>>> Unfortunately, accessibility when you are a minority is an after 
>>> thought.
>>> No it should not be that way, but sadly it is.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>> They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
>>> They don't care about us, anymore.
>>> Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
>>> textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
>>>>
>>>> Ally?
>>>> How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
>>>> Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without friends, if that's
>>>> what they consider as such.
>>>> Car
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
>>>>> especially once
>>>>> > you get into college.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream
>>>>> >>read
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD
>>>>> >>route
>>>>> >>whenever possible.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Chris
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
>>>>> >> real
>>>>> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.
>>>>> >> If
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>> >> be
>>>>> >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>>>> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads 
>>>>> >> TXT
>>>>> >> files.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>>>>> >> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>>>>> >> I don't have any books for it, now.
>>>>> >> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>>>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> Joshua,
>>>>> >> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>>>>> >> really quite simple.
>>>>> >> Patrick
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>> >> Wow!
>>>>> >> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>>>> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> >> Antonio,
>>>>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
>>>>> >> changed
>>>>> >> it.
>>>>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
>>>>> >> have
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >> cd
>>>>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
>>>>> >> longer
>>>>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,
>>>>> >> more
>>>>> >> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully
>>>>> >> it
>>>>> >> works!
>>>>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player
>>>>> >> is
>>>>> >> IMO
>>>>> >> easy to use and simple.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
>>>>> >> strattus,
>>>>> >> which
>>>>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places
>>>>> >> like
>>>>> >> nls
>>>>> >> and learning ally.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed. 
>>>>> >> With
>>>>> >> changing
>>>>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
>>>>> >> learning
>>>>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>>> >> correct
>>>>> >> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind
>>>>> >> people
>>>>> >> have
>>>>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let
>>>>> >> them
>>>>> >> forget
>>>>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>>>>> >> something
>>>>> >> is
>>>>> >> not accessible won't help.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
>>>>> >> complex
>>>>> >> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the
>>>>> >> main
>>>>> >> page
>>>>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
>>>>> >> anymore
>>>>> >> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> same
>>>>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>>> >> frustrated,
>>>>> >> Ashley
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Dear NABS members,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
>>>>> >> services
>>>>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>>>>> >> their
>>>>> >> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their 
>>>>> >> You
>>>>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people
>>>>> >> like
>>>>> >> you for some feedback.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>>>>> >> Ally's
>>>>> >> download features.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have
>>>>> >> come
>>>>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
>>>>> >> access
>>>>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
>>>>> >> providing
>>>>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues,
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight 
>>>>> >> on
>>>>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Sincerely,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan  4 21:15:11 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:15:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
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You must have lost it.
Here it is.
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
BTW, when people post, their E-mail addresses show up on the list,
after their name.
That's how I found yours.
Blessings, Joshua
On 1/4/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> hey Joushua what is your email address so I can email you off list.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
>> I'd think HTML, (because,) that's text only.
>> Gloria, please E-mail me offlist.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/4/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Can anyone tell me when down loading books from bookshare, if I want to
>>> put
>>> the book on my victor stream I thought I should download the daizy
>>> version
>>> of the book. When I extract the zipped file I get a few choices like DTD
>>> or
>>> html. Which of the files do I choose to put on my stream? Thanks
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Joshua,
>>>> Actually, I think they still do good in some areas; nice customer
>>>> service
>>>> reps and they braille the cd sleeves so you know what book is inside.
>>>> I think they will redo their site if someone tells them.
>>>> And I don't know an organization that has more textbooks than learning
>>>> ally. Now with the daisy format, you can jump to particular pages and
>>>> peruse a book faster than before. I remember the days of four track
>>>> tapes.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I know what its like to use readers, having them not show up and
>>>> getting behind in your work or having a reader quit mid semester. So
>>>> while they are flawed, IMO its better than before.
>>>>
>>>> And how can you say they don't care? Have you talked to them about it
>>>> and
>>>> gotten a response?
>>>> I doubt it. We cannot make assumptions about them without some statement
>>>> from them. I do agree it does not seem like their an ally now. Can you
>>>> have a sighted person help you navigate the screen till they get it
>>>> fixed?
>>>>
>>>> You can still use them
>>>> Unfortunately, accessibility when you are a minority is an after
>>>> thought.
>>>> No it should not be that way, but sadly it is.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>> They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
>>>> They don't care about us, anymore.
>>>> Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
>>>> textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ally?
>>>>> How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
>>>>> Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without friends, if that's
>>>>> what they consider as such.
>>>>> Car
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
>>>>>> especially once
>>>>>> > you get into college.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream
>>>>>> >>read
>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>> >>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD
>>>>>> >>route
>>>>>> >>whenever possible.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Chris
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>>>> >> real
>>>>>> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.
>>>>>> >> If
>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>> >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>>> >> be
>>>>>> >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>>>>> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>>>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads
>>>>>> >> TXT
>>>>>> >> files.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>>>>>> >> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>>>>>> >> I don't have any books for it, now.
>>>>>> >> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>>>>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >> Joshua,
>>>>>> >> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>>>>>> >> really quite simple.
>>>>>> >> Patrick
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> >> Wow!
>>>>>> >> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>>>>> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>>>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >> Antonio,
>>>>>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out
>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
>>>>>> >> changed
>>>>>> >> it.
>>>>>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you
>>>>>> >> have
>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>> >> cd
>>>>>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
>>>>>> >> longer
>>>>>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,
>>>>>> >> more
>>>>>> >> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully
>>>>>> >> it
>>>>>> >> works!
>>>>>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player
>>>>>> >> is
>>>>>> >> IMO
>>>>>> >> easy to use and simple.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr
>>>>>> >> strattus,
>>>>>> >> which
>>>>>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places
>>>>>> >> like
>>>>>> >> nls
>>>>>> >> and learning ally.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.
>>>>>> >> With
>>>>>> >> changing
>>>>>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on
>>>>>> >> learning
>>>>>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>>>> >> correct
>>>>>> >> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind
>>>>>> >> people
>>>>>> >> have
>>>>>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let
>>>>>> >> them
>>>>>> >> forget
>>>>>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>>>>>> >> something
>>>>>> >> is
>>>>>> >> not accessible won't help.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
>>>>>> >> complex
>>>>>> >> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the
>>>>>> >> main
>>>>>> >> page
>>>>>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
>>>>>> >> anymore
>>>>>> >> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with
>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>> >> same
>>>>>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>>>> >> frustrated,
>>>>>> >> Ashley
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>>>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Dear NABS members,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>>>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
>>>>>> >> services
>>>>>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>>>>>> >> their
>>>>>> >> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their
>>>>>> >> You
>>>>>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people
>>>>>> >> like
>>>>>> >> you for some feedback.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>>>>>> >> Ally's
>>>>>> >> download features.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have
>>>>>> >> come
>>>>>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
>>>>>> >> access
>>>>>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
>>>>>> >> providing
>>>>>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues,
>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight
>>>>>> >> on
>>>>>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Sincerely,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 21:53:21 2012
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:53:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
Message-ID: <FBDC6ACF311C4A83B2ED263CB4427072@Cptr233>

First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the life of me
figure this out. I downloaded there stupid new download manager. The book is
in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download. What am I
missing? Can anyone help. 

 

Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this book for an
hour now. I think I would rather get a root canal. I am pretty sure this is
not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book. It is the site is
inaccessible. So I sent a polite but stern email to their customer service
department. 

 

I urge those others who are having problems to email them too. This is the
ONLY way we are going to get change. 

 

Marsha 


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan  4 22:48:54 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:48:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
In-Reply-To: <FBDC6ACF311C4A83B2ED263CB4427072@Cptr233>
References: <FBDC6ACF311C4A83B2ED263CB4427072@Cptr233>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOu=_k3Tar3-GRnou_Hu-ROxTwVkaypxsuvVRcc0C7TCqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Marsha, please E-mail Dr Maurer, if the Customer Services don't get back to you.
We need to stop these corporate companies from making their stuff inaccessible!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/4/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
> First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the life of me
> figure this out. I downloaded there stupid new download manager. The book is
> in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download. What am I
> missing? Can anyone help.
>
>
>
> Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this book for an
> hour now. I think I would rather get a root canal. I am pretty sure this is
> not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book. It is the site is
> inaccessible. So I sent a polite but stern email to their customer service
> department.
>
>
>
> I urge those others who are having problems to email them too. This is the
> ONLY way we are going to get change.
>
>
>
> Marsha
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  4 23:24:43 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:24:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
In-Reply-To: <FBDC6ACF311C4A83B2ED263CB4427072@Cptr233>
References: <FBDC6ACF311C4A83B2ED263CB4427072@Cptr233>
Message-ID: <8EC7C2F3937F41D7AADC5A90CD551C65@OwnerPC>

Marsha,
You are ahead of me. I did not find the download link. What is it called? 
I'd like to download it and try to read books, even if I have to get sighted 
assistance. After its downloaded, do you just copy it to the vr stream 
talking book folder or how do you get them on the stream?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Marsha Drenth
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 4:53 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the life of me
figure this out. I downloaded there stupid new download manager. The book is
in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download. What am I
missing? Can anyone help.



Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this book for an
hour now. I think I would rather get a root canal. I am pretty sure this is
not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book. It is the site is
inaccessible. So I sent a polite but stern email to their customer service
department.



I urge those others who are having problems to email them too. This is the
ONLY way we are going to get change.



Marsha

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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 23:48:04 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:48:04 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
Message-ID: <4f04e53a.8908e70a.0f4e.ffffcb24@mx.google.com>

I agree.  Thse corporate weird people, for lack of a better way 
to put it, are doing sommething pretty rdrastic because they want 
to forget about us.  No wonder so many people are trying to 
occupy this world.  We should occupy learning ally's 
inaccessiblesite.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:48:54 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Marsha, please E-mail Dr Maurer, if the Customer Services don't 
get back to you.
We need to stop these corporate companies from making their stuff 
inaccessible!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/4/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
 First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the 
life of me
 figure this out. I downloaded there stupid new download manager. 
The book is
 in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download. What 
am I
 missing? Can anyone help.



 Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this 
book for an
 hour now. I think I would rather get a root canal. I am pretty 
sure this is
 not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book. It is 
the site is
 inaccessible. So I sent a polite but stern email to their 
customer service
 department.



 I urge those others who are having problems to email them too. 
This is the
 ONLY way we are going to get change.



 Marsha

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From jty727 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 00:12:31 2012
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:12:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
In-Reply-To: <4f04e53a.8908e70a.0f4e.ffffcb24@mx.google.com>
References: <4f04e53a.8908e70a.0f4e.ffffcb24@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CA+3U9s4ZY=9VBOD9FY137L8tVzvNFaY+TWJghGsTW9Pw6v=WsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I loged into my Learning Alley account about a few weeks ago and
realized they changed everything.  Crazy

On 1/4/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree.  Thse corporate weird people, for lack of a better way
> to put it, are doing sommething pretty rdrastic because they want
> to forget about us.  No wonder so many people are trying to
> occupy this world.  We should occupy learning ally's
> inaccessiblesite.
> Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:48:54 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
>
> Marsha, please E-mail Dr Maurer, if the Customer Services don't
> get back to you.
> We need to stop these corporate companies from making their stuff
> inaccessible!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/4/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>  First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the
> life of me
>  figure this out. I downloaded there stupid new download manager.
> The book is
>  in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download. What
> am I
>  missing? Can anyone help.
>
>
>
>  Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this
> book for an
>  hour now. I think I would rather get a root canal. I am pretty
> sure this is
>  not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book. It is
> the site is
>  inaccessible. So I sent a polite but stern email to their
> customer service
>  department.
>
>
>
>  I urge those others who are having problems to email them too.
> This is the
>  ONLY way we are going to get change.
>
>
>
>  Marsha
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  5 00:49:20 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:49:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally questions
Message-ID: <18CD5F746FFC496FBABFB40BAFFC419F@OwnerPC>

Hi all,
So I was trying this out. I wanted to see about downloading books. When I logged in, I realized things are so different now. Before you logged in, searched for a book, and selected your prefered format: DT which was a cd version, DL or WMA format. Then you checked out if you did not want to add more to the shopping cart. Currently, Now when I search for a book, no options like that exist. Instead of  ordering it there and they used to send you a link to download books, now it’s the bookshelf.
It said

Downloadable copies of the titles listed are available by simply selecting the option: "Add to Bookshelf".

For a CD version of your chosen titles, proceed to check out by selecting the option: "Order CD Now".



Okay, so no more emailed links. Question though.

When you click add to bookshelf, its there, but in what format.

When I went to bookshelf after downloading the manager, I just saw the title of the book.



Questions.

1. it says 

Choose the books you want to hear and then select Download & Listen.

The enhanced BookShelf has been specially designed for compatibility with our new Learning Ally Audiobook Manager.

So do they put the book in the manager automatically?

2.  Can you still use WMA format and use windows media player?

3. I guess the actual download link is inaccessible. Once you download it, is it in one big file or parts?

4. Will I need to unzip the file?



I’m very confused about their new setup. It appears that once you click add to bookshelf, books are in that bookshelf. But no confirmation is given or anything like that to let you know you successfully searched and added that book.



Then I have no clue how to actually listen to the book. Do you have to be online to listen? 



Ashley

From netgirl at samobile.net  Thu Jan  5 00:59:44 2012
From: netgirl at samobile.net (Jessica Watson)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:59:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] hiring a driver
Message-ID: 64f2d534-c0dc-4d77-84ac-5aaceb039f06@samobile.net

I know this subject has come up several times so sorry to bring it up 
again.  Has anyone ever had to hire a driver?  How does one go about 
doing this task?  Thanks!

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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 01:10:35 2012
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:10:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] hiring a driver
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Message-ID: <5098F542A06A4BCEB33AC0CA0CD10C9A@hometwxakonvzn>

Do they not teach this in Orientation and mobility? At least my orentation 
and mobility instructor taught me this! I'm not upset at you Jessica, I'm 
upset this issue hasn't been discussed at conferences... The conference 
calls I mean! RJ
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From: "Jessica Watson" <netgirl at samobile.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:59 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] hiring a driver


>I know this subject has come up several times so sorry to bring it up 
>again.  Has anyone ever had to hire a driver?  How does one go about doing 
>this task?  Thanks!
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 02:16:01 2012
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:16:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally questions
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References: <18CD5F746FFC496FBABFB40BAFFC419F@OwnerPC>
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I was able to get the book into my bookshelf, but I never found a link to
download it. The new download manager is not accessible either. When its in
the bookshelf, there will be a cambo box to choose the file type, either
between daisy or WMA. If I didn't need the book like in two weeks I would
get the CD version, but of course that presents a whole new set of
challenages. 

If anyone finds out how to download the stupid books, let me know. Sorry I
can't answer more of your questions.

Marsha 


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:49 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally questions

Hi all,
So I was trying this out. I wanted to see about downloading books. When I
logged in, I realized things are so different now. Before you logged in,
searched for a book, and selected your prefered format: DT which was a cd
version, DL or WMA format. Then you checked out if you did not want to add
more to the shopping cart. Currently, Now when I search for a book, no
options like that exist. Instead of  ordering it there and they used to send
you a link to download books, now it's the bookshelf.
It said

Downloadable copies of the titles listed are available by simply selecting
the option: "Add to Bookshelf".

For a CD version of your chosen titles, proceed to check out by selecting
the option: "Order CD Now".



Okay, so no more emailed links. Question though.

When you click add to bookshelf, its there, but in what format.

When I went to bookshelf after downloading the manager, I just saw the title
of the book.



Questions.

1. it says 

Choose the books you want to hear and then select Download & Listen.

The enhanced BookShelf has been specially designed for compatibility with
our new Learning Ally Audiobook Manager.

So do they put the book in the manager automatically?

2.  Can you still use WMA format and use windows media player?

3. I guess the actual download link is inaccessible. Once you download it,
is it in one big file or parts?

4. Will I need to unzip the file?



I'm very confused about their new setup. It appears that once you click add
to bookshelf, books are in that bookshelf. But no confirmation is given or
anything like that to let you know you successfully searched and added that
book.



Then I have no clue how to actually listen to the book. Do you have to be
online to listen? 



Ashley
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From netgirl at samobile.net  Thu Jan  5 02:18:56 2012
From: netgirl at samobile.net (Jessica Watson)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:18:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] message for RJ
Message-ID: 1f9d5e99-2195-4f3a-859d-6d062488d697@samobile.net

Hi,

How did you hire a driver?

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 02:25:52 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:25:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f050a52.0849e00a.4172.22c5@mx.google.com>

What's funny is I have noticed JAWS sometimes pronouncing the 
"ally" in Learning Ally "a lie" when I log into the site.  Hmm...  
could JAWS be trying to tell us something about our so-called 
Ally? * Smile!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:01:01 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally



Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,

Ally?
How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
Ally? Really? Some ally.  We really are without friends, if 
that's
what they consider as such.
Car



  Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
 especially once
 you get into college.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the 
Stream read a
book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD 
route
whenever possible.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real
 problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a
 blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness 
can be
 reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and 
reads TXT
 files.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
 I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
 I don't have any books for it, now.
 I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  
It's
 really quite simple.
 Patrick

 On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a
 cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use
 their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning
 Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 02:25:55 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:25:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question
Message-ID: <4f050a54.0849e00a.4172.22c7@mx.google.com>

OK, thanks! Give me a call on my cell so we can try it both with 
the BrailleNote and with JAWS.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zach" <zach2012 at chickerland.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:20:09 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

I'll call and we can try to trouble shoot at that time



Zach Dreicer-Griego
Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:15 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

Is that a button or a link? I haven't found anything on the
mobile site that says "join group."

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

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To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:07:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

type in their name at the search box, click start, fing their
name from the
list and then click join group



Zach Dreicer-Griego
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Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 5:48 PM
To: NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question

Hi everyone,

How do I join a group on the Facebook mobile site?
Thanks for any help,

Chris

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real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:08:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} FW: Celebrate Louis Braille
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Louis Braille, the creator of braille, was born on this day 203 years ago.
Today, we celebrate Louis and his remarkable invention, which has remained
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Please take a moment to recognize this important means of literacy for
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  5 03:10:56 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:10:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] hiring a driver
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a good topic for a conference call. Also hiring a driver is so different for 
each person that most O&M instructors do not  cover it, not even at nfb 
centers.  I'd say advertise, do interviews, and reference checks. Then when 
you have a driver, be in charge. I mean do not let them take you whatever 
way they wish. Try and learn the area and directions you are going. You can 
call your destination for directions and write them down or get directions 
from something like mapquest.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: RJ Sandefur
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hiring a driver

Do they not teach this in Orientation and mobility? At least my orentation
and mobility instructor taught me this! I'm not upset at you Jessica, I'm
upset this issue hasn't been discussed at conferences... The conference
calls I mean! RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessica Watson" <netgirl at samobile.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:59 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] hiring a driver


>I know this subject has come up several times so sorry to bring it up 
>again.  Has anyone ever had to hire a driver?  How does one go about doing 
>this task?  Thanks!
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  5 03:13:14 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:13:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally questions
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oh combo box to pick a version? I'll check for it again. generally c takes 
you to the combo boxes.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Marsha Drenth
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:16 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] learning ally questions

I was able to get the book into my bookshelf, but I never found a link to
download it. The new download manager is not accessible either. When its in
the bookshelf, there will be a cambo box to choose the file type, either
between daisy or WMA. If I didn't need the book like in two weeks I would
get the CD version, but of course that presents a whole new set of
challenages.

If anyone finds out how to download the stupid books, let me know. Sorry I
can't answer more of your questions.

Marsha


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:49 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally questions

Hi all,
So I was trying this out. I wanted to see about downloading books. When I
logged in, I realized things are so different now. Before you logged in,
searched for a book, and selected your prefered format: DT which was a cd
version, DL or WMA format. Then you checked out if you did not want to add
more to the shopping cart. Currently, Now when I search for a book, no
options like that exist. Instead of  ordering it there and they used to send
you a link to download books, now it's the bookshelf.
It said

Downloadable copies of the titles listed are available by simply selecting
the option: "Add to Bookshelf".

For a CD version of your chosen titles, proceed to check out by selecting
the option: "Order CD Now".



Okay, so no more emailed links. Question though.

When you click add to bookshelf, its there, but in what format.

When I went to bookshelf after downloading the manager, I just saw the title
of the book.



Questions.

1. it says

Choose the books you want to hear and then select Download & Listen.

The enhanced BookShelf has been specially designed for compatibility with
our new Learning Ally Audiobook Manager.

So do they put the book in the manager automatically?

2.  Can you still use WMA format and use windows media player?

3. I guess the actual download link is inaccessible. Once you download it,
is it in one big file or parts?

4. Will I need to unzip the file?



I'm very confused about their new setup. It appears that once you click add
to bookshelf, books are in that bookshelf. But no confirmation is given or
anything like that to let you know you successfully searched and added that
book.



Then I have no clue how to actually listen to the book. Do you have to be
online to listen?



Ashley
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Thu Jan  5 03:19:53 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:19:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] hiring a driver
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Jessica, I'd like to welcome you to this list, because I've never
noticed you posting here before.
I hope you'll enjoy your time here.
As for hiring a driver, I've only done it once, and that was for a
ride home from class.
I'm afraid, I may have to do it again, being that I have late night classes.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/4/12, Jessica Watson <netgirl at samobile.net> wrote:
> I know this subject has come up several times so sorry to bring it up
> again.  Has anyone ever had to hire a driver?  How does one go about
> doing this task?  Thanks!
>
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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 03:35:52 2012
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:35:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing the 2012 NABS Winter Seminar
Message-ID: <00ee01cccb5b$20e765c0$62b63140$@com>

Good evening,

 

As you likely know, it is nearly time for the NFB's annual Washington
Seminar, and, as part of this exciting week of events in DC and on Capitol
Hill, the National Association of Blind Students is holding its annual
winter seminar!

 

When:   Monday February 6, 2012 from 9:00am to 1:00pm (registration starts
at 8:00), with a resource fair to follow after lunch.

 

Where:  The Discovery II room of the Holiday Inn Capitol, located at 550 C
Street SW in Washington DC.

 

Who:    Blind students and young professionals, as well as their teachers
and parents, are invited to attend this informative seminar featuring
presentations and group discussions on various topics of interest to blind
students ranging from technology to professional development to legislative
advocacy!

 

So, before the week's legislative activities take center stage, join NABS
for this exciting and informative seminar on the morning of Monday February
6.

 

The agenda, as well as a list of exhibitors at the resource fair, will be
circulated as soon as they are finalized. The agenda and resource fair
participants list will also be posted to nabslink.org, so stay tuned.

 

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at either
smwhalenpsp at gmail.com or 608 332-4147.

 

Look forward to seeing you there!

 

Take care,

 

Sean


From zach2012 at chickerland.com  Thu Jan  5 05:08:00 2012
From: zach2012 at chickerland.com (Zach)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:08:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question
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tomorrow! I'm not going to call you at midnight no way!



Zach Dreicer-Griego
Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

OK, thanks! Give me a call on my cell so we can try it both with
the BrailleNote and with JAWS.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zach" <zach2012 at chickerland.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:20:09 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

I'll call and we can try to trouble shoot at that time



Zach Dreicer-Griego
Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:15 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

Is that a button or a link? I haven't found anything on the
mobile site that says "join group."

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zach" <zach2012 at chickerland.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:07:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

type in their name at the search box, click start, fing their
name from the
list and then click join group



Zach Dreicer-Griego
Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 5:48 PM
To: NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question

Hi everyone,

How do I join a group on the Facebook mobile site?
Thanks for any help,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Thu Jan  5 05:41:55 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:41:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Emails was Re:  Facebook question
References: <4f050a54.0849e00a.4172.22c7@mx.google.com>
	<E23A69964F7A4B13B81B97F477381981@ZachlaptopPC>
Message-ID: <740F86F18BF149FDA6F01692C05939D7@stanford.edu>

If you have a message for a particular person that is meant for that person 
only and not for the whole list, please take it off list.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zach" <zach2012 at chickerland.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question


> tomorrow! I'm not going to call you at midnight no way!
>
>
>
> Zach Dreicer-Griego
> Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
> Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question
>
> OK, thanks! Give me a call on my cell so we can try it both with
> the BrailleNote and with JAWS.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zach" <zach2012 at chickerland.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:20:09 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question
>
> I'll call and we can try to trouble shoot at that time
>
>
>
> Zach Dreicer-Griego
> Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
> Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:15 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question
>
> Is that a button or a link? I haven't found anything on the
> mobile site that says "join group."
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zach" <zach2012 at chickerland.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:07:49 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question
>
> type in their name at the search box, click start, fing their
> name from the
> list and then click join group
>
>
>
> Zach Dreicer-Griego
> Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
> Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 5:48 PM
> To: NFB NABS list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> How do I join a group on the Facebook mobile site?
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jan  5 08:28:00 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 02:28:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: National Federation of the Blind Files Complaint
 Against Baltimore City Public Schools
Message-ID: <auto-000043180697@mailfront3.g2host.com>


>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>CONTACT:
>Mark Riccobono, Executive Director
>National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
>National Federation of the Blind
>(410) 659-9314, extension 2368
>(410) 935-4019 (Cell)
>mriccobono at nfb.org
>
>National Federation of the Blind Files Complaint
>Against Baltimore City Public Schools
>
>Says Plan to Buy Nook E-readers Discriminates Against Blind Students
>
>Baltimore, Maryland (January 4, 2012): The National Federation of 
>the Blind (NFB), the nation's leading advocate for access to 
>technology by the blind, announced today that it has filed a 
>complaint with the United States Department of Justice, Civil Rights 
>Division, requesting an investigation of the Baltimore City Public 
>Schools' proposed acquisition of NOOK devices.  The NFB filed the 
>complaint because the Baltimore City Public Schools recently 
>announced a partnership with the Harry and Jeanette Weinberg 
>Foundation to overhaul the school libraries in six middle schools in 
>the district.  As part of the partnership's plan, the selected 
>school libraries will acquire an unspecified number of NOOK e-reader 
>devices.  These devices are inaccessible to blind and other 
>print-disabled students.  The NFB raised its concern with leaders in 
>the Baltimore City Public Schools but has been told that the 
>district is moving forward with its plans to implement these devices 
>while it seeks "alternative emerging technology"-- in other words, a 
>needlessly segregated technology for students with print 
>disabilities. Because the NOOK is inaccessible to blind students, 
>the Baltimore schools' use of the devices violates Title II of the 
>Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).
>
>Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
>said: "The National Federation of the Blind will not tolerate blind 
>students receiving an unequal education.  If e-reading devices are 
>available in school libraries, they must be accessible to all 
>students, not just the sighted.  Appropriately, the date of this 
>comAplaint falls on the birthday of Louis Braille, who first brought 
>literacy to the blind and fought for the right of blind students to 
>read independently.  He would not stand for this glaring inequity 
>and neither will we.  That is why we have asked the United States 
>Department of Justice to act swiftly and decisively to ensure that 
>blind students receive the same education as their sighted peers."
>
>The National Federation of the Blind is represented in this matter 
>by Daniel F. Goldstein and Daniel A. Ross of the Baltimore firm 
>Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP.
>
>
>###
>
>
>About the National Federation of the Blind
>With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
>is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
>people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
>through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
>encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
>force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
>blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of 
>the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center 
>in the United States for the blind led by the blind.



From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jan  5 09:54:29 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:54:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: New Extended Batteries and Keyboards for your Phone
 from A T Guys
Message-ID: <auto-000042497618@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>Hello, and Happy 2012. We're please to announce some new accessories 
>which are perfect for your iPhone or other mobile device. All are 
>available at <http://www.atguys.com>http://www.atguys.com
>
>Never run out of battery power in the middle of an important phone 
>call again. A
>T Guys is pleased to carry one of the most powerful and long-lasting 
>external batteries
>for your iPhone, Android, portable book player, digital recorder, 
>and much more.
>The New Trend IMP70D boasts an amazing 7000 MAH of battery power, 
>allowing you to
>charge an iPhone 4 3.5 times on a single battery charge. The battery 
>features two
>USB ports, allowing you to charge up to two devices at once. And 
>when you do need
>to charge the battery, simply plug it into your computer..
>Charge practically anything that you can charge with a USB cable, 
>including the iPhone,
>iPod Touch, and iPad, Android phones, Olympus digital recorders, the 
>Hims BookSense,
>PlexTalk Pocket, and many more.
>Measuring less than 4.5 inches long and at about a half inch thick, 
>it's small enough
>to fit in most pockets, giving you unparalleled power while on the 
>go. The auto shut-off
>feature will automatically power down the battery when not in use, 
>saving valuable
>energy.
>This is the latest generation battery from New Trent and comes with 
>a six month replacement
>warranty from the manufacturer. These batteries are brand new and 
>include the battery
>and charging cable. Simply use your current charging cables To 
>charge your iPhone
>or other Apple device.
>We've surveyed a variety of external batteries and believe this 
>model provides the
>best mix of power and features for the price.  Available for $49.95 
>plus shipping.
>
>The RII Mini wireless keyboard is a compact, 66-key portable 
>keyboard about the size
>of a phone. The large, distinct buttons are easy to find by touch, 
>and the design
>includes a full number row as well as Control and Option keys for 
>VoiceOver users.
>This keyboard is compatible with the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad as 
>well as Windows
>and Mac computers and Symbian and Windows Mobile 6 phones. Charge 
>the keyboard with
>the included mini USB cable. Available for $45 plus shipping.
>
>Please write <mailto:support at atguys.com>support at atguys.com or call 
>269-216-4798 with any questions.
>Best Regards,
>J.J. Meddaugh
>A T Guys
>Your Assistive Technology Experts
>(269) 216-4798
><http://www.ATGuys.com>http://www.ATGuys.com

From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jan  5 10:07:19 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:07:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Mentoring Month
Message-ID: <auto-000042498295@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>January is National Mentoring Month. Throughout 
>the month of January, the community service 
>group is looking for stories highlighting the 
>power of mentoring to feature on its blog at nfbcommunityservice.wordpress.com.
>
>Starting on January 1, send us your stories 
>about mentorship. Your story can be about a 
>mentoring experience you’ve had, or it can be 
>a tribute to a mentor of yours who has had an 
>impact on your life. Stories should be between 
>300 and 500 words. Stories should be submitted 
>by January 20 to ensure inclusion in the blog 
>during the month of January, but this is a 
>month-long celebration of mentorship. In keeping 
>with the theme, we want to feature stories 
>throughout the month, so feel free to send them 
>in any time between now and the 20th. Send 
>stories as an attachment or in the body of a 
>message to Christine-parsons at sbcglobal.net. Be 
>sure to include your name, state, and a title 
>with each submission. I look forward to reading about your experiences.
>
>National Mentoring Month is an initiative 
>created in 2002 by the Harvard School of Public 
>Health and MENTOR: The National Mentoring 
>Partnership. More information about National 
>Mentoring Month can be found at 
><http://www.nationalmentoringmonth.org/>http://www.nationalmentoringmonth.org/.
>
>Chris Parsons

From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jan  5 10:37:55 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:37:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] message for RJ
In-Reply-To: 1f9d5e99-2195-4f3a-859d-6d062488d697@samobile.net
References: <1f9d5e99-2195-4f3a-859d-6d062488d697@samobile.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000042499524@mailfront4.g2host.com>

You need to get the word out.  I have put an ad in the newspaper, 
although you tend to get innondated.  If you are a student, notices 
on bulletinboards can work, your school may have a newspaper where 
you could put an ad, or it may have some kind of student job service 
you could work with.  First talk to everybody you know and see if 
anyone is interested, or knows somebody who is.  It is always better 
to pay then use volunteers, as you have better control.

Dave

At 08:18 PM 1/4/2012, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>How did you hire a driver?



From amylsabo at comcast.net  Thu Jan  5 14:05:33 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 07:05:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] The 2012 Premiere Of The Djd Invasion And A Pop
	Tops	Special To Air Tonight On Audio Access FM
In-Reply-To: <72E5EBFCA21348AFB8C9DF93B3B30CC3@pc2011>
References: <72E5EBFCA21348AFB8C9DF93B3B30CC3@pc2011>
Message-ID: <023501cccbb3$17a7d000$46f77000$@comcast.net>

Dear david,

First of all happy new year to you and welcome to you 2012 too!
I'm sorry that I missed Monday night's show and also the other
festivities after the invasion too. I have had had a busy 2012
and, it's going to get even busier for me.

Again, I'm sorry that I missed everything. Take care and, I will
talk to you soon!



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 3:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] The 2012 Premiere Of The Djd Invasion And A Pop
Tops Special To Air Tonight On Audio Access FM

Hi Everyone!
The new year has arrived, annd the 2012 Debut Of The Djd Invasion
airs tonight.
Join me at 7 PM eastern for tonight's eclectic Djd Invasion show,
featuring everything from pop to country to oldies and more.
Your interactionons and requesst wll help make the night
interesting and fun. Also, learn about the new Entertainment
Vault show that will be airing, along with two other shows I know
you are probably familiar with that may be coming to the station.
All this, plus all your requests, which you can make by email at
interact at audioaccessfm.com
via skype at
audio.accessfm
or by phone by dialing
516-324-2314

Then at 10 PM eastern, we'll be bringing you a Pop Tops Special:
Happy New Year!
On this special, we'll be hearing songs that were number 1 on the
charts during New Years Days past. This should have aired
earlier, but a technical difficulty prevented this from
happening. So the special begins after tonight's Djd Invasion
show.
To listen to tonight's invasion or Pop Tops Special, tune in
starting at 7 PM eastern or at any time after to
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php
to tune in!
Hope to see you there for the premiere in 2012 of The Djd
Invasion and Pop Tops!
>From David
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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 14:23:28 2012
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:23:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] daisy players
In-Reply-To: <77FFE6AD05C74B39835288D7607927C8@OwnerPC>
References: <77FFE6AD05C74B39835288D7607927C8@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <4FB01792-581E-42EF-9F64-6B7DE624CDFD@gmail.com>

I saw the Stratus atcconv emotion. It is about same size as NLS player but does so much more. I liked it
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:41 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I know humanware sells victor reader, vr, products which play daisy cds. 
> They don’t have many options though. I’m disappointed they discontinued the vr classic and vr wave. 
> 
> What is the vr stream cd edition? Is the attachment a daisy cd player or just a way to transfer cds to the stream?
> The description said
> 
> VR Stream CD Edition combines the world renowned VR Stream and a special CD player accessory. Ideal for readers who do not use a personal computer and who want the benefit of a pocket size Stream DAISY/MP3 player.
> 
> Also the VR stratus has a CD slot as well as ability to use SD cards and USB drives for books/music.
> Are ther other daisy cd players out there? They seem to be fewer as many just download to computers and transfer to sd cards. Just wondering other options. I prefer daisy cds. While I do have a computer and internet, not everyone does, so its good to have these daisy cds.
> 
> I wasn’t sure if freedom scientific’s player was just for SD cards or whether it had a CD player too. I think its called the Plextor pocket or something like that.
> 
> Thanks.
> Ashley
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 14:32:39 2012
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:32:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] message for RJ
References: <1f9d5e99-2195-4f3a-859d-6d062488d697@samobile.net>
	<auto-000042499524@mailfront4.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <85ED2013F86E49CE8E1F73CF43B70FE4@hometwxakonvzn>

Tell them your situation, and offer to pay them for guess. If you use skype, 
fell free to ad me.
smallistbaby1979 and I can give you tips. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] message for RJ


> You need to get the word out.  I have put an ad in the newspaper, although 
> you tend to get innondated.  If you are a student, notices on 
> bulletinboards can work, your school may have a newspaper where you could 
> put an ad, or it may have some kind of student job service you could work 
> with.  First talk to everybody you know and see if anyone is interested, 
> or knows somebody who is.  It is always better to pay then use volunteers, 
> as you have better control.
>
> Dave
>
> At 08:18 PM 1/4/2012, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>How did you hire a driver?
>
>
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From agrima at nbp.org  Thu Jan  5 15:25:02 2012
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:25:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Inspire budding scientists with 'Galileo's Leaning Tower
	Experiment!'
Message-ID: <00d901cccbbe$324e5180$96eaf480$@org>

January 2012 Book Club Selection
Galileo's Leaning Tower Experiment
By Wendy Macdonald
Print/braille edition, $7.95
In contracted braille 
Ages 7 and up

In this lively retelling of Galileo's leaning tower experiment,
kids will learn that anyone can aspire to become a scientist - 
all it takes is curiosity, determination, and a little imagination.

Every day, Massimo takes his uncle's lunch to a bridge and -
as his uncle's boat passes underneath - drops a loaf of 
bread and wheel of cheese just in time for them to land safely 
in the boat. Professor Galileo observes the boy's lunch-time 
ritual several times before realizing that the heavier 
cheese and the lighter bread both land at exactly the same 
time - disproving the old rules of how gravity works! 
Together, the two begin to investigate the science of 
motion, gravity and weight, eventually proving Aristotle 
wrong by dropping weights from the Leaning Tower of Pisa. 

'Drop this on young scientists to give a glimpse of one 
of the most renowned experiments ever and a methodology 
for their future research too.
- Kirkus Reviews

To order or read more about this book online, visit 
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/BC1201-GALILEO.html


******
To order any books, send payment to:
NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302
Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. 
Or order any of our books online at 
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html .



From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Thu Jan  5 20:22:49 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
In-Reply-To: <27.FA.09504.B14E50F4@spring.subscribermail.com>
References: <27.FA.09504.B14E50F4@spring.subscribermail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOuvZ69xWEUK9QXOQsL0vPmkFWZEwkxKfGJL3bKKTdS0_g@mail.gmail.com>

Look at this message from Learning Ally.
Thanks, Joshua

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu

View this message in a browser.
http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30de375e.htm


Dear Members and Families,

As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the support,
guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year that
brought major changes to our organization.

I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up occasionally
since July, when we began charging for household memberships.

Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally

To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:

 - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
 - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.

Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who learn
differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed as we
grow to help everyone who needs us!

The New Membership Fee

Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my membership
now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the spring of
2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to supply
services to our members (maintaining our production studios, building
our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new products
like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).

Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to the
cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
moving forward.

That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver application
and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library, as
they always have.

Looking to 2012 and Beyond

We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's many
success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook, YouTube
and more.

Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of learning.
We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!

Sincerely,
Andrew Friedman
President & CEO

			
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Thu Jan  5 21:03:16 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:03:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Another meeting has been scheduled
Message-ID: <CAO83KOvUCfGZM2Y5+HNuTntRD-=5qKrzpgzS_wurx8kY_-dN8w@mail.gmail.com>

Well, here we go again!
Another DSB meeting has been scheduled.
This time for Monday, at 1 PM.
Hopefully, this time, she'll show up!
Blessings, Joshua


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 21:19:27 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 14:19:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
Message-ID: <4f0613e7.8908e70a.0f4e.5845@mx.google.com>

Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it 
better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This 
sounds weird.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

Look at this message from Learning Ally.
Thanks, Joshua

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu

View this message in a browser.
http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
de375e.htm


Dear Members and Families,

As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the 
support,
guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year 
that
brought major changes to our organization.

I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up 
occasionally
since July, when we began charging for household memberships.

Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally

To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:

 - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
 - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.

Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who 
learn
differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed 
as we
grow to help everyone who needs us!

The New Membership Fee

Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my 
membership
now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the 
spring of
2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to 
supply
services to our members (maintaining our production studios, 
building
our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new 
products
like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).

Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to 
the
cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
moving forward.

That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver 
application
and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library, 
as
they always have.

Looking to 2012 and Beyond

We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's 
many
success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook, 
YouTube
and more.

Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of 
learning.
We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!

Sincerely,
Andrew Friedman
President & CEO


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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Thu Jan  5 21:23:12 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:23:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
In-Reply-To: <4f0613e7.8908e70a.0f4e.5845@mx.google.com>
References: <4f0613e7.8908e70a.0f4e.5845@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOuynMWUmQn8SeohbqzCT66i7E8J0OhGCE8HoZd2m1OxdA@mail.gmail.com>

They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
Pathetic!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
> sounds weird.
> Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>
> View this message in a browser.
> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
> de375e.htm
>
>
> Dear Members and Families,
>
> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
> support,
> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
> that
> brought major changes to our organization.
>
> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
> occasionally
> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>
> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>
> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>
>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>
> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
> learn
> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
> as we
> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>
> The New Membership Fee
>
> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
> membership
> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
> spring of
> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
> supply
> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
> building
> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
> products
> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>
> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
> the
> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
> moving forward.
>
> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
> application
> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
> as
> they always have.
>
> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>
> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
> many
> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
> YouTube
> and more.
>
> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
> learning.
> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>
> Sincerely,
> Andrew Friedman
> President & CEO
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  5 23:31:35 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:31:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] daisy players
In-Reply-To: <4FB01792-581E-42EF-9F64-6B7DE624CDFD@gmail.com>
References: <77FFE6AD05C74B39835288D7607927C8@OwnerPC>
	<4FB01792-581E-42EF-9F64-6B7DE624CDFD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C9565D85C75B4055AA7754B180CC6256@OwnerPC>

yes the stratus is nice. Its over $400 though so if I ever purchase it, it 
better be durable and last a long time.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jewel
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:23 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] daisy players

I saw the Stratus atcconv emotion. It is about same size as NLS player but 
does so much more. I liked it
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:41 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I know humanware sells victor reader, vr, products which play daisy cds.
> They don’t have many options though. I’m disappointed they discontinued 
> the vr classic and vr wave.
>
> What is the vr stream cd edition? Is the attachment a daisy cd player or 
> just a way to transfer cds to the stream?
> The description said
>
> VR Stream CD Edition combines the world renowned VR Stream and a special 
> CD player accessory. Ideal for readers who do not use a personal computer 
> and who want the benefit of a pocket size Stream DAISY/MP3 player.
>
> Also the VR stratus has a CD slot as well as ability to use SD cards and 
> USB drives for books/music.
> Are ther other daisy cd players out there? They seem to be fewer as many 
> just download to computers and transfer to sd cards. Just wondering other 
> options. I prefer daisy cds. While I do have a computer and internet, not 
> everyone does, so its good to have these daisy cds.
>
> I wasn’t sure if freedom scientific’s player was just for SD cards or 
> whether it had a CD player too. I think its called the Plextor pocket or 
> something like that.
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  5 23:42:14 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:42:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Another meeting has been scheduled
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOvUCfGZM2Y5+HNuTntRD-=5qKrzpgzS_wurx8kY_-dN8w@mail.gmail.com>
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yeah I hope so. Did you say this is your school counselor or vr counselor?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Another meeting has been scheduled

Well, here we go again!
Another DSB meeting has been scheduled.
This time for Monday, at 1 PM.
Hopefully, this time, she'll show up!
Blessings, Joshua

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Thu Jan  5 23:50:23 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:50:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Another meeting has been scheduled
In-Reply-To: <79130B1CEF6A4217B7E90FA45ACF4FEC@OwnerPC>
References: <CAO83KOvUCfGZM2Y5+HNuTntRD-=5qKrzpgzS_wurx8kY_-dN8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<79130B1CEF6A4217B7E90FA45ACF4FEC@OwnerPC>
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It's a meeting with both the advisor, and the DSB, (VR,) counselor.
She better show up, or I'm through with them.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> yeah I hope so. Did you say this is your school counselor or vr counselor?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Another meeting has been scheduled
>
> Well, here we go again!
> Another DSB meeting has been scheduled.
> This time for Monday, at 1 PM.
> Hopefully, this time, she'll show up!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 03:18:55 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:18:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOuynMWUmQn8SeohbqzCT66i7E8J0OhGCE8HoZd2m1OxdA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAO83KOuynMWUmQn8SeohbqzCT66i7E8J0OhGCE8HoZd2m1OxdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF1C0350EE1341B5A4D144343064EF8A@userPC>

So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have to
pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
Pathetic!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
> sounds weird.
> Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>
> View this message in a browser.
> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
> de375e.htm
>
>
> Dear Members and Families,
>
> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
> support,
> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
> that
> brought major changes to our organization.
>
> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
> occasionally
> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>
> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>
> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>
>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>
> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
> learn
> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
> as we
> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>
> The New Membership Fee
>
> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
> membership
> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
> spring of
> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
> supply
> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
> building
> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
> products
> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>
> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
> the
> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
> moving forward.
>
> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
> application
> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
> as
> they always have.
>
> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>
> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
> many
> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
> YouTube
> and more.
>
> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
> learning.
> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>
> Sincerely,
> Andrew Friedman
> President & CEO
>
>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan  6 00:24:06 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:24:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
In-Reply-To: <BF1C0350EE1341B5A4D144343064EF8A@userPC>
References: <4f0613e7.8908e70a.0f4e.5845@mx.google.com>
	<CAO83KOuynMWUmQn8SeohbqzCT66i7E8J0OhGCE8HoZd2m1OxdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BF1C0350EE1341B5A4D144343064EF8A@userPC>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOu8ekqDehqrfU-nrXgP4rzxDyU-NThsuaoizvTU=Kyy=Q@mail.gmail.com>

You might contact them, and ask them.
BTW, (Rania,) I need to E-mail you offlist, so please be expecting it.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have to
> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
> Pathetic!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>> sounds weird.
>> Beth
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>
>> View this message in a browser.
>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>> de375e.htm
>>
>>
>> Dear Members and Families,
>>
>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>> support,
>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>> that
>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>
>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>> occasionally
>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>
>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>
>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>
>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>
>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>> learn
>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>> as we
>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>
>> The New Membership Fee
>>
>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>> membership
>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>> spring of
>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>> supply
>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>> building
>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
>> products
>> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>>
>> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
>> the
>> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
>> moving forward.
>>
>> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
>> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
>> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
>> application
>> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
>> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
>> as
>> they always have.
>>
>> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>>
>> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
>> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
>> many
>> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
>> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
>> YouTube
>> and more.
>>
>> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
>> learning.
>> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Andrew Friedman
>> President & CEO
>>
>>
>> 				Unsubscribe
>> http://app.subscribermail.com/unsubscribe?tempid=f33dd504c90f46ce
>> b594eb6f30de375e&mailid=22677b8b335146709865f1a8d1df0917
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 03:37:24 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:37:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOu8ekqDehqrfU-nrXgP4rzxDyU-NThsuaoizvTU=Kyy=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f0613e7.8908e70a.0f4e.5845@mx.google.com><CAO83KOuynMWUmQn8SeohbqzCT66i7E8J0OhGCE8HoZd2m1OxdA@mail.gmail.com><BF1C0350EE1341B5A4D144343064EF8A@userPC>
	<CAO83KOu8ekqDehqrfU-nrXgP4rzxDyU-NThsuaoizvTU=Kyy=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Is their number still the same?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

You might contact them, and ask them.
BTW, (Rania,) I need to E-mail you offlist, so please be expecting it.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have to
> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
> Pathetic!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>> sounds weird.
>> Beth
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>
>> View this message in a browser.
>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>> de375e.htm
>>
>>
>> Dear Members and Families,
>>
>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>> support,
>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>> that
>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>
>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>> occasionally
>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>
>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>
>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>
>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>
>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>> learn
>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>> as we
>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>
>> The New Membership Fee
>>
>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>> membership
>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>> spring of
>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>> supply
>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>> building
>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
>> products
>> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>>
>> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
>> the
>> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
>> moving forward.
>>
>> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
>> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
>> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
>> application
>> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
>> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
>> as
>> they always have.
>>
>> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>>
>> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
>> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
>> many
>> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
>> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
>> YouTube
>> and more.
>>
>> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
>> learning.
>> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Andrew Friedman
>> President & CEO
>>
>>
>> 				Unsubscribe
>> http://app.subscribermail.com/unsubscribe?tempid=f33dd504c90f46ce
>> b594eb6f30de375e&mailid=22677b8b335146709865f1a8d1df0917
>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan  6 00:41:20 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:41:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
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I'm not sure, but I'd E-mail customer Service, just to be sure.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is their number still the same?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:24 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> You might contact them, and ask them.
> BTW, (Rania,) I need to E-mail you offlist, so please be expecting it.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 1/5/12, Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have to
>> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
>> Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
>> Pathetic!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>>> sounds weird.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>
>>> View this message in a browser.
>>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>>> de375e.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Members and Families,
>>>
>>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>>> support,
>>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>>> that
>>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>>
>>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>>> occasionally
>>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>>
>>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>>
>>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>>
>>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>>
>>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>>> learn
>>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>>> as we
>>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>>
>>> The New Membership Fee
>>>
>>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>>> membership
>>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>>> spring of
>>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>>> supply
>>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>>> building
>>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
>>> products
>>> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>>>
>>> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
>>> the
>>> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
>>> moving forward.
>>>
>>> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
>>> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
>>> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
>>> application
>>> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
>>> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
>>> as
>>> they always have.
>>>
>>> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>>>
>>> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
>>> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
>>> many
>>> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
>>> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
>>> YouTube
>>> and more.
>>>
>>> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
>>> learning.
>>> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Andrew Friedman
>>> President & CEO
>>>
>>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  6 03:17:58 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 22:17:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
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Rania,
Yes.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rania Ismail CMT
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:37 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

Is their number still the same?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

You might contact them, and ask them.
BTW, (Rania,) I need to E-mail you offlist, so please be expecting it.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have to
> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
> Pathetic!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>> sounds weird.
>> Beth
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>
>> View this message in a browser.
>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>> de375e.htm
>>
>>
>> Dear Members and Families,
>>
>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>> support,
>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>> that
>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>
>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>> occasionally
>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>
>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>
>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>
>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>
>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>> learn
>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>> as we
>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>
>> The New Membership Fee
>>
>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>> membership
>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>> spring of
>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>> supply
>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>> building
>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
>> products
>> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>>
>> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
>> the
>> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
>> moving forward.
>>
>> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
>> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
>> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
>> application
>> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
>> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
>> as
>> they always have.
>>
>> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>>
>> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
>> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
>> many
>> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
>> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
>> YouTube
>> and more.
>>
>> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
>> learning.
>> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Andrew Friedman
>> President & CEO
>>
>>
>> Unsubscribe
>> http://app.subscribermail.com/unsubscribe?tempid=f33dd504c90f46ce
>> b594eb6f30de375e&mailid=22677b8b335146709865f1a8d1df0917
>>
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  6 03:18:18 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 22:18:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
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no life time members are covered.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rania Ismail CMT
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have to
pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
Pathetic!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
> sounds weird.
> Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>
> View this message in a browser.
> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
> de375e.htm
>
>
> Dear Members and Families,
>
> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
> support,
> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
> that
> brought major changes to our organization.
>
> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
> occasionally
> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>
> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>
> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>
>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>
> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
> learn
> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
> as we
> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>
> The New Membership Fee
>
> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
> membership
> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
> spring of
> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
> supply
> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
> building
> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
> products
> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>
> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
> the
> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
> moving forward.
>
> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
> application
> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
> as
> they always have.
>
> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>
> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
> many
> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
> YouTube
> and more.
>
> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
> learning.
> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>
> Sincerely,
> Andrew Friedman
> President & CEO
>
>
> Unsubscribe
> http://app.subscribermail.com/unsubscribe?tempid=f33dd504c90f46ce
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Fri Jan  6 03:50:09 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:50:09 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
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Did you mean:
"no life time members are covered."
or
"no, life time members are covered."
Two very different meanings.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO


> no life time members are covered.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Rania Ismail CMT
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have to
> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
> Pathetic!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>> sounds weird.
>> Beth
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>
>> View this message in a browser.
>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>> de375e.htm
>>
>>
>> Dear Members and Families,
>>
>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>> support,
>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>> that
>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>
>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>> occasionally
>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>
>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>
>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>
>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>
>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>> learn
>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>> as we
>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>
>> The New Membership Fee
>>
>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>> membership
>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>> spring of
>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>> supply
>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>> building
>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
>> products
>> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>>
>> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
>> the
>> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
>> moving forward.
>>
>> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
>> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
>> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
>> application
>> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
>> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
>> as
>> they always have.
>>
>> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>>
>> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
>> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
>> many
>> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
>> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
>> YouTube
>> and more.
>>
>> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
>> learning.
>> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Andrew Friedman
>> President & CEO
>>
>>
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 03:54:23 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:54:23 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
Message-ID: <4f067077.4501e70a.36c3.ffff9806@mx.google.com>

This reminds me of a Jewish joke that has something to do with 
the wagy wording is done on a swimming pool sign.  No swimming 
allowed or No, swimming allowed.  Couldn't resist.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:50:09 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

Did you mean:
"no life time members are covered."
or
"no, life time members are covered."
Two very different meanings.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO


 no life time members are covered.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Rania Ismail CMT
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership 
would have to
 pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf
 Of Joshua Lester
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
 Pathetic!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
 Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
 better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
 sounds weird.
 Beth

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 Look at this message from Learning Ally.
 Thanks, Joshua

 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
 Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
 To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu

 View this message in a browser.
 
http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
 de375e.htm


 Dear Members and Families,

 As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
 support,
 guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a 
year
 that
 brought major changes to our organization.

 I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
 occasionally
 since July, when we began charging for household memberships.

 Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally

 To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:

  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.

 Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with 
a
 disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
 expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
 learn
 differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has 
a
 learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
 as we
 grow to help everyone who needs us!

 The New Membership Fee

 Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
 membership
 now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
 spring of
 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
 supply
 services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
 building
 our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
 products
 like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).

 Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly 
to
 the
 cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
 moving forward.

 That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
 financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
 struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
 application
 and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants 
will
 receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
 as
 they always have.

 Looking to 2012 and Beyond

 We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
 educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
 many
 success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
 often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
 YouTube
 and more.

 Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
 learning.
 We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!

 Sincerely,
 Andrew Friedman
 President & CEO


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  6 04:23:25 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 23:23:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
In-Reply-To: <568B2D878A284717A2F7DD2A42ED8D7E@stanford.edu>
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	<568B2D878A284717A2F7DD2A42ED8D7E@stanford.edu>
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I mean that life time members are covered in the new system.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

Did you mean:
"no life time members are covered."
or
"no, life time members are covered."
Two very different meanings.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO


> no life time members are covered.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Rania Ismail CMT
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have to
> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
> Pathetic!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>> sounds weird.
>> Beth
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>
>> View this message in a browser.
>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>> de375e.htm
>>
>>
>> Dear Members and Families,
>>
>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>> support,
>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>> that
>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>
>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>> occasionally
>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>
>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>
>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>
>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>
>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>> learn
>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>> as we
>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>
>> The New Membership Fee
>>
>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>> membership
>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>> spring of
>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>> supply
>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>> building
>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
>> products
>> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>>
>> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
>> the
>> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
>> moving forward.
>>
>> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
>> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
>> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
>> application
>> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
>> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
>> as
>> they always have.
>>
>> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>>
>> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
>> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
>> many
>> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
>> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
>> YouTube
>> and more.
>>
>> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
>> learning.
>> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Andrew Friedman
>> President & CEO
>>
>>
>> Unsubscribe
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan  6 04:31:45 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 22:31:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
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Good.
Please remember, when you start a sentence with "No," there needs to
be a comma, to clear up the confusion.
For example.
"No, I don't want to take this class!"
That's how I feel about this Biology, (LOL!)
That's another topic, for another thread.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I mean that life time members are covered in the new system.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> Did you mean:
> "no life time members are covered."
> or
> "no, life time members are covered."
> Two very different meanings.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
>
>> no life time members are covered.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rania Ismail CMT
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have to
>> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
>> Pathetic!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>>> sounds weird.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>
>>> View this message in a browser.
>>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>>> de375e.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Members and Families,
>>>
>>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>>> support,
>>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>>> that
>>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>>
>>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>>> occasionally
>>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>>
>>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>>
>>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>>
>>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>>
>>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>>> learn
>>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>>> as we
>>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>>
>>> The New Membership Fee
>>>
>>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>>> membership
>>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>>> spring of
>>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>>> supply
>>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>>> building
>>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
>>> products
>>> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>>>
>>> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
>>> the
>>> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
>>> moving forward.
>>>
>>> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
>>> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
>>> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
>>> application
>>> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
>>> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
>>> as
>>> they always have.
>>>
>>> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>>>
>>> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
>>> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
>>> many
>>> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
>>> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
>>> YouTube
>>> and more.
>>>
>>> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
>>> learning.
>>> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Andrew Friedman
>>> President & CEO
>>>
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 04:53:18 2012
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:53:18 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOtJAK0Uk7k7rvPfD6BdcAxwBzp0BZTh9H4KxG4Xx412hQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f0613e7.8908e70a.0f4e.5845@mx.google.com><CAO83KOuynMWUmQn8SeohbqzCT66i7E8J0OhGCE8HoZd2m1OxdA@mail.gmail.com><BF1C0350EE1341B5A4D144343064EF8A@userPC><29DAA84F154F49D69F1A29D5DAC434DB@OwnerPC><568B2D878A284717A2F7DD2A42ED8D7E@stanford.edu><609A1593263E437C8135B341C0130B55@OwnerPC>
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Thanks for clarifying and thanks for the grammar lesson. <Smile!> 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

Good.
Please remember, when you start a sentence with "No," there needs to
be a comma, to clear up the confusion.
For example.
"No, I don't want to take this class!"
That's how I feel about this Biology, (LOL!)
That's another topic, for another thread.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I mean that life time members are covered in the new system.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> Did you mean:
> "no life time members are covered."
> or
> "no, life time members are covered."
> Two very different meanings.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
>
>> no life time members are covered.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rania Ismail CMT
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have
to
>> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
>> Pathetic!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>>> sounds weird.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>
>>> View this message in a browser.
>>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>>> de375e.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Members and Families,
>>>
>>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>>> support,
>>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>>> that
>>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>>
>>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>>> occasionally
>>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>>
>>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>>
>>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>>
>>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>>
>>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>>> learn
>>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>>> as we
>>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>>
>>> The New Membership Fee
>>>
>>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>>> membership
>>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>>> spring of
>>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>>> supply
>>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>>> building
>>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
>>> products
>>> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>>>
>>> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
>>> the
>>> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
>>> moving forward.
>>>
>>> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
>>> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
>>> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
>>> application
>>> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
>>> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
>>> as
>>> they always have.
>>>
>>> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>>>
>>> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
>>> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
>>> many
>>> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
>>> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
>>> YouTube
>>> and more.
>>>
>>> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
>>> learning.
>>> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Andrew Friedman
>>> President & CEO
>>>
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe
>>> http://app.subscribermail.com/unsubscribe?tempid=f33dd504c90f46ce
>>> b594eb6f30de375e&mailid=22677b8b335146709865f1a8d1df0917
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan  6 05:00:05 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 23:00:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
In-Reply-To: <C738883E09904FAAB16D254FBC559454@HUMBERTOAVILA>
References: <4f0613e7.8908e70a.0f4e.5845@mx.google.com>
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	<609A1593263E437C8135B341C0130B55@OwnerPC>
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	<C738883E09904FAAB16D254FBC559454@HUMBERTOAVILA>
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How's it going, Humberto?
Back to the topic of Learning Ally, and accessibility, they should
leave a list of narrarators, on the site, along with samples of their
work.
This would be good, because if a reader likes a particular person's
tone of voice, and they, (the narrarators,) sound professional, that
would give us more of a choice.
We could choose who narrarates our texts, that way.
I didn't particularly appreciate that the narrarator, for my Western
Civ book had an accent, that I couldn't understand.
This narrarator list would help eliminate that problem.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for clarifying and thanks for the grammar lesson. <Smile!>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> Good.
> Please remember, when you start a sentence with "No," there needs to
> be a comma, to clear up the confusion.
> For example.
> "No, I don't want to take this class!"
> That's how I feel about this Biology, (LOL!)
> That's another topic, for another thread.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 1/5/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> I mean that life time members are covered in the new system.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:50 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> Did you mean:
>> "no life time members are covered."
>> or
>> "no, life time members are covered."
>> Two very different meanings.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>>
>>> no life time members are covered.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rania Ismail CMT
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have
> to
>>> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
>>> Pathetic!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>>>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>>>> sounds weird.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>
>>>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>>>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>
>>>> View this message in a browser.
>>>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>>>> de375e.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Members and Families,
>>>>
>>>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>>>> support,
>>>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>>>> that
>>>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>>>
>>>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>>>> occasionally
>>>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>>>
>>>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>>>
>>>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>>>
>>>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>>>
>>>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>>>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>>>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>>>> learn
>>>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>>>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>>>> as we
>>>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>>>
>>>> The New Membership Fee
>>>>
>>>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>>>> membership
>>>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>>>> spring of
>>>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>>>> supply
>>>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>>>> building
>>>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
>>>> products
>>>> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>>>>
>>>> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
>>>> the
>>>> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
>>>> moving forward.
>>>>
>>>> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
>>>> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
>>>> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
>>>> application
>>>> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
>>>> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
>>>> as
>>>> they always have.
>>>>
>>>> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>>>>
>>>> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
>>>> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
>>>> many
>>>> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
>>>> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
>>>> YouTube
>>>> and more.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
>>>> learning.
>>>> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Andrew Friedman
>>>> President & CEO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unsubscribe
>>>> http://app.subscribermail.com/unsubscribe?tempid=f33dd504c90f46ce
>>>> b594eb6f30de375e&mailid=22677b8b335146709865f1a8d1df0917
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Fri Jan  6 05:32:06 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:32:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
References: <4f0613e7.8908e70a.0f4e.5845@mx.google.com><CAO83KOuynMWUmQn8SeohbqzCT66i7E8J0OhGCE8HoZd2m1OxdA@mail.gmail.com><BF1C0350EE1341B5A4D144343064EF8A@userPC><29DAA84F154F49D69F1A29D5DAC434DB@OwnerPC><568B2D878A284717A2F7DD2A42ED8D7E@stanford.edu><609A1593263E437C8135B341C0130B55@OwnerPC><CAO83KOtJAK0Uk7k7rvPfD6BdcAxwBzp0BZTh9H4KxG4Xx412hQ@mail.gmail.com><C738883E09904FAAB16D254FBC559454@HUMBERTOAVILA>
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I don't think that they are going to start having only certain people read 
for the recordings. They are already tight on money, so the last thing that 
they would want to do is get rid of some of their volunteers. I know how 
frustrating it can be, but it is better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO


> How's it going, Humberto?
> Back to the topic of Learning Ally, and accessibility, they should
> leave a list of narrarators, on the site, along with samples of their
> work.
> This would be good, because if a reader likes a particular person's
> tone of voice, and they, (the narrarators,) sound professional, that
> would give us more of a choice.
> We could choose who narrarates our texts, that way.
> I didn't particularly appreciate that the narrarator, for my Western
> Civ book had an accent, that I couldn't understand.
> This narrarator list would help eliminate that problem.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/5/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for clarifying and thanks for the grammar lesson. <Smile!>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:32 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> Good.
>> Please remember, when you start a sentence with "No," there needs to
>> be a comma, to clear up the confusion.
>> For example.
>> "No, I don't want to take this class!"
>> That's how I feel about this Biology, (LOL!)
>> That's another topic, for another thread.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/5/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> I mean that life time members are covered in the new system.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:50 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>> Did you mean:
>>> "no life time members are covered."
>>> or
>>> "no, life time members are covered."
>>> Two very different meanings.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>>
>>>> no life time members are covered.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rania Ismail CMT
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>
>>>> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have
>> to
>>>> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>
>>>> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
>>>> Pathetic!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>>>>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>>>>> sounds weird.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>>>>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>>>>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>
>>>>> View this message in a browser.
>>>>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>>>>> de375e.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Members and Families,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>>>>> support,
>>>>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>>>>> that
>>>>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>>>>> occasionally
>>>>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>>>>
>>>>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>>>>
>>>>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>>>>
>>>>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>>>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>>>>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>>>>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>>>>> learn
>>>>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>>>>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>>>>> as we
>>>>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>>>>
>>>>> The New Membership Fee
>>>>>
>>>>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>>>>> membership
>>>>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>>>>> spring of
>>>>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>>>>> supply
>>>>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>>>>> building
>>>>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
>>>>> products
>>>>> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>>>>>
>>>>> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
>>>>> the
>>>>> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
>>>>> moving forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
>>>>> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
>>>>> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
>>>>> application
>>>>> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
>>>>> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
>>>>> as
>>>>> they always have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>>>>>
>>>>> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
>>>>> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
>>>>> many
>>>>> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
>>>>> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
>>>>> YouTube
>>>>> and more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
>>>>> learning.
>>>>> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Andrew Friedman
>>>>> President & CEO
>>>>>
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  6 07:41:21 2012
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:41:21 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] hiring a driver
In-Reply-To: 64f2d534-c0dc-4d77-84ac-5aaceb039f06@samobile.net
References: <64f2d534-c0dc-4d77-84ac-5aaceb039f06@samobile.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120105233653.01d53340@earthlink.net>

Hi, Jesssica,
Does your area have a comprehensive, Paratransit?

We use Paratransit to go to the gym, early in the mornings before the 
public bus even runs.
If you have a place like that you go on a regular basis and don't 
mind being confined to narrow dictates of a 30-minute, window 
Paratransit is okay. Remember, it ought to be simply about getting to 
a destination, not anything more.

At 04:59 PM 1/4/2012, Jessica Watson wrote:
>I know this subject has come up several times so sorry to bring it 
>up again.  Has anyone ever had to hire a driver?  How does one go 
>about doing this task?  Thanks!
>
>--
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>www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jan  6 09:06:37 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:06:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Jobs BLIND, Inc., Minneapolis
Message-ID: <auto-000043349293@mailfront3.g2host.com>

Job Openings
Buddy Counselor

Dates: July 9, 2012 through August 10, 2012

We at BLIND, Incorporated are seeking dynamic, 
enthusiastic individuals to work as counselors in 
our Buddy Program. This program serves children 
ages 9-13. Applicants must be able to serve as 
role models, and understand and share our 
positive philosophy regarding blindness. These 
individuals must be skilled in the non-visual 
alternative techniques of blindness that we teach 
at our training center. While being a graduate of 
an NFB center is not a requirement, they should 
have the same level of skill, self-confidence, 
and independence that we expect from our graduates.

Required Skills:
• enjoy working with children
• be able to communicate effectively with co-workers and supervisor
• possess patience and the ability to work as part of a team
• enjoy teaching
• ability to read and write Braille
•  proficiency in using word processing, 
spreadsheets, , the internet, and email using 
either the JAWS, VoiceOver, or Window-Eyes screen readers
• Ability to write clear and concise reports on student progress

Note: All applicants must pass a background check.

For more information, contact Charlene 
Guggisberg, Youth & Special Programs Coordinator, 
at 1-800-597-9558 ext. 251 or email a cover 
letter and resume to cguggisberg at blindinc.org.






















Job Openings
PREP (formerly Life 101) Program Counselor

Dates: June 4, 2012 through August 10, 2012

We at BLIND, Incorporated are seeking dynamic, 
enthusiastic individuals to work as counselors in 
our PREP (Post-secondary Readiness & Empowerment) 
Program. This program serves teenagers aged 
14-17. The counselors must be able to serve as 
role models, and understand and share our 
positive philosophy regarding blindness. These 
individuals must be skilled in the non-visual 
alternative techniques of blindness that we teach 
at our training center. While being a graduate of 
an NFB center is not a requirement, they should 
have the same level of skill, self-confidence, 
and independence that we expect from our graduates.

Required Skills:
• enjoy working with teenagers
• be able to communicate effectively with co-workers and supervisor
• possess patience and the ability to work as part of a team
• enjoy teaching
• Ability to read and write Braille
•  proficiency in using word processing, 
spreadsheets, , the internet, and email using 
either the JAWS, VoiceOver, or Window-Eyes screen readers
• ability to write clear and concise reports on student progress

Note: All applicants must pass a background check.

For more information, contact Charlene 
Guggisberg, Youth & Special Programs Coordinator, 
at 1-800-597-9558 ext. 251 or email a cover 
letter and resume to cguggisberg at blindinc.org.
  



From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jan  6 09:42:53 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:42:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The 2012 Premiere Of The Djd Invasion And A Pop
 Tops	Special To Air Tonight On Audio Access FM
In-Reply-To: <023501cccbb3$17a7d000$46f77000$@comcast.net>
References: <72E5EBFCA21348AFB8C9DF93B3B30CC3@pc2011>
	<023501cccbb3$17a7d000$46f77000$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000042662719@mailfront4.g2host.com>

The list is not a place for person to person, private e-mail, please 
take your ongoing correspondence with David to private e-mail.

David Andrews, List Owner

At 08:05 AM 1/5/2012, you wrote:
>Dear david,
>
>First of all happy new year to you and welcome to you 2012 too!
>I'm sorry that I missed Monday night's show and also the other
>festivities after the invasion too. I have had had a busy 2012
>and, it's going to get even busier for me.
>
>Again, I'm sorry that I missed everything. Take care and, I will
>talk to you soon!
>
>
>
>Hugs,
>amy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 3:36 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: [nabs-l] The 2012 Premiere Of The Djd Invasion And A Pop
>Tops Special To Air Tonight On Audio Access FM
>
>Hi Everyone!
>The new year has arrived, annd the 2012 Debut Of The Djd Invasion
>airs tonight.
>Join me at 7 PM eastern for tonight's eclectic Djd Invasion show,
>featuring everything from pop to country to oldies and more.
>Your interactionons and requesst wll help make the night
>interesting and fun. Also, learn about the new Entertainment
>Vault show that will be airing, along with two other shows I know
>you are probably familiar with that may be coming to the station.
>All this, plus all your requests, which you can make by email at
>interact at audioaccessfm.com
>via skype at
>audio.accessfm
>or by phone by dialing
>516-324-2314
>
>Then at 10 PM eastern, we'll be bringing you a Pop Tops Special:
>Happy New Year!
>On this special, we'll be hearing songs that were number 1 on the
>charts during New Years Days past. This should have aired
>earlier, but a technical difficulty prevented this from
>happening. So the special begins after tonight's Djd Invasion
>show.
>To listen to tonight's invasion or Pop Tops Special, tune in
>starting at 7 PM eastern or at any time after to
>http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php
>to tune in!
>Hope to see you there for the premiere in 2012 of The Djd
>Invasion and Pop Tops!
> From David



From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  6 12:58:25 2012
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:58:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email
In-Reply-To: <EF97A0A678D74680BC18537120BCDA7C@OwnerPC>
References: <SNT124-DS19D20AA64B3A255CC8B620BA960@phx.gbl>
	<EF97A0A678D74680BC18537120BCDA7C@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS73161E3225E821640FA4CBA950@phx.gbl>

Hi,
    I use an iPhone 4S, but the experience on iOS should apply across the
board, no matter the device, unless I'm missing something huge.

Liz Bottner
Guiding Eyes Graduate Council
GEB Voicemail:  800-942-0149 Ext. 2531
e-mail: 
liziswhatis at hotmail.com 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Koby Cox
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:14 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email

Liz,
What type of iOS devices do you use?
Right back soon,
Koby.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Liz Bottner
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 10:09 PM
To: freethaught at gmail.com; 'National Association of Blind Students
mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email

Hi,
    If you are looking to have a synchronized e-mail experience across
multiple devices/platforms, I would throw out the idea of setting your
Gmail
up as an Imap instead of a Pop3, if not configured as such already. I
myself
use Outlook 2007 on the Windows side and Apple Mail/Mail on the Mac/iOS
side.

Take care, and let me know if I can be of further help to answer other
questions. I hope that helps some.

Liz Bottner
Guiding Eyes Graduate Council
GEB Voicemail:  800-942-0149 Ext. 2531
e-mail: 
liziswhatis at hotmail.com 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
Of Antonio Guimaraes
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:02 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] managing email

Hello,

I'm wondering how some of you find a way to manage email most 
effectively. What one program do you find fits most of your needs?

I find myself using Thunderbird on a windows XP machine, and 2 windows 7

setups.

I have outlook express on the XP machine, and use Mac OS mail program at

times.

I have the option to use Outlook 2000 and Outlook 2007, but I remember 
not liking Outlook for one reason or another. I would set it up with my 
gmail accounts to see what added features I can get out of the 2007 one,

since it is newer and bound to be more feature-rich.

I often mail from the iPhone.

This almost infinit number of options is daunting since each program 
sorts messages differently, has its own addressbook, and so on.

I have yet to be able to find out how I can purchase a Microsoft 
Exchange account which may be the most logical solution to my problem. 
Quite frankly I've only gotten general information and instruction on 
setting one up.

Any thoughts?

Antonio



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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  6 14:09:18 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 09:09:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
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Joshua,
Even if we knew which narrator they had for our books, they only have one 
group of  volunteer narrators record the book. So we don't have a choice. If 
I cannot understand the narrator, I use a reader. I have not had accent 
issues with them, but I have had those that just did not sound clear.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:00 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

How's it going, Humberto?
Back to the topic of Learning Ally, and accessibility, they should
leave a list of narrarators, on the site, along with samples of their
work.
This would be good, because if a reader likes a particular person's
tone of voice, and they, (the narrarators,) sound professional, that
would give us more of a choice.
We could choose who narrarates our texts, that way.
I didn't particularly appreciate that the narrarator, for my Western
Civ book had an accent, that I couldn't understand.
This narrarator list would help eliminate that problem.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for clarifying and thanks for the grammar lesson. <Smile!>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> Good.
> Please remember, when you start a sentence with "No," there needs to
> be a comma, to clear up the confusion.
> For example.
> "No, I don't want to take this class!"
> That's how I feel about this Biology, (LOL!)
> That's another topic, for another thread.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 1/5/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> I mean that life time members are covered in the new system.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:50 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> Did you mean:
>> "no life time members are covered."
>> or
>> "no, life time members are covered."
>> Two very different meanings.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>>
>>> no life time members are covered.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rania Ismail CMT
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have
> to
>>> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
>>> Pathetic!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>>>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>>>> sounds weird.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>
>>>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>>>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>
>>>> View this message in a browser.
>>>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>>>> de375e.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Members and Families,
>>>>
>>>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>>>> support,
>>>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>>>> that
>>>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>>>
>>>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>>>> occasionally
>>>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>>>
>>>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>>>
>>>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>>>
>>>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>>>
>>>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>>>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>>>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>>>> learn
>>>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>>>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>>>> as we
>>>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>>>
>>>> The New Membership Fee
>>>>
>>>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>>>> membership
>>>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>>>> spring of
>>>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>>>> supply
>>>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>>>> building
>>>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
>>>> products
>>>> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>>>>
>>>> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
>>>> the
>>>> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
>>>> moving forward.
>>>>
>>>> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
>>>> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
>>>> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
>>>> application
>>>> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
>>>> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
>>>> as
>>>> they always have.
>>>>
>>>> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>>>>
>>>> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
>>>> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
>>>> many
>>>> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
>>>> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
>>>> YouTube
>>>> and more.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
>>>> learning.
>>>> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Andrew Friedman
>>>> President & CEO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unsubscribe
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan  6 15:12:56 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 09:12:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
In-Reply-To: <64777DB0D278495C88F3EEA5F1AC5559@OwnerPC>
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This guy that narrarated my Western Civ book sounded like the Crockodile hunter.
I had trouble understanding that Australian accent.
It reminded me of my fifth grade year.
My science teacher made us take notes on videos of the crockodile
hunter, and it was difficult for me.
I had trouble understanding some things.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/6/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> Even if we knew which narrator they had for our books, they only have one
> group of  volunteer narrators record the book. So we don't have a choice. If
> I cannot understand the narrator, I use a reader. I have not had accent
> issues with them, but I have had those that just did not sound clear.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:00 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> How's it going, Humberto?
> Back to the topic of Learning Ally, and accessibility, they should
> leave a list of narrarators, on the site, along with samples of their
> work.
> This would be good, because if a reader likes a particular person's
> tone of voice, and they, (the narrarators,) sound professional, that
> would give us more of a choice.
> We could choose who narrarates our texts, that way.
> I didn't particularly appreciate that the narrarator, for my Western
> Civ book had an accent, that I couldn't understand.
> This narrarator list would help eliminate that problem.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/5/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for clarifying and thanks for the grammar lesson. <Smile!>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:32 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> Good.
>> Please remember, when you start a sentence with "No," there needs to
>> be a comma, to clear up the confusion.
>> For example.
>> "No, I don't want to take this class!"
>> That's how I feel about this Biology, (LOL!)
>> That's another topic, for another thread.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/5/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> I mean that life time members are covered in the new system.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:50 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>> Did you mean:
>>> "no life time members are covered."
>>> or
>>> "no, life time members are covered."
>>> Two very different meanings.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>>
>>>> no life time members are covered.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rania Ismail CMT
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>
>>>> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have
>> to
>>>> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>
>>>> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
>>>> Pathetic!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>>>>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>>>>> sounds weird.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>>>>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>>>>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>
>>>>> View this message in a browser.
>>>>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>>>>> de375e.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Members and Families,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>>>>> support,
>>>>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>>>>> that
>>>>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>>>>> occasionally
>>>>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>>>>
>>>>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>>>>
>>>>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>>>>
>>>>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>>>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>>>>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>>>>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>>>>> learn
>>>>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>>>>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>>>>> as we
>>>>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>>>>
>>>>> The New Membership Fee
>>>>>
>>>>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>>>>> membership
>>>>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>>>>> spring of
>>>>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>>>>> supply
>>>>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>>>>> building
>>>>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
>>>>> products
>>>>> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>>>>>
>>>>> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
>>>>> the
>>>>> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
>>>>> moving forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
>>>>> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
>>>>> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
>>>>> application
>>>>> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
>>>>> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
>>>>> as
>>>>> they always have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>>>>>
>>>>> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
>>>>> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
>>>>> many
>>>>> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
>>>>> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
>>>>> YouTube
>>>>> and more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
>>>>> learning.
>>>>> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Andrew Friedman
>>>>> President & CEO
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From tannis at afb.net  Fri Jan  6 17:51:50 2012
From: tannis at afb.net (Tara Annis)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:51:50 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] torres scholarship
Message-ID: <28DEBD505C185140A61A985DCBAB086A09EB4EB2@SN2PRD0402MB108.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>



Antonio,

The Torres is open to anyone, both US citizen and non-US citizen. Yet, preference is given to non-US citizens and people living in the metro area, which is, I think, NJ, CT, and NY.  The people who  created this scholarship, and donate the money, made up these regulations, since  I believe they wanted to help international students.

The bottom line, it is open to any student who is legally blind.  Yes, you can apply, and do qualify.  



From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 19:13:13 2012
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:13:13 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: job postings
In-Reply-To: <43d2ab976794dcf6f0da8dbaf0248ebc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AczL3Vde31I1igJCSo6PDaZL4F/hTA==>
	<43d2ab976794dcf6f0da8dbaf0248ebc@mail.gmail.com>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Charlene Guggisberg <cguggisberg at blindinc.org>
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:08:00 -0600
Subject: job postings
To: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>

Hello:



The following job postings are for the two summer
programs at BLIND, Incorporated.  There is two pages one for buddy and one
for PREP.




-- 
Darian Smith

"To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the
formula
for a life well lived."

- Dr. Peter Benson
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 20:49:18 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:49:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare (Was RE:  Seems we lost an ally)
Message-ID: <4f075e71.9448e00a.6f2b.ffffc2b0@mx.google.com>

Thanks for the clarification, Allison!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Allison Hilliker <AllisonH at benetech.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:36:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare (Was RE:  Seems we lost an ally)



Joshua Lester wrote: "Bookshare may be our only option, now, if 
only they start doing
textbooks, which I doubt will happen."

Hi Joshua and others,

Yes, Bookshare does make textbooks available to its members.  We 
also take textbook requests from students.  You don't need to go 
through your disability office to request Bookshare books, you 
just need to request a book through the contact us link on our 
website http://www.bookshare.org/contactUs.

Happy reading,
Allison Hilliker

Bookshare Collection Development Associate




-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
They don't care about us, anymore.
Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
Blessings, Joshua


On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:


 Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,

 Ally?
 How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
 Ally? Really? Some ally.  We really are without friends, if 
that's
 what they consider as such.
 Car



   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
 especially once
 you get into college.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the 
Stream read
 a
book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD 
route
whenever possible.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real
 problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If
 a
 blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness 
can be
 reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and 
reads TXT
 files.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
 I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
 I don't have any books for it, now.
 I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  
It's
 really quite simple.
 Patrick

 On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they 
changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a
 cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no 
longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,  more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind
 people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and 
complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the
 main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher 
anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use
 their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning
 Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have
 come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues, and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 20:49:30 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:49:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f075e7d.9448e00a.6f2b.ffffc2bc@mx.google.com>

Hi everyone,

I agree with you, Ashley! Actually, it seems as though although 
they changed their site, it's the download manager software 
that's inaccessible, not the Web site itself.  As I was scanning 
my email after downloading it last night, I saw two messages 
pertaining to Learning Ally: one which was sent by Learning Ally 
to all their customers, of which I am one, with the subject "a 
message from Learning Ally's CEO," and the second from Joshua 
Lester to the NABS list with a subject having something to do 
with Learning Ally's CEO; I think it was a forward of Learning 
Ally's email.  I will be sure to read those emails and see what 
Learning Ally's officials have to say before forming any opinions 
as to whether they care about us or not and as to whether to 
still write the letter to them and/or contact Dr.  Maurer.  At 
this point, I personally am not making any assumptions about 
RFBD's officials and their collective caring or lack thereof 
about us and our access to the material they provide, and am 
taking Antonio's word for it, as he seems to know people at RFBD 
and has reason to support his assertion that they "have our best 
interest in mind."

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:16:23 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Hi Joshua,
Actually, I think they still do good in some areas; nice customer 
service
reps and they braille the cd sleeves so you know what book is 
inside.
I think they will redo their site if someone tells them.
And I don't know an organization that has more textbooks than 
learning ally.
Now with the daisy format, you can jump to particular pages and 
peruse a
book faster than before.  I remember the days of four track 
tapes.  Also, I
know what its like to use readers, having them not show up and 
getting
behind in your work or having a reader quit mid semester.  So
while they are flawed, IMO its better than before.

And how can you say they don't care? Have you talked to them 
about it and
gotten a response?
I doubt it.  We cannot make assumptions about them without some 
statement
from them.  I do agree it does not seem like their an ally now.  
Can you have
a sighted person help you navigate the screen till they get it 
fixed? You
can still use them
Unfortunately, accessibility when you are a minority is an after 
thought.  No
it should not be that way, but sadly it is.

Ashley


-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
They don't care about us, anymore.
Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
Blessings, Joshua


On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:


 Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,

 Ally?
 How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
 Ally? Really? Some ally.  We really are without friends, if 
that's
 what they consider as such.
 Car



   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
 especially once
 you get into college.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the 
Stream
read
 a
book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD 
route
whenever possible.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real
 problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If
 a
 blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness 
can be
 reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and 
reads TXT
 files.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
 I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
 I don't have any books for it, now.
 I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  
It's
 really quite simple.
 Patrick

 On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
 changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have a
 cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
 longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,
 more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places
 like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind
 people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
 complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the
 main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
 anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the 
services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use
 their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning
 Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have
 come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues,
 and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 21:24:47 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:24:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f0766c2.066de00a.38ae.ffffc1f3@mx.google.com>

Do you mean DTB? If so, that's the one you want.  If you have 
Humanware Companion, just save the file to your computer and 
Companion will move it to the Stream's SD card, placing it in the 
Talking Books bookshelf.  The Stream can read HTML, and will 
place those books in the Text Files bookshelf.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:26:27 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Hi,
Can anyone tell me when down loading books from bookshare, if I 
want to put
the book on my victor stream I thought I should download the 
daizy version
of the book.  When I extract the zipped file I get a few choices 
like DTD or
html.  Which of the files do I choose to put on my stream? Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 Hi Joshua,
 Actually, I think they still do good in some areas; nice 
customer service
 reps and they braille the cd sleeves so you know what book is 
inside.
 I think they will redo their site if someone tells them.
 And I don't know an organization that has more textbooks than 
learning
 ally.  Now with the daisy format, you can jump to particular 
pages and
 peruse a book faster than before.  I remember the days of four 
track tapes.
 Also, I know what its like to use readers, having them not show 
up and
 getting behind in your work or having a reader quit mid 
semester.  So
 while they are flawed, IMO its better than before.

 And how can you say they don't care? Have you talked to them 
about it and
 gotten a response?
 I doubt it.  We cannot make assumptions about them without some 
statement
 from them.  I do agree it does not seem like their an ally now.  
Can you
 have a sighted person help you navigate the screen till they get 
it fixed?
 You can still use them
 Unfortunately, accessibility when you are a minority is an after 
thought.
 No it should not be that way, but sadly it is.

 Ashley


 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
 They don't care about us, anymore.
 Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
 textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
 Blessings, Joshua


 On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:


 Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,

 Ally?
 How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
 Ally? Really? Some ally.  We really are without friends, if 
that's
 what they consider as such.
 Car



   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
 especially once
 you get into college.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the 
Stream
read
 a
book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD
route
whenever possible.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real
 problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.
 If
 a
 blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness 
can
 be
 reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and 
reads TXT
 files.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
 I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
 I don't have any books for it, now.
 I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  
It's
 really quite simple.
 Patrick

 On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
 changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have
 a
 cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
 longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,
 more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully
 it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player
 is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places
 like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind
 people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let
 them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
 complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the
 main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
 anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with
 the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
 services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use
 their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people
 like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning
 Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have
 come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues,
 and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 21:24:49 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:24:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: Victor Stream for sale
Message-ID: <4f0766c4.066de00a.38ae.ffffc1f5@mx.google.com>



 ---- Original Message ------
From: "Alan Robbins" <arobbin2 at nycap.rr.com
Subject: [Vrstream] Victor Stream for Sale
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:34:36 -0500

Good afternoon,

I have a Victor Stream that I no longer use.  I would
consider taking offers over $225.00.  It is in excellent
condition.  I have all the original packaging, cables, etc.
It has an 8 GB card and also comes with the additional Soft
Pack.  Write back off list with questions and/or offers.

Thanks
Al


The VR Stream list is configured so that when using Control-R in 
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 21:24:51 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:24:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f0766c5.066de00a.38ae.ffffc1f6@mx.google.com>

Both will work.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:53:28 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

I'd think HTML, (because,) that's text only.
Gloria, please E-mail me offlist.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/4/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi,
 Can anyone tell me when down loading books from bookshare, if I 
want to put
 the book on my victor stream I thought I should download the 
daizy version
 of the book.  When I extract the zipped file I get a few choices 
like DTD or
 html.  Which of the files do I choose to put on my stream? 
Thanks
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 Hi Joshua,
 Actually, I think they still do good in some areas; nice 
customer service
 reps and they braille the cd sleeves so you know what book is 
inside.
 I think they will redo their site if someone tells them.
 And I don't know an organization that has more textbooks than 
learning
 ally.  Now with the daisy format, you can jump to particular 
pages and
 peruse a book faster than before.  I remember the days of four 
track tapes.

 Also, I know what its like to use readers, having them not show 
up and
 getting behind in your work or having a reader quit mid 
semester.  So
 while they are flawed, IMO its better than before.

 And how can you say they don't care? Have you talked to them 
about it and
 gotten a response?
 I doubt it.  We cannot make assumptions about them without some 
statement
 from them.  I do agree it does not seem like their an ally now.  
Can you
 have a sighted person help you navigate the screen till they get 
it fixed?

 You can still use them
 Unfortunately, accessibility when you are a minority is an after 
thought.
 No it should not be that way, but sadly it is.

 Ashley


 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
 They don't care about us, anymore.
 Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
 textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
 Blessings, Joshua


 On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:


 Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,

 Ally?
 How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
 Ally? Really? Some ally.  We really are without friends, if 
that's
 what they consider as such.
 Car



   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
 especially once
 you get into college.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the 
Stream
read
 a
book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD
route
whenever possible.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real
 problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.
 If
 a
 blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness 
can
 be
 reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and 
reads TXT
 files.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
 I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
 I don't have any books for it, now.
 I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  
It's
 really quite simple.
 Patrick

 On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
 changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have
 a
 cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
 longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,
 more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully
 it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player
 is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places
 like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind
 people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let
 them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
 complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the
 main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
 anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with
 the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
 services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use
 their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people
 like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning
 Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have
 come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues,
 and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 21:31:40 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:31:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
References: <4f0613e7.8908e70a.0f4e.5845@mx.google.com><CAO83KOuynMWUmQn8SeohbqzCT66i7E8J0OhGCE8HoZd2m1OxdA@mail.gmail.com><BF1C0350EE1341B5A4D144343064EF8A@userPC><29DAA84F154F49D69F1A29D5DAC434DB@OwnerPC><568B2D878A284717A2F7DD2A42ED8D7E@stanford.edu><609A1593263E437C8135B341C0130B55@OwnerPC><CAO83KOtJAK0Uk7k7rvPfD6BdcAxwBzp0BZTh9H4KxG4Xx412hQ@mail.gmail.com><C738883E09904FAAB16D254FBC559454@HUMBERTOAVILA>
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I feel as much as we want things to get worked out complaining about the 
littest things are going to do nothing but frestrate us even more. I feel we 
should be greatful for the little we do have because many years ago blind 
people had to break their necks to get things done or find a trade to get 
them by. As blind people today we have more doors open to us and for that we 
should be greatful. I just thought we should remember this when we are 
focusing only on the negative.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO


> How's it going, Humberto?
> Back to the topic of Learning Ally, and accessibility, they should
> leave a list of narrarators, on the site, along with samples of their
> work.
> This would be good, because if a reader likes a particular person's
> tone of voice, and they, (the narrarators,) sound professional, that
> would give us more of a choice.
> We could choose who narrarates our texts, that way.
> I didn't particularly appreciate that the narrarator, for my Western
> Civ book had an accent, that I couldn't understand.
> This narrarator list would help eliminate that problem.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/5/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for clarifying and thanks for the grammar lesson. <Smile!>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:32 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> Good.
>> Please remember, when you start a sentence with "No," there needs to
>> be a comma, to clear up the confusion.
>> For example.
>> "No, I don't want to take this class!"
>> That's how I feel about this Biology, (LOL!)
>> That's another topic, for another thread.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/5/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> I mean that life time members are covered in the new system.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:50 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>> Did you mean:
>>> "no life time members are covered."
>>> or
>>> "no, life time members are covered."
>>> Two very different meanings.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>>
>>>> no life time members are covered.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rania Ismail CMT
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>
>>>> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have
>> to
>>>> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>
>>>> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
>>>> Pathetic!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>>>>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>>>>> sounds weird.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>>>>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>>>>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>
>>>>> View this message in a browser.
>>>>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>>>>> de375e.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Members and Families,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>>>>> support,
>>>>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>>>>> that
>>>>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>>>>> occasionally
>>>>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>>>>
>>>>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>>>>
>>>>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>>>>
>>>>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>>>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>>>>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>>>>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>>>>> learn
>>>>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>>>>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>>>>> as we
>>>>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>>>>
>>>>> The New Membership Fee
>>>>>
>>>>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>>>>> membership
>>>>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>>>>> spring of
>>>>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>>>>> supply
>>>>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>>>>> building
>>>>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
>>>>> products
>>>>> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>>>>>
>>>>> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
>>>>> the
>>>>> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
>>>>> moving forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
>>>>> financial assistance. Adult members and parents of students who
>>>>> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
>>>>> application
>>>>> and send it to Learning Ally for review. Approved applicants will
>>>>> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
>>>>> as
>>>>> they always have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>>>>>
>>>>> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
>>>>> educational tools and resources. Please share Learning Ally's
>>>>> many
>>>>> success stories with your friends and colleagues. Visit our blog
>>>>> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
>>>>> YouTube
>>>>> and more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
>>>>> learning.
>>>>> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Andrew Friedman
>>>>> President & CEO
>>>>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan  6 21:38:46 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:38:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
In-Reply-To: <D52CB80C3A884984A21325DA7151D9B1@Gloria>
References: <4f0613e7.8908e70a.0f4e.5845@mx.google.com>
	<CAO83KOuynMWUmQn8SeohbqzCT66i7E8J0OhGCE8HoZd2m1OxdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BF1C0350EE1341B5A4D144343064EF8A@userPC>
	<29DAA84F154F49D69F1A29D5DAC434DB@OwnerPC>
	<568B2D878A284717A2F7DD2A42ED8D7E@stanford.edu>
	<609A1593263E437C8135B341C0130B55@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOtJAK0Uk7k7rvPfD6BdcAxwBzp0BZTh9H4KxG4Xx412hQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<C738883E09904FAAB16D254FBC559454@HUMBERTOAVILA>
	<CAO83KOsWfw47qH=+Obj0vzfm7dpHMCEyGW9_zLqOyFSXsC-oJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D52CB80C3A884984A21325DA7151D9B1@Gloria>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOt1G=k2bEygbARYoN9DfjVyHd8Uzvi6EiQZ3y3EBfwECg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm grateful for what I have.
Things can get better though.
Thank God for Bookshare!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/6/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> I feel as much as we want things to get worked out complaining about the
> littest things are going to do nothing but frestrate us even more. I feel we
> should be greatful for the little we do have because many years ago blind
> people had to break their necks to get things done or find a trade to get
> them by. As blind people today we have more doors open to us and for that we
> should be greatful. I just thought we should remember this when we are
> focusing only on the negative.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 11:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
>
>> How's it going, Humberto?
>> Back to the topic of Learning Ally, and accessibility, they should
>> leave a list of narrarators, on the site, along with samples of their
>> work.
>> This would be good, because if a reader likes a particular person's
>> tone of voice, and they, (the narrarators,) sound professional, that
>> would give us more of a choice.
>> We could choose who narrarates our texts, that way.
>> I didn't particularly appreciate that the narrarator, for my Western
>> Civ book had an accent, that I couldn't understand.
>> This narrarator list would help eliminate that problem.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/5/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks for clarifying and thanks for the grammar lesson. <Smile!>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:32 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>> Good.
>>> Please remember, when you start a sentence with "No," there needs to
>>> be a comma, to clear up the confusion.
>>> For example.
>>> "No, I don't want to take this class!"
>>> That's how I feel about this Biology, (LOL!)
>>> That's another topic, for another thread.
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/5/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> I mean that life time members are covered in the new system.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:50 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>
>>>> Did you mean:
>>>> "no life time members are covered."
>>>> or
>>>> "no, life time members are covered."
>>>> Two very different meanings.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> no life time members are covered.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rania Ismail CMT
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>>
>>>>> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have
>>> to
>>>>> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>>
>>>>> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
>>>>> Pathetic!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>>>>>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>>>>>> sounds weird.
>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>>>>>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> View this message in a browser.
>>>>>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>>>>>> de375e.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Members and Families,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>>>>>> support,
>>>>>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>>>>>> occasionally
>>>>>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>>>>>>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
>>>>>> disability, we took on a more inclusive name. "Learning Ally"
>>>>>> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>> differently. When you consider that one in five individuals has a
>>>>>> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
>>>>>> as we
>>>>>> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The New Membership Fee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
>>>>>> membership
>>>>>> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
>>>>>> spring of
>>>>>> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
>>>>>> supply
>>>>>> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
>>>>>> building
>>>>>> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
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From leanicole1988 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 21:54:46 2012
From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:54:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: Victor Stream for sale
In-Reply-To: <4f0766c4.066de00a.38ae.ffffc1f5@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <CAD0KW=bcY9Ma81bk4TLDib0uLUpmMUKyb2+Z79H8VDUHBD+mTw@mail.gmail.com>

do you have a phone number? thanks.


On 1/6/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  ---- Original Message ------
> From: "Alan Robbins" <arobbin2 at nycap.rr.com
> Subject: [Vrstream] Victor Stream for Sale
> Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:34:36 -0500
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> I have a Victor Stream that I no longer use.  I would
> consider taking offers over $225.00.  It is in excellent
> condition.  I have all the original packaging, cables, etc.
> It has an 8 GB card and also comes with the additional Soft
> Pack.  Write back off list with questions and/or offers.
>
> Thanks
> Al
>
>
> The VR Stream list is configured so that when using Control-R in
> most e-mail programs, message replies will go directly to the
> sender of the message.  To reply to the entire list, use the
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From maryesanchez at grandecom.net  Fri Jan  6 22:00:09 2012
From: maryesanchez at grandecom.net (Mary Ellen Sanchez)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:00:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: Victor Stream for sale
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I would be interested in this as well.

-----Original Message-----
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Of Lea williams
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 3:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] fw: Victor Stream for sale

do you have a phone number? thanks.


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>
>
>  ---- Original Message ------
> From: "Alan Robbins" <arobbin2 at nycap.rr.com
> Subject: [Vrstream] Victor Stream for Sale Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 
> 15:34:36 -0500
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> I have a Victor Stream that I no longer use.  I would consider taking 
> offers over $225.00.  It is in excellent condition.  I have all the 
> original packaging, cables, etc.
> It has an 8 GB card and also comes with the additional Soft Pack.  
> Write back off list with questions and/or offers.
>
> Thanks
> Al
>
>
> The VR Stream list is configured so that when using Control-R in most 
> e-mail programs, message replies will go directly to the sender of the 
> message.  To reply to the entire list, use the "reply all" function of 
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 22:30:59 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:30:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
Message-ID: <4f077646.4d71e00a.166c.0fe7@mx.google.com>

That is unless it comes from the list bounces address "on behalf 
of" whoever posted it.  I don't know how that works, but some 
people's "original message, from" headings come out that way.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:15:11 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

You must have lost it.
Here it is.
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
BTW, when people post, their E-mail addresses show up on the 
list,
after their name.
That's how I found yours.
Blessings, Joshua
On 1/4/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
 hey Joushua what is your email address so I can email you off 
list.
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 I'd think HTML, (because,) that's text only.
 Gloria, please E-mail me offlist.
 Thanks, Joshua

 On 1/4/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi,
 Can anyone tell me when down loading books from bookshare, if I 
want to
 put
 the book on my victor stream I thought I should download the 
daizy
 version
 of the book.  When I extract the zipped file I get a few choices 
like DTD
 or
 html.  Which of the files do I choose to put on my stream? 
Thanks
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 Hi Joshua,
 Actually, I think they still do good in some areas; nice 
customer
 service
 reps and they braille the cd sleeves so you know what book is 
inside.
 I think they will redo their site if someone tells them.
 And I don't know an organization that has more textbooks than 
learning
 ally.  Now with the daisy format, you can jump to particular 
pages and
 peruse a book faster than before.  I remember the days of four 
track
 tapes.

 Also, I know what its like to use readers, having them not show 
up and
 getting behind in your work or having a reader quit mid 
semester.  So
 while they are flawed, IMO its better than before.

 And how can you say they don't care? Have you talked to them 
about it
 and
 gotten a response?
 I doubt it.  We cannot make assumptions about them without some 
statement
 from them.  I do agree it does not seem like their an ally now.  
Can you
 have a sighted person help you navigate the screen till they get 
it
 fixed?

 You can still use them
 Unfortunately, accessibility when you are a minority is an after
 thought.
 No it should not be that way, but sadly it is.

 Ashley


 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
 They don't care about us, anymore.
 Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
 textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
 Blessings, Joshua


 On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:


 Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,

 Ally?
 How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
 Ally? Really? Some ally.  We really are without friends, if 
that's
 what they consider as such.
 Car



   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
 especially once
 you get into college.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the 
Stream
read
 a
book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD
route
whenever possible.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real
 problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.
 If
 a
 blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness 
can
 be
 reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and 
reads
 TXT
 files.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
 I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
 I don't have any books for it, now.
 I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  
It's
 really quite simple.
 Patrick

 On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out
 the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
 changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you
 have
 a
 cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
 longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,
 more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully
 it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player
 is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr
 strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places
 like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.
 With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on
 learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind
 people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let
 them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
 complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the
 main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
 anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with
 the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
 services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use
 their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their
 You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people
 like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning
 Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have
 come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
 access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
 providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues,
 and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight
 on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Fri Jan  6 22:35:57 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:35:57 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
References: <4f077646.4d71e00a.166c.0fe7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <742846A8EC6C44398D9319AE1793444A@stanford.edu>

Joshua,

    No, not all email programs show the email address after the name. If you 
go to the from field and copy and paste the name in to the to field of a new 
email that works, but it will not show the email address unless you put it 
in a Microsoft word document or something.

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


> That is unless it comes from the list bounces address "on behalf of" 
> whoever posted it.  I don't know how that works, but some people's 
> "original message, from" headings come out that way.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real 
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a 
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be 
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:15:11 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> You must have lost it.
> Here it is.
> jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> BTW, when people post, their E-mail addresses show up on the list,
> after their name.
> That's how I found yours.
> Blessings, Joshua
> On 1/4/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> hey Joushua what is your email address so I can email you off list.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
> I'd think HTML, (because,) that's text only.
> Gloria, please E-mail me offlist.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 1/4/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Can anyone tell me when down loading books from bookshare, if I want to
> put
> the book on my victor stream I thought I should download the daizy
> version
> of the book.  When I extract the zipped file I get a few choices like DTD
> or
> html.  Which of the files do I choose to put on my stream? Thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
> Hi Joshua,
> Actually, I think they still do good in some areas; nice customer
> service
> reps and they braille the cd sleeves so you know what book is inside.
> I think they will redo their site if someone tells them.
> And I don't know an organization that has more textbooks than learning
> ally.  Now with the daisy format, you can jump to particular pages and
> peruse a book faster than before.  I remember the days of four track
> tapes.
>
> Also, I know what its like to use readers, having them not show up and
> getting behind in your work or having a reader quit mid semester.  So
> while they are flawed, IMO its better than before.
>
> And how can you say they don't care? Have you talked to them about it
> and
> gotten a response?
> I doubt it.  We cannot make assumptions about them without some statement
> from them.  I do agree it does not seem like their an ally now.  Can you
> have a sighted person help you navigate the screen till they get it
> fixed?
>
> You can still use them
> Unfortunately, accessibility when you are a minority is an after
> thought.
> No it should not be that way, but sadly it is.
>
> Ashley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
> They don't care about us, anymore.
> Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
> textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
>
> On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
>
> Ally?
> How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
> Ally? Really? Some ally.  We really are without friends, if that's
> what they consider as such.
> Car
>
>
>
>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
> especially once
> you get into college.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
> I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream
> read
> a
> book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD
> route
> whenever possible.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.
> If
> a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
> be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads
> TXT
> files.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
> I don't have any books for it, now.
> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
> really quite simple.
> Patrick
>
> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Wow!
> I still use the CD player for my classes.
> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Antonio,
> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out
> the
> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
> changed
> it.
> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you
> have
> a
> cd
> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
> longer
> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,
> more
> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully
> it
> works!
> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player
> is
> IMO
> easy to use and simple.
>
> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr
> strattus,
> which
> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places
> like
> nls
> and learning ally.
>
> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.
> With
> changing
> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on
> learning
> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
> correct
> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind
> people
> have
> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let
> them
> forget
> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
> something
> is
> not accessible won't help.
>
> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
> complex
> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the
> main
> page
> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
> anymore
> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with
> the
> same
> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
> frustrated,
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Guimaraes
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
> Dear NABS members,
>
> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
> services
> we've come to know in previous years.
>
> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
> their
> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their
> You
> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people
> like
> you for some feedback.
>
> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
> Ally's
> download features.
>
> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have
> come
> up against issues with the download service.
>
> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
> access
> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
> providing
> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>
> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues,
> and
> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight
> on
> Learning Ally's part.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
>
>
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  7 00:55:48 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:55:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOudpxE2RW0OpuWgs_Xnn1veS=7d7x0-1N4uWWV9zJFnTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f0613e7.8908e70a.0f4e.5845@mx.google.com><CAO83KOuynMWUmQn8SeohbqzCT66i7E8J0OhGCE8HoZd2m1OxdA@mail.gmail.com><BF1C0350EE1341B5A4D144343064EF8A@userPC><29DAA84F154F49D69F1A29D5DAC434DB@OwnerPC><568B2D878A284717A2F7DD2A42ED8D7E@stanford.edu><609A1593263E437C8135B341C0130B55@OwnerPC><CAO83KOtJAK0Uk7k7rvPfD6BdcAxwBzp0BZTh9H4KxG4Xx412hQ@mail.gmail.com><C738883E09904FAAB16D254FBC559454@HUMBERTOAVILA><CAO83KOsWfw47qH=+Obj0vzfm7dpHMCEyGW9_zLqOyFSXsC-oJA@mail.gmail.com><64777DB0D278495C88F3EEA5F1AC5559@OwnerPC>
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I cannot understand all their readers either. In that case, I use a reader 
and use the audio book for the parts I can understand.  Sadly, we cannot 
choose the readers on the CDS.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:12 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

This guy that narrarated my Western Civ book sounded like the Crockodile 
hunter.
I had trouble understanding that Australian accent.
It reminded me of my fifth grade year.
My science teacher made us take notes on videos of the crockodile
hunter, and it was difficult for me.
I had trouble understanding some things.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/6/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> Even if we knew which narrator they had for our books, they only have one
> group of  volunteer narrators record the book. So we don't have a choice. 
> If
> I cannot understand the narrator, I use a reader. I have not had accent
> issues with them, but I have had those that just did not sound clear.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:00 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> How's it going, Humberto?
> Back to the topic of Learning Ally, and accessibility, they should
> leave a list of narrarators, on the site, along with samples of their
> work.
> This would be good, because if a reader likes a particular person's
> tone of voice, and they, (the narrarators,) sound professional, that
> would give us more of a choice.
> We could choose who narrarates our texts, that way.
> I didn't particularly appreciate that the narrarator, for my Western
> Civ book had an accent, that I couldn't understand.
> This narrarator list would help eliminate that problem.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/5/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for clarifying and thanks for the grammar lesson. <Smile!>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:32 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>
>> Good.
>> Please remember, when you start a sentence with "No," there needs to
>> be a comma, to clear up the confusion.
>> For example.
>> "No, I don't want to take this class!"
>> That's how I feel about this Biology, (LOL!)
>> That's another topic, for another thread.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/5/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> I mean that life time members are covered in the new system.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:50 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>> Did you mean:
>>> "no life time members are covered."
>>> or
>>> "no, life time members are covered."
>>> Two very different meanings.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>
>>>
>>>> no life time members are covered.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rania Ismail CMT
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>
>>>> So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership would have
>> to
>>>> pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>
>>>> They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
>>>> Pathetic!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
>>>>> better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
>>>>> sounds weird.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
>>>>> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
>>>>> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>>>>> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>
>>>>> View this message in a browser.
>>>>> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
>>>>> de375e.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Members and Families,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
>>>>> support,
>>>>> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
>>>>> that
>>>>> brought major changes to our organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
>>>>> occasionally
>>>>> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>>>>>
>>>>> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>>>>>
>>>>> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 02:33:02 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:02 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
Message-ID: <4f07af01.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff69e@mx.google.com>

No mention of any accessibility issues there.  This raises a 
question: do they still not know the download manager isn't 
accessible or do they just not care?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

Look at this message from Learning Ally.
Thanks, Joshua

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu

View this message in a browser.
http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
de375e.htm


Dear Members and Families,

As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the 
support,
guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year 
that
brought major changes to our organization.

I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up 
occasionally
since July, when we began charging for household memberships.

Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally

To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:

 - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
 - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.

Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
disability, we took on a more inclusive name.  "Learning Ally"
expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who 
learn
differently.  When you consider that one in five individuals has 
a
learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed 
as we
grow to help everyone who needs us!

The New Membership Fee

Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my 
membership
now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the 
spring of
2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to 
supply
services to our members (maintaining our production studios, 
building
our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new 
products
like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).

Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to 
the
cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
moving forward.

That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
financial assistance.  Adult members and parents of students who
struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver 
application
and send it to Learning Ally for review.  Approved applicants 
will
receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library, 
as
they always have.

Looking to 2012 and Beyond

We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
educational tools and resources.  Please share Learning Ally's 
many
success stories with your friends and colleagues.  Visit our blog
often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook, 
YouTube
and more.

Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of 
learning.
We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!

Sincerely,
Andrew Friedman
President & CEO


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 02:33:14 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:14 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
Message-ID: <4f07af0e.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff6a7@mx.google.com>

The number is read in the beginning each book you get from them.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:41:20 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

I'm not sure, but I'd E-mail customer Service, just to be sure.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Is their number still the same?

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
 Of Joshua Lester
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:24 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 You might contact them, and ask them.
 BTW, (Rania,) I need to E-mail you offlist, so please be 
expecting it.
 Thanks, Joshua

 On 1/5/12, Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
 So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership 
would have to
 pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf
 Of Joshua Lester
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
 Pathetic!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
 Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
 better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
 sounds weird.
 Beth

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 Look at this message from Learning Ally.
 Thanks, Joshua

 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
 Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
 To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu

 View this message in a browser.
 
http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
 de375e.htm


 Dear Members and Families,

 As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
 support,
 guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a 
year
 that
 brought major changes to our organization.

 I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
 occasionally
 since July, when we began charging for household memberships.

 Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally

 To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:

  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.

 Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with 
a
 disability, we took on a more inclusive name.  "Learning Ally"
 expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
 learn
 differently.  When you consider that one in five individuals has 
a
 learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
 as we
 grow to help everyone who needs us!

 The New Membership Fee

 Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
 membership
 now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
 spring of
 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
 supply
 services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
 building
 our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
 products
 like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).

 Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly 
to
 the
 cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
 moving forward.

 That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
 financial assistance.  Adult members and parents of students who
 struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
 application
 and send it to Learning Ally for review.  Approved applicants 
will
 receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
 as
 they always have.

 Looking to 2012 and Beyond

 We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
 educational tools and resources.  Please share Learning Ally's
 many
 success stories with your friends and colleagues.  Visit our 
blog
 often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
 YouTube
 and more.

 Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
 learning.
 We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!

 Sincerely,
 Andrew Friedman
 President & CEO


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 02:33:04 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:04 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Another meeting has been scheduled
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I really hope so! Let us know!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:03:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Another meeting has been scheduled

Well, here we go again!
Another DSB meeting has been scheduled.
This time for Monday, at 1 PM.
Hopefully, this time, she'll show up!
Blessings, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 02:33:12 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Another meeting has been scheduled
Message-ID: <4f07af0a.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff6a4@mx.google.com>

It's the state rehab office in Arkansas.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:42:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another meeting has been scheduled

yeah I hope so.  Did you say this is your school counselor or vr 
counselor?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Another meeting has been scheduled

Well, here we go again!
Another DSB meeting has been scheduled.
This time for Monday, at 1 PM.
Hopefully, this time, she'll show up!
Blessings, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 02:33:23 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
Message-ID: <4f07af15.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff6b0@mx.google.com>

Ashley,

I use Humanware Companion to transfer the books.

Chris
"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:24:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Marsha,
You are ahead of me.  I did not find the download link.  What is 
it called?
I'd like to download it and try to read books, even if I have to 
get sighted
assistance.  After its downloaded, do you just copy it to the vr 
stream
talking book folder or how do you get them on the stream?

-----Original Message-----
From: Marsha Drenth
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 4:53 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the 
life of me
figure this out.  I downloaded there stupid new download manager.  
The book is
in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download.  What 
am I
missing? Can anyone help.



Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this 
book for an
hour now.  I think I would rather get a root canal.  I am pretty 
sure this is
not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book.  It is 
the site is
inaccessible.  So I sent a polite but stern email to their 
customer service
department.



I urge those others who are having problems to email them too.  
This is the
ONLY way we are going to get change.



Marsha

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 02:33:22 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
Message-ID: <4f07af15.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff6ae@mx.google.com>

I just thought of something; does everybody have Dr.  Maurer's 
email address? If not, it is officeofthepresident at nfb.org.  Also, 
John Pare is the executive director of strategic initiatives, 
which is to say he's the guy in charge of all our advocacy and 
governmental affairs work.  His email is jpare at nfb.org.

Also, if this issue isn't resolved by then and we don't get some 
kind of serious commitment/response from Learning Ally, Dr.  
Maurer will be on the Thru Our Eyes Internet radio show on 
January 18th at 8 PM Eastern.  There was an email sent out to all 
NFB-NET list members about this interview, which many of you 
probably saw.  The interview is entitled "Ask the President," 
which means they'll be encouraging calls by listeners to ask Dr.  
Maurer any questions you may have about the Federation and our 
work or the work ahead.  I'd suggest calling into the show and 
telling him about this on live Internet radio; maybe that'll get 
their attention! * Smile! I am thinking of doing this, but if 
anyone who has more firsthand experience with this new software 
can call in and give firsthand accounts of how this software is 
inaccessible and the effect that inaccessibility has had on you, 
that would be a lot better than me calling in and relaying 
information from the many reports of that program's 
inaccessibility on this list.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:48:54 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Marsha, please E-mail Dr Maurer, if the Customer Services don't 
get back to you.
We need to stop these corporate companies from making their stuff 
inaccessible!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/4/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
 First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the 
life of me
 figure this out.  I downloaded there stupid new download 
manager.  The book is
 in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download.  What 
am I
 missing? Can anyone help.



 Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this 
book for an
 hour now.  I think I would rather get a root canal.  I am pretty 
sure this is
 not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book.  It is 
the site is
 inaccessible.  So I sent a polite but stern email to their 
customer service
 department.



 I urge those others who are having problems to email them too.  
This is the
 ONLY way we are going to get change.



 Marsha

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 02:33:21 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:21 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
Message-ID: <4f07af13.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff6ad@mx.google.com>

Marsha,

Apparently their new download manager software is inaccessible, 
as well as some of the features of their Web site, as is evident 
in the recent thread on
this list entitled "seems we have lost an ally," which is a very 
true statement it seems.  I still say contact the NFB; this seems 
to be an issue that would be better resolved by the blind working 
together and with one strong, loud voice in the form of the 
Federation's advocacy.  I have not contacted Dr.  Maurer yet as I 
suggested in a recent post about this topic, as I am waiting to 
see how it all plays out before I get the Federation involved.  
It seems that many of us have contacted RFBD's customer service 
department about this issue and have been very stern about it, 
which is a good thing.  To all of those who contacted RFBD as of 
this writing, and to those who are planning to contact them, 
please keep us posted on any response you get from them.
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:53:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the 
life of me
figure this out.  I downloaded there stupid new download manager.  
The book is
in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download.  What 
am I
missing? Can anyone help.



Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this 
book for an
hour now.  I think I would rather get a root canal.  I am pretty 
sure this is
not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book.  It is 
the site is
inaccessible.  So I sent a polite but stern email to their 
customer service
department.



I urge those others who are having problems to email them too.  
This is the
ONLY way we are going to get change.



Marsha

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 02:33:27 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] hiring a driver
Message-ID: <4f07af1a.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff6b7@mx.google.com>

Hey Jessica! Welcome to the list, if you haven't been on here 
before and I just haven't seen you post! :)

Chris (from the NFBMD convention, I ate lunch with you and Nate)

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jessica Watson <netgirl at samobile.net
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:59:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] hiring a driver

I know this subject has come up several times so sorry to bring 
it up
again.  Has anyone ever had to hire a driver?  How does one go 
about
doing this task?  Thanks!

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 02:33:40 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:40 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: assistive technology fund
Message-ID: <4f07af27.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff6c4@mx.google.com>

FYI:

 ---- Original Message ------
From: "Beverly Hunter" <bhunter at nfbga.org
Subject: [Electronics-talk] Assistive Technology Fund
Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:16:08 -0500

I thought you might be interested in this resource:

Operated by the Association of Blind Citizens, the fund provides 
financial resources to cover 50% of the retail price of adaptive 
devices or software.  Products covered by this program retail for 
a minimum of $200 and a maximum of $6,000.  Persons eligible to 
apply for assistance have a family income of less than $50,000 
and cash assets of less than $20,000.

Applications must be submitted by June 30th and December 31st for 
each grant period (two per year).  Applicants may submit one 
request per calendar year.  All applications must be submitted 
via e-mail.  The ATF is limited to U.S.  residents who are 
legally blind.

Follow this link for more information and instructions about the 
ATF.
http://www.blindcitizens.org/assistive_tech.htm

Elena King, ABOC, Customer Service
Mattingly Low Vision, Inc.
2361 Bear Rock Glen
Escondido, CA 92026
P 888.642.0842
F 760.888.4955
Elena at MattinglyLowVision.com
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 02:33:28 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:28 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] hiring a driver
Message-ID: <4f07af1b.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff6b8@mx.google.com>

Good idea for a NABS call! Send that idea to 
nabs.membership at gmail.com or to Darian Smith! Maybe we can talk 
about that sometimes.  I think it's also a good idea to talk 
about hiring readers on a conference call sometime!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:10:35 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hiring a driver

Do they not teach this in Orientation and mobility? At least my 
orentation
and mobility instructor taught me this! I'm not upset at you 
Jessica, I'm
upset this issue hasn't been discussed at conferences...  The 
conference
calls I mean! RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jessica Watson" <netgirl at samobile.net
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:59 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] hiring a driver


I know this subject has come up several times so sorry to bring 
it up
again.  Has anyone ever had to hire a driver?  How does one go 
about doing
this task?  Thanks!

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sat Jan  7 02:42:22 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:42:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
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References: <4f07af15.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff6ae@mx.google.com>
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I'm E-mailing Customer Service for Learning Ally first.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/6/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just thought of something; does everybody have Dr.  Maurer's
> email address? If not, it is officeofthepresident at nfb.org.  Also,
> John Pare is the executive director of strategic initiatives,
> which is to say he's the guy in charge of all our advocacy and
> governmental affairs work.  His email is jpare at nfb.org.
>
> Also, if this issue isn't resolved by then and we don't get some
> kind of serious commitment/response from Learning Ally, Dr.
> Maurer will be on the Thru Our Eyes Internet radio show on
> January 18th at 8 PM Eastern.  There was an email sent out to all
> NFB-NET list members about this interview, which many of you
> probably saw.  The interview is entitled "Ask the President,"
> which means they'll be encouraging calls by listeners to ask Dr.
> Maurer any questions you may have about the Federation and our
> work or the work ahead.  I'd suggest calling into the show and
> telling him about this on live Internet radio; maybe that'll get
> their attention! * Smile! I am thinking of doing this, but if
> anyone who has more firsthand experience with this new software
> can call in and give firsthand accounts of how this software is
> inaccessible and the effect that inaccessibility has had on you,
> that would be a lot better than me calling in and relaying
> information from the many reports of that program's
> inaccessibility on this list.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:48:54 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
>
> Marsha, please E-mail Dr Maurer, if the Customer Services don't
> get back to you.
> We need to stop these corporate companies from making their stuff
> inaccessible!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/4/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>  First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the
> life of me
>  figure this out.  I downloaded there stupid new download
> manager.  The book is
>  in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download.  What
> am I
>  missing? Can anyone help.
>
>
>
>  Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this
> book for an
>  hour now.  I think I would rather get a root canal.  I am pretty
> sure this is
>  not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book.  It is
> the site is
>  inaccessible.  So I sent a polite but stern email to their
> customer service
>  department.
>
>
>
>  I urge those others who are having problems to email them too.
> This is the
>  ONLY way we are going to get change.
>
>
>
>  Marsha
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 02:33:33 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question
Message-ID: <4f07af20.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff6bd@mx.google.com>

Haha! Email me off list please!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Zach" <zach2012 at chickerland.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:08:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

tomorrow! I'm not going to call you at midnight no way!



Zach Dreicer-Griego
Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

OK, thanks! Give me a call on my cell so we can try it both with
the BrailleNote and with JAWS.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zach" <zach2012 at chickerland.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:20:09 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

I'll call and we can try to trouble shoot at that time



Zach Dreicer-Griego
Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:15 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

Is that a button or a link? I haven't found anything on the
mobile site that says "join group."

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zach" <zach2012 at chickerland.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:07:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook question

type in their name at the search box, click start, fing their
name from the
list and then click join group



Zach Dreicer-Griego
Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 5:48 PM
To: NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook question

Hi everyone,

How do I join a group on the Facebook mobile site?
Thanks for any help,

Chris

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real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 02:33:26 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
Message-ID: <4f07af19.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff6b4@mx.google.com>

Haha! * Smile! Well, we can't occupy it...  it's inaccessible; 
that's the point! :)

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:48:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

I agree.  Thse corporate weird people, for lack of a better way
to put it, are doing sommething pretty rdrastic because they want
to forget about us.  No wonder so many people are trying to
occupy this world.  We should occupy learning ally's
inaccessiblesite.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:48:54 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Marsha, please E-mail Dr Maurer, if the Customer Services don't
get back to you.
We need to stop these corporate companies from making their stuff
inaccessible!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/4/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
 First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the
life of me
 figure this out.  I downloaded there stupid new download 
manager.
The book is
 in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download.  What
am I
 missing? Can anyone help.



 Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this
book for an
 hour now.  I think I would rather get a root canal.  I am pretty
sure this is
 not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book.  It is
the site is
 inaccessible.  So I sent a polite but stern email to their
customer service
 department.



 I urge those others who are having problems to email them too.
This is the
 ONLY way we are going to get change.



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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sat Jan  7 02:36:18 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:36:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
In-Reply-To: <4f07af01.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff69e@mx.google.com>
References: <4f07af01.0e6fe00a.3c4b.fffff69e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOtnUYV2GaznattMi=XrgknwERjg76ZjirmZnOmDX8=o8g@mail.gmail.com>

Chris, please call them on Monday.
Ask them, and let us know, on the list, what they tell you.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/6/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> No mention of any accessibility issues there.  This raises a
> question: do they still not know the download manager isn't
> accessible or do they just not care?
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
>
> Look at this message from Learning Ally.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
> Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
> To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>
> View this message in a browser.
> http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
> de375e.htm
>
>
> Dear Members and Families,
>
> As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
> support,
> guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a year
> that
> brought major changes to our organization.
>
> I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
> occasionally
> since July, when we began charging for household memberships.
>
> Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally
>
> To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:
>
>  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
>  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.
>
> Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with a
> disability, we took on a more inclusive name.  "Learning Ally"
> expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
> learn
> differently.  When you consider that one in five individuals has
> a
> learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
> as we
> grow to help everyone who needs us!
>
> The New Membership Fee
>
> Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
> membership
> now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
> spring of
> 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
> supply
> services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
> building
> our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
> products
> like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).
>
> Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly to
> the
> cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
> moving forward.
>
> That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
> financial assistance.  Adult members and parents of students who
> struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
> application
> and send it to Learning Ally for review.  Approved applicants
> will
> receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
> as
> they always have.
>
> Looking to 2012 and Beyond
>
> We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
> educational tools and resources.  Please share Learning Ally's
> many
> success stories with your friends and colleagues.  Visit our blog
> often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
> YouTube
> and more.
>
> Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
> learning.
> We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!
>
> Sincerely,
> Andrew Friedman
> President & CEO
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 03:15:26 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:15:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't access it!
Message-ID: <4f07b8f1.8546e00a.7dd9.ffffca91@mx.google.com>

Hi all,

For some reason, I can't access the National Federation of the 
Blind (NFB) site, nfb.org, with my BrailleNote.  Whenever I go to 
it, it comes up with a "enter network password" dialog, like the 
ones that appear when you log into NLS Web Braille.  Username and 
password? Um...  I don't have any username or password to access 
the NFB site, and have never needed one.  So what's going on? Is 
there something going on with the NFB site or is it a problem 
with my BrailleNote? Can someone on the BrailleNote list test 
this and make sure it's not just me? Thanks!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sat Jan  7 03:16:28 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:16:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] News, about Learning Ally
Message-ID: <CAO83KOsKiECHFkqzwhRE7xH0B34hxAaEs=Bc4ttcVZvsOM1wcA@mail.gmail.com>

I just E-mailed Customer Service.
I'll forward their response, when I get it.
I also told them, that I felt, that they didn't care for our needs as
the blind, by removing us out of their name.
I was as polite as I know how, so hopefully, they'll respect that.
Blessings, Joshua


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 03:39:23 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:39:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
Message-ID: <4f07be8e.0849e00a.4172.6b0a@mx.google.com>

Glad screen readers have some expression, LOL!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:53:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

Thanks for clarifying and thanks for the grammar lesson.  <Smile!

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

Good.
Please remember, when you start a sentence with "No," there needs 
to
be a comma, to clear up the confusion.
For example.
"No, I don't want to take this class!"
That's how I feel about this Biology, (LOL!)
That's another topic, for another thread.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 I mean that life time members are covered in the new system.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:50 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 Did you mean:
 "no life time members are covered."
 or
 "no, life time members are covered."
 Two very different meanings.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO


 no life time members are covered.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Rania Ismail CMT
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership 
would have
to
 pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf
 Of Joshua Lester
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
 Pathetic!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
 Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
 better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
 sounds weird.
 Beth

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 Look at this message from Learning Ally.
 Thanks, Joshua

 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
 Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
 To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu

 View this message in a browser.
 
http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
 de375e.htm


 Dear Members and Families,

 As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
 support,
 guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a 
year
 that
 brought major changes to our organization.

 I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
 occasionally
 since July, when we began charging for household memberships.

 Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally

 To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:

  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.

 Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with 
a
 disability, we took on a more inclusive name.  "Learning Ally"
 expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
 learn
 differently.  When you consider that one in five individuals has 
a
 learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
 as we
 grow to help everyone who needs us!

 The New Membership Fee

 Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
 membership
 now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
 spring of
 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
 supply
 services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
 building
 our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
 products
 like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).

 Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly 
to
 the
 cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
 moving forward.

 That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
 financial assistance.  Adult members and parents of students who
 struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
 application
 and send it to Learning Ally for review.  Approved applicants 
will
 receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
 as
 they always have.

 Looking to 2012 and Beyond

 We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
 educational tools and resources.  Please share Learning Ally's
 many
 success stories with your friends and colleagues.  Visit our 
blog
 often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
 YouTube
 and more.

 Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
 learning.
 We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!

 Sincerely,
 Andrew Friedman
 President & CEO


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 03:39:25 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:39:25 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
Message-ID: <4f07be90.0849e00a.4172.6b0b@mx.google.com>

It's a good idea, but I don't think they'd do that,
as it would be pretty hard for them to hand-select narrators for 
each student's request.

Chris
"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 23:00:05 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

How's it going, Humberto?
Back to the topic of Learning Ally, and accessibility, they 
should
leave a list of narrarators, on the site, along with samples of 
their
work.
This would be good, because if a reader likes a particular 
person's
tone of voice, and they, (the narrarators,) sound professional, 
that
would give us more of a choice.
We could choose who narrarates our texts, that way.
I didn't particularly appreciate that the narrarator, for my 
Western
Civ book had an accent, that I couldn't understand.
This narrarator list would help eliminate that problem.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/5/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Thanks for clarifying and thanks for the grammar lesson.  
<Smile!

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
 Of Joshua Lester
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:32 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 Good.
 Please remember, when you start a sentence with "No," there 
needs to
 be a comma, to clear up the confusion.
 For example.
 "No, I don't want to take this class!"
 That's how I feel about this Biology, (LOL!)
 That's another topic, for another thread.
 Thanks, Joshua

 On 1/5/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 I mean that life time members are covered in the new system.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:50 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 Did you mean:
 "no life time members are covered."
 or
 "no, life time members are covered."
 Two very different meanings.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO


 no life time members are covered.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Rania Ismail CMT
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:18 PM
 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 So would that mean those of us who had a lifetime membership 
would have
 to
 pay for our membership? It doesn't answer that either!

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf
 Of Joshua Lester
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:23 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 They don't even mention the inaccessibility complaints!
 Pathetic!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/5/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
 Some of that sounds very canned to me.  I couldn't have said it
 better on Twitter.  I don't see this as a good response.  This
 sounds weird.
 Beth

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 Look at this message from Learning Ally.
 Thanks, Joshua

 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
 Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
 To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu

 View this message in a browser.
 
http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
 de375e.htm


 Dear Members and Families,

 As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
 support,
 guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a 
year
 that
 brought major changes to our organization.

 I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
 occasionally
 since July, when we began charging for household memberships.

 Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally

 To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:

  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.

 Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with 
a
 disability, we took on a more inclusive name.  "Learning Ally"
 expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
 learn
 differently.  When you consider that one in five individuals has 
a
 learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
 as we
 grow to help everyone who needs us!

 The New Membership Fee

 Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
 membership
 now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
 spring of
 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
 supply
 services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
 building
 our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
 products
 like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).

 Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly 
to
 the
 cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
 moving forward.

 That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
 financial assistance.  Adult members and parents of students who
 struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
 application
 and send it to Learning Ally for review.  Approved applicants 
will
 receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
 as
 they always have.

 Looking to 2012 and Beyond

 We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
 educational tools and resources.  Please share Learning Ally's
 many
 success stories with your friends and colleagues.  Visit our 
blog
 often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
 YouTube
 and more.

 Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
 learning.
 We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!

 Sincerely,
 Andrew Friedman
 President & CEO


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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 04:12:04 2012
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:12:04 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't access it!
In-Reply-To: <4f07b8f1.8546e00a.7dd9.ffffca91@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <663A44FE2AF24D42A6891396E2A92CAA@HUMBERTOAVILA>

Hello Chris,

Something must be wrong with your Braille Note. Just as I finished reading
this email message, I quickly pressed windows+R to get to my run dialog box
and typed in www.nfb.org. My internet explorer came up, and the page loaded
ordinarily, correctly, and without flaws of any kind. Try pressing reset on
your Braille note, see if this works. 
Also if the problem persists, try pressing reset with dots 1-2-3 keys held
down together until you hear the Humanware music. This reset clears out the
memory, and any ram used up by your files and programs. If this reset does
not solve the problem, then try doing a hard reset. This reset is design for
wiping out the contents of the keysoft system disk modified by the user,
which means it will delete anything that you have saved there, so you should
be careful on when to do it. However, this type of reset also eliminates all
your temporary internet files, saved cookies, and downloaded data and
passwords for KeyWeb, the internet browser. This reset involves holding down
dots 4-5-6 and then pressing reset while still holding those keys. After
hearing the official Braille Note Humanware music, release them. You should
now be fine of any errors on your internet web visits. 

I know, this used to happen with mine, and I even got memory usage errors. 

Hope this helps you.

Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:15 PM
To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list; BrailleNote
list
Subject: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't access it!

Hi all,

For some reason, I can't access the National Federation of the 
Blind (NFB) site, nfb.org, with my BrailleNote.  Whenever I go to 
it, it comes up with a "enter network password" dialog, like the 
ones that appear when you log into NLS Web Braille.  Username and 
password? Um...  I don't have any username or password to access 
the NFB site, and have never needed one.  So what's going on? Is 
there something going on with the NFB site or is it a problem 
with my BrailleNote? Can someone on the BrailleNote list test 
this and make sure it's not just me? Thanks!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 04:33:53 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:33:53 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
Message-ID: <4f07cb3b.a668320a.631a.31b9@mx.google.com>

Idk what we should do honestly.  But we need to
ddo something to send them a message that their software needs to 
be accessible or else something else will occur.
Beth
 ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:26 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Haha! * Smile! Well, we can't occupy it...  it's inaccessible;
that's the point! :)

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:48:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

I agree.  Thse corporate weird people, for lack of a better way
to put it, are doing sommething pretty rdrastic because they want
to forget about us.  No wonder so many people are trying to
occupy this world.  We should occupy learning ally's
inaccessiblesite.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:48:54 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Marsha, please E-mail Dr Maurer, if the Customer Services don't
get back to you.
We need to stop these corporate companies from making their stuff
inaccessible!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/4/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
 First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the
life of me
 figure this out.  I downloaded there stupid new download
manager.
The book is
 in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download.  What
am I
 missing? Can anyone help.



 Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this
book for an
 hour now.  I think I would rather get a root canal.  I am pretty
sure this is
 not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book.  It is
the site is
 inaccessible.  So I sent a polite but stern email to their
customer service
 department.



 I urge those others who are having problems to email them too.
This is the
 ONLY way we are going to get change.



 Marsha

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From jty727 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 04:45:45 2012
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 23:45:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
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I honestly don't know why they changed the old way it use to work.
This was much more user friendly.  I have tried to download books from
them and I have faced the similar situations that those who have tired
to do the same.  I did contact customer services and the reply was
with a user manual to the manager.  I didn't realize that it was
inaccessible at the time I just wanted information on how to use it.
I missed the message about the Ask the President.  Thanks for passing
along those emails as well I didn't know them.

As Beth says something must be done soon.

Justin

On 1/6/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Idk what we should do honestly.  But we need to
> ddo something to send them a message that their software needs to
> be accessible or else something else will occur.
> Beth
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:26 -0800
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
>
> Haha! * Smile! Well, we can't occupy it...  it's inaccessible;
> that's the point! :)
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:48:04 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
>
> I agree.  Thse corporate weird people, for lack of a better way
> to put it, are doing sommething pretty rdrastic because they want
> to forget about us.  No wonder so many people are trying to
> occupy this world.  We should occupy learning ally's
> inaccessiblesite.
> Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:48:54 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
>
> Marsha, please E-mail Dr Maurer, if the Customer Services don't
> get back to you.
> We need to stop these corporate companies from making their stuff
> inaccessible!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/4/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>  First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the
> life of me
>  figure this out.  I downloaded there stupid new download
> manager.
> The book is
>  in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download.  What
> am I
>  missing? Can anyone help.
>
>
>
>  Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this
> book for an
>  hour now.  I think I would rather get a root canal.  I am pretty
> sure this is
>  not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book.  It is
> the site is
>  inaccessible.  So I sent a polite but stern email to their
> customer service
>  department.
>
>
>
>  I urge those others who are having problems to email them too.
> This is the
>  ONLY way we are going to get change.
>
>
>
>  Marsha
>
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From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 05:12:30 2012
From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 00:12:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't access it!
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	<663A44FE2AF24D42A6891396E2A92CAA@HUMBERTOAVILA>
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Chris,
Another problem may be in how you are accessing the internet with your
BrailleNote. If you're doing it wirelessly, then you'll want a
wireless network. That in turn will involve usernames and passwords.
Patrick

On 1/6/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Chris,
>
> Something must be wrong with your Braille Note. Just as I finished reading
> this email message, I quickly pressed windows+R to get to my run dialog box
> and typed in www.nfb.org. My internet explorer came up, and the page loaded
> ordinarily, correctly, and without flaws of any kind. Try pressing reset on
> your Braille note, see if this works.
> Also if the problem persists, try pressing reset with dots 1-2-3 keys held
> down together until you hear the Humanware music. This reset clears out the
> memory, and any ram used up by your files and programs. If this reset does
> not solve the problem, then try doing a hard reset. This reset is design for
> wiping out the contents of the keysoft system disk modified by the user,
> which means it will delete anything that you have saved there, so you should
> be careful on when to do it. However, this type of reset also eliminates all
> your temporary internet files, saved cookies, and downloaded data and
> passwords for KeyWeb, the internet browser. This reset involves holding down
> dots 4-5-6 and then pressing reset while still holding those keys. After
> hearing the official Braille Note Humanware music, release them. You should
> now be fine of any errors on your internet web visits.
>
> I know, this used to happen with mine, and I even got memory usage errors.
>
> Hope this helps you.
>
> Humberto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:15 PM
> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list; BrailleNote
> list
> Subject: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't access it!
>
> Hi all,
>
> For some reason, I can't access the National Federation of the
> Blind (NFB) site, nfb.org, with my BrailleNote.  Whenever I go to
> it, it comes up with a "enter network password" dialog, like the
> ones that appear when you log into NLS Web Braille.  Username and
> password? Um...  I don't have any username or password to access
> the NFB site, and have never needed one.  So what's going on? Is
> there something going on with the NFB site or is it a problem
> with my BrailleNote? Can someone on the BrailleNote list test
> this and make sure it's not just me? Thanks!
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 09:09:24 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 01:09:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: assistive technology fund
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Thanks for shareing!

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 6:34 PM
To: NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: assistive technology fund

FYI:

 ---- Original Message ------
From: "Beverly Hunter" <bhunter at nfbga.org
Subject: [Electronics-talk] Assistive Technology Fund
Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:16:08 -0500

I thought you might be interested in this resource:

Operated by the Association of Blind Citizens, the fund provides 
financial resources to cover 50% of the retail price of adaptive 
devices or software.  Products covered by this program retail for 
a minimum of $200 and a maximum of $6,000.  Persons eligible to 
apply for assistance have a family income of less than $50,000 
and cash assets of less than $20,000.

Applications must be submitted by June 30th and December 31st for 
each grant period (two per year).  Applicants may submit one 
request per calendar year.  All applications must be submitted 
via e-mail.  The ATF is limited to U.S.  residents who are 
legally blind.

Follow this link for more information and instructions about the 
ATF.
http://www.blindcitizens.org/assistive_tech.htm

Elena King, ABOC, Customer Service
Mattingly Low Vision, Inc.
2361 Bear Rock Glen
Escondido, CA 92026
P 888.642.0842
F 760.888.4955
Elena at MattinglyLowVision.com
www.MattinglyLowVision.com



      
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  7 15:39:04 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:39:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] News, about Learning Ally
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Everyone,
If you do post private comments to a public list, you should remove the 
sender's name.
Its almost flaming to post private email from someone to a public list. So 
at least remove their name. Copy and paste in the note rather than 
forwarding. Someone forwarded the note from the CEO; that is fine IMO, 
because it was a general email sent to all customers. I got one too.
If you copy and paste the text in, no one sees the sender's name in the 
email headings

Just saying. I know if I were delivering a service,  I would not want a 
customer to post a private message to a public list.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] News, about Learning Ally

I just E-mailed Customer Service.
I'll forward their response, when I get it.
I also told them, that I felt, that they didn't care for our needs as
the blind, by removing us out of their name.
I was as polite as I know how, so hopefully, they'll respect that.
Blessings, Joshua

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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 15:39:28 2012
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:39:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
Message-ID: <290A04AA3F3647CE9F4BC6C8F0C0C441@Cptr233>

Fellow Students,

 

As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service people at
Learning Ally. In their response to me, I received the attached file. Now I
haven't quite got this process to work. And it is by no means completely
accessible. Perhaps this will help someone figure it out better than I have.
I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a root canal.
When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be telling them
how they can improve. 

 

Good luck,

marsha 

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From troubleclark at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 16:10:30 2012
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:10:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't access it!
In-Reply-To: <CAN+-G_AUbdVFGYo2CHPe0=yV7URLPA2-B_wXjrYAs0oce5sTuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f07b8f1.8546e00a.7dd9.ffffca91@mx.google.com>
	<663A44FE2AF24D42A6891396E2A92CAA@HUMBERTOAVILA>
	<CAN+-G_AUbdVFGYo2CHPe0=yV7URLPA2-B_wXjrYAs0oce5sTuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB4OJj4RQWibpgR-xWzPxNNt7_KCYNLyyhw-RoxD91EQx7U1-w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Chris,
The NFB website is up and working as of right now.
Sincerely,
Nathan

On 1/7/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris,
> Another problem may be in how you are accessing the internet with your
> BrailleNote. If you're doing it wirelessly, then you'll want a
> wireless network. That in turn will involve usernames and passwords.
> Patrick
>
> On 1/6/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Chris,
>>
>> Something must be wrong with your Braille Note. Just as I finished reading
>> this email message, I quickly pressed windows+R to get to my run dialog
>> box
>> and typed in www.nfb.org. My internet explorer came up, and the page
>> loaded
>> ordinarily, correctly, and without flaws of any kind. Try pressing reset
>> on
>> your Braille note, see if this works.
>> Also if the problem persists, try pressing reset with dots 1-2-3 keys held
>> down together until you hear the Humanware music. This reset clears out
>> the
>> memory, and any ram used up by your files and programs. If this reset does
>> not solve the problem, then try doing a hard reset. This reset is design
>> for
>> wiping out the contents of the keysoft system disk modified by the user,
>> which means it will delete anything that you have saved there, so you
>> should
>> be careful on when to do it. However, this type of reset also eliminates
>> all
>> your temporary internet files, saved cookies, and downloaded data and
>> passwords for KeyWeb, the internet browser. This reset involves holding
>> down
>> dots 4-5-6 and then pressing reset while still holding those keys. After
>> hearing the official Braille Note Humanware music, release them. You
>> should
>> now be fine of any errors on your internet web visits.
>>
>> I know, this used to happen with mine, and I even got memory usage errors.
>>
>> Hope this helps you.
>>
>> Humberto
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:15 PM
>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list; BrailleNote
>> list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't access it!
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> For some reason, I can't access the National Federation of the
>> Blind (NFB) site, nfb.org, with my BrailleNote.  Whenever I go to
>> it, it comes up with a "enter network password" dialog, like the
>> ones that appear when you log into NLS Web Braille.  Username and
>> password? Um...  I don't have any username or password to access
>> the NFB site, and have never needed one.  So what's going on? Is
>> there something going on with the NFB site or is it a problem
>> with my BrailleNote? Can someone on the BrailleNote list test
>> this and make sure it's not just me? Thanks!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
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>>
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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 16:12:42 2012
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:12:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How I Use the Learning Ally site
Message-ID: <CABORmNu=c9Zps0X2sNQ9vrOd9JoTLu=X-hLg5u-vSuq_C8aXDg@mail.gmail.com>

Good day all,
I thought I'd post about the changes in the Learning Ally site,a nd
what can be done for a temporary fix, so people can get their books
for this semester/quarter. So, here's what I do. First, I kept the old
RFBD Download Manager, as the new Learing Ally download manager is not
accessible. Then, I go to the book I want and select "Add to my
Bookshelf." This will put the book in my bookshelf, obviously. Third,
I go to the bookshelf when the book is ready. I look for the book by
using the "g" hotkey for graphics...each book has a graphic of the
cover. Then, I go to the combo box. If I want the book in Daisy, I hit
D; if I want it in WMA, I hit W.

Now, in some computers, this download will be blocked the first time.
If this happens, you neeed to press F6 until you get to the drop-down
bar. I get sighted assistance with this, since it's hard to know where
to press enter. The assistant will need to pclick where it says "Click
here for options" and select Download, then Retry."

Once the computer is not blocking, it will send the book to your RFBD
Download Manager as it would do before the changes were made.

This is equivalent to GMail users using the Plain Text version instead
of the new version of GMail. It is an inferior method, but for people
who need their books now, it's a viable option. I am not saying we
shouldn't push them to make their new download manager accessible; I
am all for that. I am just saying, for those who really need their
books like I do, this is the temproary fix.

Hope that helps,
Jewel


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 16:44:13 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:44:13 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Web site update: it works now!
Message-ID: <4f087680.85d5e00a.60c4.747b@mx.google.com>

Hi everyone,

Just a short update to my post about the National Federation of 
the Blind (NFB) site from last night.  Mary Willows, the 
president of the NFB of California, responded to my email via the 
NFB Talk list last night saying that the problem was not just 
happening with me, and there appeared to be a problem with the 
site itself.  She went on to say that she had contacted the NFB 
national office about this, and they were hopefully going to fix 
the issue soon.  I tried again this morning, and the site was 
back to normal, without asking for any credentials! So, our 
webmasters have apparently fixed the problem, and it works now! 
Just thought I would let you know!
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 16:56:32 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:56:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: Victor Stream for sale
Message-ID: <4f087964.0e6fe00a.3c4b.35c7@mx.google.com>

Just email Allen at the address he provides.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Ellen Sanchez" <maryesanchez at grandecom.net
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:00:09 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] fw: Victor Stream for sale

I would be interested in this as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Lea williams
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 3:55 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] fw: Victor Stream for sale

do you have a phone number? thanks.


On 1/6/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:


  ---- Original Message ------
 From: "Alan Robbins" <arobbin2 at nycap.rr.com
 Subject: [Vrstream] Victor Stream for Sale Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 
2012
 15:34:36 -0500

 Good afternoon,

 I have a Victor Stream that I no longer use.  I would consider 
taking
 offers over $225.00.  It is in excellent condition.  I have all 
the
 original packaging, cables, etc.
 It has an 8 GB card and also comes with the additional Soft 
Pack.
 Write back off list with questions and/or offers.

 Thanks
 Al


 The VR Stream list is configured so that when using Control-R in 
most
 e-mail programs, message replies will go directly to the sender 
of the
 message.  To reply to the entire list, use the "reply all" 
function of
 your e-mail program; usually
 Control-Shift-R._______________________________________________
 Vrstream mailing list
 Vrstream at vrstreamusers.org
 
http://mail.vrstreamusers.org/mailman/listinfo/vrstream_vrstreamu
 sers.org

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704-732-4470
Skipe;
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 16:56:30 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:56:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: Victor Stream for sale
Message-ID: <4f087961.0e6fe00a.3c4b.35c5@mx.google.com>

Sorry, he only gave an email address.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:54:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] fw: Victor Stream for sale

do you have a phone number? thanks.


On 1/6/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:


  ---- Original Message ------
 From: "Alan Robbins" <arobbin2 at nycap.rr.com
 Subject: [Vrstream] Victor Stream for Sale
 Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:34:36 -0500

 Good afternoon,

 I have a Victor Stream that I no longer use.  I would
 consider taking offers over $225.00.  It is in excellent
 condition.  I have all the original packaging, cables, etc.
 It has an 8 GB card and also comes with the additional Soft
 Pack.  Write back off list with questions and/or offers.

 Thanks
 Al


 The VR Stream list is configured so that when using Control-R in
 most e-mail programs, message replies will go directly to the
 sender of the message.  To reply to the entire list, use the
 "reply all" function of your e-mail program; usually
 Control-Shift-R._______________________________________________
 Vrstream mailing list
 Vrstream at vrstreamusers.org
 
http://mail.vrstreamusers.org/mailman/listinfo/vrstream_vrstreamu
 sers.org

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704-732-4470
Skipe;
Lea.williams738
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Twitter
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  7 17:19:39 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 12:19:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Web site update: it works now!
In-Reply-To: <4f087680.85d5e00a.60c4.747b@mx.google.com>
References: <4f087680.85d5e00a.60c4.747b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <44740E85EA284583BB55486D86F0C603@OwnerPC>

yes I was on it today

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 11:44 AM
To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org ; NFB Blind Talk list ; NFB NABS list ; BrailleNote 
list
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Web site update: it works now!

Hi everyone,

Just a short update to my post about the National Federation of
the Blind (NFB) site from last night.  Mary Willows, the
president of the NFB of California, responded to my email via the
NFB Talk list last night saying that the problem was not just
happening with me, and there appeared to be a problem with the
site itself.  She went on to say that she had contacted the NFB
national office about this, and they were hopefully going to fix
the issue soon.  I tried again this morning, and the site was
back to normal, without asking for any credentials! So, our
webmasters have apparently fixed the problem, and it works now!
Just thought I would let you know!
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

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From jty727 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 18:48:13 2012
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:48:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
In-Reply-To: <290A04AA3F3647CE9F4BC6C8F0C0C441@Cptr233>
References: <290A04AA3F3647CE9F4BC6C8F0C0C441@Cptr233>
Message-ID: <CA+3U9s4GpnOck4HbgOPVnZrzG68wk3Yi6_spgxcCwLwhLqp4-g@mail.gmail.com>

I received this same thing when I sent a message about how to access
it.  Yes it is difficult I know

On 1/7/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
> Fellow Students,
>
>
>
> As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service people at
> Learning Ally. In their response to me, I received the attached file. Now I
> haven't quite got this process to work. And it is by no means completely
> accessible. Perhaps this will help someone figure it out better than I have.
> I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a root canal.
> When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be telling them
> how they can improve.
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> marsha
>
>


From jty727 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 18:51:31 2012
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:51:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How I Use the Learning Ally site
In-Reply-To: <CABORmNu=c9Zps0X2sNQ9vrOd9JoTLu=X-hLg5u-vSuq_C8aXDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABORmNu=c9Zps0X2sNQ9vrOd9JoTLu=X-hLg5u-vSuq_C8aXDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+3U9s5bBhWeCzL5QvAuyjcGO8C+WwfSSxTe2BZSJtWfvV+cOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes this is very helpful!  Thank you so much Jewel!  And yes I agree
with you that it is only a temporary fix.

Thanks again and hope alls great=)

Justin

On 1/7/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good day all,
> I thought I'd post about the changes in the Learning Ally site,a nd
> what can be done for a temporary fix, so people can get their books
> for this semester/quarter. So, here's what I do. First, I kept the old
> RFBD Download Manager, as the new Learing Ally download manager is not
> accessible. Then, I go to the book I want and select "Add to my
> Bookshelf." This will put the book in my bookshelf, obviously. Third,
> I go to the bookshelf when the book is ready. I look for the book by
> using the "g" hotkey for graphics...each book has a graphic of the
> cover. Then, I go to the combo box. If I want the book in Daisy, I hit
> D; if I want it in WMA, I hit W.
>
> Now, in some computers, this download will be blocked the first time.
> If this happens, you neeed to press F6 until you get to the drop-down
> bar. I get sighted assistance with this, since it's hard to know where
> to press enter. The assistant will need to pclick where it says "Click
> here for options" and select Download, then Retry."
>
> Once the computer is not blocking, it will send the book to your RFBD
> Download Manager as it would do before the changes were made.
>
> This is equivalent to GMail users using the Plain Text version instead
> of the new version of GMail. It is an inferior method, but for people
> who need their books now, it's a viable option. I am not saying we
> shouldn't push them to make their new download manager accessible; I
> am all for that. I am just saying, for those who really need their
> books like I do, this is the temproary fix.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Jewel
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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From jty727 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 19:29:01 2012
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:29:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How I Use the Learning Ally site
In-Reply-To: <CABORmNu=c9Zps0X2sNQ9vrOd9JoTLu=X-hLg5u-vSuq_C8aXDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABORmNu=c9Zps0X2sNQ9vrOd9JoTLu=X-hLg5u-vSuq_C8aXDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+3U9s6srk4dVgdV2DFp4UCiDF+qm287U-RxbNOBSxQppPfY+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jewel again,

Just wanted to let you know that I tried the steps you laid out in
your previous message and they work fine.  I'm not sure what kind of
computer you have, but I have a PC.  With mine when I got to the part
where you are asked if you want to unblock or whatever it says I hit
alt + n and it goes to an option area where JAWS reads the options
available there.  I forget if you hit enter first then down arrow to
the download or just down arrow to the download.  I just wanted to let
you know that is the way I did it when I was playing with it.

Thanks again and talk soon,

Justin

On 1/7/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good day all,
> I thought I'd post about the changes in the Learning Ally site,a nd
> what can be done for a temporary fix, so people can get their books
> for this semester/quarter. So, here's what I do. First, I kept the old
> RFBD Download Manager, as the new Learing Ally download manager is not
> accessible. Then, I go to the book I want and select "Add to my
> Bookshelf." This will put the book in my bookshelf, obviously. Third,
> I go to the bookshelf when the book is ready. I look for the book by
> using the "g" hotkey for graphics...each book has a graphic of the
> cover. Then, I go to the combo box. If I want the book in Daisy, I hit
> D; if I want it in WMA, I hit W.
>
> Now, in some computers, this download will be blocked the first time.
> If this happens, you neeed to press F6 until you get to the drop-down
> bar. I get sighted assistance with this, since it's hard to know where
> to press enter. The assistant will need to pclick where it says "Click
> here for options" and select Download, then Retry."
>
> Once the computer is not blocking, it will send the book to your RFBD
> Download Manager as it would do before the changes were made.
>
> This is equivalent to GMail users using the Plain Text version instead
> of the new version of GMail. It is an inferior method, but for people
> who need their books now, it's a viable option. I am not saying we
> shouldn't push them to make their new download manager accessible; I
> am all for that. I am just saying, for those who really need their
> books like I do, this is the temproary fix.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Jewel
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 19:36:04 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:36:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] How I Use the Learning Ally site
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Hi
Does anyone know how to change the voice on the victor stream when 
downloading dazy books from bookshare? Is it something that can be done? 
Thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Young" <jty727 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How I Use the Learning Ally site


> Hi Jewel again,
>
> Just wanted to let you know that I tried the steps you laid out in
> your previous message and they work fine.  I'm not sure what kind of
> computer you have, but I have a PC.  With mine when I got to the part
> where you are asked if you want to unblock or whatever it says I hit
> alt + n and it goes to an option area where JAWS reads the options
> available there.  I forget if you hit enter first then down arrow to
> the download or just down arrow to the download.  I just wanted to let
> you know that is the way I did it when I was playing with it.
>
> Thanks again and talk soon,
>
> Justin
>
> On 1/7/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good day all,
>> I thought I'd post about the changes in the Learning Ally site,a nd
>> what can be done for a temporary fix, so people can get their books
>> for this semester/quarter. So, here's what I do. First, I kept the old
>> RFBD Download Manager, as the new Learing Ally download manager is not
>> accessible. Then, I go to the book I want and select "Add to my
>> Bookshelf." This will put the book in my bookshelf, obviously. Third,
>> I go to the bookshelf when the book is ready. I look for the book by
>> using the "g" hotkey for graphics...each book has a graphic of the
>> cover. Then, I go to the combo box. If I want the book in Daisy, I hit
>> D; if I want it in WMA, I hit W.
>>
>> Now, in some computers, this download will be blocked the first time.
>> If this happens, you neeed to press F6 until you get to the drop-down
>> bar. I get sighted assistance with this, since it's hard to know where
>> to press enter. The assistant will need to pclick where it says "Click
>> here for options" and select Download, then Retry."
>>
>> Once the computer is not blocking, it will send the book to your RFBD
>> Download Manager as it would do before the changes were made.
>>
>> This is equivalent to GMail users using the Plain Text version instead
>> of the new version of GMail. It is an inferior method, but for people
>> who need their books now, it's a viable option. I am not saying we
>> shouldn't push them to make their new download manager accessible; I
>> am all for that. I am just saying, for those who really need their
>> books like I do, this is the temproary fix.
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>> Jewel
>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 19:53:59 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:53:59 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
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Message-ID: <4B4F39291B69420F8533997F2DA49E29@Gloria>

Hi,
I understand everyones frestration with what is gion gon with Learning Ali, 
but I think we should try to appriciate and give them credit for what they 
are trying to do. They may be feeling a bit ove4r welmed with the 
frestrations of everyons so when we want to find fault in what is goin g on 
try instead to find something that is going well. Just a thought
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 9:39 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again


> Fellow Students,
>
>
>
> As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service people at
> Learning Ally. In their response to me, I received the attached file. Now 
> I
> haven't quite got this process to work. And it is by no means completely
> accessible. Perhaps this will help someone figure it out better than I 
> have.
> I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a root canal.
> When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be telling them
> how they can improve.
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> marsha
>
>


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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Jan  7 20:29:33 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:29:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
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Hello chris,

Yes, I'm aware of the internet radio show that dr. Maurer is
going to be on with joe ruffalo and, I think that would be a good
thing to do but, in a directive and professional approach. Or,
emailing to him or the other person at the nfb of this problem
with learning allay personally. I wouldn't send it here to the
list.

Thanks for this idea and, I will talk to you soon.



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:33 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

I just thought of something; does everybody have Dr.  Maurer's 
email address? If not, it is officeofthepresident at nfb.org.  Also,

John Pare is the executive director of strategic initiatives, 
which is to say he's the guy in charge of all our advocacy and 
governmental affairs work.  His email is jpare at nfb.org.

Also, if this issue isn't resolved by then and we don't get some 
kind of serious commitment/response from Learning Ally, Dr.  
Maurer will be on the Thru Our Eyes Internet radio show on 
January 18th at 8 PM Eastern.  There was an email sent out to all

NFB-NET list members about this interview, which many of you 
probably saw.  The interview is entitled "Ask the President," 
which means they'll be encouraging calls by listeners to ask Dr.

Maurer any questions you may have about the Federation and our 
work or the work ahead.  I'd suggest calling into the show and 
telling him about this on live Internet radio; maybe that'll get 
their attention! * Smile! I am thinking of doing this, but if 
anyone who has more firsthand experience with this new software 
can call in and give firsthand accounts of how this software is 
inaccessible and the effect that inaccessibility has had on you, 
that would be a lot better than me calling in and relaying 
information from the many reports of that program's 
inaccessibility on this list.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:48:54 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Marsha, please E-mail Dr Maurer, if the Customer Services don't 
get back to you.
We need to stop these corporate companies from making their stuff

inaccessible!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/4/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
 First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the 
life of me
 figure this out.  I downloaded there stupid new download 
manager.  The book is
 in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download.  What

am I
 missing? Can anyone help.



 Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this 
book for an
 hour now.  I think I would rather get a root canal.  I am pretty

sure this is
 not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book.  It is

the site is
 inaccessible.  So I sent a polite but stern email to their 
customer service
 department.



 I urge those others who are having problems to email them too.  
This is the
 ONLY way we are going to get change.



 Marsha

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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Jan  7 20:47:33 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:47:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
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Message-ID: <008401cccd7d$94f48280$bedd8780$@comcast.net>

Hello all,

As to the problems that we as students that are dealing with the
inaccessible of the new learning allay web site and, how we can
access our books in downloading them has anyone sent shawn
wayland, the president of nabs an email of this problem or, I'm
sure that he is aware of this problem and, if not then I think he
needs to address this with the company himself since he is the
new president of nabs?

This is my thoughts and ideas on this problem... what do you all
think?


Thanks a bunch,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:39 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

Fellow Students,

 

As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service
people at
Learning Ally. In their response to me, I received the attached
file. Now I
haven't quite got this process to work. And it is by no means
completely
accessible. Perhaps this will help someone figure it out better
than I have.
I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a
root canal.
When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be
telling them
how they can improve. 

 

Good luck,

marsha 




From jty727 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 20:50:56 2012
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:50:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
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	<008401cccd7d$94f48280$bedd8780$@comcast.net>
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That certainly is a good suggestion Amy.

Justin

On 1/7/12, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> As to the problems that we as students that are dealing with the
> inaccessible of the new learning allay web site and, how we can
> access our books in downloading them has anyone sent shawn
> wayland, the president of nabs an email of this problem or, I'm
> sure that he is aware of this problem and, if not then I think he
> needs to address this with the company himself since he is the
> new president of nabs?
>
> This is my thoughts and ideas on this problem... what do you all
> think?
>
>
> Thanks a bunch,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:39 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
>
> Fellow Students,
>
>
>
> As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service
> people at
> Learning Ally. In their response to me, I received the attached
> file. Now I
> haven't quite got this process to work. And it is by no means
> completely
> accessible. Perhaps this will help someone figure it out better
> than I have.
> I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a
> root canal.
> When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be
> telling them
> how they can improve.
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> marsha
>
>
>
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Jan  7 20:51:20 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:51:20 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Web site update: it works now!
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References: <4f087680.85d5e00a.60c4.747b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <008501cccd7e$1c677f60$55367e20$@comcast.net>

Hello chris and all,

I didn't know that the nfb web site was not working yesterday.
But, I'm glad that it's now working. Thanks for the updates on it
and, I will talk to you soon.



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 9:44 AM
To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list;
BrailleNote list
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Web site update: it works now!

Hi everyone,

Just a short update to my post about the National Federation of 
the Blind (NFB) site from last night.  Mary Willows, the 
president of the NFB of California, responded to my email via the

NFB Talk list last night saying that the problem was not just 
happening with me, and there appeared to be a problem with the 
site itself.  She went on to say that she had contacted the NFB 
national office about this, and they were hopefully going to fix 
the issue soon.  I tried again this morning, and the site was 
back to normal, without asking for any credentials! So, our 
webmasters have apparently fixed the problem, and it works now! 
Just thought I would let you know!
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  7 21:02:55 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:02:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
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	<008401cccd7d$94f48280$bedd8780$@comcast.net>
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Amy,
No. I think a letter from the whole nabs board would be stronger. All of 
them could sign a letter. Besides its better to have more than one voice in 
the letter. If Sean just writes it, he doesn't have imput from  other 
students.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Amy Sabo
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 3:47 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

Hello all,

As to the problems that we as students that are dealing with the
inaccessible of the new learning allay web site and, how we can
access our books in downloading them has anyone sent shawn
wayland, the president of nabs an email of this problem or, I'm
sure that he is aware of this problem and, if not then I think he
needs to address this with the company himself since he is the
new president of nabs?

This is my thoughts and ideas on this problem... what do you all
think?


Thanks a bunch,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:39 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

Fellow Students,



As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service
people at
Learning Ally. In their response to me, I received the attached
file. Now I
haven't quite got this process to work. And it is by no means
completely
accessible. Perhaps this will help someone figure it out better
than I have.
I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a
root canal.
When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be
telling them
how they can improve.



Good luck,

marsha



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From jty727 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 21:07:29 2012
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:07:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
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	<008401cccd7d$94f48280$bedd8780$@comcast.net>
	<7A1E532ACC14484F9BCB076A3218571F@OwnerPC>
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Didn't think of that also good points

On 1/7/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Amy,
> No. I think a letter from the whole nabs board would be stronger. All of
> them could sign a letter. Besides its better to have more than one voice in
> the letter. If Sean just writes it, he doesn't have imput from  other
> students.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amy Sabo
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 3:47 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
>
> Hello all,
>
> As to the problems that we as students that are dealing with the
> inaccessible of the new learning allay web site and, how we can
> access our books in downloading them has anyone sent shawn
> wayland, the president of nabs an email of this problem or, I'm
> sure that he is aware of this problem and, if not then I think he
> needs to address this with the company himself since he is the
> new president of nabs?
>
> This is my thoughts and ideas on this problem... what do you all
> think?
>
>
> Thanks a bunch,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:39 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
>
> Fellow Students,
>
>
>
> As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service
> people at
> Learning Ally. In their response to me, I received the attached
> file. Now I
> haven't quite got this process to work. And it is by no means
> completely
> accessible. Perhaps this will help someone figure it out better
> than I have.
> I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a
> root canal.
> When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be
> telling them
> how they can improve.
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> marsha
>
>
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  7 21:25:43 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:25:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
In-Reply-To: <290A04AA3F3647CE9F4BC6C8F0C0C441@Cptr233>
References: <290A04AA3F3647CE9F4BC6C8F0C0C441@Cptr233>
Message-ID: <1D7EDE41F552405AB8D30D7723C1D9BD@OwnerPC>

gee, what a big file. I think they need some simple directions on the site 
so you know what to do.
When I saw the new learning ally manager, I agree it does not seem 
accessible. jaws did not read everything on screen.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Marsha Drenth
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 10:39 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

Fellow Students,



As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service people at
Learning Ally. In their response to me, I received the attached file. Now I
haven't quite got this process to work. And it is by no means completely
accessible. Perhaps this will help someone figure it out better than I have.
I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a root canal.
When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be telling them
how they can improve.



Good luck,

marsha







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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sat Jan  7 21:32:32 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:32:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] News, about Learning Ally
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	<EE1825252D8E4634B7AE95BA8FE2D7B1@OwnerPC>
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I've always been careful to remove the sender's name, when it's private info.
I'll do that, when I hear from them.
Let's hope for the best, in regards to them updating the Website, and
making it accessible.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/7/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Everyone,
> If you do post private comments to a public list, you should remove the
> sender's name.
> Its almost flaming to post private email from someone to a public list. So
> at least remove their name. Copy and paste in the note rather than
> forwarding. Someone forwarded the note from the CEO; that is fine IMO,
> because it was a general email sent to all customers. I got one too.
> If you copy and paste the text in, no one sees the sender's name in the
> email headings
>
> Just saying. I know if I were delivering a service,  I would not want a
> customer to post a private message to a public list.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] News, about Learning Ally
>
> I just E-mailed Customer Service.
> I'll forward their response, when I get it.
> I also told them, that I felt, that they didn't care for our needs as
> the blind, by removing us out of their name.
> I was as polite as I know how, so hopefully, they'll respect that.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 22:41:02 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:41:02 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
Message-ID: <4f08ca22.42c8e00a.05f5.3ffb@mx.google.com>

I will do that.  I can find their number from the "about this 
Learning Ally book" section at the beginning of one of my books.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:36:18 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

Chris, please call them on Monday.
Ask them, and let us know, on the list, what they tell you.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/6/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 No mention of any accessibility issues there.  This raises a
 question: do they still not know the download manager isn't
 accessible or do they just not care?

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

 Look at this message from Learning Ally.
 Thanks, Joshua

 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
 Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
 To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu

 View this message in a browser.
 
http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
 de375e.htm


 Dear Members and Families,

 As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
 support,
 guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a 
year
 that
 brought major changes to our organization.

 I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
 occasionally
 since July, when we began charging for household memberships.

 Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally

 To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:

  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.

 Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with 
a
 disability, we took on a more inclusive name.  "Learning Ally"
 expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
 learn
 differently.  When you consider that one in five individuals has
 a
 learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
 as we
 grow to help everyone who needs us!

 The New Membership Fee

 Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
 membership
 now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
 spring of
 2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
 supply
 services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
 building
 our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
 products
 like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).

 Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly 
to
 the
 cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
 moving forward.

 That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
 financial assistance.  Adult members and parents of students who
 struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
 application
 and send it to Learning Ally for review.  Approved applicants
 will
 receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
 as
 they always have.

 Looking to 2012 and Beyond

 We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
 educational tools and resources.  Please share Learning Ally's
 many
 success stories with your friends and colleagues.  Visit our 
blog
 often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
 YouTube
 and more.

 Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
 learning.
 We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!

 Sincerely,
 Andrew Friedman
 President & CEO


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 22:41:00 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:41:00 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
Message-ID: <4f08ca20.42c8e00a.05f5.3ffa@mx.google.com>

Go ahead; let us know of any response you get.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:42:22 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

I'm E-mailing Customer Service for Learning Ally first.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/6/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 I just thought of something; does everybody have Dr.  Maurer's
 email address? If not, it is officeofthepresident at nfb.org.  
Also,
 John Pare is the executive director of strategic initiatives,
 which is to say he's the guy in charge of all our advocacy and
 governmental affairs work.  His email is jpare at nfb.org.

 Also, if this issue isn't resolved by then and we don't get some
 kind of serious commitment/response from Learning Ally, Dr.
 Maurer will be on the Thru Our Eyes Internet radio show on
 January 18th at 8 PM Eastern.  There was an email sent out to 
all
 NFB-NET list members about this interview, which many of you
 probably saw.  The interview is entitled "Ask the President,"
 which means they'll be encouraging calls by listeners to ask Dr.
 Maurer any questions you may have about the Federation and our
 work or the work ahead.  I'd suggest calling into the show and
 telling him about this on live Internet radio; maybe that'll get
 their attention! * Smile! I am thinking of doing this, but if
 anyone who has more firsthand experience with this new software
 can call in and give firsthand accounts of how this software is
 inaccessible and the effect that inaccessibility has had on you,
 that would be a lot better than me calling in and relaying
 information from the many reports of that program's
 inaccessibility on this list.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:48:54 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

 Marsha, please E-mail Dr Maurer, if the Customer Services don't
 get back to you.
 We need to stop these corporate companies from making their 
stuff
 inaccessible!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/4/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
  First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the
 life of me
  figure this out.  I downloaded there stupid new download
 manager.  The book is
  in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download.  
What
 am I
  missing? Can anyone help.



  Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this
 book for an
  hour now.  I think I would rather get a root canal.  I am 
pretty
 sure this is
  not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book.  It 
is
 the site is
  inaccessible.  So I sent a polite but stern email to their
 customer service
  department.



  I urge those others who are having problems to email them too.
 This is the
  ONLY way we are going to get change.



  Marsha

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 22:41:17 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:41:17 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't access it!
Message-ID: <4f08ca30.42c8e00a.05f5.400d@mx.google.com>

Nathan,

It is working for me as of this morning.
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:10:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't 
access it!

Dear Chris,
The NFB website is up and working as of right now.
Sincerely,
Nathan

On 1/7/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Chris,
 Another problem may be in how you are accessing the internet 
with your
 BrailleNote.  If you're doing it wirelessly, then you'll want a
 wireless network.  That in turn will involve usernames and 
passwords.
 Patrick

 On 1/6/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> 
wrote:
 Hello Chris,

 Something must be wrong with your Braille Note.  Just as I 
finished reading
 this email message, I quickly pressed windows+R to get to my run 
dialog
 box
 and typed in www.nfb.org.  My internet explorer came up, and the 
page
 loaded
 ordinarily, correctly, and without flaws of any kind.  Try 
pressing reset
 on
 your Braille note, see if this works.
 Also if the problem persists, try pressing reset with dots 1-2-3 
keys held
 down together until you hear the Humanware music.  This reset 
clears out
 the
 memory, and any ram used up by your files and programs.  If this 
reset does
 not solve the problem, then try doing a hard reset.  This reset 
is design
 for
 wiping out the contents of the keysoft system disk modified by 
the user,
 which means it will delete anything that you have saved there, 
so you
 should
 be careful on when to do it.  However, this type of reset also 
eliminates
 all
 your temporary internet files, saved cookies, and downloaded 
data and
 passwords for KeyWeb, the internet browser.  This reset involves 
holding
 down
 dots 4-5-6 and then pressing reset while still holding those 
keys.  After
 hearing the official Braille Note Humanware music, release them.  
You
 should
 now be fine of any errors on your internet web visits.

 I know, this used to happen with mine, and I even got memory 
usage errors.

 Hope this helps you.

 Humberto

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf
 Of Chris Nusbaum
 Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:15 PM
 To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list; 
BrailleNote
 list
 Subject: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't 
access it!

 Hi all,

 For some reason, I can't access the National Federation of the
 Blind (NFB) site, nfb.org, with my BrailleNote.  Whenever I go 
to
 it, it comes up with a "enter network password" dialog, like the
 ones that appear when you log into NLS Web Braille.  Username 
and
 password? Um...  I don't have any username or password to access
 the NFB site, and have never needed one.  So what's going on? Is
 there something going on with the NFB site or is it a problem
 with my BrailleNote? Can someone on the BrailleNote list test
 this and make sure it's not just me? Thanks!

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 22:41:08 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:41:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't access it!
Message-ID: <4f08ca28.42c8e00a.05f5.3fff@mx.google.com>

Hi Humberto,

Thank you, but this works now.  I wish what you suggest
would make those annoying security alert dialogs go away! * 
Smile!

Chris
"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:12:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't 
access it!

Hello Chris,

Something must be wrong with your Braille Note.  Just as I 
finished reading
this email message, I quickly pressed windows+R to get to my run 
dialog box
and typed in www.nfb.org.  My internet explorer came up, and the 
page loaded
ordinarily, correctly, and without flaws of any kind.  Try 
pressing reset on
your Braille note, see if this works.
Also if the problem persists, try pressing reset with dots 1-2-3 
keys held
down together until you hear the Humanware music.  This reset 
clears out the
memory, and any ram used up by your files and programs.  If this 
reset does
not solve the problem, then try doing a hard reset.  This reset 
is design for
wiping out the contents of the keysoft system disk modified by 
the user,
which means it will delete anything that you have saved there, so 
you should
be careful on when to do it.  However, this type of reset also 
eliminates all
your temporary internet files, saved cookies, and downloaded data 
and
passwords for KeyWeb, the internet browser.  This reset involves 
holding down
dots 4-5-6 and then pressing reset while still holding those 
keys.  After
hearing the official Braille Note Humanware music, release them.  
You should
now be fine of any errors on your internet web visits.

I know, this used to happen with mine, and I even got memory 
usage errors.

Hope this helps you.

Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:15 PM
To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list; 
BrailleNote
list
Subject: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't 
access it!

Hi all,

For some reason, I can't access the National Federation of the
Blind (NFB) site, nfb.org, with my BrailleNote.  Whenever I go to
it, it comes up with a "enter network password" dialog, like the
ones that appear when you log into NLS Web Braille.  Username and
password? Um...  I don't have any username or password to access
the NFB site, and have never needed one.  So what's going on? Is
there something going on with the NFB site or is it a problem
with my BrailleNote? Can someone on the BrailleNote list test
this and make sure it's not just me? Thanks!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 22:41:10 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:41:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't access it!
Message-ID: <4f08ca2a.42c8e00a.05f5.4005@mx.google.com>

I'm using a wifi network.  But what it wanted was a username and 
password with which to access this particular site.  It's the 
same dialog that comes up when I log into NLS WebBraille, but 
that's legitimate, as I need to enter a username and password to 
get into WebBraille.  But never mind; it works now.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 00:12:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't 
access it!

Chris,
Another problem may be in how you are accessing the internet with 
your
BrailleNote.  If you're doing it wirelessly, then you'll want a
wireless network.  That in turn will involve usernames and 
passwords.
Patrick

On 1/6/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hello Chris,

 Something must be wrong with your Braille Note.  Just as I 
finished reading
 this email message, I quickly pressed windows+R to get to my run 
dialog box
 and typed in www.nfb.org.  My internet explorer came up, and the 
page loaded
 ordinarily, correctly, and without flaws of any kind.  Try 
pressing reset on
 your Braille note, see if this works.
 Also if the problem persists, try pressing reset with dots 1-2-3 
keys held
 down together until you hear the Humanware music.  This reset 
clears out the
 memory, and any ram used up by your files and programs.  If this 
reset does
 not solve the problem, then try doing a hard reset.  This reset 
is design for
 wiping out the contents of the keysoft system disk modified by 
the user,
 which means it will delete anything that you have saved there, 
so you should
 be careful on when to do it.  However, this type of reset also 
eliminates all
 your temporary internet files, saved cookies, and downloaded 
data and
 passwords for KeyWeb, the internet browser.  This reset involves 
holding down
 dots 4-5-6 and then pressing reset while still holding those 
keys.  After
 hearing the official Braille Note Humanware music, release them.  
You should
 now be fine of any errors on your internet web visits.

 I know, this used to happen with mine, and I even got memory 
usage errors.

 Hope this helps you.

 Humberto

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
 Of Chris Nusbaum
 Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:15 PM
 To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list; 
BrailleNote
 list
 Subject: [nabs-l] what's going on with the NFB site? I can't 
access it!

 Hi all,

 For some reason, I can't access the National Federation of the
 Blind (NFB) site, nfb.org, with my BrailleNote.  Whenever I go 
to
 it, it comes up with a "enter network password" dialog, like the
 ones that appear when you log into NLS Web Braille.  Username 
and
 password? Um...  I don't have any username or password to access
 the NFB site, and have never needed one.  So what's going on? Is
 there something going on with the NFB site or is it a problem
 with my BrailleNote? Can someone on the BrailleNote list test
 this and make sure it's not just me? Thanks!

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 22:41:09 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:41:09 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
Message-ID: <4f08ca29.42c8e00a.05f5.4003@mx.google.com>

Well, a bunch of people have contacted RFBD Customer Service by 
email, and I will contact them by phone on Monday if I have the 
time and they're still opened, so we'll see what we get back from 
them.  If we don't get something concrete, we need to contact Dr.  
Maurer, IMO.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:33:53 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Idk what we should do honestly.  But we need to
ddo something to send them a message that their software needs to
be accessible or else something else will occur.
Beth
 ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:26 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Haha! * Smile! Well, we can't occupy it...  it's inaccessible;
that's the point! :)

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:48:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

I agree.  Thse corporate weird people, for lack of a better way
to put it, are doing sommething pretty rdrastic because they want
to forget about us.  No wonder so many people are trying to
occupy this world.  We should occupy learning ally's
inaccessiblesite.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:48:54 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Marsha, please E-mail Dr Maurer, if the Customer Services don't
get back to you.
We need to stop these corporate companies from making their stuff
inaccessible!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/4/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
 First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the
life of me
 figure this out.  I downloaded there stupid new download
manager.
The book is
 in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download.  What
am I
 missing? Can anyone help.



 Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this
book for an
 hour now.  I think I would rather get a root canal.  I am pretty
sure this is
 not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book.  It is
the site is
 inaccessible.  So I sent a polite but stern email to their
customer service
 department.



 I urge those others who are having problems to email them too.
This is the
 ONLY way we are going to get change.



 Marsha

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 22:41:20 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:41:20 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] How I Use the Learning Ally site
Message-ID: <4f08ca34.42c8e00a.05f5.400f@mx.google.com>

Gloria,

What do you mean? Do you want to change the Stream's 
text-to-speech voice? I think that's what you mean, so I'll tell 
you how to do that if I'm understanding you right.  There are 
only 2 voices available on the Stream; Samantha and Tom.  I 
personally like Tom, so I changed the voice from its default of 
Samantha.  To change the voice, hit the menu key (7) until you 
get to something that says "text-to-speech" or something like 
that.  Then hit your 6 key until you hear the voice you want, and 
hit the pound key.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:36:04 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How I Use the Learning Ally site

Hi
Does anyone know how to change the voice on the victor stream 
when
downloading dazy books from bookshare? Is it something that can 
be done?
Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin Young" <jty727 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How I Use the Learning Ally site


 Hi Jewel again,

 Just wanted to let you know that I tried the steps you laid out 
in
 your previous message and they work fine.  I'm not sure what 
kind of
 computer you have, but I have a PC.  With mine when I got to the 
part
 where you are asked if you want to unblock or whatever it says I 
hit
 alt + n and it goes to an option area where JAWS reads the 
options
 available there.  I forget if you hit enter first then down 
arrow to
 the download or just down arrow to the download.  I just wanted 
to let
 you know that is the way I did it when I was playing with it.

 Thanks again and talk soon,

 Justin

 On 1/7/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Good day all,
 I thought I'd post about the changes in the Learning Ally site,a 
nd
 what can be done for a temporary fix, so people can get their 
books
 for this semester/quarter.  So, here's what I do.  First, I kept 
the old
 RFBD Download Manager, as the new Learing Ally download manager 
is not
 accessible.  Then, I go to the book I want and select "Add to my
 Bookshelf." This will put the book in my bookshelf, obviously.  
Third,
 I go to the bookshelf when the book is ready.  I look for the 
book by
 using the "g" hotkey for graphics...each book has a graphic of 
the
 cover.  Then, I go to the combo box.  If I want the book in 
Daisy, I hit
 D; if I want it in WMA, I hit W.

 Now, in some computers, this download will be blocked the first 
time.
 If this happens, you neeed to press F6 until you get to the 
drop-down
 bar.  I get sighted assistance with this, since it's hard to 
know where
 to press enter.  The assistant will need to pclick where it says 
"Click
 here for options" and select Download, then Retry."

 Once the computer is not blocking, it will send the book to your 
RFBD
 Download Manager as it would do before the changes were made.

 This is equivalent to GMail users using the Plain Text version 
instead
 of the new version of GMail.  It is an inferior method, but for 
people
 who need their books now, it's a viable option.  I am not saying 
we
 shouldn't push them to make their new download manager 
accessible; I
 am all for that.  I am just saying, for those who really need 
their
 books like I do, this is the temproary fix.

 Hope that helps,
 Jewel

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 22:51:27 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:51:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
Message-ID: <4f08cc93.4abee00a.712c.4c90@mx.google.com>

I think some people have contacted Sean, and he is on the list, 
so he, like the rest of us, has been inendated with emails 
reporting problems with Learning Ally's new Web site and download 
manager.  So he knows about it.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:47:33 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

Hello all,

As to the problems that we as students that are dealing with the
inaccessible of the new learning allay web site and, how we can
access our books in downloading them has anyone sent shawn
wayland, the president of nabs an email of this problem or, I'm
sure that he is aware of this problem and, if not then I think he
needs to address this with the company himself since he is the
new president of nabs?

This is my thoughts and ideas on this problem...  what do you all
think?


Thanks a bunch,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:39 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

Fellow Students,



As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service
people at
Learning Ally.  In their response to me, I received the attached
file.  Now I
haven't quite got this process to work.  And it is by no means
completely
accessible.  Perhaps this will help someone figure it out better
than I have.
I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a
root canal.
When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be
telling them
how they can improve.



Good luck,

marsha



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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sat Jan  7 23:40:03 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:40:03 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] VR Stream Voices was Re: How I Use the Learning Ally site
References: <4f08ca34.42c8e00a.05f5.400f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1E0789E9838A4D4CAE43FAF4526CF0AE@stanford.edu>

Some books come with a recorded narrator as well as the text to speech. I 
think that the 9 key will toggle between text-to-speech and prerecorded, 
given that there is a prerecorded voice. You can always find out the 
functions of the keys by removing all media storage devices and pressing the 
different keys.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How I Use the Learning Ally site


> Gloria,
>
> What do you mean? Do you want to change the Stream's text-to-speech voice? 
> I think that's what you mean, so I'll tell you how to do that if I'm 
> understanding you right.  There are only 2 voices available on the Stream; 
> Samantha and Tom.  I personally like Tom, so I changed the voice from its 
> default of Samantha.  To change the voice, hit the menu key (7) until you 
> get to something that says "text-to-speech" or something like that.  Then 
> hit your 6 key until you hear the voice you want, and hit the pound key.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real 
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a 
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be 
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:36:04 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How I Use the Learning Ally site
>
> Hi
> Does anyone know how to change the voice on the victor stream when
> downloading dazy books from bookshare? Is it something that can be done?
> Thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Justin Young" <jty727 at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 1:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How I Use the Learning Ally site
>
>
> Hi Jewel again,
>
> Just wanted to let you know that I tried the steps you laid out in
> your previous message and they work fine.  I'm not sure what kind of
> computer you have, but I have a PC.  With mine when I got to the part
> where you are asked if you want to unblock or whatever it says I hit
> alt + n and it goes to an option area where JAWS reads the options
> available there.  I forget if you hit enter first then down arrow to
> the download or just down arrow to the download.  I just wanted to let
> you know that is the way I did it when I was playing with it.
>
> Thanks again and talk soon,
>
> Justin
>
> On 1/7/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good day all,
> I thought I'd post about the changes in the Learning Ally site,a nd
> what can be done for a temporary fix, so people can get their books
> for this semester/quarter.  So, here's what I do.  First, I kept the old
> RFBD Download Manager, as the new Learing Ally download manager is not
> accessible.  Then, I go to the book I want and select "Add to my
> Bookshelf." This will put the book in my bookshelf, obviously.  Third,
> I go to the bookshelf when the book is ready.  I look for the book by
> using the "g" hotkey for graphics...each book has a graphic of the
> cover.  Then, I go to the combo box.  If I want the book in Daisy, I hit
> D; if I want it in WMA, I hit W.
>
> Now, in some computers, this download will be blocked the first time.
> If this happens, you neeed to press F6 until you get to the drop-down
> bar.  I get sighted assistance with this, since it's hard to know where
> to press enter.  The assistant will need to pclick where it says "Click
> here for options" and select Download, then Retry."
>
> Once the computer is not blocking, it will send the book to your RFBD
> Download Manager as it would do before the changes were made.
>
> This is equivalent to GMail users using the Plain Text version instead
> of the new version of GMail.  It is an inferior method, but for people
> who need their books now, it's a viable option.  I am not saying we
> shouldn't push them to make their new download manager accessible; I
> am all for that.  I am just saying, for those who really need their
> books like I do, this is the temproary fix.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Jewel
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  7 23:42:46 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 18:42:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
In-Reply-To: <4f08ca22.42c8e00a.05f5.3ffb@mx.google.com>
References: <4f08ca22.42c8e00a.05f5.3ffb@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <EB04A1E70BBB41C1BE21AC0DF08FFEAC@OwnerPC>

their phone number is also on the website.
It’s the same as before.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 5:41 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

I will do that.  I can find their number from the "about this
Learning Ally book" section at the beginning of one of my books.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:36:18 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

Chris, please call them on Monday.
Ask them, and let us know, on the list, what they tell you.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/6/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
No mention of any accessibility issues there.  This raises a
question: do they still not know the download manager isn't
accessible or do they just not care?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:22:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO

Look at this message from Learning Ally.
Thanks, Joshua

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Learning Ally <LearningAlly at mail99.subscribermail.com
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
Subject: A Message from Learning Ally's CEO
To: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu

View this message in a browser.

http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/f33dd504c90f46ceb594eb6f30
de375e.htm


Dear Members and Families,

As we welcome in the New Year, I want to say thanks for the
support,
guidance and feedback that many of you shared during 2011, a
year
that
brought major changes to our organization.

I'd also like to answer a few questions that have come up
occasionally
since July, when we began charging for household memberships.

Changing Our Name from RFB&D to Learning Ally

To clear up two common misconceptions about our name change:

  - RFB&D was not bought by a for-profit company.
  - Learning Ally is not a new company; we just changed our name.

Since many members had voiced concerns about being labeled with
a
disability, we took on a more inclusive name.  "Learning Ally"
expresses what we are: a trusted friend and resource for all who
learn
differently.  When you consider that one in five individuals has
a
learning difference, imagine how many more lives can be changed
as we
grow to help everyone who needs us!

The New Membership Fee

Some members have been asking, "Why do I have to pay for my
membership
now?" The answer is simple: Congressional budget cuts in the
spring of
2011 eliminated over 40% of the critical revenue we need to
supply
services to our members (maintaining our production studios,
building
our world-class digital audiobook library, and providing new
products
like iOS apps and the new Audiobook Manager).

Asking our household/individual members to contribute directly
to
the
cost of operation was the only way to maintain a balanced budget
moving forward.

That said, we will not deny service to any individual who needs
financial assistance.  Adult members and parents of students who
struggle with reading can complete a hardship fee waiver
application
and send it to Learning Ally for review.  Approved applicants
will
receive a free membership with unlimited access to our library,
as
they always have.

Looking to 2012 and Beyond

We are excited about the prospect of bringing you even more
educational tools and resources.  Please share Learning Ally's
many
success stories with your friends and colleagues.  Visit our
blog
often, make comments and follow us through Twitter, Facebook,
YouTube
and more.

Thank you again for allowing us to help in your pursuit of
learning.
We wish you a healthy, happy and productive New Year!

Sincerely,
Andrew Friedman
President & CEO


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From dwebster125 at comcast.net  Sun Jan  8 00:04:27 2012
From: dwebster125 at comcast.net (Dave Webster)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 18:04:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
In-Reply-To: <4f08cc93.4abee00a.712c.4c90@mx.google.com>
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hI I'm Dave.  You know I had a problem or actually still do have a bit of a
problem with that too.  I can use the download manager but for some reason
can't use the new audio manager.  it keeps giving me a server eror.  I tried
to call them this last week but they never did call me back so.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 4:51 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

I think some people have contacted Sean, and he is on the list, so he, like
the rest of us, has been inendated with emails reporting problems with
Learning Ally's new Web site and download manager.  So he knows about it.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:47:33 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

Hello all,

As to the problems that we as students that are dealing with the
inaccessible of the new learning allay web site and, how we can access our
books in downloading them has anyone sent shawn wayland, the president of
nabs an email of this problem or, I'm sure that he is aware of this problem
and, if not then I think he needs to address this with the company himself
since he is the new president of nabs?

This is my thoughts and ideas on this problem...  what do you all think?


Thanks a bunch,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:39 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

Fellow Students,



As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service people at
Learning Ally.  In their response to me, I received the attached file.  Now
I haven't quite got this process to work.  And it is by no means completely
accessible.  Perhaps this will help someone figure it out better than I
have.
I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a root canal.
When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be telling them
how they can improve.



Good luck,

marsha



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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan  8 00:07:18 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 18:07:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
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	<001b01cccd99$1c23a450$546aecf0$@net>
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Wow!
How unprofessional!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/7/12, Dave Webster <dwebster125 at comcast.net> wrote:
> hI I'm Dave.  You know I had a problem or actually still do have a bit of a
> problem with that too.  I can use the download manager but for some reason
> can't use the new audio manager.  it keeps giving me a server eror.  I tried
> to call them this last week but they never did call me back so.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 4:51 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
>
> I think some people have contacted Sean, and he is on the list, so he, like
> the rest of us, has been inendated with emails reporting problems with
> Learning Ally's new Web site and download manager.  So he knows about it.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:47:33 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
>
> Hello all,
>
> As to the problems that we as students that are dealing with the
> inaccessible of the new learning allay web site and, how we can access our
> books in downloading them has anyone sent shawn wayland, the president of
> nabs an email of this problem or, I'm sure that he is aware of this problem
> and, if not then I think he needs to address this with the company himself
> since he is the new president of nabs?
>
> This is my thoughts and ideas on this problem...  what do you all think?
>
>
> Thanks a bunch,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:39 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
>
> Fellow Students,
>
>
>
> As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service people at
> Learning Ally.  In their response to me, I received the attached file.  Now
> I haven't quite got this process to work.  And it is by no means completely
> accessible.  Perhaps this will help someone figure it out better than I
> have.
> I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a root canal.
> When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be telling them
> how they can improve.
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> marsha
>
>
>
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From dwebster125 at comcast.net  Sun Jan  8 00:16:35 2012
From: dwebster125 at comcast.net (Dave Webster)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 18:16:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally
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Actually here's what yo do.  when you launch the audio manager and sign in
with your user name and password there are gonna be a number of different
windows.  the first window is to select your player that you're syncing to
such as windows media or things slike that.  you can add players and things.
Your next window will be kind of other windows but once you get to your book
shelf you  just arrow up nad down until you fine the book you want.  Once
you find it you hit right arrow.  it will say that the bok is nto selected
to sync.  You just hit enter to select syn to player and it puts it in a
list.  And then that's how you choose biils.  you choose it from your book
shelf and then open  it up and select to syc and then there's a button to
actually startt it whare it says sync now.  you can sync any nu mbe rof
books.  You can even sync your entire book shelf if you want.-----Original
Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 4:41 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Well, a bunch of people have contacted RFBD Customer Service by email, and I
will contact them by phone on Monday if I have the time and they're still
opened, so we'll see what we get back from them.  If we don't get something
concrete, we need to contact Dr.  
Maurer, IMO.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:33:53 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Idk what we should do honestly.  But we need to ddo something to send them a
message that their software needs to be accessible or else something else
will occur.
Beth
 ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:26 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Haha! * Smile! Well, we can't occupy it...  it's inaccessible; that's the
point! :)

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:48:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

I agree.  Thse corporate weird people, for lack of a better way to put it,
are doing sommething pretty rdrastic because they want to forget about us.
No wonder so many people are trying to occupy this world.  We should occupy
learning ally's inaccessiblesite.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:48:54 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] more on Learning Ally

Marsha, please E-mail Dr Maurer, if the Customer Services don't get back to
you.
We need to stop these corporate companies from making their stuff
inaccessible!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/4/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
 First of all, I am trying to download a book, and can't for the life of me
figure this out.  I downloaded there stupid new download manager.
The book is
 in my book shelf, but there is no link that says download.  What am I
missing? Can anyone help.



 Secondly, I have been trying to figure out how to download this book for an
hour now.  I think I would rather get a root canal.  I am pretty sure this
is  not a matter of me not knowing how to DL the stupid book.  It is the
site is  inaccessible.  So I sent a polite but stern email to their customer
service  department.



 I urge those others who are having problems to email them too.
This is the
 ONLY way we are going to get change.



 Marsha

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 00:18:25 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:18:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] message for RJ
In-Reply-To: <85ED2013F86E49CE8E1F73CF43B70FE4@hometwxakonvzn>
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	<85ED2013F86E49CE8E1F73CF43B70FE4@hometwxakonvzn>
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My friend found a good driver using Craigslist. I haven't done this
myself, but I have made other purchases on Craigslist that went well,
so it could work. Just be sure to interview your potential drivers via
phone first.
You could also try Facebook Marketplace or your school's employment service.
I'm not sure what others pay their drivers? I think it is generally
good to offer an hourly wage along with a per-mile rate (typically
around $.3 per mile) to pay for gas.
Arielle

On 1/5/12, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com> wrote:
> Tell them your situation, and offer to pay them for guess. If you use skype,
> fell free to ad me.
> smallistbaby1979 and I can give you tips. RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 5:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] message for RJ
>
>
>> You need to get the word out.  I have put an ad in the newspaper, although
>>
>> you tend to get innondated.  If you are a student, notices on
>> bulletinboards can work, your school may have a newspaper where you could
>> put an ad, or it may have some kind of student job service you could work
>> with.  First talk to everybody you know and see if anyone is interested,
>> or knows somebody who is.  It is always better to pay then use volunteers,
>>
>> as you have better control.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 08:18 PM 1/4/2012, you wrote:
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>How did you hire a driver?
>>
>>
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From aec732 at msn.com  Sun Jan  8 01:39:50 2012
From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 20:39:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list
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Message-ID: <COL123-W40B182D29D3BE3E99DF88A949B0@phx.gbl>


Hey NABSters,
 
I am writing for a couple of reasons. Starting with Joshua's suggestion about Learning Ally posting samples of readers' voices. Perhaps you didn't know we use more than 5,000 volunteers to read our audiobooks. The readers are assigned books based on their specificc subject knowledge; e.g. a physicist reads physics, a native speaker of Spanish reads Spanish language, etc. The volunteers read for at least two hours a week and many readers are assigned to a book so that it can be completed and uploaded for us as quickly as possible.
 
With all of these factors, Learning Ally does offer book samples on thee website but providing samples of a volunteer group thaa changes on a regular basis doesn't seem feasible.
 
You may know tha tthe NLS hires paid actors or voicers to read the majority of those books and that individual readers read specificgenres of books, such as mysteries, true crime, romance, etc.
 
I also would like to be ghelpful in any area in which you are having difficulty with Learning Ally. If watching the YouTube video doesn't work, wy not call tech support? OOur blind tech experts are wonderful in explaining processes and answering questions about how something works. In addition, so that I can help YOU, please let mek now what specific issues you are having with the website.
 
You can e-mail me offlist if your question or issue is lengthy so that this list doesn't get monoopolized.
 
Many thanks,
 
Annemarie Cooke
Learning Ally consultant (and member) 		 	   		  

From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan  8 01:49:50 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:49:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list
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What about that download feature?
I don't personally use it, but others do.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/7/12, Annemarie Cooke <aec732 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Hey NABSters,
>
> I am writing for a couple of reasons. Starting with Joshua's suggestion
> about Learning Ally posting samples of readers' voices. Perhaps you didn't
> know we use more than 5,000 volunteers to read our audiobooks. The readers
> are assigned books based on their specificc subject knowledge; e.g. a
> physicist reads physics, a native speaker of Spanish reads Spanish language,
> etc. The volunteers read for at least two hours a week and many readers are
> assigned to a book so that it can be completed and uploaded for us as
> quickly as possible.
>
> With all of these factors, Learning Ally does offer book samples on thee
> website but providing samples of a volunteer group thaa changes on a regular
> basis doesn't seem feasible.
>
> You may know tha tthe NLS hires paid actors or voicers to read the majority
> of those books and that individual readers read specificgenres of books,
> such as mysteries, true crime, romance, etc.
>
> I also would like to be ghelpful in any area in which you are having
> difficulty with Learning Ally. If watching the YouTube video doesn't work,
> wy not call tech support? OOur blind tech experts are wonderful in
> explaining processes and answering questions about how something works. In
> addition, so that I can help YOU, please let mek now what specific issues
> you are having with the website.
>
> You can e-mail me offlist if your question or issue is lengthy so that this
> list doesn't get monoopolized.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Annemarie Cooke
> Learning Ally consultant (and member) 		 	   		
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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Sun Jan  8 01:56:47 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:56:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list
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Message-ID: <003701cccda8$c82e2950$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good evening everyone,

    A professional representing an agency for the blind should know to 
proofread their e-mail messages prior to sending them. We do this and run 
them through spell-check before they're sent.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Annemarie Cooke" <aec732 at msn.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list



Hey NABSters,

I am writing for a couple of reasons. Starting with Joshua's suggestion 
about Learning Ally posting samples of readers' voices. Perhaps you didn't 
know we use more than 5,000 volunteers to read our audiobooks. The readers 
are assigned books based on their specificc subject knowledge; e.g. a 
physicist reads physics, a native speaker of Spanish reads Spanish language, 
etc. The volunteers read for at least two hours a week and many readers are 
assigned to a book so that it can be completed and uploaded for us as 
quickly as possible.

With all of these factors, Learning Ally does offer book samples on thee 
website but providing samples of a volunteer group thaa changes on a regular 
basis doesn't seem feasible.

You may know tha tthe NLS hires paid actors or voicers to read the majority 
of those books and that individual readers read specificgenres of books, 
such as mysteries, true crime, romance, etc.

I also would like to be ghelpful in any area in which you are having 
difficulty with Learning Ally. If watching the YouTube video doesn't work, 
wy not call tech support? OOur blind tech experts are wonderful in 
explaining processes and answering questions about how something works. In 
addition, so that I can help YOU, please let mek now what specific issues 
you are having with the website.

You can e-mail me offlist if your question or issue is lengthy so that this 
list doesn't get monoopolized.

Many thanks,

Annemarie Cooke
Learning Ally consultant (and member)
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jan  8 02:56:46 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 18:56:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list
References: <mailman.7883.1325904307.25002.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org><COL123-W40B182D29D3BE3E99DF88A949B0@phx.gbl>
	<003701cccda8$c82e2950$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <C410B0A50A234F2BBE648880DD66D2E0@stanford.edu>

Thank you for the information would have done.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list


> Good evening everyone,
>
>    A professional representing an agency for the blind should know to
> proofread their e-mail messages prior to sending them. We do this and run
> them through spell-check before they're sent.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Annemarie Cooke" <aec732 at msn.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:39 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list
>
>
>
> Hey NABSters,
>
> I am writing for a couple of reasons. Starting with Joshua's suggestion
> about Learning Ally posting samples of readers' voices. Perhaps you didn't
> know we use more than 5,000 volunteers to read our audiobooks. The readers
> are assigned books based on their specificc subject knowledge; e.g. a
> physicist reads physics, a native speaker of Spanish reads Spanish 
> language,
> etc. The volunteers read for at least two hours a week and many readers 
> are
> assigned to a book so that it can be completed and uploaded for us as
> quickly as possible.
>
> With all of these factors, Learning Ally does offer book samples on thee
> website but providing samples of a volunteer group thaa changes on a 
> regular
> basis doesn't seem feasible.
>
> You may know tha tthe NLS hires paid actors or voicers to read the 
> majority
> of those books and that individual readers read specificgenres of books,
> such as mysteries, true crime, romance, etc.
>
> I also would like to be ghelpful in any area in which you are having
> difficulty with Learning Ally. If watching the YouTube video doesn't work,
> wy not call tech support? OOur blind tech experts are wonderful in
> explaining processes and answering questions about how something works. In
> addition, so that I can help YOU, please let mek now what specific issues
> you are having with the website.
>
> You can e-mail me offlist if your question or issue is lengthy so that 
> this
> list doesn't get monoopolized.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Annemarie Cooke
> Learning Ally consultant (and member)
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Sun Jan  8 07:09:05 2012
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 01:09:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
In-Reply-To: <CA+3U9s7r0iESebCef1Xt0jOpxGYeuVnp_69=gj57cyX3ZPkWJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000004872586@mailback3.g2host.com>

Whatever is done, there has to be some very specific examples.  Also terminology must be considered.  For example, 
you can have an accessible web site that is designed poorly.  The fact that we can't use a site easily does not always 
mean it is inaccessible.  It might just be poorly designed.  Believe it or not, there are sites that are not easy for sighted 
people to use.  <smile>  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:07:29 -0500, Justin Young wrote:

>Didn't think of that also good points

>On 1/7/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Amy,
>> No. I think a letter from the whole nabs board would be stronger. All of
>> them could sign a letter. Besides its better to have more than one voice in
>> the letter. If Sean just writes it, he doesn't have imput from  other
>> students.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Amy Sabo
>> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 3:47 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> As to the problems that we as students that are dealing with the
>> inaccessible of the new learning allay web site and, how we can
>> access our books in downloading them has anyone sent shawn
>> wayland, the president of nabs an email of this problem or, I'm
>> sure that he is aware of this problem and, if not then I think he
>> needs to address this with the company himself since he is the
>> new president of nabs?
>>
>> This is my thoughts and ideas on this problem... what do you all
>> think?
>>
>>
>> Thanks a bunch,
>> amy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:39 AM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
>>
>> Fellow Students,
>>
>>
>>
>> As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service
>> people at
>> Learning Ally. In their response to me, I received the attached
>> file. Now I
>> haven't quite got this process to work. And it is by no means
>> completely
>> accessible. Perhaps this will help someone figure it out better
>> than I have.
>> I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a
>> root canal.
>> When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be
>> telling them
>> how they can improve.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> marsha
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>>
>>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 20:24:54 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 15:24:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list
Message-ID: <4f09fbbb.4abee00a.712c.ffffaef2@mx.google.com>

Yes! There has been a lot of reports on this list regarding the 
download manager software not being accessible to screen reader 
users.  This needs to be fixed, as otherwise it is a lot more 
difficult for us to get our textbooks.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:49:50 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list

What about that download feature?
I don't personally use it, but others do.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/7/12, Annemarie Cooke <aec732 at msn.com> wrote:

 Hey NABSters,

 I am writing for a couple of reasons.  Starting with Joshua's 
suggestion
 about Learning Ally posting samples of readers' voices.  Perhaps 
you didn't
 know we use more than 5,000 volunteers to read our audiobooks.  
The readers
 are assigned books based on their specificc subject knowledge; 
e.g.  a
 physicist reads physics, a native speaker of Spanish reads 
Spanish language,
 etc.  The volunteers read for at least two hours a week and many 
readers are
 assigned to a book so that it can be completed and uploaded for 
us as
 quickly as possible.

 With all of these factors, Learning Ally does offer book samples 
on thee
 website but providing samples of a volunteer group thaa changes 
on a regular
 basis doesn't seem feasible.

 You may know tha tthe NLS hires paid actors or voicers to read 
the majority
 of those books and that individual readers read specificgenres 
of books,
 such as mysteries, true crime, romance, etc.

 I also would like to be ghelpful in any area in which you are 
having
 difficulty with Learning Ally.  If watching the YouTube video 
doesn't work,
 wy not call tech support? OOur blind tech experts are wonderful 
in
 explaining processes and answering questions about how something 
works.  In
 addition, so that I can help YOU, please let mek now what 
specific issues
 you are having with the website.

 You can e-mail me offlist if your question or issue is lengthy 
so that this
 list doesn't get monoopolized.

 Many thanks,

 Annemarie Cooke
 Learning Ally consultant (and member)
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 20:24:56 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 15:24:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and list)
Message-ID: <4f09fbbd.4abee00a.712c.ffffaef3@mx.google.com>

Hi everyone,

Speaking of spell check, can anybody tell me how to work the 
spell checker in Windows 7? How do you run a document through 
spell check? Also, if I write an email using Gmail's Web 
interface, can I run the email I typed into Gmail's form field 
through spell check?
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:56:47 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list

Good evening everyone,

    A professional representing an agency for the blind should 
know to
proofread their e-mail messages prior to sending them.  We do 
this and run
them through spell-check before they're sent.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annemarie Cooke" <aec732 at msn.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list



Hey NABSters,

I am writing for a couple of reasons.  Starting with Joshua's 
suggestion
about Learning Ally posting samples of readers' voices.  Perhaps 
you didn't
know we use more than 5,000 volunteers to read our audiobooks.  
The readers
are assigned books based on their specificc subject knowledge; 
e.g.  a
physicist reads physics, a native speaker of Spanish reads 
Spanish language,
etc.  The volunteers read for at least two hours a week and many 
readers are
assigned to a book so that it can be completed and uploaded for 
us as
quickly as possible.

With all of these factors, Learning Ally does offer book samples 
on thee
website but providing samples of a volunteer group thaa changes 
on a regular
basis doesn't seem feasible.

You may know tha tthe NLS hires paid actors or voicers to read 
the majority
of those books and that individual readers read specificgenres of 
books,
such as mysteries, true crime, romance, etc.

I also would like to be ghelpful in any area in which you are 
having
difficulty with Learning Ally.  If watching the YouTube video 
doesn't work,
wy not call tech support? OOur blind tech experts are wonderful 
in
explaining processes and answering questions about how something 
works.  In
addition, so that I can help YOU, please let mek now what 
specific issues
you are having with the website.

You can e-mail me offlist if your question or issue is lengthy so 
that this
list doesn't get monoopolized.

Many thanks,

Annemarie Cooke
Learning Ally consultant (and member)
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Jan  8 20:36:00 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:36:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
In-Reply-To: <7A1E532ACC14484F9BCB076A3218571F@OwnerPC>
References: <290A04AA3F3647CE9F4BC6C8F0C0C441@Cptr233>	<008401cccd7d$94f48280$bedd8780$@comcast.net>
	<7A1E532ACC14484F9BCB076A3218571F@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <00d201ccce45$22bb5770$68320650$@comcast.net>

Hello ashely and all,

Your idea sounds like a good one indeed. That all of the nabs
board needs to send letters of this besides shawn. But, I also
think that the nabs board should look into this and do something
about this! Thanks for the suggestion and, I will talk to you
soon.



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 2:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

Amy,
No. I think a letter from the whole nabs board would be stronger.
All of them could sign a letter. Besides its better to have more
than one voice in the letter. If Sean just writes it, he doesn't
have imput from  other students.

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Sabo
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 3:47 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

Hello all,

As to the problems that we as students that are dealing with the
inaccessible of the new learning allay web site and, how we can
access our books in downloading them has anyone sent shawn
wayland, the president of nabs an email of this problem or, I'm
sure that he is aware of this problem and, if not then I think he
needs to address this with the company himself since he is the
new president of nabs?

This is my thoughts and ideas on this problem... what do you all
think?


Thanks a bunch,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:39 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

Fellow Students,



As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service
people at Learning Ally. In their response to me, I received the
attached file. Now I haven't quite got this process to work. And
it is by no means completely accessible. Perhaps this will help
someone figure it out better than I have.
I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a
root canal.
When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be
telling them how they can improve.



Good luck,

marsha



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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Jan  8 20:41:35 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:41:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] hello chris,RE:  Learning Ally again
Message-ID: <00d301ccce45$ea0a2360$be1e6a20$@comcast.net>

	
That's good that shawn is aware of this thread and, that he is
responding this thread or sending emails or corresponding with
them personally and, is working with them since he's the
president of nabs. It was just a suggestion and, I didn't know if
he was or not. So, that's why I suggested it!

Thanks for letting me know of this and, I will talk to you soon.




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 3:51 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

I think some people have contacted Sean, and he is on the list,
so he, like the rest of us, has been inendated with emails
reporting problems with Learning Ally's new Web site and download
manager.  So he knows about it.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:47:33 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

Hello all,

As to the problems that we as students that are dealing with the
inaccessible of the new learning allay web site and, how we can
access our books in downloading them has anyone sent shawn
wayland, the president of nabs an email of this problem or, I'm
sure that he is aware of this problem and, if not then I think he
needs to address this with the company himself since he is the
new president of nabs?

This is my thoughts and ideas on this problem...  what do you all
think?


Thanks a bunch,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 8:39 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again

Fellow Students,



As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service
people at Learning Ally.  In their response to me, I received the
attached file.  Now I haven't quite got this process to work.
And it is by no means completely accessible.  Perhaps this will
help someone figure it out better than I have.
I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a
root canal.
When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be
telling them how they can improve.



Good luck,

marsha



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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  8 20:47:30 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:47:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and list)
In-Reply-To: <4f09fbbd.4abee00a.712c.ffffaef3@mx.google.com>
References: <4f09fbbd.4abee00a.712c.ffffaef3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A0EA080B1D6940E6AF14C02427DB7BD2@OwnerPC>

spell check is in your word processor; it does not have to do with  windows 
7. Using Word, the command is f 7.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 3:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and list)

Hi everyone,

Speaking of spell check, can anybody tell me how to work the
spell checker in Windows 7? How do you run a document through
spell check? Also, if I write an email using Gmail's Web
interface, can I run the email I typed into Gmail's form field
through spell check?
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:56:47 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list

Good evening everyone,

    A professional representing an agency for the blind should
know to
proofread their e-mail messages prior to sending them.  We do
this and run
them through spell-check before they're sent.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annemarie Cooke" <aec732 at msn.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list



Hey NABSters,

I am writing for a couple of reasons.  Starting with Joshua's
suggestion
about Learning Ally posting samples of readers' voices.  Perhaps
you didn't
know we use more than 5,000 volunteers to read our audiobooks.
The readers
are assigned books based on their specificc subject knowledge;
e.g.  a
physicist reads physics, a native speaker of Spanish reads
Spanish language,
etc.  The volunteers read for at least two hours a week and many
readers are
assigned to a book so that it can be completed and uploaded for
us as
quickly as possible.

With all of these factors, Learning Ally does offer book samples
on thee
website but providing samples of a volunteer group thaa changes
on a regular
basis doesn't seem feasible.

You may know tha tthe NLS hires paid actors or voicers to read
the majority
of those books and that individual readers read specificgenres of
books,
such as mysteries, true crime, romance, etc.

I also would like to be ghelpful in any area in which you are
having
difficulty with Learning Ally.  If watching the YouTube video
doesn't work,
wy not call tech support? OOur blind tech experts are wonderful
in
explaining processes and answering questions about how something
works.  In
addition, so that I can help YOU, please let mek now what
specific issues
you are having with the website.

You can e-mail me offlist if your question or issue is lengthy so
that this
list doesn't get monoopolized.

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Annemarie Cooke
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Jan  8 20:51:18 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:51:18 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list
In-Reply-To: <COL123-W40B182D29D3BE3E99DF88A949B0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.7883.1325904307.25002.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<COL123-W40B182D29D3BE3E99DF88A949B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00d501ccce47$45694af0$d03be0d0$@comcast.net>

	Hello anne marie,

Thanks for your help and suggestions in clariflying to us all of
the threads that has been going on here on the list with learning
allay and, your willingness to assist us off the list with the
web site and all. I will keep your email address handy and, I
will if you don't mind pass on your email address if possible.

Thanks again and, I will talk to you soon.



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Annemarie Cooke
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 6:40 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list


Hey NABSters,
 
I am writing for a couple of reasons. Starting with Joshua's
suggestion about Learning Ally posting samples of readers'
voices. Perhaps you didn't know we use more than 5,000 volunteers
to read our audiobooks. The readers are assigned books based on
their specificc subject knowledge; e.g. a physicist reads
physics, a native speaker of Spanish reads Spanish language, etc.
The volunteers read for at least two hours a week and many
readers are assigned to a book so that it can be completed and
uploaded for us as quickly as possible.
 
With all of these factors, Learning Ally does offer book samples
on thee website but providing samples of a volunteer group thaa
changes on a regular basis doesn't seem feasible.
 
You may know tha tthe NLS hires paid actors or voicers to read
the majority of those books and that individual readers read
specificgenres of books, such as mysteries, true crime, romance,
etc.
 
I also would like to be ghelpful in any area in which you are
having difficulty with Learning Ally. If watching the YouTube
video doesn't work, wy not call tech support? OOur blind tech
experts are wonderful in explaining processes and answering
questions about how something works. In addition, so that I can
help YOU, please let mek now what specific issues you are having
with the website.
 
You can e-mail me offlist if your question or issue is lengthy so
that this list doesn't get monoopolized.
 
Many thanks,
 
Annemarie Cooke
Learning Ally consultant (and member)

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 21:08:03 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 16:08:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and list)
Message-ID: <4f0a05d8.0849e00a.4172.2e8c@mx.google.com>

OK thanks.  In Windows 7, they upgraded Word to version 2010, so 
that's what I was asking.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:47:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua 
and list)

spell check is in your word processor; it does not have to do 
with  windows
7.  Using Word, the command is f 7.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 3:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and 
list)

Hi everyone,

Speaking of spell check, can anybody tell me how to work the
spell checker in Windows 7? How do you run a document through
spell check? Also, if I write an email using Gmail's Web
interface, can I run the email I typed into Gmail's form field
through spell check?
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:56:47 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list

Good evening everyone,

    A professional representing an agency for the blind should
know to
proofread their e-mail messages prior to sending them.  We do
this and run
them through spell-check before they're sent.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annemarie Cooke" <aec732 at msn.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list



Hey NABSters,

I am writing for a couple of reasons.  Starting with Joshua's
suggestion
about Learning Ally posting samples of readers' voices.  Perhaps
you didn't
know we use more than 5,000 volunteers to read our audiobooks.
The readers
are assigned books based on their specificc subject knowledge;
e.g.  a
physicist reads physics, a native speaker of Spanish reads
Spanish language,
etc.  The volunteers read for at least two hours a week and many
readers are
assigned to a book so that it can be completed and uploaded for
us as
quickly as possible.

With all of these factors, Learning Ally does offer book samples
on thee
website but providing samples of a volunteer group thaa changes
on a regular
basis doesn't seem feasible.

You may know tha tthe NLS hires paid actors or voicers to read
the majority
of those books and that individual readers read specificgenres of
books,
such as mysteries, true crime, romance, etc.

I also would like to be ghelpful in any area in which you are
having
difficulty with Learning Ally.  If watching the YouTube video
doesn't work,
wy not call tech support? OOur blind tech experts are wonderful
in
explaining processes and answering questions about how something
works.  In
addition, so that I can help YOU, please let mek now what
specific issues
you are having with the website.

You can e-mail me offlist if your question or issue is lengthy so
that this
list doesn't get monoopolized.

Many thanks,

Annemarie Cooke
Learning Ally consultant (and member)
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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Sun Jan  8 21:11:19 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:11:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and list)
References: <4f09fbbd.4abee00a.712c.ffffaef3@mx.google.com>
	<A0EA080B1D6940E6AF14C02427DB7BD2@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <003601ccce4a$118e6c30$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good afternoon everyone,

You can also set Outlook to perform a spell-check on your messages before 
they're sent. I believe Mozilla Thunderbird also has this feature too.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and list)


spell check is in your word processor; it does not have to do with  windows
7. Using Word, the command is f 7.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 3:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and list)

Hi everyone,

Speaking of spell check, can anybody tell me how to work the
spell checker in Windows 7? How do you run a document through
spell check? Also, if I write an email using Gmail's Web
interface, can I run the email I typed into Gmail's form field
through spell check?
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:56:47 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list

Good evening everyone,

    A professional representing an agency for the blind should
know to
proofread their e-mail messages prior to sending them.  We do
this and run
them through spell-check before they're sent.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annemarie Cooke" <aec732 at msn.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list



Hey NABSters,

I am writing for a couple of reasons.  Starting with Joshua's
suggestion
about Learning Ally posting samples of readers' voices.  Perhaps
you didn't
know we use more than 5,000 volunteers to read our audiobooks.
The readers
are assigned books based on their specificc subject knowledge;
e.g.  a
physicist reads physics, a native speaker of Spanish reads
Spanish language,
etc.  The volunteers read for at least two hours a week and many
readers are
assigned to a book so that it can be completed and uploaded for
us as
quickly as possible.

With all of these factors, Learning Ally does offer book samples
on thee
website but providing samples of a volunteer group thaa changes
on a regular
basis doesn't seem feasible.

You may know tha tthe NLS hires paid actors or voicers to read
the majority
of those books and that individual readers read specificgenres of
books,
such as mysteries, true crime, romance, etc.

I also would like to be ghelpful in any area in which you are
having
difficulty with Learning Ally.  If watching the YouTube video
doesn't work,
wy not call tech support? OOur blind tech experts are wonderful
in
explaining processes and answering questions about how something
works.  In
addition, so that I can help YOU, please let mek now what
specific issues
you are having with the website.

You can e-mail me offlist if your question or issue is lengthy so
that this
list doesn't get monoopolized.

Many thanks,

Annemarie Cooke
Learning Ally consultant (and member)
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 02:37:52 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 18:37:52 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and list)
In-Reply-To: <4f09fbbd.4abee00a.712c.ffffaef3@mx.google.com>
References: <4f09fbbd.4abee00a.712c.ffffaef3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <501107BFC7B5446EBAEFFD5B7BAACB47@userPC>

You can run the spell check by pressing f 7. That works for both a document
and an email. To except a suggestion press alt C. To ignore a suggestion
press alt I Hope this helps.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and list)

Hi everyone,

Speaking of spell check, can anybody tell me how to work the 
spell checker in Windows 7? How do you run a document through 
spell check? Also, if I write an email using Gmail's Web 
interface, can I run the email I typed into Gmail's form field 
through spell check?
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:56:47 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list

Good evening everyone,

    A professional representing an agency for the blind should 
know to
proofread their e-mail messages prior to sending them.  We do 
this and run
them through spell-check before they're sent.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annemarie Cooke" <aec732 at msn.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list



Hey NABSters,

I am writing for a couple of reasons.  Starting with Joshua's 
suggestion
about Learning Ally posting samples of readers' voices.  Perhaps 
you didn't
know we use more than 5,000 volunteers to read our audiobooks.  
The readers
are assigned books based on their specificc subject knowledge; 
e.g.  a
physicist reads physics, a native speaker of Spanish reads 
Spanish language,
etc.  The volunteers read for at least two hours a week and many 
readers are
assigned to a book so that it can be completed and uploaded for 
us as
quickly as possible.

With all of these factors, Learning Ally does offer book samples 
on thee
website but providing samples of a volunteer group thaa changes 
on a regular
basis doesn't seem feasible.

You may know tha tthe NLS hires paid actors or voicers to read 
the majority
of those books and that individual readers read specificgenres of 
books,
such as mysteries, true crime, romance, etc.

I also would like to be ghelpful in any area in which you are 
having
difficulty with Learning Ally.  If watching the YouTube video 
doesn't work,
wy not call tech support? OOur blind tech experts are wonderful 
in
explaining processes and answering questions about how something 
works.  In
addition, so that I can help YOU, please let mek now what 
specific issues
you are having with the website.

You can e-mail me offlist if your question or issue is lengthy so 
that this
list doesn't get monoopolized.

Many thanks,

Annemarie Cooke
Learning Ally consultant (and member)
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 23:53:02 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 18:53:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and list)
Message-ID: <4f0a2c83.42c8e00a.05f5.ffffb6e7@mx.google.com>

OK, thanks!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Rania Ismail CMT" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 18:37:52 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua 
and list)

You can run the spell check by pressing f 7.  That works for both 
a document
and an email.  To except a suggestion press alt C.  To ignore a 
suggestion
press alt I Hope this helps.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and 
list)

Hi everyone,

Speaking of spell check, can anybody tell me how to work the
spell checker in Windows 7? How do you run a document through
spell check? Also, if I write an email using Gmail's Web
interface, can I run the email I typed into Gmail's form field
through spell check?
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:56:47 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list

Good evening everyone,

    A professional representing an agency for the blind should
know to
proofread their e-mail messages prior to sending them.  We do
this and run
them through spell-check before they're sent.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annemarie Cooke" <aec732 at msn.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list



Hey NABSters,

I am writing for a couple of reasons.  Starting with Joshua's
suggestion
about Learning Ally posting samples of readers' voices.  Perhaps
you didn't
know we use more than 5,000 volunteers to read our audiobooks.
The readers
are assigned books based on their specificc subject knowledge;
e.g.  a
physicist reads physics, a native speaker of Spanish reads
Spanish language,
etc.  The volunteers read for at least two hours a week and many
readers are
assigned to a book so that it can be completed and uploaded for
us as
quickly as possible.

With all of these factors, Learning Ally does offer book samples
on thee
website but providing samples of a volunteer group thaa changes
on a regular
basis doesn't seem feasible.

You may know tha tthe NLS hires paid actors or voicers to read
the majority
of those books and that individual readers read specificgenres of
books,
such as mysteries, true crime, romance, etc.

I also would like to be ghelpful in any area in which you are
having
difficulty with Learning Ally.  If watching the YouTube video
doesn't work,
wy not call tech support? OOur blind tech experts are wonderful
in
explaining processes and answering questions about how something
works.  In
addition, so that I can help YOU, please let mek now what
specific issues
you are having with the website.

You can e-mail me offlist if your question or issue is lengthy so
that this
list doesn't get monoopolized.

Many thanks,

Annemarie Cooke
Learning Ally consultant (and member)
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 03:18:30 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:18:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and list)
In-Reply-To: <4f0a2c83.42c8e00a.05f5.ffffb6e7@mx.google.com>
References: <4f0a2c83.42c8e00a.05f5.ffffb6e7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F75DAB1587284DAE8D0A391F0D6F2712@userPC>

Your welcome. Glad I was able to help.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 3:53 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and list)

OK, thanks!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Rania Ismail CMT" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 18:37:52 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua 
and list)

You can run the spell check by pressing f 7.  That works for both 
a document
and an email.  To except a suggestion press alt C.  To ignore a 
suggestion
press alt I Hope this helps.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Spell Check in Windows 7 (was re: to Joshua and 
list)

Hi everyone,

Speaking of spell check, can anybody tell me how to work the
spell checker in Windows 7? How do you run a document through
spell check? Also, if I write an email using Gmail's Web
interface, can I run the email I typed into Gmail's form field
through spell check?
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:56:47 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list

Good evening everyone,

    A professional representing an agency for the blind should
know to
proofread their e-mail messages prior to sending them.  We do
this and run
them through spell-check before they're sent.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annemarie Cooke" <aec732 at msn.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:39 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] to Joshua and list



Hey NABSters,

I am writing for a couple of reasons.  Starting with Joshua's
suggestion
about Learning Ally posting samples of readers' voices.  Perhaps
you didn't
know we use more than 5,000 volunteers to read our audiobooks.
The readers
are assigned books based on their specificc subject knowledge;
e.g.  a
physicist reads physics, a native speaker of Spanish reads
Spanish language,
etc.  The volunteers read for at least two hours a week and many
readers are
assigned to a book so that it can be completed and uploaded for
us as
quickly as possible.

With all of these factors, Learning Ally does offer book samples
on thee
website but providing samples of a volunteer group thaa changes
on a regular
basis doesn't seem feasible.

You may know tha tthe NLS hires paid actors or voicers to read
the majority
of those books and that individual readers read specificgenres of
books,
such as mysteries, true crime, romance, etc.

I also would like to be ghelpful in any area in which you are
having
difficulty with Learning Ally.  If watching the YouTube video
doesn't work,
wy not call tech support? OOur blind tech experts are wonderful
in
explaining processes and answering questions about how something
works.  In
addition, so that I can help YOU, please let mek now what
specific issues
you are having with the website.

You can e-mail me offlist if your question or issue is lengthy so
that this
list doesn't get monoopolized.

Many thanks,

Annemarie Cooke
Learning Ally consultant (and member)
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From marrie12 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 06:47:54 2012
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:47:54 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] tomorrow's tcjwb on wics radio america
Message-ID: <F0BAFE5D-0C50-48FF-B67B-1797357934B7@gmail.com>

Hello to all. tomorrow will be a fun edition of tcjwb on wics radio america. We will be hearing myster live from 1996, at least that's when it was taped lol! I've had the chance to go to that show and it was the best one I've been to in years. so tune in. Info is below.

Listen link: http://listen.ultrastreams.us:8022/stream.m3u 
time: 9:00 pm eastern, 8:00 pm central, 7:00 pm mountain and 6:00 pm Pacific
website: http://wics.cc
station twitter: http://twitter.com/wicsradio
show twitter is http://twitter.com/tcjwb. I will also be discussing my contest again.

See you all there.


From aec732 at msn.com  Mon Jan  9 15:02:09 2012
From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:02:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!
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Dear List:
 
We at Learning Ally are meeting to discuss website access and I need to know today, please, your SPECIFIC issues with downloading books and using the website. It is important to know also whether you are a JAWS user or use other assistive technology when using the LA website.
I urge you to take advantage of this opportunity so we can make our website and download process more user-friendly.
 
Many thanks in advance!
 
Annemarie Cooke
on behalf of Learning Ally 		 	   		  

From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Jan  9 15:10:10 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:10:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!
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I don't personally use the download feature, but so you'll know, for
those of us that use it, I'm a Jaws user.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/9/12, Annemarie Cooke <aec732 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Dear List:
>
> We at Learning Ally are meeting to discuss website access and I need to know
> today, please, your SPECIFIC issues with downloading books and using the
> website. It is important to know also whether you are a JAWS user or use
> other assistive technology when using the LA website.
> I urge you to take advantage of this opportunity so we can make our website
> and download process more user-friendly.
>
> Many thanks in advance!
>
> Annemarie Cooke
> on behalf of Learning Ally 		 	   		
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From: aphelps at BISM.org (Amy Phelps)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 15:08:55 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Jobs] Tech Writer Wanted for Apple Magazine
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Subject: [Jobs] Tech Writer Wanted for Apple Magazine


FYI,

Everett

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(Found On JustMarkets.com)

WRITER WANTED FOR APPLE MAGAZINE

My name is Luiz Claudio Monteiro. I am the Executive Editor for

AppleMagazine. A tech magazine about the world of Apple. We are being

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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 15:32:47 2012
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:32:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!
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On the website specifically, the combo box to select a wma or Diasy format
needs some work. On the website, when a book is the bookshelf, it is not
specific enough to say where to click to download the book. As far as the
download manager, there are four dialog boxes, these boxes are not labeled
in what they do or what they are for. Your not directed on how to nagivate
between them or how to move around in them. The sync or download is
confusing. I understand people want options to be able to put their books on
different devices, but the ability to manually handle the files has been
complicated greatly. There is also text in the dialog boxes with the
download manager that is not spoken by JAWS. I am using JAWS 12. I can go
into more detail if needed. And you can email me off list at
Marsha.drenth at temple.edu 

Marsha 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Annemarie Cooke
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 10:02 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!


Dear List:
 
We at Learning Ally are meeting to discuss website access and I need to know
today, please, your SPECIFIC issues with downloading books and using the
website. It is important to know also whether you are a JAWS user or use
other assistive technology when using the LA website.
I urge you to take advantage of this opportunity so we can make our website
and download process more user-friendly.
 
Many thanks in advance!
 
Annemarie Cooke
on behalf of Learning Ally 		 	   		  
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 15:42:50 2012
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:42:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] torres scholarship
References: <28DEBD505C185140A61A985DCBAB086A09EB4EB2@SN2PRD0402MB108.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Tara,

Thank you for clarifying.

Makes good sense.

I understand why the founders might give preference to certain 
under-represented profile of college students.

Antonio


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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:51 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] torres scholarship


>
>
> Antonio,
>
> The Torres is open to anyone, both US citizen and non-US citizen. Yet, 
> preference is given to non-US citizens and people living in the metro 
> area, which is, I think, NJ, CT, and NY.  The people who  created this 
> scholarship, and donate the money, made up these regulations, since  I 
> believe they wanted to help international students.
>
> The bottom line, it is open to any student who is legally blind.  Yes, you 
> can apply, and do qualify.
>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jan  9 15:49:37 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:49:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!
References: <mailman.13.1326045604.2440.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org><COL123-W38122F47A5960F23C6363494980@phx.gbl>
	<0FF45F129B5D40EF9562D93976EA8E81@Cptr233>
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You guys may want to CC Annemarie on the replies as she only receives the 
digest version of the list.

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!


> On the website specifically, the combo box to select a wma or Diasy format
> needs some work. On the website, when a book is the bookshelf, it is not
> specific enough to say where to click to download the book. As far as the
> download manager, there are four dialog boxes, these boxes are not labeled
> in what they do or what they are for. Your not directed on how to nagivate
> between them or how to move around in them. The sync or download is
> confusing. I understand people want options to be able to put their books 
> on
> different devices, but the ability to manually handle the files has been
> complicated greatly. There is also text in the dialog boxes with the
> download manager that is not spoken by JAWS. I am using JAWS 12. I can go
> into more detail if needed. And you can email me off list at
> Marsha.drenth at temple.edu
>
> Marsha
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Annemarie Cooke
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 10:02 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> We at Learning Ally are meeting to discuss website access and I need to 
> know
> today, please, your SPECIFIC issues with downloading books and using the
> website. It is important to know also whether you are a JAWS user or use
> other assistive technology when using the LA website.
> I urge you to take advantage of this opportunity so we can make our 
> website
> and download process more user-friendly.
>
> Many thanks in advance!
>
> Annemarie Cooke
> on behalf of Learning Ally
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From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 15:58:31 2012
From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:58:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Twitter question
Message-ID: <CAN+-G_Dnvg8uhAMZOd_kgyBWi6gYEyBPp3G=oSUhGyYRx1ZX9g@mail.gmail.com>

I'm curious to find out: How do people accept foller requests on
Twitter? I'm using JAWsS version 12.
Thanks,
Patrick


From freethaught at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 16:04:01 2012
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:04:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
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	<4B4F39291B69420F8533997F2DA49E29@Gloria>
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gloria,

I understand your point about being positive, but finding a good thing does 
not excuse Learning Ally's oversight of access and usability of their 
product to their clients.

I have skipped reading many messages in this thread because the focus has 
not been on solving the issues we have but elsewhere.

Our frustrations are valid. I started this thread with the fortunate comment 
that this must have been an oversight on the part of learning Ally.

While LA will not do a thing to shut off blind users from using the sight on 
purpose, they did not put enough thought into rolling out the new site 
features. I think they rather make everything ready for the differently 
abled, and overlooked the different abilities and needs of screen reader 
users.

The point is that they did shut off the blind users, and if you can't get to 
your books, you can't enjoy any future efforts to make books accessible.

The non-proffit should and will be held responsible for making the use of 
their books nearly impossible for blind people who do not take precise 
measures to download and use their new book manager.

Is there book manager inaccessible? No it is not. I will be the first to 
tell you I've seen reports of frustrated blind users who can not download 
and play materials successfully. In the other hand I will tell you I did so 
listen to materials successfully on my player of choice the very next day I 
started this discussion. It took a simple call to Learning Ally and a 
conversation with one of their customer service reps.

Another call alerted upper management of the problems we have. many posts, 
and I suspect, letters later, the problem may still be unsolved.

If you want to get at your books I suggest you call and talk to somebody who 
can help. And if you'd like to gain better access then reach someone there 
who can bring about change.

Here is a FaceBook update to my wall regarding this.

I spoke with one of Learning Ally's staff and they helped me navigate to 
their new download process. It works well once you get to it.

I don't have knowledge of how to do this independently since the site is 
still very cumbersome, and suggest people call in if they need tech support. 
I

***

Another exchange said

So just going to your bookshelf and choosing a book from it to download 
isn't the way to get to the easy-to-use downloading?
You are correct. You must download and set up the new download manager 
software, set up your device, victor reader, Book Sense, etc. The book shelf 
will tell you what books you have ready to download. You right arrow from 
the book title and select it, then press the download button, choose a 
folder within your device if you wish, and the magic happens. It makes more 
sense once you actually do it, but it isn't difficult once someone actually 
tells you the procedure.
Sincerely,

Antonio


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again


> Hi,
> I understand everyones frestration with what is gion gon with Learning 
> Ali, but I think we should try to appriciate and give them credit for what 
> they are trying to do. They may be feeling a bit ove4r welmed with the 
> frestrations of everyons so when we want to find fault in what is goin g 
> on try instead to find something that is going well. Just a thought
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 9:39 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally again
>
>
>> Fellow Students,
>>
>>
>>
>> As I said in a previous post, I emailed the customer service people at
>> Learning Ally. In their response to me, I received the attached file. Now 
>> I
>> haven't quite got this process to work. And it is by no means completely
>> accessible. Perhaps this will help someone figure it out better than I 
>> have.
>> I do now have the book I needed, but I think I'd rather have a root 
>> canal.
>> When I respond to customer service I will most definitely be telling them
>> how they can improve.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> marsha
>>
>>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 16:09:59 2012
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:09:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!
References: <mailman.13.1326045604.2440.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<COL123-W38122F47A5960F23C6363494980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8F11938D794F403085D3FBD41F3E0FD9@antonioa544aa0>

Hello Annemarie,

thank you for your request for feedback. Now where do we send our 
suggestions off list?

Antonio


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Annemarie Cooke" <aec732 at msn.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 10:02 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!


>
> Dear List:
>
> We at Learning Ally are meeting to discuss website access and I need to 
> know today, please, your SPECIFIC issues with downloading books and using 
> the website. It is important to know also whether you are a JAWS user or 
> use other assistive technology when using the LA website.
> I urge you to take advantage of this opportunity so we can make our 
> website and download process more user-friendly.
>
> Many thanks in advance!
>
> Annemarie Cooke
> on behalf of Learning Ally
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From leanicole1988 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 16:15:30 2012
From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:15:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Twitter question
In-Reply-To: <CAN+-G_Dnvg8uhAMZOd_kgyBWi6gYEyBPp3G=oSUhGyYRx1ZX9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN+-G_Dnvg8uhAMZOd_kgyBWi6gYEyBPp3G=oSUhGyYRx1ZX9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD0KW=biY-1CVjk5ODpQ66daKjNV=LH67LxO-wDv9wmwyBxWCg@mail.gmail.com>

some people uses a cliant to work with it. one that i know of but is
not in works any more is called quitter. there is another I know of
but not sure of the name exactly think it is called
twit monger.

Not sure on the details though. It I believe makes it so you can use
it on your computer without having to go to the website.

On 1/9/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm curious to find out: How do people accept foller requests on
> Twitter? I'm using JAWsS version 12.
> Thanks,
> Patrick
>
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-- 

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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jan  9 16:59:13 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 08:59:13 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!
References: <mailman.13.1326045604.2440.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org><COL123-W38122F47A5960F23C6363494980@phx.gbl>
	<8F11938D794F403085D3FBD41F3E0FD9@antonioa544aa0>
Message-ID: <D301A8FE3B77409FA3CA1BDB2F5EF482@stanford.edu>

Annemarie's email is: aec732 at msn.com
She will not receive any emails sent to the list till the end of the day 
because she receives the digest form, so please CC her on any emails that 
she needs to read.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Antonio Guimaraes" <freethaught at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!


> Hello Annemarie,
>
> thank you for your request for feedback. Now where do we send our 
> suggestions off list?
>
> Antonio
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Annemarie Cooke" <aec732 at msn.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 10:02 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!
>
>
>>
>> Dear List:
>>
>> We at Learning Ally are meeting to discuss website access and I need to 
>> know today, please, your SPECIFIC issues with downloading books and using 
>> the website. It is important to know also whether you are a JAWS user or 
>> use other assistive technology when using the LA website.
>> I urge you to take advantage of this opportunity so we can make our 
>> website and download process more user-friendly.
>>
>> Many thanks in advance!
>>
>> Annemarie Cooke
>> on behalf of Learning Ally
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
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>>
>
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 17:01:18 2012
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:01:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Jobs] Tech Writer Wanted for Apple Magazine
In-Reply-To: <2F0E613B2BAE494FB8A70DD032F0F22840F08779@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com>
References: <000c01cccee0$1fe29180$5fa7b480$@com>
	<2F0E613B2BAE494FB8A70DD032F0F22840F08779@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com>
Message-ID: <4F0B1D5E.8020705@gmail.com>

Thanks for the forward,

Am I the only one who is having trouble opening www.applemagazine.com

I would like to verify the credibility of the editor staff and claims of 
readership, but the site is not displaying for me using JAWS 11.



On 1/9/2012 10:08 AM, Amy Phelps wrote:
>
> Thanks!
> Amy C. Phelps
> 410-737-2642
>
> Follow us: Facebook - Bism YouthPrograms
> Twitter @BISM_Youth
>
> Help sponsor our youth program activities Donate<https://npo.networkforgood.org/Donate/Donate.aspx?npoSubscriptionId=1003647>
>
>
>
> "...given proper training and opportunity, the average blind person can do the average job in the average place of business and do it as well as his or her sighted neighbor..." --Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, quoted in "Freedom for the Blind" by James H. Omvig
>
> Confidentiality Note:  The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer.
>
> From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Everett Gavel
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 10:05 AM
> To: jobs at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Jobs] Tech Writer Wanted for Apple Magazine
>
>
> FYI,
>
> Everett
>
> -----original message-----
>
> (Found On JustMarkets.com)
>
> WRITER WANTED FOR APPLE MAGAZINE
>
> My name is Luiz Claudio Monteiro. I am the Executive Editor for
>
> AppleMagazine. A tech magazine about the world of Apple. We are being
>
> published through Zinio in 206 countries and territories, and we are now
>
> in our 10th edition. I am looking for tech writers with experience with
>
> Apple products and software. The workload is of around 3000 words per week
>
> at $0,10 per word. Submit your resume and published articles for analysis
>
> in your application/email.
>
> Compensation: $0,10 per word
>
> Reply to: http://www.freelancejobopenings.com/job/writer-brasilia-df-brazil-applemagazine-2c57e83f45/
>
>
>    
>
>
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 17:06:52 2012
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:06:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Twitter question
In-Reply-To: <CAN+-G_Dnvg8uhAMZOd_kgyBWi6gYEyBPp3G=oSUhGyYRx1ZX9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN+-G_Dnvg8uhAMZOd_kgyBWi6gYEyBPp3G=oSUhGyYRx1ZX9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F0B1EAC.3080606@gmail.com>

The new and more widely used twitter client is called The Qube. It works 
and feels like qwitter. It uses open source code from Qwitter, but does 
not allow one to accept follower requests as far as I can tell.

I use sighted help to accept follower requests.

Antonio

On 1/9/2012 10:58 AM, Patrick Molloy wrote:
> I'm curious to find out: How do people accept foller requests on
> Twitter? I'm using JAWsS version 12.
> Thanks,
> Patrick
>
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From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  9 17:10:47 2012
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:10:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Jobs] Tech Writer Wanted for Apple Magazine
In-Reply-To: <4F0B1D5E.8020705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1326129047.83790.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Antonio,
I was able to open it however, I have not really looked to see if it is credible cite.

Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Mon, 1/9/12, Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [Jobs] Tech Writer Wanted for Apple Magazine
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, January 9, 2012, 11:01 AM
> Thanks for the forward,
> 
> Am I the only one who is having trouble opening
> www.applemagazine.com
> 
> I would like to verify the credibility of the editor staff
> and claims of 
> readership, but the site is not displaying for me using
> JAWS 11.
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/9/2012 10:08 AM, Amy Phelps wrote:
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Amy C. Phelps
> > 410-737-2642
> >
> > Follow us: Facebook - Bism YouthPrograms
> > Twitter @BISM_Youth
> >
> > Help sponsor our youth program activities Donate<https://npo.networkforgood.org/Donate/Donate.aspx?npoSubscriptionId=1003647>
> >
> >
> >
> > "...given proper training and opportunity, the average
> blind person can do the average job in the average place of
> business and do it as well as his or her sighted
> neighbor..." --Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, quoted in "Freedom for
> the Blind" by James H. Omvig
> >
> > Confidentiality Note:  The information contained
> in this message may be privileged and confidential and
> protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is
> not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent
> responsible for delivering this message to the intended
> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination,
> distribution or copying of this communication is strictly
> prohibited. If you have received this communication in
> error, please notify us immediately by replying to the
> message and deleting it from your computer.
> >
> > From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Everett Gavel
> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 10:05 AM
> > To: jobs at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [Jobs] Tech Writer Wanted for Apple Magazine
> >
> >
> > FYI,
> >
> > Everett
> >
> > -----original message-----
> >
> > (Found On JustMarkets.com)
> >
> > WRITER WANTED FOR APPLE MAGAZINE
> >
> > My name is Luiz Claudio Monteiro. I am the Executive
> Editor for
> >
> > AppleMagazine. A tech magazine about the world of
> Apple. We are being
> >
> > published through Zinio in 206 countries and
> territories, and we are now
> >
> > in our 10th edition. I am looking for tech writers
> with experience with
> >
> > Apple products and software. The workload is of around
> 3000 words per week
> >
> > at $0,10 per word. Submit your resume and published
> articles for analysis
> >
> > in your application/email.
> >
> > Compensation: $0,10 per word
> >
> > Reply to: http://www.freelancejobopenings.com/job/writer-brasilia-df-brazil-applemagazine-2c57e83f45/
> >
> >
> >    
> >
> >
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Mon Jan  9 19:17:44 2012
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 13:17:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOvQQ6E9Re6nJrvHZ20ZGxTHyW7+-zCF8O1O4=qd5S9H=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000005288485@mailback4.g2host.com>

Joshua,

You have had a lot of pretty negative things to say on this subject, do you really mean you don't have 
any specific problems to describe to her?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:10:10 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote:

>I don't personally use the download feature, but so you'll know, for
>those of us that use it, I'm a Jaws user.
>Blessings, Joshua

>On 1/9/12, Annemarie Cooke <aec732 at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear List:
>>
>> We at Learning Ally are meeting to discuss website access and I need to know
>> today, please, your SPECIFIC issues with downloading books and using the
>> website. It is important to know also whether you are a JAWS user or use
>> other assistive technology when using the LA website.
>> I urge you to take advantage of this opportunity so we can make our website
>> and download process more user-friendly.
>>
>> Many thanks in advance!
>>
>> Annemarie Cooke
>> on behalf of Learning Ally 		 	   		
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From djackson at BISM.org  Mon Jan  9 19:29:59 2012
From: djackson at BISM.org (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:29:59 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] BISM Independence 2012 and 101
Message-ID: <664916DD3FF58F45BF6F434E6676E7FB6A8EE7@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com>

Greetings all,
Ø  Are you proficient in the basic skills of blindness?
Ø  Are you ready to inspire confidence in our youth through enjoyable activities such as sailing, attending an O's game, ballroom dance, and other adventures?
Ø   Are you adventurous and willing to blaze a trail with our young energetic explorers in happening territory like Baltimore, New York City and Washington, DC?
Ø  Are you ready to spend a summer passing on this awesome knowledge and high expectations to some of our willing young friends?

We at Blind Industries and Services of Maryland (BISM) cordially invite you to apply to become one of our summer staff in our 8-week Independence 2012 high school program or our all-new 3-week Independence "101" middle school program!  The dates of the programs are June 5 - August 15, 2012 and July 14 - August 15, 2012, respectively. As a member of our dynamic staff, you will have an opportunity to provide daily class instruction to youth in one or more of the areas of cane travel, Braille, computer/technology, independent living (Home Ec.), and daily seminar class.  As an instructor, you will also live in apartments with students and provide guidance/teaching in cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping, money management, and doing laundry, while having lots of fun.  Finally, in addition to the many exciting confidence-building activities we have planned throughout the summer, students in our Independence 2012 program will also attend the national convention of the National Federation of the Blind in Dallas, Texas where they will meet successful blind people from around the world, learn what's happening on the national level, attend the National Association of Blind Students Seminar, learn self-advocacy, check-out the latest access technology, and attend a wide array of blindness related seminars.
We are very excited about what's in store for our programs this summer!  If you are interested in being an empowering force in Independence 2012 or 101 please complete and sign the attached application of your interest and return to Amy Phelps, 3345 Washington Blvd., Baltimore, MD 21227, fax to 410-737-2689, or email aphelps at bism.org<mailto:aphelps at bism.org>.  For further inquiry and assistance, please contact Dezman Jackson at 410-737-2676 or djackson at bism.org<mailto:djackson at bism.org>.


Best regards,

Dezman Jackson, NOMC, NCLB

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Twitter @BISM_Youth

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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 19:42:00 2012
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 13:42:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally
Message-ID: <002701cccf06$c1e0f280$45a2d780$@com>

Dear List,

 

I just wanted to jump in here to let you all know that the issues with the
usability of the Learning Ally website and download manager are concerns
that, thanks to Antonio, we are aware of. We are definitely concerned with
the ease of access to books for screen reader users. It seems clear that the
folks at Learning Ally are likewise concerned with the issue judging by
their interest in collecting information on the specific problems blind
students are having accessing books.

 

Since the problem has already been brought to the attention of Learning Ally
staff, including their chief technical officer, I don't feel that any type
of formal communication or complaint from NABS is warranted at this time,
especially in light of the apparent willingness of Learning Ally to solicit
feedback and address the issue.

 

As Antonio is personally familiar with the accessibility/usability issues,
and has already begun to engage in a dialogue with key staff at Learning
Ally, he will continue to serve as the point person on this issue, updating
the list and NABS board as necessary.

 

In the interim, I encourage folks who need immediate access to LA books to
call tech support to be walked through the download process. I also
encourage everybody who has experienced difficulty with the website and
download manager to voice their concerns and specific problems to Learning
Ally by responding to the on-list request for feedback.

 

Rest assured that NABS will push to ensure the usability of the website in a
formal way if required, but I am optimistic that this issue can and will be
resolved expeditiously thanks to the work of Antonio, students who respond
with feedback on their issues and the Learning Ally staff.

 

Thanks,

 

Sean

 

 


From hogle.sam at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 23:30:22 2012
From: hogle.sam at gmail.com (Sam Hogle)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:30:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] twitter
Message-ID: <4F0B788E.7070203@gmail.com>

Jaws used to work with accepting followers until a few months ago. So 
far, I've found NVDA to be the best way to accept them.
Sam


From amylsabo at comcast.net  Tue Jan 10 00:18:37 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:18:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility specifics needed today, please!
Message-ID: <020801cccf2d$65f7d340$31e779c0$@comcast.net>

	Hello anne marie,

Thanks for this update and, also for letting us know of the
problems and your willingness to assist us and also to help us
out too!

I hope that many students here on the list and beyond take
advantage of this issue.

Thanks again and, I will talk to you soon.




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Annemarie Cooke
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 8:02 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility specificsneeded today, please!


Dear List:
 
We at Learning Ally are meeting to discuss website access and I
need to know today, please, your SPECIFIC issues with downloading
books and using the website. It is important to know also whether
you are a JAWS user or use other assistive technology when using
the LA website.
I urge you to take advantage of this opportunity so we can make
our website and download process more user-friendly.
 
Many thanks in advance!
 
Annemarie Cooke
on behalf of Learning Ally

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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Tue Jan 10 00:30:26 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:30:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally
In-Reply-To: <002701cccf06$c1e0f280$45a2d780$@com>
References: <002701cccf06$c1e0f280$45a2d780$@com>
Message-ID: <020901cccf2f$0cda2fe0$268e8fa0$@comcast.net>

Hello shawn,

Thank you for your views on this topic with learning allay and,
your views on this thread with nabs and this list serv. I'm glad
that Antonio has decided to take this problem under his hat and
deal with this for all of us students and, also has been advised
by you to be the main liaison for nabs and the company.

Thanks again for the update and, also for Antonio's help and
assistance in doing this for us!




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 12:42 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally

Dear List,

 

I just wanted to jump in here to let you all know that the issues
with the usability of the Learning Ally website and download
manager are concerns that, thanks to Antonio, we are aware of. We
are definitely concerned with the ease of access to books for
screen reader users. It seems clear that the folks at Learning
Ally are likewise concerned with the issue judging by their
interest in collecting information on the specific problems blind
students are having accessing books.

 

Since the problem has already been brought to the attention of
Learning Ally staff, including their chief technical officer, I
don't feel that any type of formal communication or complaint
from NABS is warranted at this time, especially in light of the
apparent willingness of Learning Ally to solicit feedback and
address the issue.

 

As Antonio is personally familiar with the
accessibility/usability issues, and has already begun to engage
in a dialogue with key staff at Learning Ally, he will continue
to serve as the point person on this issue, updating the list and
NABS board as necessary.

 

In the interim, I encourage folks who need immediate access to LA
books to call tech support to be walked through the download
process. I also encourage everybody who has experienced
difficulty with the website and download manager to voice their
concerns and specific problems to Learning Ally by responding to
the on-list request for feedback.

 

Rest assured that NABS will push to ensure the usability of the
website in a formal way if required, but I am optimistic that
this issue can and will be resolved expeditiously thanks to the
work of Antonio, students who respond with feedback on their
issues and the Learning Ally staff.

 

Thanks,

 

Sean

 

 

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From leanicole1988 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 01:21:01 2012
From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:21:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] twitter
In-Reply-To: <4F0B788E.7070203@gmail.com>
References: <4F0B788E.7070203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD0KW=bw+OUkqPTVnXTdmcKXvj=Ub=nz0YzENmCv=HtvTQhmDg@mail.gmail.com>

I am having an issue with useing the cliants for twitter.

I tried quitter, I know it is not working now, but then I changed to
twitmonger
The same thing is happening with it.

After installing, which goes  fine, I go to open up the cliant and it
closes the start minue and doesn't open the cliant.
What could be causeing this/ I do not have issues with any other programs.
I just go to start minue, and press enter on the name.


On 1/9/12, Sam Hogle <hogle.sam at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jaws used to work with accepting followers until a few months ago. So
> far, I've found NVDA to be the best way to accept them.
> Sam
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 03:03:02 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:03:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: 2012 NFB Scholarship Program is online
In-Reply-To: <AAC3DBAEDE7D434F9CAFD025B8FBBFA304F0B8780E@VA3DIAXVS631.RED001.local>
References: <AAC3DBAEDE7D434F9CAFD025B8FBBFA304F0B8780E@VA3DIAXVS631.RED001.local>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDAv0ueVubvQcQGd_+Pzq9Swrfw2Nic_zNUcNQi1BDKkw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear College Students:

Are you legally blind and will you be a full-time college student
attending the fall 2012 semester in the United States or Puerto Rico?
The National Federation of the Blind Scholarship Program Application
Form is online at
www.nfb.org/scholarships<http://www.nfb.org/scholarships> along with
all rules for eligibility, the complete list of requirements for a
completed packet, and additional information. (A print application
form is available upon request.)


Our Scholarships:
  1 for $12,000
  1 for $10,000
  2 for $7,000 each
  4 for $5,000 each
22 for $3,000 each
plus additional gifts to each winner

The deadline to submit the application form and all required support
documents is three months away-March 31, 2012-so there is still plenty
of time, especially if you have the other required documents ready to
upload from your computer to the online application form.

We prefer DOC, DOCX, and RTF file formats, though we accept PDF. We
prefer PDF for school transcripts and SAT/ACT scores.  We also accept
documents via mail or as attachments to an email.

Students, it is never too early to begin to assemble your documents.
Please read the details on the 2012 program right now by going to our
website at www.nfb.org/scholarships<http://www.nfb.org/scholarships>.
The "Submission Checklist" on our website lists the full set of
requirements and the FAQ page provides additional information on what
the scholarship committee expects to find in a winning application
packet.

More good news - In addition to this national scholarship program,
many of our state affiliates have their own scholarship program for
blind students living in their state or attending college in their
state.  For contact information, go to
www.nfb.org<http://www.nfb.org/>, then to FAST FACTS, then tap on the
Presidents List and follow the links to your state.

Cordially,

Patti Chang, Esq.
Chairperson, NFB Scholarship Committee
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
       at Jernigan Place
200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
Office:  (410) 659-9314, x2415
E-mail:  scholarships at nfb.org<mailto:scholarships at nfb.org>
Website:  www.nfb.org/scholarships<http://www.nfb.org/scholarships>


P. S.: The deadline is March 31, 2012.


From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jan 10 09:42:31 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 03:42:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Free Software for Sprint
Message-ID: <auto-000043800314@mailfront3.g2host.com>


>
>Sprint to Offer Mobile Accessibility 
>Application, Developed by Code Factory, for Free 
>to Customers Who are Blind or Have L
>Tools
>·         <http://www.fiercetelecom.com/forward?path=node/43538>Email
>·         <http://www.fiercetelecom.com/print/node/43538>Print
>Posted January 9, 2012
>Mobile Accessibility application and new 
>Accessibility Sprint ID packs make smartphone 
>usage more accessible for Sprint customers
>OVERLAND PARK, 
>Kan.--(<http://www.businesswire.com>BUSINESS 
>WIRE)-- Sprint (NYSE: S) is offering customers 
>who are blind or visually impaired, as well as 
>elderly individuals or those who cannot read 
>print on smartphones because of physical, 
>perceptual, developmental, cognitive or learning 
>disabilities, free solutions that will provide 
>them easier access to their Android-powered 
>smartphone’s functionality. The solutions 
>include five new Accessibility Sprint ID packs – 
>bundles of applications available on select 
>Android-powered smartphones – and the Mobile 
>Accessibility suite of applications.
>Mobile Accessibility, developed by Code Factory, 
>is a suite of accessible applications that have 
>been specifically designed for people who are 
>blind or visually impaired. Mobile 
>Accessibility, which features a simplified user 
>interface and textual information that is spoken 
>aloud using voice synthesis to aid navigation of 
>the device, will be offered to Sprint postpaid 
>and Boost Mobile prepaid customers through the 
>Android Market for free starting this quarter.
>The application is available for free for 
>postpaid Sprint customers with Android-powered 
>smartphones activated on a monthly service plan 
>that includes data, such as the Everything Data 
>plan starting at $79.99. The app is also free 
>for no-contract customers with Android-powered 
>smartphones on Boost Mobile’s Monthly or Daily Unlimited plans.
>The application, which typically costs $99, will 
>be available in English and Spanish in the 
>Android Market under the names Sprint Mobile 
>Accessibility EN & ES and Boost Mobile Accessibility EN & ES.
>“Sprint strives to satisfy all our customers’ 
>wireless needs, and with solutions such as 
>these, we’re helping our customers with 
>disabilities realize the full potential of their 
>smartphones,” said Fared Adib, Sprint vice 
>president-Product Development. “That is why 
>we’re offering the Mobile Accessibility app and 
>Accessibility ID packs free of charge.”
>“Code Factory is delighted that one of the most 
>important carriers in the world decided to 
>subsidize Mobile Accessibility for their 
>customers and is helping to assure that the 
>product reaches as many people as possible at no 
>cost for them,” said Eduard Sanchez, Code 
>Factory CEO. “We are proud to be a new partner 
>with Sprint and hope this is the start of a 
>longtime relationship for accessibility for 
>blind and visually impaired Sprint customers.”
>The main features of Mobile Accessibility:
>    * Touch navigation: Users can simply move 
> their finger around the screen and the voice 
> synthesis will read the text located under 
> their finger. They can swipe up/down/right/left 
> and tap on the screen to navigate through the 
> interface, and they can enable sound and vibration feedback.
>    * Easy to input text: In or outside the 
> Mobile Accessibility suite users can use the 
> touch QWERTY keyboard or speech recognition to 
> write text quickly and easily – making it 
> possible to write an SMS or email using their voice only.
>    * Voice synthesis: Provides customers natural sounding voice read back.
>With Mobile Accessibility, users can do the following:
>    * Phone: Make calls, answer calls, hear the 
> caller ID and manage their call log.
>    * Contacts: App tells user how many contacts 
> they have and speaks the contact’s name they selected.
>    * SMS: Virtual keyboard is larger and fills 
> the entire screen. When the user clicks a 
> letter on the keyboard, the app reads the 
> letter to them. This makes it easier for them 
> to compose emails or SMS messages. It also reads SMS messages to the user.
>    * Alarms: Set their alarms.
>    * Web: Full Web browser experience; also 
> reads text from Web page to the user.
>    * Calendar: Create, edit and delete a 
> calendar entry. View all events per day, week or month.
>    * Email: Full access to Gmail accounts; reads emails to the user.
>    * Where am I?: GPS application that gives 
> the user an update about their current location.
>    * Access to basic phone functions, such as 
> date and time, missed calls, etc. User can 
> click on the function and it speaks to them.
>“Having the ability to gain greater access to 
>information on smartphones through the use of a 
>free suite of applications is a very positive 
>development in the blind community’s quest for 
>more affordable choices,” said Mitch Pomerantz, 
>president of the American Council of the Blind 
>(ACB). “The American Council of the Blind 
>commends Sprint for its willingness to take 
>another positive step toward full product accessibility.”
>Accessibility Sprint ID packs:
>Today Sprint is launching five 
>accessibility-themed Sprint ID packs, developed 
>by Apps4Android, which are bundles of 
>applications designed to accommodate the access 
>needs of Sprint subscribers with print 
>disabilities – people who are unable to read 
>standard printed material, including text on 
>their smartphone, because of blindness, visual 
>disability, physical limitations, organic 
>dysfunction or dyslexia. For more information 
>about the Accessibility ID packs, read 
><http://cts.businesswire.com/ct/CT?id=smartlink&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.businesswire.com%2Fnews%2Fhome%2F20120109006634%2Fen&esheet=50125434&lan=en-US&anchor=today%27s+press+release&index=1&md5=6c416915d9284f77111ef97d7c80a47f>today’s 
>press release.
>About Sprint Nextel
>Sprint Nextel offers a comprehensive range of 
>wireless and wireline communications services 
>bringing the freedom of mobility to consumers, 
>businesses and government users. Sprint Nextel 
>served more than 53 million customers at the end 
>of 3Q 2011 and is widely recognized for 
>developing, engineering and deploying innovative 
>technologies, including the first wireless 4G 
>service from a national carrier in the United 
>States; offering industry-leading mobile data 
>services, leading prepaid brands including 
>Virgin Mobile USA, Boost Mobile, and Assurance 
>Wireless; instant national and international 
>push-to-talk capabilities; and a global Tier 1 
>Internet backbone. The 2011 American Customer 
>Satisfaction Index showed Sprint is the #1 most 
>improved company in customer satisfaction, 
>across all industries, over the last three 
>years. Newsweek ranked Sprint No. 3 in its 2011 
>Green Rankings, listing it as one of the 
>nation’s greenest companies, the highest of any 
>telecommunications company. You can learn more 
>and visit Sprint at 
><http://cts.businesswire.com/ct/CT?id=smartlink&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sprint.com&esheet=50125434&lan=en-US&anchor=www.sprint.com&index=2&md5=de9659d58f17dc113e8cbff7ffa6c144>www.sprint.com 
>or 
><http://cts.businesswire.com/ct/CT?id=smartlink&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fsprint&esheet=50125434&lan=en-US&anchor=www.facebook.com%2Fsprint&index=3&md5=843e523a31b78b8bf59c1ad4ecb258e9>www.facebook.com/sprint 
>and 
><http://cts.businesswire.com/ct/CT?id=smartlink&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.twitter.com%2Fsprint&esheet=50125434&lan=en-US&anchor=www.twitter.com%2Fsprint&index=4&md5=40adca48a4642e7af7b468ea6d51db86>www.twitter.com/sprint.
>About Code Factory
>Founded in 1998 with headquarters in Terrassa 
>(Barcelona), Spain, Code Factory is the global 
>leader committed to the development of products 
>designed to eliminate barriers to the 
>accessibility of mobile technology for the blind 
>and visually impaired. Today, Code Factory is 
>the leading provider of accessible mobile 
>applications such as screen readers, screen 
>magnifiers, and Braille interfaces. Code 
>Factory’s products are compatible with the 
>widest range of mainstream mobile devices 
>running on Symbian, Windows Mobile, BlackBerry 
>Smartphones, and Android. Among Code Factory's 
>customers are well-known organizations for the 
>blind such as ONCE in Spain, and carriers 
>Sprint, AT&T, Bouygues Telecom, SFR, TIM and Vodafone.
>
>
>

From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jan 10 10:07:29 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:07:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Twitter question
In-Reply-To: <CAN+-G_Dnvg8uhAMZOd_kgyBWi6gYEyBPp3G=oSUhGyYRx1ZX9g@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CAN+-G_Dnvg8uhAMZOd_kgyBWi6gYEyBPp3G=oSUhGyYRx1ZX9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000043801591@mailfront3.g2host.com>

Twitter is not like Facebook, you don't accept or deny 
requests.  Anyone can follow you, and you can follow anyone.

A number of blind persons use various clients on the iPhone, Many of 
us used Qwitter, which is no longer in development, replaced by 
quitmonger, dna the cube.  There is also an accessible web site, easychirp.com.

Dave

At 09:58 AM 1/9/2012, you wrote:
>I'm curious to find out: How do         people accept foller requests on
>Twitter? I'm using JAWsS version 12.
>Thanks,
>Patrick



From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan 10 11:40:57 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
Message-ID: <CAO83KOtEXmuAuPYERPdLw-PMWOJE-yoOS9mucToThkJpGNLHeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might be
able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
The bad news, is as follows.
#1. I can't get anything, in Braille.
#2. All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
#3. They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of Music
Appreciation, but there's one problem!
It's another compressed video class!
#4. I won't get to graduate in May.
They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that other
Science class, in the Fall.
That's a community college for you!
Oh well!
At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
Blessings, Joshua


From agrima at nbp.org  Tue Jan 10 14:54:39 2012
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 09:54:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The 2012 print/braille Valentines are here!
Message-ID: <005b01cccfa7$c7b2e5a0$5718b0e0$@org>

This year's Valentine can be shared with friends and family of all ages! 

Everyone loves to receive a Valentine with a touch of braille on it 
- and a handy de-coder on the reverse side to show off the symmetry 
of the braille code. 

This year's card features a whimsical, homemade felt Valentine-heart
face and the words, "You're fine, Valentine!" in print and braille. 
Nothing mushy, nothing fussy, just a simple message of praise. 

Large Packs: 32 print/braille Valentines plus envelopes: $14 
Small Packs: 20 print/braille Valentines plus envelopes: $10 

Our other Valentine cards are also still available! 

Note: All Valentines will ship FREE MATTER FOR THE BLIND until February 1; 
after that date we will send via priority mail and charge you for the
postage cost. 

Order your Valentines today:
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/VAL12-32.html

And check out all of our gifts for Valentine's Day:
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/valentinesale.html



******
To order any books, send payment to:
NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302
Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. 
Or order any of our books online at 
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html .



From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 10 15:33:52 2012
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:33:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Twitter question
In-Reply-To: <auto-000043801591@mailfront3.g2host.com>
References: <CAN+-G_Dnvg8uhAMZOd_kgyBWi6gYEyBPp3G=oSUhGyYRx1ZX9g@mail.gmail.com>
	<auto-000043801591@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS17B36C803A33E6AF12D593BA990@phx.gbl>

You do accept or deny Twitter requests if you have your account protected.

Liz Bottner
Guiding Eyes Graduate Council
GEB Voicemail:  800-942-0149 Ext. 2531
e-mail: 
liziswhatis at hotmail.com 
Visit my LiveJournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:07 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question

Twitter is not like Facebook, you don't accept or deny 
requests.  Anyone can follow you, and you can follow anyone.

A number of blind persons use various clients on the iPhone, Many of 
us used Qwitter, which is no longer in development, replaced by 
quitmonger, dna the cube.  There is also an accessible web site,
easychirp.com.

Dave

At 09:58 AM 1/9/2012, you wrote:
>I'm curious to find out: How do         people accept foller requests on
>Twitter? I'm using JAWsS version 12.
>Thanks,
>Patrick


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 21:56:06 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:56:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally
Message-ID: <4f0cb41e.49b7340a.55c2.ffffb4a2@mx.google.com>

Thank you, Sean! I agree and hope that LA does what they say they 
will do, which I'm optomistic that they will.  I also believe 
that the blind should hold them accountable and make sure that 
their Web site and download manager are accessible once the 
problem is resolved.  I don't know for sure how this would be 
done; maybe NABS and the NABS board could keep in contact with 
Learning Ally staff and give them feedback periodically, or maybe 
we encourage them to apply for the NFB's certification program 
for accessible Web sites.  Whatever we do, I don't want our voice 
to fade away when the current problem we are faced with goes 
away; I think we should work with Learning Ally to keep their 
information accessible so we don't run into these problems again.
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Whalen" <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 13:42:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally

Dear List,



I just wanted to jump in here to let you all know that the issues 
with the
usability of the Learning Ally website and download manager are 
concerns
that, thanks to Antonio, we are aware of.  We are definitely 
concerned with
the ease of access to books for screen reader users.  It seems 
clear that the
folks at Learning Ally are likewise concerned with the issue 
judging by
their interest in collecting information on the specific problems 
blind
students are having accessing books.



Since the problem has already been brought to the attention of 
Learning Ally
staff, including their chief technical officer, I don't feel that 
any type
of formal communication or complaint from NABS is warranted at 
this time,
especially in light of the apparent willingness of Learning Ally 
to solicit
feedback and address the issue.



As Antonio is personally familiar with the 
accessibility/usability issues,
and has already begun to engage in a dialogue with key staff at 
Learning
Ally, he will continue to serve as the point person on this 
issue, updating
the list and NABS board as necessary.



In the interim, I encourage folks who need immediate access to LA 
books to
call tech support to be walked through the download process.  I 
also
encourage everybody who has experienced difficulty with the 
website and
download manager to voice their concerns and specific problems to 
Learning
Ally by responding to the on-list request for feedback.



Rest assured that NABS will push to ensure the usability of the 
website in a
formal way if required, but I am optimistic that this issue can 
and will be
resolved expeditiously thanks to the work of Antonio, students 
who respond
with feedback on their issues and the Learning Ally staff.



Thanks,



Sean





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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 21:56:09 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:56:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] twitter
Message-ID: <4f0cb422.49b7340a.55c2.ffffb4a7@mx.google.com>

Is Twitter like Facebook; does the mobile site work better than 
the regular one with JAWS? Would it be better to use the Twitter 
Web site or a client?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Hogle <hogle.sam at gmail.com
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:30:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] twitter

Jaws used to work with accepting followers until a few months 
ago.  So
far, I've found NVDA to be the best way to accept them.
Sam

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 21:56:08 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:56:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Industries and Services of Maryland's return of
	Independence2012 and introduces Independence "101"
Message-ID: <4f0cb420.49b7340a.55c2.ffffb4a5@mx.google.com>



 ---- Original Message ------
From: Amy Phelps <aphelps at BISM.org
Subject: Blind Industries and Services of Maryland's return of 
Independence2012 and introduces Independence "101"
Date sent: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:32:55 +0000


Blind Industries and Services of Maryland is pleased to announce 
the return of our highly successful Independence 2012 program and 
our NEW! Independence "101".
Independence 2012 is an eight-week residential program for blind 
and low vision high school students who are entering/in high 
school in the fall 2012.  Students will live in apartments with 
blind adult instructors/mentors where they will learn how to 
cook, clean, grocery shop, manage money, and wash clothes while 
having lots of fun.  Classes include: cane travel, Braille, 
computer/technology, independent living (Home Ec.), and daily 
seminar class.  In addition to learning the skills of blindness, 
participants will have the opportunity to gain paid community 
work experience during the last two weeks of the program.
Independence 2012 will attend the national convention of the 
National Federation of the Blind in Dallas, TX, where they will 
meet successful blind people from around the world, attend the 
National Association of Blind Students Seminar, learn 
self-advocacy, check-out the latest access technology, and attend 
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 00:37:44 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:37:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Twitter question
Message-ID: <4f0cda00.0849e00a.5e0b.0073@mx.google.com>

Then what were the rest of the people in this thread talking 
about when they said, for example, that they "use sighted 
assistance to accept follower requests?"

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:07:29 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question

Twitter is not like Facebook, you don't accept or deny
requests.  Anyone can follow you, and you can follow anyone.

A number of blind persons use various clients on the iPhone, Many 
of
us used Qwitter, which is no longer in development, replaced by
quitmonger, dna the cube.  There is also an accessible web site, 
easychirp.com.

Dave

At 09:58 AM 1/9/2012, you wrote:
I'm curious to find out: How do         people accept foller 
requests on
Twitter? I'm using JAWsS version 12.
Thanks,
Patrick


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 00:37:45 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:37:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
Message-ID: <4f0cda01.0849e00a.5e0b.0074@mx.google.com>

Um...

(1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not 
offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you 
had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.  
Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you 
took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but 
can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might 
be
able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
The bad news, is as follows.
#1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
#2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
#3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of 
Music
Appreciation, but there's one problem!
It's another compressed video class!
#4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that 
other
Science class, in the Fall.
That's a community college for you!
Oh well!
At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
Blessings, Joshua

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 11 00:56:00 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:56:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
In-Reply-To: <4f0cda01.0849e00a.5e0b.0074@mx.google.com>
References: <4f0cda01.0849e00a.5e0b.0074@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOs2tM9u7j8k+zx1U3wFWRMpw_H5G=5perhq9ixBiX+o8w@mail.gmail.com>

I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order to get
my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I know, 6
months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
This is crazy!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Um...
>
> (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
> offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
> had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
> Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
> 2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
> took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
> can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
> Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
> The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
> be
> able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
> The bad news, is as follows.
> #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
> #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
> #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
> Music
> Appreciation, but there's one problem!
> It's another compressed video class!
> #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
> They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
> other
> Science class, in the Fall.
> That's a community college for you!
> Oh well!
> At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
> Blessings, Joshua
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 01:11:41 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:11:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
Message-ID: <4f0ce1f5.9448e00a.0fd2.0300@mx.google.com>

Oh, I see.  What about Bookshare?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:56:00 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order 
to get
my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I 
know, 6
months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
This is crazy!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Um...

 (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
 offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
 had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
 Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
 2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
 took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
 can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
 Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

 Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
 The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
 be
 able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
 The bad news, is as follows.
 #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
 #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
 #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
 Music
 Appreciation, but there's one problem!
 It's another compressed video class!
 #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
 They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
 other
 Science class, in the Fall.
 That's a community college for you!
 Oh well!
 At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
 Blessings, Joshua

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 11 01:20:20 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:20:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
In-Reply-To: <4f0ce1f5.9448e00a.0fd2.0300@mx.google.com>
References: <4f0ce1f5.9448e00a.0fd2.0300@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOs6wueVR2Fuk3bH205xFYv9QA35yd+c9onp4-3YGvqF0A@mail.gmail.com>

I'll get my US History 1 book from them, this Fall.
The Pac Mate won't read graphs, because it's in computer Braille.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, I see.  What about Bookshare?
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:56:00 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
> I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
> I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
> The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order
> to get
> my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I
> know, 6
> months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
> This is crazy!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Um...
>
>  (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
>  offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
>  had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
>  Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
>  2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
>  took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
>  can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.
>
>  Chris
>
>  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>  nuisance."
>  -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
>  Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
>  Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
>  The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
>  be
>  able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
>  The bad news, is as follows.
>  #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
>  #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
>  #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
>  Music
>  Appreciation, but there's one problem!
>  It's another compressed video class!
>  #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
>  They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
>  other
>  Science class, in the Fall.
>  That's a community college for you!
>  Oh well!
>  At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
>  Blessings, Joshua
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 01:52:14 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:52:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
Message-ID: <4f0ceb75.89bde00a.3eeb.0703@mx.google.com>

Neither does the BrailleNote.  I don't think a graph can be shown 
on a refreshable Braille display.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:20:20 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

I'll get my US History 1 book from them, this Fall.
The Pac Mate won't read graphs, because it's in computer Braille.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Oh, I see.  What about Bookshare?

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:56:00 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

 I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
 I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
 The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order
 to get
 my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I
 know, 6
 months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
 This is crazy!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
  Um...

  (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
  offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said 
you
  had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
  Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
  2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
  took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
  can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.

  Chris

  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  
The
  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
  nuisance."
  -- Kenneth Jernigan

   ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
  Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

  Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
  The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I 
might
  be
  able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
  The bad news, is as follows.
  #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
  #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College 
Algebra.
  #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
  Music
  Appreciation, but there's one problem!
  It's another compressed video class!
  #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
  They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take 
that
  other
  Science class, in the Fall.
  That's a community college for you!
  Oh well!
  At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
  Blessings, Joshua

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 01:57:54 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:57:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
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Chris,
Usually books in braille are not available in college. And if they are they 
need lots of advance notice to  transcribe them. Most students will not know 
the textbook title five or six months in advance. Often a professor chooses 
the book and he/she does not decide til the next semester what to pick.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Um...

(1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
be
able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
The bad news, is as follows.
#1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
#2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
#3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
Music
Appreciation, but there's one problem!
It's another compressed video class!
#4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
other
Science class, in the Fall.
That's a community college for you!
Oh well!
At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
Blessings, Joshua

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 11 02:22:48 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:22:48 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
In-Reply-To: <2E23CBEB71B4419F871436C1355EF0FF@OwnerPC>
References: <4f0cda01.0849e00a.5e0b.0074@mx.google.com>
	<2E23CBEB71B4419F871436C1355EF0FF@OwnerPC>
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Which, (IMO,) does a disservice to blind students.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/10/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Chris,
> Usually books in braille are not available in college. And if they are they
> need lots of advance notice to  transcribe them. Most students will not know
> the textbook title five or six months in advance. Often a professor chooses
> the book and he/she does not decide til the next semester what to pick.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:37 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
> Um...
>
> (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
> offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
> had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
> Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
> 2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
> took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
> can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
> Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
> The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
> be
> able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
> The bad news, is as follows.
> #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
> #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
> #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
> Music
> Appreciation, but there's one problem!
> It's another compressed video class!
> #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
> They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
> other
> Science class, in the Fall.
> That's a community college for you!
> Oh well!
> At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
> Blessings, Joshua
>
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From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:57:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NBP-Announce: The 2012 print/braille Valentines are
	here!
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jan 11 11:02:31 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:02:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Twitter question
In-Reply-To: <4f0cda00.0849e00a.5e0b.0073@mx.google.com>
References: <4f0cda00.0849e00a.5e0b.0073@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000043980155@mailfront3.g2host.com>

Well, I stand corrected, apparently if you "protect" your tweets, 
which I do not do, you have to accept follow requests.

Dave

At 06:37 PM 1/10/2012, you wrote:
>Then what were the rest of the people in this thread talking about 
>when they said, for example, that they "use sighted assistance to 
>accept follower requests?"
>
>Chris
>
>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, 
>blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>-- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:07:29 -0600
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question
>
>Twitter is not like Facebook, you don't accept or deny
>requests.  Anyone can follow you, and you can follow anyone.
>
>A number of blind persons use various clients on the iPhone, Many of
>us used Qwitter, which is no longer in development, replaced by
>quitmonger, dna the cube.  There is also an accessible web site, 
>easychirp.com.
>
>Dave
>
>At 09:58 AM 1/9/2012, you wrote:
>I'm curious to find out: How do         people accept foller requests on
>Twitter? I'm using JAWsS version 12.
>Thanks,
>Patrick



From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 11:50:20 2012
From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 06:50:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Twitter question
In-Reply-To: <auto-000043980155@mailfront3.g2host.com>
References: <4f0cda00.0849e00a.5e0b.0073@mx.google.com>
	<auto-000043980155@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <CAN+-G_DdBqTL_Oeu7+pxnWv4Qc1oinoBpJutCVhf_8-pGuTxAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Seems like the answer is to leave your tweets unprotected, and then
you won't have to worry about the friend requests one way or another.
Patrick Molloy

On 1/11/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> Well, I stand corrected, apparently if you "protect" your tweets,
> which I do not do, you have to accept follow requests.
>
> Dave
>
> At 06:37 PM 1/10/2012, you wrote:
>>Then what were the rest of the people in this thread talking about
>>when they said, for example, that they "use sighted assistance to
>>accept follower requests?"
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity,
>>blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>-- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:07:29 -0600
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question
>>
>>Twitter is not like Facebook, you don't accept or deny
>>requests.  Anyone can follow you, and you can follow anyone.
>>
>>A number of blind persons use various clients on the iPhone, Many of
>>us used Qwitter, which is no longer in development, replaced by
>>quitmonger, dna the cube.  There is also an accessible web site,
>>easychirp.com.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>At 09:58 AM 1/9/2012, you wrote:
>>I'm curious to find out: How do         people accept foller requests on
>>Twitter? I'm using JAWsS version 12.
>>Thanks,
>>Patrick
>
>
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 11:58:45 2012
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:58:45 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Twitter question
In-Reply-To: <CAN+-G_DdBqTL_Oeu7+pxnWv4Qc1oinoBpJutCVhf_8-pGuTxAQ@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <4f0cda00.0849e00a.5e0b.0073@mx.google.com>
	<auto-000043980155@mailfront3.g2host.com>
	<CAN+-G_DdBqTL_Oeu7+pxnWv4Qc1oinoBpJutCVhf_8-pGuTxAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120111035510.01dac540@earthlink.net>

Good morning, I tend to identify with Patrick, on this. If you are 
gonna be so uptight about your tweets, remaining, unprotected. Why 
even be party to social media?? Just curious.


At 03:50 AM 1/11/2012, Patrick Molloy wrote:
>Seems like the answer is to leave your tweets unprotected, and then
>you won't have to worry about the friend requests one way or another.
>Patrick Molloy
>
>On 1/11/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> > Well, I stand corrected, apparently if you "protect" your tweets,
> > which I do not do, you have to accept follow requests.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > At 06:37 PM 1/10/2012, you wrote:
> >>Then what were the rest of the people in this thread talking about
> >>when they said, for example, that they "use sighted assistance to
> >>accept follower requests?"
> >>
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> >>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> >>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity,
> >>blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> >>-- Kenneth Jernigan
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
> >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:07:29 -0600
> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question
> >>
> >>Twitter is not like Facebook, you don't accept or deny
> >>requests.  Anyone can follow you, and you can follow anyone.
> >>
> >>A number of blind persons use various clients on the iPhone, Many of
> >>us used Qwitter, which is no longer in development, replaced by
> >>quitmonger, dna the cube.  There is also an accessible web site,
> >>easychirp.com.
> >>
> >>Dave
> >>
> >>At 09:58 AM 1/9/2012, you wrote:
> >>I'm curious to find out: How do         people accept foller requests on
> >>Twitter? I'm using JAWsS version 12.
> >>Thanks,
> >>Patrick
> >
> >
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 11 15:26:55 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:26:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
Message-ID: <CAO83KOvgTgRcnXFBK0+dW5M+w_naNVogYVLm3KyZmJp44ipVLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
called it a "Packman."
That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
they're supposed to be assisting.
Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to this?
What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
state VR system?
Thanks, Joshua


From anjelinac26 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 16:02:54 2012
From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:02:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOvgTgRcnXFBK0+dW5M+w_naNVogYVLm3KyZmJp44ipVLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO83KOvgTgRcnXFBK0+dW5M+w_naNVogYVLm3KyZmJp44ipVLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CDD94233B34D45D8AE1D37B2EED5A37A@AnjelinaPC>

Joshua,
I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your rehab 
counselor?
At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think this 
is a matter of ignorance.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
called it a "Packman."
That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
they're supposed to be assisting.
Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to 
this?
What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
state VR system?
Thanks, Joshua

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 11 16:08:05 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:08:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
In-Reply-To: <CDD94233B34D45D8AE1D37B2EED5A37A@AnjelinaPC>
References: <CAO83KOvgTgRcnXFBK0+dW5M+w_naNVogYVLm3KyZmJp44ipVLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CDD94233B34D45D8AE1D37B2EED5A37A@AnjelinaPC>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOuYPjf0HyeLspq_4GBszZzVRNFApMHDy0b9cZpr_YN+dg@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if it was a mistake.
She's new, and she hasn't dealt with blind people before.
This is her first time.
I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, this time, but we need to make
sure people know about the technology, so that Froidian slips like
that don't happen.
The Department of Social Services has taken over VR, for my state,
which complecates the problem, though.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/11/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
> I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your rehab
> counselor?
> At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think this
> is a matter of ignorance.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
> I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
> I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
> called it a "Packman."
> That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
> have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
> they're supposed to be assisting.
> Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
> this?
> What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
> state VR system?
> Thanks, Joshua
>
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From aphelps at BISM.org  Wed Jan 11 16:23:01 2012
From: aphelps at BISM.org (Amy Phelps)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:23:01 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
In-Reply-To: <CDD94233B34D45D8AE1D37B2EED5A37A@AnjelinaPC>
References: <CAO83KOvgTgRcnXFBK0+dW5M+w_naNVogYVLm3KyZmJp44ipVLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CDD94233B34D45D8AE1D37B2EED5A37A@AnjelinaPC>
Message-ID: <2F0E613B2BAE494FB8A70DD032F0F22840F08FF6@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com>

We aren't all perfect and sometimes I call things names that are totally different and have been known to call people I have known for decades the wrong name or forgotten their name completely. I'm just glad you got the pacmate instead of a packman

Thanks!  
Amy C. Phelps  
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From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:03 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

Joshua,
I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your rehab counselor?
At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think this is a matter of ignorance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and called it a "Packman."
That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least, have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that they're supposed to be assisting.
Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to this?
What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the state VR system?
Thanks, Joshua

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 11 16:29:15 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:29:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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LOL!
I haven't got it yet.
If it's over $1000, they have to get a referral.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/11/12, Amy Phelps <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
> We aren't all perfect and sometimes I call things names that are totally
> different and have been known to call people I have known for decades the
> wrong name or forgotten their name completely. I'm just glad you got the
> pacmate instead of a packman
>
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> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Anjelina
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:03 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
> Joshua,
> I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your rehab
> counselor?
> At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think this
> is a matter of ignorance.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
> I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
> I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and called it
> a "Packman."
> That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least, have some
> knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that they're supposed to
> be assisting.
> Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
> this?
> What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the state VR
> system?
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 16:41:50 2012
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:41:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs Membership Call: Washington Seminar/ legislative
	involvement 101
Message-ID: <CAEwUdjNHGm+fjmdR-7_e0APUp=AD9e_Mn4CL56oN8PPAiEweXA@mail.gmail.com>

The National Association of Blind Students Membership Committee Presents:

“Washington Seminar 101”

When: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 7:00 P.M. EST.

Where: Conference line; (712) 775-1200, code 257963

    The purpose of this call is to provide information on the upcoming
Washington Seminar event, to be held February 6-9, 2012. Join Lauren
McLarney, Government
Program Specialist of the National Federation of the Blind, as she
talks about this year’s three key issues and ways that people can get
involved, whether
or not you are able to attend the event. This call promises to have
something for everyone, from Washington Seminar veterans to those
going for the first
time and to those who may know what “Washington” and “Seminar” are,
but have no idea how those two words relate together. We look forward
to seeing you
on the call!


From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Jan 11 16:45:57 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:45:57 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
References: <CAO83KOvgTgRcnXFBK0+dW5M+w_naNVogYVLm3KyZmJp44ipVLQ@mail.gmail.com><CDD94233B34D45D8AE1D37B2EED5A37A@AnjelinaPC>
	<CAO83KOuYPjf0HyeLspq_4GBszZzVRNFApMHDy0b9cZpr_YN+dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F7526D26424B3EB22847F025994C5A@stanford.edu>

Then you need to critique the process, not the person who is a part of it. 
The fact that she did not know what a PacMate was was probably beyond her 
control. No, that is not crazy, especially if she has never worked with 
people who are blind before. The things that are part of our every day 
lives--PacMates, BrailleNotes, embossers, screen readers, etc--are 
completely new to sighted people, and the training programs for councelors 
probably do not have enough information.
    Furthermore, Joshua, you really should consider how you state your 
feedback. I agree that you have many important and valid points, but, if 
phrased in the wrong way, certain people may start remembering your slightly 
harsh comments more than your other qualities.

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness


>I don't know if it was a mistake.
> She's new, and she hasn't dealt with blind people before.
> This is her first time.
> I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, this time, but we need to make
> sure people know about the technology, so that Froidian slips like
> that don't happen.
> The Department of Social Services has taken over VR, for my state,
> which complecates the problem, though.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/11/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your 
>> rehab
>> counselor?
>> At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think 
>> this
>> is a matter of ignorance.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>
>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>> I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>> I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>> I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>> called it a "Packman."
>> That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>> have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>> they're supposed to be assisting.
>> Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
>> this?
>> What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>> state VR system?
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>
>> Anjelina
>>
>>
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From kobycox at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 16:51:10 2012
From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:51:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs Membership Call: Washington Seminar/
	legislativeinvolvement 101
In-Reply-To: <CAEwUdjNHGm+fjmdR-7_e0APUp=AD9e_Mn4CL56oN8PPAiEweXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D3881CFC2BA24BF6AE7A9210B04CBD67@OwnerPC>

Darian,
I plan to participate In this call.
Koby.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Darian Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:42 AM
To: Nfbwvabs at nfbnet.org; Minnesota Students; Kentucky Students;
massabs at nfbnet.org; cabs-talk; aabs-forum at nfbnet.org; New Jersey
Students; mabs; Florida Students; wabs at nfbwis.org; Utah Students;
kansas-blind-students at nfbnet.org; Nebraska; National Association of
Blind Students mailing list; Tennessee Students; Illinois Students;
Nyabs; Oabs at nfbnet.org; New Hampshire Students; Louisiana Students; New
Mexico Association of Blind Students; Gabs at nfbnet.org; Virginia
Students; North Carolina Students; mi-abs at nfbnet.org; List for NABS
State Presidents; cabs at nfbnet.org; Texas Association of Blind Students
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs Membership Call: Washington Seminar/
legislativeinvolvement 101

The National Association of Blind Students Membership Committee
Presents:

“Washington Seminar 101”

When: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 7:00 P.M. EST.

Where: Conference line; (712) 775-1200, code 257963

    The purpose of this call is to provide information on the upcoming
Washington Seminar event, to be held February 6-9, 2012. Join Lauren
McLarney, Government
Program Specialist of the National Federation of the Blind, as she
talks about this year’s three key issues and ways that people can get
involved, whether
or not you are able to attend the event. This call promises to have
something for everyone, from Washington Seminar veterans to those
going for the first
time and to those who may know what “Washington” and “Seminar” are,
but have no idea how those two words relate together. We look forward
to seeing you
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 11 16:51:58 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:51:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
In-Reply-To: <45F7526D26424B3EB22847F025994C5A@stanford.edu>
References: <CAO83KOvgTgRcnXFBK0+dW5M+w_naNVogYVLm3KyZmJp44ipVLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CDD94233B34D45D8AE1D37B2EED5A37A@AnjelinaPC>
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	<45F7526D26424B3EB22847F025994C5A@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOunKVeKXRS_Jgnuo2nwLS9bkq0viDWtG8ZkmgF7VmgHdw@mail.gmail.com>

It would be helpful, if we had people that had more experience with
us, over our DSB, in headquarters.
I take what I can get, and I'm thankful for it, but I was surprised,
when that all went down, on Monday.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Then you need to critique the process, not the person who is a part of it.
> The fact that she did not know what a PacMate was was probably beyond her
> control. No, that is not crazy, especially if she has never worked with
> people who are blind before. The things that are part of our every day
> lives--PacMates, BrailleNotes, embossers, screen readers, etc--are
> completely new to sighted people, and the training programs for councelors
> probably do not have enough information.
>     Furthermore, Joshua, you really should consider how you state your
> feedback. I agree that you have many important and valid points, but, if
> phrased in the wrong way, certain people may start remembering your slightly
> harsh comments more than your other qualities.
>
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
>
>>I don't know if it was a mistake.
>> She's new, and she hasn't dealt with blind people before.
>> This is her first time.
>> I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, this time, but we need to make
>> sure people know about the technology, so that Froidian slips like
>> that don't happen.
>> The Department of Social Services has taken over VR, for my state,
>> which complecates the problem, though.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/11/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your
>>> rehab
>>> counselor?
>>> At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think
>>> this
>>> is a matter of ignorance.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>
>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>> I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>> I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>>> I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>> called it a "Packman."
>>> That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>> have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>> they're supposed to be assisting.
>>> Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
>>> this?
>>> What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>> state VR system?
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>
>>>
>>> Anjelina
>>>
>>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 17:20:58 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:20:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOunKVeKXRS_Jgnuo2nwLS9bkq0viDWtG8ZkmgF7VmgHdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO83KOvgTgRcnXFBK0+dW5M+w_naNVogYVLm3KyZmJp44ipVLQ@mail.gmail.com><CDD94233B34D45D8AE1D37B2EED5A37A@AnjelinaPC><CAO83KOuYPjf0HyeLspq_4GBszZzVRNFApMHDy0b9cZpr_YN+dg@mail.gmail.com><45F7526D26424B3EB22847F025994C5A@stanford.edu>
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Joshua,
No one gets everything they want or need. I recommend getting family help to 
purchase products or if needed turn to a charity such as lions clubs.
Its my experience that the VR system isn't too helpful. I wanted them to 
authorize computer training from an outside service provider they often use. 
Well, months later in january, I still have no training. Once authorization 
is submitted, I get only eight hours. That isn't much, but hopefully will 
get me started with the applications I need to learn.

As far as people with more experience, there are tons; just ask around in 
nfb. Fred Schroeder is one but he is in VA, but he would travel over there 
as an advocate if something serious happens. Also, contacting any number of 
civil right nonprofits to be an advocate may help as well.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:51 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

It would be helpful, if we had people that had more experience with
us, over our DSB, in headquarters.
I take what I can get, and I'm thankful for it, but I was surprised,
when that all went down, on Monday.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Then you need to critique the process, not the person who is a part of it.
> The fact that she did not know what a PacMate was was probably beyond her
> control. No, that is not crazy, especially if she has never worked with
> people who are blind before. The things that are part of our every day
> lives--PacMates, BrailleNotes, embossers, screen readers, etc--are
> completely new to sighted people, and the training programs for councelors
> probably do not have enough information.
>     Furthermore, Joshua, you really should consider how you state your
> feedback. I agree that you have many important and valid points, but, if
> phrased in the wrong way, certain people may start remembering your 
> slightly
> harsh comments more than your other qualities.
>
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
>
>>I don't know if it was a mistake.
>> She's new, and she hasn't dealt with blind people before.
>> This is her first time.
>> I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, this time, but we need to make
>> sure people know about the technology, so that Froidian slips like
>> that don't happen.
>> The Department of Social Services has taken over VR, for my state,
>> which complecates the problem, though.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/11/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your
>>> rehab
>>> counselor?
>>> At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think
>>> this
>>> is a matter of ignorance.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>
>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>> I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>> I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab 
>>> office.
>>> I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>> called it a "Packman."
>>> That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>> have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>> they're supposed to be assisting.
>>> Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
>>> this?
>>> What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>> state VR system?
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Anjelina
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 17:22:41 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:22:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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Joshua,
Did they say when they would order your pacmate? Perhaps, its pending 
approval.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:29 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

LOL!
I haven't got it yet.
If it's over $1000, they have to get a referral.
Blessings, Joshua

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> We aren't all perfect and sometimes I call things names that are totally
> different and have been known to call people I have known for decades the
> wrong name or forgotten their name completely. I'm just glad you got the
> pacmate instead of a packman
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
> Joshua,
> I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your 
> rehab
> counselor?
> At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think 
> this
> is a matter of ignorance.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
> I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
> I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and called 
> it
> a "Packman."
> That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least, have 
> some
> knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that they're supposed to
> be assisting.
> Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
> this?
> What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the state VR
> system?
> Thanks, Joshua
>
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 18:56:15 2012
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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:56:15 -0800
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Good morning, List,

I fervently disagree! State agencies are perceived to be so sucky 
because consumers like you people turn to private entities for 
funding purposes so, the public entities aren't as much in demand and 
therefore, don't see how improvement and becoming better.
People usually don't share for the hell of it. You gotta take these 
public, agencies up on the law of helping US! That's why they exist 
in the first place.
At 09:20 AM 1/11/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>Joshua,
>No one gets everything they want or need. I recommend getting family 
>help to purchase products or if needed turn to a charity such as lions clubs.
>Its my experience that the VR system isn't too helpful. I wanted 
>them to authorize computer training from an outside service provider 
>they often use. Well, months later in january, I still have no 
>training. Once authorization is submitted, I get only eight hours. 
>That isn't much, but hopefully will get me started with the 
>applications I need to learn.
>
>As far as people with more experience, there are tons; just ask 
>around in nfb. Fred Schroeder is one but he is in VA, but he would 
>travel over there as an advocate if something serious happens. Also, 
>contacting any number of civil right nonprofits to be an advocate 
>may help as well.
>Ashley
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:51 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
>It would be helpful, if we had people that had more experience with
>us, over our DSB, in headquarters.
>I take what I can get, and I'm thankful for it, but I was surprised,
>when that all went down, on Monday.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 1/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>Then you need to critique the process, not the person who is a part of it.
>>The fact that she did not know what a PacMate was was probably beyond her
>>control. No, that is not crazy, especially if she has never worked with
>>people who are blind before. The things that are part of our every day
>>lives--PacMates, BrailleNotes, embossers, screen readers, etc--are
>>completely new to sighted people, and the training programs for councelors
>>probably do not have enough information.
>>     Furthermore, Joshua, you really should consider how you state your
>>feedback. I agree that you have many important and valid points, but, if
>>phrased in the wrong way, certain people may start remembering your slightly
>>harsh comments more than your other qualities.
>>
>>Nicole
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:08 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>
>>
>>>I don't know if it was a mistake.
>>>She's new, and she hasn't dealt with blind people before.
>>>This is her first time.
>>>I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, this time, but we need to make
>>>sure people know about the technology, so that Froidian slips like
>>>that don't happen.
>>>The Department of Social Services has taken over VR, for my state,
>>>which complecates the problem, though.
>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>On 1/11/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Joshua,
>>>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your
>>>>rehab
>>>>counselor?
>>>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think
>>>>this
>>>>is a matter of ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Joshua Lester
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>>
>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>>>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>>>called it a "Packman."
>>>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
>>>>this?
>>>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>>>state VR system?
>>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 19:06:49 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:06:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
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Hi,
Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on audio 
rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use braille in 
college.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


>I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
> I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
> The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order to get
> my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I know, 6
> months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
> This is crazy!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Um...
>>
>> (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
>> offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
>> had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
>> Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
>> 2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
>> took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
>> can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>>
>> Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
>> The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
>> be
>> able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
>> The bad news, is as follows.
>> #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
>> #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
>> #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
>> Music
>> Appreciation, but there's one problem!
>> It's another compressed video class!
>> #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
>> They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
>> other
>> Science class, in the Fall.
>> That's a community college for you!
>> Oh well!
>> At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
>> Blessings, Joshua
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 19:10:10 2012
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:10:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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Joshua,

What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a rule 
are way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate which, 
in my opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a wrong 
term, particularly about something with which you have ZERO, familiarity?
PLEASE!
centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>Joshua,
>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by 
>your rehab counselor?
>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't 
>think this is a matter of ignorance.
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>called it a "Packman."
>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>they're supposed to be assisting.
>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to this?
>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>state VR system?
>Thanks, Joshua
>
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 19:11:58 2012
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Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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Hi, Joshua,

Seems, you might share some of those blessings with folks who are 
trying to serve your ass.At 08:08 AM 1/11/2012, Joshua Lester wrote:
>I don't know if it was a mistake.
>She's new, and she hasn't dealt with blind people before.
>This is her first time.
>I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, this time, but we need to make
>sure people know about the technology, so that Froidian slips like
>that don't happen.
>The Department of Social Services has taken over VR, for my state,
>which complecates the problem, though.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 1/11/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Joshua,
> > I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your rehab
> > counselor?
> > At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't 
> think this
> > is a matter of ignorance.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joshua Lester
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
> >
> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> > I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
> > I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
> > I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
> > called it a "Packman."
> > That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
> > have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
> > they're supposed to be assisting.
> > Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
> > this?
> > What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
> > state VR system?
> > Thanks, Joshua
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> > Anjelina
> >
> >
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 19:15:01 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:15:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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Hi,
I don't mean to so9und like a smart alic, but the rehab counselor is there 
to help students get through school, but altumitly it is the students 
responsibility I feel to voice what they need as far as services and 
technology. It is no need to make a big deal over a mess up on words because 
you as the student should have done your research and know what piece of 
technology you would be interested in trying out or using.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness


> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
> I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
> I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
> called it a "Packman."
> That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
> have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
> they're supposed to be assisting.
> Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to 
> this?
> What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
> state VR system?
> Thanks, Joshua
>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 19:17:38 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:17:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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I don't mean no disrespect, but why is it so important for you to make such 
a big deal oveer a new counselor messing up on a word? I mean you are the 
one who should be taking the lead in your college experience and your 
counselor is ju7st there if you get stuck and to help you along the way. We 
are adults so we should not count on others to hold our hand the entire way 
through our lives
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness


>I don't know if it was a mistake.
> She's new, and she hasn't dealt with blind people before.
> This is her first time.
> I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, this time, but we need to make
> sure people know about the technology, so that Froidian slips like
> that don't happen.
> The Department of Social Services has taken over VR, for my state,
> which complecates the problem, though.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/11/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your 
>> rehab
>> counselor?
>> At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think 
>> this
>> is a matter of ignorance.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>
>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>> I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>> I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>> I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>> called it a "Packman."
>> That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>> have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>> they're supposed to be assisting.
>> Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
>> this?
>> What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>> state VR system?
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
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>>
>> Anjelina
>>
>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 19:20:56 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:20:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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I think we need to stop complaining about the little things and take what we 
can get at the moment.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carly" <carlymih at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness


>
> Joshua,
>
> What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a rule are 
> way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate which, in my 
> opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
> Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a wrong term, 
> particularly about something with which you have ZERO, familiarity?
> PLEASE!
> centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>Joshua,
>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your 
>>rehab counselor?
>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think 
>>this is a matter of ignorance.
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>
>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>called it a "Packman."
>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to 
>>this?
>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>state VR system?
>>Thanks, Joshua
>>
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>>
>>Anjelina
>>
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From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 11 19:21:14 2012
From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:21:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
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To me, the ideal way would be to have both.  I would want an audio one that 
would be on an sd card and the like, and another file on my apex for quick 
searches in class or other activities.  Also to me, having it in braille, 
greatly assist me in my spelling looking better than it might otherwise.  I 
know, it's nice to dream.

Loren



-----Original Message----- 
From: Gloria G
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Hi,
Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on audio
rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use braille in
college.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


>I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
> I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
> The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order to get
> my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I know, 6
> months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
> This is crazy!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Um...
>>
>> (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
>> offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
>> had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
>> Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
>> 2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
>> took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
>> can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>>
>> Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
>> The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
>> be
>> able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
>> The bad news, is as follows.
>> #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
>> #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
>> #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
>> Music
>> Appreciation, but there's one problem!
>> It's another compressed video class!
>> #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
>> They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
>> other
>> Science class, in the Fall.
>> That's a community college for you!
>> Oh well!
>> At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 19:23:16 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:23:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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I came to this site because I thought it was a place where students can get 
help from other experienced students on accomidations or other things 
regarding college and possibly the work world. This cite has been a 
disapointment because I only hear people ganging up and complaing about 
others who have no control of what is going on. I don't think this cite and 
its users would want to be known as complainers. Please find some 
possitivity in the world.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carly" <carlymih at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness


>
> Joshua,
>
> What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a rule are 
> way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate which, in my 
> opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
> Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a wrong term, 
> particularly about something with which you have ZERO, familiarity?
> PLEASE!
> centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>Joshua,
>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your 
>>rehab counselor?
>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think 
>>this is a matter of ignorance.
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>
>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>called it a "Packman."
>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to 
>>this?
>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>state VR system?
>>Thanks, Joshua
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
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>>
>>Anjelina
>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 19:23:54 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:23:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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Stop complaining! My goodness!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carly" <carlymih at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness


>
>
> Hi, Joshua,
>
> Seems, you might share some of those blessings with folks who are trying 
> to serve your ass.At 08:08 AM 1/11/2012, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>I don't know if it was a mistake.
>>She's new, and she hasn't dealt with blind people before.
>>This is her first time.
>>I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, this time, but we need to make
>>sure people know about the technology, so that Froidian slips like
>>that don't happen.
>>The Department of Social Services has taken over VR, for my state,
>>which complecates the problem, though.
>>Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>On 1/11/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Joshua,
>> > I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your 
>> > rehab
>> > counselor?
>> > At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't
>> think this
>> > is a matter of ignorance.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Joshua Lester
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>> >
>> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>> > I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>> > I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab 
>> > office.
>> > I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>> > called it a "Packman."
>> > That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>> > have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>> > they're supposed to be assisting.
>> > Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards 
>> > to
>> > this?
>> > What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>> > state VR system?
>> > Thanks, Joshua
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nabs-l mailing list
>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > nabs-l:
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>> >
>> >
>> > Anjelina
>> >
>> >
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From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 19:25:25 2012
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:25:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
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Why are you not taking music appreciation? When I took it (I also took a 
philosophy class) I found the Music appreciation to be much easier.
I wonder why the DSB needs to know 6 months ahead of time? THe only reason I 
can think of is that they don't have a Braille embosser and they're sending 
the books away to a Braille production company.
I hope you get a pac mate. Either that or a netbook with a Bralle display 
(which is cheaper).

Hope Paulos
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From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


> Hi,
> Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on audio 
> rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use braille in 
> college.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
>
>>I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
>> I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
>> The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order to get
>> my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I know, 6
>> months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
>> This is crazy!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Um...
>>>
>>> (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
>>> offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
>>> had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
>>> Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
>>> 2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
>>> took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
>>> can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>> nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>>>
>>> Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
>>> The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
>>> be
>>> able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
>>> The bad news, is as follows.
>>> #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
>>> #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
>>> #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
>>> Music
>>> Appreciation, but there's one problem!
>>> It's another compressed video class!
>>> #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
>>> They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
>>> other
>>> Science class, in the Fall.
>>> That's a community college for you!
>>> Oh well!
>>> At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
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From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 11 19:25:35 2012
From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:25:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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get what you need from whereever you can obtain it.  This would include the 
willingness to take out loans.  Make the state agency do their job.  And 
also tap in to other sources.  As long as it is legal and moral, who cares 
where the funding comes from?

Loren



-----Original Message----- 
From: Carly
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness


Good morning, List,

I fervently disagree! State agencies are perceived to be so sucky
because consumers like you people turn to private entities for
funding purposes so, the public entities aren't as much in demand and
therefore, don't see how improvement and becoming better.
People usually don't share for the hell of it. You gotta take these
public, agencies up on the law of helping US! That's why they exist
in the first place.
At 09:20 AM 1/11/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>Joshua,
>No one gets everything they want or need. I recommend getting family help 
>to purchase products or if needed turn to a charity such as lions clubs.
>Its my experience that the VR system isn't too helpful. I wanted them to 
>authorize computer training from an outside service provider they often 
>use. Well, months later in january, I still have no training. Once 
>authorization is submitted, I get only eight hours. That isn't much, but 
>hopefully will get me started with the applications I need to learn.
>
>As far as people with more experience, there are tons; just ask around in 
>nfb. Fred Schroeder is one but he is in VA, but he would travel over there 
>as an advocate if something serious happens. Also, contacting any number of 
>civil right nonprofits to be an advocate may help as well.
>Ashley
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:51 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
>It would be helpful, if we had people that had more experience with
>us, over our DSB, in headquarters.
>I take what I can get, and I'm thankful for it, but I was surprised,
>when that all went down, on Monday.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 1/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>Then you need to critique the process, not the person who is a part of it.
>>The fact that she did not know what a PacMate was was probably beyond her
>>control. No, that is not crazy, especially if she has never worked with
>>people who are blind before. The things that are part of our every day
>>lives--PacMates, BrailleNotes, embossers, screen readers, etc--are
>>completely new to sighted people, and the training programs for councelors
>>probably do not have enough information.
>>     Furthermore, Joshua, you really should consider how you state your
>>feedback. I agree that you have many important and valid points, but, if
>>phrased in the wrong way, certain people may start remembering your 
>>slightly
>>harsh comments more than your other qualities.
>>
>>Nicole
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:08 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>
>>
>>>I don't know if it was a mistake.
>>>She's new, and she hasn't dealt with blind people before.
>>>This is her first time.
>>>I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, this time, but we need to make
>>>sure people know about the technology, so that Froidian slips like
>>>that don't happen.
>>>The Department of Social Services has taken over VR, for my state,
>>>which complecates the problem, though.
>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>On 1/11/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Joshua,
>>>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your
>>>>rehab
>>>>counselor?
>>>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think
>>>>this
>>>>is a matter of ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Joshua Lester
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>>
>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab 
>>>>office.
>>>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>>>called it a "Packman."
>>>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
>>>>this?
>>>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>>>state VR system?
>>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>nabs-l mailing list
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>>>>
>>>>Anjelina
>>>>
>>>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 19:26:10 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:26:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
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you can also get books and put them on your computer in word or pdf files 
and you can search quick and also work on your spelling. I am not against 
braille by no means I myself am a braille reader, but I am just suggesting a 
way that won't break your back or arms by carrying braille books in your 
back pack.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


> To me, the ideal way would be to have both.  I would want an audio one 
> that would be on an sd card and the like, and another file on my apex for 
> quick searches in class or other activities.  Also to me, having it in 
> braille, greatly assist me in my spelling looking better than it might 
> otherwise.  I know, it's nice to dream.
>
> Loren
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Gloria G
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:06 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
> Hi,
> Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on audio
> rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use braille in
> college.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
>
>>I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
>> I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
>> The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order to get
>> my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I know, 6
>> months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
>> This is crazy!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Um...
>>>
>>> (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
>>> offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
>>> had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
>>> Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
>>> 2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
>>> took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
>>> can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>> nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>>>
>>> Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
>>> The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
>>> be
>>> able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
>>> The bad news, is as follows.
>>> #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
>>> #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
>>> #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
>>> Music
>>> Appreciation, but there's one problem!
>>> It's another compressed video class!
>>> #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
>>> They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
>>> other
>>> Science class, in the Fall.
>>> That's a community college for you!
>>> Oh well!
>>> At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
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From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 19:28:30 2012
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:28:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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This was probably just an honest mistake from your counselor. There are many 
pieces of assistive technology out there and a lot to remember for those 
people who don't even use it.  My  former vr counselor couldn't remember the 
name for the vr stream. She called it a stream reader. Something as small as 
this mistake should be overlooked. I don't think she meant anything by it.

Just my opinion.

Hope
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carly" <carlymih at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness


>
> Joshua,
>
> What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a rule are 
> way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate which, in my 
> opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
> Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a wrong term, 
> particularly about something with which you have ZERO, familiarity?
> PLEASE!
> centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>Joshua,
>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your 
>>rehab counselor?
>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think 
>>this is a matter of ignorance.
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>
>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>called it a "Packman."
>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to 
>>this?
>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>state VR system?
>>Thanks, Joshua
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
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>>
>>Anjelina
>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 19:32:20 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:32:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
References: <CAO83KOvgTgRcnXFBK0+dW5M+w_naNVogYVLm3KyZmJp44ipVLQ@mail.gmail.com><CDD94233B34D45D8AE1D37B2EED5A37A@AnjelinaPC><7.0.1.0.2.20120111110236.01d58a20@earthlink.net>
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can we please move on and stop feeding into the complants
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness


> This was probably just an honest mistake from your counselor. There are 
> many pieces of assistive technology out there and a lot to remember for 
> those people who don't even use it.  My  former vr counselor couldn't 
> remember the name for the vr stream. She called it a stream reader. 
> Something as small as this mistake should be overlooked. I don't think she 
> meant anything by it.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Hope
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Carly" <carlymih at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
>
>>
>> Joshua,
>>
>> What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a rule are 
>> way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate which, in my 
>> opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
>> Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a wrong term, 
>> particularly about something with which you have ZERO, familiarity?
>> PLEASE!
>> centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>>Joshua,
>>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your 
>>>rehab counselor?
>>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think 
>>>this is a matter of ignorance.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>
>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>>called it a "Packman."
>>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to 
>>>this?
>>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>>state VR system?
>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 20:01:23 2012
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:01:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
In-Reply-To: <98E23DC437D84395AAA13F6E14B44DAD@Gloria>
References: <4f0cda01.0849e00a.5e0b.0074@mx.google.com>
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Hi, If you have your textbook in audio,  format you can crank the 
speed up and, like our sighted, counterparts, do what they seem to 
do, and effectively, skim the text.

At 11:06 AM 1/11/2012, Gloria G wrote:
>Hi,
>Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on 
>audio rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use 
>braille in college.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" 
><jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
>
>>I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
>>I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
>>The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order to get
>>my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I know, 6
>>months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
>>This is crazy!
>>Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Um...
>>>
>>>(1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
>>>offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
>>>had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
>>>Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
>>>2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
>>>took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
>>>can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>>nuisance."
>>>-- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>>>
>>>Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
>>>The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
>>>be
>>>able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
>>>The bad news, is as follows.
>>>#1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
>>>#2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
>>>#3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
>>>Music
>>>Appreciation, but there's one problem!
>>>It's another compressed video class!
>>>#4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
>>>They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
>>>other
>>>Science class, in the Fall.
>>>That's a community college for you!
>>>Oh well!
>>>At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 11 20:01:33 2012
From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:01:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
In-Reply-To: <1EB3E32A8B8942819DBC7FA2388835D3@Gloria>
References: <4f0cda01.0849e00a.5e0b.0074@mx.google.com><CAO83KOs2tM9u7j8k+zx1U3wFWRMpw_H5G=5perhq9ixBiX+o8w@mail.gmail.com><98E23DC437D84395AAA13F6E14B44DAD@Gloria><E54C8BB84CFB43B3B639463E3CD32717@LorenPC>
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That is wy I prefer the electronic text on my apex.  Thanks.

Loren


-----Original Message----- 
From: Gloria G
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:26 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

you can also get books and put them on your computer in word or pdf files
and you can search quick and also work on your spelling. I am not against
braille by no means I myself am a braille reader, but I am just suggesting a
way that won't break your back or arms by carrying braille books in your
back pack.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


> To me, the ideal way would be to have both.  I would want an audio one 
> that would be on an sd card and the like, and another file on my apex for 
> quick searches in class or other activities.  Also to me, having it in 
> braille, greatly assist me in my spelling looking better than it might 
> otherwise.  I know, it's nice to dream.
>
> Loren
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Gloria G
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:06 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
> Hi,
> Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on audio
> rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use braille in
> college.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
>
>>I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
>> I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
>> The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order to get
>> my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I know, 6
>> months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
>> This is crazy!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Um...
>>>
>>> (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
>>> offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
>>> had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
>>> Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
>>> 2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
>>> took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
>>> can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>> nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>>>
>>> Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
>>> The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
>>> be
>>> able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
>>> The bad news, is as follows.
>>> #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
>>> #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
>>> #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
>>> Music
>>> Appreciation, but there's one problem!
>>> It's another compressed video class!
>>> #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
>>> They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
>>> other
>>> Science class, in the Fall.
>>> That's a community college for you!
>>> Oh well!
>>> At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From leanicole1988 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 21:33:40 2012
From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:33:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
In-Reply-To: <D2300A1512114E0D8FAE13DF1145C338@Gloria>
References: <CAO83KOvgTgRcnXFBK0+dW5M+w_naNVogYVLm3KyZmJp44ipVLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CDD94233B34D45D8AE1D37B2EED5A37A@AnjelinaPC>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20120111110236.01d58a20@earthlink.net>
	<D596F6363B10499CB06A30AF38F275F6@Espy>
	<D2300A1512114E0D8FAE13DF1145C338@Gloria>
Message-ID: <CAD0KW=Y4d7MPOJwPN7SUkiKHwEy7yHYXwKkPoYa+mZSa+V78=A@mail.gmail.com>

josh i can see if your counsular bot your a different item than what
you guys agreed to because of the lack of knowledge, but slipping and
calling it some other name is normal to all people. And everyone has
to start someplace, not everyone is going to come out of the box ready
to go knowing everything. I am sure you will understand this if or
when you get a job oneday yourself.

and I think that it is a good idea to keep things respectful, in
cluding the language, the manner in wich we speak to eachother and
about other people. We are not the only one's who gets these emails.
Many people such as, parents, rehab counsulars, teachers and so many
other people could be signed up on this list.

Gloria says in one of her emails that is a great example of this.

beginning of email

I came to this site because I thought it was a place where students
can get help from other experienced students on accomidations or other
things regarding college and possibly the work world. This cite has
been a disapointment because I only hear people ganging up and
complaing about others who have no control of what is going on. I
don't think this cite and its users would want to be known as
complainers. Please find some possitivity in the world.

End of email

Hope gives some good opinions.

Beginning of email

This was probably just an honest mistake from your counselor. There
are many pieces of assistive technology out there and a lot to
remember for those people who don't even use it.  My  former vr
counselor couldn't remember the name for the vr stream. She called it
a stream reader. Something as small as this mistake should be
overlooked. I don't think she meant anything by it.

End of email

I personally avoid any email thread for the most part with particular
peoples names in them because of their carictor and bad behavior and
habbits.
This is something that I hope will change and will be taken care of.


On 1/11/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> can we please move on and stop feeding into the complants
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
>
>> This was probably just an honest mistake from your counselor. There are
>> many pieces of assistive technology out there and a lot to remember for
>> those people who don't even use it.  My  former vr counselor couldn't
>> remember the name for the vr stream. She called it a stream reader.
>> Something as small as this mistake should be overlooked. I don't think she
>>
>> meant anything by it.
>>
>> Just my opinion.
>>
>> Hope
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carly" <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Joshua,
>>>
>>> What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a rule are
>>> way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate which, in my
>>> opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
>>> Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a wrong term,
>>>
>>> particularly about something with which you have ZERO, familiarity?
>>> PLEASE!
>>> centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>>>Joshua,
>>>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your
>>>>rehab counselor?
>>>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think
>>>>this is a matter of ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>>
>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>>>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>>>called it a "Packman."
>>>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
>>>>this?
>>>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>>>state VR system?
>>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>nabs-l mailing list
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>>>>
>>>>Anjelina
>>>>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 11 21:57:00 2012
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:57:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOunKVeKXRS_Jgnuo2nwLS9bkq0viDWtG8ZkmgF7VmgHdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO83KOvgTgRcnXFBK0+dW5M+w_naNVogYVLm3KyZmJp44ipVLQ@mail.gmail.com><CDD94233B34D45D8AE1D37B2EED5A37A@AnjelinaPC><CAO83KOuYPjf0HyeLspq_4GBszZzVRNFApMHDy0b9cZpr_YN+dg@mail.gmail.com><45F7526D26424B3EB22847F025994C5A@stanford.edu>
	<CAO83KOunKVeKXRS_Jgnuo2nwLS9bkq0viDWtG8ZkmgF7VmgHdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-DS14D13E5CC4FDD5CC57A435BA9E0@phx.gbl>

Hello Joshua,

On one hand, I hear that you are grateful for the services you receive, 
while on the other hand I hear you complain about the services you do not 
receive. If you are grateful for the services you do receive, then why does 
it seem as though all you ever do is complain about the services you do not 
receive?

If the VR agency is in the process of approving the purchase of a PacMate 
for you, then I do not understand the need to get so caught up in what only 
seems to be a poor word choice on the part of your counselor. We are all 
human, and we all make mistakes. I think each and every member of this list 
could share a bad experience working with a rehab counselor, but I am not 
quite sure how complaining about it all the time does much good.

Just my thoughts for what they are worth.

Elizabeth
 



From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 22:41:47 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:41:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
In-Reply-To: <CAD0KW=Y4d7MPOJwPN7SUkiKHwEy7yHYXwKkPoYa+mZSa+V78=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO83KOvgTgRcnXFBK0+dW5M+w_naNVogYVLm3KyZmJp44ipVLQ@mail.gmail.com><CDD94233B34D45D8AE1D37B2EED5A37A@AnjelinaPC><7.0.1.0.2.20120111110236.01d58a20@earthlink.net><D596F6363B10499CB06A30AF38F275F6@Espy><D2300A1512114E0D8FAE13DF1145C338@Gloria>
	<CAD0KW=Y4d7MPOJwPN7SUkiKHwEy7yHYXwKkPoYa+mZSa+V78=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEB7FAFD0A54098B94A163379BA8663@OwnerPC>

Lea,
Sometimes people feel they need to complain and vent to other blind people 
who understand.
I think it’s a fair expectation for a rehab counselor that works with blind 
clients full time to know a little bit about assistive technology.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Lea williams
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:33 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

josh i can see if your counsular bot your a different item than what
you guys agreed to because of the lack of knowledge, but slipping and
calling it some other name is normal to all people. And everyone has
to start someplace, not everyone is going to come out of the box ready
to go knowing everything. I am sure you will understand this if or
when you get a job oneday yourself.

and I think that it is a good idea to keep things respectful, in
cluding the language, the manner in wich we speak to eachother and
about other people. We are not the only one's who gets these emails.
Many people such as, parents, rehab counsulars, teachers and so many
other people could be signed up on this list.

Gloria says in one of her emails that is a great example of this.

beginning of email

I came to this site because I thought it was a place where students
can get help from other experienced students on accomidations or other
things regarding college and possibly the work world. This cite has
been a disapointment because I only hear people ganging up and
complaing about others who have no control of what is going on. I
don't think this cite and its users would want to be known as
complainers. Please find some possitivity in the world.

End of email

Hope gives some good opinions.

Beginning of email

This was probably just an honest mistake from your counselor. There
are many pieces of assistive technology out there and a lot to
remember for those people who don't even use it.  My  former vr
counselor couldn't remember the name for the vr stream. She called it
a stream reader. Something as small as this mistake should be
overlooked. I don't think she meant anything by it.

End of email

I personally avoid any email thread for the most part with particular
peoples names in them because of their carictor and bad behavior and
habbits.
This is something that I hope will change and will be taken care of.


On 1/11/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> can we please move on and stop feeding into the complants
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
>
>> This was probably just an honest mistake from your counselor. There are
>> many pieces of assistive technology out there and a lot to remember for
>> those people who don't even use it.  My  former vr counselor couldn't
>> remember the name for the vr stream. She called it a stream reader.
>> Something as small as this mistake should be overlooked. I don't think 
>> she
>>
>> meant anything by it.
>>
>> Just my opinion.
>>
>> Hope
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carly" <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>> list"
>>
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Joshua,
>>>
>>> What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a rule are
>>> way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate which, in my
>>> opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
>>> Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a wrong 
>>> term,
>>>
>>> particularly about something with which you have ZERO, familiarity?
>>> PLEASE!
>>> centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>>>Joshua,
>>>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your
>>>>rehab counselor?
>>>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think
>>>>this is a matter of ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>>
>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab 
>>>>office.
>>>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>>>called it a "Packman."
>>>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
>>>>this?
>>>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>>>state VR system?
>>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
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From aphelps at BISM.org  Wed Jan 11 22:50:56 2012
From: aphelps at BISM.org (Amy Phelps)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:50:56 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Why are summer programs important
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I have a couple of question that I am sure some of you will be more than willing to help answer and I hope it isn't considered off topic. We are working on some grants to help fund our two summer programs for middle school students and high school students and the people who review our grant application wants to know why is a program like this needed, what is the long term impact, what makes it different from what students are already receiving in their school. So, my question to you is, Why do you think these summer programs are important? If you were to speak directly to a funding source, what would you say to them to let them know the value of our programs and what separates our programs from the rest and the training you did or did not receive?  I am not wanting to speak on behalf of our three NFB training centers but I'm sure they could always use some fresh language when working with grant makers. I will share your responses with Brent, Charlene, and Eric,

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 23:01:23 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:01:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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that is true. We search for funding to get what we need. Technology helps 
level the playing field, but its expensive.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Loren Wakefield
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

get what you need from whereever you can obtain it.  This would include the
willingness to take out loans.  Make the state agency do their job.  And
also tap in to other sources.  As long as it is legal and moral, who cares
where the funding comes from?

Loren



-----Original Message----- 
From: Carly
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National
Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness


Good morning, List,

I fervently disagree! State agencies are perceived to be so sucky
because consumers like you people turn to private entities for
funding purposes so, the public entities aren't as much in demand and
therefore, don't see how improvement and becoming better.
People usually don't share for the hell of it. You gotta take these
public, agencies up on the law of helping US! That's why they exist
in the first place.
At 09:20 AM 1/11/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>Joshua,
>No one gets everything they want or need. I recommend getting family help 
>to purchase products or if needed turn to a charity such as lions clubs.
>Its my experience that the VR system isn't too helpful. I wanted them to 
>authorize computer training from an outside service provider they often 
>use. Well, months later in january, I still have no training. Once 
>authorization is submitted, I get only eight hours. That isn't much, but 
>hopefully will get me started with the applications I need to learn.
>
>As far as people with more experience, there are tons; just ask around in 
>nfb. Fred Schroeder is one but he is in VA, but he would travel over there 
>as an advocate if something serious happens. Also, contacting any number of 
>civil right nonprofits to be an advocate may help as well.
>Ashley
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:51 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
>It would be helpful, if we had people that had more experience with
>us, over our DSB, in headquarters.
>I take what I can get, and I'm thankful for it, but I was surprised,
>when that all went down, on Monday.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 1/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>Then you need to critique the process, not the person who is a part of it.
>>The fact that she did not know what a PacMate was was probably beyond her
>>control. No, that is not crazy, especially if she has never worked with
>>people who are blind before. The things that are part of our every day
>>lives--PacMates, BrailleNotes, embossers, screen readers, etc--are
>>completely new to sighted people, and the training programs for councelors
>>probably do not have enough information.
>>     Furthermore, Joshua, you really should consider how you state your
>>feedback. I agree that you have many important and valid points, but, if
>>phrased in the wrong way, certain people may start remembering your 
>>slightly
>>harsh comments more than your other qualities.
>>
>>Nicole
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:08 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>
>>
>>>I don't know if it was a mistake.
>>>She's new, and she hasn't dealt with blind people before.
>>>This is her first time.
>>>I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, this time, but we need to make
>>>sure people know about the technology, so that Froidian slips like
>>>that don't happen.
>>>The Department of Social Services has taken over VR, for my state,
>>>which complecates the problem, though.
>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>On 1/11/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Joshua,
>>>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your
>>>>rehab
>>>>counselor?
>>>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think
>>>>this
>>>>is a matter of ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Joshua Lester
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>>
>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab 
>>>>office.
>>>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>>>called it a "Packman."
>>>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
>>>>this?
>>>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>>>state VR system?
>>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>Anjelina
>>>>
>>>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 23:04:27 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:04:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
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I agree Lauren. I would like a braille file on my braille note; that way we 
can search it and reference it in class like everyone else. Professors say 
look at second paragraph page 33 and we don't see that; we just listen or if 
I'm lucky a classmate summarizes what they've read before we proceed with 
class discussion.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Loren Wakefield
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:21 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

To me, the ideal way would be to have both.  I would want an audio one that
would be on an sd card and the like, and another file on my apex for quick
searches in class or other activities.  Also to me, having it in braille,
greatly assist me in my spelling looking better than it might otherwise.  I
know, it's nice to dream.

Loren



-----Original Message----- 
From: Gloria G
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Hi,
Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on audio
rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use braille in
college.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


>I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
> I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
> The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order to get
> my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I know, 6
> months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
> This is crazy!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Um...
>>
>> (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
>> offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
>> had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
>> Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
>> 2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
>> took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
>> can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>>
>> Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
>> The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
>> be
>> able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
>> The bad news, is as follows.
>> #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
>> #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
>> #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
>> Music
>> Appreciation, but there's one problem!
>> It's another compressed video class!
>> #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
>> They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
>> other
>> Science class, in the Fall.
>> That's a community college for you!
>> Oh well!
>> At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jan 11 23:19:51 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:19:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: products for sale
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>We have been asked to circulate the following:




>
>Here are some great deals.
>
>These items are used:
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>includes shipping
>
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>
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>
>These items are new:
>1     Pebble hand-held video magnifier 3.5" screen new      $385.00 
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>
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>
>1     Zoomtext Magnifier Reader version 10, never used      $530.00 
>includes shipping
>
>1              Victor Reader Stream,  never 
>used                          $350.00 includes shipping
>
>Please let me know if you can help me by posting these items for 
>sale or if you can recommend anybody for me.
>
>I hope you have a great new year!
>
>Thank you for your support,
>
>Pat Fischer
>CEO
>
>Corporate Office
>Accessibility dot Net, Inc.
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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 05:53:55 2012
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:53:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Attention Musicians: NABS Needs You!
Message-ID: <001101ccd0ee$92f81ef0$b8e85cd0$@com>

Good evening,

 

On Monday February 6 NABS will be hosting a fundraiser and social event as
part of the NFB's Washington Seminar. More details on the event will be
circulated shortly, but as part of the nights festivities, we intend to
provide our guests with live music performed by talented students from
across the country.

 

If you, or anybody you know, will be attending Washington Seminar and would
like to be considered to play a set at our fundraiser, we want to hear from
you!

 

We plan on providing a PA and Yamaha Motif ES8 digital piano for those who
want to use it. IF somebody needs access to an acoustic guitar, that can be
arranged as well.

 

Sets will likely be 15 to 20 minutes long, and will be determined by our
planning committee based on the number of performers we have.

 

If you are interested in playing, please send an mp3 or other audio file, or
a link to one, to me at smwhalenpsp at gmail.com. If you need to send something
on physical media, please contact me to arrange mailing. My phone number is
608 332-4147.

 

Submissions must be received by Monday, January 23. Once we have demos from
interested performers, the committee will select the best to play at the
event.

 

We cannot offer to pay musicians for their efforts, but it promises to be a
fun and well-attended event, and, if an artist has music to sell, he or she
is free to do so at the event.

 

If you have any questions, please contact me at smwhalenpsp at gmail.com or 608
332-4147.

 

Thank you, and I look forward to hearing from you!

 

Take care,

 

Sean

 

 

 

 


From amylsabo at comcast.net  Thu Jan 12 08:45:57 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:45:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] hello shawn,RE:  Attention Musicians: NABS Needs You!
Message-ID: <000001ccd106$9af88910$d0e99b30$@comcast.net>

	
Thanks for posting this to the list. As for dealing with blind
musicians I think this awesome. I plan to forward this message
onto the perform-talk list which is the list for the performing
arts division list. And, hopefully, you will get some feedback
about this from the list.

Thanks again and, I will talk to you soon.




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:54 PM
To: 'List for NABS State Presidents'; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Attention Musicians: NABS Needs You!

Good evening,

 

On Monday February 6 NABS will be hosting a fundraiser and social
event as
part of the NFB's Washington Seminar. More details on the event
will be
circulated shortly, but as part of the nights festivities, we
intend to
provide our guests with live music performed by talented students
from
across the country.

 

If you, or anybody you know, will be attending Washington Seminar
and would
like to be considered to play a set at our fundraiser, we want to
hear from
you!

 

We plan on providing a PA and Yamaha Motif ES8 digital piano for
those who
want to use it. IF somebody needs access to an acoustic guitar,
that can be
arranged as well.

 

Sets will likely be 15 to 20 minutes long, and will be determined
by our
planning committee based on the number of performers we have.

 

If you are interested in playing, please send an mp3 or other
audio file, or
a link to one, to me at smwhalenpsp at gmail.com. If you need to
send something
on physical media, please contact me to arrange mailing. My phone
number is
608 332-4147.

 

Submissions must be received by Monday, January 23. Once we have
demos from
interested performers, the committee will select the best to play
at the
event.

 

We cannot offer to pay musicians for their efforts, but it
promises to be a
fun and well-attended event, and, if an artist has music to sell,
he or she
is free to do so at the event.

 

If you have any questions, please contact me at
smwhalenpsp at gmail.com or 608
332-4147.

 

Thank you, and I look forward to hearing from you!

 

Take care,

 

Sean

 

 

 

 

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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jan 12 09:42:09 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:42:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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Please watch your language!  There are list members who take offense 
at the use of 4 letter words and the like and most of us could stand 
to use a little more civility in our lives in general.

David Andrews, List Owner

At 01:10 PM 1/11/2012, you wrote:

>Joshua,
>
>What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a rule 
>are way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate which, 
>in my opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
>Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a wrong 
>term, particularly about something with which you have ZERO, familiarity?
>PLEASE!
>centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>Joshua,
>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by 
>>your rehab counselor?
>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't 
>>think this is a matter of ignorance.
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>
>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>called it a "Packman."
>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in 
>>regards to this?
>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>state VR system?
>>Thanks, Joshua
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com
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>>
>>Anjelina
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 12 20:20:07 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:20:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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David,
Thanks and how offensive to hear a blind person call a pacmate that 
language. It’s a notetaker with a display designed with us in mind!

-----Original Message----- 
From: David Andrews
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:42 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

Please watch your language!  There are list members who take offense
at the use of 4 letter words and the like and most of us could stand
to use a little more civility in our lives in general.

David Andrews, List Owner

At 01:10 PM 1/11/2012, you wrote:

>Joshua,
>
>What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a rule are 
>way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate which, in my 
>opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
>Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a wrong term, 
>particularly about something with which you have ZERO, familiarity?
>PLEASE!
>centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>Joshua,
>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your 
>>rehab counselor?
>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think 
>>this is a matter of ignorance.
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>
>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>called it a "Packman."
>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to 
>>this?
>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>state VR system?
>>Thanks, Joshua
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>nabs-l:
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>>
>>
>>Anjelina
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 12 23:33:02 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:33:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] blogs
Message-ID: <559A45D09143427E82CD9C9F0D47C944@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I need to create a blog for an english class. So is blogger accessible? If you had challenges, what were there? We just have to write posts, not do anything fancy or visual with the blog.

From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Thu Jan 12 23:43:44 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:43:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] blogs
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Ashley, use Blogspot.
I have two blind friends, who use it, and it isn't a problem.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/12/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I need to create a blog for an english class. So is blogger accessible? If
> you had challenges, what were there? We just have to write posts, not do
> anything fancy or visual with the blog.
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 02:24:54 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:24:54 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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Hi Joshua and all,
I agree with others that calling a Pac Mate a PacMan is an honest
mistake and not a big deal, but I also suspect that what Joshua is
annoyed about is not really the word mixup but a lot more than that.
Based on your other posts, it seems you are aggravated with the
incompetence that we often find in the VR system in general. I just
want to say I think the frustration is normal and OK and, indeed, I
have voiced it myself when attempting to help students who have been
short-changed by the system. The VR concept is a great one, but the
system designed to implement it has a lot of serious problems for
which there are no easy solutions yet-underfunding, lack of qualified
personnel etc. Joshua, I would encourage you to try to depend on VR as
little as you possibly can by seeing what other resources you have
available to you-like others have suggested, Lions Clubs, technology
loans etc. It's great if VR has agreed to purchase the technology for
you, but if they are taking their time about it, you'll want to see if
you can come up with a backup plan-even if it's something not quite as
good as a Pac Mate-in case the approval doesn't go through like it is
supposed to. At the least, you'll want to find a way to complete your
class assignments using the technology you currently have in case your
Pac Mate doesn't arrive in a timely manner.
>From reading your posts I also get the sense that you don't feel quite
in control of your educational decisions and then you feel frustrated
when choices are made for you that you don't agree with. Again this is
totally understandable. Are there things you can do to gain more
control over when and how you choose your classes? This might not be
an issue if you are graduating this semester, but if you are not, can
you try to register for classes early so you have more time to order
materials in Braille? Or, perhaps you can email professors even before
you sign up for their classes to ask what books they will be using.
Some professors won't know yet, but some of the old-time ones who use
the same book for twenty years will, and often even if the book you
get is an edition behind everyone else's, it'll be almost the same
thing. There are things like emailing professors that you can do on
your own to gain more control. Also, you'll be best off if you meet
yourself with the advisor for your major or whomever sighted students
at your college meet with to get advice about classes rather than just
meeting with your DSB counselor. You might already be doing this, but
if not, then I would suggest you meet directly with the staff at your
college to make these registration choices instead of doing it with
your DSB counselor. I really think you will be a lot happier with your
choices if you do it this way. You will also benefit from career
advice from someone who is used to working with students. I hope this
is helpful and if I misunderstood anything you posted I apologize.
Also feel free to write me off-list if you have more specific
questions.
Best,
Arielle

On 1/12/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> David,
> Thanks and how offensive to hear a blind person call a pacmate that
> language. It’s a notetaker with a display designed with us in mind!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Andrews
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:42 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
> Please watch your language!  There are list members who take offense
> at the use of 4 letter words and the like and most of us could stand
> to use a little more civility in our lives in general.
>
> David Andrews, List Owner
>
> At 01:10 PM 1/11/2012, you wrote:
>
>>Joshua,
>>
>>What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a rule are
>>way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate which, in my
>>opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
>>Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a wrong term,
>>particularly about something with which you have ZERO, familiarity?
>>PLEASE!
>>centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>>Joshua,
>>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your
>>>rehab counselor?
>>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think
>>>this is a matter of ignorance.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>
>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>>called it a "Packman."
>>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards to
>>>this?
>>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>>state VR system?
>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>nabs-l:
>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Anjelina
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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From dreami.eyes at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 05:36:08 2012
From: dreami.eyes at gmail.com (Janelle Orlowski)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 23:36:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] blogs
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On 1/12/2012 17:43, Joshua Lester wrote:
>  Ashley, use Blogspot. I have two blind friends, who use it, and it
>  isn't a problem. Blessings, Joshua
>
>  On 1/12/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I need to create a blog for an english class. So is blogger
> > accessible? If you had challenges, what were there? We just have to
> > write posts, not do anything fancy or visual with the blog.
> > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing
> > list nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To
> > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
> >
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do
>
you mean blogger?


From amylsabo at comcast.net  Fri Jan 13 06:08:48 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 23:08:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player
Message-ID: <000101ccd1b9$d12157c0$73640740$@comcast.net>

Hello all,
 
I hope that everyone is doing well. anyway, I have a problem and,
maybe someone could help me on it. I was listening to some music
that I had in my music folder under my music folder/amy's music.
I in which I had downloaded from a friend's twitter page that he
put up for anyone/his friends to grab or not. Well, I go to play
the selection in media player and, during part of the song it
pauses for some reason or not. I have tried replaying the track
again and, the same thing happens. I have rebooted and, the
problem is still there.
 
But, I also have winamp also installed on my computer too so, I
tried playing it in winamp and, it doesn't list all of the files
that I want to play.
 
So, what should I do. should put all of the tracks in my music
folder/amy's music into winamp or should I delete the files and,
then reload them?
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated on or off the list. Thanks
again and, I will talk to you all soon.
 
 
 
 
Hugs,
amy

From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan 13 05:40:53 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 23:40:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] blogs
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http://www.blogspot.com
Janelle, welcome to the list!Blessings, Joshua
I'm E-mailing you offlist.
Blessings, Joshua
On 1/12/12, Janelle Orlowski <dreami.eyes at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/12/2012 17:43, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>  Ashley, use Blogspot. I have two blind friends, who use it, and it
>>  isn't a problem. Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>  On 1/12/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I need to create a blog for an english class. So is blogger
>> > accessible? If you had challenges, what were there? We just have to
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 13 06:25:52 2012
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:25:52 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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Hi, Dave,

What 4-letter WORDS? 01:42 AM 1/12/2012, David Andrews wrote:
>Please watch your language!  There are list members who take offense 
>at the use of 4 letter words and the like and most of us could stand 
>to use a little more civility in our lives in general.
>
>David Andrews, List Owner
>
>At 01:10 PM 1/11/2012, you wrote:
>
>>Joshua,
>>
>>What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a 
>>rule are way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate 
>>which, in my opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
>>Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a wrong 
>>term, particularly about something with which you have ZERO, familiarity?
>>PLEASE!
>>centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>>Joshua,
>>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by 
>>>your rehab counselor?
>>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't 
>>>think this is a matter of ignorance.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>
>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>>called it a "Packman."
>>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in 
>>>regards to this?
>>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>>state VR system?
>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>>
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>>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jan 13 11:04:11 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 05:04:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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Well, I am certainly not going to repeat it as there are those who 
would be offended -- you can read as well as I, see below, I would 
call a word for excrement a 4 letter word, and there was another in a 
previous message.

Dave
At 12:25 AM 1/13/2012, you wrote:

>Hi, Dave,
>
>What 4-letter WORDS? 01:42 AM 1/12/2012, David Andrews wrote:
>>Please watch your language!  There are list members who take 
>>offense at the use of 4 letter words and the like and most of us 
>>could stand to use a little more civility in our lives in general.
>>
>>David Andrews, List Owner
>>
>>At 01:10 PM 1/11/2012, you wrote:
>>
>>>Joshua,
>>>
>>>What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a 
>>>rule are way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate 
>>>which, in my opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
>>>Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a 
>>>wrong term, particularly about something with which you have ZERO, familiarity?
>>>PLEASE!
>>>centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>>>Joshua,
>>>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by 
>>>>your rehab counselor?
>>>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't 
>>>>think this is a matter of ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>>
>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab office.
>>>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>>>called it a "Packman."
>>>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in 
>>>>regards to this?
>>>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>>>state VR system?
>>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>>>for nabs-l:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Anjelina



From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan 13 14:29:07 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:29:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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I'll just say, that it started with "S!"
That one doesn't offend me as much, as the "F," word I hear alot, both
at home, and at the college.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/13/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> Well, I am certainly not going to repeat it as there are those who
> would be offended -- you can read as well as I, see below, I would
> call a word for excrement a 4 letter word, and there was another in a
> previous message.
>
> Dave
> At 12:25 AM 1/13/2012, you wrote:
>
>>Hi, Dave,
>>
>>What 4-letter WORDS? 01:42 AM 1/12/2012, David Andrews wrote:
>>>Please watch your language!  There are list members who take
>>>offense at the use of 4 letter words and the like and most of us
>>>could stand to use a little more civility in our lives in general.
>>>
>>>David Andrews, List Owner
>>>
>>>At 01:10 PM 1/11/2012, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>Joshua,
>>>>
>>>>What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a
>>>>rule are way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate
>>>>which, in my opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
>>>>Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a
>>>>wrong term, particularly about something with which you have ZERO,
>>>> familiarity?
>>>>PLEASE!
>>>>centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>>>>Joshua,
>>>>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by
>>>>>your rehab counselor?
>>>>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't
>>>>>think this is a matter of ignorance.
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>>>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab
>>>>> office.
>>>>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>>>>called it a "Packman."
>>>>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>>>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>>>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>>>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in
>>>>>regards to this?
>>>>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>>>>state VR system?
>>>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>for nabs-l:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Anjelina
>
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From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 17:10:21 2012
From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:10:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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I think we've exhausted this topic enough guys. The rehab counselor
made a mistake. Now let's move on. If we worried about every little
mistake that people around us made, we'd have pretty miserable lives.
Patrick

On 1/13/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> I'll just say, that it started with "S!"
> That one doesn't offend me as much, as the "F," word I hear alot, both
> at home, and at the college.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/13/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>> Well, I am certainly not going to repeat it as there are those who
>> would be offended -- you can read as well as I, see below, I would
>> call a word for excrement a 4 letter word, and there was another in a
>> previous message.
>>
>> Dave
>> At 12:25 AM 1/13/2012, you wrote:
>>
>>>Hi, Dave,
>>>
>>>What 4-letter WORDS? 01:42 AM 1/12/2012, David Andrews wrote:
>>>>Please watch your language!  There are list members who take
>>>>offense at the use of 4 letter words and the like and most of us
>>>>could stand to use a little more civility in our lives in general.
>>>>
>>>>David Andrews, List Owner
>>>>
>>>>At 01:10 PM 1/11/2012, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Joshua,
>>>>>
>>>>>What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a
>>>>>rule are way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate
>>>>>which, in my opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
>>>>>Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a
>>>>>wrong term, particularly about something with which you have ZERO,
>>>>> familiarity?
>>>>>PLEASE!
>>>>>centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>>>>>Joshua,
>>>>>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by
>>>>>>your rehab counselor?
>>>>>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't
>>>>>>think this is a matter of ignorance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>>>>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab
>>>>>> office.
>>>>>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>>>>>called it a "Packman."
>>>>>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>>>>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>>>>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>>>>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in
>>>>>>regards to this?
>>>>>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>>>>>state VR system?
>>>>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>for nabs-l:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anjelina
>>
>>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:35:43 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:35:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Twitter question
Message-ID: <4f1079ab.4aaaec0a.3424.3841@mx.google.com>

Carly,

Maybe he didn't know at the time of his posting of this question 
that there was an option to leave his Tweets unprotected so he 
didn't have to accept follower requests; I know I didn't.  FYI, 
with Facebook there is no setting to tell Facebook to let anyone 
friend you; you have to accept every friend request you receive.  
So when I read his question, I thought it was a good one.  I 
didn't know that you could set Twitter to unprotect your account 
and just let anyone follow you; I was used to Facebook's set-up.  
So, this thread helped me too, as I will probably get a Twitter 
soon, and I needed to know that before I go into my account and 
somebody just followed me without my approval.  Without this 
knowledge, I wouldn't know what was going on.  So, he may not be 
up-tight about who follows him, but he may not have known and was 
asking more experienced Twitter users a question about it so he 
can gain more knowledge.  Nothing wrong with that!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:58:45 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question

Good morning, I tend to identify with Patrick, on this.  If you 
are
gonna be so uptight about your tweets, remaining, unprotected.  
Why
even be party to social media?? Just curious.


At 03:50 AM 1/11/2012, Patrick Molloy wrote:
Seems like the answer is to leave your tweets unprotected, and 
then
you won't have to worry about the friend requests one way or 
another.
Patrick Molloy

On 1/11/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
 Well, I stand corrected, apparently if you "protect" your 
tweets,
 which I do not do, you have to accept follow requests.

 Dave

 At 06:37 PM 1/10/2012, you wrote:
Then what were the rest of the people in this thread talking 
about
when they said, for example, that they "use sighted assistance to
accept follower requests?"

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity,
blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:07:29 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question

Twitter is not like Facebook, you don't accept or deny
requests.  Anyone can follow you, and you can follow anyone.

A number of blind persons use various clients on the iPhone, Many 
of
us used Qwitter, which is no longer in development, replaced by
quitmonger, dna the cube.  There is also an accessible web site,
easychirp.com.

Dave

At 09:58 AM 1/9/2012, you wrote:
I'm curious to find out: How do         people accept foller 
requests on
Twitter? I'm using JAWsS version 12.
Thanks,
Patrick


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:35:54 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:35:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
Message-ID: <4f1079b5.4aaaec0a.3424.385c@mx.google.com>

Well, my guess is they'll have to get a referral.  I don't know 
about the price of a PacMate, but the BrailleNote costs a lot 
more than $1000.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:29:15 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of 
blindness

LOL!
I haven't got it yet.
If it's over $1000, they have to get a referral.
Blessings, Joshua

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 We aren't all perfect and sometimes I call things names that are 
totally
 different and have been known to call people I have known for 
decades the
 wrong name or forgotten their name completely.  I'm just glad 
you got the
 pacmate instead of a packman

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[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
 Of Anjelina
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:03 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of 
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your rehab
 counselor?
 At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I 
don't think this
 is a matter of ignorance.

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 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

 Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
 I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
 I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my 
Rehab office.
 I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, 
and called it
 a "Packman."
 That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at 
least, have some
 knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that they're 
supposed to
 be assisting.
 Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in 
regards to
 this?
 What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within 
the state VR
 system?
 Thanks, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:36:02 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:36:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
Message-ID: <4f1079bd.4aaaec0a.3424.386c@mx.google.com>

We could probably use some more blind people to be rehab 
counselors.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:51:58 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of 
blindness

It would be helpful, if we had people that had more experience 
with
us, over our DSB, in headquarters.
I take what I can get, and I'm thankful for it, but I was 
surprised,
when that all went down, on Monday.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/11/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 Then you need to critique the process, not the person who is a 
part of it.
 The fact that she did not know what a PacMate was was probably 
beyond her
 control.  No, that is not crazy, especially if she has never 
worked with
 people who are blind before.  The things that are part of our 
every day
 lives--PacMates, BrailleNotes, embossers, screen readers, 
etc--are
 completely new to sighted people, and the training programs for 
councelors
 probably do not have enough information.
     Furthermore, Joshua, you really should consider how you 
state your
 feedback.  I agree that you have many important and valid 
points, but, if
 phrased in the wrong way, certain people may start remembering 
your slightly
 harsh comments more than your other qualities.

 Nicole

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of 
blindness


I don't know if it was a mistake.
 She's new, and she hasn't dealt with blind people before.
 This is her first time.
 I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, this time, but we need 
to make
 sure people know about the technology, so that Froidian slips 
like
 that don't happen.
 The Department of Social Services has taken over VR, for my 
state,
 which complecates the problem, though.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/11/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by 
your
 rehab
 counselor?
 At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I 
don't think
 this
 is a matter of ignorance.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

 Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
 I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
 I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my 
Rehab office.
 I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, 
and
 called it a "Packman."
 That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at 
least,
 have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
 they're supposed to be assisting.
 Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in 
regards to
 this?
 What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within 
the
 state VR system?
 Thanks, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:35:55 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:35:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs Membership Call: Washington Seminar/
	legislativeinvolvement 101
Message-ID: <4f1079b6.4aaaec0a.3424.385f@mx.google.com>

Do=20we=20know=20yet=20whether=20this=20call=20will=20be=20recorded=20or=20=
streamed=20on=20
Audio=20Access=20FM?

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Darian=20Smith=20<dsmithnfb at gmail.com
To:=20Nfbwvabs at nfbnet.org,=20Minnesota=20Students=20<mn-abs at nfbnet.org>,=20=

Kentucky=20Students=20<nfbkabs at nfbnet.org>,=20
massabs at nfbnet.org,cabs-talk=20<cabs-talk at nfbnet.org>,=20
aabs-forum at nfbnet.org,=20New=20Jersey=20Students=20
<njabs-talk at nfbnet.org>,mabs=20<mabs at nfbnet.org>,=20Florida=20Students=20
<fabs at nfbnet.org>,=20wabs at nfbwis.org,Utah=20Students=20
<uabs at nfbnet.org>,=20kansas-blind-students at nfbnet.org,Nebraska=20
<nebraska-students at nfbnet.org>,=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20
Students=20mailing=20list=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Tennessee=20Students=20
<tabs at nfbnet.org>,=20Illinois=20Students=20<iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>,=20
Nyabs=20<Nyabs at nfbnet.org>,Oabs at nfbnet.org,=20New=20Hampshire=20Students=20=

<new-hampshire-students at nfbnet.org>,=20Louisiana=20Students=20
<la-students at nfbnet.org>,=20New=20Mexico=20Association=20of=20Blind=20
Students=20<nmabs at nfbnet.org>,Gabs at nfbnet.org,=20Virginia=20Students=20
<vabs at nfbnet.org>,=20North=20Carolina=20Students=20<ncabs at nfbnet.org>,=20
mi-abs at nfbnet.org,=20List=20for=20NABS=20State=20Presidents=20
<nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>,cabs at nfbnet.org,=20Texas=20Association=20
of=20Blind=20Students=20<txabs at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Wed,=2011=20Jan=202012=2008:41:50=20-0800
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20nabs=20Membership=20Call:=20Washington=20Seminar/=20
legislativeinvolvement=20101

The=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20Membership=20Committ=
ee=20
Presents:

=93Washington=20Seminar=20101=94

When:=20Sunday,=20January=2015,=202012,=207:00=20P.M.=20=20EST.

Where:=20Conference=20line;=20(712)=20775-1200,=20code=20257963

=A0=A0=A0=20The=20purpose=20of=20this=20call=20is=20to=20provide=20informat=
ion=20on=20the=20
upcoming
Washington=20Seminar=20event,=20to=20be=20held=20February=206-9,=202012.=20=
=20Join=20
Lauren
McLarney,=20Government
Program=20Specialist=20of=20the=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=
=20as=20
she
talks=20about=20this=20year=92s=20three=20key=20issues=20and=20ways=20that=
=20people=20can=20
get
involved,=20whether
or=20not=20you=20are=20able=20to=20attend=20the=20event.=20=20This=20call=20=
promises=20to=20
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something=20for=20everyone,=20from=20Washington=20Seminar=20veterans=20to=20=
those
going=20for=20the=20first
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=20=93Seminar=94=20
are,
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:36:03 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:36:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
Message-ID: <4f1079bf.4aaaec0a.3424.386e@mx.google.com>

I'd contact your affiliate President.  We in Maryland have the 
advantage of having the advocates from the national center in our 
own backyard, but a lot of states don't have that advangage.  So 
someone from your affiliate would be good for that purpose.

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:20:58 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of 
blindness

Joshua,
No one gets everything they want or need.  I recommend getting 
family help to
purchase products or if needed turn to a charity such as lions 
clubs.
Its my experience that the VR system isn't too helpful.  I wanted 
them to
authorize computer training from an outside service provider they 
often use.
Well, months later in january, I still have no training.  Once 
authorization
is submitted, I get only eight hours.  That isn't much, but 
hopefully will
get me started with the applications I need to learn.

As far as people with more experience, there are tons; just ask 
around in
nfb.  Fred Schroeder is one but he is in VA, but he would travel 
over there
as an advocate if something serious happens.  Also, contacting 
any number of
civil right nonprofits to be an advocate may help as well.
Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:51 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of 
blindness

It would be helpful, if we had people that had more experience 
with
us, over our DSB, in headquarters.
I take what I can get, and I'm thankful for it, but I was 
surprised,
when that all went down, on Monday.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/11/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 Then you need to critique the process, not the person who is a 
part of it.
 The fact that she did not know what a PacMate was was probably 
beyond her
 control.  No, that is not crazy, especially if she has never 
worked with
 people who are blind before.  The things that are part of our 
every day
 lives--PacMates, BrailleNotes, embossers, screen readers, 
etc--are
 completely new to sighted people, and the training programs for 
councelors
 probably do not have enough information.
     Furthermore, Joshua, you really should consider how you 
state your
 feedback.  I agree that you have many important and valid 
points, but, if
 phrased in the wrong way, certain people may start remembering 
your
 slightly
 harsh comments more than your other qualities.

 Nicole

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of 
blindness


I don't know if it was a mistake.
 She's new, and she hasn't dealt with blind people before.
 This is her first time.
 I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, this time, but we need 
to make
 sure people know about the technology, so that Froidian slips 
like
 that don't happen.
 The Department of Social Services has taken over VR, for my 
state,
 which complecates the problem, though.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/11/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by 
your
 rehab
 counselor?
 At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I 
don't think
 this
 is a matter of ignorance.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

 Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
 I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
 I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my 
Rehab
 office.
 I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, 
and
 called it a "Packman."
 That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at 
least,
 have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
 they're supposed to be assisting.
 Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in 
regards to
 this?
 What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within 
the
 state VR system?
 Thanks, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:36:04 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:36:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
Message-ID: <4f1079c0.4aaaec0a.3424.3871@mx.google.com>

Except for math, yes.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:06:49 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Hi,
Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on 
audio
rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use braille 
in
college.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
 I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
 The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order 
to get
 my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I 
know, 6
 months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
 This is crazy!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Um...

 (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
 offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
 had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
 Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
 2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
 took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
 can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
 Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

 Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
 The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
 be
 able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
 The bad news, is as follows.
 #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
 #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
 #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
 Music
 Appreciation, but there's one problem!
 It's another compressed video class!
 #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
 They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
 other
 Science class, in the Fall.
 That's a community college for you!
 Oh well!
 At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
 Blessings, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:36:10 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:36:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
Message-ID: <4f1079c5.4aaaec0a.3424.3877@mx.google.com>

I have my textbooks either on my Stream in audio format from RFBD 
or from Bookshare in BRF format on my BrailleNote.  I'll tell 
you; that Stream was a life-saver, what with 30 volumes of 
Braille a textbook!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:26:10 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

you can also get books and put them on your computer in word or 
pdf files
and you can search quick and also work on your spelling.  I am 
not against
braille by no means I myself am a braille reader, but I am just 
suggesting a
way that won't break your back or arms by carrying braille books 
in your
back pack.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


 To me, the ideal way would be to have both.  I would want an 
audio one
 that would be on an sd card and the like, and another file on my 
apex for
 quick searches in class or other activities.  Also to me, having 
it in
 braille, greatly assist me in my spelling looking better than it 
might
 otherwise.  I know, it's nice to dream.

 Loren



 -----Original Message-----
 From: Gloria G
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:06 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

 Hi,
 Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on 
audio
 rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use 
braille in
 college.
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
 I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
 The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order 
to get
 my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I 
know, 6
 months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
 This is crazy!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Um...

 (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
 offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
 had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
 Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
 2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
 took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
 can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
 Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

 Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
 The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
 be
 able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
 The bad news, is as follows.
 #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
 #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
 #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
 Music
 Appreciation, but there's one problem!
 It's another compressed video class!
 #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
 They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
 other
 Science class, in the Fall.
 That's a community college for you!
 Oh well!
 At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
 Blessings, Joshua

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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:40:19 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:40:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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Message-ID: <A7ED1FE089824D118B0F6334851301AF@Gloria>

As I have said before it is the students responsability to do their research 
on the things they would like to use during their college experience and so 
on. It is the rehab counselors responsability to step in when the student is 
having troubles. Stop wasting time complaining about such the littlest 
things when their is bigger things to worry about.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness


> Lea,
> Sometimes people feel they need to complain and vent to other blind people 
> who understand.
> I think it’s a fair expectation for a rehab counselor that works with 
> blind clients full time to know a little bit about assistive technology.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Lea williams
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:33 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>
> josh i can see if your counsular bot your a different item than what
> you guys agreed to because of the lack of knowledge, but slipping and
> calling it some other name is normal to all people. And everyone has
> to start someplace, not everyone is going to come out of the box ready
> to go knowing everything. I am sure you will understand this if or
> when you get a job oneday yourself.
>
> and I think that it is a good idea to keep things respectful, in
> cluding the language, the manner in wich we speak to eachother and
> about other people. We are not the only one's who gets these emails.
> Many people such as, parents, rehab counsulars, teachers and so many
> other people could be signed up on this list.
>
> Gloria says in one of her emails that is a great example of this.
>
> beginning of email
>
> I came to this site because I thought it was a place where students
> can get help from other experienced students on accomidations or other
> things regarding college and possibly the work world. This cite has
> been a disapointment because I only hear people ganging up and
> complaing about others who have no control of what is going on. I
> don't think this cite and its users would want to be known as
> complainers. Please find some possitivity in the world.
>
> End of email
>
> Hope gives some good opinions.
>
> Beginning of email
>
> This was probably just an honest mistake from your counselor. There
> are many pieces of assistive technology out there and a lot to
> remember for those people who don't even use it.  My  former vr
> counselor couldn't remember the name for the vr stream. She called it
> a stream reader. Something as small as this mistake should be
> overlooked. I don't think she meant anything by it.
>
> End of email
>
> I personally avoid any email thread for the most part with particular
> peoples names in them because of their carictor and bad behavior and
> habbits.
> This is something that I hope will change and will be taken care of.
>
>
> On 1/11/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> can we please move on and stop feeding into the complants
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>
>>
>>> This was probably just an honest mistake from your counselor. There are
>>> many pieces of assistive technology out there and a lot to remember for
>>> those people who don't even use it.  My  former vr counselor couldn't
>>> remember the name for the vr stream. She called it a stream reader.
>>> Something as small as this mistake should be overlooked. I don't think 
>>> she
>>>
>>> meant anything by it.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion.
>>>
>>> Hope
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Carly" <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>>> list"
>>>
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joshua,
>>>>
>>>> What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a rule 
>>>> are
>>>> way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate which, in my
>>>> opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
>>>> Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a wrong 
>>>> term,
>>>>
>>>> particularly about something with which you have ZERO, familiarity?
>>>> PLEASE!
>>>> centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
>>>>>Joshua,
>>>>>I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by your
>>>>>rehab counselor?
>>>>>At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't think
>>>>>this is a matter of ignorance.
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>>I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
>>>>>I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab 
>>>>>office.
>>>>>I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
>>>>>called it a "Packman."
>>>>>That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at least,
>>>>>have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
>>>>>they're supposed to be assisting.
>>>>>Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in regards 
>>>>>to
>>>>>this?
>>>>>What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
>>>>>state VR system?
>>>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>Anjelina
>>>>>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:36:19 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:36:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Twitter question
Message-ID: <4f1079cf.4aaaec0a.3424.3887@mx.google.com>

Oh, I see.  So it's not like Facebook.  I ask all these questions 
because I will probably get a Twitter account at some point and 
need to know how it works before I get one.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:02:31 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question

Well, I stand corrected, apparently if you "protect" your tweets,
which I do not do, you have to accept follow requests.

Dave

At 06:37 PM 1/10/2012, you wrote:
Then what were the rest of the people in this thread talking 
about
when they said, for example, that they "use sighted assistance to
accept follower requests?"

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity,
blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:07:29 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question

Twitter is not like Facebook, you don't accept or deny
requests.  Anyone can follow you, and you can follow anyone.

A number of blind persons use various clients on the iPhone, Many 
of
us used Qwitter, which is no longer in development, replaced by
quitmonger, dna the cube.  There is also an accessible web site,
easychirp.com.

Dave

At 09:58 AM 1/9/2012, you wrote:
I'm curious to find out: How do         people accept foller 
requests on
Twitter? I'm using JAWsS version 12.
Thanks,
Patrick


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:36:11 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:36:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
Message-ID: <4f1079c6.4aaaec0a.3424.3878@mx.google.com>

My English teacher always would call my BrailleNote, which I 
would often refer to as my notetaker among sighted people, a 
"notes reader."

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:28:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of 
blindness

This was probably just an honest mistake from your counselor.  
There are many
pieces of assistive technology out there and a lot to remember 
for those
people who don't even use it.  My  former vr counselor couldn't 
remember the
name for the vr stream.  She called it a stream reader.  
Something as small as
this mistake should be overlooked.  I don't think she meant 
anything by it.

Just my opinion.

Hope
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carly" <carlymih at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of 
blindness



 Joshua,

 What a self centered, insensitive response to workers who, as a 
rule are
 way overworked! It isn't all about you and your PackMate which, 
in my
 opinionis a piece of shit anyway.
 Besides, are you trying to tell us that you have never used a 
wrong term,
 particularly about something with which you have ZERO, 
familiarity?
 PLEASE!
 centeAt 08:02 AM 1/11/2012, Anjelina wrote:
Joshua,
I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by 
your
rehab counselor?
At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I don't 
think
this is a matter of ignorance.

-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my Rehab 
office.
I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, and
called it a "Packman."
That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at 
least,
have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
they're supposed to be assisting.
Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in 
regards to
this?
What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within the
state VR system?
Thanks, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:36:08 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:36:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
Message-ID: <4f1079c4.4aaaec0a.3424.3875@mx.google.com>

He did; it's called a PacMate.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:15:01 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of 
blindness

Hi,
I don't mean to so9und like a smart alic, but the rehab counselor 
is there
to help students get through school, but altumitly it is the 
students
responsibility I feel to voice what they need as far as services 
and
technology.  It is no need to make a big deal over a mess up on 
words because
you as the student should have done your research and know what 
piece of
technology you would be interested in trying out or using.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness


 Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
 I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
 I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my 
Rehab office.
 I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped, 
and
 called it a "Packman."
 That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at 
least,
 have some knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that
 they're supposed to be assisting.
 Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in 
regards to
 this?
 What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within 
the
 state VR system?
 Thanks, Joshua

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From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 19:04:43 2012
From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:04:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blogs and off topic responses
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Hello all, the best way to find out if a blog or site is accessible is
to try it first, see if there are any barriers which come up, and then
see if there is work-around that may fix any accessibility issues.

Blogger, to my knowledge is accessible at least, if you want to create
a basic blog. I'm sure that pictures, videos, and links can be
accessible as well, but I have personally never played around with the
options. I kept a blog documenting my experiences at LCB and found it
very simple. You can check it out at

http://waysofthecane.blogspot.com/

Also, let's try to keep this list free of negative responses. Often
times these negative responses are irrelevant, and simply do nothing
but clutter up our mailboxes.

It's great that we have such an active list. Let's remember that there
is a difference between discussion, and argument.

Thanks for reading,
Alex


From aphelps at BISM.org  Fri Jan 13 19:08:31 2012
From: aphelps at BISM.org (Amy Phelps)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:08:31 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar
Message-ID: <2F0E613B2BAE494FB8A70DD032F0F22840F22551@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com>

Is there a link to a website about winter seminar? We are wanting to coordinate a weekend event that wraps up with attending the winter seminar but I can't seem to find a link or the info. Does someone have it handy so I don't have to dig around for it. Thanks 

Thanks!  
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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: nabs-l
Subject: [nabs-l] Blogs and off topic responses

Hello all, the best way to find out if a blog or site is accessible is to try it first, see if there are any barriers which come up, and then see if there is work-around that may fix any accessibility issues.

Blogger, to my knowledge is accessible at least, if you want to create a basic blog. I'm sure that pictures, videos, and links can be accessible as well, but I have personally never played around with the options. I kept a blog documenting my experiences at LCB and found it very simple. You can check it out at

http://waysofthecane.blogspot.com/

Also, let's try to keep this list free of negative responses. Often times these negative responses are irrelevant, and simply do nothing but clutter up our mailboxes.

It's great that we have such an active list. Let's remember that there is a difference between discussion, and argument.

Thanks for reading,
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 13 20:06:55 2012
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:06:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Twitter question
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Hi, Chris,

Sorry. I'm a littole bit blind, to the hole social media, universe. 
Didn't intend to be so strong, or opinionated!
At 10:35 AM 1/13/2012, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>Carly,
>
>Maybe he didn't know at the time of his posting of this question 
>that there was an option to leave his Tweets unprotected so he 
>didn't have to accept follower requests; I know I didn't.  FYI, with 
>Facebook there is no setting to tell Facebook to let anyone friend 
>you; you have to accept every friend request you receive.
>So when I read his question, I thought it was a good one.  I didn't 
>know that you could set Twitter to unprotect your account and just 
>let anyone follow you; I was used to Facebook's set-up.
>So, this thread helped me too, as I will probably get a Twitter 
>soon, and I needed to know that before I go into my account and 
>somebody just followed me without my approval.  Without this 
>knowledge, I wouldn't know what was going on.  So, he may not be 
>up-tight about who follows him, but he may not have known and was 
>asking more experienced Twitter users a question about it so he can 
>gain more knowledge.  Nothing wrong with that!
>
>Chris
>
>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, 
>blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>-- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:58:45 -0800
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question
>
>Good morning, I tend to identify with Patrick, on this.  If you are
>gonna be so uptight about your tweets, remaining, unprotected.
>Why
>even be party to social media?? Just curious.
>
>
>At 03:50 AM 1/11/2012, Patrick Molloy wrote:
>Seems like the answer is to leave your tweets unprotected, and then
>you won't have to worry about the friend requests one way or another.
>Patrick Molloy
>
>On 1/11/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>Well, I stand corrected, apparently if you "protect" your tweets,
>which I do not do, you have to accept follow requests.
>
>Dave
>
>At 06:37 PM 1/10/2012, you wrote:
>Then what were the rest of the people in this thread talking about
>when they said, for example, that they "use sighted assistance to
>accept follower requests?"
>
>Chris
>
>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity,
>blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>-- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:07:29 -0600
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question
>
>Twitter is not like Facebook, you don't accept or deny
>requests.  Anyone can follow you, and you can follow anyone.
>
>A number of blind persons use various clients on the iPhone, Many of
>us used Qwitter, which is no longer in development, replaced by
>quitmonger, dna the cube.  There is also an accessible web site,
>easychirp.com.
>
>Dave
>
>At 09:58 AM 1/9/2012, you wrote:
>I'm curious to find out: How do         people accept foller requests on
>Twitter? I'm using JAWsS version 12.
>Thanks,
>Patrick
>
>
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 13 20:09:02 2012
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:09:02 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
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Hi, Chris,

I know whatcha mean about the Stream. A life saver!
I imagine kinda like sighted people's notebooks?At 10:36 AM 
1/13/2012, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>I have my textbooks either on my Stream in audio format from RFBD or 
>from Bookshare in BRF format on my BrailleNote.  I'll tell you; that 
>Stream was a life-saver, what with 30 volumes of Braille a textbook!
>
>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, 
>blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>-- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:26:10 -0600
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
>you can also get books and put them on your computer in word or pdf files
>and you can search quick and also work on your spelling.  I am not against
>braille by no means I myself am a braille reader, but I am just suggesting a
>way that won't break your back or arms by carrying braille books in your
>back pack.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
>
>To me, the ideal way would be to have both.  I would want an audio one
>that would be on an sd card and the like, and another file on my apex for
>quick searches in class or other activities.  Also to me, having it in
>braille, greatly assist me in my spelling looking better than it might
>otherwise.  I know, it's nice to dream.
>
>Loren
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gloria G
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:06 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
>Hi,
>Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on audio
>rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use braille in
>college.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
>
>I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
>I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
>The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order to get
>my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I know, 6
>months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
>This is crazy!
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>Um...
>
>(1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
>offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
>had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
>Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
>2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
>took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
>can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.
>
>Chris
>
>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>nuisance."
>-- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
>Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
>Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
>The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
>be
>able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
>The bad news, is as follows.
>#1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
>#2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
>#3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
>Music
>Appreciation, but there's one problem!
>It's another compressed video class!
>#4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
>They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
>other
>Science class, in the Fall.
>That's a community college for you!
>Oh well!
>At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
>Blessings, Joshua
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 20:09:31 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:09:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] blogs
Message-ID: <4f108fa6.032d650a.5607.47dc@mx.google.com>

Welcome to the list Janelle!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 23:40:53 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blogs

http://www.blogspot.com
Janelle, welcome to the list!Blessings, Joshua
I'm E-mailing you offlist.
Blessings, Joshua
On 1/12/12, Janelle Orlowski <dreami.eyes at gmail.com> wrote:
 On 1/12/2012 17:43, Joshua Lester wrote:
  Ashley, use Blogspot.  I have two blind friends, who use it, 
and it
  isn't a problem.  Blessings, Joshua

  On 1/12/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Hi all,

 I need to create a blog for an english class.  So is blogger
 accessible? If you had challenges, what were there? We just have 
to
 write posts, not do anything fancy or visual with the blog.
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 20:09:29 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:09:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] blogs
Message-ID: <4f108fa4.032d650a.5607.47d7@mx.google.com>

Has your professor told you you have to use Blogger? If so, 
Blogspot seems pretty accessible, and so does Live Journal.  I've 
also heard about blind people using Wordpress.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:43:44 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blogs

Ashley, use Blogspot.
I have two blind friends, who use it, and it isn't a problem.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/12/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Hi all,

 I need to create a blog for an english class.  So is blogger 
accessible? If
 you had challenges, what were there? We just have to write 
posts, not do
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 13 21:15:51 2012
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:15:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar
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You can find general information about Washington Seminar, including the 
legislative fact sheets at the following address:

www.nfb.org/nfb/Washington_Seminar.asp

In addition to the information on this website, and email was recently sent 
out stating that the student seminar will be held on Monday, February 6, 
2012.

Hope this helps,
Elizabeth


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From: "Amy Phelps" <aphelps at BISM.org>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:08 PM
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Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar

> Is there a link to a website about winter seminar? We are wanting to 
> coordinate a weekend event that wraps up with attending the winter seminar 
> but I can't seem to find a link or the info. Does someone have it handy so 
> I don't have to dig around for it. Thanks
>
> Thanks!
> Amy C. Phelps
> 410-737-2642
>
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> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:05 PM
> To: nabs-l
> Subject: [nabs-l] Blogs and off topic responses
>
> Hello all, the best way to find out if a blog or site is accessible is to 
> try it first, see if there are any barriers which come up, and then see if 
> there is work-around that may fix any accessibility issues.
>
> Blogger, to my knowledge is accessible at least, if you want to create a 
> basic blog. I'm sure that pictures, videos, and links can be accessible as 
> well, but I have personally never played around with the options. I kept a 
> blog documenting my experiences at LCB and found it very simple. You can 
> check it out at
>
> http://waysofthecane.blogspot.com/
>
> Also, let's try to keep this list free of negative responses. Often times 
> these negative responses are irrelevant, and simply do nothing but clutter 
> up our mailboxes.
>
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> Thanks for reading,
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From aphelps at BISM.org  Fri Jan 13 21:22:13 2012
From: aphelps at BISM.org (Amy Phelps)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:22:13 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar
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I'm looking for the winter student seminar information blurb that was just sent out. 

Thanks!  
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar

You can find general information about Washington Seminar, including the legislative fact sheets at the following address:

www.nfb.org/nfb/Washington_Seminar.asp

In addition to the information on this website, and email was recently sent out stating that the student seminar will be held on Monday, February 6, 2012.

Hope this helps,
Elizabeth


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Amy Phelps" <aphelps at BISM.org>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:08 PM
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
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Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar

> Is there a link to a website about winter seminar? We are wanting to 
> coordinate a weekend event that wraps up with attending the winter 
> seminar but I can't seem to find a link or the info. Does someone have 
> it handy so I don't have to dig around for it. Thanks
>
> Thanks!
> Amy C. Phelps
> 410-737-2642
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>
> Blogger, to my knowledge is accessible at least, if you want to create 
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From nbrav003 at fiu.edu  Sat Jan 14 01:32:27 2012
From: nbrav003 at fiu.edu (Nallym Bravo)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:32:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} Fwd: [RP-Miami] Federal Internship and Job
	Opportunities for Youth with Disabilities
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For your information. 

Best,
Nallym Bravo
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Please excuse the brevity of this message as it was sent from a mobile device. 
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
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> The White House Office of Public Engagement invites you to a nationwide conference call on federal internships and employment opportunities for young Americans with disabilities on Tuesday, January 17th  at 3 p.m. EST. Program representatives will explain how to apply for these unique opportunities, when application materials are due, and useful tips on putting together a competitive application package.
> 
> What: Conference Call on Federal Internship and Employment Opportunities for 
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> Speakers from:
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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 01:39:07 2012
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:39:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar
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Amy, here's the latest info that was sent to the list:

As you likely know, it is nearly time for the NFB's annual Washington
Seminar, and, as part of this exciting week of events in DC and on Capitol
Hill, the National Association of Blind Students is holding its annual
winter seminar!

When:   Monday February 6, 2012 from 9:00am to 1:00pm (registration starts
at 8:00), with a resource fair to follow after lunch.

Where:  The Discovery II room of the Holiday Inn Capitol, located at 550 C
Street SW in Washington DC.

Who:    Blind students and young professionals, as well as their teachers
and parents, are invited to attend this informative seminar featuring
presentations and group discussions on various topics of interest to blind
students ranging from technology to professional development to legislative
advocacy!

So, before the week's legislative activities take center stage, join NABS
for this exciting and informative seminar on the morning of Monday February
6.

The agenda, as well as a list of exhibitors at the resource fair, will be
circulated as soon as they are finalized. The agenda and resource fair
participants list will also be posted to
nabslink.org
, so stay tuned.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at either
smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
 or 608 332-4147.

Look forward to seeing you there!

Take care,

Sean

I hope this is helpful/what you were looking for?
Warmest Regards,
Courtney


From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sat Jan 14 01:45:13 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:45:13 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Preferences was Re:  Results of my Rehab meeting
References: <4f1079c0.4aaaec0a.3424.3871@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AAF32EB7D835468183FC1D201A76BB56@stanford.edu>

Each person has his/her own preference on what format to use, and that may 
be different for different subjects, but no one person is right or wrong.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


> Except for math, yes.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real 
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a 
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be 
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:06:49 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
> Hi,
> Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on audio
> rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use braille in
> college.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
>
> I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
> I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
> The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order to get
> my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I know, 6
> months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
> This is crazy!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Um...
>
> (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
> offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
> had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
> Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
> 2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
> took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
> can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
>
> Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
> The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
> be
> able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
> The bad news, is as follows.
> #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
> #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
> #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
> Music
> Appreciation, but there's one problem!
> It's another compressed video class!
> #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
> They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
> other
> Science class, in the Fall.
> That's a community college for you!
> Oh well!
> At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
> Blessings, Joshua
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 14 03:07:18 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:07:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
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Chris,
the pacmate costs over  a thousand too.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:35 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

Well, my guess is they'll have to get a referral.  I don't know
about the price of a PacMate, but the BrailleNote costs a lot
more than $1000.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:29:15 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of
blindness

LOL!
I haven't got it yet.
If it's over $1000, they have to get a referral.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/11/12, Amy Phelps <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
We aren't all perfect and sometimes I call things names that are
totally
different and have been known to call people I have known for
decades the
wrong name or forgotten their name completely.  I'm just glad
you got the
pacmate instead of a packman

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[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Anjelina
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:03 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of
blindness

Joshua,
I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by
your rehab
counselor?
At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I
don't think this
is a matter of ignorance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my
Rehab office.
I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped,
and called it
a "Packman."
That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at
least, have some
knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that they're
supposed to
be assisting.
Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in
regards to
this?
What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within
the state VR
system?
Thanks, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 03:08:50 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:08:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar
Message-ID: <4f10f1ed.0d36650a.1d4b.3160@mx.google.com>

Hey Amy,

Did you get Sean's email about the winter seminar from a few days 
ago? He said that the agenda would be circulated (I'm guessing 
via this list) and posted on the NABS site when it is finalized.  
In the meantime, I would check out the events page of 
nabslink.org.  If you need any other info that the Web site 
doesn't provide, I'd contact Sean at smwhalenpsp at gmail.com.  By 
the way, I'm referring to Sean Whalen there.  By the way, Melissa 
Lomax told me that you were planning an event around the winter 
seminar for the mentoring program, so if that comes through, I 
would love to attend! That is, if that application came through 
to you! :)
Hope this helps,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Phelps <aphelps at BISM.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:08:31 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar

Is there a link to a website about winter seminar? We are wanting 
to coordinate a weekend event that wraps up with attending the 
winter seminar but I can't seem to find a link or the info.  Does 
someone have it handy so I don't have to dig around for it.  
Thanks

Thanks!
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From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alexander 
Castillo
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: nabs-l
Subject: [nabs-l] Blogs and off topic responses

Hello all, the best way to find out if a blog or site is 
accessible is to try it first, see if there are any barriers 
which come up, and then see if there is work-around that may fix 
any accessibility issues.

Blogger, to my knowledge is accessible at least, if you want to 
create a basic blog.  I'm sure that pictures, videos, and links 
can be accessible as well, but I have personally never played 
around with the options.  I kept a blog documenting my 
experiences at LCB and found it very simple.  You can check it 
out at

http://waysofthecane.blogspot.com/

Also, let's try to keep this list free of negative responses.  
Often times these negative responses are irrelevant, and simply 
do nothing but clutter up our mailboxes.

It's great that we have such an active list.  Let's remember that 
there is a difference between discussion, and argument.

Thanks for reading,
Alex

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 03:08:55 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:08:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Maryland Association of Blind Students January
	meeting/seminar
Message-ID: <4f10f1f2.0d36650a.1d4b.3168@mx.google.com>

Hi everyone,

Here is an announcement from the Maryland Association of Blind 
Students (MDABS) regarding our January meeting/seminar:

 Attention All Blind Students in Middle school, High School, or 
College: Join Us for a Fun and Educational Event!!


Have you ever wanted to meet other blind students? Ever wondered 
about the great opportunities available for you? Or, ever wanted 
to learn more about the National Federation of the Blind?
  If so, join the Maryland Association of Blind Students at our 
first gathering of the New Year!!!
  Benefits of attending: * You will meet new students and have 
fun! * You can learn how to make your experience at school better 
* You will participate in a discussion about several topics of 
interest * You will be introduced to the student division and the 
National Federation of the Blind
  Date and time: January 28, 2012, 12 -- 3:00 p.m.  Location: 
Vista Garden Shopping Center 10201 Martin Luther King Jr.  
Highway, 2nd floor meeting room Bowie, Maryland
  We will eat at a nearby fast-food restaurant of your choice; so 
bring money for food.  Also, MandM's and bottled water will be 
sold for our fundraiser.
  We look forward to seeing you there!!
  For more information, contact Melissa Lomax Cell: (908)-57-0221 
or email:mlomax1 at umbc.edu

Hope to see you there!

Chris Nusbaum (on behalf of the MDABS board)

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 14 03:14:48 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:14:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
In-Reply-To: <4f1079c5.4aaaec0a.3424.3877@mx.google.com>
References: <4f1079c5.4aaaec0a.3424.3877@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <46E15E44824D40B6B9076A5B9EB89138@OwnerPC>

Chris,
I had hard copy braille in high school and bookshare did not exist then.
I think you need to keep up reading hard copy braille and do so fluently; 
otherwise you are doing yourself a disservice. You may hate the heavy 
volumes of braille. I had trouble carrying all of them, but I'm glad I 
learned and practiced reading. I say this because you read differently in 
real braille. You read with two hands and split mid line. The right hand 
finishes the line and the left hand moves down and waits for the right. The 
left acts as a place holder kind of. You only see one line of text with a 
braille display. I'm glad you have some braille, even if its electronic. But 
due to the heavy and space limitations of braille, I feel teachers push 
audio. After all, the vr stream is so light and compact.

Gee kids are spoiled these days. Bookshare and textbooks on your braille 
computer. Unheard of when I was in school. Me thinks this opens the door for 
cheating too when doing tests; unless you take those in hard copy braille. 
Oh, and I did that. I actually read those fifty question multiple choice 
tests in braille for multiple subjects and brailled my answers on the 
brailler; and then my TVI put them on the print test or scantron. Woe, 
things have change, and somewhat for the worse.
We need to keep up our braille skills after all the braillenote might crash 
and will you take that thing to say a public speech? hmm.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

I have my textbooks either on my Stream in audio format from RFBD
or from Bookshare in BRF format on my BrailleNote.  I'll tell
you; that Stream was a life-saver, what with 30 volumes of
Braille a textbook!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:26:10 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

you can also get books and put them on your computer in word or
pdf files
and you can search quick and also work on your spelling.  I am
not against
braille by no means I myself am a braille reader, but I am just
suggesting a
way that won't break your back or arms by carrying braille books
in your
back pack.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


To me, the ideal way would be to have both.  I would want an
audio one
that would be on an sd card and the like, and another file on my
apex for
quick searches in class or other activities.  Also to me, having
it in
braille, greatly assist me in my spelling looking better than it
might
otherwise.  I know, it's nice to dream.

Loren



-----Original Message-----
From: Gloria G
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Hi,
Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on
audio
rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use
braille in
college.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order
to get
my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I
know, 6
months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
This is crazy!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
Um...

(1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
be
able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
The bad news, is as follows.
#1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
#2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
#3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
Music
Appreciation, but there's one problem!
It's another compressed video class!
#4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
other
Science class, in the Fall.
That's a community college for you!
Oh well!
At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
Blessings, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 03:50:52 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:50:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Twitter question
Message-ID: <4f10fbc8.649dec0a.326e.ffffb73f@mx.google.com>

That's OK.  Haha; you're blind in more than one way! LOL!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:06:55 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question


Hi, Chris,

Sorry.  I'm a littole bit blind, to the hole social media, 
universe.
Didn't intend to be so strong, or opinionated!
At 10:35 AM 1/13/2012, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
Carly,

Maybe he didn't know at the time of his posting of this question
that there was an option to leave his Tweets unprotected so he
didn't have to accept follower requests; I know I didn't.  FYI, 
with
Facebook there is no setting to tell Facebook to let anyone 
friend
you; you have to accept every friend request you receive.
So when I read his question, I thought it was a good one.  I 
didn't
know that you could set Twitter to unprotect your account and 
just
let anyone follow you; I was used to Facebook's set-up.
So, this thread helped me too, as I will probably get a Twitter
soon, and I needed to know that before I go into my account and
somebody just followed me without my approval.  Without this
knowledge, I wouldn't know what was going on.  So, he may not be
up-tight about who follows him, but he may not have known and was
asking more experienced Twitter users a question about it so he 
can
gain more knowledge.  Nothing wrong with that!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity,
blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students 
mailing
list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:58:45 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question

Good morning, I tend to identify with Patrick, on this.  If you 
are
gonna be so uptight about your tweets, remaining, unprotected.
Why
even be party to social media?? Just curious.


At 03:50 AM 1/11/2012, Patrick Molloy wrote:
Seems like the answer is to leave your tweets unprotected, and 
then
you won't have to worry about the friend requests one way or 
another.
Patrick Molloy

On 1/11/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
Well, I stand corrected, apparently if you "protect" your tweets,
which I do not do, you have to accept follow requests.

Dave

At 06:37 PM 1/10/2012, you wrote:
Then what were the rest of the people in this thread talking 
about
when they said, for example, that they "use sighted assistance to
accept follower requests?"

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity,
blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:07:29 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Twitter question

Twitter is not like Facebook, you don't accept or deny
requests.  Anyone can follow you, and you can follow anyone.

A number of blind persons use various clients on the iPhone, Many 
of
us used Qwitter, which is no longer in development, replaced by
quitmonger, dna the cube.  There is also an accessible web site,
easychirp.com.

Dave

At 09:58 AM 1/9/2012, you wrote:
I'm curious to find out: How do         people accept foller 
requests on
Twitter? I'm using JAWsS version 12.
Thanks,
Patrick


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 03:51:07 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:51:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Preferences was Re: Results of my Rehab meeting
Message-ID: <4f10fbd6.649dec0a.326e.ffffb74c@mx.google.com>

Yes, I agree.  I was just sharing what I do.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:45:13 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Preferences was Re:  Results of my 
Rehab meeting

Each person has his/her own preference on what format to use, and 
that may
be different for different subjects, but no one person is right 
or wrong.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


 Except for math, yes.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real
 problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a
 blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness 
can be
 reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:06:49 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

 Hi,
 Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on 
audio
 rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use 
braille in
 college.
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


 I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
 I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
 The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order 
to get
 my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I 
know, 6
 months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
 This is crazy!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Um...

 (1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
 offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
 had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
 Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
 2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
 took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
 can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
 Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

 Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
 The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
 be
 able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
 The bad news, is as follows.
 #1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
 #2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
 #3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
 Music
 Appreciation, but there's one problem!
 It's another compressed video class!
 #4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
 They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
 other
 Science class, in the Fall.
 That's a community college for you!
 Oh well!
 At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
 Blessings, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 03:51:08 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:51:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness
Message-ID: <4f10fbd7.649dec0a.326e.ffffb74d@mx.google.com>

That's what I thought.  JAWS costs over a thousand, let alone a 
notetaker.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:07:18 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of 
blindness

Chris,
the pacmate costs over  a thousand too.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:35 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of 
blindness

Well, my guess is they'll have to get a referral.  I don't know
about the price of a PacMate, but the BrailleNote costs a lot
more than $1000.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:29:15 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of
blindness

LOL!
I haven't got it yet.
If it's over $1000, they have to get a referral.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/11/12, Amy Phelps <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
We aren't all perfect and sometimes I call things names that are
totally
different and have been known to call people I have known for
decades the
wrong name or forgotten their name completely.  I'm just glad
you got the
pacmate instead of a packman

Thanks!
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Anjelina
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:03 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of
blindness

Joshua,
I don't mean any disrespect, but could it have been a mistake by
your rehab
counselor?
At times I mix up words or call items by different names; I
don't think this
is a matter of ignorance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:26 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab Counselors, and ignorance of blindness

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I'd like to discuss a topic, that has come up, in my life.
I was telling you, that I might receive a Pac Mate, from my
Rehab office.
I'm not sure, if I told you, that my Rehab counselor slipped,
and called it
a "Packman."
That's crazy, because I thought rehab counselors should, at
least, have some
knowledge of assistive technology, for the blind, that they're
supposed to
be assisting.
Has anyone had trouble in the past, with Rehab counselors, in
regards to
this?
What can we do, to stop this ignorance from spreading, within
the state VR
system?
Thanks, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 03:50:56 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:50:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar
Message-ID: <4f10fbcb.649dec0a.326e.ffffb742@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth,

Amy is looking for information about the students seminar.  But 
thanks for the link to the main Seminar page.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:15:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar

You can find general information about Washington Seminar, 
including the
legislative fact sheets at the following address:

www.nfb.org/nfb/Washington_Seminar.asp

In addition to the information on this website, and email was 
recently sent
out stating that the student seminar will be held on Monday, 
February 6,
2012.

Hope this helps,
Elizabeth


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Amy Phelps" <aphelps at BISM.org
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:08 PM
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar

 Is there a link to a website about winter seminar? We are 
wanting to
 coordinate a weekend event that wraps up with attending the 
winter seminar
 but I can't seem to find a link or the info.  Does someone have 
it handy so
 I don't have to dig around for it.  Thanks

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[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf Of Alexander Castillo
 Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:05 PM
 To: nabs-l
 Subject: [nabs-l] Blogs and off topic responses

 Hello all, the best way to find out if a blog or site is 
accessible is to
 try it first, see if there are any barriers which come up, and 
then see if
 there is work-around that may fix any accessibility issues.

 Blogger, to my knowledge is accessible at least, if you want to 
create a
 basic blog.  I'm sure that pictures, videos, and links can be 
accessible as
 well, but I have personally never played around with the 
options.  I kept a
 blog documenting my experiences at LCB and found it very simple.  
You can
 check it out at

 http://waysofthecane.blogspot.com/

 Also, let's try to keep this list free of negative responses.  
Often times
 these negative responses are irrelevant, and simply do nothing 
but clutter
 up our mailboxes.

 It's great that we have such an active list.  Let's remember 
that there is
 a difference between discussion, and argument.

 Thanks for reading,
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 03:54:12 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:54:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
Message-ID: <4f10fc8f.0b52650a.2460.ffffd06f@mx.google.com>

Oh yes, I totally agree! I still use hardcopy for a lot of 
things, including some tests.  My standardized tests are all in 
hardcopy Braille, which looks like a novel, but that's OK with 
me.  I believe you can use technology when it is available to 
you, but you need a backup in case that technology doesn't work 
or does something weird; that backup is hardcopy Braille.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:14:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Chris,
I had hard copy braille in high school and bookshare did not 
exist then.
I think you need to keep up reading hard copy braille and do so 
fluently;
otherwise you are doing yourself a disservice.  You may hate the 
heavy
volumes of braille.  I had trouble carrying all of them, but I'm 
glad I
learned and practiced reading.  I say this because you read 
differently in
real braille.  You read with two hands and split mid line.  The 
right hand
finishes the line and the left hand moves down and waits for the 
right.  The
left acts as a place holder kind of.  You only see one line of 
text with a
braille display.  I'm glad you have some braille, even if its 
electronic.  But
due to the heavy and space limitations of braille, I feel 
teachers push
audio.  After all, the vr stream is so light and compact.

Gee kids are spoiled these days.  Bookshare and textbooks on your 
braille
computer.  Unheard of when I was in school.  Me thinks this opens 
the door for
cheating too when doing tests; unless you take those in hard copy 
braille.
Oh, and I did that.  I actually read those fifty question 
multiple choice
tests in braille for multiple subjects and brailled my answers on 
the
brailler; and then my TVI put them on the print test or scantron.  
Woe,
things have change, and somewhat for the worse.
We need to keep up our braille skills after all the braillenote 
might crash
and will you take that thing to say a public speech? hmm.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

I have my textbooks either on my Stream in audio format from RFBD
or from Bookshare in BRF format on my BrailleNote.  I'll tell
you; that Stream was a life-saver, what with 30 volumes of
Braille a textbook!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:26:10 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

you can also get books and put them on your computer in word or
pdf files
and you can search quick and also work on your spelling.  I am
not against
braille by no means I myself am a braille reader, but I am just
suggesting a
way that won't break your back or arms by carrying braille books
in your
back pack.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


To me, the ideal way would be to have both.  I would want an
audio one
that would be on an sd card and the like, and another file on my
apex for
quick searches in class or other activities.  Also to me, having
it in
braille, greatly assist me in my spelling looking better than it
might
otherwise.  I know, it's nice to dream.

Loren



-----Original Message-----
From: Gloria G
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Hi,
Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on
audio
rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use
braille in
college.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order
to get
my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I
know, 6
months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
This is crazy!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
Um...

(1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
be
able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
The bad news, is as follows.
#1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
#2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
#3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
Music
Appreciation, but there's one problem!
It's another compressed video class!
#4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
other
Science class, in the Fall.
That's a community college for you!
Oh well!
At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
Blessings, Joshua

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 14 04:56:40 2012
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:56:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar
In-Reply-To: <4f10fbcb.649dec0a.326e.ffffb742@mx.google.com>
References: <4f10fbcb.649dec0a.326e.ffffb742@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-DS16C32DCD02FBBF06A00009BA9D0@phx.gbl>

Hello Chris,

Yes, I realized this after reading her response to my previous message. I 
chose to contact her off list, and all is good.

I have not checked the website lately, but perhaps it might be a good idea 
for someone to post the information from Sean's email on the website if this 
has not already been done.

I understand more information about the event is forthcoming, but some 
general information on the website may be helpful for those who overlooked 
the email message, and need to refer to the information again.

Elizabeth



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:50 PM
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar

> Hi Elizabeth,
>
> Amy is looking for information about the students seminar.  But thanks for 
> the link to the main Seminar page.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real 
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a 
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be 
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:15:51 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar
>
> You can find general information about Washington Seminar, including the
> legislative fact sheets at the following address:
>
> www.nfb.org/nfb/Washington_Seminar.asp
>
> In addition to the information on this website, and email was recently 
> sent
> out stating that the student seminar will be held on Monday, February 6,
> 2012.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Elizabeth
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Amy Phelps" <aphelps at BISM.org
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:08 PM
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar
>
> Is there a link to a website about winter seminar? We are wanting to
> coordinate a weekend event that wraps up with attending the winter seminar
> but I can't seem to find a link or the info.  Does someone have it handy 
> so
> I don't have to dig around for it.  Thanks
>
> Thanks!
> Amy C.  Phelps
> 410-737-2642
>
> Follow us: Facebook - Bism YouthPrograms
> Twitter @BISM_Youth
>
> Help sponsor our youth program activities Donate
>
>
>
> "...given proper training and opportunity, the average blind person can do
> the average job in the average place of business and do it as well as his
> or her sighted neighbor..." --Dr.  Kenneth Jernigan, quoted in "Freedom 
> for
> the Blind" by James H.  Omvig
>
> Confidentiality Note:  The information contained in this message may be
> privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure.  If the reader
> of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent
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> message and deleting it from your computer.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Alexander Castillo
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:05 PM
> To: nabs-l
> Subject: [nabs-l] Blogs and off topic responses
>
> Hello all, the best way to find out if a blog or site is accessible is to
> try it first, see if there are any barriers which come up, and then see if
> there is work-around that may fix any accessibility issues.
>
> Blogger, to my knowledge is accessible at least, if you want to create a
> basic blog.  I'm sure that pictures, videos, and links can be accessible 
> as
> well, but I have personally never played around with the options.  I kept 
> a
> blog documenting my experiences at LCB and found it very simple.  You can
> check it out at
>
> http://waysofthecane.blogspot.com/
>
> Also, let's try to keep this list free of negative responses.  Often times
> these negative responses are irrelevant, and simply do nothing but clutter
> up our mailboxes.
>
> It's great that we have such an active list.  Let's remember that there is
> a difference between discussion, and argument.
>
> Thanks for reading,
> Alex
>
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From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:23:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] web visum: invitation codes?
Message-ID: <CAMJOM=1uHoVfF1ntTyxGOvGJpnOZVTkirtcwd=9aXAqBZM4fdA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am interested in registering for Web Visum, as I feel it would make
me more independent by allowing me to solve captchas without the need
of audio or visual help. But, on the registration page it says I need
an invitation code, or something of that nature. Does anyone know how
i can get one? If so, please let me know.
Thanks!
Best,
Josh

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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sat Jan 14 05:26:27 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:26:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] web visum: invitation codes?
References: <CAMJOM=1uHoVfF1ntTyxGOvGJpnOZVTkirtcwd=9aXAqBZM4fdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5FCB87CA7F0842D3A0D982E2039789A1@stanford.edu>

No, you do not need a invitation code. I do not remember the exact process, 
but you should be able to just write that you are blind.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "josh gregory" <joshkart12 at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:23 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] web visum: invitation codes?


> Hello,
>
> I am interested in registering for Web Visum, as I feel it would make
> me more independent by allowing me to solve captchas without the need
> of audio or visual help. But, on the registration page it says I need
> an invitation code, or something of that nature. Does anyone know how
> i can get one? If so, please let me know.
> Thanks!
> Best,
> Josh
>
> -- 
> Sent via gmail.com
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
> Skype: joshgregory93
> twitter: JoshG93
>
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From joshkart12 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 05:55:49 2012
From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:55:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] web visum: invitation codes?
In-Reply-To: <5FCB87CA7F0842D3A0D982E2039789A1@stanford.edu>
References: <CAMJOM=1uHoVfF1ntTyxGOvGJpnOZVTkirtcwd=9aXAqBZM4fdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FCB87CA7F0842D3A0D982E2039789A1@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <CAMJOM=3W0tt+WTxOoY6rQ80_CqwpcxJ=6fgheHNG11fjg+7VrA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, interesting... in the invite box?

On 1/13/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> No, you do not need a invitation code. I do not remember the exact process,
> but you should be able to just write that you are blind.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "josh gregory" <joshkart12 at gmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:23 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] web visum: invitation codes?
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am interested in registering for Web Visum, as I feel it would make
>> me more independent by allowing me to solve captchas without the need
>> of audio or visual help. But, on the registration page it says I need
>> an invitation code, or something of that nature. Does anyone know how
>> i can get one? If so, please let me know.
>> Thanks!
>> Best,
>> Josh
>>
>> --
>> Sent via gmail.com
>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>> Skype: joshgregory93
>> twitter: JoshG93
>>
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 11:58:28 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:58:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] web visum: invitation codes?
In-Reply-To: <CAMJOM=3W0tt+WTxOoY6rQ80_CqwpcxJ=6fgheHNG11fjg+7VrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMJOM=1uHoVfF1ntTyxGOvGJpnOZVTkirtcwd=9aXAqBZM4fdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FCB87CA7F0842D3A0D982E2039789A1@stanford.edu>
	<CAMJOM=3W0tt+WTxOoY6rQ80_CqwpcxJ=6fgheHNG11fjg+7VrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3227409602719100333@unknownmsgid>

I did this a long time ago, but I think you need to email the address
they give you saying that you're blind. I remember them sending me an
invitation code very quickly.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2012, at 12:57 AM, josh gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, interesting... in the invite box?
>
> On 1/13/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> No, you do not need a invitation code. I do not remember the exact process,
>> but you should be able to just write that you are blind.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "josh gregory" <joshkart12 at gmail.com>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:23 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] web visum: invitation codes?
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am interested in registering for Web Visum, as I feel it would make
>>> me more independent by allowing me to solve captchas without the need
>>> of audio or visual help. But, on the registration page it says I need
>>> an invitation code, or something of that nature. Does anyone know how
>>> i can get one? If so, please let me know.
>>> Thanks!
>>> Best,
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent via gmail.com
>>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>>> Skype: joshgregory93
>>> twitter: JoshG93
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Sat Jan 14 16:53:19 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:53:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read on DVD
Message-ID: <005701ccd2dd$0584dae0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good morning everyone,

                 We are writing to those who are in charge of 
chapter-sponsored
Braille classes regarding the video _That _the _Blind _May _Read. According
to Ellen Ringlein, manager of the Independence Market, _That _the _Blind
_May _Read is now free of charge but is only on VHS videocassette, and so 
far, it is neither on the
Web site as a downloadable file nor is it on DVD. Videocassette 
players/recorders are an endangered species these days making it difficult 
to show presentations not available on DVD or as an Internet download. So 
far, there are no plans
to put this video on DVD.

    Those who saw this video when it was released in 1985 recall its 
powerful message which sadly is still very much true today. Braille is an 
essential skill for independence, life-long learning, and full participation 
in society.
Those denied Braille instruction as a child suffer life-long consequences as 
illustrated by the testimonies of the blind adults featured in that video.

                If we can work with Dr. Maurer, Ed Morman, and our national 
office , perhaps "That the Blind May Read" could be made available as a DVD 
or as a
downloadable file from the NFB Web Site. We wanted to show it at a future 
Chapter Braille
class, but now, We'll have to substitute one of the other shorter videos
such as _What _Braille _Means _to _Me.

 When we  first saw _That _the
_Blind _May _Read at a state convention, we , along with everyone else in 
the
room, got very emotional. There was lots of cleanex being passed around that 
afternoon. We all care for Braille and want to have as many people learn the 
skill as possible before the 2015 goal. Let's see what
we can do to preserve _That _the _Blind _May _Read as a download and/or on
DVD.                May you all have a great New Year!


 Peter and Mary Donahue



From joshkart12 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 19:27:50 2012
From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:27:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] web visum: invitation codes?
In-Reply-To: <3227409602719100333@unknownmsgid>
References: <CAMJOM=1uHoVfF1ntTyxGOvGJpnOZVTkirtcwd=9aXAqBZM4fdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FCB87CA7F0842D3A0D982E2039789A1@stanford.edu>
	<CAMJOM=3W0tt+WTxOoY6rQ80_CqwpcxJ=6fgheHNG11fjg+7VrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<3227409602719100333@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <CAMJOM=1BgeeYLnGixHZS2hiYtStY9WBHGGfrEzpAzcbdaav-nw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I went to the invitations link and requested one from there. Would
that be the same thing, or not? Thanks!

On 1/14/12, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
> I did this a long time ago, but I think you need to email the address
> they give you saying that you're blind. I remember them sending me an
> invitation code very quickly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2012, at 12:57 AM, josh gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, interesting... in the invite box?
>>
>> On 1/13/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> No, you do not need a invitation code. I do not remember the exact
>>> process,
>>> but you should be able to just write that you are blind.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "josh gregory" <joshkart12 at gmail.com>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:23 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] web visum: invitation codes?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in registering for Web Visum, as I feel it would make
>>>> me more independent by allowing me to solve captchas without the need
>>>> of audio or visual help. But, on the registration page it says I need
>>>> an invitation code, or something of that nature. Does anyone know how
>>>> i can get one? If so, please let me know.
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Best,
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent via gmail.com
>>>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>>>> Skype: joshgregory93
>>>> twitter: JoshG93
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>> Skype: joshgregory93
>> twitter: JoshG93
>>
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 19:30:27 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:30:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] web visum: invitation codes?
In-Reply-To: <CAMJOM=1BgeeYLnGixHZS2hiYtStY9WBHGGfrEzpAzcbdaav-nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMJOM=1uHoVfF1ntTyxGOvGJpnOZVTkirtcwd=9aXAqBZM4fdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FCB87CA7F0842D3A0D982E2039789A1@stanford.edu>
	<CAMJOM=3W0tt+WTxOoY6rQ80_CqwpcxJ=6fgheHNG11fjg+7VrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<3227409602719100333@unknownmsgid>
	<CAMJOM=1BgeeYLnGixHZS2hiYtStY9WBHGGfrEzpAzcbdaav-nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6625534763488756276@unknownmsgid>

Yes!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2012, at 2:28 PM, josh gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, I went to the invitations link and requested one from there. Would
> that be the same thing, or not? Thanks!
>
> On 1/14/12, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I did this a long time ago, but I think you need to email the address
>> they give you saying that you're blind. I remember them sending me an
>> invitation code very quickly.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2012, at 12:57 AM, josh gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, interesting... in the invite box?
>>>
>>> On 1/13/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>> No, you do not need a invitation code. I do not remember the exact
>>>> process,
>>>> but you should be able to just write that you are blind.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "josh gregory" <joshkart12 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:23 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] web visum: invitation codes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in registering for Web Visum, as I feel it would make
>>>>> me more independent by allowing me to solve captchas without the need
>>>>> of audio or visual help. But, on the registration page it says I need
>>>>> an invitation code, or something of that nature. Does anyone know how
>>>>> i can get one? If so, please let me know.
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Josh
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent via gmail.com
>>>>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>>>>> Skype: joshgregory93
>>>>> twitter: JoshG93
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>
>
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 19:33:20 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:33:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read on DVD
In-Reply-To: <005701ccd2dd$0584dae0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <005701ccd2dd$0584dae0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <-4258149469428608182@unknownmsgid>

If you have it in VHS you can easily make a downloadable file with
your computer...

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:

> Good morning everyone,
>
>                 We are writing to those who are in charge of
> chapter-sponsored
> Braille classes regarding the video _That _the _Blind _May _Read. According
> to Ellen Ringlein, manager of the Independence Market, _That _the _Blind
> _May _Read is now free of charge but is only on VHS videocassette, and so
> far, it is neither on the
> Web site as a downloadable file nor is it on DVD. Videocassette
> players/recorders are an endangered species these days making it difficult
> to show presentations not available on DVD or as an Internet download. So
> far, there are no plans
> to put this video on DVD.
>
>    Those who saw this video when it was released in 1985 recall its
> powerful message which sadly is still very much true today. Braille is an
> essential skill for independence, life-long learning, and full participation
> in society.
> Those denied Braille instruction as a child suffer life-long consequences as
> illustrated by the testimonies of the blind adults featured in that video.
>
>                If we can work with Dr. Maurer, Ed Morman, and our national
> office , perhaps "That the Blind May Read" could be made available as a DVD
> or as a
> downloadable file from the NFB Web Site. We wanted to show it at a future
> Chapter Braille
> class, but now, We'll have to substitute one of the other shorter videos
> such as _What _Braille _Means _to _Me.
>
> When we  first saw _That _the
> _Blind _May _Read at a state convention, we , along with everyone else in
> the
> room, got very emotional. There was lots of cleanex being passed around that
> afternoon. We all care for Braille and want to have as many people learn the
> skill as possible before the 2015 goal. Let's see what
> we can do to preserve _That _the _Blind _May _Read as a download and/or on
> DVD.                May you all have a great New Year!
>
>
> Peter and Mary Donahue
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From joshkart12 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 19:37:25 2012
From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:37:25 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] web visum: invitation codes?
In-Reply-To: <6625534763488756276@unknownmsgid>
References: <CAMJOM=1uHoVfF1ntTyxGOvGJpnOZVTkirtcwd=9aXAqBZM4fdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FCB87CA7F0842D3A0D982E2039789A1@stanford.edu>
	<CAMJOM=3W0tt+WTxOoY6rQ80_CqwpcxJ=6fgheHNG11fjg+7VrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<3227409602719100333@unknownmsgid>
	<CAMJOM=1BgeeYLnGixHZS2hiYtStY9WBHGGfrEzpAzcbdaav-nw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6625534763488756276@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <CAMJOM=1RsyvgPhTb19wgoS6EYnk8W7xud_vjURGMyFSeAkG2jw@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, thanks!

On 1/14/12, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2012, at 2:28 PM, josh gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I went to the invitations link and requested one from there. Would
>> that be the same thing, or not? Thanks!
>>
>> On 1/14/12, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I did this a long time ago, but I think you need to email the address
>>> they give you saying that you're blind. I remember them sending me an
>>> invitation code very quickly.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 14, 2012, at 12:57 AM, josh gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, interesting... in the invite box?
>>>>
>>>> On 1/13/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> No, you do not need a invitation code. I do not remember the exact
>>>>> process,
>>>>> but you should be able to just write that you are blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "josh gregory" <joshkart12 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] web visum: invitation codes?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am interested in registering for Web Visum, as I feel it would make
>>>>>> me more independent by allowing me to solve captchas without the need
>>>>>> of audio or visual help. But, on the registration page it says I need
>>>>>> an invitation code, or something of that nature. Does anyone know how
>>>>>> i can get one? If so, please let me know.
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Best,
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sat Jan 14 19:38:12 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:38:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read on DVD
References: <005701ccd2dd$0584dae0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<-4258149469428608182@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <6C9BD73CAED643909D98C9CC65AD0E3B@stanford.edu>

It's possible, but I don't think that it's legal.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read on DVD


> If you have it in VHS you can easily make a downloadable file with
> your computer...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Good morning everyone,
>>
>>                 We are writing to those who are in charge of
>> chapter-sponsored
>> Braille classes regarding the video _That _the _Blind _May _Read. 
>> According
>> to Ellen Ringlein, manager of the Independence Market, _That _the _Blind
>> _May _Read is now free of charge but is only on VHS videocassette, and so
>> far, it is neither on the
>> Web site as a downloadable file nor is it on DVD. Videocassette
>> players/recorders are an endangered species these days making it 
>> difficult
>> to show presentations not available on DVD or as an Internet download. So
>> far, there are no plans
>> to put this video on DVD.
>>
>>    Those who saw this video when it was released in 1985 recall its
>> powerful message which sadly is still very much true today. Braille is an
>> essential skill for independence, life-long learning, and full 
>> participation
>> in society.
>> Those denied Braille instruction as a child suffer life-long consequences 
>> as
>> illustrated by the testimonies of the blind adults featured in that 
>> video.
>>
>>                If we can work with Dr. Maurer, Ed Morman, and our 
>> national
>> office , perhaps "That the Blind May Read" could be made available as a 
>> DVD
>> or as a
>> downloadable file from the NFB Web Site. We wanted to show it at a future
>> Chapter Braille
>> class, but now, We'll have to substitute one of the other shorter videos
>> such as _What _Braille _Means _to _Me.
>>
>> When we  first saw _That _the
>> _Blind _May _Read at a state convention, we , along with everyone else in
>> the
>> room, got very emotional. There was lots of cleanex being passed around 
>> that
>> afternoon. We all care for Braille and want to have as many people learn 
>> the
>> skill as possible before the 2015 goal. Let's see what
>> we can do to preserve _That _the _Blind _May _Read as a download and/or 
>> on
>> DVD.                May you all have a great New Year!
>>
>>
>> Peter and Mary Donahue
>>
>>
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 21:04:07 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:04:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read on DVD
In-Reply-To: <6C9BD73CAED643909D98C9CC65AD0E3B@stanford.edu>
References: <005701ccd2dd$0584dae0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<-4258149469428608182@unknownmsgid>
	<6C9BD73CAED643909D98C9CC65AD0E3B@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <3254323311037064008@unknownmsgid>

It's legal as long as you own the original VHS. In other words, as
long as the cassette is yours and you aren't planning on distributing
the file you can use it to show the documentary for your presentation.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2012, at 2:40 PM, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home"
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> It's possible, but I don't think that it's legal.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read on DVD
>
>
>> If you have it in VHS you can easily make a downloadable file with
>> your computer...
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning everyone,
>>>
>>>                We are writing to those who are in charge of
>>> chapter-sponsored
>>> Braille classes regarding the video _That _the _Blind _May _Read. According
>>> to Ellen Ringlein, manager of the Independence Market, _That _the _Blind
>>> _May _Read is now free of charge but is only on VHS videocassette, and so
>>> far, it is neither on the
>>> Web site as a downloadable file nor is it on DVD. Videocassette
>>> players/recorders are an endangered species these days making it difficult
>>> to show presentations not available on DVD or as an Internet download. So
>>> far, there are no plans
>>> to put this video on DVD.
>>>
>>>   Those who saw this video when it was released in 1985 recall its
>>> powerful message which sadly is still very much true today. Braille is an
>>> essential skill for independence, life-long learning, and full participation
>>> in society.
>>> Those denied Braille instruction as a child suffer life-long consequences as
>>> illustrated by the testimonies of the blind adults featured in that video.
>>>
>>>               If we can work with Dr. Maurer, Ed Morman, and our national
>>> office , perhaps "That the Blind May Read" could be made available as a DVD
>>> or as a
>>> downloadable file from the NFB Web Site. We wanted to show it at a future
>>> Chapter Braille
>>> class, but now, We'll have to substitute one of the other shorter videos
>>> such as _What _Braille _Means _to _Me.
>>>
>>> When we  first saw _That _the
>>> _Blind _May _Read at a state convention, we , along with everyone else in
>>> the
>>> room, got very emotional. There was lots of cleanex being passed around that
>>> afternoon. We all care for Braille and want to have as many people learn the
>>> skill as possible before the 2015 goal. Let's see what
>>> we can do to preserve _That _the _Blind _May _Read as a download and/or on
>>> DVD.                May you all have a great New Year!
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter and Mary Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 14 21:15:34 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:15:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read on DVD
In-Reply-To: <005701ccd2dd$0584dae0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <005701ccd2dd$0584dae0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <A64E4FCE8C664279A08D37DB30A87180@OwnerPC>

good idea. Most schools still have a few VCR's though. A few years ago, I 
saw pbs documentaries in a communications class on VHS. I also saw this very 
video referenced below on VHS in 2002; my TVI showed it before we graduated.
I'm just saying these machines are still around; however, yes such an 
important video should be converted to DVD.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 11:53 AM
To: NFB History Support List
Cc: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children) ; San 
Antonio Texas Chapter Mailing List ; Professionals in Blindness Education 
Division List ; nfb-talk at nfbnet.org ; Jose Martinez ; NFBnet Blind Talk 
Mailing List ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; Bryan Baldwin ; Rehabilitation Counselor 
Mailing List ; NFBnet National Association to Promote the Use of Braille 
MailingList
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read on DVD

Good morning everyone,

                 We are writing to those who are in charge of
chapter-sponsored
Braille classes regarding the video _That _the _Blind _May _Read. According
to Ellen Ringlein, manager of the Independence Market, _That _the _Blind
_May _Read is now free of charge but is only on VHS videocassette, and so
far, it is neither on the
Web site as a downloadable file nor is it on DVD. Videocassette
players/recorders are an endangered species these days making it difficult
to show presentations not available on DVD or as an Internet download. So
far, there are no plans
to put this video on DVD.

    Those who saw this video when it was released in 1985 recall its
powerful message which sadly is still very much true today. Braille is an
essential skill for independence, life-long learning, and full participation
in society.
Those denied Braille instruction as a child suffer life-long consequences as
illustrated by the testimonies of the blind adults featured in that video.

                If we can work with Dr. Maurer, Ed Morman, and our national
office , perhaps "That the Blind May Read" could be made available as a DVD
or as a
downloadable file from the NFB Web Site. We wanted to show it at a future
Chapter Braille
class, but now, We'll have to substitute one of the other shorter videos
such as _What _Braille _Means _to _Me.

When we  first saw _That _the
_Blind _May _Read at a state convention, we , along with everyone else in
the
room, got very emotional. There was lots of cleanex being passed around that
afternoon. We all care for Braille and want to have as many people learn the
skill as possible before the 2015 goal. Let's see what
we can do to preserve _That _the _Blind _May _Read as a download and/or on
DVD.                May you all have a great New Year!


Peter and Mary Donahue


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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Sat Jan 14 21:46:02 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 15:46:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read on DVD
References: <005701ccd2dd$0584dae0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn><-4258149469428608182@unknownmsgid><6C9BD73CAED643909D98C9CC65AD0E3B@stanford.edu>
	<3254323311037064008@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <000701ccd305$e95a05b0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good afternoon everyone,

    Question. Do we only want this to be available to a few select chapters 
or allow our entire organization to have access to it? Considering the big 
picture and the need to protect our intellectual property I'd rather see any 
analog to digital conversion of our audio and video material coordinated by 
the national office. If Dr. Maurer receives multiple requests for a digital 
rendering of "That_the_Blind_May_Read" and other videos and the conversions 
can be done in a cost-effected manner this will happen unless plans are in 
place to produce an updated video on the Braille Literacy Crisis in America. 
When discussing this with Ellen Ringline yesterday I was not made aware of 
any plans to replace "That_the_Blind_May_Read" with a new and updated video.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read on DVD


It's legal as long as you own the original VHS. In other words, as
long as the cassette is yours and you aren't planning on distributing
the file you can use it to show the documentary for your presentation.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2012, at 2:40 PM, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home"
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> It's possible, but I don't think that it's legal.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" 
> <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read on DVD
>
>
>> If you have it in VHS you can easily make a downloadable file with
>> your computer...
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning everyone,
>>>
>>>                We are writing to those who are in charge of
>>> chapter-sponsored
>>> Braille classes regarding the video _That _the _Blind _May _Read. 
>>> According
>>> to Ellen Ringlein, manager of the Independence Market, _That _the _Blind
>>> _May _Read is now free of charge but is only on VHS videocassette, and 
>>> so
>>> far, it is neither on the
>>> Web site as a downloadable file nor is it on DVD. Videocassette
>>> players/recorders are an endangered species these days making it 
>>> difficult
>>> to show presentations not available on DVD or as an Internet download. 
>>> So
>>> far, there are no plans
>>> to put this video on DVD.
>>>
>>>   Those who saw this video when it was released in 1985 recall its
>>> powerful message which sadly is still very much true today. Braille is 
>>> an
>>> essential skill for independence, life-long learning, and full 
>>> participation
>>> in society.
>>> Those denied Braille instruction as a child suffer life-long 
>>> consequences as
>>> illustrated by the testimonies of the blind adults featured in that 
>>> video.
>>>
>>>               If we can work with Dr. Maurer, Ed Morman, and our 
>>> national
>>> office , perhaps "That the Blind May Read" could be made available as a 
>>> DVD
>>> or as a
>>> downloadable file from the NFB Web Site. We wanted to show it at a 
>>> future
>>> Chapter Braille
>>> class, but now, We'll have to substitute one of the other shorter videos
>>> such as _What _Braille _Means _to _Me.
>>>
>>> When we  first saw _That _the
>>> _Blind _May _Read at a state convention, we , along with everyone else 
>>> in
>>> the
>>> room, got very emotional. There was lots of cleanex being passed around 
>>> that
>>> afternoon. We all care for Braille and want to have as many people learn 
>>> the
>>> skill as possible before the 2015 goal. Let's see what
>>> we can do to preserve _That _the _Blind _May _Read as a download and/or 
>>> on
>>> DVD.                May you all have a great New Year!
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter and Mary Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From brice.smith319 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 00:00:24 2012
From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:00:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Yoga Course
Message-ID: <CAL=h+ug96rtiR+V8HKKBe0czAs+PNF_+zC_aP3-FmZb217g4=w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Has anyone here ever taken a mainstream yoga class? I'm scrambling
like mad to find my final required PE course this semester before I
graduate in May. Unfortunately, my two internship schedules keep me
from taking just about anything else offered -- and an evening yoga
class that meets for eight weeks starting at the end of February is
about all that's left that fits my schedule.

So how accessible and/or visual are yoga classes, especially for
someone like me who barely knows what yoga even is?

Just trying to graduate ...

Brice

-- 
Brice Smith
North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations
Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 00:15:52 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:15:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone else having problems with downloading NABS business
	meeting?
Message-ID: <4f121ae5.0697640a.526a.32c2@mx.google.com>

Hi everyone,

Is anyone else besides me having problems downloading the 
recording of the business meeting of the National Association of 
Blind Students (NABS) from national convention from 
nabslinkaudio.org? I'm getting a "HTTP 404 page not found" error 
when clicking on the link to download the recording.  Has anyone 
else had this problem?
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 00:15:50 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:15:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions
Message-ID: <4f121ae4.0697640a.526a.32c1@mx.google.com>

Hi everyone,

I am having some problems/questions with/about Windows Media 
Player and WinAmp that I hope you can help with.

1.  Whenever I try to play a file from the Internet, either a 
live radio stream or a recorded MP3 or M3U file, it starts to 
play, then about 5 seconds into the file, a dialog will come up 
which says: "Windows media player dialog: Windows Media Player 
has stopped working.  Windows is trying to identify the 
problem...  Windows is checking online for a solution.  Close 
program button." I tried playing some music that was in my 
Windows Media Player library already, with the same result.  How 
can I fix this and what might be wrong with the player?
2.  After hearing good reviews from blind people about the 
accessibility and ease of use of Winamp, I downloaded the latest 
version of that program.  My friend told me that when I 
downloaded the program, WinAmp would set itself as my default 
player.  However, when I go to listen to a stream from the 
Internet, it still wants to play in Windows Media Player, but 
that doesn't work because of the problem I described above.  So 
how do I manually tell my computer to play everything in WinAmp 
by default?
3.  Is there a way in Winamp and/or Windows Media Player to 
control the volume of audio playing through the media player 
without effecting the volume of the whole computer? One of the 
problems I have when playing media files is that I can't do 
anything else on my computer while media is playing, as the audio 
in whatever file I'm listening to drowns out JAWS so much that I 
can't hear JAWS.  But if I press and hold the F9 key, it lowers 
the volume of all audio coming out of the computer; that of the 
audio file and that of JAWS.  So how do I lower the media volume 
without lowering JAWS's volume so I can listen to music in the 
background and still do something on my computer?
4.  (and final) How do I tell Windows Media Player to download a 
file from the Internet onto my computer rather than stream it? 
How do I do the same in WinAmp? I'm using the latest versions of 
Windows Media Player and WinAmp, Windows 7 and JAWS 12.

I hope you can help me with some or all of these questions! Sorry 
for the long email with so many questions to answer.
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 15 00:41:51 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:41:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Yoga Course
In-Reply-To: <CAL=h+ug96rtiR+V8HKKBe0czAs+PNF_+zC_aP3-FmZb217g4=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=h+ug96rtiR+V8HKKBe0czAs+PNF_+zC_aP3-FmZb217g4=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14CF8E43BA6B44D28F0F727A6344751C@OwnerPC>

oh boy. Good luck. I tried kundalini yoga but that is more meditative than 
regular yoga; it would have been fine, but that summer I had conflicts.
Have the instructor be verbal and show you what to do. Since it’s the 
college, he/she should have office hours; they could help you then too.
Yoga is a series of positions, called poses, where you hold them for a 
period of time and then move on. Its done on the floor plus a few standing 
poses. Many people find it relaxing.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Brice Smith
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:00 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Yoga Course

Hi,

Has anyone here ever taken a mainstream yoga class? I'm scrambling
like mad to find my final required PE course this semester before I
graduate in May. Unfortunately, my two internship schedules keep me
from taking just about anything else offered -- and an evening yoga
class that meets for eight weeks starting at the end of February is
about all that's left that fits my schedule.

So how accessible and/or visual are yoga classes, especially for
someone like me who barely knows what yoga even is?

Just trying to graduate ...

Brice

-- 
Brice Smith
North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations
Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 01:39:22 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:39:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read on DVD
Message-ID: <4f122e76.032d640a.2e97.7fc8@mx.google.com>

But for what Peter wants to know, he'd still need to get approval 
from the national office to put it on the NFB site, even if he 
made the downloadable file himself.  But he could make the 
downloadable file and show it at the chapter meeting even before 
he got approval from the national office...

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:33:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read 
on DVD

If you have it in VHS you can easily make a downloadable file 
with
your computer...

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Peter Donahue 
<pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:

 Good morning everyone,

                 We are writing to those who are in charge of
 chapter-sponsored
 Braille classes regarding the video _That _the _Blind _May 
_Read.  According
 to Ellen Ringlein, manager of the Independence Market, _That 
_the _Blind
 _May _Read is now free of charge but is only on VHS 
videocassette, and so
 far, it is neither on the
 Web site as a downloadable file nor is it on DVD.  Videocassette
 players/recorders are an endangered species these days making it 
difficult
 to show presentations not available on DVD or as an Internet 
download.  So
 far, there are no plans
 to put this video on DVD.

    Those who saw this video when it was released in 1985 recall 
its
 powerful message which sadly is still very much true today.  
Braille is an
 essential skill for independence, life-long learning, and full 
participation
 in society.
 Those denied Braille instruction as a child suffer life-long 
consequences as
 illustrated by the testimonies of the blind adults featured in 
that video.

                If we can work with Dr.  Maurer, Ed Morman, and 
our national
 office , perhaps "That the Blind May Read" could be made 
available as a DVD
 or as a
 downloadable file from the NFB Web Site.  We wanted to show it 
at a future
 Chapter Braille
 class, but now, We'll have to substitute one of the other 
shorter videos
 such as _What _Braille _Means _to _Me.

 When we  first saw _That _the
 _Blind _May _Read at a state convention, we , along with 
everyone else in
 the
 room, got very emotional.  There was lots of cleanex being 
passed around that
 afternoon.  We all care for Braille and want to have as many 
people learn the
 skill as possible before the 2015 goal.  Let's see what
 we can do to preserve _That _the _Blind _May _Read as a download 
and/or on
 DVD.                May you all have a great New Year!


 Peter and Mary Donahue


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 01:39:23 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:39:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read on DVD
Message-ID: <4f122e77.032d640a.2e97.7fc9@mx.google.com>

But it's copyrighted by the NFB, so you'd have to get approval 
from the national office, right?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:04:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May _Read 
on DVD

It's legal as long as you own the original VHS.  In other words, 
as
long as the cassette is yours and you aren't planning on 
distributing
the file you can use it to show the documentary for your 
presentation.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2012, at 2:40 PM, "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home"
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

 It's possible, but I don't think that it's legal.

 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" 
<ignasicambra at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 11:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindkid] _That _the _Blind _May 
_Read on DVD


 If you have it in VHS you can easily make a downloadable file 
with
 your computer...

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Peter Donahue 
<pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:

 Good morning everyone,

                We are writing to those who are in charge of
 chapter-sponsored
 Braille classes regarding the video _That _the _Blind _May 
_Read.  According
 to Ellen Ringlein, manager of the Independence Market, _That 
_the _Blind
 _May _Read is now free of charge but is only on VHS 
videocassette, and so
 far, it is neither on the
 Web site as a downloadable file nor is it on DVD.  Videocassette
 players/recorders are an endangered species these days making it 
difficult
 to show presentations not available on DVD or as an Internet 
download.  So
 far, there are no plans
 to put this video on DVD.

   Those who saw this video when it was released in 1985 recall 
its
 powerful message which sadly is still very much true today.  
Braille is an
 essential skill for independence, life-long learning, and full 
participation
 in society.
 Those denied Braille instruction as a child suffer life-long 
consequences as
 illustrated by the testimonies of the blind adults featured in 
that video.

               If we can work with Dr.  Maurer, Ed Morman, and 
our national
 office , perhaps "That the Blind May Read" could be made 
available as a DVD
 or as a
 downloadable file from the NFB Web Site.  We wanted to show it 
at a future
 Chapter Braille
 class, but now, We'll have to substitute one of the other 
shorter videos
 such as _What _Braille _Means _to _Me.

 When we  first saw _That _the
 _Blind _May _Read at a state convention, we , along with 
everyone else in
 the
 room, got very emotional.  There was lots of cleanex being 
passed around that
 afternoon.  We all care for Braille and want to have as many 
people learn the
 skill as possible before the 2015 goal.  Let's see what
 we can do to preserve _That _the _Blind _May _Read as a download 
and/or on
 DVD.                May you all have a great New Year!


 Peter and Mary Donahue


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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 00:31:45 2012
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:31:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions
In-Reply-To: <4f121ae4.0697640a.526a.32c1@mx.google.com>
References: <4f121ae4.0697640a.526a.32c1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAHox4DK1-XWfzGBSWDECzvikwMEUfhboBPSs9yUKxqdywdFmtA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.

I have that same problem with Windows media player when trying to
stream audio.  I have not been able to figure it out either.  If you
use your up and down arrow keys in winamp, they control the volume.
Right and left arrow keys will rewind and fast forward, and up and
down arrow keys will turn the volume up and down respectively.  This
should not affect anything else running on the computer.  At least, it
doesn't on my computer.

I have found winamp much easier to use than windows media player, but
it doesn't do things such as burn cds and play video.  Hope this helps
and looking forward to hearing if anyone else has struggled with the
windows media player streaming problem.

On 1/14/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am having some problems/questions with/about Windows Media
> Player and WinAmp that I hope you can help with.
>
> 1.  Whenever I try to play a file from the Internet, either a
> live radio stream or a recorded MP3 or M3U file, it starts to
> play, then about 5 seconds into the file, a dialog will come up
> which says: "Windows media player dialog: Windows Media Player
> has stopped working.  Windows is trying to identify the
> problem...  Windows is checking online for a solution.  Close
> program button." I tried playing some music that was in my
> Windows Media Player library already, with the same result.  How
> can I fix this and what might be wrong with the player?
> 2.  After hearing good reviews from blind people about the
> accessibility and ease of use of Winamp, I downloaded the latest
> version of that program.  My friend told me that when I
> downloaded the program, WinAmp would set itself as my default
> player.  However, when I go to listen to a stream from the
> Internet, it still wants to play in Windows Media Player, but
> that doesn't work because of the problem I described above.  So
> how do I manually tell my computer to play everything in WinAmp
> by default?
> 3.  Is there a way in Winamp and/or Windows Media Player to
> control the volume of audio playing through the media player
> without effecting the volume of the whole computer? One of the
> problems I have when playing media files is that I can't do
> anything else on my computer while media is playing, as the audio
> in whatever file I'm listening to drowns out JAWS so much that I
> can't hear JAWS.  But if I press and hold the F9 key, it lowers
> the volume of all audio coming out of the computer; that of the
> audio file and that of JAWS.  So how do I lower the media volume
> without lowering JAWS's volume so I can listen to music in the
> background and still do something on my computer?
> 4.  (and final) How do I tell Windows Media Player to download a
> file from the Internet onto my computer rather than stream it?
> How do I do the same in WinAmp? I'm using the latest versions of
> Windows Media Player and WinAmp, Windows 7 and JAWS 12.
>
> I hope you can help me with some or all of these questions! Sorry
> for the long email with so many questions to answer.
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
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-- 
Julie McG
 Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
Eyes for the Blind

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
life."
John 3:16


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 02:19:50 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:19:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Yoga Course
In-Reply-To: <14CF8E43BA6B44D28F0F727A6344751C@OwnerPC>
References: <CAL=h+ug96rtiR+V8HKKBe0czAs+PNF_+zC_aP3-FmZb217g4=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<14CF8E43BA6B44D28F0F727A6344751C@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCKecES5u9SPrZ=kc_3rSpJJ_P64JK_4Rfo7QqY85JGeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brice and all,
I've taken yoga for three semesters now as well as a couple of short
classes, so I've worked with about four different instructors and I've
had really great experiences with it. Yoga instructors are trained to
give extensive verbal directions and they give the directions in terms
of your body position. So in other words, they will say "move your
arms to your shoulders" rather than "move your arms out" etc. I find
this especially helpful as a blind person, because I often find that
when I don't have visual context, instructions like "move in" or "move
out" don't make much sense. The yoga instructors I have worked with
will also move about the room to offer feedback to individual
students. They do this for everyone, not just blind students. Yoga
also moves a lot slower than, say, dance or aerobics classes. I'm sure
there are some bad instructors, but I think yoga is more accessible
than a lot of other group physical activities. If you get someone
who's less verbal, you can probably set up office hours with them or
pay for one or two private lessons to get caught up, but based on my
experience I don't think you'll need that. I find yoga very relaxing
and enjoyable. Good luck!
Arielle

On 1/14/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> oh boy. Good luck. I tried kundalini yoga but that is more meditative than
> regular yoga; it would have been fine, but that summer I had conflicts.
> Have the instructor be verbal and show you what to do. Since it’s the
> college, he/she should have office hours; they could help you then too.
> Yoga is a series of positions, called poses, where you hold them for a
> period of time and then move on. Its done on the floor plus a few standing
> poses. Many people find it relaxing.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brice Smith
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:00 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Yoga Course
>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone here ever taken a mainstream yoga class? I'm scrambling
> like mad to find my final required PE course this semester before I
> graduate in May. Unfortunately, my two internship schedules keep me
> from taking just about anything else offered -- and an evening yoga
> class that meets for eight weeks starting at the end of February is
> about all that's left that fits my schedule.
>
> So how accessible and/or visual are yoga classes, especially for
> someone like me who barely knows what yoga even is?
>
> Just trying to graduate ...
>
> Brice
>
> --
> Brice Smith
> North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations
> Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com
>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan 15 02:36:23 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:36:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4DK1-XWfzGBSWDECzvikwMEUfhboBPSs9yUKxqdywdFmtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f121ae4.0697640a.526a.32c1@mx.google.com>
	<CAHox4DK1-XWfzGBSWDECzvikwMEUfhboBPSs9yUKxqdywdFmtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOt7YQ1tzmcRUnGkVE_hY9gOKt1kf3Yp49UM8GupU7N6vQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Julie.
When I listen to an online radio station, sometimes it will cut out,
(WMP,) and I have to hit tab, and up, and down arrow, until it comes
back on.
I hate Winamp, because it takes too long to download, on this old lap top.
I'm hoping to trade this Acer, in for a Dell!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/14/12, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I have that same problem with Windows media player when trying to
> stream audio.  I have not been able to figure it out either.  If you
> use your up and down arrow keys in winamp, they control the volume.
> Right and left arrow keys will rewind and fast forward, and up and
> down arrow keys will turn the volume up and down respectively.  This
> should not affect anything else running on the computer.  At least, it
> doesn't on my computer.
>
> I have found winamp much easier to use than windows media player, but
> it doesn't do things such as burn cds and play video.  Hope this helps
> and looking forward to hearing if anyone else has struggled with the
> windows media player streaming problem.
>
> On 1/14/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am having some problems/questions with/about Windows Media
>> Player and WinAmp that I hope you can help with.
>>
>> 1.  Whenever I try to play a file from the Internet, either a
>> live radio stream or a recorded MP3 or M3U file, it starts to
>> play, then about 5 seconds into the file, a dialog will come up
>> which says: "Windows media player dialog: Windows Media Player
>> has stopped working.  Windows is trying to identify the
>> problem...  Windows is checking online for a solution.  Close
>> program button." I tried playing some music that was in my
>> Windows Media Player library already, with the same result.  How
>> can I fix this and what might be wrong with the player?
>> 2.  After hearing good reviews from blind people about the
>> accessibility and ease of use of Winamp, I downloaded the latest
>> version of that program.  My friend told me that when I
>> downloaded the program, WinAmp would set itself as my default
>> player.  However, when I go to listen to a stream from the
>> Internet, it still wants to play in Windows Media Player, but
>> that doesn't work because of the problem I described above.  So
>> how do I manually tell my computer to play everything in WinAmp
>> by default?
>> 3.  Is there a way in Winamp and/or Windows Media Player to
>> control the volume of audio playing through the media player
>> without effecting the volume of the whole computer? One of the
>> problems I have when playing media files is that I can't do
>> anything else on my computer while media is playing, as the audio
>> in whatever file I'm listening to drowns out JAWS so much that I
>> can't hear JAWS.  But if I press and hold the F9 key, it lowers
>> the volume of all audio coming out of the computer; that of the
>> audio file and that of JAWS.  So how do I lower the media volume
>> without lowering JAWS's volume so I can listen to music in the
>> background and still do something on my computer?
>> 4.  (and final) How do I tell Windows Media Player to download a
>> file from the Internet onto my computer rather than stream it?
>> How do I do the same in WinAmp? I'm using the latest versions of
>> Windows Media Player and WinAmp, Windows 7 and JAWS 12.
>>
>> I hope you can help me with some or all of these questions! Sorry
>> for the long email with so many questions to answer.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>
>
> --
> Julie McG
>  Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> Eyes for the Blind
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
>
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From djdan567 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 02:47:44 2012
From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:47:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4DK1-XWfzGBSWDECzvikwMEUfhboBPSs9yUKxqdywdFmtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f121ae4.0697640a.526a.32c1@mx.google.com>
	<CAHox4DK1-XWfzGBSWDECzvikwMEUfhboBPSs9yUKxqdywdFmtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHqJse3VbA1_4sbbDNygzktaTcM1Xt=Yefif4nPcY4vLKLpYhg@mail.gmail.com>

You can actually do both watch videos and burn CDs with winamp. Though
the burning option is kind of confusing and stupid, i have other
programs for that. And thend for videos just look for the Xvid plugin
for winamp and it'll support all those video formats we know and love.
Haha Hope this helps.

On 1/14/12, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I have that same problem with Windows media player when trying to
> stream audio.  I have not been able to figure it out either.  If you
> use your up and down arrow keys in winamp, they control the volume.
> Right and left arrow keys will rewind and fast forward, and up and
> down arrow keys will turn the volume up and down respectively.  This
> should not affect anything else running on the computer.  At least, it
> doesn't on my computer.
>
> I have found winamp much easier to use than windows media player, but
> it doesn't do things such as burn cds and play video.  Hope this helps
> and looking forward to hearing if anyone else has struggled with the
> windows media player streaming problem.
>
> On 1/14/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am having some problems/questions with/about Windows Media
>> Player and WinAmp that I hope you can help with.
>>
>> 1.  Whenever I try to play a file from the Internet, either a
>> live radio stream or a recorded MP3 or M3U file, it starts to
>> play, then about 5 seconds into the file, a dialog will come up
>> which says: "Windows media player dialog: Windows Media Player
>> has stopped working.  Windows is trying to identify the
>> problem...  Windows is checking online for a solution.  Close
>> program button." I tried playing some music that was in my
>> Windows Media Player library already, with the same result.  How
>> can I fix this and what might be wrong with the player?
>> 2.  After hearing good reviews from blind people about the
>> accessibility and ease of use of Winamp, I downloaded the latest
>> version of that program.  My friend told me that when I
>> downloaded the program, WinAmp would set itself as my default
>> player.  However, when I go to listen to a stream from the
>> Internet, it still wants to play in Windows Media Player, but
>> that doesn't work because of the problem I described above.  So
>> how do I manually tell my computer to play everything in WinAmp
>> by default?
>> 3.  Is there a way in Winamp and/or Windows Media Player to
>> control the volume of audio playing through the media player
>> without effecting the volume of the whole computer? One of the
>> problems I have when playing media files is that I can't do
>> anything else on my computer while media is playing, as the audio
>> in whatever file I'm listening to drowns out JAWS so much that I
>> can't hear JAWS.  But if I press and hold the F9 key, it lowers
>> the volume of all audio coming out of the computer; that of the
>> audio file and that of JAWS.  So how do I lower the media volume
>> without lowering JAWS's volume so I can listen to music in the
>> background and still do something on my computer?
>> 4.  (and final) How do I tell Windows Media Player to download a
>> file from the Internet onto my computer rather than stream it?
>> How do I do the same in WinAmp? I'm using the latest versions of
>> Windows Media Player and WinAmp, Windows 7 and JAWS 12.
>>
>> I hope you can help me with some or all of these questions! Sorry
>> for the long email with so many questions to answer.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
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> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> Eyes for the Blind
>
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> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
>
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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 02:57:34 2012
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:57:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4DK1-XWfzGBSWDECzvikwMEUfhboBPSs9yUKxqdywdFmtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f121ae4.0697640a.526a.32c1@mx.google.com>
	<CAHox4DK1-XWfzGBSWDECzvikwMEUfhboBPSs9yUKxqdywdFmtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <358BCEBB-02F2-4E3D-B815-7FE9D6F06B88@gmail.com>

Can you burn CDs with jaws 13 and windows media player? If so...how?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I have that same problem with Windows media player when trying to
> stream audio.  I have not been able to figure it out either.  If you
> use your up and down arrow keys in winamp, they control the volume.
> Right and left arrow keys will rewind and fast forward, and up and
> down arrow keys will turn the volume up and down respectively.  This
> should not affect anything else running on the computer.  At least, it
> doesn't on my computer.
> 
> I have found winamp much easier to use than windows media player, but
> it doesn't do things such as burn cds and play video.  Hope this helps
> and looking forward to hearing if anyone else has struggled with the
> windows media player streaming problem.
> 
> On 1/14/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I am having some problems/questions with/about Windows Media
>> Player and WinAmp that I hope you can help with.
>> 
>> 1.  Whenever I try to play a file from the Internet, either a
>> live radio stream or a recorded MP3 or M3U file, it starts to
>> play, then about 5 seconds into the file, a dialog will come up
>> which says: "Windows media player dialog: Windows Media Player
>> has stopped working.  Windows is trying to identify the
>> problem...  Windows is checking online for a solution.  Close
>> program button." I tried playing some music that was in my
>> Windows Media Player library already, with the same result.  How
>> can I fix this and what might be wrong with the player?
>> 2.  After hearing good reviews from blind people about the
>> accessibility and ease of use of Winamp, I downloaded the latest
>> version of that program.  My friend told me that when I
>> downloaded the program, WinAmp would set itself as my default
>> player.  However, when I go to listen to a stream from the
>> Internet, it still wants to play in Windows Media Player, but
>> that doesn't work because of the problem I described above.  So
>> how do I manually tell my computer to play everything in WinAmp
>> by default?
>> 3.  Is there a way in Winamp and/or Windows Media Player to
>> control the volume of audio playing through the media player
>> without effecting the volume of the whole computer? One of the
>> problems I have when playing media files is that I can't do
>> anything else on my computer while media is playing, as the audio
>> in whatever file I'm listening to drowns out JAWS so much that I
>> can't hear JAWS.  But if I press and hold the F9 key, it lowers
>> the volume of all audio coming out of the computer; that of the
>> audio file and that of JAWS.  So how do I lower the media volume
>> without lowering JAWS's volume so I can listen to music in the
>> background and still do something on my computer?
>> 4.  (and final) How do I tell Windows Media Player to download a
>> file from the Internet onto my computer rather than stream it?
>> How do I do the same in WinAmp? I'm using the latest versions of
>> Windows Media Player and WinAmp, Windows 7 and JAWS 12.
>> 
>> I hope you can help me with some or all of these questions! Sorry
>> for the long email with so many questions to answer.
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Julie McG
> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> Eyes for the Blind
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
> 
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 05:26:50 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:26:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions
Message-ID: <4f1263c6.44b1ec0a.7df1.4996@mx.google.com>

Hi Julie,

Glad it's not just me! WinAmp definitely seems more accessible 
and easier to use than Windows Media Player; thanks for the 
input! I don't know why it still wants to play in Windows Media, 
but someone replied to me off-list saying that I can change the 
default player setting in the context menu from within a media 
file.  I just hope I don't lose the file due to that Windows 
Media Player streaming problem before I can get into the context 
menu and change the setting.  Thanks for the input!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:31:45 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions

Hi.

I have that same problem with Windows media player when trying to
stream audio.  I have not been able to figure it out either.  If 
you
use your up and down arrow keys in winamp, they control the 
volume.
Right and left arrow keys will rewind and fast forward, and up 
and
down arrow keys will turn the volume up and down respectively.  
This
should not affect anything else running on the computer.  At 
least, it
doesn't on my computer.

I have found winamp much easier to use than windows media player, 
but
it doesn't do things such as burn cds and play video.  Hope this 
helps
and looking forward to hearing if anyone else has struggled with 
the
windows media player streaming problem.

On 1/14/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I am having some problems/questions with/about Windows Media
 Player and WinAmp that I hope you can help with.

 1.  Whenever I try to play a file from the Internet, either a
 live radio stream or a recorded MP3 or M3U file, it starts to
 play, then about 5 seconds into the file, a dialog will come up
 which says: "Windows media player dialog: Windows Media Player
 has stopped working.  Windows is trying to identify the
 problem...  Windows is checking online for a solution.  Close
 program button." I tried playing some music that was in my
 Windows Media Player library already, with the same result.  How
 can I fix this and what might be wrong with the player?
 2.  After hearing good reviews from blind people about the
 accessibility and ease of use of Winamp, I downloaded the latest
 version of that program.  My friend told me that when I
 downloaded the program, WinAmp would set itself as my default
 player.  However, when I go to listen to a stream from the
 Internet, it still wants to play in Windows Media Player, but
 that doesn't work because of the problem I described above.  So
 how do I manually tell my computer to play everything in WinAmp
 by default?
 3.  Is there a way in Winamp and/or Windows Media Player to
 control the volume of audio playing through the media player
 without effecting the volume of the whole computer? One of the
 problems I have when playing media files is that I can't do
 anything else on my computer while media is playing, as the 
audio
 in whatever file I'm listening to drowns out JAWS so much that I
 can't hear JAWS.  But if I press and hold the F9 key, it lowers
 the volume of all audio coming out of the computer; that of the
 audio file and that of JAWS.  So how do I lower the media volume
 without lowering JAWS's volume so I can listen to music in the
 background and still do something on my computer?
 4.  (and final) How do I tell Windows Media Player to download a
 file from the Internet onto my computer rather than stream it?
 How do I do the same in WinAmp? I'm using the latest versions of
 Windows Media Player and WinAmp, Windows 7 and JAWS 12.

 I hope you can help me with some or all of these questions! 
Sorry
 for the long email with so many questions to answer.
 Thanks,

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

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 Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in 
Opera
Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of 
Guiding
Eyes for the Blind

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 05:26:52 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:26:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions
Message-ID: <4f1263c8.44b1ec0a.7df1.4997@mx.google.com>

It's done that to me to (cutting out while listening to online 
radio streams) but I think that's just the signal going in and 
out or something.  But at least you can play them; I can't.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:36:23 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions

Hi, Julie.
When I listen to an online radio station, sometimes it will cut 
out,
(WMP,) and I have to hit tab, and up, and down arrow, until it 
comes
back on.
I hate Winamp, because it takes too long to download, on this old 
lap top.
I'm hoping to trade this Acer, in for a Dell!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/14/12, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi.

 I have that same problem with Windows media player when trying 
to
 stream audio.  I have not been able to figure it out either.  If 
you
 use your up and down arrow keys in winamp, they control the 
volume.
 Right and left arrow keys will rewind and fast forward, and up 
and
 down arrow keys will turn the volume up and down respectively.  
This
 should not affect anything else running on the computer.  At 
least, it
 doesn't on my computer.

 I have found winamp much easier to use than windows media 
player, but
 it doesn't do things such as burn cds and play video.  Hope this 
helps
 and looking forward to hearing if anyone else has struggled with 
the
 windows media player streaming problem.

 On 1/14/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I am having some problems/questions with/about Windows Media
 Player and WinAmp that I hope you can help with.

 1.  Whenever I try to play a file from the Internet, either a
 live radio stream or a recorded MP3 or M3U file, it starts to
 play, then about 5 seconds into the file, a dialog will come up
 which says: "Windows media player dialog: Windows Media Player
 has stopped working.  Windows is trying to identify the
 problem...  Windows is checking online for a solution.  Close
 program button." I tried playing some music that was in my
 Windows Media Player library already, with the same result.  How
 can I fix this and what might be wrong with the player?
 2.  After hearing good reviews from blind people about the
 accessibility and ease of use of Winamp, I downloaded the latest
 version of that program.  My friend told me that when I
 downloaded the program, WinAmp would set itself as my default
 player.  However, when I go to listen to a stream from the
 Internet, it still wants to play in Windows Media Player, but
 that doesn't work because of the problem I described above.  So
 how do I manually tell my computer to play everything in WinAmp
 by default?
 3.  Is there a way in Winamp and/or Windows Media Player to
 control the volume of audio playing through the media player
 without effecting the volume of the whole computer? One of the
 problems I have when playing media files is that I can't do
 anything else on my computer while media is playing, as the 
audio
 in whatever file I'm listening to drowns out JAWS so much that I
 can't hear JAWS.  But if I press and hold the F9 key, it lowers
 the volume of all audio coming out of the computer; that of the
 audio file and that of JAWS.  So how do I lower the media volume
 without lowering JAWS's volume so I can listen to music in the
 background and still do something on my computer?
 4.  (and final) How do I tell Windows Media Player to download a
 file from the Internet onto my computer rather than stream it?
 How do I do the same in WinAmp? I'm using the latest versions of
 Windows Media Player and WinAmp, Windows 7 and JAWS 12.

 I hope you can help me with some or all of these questions! 
Sorry
 for the long email with so many questions to answer.
 Thanks,

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

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Opera
 Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of 
Guiding
 Eyes for the Blind

 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
 everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan 15 06:54:10 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 00:54:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions
In-Reply-To: <4f1263c8.44b1ec0a.7df1.4997@mx.google.com>
References: <4f1263c8.44b1ec0a.7df1.4997@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOvh+_NXdjZyksNrtoGjKAcvVDRHA9=BDcQ857VHUra6sw@mail.gmail.com>

Wow!
What version of WMP, do you have?
I don't have the latest one, yet.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/14/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's done that to me to (cutting out while listening to online
> radio streams) but I think that's just the signal going in and
> out or something.  But at least you can play them; I can't.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:36:23 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions
>
> Hi, Julie.
> When I listen to an online radio station, sometimes it will cut
> out,
> (WMP,) and I have to hit tab, and up, and down arrow, until it
> comes
> back on.
> I hate Winamp, because it takes too long to download, on this old
> lap top.
> I'm hoping to trade this Acer, in for a Dell!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/14/12, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Hi.
>
>  I have that same problem with Windows media player when trying
> to
>  stream audio.  I have not been able to figure it out either.  If
> you
>  use your up and down arrow keys in winamp, they control the
> volume.
>  Right and left arrow keys will rewind and fast forward, and up
> and
>  down arrow keys will turn the volume up and down respectively.
> This
>  should not affect anything else running on the computer.  At
> least, it
>  doesn't on my computer.
>
>  I have found winamp much easier to use than windows media
> player, but
>  it doesn't do things such as burn cds and play video.  Hope this
> helps
>  and looking forward to hearing if anyone else has struggled with
> the
>  windows media player streaming problem.
>
>  On 1/14/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Hi everyone,
>
>  I am having some problems/questions with/about Windows Media
>  Player and WinAmp that I hope you can help with.
>
>  1.  Whenever I try to play a file from the Internet, either a
>  live radio stream or a recorded MP3 or M3U file, it starts to
>  play, then about 5 seconds into the file, a dialog will come up
>  which says: "Windows media player dialog: Windows Media Player
>  has stopped working.  Windows is trying to identify the
>  problem...  Windows is checking online for a solution.  Close
>  program button." I tried playing some music that was in my
>  Windows Media Player library already, with the same result.  How
>  can I fix this and what might be wrong with the player?
>  2.  After hearing good reviews from blind people about the
>  accessibility and ease of use of Winamp, I downloaded the latest
>  version of that program.  My friend told me that when I
>  downloaded the program, WinAmp would set itself as my default
>  player.  However, when I go to listen to a stream from the
>  Internet, it still wants to play in Windows Media Player, but
>  that doesn't work because of the problem I described above.  So
>  how do I manually tell my computer to play everything in WinAmp
>  by default?
>  3.  Is there a way in Winamp and/or Windows Media Player to
>  control the volume of audio playing through the media player
>  without effecting the volume of the whole computer? One of the
>  problems I have when playing media files is that I can't do
>  anything else on my computer while media is playing, as the
> audio
>  in whatever file I'm listening to drowns out JAWS so much that I
>  can't hear JAWS.  But if I press and hold the F9 key, it lowers
>  the volume of all audio coming out of the computer; that of the
>  audio file and that of JAWS.  So how do I lower the media volume
>  without lowering JAWS's volume so I can listen to music in the
>  background and still do something on my computer?
>  4.  (and final) How do I tell Windows Media Player to download a
>  file from the Internet onto my computer rather than stream it?
>  How do I do the same in WinAmp? I'm using the latest versions of
>  Windows Media Player and WinAmp, Windows 7 and JAWS 12.
>
>  I hope you can help me with some or all of these questions!
> Sorry
>  for the long email with so many questions to answer.
>  Thanks,
>
>  Chris
>
>  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>  nuisance."
>  -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  _______________________________________________
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>
>
>  --
>  Julie McG
>   Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in
> Opera
>  Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of
> Guiding
>  Eyes for the Blind
>
>  "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>  everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>  life."
>  John 3:16
>
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 19:35:59 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:35:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Yoga Course
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCKecES5u9SPrZ=kc_3rSpJJ_P64JK_4Rfo7QqY85JGeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=h+ug96rtiR+V8HKKBe0czAs+PNF_+zC_aP3-FmZb217g4=w@mail.gmail.com><14CF8E43BA6B44D28F0F727A6344751C@OwnerPC>
	<CALAYQJCKecES5u9SPrZ=kc_3rSpJJ_P64JK_4Rfo7QqY85JGeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <392687872CDF4936AFEE80B2A89EBDA2@userPC>

I am currently working privately with a yoga instructor. This is the second
one I am working with. Your yoga instructor will also help you move your
body in the way they are explaining if you still are not quite understanding
what they want you to do. I really enjoy yoga and am still working tward the
goal my first yoga instructor set for me. The goal is for me to get to the
point ware I can walk in to a yoga class and tell the instructor how they
can help me. Here is an article I rote on how yoga instructors can help us
as blind students. It's attached. Hope it helps.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:20 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Yoga Course

Hi Brice and all,
I've taken yoga for three semesters now as well as a couple of short
classes, so I've worked with about four different instructors and I've
had really great experiences with it. Yoga instructors are trained to
give extensive verbal directions and they give the directions in terms
of your body position. So in other words, they will say "move your
arms to your shoulders" rather than "move your arms out" etc. I find
this especially helpful as a blind person, because I often find that
when I don't have visual context, instructions like "move in" or "move
out" don't make much sense. The yoga instructors I have worked with
will also move about the room to offer feedback to individual
students. They do this for everyone, not just blind students. Yoga
also moves a lot slower than, say, dance or aerobics classes. I'm sure
there are some bad instructors, but I think yoga is more accessible
than a lot of other group physical activities. If you get someone
who's less verbal, you can probably set up office hours with them or
pay for one or two private lessons to get caught up, but based on my
experience I don't think you'll need that. I find yoga very relaxing
and enjoyable. Good luck!
Arielle

On 1/14/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> oh boy. Good luck. I tried kundalini yoga but that is more meditative than
> regular yoga; it would have been fine, but that summer I had conflicts.
> Have the instructor be verbal and show you what to do. Since it's the
> college, he/she should have office hours; they could help you then too.
> Yoga is a series of positions, called poses, where you hold them for a
> period of time and then move on. Its done on the floor plus a few standing
> poses. Many people find it relaxing.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brice Smith
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:00 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Yoga Course
>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone here ever taken a mainstream yoga class? I'm scrambling
> like mad to find my final required PE course this semester before I
> graduate in May. Unfortunately, my two internship schedules keep me
> from taking just about anything else offered -- and an evening yoga
> class that meets for eight weeks starting at the end of February is
> about all that's left that fits my schedule.
>
> So how accessible and/or visual are yoga classes, especially for
> someone like me who barely knows what yoga even is?
>
> Just trying to graduate ...
>
> Brice
>
> --
> Brice Smith
> North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations
> Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 17:18:49 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 11:18:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions
Message-ID: <4f130aa6.206a650a.70a4.ffff9bd8@mx.google.com>

I have the latest one; it came with Windows 7 when I upgraded.  
Because of the error I described in my original email, I can't 
play anything.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 00:54:10 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions

Wow!
What version of WMP, do you have?
I don't have the latest one, yet.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/14/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 It's done that to me to (cutting out while listening to online
 radio streams) but I think that's just the signal going in and
 out or something.  But at least you can play them; I can't.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:36:23 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions

 Hi, Julie.
 When I listen to an online radio station, sometimes it will cut
 out,
 (WMP,) and I have to hit tab, and up, and down arrow, until it
 comes
 back on.
 I hate Winamp, because it takes too long to download, on this 
old
 lap top.
 I'm hoping to trade this Acer, in for a Dell!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/14/12, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
  Hi.

  I have that same problem with Windows media player when trying
 to
  stream audio.  I have not been able to figure it out either.  
If
 you
  use your up and down arrow keys in winamp, they control the
 volume.
  Right and left arrow keys will rewind and fast forward, and up
 and
  down arrow keys will turn the volume up and down respectively.
 This
  should not affect anything else running on the computer.  At
 least, it
  doesn't on my computer.

  I have found winamp much easier to use than windows media
 player, but
  it doesn't do things such as burn cds and play video.  Hope 
this
 helps
  and looking forward to hearing if anyone else has struggled 
with
 the
  windows media player streaming problem.

  On 1/14/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
  Hi everyone,

  I am having some problems/questions with/about Windows Media
  Player and WinAmp that I hope you can help with.

  1.  Whenever I try to play a file from the Internet, either a
  live radio stream or a recorded MP3 or M3U file, it starts to
  play, then about 5 seconds into the file, a dialog will come up
  which says: "Windows media player dialog: Windows Media Player
  has stopped working.  Windows is trying to identify the
  problem...  Windows is checking online for a solution.  Close
  program button." I tried playing some music that was in my
  Windows Media Player library already, with the same result.  
How
  can I fix this and what might be wrong with the player?
  2.  After hearing good reviews from blind people about the
  accessibility and ease of use of Winamp, I downloaded the 
latest
  version of that program.  My friend told me that when I
  downloaded the program, WinAmp would set itself as my default
  player.  However, when I go to listen to a stream from the
  Internet, it still wants to play in Windows Media Player, but
  that doesn't work because of the problem I described above.  So
  how do I manually tell my computer to play everything in WinAmp
  by default?
  3.  Is there a way in Winamp and/or Windows Media Player to
  control the volume of audio playing through the media player
  without effecting the volume of the whole computer? One of the
  problems I have when playing media files is that I can't do
  anything else on my computer while media is playing, as the
 audio
  in whatever file I'm listening to drowns out JAWS so much that 
I
  can't hear JAWS.  But if I press and hold the F9 key, it lowers
  the volume of all audio coming out of the computer; that of the
  audio file and that of JAWS.  So how do I lower the media 
volume
  without lowering JAWS's volume so I can listen to music in the
  background and still do something on my computer?
  4.  (and final) How do I tell Windows Media Player to download 
a
  file from the Internet onto my computer rather than stream it?
  How do I do the same in WinAmp? I'm using the latest versions 
of
  Windows Media Player and WinAmp, Windows 7 and JAWS 12.

  I hope you can help me with some or all of these questions!
 Sorry
  for the long email with so many questions to answer.
  Thanks,

  Chris

  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  
The
  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
  nuisance."
  -- Kenneth Jernigan

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  Julie McG
   Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in
 Opera
  Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of
 Guiding
  Eyes for the Blind

  "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
  everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have 
eternal
  life."
  John 3:16

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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 19:45:39 2012
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:45:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows media player and burning CDs
Message-ID: <292588C1-8397-4B7A-A23E-931F711768EC@gmail.com>

I have the latest version of jaws and WMp and can't figure out how to burn cds. Can anyone help?

Sent from my iPhone

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 19:49:10 2012
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 11:49:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: nabs Membership Call: Washington Seminar/
 legislative involvement 101
Message-ID: <CAEwUdjNyQ+TWzNLLvKbR-R_Cs-oTxYDBOVS0cz-4voHV2R8C6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

 quick  Reminder of  nabs membership call: Washington Seminar 101.
  This call will take place today at 7p.m. eastern/4p.m. Pacific.
  Talk to you all in a few  hours!


On 1/11/12, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> The National Association of Blind Students Membership Committee Presents:
>
> “Washington Seminar 101”
>
> When: Sunday, January 15, 2012, 7:00 P.M. EST.
>
> Where: Conference line; (712) 775-1200, code 257963
>
>     The purpose of this call is to provide information on the upcoming
> Washington Seminar event, to be held February 6-9, 2012. Join Lauren
> McLarney, Government
> Program Specialist of the National Federation of the Blind, as she
> talks about this year’s three key issues and ways that people can get
> involved, whether
> or not you are able to attend the event. This call promises to have
> something for everyone, from Washington Seminar veterans to those
> going for the first
> time and to those who may know what “Washington” and “Seminar” are,
> but have no idea how those two words relate together. We look forward
> to seeing you
> on the call!
>


-- 
Darian Smith

"To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the
formula
for a life well lived."

- Dr. Peter Benson


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 15 23:05:50 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:05:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
Message-ID: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites accessible. Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
But it seems right to do so. Well, I’m trying to take an intro to computers class.

Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on the first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get in that way. The CD is the same way!
The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run  into this?

I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study tools, and practice quizzes. I don’t do this for every class; I do have a life. But some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me prepare and study for the real quiz or test.

I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I’m hoping they have a diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues and got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will send me stuff directly; we’ll see.
Ashley

From nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 23:37:25 2012
From: nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com (community service Outreach)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:37:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Community Service Membership call--Sunday January 22
Message-ID: <CAOY844Tb8Dp27Qd3MFbo9actMCzarnn74jL8mZDJGepruE0r4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, everyone!

It's time once again for the Community Service Group's monthly
membership call! January is National Mentoring Month, and Jermesa Lee,
the Vice President of the Florida Association of Blind Students, will
be sharing her experiences and perspectives on mentoring. The call in
information is below.

Topic: National Mentoring Month: Ideas, perspectives, experiences
When: Sunday, January 22 at 8 pm ET
Where:(218) 336-3900 passcode 808277

Hope to see you there!

Julie


From iperrault at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 16 00:01:20 2012
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:01:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs Membership Call: Washington Seminar/
	legislativeinvolvement 101
In-Reply-To: <CAEwUdjNHGm+fjmdR-7_e0APUp=AD9e_Mn4CL56oN8PPAiEweXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwUdjNHGm+fjmdR-7_e0APUp=AD9e_Mn4CL56oN8PPAiEweXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-DS20BE3CF223048B2EC5B491BF830@phx.gbl>


        Hi
I dialed the number for the NFB Washington Seminar call and it said that it 
couldn't be completed. What's the number? I dialed 712-775-1200. 



From jesusfreak262 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 00:13:19 2012
From: jesusfreak262 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:13:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs Membership Call: Washington Seminar/
	legislativeinvolvement 101
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-DS20BE3CF223048B2EC5B491BF830@phx.gbl>
References: <CAEwUdjNHGm+fjmdR-7_e0APUp=AD9e_Mn4CL56oN8PPAiEweXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT111-DS20BE3CF223048B2EC5B491BF830@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5C68C0A5-F49E-46CB-A0D8-22F03C53861B@gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

The correct number is:
712-775-7100
Pass code: 257963


On Jan 15, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Ian Perrault wrote:

> 
>       Hi
> I dialed the number for the NFB Washington Seminar call and it said that it couldn't be completed. What's the number? I dialed 712-775-1200. 
> 
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From nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 00:13:59 2012
From: nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com (community service Outreach)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:13:59 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Sorry for the confusion.... I gave out the wrong phone
 number in my first email
Message-ID: <CAOY844T4dDu=GO2vQr7H11B3=_fzSWZMkjJWaA9cRh32pBB9eg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, everyone!

It's time once again for the Community Service Group's monthly
membership call! January is National Mentoring Month, and Jermesa Lee,
the Vice President of the Florida Association of Blind Students, will
be sharing her experiences and perspectives on mentoring. The call in
information is below.

Topic: National Mentoring Month: Ideas, perspectives, experiences
When: Sunday, January 22 at 8 pm ET
(218) 339-3600 passcode 808277

Hope you can make it!

Julie


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Jan 16 02:03:38 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:03:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
In-Reply-To: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC>
References: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOvV5R_TWsgEgwHGm2o9igNF3gYCG=+xjq-0KmnozM3PUg@mail.gmail.com>

Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
The Department of Justice said so.
They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites accessible.
> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
> But it seems right to do so. Well, I’m trying to take an intro to computers
> class.
>
> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on the
> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get in
> that way. The CD is the same way!
> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run  into
> this?
>
> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study tools,
> and practice quizzes. I don’t do this for every class; I do have a life. But
> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>
> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I’m hoping they have a
> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues and
> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will send me
> stuff directly; we’ll see.
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Jan 16 02:04:20 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:04:20 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone else having problems with downloading NABS
	business	meeting?
In-Reply-To: <4f121ae5.0697640a.526a.32c2@mx.google.com>
References: <4f121ae5.0697640a.526a.32c2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <013201ccd3f3$2b39e570$81adb050$@comcast.net>

HELLO CHRIS,

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU WERE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH ON THE SITE. I
HAVEN'T ENCOUNTER THIS PROBLEM MYSELF SINCE I HAVEN'T HAD A
CHANCE TO LISTEN TO THE RECORDING. AS SOON AS I DO I WILL LET YOU
KNOW. TAKE CARE AND, I WILL TALK TO YOU SOON.




HUGS,
AMY

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NFB Talk List; NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone else having problems with downloading
NABS business meeting?

Hi everyone,

Is anyone else besides me having problems downloading the 
recording of the business meeting of the National Association of 
Blind Students (NABS) from national convention from 
nabslinkaudio.org? I'm getting a "HTTP 404 page not found" error 
when clicking on the link to download the recording.  Has anyone 
else had this problem?
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Jan 16 02:11:28 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:11:28 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions
In-Reply-To: <4f121ae4.0697640a.526a.32c1@mx.google.com>
References: <4f121ae4.0697640a.526a.32c1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <013301ccd3f4$286d1460$79473d20$@comcast.net>

HELLO CHRIS,

I TOO HAVE THESE SAME PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVEDESCRIBED IN YOUR
MESSAGE MYSELF TOO IN WHICH I HAD POSTED TO THE LIST LAST WEEK. I
HAVE ALSO DOWNLOADED WINAMP AS WELL AND, I ALSO AM HAVING THE
SAME PROBLEMS WITH CONFIGURING WINAMP AS MY DEFAULT MEDIA PLAYER
INSTEEAD OF WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER. I TOO ALSO NEED THE SAME HELP
AND ASSISTANCE WITH THESE SAME PROBLEMS TOO.

THANKS AGAIN AND, I TOO HOOPE THAT BOTH OF US GET THE SAME
RESULTS FOR THE SAME FRUSTRATIONS AND PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE HAVING
WITH WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER AND WINAMP.



HUGS,
AMY---Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions

Hi everyone,

I am having some problems/questions with/about Windows Media 
Player and WinAmp that I hope you can help with.

1.  Whenever I try to play a file from the Internet, either a 
live radio stream or a recorded MP3 or M3U file, it starts to 
play, then about 5 seconds into the file, a dialog will come up 
which says: "Windows media player dialog: Windows Media Player 
has stopped working.  Windows is trying to identify the 
problem...  Windows is checking online for a solution.  Close 
program button." I tried playing some music that was in my 
Windows Media Player library already, with the same result.  How 
can I fix this and what might be wrong with the player?
2.  After hearing good reviews from blind people about the 
accessibility and ease of use of Winamp, I downloaded the latest 
version of that program.  My friend told me that when I 
downloaded the program, WinAmp would set itself as my default 
player.  However, when I go to listen to a stream from the 
Internet, it still wants to play in Windows Media Player, but 
that doesn't work because of the problem I described above.  So 
how do I manually tell my computer to play everything in WinAmp 
by default?
3.  Is there a way in Winamp and/or Windows Media Player to 
control the volume of audio playing through the media player 
without effecting the volume of the whole computer? One of the 
problems I have when playing media files is that I can't do 
anything else on my computer while media is playing, as the audio

in whatever file I'm listening to drowns out JAWS so much that I 
can't hear JAWS.  But if I press and hold the F9 key, it lowers 
the volume of all audio coming out of the computer; that of the 
audio file and that of JAWS.  So how do I lower the media volume 
without lowering JAWS's volume so I can listen to music in the 
background and still do something on my computer?
4.  (and final) How do I tell Windows Media Player to download a 
file from the Internet onto my computer rather than stream it? 
How do I do the same in WinAmp? I'm using the latest versions of 
Windows Media Player and WinAmp, Windows 7 and JAWS 12.

I hope you can help me with some or all of these questions! Sorry

for the long email with so many questions to answer.
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 16 02:20:11 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:20:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOvV5R_TWsgEgwHGm2o9igNF3gYCG=+xjq-0KmnozM3PUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvV5R_TWsgEgwHGm2o9igNF3gYCG=+xjq-0KmnozM3PUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AD48136EFA544341899C0AB816F8A86C@OwnerPC>

Joshua,
Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with the 
publisher.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds

Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
The Department of Justice said so.
They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites accessible.
> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
> But it seems right to do so. Well, I’m trying to take an intro to 
> computers
> class.
>
> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on the
> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get 
> in
> that way. The CD is the same way!
> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run  into
> this?
>
> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study 
> tools,
> and practice quizzes. I don’t do this for every class; I do have a life. 
> But
> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>
> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I’m hoping they have 
> a
> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues and
> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will send 
> me
> stuff directly; we’ll see.
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Jan 16 02:24:43 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:24:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
In-Reply-To: <AD48136EFA544341899C0AB816F8A86C@OwnerPC>
References: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvV5R_TWsgEgwHGm2o9igNF3gYCG=+xjq-0KmnozM3PUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<AD48136EFA544341899C0AB816F8A86C@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOvBdQ2qGsk-x4WeG4q3y+X9GR15uCWYa-RuFijanhemDg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I heard it
on the news, in June, of 2011.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
> I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with the
> publisher.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>
> Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
> The Department of Justice said so.
> They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites accessible.
>> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>> But it seems right to do so. Well, I’m trying to take an intro to
>> computers
>> class.
>>
>> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on the
>> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get
>> in
>> that way. The CD is the same way!
>> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run  into
>> this?
>>
>> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
>> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study
>> tools,
>> and practice quizzes. I don’t do this for every class; I do have a life.
>> But
>> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
>> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>>
>> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I’m hoping they have
>>
>> a
>> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
>> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues and
>> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will send
>> me
>> stuff directly; we’ll see.
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>
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From beckyasabo at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 02:27:24 2012
From: beckyasabo at gmail.com (Becky Sabo)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:27:24 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] question to the list
In-Reply-To: <013301ccd3f4$286d1460$79473d20$@comcast.net>
References: <4f121ae4.0697640a.526a.32c1@mx.google.com>
	<013301ccd3f4$286d1460$79473d20$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <28E71327CA16427F8324C1C376A03230@RebeccaPC>

Hello my name is Becky Sabo.  I just got on skipe I know this is the list
serve just for issues for blind students.  I was just wondering if people
are on skipe could add me or give me there screen name off the list.  My
email address is beckyasabo at gmail.com and my skipe user name is
guidedoguser4
Thanks again.
Becky sabo 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Amy Sabo
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:11 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions

HELLO CHRIS,

I TOO HAVE THESE SAME PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVEDESCRIBED IN YOUR
MESSAGE MYSELF TOO IN WHICH I HAD POSTED TO THE LIST LAST WEEK. I
HAVE ALSO DOWNLOADED WINAMP AS WELL AND, I ALSO AM HAVING THE
SAME PROBLEMS WITH CONFIGURING WINAMP AS MY DEFAULT MEDIA PLAYER
INSTEEAD OF WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER. I TOO ALSO NEED THE SAME HELP
AND ASSISTANCE WITH THESE SAME PROBLEMS TOO.

THANKS AGAIN AND, I TOO HOOPE THAT BOTH OF US GET THE SAME
RESULTS FOR THE SAME FRUSTRATIONS AND PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE HAVING
WITH WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER AND WINAMP.



HUGS,
AMY---Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions

Hi everyone,

I am having some problems/questions with/about Windows Media 
Player and WinAmp that I hope you can help with.

1.  Whenever I try to play a file from the Internet, either a 
live radio stream or a recorded MP3 or M3U file, it starts to 
play, then about 5 seconds into the file, a dialog will come up 
which says: "Windows media player dialog: Windows Media Player 
has stopped working.  Windows is trying to identify the 
problem...  Windows is checking online for a solution.  Close 
program button." I tried playing some music that was in my 
Windows Media Player library already, with the same result.  How 
can I fix this and what might be wrong with the player?
2.  After hearing good reviews from blind people about the 
accessibility and ease of use of Winamp, I downloaded the latest 
version of that program.  My friend told me that when I 
downloaded the program, WinAmp would set itself as my default 
player.  However, when I go to listen to a stream from the 
Internet, it still wants to play in Windows Media Player, but 
that doesn't work because of the problem I described above.  So 
how do I manually tell my computer to play everything in WinAmp 
by default?
3.  Is there a way in Winamp and/or Windows Media Player to 
control the volume of audio playing through the media player 
without effecting the volume of the whole computer? One of the 
problems I have when playing media files is that I can't do 
anything else on my computer while media is playing, as the audio

in whatever file I'm listening to drowns out JAWS so much that I 
can't hear JAWS.  But if I press and hold the F9 key, it lowers 
the volume of all audio coming out of the computer; that of the 
audio file and that of JAWS.  So how do I lower the media volume 
without lowering JAWS's volume so I can listen to music in the 
background and still do something on my computer?
4.  (and final) How do I tell Windows Media Player to download a 
file from the Internet onto my computer rather than stream it? 
How do I do the same in WinAmp? I'm using the latest versions of 
Windows Media Player and WinAmp, Windows 7 and JAWS 12.

I hope you can help me with some or all of these questions! Sorry

for the long email with so many questions to answer.
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Jan 16 02:39:45 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:39:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions
In-Reply-To: <4f1263c8.44b1ec0a.7df1.4997@mx.google.com>
References: <4f1263c8.44b1ec0a.7df1.4997@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000501ccd3f8$1be00c80$53a02580$@comcast.net>

Hello chris,

As to the problems with internet radio it probably has to be with
the streams that the people or the station are using to play and
also stream the content. This has happened to me too. So, if this
happens to you it does come back if not which makes it
frustrating to me as it would to you will have to reload and open
up the link for windows media player or if not then click on the
link for winamp in the station;'s site.

I hope this information is helpful to you. Take care and, I will
talk to you soon.





Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:27 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions

It's done that to me to (cutting out while listening to online 
radio streams) but I think that's just the signal going in and 
out or something.  But at least you can play them; I can't.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:36:23 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions

Hi, Julie.
When I listen to an online radio station, sometimes it will cut 
out,
(WMP,) and I have to hit tab, and up, and down arrow, until it 
comes
back on.
I hate Winamp, because it takes too long to download, on this old

lap top.
I'm hoping to trade this Acer, in for a Dell!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/14/12, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi.

 I have that same problem with Windows media player when trying 
to
 stream audio.  I have not been able to figure it out either.  If

you
 use your up and down arrow keys in winamp, they control the 
volume.
 Right and left arrow keys will rewind and fast forward, and up 
and
 down arrow keys will turn the volume up and down respectively.  
This
 should not affect anything else running on the computer.  At 
least, it
 doesn't on my computer.

 I have found winamp much easier to use than windows media 
player, but
 it doesn't do things such as burn cds and play video.  Hope this

helps
 and looking forward to hearing if anyone else has struggled with

the
 windows media player streaming problem.

 On 1/14/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I am having some problems/questions with/about Windows Media
 Player and WinAmp that I hope you can help with.

 1.  Whenever I try to play a file from the Internet, either a
 live radio stream or a recorded MP3 or M3U file, it starts to
 play, then about 5 seconds into the file, a dialog will come up
 which says: "Windows media player dialog: Windows Media Player
 has stopped working.  Windows is trying to identify the
 problem...  Windows is checking online for a solution.  Close
 program button." I tried playing some music that was in my
 Windows Media Player library already, with the same result.  How
 can I fix this and what might be wrong with the player?
 2.  After hearing good reviews from blind people about the
 accessibility and ease of use of Winamp, I downloaded the latest
 version of that program.  My friend told me that when I
 downloaded the program, WinAmp would set itself as my default
 player.  However, when I go to listen to a stream from the
 Internet, it still wants to play in Windows Media Player, but
 that doesn't work because of the problem I described above.  So
 how do I manually tell my computer to play everything in WinAmp
 by default?
 3.  Is there a way in Winamp and/or Windows Media Player to
 control the volume of audio playing through the media player
 without effecting the volume of the whole computer? One of the
 problems I have when playing media files is that I can't do
 anything else on my computer while media is playing, as the 
audio
 in whatever file I'm listening to drowns out JAWS so much that I
 can't hear JAWS.  But if I press and hold the F9 key, it lowers
 the volume of all audio coming out of the computer; that of the
 audio file and that of JAWS.  So how do I lower the media volume
 without lowering JAWS's volume so I can listen to music in the
 background and still do something on my computer?
 4.  (and final) How do I tell Windows Media Player to download a
 file from the Internet onto my computer rather than stream it?
 How do I do the same in WinAmp? I'm using the latest versions of
 Windows Media Player and WinAmp, Windows 7 and JAWS 12.

 I hope you can help me with some or all of these questions! 
Sorry
 for the long email with so many questions to answer.
 Thanks,

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

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 --
 Julie McG
  Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in 
Opera
 Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of 
Guiding
 Eyes for the Blind

 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
 everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
 life."
 John 3:16

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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Jan 16 02:52:48 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:52:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] question to the list
In-Reply-To: <28E71327CA16427F8324C1C376A03230@RebeccaPC>
References: <4f121ae4.0697640a.526a.32c1@mx.google.com>	<013301ccd3f4$286d1460$79473d20$@comcast.net>
	<28E71327CA16427F8324C1C376A03230@RebeccaPC>
Message-ID: <000601ccd3f9$ef1aa500$cd4fef00$@comcast.net>

Hello becca,

This is a good message and, I'm sure that you will get responses
from many students here on this list who are your friends or not.
But, I'm glad that you decided to have them contact you off list
so, people clog up the list with personal information.


Take care and, I will talk to you soon.




Love,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky Sabo
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] question to the list

Hello my name is Becky Sabo.  I just got on skipe I know this is
the list
serve just for issues for blind students.  I was just wondering
if people
are on skipe could add me or give me there screen name off the
list.  My
email address is beckyasabo at gmail.com and my skipe user name is
guidedoguser4
Thanks again.
Becky sabo 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Amy Sabo
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:11 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions

HELLO CHRIS,

I TOO HAVE THESE SAME PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVEDESCRIBED IN YOUR
MESSAGE MYSELF TOO IN WHICH I HAD POSTED TO THE LIST LAST WEEK. I
HAVE ALSO DOWNLOADED WINAMP AS WELL AND, I ALSO AM HAVING THE
SAME PROBLEMS WITH CONFIGURING WINAMP AS MY DEFAULT MEDIA PLAYER
INSTEEAD OF WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER. I TOO ALSO NEED THE SAME HELP
AND ASSISTANCE WITH THESE SAME PROBLEMS TOO.

THANKS AGAIN AND, I TOO HOOPE THAT BOTH OF US GET THE SAME
RESULTS FOR THE SAME FRUSTRATIONS AND PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE HAVING
WITH WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER AND WINAMP.



HUGS,
AMY---Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows Media Player and WinAmp questions

Hi everyone,

I am having some problems/questions with/about Windows Media 
Player and WinAmp that I hope you can help with.

1.  Whenever I try to play a file from the Internet, either a 
live radio stream or a recorded MP3 or M3U file, it starts to 
play, then about 5 seconds into the file, a dialog will come up 
which says: "Windows media player dialog: Windows Media Player 
has stopped working.  Windows is trying to identify the 
problem...  Windows is checking online for a solution.  Close 
program button." I tried playing some music that was in my 
Windows Media Player library already, with the same result.  How 
can I fix this and what might be wrong with the player?
2.  After hearing good reviews from blind people about the 
accessibility and ease of use of Winamp, I downloaded the latest 
version of that program.  My friend told me that when I 
downloaded the program, WinAmp would set itself as my default 
player.  However, when I go to listen to a stream from the 
Internet, it still wants to play in Windows Media Player, but 
that doesn't work because of the problem I described above.  So 
how do I manually tell my computer to play everything in WinAmp 
by default?
3.  Is there a way in Winamp and/or Windows Media Player to 
control the volume of audio playing through the media player 
without effecting the volume of the whole computer? One of the 
problems I have when playing media files is that I can't do 
anything else on my computer while media is playing, as the audio

in whatever file I'm listening to drowns out JAWS so much that I 
can't hear JAWS.  But if I press and hold the F9 key, it lowers 
the volume of all audio coming out of the computer; that of the 
audio file and that of JAWS.  So how do I lower the media volume 
without lowering JAWS's volume so I can listen to music in the 
background and still do something on my computer?
4.  (and final) How do I tell Windows Media Player to download a 
file from the Internet onto my computer rather than stream it? 
How do I do the same in WinAmp? I'm using the latest versions of 
Windows Media Player and WinAmp, Windows 7 and JAWS 12.

I hope you can help me with some or all of these questions! Sorry

for the long email with so many questions to answer.
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 16 02:52:52 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:52:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOvBdQ2qGsk-x4WeG4q3y+X9GR15uCWYa-RuFijanhemDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC><CAO83KOvV5R_TWsgEgwHGm2o9igNF3gYCG=+xjq-0KmnozM3PUg@mail.gmail.com><AD48136EFA544341899C0AB816F8A86C@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvBdQ2qGsk-x4WeG4q3y+X9GR15uCWYa-RuFijanhemDg@mail.gmail.com>
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okay; I might call the DOJ ADA hotline, they would know

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds

I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I heard it
on the news, in June, of 2011.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
> I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with the
> publisher.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>
> Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
> The Department of Justice said so.
> They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites accessible.
>> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>> But it seems right to do so. Well, I’m trying to take an intro to
>> computers
>> class.
>>
>> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on the
>> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get
>> in
>> that way. The CD is the same way!
>> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run  into
>> this?
>>
>> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
>> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study
>> tools,
>> and practice quizzes. I don’t do this for every class; I do have a life.
>> But
>> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
>> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>>
>> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I’m hoping they 
>> have
>>
>> a
>> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
>> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues and
>> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will send
>> me
>> stuff directly; we’ll see.
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Jan 16 02:57:12 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:57:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
In-Reply-To: <EE27025C4CAC4F3EA1F1AC5387BAC062@OwnerPC>
References: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvV5R_TWsgEgwHGm2o9igNF3gYCG=+xjq-0KmnozM3PUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<AD48136EFA544341899C0AB816F8A86C@OwnerPC>
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Please keep us posted.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> okay; I might call the DOJ ADA hotline, they would know
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:24 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>
> I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I heard it
> on the news, in June, of 2011.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
>> I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with the
>> publisher.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>
>> Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
>> The Department of Justice said so.
>> They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites accessible.
>>> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>>> But it seems right to do so. Well, I’m trying to take an intro to
>>> computers
>>> class.
>>>
>>> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on the
>>> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get
>>> in
>>> that way. The CD is the same way!
>>> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run  into
>>> this?
>>>
>>> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
>>> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study
>>> tools,
>>> and practice quizzes. I don’t do this for every class; I do have a life.
>>> But
>>> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
>>> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>>>
>>> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I’m hoping they
>>> have
>>>
>>> a
>>> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
>>> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues and
>>> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will send
>>> me
>>> stuff directly; we’ll see.
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 16 04:14:22 2012
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:14:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Conference Call Follow Up
In-Reply-To: <4f121ae5.0697640a.526a.32c2@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <COL118-DS64F010465FEDC7AE5DA89BA830@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

It seemed as though several people had some trouble gaining access to 
tonight's membership conference call about Washington Seminar. Regardless if 
you experienced problems using the access number, or you simply forgot about 
the conference call altogether, here is what I recall taking place during 
the meeting.

Lauren McLarney, Government Program Specialist of the National Federation of 
the Blind, served as our special guest for this conference call. She began 
the call by giving us a brief overview about Washington Seminar, and 
highlighted the three issues we will be presenting to Congress this year. 
Issues for this year's Washington Seminar include the following:

1.	The Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act of 2011 (H.R. 3086)

2.	The Home Appliance Accessibility Act (HAAA)

3.	The Americans with Disabilities Business Opportunity Act (ADBOA)

If you would like to learn more about these issues, I suggest reading over 
the fact sheets that have been distributed on the general mass email list, 
and have been posted on the national website under the section about 
Washington Seminar.

Lauren was then asked to provide information about how Washington Seminar 
works, and the Great Gathering In meeting. She explained that each morning 
of Washington Seminar, she sits down with her colleagues from the 
governmental affairs office, and goes over the information that people bring 
in to the Mercury room. For those who may not know, the Mercury room is 
where people report what took place during their meeting with their member 
of Congress using a ratings scale. This information is then used to help 
prioritize the actions taken by the governmental affairs office.

Lauren explained that sometimes a member of the governmental affairs office 
might tag along on a meeting with members of the state affiliates. She 
explained that this is not because the governmental affairs team believes 
that affiliate members are not confident enough to present the issues to the 
member of Congress, but rather because they may feel as though this meeting 
is important, and would like to be able to follow up with this member of 
Congress after Washington Seminar concludes.

The Great Gathering In meeting will take place this year on Monday, February 
6, 2012 at 5:00 pm in the Columbia Ballroom. I suggest you get to the room 
early as seats generally fill up quickly. Lauren said this is her favorite 
night of the year since it is where everyone gets to hear about the 
legislative issues we will be discussing with members of Congress. Sometimes 
there are also special guest speakers from outside the organization who come 
and speak to us as well.

Meetings with members of Congress then take place from Tuesday through 
Thursday depending on how each state affiliate schedule these meetings. If 
you have any questions about how your specific state affiliate schedules 
their meetings, I would encourage you to contact your state affiliate 
President. Your chapter President may be able to give you this information 
as well.

Lauren then spoke about how students can get involved even though they may 
not be able to attend Washington Seminar. She explained that meeting with 
members of Congress is only the first step in advocating for our legislative 
issues. The real work continues after Washington Seminar as members of state 
affiliates continue to contact their member of Congress to follow up with 
the meeting that took place during Washington Seminar. The way our 
legislative issues pass is not simply done by meeting with members of 
Congress during Washington Seminar, but through continued constant follow up 
throughout the rest of the year by general members of the organization.

Please note this is simply a summary of what I recall taking place during 
the conference call. Anyone is free to correct me if they believe any part 
of this summary of the conference call is incorrect. I just simply wanted to 
make sure everyone could receive this information regardless of whether or 
not they were able to attend or access the conference call. Hopefully this 
summary proves to be helpful to those who were not able to join the 
conference call.

Elizabeth
 



From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 16 04:31:00 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:31:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Conference Call Follow Up
In-Reply-To: <COL118-DS64F010465FEDC7AE5DA89BA830@phx.gbl>
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	<COL118-DS64F010465FEDC7AE5DA89BA830@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <17777DE1BAF9463680342A2F575164A6@OwnerPC>

nice summary and sounds like a great washington seminar planned

-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:14 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Conference Call Follow Up

Hello All,

It seemed as though several people had some trouble gaining access to
tonight's membership conference call about Washington Seminar. Regardless if
you experienced problems using the access number, or you simply forgot about
the conference call altogether, here is what I recall taking place during
the meeting.

Lauren McLarney, Government Program Specialist of the National Federation of
the Blind, served as our special guest for this conference call. She began
the call by giving us a brief overview about Washington Seminar, and
highlighted the three issues we will be presenting to Congress this year.
Issues for this year's Washington Seminar include the following:

1. The Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act of 2011 (H.R. 3086)

2. The Home Appliance Accessibility Act (HAAA)

3. The Americans with Disabilities Business Opportunity Act (ADBOA)

If you would like to learn more about these issues, I suggest reading over
the fact sheets that have been distributed on the general mass email list,
and have been posted on the national website under the section about
Washington Seminar.

Lauren was then asked to provide information about how Washington Seminar
works, and the Great Gathering In meeting. She explained that each morning
of Washington Seminar, she sits down with her colleagues from the
governmental affairs office, and goes over the information that people bring
in to the Mercury room. For those who may not know, the Mercury room is
where people report what took place during their meeting with their member
of Congress using a ratings scale. This information is then used to help
prioritize the actions taken by the governmental affairs office.

Lauren explained that sometimes a member of the governmental affairs office
might tag along on a meeting with members of the state affiliates. She
explained that this is not because the governmental affairs team believes
that affiliate members are not confident enough to present the issues to the
member of Congress, but rather because they may feel as though this meeting
is important, and would like to be able to follow up with this member of
Congress after Washington Seminar concludes.

The Great Gathering In meeting will take place this year on Monday, February
6, 2012 at 5:00 pm in the Columbia Ballroom. I suggest you get to the room
early as seats generally fill up quickly. Lauren said this is her favorite
night of the year since it is where everyone gets to hear about the
legislative issues we will be discussing with members of Congress. Sometimes
there are also special guest speakers from outside the organization who come
and speak to us as well.

Meetings with members of Congress then take place from Tuesday through
Thursday depending on how each state affiliate schedule these meetings. If
you have any questions about how your specific state affiliate schedules
their meetings, I would encourage you to contact your state affiliate
President. Your chapter President may be able to give you this information
as well.

Lauren then spoke about how students can get involved even though they may
not be able to attend Washington Seminar. She explained that meeting with
members of Congress is only the first step in advocating for our legislative
issues. The real work continues after Washington Seminar as members of state
affiliates continue to contact their member of Congress to follow up with
the meeting that took place during Washington Seminar. The way our
legislative issues pass is not simply done by meeting with members of
Congress during Washington Seminar, but through continued constant follow up
throughout the rest of the year by general members of the organization.

Please note this is simply a summary of what I recall taking place during
the conference call. Anyone is free to correct me if they believe any part
of this summary of the conference call is incorrect. I just simply wanted to
make sure everyone could receive this information regardless of whether or
not they were able to attend or access the conference call. Hopefully this
summary proves to be helpful to those who were not able to join the
conference call.

Elizabeth



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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 04:52:32 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:52:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs Membership Call: Washington
	Seminar/legislativeinvolvement 101
Message-ID: <4f13ad3d.d289ec0a.2c27.ffffcee8@mx.google.com>

Sorry, the call's over now, but for the future, the number is 
712-775-7100.  The passcode to get in is 257963.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Perrault" <iperrault at hotmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:01:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabs Membership Call: Washington 
Seminar/legislativeinvolvement 101


        Hi
I dialed the number for the NFB Washington Seminar call and it 
said that it
couldn't be completed.  What's the number? I dialed 712-775-1200.


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 17:54:59 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:54:59 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
Message-ID: <4f1464a1.a490ec0a.3034.ffff9385@mx.google.com>

That's=20a=20good=20idea.=20=20It=20might=20also=20be=20on=20the=20DOJ=20or=
=20ADA=20Web=20site=20
(probably=20ADA,)=20but=20the=20hotline=20would=20be=20a=20good=20place=20t=
o=20start.=20=20
By=20the=20way,=20what=20is=20the=20number=20for=20the=20hotline?

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2015=20Jan=202012=2021:52:52=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20textbooks=20and=20inaccessible=20cds

okay;=20I=20might=20call=20the=20DOJ=20ADA=20hotline,=20they=20would=20know=


-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20Joshua=20Lester
Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2015,=202012=209:24=20PM
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20textbooks=20and=20inaccessible=20cds

I'm=20not=20sure=20the=20citation,=20and=20the=20section=20of=20the=20ADA,=
=20but=20I=20
heard=20it
on=20the=20news,=20in=20June,=20of=202011.
Blessings,=20Joshua

On=201/15/12,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>=20wrote:
=20Joshua,
=20Can=20you=20site=20the=20case=20and=20section=20of=20the=20ADA?
=20I=20might=20call=20DOJ=20and=20find=20out.=20=20That=20is=20if=20I=20do=
=20not=20get=20anywhere=20
with=20the
=20publisher.

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Joshua=20Lester
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2015,=202012=209:03=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20textbooks=20and=20inaccessible=20cds

=20Ashley,=20they=20have=20to=20make=20them=20accessible.
=20The=20Department=20of=20Justice=20said=20so.
=20They=20ruled,=20two=20years=20ago,=20that=20the=20ADA=20now=20applies=20=
to=20Websites.
=20Blessings,=20Joshua

=20On=201/15/12,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>=20wrote:=

=20Hi=20all,

=20I=20do=20not=20think=20publishers=20have=20to=20make=20their=20cds=20and=
=20websites=20
accessible.
=20Sometimes=20a=20text=20comes=20with=20a=20companion=20cd.
=20But=20it=20seems=20right=20to=20do=20so.=20=20Well,=20I=92m=20trying=20t=
o=20take=20an=20intro=20
to
=20computers
=20class.

=20Know=20what?=20The=20site=20uses=20flash=20and=20is=20not=20accessible!=
=20At=20least=20
not=20on=20the
=20first=20page.=20=20I=20might=20be=20able=20to=20get=20someone=20to=20cli=
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something=20and=20get
=20in
=20that=20way.=20=20The=20CD=20is=20the=20same=20way!
=20The=20publisher=20is=20Paradigm.=20=20Has=20anyone=20else=20used=20their=
=20books=20and=20
run=20=20into
=20this?

=20I=20like=20to=20access=20the=20cd=20and/or=20textbook=20website=20becaus=
e=20you=20get=20
other
=20benefits=20such=20as=20chapter=20summaries,=20definition=20of=20terms,=20=
other=20
study
=20tools,
=20and=20practice=20quizzes.=20=20I=20don=92t=20do=20this=20for=20every=20c=
lass;=20I=20do=20
have=20a=20life.
=20But
=20some=20classes,=20I=20do=20take=20a=20few=20practice=20quizzes=20and=20I=
=20find=20it=20
helps=20me
=20prepare=20and=20study=20for=20the=20real=20quiz=20or=20test.

=20I=20might=20report=20this=20if=20I=20can=20find=20a=20point=20of=20conta=
ct;=20I=92m=20hoping=20
they
=20have

=20a
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=20cd-rom=20
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 17:54:55 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:54:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
Message-ID: <4f14649e.a490ec0a.3034.ffff937d@mx.google.com>

You=20might=20want=20to=20Google=20it=20or=20something.

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20<jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2015=20Jan=202012=2020:24:43=20-0600
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20textbooks=20and=20inaccessible=20cds

I'm=20not=20sure=20the=20citation,=20and=20the=20section=20of=20the=20ADA,=
=20but=20I=20
heard=20it
on=20the=20news,=20in=20June,=20of=202011.
Blessings,=20Joshua

On=201/15/12,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>=20wrote:
=20Joshua,
=20Can=20you=20site=20the=20case=20and=20section=20of=20the=20ADA?
=20I=20might=20call=20DOJ=20and=20find=20out.=20=20That=20is=20if=20I=20do=
=20not=20get=20anywhere=20
with=20the
=20publisher.

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Joshua=20Lester
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2015,=202012=209:03=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20textbooks=20and=20inaccessible=20cds

=20Ashley,=20they=20have=20to=20make=20them=20accessible.
=20The=20Department=20of=20Justice=20said=20so.
=20They=20ruled,=20two=20years=20ago,=20that=20the=20ADA=20now=20applies=20=
to=20Websites.
=20Blessings,=20Joshua

=20On=201/15/12,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>=20wrote:=

=20Hi=20all,

=20I=20do=20not=20think=20publishers=20have=20to=20make=20their=20cds=20and=
=20websites=20
accessible.
=20Sometimes=20a=20text=20comes=20with=20a=20companion=20cd.
=20But=20it=20seems=20right=20to=20do=20so.=20=20Well,=20I=92m=20trying=20t=
o=20take=20an=20intro=20
to
=20computers
=20class.

=20Know=20what?=20The=20site=20uses=20flash=20and=20is=20not=20accessible!=
=20At=20least=20
not=20on=20the
=20first=20page.=20=20I=20might=20be=20able=20to=20get=20someone=20to=20cli=
ck=20on=20
something=20and=20get
=20in
=20that=20way.=20=20The=20CD=20is=20the=20same=20way!
=20The=20publisher=20is=20Paradigm.=20=20Has=20anyone=20else=20used=20their=
=20books=20and=20
run=20=20into
=20this?

=20I=20like=20to=20access=20the=20cd=20and/or=20textbook=20website=20becaus=
e=20you=20get=20
other
=20benefits=20such=20as=20chapter=20summaries,=20definition=20of=20terms,=20=
other=20
study
=20tools,
=20and=20practice=20quizzes.=20=20I=20don=92t=20do=20this=20for=20every=20c=
lass;=20I=20do=20
have=20a=20life.
=20But
=20some=20classes,=20I=20do=20take=20a=20few=20practice=20quizzes=20and=20I=
=20find=20it=20
helps=20me
=20prepare=20and=20study=20for=20the=20real=20quiz=20or=20test.

=20I=20might=20report=20this=20if=20I=20can=20find=20a=20point=20of=20conta=
ct;=20I=92m=20hoping=20
they=20have

=20a
=20diversity=20or=20accessibility=20department.=20=20We=20will=20see.
=20If=20anyone=20had=20success=20in=20reporting=20publisher=20website=20or=
=20cd-rom=20
issues=20and
=20got=20them=20fixed,=20that=20would=20be=20nice=20to=20know.=20=20Maybe=20=
the=20publisher=20
will=20send
=20me
=20stuff=20directly;=20we=92ll=20see.
=20Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 17:55:01 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:55:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Conference Call Follow Up
Message-ID: <4f1464a3.a490ec0a.3034.ffff9388@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth,

That was a wonderful summary; thank you for that! I was 
unfortunately unable to attend the conference call last night (I 
hope it was recorded,) but your summary was very helpful to me.  
Maybe you or someone else could do this for all of our calls, 
just to follow up and keep us up to date! Thanks again!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:14:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Conference Call Follow Up

Hello All,

It seemed as though several people had some trouble gaining 
access to
tonight's membership conference call about Washington Seminar.  
Regardless if
you experienced problems using the access number, or you simply 
forgot about
the conference call altogether, here is what I recall taking 
place during
the meeting.

Lauren McLarney, Government Program Specialist of the National 
Federation of
the Blind, served as our special guest for this conference call.  
She began
the call by giving us a brief overview about Washington Seminar, 
and
highlighted the three issues we will be presenting to Congress 
this year.
Issues for this year's Washington Seminar include the following:

1.	The Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act of 2011 
(H.R.  3086)

2.	The Home Appliance Accessibility Act (HAAA)

3.	The Americans with Disabilities Business Opportunity Act 
(ADBOA)

If you would like to learn more about these issues, I suggest 
reading over
the fact sheets that have been distributed on the general mass 
email list,
and have been posted on the national website under the section 
about
Washington Seminar.

Lauren was then asked to provide information about how Washington 
Seminar
works, and the Great Gathering In meeting.  She explained that 
each morning
of Washington Seminar, she sits down with her colleagues from the
governmental affairs office, and goes over the information that 
people bring
in to the Mercury room.  For those who may not know, the Mercury 
room is
where people report what took place during their meeting with 
their member
of Congress using a ratings scale.  This information is then used 
to help
prioritize the actions taken by the governmental affairs office.

Lauren explained that sometimes a member of the governmental 
affairs office
might tag along on a meeting with members of the state 
affiliates.  She
explained that this is not because the governmental affairs team 
believes
that affiliate members are not confident enough to present the 
issues to the
member of Congress, but rather because they may feel as though 
this meeting
is important, and would like to be able to follow up with this 
member of
Congress after Washington Seminar concludes.

The Great Gathering In meeting will take place this year on 
Monday, February
6, 2012 at 5:00 pm in the Columbia Ballroom.  I suggest you get 
to the room
early as seats generally fill up quickly.  Lauren said this is 
her favorite
night of the year since it is where everyone gets to hear about 
the
legislative issues we will be discussing with members of 
Congress.  Sometimes
there are also special guest speakers from outside the 
organization who come
and speak to us as well.

Meetings with members of Congress then take place from Tuesday 
through
Thursday depending on how each state affiliate schedule these 
meetings.  If
you have any questions about how your specific state affiliate 
schedules
their meetings, I would encourage you to contact your state 
affiliate
President.  Your chapter President may be able to give you this 
information
as well.

Lauren then spoke about how students can get involved even though 
they may
not be able to attend Washington Seminar.  She explained that 
meeting with
members of Congress is only the first step in advocating for our 
legislative
issues.  The real work continues after Washington Seminar as 
members of state
affiliates continue to contact their member of Congress to follow 
up with
the meeting that took place during Washington Seminar.  The way 
our
legislative issues pass is not simply done by meeting with 
members of
Congress during Washington Seminar, but through continued 
constant follow up
throughout the rest of the year by general members of the 
organization.

Please note this is simply a summary of what I recall taking 
place during
the conference call.  Anyone is free to correct me if they 
believe any part
of this summary of the conference call is incorrect.  I just 
simply wanted to
make sure everyone could receive this information regardless of 
whether or
not they were able to attend or access the conference call.  
Hopefully this
summary proves to be helpful to those who were not able to join 
the
conference call.

Elizabeth



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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Jan 16 18:04:14 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:04:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
In-Reply-To: <4f14649e.a490ec0a.3034.ffff937d@mx.google.com>
References: <4f14649e.a490ec0a.3034.ffff937d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOtr3vGRDWT4PD43yO-bWL8atmA0wMMkeespr2A0RnEZQA@mail.gmail.com>

I Googled it, and there's alot of great info, on the ADA Website.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/16/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> You might want to Google it or something.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:24:43 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>
> I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I
> heard it
> on the news, in June, of 2011.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>  Joshua,
>  Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
>  I might call DOJ and find out.  That is if I do not get anywhere
> with the
>  publisher.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Joshua Lester
>  Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>
>  Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
>  The Department of Justice said so.
>  They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
>  Blessings, Joshua
>
>  On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>  Hi all,
>
>  I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites
> accessible.
>  Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>  But it seems right to do so.  Well, I뭢 trying to take an intro
> to
>  computers
>  class.
>
>  Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least
> not on the
>  first page.  I might be able to get someone to click on
> something and get
>  in
>  that way.  The CD is the same way!
>  The publisher is Paradigm.  Has anyone else used their books and
> run  into
>  this?
>
>  I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get
> other
>  benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other
> study
>  tools,
>  and practice quizzes.  I don뭪 do this for every class; I do
> have a life.
>  But
>  some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it
> helps me
>  prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>
>  I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I뭢 hoping
> they have
>
>  a
>  diversity or accessibility department.  We will see.
>  If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom
> issues and
>  got them fixed, that would be nice to know.  Maybe the publisher
> will send
>  me
>  stuff directly; we뭠l see.
>  Ashley
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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 02:57:30 2012
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:57:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
In-Reply-To: <EE27025C4CAC4F3EA1F1AC5387BAC062@OwnerPC>
References: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvV5R_TWsgEgwHGm2o9igNF3gYCG=+xjq-0KmnozM3PUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<AD48136EFA544341899C0AB816F8A86C@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvBdQ2qGsk-x4WeG4q3y+X9GR15uCWYa-RuFijanhemDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EE27025C4CAC4F3EA1F1AC5387BAC062@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CALUTO91fWsF4kFmUcN2XdbXyX9M7F0+XE34DqT5nfKvTOPC7oA@mail.gmail.com>

Ashley,

Do you iether know the number of the hot line, or know where I could
get it?  I did a quick skim of the Department Of Justice website, and
am not finding anything, and thought the info might be helpful to more
people on the list than just myself.
Thanks.
Courtney


From marrie12 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 22:56:49 2012
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:56:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] This week's tcjwb on Wics Radio America
Message-ID: <0B4C4894-8520-4FFB-968D-44E43DDA1C5B@gmail.com>

Hello to all.

Today We will be hearing a lot of copland. I lost a lot of stuff when I dropped my hd down the stairs 2 years ago lol! but we will be ending with the I had a dream speech and maybe the battle hymn of the republic. We will also be making a important announcement regarding WICS so you will want to tune in. I'll email tomorrow to recap the announcement or yu can check my twitter and the wics twitter regarding the blog post.

Info is below. 

place: http://listen.ultrastreams.us:8022/stream.m3u
time: monday from 9-11 pm eastern, 8-10 pm central, 7-9 mountain, and 6-8 pm Pacific

contact info
show twitter: http://twitter.com/tcjwb
station twitter: http://twitter.com/wicsradio. 

If you need to contact me off air  contact me here.
http://marrie.org/contact.php
or here.
http://twitter.com/marrie1
See you there.


From liamskitten at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 03:07:55 2012
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:07:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOvMQvRGackUvBxPWSnnZwoi7b08qO78OExJVQWBeAsFKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvV5R_TWsgEgwHGm2o9igNF3gYCG=+xjq-0KmnozM3PUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<AD48136EFA544341899C0AB816F8A86C@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvBdQ2qGsk-x4WeG4q3y+X9GR15uCWYa-RuFijanhemDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EE27025C4CAC4F3EA1F1AC5387BAC062@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvMQvRGackUvBxPWSnnZwoi7b08qO78OExJVQWBeAsFKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALUTO92L6Ndw-5eJxKYrMOUei8i4dPsvKw1v-kv1XOxT5_KkfA@mail.gmail.com>

Ashley,

Do you iether know the number of the hot line, or know where I could
get it?  I did a quick skim of the Department Of Justice website, and
am not finding anything, and thought the info might be helpful to more
people on the list than just myself.
Thanks.
Courtney


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan 17 00:54:35 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:54:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about another Braille Transcriber
Message-ID: <CAO83KOsGnsyWYrFCdR4YmqkWqAjHdaGYo1ivEE9XN0M1OwAQng@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
Does the Braille Institute of North America, still transcribe college Textbooks?
Thanks, Joshua


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 01:36:38 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:36:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of the blind?
Message-ID: <4f14d0d5.54dfe00a.0ef7.ffffd34b@mx.google.com>

Fellow Federationists,

As I have become more and more active in the blind community and 
have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of blind 
people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind, for 
one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the 
political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't 
want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree 
with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify 
themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and 
there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the 
value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an 
organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of 
resources, who can help answer almost any question they would 
have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that if 
they had any problems, being a part of an organization would help 
them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have 
advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still 
don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to 
get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is 
important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of what 
benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind 
people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people 
don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as 
sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to 
blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists) 
want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we 
(blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization 
exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the 
blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your 
responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your 
thoughts on this!
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 17 01:43:59 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:43:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
In-Reply-To: <CALUTO92L6Ndw-5eJxKYrMOUei8i4dPsvKw1v-kv1XOxT5_KkfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC><CAO83KOvV5R_TWsgEgwHGm2o9igNF3gYCG=+xjq-0KmnozM3PUg@mail.gmail.com><AD48136EFA544341899C0AB816F8A86C@OwnerPC><CAO83KOvBdQ2qGsk-x4WeG4q3y+X9GR15uCWYa-RuFijanhemDg@mail.gmail.com><EE27025C4CAC4F3EA1F1AC5387BAC062@OwnerPC><CAO83KOvMQvRGackUvBxPWSnnZwoi7b08qO78OExJVQWBeAsFKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALUTO92L6Ndw-5eJxKYrMOUei8i4dPsvKw1v-kv1XOxT5_KkfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <213A202093534B7BB98F109EACFBAF99@OwnerPC>

Not sure where I put it. If I find it I'll let you know.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Courtney Stover
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:07 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds

Ashley,

Do you iether know the number of the hot line, or know where I could
get it?  I did a quick skim of the Department Of Justice website, and
am not finding anything, and thought the info might be helpful to more
people on the list than just myself.
Thanks.
Courtney

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan 17 01:50:33 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:50:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of the
	blind?
In-Reply-To: <4f14d0d5.54dfe00a.0ef7.ffffd34b@mx.google.com>
References: <4f14d0d5.54dfe00a.0ef7.ffffd34b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOs++PiG_X3qjcC8yExB4J_sq2_52m-2DGKjty0YthuwoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Funny that someone of another race, didn't ask African Americans this
question, when they organized, for Civil Rights.
Blind people are working together, for the equality, they deserve.
I'm proud of our organization, and I'm standing with everyone else!
The benefits of being in an organization like this, (for me,) are as follows.
#1. Conventions give us the opportunity to meet other blind people,
and we can be enspired by their successes.
#2. Advocacy!
#3. If we have questions, we can always go to someone, within the
organization, that can help us.
I've always said, that ever since, 2009, (when I first joined the
NFB,) it has been like a second family.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/16/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Fellow Federationists,
>
> As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
> have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of blind
> people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind, for
> one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
> political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
> want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
> with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
> themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
> there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
> value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
> organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
> resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
> have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that if
> they had any problems, being a part of an organization would help
> them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
> advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
> don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
> get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
> important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of what
> benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
> people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
> don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
> sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
> blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
> want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
> (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
> exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
> blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
> responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
> thoughts on this!
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 01:55:18 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:55:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about another Braille Transcriber
Message-ID: <4f14d535.02bfe00a.1a9c.ffff8c12@mx.google.com>

I believe they do, but check out their Web site to make sure.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:54:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about another Braille Transcriber

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
Does the Braille Institute of North America, still transcribe 
college Textbooks?
Thanks, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 02:00:05 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:00:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of
	theblind?
Message-ID: <4f14d654.d4dbe00a.310f.ffff8214@mx.google.com>

I totally agree! Great points!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:50:33 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization 
of theblind?

Funny that someone of another race, didn't ask African Americans 
this
question, when they organized, for Civil Rights.
Blind people are working together, for the equality, they 
deserve.
I'm proud of our organization, and I'm standing with everyone 
else!
The benefits of being in an organization like this, (for me,) are 
as follows.
#1.  Conventions give us the opportunity to meet other blind 
people,
and we can be enspired by their successes.
#2.  Advocacy!
#3.  If we have questions, we can always go to someone, within 
the
organization, that can help us.
I've always said, that ever since, 2009, (when I first joined the
NFB,) it has been like a second family.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/16/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Fellow Federationists,

 As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
 have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of 
blind
 people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind, 
for
 one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
 political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
 want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
 with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
 themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
 there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
 value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
 organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
 resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
 have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that 
if
 they had any problems, being a part of an organization would 
help
 them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
 advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
 don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
 get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
 important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of 
what
 benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
 people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
 don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
 sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
 blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
 want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
 (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
 exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
 blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
 responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
 thoughts on this!
 Thanks,

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

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From aubielynn at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 02:53:38 2012
From: aubielynn at gmail.com (Aubrie Lucas)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:53:38 -0900
Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of the
	blind?
In-Reply-To: <4f14d0d5.54dfe00a.0ef7.ffffd34b@mx.google.com>
References: <4f14d0d5.54dfe00a.0ef7.ffffd34b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000001ccd4c3$3935f350$aba1d9f0$@com>

Haven't minorities trying to achieve goals often banded together? (NAACP,
NAWSA, for examples.)

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:37 PM
To: NFB Talk List; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of the blind?

Fellow Federationists,

As I have become more and more active in the blind community and 
have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of blind 
people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind, for 
one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the 
political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't 
want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree 
with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify 
themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and 
there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the 
value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an 
organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of 
resources, who can help answer almost any question they would 
have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that if 
they had any problems, being a part of an organization would help 
them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have 
advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still 
don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to 
get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is 
important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of what 
benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind 
people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people 
don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as 
sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to 
blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists) 
want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we 
(blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization 
exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the 
blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your 
responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your 
thoughts on this!
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan 17 02:57:56 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:57:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of the
	blind?
In-Reply-To: <000001ccd4c3$3935f350$aba1d9f0$@com>
References: <4f14d0d5.54dfe00a.0ef7.ffffd34b@mx.google.com>
	<000001ccd4c3$3935f350$aba1d9f0$@com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOuLXcaawLPP_rDmMJ9uOmpzpJW=BkOd+CcpHne+J1w95w@mail.gmail.com>

That was my point.
Thanks, Aubrie, for shedding more light on it.
BTW, speaking of civil rights for the blind, can someone start a
thread, on the latest on the Fair Wages Act?
That is one reason, why people should join the organizations, for
legislative benefits.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/16/12, Aubrie Lucas <aubielynn at gmail.com> wrote:
> Haven't minorities trying to achieve goals often banded together? (NAACP,
> NAWSA, for examples.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:37 PM
> To: NFB Talk List; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
> Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of the blind?
>
> Fellow Federationists,
>
> As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
> have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of blind
> people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind, for
> one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
> political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
> want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
> with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
> themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
> there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
> value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
> organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
> resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
> have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that if
> they had any problems, being a part of an organization would help
> them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
> advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
> don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
> get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
> important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of what
> benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
> people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
> don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
> sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
> blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
> want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
> (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
> exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
> blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
> responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
> thoughts on this!
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> _______________________________________________
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From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com  Tue Jan 17 03:43:03 2012
From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:43:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] books in pdf
Message-ID: <93869B7373584D73A37B86E9C8105898@LorenPC>

I recently received most of my textbooks in pdf.  Can someone tell me a few tips on moving around in a pdf-type document?  How does one find particular pages, sections, etc?  Can you have the document open where you left off?  Is there a more efficient way to go from page to page than control-page down and hitting page up to go to the top of the page?  Some basic tips would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.  

Loren 


From carlymih at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 17 04:13:53 2012
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:13:53 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of the
 blind?
In-Reply-To: <4f14d0d5.54dfe00a.0ef7.ffffd34b@mx.google.com>
References: <4f14d0d5.54dfe00a.0ef7.ffffd34b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120116200639.01ce3e50@earthlink.net>

Hi, Chris,

Just as you and other organized, blind folk are allowed to thrive due 
to a comradery with others who lend support, a home made up of people 
with whom you identify, there are those who prefer to operate without 
the emotional/benefit, of an organization. Is there not room, for 
everyone, here?
I find it a little, creepy your trying to lay a template made up of 
your own beliefs upon other blind people. Not every, single blind 
person wants everything the Federation is, in there lives.
for today, Car" to one organization; some say they don't agree with 
either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify 
themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and there 
are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the value of the 
Federation in my life, and how joining an organization of the blind 
connects you with a diverse network of resources, who can help answer 
almost any question they would have related to blindness.  I also try 
to explain to them that if they had any problems, being a part of an 
organization would help them with their advocacy efforts; the more 
people you have advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But 
they still don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I 
want to get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is 
important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of what 
benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind people 
at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people don't have any 
organizations dedicated to their concerns as sighted people; why 
should I join an organization dedicated to blindness?" Still others 
have said, "Don't you (Federationists) want to be equal with sighted 
people? If so, then why do we (blind people) need to be organized in 
some kind of organization exclusively of and for the blind and people 
associated with the blind?" These are some interesting questions; 
what would your responses be to those people? I look forward to 
hearing your thoughts on this!
>Thanks,
>
>Chris
>
>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, 
>blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>-- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>_______________________________________________
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 04:42:06 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:42:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...
Message-ID: <-6445401115701921877@unknownmsgid>

Hello all,
I'm posting this here just because I think it can be helpful to some
people, but I really don't have anything to do with the company that
produces this accessory or anything like that.
About a month ago I received a very convenient iPhone bluetooth
keybord as a gift. Basically it's a regular iPhone case which has a
slide-out keyboard. I have always lived in peace with the on-screen
iPhone keyboard, but I must say that this case makes it a lot faster
for me to type as a blind user. I know many people don't like typing
on a touch screen, and this thing really solves the issue. I also find
that using the keybort and the touch screen together is really
efficient when navigating apps and websites.
This device is made by a company called Nuu, and the model name is Mini Key.
Hope this helps someone!!

IC

Sent from my iPhone


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 04:49:00 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:49:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...
Message-ID: <4f14fdd9.a668320a.32c3.ffffb08b@mx.google.com>

Where do you get this?  I have a friend in Florida who has an 
iPhone and may need this.  She is in Daytona Beach.  Do you know 
where they sell stuff like that?
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
To: National list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:42:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...

Hello all,
I'm posting this here just because I think it can be helpful to 
some
people, but I really don't have anything to do with the company 
that
produces this accessory or anything like that.
About a month ago I received a very convenient iPhone bluetooth
keybord as a gift. Basically it's a regular iPhone case which has 
a
slide-out keyboard. I have always lived in peace with the 
on-screen
iPhone keyboard, but I must say that this case makes it a lot 
faster
for me to type as a blind user. I know many people don't like 
typing
on a touch screen, and this thing really solves the issue. I also 
find
that using the keybort and the touch screen together is really
efficient when navigating apps and websites.
This device is made by a company called Nuu, and the model name 
is Mini Key.
Hope this helps someone!!

IC

Sent from my iPhone

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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 05:03:26 2012
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:03:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...
References: <4f14fdd9.a668320a.32c3.ffffb08b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0A781F66FDA54BCFB464835134D3AB08@hometwxakonvzn>

Who do you need in Daytona? RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...


> Where do you get this?  I have a friend in Florida who has an iPhone and 
> may need this.  She is in Daytona Beach.  Do you know where they sell 
> stuff like that?
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> To: National list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:42:06 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...
>
> Hello all,
> I'm posting this here just because I think it can be helpful to some
> people, but I really don't have anything to do with the company that
> produces this accessory or anything like that.
> About a month ago I received a very convenient iPhone bluetooth
> keybord as a gift. Basically it's a regular iPhone case which has a
> slide-out keyboard. I have always lived in peace with the on-screen
> iPhone keyboard, but I must say that this case makes it a lot faster
> for me to type as a blind user. I know many people don't like typing
> on a touch screen, and this thing really solves the issue. I also find
> that using the keybort and the touch screen together is really
> efficient when navigating apps and websites.
> This device is made by a company called Nuu, and the model name is Mini 
> Key.
> Hope this helps someone!!
>
> IC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 05:31:34 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:31:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...
In-Reply-To: <4f14fdd9.a668320a.32c3.ffffb08b@mx.google.com>
References: <4f14fdd9.a668320a.32c3.ffffb08b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1225059963343091786@unknownmsgid>

Just look for Nuu Mini Key on amazon.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2012, at 11:50 PM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:

> Where do you get this?  I have a friend in Florida who has an iPhone and may need this.  She is in Daytona Beach.  Do you know where they sell stuff like that?
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> To: National list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:42:06 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...
>
> Hello all,
> I'm posting this here just because I think it can be helpful to some
> people, but I really don't have anything to do with the company that
> produces this accessory or anything like that.
> About a month ago I received a very convenient iPhone bluetooth
> keybord as a gift. Basically it's a regular iPhone case which has a
> slide-out keyboard. I have always lived in peace with the on-screen
> iPhone keyboard, but I must say that this case makes it a lot faster
> for me to type as a blind user. I know many people don't like typing
> on a touch screen, and this thing really solves the issue. I also find
> that using the keybort and the touch screen together is really
> efficient when navigating apps and websites.
> This device is made by a company called Nuu, and the model name is Mini Key.
> Hope this helps someone!!
>
> IC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 05:34:56 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:34:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...
Message-ID: <4f15089e.123de70a.6843.4959@mx.google.com>

Whwuat I'm saying is that I have a friend in Daytona Beach who 
could use this accessory.  I'm not going to put her name on this 
e-mail in case somebody has to say something and she gets word of 
it.  Whuat I'm saying is where in the Daytona beach area could 
you get the Mini Key?
Also, where in Denver could you get this Mini Key?
beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:03:26 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...

Who do you need in Daytona? RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...


 Where do you get this?  I have a friend in Florida who has an 
iPhone and
 may need this.  She is in Daytona Beach.  Do you know where they 
sell
 stuff like that?
 Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
 To: National list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:42:06 -0500
 Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...

 Hello all,
 I'm posting this here just because I think it can be helpful to 
some
 people, but I really don't have anything to do with the company 
that
 produces this accessory or anything like that.
 About a month ago I received a very convenient iPhone bluetooth
 keybord as a gift. Basically it's a regular iPhone case which 
has a
 slide-out keyboard. I have always lived in peace with the 
on-screen
 iPhone keyboard, but I must say that this case makes it a lot 
faster
 for me to type as a blind user. I know many people don't like 
typing
 on a touch screen, and this thing really solves the issue. I 
also find
 that using the keybort and the touch screen together is really
 efficient when navigating apps and websites.
 This device is made by a company called Nuu, and the model name 
is Mini
 Key.
 Hope this helps someone!!

 IC

 Sent from my iPhone

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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 05:36:03 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:36:03 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...
Message-ID: <4f1508e0.8999320a.4e58.3a9d@mx.google.com>

Oh that's easy.  I'll let her know.  How much did yours cost on 
eAmazon?  E-bay?
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:31:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...

Just look for Nuu Mini Key on amazon.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2012, at 11:50 PM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> 
wrote:

 Where do you get this?  I have a friend in Florida who has an 
iPhone and may need this.  She is in Daytona Beach.  Do you know 
where they sell stuff like that?
 Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
 To: National list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:42:06 -0500
 Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...

 Hello all,
 I'm posting this here just because I think it can be helpful to 
some
 people, but I really don't have anything to do with the company 
that
 produces this accessory or anything like that.
 About a month ago I received a very convenient iPhone bluetooth
 keybord as a gift. Basically it's a regular iPhone case which 
has a
 slide-out keyboard. I have always lived in peace with the 
on-screen
 iPhone keyboard, but I must say that this case makes it a lot 
faster
 for me to type as a blind user. I know many people don't like 
typing
 on a touch screen, and this thing really solves the issue. I 
also find
 that using the keybort and the touch screen together is really
 efficient when navigating apps and websites.
 This device is made by a company called Nuu, and the model name 
is Mini Key.
 Hope this helps someone!!

 IC

 Sent from my iPhone

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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 05:37:44 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:37:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] translating apps that blind people can use for fb
	sstatuses in other languages
Message-ID: <4f150945.a668320a.32c3.ffffbf2d@mx.google.com>

Hi, all.
If you're like me, then you know what it's like to have more than 
700 FB friends and some speak not only English, but Dutch and 
German.  I was wondering if there was a way to translate Facebook 
statuses from German to English, then if you want to comment on 
someone's status again, write it in English, then using the same 
app, translate it into German and so on.  Any ideas?
Beth


From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 15:31:47 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:31:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...
In-Reply-To: <4f1508e0.8999320a.4e58.3a9d@mx.google.com>
References: <4f1508e0.8999320a.4e58.3a9d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <-4271172159565722803@unknownmsgid>

I think its $50 or maybe $60...

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:46 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh that's easy.  I'll let her know.  How much did yours cost on eAmazon?  E-bay?
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:31:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...
>
> Just look for Nuu Mini Key on amazon.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2012, at 11:50 PM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Where do you get this?  I have a friend in Florida who has an iPhone and may need this.  She is in Daytona Beach.  Do you know where they sell stuff like that?
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> To: National list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:42:06 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...
>
> Hello all,
> I'm posting this here just because I think it can be helpful to some
> people, but I really don't have anything to do with the company that
> produces this accessory or anything like that.
> About a month ago I received a very convenient iPhone bluetooth
> keybord as a gift. Basically it's a regular iPhone case which has a
> slide-out keyboard. I have always lived in peace with the on-screen
> iPhone keyboard, but I must say that this case makes it a lot faster
> for me to type as a blind user. I know many people don't like typing
> on a touch screen, and this thing really solves the issue. I also find
> that using the keybort and the touch screen together is really
> efficient when navigating apps and websites.
> This device is made by a company called Nuu, and the model name is Mini Key.
> Hope this helps someone!!
>
> IC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 18:00:07 2012
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:00:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] AFB Scholarship Program 2012 - 11 awards total $19,000
Message-ID: <004801ccd541$da19dba0$8e4d92e0$@com>

Here is info about scholarship opportunities for blind students from AFB.
Sorry if this has already been posted:

For legally blind students:
AFB Scholarship Programs for 2012 offers 11 scholarships totaling
$19,000. They are in these amounts:
1 award for $500 - restricted to student in full-time graduate study, any
field.
5 awards for $1,000 each - 4 different restrictions: (grad or
undergrad in rehab field/teacher of the blind or VI; grad or undergrad
female in study of classical or religious music; grad or undergrad in
study of engineering or computer, physical or life sciences; and 2
awards restricted to undergrad females in a four-year degree program
for literature or music).
4 awards for $2,500 each - grad or undergrad in rehab or education of
the blind or VI.
1 award for $3,500 -  grad or undergrad but preference given to new
immigrants to the U.S. residing in NYC metro area.
Information and application forms at
www.afb.org/scholarships.asp<http://www.afb.org/scholarships.asp>.
Questions to AFB Information Center: (800) 232-5463 or
afbinfo at afb.net<mailto:afbinfo at afb.net>.

Sean Whalen
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  (608) 332-4147
Email: nabs.president at gmail.com
Website: www.nabslink.org



From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 18:33:54 2012
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:33:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] navigating pdfs
Message-ID: <005801ccd546$9244c830$b6ce5890$@com>

Loren,

 

How navigable the pdf is going to be depends on how it was created. I don't
understand a lot about it, but there is a broad range of navigability, and I
dare say usability, among pdf files, even those that are readable by JAWS or
other screen readers. I have found that, generally, if you can move through
the pages with control plus page up or down, you can do a control plus shift
plus n to bring up a box where you can enter a page number to jump to. Often
times I just save the pdf file as a .txt and use it that way. It has its
drawbacks, but all and all I usually find it easier to deal with.

 

Sean

 

 


From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 19:12:43 2012
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:12:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of
	the	blind?
Message-ID: <005d01ccd54b$fde94b10$f9bbe130$@com>

I don't think anybody is trying to force beliefs on people, and I really
don't see what is "creepy" about the question or topic. I think it is each
individual's prerogative to join any organization that represents their
interest, or none at all. It seems pretty clear to me though that the lives
of all blind individual's have been demonstrably improved by the existence
of the NFB, which, of course, wouldn't exist without "joiners."

 

Belonging to an organization does not mean that one endorses everything that
organization does, nor does it mean that an individual has a particular set
of beliefs. It simply means that one sees enough benefit in the organization
and its work to decide to support it. I don't agree with the NFB on
everything, nor do I agree with the Democratic party on everything,
nonetheless I count myself as a member of each. If somebody thinks that
dictates my thoughts and beliefs, they would be wrong. My thoughts and
beliefs dictate which organizations I choose to join, support and work for.

 

As to the ridiculous notion that sighted folks don't have organizations,
they surely do. There are organizations for virtually every interest under
the sun. Trade groups, unions, interest groups aligned around political and
public policy issues of all stripes exist to unify the voices of folks with
common interests. That is the way our system of government, and indeed the
world in general, works. Refusal to join with others with similar interests
is acceptance of having no voice on issues that affect you. That is, by the
way, completely fine. Some folks don't have any interests pressing enough to
give up their time, money and resources to attempt to influence outcomes,
but their lack of interest in doing so doesn't somehow equate to moral high
ground. Of course there is no National Association of the Sighted, but this
reflects the fact that the vast majority of people are sighted. There is no
issue there around which to rally. You had better bet that if half the
population were sighted and the other half blind, and if the interests of
the sighted and blind clashed in any meaningful way, the sighted and blind
alike would have organizations to allow them to speak with one voice an
issues of import.

 

In addition to being a vehicle for collective action, the NFB is an extended
network of support. It is extremely valuable to have folks to consult with
when faced with an issue related to blindness. It keeps each of us from
having to reinvent the wheel each time something new comes up. This, of
course, is a model not at all unique to the blind. There are analogous
networks for people in certain trades, with particular diseases, or with
similar interests and hobbies. Nearly anywhere you find a diffuse and
relatively small group of people in similar circumstances or in need of
similar information, you will find an attempt at a support network like that
which we enjoy in the NFB.

 

So, lest anybody buy into the line that says those who join the NFB, or any
other organization, are mindless automatons without their own beliefs,
opinions and convictions, please remember that organizing to share
information and influence events in the world in which we live is in no way
unique to the blind. If people don't want to join anything, and blind people
in particular don't want to join NFB or ACB, that is 100% alright. But let's
not accept the misguided notion that their refusal to do so is rooted in
some moral superiority, rugged individualism or strength of conviction. A
refusal to be a "joiner" simply indicates that a person has other things
going on in their lives which are more important to them. Again, a.ok, but
never doubt the value of the work done by the organized blind movement. Even
those who have never given a thought to involving themselves, presumably,
are grateful when social services doesn't take their babies, they have the
opportunity to attain meaningful employment, and their rights to travel and
participate in society are protected.

 

Sean


From robinmel71 at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 17 19:24:31 2012
From: robinmel71 at earthlink.net (Robin)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:24:31 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of
 the	blind?
In-Reply-To: <005d01ccd54b$fde94b10$f9bbe130$@com>
References: <005d01ccd54b$fde94b10$f9bbe130$@com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120117112225.05454358@earthlink.net>

Well, you make some GOOD POINTS, but I'm sort of RESTRICTED on how I 
can RESPOND to this TOPIC so my SILENCE on the matter SPEAKS VOLUMES.

!! POWER 2 The PEOPLE !!

At 11:12 AM 1/17/2012, you wrote:
>I don't think anybody is trying to force beliefs on people, and I really
>don't see what is "creepy" about the question or topic. I think it is each
>individual's prerogative to join any organization that represents their
>interest, or none at all. It seems pretty clear to me though that the lives
>of all blind individual's have been demonstrably improved by the existence
>of the NFB, which, of course, wouldn't exist without "joiners."
>
>
>
>Belonging to an organization does not mean that one endorses everything that
>organization does, nor does it mean that an individual has a particular set
>of beliefs. It simply means that one sees enough benefit in the organization
>and its work to decide to support it. I don't agree with the NFB on
>everything, nor do I agree with the Democratic party on everything,
>nonetheless I count myself as a member of each. If somebody thinks that
>dictates my thoughts and beliefs, they would be wrong. My thoughts and
>beliefs dictate which organizations I choose to join, support and work for.
>
>
>
>As to the ridiculous notion that sighted folks don't have organizations,
>they surely do. There are organizations for virtually every interest under
>the sun. Trade groups, unions, interest groups aligned around political and
>public policy issues of all stripes exist to unify the voices of folks with
>common interests. That is the way our system of government, and indeed the
>world in general, works. Refusal to join with others with similar interests
>is acceptance of having no voice on issues that affect you. That is, by the
>way, completely fine. Some folks don't have any interests pressing enough to
>give up their time, money and resources to attempt to influence outcomes,
>but their lack of interest in doing so doesn't somehow equate to moral high
>ground. Of course there is no National Association of the Sighted, but this
>reflects the fact that the vast majority of people are sighted. There is no
>issue there around which to rally. You had better bet that if half the
>population were sighted and the other half blind, and if the interests of
>the sighted and blind clashed in any meaningful way, the sighted and blind
>alike would have organizations to allow them to speak with one voice an
>issues of import.
>
>
>
>In addition to being a vehicle for collective action, the NFB is an extended
>network of support. It is extremely valuable to have folks to consult with
>when faced with an issue related to blindness. It keeps each of us from
>having to reinvent the wheel each time something new comes up. This, of
>course, is a model not at all unique to the blind. There are analogous
>networks for people in certain trades, with particular diseases, or with
>similar interests and hobbies. Nearly anywhere you find a diffuse and
>relatively small group of people in similar circumstances or in need of
>similar information, you will find an attempt at a support network like that
>which we enjoy in the NFB.
>
>
>
>So, lest anybody buy into the line that says those who join the NFB, or any
>other organization, are mindless automatons without their own beliefs,
>opinions and convictions, please remember that organizing to share
>information and influence events in the world in which we live is in no way
>unique to the blind. If people don't want to join anything, and blind people
>in particular don't want to join NFB or ACB, that is 100% alright. But let's
>not accept the misguided notion that their refusal to do so is rooted in
>some moral superiority, rugged individualism or strength of conviction. A
>refusal to be a "joiner" simply indicates that a person has other things
>going on in their lives which are more important to them. Again, a.ok, but
>never doubt the value of the work done by the organized blind movement. Even
>those who have never given a thought to involving themselves, presumably,
>are grateful when social services doesn't take their babies, they have the
>opportunity to attain meaningful employment, and their rights to travel and
>participate in society are protected.
>
>
>
>Sean
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 17 20:56:34 2012
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:56:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of the blind?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1326823229.7157.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP7001F96C31724EAA5F5400C4800@phx.gbl>

Chris,

You pose very interesting and valid questions. Most of us have met
people who are blind and adopt a similar attitude as the people you
describe. There are many reasons why people do and do not join an
organization, but we must look at what the purpose of these
organizations are.

First, sighted people do develop, promote and advocate for many issues.
Now, most of these groups have a blend of people with plenty of
diversity, but many ethnic and racial groups have organizations
dedicated to serving minorities and the issues and causes important to
them. As a type 1 diabetic, I've been involved in diabetic groups
advocating for better care, encouraging research and providing
education; I did this sighted. There are other health-related groups
doing similar work. And the list goes on and on. We often fail to see
the other perspective especially with blindness. People focus on this,
forgetting many organizations exist doing similar work. The Federation
is not unique in terms of an advocacy group promoting causes and
initiatives.

Now, the initial goals of the Federation were to promote independence,
work towards changing attitudes and serving as a political platform for
blind causes led by those with the experience of being blind. So, first
and foremost, a group like the NFB is dedicated to political activism
and advocacy. Despite the growing number of divisions within the
Federation catering to various interests, the priority of the Federation
has always been to promote and advocate the ideas and causes important
to Federation members.

That we meet other blind people, having opportunities to network, is
essential to the growth and success of the Federation because we need
each generation to adopt healthy, positive mindsets about blindness. The
social aspect, however, is secondary to the political element. Not
everyone joins to be politically active. In my experience, a majority of
people join the Federation purely for social reasons, though many
eventually come to understand the importance of an active voice
advocating for equal rights and fair treatment of the blind. This has
been debated again and again, but at the fundamental level, an
organization like the NFB is similar to those groups fighting for
equality among other minority groups. We've been labeled second-class
citizens for years, not always given opportunities and our abilities are
questioned and doubted. So we stand up and demand equality.

That we have a chance to network and ask questions of those with
experience, is a benefit to joining the Federation. You have a support
system backing you, ready to help in any way. For example, we've heard a
lot about law students denied bar exams in an accessible mode they
prefer. The Federation has stepped in to take legal action, assisting
those law students and others to come. The couple in Missouri whose
newborn was taken by CPS a couple of years ago for no reason other than
both parents were blind. The Federation also stepped in to help take
legal action along with the couple. As technology grows, we struggle
more and more as blind consumers to use current technology due to the
lack of accessibility. Again, the NFB is fighting to change this,
demanding equal access for all consumers. As well as taking legal
action, the Federation provides advocacy and education.

Many feel Federationist are Nazi-like in their fervor about
independence. True, many are more combative which does not lead to a
nurturing environment allowing others to adopt independent ideals. The
truth is, though, that the NFB supports independence in any way
providing you with efficiency. Unfortunately, many of us could benefit
from alternative techniques, which many refuse to learn or use on a
regular basis. In my experience, and having once been a "partial," often
the alternative skills truly do make one more efficient than using
useable vision, and this is why the Federation seems, at times, to be
against sight, but it's actually the contrary. If you're being
independent, living your life, not caving into stereotypes and negative
attitudes, the Federation supports this way of life. The Federation
expects us to grow and challenge ourselves as ours peers challenge us
likewise. This is one of the huge differences I see between the NFB and
other organizations of the blind; we're not expected to stay where we
are; we're urged to move forward, carving a path before us, challenging
ourselves to strive for new and greater heights.

So why am I a Federationist? Because I'm not content to sit idly by
letting others make decisions for me. I'm not content to feel entitled
to services, legislation and technology that I had no say in, no
contribution to changes. I don't want to watch a chef cook, I want to
roll my sleeves up and get my hands in the mix. Networking with fellow
blind people and learning what we are all doing is great, but I want to
affect change, and I want to be a part of that change. It's not about
isolating ourselves from society and forming an elite group made up of
people who are blind; it's in fact about encouraging and fostering
integration. We are people with dreams, desires and interests; that we
are blind is but one attribute of our being. I wasn't always blind, and
when I lost my sight, I didn't change who I am. My interest and goals
are the same; I now just accomplish certain things with different
methods and tools at times.

We all have to decide what we believe in and why. I believe it's
important to analyze and question beliefs and ideas in order to truly
digest it. Only then can we form decisions based on our own ideas and
opinions rather than any thoughts and opinions thrust on us whether
unwillingly or not. I think we all need to understand that the
Federation's priority is advocacy and education; when we know this, it
can make it easier to explain the Federation and its purpose. Despite
the plethora of members affiliated predominantly for social reasons ,
this does not change the goals and direction of the collective group, of
the heart. We've not been accepted as equals, as people just as capable,
so we created an organization dedicated to breaking barriers and
demanding equality just like many other groups. Anyone curious about the
Federation, wanting to join, should understand that first and foremost,
the Federation is a political group determined to use advocacy,
legislation and education to change what it means to be blind, and fight
for our equality.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 6
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:36:38 -0500
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: NFB Talk List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>,	NFB Blind Talk list
	<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,	NFB NABS list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of the
	blind?
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

Fellow Federationists,

As I have become more and more active in the blind community and 
have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of blind 
people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind, for 
one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the 
political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't 
want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree 
with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify 
themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and 
there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the 
value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an 
organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of 
resources, who can help answer almost any question they would 
have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that if 
they had any problems, being a part of an organization would help 
them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have 
advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still 
don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to 
get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is 
important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of what 
benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind 
people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people 
don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as 
sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to 
blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists) 
want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we 
(blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization 
exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the 
blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your 
responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your 
thoughts on this!
Thanks,

Chris



From frandi.galindo at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 20:58:00 2012
From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:58:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] translating apps that blind people can use for
	fbsstatuses in other languages
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References: <4f150945.a668320a.32c3.ffffbf2d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <E12B3533CEB34DC790D3C065D6229903@OwnerPC>

That would be awesome.  I have some music artists as facebook friends, and I 
would love to see what they say on their pages.  However, I am not aware of 
any such apps or way to translate such things.  Mabe someone else might.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Beth
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:37 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] translating apps that blind people can use for fbsstatuses 
in other languages

Hi, all.
If you're like me, then you know what it's like to have more than
700 FB friends and some speak not only English, but Dutch and
German.  I was wondering if there was a way to translate Facebook
statuses from German to English, then if you want to comment on
someone's status again, write it in English, then using the same
app, translate it into German and so on.  Any ideas?
Beth

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 21:24:49 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:24:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a great resource for books: the International Electronic
	Braille Book Library
Message-ID: <4f15e751.a270340a.4e37.034b@mx.google.com>

Hi all,

Thought I would pass along a wonderful resource I found to get 
Braille books which are either in the public domain (not 
copyrighted and therefore free to distribute) or which have 
permission from the publisher to be distributed to blind people 
at no cost, and to be distributed by those blind people to any 
other people.  It is called the International Electronic Braille 
Book Library, and is sponsored by the National Federation of the 
Blind (NFB.) Here are step-by-step instructions on how to 
download and read Braille books from the Electronic Braille Book 
Library:

1.  Go to the EBBLIND Web site, which is 
www.braille.org/brailleBooks.
2.  Click on the "indices" link.
3.  Decide whether you want it to index the book collection by 
author or by title, and click on the appropriate link.
4.  Find the book you want in the list and click on that book's 
link.
5.  The book's page will come up.  From this page, you can click 
on either a chapter/section name and read it online, or click the 
"complete book" download link.
5.  The download prompt should come up on your notetaker or 
computer.  Download the ZIP file
wherever you want it.
6.  Extract/unpack/unzip (different devices call it different 
things, but it's the same process) the ZIP file.  It will then 
give you separate BRF files of each chapter of the book.  You can 
read these on a notetaker or refreshable Braille display.

Hope this helps! Happy reading!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 17 23:36:12 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:36:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] books in pdf
In-Reply-To: <93869B7373584D73A37B86E9C8105898@LorenPC>
References: <93869B7373584D73A37B86E9C8105898@LorenPC>
Message-ID: <1BCED0AC2C9B4FD99174B33CC6B82DDA@OwnerPC>

I got mine in pdf too, unfortunately; can jaws search in a pdf file?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Loren Wakefield
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] books in pdf

I recently received most of my textbooks in pdf.  Can someone tell me a few 
tips on moving around in a pdf-type document?  How does one find particular 
pages, sections, etc?  Can you have the document open where you left off? 
Is there a more efficient way to go from page to page than control-page down 
and hitting page up to go to the top of the page?  Some basic tips would be 
greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Loren

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From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 03:19:54 2012
From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:19:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
Message-ID: <CAN+-G_DQi3AYhdSJWrLhrpE1EYcccX=-CNWGApiniZi5=JLumA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys,
I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm using
Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12. Any tips/suggestions/help you
can give me would be great.
Thanks,
Patrick


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 18 03:51:31 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:51:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] SOPA, (Fight back!)
Message-ID: <CAO83KOvea3VveX0+10mhQo31wJygOo509bJDuVYUR21wrHTQYw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I just heard about what's going on.
There's an Internet blackout, tomorrow, to protest "SOPA," (Stop
Online Piracy Act."
This act will affect Google, Facebook, Twitter, and other sites, if passed.
All of the sites I mentioned, will be down, all day.
I have a question, and an explanation for why I put this on here.
The question is this.
How will this blackout affect these lists?
Will the nfbnet.org site shut down, as well?
This act, (if passed,) will give the government control over Websites,
and if they, (the government,) have a suspission that a site is
infrenging on copyright laws, they can shut the site down!
This totally does away with "Due Process!"
Also, as students, if the act is passed, it will be more difficult for
us to search for things, on Google, and other sites.
We need this stuff, especially, if we're doing research papers, (of
which,) I have two.
We as students, should petition our congressmen, and women.
We should fight against this government control of these sites!
This is communism, and we need to do something about this!
They're trying to take resources away from all of us, (especially,) students!
Thanks, Joshua


From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Jan 18 03:59:08 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:59:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] books in pdf
References: <93869B7373584D73A37B86E9C8105898@LorenPC>
	<1BCED0AC2C9B4FD99174B33CC6B82DDA@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <7229AF659C5543ECAE9D68A8D3E93A5B@stanford.edu>

If it is an accessible PDF, yes. Press JAWS key, control, f and then type in 
your search term. However, as I believe I said before, you may be better off 
just saving it as a text document and then a word document. Most PDF's that 
JAWS can read can be saved as text as long as they have not been protected. 
JAWS can be very slow when working with PDF's, and you usually have to have 
it reprocess it every time that you open the file. Finally, I do not know if 
there is a way to mark your place in a PDF file using JAWS, but you can do 
this in a Microsoft Word document with the latest version of JAWS.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books in pdf


>I got mine in pdf too, unfortunately; can jaws search in a pdf file?
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Loren Wakefield
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:43 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] books in pdf
>
> I recently received most of my textbooks in pdf.  Can someone tell me a 
> few tips on moving around in a pdf-type document?  How does one find 
> particular pages, sections, etc?  Can you have the document open where you 
> left off? Is there a more efficient way to go from page to page than 
> control-page down and hitting page up to go to the top of the page?  Some 
> basic tips would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> Loren
>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 04:17:51 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:17:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] books in pdf
In-Reply-To: <7229AF659C5543ECAE9D68A8D3E93A5B@stanford.edu>
References: <93869B7373584D73A37B86E9C8105898@LorenPC>
	<1BCED0AC2C9B4FD99174B33CC6B82DDA@OwnerPC>
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Hi all,
If you have Gmail, I would highly recommend emailing the PDF to
yourself as an attachment, then clicking "view attachment as HTML".
The HTML version of a PDF reads just like a website with no links, and
you can use Control-F to search for specific words, phrases or page
numbers. I do this for almost all PDF documents I read, and in fact,
if you don't have Gmail I would suggest getting it for just that
purpose. You can save the PDF to text as others have suggested, but I
find searching isn't as easy or quick in a text document.
Also, remember that if you scan your own books and don't have OCR
software, you can email your scanned file to
convert at robobraille.org
Put "doc" in the subject line and you will get a Word copy of your
document returned to you within five minutes. I am still playing
around with RoboBraille but so far have found it to be really amazing.
I was able to use it to convert one of my patient forms for a new
doctor, which I found online in PDF format, into a Word doc that was
formatted well enough for me to independently fill out the form and
bring it to my doctor's office. It's impossible to do that with PDF
versions of forms or scanned forms, but RoboBraille will make it
happen at least with some forms.
Best,
Arielle

On 1/17/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> If it is an accessible PDF, yes. Press JAWS key, control, f and then type in
> your search term. However, as I believe I said before, you may be better off
> just saving it as a text document and then a word document. Most PDF's that
> JAWS can read can be saved as text as long as they have not been protected.
> JAWS can be very slow when working with PDF's, and you usually have to have
> it reprocess it every time that you open the file. Finally, I do not know if
> there is a way to mark your place in a PDF file using JAWS, but you can do
> this in a Microsoft Word document with the latest version of JAWS.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] books in pdf
>
>
>>I got mine in pdf too, unfortunately; can jaws search in a pdf file?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Loren Wakefield
>> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:43 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] books in pdf
>>
>> I recently received most of my textbooks in pdf.  Can someone tell me a
>> few tips on moving around in a pdf-type document?  How does one find
>> particular pages, sections, etc?  Can you have the document open where you
>>
>> left off? Is there a more efficient way to go from page to page than
>> control-page down and hitting page up to go to the top of the page?  Some
>> basic tips would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
>>
>> Loren
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 05:23:51 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:23:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of the
	blind?
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Hi Chris and all,
This is a good topic. Like others have said, it's important to respect
the range of preferences people have with regard to joining
organizations and giving up their time toward causes. Some people,
sighted and blind alike, are not joiners at all. Some join a few
social groups, some join one or two advocacy efforts, some juggle
several organizational memberships and some seek leadership roles in
one or more of these groups. Some people who join our Federation
choose to participate only in the social and networking aspects, some
do fund-raising, others work primarily on legislation, and some are
able to give their time to all aspects of the organization. In other
words, there is no one best or right way to become affiliated with the
blind community.
I think it's clear that we need to form advocacy groups because we
have not yet achieved full equality with the sighted. We have the
potential to be equal but that potential has not yet been realized. As
a group we are underemployed, undereducated, we miss out on social and
recreational opportunities and there are whole classes of work and
play activities that are still not accessible to us. This comes
largely from psychological, societal and environmental barriers that
can be changed, so our task as a collective is to figure out how to
bring these barriers down.
Yet I don't think the only reason to organize is for advocacy. There
is also something very affirming and empowering about having social
connections with other blind folks. As individuals we are often
inundated with messages from others telling us we aren't as good or as
competent as sighted people. Support from a group of blind friends can
help us recognize our own capacity and worth even when important
people in society do not. When someone pats me on the arm as I'm
walking down the street and tells me I'm doing a nice job, or when the
airline attendant wants to herd me into a wheelchair, it's really
great to know I can laugh about it with other blind people, that I'm
not the only person who has experienced this and that the stranger's
condescension doesn't actually mean anything about my capabilities.
Most of the time when we go through school and work we are visibly
different from everyone else around us, and are usually quite aware of
this fact. There is something special about being one of many who are
like us and who don't treat us differently or like we are inferior
because we are blind. I believe this is a large part of the "magic"
that many of us describe happening during NFB conventions. We feel the
excitement of the advocacy cause, of knowing what we can do to change
what it means to be blind, but we also feel the joy of being in a
situation where we are in the majority and where the community around
us doesn't make assumptions about us just because we are blind.
There are also concrete, practical benefits each of us can get from
joining an organization of the blind, whether it be NFB, ACB or
another group. As others have pointed out, we learn a lot from other
blind people who have been in similar situations. We also benefit when
other blind people advocate on our behalf. I think most Federationists
I know could list at least one concrete opportunity they gained as a
result of joining the NFB. Some people gain jobs they didn't know a
blind person could do before they joined up. Others gain access to
tests or licenses, or get their babies back from Social Services. I
could list two specific opportunities I got as a direct result of
joining the NFB. First, I gained the opportunity to attend the
graduate school of my choice in a state I had never lived in before.
Prior to joining NFB, I thought that for a blind person, learning
one's way around a new city was an arduous task requiring years of O&M
lessons. I doubt I would have attempted it if I had not met
Federationists who did it with no problems, and if I had not attended
LCB, which I learned about from Federationists. Second, I have to say,
I went through high school and most of college without experiencing
any, um, romantic opportunities. True, there are things I could have
done differently in those days to get some action, but I know I'm not
the only blind person who has had this difficulty. After hanging out
in NFB for a few years I met a few blind guys who didn't immediately
write me off as a romantic partner because I was blind, and so I was
able to experience the joys of dating and intimacy. Even though I am
now dating someone sighted (whom, by the way, I met at my
aforementioned grad school) I am very appreciative of those
experiences and all that I learned from them. (And of course we can't
forget all the happy couples out there whose meeting would be
impossible without NFB).
So, in short, organizations of the blind help us attain equal
opportunities. They help us collectively through legislation,
education and other means, but they also help us as individuals, by
enabling us to share experiences and by acting as a forum for
emotional support and empowerment. The question remains, If we reach
the day where the blind are truly equal in every way-when none of us
ever experience discrimination, when everything is nonvisually
accessible and when people never use blindness as a basis for judging
our abilities-will we need organizations of the blind? I suspect
probably not, though we might still enjoy hanging out with others who
use Braille and canes just for the heck of it. I think anyone can
benefit from joining an organization of the blind, but some don't feel
drawn to do so and I would respect their preferences on that. We also
don't have to be at the top of the organization or putting in
tremendous amounts of time to make a difference in the lives of other
blind people. We can make a difference just by sharing our
experiences, by listening to and supporting one another.
Best,
Arielle

On 1/17/12, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> You pose very interesting and valid questions. Most of us have met
> people who are blind and adopt a similar attitude as the people you
> describe. There are many reasons why people do and do not join an
> organization, but we must look at what the purpose of these
> organizations are.
>
> First, sighted people do develop, promote and advocate for many issues.
> Now, most of these groups have a blend of people with plenty of
> diversity, but many ethnic and racial groups have organizations
> dedicated to serving minorities and the issues and causes important to
> them. As a type 1 diabetic, I've been involved in diabetic groups
> advocating for better care, encouraging research and providing
> education; I did this sighted. There are other health-related groups
> doing similar work. And the list goes on and on. We often fail to see
> the other perspective especially with blindness. People focus on this,
> forgetting many organizations exist doing similar work. The Federation
> is not unique in terms of an advocacy group promoting causes and
> initiatives.
>
> Now, the initial goals of the Federation were to promote independence,
> work towards changing attitudes and serving as a political platform for
> blind causes led by those with the experience of being blind. So, first
> and foremost, a group like the NFB is dedicated to political activism
> and advocacy. Despite the growing number of divisions within the
> Federation catering to various interests, the priority of the Federation
> has always been to promote and advocate the ideas and causes important
> to Federation members.
>
> That we meet other blind people, having opportunities to network, is
> essential to the growth and success of the Federation because we need
> each generation to adopt healthy, positive mindsets about blindness. The
> social aspect, however, is secondary to the political element. Not
> everyone joins to be politically active. In my experience, a majority of
> people join the Federation purely for social reasons, though many
> eventually come to understand the importance of an active voice
> advocating for equal rights and fair treatment of the blind. This has
> been debated again and again, but at the fundamental level, an
> organization like the NFB is similar to those groups fighting for
> equality among other minority groups. We've been labeled second-class
> citizens for years, not always given opportunities and our abilities are
> questioned and doubted. So we stand up and demand equality.
>
> That we have a chance to network and ask questions of those with
> experience, is a benefit to joining the Federation. You have a support
> system backing you, ready to help in any way. For example, we've heard a
> lot about law students denied bar exams in an accessible mode they
> prefer. The Federation has stepped in to take legal action, assisting
> those law students and others to come. The couple in Missouri whose
> newborn was taken by CPS a couple of years ago for no reason other than
> both parents were blind. The Federation also stepped in to help take
> legal action along with the couple. As technology grows, we struggle
> more and more as blind consumers to use current technology due to the
> lack of accessibility. Again, the NFB is fighting to change this,
> demanding equal access for all consumers. As well as taking legal
> action, the Federation provides advocacy and education.
>
> Many feel Federationist are Nazi-like in their fervor about
> independence. True, many are more combative which does not lead to a
> nurturing environment allowing others to adopt independent ideals. The
> truth is, though, that the NFB supports independence in any way
> providing you with efficiency. Unfortunately, many of us could benefit
> from alternative techniques, which many refuse to learn or use on a
> regular basis. In my experience, and having once been a "partial," often
> the alternative skills truly do make one more efficient than using
> useable vision, and this is why the Federation seems, at times, to be
> against sight, but it's actually the contrary. If you're being
> independent, living your life, not caving into stereotypes and negative
> attitudes, the Federation supports this way of life. The Federation
> expects us to grow and challenge ourselves as ours peers challenge us
> likewise. This is one of the huge differences I see between the NFB and
> other organizations of the blind; we're not expected to stay where we
> are; we're urged to move forward, carving a path before us, challenging
> ourselves to strive for new and greater heights.
>
> So why am I a Federationist? Because I'm not content to sit idly by
> letting others make decisions for me. I'm not content to feel entitled
> to services, legislation and technology that I had no say in, no
> contribution to changes. I don't want to watch a chef cook, I want to
> roll my sleeves up and get my hands in the mix. Networking with fellow
> blind people and learning what we are all doing is great, but I want to
> affect change, and I want to be a part of that change. It's not about
> isolating ourselves from society and forming an elite group made up of
> people who are blind; it's in fact about encouraging and fostering
> integration. We are people with dreams, desires and interests; that we
> are blind is but one attribute of our being. I wasn't always blind, and
> when I lost my sight, I didn't change who I am. My interest and goals
> are the same; I now just accomplish certain things with different
> methods and tools at times.
>
> We all have to decide what we believe in and why. I believe it's
> important to analyze and question beliefs and ideas in order to truly
> digest it. Only then can we form decisions based on our own ideas and
> opinions rather than any thoughts and opinions thrust on us whether
> unwillingly or not. I think we all need to understand that the
> Federation's priority is advocacy and education; when we know this, it
> can make it easier to explain the Federation and its purpose. Despite
> the plethora of members affiliated predominantly for social reasons ,
> this does not change the goals and direction of the collective group, of
> the heart. We've not been accepted as equals, as people just as capable,
> so we created an organization dedicated to breaking barriers and
> demanding equality just like many other groups. Anyone curious about the
> Federation, wanting to join, should understand that first and foremost,
> the Federation is a political group determined to use advocacy,
> legislation and education to change what it means to be blind, and fight
> for our equality.
>
> Sincerely,
> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Read my blog at:
> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>
> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:36:38 -0500
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: NFB Talk List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>,	NFB Blind Talk list
> 	<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,	NFB NABS list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of the
> 	blind?
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>
> Fellow Federationists,
>
> As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
> have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of blind
> people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind, for
> one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
> political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
> want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
> with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
> themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
> there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
> value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
> organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
> resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
> have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that if
> they had any problems, being a part of an organization would help
> them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
> advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
> don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
> get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
> important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of what
> benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
> people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
> don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
> sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
> blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
> want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
> (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
> exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
> blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
> responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
> thoughts on this!
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Jan 18 05:57:51 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:57:51 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Wheelchairs was Re: Why is it important to join an
	organization of theblind?
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OMG, there is nothing that I hate more than when people think that I need a 
wheelchair. At some point I plan to do research on this, but it might be 
that when you tell the people at the airport on the departure end that you 
will need assistance at your destination, they think that this means that 
you will need a wheelchair.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of 
theblind?


> Hi Chris and all,
> This is a good topic. Like others have said, it's important to respect
> the range of preferences people have with regard to joining
> organizations and giving up their time toward causes. Some people,
> sighted and blind alike, are not joiners at all. Some join a few
> social groups, some join one or two advocacy efforts, some juggle
> several organizational memberships and some seek leadership roles in
> one or more of these groups. Some people who join our Federation
> choose to participate only in the social and networking aspects, some
> do fund-raising, others work primarily on legislation, and some are
> able to give their time to all aspects of the organization. In other
> words, there is no one best or right way to become affiliated with the
> blind community.
> I think it's clear that we need to form advocacy groups because we
> have not yet achieved full equality with the sighted. We have the
> potential to be equal but that potential has not yet been realized. As
> a group we are underemployed, undereducated, we miss out on social and
> recreational opportunities and there are whole classes of work and
> play activities that are still not accessible to us. This comes
> largely from psychological, societal and environmental barriers that
> can be changed, so our task as a collective is to figure out how to
> bring these barriers down.
> Yet I don't think the only reason to organize is for advocacy. There
> is also something very affirming and empowering about having social
> connections with other blind folks. As individuals we are often
> inundated with messages from others telling us we aren't as good or as
> competent as sighted people. Support from a group of blind friends can
> help us recognize our own capacity and worth even when important
> people in society do not. When someone pats me on the arm as I'm
> walking down the street and tells me I'm doing a nice job, or when the
> airline attendant wants to herd me into a wheelchair, it's really
> great to know I can laugh about it with other blind people, that I'm
> not the only person who has experienced this and that the stranger's
> condescension doesn't actually mean anything about my capabilities.
> Most of the time when we go through school and work we are visibly
> different from everyone else around us, and are usually quite aware of
> this fact. There is something special about being one of many who are
> like us and who don't treat us differently or like we are inferior
> because we are blind. I believe this is a large part of the "magic"
> that many of us describe happening during NFB conventions. We feel the
> excitement of the advocacy cause, of knowing what we can do to change
> what it means to be blind, but we also feel the joy of being in a
> situation where we are in the majority and where the community around
> us doesn't make assumptions about us just because we are blind.
> There are also concrete, practical benefits each of us can get from
> joining an organization of the blind, whether it be NFB, ACB or
> another group. As others have pointed out, we learn a lot from other
> blind people who have been in similar situations. We also benefit when
> other blind people advocate on our behalf. I think most Federationists
> I know could list at least one concrete opportunity they gained as a
> result of joining the NFB. Some people gain jobs they didn't know a
> blind person could do before they joined up. Others gain access to
> tests or licenses, or get their babies back from Social Services. I
> could list two specific opportunities I got as a direct result of
> joining the NFB. First, I gained the opportunity to attend the
> graduate school of my choice in a state I had never lived in before.
> Prior to joining NFB, I thought that for a blind person, learning
> one's way around a new city was an arduous task requiring years of O&M
> lessons. I doubt I would have attempted it if I had not met
> Federationists who did it with no problems, and if I had not attended
> LCB, which I learned about from Federationists. Second, I have to say,
> I went through high school and most of college without experiencing
> any, um, romantic opportunities. True, there are things I could have
> done differently in those days to get some action, but I know I'm not
> the only blind person who has had this difficulty. After hanging out
> in NFB for a few years I met a few blind guys who didn't immediately
> write me off as a romantic partner because I was blind, and so I was
> able to experience the joys of dating and intimacy. Even though I am
> now dating someone sighted (whom, by the way, I met at my
> aforementioned grad school) I am very appreciative of those
> experiences and all that I learned from them. (And of course we can't
> forget all the happy couples out there whose meeting would be
> impossible without NFB).
> So, in short, organizations of the blind help us attain equal
> opportunities. They help us collectively through legislation,
> education and other means, but they also help us as individuals, by
> enabling us to share experiences and by acting as a forum for
> emotional support and empowerment. The question remains, If we reach
> the day where the blind are truly equal in every way-when none of us
> ever experience discrimination, when everything is nonvisually
> accessible and when people never use blindness as a basis for judging
> our abilities-will we need organizations of the blind? I suspect
> probably not, though we might still enjoy hanging out with others who
> use Braille and canes just for the heck of it. I think anyone can
> benefit from joining an organization of the blind, but some don't feel
> drawn to do so and I would respect their preferences on that. We also
> don't have to be at the top of the organization or putting in
> tremendous amounts of time to make a difference in the lives of other
> blind people. We can make a difference just by sharing our
> experiences, by listening to and supporting one another.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 1/17/12, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> You pose very interesting and valid questions. Most of us have met
>> people who are blind and adopt a similar attitude as the people you
>> describe. There are many reasons why people do and do not join an
>> organization, but we must look at what the purpose of these
>> organizations are.
>>
>> First, sighted people do develop, promote and advocate for many issues.
>> Now, most of these groups have a blend of people with plenty of
>> diversity, but many ethnic and racial groups have organizations
>> dedicated to serving minorities and the issues and causes important to
>> them. As a type 1 diabetic, I've been involved in diabetic groups
>> advocating for better care, encouraging research and providing
>> education; I did this sighted. There are other health-related groups
>> doing similar work. And the list goes on and on. We often fail to see
>> the other perspective especially with blindness. People focus on this,
>> forgetting many organizations exist doing similar work. The Federation
>> is not unique in terms of an advocacy group promoting causes and
>> initiatives.
>>
>> Now, the initial goals of the Federation were to promote independence,
>> work towards changing attitudes and serving as a political platform for
>> blind causes led by those with the experience of being blind. So, first
>> and foremost, a group like the NFB is dedicated to political activism
>> and advocacy. Despite the growing number of divisions within the
>> Federation catering to various interests, the priority of the Federation
>> has always been to promote and advocate the ideas and causes important
>> to Federation members.
>>
>> That we meet other blind people, having opportunities to network, is
>> essential to the growth and success of the Federation because we need
>> each generation to adopt healthy, positive mindsets about blindness. The
>> social aspect, however, is secondary to the political element. Not
>> everyone joins to be politically active. In my experience, a majority of
>> people join the Federation purely for social reasons, though many
>> eventually come to understand the importance of an active voice
>> advocating for equal rights and fair treatment of the blind. This has
>> been debated again and again, but at the fundamental level, an
>> organization like the NFB is similar to those groups fighting for
>> equality among other minority groups. We've been labeled second-class
>> citizens for years, not always given opportunities and our abilities are
>> questioned and doubted. So we stand up and demand equality.
>>
>> That we have a chance to network and ask questions of those with
>> experience, is a benefit to joining the Federation. You have a support
>> system backing you, ready to help in any way. For example, we've heard a
>> lot about law students denied bar exams in an accessible mode they
>> prefer. The Federation has stepped in to take legal action, assisting
>> those law students and others to come. The couple in Missouri whose
>> newborn was taken by CPS a couple of years ago for no reason other than
>> both parents were blind. The Federation also stepped in to help take
>> legal action along with the couple. As technology grows, we struggle
>> more and more as blind consumers to use current technology due to the
>> lack of accessibility. Again, the NFB is fighting to change this,
>> demanding equal access for all consumers. As well as taking legal
>> action, the Federation provides advocacy and education.
>>
>> Many feel Federationist are Nazi-like in their fervor about
>> independence. True, many are more combative which does not lead to a
>> nurturing environment allowing others to adopt independent ideals. The
>> truth is, though, that the NFB supports independence in any way
>> providing you with efficiency. Unfortunately, many of us could benefit
>> from alternative techniques, which many refuse to learn or use on a
>> regular basis. In my experience, and having once been a "partial," often
>> the alternative skills truly do make one more efficient than using
>> useable vision, and this is why the Federation seems, at times, to be
>> against sight, but it's actually the contrary. If you're being
>> independent, living your life, not caving into stereotypes and negative
>> attitudes, the Federation supports this way of life. The Federation
>> expects us to grow and challenge ourselves as ours peers challenge us
>> likewise. This is one of the huge differences I see between the NFB and
>> other organizations of the blind; we're not expected to stay where we
>> are; we're urged to move forward, carving a path before us, challenging
>> ourselves to strive for new and greater heights.
>>
>> So why am I a Federationist? Because I'm not content to sit idly by
>> letting others make decisions for me. I'm not content to feel entitled
>> to services, legislation and technology that I had no say in, no
>> contribution to changes. I don't want to watch a chef cook, I want to
>> roll my sleeves up and get my hands in the mix. Networking with fellow
>> blind people and learning what we are all doing is great, but I want to
>> affect change, and I want to be a part of that change. It's not about
>> isolating ourselves from society and forming an elite group made up of
>> people who are blind; it's in fact about encouraging and fostering
>> integration. We are people with dreams, desires and interests; that we
>> are blind is but one attribute of our being. I wasn't always blind, and
>> when I lost my sight, I didn't change who I am. My interest and goals
>> are the same; I now just accomplish certain things with different
>> methods and tools at times.
>>
>> We all have to decide what we believe in and why. I believe it's
>> important to analyze and question beliefs and ideas in order to truly
>> digest it. Only then can we form decisions based on our own ideas and
>> opinions rather than any thoughts and opinions thrust on us whether
>> unwillingly or not. I think we all need to understand that the
>> Federation's priority is advocacy and education; when we know this, it
>> can make it easier to explain the Federation and its purpose. Despite
>> the plethora of members affiliated predominantly for social reasons ,
>> this does not change the goals and direction of the collective group, of
>> the heart. We've not been accepted as equals, as people just as capable,
>> so we created an organization dedicated to breaking barriers and
>> demanding equality just like many other groups. Anyone curious about the
>> Federation, wanting to join, should understand that first and foremost,
>> the Federation is a political group determined to use advocacy,
>> legislation and education to change what it means to be blind, and fight
>> for our equality.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>> Read my blog at:
>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>
>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:36:38 -0500
>> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> To: NFB Talk List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>, NFB Blind Talk list
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, NFB NABS list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of the
>> blind?
>> Message-ID: <4f14d0d5.54dfe00a.0ef7.ffffd34b at mx.google.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Fellow Federationists,
>>
>> As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
>> have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of blind
>> people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind, for
>> one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
>> political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
>> want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
>> with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
>> themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
>> there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
>> value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
>> organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
>> resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
>> have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that if
>> they had any problems, being a part of an organization would help
>> them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
>> advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
>> don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
>> get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
>> important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of what
>> benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
>> people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
>> don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
>> sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
>> blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
>> want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
>> (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
>> exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
>> blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
>> responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
>> thoughts on this!
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Wed Jan 18 06:05:39 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:05:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of
	the	blind?
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Hello Arielle and all,

After reading your post on this thread I want to address my views
on this topic!

Yes, we are a cross-sectional part of society in basis we have
many views and reasons on why join the nfb and, on how we as
blind people have many different characteristics to them besides
blindness in that's why we come to join blindness organizations.

The nfb has shaped my life in soooo may ways personally and
professionally. I have engaged in my personal relationships and
also endured intimacy with some of them too. But, the nfb has
given me sooo much and, in addressing them I'm going to do that
in resprosect.

The nfb has given me the willingness to travel independtally
across the country, being a published writer and motivational
speaker, running and cofounding the lmbbs national network,
attending college in 2 states, moving from Michigan to Colorado,
and sooo much more.

So, that's what the nfb has given me and, that's why I'm involved
and, also involved with other blindness organizations with the
same capabilities. Thanks for sharing and, I will talk to you
soon.




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization
of the blind?

Hi Chris and all,
This is a good topic. Like others have said, it's important to
respect
the range of preferences people have with regard to joining
organizations and giving up their time toward causes. Some
people,
sighted and blind alike, are not joiners at all. Some join a few
social groups, some join one or two advocacy efforts, some juggle
several organizational memberships and some seek leadership roles
in
one or more of these groups. Some people who join our Federation
choose to participate only in the social and networking aspects,
some
do fund-raising, others work primarily on legislation, and some
are
able to give their time to all aspects of the organization. In
other
words, there is no one best or right way to become affiliated
with the
blind community.
I think it's clear that we need to form advocacy groups because
we
have not yet achieved full equality with the sighted. We have the
potential to be equal but that potential has not yet been
realized. As
a group we are underemployed, undereducated, we miss out on
social and
recreational opportunities and there are whole classes of work
and
play activities that are still not accessible to us. This comes
largely from psychological, societal and environmental barriers
that
can be changed, so our task as a collective is to figure out how
to
bring these barriers down.
Yet I don't think the only reason to organize is for advocacy.
There
is also something very affirming and empowering about having
social
connections with other blind folks. As individuals we are often
inundated with messages from others telling us we aren't as good
or as
competent as sighted people. Support from a group of blind
friends can
help us recognize our own capacity and worth even when important
people in society do not. When someone pats me on the arm as I'm
walking down the street and tells me I'm doing a nice job, or
when the
airline attendant wants to herd me into a wheelchair, it's really
great to know I can laugh about it with other blind people, that
I'm
not the only person who has experienced this and that the
stranger's
condescension doesn't actually mean anything about my
capabilities.
Most of the time when we go through school and work we are
visibly
different from everyone else around us, and are usually quite
aware of
this fact. There is something special about being one of many who
are
like us and who don't treat us differently or like we are
inferior
because we are blind. I believe this is a large part of the
"magic"
that many of us describe happening during NFB conventions. We
feel the
excitement of the advocacy cause, of knowing what we can do to
change
what it means to be blind, but we also feel the joy of being in a
situation where we are in the majority and where the community
around
us doesn't make assumptions about us just because we are blind.
There are also concrete, practical benefits each of us can get
from
joining an organization of the blind, whether it be NFB, ACB or
another group. As others have pointed out, we learn a lot from
other
blind people who have been in similar situations. We also benefit
when
other blind people advocate on our behalf. I think most
Federationists
I know could list at least one concrete opportunity they gained
as a
result of joining the NFB. Some people gain jobs they didn't know
a
blind person could do before they joined up. Others gain access
to
tests or licenses, or get their babies back from Social Services.
I
could list two specific opportunities I got as a direct result of
joining the NFB. First, I gained the opportunity to attend the
graduate school of my choice in a state I had never lived in
before.
Prior to joining NFB, I thought that for a blind person, learning
one's way around a new city was an arduous task requiring years
of O&M
lessons. I doubt I would have attempted it if I had not met
Federationists who did it with no problems, and if I had not
attended
LCB, which I learned about from Federationists. Second, I have to
say,
I went through high school and most of college without
experiencing
any, um, romantic opportunities. True, there are things I could
have
done differently in those days to get some action, but I know I'm
not
the only blind person who has had this difficulty. After hanging
out
in NFB for a few years I met a few blind guys who didn't
immediately
write me off as a romantic partner because I was blind, and so I
was
able to experience the joys of dating and intimacy. Even though I
am
now dating someone sighted (whom, by the way, I met at my
aforementioned grad school) I am very appreciative of those
experiences and all that I learned from them. (And of course we
can't
forget all the happy couples out there whose meeting would be
impossible without NFB).
So, in short, organizations of the blind help us attain equal
opportunities. They help us collectively through legislation,
education and other means, but they also help us as individuals,
by
enabling us to share experiences and by acting as a forum for
emotional support and empowerment. The question remains, If we
reach
the day where the blind are truly equal in every way-when none of
us
ever experience discrimination, when everything is nonvisually
accessible and when people never use blindness as a basis for
judging
our abilities-will we need organizations of the blind? I suspect
probably not, though we might still enjoy hanging out with others
who
use Braille and canes just for the heck of it. I think anyone can
benefit from joining an organization of the blind, but some don't
feel
drawn to do so and I would respect their preferences on that. We
also
don't have to be at the top of the organization or putting in
tremendous amounts of time to make a difference in the lives of
other
blind people. We can make a difference just by sharing our
experiences, by listening to and supporting one another.
Best,
Arielle

On 1/17/12, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> You pose very interesting and valid questions. Most of us have
met
> people who are blind and adopt a similar attitude as the people
you
> describe. There are many reasons why people do and do not join
an
> organization, but we must look at what the purpose of these
> organizations are.
>
> First, sighted people do develop, promote and advocate for many
issues.
> Now, most of these groups have a blend of people with plenty of
> diversity, but many ethnic and racial groups have organizations
> dedicated to serving minorities and the issues and causes
important to
> them. As a type 1 diabetic, I've been involved in diabetic
groups
> advocating for better care, encouraging research and providing
> education; I did this sighted. There are other health-related
groups
> doing similar work. And the list goes on and on. We often fail
to see
> the other perspective especially with blindness. People focus
on this,
> forgetting many organizations exist doing similar work. The
Federation
> is not unique in terms of an advocacy group promoting causes
and
> initiatives.
>
> Now, the initial goals of the Federation were to promote
independence,
> work towards changing attitudes and serving as a political
platform for
> blind causes led by those with the experience of being blind.
So, first
> and foremost, a group like the NFB is dedicated to political
activism
> and advocacy. Despite the growing number of divisions within
the
> Federation catering to various interests, the priority of the
Federation
> has always been to promote and advocate the ideas and causes
important
> to Federation members.
>
> That we meet other blind people, having opportunities to
network, is
> essential to the growth and success of the Federation because
we need
> each generation to adopt healthy, positive mindsets about
blindness. The
> social aspect, however, is secondary to the political element.
Not
> everyone joins to be politically active. In my experience, a
majority of
> people join the Federation purely for social reasons, though
many
> eventually come to understand the importance of an active voice
> advocating for equal rights and fair treatment of the blind.
This has
> been debated again and again, but at the fundamental level, an
> organization like the NFB is similar to those groups fighting
for
> equality among other minority groups. We've been labeled
second-class
> citizens for years, not always given opportunities and our
abilities are
> questioned and doubted. So we stand up and demand equality.
>
> That we have a chance to network and ask questions of those
with
> experience, is a benefit to joining the Federation. You have a
support
> system backing you, ready to help in any way. For example,
we've heard a
> lot about law students denied bar exams in an accessible mode
they
> prefer. The Federation has stepped in to take legal action,
assisting
> those law students and others to come. The couple in Missouri
whose
> newborn was taken by CPS a couple of years ago for no reason
other than
> both parents were blind. The Federation also stepped in to help
take
> legal action along with the couple. As technology grows, we
struggle
> more and more as blind consumers to use current technology due
to the
> lack of accessibility. Again, the NFB is fighting to change
this,
> demanding equal access for all consumers. As well as taking
legal
> action, the Federation provides advocacy and education.
>
> Many feel Federationist are Nazi-like in their fervor about
> independence. True, many are more combative which does not lead
to a
> nurturing environment allowing others to adopt independent
ideals. The
> truth is, though, that the NFB supports independence in any way
> providing you with efficiency. Unfortunately, many of us could
benefit
> from alternative techniques, which many refuse to learn or use
on a
> regular basis. In my experience, and having once been a
"partial," often
> the alternative skills truly do make one more efficient than
using
> useable vision, and this is why the Federation seems, at times,
to be
> against sight, but it's actually the contrary. If you're being
> independent, living your life, not caving into stereotypes and
negative
> attitudes, the Federation supports this way of life. The
Federation
> expects us to grow and challenge ourselves as ours peers
challenge us
> likewise. This is one of the huge differences I see between the
NFB and
> other organizations of the blind; we're not expected to stay
where we
> are; we're urged to move forward, carving a path before us,
challenging
> ourselves to strive for new and greater heights.
>
> So why am I a Federationist? Because I'm not content to sit
idly by
> letting others make decisions for me. I'm not content to feel
entitled
> to services, legislation and technology that I had no say in,
no
> contribution to changes. I don't want to watch a chef cook, I
want to
> roll my sleeves up and get my hands in the mix. Networking with
fellow
> blind people and learning what we are all doing is great, but I
want to
> affect change, and I want to be a part of that change. It's not
about
> isolating ourselves from society and forming an elite group
made up of
> people who are blind; it's in fact about encouraging and
fostering
> integration. We are people with dreams, desires and interests;
that we
> are blind is but one attribute of our being. I wasn't always
blind, and
> when I lost my sight, I didn't change who I am. My interest and
goals
> are the same; I now just accomplish certain things with
different
> methods and tools at times.
>
> We all have to decide what we believe in and why. I believe
it's
> important to analyze and question beliefs and ideas in order to
truly
> digest it. Only then can we form decisions based on our own
ideas and
> opinions rather than any thoughts and opinions thrust on us
whether
> unwillingly or not. I think we all need to understand that the
> Federation's priority is advocacy and education; when we know
this, it
> can make it easier to explain the Federation and its purpose.
Despite
> the plethora of members affiliated predominantly for social
reasons ,
> this does not change the goals and direction of the collective
group, of
> the heart. We've not been accepted as equals, as people just as
capable,
> so we created an organization dedicated to breaking barriers
and
> demanding equality just like many other groups. Anyone curious
about the
> Federation, wanting to join, should understand that first and
foremost,
> the Federation is a political group determined to use advocacy,
> legislation and education to change what it means to be blind,
and fight
> for our equality.
>
> Sincerely,
> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Read my blog at:
> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>
> "History is not what happened; history is what was written
down."
> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:36:38 -0500
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: NFB Talk List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>,	NFB Blind Talk
list
> 	<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,	NFB NABS list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization
of the
> 	blind?
> Message-ID: <4f14d0d5.54dfe00a.0ef7.ffffd34b at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Fellow Federationists,
>
> As I have become more and more active in the blind community
and
> have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of
blind
> people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind,
for
> one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
> political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they
don't
> want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't
agree
> with either organization's philosophy and don't want to
identify
> themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
> there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
> value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
> organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network
of
> resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
> have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that
if
> they had any problems, being a part of an organization would
help
> them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
> advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
> don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
> get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
> important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of
what
> benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
> people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
> don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
> sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
> blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
> want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
> (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of
organization
> exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
> blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
> responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
> thoughts on this!
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 15:36:33 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:36:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of
	theblind?
Message-ID: <4f16e731.e465340a.26ac.0cdf@mx.google.com>

Exactly my point when trying to talk to people about joining the 
NFB!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Aubrie Lucas" <aubielynn at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:53:38 -0900
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization 
of theblind?

Haven't minorities trying to achieve goals often banded together? 
(NAACP,
NAWSA, for examples.)

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:37 PM
To: NFB Talk List; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of 
the blind?

Fellow Federationists,

As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of blind
people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind, for
one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that if
they had any problems, being a part of an organization would help
them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of what
benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
(blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
thoughts on this!
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 15:36:35 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:36:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] latest on the Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act
Message-ID: <4f16e733.e465340a.26ac.0ce0@mx.google.com>

Joshua,

I haven't heard any other news on the Fair Wages for Workers with 
Disabilities Act since the last email about it was sent to all 
the lists.  We'll probably hear more about it after Washington 
Seminar.  In the mean time, I'd keep track of the NFB Web site 
(there's a "what's new" section right on the homepage with NFB 
news" and the Braille Monitor.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:57:56 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization 
of theblind?

That was my point.
Thanks, Aubrie, for shedding more light on it.
BTW, speaking of civil rights for the blind, can someone start a
thread, on the latest on the Fair Wages Act?
That is one reason, why people should join the organizations, for
legislative benefits.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/16/12, Aubrie Lucas <aubielynn at gmail.com> wrote:
 Haven't minorities trying to achieve goals often banded 
together? (NAACP,
 NAWSA, for examples.)

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
 Of Chris Nusbaum
 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:37 PM
 To: NFB Talk List; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
 Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of 
the blind?

 Fellow Federationists,

 As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
 have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of 
blind
 people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind, 
for
 one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
 political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
 want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
 with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
 themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
 there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
 value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
 organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
 resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
 have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that 
if
 they had any problems, being a part of an organization would 
help
 them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
 advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
 don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
 get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
 important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of 
what
 benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
 people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
 don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
 sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
 blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
 want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
 (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
 exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
 blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
 responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
 thoughts on this!
 Thanks,

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 18 15:44:22 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:44:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] latest on the Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities
	Act
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Thanks, Chris.
We all need to be in the know, about this.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
>
> I haven't heard any other news on the Fair Wages for Workers with
> Disabilities Act since the last email about it was sent to all
> the lists.  We'll probably hear more about it after Washington
> Seminar.  In the mean time, I'd keep track of the NFB Web site
> (there's a "what's new" section right on the homepage with NFB
> news" and the Braille Monitor.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:57:56 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization
> of theblind?
>
> That was my point.
> Thanks, Aubrie, for shedding more light on it.
> BTW, speaking of civil rights for the blind, can someone start a
> thread, on the latest on the Fair Wages Act?
> That is one reason, why people should join the organizations, for
> legislative benefits.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/16/12, Aubrie Lucas <aubielynn at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Haven't minorities trying to achieve goals often banded
> together? (NAACP,
>  NAWSA, for examples.)
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>  Of Chris Nusbaum
>  Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:37 PM
>  To: NFB Talk List; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
>  Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of
> the blind?
>
>  Fellow Federationists,
>
>  As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
>  have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of
> blind
>  people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind,
> for
>  one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
>  political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
>  want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
>  with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
>  themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
>  there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
>  value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
>  organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
>  resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
>  have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that
> if
>  they had any problems, being a part of an organization would
> help
>  them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
>  advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
>  don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
>  get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
>  important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of
> what
>  benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
>  people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
>  don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
>  sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
>  blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
>  want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
>  (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
>  exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
>  blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
>  responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
>  thoughts on this!
>  Thanks,
>
>  Chris
>
>  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>  nuisance."
>  -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 16:21:37 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:21:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: [blindtlk] why is it important to join an organization
	of the blind?
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Hi everyone,

This is a response I received to my question on the value of an 
organization of the blind written by Gary Wunder and sent to the 
Blind Talk list.  I thought I would share it with all of you, as 
it is a very well-written email and it has a lot of great points! 
Here it is:

 ---- Original Message ------
From: "Gary Wunder" <GWunder at earthlink.net
Subject: [Blindtlk] why is it important to join an organization 
of the blind?
Date sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:34:50 -0600

Dear Chris:

Please understand that what I am about to write is my opinion and 
not some
official position of the Federation.  I will try to avoid 
offering other
disclaimers such as "In my opinion," or "It is my belief." I want 
to be firm
in stating what I believe but humble enough to acknowledge that 
does not
represent any particular wisdom or any claim to be the one true 
way.

I am a member of the National Federation of the Blind because I 
believe that
collective action is required if blind people are to continue to 
enjoy the
programs and services we now have and to further the goal of 
integration we
all seek where we gain jobs, play active parts in our community, 
and are no
longer limited by artificial barriers that are not imposed by 
blindness but
by the reaction to it by blind and sighted people alike.  As an 
individual I
have a responsibility to think about my options and opportunities 
and to
decide whether or not to pursue or shy away from them; In other 
words, I
have choices to make.  But individually I do not always have the 
creativity,
the expertise, and the power to make those choices real and 
achievable.

Right now blind people are engaged in the battle to determine 
whether we
have a right to demand that computerized technology, with all its 
power and
promise, be harnessed to help us as it helps others, or whether, 
because we
are a small population, this same computer technology will be 
used to
exclude us.  The outcome of this struggle is as important as my 
ability to
compete at a job, my ability to enjoy entertainment at home, my 
ability to
check in at airports and check out at supermarkets, and even my 
ability to
live at home independently.  Take away my independent access to 
home
appliances--my ability to set the temperature on my oven, 
regulate the
temperature in my house, and operate the controls on my washer 
and dryer,
and soon I will require the services of a personal care attendant 
or be in a
nursing home because I will be unable to take care of my most 
basic needs.
Even the option of a home care attendant or a nursing home may 
depend on
whether or not I can afford them.

My job as one human being is to educate myself; my more difficult 
job is to
embrace the education of society to the potential technology 
brings and to
the problems it can create if not properly managed.  Individually 
I must be
an informed voice, but only collectively do I have a voice 
capable of
reaching the nation and the world.  Individually I do not know 
how to bring
about the changes in design and engineering that make things 
talk, produce
braille, or provide a way for me to navigate using touch or 
voice;
collectively I can be a part of giving scholarships to young 
people, some of
whom will dedicate their professional careers to learning about 
such things
and being a part of developing technology that includes me and 
others who
are blind.  Individually I do not know how to craft laws to help 
us, but
collectively I can help to grow and employ the expertise of those 
who do.
Individually I do not know how to execute a successful lawsuit on 
behalf of
myself and others who suffer from technological discrimination; 
collectively
I can be a part of hiring that help and articulating to the legal 
system the
goals and aspirations of blind people who are committed to the 
forward
progress we have enjoyed and to categorically reject the idea of 
once again
being consigned to idleness and inactivity.

It is argued that sighted people do not unite as a group, and 
that, if blind
people truly want equality, we must turn away from the reliance 
on a group
and the expectation other blind people will join with us.  
Because of their
numbers and a society which will quite reasonably be oriented to 
them,
sighted people have no need to unite on the basis of sight.  They 
do,
however, unite for other reasons.  Wealthy people unite with 
others to see
that policies do not encourage and support the taking of their 
wealth.  Those
less wealthy unite for a whole host of reasons when individually 
their
voices are not sufficient to start a national discussion about 
the things
they need.  Doctors, as educated and prestigious as they are, 
unite when it
comes to representing their interests and, for that matter, the 
health
interests of the American people.  Farmers form organizations to 
try to
increase their prices and protect against what they see as overly 
burdensome
regulation.  Many from all walks of life unite to protect the 
environment by
reminding us that some of the things we want for enhancing our 
creature
comforts come at a cost that may jeopardize the well-being of the 
earth for
our children and our children's children.  The concept of 
organizing for
collective action, to amplify the voice, to share the load, and 
to bring
very disparate groups with talent and expertise to serve a cause 
is not
unique to the blind, nor is it unique to America.  It is the 
longing of
people everywhere to better themselves and the realization that 
not every
good that needs doing can be accomplished by one human being, no 
matter her
determination or skill or drive.  It is the understanding that 
true
independence often involves the more complicated concept of 
interdependence
and that learning to work together does not detract one little 
bit from our
individuality, our ability to make choices, and our ability to 
influence the
world.

I want a piece of the American dream.  That means more than 
Supplemental
Security Income because I am deemed too disabled to work.  That 
means more
than food stamps and subsidized housing because I am considered 
so
impoverished that only through a government program can I eat and 
have
shelter from the elements.  I want the right to information and 
that means
more than a book of fiction in which I live my life through the 
words and
stories of others.  I have benefited from and support each of 
these programs
and I do not write to throw stones.  There are forces in the 
world that
conspire to keep me in this place, a place of continual 
dependence.  It is
not a harsh place with physical bars, but a place built by a 
compassionate
America trying to do good for people they perceive as having a 
significant
need.  It is not a jail neither is it a zoo; but it is a cage, 
albeit one
with radios and televisions and devices to produce music on 
demand.  It is a
place where we may play but not a place for we may grow.  
Programs intended
to provide us with a staircase to upward mobility have too often 
become the
means for lifelong support.  The tragedy is that life is so much 
less than it
could be for we who are blind and our country gets so much less 
from good
minds and overflowing hearts who long to find a way to 
meaningfully
contribute.

The alternative path requires more training, perseverance, and 
perhaps even
more good luck.  The process is rehabilitation, and by 
rehabilitation I mean
much more than accepting the help to go from high school to 
training school
or college.  For me rehabilitation means entering into a 
contract, a sacred
pledge to make good on the goodwill and the investment of 
taxpaying
Americans by turning education and equipment into productive 
work.  It is
more than accepting, as a matter of course, this government 
program for the
blind that can sometimes be little more than a transition from 
education to
more education to lifelong dependence.  At its best, 
rehabilitation is the
power of people to help people, the way a society helps some of 
its members
move from needing a meal to earning a meal.  It can, at its best, 
be an
example of government truly serving and at its worst an example 
of raising
expectations only to crush them.  We, the blind people who 
organize and work
in the Federation, determine which it will be.

Several months ago I watched a Republican primary where a 
candidate was
asked what should be done about an uninsured 29-year-old man 
lying in a
hospital following a motorcycle crash.  Should he be allowed to 
die was the
timidly advanced question, and before the candidate could answer, 
a
disturbingly loud minority in that audience began to clap.  The 
America I see
is no longer in a place where she believes she can extend 
benefits to those
who do not pay for them.  If this is true for something as basic 
as medical
care, how long is it before we see America questioning whether 
there is
money to support her disabled citizens who have been offered 
rehabilitation
services but who continue to remain on the public dole? How many 
people must
succeed in the rehabilitation process to convince an ever 
skeptical and
belt-tightening America that this magical contract between blind 
people and
the rest of America's citizens should continue? Partly that 
answer depends
on us and how well we make the case for what we need and the 
wonderful
things that happen when rehabilitation works.  Partly it depends 
on how well
we make the case to other blind people for moving beyond our 
comfort zone
and actively addressing those areas in which we are weak or 
scared or
paralyzed by our inexperience with the world.

I am a member of the National Federation of the Blind because I 
realize it
has been an important part in helping me live a bit of the 
American dream.  I
am a part because I want to pay it forward and to share the 
blessings I've
been given with others.  I know that as important as a positive 
mental
attitude and philosophy are, they are little more than words if 
there isn't
some kind of active effort to transform them into actions.  
Wanting to feed
the starving is more than wanting--it is doing something to 
advance that
cause--donating money, growing food, building roads, and buying 
vehicles.
None of this is accomplished by remaining on the sidelines and 
being an
observer, even if an informed one; it is accomplished by a 
resolution to do
something and then by following through on that resolution.

The Federation, for all the pride I take in her, is not a luxury 
liner
capable of being guided and run by a few and on which many may 
ride in
comfort.  Instead my Federation is a canoe, a ship that can carry 
a few, but
needs every person who can to be at the ores pushing us along, 
steering us
in the direction we want to go, and helping us avoid the 
obstacles that
would break our frail craft if not maneuvered with skill, 
intelligence, and
the support of a God and a public who wants the best for us.  
Blind
Americans, just like sighted Americans, can make the choice as to 
whether or
not to be involved, but the choice they make has consequences for 
all of us.
The more people we have who are active rowers of our canoe, the 
more each of
us who row have time to do other things and the more likely we 
are to
succeed.  Our mission is a noble one that argues for our own 
independence and
for the continued prosperity of our nation.  I believe it is so 
important
that we dare not sit on the sidelines.  I have spent enough of my 
life being
told to observe and weight.  When I have a choice, I will choose
participation, service, and the knowledge that, come what may, I 
have tried.
This is why I am a part of the Federation.  This is why I ask 
others to be a
part.  I don't want to whine and I don't want to preach.  I want 
to be
grateful for what I have, to repay those who have helped to make 
it come
true, and to pay it forward for those who want the same kind of 
future I
want.  I ask for the energy that others can bring in charting 
that course and
then helping us travel it.

Gary


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 16:21:32 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:21:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...
Message-ID: <4f16f1bc.6a6c340a.35f2.3a84@mx.google.com>

Thanks, Ignasi! I'll have to check this out!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
To: National list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:42:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...

Hello all,
I'm posting this here just because I think it can be helpful to 
some
people, but I really don't have anything to do with the company 
that
produces this accessory or anything like that.
About a month ago I received a very convenient iPhone bluetooth
keybord as a gift.  Basically it's a regular iPhone case which 
has a
slide-out keyboard.  I have always lived in peace with the 
on-screen
iPhone keyboard, but I must say that this case makes it a lot 
faster
for me to type as a blind user.  I know many people don't like 
typing
on a touch screen, and this thing really solves the issue.  I 
also find
that using the keybort and the touch screen together is really
efficient when navigating apps and websites.
This device is made by a company called Nuu, and the model name 
is Mini Key.
Hope this helps someone!!

IC

Sent from my iPhone

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 16:21:47 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:21:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of the
	blind?
Message-ID: <4f16f1cb.6a6c340a.35f2.3a92@mx.google.com>

Great points, Bridgit! Thank you!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:56:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of 
the blind?

Chris,

You pose very interesting and valid questions.  Most of us have 
met
people who are blind and adopt a similar attitude as the people 
you
describe.  There are many reasons why people do and do not join 
an
organization, but we must look at what the purpose of these
organizations are.

First, sighted people do develop, promote and advocate for many 
issues.
Now, most of these groups have a blend of people with plenty of
diversity, but many ethnic and racial groups have organizations
dedicated to serving minorities and the issues and causes 
important to
them.  As a type 1 diabetic, I've been involved in diabetic 
groups
advocating for better care, encouraging research and providing
education; I did this sighted.  There are other health-related 
groups
doing similar work.  And the list goes on and on.  We often fail 
to see
the other perspective especially with blindness.  People focus on 
this,
forgetting many organizations exist doing similar work.  The 
Federation
is not unique in terms of an advocacy group promoting causes and
initiatives.

Now, the initial goals of the Federation were to promote 
independence,
work towards changing attitudes and serving as a political 
platform for
blind causes led by those with the experience of being blind.  
So, first
and foremost, a group like the NFB is dedicated to political 
activism
and advocacy.  Despite the growing number of divisions within the
Federation catering to various interests, the priority of the 
Federation
has always been to promote and advocate the ideas and causes 
important
to Federation members.

That we meet other blind people, having opportunities to network, 
is
essential to the growth and success of the Federation because we 
need
each generation to adopt healthy, positive mindsets about 
blindness.  The
social aspect, however, is secondary to the political element.  
Not
everyone joins to be politically active.  In my experience, a 
majority of
people join the Federation purely for social reasons, though many
eventually come to understand the importance of an active voice
advocating for equal rights and fair treatment of the blind.  
This has
been debated again and again, but at the fundamental level, an
organization like the NFB is similar to those groups fighting for
equality among other minority groups.  We've been labeled 
second-class
citizens for years, not always given opportunities and our 
abilities are
questioned and doubted.  So we stand up and demand equality.

That we have a chance to network and ask questions of those with
experience, is a benefit to joining the Federation.  You have a 
support
system backing you, ready to help in any way.  For example, we've 
heard a
lot about law students denied bar exams in an accessible mode 
they
prefer.  The Federation has stepped in to take legal action, 
assisting
those law students and others to come.  The couple in Missouri 
whose
newborn was taken by CPS a couple of years ago for no reason 
other than
both parents were blind.  The Federation also stepped in to help 
take
legal action along with the couple.  As technology grows, we 
struggle
more and more as blind consumers to use current technology due to 
the
lack of accessibility.  Again, the NFB is fighting to change 
this,
demanding equal access for all consumers.  As well as taking 
legal
action, the Federation provides advocacy and education.

Many feel Federationist are Nazi-like in their fervor about
independence.  True, many are more combative which does not lead 
to a
nurturing environment allowing others to adopt independent 
ideals.  The
truth is, though, that the NFB supports independence in any way
providing you with efficiency.  Unfortunately, many of us could 
benefit
from alternative techniques, which many refuse to learn or use on 
a
regular basis.  In my experience, and having once been a 
"partial," often
the alternative skills truly do make one more efficient than 
using
useable vision, and this is why the Federation seems, at times, 
to be
against sight, but it's actually the contrary.  If you're being
independent, living your life, not caving into stereotypes and 
negative
attitudes, the Federation supports this way of life.  The 
Federation
expects us to grow and challenge ourselves as ours peers 
challenge us
likewise.  This is one of the huge differences I see between the 
NFB and
other organizations of the blind; we're not expected to stay 
where we
are; we're urged to move forward, carving a path before us, 
challenging
ourselves to strive for new and greater heights.

So why am I a Federationist? Because I'm not content to sit idly 
by
letting others make decisions for me.  I'm not content to feel 
entitled
to services, legislation and technology that I had no say in, no
contribution to changes.  I don't want to watch a chef cook, I 
want to
roll my sleeves up and get my hands in the mix.  Networking with 
fellow
blind people and learning what we are all doing is great, but I 
want to
affect change, and I want to be a part of that change.  It's not 
about
isolating ourselves from society and forming an elite group made 
up of
people who are blind; it's in fact about encouraging and 
fostering
integration.  We are people with dreams, desires and interests; 
that we
are blind is but one attribute of our being.  I wasn't always 
blind, and
when I lost my sight, I didn't change who I am.  My interest and 
goals
are the same; I now just accomplish certain things with different
methods and tools at times.

We all have to decide what we believe in and why.  I believe it's
important to analyze and question beliefs and ideas in order to 
truly
digest it.  Only then can we form decisions based on our own 
ideas and
opinions rather than any thoughts and opinions thrust on us 
whether
unwillingly or not.  I think we all need to understand that the
Federation's priority is advocacy and education; when we know 
this, it
can make it easier to explain the Federation and its purpose.  
Despite
the plethora of members affiliated predominantly for social 
reasons ,
this does not change the goals and direction of the collective 
group, of
the heart.  We've not been accepted as equals, as people just as 
capable,
so we created an organization dedicated to breaking barriers and
demanding equality just like many other groups.  Anyone curious 
about the
Federation, wanting to join, should understand that first and 
foremost,
the Federation is a political group determined to use advocacy,
legislation and education to change what it means to be blind, 
and fight
for our equality.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:36:38 -0500
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: NFB Talk List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>,	NFB Blind Talk list
	<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,	NFB NABS list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of 
the
	blind?
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Fellow Federationists,

As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of blind
people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind, for
one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that if
they had any problems, being a part of an organization would help
them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of what
benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
(blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
thoughts on this!
Thanks,

Chris


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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Jan 18 17:12:53 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:12:53 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A Thought for Today
Message-ID: <EF385562081F4531BC63717AAF5E94DB@stanford.edu>

Taken from the a word a day emails:
A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest. -Elie Wiesel, writer, Nobel laureate (b. 1928)

From troubleclark at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 17:14:16 2012
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:14:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] latest on the Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities
	Act
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	<CAO83KOvF103xSjL9HvYqq+gjb5PqBqihADB5xx1W0hiFVXiUfA@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Chris and Josh,
I am going to Annapolis Day on Thursday and I will ask Sharon Maneki
and ask her what is up with it.


Sincerely,
Nathan Clark

On 1/18/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Thanks, Chris.
> We all need to be in the know, about this.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>>
>> I haven't heard any other news on the Fair Wages for Workers with
>> Disabilities Act since the last email about it was sent to all
>> the lists.  We'll probably hear more about it after Washington
>> Seminar.  In the mean time, I'd keep track of the NFB Web site
>> (there's a "what's new" section right on the homepage with NFB
>> news" and the Braille Monitor.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:57:56 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization
>> of theblind?
>>
>> That was my point.
>> Thanks, Aubrie, for shedding more light on it.
>> BTW, speaking of civil rights for the blind, can someone start a
>> thread, on the latest on the Fair Wages Act?
>> That is one reason, why people should join the organizations, for
>> legislative benefits.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/16/12, Aubrie Lucas <aubielynn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Haven't minorities trying to achieve goals often banded
>> together? (NAACP,
>>  NAWSA, for examples.)
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>  Of Chris Nusbaum
>>  Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:37 PM
>>  To: NFB Talk List; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
>>  Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of
>> the blind?
>>
>>  Fellow Federationists,
>>
>>  As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
>>  have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of
>> blind
>>  people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind,
>> for
>>  one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
>>  political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
>>  want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
>>  with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
>>  themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
>>  there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
>>  value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
>>  organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
>>  resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
>>  have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that
>> if
>>  they had any problems, being a part of an organization would
>> help
>>  them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
>>  advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
>>  don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
>>  get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
>>  important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of
>> what
>>  benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
>>  people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
>>  don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
>>  sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
>>  blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
>>  want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
>>  (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
>>  exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
>>  blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
>>  responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
>>  thoughts on this!
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>  Chris
>>
>>  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>  nuisance."
>>  -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 18 17:17:15 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:17:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] latest on the Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities
	Act
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Awesome!
Thanks, Nathan.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/18/12, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Chris and Josh,
> I am going to Annapolis Day on Thursday and I will ask Sharon Maneki
> and ask her what is up with it.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
> On 1/18/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Thanks, Chris.
>> We all need to be in the know, about this.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>>
>>> I haven't heard any other news on the Fair Wages for Workers with
>>> Disabilities Act since the last email about it was sent to all
>>> the lists.  We'll probably hear more about it after Washington
>>> Seminar.  In the mean time, I'd keep track of the NFB Web site
>>> (there's a "what's new" section right on the homepage with NFB
>>> news" and the Braille Monitor.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>> nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:57:56 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization
>>> of theblind?
>>>
>>> That was my point.
>>> Thanks, Aubrie, for shedding more light on it.
>>> BTW, speaking of civil rights for the blind, can someone start a
>>> thread, on the latest on the Fair Wages Act?
>>> That is one reason, why people should join the organizations, for
>>> legislative benefits.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/16/12, Aubrie Lucas <aubielynn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  Haven't minorities trying to achieve goals often banded
>>> together? (NAACP,
>>>  NAWSA, for examples.)
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>  Of Chris Nusbaum
>>>  Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:37 PM
>>>  To: NFB Talk List; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
>>>  Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of
>>> the blind?
>>>
>>>  Fellow Federationists,
>>>
>>>  As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
>>>  have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of
>>> blind
>>>  people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind,
>>> for
>>>  one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
>>>  political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
>>>  want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
>>>  with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
>>>  themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
>>>  there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
>>>  value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
>>>  organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
>>>  resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
>>>  have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that
>>> if
>>>  they had any problems, being a part of an organization would
>>> help
>>>  them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
>>>  advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
>>>  don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
>>>  get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
>>>  important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of
>>> what
>>>  benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
>>>  people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
>>>  don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
>>>  sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
>>>  blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
>>>  want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
>>>  (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
>>>  exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
>>>  blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
>>>  responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
>>>  thoughts on this!
>>>  Thanks,
>>>
>>>  Chris
>>>
>>>  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>>  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>>  nuisance."
>>>  -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>  nabs-l mailing list
>>>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 17:24:33 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:24:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFBMD Day in Annapolis (was re: latest on the Fair Wages
	for Workers with Disabilities Act
Message-ID: <4f170084.25b2340a.386f.0a9f@mx.google.com>

Hi Nate,

Thank you! Anil Lewis will also probably be there, so you could 
ask him if you see him.  Please let me know how Annapolis goes! 
By the way, to everyone else on the list (so you know what we're 
talking about,) the NFB of Maryland has a day in January, soon 
after the Maryland General Assembly starts its session each year, 
where we go to Annapolis and meet with our state legislators.  
For anyone interested, I have attached the fact sheets for the 
issues we are focusing on for this year's day in Annapolis.
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:14:16 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] latest on the Fair Wages for Workers with 
DisabilitiesAct

Dear Chris and Josh,
I am going to Annapolis Day on Thursday and I will ask Sharon 
Maneki
and ask her what is up with it.


Sincerely,
Nathan Clark

On 1/18/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Thanks, Chris.
 We all need to be in the know, about this.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,

 I haven't heard any other news on the Fair Wages for Workers 
with
 Disabilities Act since the last email about it was sent to all
 the lists.  We'll probably hear more about it after Washington
 Seminar.  In the mean time, I'd keep track of the NFB Web site
 (there's a "what's new" section right on the homepage with NFB
 news" and the Braille Monitor.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:57:56 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an 
organization
 of theblind?

 That was my point.
 Thanks, Aubrie, for shedding more light on it.
 BTW, speaking of civil rights for the blind, can someone start a
 thread, on the latest on the Fair Wages Act?
 That is one reason, why people should join the organizations, 
for
 legislative benefits.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/16/12, Aubrie Lucas <aubielynn at gmail.com> wrote:
  Haven't minorities trying to achieve goals often banded
 together? (NAACP,
  NAWSA, for examples.)

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
 [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
  Of Chris Nusbaum
  Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:37 PM
  To: NFB Talk List; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
  Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization 
of
 the blind?

  Fellow Federationists,

  As I have become more and more active in the blind community 
and
  have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of
 blind
  people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind,
 for
  one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
  political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they 
don't
  want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't 
agree
  with either organization's philosophy and don't want to 
identify
  themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
  there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
  value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
  organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network 
of
  resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
  have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that
 if
  they had any problems, being a part of an organization would
 help
  them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
  advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
  don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
  get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
  important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of
 what
  benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
  people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
  don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
  sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
  blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
  want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
  (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of 
organization
  exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
  blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
  responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
  thoughts on this!
  Thanks,

  Chris

  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  
The
  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
  nuisance."
  -- Kenneth Jernigan

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 17:24:32 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:24:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Thought for Today
Message-ID: <4f170080.25b2340a.386f.0a99@mx.google.com>

Great quote, thanks!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:12:53 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A Thought for Today

Taken from the a word a day emails:
A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, 
but there must never be a time when we fail to protest.  -Elie 
Wiesel, writer, Nobel laureate (b.  1928)
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jan 18 17:43:52 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:43:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: ADV: Reminder: Seminars@Hadley Presents: Braille
 Music Technology
Message-ID: <auto-000044303561@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Braille Music Technology
>
>Date: Thursday, January 19, 2012
>
>Time: 10:00 AM CST, 16:00 GMT
>
>How do blind and low vision people read and 
>write music? Isn’t that braille music code 
>impossibly hard to learn? How can blind 
>producers make great sounding records 
>independently? How can blind and low vision 
>people participate in music groups with sighted 
>musicians? Can I read magnified music notation while I play my instrument?
>
>To learn the answers to these and related 
>questions, you are invited to attend a Hadley 
>seminar presentation given by Bill McCann, 
>founder and president of Dancing Dots®. McCann 
>will share some of his background as a musician 
>turned programmer, turned entrepreneur. For 
>almost two decades now, his company has thrived 
>in the tiny niche market where music meets 
>technology for the blind. His journey has 
>brought him to almost half of the 41 countries 
>where his company’s accessible music 
>technology is used, with encounters along the 
>way with such notables as Stevie Wonder, Diane 
>Schuur, Ronny Milsap, Ray Charles, Henry Butler, 
>Marcus Roberts and Raul Midon, as well as visits 
>to the White House, the Hôtel de Ville in 
>Paris, and concert venues from Prague to Sao 
>Paulo. Meet someone who "hasn’t had a real job 
>in 20 years" and who is still "having fun most days" working six days a week to
>build, maintain and broaden opportunities for 
>musicians who are blind or low vision.
>
>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only 
>register if you know you are available to attend 
>so that others are not closed out. To register 
>for the seminar, follow this link: http://hadley.edu/SeminarDetails.asp?sid=112
>
>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from:
>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St.  | Winnetka, IL 60093



From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 19:28:11 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:28:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] the Maryland Association of Blind Students now has a list
	serve!
Message-ID: <4f171d7c.b11d340a.3cc2.2402@mx.google.com>

Hello Fellow Federationists,

I am writing and posting this on behalf of the Maryland 
Association of Blind Students (MDABS) board:

The Maryland Association of Blind Students (MDABS) is pleased to 
announce that we now have a list-serve, on which blind students 
in Maryland, members of MDABS, or anyone else interested in 
issues/topics related to blind students in Maryland, blind 
students, or blind people in Maryland, can discuss these topics.  
Also, this is a list for the dissemination of announcements about 
MDABS events, and announcements of interest to us.  If you are 
interested, please subscribe to our list either by going to 
www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/mdabs or by sending an email to 
mdabs-request at nfbnet.org with the subject "subscribe" (without 
the quotes.)

See you on the list!
Thanks,

Chris Nusbaum, on behalf of the MDABS board

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 19:55:50 2012
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:55:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] National Association of Blind Students Membership
 Committee presents: NFB Summer Programs, Sunday, Janurary 22nd, 6:30 ET
Message-ID: <CAEwUdjNRiHwwTKLNBs=kJb_Gpa_XnaKgeKvvj8pcqN6=VJsFqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Fellow students!

 For many the new semester is only days old, and for some (maybe most)
of us, you already can’t wait for summer to begin!
 Well, the next nabs membership conference call is for you, the
adventuress high school student and the confident blind role model
college student.

Are you a high school student looking to leave home for the summer,
meet new Friends and gain new skills?

Are you a college student confident in your non-visual techniques and
looking for a way to positively impact the next generation of youth?
Join NABS and the youth coordinators of Blind Industries and Services
of Maryland, Blindness Learning in New Dimensions Incorporated, the
Colorado Center for the Blind,   and the Louisiana Center for  Blind
and learn what the youth programs are all about.  Also find out more
about what they have to offer, how you can benefit
>From them, and how you can get involved his summer.

When: Sunday, January 22nd at 6:30 EST

Where: 712-775-7100

   Pass code: 257963

We look forward to seeing you!

 The Nabs Membership committee


From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 21:20:24 2012
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
In-Reply-To: <CAN+-G_DQi3AYhdSJWrLhrpE1EYcccX=-CNWGApiniZi5=JLumA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN+-G_DQi3AYhdSJWrLhrpE1EYcccX=-CNWGApiniZi5=JLumA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+6VNgOfSmz_ciXKGuqeSzNbNd6C9BjkQ2U9dn0k7aUc6HpZLA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Patrick,
AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall user-friendly,
intuitive interface. Its most recent version (7.5, I believe) also
allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a great
feature since both of these popular IM  services are not particularly
accessible. While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking incoming
messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does not work
as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over to the
Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in, which is a
little annoying but not too big of a deal. Hope this helps!
Katie


On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm using
> Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12. Any tips/suggestions/help you
> can give me would be great.
> Thanks,
> Patrick
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 21:23:45 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:23:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
Message-ID: <4f173892.ea73340a.104b.2fe9@mx.google.com>

Hi Katie,

I have heard of people using AIM with a chat client called 
Miranda, which apparently makes AIM and other chat services more 
accessible with JAWS.  Also, a question: you said that the latest 
version of AIM enables you to connect to Google or Facebook chat.  
So will this work the other way around; can I chat with somebody 
using AIM by using Google Chat on my BrailleNote?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hi Patrick,
AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall 
user-friendly,
intuitive interface.  Its most recent version (7.5, I believe) 
also
allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a 
great
feature since both of these popular IM  services are not 
particularly
accessible.  While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking 
incoming
messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does not 
work
as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over to 
the
Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in, which 
is a
little annoying but not too big of a deal.  Hope this helps!
Katie


On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hey Guys,
 I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm 
using
 Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12.  Any 
tips/suggestions/help you
 can give me would be great.
 Thanks,
 Patrick

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 18 22:10:34 2012
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:10:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of the blind?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1326909620.32238.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP450AD363DCE070B0934239BC4810@phx.gbl>

Chris, Sean, Arielle and others,

I think each of you have hit the nail on the head. Perhaps, and this is
not the first time I've had this thought, referring to a "philosophy" of
blindness is too closely associated with religion or philosophical
schools of thought, which it is, but not to the extent in which some
think. I can't tell you how many people I meet, sighted and blind, who
hear philosophy of blindness and this phrase alone is what turns them
off. Certainly some Federationist, along with members of other
organizations, have the fervor of an evangelist, but this concept is
strictly related to how we view blindness and what we think blind people
can accomplish. Nothing more; no connection to religious views, no
association politically other than political issues specific to
blindness, no connotations on morals or what constitutes "good" and
"bad" people. Maybe though, we need to consider a new word or phrase so
immediate lines are not drawn to other definitions and ideas about what
"philosophy" means.

We all have varying personalities and degrees of interest. As blind
people, we know our interest and personalities are as varied and vast as
those who are not blind. Advocacy and political activism come naturally
for some while others, for a myriad of reasons, are not interested in or
comfortable with the role of activist and advocate. Some find a way to
advocate in nontraditional ways or non-political ways such as community
involvement, creative writing, art or simply living their life. Some
seek a social outlet in which to meet like-minded people and many are
eager for information. I've heard stories about people learning about
the Federation simply by researching blindness. Many of us join
organizations like the NFB and grow into different roles as we progress
as a human and as a blind person. As pointed out, some have to
prioritize their lives and simply can't always make the Federation a top
priority all the time.

Many people join organizations like the Federation for a plethora of
reasons, and as Sean points out, there's no Litmus scale measuring
superiority or what reason is more important than others. Like in the
world in general, some have political interest, others don't; some
people use artistic expressions to relay emotions and concepts, others
just enjoy being creative for no deeper reason than it brings joy to
them and others; some enjoy participating in interest and activities
with like-minded peers, while others don't feel a necessity to see out
social settings this way. We follow the same path in the Federation or
any organization working to bring awareness and equality to the world.

Joining an organization doesn't label us "better" or superior to those
who don't join. And to be quite frank, if members of any organization
belittle and demean those who don't join, or feel they are a "better"
blind person for joining a group, they're in the wrong. No one should
ever, ever treat people in a demeaning way. If we claim to fight for
equality, we can't turn around and treat others who don't join with
mindsets and attitudes suggesting inequality. We all have a right to how
we live and what, and how, we participate in groups. Likewise, we can't
adopt superior attitudes towards members who, in the opinions of some,
lack involvement, or those who participate in certain aspects of the
Federation but not others. If someone wishes to make the Federation
their life (and I'm not coating this with any meaning good or bad) that
is their choice, but if others don't and can't devote all or even half
of their life to the Federation, this is also their choice, and either
one should not be made to feel guilty, inferior or treated as though
they don't care, or live in a safety-net of blind-specific interest and
pursuits.

We can't expect the world to treat us as equals and deal fairly with us
if we don't extend the same courtesies to each other. When I had to step
down from most of my Federation positions last spring due to personal
reasons, whispers went up in some corners that I had "back-slid" in my
ideas of blindness and what is important. To be a bit honest, I have
felt quite isolated since stepping down though I made it clear I had no
intention of quitting the Federation or that I was no longer interested
in assisting in what way I can; I just reached a point where I couldn't
have the sense of obligation board positions hang over you as a huge
part of my life. I needed to claim back the balance in my life so I
could focus on personal and professional ventures as well. So I
understand how some may feel, like you're either in all the way or
you're not in at all, which is not realistic for most people in general
no matter the group or topic.

I'm much like Sean; though I believe whole-heartedly in the fundamentals
of the Federation-- complete independence and that blind people can, and
will, do anything-- I don't agree with each decision, each direction,
the Federation takes, just as I don't agree with each thought and issue
adopted by the Democrat party. This is how human nature works. Think of
the relationships in your life-- parents, siblings, significant others,
teachers, friends-- do you always agree with them? Of course not, and an
organization like the Federation operates like a family just on a larger
scale. We support one another and are there for one another even if we
don't always see eye-to-eye, no pun intended, smile!

Let's not stop moving becoming stag net because we tear one another down
simply for not joining an organization of the blind or because some of
us pick and choose where we are involved; this does nothing to help our
cause, it only disintegrates what we're working towards. Joining a group
like the Federation has a lot of benefits, but the NFB is working for
the blind community at large, whether you're a member or not. And like
Arielle said, we have an instant network of people to turn to for all
sorts of things. Whether it be employment, education, relationships and
even things like home management and parenting, we have a vast network
of people who have, or currently are, been there and can answer
questions and help us along our path. Let's not discredit a group like
the Federation or lump all Federation members into one cookie-cutter
shape, but let's not adopt superior attitudes either towards those who
don't join. Learn to think for yourselves and not be swayed by one
thought over another. You can be a Federationist and not agree with
every decision made, but you can also agree with many sentiments of the
Federation without actually joining. At the end of the day, is not
equality and independence for the blind what matters? And if this is
happening in the world, our country, does it really matter who is
involved and where they choose to be involved?

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan



From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 00:18:43 2012
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:18:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of the
	blind?
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP450AD363DCE070B0934239BC4810@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.23.1326909620.32238.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<BLU0-SMTP450AD363DCE070B0934239BC4810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAM6GWxy+gt1Udrne=VMrbgRhiksHYWErkj5PZa3w6BQsjM1EAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bridget and Others:

Thanks so much for writing such a thoughtful message Bridget.
This really hit home with me.
I currently know a very successful lady who used to live in my town
but now lives in Washington DC. I consider her to be very independent
and to me she lives her life the way I feel our philosophy encourages
blind people to be. She is not totally blind;she is visually impaired.
She has glaucoma and right now medicine controls it but she could
someday lose her vision.
When she was in high school she was a member of the chapter that was
once in this area. She told me that the people were very nice but she
was very pressured to use a cane, possibly get a dog, and go to one of
our training centers. She said she felt very pressured and did not
understand why she was being asked to do these things when she had
decent vision. She says now as an adult she knows how to handle it but
back then she didn't know how to handle this so she decided to quit.
I have tried to tell her many times how the federation has changed and
influanced my life for the better and she said maybe at some point she
would possibly reconsider joining but right now she neither has the
time or desire.
I really wish she would join because I think she would be a huge asset
to the organization and I love how she does not let her blindness stop
her. I believe she may even have a doctorate. I know she holds at
least one Master's degree and practices psychology at several places
in the DC area and teaches psychology in a college in Virginia.
I wish she would join but I have to accept she does not want to right
now. I have no right to treat her any differently because she won't
join. If we treat those who do not wish to join us differently or we
hold a superior attitude to those who do not want to join us this will
turn them away from ever considering joining. All we can do is
encourage.
When I was younger I held many misconceptions about the federation and
did not believe at all in joining an organization of blind people.
What was the point? I lived my life. I didn't need blind people.
I have since changed my views and think it is very important to be in
an organization for the blind. It not only changed my life, but it
makes me think about what my beliefs about blindness are. It has given
me many social opportunities and a whole network of people to help me
solve problems, support, and encourage me. I wish every blind and
visually impaired person would join this organization because that
would expand our network of blind people and make the organization
stronger but unfortunately this will not happen.
I am pretty active in my state affiliate but I do not make the
federation my life or believe in every decision or policy the
federation makes. I believe this is taking an organization way to far
and making it your whole life is silly. I certainly believe in the
federation and consider myself a pretty active member but I do not
make it my whole life.

Just my opinions/thoughts.
Kerri

On 1/18/12, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Chris, Sean, Arielle and others,
>
> I think each of you have hit the nail on the head. Perhaps, and this is
> not the first time I've had this thought, referring to a "philosophy" of
> blindness is too closely associated with religion or philosophical
> schools of thought, which it is, but not to the extent in which some
> think. I can't tell you how many people I meet, sighted and blind, who
> hear philosophy of blindness and this phrase alone is what turns them
> off. Certainly some Federationist, along with members of other
> organizations, have the fervor of an evangelist, but this concept is
> strictly related to how we view blindness and what we think blind people
> can accomplish. Nothing more; no connection to religious views, no
> association politically other than political issues specific to
> blindness, no connotations on morals or what constitutes "good" and
> "bad" people. Maybe though, we need to consider a new word or phrase so
> immediate lines are not drawn to other definitions and ideas about what
> "philosophy" means.
>
> We all have varying personalities and degrees of interest. As blind
> people, we know our interest and personalities are as varied and vast as
> those who are not blind. Advocacy and political activism come naturally
> for some while others, for a myriad of reasons, are not interested in or
> comfortable with the role of activist and advocate. Some find a way to
> advocate in nontraditional ways or non-political ways such as community
> involvement, creative writing, art or simply living their life. Some
> seek a social outlet in which to meet like-minded people and many are
> eager for information. I've heard stories about people learning about
> the Federation simply by researching blindness. Many of us join
> organizations like the NFB and grow into different roles as we progress
> as a human and as a blind person. As pointed out, some have to
> prioritize their lives and simply can't always make the Federation a top
> priority all the time.
>
> Many people join organizations like the Federation for a plethora of
> reasons, and as Sean points out, there's no Litmus scale measuring
> superiority or what reason is more important than others. Like in the
> world in general, some have political interest, others don't; some
> people use artistic expressions to relay emotions and concepts, others
> just enjoy being creative for no deeper reason than it brings joy to
> them and others; some enjoy participating in interest and activities
> with like-minded peers, while others don't feel a necessity to see out
> social settings this way. We follow the same path in the Federation or
> any organization working to bring awareness and equality to the world.
>
> Joining an organization doesn't label us "better" or superior to those
> who don't join. And to be quite frank, if members of any organization
> belittle and demean those who don't join, or feel they are a "better"
> blind person for joining a group, they're in the wrong. No one should
> ever, ever treat people in a demeaning way. If we claim to fight for
> equality, we can't turn around and treat others who don't join with
> mindsets and attitudes suggesting inequality. We all have a right to how
> we live and what, and how, we participate in groups. Likewise, we can't
> adopt superior attitudes towards members who, in the opinions of some,
> lack involvement, or those who participate in certain aspects of the
> Federation but not others. If someone wishes to make the Federation
> their life (and I'm not coating this with any meaning good or bad) that
> is their choice, but if others don't and can't devote all or even half
> of their life to the Federation, this is also their choice, and either
> one should not be made to feel guilty, inferior or treated as though
> they don't care, or live in a safety-net of blind-specific interest and
> pursuits.
>
> We can't expect the world to treat us as equals and deal fairly with us
> if we don't extend the same courtesies to each other. When I had to step
> down from most of my Federation positions last spring due to personal
> reasons, whispers went up in some corners that I had "back-slid" in my
> ideas of blindness and what is important. To be a bit honest, I have
> felt quite isolated since stepping down though I made it clear I had no
> intention of quitting the Federation or that I was no longer interested
> in assisting in what way I can; I just reached a point where I couldn't
> have the sense of obligation board positions hang over you as a huge
> part of my life. I needed to claim back the balance in my life so I
> could focus on personal and professional ventures as well. So I
> understand how some may feel, like you're either in all the way or
> you're not in at all, which is not realistic for most people in general
> no matter the group or topic.
>
> I'm much like Sean; though I believe whole-heartedly in the fundamentals
> of the Federation-- complete independence and that blind people can, and
> will, do anything-- I don't agree with each decision, each direction,
> the Federation takes, just as I don't agree with each thought and issue
> adopted by the Democrat party. This is how human nature works. Think of
> the relationships in your life-- parents, siblings, significant others,
> teachers, friends-- do you always agree with them? Of course not, and an
> organization like the Federation operates like a family just on a larger
> scale. We support one another and are there for one another even if we
> don't always see eye-to-eye, no pun intended, smile!
>
> Let's not stop moving becoming stag net because we tear one another down
> simply for not joining an organization of the blind or because some of
> us pick and choose where we are involved; this does nothing to help our
> cause, it only disintegrates what we're working towards. Joining a group
> like the Federation has a lot of benefits, but the NFB is working for
> the blind community at large, whether you're a member or not. And like
> Arielle said, we have an instant network of people to turn to for all
> sorts of things. Whether it be employment, education, relationships and
> even things like home management and parenting, we have a vast network
> of people who have, or currently are, been there and can answer
> questions and help us along our path. Let's not discredit a group like
> the Federation or lump all Federation members into one cookie-cutter
> shape, but let's not adopt superior attitudes either towards those who
> don't join. Learn to think for yourselves and not be swayed by one
> thought over another. You can be a Federationist and not agree with
> every decision made, but you can also agree with many sentiments of the
> Federation without actually joining. At the end of the day, is not
> equality and independence for the blind what matters? And if this is
> happening in the world, our country, does it really matter who is
> involved and where they choose to be involved?
>
> Sincerely,
> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Read my blog at:
> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>
> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>
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From nbrav003 at fiu.edu  Thu Jan 19 02:55:29 2012
From: nbrav003 at fiu.edu (Nallym Bravo)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:55:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] French Braille
Message-ID: <32A064A7-A0E1-4CE1-A981-C28FA5526FD0@fiu.edu>

Greetings all,

Hope everyone is having a great week. I have a couple of questions about reading French braille. Currently, I am using a braille display with my mac and when reading my French textbooks, the accents display incorrectly. Some accented characters don't even show up at all. Is there a specific setting I have to enable somewhere? Also, I find that the same thing is happening when I braille handouts on campus. They come out with the generic accent sign before the letter, but it poses a problem because it doesn't distinguish between the different accents used in French. I would truly appreciate any light anyone can shed on this matter.

Thanks for your time, and have a great day!

Best,
Nallym

From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 06:05:00 2012
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:05:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
In-Reply-To: <4f173892.ea73340a.104b.2fe9@mx.google.com>
References: <4f173892.ea73340a.104b.2fe9@mx.google.com>
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Hi Chris,
I have heard of Miranda but it appears to be a little tedious to set
up, so given that I still find AIM relatively usable (see my previous
post) I decided that it's not really worth my effort at this point. I
have heard that it works really well with JAWS once it is configured
properly though, so feel free to give it a try if you are feeling
technologically adventurous!
To answer your other question, I don't believe that the gchat program
can be configured to connect with AIM. I don't know about your circle
of friends, but from my personal experience I have found that AIM has
somewhat fallen out of favor; most people I know use Google or
Facebook Chat instead. I mainly use AIM as a way to access the other
IM clients on my PC, which are not as accessible. If you do have
friends who are AIM users, I would encourage you to give the program a
try-- It's not perfect but really shouldn't disappoint too much!
Katie


On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Katie,
>
> I have heard of people using AIM with a chat client called
> Miranda, which apparently makes AIM and other chat services more
> accessible with JAWS.  Also, a question: you said that the latest
> version of AIM enables you to connect to Google or Facebook chat.
> So will this work the other way around; can I chat with somebody
> using AIM by using Google Chat on my BrailleNote?
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>
> Hi Patrick,
> AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall
> user-friendly,
> intuitive interface.  Its most recent version (7.5, I believe)
> also
> allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a
> great
> feature since both of these popular IM  services are not
> particularly
> accessible.  While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking
> incoming
> messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does not
> work
> as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over to
> the
> Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in, which
> is a
> little annoying but not too big of a deal.  Hope this helps!
> Katie
>
>
> On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Hey Guys,
>  I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm
> using
>  Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12.  Any
> tips/suggestions/help you
>  can give me would be great.
>  Thanks,
>  Patrick
>
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From zach2012 at chickerland.com  Thu Jan 19 13:51:27 2012
From: zach2012 at chickerland.com (Zach)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:51:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...
In-Reply-To: <-6445401115701921877@unknownmsgid>
References: <-6445401115701921877@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <F824075A418145D2AC91B734A265EB1A@ZachlaptopPC>

think I might use it when I get an iPhone...Thanks



Zach Dreicer-Griego
Email: zach2012 at chickerland.com
Skype and Twitter: Chickerland
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chickerland
-----Original Message----- 
From: Ignasi Cambra
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 9:42 PM
To: National list
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting iPhone accessory...

Hello all,
I'm posting this here just because I think it can be helpful to some
people, but I really don't have anything to do with the company that
produces this accessory or anything like that.
About a month ago I received a very convenient iPhone bluetooth
keybord as a gift. Basically it's a regular iPhone case which has a
slide-out keyboard. I have always lived in peace with the on-screen
iPhone keyboard, but I must say that this case makes it a lot faster
for me to type as a blind user. I know many people don't like typing
on a touch screen, and this thing really solves the issue. I also find
that using the keybort and the touch screen together is really
efficient when navigating apps and websites.
This device is made by a company called Nuu, and the model name is Mini Key.
Hope this helps someone!!

IC

Sent from my iPhone

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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 14:06:40 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:06:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] French Braille
In-Reply-To: <32A064A7-A0E1-4CE1-A981-C28FA5526FD0@fiu.edu>
References: <32A064A7-A0E1-4CE1-A981-C28FA5526FD0@fiu.edu>
Message-ID: <8028211544044740497@unknownmsgid>

This depends on which braille table you are using. You can change this
somewhere in the VoiceOver utility, under the braille category. Let me
know if you can't find it and I'll try to help.

IC

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Nallym Bravo <nbrav003 at fiu.edu> wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> Hope everyone is having a great week. I have a couple of questions about reading French braille. Currently, I am using a braille display with my mac and when reading my French textbooks, the accents display incorrectly. Some accented characters don't even show up at all. Is there a specific setting I have to enable somewhere? Also, I find that the same thing is happening when I braille handouts on campus. They come out with the generic accent sign before the letter, but it poses a problem because it doesn't distinguish between the different accents used in French. I would truly appreciate any light anyone can shed on this matter.
>
> Thanks for your time, and have a great day!
>
> Best,
> Nallym
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 14:41:39 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:41:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
References: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC><CAO83KOvV5R_TWsgEgwHGm2o9igNF3gYCG=+xjq-0KmnozM3PUg@mail.gmail.com><AD48136EFA544341899C0AB816F8A86C@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvBdQ2qGsk-x4WeG4q3y+X9GR15uCWYa-RuFijanhemDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B1BE453D9234B9BA442DEA00B7430BB@Gloria>

Hi,
Does anyone know of any scholarships I could apply for besides NFB, AFB, or 
the McGregor? If so, where could I find the applications to apply?
Thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds


I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I heard it
on the news, in June, of 2011.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
> I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with the
> publisher.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>
> Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
> The Department of Justice said so.
> They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites accessible.
>> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>> But it seems right to do so. Well, I’m trying to take an intro to
>> computers
>> class.
>>
>> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on the
>> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get
>> in
>> that way. The CD is the same way!
>> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run  into
>> this?
>>
>> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
>> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study
>> tools,
>> and practice quizzes. I don’t do this for every class; I do have a life.
>> But
>> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
>> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>>
>> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I’m hoping they 
>> have
>>
>> a
>> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
>> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues and
>> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will send
>> me
>> stuff directly; we’ll see.
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Thu Jan 19 14:48:31 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:48:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
In-Reply-To: <4B1BE453D9234B9BA442DEA00B7430BB@Gloria>
References: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvV5R_TWsgEgwHGm2o9igNF3gYCG=+xjq-0KmnozM3PUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<AD48136EFA544341899C0AB816F8A86C@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvBdQ2qGsk-x4WeG4q3y+X9GR15uCWYa-RuFijanhemDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B1BE453D9234B9BA442DEA00B7430BB@Gloria>
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Hi, Gloria.
I'll look it up for you, and then, E-mail you, offlist.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/19/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Does anyone know of any scholarships I could apply for besides NFB, AFB, or
> the McGregor? If so, where could I find the applications to apply?
> Thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>
>
> I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I heard it
> on the news, in June, of 2011.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
>> I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with the
>> publisher.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>
>> Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
>> The Department of Justice said so.
>> They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites accessible.
>>> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>>> But it seems right to do so. Well, I’m trying to take an intro to
>>> computers
>>> class.
>>>
>>> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on the
>>> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get
>>> in
>>> that way. The CD is the same way!
>>> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run  into
>>> this?
>>>
>>> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
>>> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study
>>> tools,
>>> and practice quizzes. I don’t do this for every class; I do have a life.
>>> But
>>> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
>>> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>>>
>>> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I’m hoping they
>>> have
>>>
>>> a
>>> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
>>> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues and
>>> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will send
>>> me
>>> stuff directly; we’ll see.
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 14:51:36 2012
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:51:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
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	<CAO83KOurB0mkFUf6uwYFSRC8cOyiikUwJb-zp4MNNLhKrgE1eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6D5053E40DB43319FE5C634DF23398E@HUMBERTOAVILA>

Joshua, I think it would be beneficial to email us on-list all the findings
of your research for scholarships you find. I think many students including
myself will like to know also.
Thanks,
Humberto 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:49 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds

Hi, Gloria.
I'll look it up for you, and then, E-mail you, offlist.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/19/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Does anyone know of any scholarships I could apply for besides NFB, AFB,
or
> the McGregor? If so, where could I find the applications to apply?
> Thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>
>
> I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I heard it
> on the news, in June, of 2011.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
>> I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with the
>> publisher.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>
>> Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
>> The Department of Justice said so.
>> They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites
accessible.
>>> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>>> But it seems right to do so. Well, I'm trying to take an intro to
>>> computers
>>> class.
>>>
>>> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on
the
>>> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get
>>> in
>>> that way. The CD is the same way!
>>> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run
into
>>> this?
>>>
>>> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
>>> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study
>>> tools,
>>> and practice quizzes. I don't do this for every class; I do have a life.
>>> But
>>> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
>>> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>>>
>>> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I'm hoping they
>>> have
>>>
>>> a
>>> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
>>> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues
and
>>> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will
send
>>> me
>>> stuff directly; we'll see.
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
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>>>
>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 14:54:20 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:54:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
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Thanks Josh
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds


Hi, Gloria.
I'll look it up for you, and then, E-mail you, offlist.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/19/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Does anyone know of any scholarships I could apply for besides NFB, AFB, 
> or
> the McGregor? If so, where could I find the applications to apply?
> Thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>
>
> I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I heard it
> on the news, in June, of 2011.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
>> I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with the
>> publisher.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>
>> Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
>> The Department of Justice said so.
>> They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites 
>>> accessible.
>>> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>>> But it seems right to do so. Well, I’m trying to take an intro to
>>> computers
>>> class.
>>>
>>> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on 
>>> the
>>> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get
>>> in
>>> that way. The CD is the same way!
>>> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run 
>>> into
>>> this?
>>>
>>> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
>>> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study
>>> tools,
>>> and practice quizzes. I don’t do this for every class; I do have a life.
>>> But
>>> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
>>> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>>>
>>> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I’m hoping they
>>> have
>>>
>>> a
>>> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
>>> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues 
>>> and
>>> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will 
>>> send
>>> me
>>> stuff directly; we’ll see.
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Thu Jan 19 14:55:34 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:55:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
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I found out something, that I didn't know!
Depending on where you live, your local Lighthouse for the Blind, may
offer a scholarship.
That's all I could find!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/19/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua, I think it would be beneficial to email us on-list all the findings
> of your research for scholarships you find. I think many students including
> myself will like to know also.
> Thanks,
> Humberto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:49 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>
> Hi, Gloria.
> I'll look it up for you, and then, E-mail you, offlist.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/19/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Does anyone know of any scholarships I could apply for besides NFB, AFB,
> or
>> the McGregor? If so, where could I find the applications to apply?
>> Thanks
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I heard it
>> on the news, in June, of 2011.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
>>> I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with the
>>> publisher.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>>
>>> Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
>>> The Department of Justice said so.
>>> They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites
> accessible.
>>>> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>>>> But it seems right to do so. Well, I'm trying to take an intro to
>>>> computers
>>>> class.
>>>>
>>>> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on
> the
>>>> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get
>>>> in
>>>> that way. The CD is the same way!
>>>> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run
> into
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
>>>> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study
>>>> tools,
>>>> and practice quizzes. I don't do this for every class; I do have a life.
>>>> But
>>>> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
>>>> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>>>>
>>>> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I'm hoping they
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
>>>> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues
> and
>>>> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will
> send
>>>> me
>>>> stuff directly; we'll see.
>>>> Ashley
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>
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> ccua.edu
>>>>
>>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Thu Jan 19 14:57:16 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:57:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
In-Reply-To: <753C34D36CEC4B8594471F3BA8A0357E@Gloria>
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Gloria, please read my findings in the last message.
Humberto requested that I publish the findings, on the list, so I did.
Your welcome, BTW.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/19/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Josh
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>
>
> Hi, Gloria.
> I'll look it up for you, and then, E-mail you, offlist.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/19/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Does anyone know of any scholarships I could apply for besides NFB, AFB,
>> or
>> the McGregor? If so, where could I find the applications to apply?
>> Thanks
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I heard it
>> on the news, in June, of 2011.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
>>> I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with the
>>> publisher.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>>
>>> Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
>>> The Department of Justice said so.
>>> They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites
>>>> accessible.
>>>> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>>>> But it seems right to do so. Well, I’m trying to take an intro to
>>>> computers
>>>> class.
>>>>
>>>> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on
>>>> the
>>>> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get
>>>> in
>>>> that way. The CD is the same way!
>>>> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run
>>>> into
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
>>>> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study
>>>> tools,
>>>> and practice quizzes. I don’t do this for every class; I do have a life.
>>>> But
>>>> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
>>>> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>>>>
>>>> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I’m hoping they
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
>>>> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues
>>>> and
>>>> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will
>>>> send
>>>> me
>>>> stuff directly; we’ll see.
>>>> Ashley
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>>
>>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 15:06:00 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:06:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
References: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC><CAO83KOvV5R_TWsgEgwHGm2o9igNF3gYCG=+xjq-0KmnozM3PUg@mail.gmail.com><AD48136EFA544341899C0AB816F8A86C@OwnerPC><CAO83KOvBdQ2qGsk-x4WeG4q3y+X9GR15uCWYa-RuFijanhemDg@mail.gmail.com><4B1BE453D9234B9BA442DEA00B7430BB@Gloria><CAO83KOurB0mkFUf6uwYFSRC8cOyiikUwJb-zp4MNNLhKrgE1eg@mail.gmail.com><D6D5053E40DB43319FE5C634DF23398E@HUMBERTOAVILA>
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thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds


>I found out something, that I didn't know!
> Depending on where you live, your local Lighthouse for the Blind, may
> offer a scholarship.
> That's all I could find!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/19/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua, I think it would be beneficial to email us on-list all the 
>> findings
>> of your research for scholarships you find. I think many students 
>> including
>> myself will like to know also.
>> Thanks,
>> Humberto
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:49 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>
>> Hi, Gloria.
>> I'll look it up for you, and then, E-mail you, offlist.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/19/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Does anyone know of any scholarships I could apply for besides NFB, AFB,
>> or
>>> the McGregor? If so, where could I find the applications to apply?
>>> Thanks
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I heard it
>>> on the news, in June, of 2011.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Joshua,
>>>> Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
>>>> I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with 
>>>> the
>>>> publisher.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>>>
>>>> Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
>>>> The Department of Justice said so.
>>>> They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites
>> accessible.
>>>>> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>>>>> But it seems right to do so. Well, I'm trying to take an intro to
>>>>> computers
>>>>> class.
>>>>>
>>>>> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on
>> the
>>>>> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and 
>>>>> get
>>>>> in
>>>>> that way. The CD is the same way!
>>>>> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run
>> into
>>>>> this?
>>>>>
>>>>> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
>>>>> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study
>>>>> tools,
>>>>> and practice quizzes. I don't do this for every class; I do have a 
>>>>> life.
>>>>> But
>>>>> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
>>>>> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>>>>>
>>>>> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I'm hoping they
>>>>> have
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
>>>>> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues
>> and
>>>>> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will
>> send
>>>>> me
>>>>> stuff directly; we'll see.
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 16:52:55 2012
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:52:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate and other notetakers
Message-ID: <CAL57mpFwR0yszzGdyWAQ-+o1E2bqNiz4CxAWGup+4v_yJWnKOw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone,
I currently have a pacmate and have been looking into investing in a
new notetaker. Has anyone used the braillenote apex? How does it
compare to the pacmate? Would it be a good investment?
Amanda


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Thu Jan 19 17:05:03 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:05:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate and other notetakers
In-Reply-To: <CAL57mpFwR0yszzGdyWAQ-+o1E2bqNiz4CxAWGup+4v_yJWnKOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL57mpFwR0yszzGdyWAQ-+o1E2bqNiz4CxAWGup+4v_yJWnKOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOvhKjFx+=Cnj3pVjHESwW7KkvbfNrYV7+x0E81-Ji_8kA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Amanda.
I love the Pac Mate.
I haven't looked at the Apex, but will, at convention, this year.
I have, looked at the other Braille Notes, and the Pac Mate is better for me.
The Braille Note has too many compartments, and things that I don't need.
Please E-mail me offlist, because I have some questions for you.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/19/12, Amanda Cape <cape.amanda at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> I currently have a pacmate and have been looking into investing in a
> new notetaker. Has anyone used the braillenote apex? How does it
> compare to the pacmate? Would it be a good investment?
> Amanda
>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Thu Jan 19 17:24:46 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:24:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate and other notetakers
References: <CAL57mpFwR0yszzGdyWAQ-+o1E2bqNiz4CxAWGup+4v_yJWnKOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B231A8B325C8446881D67D9319376526@stanford.edu>

Can you email me off list? I have never owned a PacMate, but I own a 
BrailleNote Apex. If you describe how/for what you use the PacMate, I may be 
able to tell you if the Apex can work in a similar way.

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amanda Cape" <cape.amanda at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate and other notetakers


> Hey everyone,
> I currently have a pacmate and have been looking into investing in a
> new notetaker. Has anyone used the braillenote apex? How does it
> compare to the pacmate? Would it be a good investment?
> Amanda
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 19 19:34:42 2012
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:34:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] How we treat other blind people
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1326996025.29388.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP145C931C7A6CA6532041F8FC4860@phx.gbl>

Kerri,

First, I love how you spell your name, grin.

Okay, I'm sure I'm walking into controversial ground, but I'm also known
for not beating around the bush.

I will be honest; in the past, I was in the number of blind people who
judged others based on the alternative tools and skills they used.
Regardless of useable vision or not, I jumped on the bandwagon and was
ready to discredit those not using long white canes, service dogs,
Braille, JAWS- you get the picture.

Fortunately, I've realized my mistake and have adjusted my mindset. I
have always prided myself on my ability to think for myself and not be
easily influenced by others and their opinions, but there I was, without
a second thought, judging fellow blind people because I associated with
a mindset that no matter your level of remaining vision, no matter your
circumstances, if you didn't use alternative skills, and alternative
skills only, you had a bad attitude about blindness. This, my friends,
is not the attitude to adopt especially if we wish for more blind people
to join our ranks. And this very attitude is one of the reasons so many,
not all, but many Federationist are considered combative, radical and
judgmental. Sometimes the intentions are good; we simply want to see you
reach your full potential, but many times the intentions are nothing
more than to discredit and demoralize.

Another thing I've always prided myself on was not judging others before
getting to know them; and yet, once again, I use to judge others merely
based on what tool and method they used as a blind person. I knew
nothing of their character, their circumstances, their life. I'm ashamed
to admit these things, but I've walked through the fire and have
realized that I can't preach equality and expect it from sighted peers
if I'm not willing to give the same to my fellow blind people. Equality
does not come with exceptions or test, or at least, it shouldn't. No
matter what we feel and think, if we want equality, we must show
equality.

Now, this does not mean we do not challenge one another. If a person
clearly could benefit from alternative skills, we encourage them to use
those skills. We don't, though, leave them in the dust if they don't
automatically adjust to this. When we know people on a much more
personal level, we can make suggestions and discuss concepts and skills,
encouraging, challenging but most of all, being supportive and helpful.
Friends don't drop you, true friends, when you disagree.

I still hold certain opinions I'm entitled too just as we all do, and
I'm well aware of certain arguments both for and against what I'm
saying. Let me try to appease some by reiterating that, in my
experience, most people who still retain some vision, could benefit from
alternative skills and methods. It may be a combination of vision and
nonvisual techniques; it may be more vision than nonvisual skills or it
may be more nonvisual methods than vision, but nonetheless, I know many
who do, or can, benefit from the introduction of nonvisual skills. That
being said, we still have no right to judge or treat people rudely if
they don't do things exactly like us. Is not this the very attitude we
cringe about and hate in sighted people? That we don't always do things
the same way as sighted people so therefore we are considered different,
less capable, not worth befriending, hiring, etc.?

If we recognize in a blind person their struggle with using sight only
or predominantly, we need to introduce them to and encourage the
nonvisual skills many of us know are efficient and extremely helpful. I
have a friend refusing to use JAWS more often which is leading to
headaches when they study. Obviously they could benefit from learning
how to use screenreading software, but if adopt a superior attitude and
demean them just because things aren't clicking in their head, what
chance do I have of reaching them? Do any of you want to do things when
you feel stupid and are treated rudely? No, so we need to follow that
golden rule of treating others as you want to be treated. We still
challenge, but we change our tone.

Our affiliate has a very well respected board member who does a ton to
help the Federation. They do not use alternative skills since they still
have quite a bit of useable vision. This person does not use a cane,
uses magnification over screenreaders when necessary, reads print
instead of Braille, and yet, they have a great attitude about blindness
and are in the upper echelons of our affiliate.

I have another friend with quite a bit of useable vision but they choose
to use nonvisual skills predominently. Braille, white cane, JAWS- the
whole nine-yards. They use their vision if necessary, and of course,
sight is an instinct, so those who have it, or some of it, use it
whether they want or not, but this person chooses to rely on nonvisual
skills and methods most of the time.

My own husband once served on our affiliate board and has served in many
capacities in our chapter. He's a "partial," who uses a combination of
nonvisual tools and sight. He always has his cane and uses it, but he
switches between JAWS and magnification, though he uses JAWS more. If he
can see something with his bare eyes, he does, though he uses Braille.

Obviously the Federation has no problem with sight and using sight. All
are efficient, well-educated, great people who have adopted positive
attitudes about blindness. Yes, I know this can be a slippery slope, but
how we can we judge? How can we say someone is "better" for the type of
tools and methods they use, or don't use?

Kerri, I don't know your friend. Perhaps some nonvisual techniques could
benefit them, maybe not. It's not my call to make. As long as they are
being independent, striving to accomplish their goals, living life, is
not this our point? To be active, independent people. Turning people off
by our attitudes is not an effective way to change their minds about
blindness and join our organization. We need to pause and think before
leaping to conclusions and judgments about people. And if they don't
automatically hop onto certain ways of thinking about blindness, or
immediately seek training and nonvisual techniques, we don't leave them
out in the cold, writing them off. Mentoring is not a temp job, it's for
life, though certainly at some point our mentees should be able to act
as mentors, but we need to foster continued circles of support and
encouragement if we wish people to adapt to a Federation philosophy and
want to join our organization.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:18:43 -0500
From: Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of
	the	blind?
Message-ID:
	
<CAM6GWxy+gt1Udrne=VMrbgRhiksHYWErkj5PZa3w6BQsjM1EAQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi Bridget and Others:

Thanks so much for writing such a thoughtful message Bridget. This
really hit home with me. I currently know a very successful lady who
used to live in my town but now lives in Washington DC. I consider her
to be very independent and to me she lives her life the way I feel our
philosophy encourages blind people to be. She is not totally blind;she
is visually impaired. She has glaucoma and right now medicine controls
it but she could someday lose her vision. When she was in high school
she was a member of the chapter that was once in this area. She told me
that the people were very nice but she was very pressured to use a cane,
possibly get a dog, and go to one of our training centers. She said she
felt very pressured and did not understand why she was being asked to do
these things when she had decent vision. She says now as an adult she
knows how to handle it but back then she didn't know how to handle this
so she decided to quit. I have tried to tell her many times how the
federation has changed and influanced my life for the better and she
said maybe at some point she would possibly reconsider joining but right
now she neither has the time or desire. I really wish she would join
because I think she would be a huge asset to the organization and I love
how she does not let her blindness stop her. I believe she may even have
a doctorate. I know she holds at least one Master's degree and practices
psychology at several places in the DC area and teaches psychology in a
college in Virginia. I wish she would join but I have to accept she does
not want to right now. I have no right to treat her any differently
because she won't join. If we treat those who do not wish to join us
differently or we hold a superior attitude to those who do not want to
join us this will turn them away from ever considering joining. All we
can do is encourage. When I was younger I held many misconceptions about
the federation and did not believe at all in joining an organization of
blind people. What was the point? I lived my life. I didn't need blind
people. I have since changed my views and think it is very important to
be in an organization for the blind. It not only changed my life, but it
makes me think about what my beliefs about blindness are. It has given
me many social opportunities and a whole network of people to help me
solve problems, support, and encourage me. I wish every blind and
visually impaired person would join this organization because that would
expand our network of blind people and make the organization stronger
but unfortunately this will not happen. I am pretty active in my state
affiliate but I do not make the federation my life or believe in every
decision or policy the federation makes. I believe this is taking an
organization way to far and making it your whole life is silly. I
certainly believe in the federation and consider myself a pretty active
member but I do not make it my whole life.

Just my opinions/thoughts.
Kerri



From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 19 20:03:10 2012
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Hai Nguyen Ly)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:03:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Job posting: part time data collector position for
	community based research
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20120119072614.02fb3320@mail.uic.edu>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20120119072614.02fb3320@mail.uic.edu>
Message-ID: <544CD1BB-7496-450F-8F15-EF5CB077F6D1@sbcglobal.net>



part time data collector position for community based research

The University of Illinois at Chicago, Department of Medicine, seeks a part –time data collector for an NCI funded intervention involving African American Breast cancer survivors throughout the city of Chicago. The intervention is a culturally sensitive weight loss program in partnership with the Chicago Park District. Data collectors will be required to recruit participants and conduct long interviews (about 1.5 hours) at various locations in and around the Chicago Metropolitan area. Bachelor's degree is required. Previous community-based research experience is preferred. Position is for 20 - 40 hours/week.

For more information or for fullest consideration submit your resume/CV and cover letter to Claudia Arroyo by fax (312) 413-8950 or email carroy5 at uic.edu. Applications will be accepted until position is filled. UIC is an AA/EOE.





 


From prenfranz at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 20:37:18 2012
From: prenfranz at gmail.com (Pat Renfranz)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:37:18 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] AFB Scholarships
Message-ID: <CAO=grAG4pJRTkekvB+xr5F2LBNM_cgYX8RzLsFD3bA_BuH=tRA@mail.gmail.com>

NOPBC, the NFB's division for parents of blind children, recently received
an announcement regarding a number of scholarships being awarded for
post-secondary study by the American Foundation for the Blind. Please visit
the AFB website for more information and to apply, at
www.afb.org/scholarships.asp

Good luck!

Pat

From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Thu Jan 19 17:50:54 2012
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:50:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOvmpJ9ibHCmSX0+hkQXgy3xZ-XEjtkbpA29earG2whTKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000005047042@mailback3.g2host.com>

When looking for scholarships, don't overlook resources available to the school you are attending.  That 
should probably be the first place you look.  I don't mean the DSS office, although that wouldn't hurt, 
but there is likely a financial aid office of some kind.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:55:34 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote:

>I found out something, that I didn't know!
>Depending on where you live, your local Lighthouse for the Blind, may
>offer a scholarship.
>That's all I could find!
>Blessings, Joshua

>On 1/19/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua, I think it would be beneficial to email us on-list all the findings
>> of your research for scholarships you find. I think many students including
>> myself will like to know also.
>> Thanks,
>> Humberto
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:49 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>
>> Hi, Gloria.
>> I'll look it up for you, and then, E-mail you, offlist.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/19/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Does anyone know of any scholarships I could apply for besides NFB, AFB,
>> or
>>> the McGregor? If so, where could I find the applications to apply?
>>> Thanks
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I heard it
>>> on the news, in June, of 2011.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Joshua,
>>>> Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
>>>> I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with the
>>>> publisher.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>>>
>>>> Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
>>>> The Department of Justice said so.
>>>> They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites
>> accessible.
>>>>> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>>>>> But it seems right to do so. Well, I'm trying to take an intro to
>>>>> computers
>>>>> class.
>>>>>
>>>>> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on
>> the
>>>>> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get
>>>>> in
>>>>> that way. The CD is the same way!
>>>>> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run
>> into
>>>>> this?
>>>>>
>>>>> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
>>>>> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study
>>>>> tools,
>>>>> and practice quizzes. I don't do this for every class; I do have a life.
>>>>> But
>>>>> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
>>>>> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>>>>>
>>>>> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I'm hoping they
>>>>> have
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
>>>>> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues
>> and
>>>>> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will
>> send
>>>>> me
>>>>> stuff directly; we'll see.
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
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>> ccua.edu
>>>>>
>>>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 21:52:38 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:52:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
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I agree that is the first place I went
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds


> When looking for scholarships, don't overlook resources available to the 
> school you are attending.  That
> should probably be the first place you look.  I don't mean the DSS office, 
> although that wouldn't hurt,
> but there is likely a financial aid office of some kind.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:55:34 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>>I found out something, that I didn't know!
>>Depending on where you live, your local Lighthouse for the Blind, may
>>offer a scholarship.
>>That's all I could find!
>>Blessings, Joshua
>
>>On 1/19/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Joshua, I think it would be beneficial to email us on-list all the 
>>> findings
>>> of your research for scholarships you find. I think many students 
>>> including
>>> myself will like to know also.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Humberto
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:49 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>>
>>> Hi, Gloria.
>>> I'll look it up for you, and then, E-mail you, offlist.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/19/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Does anyone know of any scholarships I could apply for besides NFB, 
>>>> AFB,
>>> or
>>>> the McGregor? If so, where could I find the applications to apply?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I heard it
>>>> on the news, in June, of 2011.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>> Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
>>>>> I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with 
>>>>> the
>>>>> publisher.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
>>>>> The Department of Justice said so.
>>>>> They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites
>>> accessible.
>>>>>> Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>>>>>> But it seems right to do so. Well, I'm trying to take an intro to
>>>>>> computers
>>>>>> class.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on
>>> the
>>>>>> first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and 
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> that way. The CD is the same way!
>>>>>> The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run
>>> into
>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
>>>>>> benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study
>>>>>> tools,
>>>>>> and practice quizzes. I don't do this for every class; I do have a 
>>>>>> life.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
>>>>>> prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I'm hoping they
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
>>>>>> If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues
>>> and
>>>>>> got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will
>>> send
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> stuff directly; we'll see.
>>>>>> Ashley
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From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 22:46:16 2012
From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:46:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking roomates for Washington Seminar
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Hi all, one of my friends is seeking roomates for Washington Seminar,
If possible, with someone who is staying at the main hotel. . She  is
currently a student in the state of Washington, and is looking to stay
from Sunday Feb 5th, to Wednesday Feb 8th. She does not mind rooming
with more than one person. If you already have a room, and are
interessted or want more info, shoot her an email ASAP at
natalyabudnik at gmail.com

Thanks for reading,
Alex Castillo


From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Fri Jan 20 00:49:05 2012
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:49:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of the
	blind?
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You know, it occurs to me that part of the "problem" (in quotes) that 
we're discussing has much to do with our "recruitment speech" (in 
quotes). I think it was Bridgit who felt that the P word scares people 
off. Maybe instead of talking about a philosophy of blindness, there's 
always the option of saying "I believe." For instance, I believe that 
the blind are as capable as anyone else. Or, I believe that training is 
a key component to functioning as a blind person in a sighted world. 
Or, I think that social definitions of blindness are a much bigger 
problem than actually not being able to see. These phrases should be 
familiar to you, but they're just worded differently.

And as to the issue of persuading people to get training, it's tricky. 
No one likes to hear that they have much to learn, and I don't care 
what the topic of conversation is. We all like to believe that we've 
got it together even if it's obvious to outsiders that we don't. I 
could really believe this to be especially the case when discussing an 
emotionally charged topic like adapting to vision loss. Not only would 
someone like not to hear that they haven't got it together, but they 
don't want to hear that they're blind enough to need such services to 
begin with. Now, legitimately, there are those who really don't need 
such services, but there are many more who would find them useful if 
they ever decided to try. So as a result of all this, I've taken to 
describing how blindness training has helped me if and when it seems 
appropriate. Most people can draw the line between their experience and 
mine. But at the very least, they realize that i'm talkiing about 
myself and not them, so it takes some of the pressure off. Another 
option is to just wait and let the individual identify issues they're 
having and talk about how blindness training helped you to overcome 
similar barriers. And then there's always the option of just waiting it 
out. Sure, some folks told me I needed training. But I think I really 
made that discovery for myself when I noticed that the totally blind 
Federationists around me could function in ways I could not and that 
the partially blind Federationists around me functioned no matter what 
they saw at any given point.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> Hi Bridget and Others:

> Thanks so much for writing such a thoughtful message Bridget.
> This really hit home with me.
> I currently know a very successful lady who used to live in my town
> but now lives in Washington DC. I consider her to be very independent
> and to me she lives her life the way I feel our philosophy encourages
> blind people to be. She is not totally blind;she is visually impaired.
> She has glaucoma and right now medicine controls it but she could
> someday lose her vision.
> When she was in high school she was a member of the chapter that was
> once in this area. She told me that the people were very nice but she
> was very pressured to use a cane, possibly get a dog, and go to one of
> our training centers. She said she felt very pressured and did not
> understand why she was being asked to do these things when she had
> decent vision. She says now as an adult she knows how to handle it but
> back then she didn't know how to handle this so she decided to quit.
> I have tried to tell her many times how the federation has changed and
> influanced my life for the better and she said maybe at some point she
> would possibly reconsider joining but right now she neither has the
> time or desire.
> I really wish she would join because I think she would be a huge asset
> to the organization and I love how she does not let her blindness stop
> her. I believe she may even have a doctorate. I know she holds at
> least one Master's degree and practices psychology at several places
> in the DC area and teaches psychology in a college in Virginia.
> I wish she would join but I have to accept she does not want to right
> now. I have no right to treat her any differently because she won't
> join. If we treat those who do not wish to join us differently or we
> hold a superior attitude to those who do not want to join us this will
> turn them away from ever considering joining. All we can do is
> encourage.
> When I was younger I held many misconceptions about the federation and
> did not believe at all in joining an organization of blind people.
> What was the point? I lived my life. I didn't need blind people.
> I have since changed my views and think it is very important to be in
> an organization for the blind. It not only changed my life, but it
> makes me think about what my beliefs about blindness are. It has given
> me many social opportunities and a whole network of people to help me
> solve problems, support, and encourage me. I wish every blind and
> visually impaired person would join this organization because that
> would expand our network of blind people and make the organization
> stronger but unfortunately this will not happen.
> I am pretty active in my state affiliate but I do not make the
> federation my life or believe in every decision or policy the
> federation makes. I believe this is taking an organization way to far
> and making it your whole life is silly. I certainly believe in the
> federation and consider myself a pretty active member but I do not
> make it my whole life.

> Just my opinions/thoughts.
> Kerri

> On 1/18/12, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Chris, Sean, Arielle and others,

>> I think each of you have hit the nail on the head. Perhaps, and this is
>> not the first time I've had this thought, referring to a "philosophy" of
>> blindness is too closely associated with religion or philosophical
>> schools of thought, which it is, but not to the extent in which some
>> think. I can't tell you how many people I meet, sighted and blind, who
>> hear philosophy of blindness and this phrase alone is what turns them
>> off. Certainly some Federationist, along with members of other
>> organizations, have the fervor of an evangelist, but this concept is
>> strictly related to how we view blindness and what we think blind people
>> can accomplish. Nothing more; no connection to religious views, no
>> association politically other than political issues specific to
>> blindness, no connotations on morals or what constitutes "good" and
>> "bad" people. Maybe though, we need to consider a new word or phrase so
>> immediate lines are not drawn to other definitions and ideas about what
>> "philosophy" means.

>> We all have varying personalities and degrees of interest. As blind
>> people, we know our interest and personalities are as varied and vast as
>> those who are not blind. Advocacy and political activism come naturally
>> for some while others, for a myriad of reasons, are not interested in or
>> comfortable with the role of activist and advocate. Some find a way to
>> advocate in nontraditional ways or non-political ways such as community
>> involvement, creative writing, art or simply living their life. Some
>> seek a social outlet in which to meet like-minded people and many are
>> eager for information. I've heard stories about people learning about
>> the Federation simply by researching blindness. Many of us join
>> organizations like the NFB and grow into different roles as we progress
>> as a human and as a blind person. As pointed out, some have to
>> prioritize their lives and simply can't always make the Federation a top
>> priority all the time.

>> Many people join organizations like the Federation for a plethora of
>> reasons, and as Sean points out, there's no Litmus scale measuring
>> superiority or what reason is more important than others. Like in the
>> world in general, some have political interest, others don't; some
>> people use artistic expressions to relay emotions and concepts, others
>> just enjoy being creative for no deeper reason than it brings joy to
>> them and others; some enjoy participating in interest and activities
>> with like-minded peers, while others don't feel a necessity to see out
>> social settings this way. We follow the same path in the Federation or
>> any organization working to bring awareness and equality to the world.

>> Joining an organization doesn't label us "better" or superior to those
>> who don't join. And to be quite frank, if members of any organization
>> belittle and demean those who don't join, or feel they are a "better"
>> blind person for joining a group, they're in the wrong. No one should
>> ever, ever treat people in a demeaning way. If we claim to fight for
>> equality, we can't turn around and treat others who don't join with
>> mindsets and attitudes suggesting inequality. We all have a right to how
>> we live and what, and how, we participate in groups. Likewise, we can't
>> adopt superior attitudes towards members who, in the opinions of some,
>> lack involvement, or those who participate in certain aspects of the
>> Federation but not others. If someone wishes to make the Federation
>> their life (and I'm not coating this with any meaning good or bad) that
>> is their choice, but if others don't and can't devote all or even half
>> of their life to the Federation, this is also their choice, and either
>> one should not be made to feel guilty, inferior or treated as though
>> they don't care, or live in a safety-net of blind-specific interest and
>> pursuits.

>> We can't expect the world to treat us as equals and deal fairly with us
>> if we don't extend the same courtesies to each other. When I had to step
>> down from most of my Federation positions last spring due to personal
>> reasons, whispers went up in some corners that I had "back-slid" in my
>> ideas of blindness and what is important. To be a bit honest, I have
>> felt quite isolated since stepping down though I made it clear I had no
>> intention of quitting the Federation or that I was no longer interested
>> in assisting in what way I can; I just reached a point where I couldn't
>> have the sense of obligation board positions hang over you as a huge
>> part of my life. I needed to claim back the balance in my life so I
>> could focus on personal and professional ventures as well. So I
>> understand how some may feel, like you're either in all the way or
>> you're not in at all, which is not realistic for most people in general
>> no matter the group or topic.

>> I'm much like Sean; though I believe whole-heartedly in the fundamentals
>> of the Federation-- complete independence and that blind people can, and
>> will, do anything-- I don't agree with each decision, each direction,
>> the Federation takes, just as I don't agree with each thought and issue
>> adopted by the Democrat party. This is how human nature works. Think of
>> the relationships in your life-- parents, siblings, significant others,
>> teachers, friends-- do you always agree with them? Of course not, and an
>> organization like the Federation operates like a family just on a larger
>> scale. We support one another and are there for one another even if we
>> don't always see eye-to-eye, no pun intended, smile!

>> Let's not stop moving becoming stag net because we tear one another down
>> simply for not joining an organization of the blind or because some of
>> us pick and choose where we are involved; this does nothing to help our
>> cause, it only disintegrates what we're working towards. Joining a group
>> like the Federation has a lot of benefits, but the NFB is working for
>> the blind community at large, whether you're a member or not. And like
>> Arielle said, we have an instant network of people to turn to for all
>> sorts of things. Whether it be employment, education, relationships and
>> even things like home management and parenting, we have a vast network
>> of people who have, or currently are, been there and can answer
>> questions and help us along our path. Let's not discredit a group like
>> the Federation or lump all Federation members into one cookie-cutter
>> shape, but let's not adopt superior attitudes either towards those who
>> don't join. Learn to think for yourselves and not be swayed by one
>> thought over another. You can be a Federationist and not agree with
>> every decision made, but you can also agree with many sentiments of the
>> Federation without actually joining. At the end of the day, is not
>> equality and independence for the blind what matters? And if this is
>> happening in the world, our country, does it really matter who is
>> involved and where they choose to be involved?

>> Sincerely,
>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>> Read my blog at:
>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 20 04:20:15 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:20:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
Message-ID: <65EBBF1656144616BD0325C1F655AFDF@OwnerPC>

Hi all,
As you might remember I’m in an introduction computer concepts class. I want the knowledge to be a wise computer consumer and user. We are learning about computer components like the CPU and motherboard and types of memory.
We also have to learn basic html and website design. We publish these small webpages on our school server eventually. That is just one of many assignments; we also go over the microsoft office suite.

So my questions for those familiar with website making.
1. What software do you publish with? I’m curious. I know many are not accessible. Maybe microsoft office front page?
We are taught to write the html codes in notepad and save it as a html file.
We don’t need software for the class.
Also, any accessible tutorials about html or website design? Our professor gave some to us, online tutorials. I’ll see if they’re readable with jaws.


2. How do you handle the visual stuff such as graphics, color of text, and background color? Will jaws read the colors when you open it up in a web browser? I suspect you just have to see it with low vision if you have it or ask a sighted person.

3. What is the difference between hyperlinks with relative and absolute paths? My instructor doesn’t explain much about the codes; we just look at the lab assignment and type it in. There is a code for each hyperlink put in.

4. Any tips for learning the color and font system called CSS, cascading style sheets? Do I just memorize the codes and what they mean. Not that we are getting that fancy though.

5. Are there free places to publish websites? I do not think you have to purchase web software or a website domain. Doesn’t google have something free? I doubt I’ll publish, but wanted to know in case I decide to make websites in the future.
I’m using Word to read the lab assignment and find it challenging to remember all the code and type it in exactly as it says in notepad. I do a few words and characters at a time. What is interesting to me is that there are six types of heading levels; 1 is the biggest and six the smallest. 
So one number in the code makes a difference! the code is <h1> or a 2 for heading 2.
Thanks.

From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Fri Jan 20 04:37:52 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:37:52 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
References: <65EBBF1656144616BD0325C1F655AFDF@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CA1A231F464E494282FFE7CE32F2689E@stanford.edu>

Look at http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp. It is an HTML tutorial 
and reference. They also have several other web languages.
An absolute path is the entire URL, like what I wrote above. However, the 
homepage of the W3school site might have the following:
<a href="html/default.asp">HTML</a>
This is because the link is on their server in their directory. Let me know 
if this does not make sense. Also feel free to email me off list. I am not 
an expert, but I know at least a little as I have had to design websites for 
projects before.

HTH,
Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:20 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions


> Hi all,
> As you might remember I’m in an introduction computer concepts class. I 
> want the knowledge to be a wise computer consumer and user. We are 
> learning about computer components like the CPU and motherboard and types 
> of memory.
> We also have to learn basic html and website design. We publish these 
> small webpages on our school server eventually. That is just one of many 
> assignments; we also go over the microsoft office suite.
>
> So my questions for those familiar with website making.
> 1. What software do you publish with? I’m curious. I know many are not 
> accessible. Maybe microsoft office front page?
> We are taught to write the html codes in notepad and save it as a html 
> file.
> We don’t need software for the class.
> Also, any accessible tutorials about html or website design? Our professor 
> gave some to us, online tutorials. I’ll see if they’re readable with jaws.
>
>
> 2. How do you handle the visual stuff such as graphics, color of text, and 
> background color? Will jaws read the colors when you open it up in a web 
> browser? I suspect you just have to see it with low vision if you have it 
> or ask a sighted person.
>
> 3. What is the difference between hyperlinks with relative and absolute 
> paths? My instructor doesn’t explain much about the codes; we just look at 
> the lab assignment and type it in. There is a code for each hyperlink put 
> in.
>
> 4. Any tips for learning the color and font system called CSS, cascading 
> style sheets? Do I just memorize the codes and what they mean. Not that we 
> are getting that fancy though.
>
> 5. Are there free places to publish websites? I do not think you have to 
> purchase web software or a website domain. Doesn’t google have something 
> free? I doubt I’ll publish, but wanted to know in case I decide to make 
> websites in the future.
> I’m using Word to read the lab assignment and find it challenging to 
> remember all the code and type it in exactly as it says in notepad. I do a 
> few words and characters at a time. What is interesting to me is that 
> there are six types of heading levels; 1 is the biggest and six the 
> smallest.
> So one number in the code makes a difference! the code is <h1> or a 2 for 
> heading 2.
> Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 20 04:52:41 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:52:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
In-Reply-To: <CA1A231F464E494282FFE7CE32F2689E@stanford.edu>
References: <65EBBF1656144616BD0325C1F655AFDF@OwnerPC>
	<CA1A231F464E494282FFE7CE32F2689E@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <2B708254100B48EB938E9BF6B80A89BA@OwnerPC>

Thanks. My professor suggested that site; glad to know it works!
I need an accessible tutorial to help design my mini site. The professor 
gave us all the codes for the practice assignments to get us started though. 
What is your major?
Thanks for your help.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions

Look at http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp. It is an HTML tutorial
and reference. They also have several other web languages.
An absolute path is the entire URL, like what I wrote above. However, the
homepage of the W3school site might have the following:
<a href="html/default.asp">HTML</a>
This is because the link is on their server in their directory. Let me know
if this does not make sense. Also feel free to email me off list. I am not
an expert, but I know at least a little as I have had to design websites for
projects before.

HTH,
Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:20 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions


> Hi all,
> As you might remember I’m in an introduction computer concepts class. I 
> want the knowledge to be a wise computer consumer and user. We are 
> learning about computer components like the CPU and motherboard and types 
> of memory.
> We also have to learn basic html and website design. We publish these 
> small webpages on our school server eventually. That is just one of many 
> assignments; we also go over the microsoft office suite.
>
> So my questions for those familiar with website making.
> 1. What software do you publish with? I’m curious. I know many are not 
> accessible. Maybe microsoft office front page?
> We are taught to write the html codes in notepad and save it as a html 
> file.
> We don’t need software for the class.
> Also, any accessible tutorials about html or website design? Our professor 
> gave some to us, online tutorials. I’ll see if they’re readable with jaws.
>
>
> 2. How do you handle the visual stuff such as graphics, color of text, and 
> background color? Will jaws read the colors when you open it up in a web 
> browser? I suspect you just have to see it with low vision if you have it 
> or ask a sighted person.
>
> 3. What is the difference between hyperlinks with relative and absolute 
> paths? My instructor doesn’t explain much about the codes; we just look at 
> the lab assignment and type it in. There is a code for each hyperlink put 
> in.
>
> 4. Any tips for learning the color and font system called CSS, cascading 
> style sheets? Do I just memorize the codes and what they mean. Not that we 
> are getting that fancy though.
>
> 5. Are there free places to publish websites? I do not think you have to 
> purchase web software or a website domain. Doesn’t google have something 
> free? I doubt I’ll publish, but wanted to know in case I decide to make 
> websites in the future.
> I’m using Word to read the lab assignment and find it challenging to 
> remember all the code and type it in exactly as it says in notepad. I do a 
> few words and characters at a time. What is interesting to me is that 
> there are six types of heading levels; 1 is the biggest and six the 
> smallest.
> So one number in the code makes a difference! the code is <h1> or a 2 for 
> heading 2.
> Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Fri Jan 20 05:11:07 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:11:07 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
References: <65EBBF1656144616BD0325C1F655AFDF@OwnerPC><CA1A231F464E494282FFE7CE32F2689E@stanford.edu>
	<2B708254100B48EB938E9BF6B80A89BA@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <194B193DA5F04507B369E9432E92B3CF@stanford.edu>

My major is computer science. Let me know if you would like some tips on 
what seems to work better with screen readers when designing websites.

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions


> Thanks. My professor suggested that site; glad to know it works!
> I need an accessible tutorial to help design my mini site. The professor 
> gave us all the codes for the practice assignments to get us started 
> though. What is your major?
> Thanks for your help.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:37 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>
> Look at http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp. It is an HTML tutorial
> and reference. They also have several other web languages.
> An absolute path is the entire URL, like what I wrote above. However, the
> homepage of the W3school site might have the following:
> <a href="html/default.asp">HTML</a>
> This is because the link is on their server in their directory. Let me 
> know
> if this does not make sense. Also feel free to email me off list. I am not
> an expert, but I know at least a little as I have had to design websites 
> for
> projects before.
>
> HTH,
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:20 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> As you might remember I’m in an introduction computer concepts class. I 
>> want the knowledge to be a wise computer consumer and user. We are 
>> learning about computer components like the CPU and motherboard and types 
>> of memory.
>> We also have to learn basic html and website design. We publish these 
>> small webpages on our school server eventually. That is just one of many 
>> assignments; we also go over the microsoft office suite.
>>
>> So my questions for those familiar with website making.
>> 1. What software do you publish with? I’m curious. I know many are not 
>> accessible. Maybe microsoft office front page?
>> We are taught to write the html codes in notepad and save it as a html 
>> file.
>> We don’t need software for the class.
>> Also, any accessible tutorials about html or website design? Our 
>> professor gave some to us, online tutorials. I’ll see if they’re readable 
>> with jaws.
>>
>>
>> 2. How do you handle the visual stuff such as graphics, color of text, 
>> and background color? Will jaws read the colors when you open it up in a 
>> web browser? I suspect you just have to see it with low vision if you 
>> have it or ask a sighted person.
>>
>> 3. What is the difference between hyperlinks with relative and absolute 
>> paths? My instructor doesn’t explain much about the codes; we just look 
>> at the lab assignment and type it in. There is a code for each hyperlink 
>> put in.
>>
>> 4. Any tips for learning the color and font system called CSS, cascading 
>> style sheets? Do I just memorize the codes and what they mean. Not that 
>> we are getting that fancy though.
>>
>> 5. Are there free places to publish websites? I do not think you have to 
>> purchase web software or a website domain. Doesn’t google have something 
>> free? I doubt I’ll publish, but wanted to know in case I decide to make 
>> websites in the future.
>> I’m using Word to read the lab assignment and find it challenging to 
>> remember all the code and type it in exactly as it says in notepad. I do 
>> a few words and characters at a time. What is interesting to me is that 
>> there are six types of heading levels; 1 is the biggest and six the 
>> smallest.
>> So one number in the code makes a difference! the code is <h1> or a 2 for 
>> heading 2.
>> Thanks.
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>>
>
>
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From jeffanel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 13:03:03 2012
From: jeffanel at gmail.com (jeff crouch)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:03:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
In-Reply-To: <194B193DA5F04507B369E9432E92B3CF@stanford.edu>
References: <65EBBF1656144616BD0325C1F655AFDF@OwnerPC>
	<CA1A231F464E494282FFE7CE32F2689E@stanford.edu>
	<2B708254100B48EB938E9BF6B80A89BA@OwnerPC>
	<194B193DA5F04507B369E9432E92B3CF@stanford.edu>
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Hello this is jeff crouch hear, I am a 15 year old web designer, and
to Ashley, a free publisher that i use is co.cc, hear is there link
http://www.co.cc

I am also seeking help with the web design stuff, i am good but not
that good, If anyone would like to contact me and eather I help you
with creating a sight or you can previde information for the different
stuff in code, you can e mail me off list, or add me on skype, my user
name is
magic2127
it will come up as jeff c.

i hope you have a good day.

73
kd8qiq
jeff crouch

On 1/20/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> My major is computer science. Let me know if you would like some tips on
> what seems to work better with screen readers when designing websites.
>
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>
>
>> Thanks. My professor suggested that site; glad to know it works!
>> I need an accessible tutorial to help design my mini site. The professor
>> gave us all the codes for the practice assignments to get us started
>> though. What is your major?
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:37 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>>
>> Look at http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp. It is an HTML tutorial
>> and reference. They also have several other web languages.
>> An absolute path is the entire URL, like what I wrote above. However, the
>> homepage of the W3school site might have the following:
>> <a href="html/default.asp">HTML</a>
>> This is because the link is on their server in their directory. Let me
>> know
>> if this does not make sense. Also feel free to email me off list. I am not
>> an expert, but I know at least a little as I have had to design websites
>> for
>> projects before.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Nicole
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:20 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> As you might remember I’m in an introduction computer concepts class. I
>>> want the knowledge to be a wise computer consumer and user. We are
>>> learning about computer components like the CPU and motherboard and types
>>>
>>> of memory.
>>> We also have to learn basic html and website design. We publish these
>>> small webpages on our school server eventually. That is just one of many
>>> assignments; we also go over the microsoft office suite.
>>>
>>> So my questions for those familiar with website making.
>>> 1. What software do you publish with? I’m curious. I know many are not
>>> accessible. Maybe microsoft office front page?
>>> We are taught to write the html codes in notepad and save it as a html
>>> file.
>>> We don’t need software for the class.
>>> Also, any accessible tutorials about html or website design? Our
>>> professor gave some to us, online tutorials. I’ll see if they’re readable
>>>
>>> with jaws.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. How do you handle the visual stuff such as graphics, color of text,
>>> and background color? Will jaws read the colors when you open it up in a
>>> web browser? I suspect you just have to see it with low vision if you
>>> have it or ask a sighted person.
>>>
>>> 3. What is the difference between hyperlinks with relative and absolute
>>> paths? My instructor doesn’t explain much about the codes; we just look
>>> at the lab assignment and type it in. There is a code for each hyperlink
>>> put in.
>>>
>>> 4. Any tips for learning the color and font system called CSS, cascading
>>> style sheets? Do I just memorize the codes and what they mean. Not that
>>> we are getting that fancy though.
>>>
>>> 5. Are there free places to publish websites? I do not think you have to
>>> purchase web software or a website domain. Doesn’t google have something
>>> free? I doubt I’ll publish, but wanted to know in case I decide to make
>>> websites in the future.
>>> I’m using Word to read the lab assignment and find it challenging to
>>> remember all the code and type it in exactly as it says in notepad. I do
>>> a few words and characters at a time. What is interesting to me is that
>>> there are six types of heading levels; 1 is the biggest and six the
>>> smallest.
>>> So one number in the code makes a difference! the code is <h1> or a 2 for
>>>
>>> heading 2.
>>> Thanks.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
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>>>
>>
>>
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-- 
73
kd8qiq
jeff crouch


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 14:53:03 2012
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 06:53:03 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Blindtlk] Community Service Membership call--Sunday
	January 22
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: community service Outreach <nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:37:25 -0600
Subject: [Blindtlk] Community Service Membership call--Sunday January 22
To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, community-service
<community-service at nfbnet.org>, nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>, nagdu
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>, blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>, blindtlk
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, blparent <blparent at nfbnet.org>

Hello, everyone!

It's time once again for the Community Service Group's monthly
membership call! January is National Mentoring Month, and Jermesa Lee,
the Vice President of the Florida Association of Blind Students, will
be sharing her experiences and perspectives on mentoring. The call in
information is below.

Topic: National Mentoring Month: Ideas, perspectives, experiences
When: Sunday, January 22 at 8 pm ET
Where:(218) 336-3900 passcode 808277

Hope to see you there!

Julie

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"To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the
formula
for a life well lived."

- Dr. Peter Benson


From troubleclark at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 16:04:21 2012
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:04:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] latest on the Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities
	Act
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	<CAO83KOutFvxKhgihHdnZbdWwD1QVEPFJDAiuRKvJjzHz3R2n_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB4OJj5UZcm5vccwqh2E3-SwjKhY50FhcaryOxpnEkEuU+StXw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Chris and Josh,

The Fair Wages issue was never discussed at Annapolis Day and I didn't
ask anyone about it. We were so busy trying to work on the current
issues that I kind of forgot about the wage issue.

In short, everyone was put into groups of four or five and we went
around to 20 or so offices and talked to the senators and other people
who worked in the individual offices.

I was put into a group that had Mark Riccabono as the leader, what a
group leader. During one of the last visits Mark had the idea that I
should do the talking to one of the senators. Well I kind of messed it
up and kind of got some of the facts about one of the bills wrong.
This mistake on my part became the group joke and I was frequently
reminded about this mistake for the rest of the night.

Overall, all of the senators we saw were very supportive of the bills.
However, some groups faced lots of opposition and rejection. Some
groups had it so bad that the senators didn't even listen to them and
stated that they had very little interest in helping the NFB of
Maryland. One guy said something like, "I have five other appointments
and tasks to do and I can't listen to you right now."

I hope this helps you understand what when on yesterday.
Sincerely,
Nathan Clark

On 1/18/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Awesome!
> Thanks, Nathan.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/18/12, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Chris and Josh,
>> I am going to Annapolis Day on Thursday and I will ask Sharon Maneki
>> and ask her what is up with it.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Nathan Clark
>>
>> On 1/18/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> Thanks, Chris.
>>> We all need to be in the know, about this.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Joshua,
>>>>
>>>> I haven't heard any other news on the Fair Wages for Workers with
>>>> Disabilities Act since the last email about it was sent to all
>>>> the lists.  We'll probably hear more about it after Washington
>>>> Seminar.  In the mean time, I'd keep track of the NFB Web site
>>>> (there's a "what's new" section right on the homepage with NFB
>>>> news" and the Braille Monitor.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>>> nuisance."
>>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:57:56 -0600
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization
>>>> of theblind?
>>>>
>>>> That was my point.
>>>> Thanks, Aubrie, for shedding more light on it.
>>>> BTW, speaking of civil rights for the blind, can someone start a
>>>> thread, on the latest on the Fair Wages Act?
>>>> That is one reason, why people should join the organizations, for
>>>> legislative benefits.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/16/12, Aubrie Lucas <aubielynn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>  Haven't minorities trying to achieve goals often banded
>>>> together? (NAACP,
>>>>  NAWSA, for examples.)
>>>>
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>  Of Chris Nusbaum
>>>>  Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:37 PM
>>>>  To: NFB Talk List; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
>>>>  Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of
>>>> the blind?
>>>>
>>>>  Fellow Federationists,
>>>>
>>>>  As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
>>>>  have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of
>>>> blind
>>>>  people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind,
>>>> for
>>>>  one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
>>>>  political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
>>>>  want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
>>>>  with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
>>>>  themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
>>>>  there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
>>>>  value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
>>>>  organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
>>>>  resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
>>>>  have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that
>>>> if
>>>>  they had any problems, being a part of an organization would
>>>> help
>>>>  them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
>>>>  advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
>>>>  don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
>>>>  get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
>>>>  important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of
>>>> what
>>>>  benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
>>>>  people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
>>>>  don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
>>>>  sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
>>>>  blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
>>>>  want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
>>>>  (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
>>>>  exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
>>>>  blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
>>>>  responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
>>>>  thoughts on this!
>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>  Chris
>>>>
>>>>  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>>  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>>  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>>>  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>>>  nuisance."
>>>>  -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Fri Jan 20 16:39:42 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:39:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] latest on the Fair Wages for Workers with
	DisabilitiesAct
References: <4f16e733.e465340a.26ac.0ce0@mx.google.com><CAO83KOvF103xSjL9HvYqq+gjb5PqBqihADB5xx1W0hiFVXiUfA@mail.gmail.com><CAB4OJj56o8ScMMpWN2_LsLDfPd79nQkN6_dEpCudmakQ_fzYPg@mail.gmail.com><CAO83KOutFvxKhgihHdnZbdWwD1QVEPFJDAiuRKvJjzHz3R2n_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB4OJj5UZcm5vccwqh2E3-SwjKhY50FhcaryOxpnEkEuU+StXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007e01ccd792$1ccf81a0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Hello Nathan and everyone,

    Those legislators would do well to remember who has the power to hire 
and fire them.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] latest on the Fair Wages for Workers with 
DisabilitiesAct


Dear Chris and Josh,

The Fair Wages issue was never discussed at Annapolis Day and I didn't
ask anyone about it. We were so busy trying to work on the current
issues that I kind of forgot about the wage issue.

In short, everyone was put into groups of four or five and we went
around to 20 or so offices and talked to the senators and other people
who worked in the individual offices.

I was put into a group that had Mark Riccabono as the leader, what a
group leader. During one of the last visits Mark had the idea that I
should do the talking to one of the senators. Well I kind of messed it
up and kind of got some of the facts about one of the bills wrong.
This mistake on my part became the group joke and I was frequently
reminded about this mistake for the rest of the night.

Overall, all of the senators we saw were very supportive of the bills.
However, some groups faced lots of opposition and rejection. Some
groups had it so bad that the senators didn't even listen to them and
stated that they had very little interest in helping the NFB of
Maryland. One guy said something like, "I have five other appointments
and tasks to do and I can't listen to you right now."

I hope this helps you understand what when on yesterday.
Sincerely,
Nathan Clark

On 1/18/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Awesome!
> Thanks, Nathan.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/18/12, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Chris and Josh,
>> I am going to Annapolis Day on Thursday and I will ask Sharon Maneki
>> and ask her what is up with it.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Nathan Clark
>>
>> On 1/18/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> Thanks, Chris.
>>> We all need to be in the know, about this.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Joshua,
>>>>
>>>> I haven't heard any other news on the Fair Wages for Workers with
>>>> Disabilities Act since the last email about it was sent to all
>>>> the lists.  We'll probably hear more about it after Washington
>>>> Seminar.  In the mean time, I'd keep track of the NFB Web site
>>>> (there's a "what's new" section right on the homepage with NFB
>>>> news" and the Braille Monitor.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>>> nuisance."
>>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:57:56 -0600
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization
>>>> of theblind?
>>>>
>>>> That was my point.
>>>> Thanks, Aubrie, for shedding more light on it.
>>>> BTW, speaking of civil rights for the blind, can someone start a
>>>> thread, on the latest on the Fair Wages Act?
>>>> That is one reason, why people should join the organizations, for
>>>> legislative benefits.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/16/12, Aubrie Lucas <aubielynn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>  Haven't minorities trying to achieve goals often banded
>>>> together? (NAACP,
>>>>  NAWSA, for examples.)
>>>>
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>  Of Chris Nusbaum
>>>>  Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:37 PM
>>>>  To: NFB Talk List; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
>>>>  Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of
>>>> the blind?
>>>>
>>>>  Fellow Federationists,
>>>>
>>>>  As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
>>>>  have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of
>>>> blind
>>>>  people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind,
>>>> for
>>>>  one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
>>>>  political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
>>>>  want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
>>>>  with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
>>>>  themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
>>>>  there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
>>>>  value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
>>>>  organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
>>>>  resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
>>>>  have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that
>>>> if
>>>>  they had any problems, being a part of an organization would
>>>> help
>>>>  them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
>>>>  advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
>>>>  don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
>>>>  get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
>>>>  important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of
>>>> what
>>>>  benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
>>>>  people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
>>>>  don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
>>>>  sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
>>>>  blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
>>>>  want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
>>>>  (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
>>>>  exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
>>>>  blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
>>>>  responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
>>>>  thoughts on this!
>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>  Chris
>>>>
>>>>  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>>  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>>  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>>>  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>>>  nuisance."
>>>>  -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>  nabs-l mailing list
>>>>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 20 19:14:01 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:14:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
Message-ID: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.

I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.

First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!

Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?

Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille tests!

Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its not laid out well.

Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too. Publishers need to get with the program!

Ashley

From daviddod at buffalo.edu  Fri Jan 20 19:25:23 2012
From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:25:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
In-Reply-To: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC>
References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CAGiF6MFZMKysU1NRNdrZWgdpnLArkiUrYOgLFnOFFz8YcfdVpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ashley,
Have you worked with your state rehabilitation agency at all? Sometimes,
they are good at helping advocate for things such as these.

http://www.learningally.org/About-Us/19/ this is a good website that you
can show people in your DSO that has audiobooks - if those are helpful to
you.

You may wish to ask who your ADA overseer is on campus. They may be able to
help you discern what, if anything, that the school is doing goes against
ADA regulations.

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Ashley Bramlett
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the
> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps.
> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
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From jeffanel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 19:28:27 2012
From: jeffanel at gmail.com (jeff crouch)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:28:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
In-Reply-To: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC>
References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CA+N-3k30_n=7JvC3s2YNBQt+dBC=SAONy3O2UhKRDdH+Vd_WyQ@mail.gmail.com>

To Ashley, My school is not in complience with the ada, We have
braille signage but there is no raised characters, Some of the rooms
don't even have braille signs, and if they do, 2 classrooms are
labeled rong in braille. About the web sites yeah, my schools black
board program site is inaccessible, i can't even upload anything to
the teachers, or do my e-d-p at that. hope you all have a good day.

with love

73
kd8qiq
jeff crouch

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re the
> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the
> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps.
> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need lots
> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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-- 
73
kd8qiq
jeff crouch


From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 19:30:19 2012
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:30:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <E5659AB4430B479A9890E19DCB9B86C7@Espy>

Sorry to hear you're experiencing so much difficulty with accommodations. I 
sympathize with you because I've been there. I also had a family memmber 
read the book to me when I didn't receive it on time. ANother option you 
might speak to the DSO  about is having one of the people (if they have 
students who are on work study working there) read the text on a digital 
recorder  according to your syllabus. So that way you'd get it in 
installments but you'd get it on time. As far as the layout of your 
building, I'd suggest talking to an o&m instructor.
Sincerely,
Hope Paulos
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 2:14 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating


> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re 
> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five 
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured 
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring 
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am 
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read 
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us 
> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor 
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the 
> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the 
> thing around!
> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need 
> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it 
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille 
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and 
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA 
> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind 
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its 
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too. 
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan 20 19:52:41 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:52:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC>
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That's sad!
My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it won't
say who the instructor is.
The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, either.
It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors may
use the same room.
They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead of "Classroom."
I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re the
> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the
> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps.
> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need lots
> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 20:06:03 2012
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:06:03 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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	<CAO83KOudpg2t9behs5aBkpZe5Kh3njATaiX9D-kT1MYqS_PHPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59457B3A26594FDEBCD001D9CDDF123E@HUMBERTOAVILA>

Hello Ashley and all:

This is so awful. I think these experiences are and can always occur
anywhere in this nation with blind students going to college. I'm not sure
if this could be possible but whenever someone has those sad and bad
inaccessible experiences in college, they should:
1.  talk to the DSS director or dean of students,  and if not working,
2.  they should bring in the VR counselor with the DSS people at the college
and discuss these issues, and if that doesn't work,
3.  bring in an advocate at the state or local level government who can
explain the ADA and tell them how they are not providing the information and
services to a blind student(s) that should be provided by law, and if that
does not work,
4.  bring in an advocate from the National Federation of the Blind who can
really chew their butt! Like maybe, the state or chapter president and/or
maybe even more powerful, a national advocate. And if applicable, if the
school is still not doing the job, he can sue the school on behalf of the
NFB. 

Just my idea on this. But, in the end, we must stop colleges and
universities from not providing the services like accessible textbooks and
web sites and even well brailled classroom doors. This is completely nuts.
If we want change, we must take action now.



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:53 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

That's sad!
My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it won't
say who the instructor is.
The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, either.
It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors may
use the same room.
They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead of
"Classroom."
I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn't seem very accomodating and they're
the
> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I'm just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one's hiring
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won't give us
the
> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
steps.
> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
around!
> They tell us they don't have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
lots
> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
> compliant. I don't know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they've been there a lot since its
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan 20 20:11:26 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:11:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
In-Reply-To: <59457B3A26594FDEBCD001D9CDDF123E@HUMBERTOAVILA>
References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOudpg2t9behs5aBkpZe5Kh3njATaiX9D-kT1MYqS_PHPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<59457B3A26594FDEBCD001D9CDDF123E@HUMBERTOAVILA>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOuiQ83YFGnCV3piDrd79Y=po9N4gZPMgNNkyp2MQ4njiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well said, Humberto!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Ashley and all:
>
> This is so awful. I think these experiences are and can always occur
> anywhere in this nation with blind students going to college. I'm not sure
> if this could be possible but whenever someone has those sad and bad
> inaccessible experiences in college, they should:
> 1.  talk to the DSS director or dean of students,  and if not working,
> 2.  they should bring in the VR counselor with the DSS people at the college
> and discuss these issues, and if that doesn't work,
> 3.  bring in an advocate at the state or local level government who can
> explain the ADA and tell them how they are not providing the information and
> services to a blind student(s) that should be provided by law, and if that
> does not work,
> 4.  bring in an advocate from the National Federation of the Blind who can
> really chew their butt! Like maybe, the state or chapter president and/or
> maybe even more powerful, a national advocate. And if applicable, if the
> school is still not doing the job, he can sue the school on behalf of the
> NFB.
>
> Just my idea on this. But, in the end, we must stop colleges and
> universities from not providing the services like accessible textbooks and
> web sites and even well brailled classroom doors. This is completely nuts.
> If we want change, we must take action now.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:53 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
> That's sad!
> My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
> The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it won't
> say who the instructor is.
> The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, either.
> It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
> The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors may
> use the same room.
> They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead of
> "Classroom."
> I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn't seem very accomodating and they're
> the
>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>
>> I'm just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one's hiring
>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won't give us
> the
>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
> steps.
>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
> around!
>> They tell us they don't have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
> lots
>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>> tests!
>>
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
>> compliant. I don't know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they've been there a lot since its
>> not laid out well.
>>
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 20:25:11 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:25:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <DDA7D454212B4B4B98B9E8B7B894C0AB@Gloria>

Hi,
I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a friend 
in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the school not 
being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got worked 
on
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating


> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re 
> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five 
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured 
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring 
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am 
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read 
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us 
> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor 
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the 
> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the 
> thing around!
> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need 
> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it 
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille 
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and 
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA 
> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind 
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its 
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too. 
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 20 20:44:31 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:44:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
In-Reply-To: <59457B3A26594FDEBCD001D9CDDF123E@HUMBERTOAVILA>
References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC><CAO83KOudpg2t9behs5aBkpZe5Kh3njATaiX9D-kT1MYqS_PHPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<59457B3A26594FDEBCD001D9CDDF123E@HUMBERTOAVILA>
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Humberton,
Rehab is a joke; remember I'm a continuing ed student; so my rehab counselor 
is  concerned about getting me a job with a bachelors degree; she won't go 
to meetings with the school; not sure that is a good idea. I mean rehab 
doesn't follow their own regulations of informed choice; that is why they
fight with consumers about services.

Now, I do want to bring in an advocate; my state president of nfb is busy 
and travels a lot. So I might try a local advocate first. I think I'll ask 
my local independent living center to help. The centers for independent 
living deal with all people with disabilities. Also I might contact my state 
reps in richmond.
Chap peterson has been to nfb meetings here so he might be willing to help 
even though he represents the next district over. Yes I will definitely 
contact my state officials.

As for braille signs. Um oh my, you got me started. While we do have braille 
numbers, other important info is not in braille. The professor's nname is 
not brailled! I remember waiting over ten minutes for my professor who ran 
late due to parking issues. Someone finally came along and read me the phone 
number on the door! Then I called her. Then she showed up three minutes 
later and appoligized for being late. Well, I read her name since I have 
vision and confirmed I was indeed in the right place! But it wasn't easy. 
They could have at least put contrasting letters there for low vision 
students!
Same with other signs. Uh, gray letters on dark background isn't good for 
low vision people.

Ashley



-----Original Message----- 
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:06 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Hello Ashley and all:

This is so awful. I think these experiences are and can always occur
anywhere in this nation with blind students going to college. I'm not sure
if this could be possible but whenever someone has those sad and bad
inaccessible experiences in college, they should:
1.  talk to the DSS director or dean of students,  and if not working,
2.  they should bring in the VR counselor with the DSS people at the college
and discuss these issues, and if that doesn't work,
3.  bring in an advocate at the state or local level government who can
explain the ADA and tell them how they are not providing the information and
services to a blind student(s) that should be provided by law, and if that
does not work,
4.  bring in an advocate from the National Federation of the Blind who can
really chew their butt! Like maybe, the state or chapter president and/or
maybe even more powerful, a national advocate. And if applicable, if the
school is still not doing the job, he can sue the school on behalf of the
NFB.

Just my idea on this. But, in the end, we must stop colleges and
universities from not providing the services like accessible textbooks and
web sites and even well brailled classroom doors. This is completely nuts.
If we want change, we must take action now.



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:53 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

That's sad!
My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it won't
say who the instructor is.
The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, either.
It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors may
use the same room.
They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead of
"Classroom."
I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn't seem very accomodating and they're
the
> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I'm just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one's hiring
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won't give us
the
> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
steps.
> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
around!
> They tell us they don't have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
lots
> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
> compliant. I don't know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they've been there a lot since its
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 20 20:45:33 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:45:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
In-Reply-To: <DDA7D454212B4B4B98B9E8B7B894C0AB@Gloria>
References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC>
	<DDA7D454212B4B4B98B9E8B7B894C0AB@Gloria>
Message-ID: <9C0A33D69A8949C0B2DC0823B845D2FD@OwnerPC>

I already talked to the coordinator for students with disabilities campus 
wide about signage and perhaps making a braille map. nothing was done.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gloria G
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

Hi,
I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a friend
in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the school not
being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got worked
on
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating


> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re 
> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five 
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured 
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring 
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am 
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read 
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us 
> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor 
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the 
> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the 
> thing around!
> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need 
> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it 
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille 
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and 
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA 
> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind 
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its 
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too. 
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
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From jeffanel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 20:46:48 2012
From: jeffanel at gmail.com (jeff crouch)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:46:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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Well i wish it was just as easy to talk to the school, but in flint MI
money is so so tite, and the sad thing is that they have all the money
to fix the parking lot and the roof, but they can't even comply with
the braille signage, i mean there almost 22 years late, it would be
like turning in a asignment almost 22 years late, and you would get a
grade of an (e), if my school was graded on the accessibility, they
would fail hands down. I am trying to get this problem resolved,
because were getting some new 7th graders in and for peet sake, how
are they going to find there classes, and one of the men's bathroom
signs are 6 feet or more above the ground. This is out raging. Sorry
to vent like this, but this is something that need's to be taken care
of.

thanks all

with love
jeff crouch

On 1/20/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a friend
> in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the school not
> being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got worked
> on
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>
>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring
>>
>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>> thing around!
>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>> tests!
>>
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
>>
>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its
>>
>> not laid out well.
>>
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
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jeff crouch


From jeffanel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 20:51:41 2012
From: jeffanel at gmail.com (jeff crouch)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:51:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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then you need to keep on them, if you keep on them, they will have to
do something

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I already talked to the coordinator for students with disabilities campus
> wide about signage and perhaps making a braille map. nothing was done.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gloria G
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
> Hi,
> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a friend
> in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the school not
> being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got worked
> on
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>
>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring
>>
>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>> thing around!
>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>> tests!
>>
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
>>
>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its
>>
>> not laid out well.
>>
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
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kd8qiq
jeff crouch


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan 20 20:53:53 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:53:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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Wow!
Jeff, you need to attend school, in DeWitt, Arkansas!
At least my high school was more accomidating!Blessings, Joshua
Blessings, Joshua
On 1/20/12, jeff crouch <jeffanel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well i wish it was just as easy to talk to the school, but in flint MI
> money is so so tite, and the sad thing is that they have all the money
> to fix the parking lot and the roof, but they can't even comply with
> the braille signage, i mean there almost 22 years late, it would be
> like turning in a asignment almost 22 years late, and you would get a
> grade of an (e), if my school was graded on the accessibility, they
> would fail hands down. I am trying to get this problem resolved,
> because were getting some new 7th graders in and for peet sake, how
> are they going to find there classes, and one of the men's bathroom
> signs are 6 feet or more above the ground. This is out raging. Sorry
> to vent like this, but this is something that need's to be taken care
> of.
>
> thanks all
>
> with love
> jeff crouch
>
> On 1/20/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>> friend
>> in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the school not
>> being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got
>> worked
>> on
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>
>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>> hiring
>>>
>>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>
>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>
>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>>> thing around!
>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>> lab?
>>>
>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>>> tests!
>>>
>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>> ADA
>>>
>>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>> its
>>>
>>> not laid out well.
>>>
>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan 20 20:57:50 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:57:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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Our college is small, so different instructors may use the same room,
so putting the professor's name on the door, isn't an option.
Instead of "Classroom," or "Office," it should have the room number, in Braille.
The number is there, in print, so why not in Braille?
Instead of "Classroom," it should say this.
"B104," "C105," etc.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Humberton,
> Rehab is a joke; remember I'm a continuing ed student; so my rehab counselor
> is  concerned about getting me a job with a bachelors degree; she won't go
> to meetings with the school; not sure that is a good idea. I mean rehab
> doesn't follow their own regulations of informed choice; that is why they
> fight with consumers about services.
>
> Now, I do want to bring in an advocate; my state president of nfb is busy
> and travels a lot. So I might try a local advocate first. I think I'll ask
> my local independent living center to help. The centers for independent
> living deal with all people with disabilities. Also I might contact my state
> reps in richmond.
> Chap peterson has been to nfb meetings here so he might be willing to help
> even though he represents the next district over. Yes I will definitely
> contact my state officials.
>
> As for braille signs. Um oh my, you got me started. While we do have braille
> numbers, other important info is not in braille. The professor's nname is
> not brailled! I remember waiting over ten minutes for my professor who ran
> late due to parking issues. Someone finally came along and read me the phone
> number on the door! Then I called her. Then she showed up three minutes
> later and appoligized for being late. Well, I read her name since I have
> vision and confirmed I was indeed in the right place! But it wasn't easy.
> They could have at least put contrasting letters there for low vision
> students!
> Same with other signs. Uh, gray letters on dark background isn't good for
> low vision people.
>
> Ashley
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Humberto Avila
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:06 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> Hello Ashley and all:
>
> This is so awful. I think these experiences are and can always occur
> anywhere in this nation with blind students going to college. I'm not sure
> if this could be possible but whenever someone has those sad and bad
> inaccessible experiences in college, they should:
> 1.  talk to the DSS director or dean of students,  and if not working,
> 2.  they should bring in the VR counselor with the DSS people at the college
> and discuss these issues, and if that doesn't work,
> 3.  bring in an advocate at the state or local level government who can
> explain the ADA and tell them how they are not providing the information and
> services to a blind student(s) that should be provided by law, and if that
> does not work,
> 4.  bring in an advocate from the National Federation of the Blind who can
> really chew their butt! Like maybe, the state or chapter president and/or
> maybe even more powerful, a national advocate. And if applicable, if the
> school is still not doing the job, he can sue the school on behalf of the
> NFB.
>
> Just my idea on this. But, in the end, we must stop colleges and
> universities from not providing the services like accessible textbooks and
> web sites and even well brailled classroom doors. This is completely nuts.
> If we want change, we must take action now.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:53 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
> That's sad!
> My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
> The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it won't
> say who the instructor is.
> The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, either.
> It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
> The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors may
> use the same room.
> They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead of
> "Classroom."
> I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn't seem very accomodating and they're
> the
>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>
>> I'm just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one's hiring
>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won't give us
> the
>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
> steps.
>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
> around!
>> They tell us they don't have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
> lots
>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>> tests!
>>
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
>> compliant. I don't know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they've been there a lot since its
>> not laid out well.
>>
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
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From daviddod at buffalo.edu  Fri Jan 20 21:12:50 2012
From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:12:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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You could speak with your campus President or Vice President or a Dean.

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
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On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Ashley Bramlett
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:

> I already talked to the coordinator for students with disabilities campus
> wide about signage and perhaps making a braille map. nothing was done.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
> Hi,
> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
> friend
> in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the school not
> being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got worked
> on
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
>
>  Hi all,
>>
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>
>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring
>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the
>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps.
>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>> tests!
>>
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its
>> not laid out well.
>>
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>
>> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 20 21:18:51 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:18:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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Hi,
Many professors use the same classroom, of course. But I was refering to the 
office itself. Most professors get an office assigned to them; some share 
with one other instructor; only adjunct instructors do not have their own 
office. Full time faculty do. So putting the professor's name would not be 
that hard.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:57 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Our college is small, so different instructors may use the same room,
so putting the professor's name on the door, isn't an option.
Instead of "Classroom," or "Office," it should have the room number, in 
Braille.
The number is there, in print, so why not in Braille?
Instead of "Classroom," it should say this.
"B104," "C105," etc.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Humberton,
> Rehab is a joke; remember I'm a continuing ed student; so my rehab 
> counselor
> is  concerned about getting me a job with a bachelors degree; she won't go
> to meetings with the school; not sure that is a good idea. I mean rehab
> doesn't follow their own regulations of informed choice; that is why they
> fight with consumers about services.
>
> Now, I do want to bring in an advocate; my state president of nfb is busy
> and travels a lot. So I might try a local advocate first. I think I'll ask
> my local independent living center to help. The centers for independent
> living deal with all people with disabilities. Also I might contact my 
> state
> reps in richmond.
> Chap peterson has been to nfb meetings here so he might be willing to help
> even though he represents the next district over. Yes I will definitely
> contact my state officials.
>
> As for braille signs. Um oh my, you got me started. While we do have 
> braille
> numbers, other important info is not in braille. The professor's nname is
> not brailled! I remember waiting over ten minutes for my professor who ran
> late due to parking issues. Someone finally came along and read me the 
> phone
> number on the door! Then I called her. Then she showed up three minutes
> later and appoligized for being late. Well, I read her name since I have
> vision and confirmed I was indeed in the right place! But it wasn't easy.
> They could have at least put contrasting letters there for low vision
> students!
> Same with other signs. Uh, gray letters on dark background isn't good for
> low vision people.
>
> Ashley
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Humberto Avila
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:06 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> Hello Ashley and all:
>
> This is so awful. I think these experiences are and can always occur
> anywhere in this nation with blind students going to college. I'm not sure
> if this could be possible but whenever someone has those sad and bad
> inaccessible experiences in college, they should:
> 1.  talk to the DSS director or dean of students,  and if not working,
> 2.  they should bring in the VR counselor with the DSS people at the 
> college
> and discuss these issues, and if that doesn't work,
> 3.  bring in an advocate at the state or local level government who can
> explain the ADA and tell them how they are not providing the information 
> and
> services to a blind student(s) that should be provided by law, and if that
> does not work,
> 4.  bring in an advocate from the National Federation of the Blind who can
> really chew their butt! Like maybe, the state or chapter president and/or
> maybe even more powerful, a national advocate. And if applicable, if the
> school is still not doing the job, he can sue the school on behalf of the
> NFB.
>
> Just my idea on this. But, in the end, we must stop colleges and
> universities from not providing the services like accessible textbooks and
> web sites and even well brailled classroom doors. This is completely nuts.
> If we want change, we must take action now.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:53 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
> That's sad!
> My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
> The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it won't
> say who the instructor is.
> The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, either.
> It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
> The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors may
> use the same room.
> They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead of
> "Classroom."
> I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn't seem very accomodating and they're
> the
>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>
>> I'm just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one's 
>> hiring
>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won't give us
> the
>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
> steps.
>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
> around!
>> They tell us they don't have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
> lots
>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>> tests!
>>
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not 
>> ADA
>> compliant. I don't know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they've been there a lot since 
>> its
>> not laid out well.
>>
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 21:20:58 2012
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:20:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more people to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to the problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers and let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a problem or come up with solutions. Good luck.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the school not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got worked on
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
> 
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>> 
>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>> 
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>> 
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>> 
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille tests!
>> 
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its not laid out well.
>> 
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too. Publishers need to get with the program!
>> 
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan 20 21:23:27 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:23:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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The offices shouldn't be a problem, and I agree there.
I just wish they'd put the room numbers, on the classrooms, in Braille.
The names of the employees, on their office doors, at my college
aren't Brailled, either, and that's also a problem.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> Many professors use the same classroom, of course. But I was refering to the
> office itself. Most professors get an office assigned to them; some share
> with one other instructor; only adjunct instructors do not have their own
> office. Full time faculty do. So putting the professor's name would not be
> that hard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:57 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> Our college is small, so different instructors may use the same room,
> so putting the professor's name on the door, isn't an option.
> Instead of "Classroom," or "Office," it should have the room number, in
> Braille.
> The number is there, in print, so why not in Braille?
> Instead of "Classroom," it should say this.
> "B104," "C105," etc.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Humberton,
>> Rehab is a joke; remember I'm a continuing ed student; so my rehab
>> counselor
>> is  concerned about getting me a job with a bachelors degree; she won't go
>> to meetings with the school; not sure that is a good idea. I mean rehab
>> doesn't follow their own regulations of informed choice; that is why they
>> fight with consumers about services.
>>
>> Now, I do want to bring in an advocate; my state president of nfb is busy
>> and travels a lot. So I might try a local advocate first. I think I'll ask
>> my local independent living center to help. The centers for independent
>> living deal with all people with disabilities. Also I might contact my
>> state
>> reps in richmond.
>> Chap peterson has been to nfb meetings here so he might be willing to help
>> even though he represents the next district over. Yes I will definitely
>> contact my state officials.
>>
>> As for braille signs. Um oh my, you got me started. While we do have
>> braille
>> numbers, other important info is not in braille. The professor's nname is
>> not brailled! I remember waiting over ten minutes for my professor who ran
>> late due to parking issues. Someone finally came along and read me the
>> phone
>> number on the door! Then I called her. Then she showed up three minutes
>> later and appoligized for being late. Well, I read her name since I have
>> vision and confirmed I was indeed in the right place! But it wasn't easy.
>> They could have at least put contrasting letters there for low vision
>> students!
>> Same with other signs. Uh, gray letters on dark background isn't good for
>> low vision people.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Humberto Avila
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:06 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>
>> Hello Ashley and all:
>>
>> This is so awful. I think these experiences are and can always occur
>> anywhere in this nation with blind students going to college. I'm not sure
>> if this could be possible but whenever someone has those sad and bad
>> inaccessible experiences in college, they should:
>> 1.  talk to the DSS director or dean of students,  and if not working,
>> 2.  they should bring in the VR counselor with the DSS people at the
>> college
>> and discuss these issues, and if that doesn't work,
>> 3.  bring in an advocate at the state or local level government who can
>> explain the ADA and tell them how they are not providing the information
>> and
>> services to a blind student(s) that should be provided by law, and if that
>> does not work,
>> 4.  bring in an advocate from the National Federation of the Blind who can
>> really chew their butt! Like maybe, the state or chapter president and/or
>> maybe even more powerful, a national advocate. And if applicable, if the
>> school is still not doing the job, he can sue the school on behalf of the
>> NFB.
>>
>> Just my idea on this. But, in the end, we must stop colleges and
>> universities from not providing the services like accessible textbooks and
>> web sites and even well brailled classroom doors. This is completely nuts.
>> If we want change, we must take action now.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:53 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>> That's sad!
>> My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
>> The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it won't
>> say who the instructor is.
>> The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, either.
>> It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
>> The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors may
>> use the same room.
>> They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead of
>> "Classroom."
>> I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn't seem very accomodating and they're
>> the
>>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>
>>> I'm just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one's
>>> hiring
>>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>
>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won't give us
>> the
>>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>
>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>> steps.
>>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>> around!
>>> They tell us they don't have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>> lots
>>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>>
>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>>> tests!
>>>
>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>> ADA
>>> compliant. I don't know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they've been there a lot since
>>> its
>>> not laid out well.
>>>
>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p
>> ccua.edu
>>>
>>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 20 21:25:54 2012
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:25:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The importance of public speaking training
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1327082416.21954.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP167A4A263E351946358B43DC4870@phx.gbl>

Jedi,

You're absolutely correct. Any group or organization attempting to gain
"converts," (smile( needs to have specific language when talking about
the benefits of training and why an organization like NFB is essential
in our society. Anyone somewhat familiar with psychology will know using
words like "we" and "I feel or believe," are key words to help remove
tension and personal emotions in a discussion. People don't want to feel
as though they are sitting through a lecture or being told they are
wrong and bad for not doing this or that. Whether we believe
whole-heartedly in something or not, we all reach certain understandings
in our own time. Like anything else, we can live by example, discuss the
benefits of training and nonvisual skills and how it's important blind
people be accepted as equals, hence the importance of organizations of
the blind, but ultimately, it is up to the individual to accept these
ideas or not. Pontificating wins no one over to causes and groups. Not
only do we have to persuade people, but we have to be very aware of how
we go about this persuasion. Jedi has brought this up before, but for
those of us with experience in public speaking, we know the importance
of including all individuals in a discussion, and being conscious how we
approach topics whether one-on-one or with a group. I think it would be
super beneficial for the Federation to create a team to devise specific
plans to be implemented for public speaking. This team could develop a
handbook of sorts detailing the best ways in which to approach certain
topics and how to be effective when speaking to the public. This team
could also work with affiliates on training people in the art of public
speaking. As we continue to push Federation initiatives and seek out new
members, public speaking will be, and is, a vital aspect, and we need to
be well prepared for such activities. This is why corporations and
organizations hire PR and media relations teams to help prepare PR
strategies which include public speaking, and many of these teams will
offer speech writers and public speaking specialist to help the group
prepare for speaking engagements. While interning with a PR firm last
summer, I worked on an account with a nonprofit in Nevada, and one of my
specific duties was to develop a public speaking handbook which included
key points to keep in mind when speaking in public and how to dress
during speaking engagements. I also drafted briefs for some clients in
our local school districts on certain legislation specific to issues
affecting students, and helped incorporate this information in speeches
used for school administrators when speaking during committee meetings
and with parents. Public speaking is vital to almost every group,
employer and organization out there. Being well prepared and knowing
what to do is essential in winning people over to a cause. To make this
a nation-wide effort within the Federation would be a good idea.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 7
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:49:05 -0500
From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of
	the	blind?
Message-ID: 19d4ebf7-e432-4c4c-af26-cf998989914b at samobile.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"

You know, it occurs to me that part of the "problem" (in quotes) that 
we're discussing has much to do with our "recruitment speech" (in 
quotes). I think it was Bridgit who felt that the P word scares people 
off. Maybe instead of talking about a philosophy of blindness, there's 
always the option of saying "I believe." For instance, I believe that 
the blind are as capable as anyone else. Or, I believe that training is 
a key component to functioning as a blind person in a sighted world. 
Or, I think that social definitions of blindness are a much bigger 
problem than actually not being able to see. These phrases should be 
familiar to you, but they're just worded differently.

And as to the issue of persuading people to get training, it's tricky. 
No one likes to hear that they have much to learn, and I don't care 
what the topic of conversation is. We all like to believe that we've 
got it together even if it's obvious to outsiders that we don't. I 
could really believe this to be especially the case when discussing an 
emotionally charged topic like adapting to vision loss. Not only would 
someone like not to hear that they haven't got it together, but they 
don't want to hear that they're blind enough to need such services to 
begin with. Now, legitimately, there are those who really don't need 
such services, but there are many more who would find them useful if 
they ever decided to try. So as a result of all this, I've taken to 
describing how blindness training has helped me if and when it seems 
appropriate. Most people can draw the line between their experience and 
mine. But at the very least, they realize that i'm talkiing about 
myself and not them, so it takes some of the pressure off. Another 
option is to just wait and let the individual identify issues they're 
having and talk about how blindness training helped you to overcome 
similar barriers. And then there's always the option of just waiting it 
out. Sure, some folks told me I needed training. But I think I really 
made that discovery for myself when I noticed that the totally blind 
Federationists around me could function in ways I could not and that 
the partially blind Federationists around me functioned no matter what 
they saw at any given point.

Respectfully,
Jedi



From jeffanel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 21:31:05 2012
From: jeffanel at gmail.com (jeff crouch)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:31:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
In-Reply-To: <BA6BFA79-22FE-446C-BC86-D5B651B1410A@gmail.com>
References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC>
	<DDA7D454212B4B4B98B9E8B7B894C0AB@Gloria>
	<BA6BFA79-22FE-446C-BC86-D5B651B1410A@gmail.com>
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yeah, oh, this is my first time on this bord, and i love it. Wow i am
more active on hear then i am on the nfbmi list. lol, i can't wait to
get to know you wonderful people, hey if you have skype feel free to
add me, my screen name is
magic2127

have a good day
with love
jeff crouch

On 1/20/12, Jonathan Franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more people
> to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to the
> problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers and
> let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a problem
> or come up with solutions. Good luck.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>> friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the school
>> not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got
>> worked on
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>
>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>> hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>
>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>
>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>>> thing around!
>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>> lab?
>>>
>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>>> tests!
>>>
>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>> ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>> its not laid out well.
>>>
>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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-- 
73
kd8qiq
jeff crouch


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan 20 21:34:50 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:34:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC>
	<DDA7D454212B4B4B98B9E8B7B894C0AB@Gloria>
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Welcome to this list!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, jeff crouch <jeffanel at gmail.com> wrote:
> yeah, oh, this is my first time on this bord, and i love it. Wow i am
> more active on hear then i am on the nfbmi list. lol, i can't wait to
> get to know you wonderful people, hey if you have skype feel free to
> add me, my screen name is
> magic2127
>
> have a good day
> with love
> jeff crouch
>
> On 1/20/12, Jonathan Franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more
>> people
>> to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to the
>> problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers and
>> let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a problem
>> or come up with solutions. Good luck.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>>> friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the
>>> school
>>> not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got
>>> worked on
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>
>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>> hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>
>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>
>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>>>> thing around!
>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>>> lab?
>>>>
>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>>>> tests!
>>>>
>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>> ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>> its not laid out well.
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>
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> kd8qiq
> jeff crouch
>
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From ngtapop925 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 20 22:13:39 2012
From: ngtapop925 at hotmail.com (Tuan Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:13:39 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Geochemistry Textbook in Braille for Donation
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W5946E62C9BA997DECAF286829A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W5946E62C9BA997DECAF286829A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU160-W140C224B532360CAF7FFD482870@phx.gbl>


Hi everyone, 
I have a well-preserved, college-level introductory geochemistry in braille for junior-level student who is currenly studying or is planning to pursue the study in geochemistry and/or in the area of geosciences.  The book is very complete with all twenty-one chapters and with all appendices, as well as with beautiful tactile graphics.  Because the book is rare, is hard to find in braille, and is currently out of print, keeping in mind that I only donate this book to an individual who is providing specific reasons to obtain the material for the above mentioned area of study.  Here's the book's information: Title: Introduction to Geochemistry, Third Edition; Authors: Konrad Bates Krauskoph and ennis K. Bird; Publisher: McGraw-Hill, Reprinted 2006.  If interested or any questions, please email me at: ngtapop925 at hotmail.com.
Best Regards,
Tuan
 		 	   		  

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 20 22:27:55 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:27:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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Yes, I will go to the vice president. The dean, well they are nice, but 
don't know if they would get anything done. Worth a try though. I ran into 
the dean of administration who used to be dean of english when I was on my 
way to the I t professor's office. She agreed with me that they should 
install jaws up in the instructor's office. I t wasn't me who started the 
conversation; it was my professor and the dean of administration and the 
assistant dean of the business department stood there. That is because the 
dean and assistant dean's offices are near my professor's office. Anyway, I 
think all in the room agreed we were being reasonable. So, yep I could talk 
to them and maybe they can talk to the office which ordered jaws and get 
more licenses.

I already have a rapport with this dean of administration since she was dean 
of english.
So maybe.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: David Dodge
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:12 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

You could speak with your campus President or Vice President or a Dean.

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Ashley Bramlett
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:

> I already talked to the coordinator for students with disabilities campus
> wide about signage and perhaps making a braille map. nothing was done.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
> Hi,
> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
> friend
> in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the school not
> being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got 
> worked
> on
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
>
>  Hi all,
>>
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>
>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s 
>> hiring
>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us 
>> the
>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the 
>> steps.
>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing 
>> around!
>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom 
>> lab?
>>
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>> tests!
>>
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not 
>> ADA
>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since 
>> its
>> not laid out well.
>>
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>
>> Ashley
>> ______________________________**_________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 20 22:29:48 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:29:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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IMO  they should braille the names of employees including professors. But 
that is the least of my problems.
The school does not scan books; they do not have a bookshare membership. 
They do not belong to access text, a database for schools to share books.

Gee.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

The offices shouldn't be a problem, and I agree there.
I just wish they'd put the room numbers, on the classrooms, in Braille.
The names of the employees, on their office doors, at my college
aren't Brailled, either, and that's also a problem.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> Many professors use the same classroom, of course. But I was refering to 
> the
> office itself. Most professors get an office assigned to them; some share
> with one other instructor; only adjunct instructors do not have their own
> office. Full time faculty do. So putting the professor's name would not be
> that hard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:57 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> Our college is small, so different instructors may use the same room,
> so putting the professor's name on the door, isn't an option.
> Instead of "Classroom," or "Office," it should have the room number, in
> Braille.
> The number is there, in print, so why not in Braille?
> Instead of "Classroom," it should say this.
> "B104," "C105," etc.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Humberton,
>> Rehab is a joke; remember I'm a continuing ed student; so my rehab
>> counselor
>> is  concerned about getting me a job with a bachelors degree; she won't 
>> go
>> to meetings with the school; not sure that is a good idea. I mean rehab
>> doesn't follow their own regulations of informed choice; that is why they
>> fight with consumers about services.
>>
>> Now, I do want to bring in an advocate; my state president of nfb is busy
>> and travels a lot. So I might try a local advocate first. I think I'll 
>> ask
>> my local independent living center to help. The centers for independent
>> living deal with all people with disabilities. Also I might contact my
>> state
>> reps in richmond.
>> Chap peterson has been to nfb meetings here so he might be willing to 
>> help
>> even though he represents the next district over. Yes I will definitely
>> contact my state officials.
>>
>> As for braille signs. Um oh my, you got me started. While we do have
>> braille
>> numbers, other important info is not in braille. The professor's nname is
>> not brailled! I remember waiting over ten minutes for my professor who 
>> ran
>> late due to parking issues. Someone finally came along and read me the
>> phone
>> number on the door! Then I called her. Then she showed up three minutes
>> later and appoligized for being late. Well, I read her name since I have
>> vision and confirmed I was indeed in the right place! But it wasn't easy.
>> They could have at least put contrasting letters there for low vision
>> students!
>> Same with other signs. Uh, gray letters on dark background isn't good for
>> low vision people.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Humberto Avila
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:06 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>
>> Hello Ashley and all:
>>
>> This is so awful. I think these experiences are and can always occur
>> anywhere in this nation with blind students going to college. I'm not 
>> sure
>> if this could be possible but whenever someone has those sad and bad
>> inaccessible experiences in college, they should:
>> 1.  talk to the DSS director or dean of students,  and if not working,
>> 2.  they should bring in the VR counselor with the DSS people at the
>> college
>> and discuss these issues, and if that doesn't work,
>> 3.  bring in an advocate at the state or local level government who can
>> explain the ADA and tell them how they are not providing the information
>> and
>> services to a blind student(s) that should be provided by law, and if 
>> that
>> does not work,
>> 4.  bring in an advocate from the National Federation of the Blind who 
>> can
>> really chew their butt! Like maybe, the state or chapter president and/or
>> maybe even more powerful, a national advocate. And if applicable, if the
>> school is still not doing the job, he can sue the school on behalf of the
>> NFB.
>>
>> Just my idea on this. But, in the end, we must stop colleges and
>> universities from not providing the services like accessible textbooks 
>> and
>> web sites and even well brailled classroom doors. This is completely 
>> nuts.
>> If we want change, we must take action now.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:53 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>> That's sad!
>> My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
>> The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it won't
>> say who the instructor is.
>> The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, either.
>> It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
>> The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors may
>> use the same room.
>> They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead of
>> "Classroom."
>> I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn't seem very accomodating and they're
>> the
>>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>
>>> I'm just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one's
>>> hiring
>>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>
>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won't give us
>> the
>>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>
>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>> steps.
>>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>> around!
>>> They tell us they don't have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>> lots
>>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>>
>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>>> tests!
>>>
>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>> ADA
>>> compliant. I don't know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they've been there a lot since
>>> its
>>> not laid out well.
>>>
>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 20 22:34:45 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:34:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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Jeff,
You have more rights if you are in middle or high school, which I think you 
are! Under the Individuals with disabilities education Act, idea, you have a 
right to a free and appropriate education.
And your parents should advocate for braille signs and whatever 
accomodations are needed.


-----Original Message----- 
From: jeff crouch
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:31 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

yeah, oh, this is my first time on this bord, and i love it. Wow i am
more active on hear then i am on the nfbmi list. lol, i can't wait to
get to know you wonderful people, hey if you have skype feel free to
add me, my screen name is
magic2127

have a good day
with love
jeff crouch

On 1/20/12, Jonathan Franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more 
> people
> to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to the
> problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers and
> let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a problem
> or come up with solutions. Good luck.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>> friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the 
>> school
>> not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got
>> worked on
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>
>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>> hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>
>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>
>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>>> thing around!
>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>> lab?
>>>
>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>>> tests!
>>>
>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>> ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>> its not laid out well.
>>>
>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com
>>
>>
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From jeffanel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 22:58:08 2012
From: jeffanel at gmail.com (jeff crouch)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:58:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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yes, i am in 8th grade. I am very formiller with the ada and the idea.
I like studying stuff like this.

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Jeff,
> You have more rights if you are in middle or high school, which I think you
> are! Under the Individuals with disabilities education Act, idea, you have a
> right to a free and appropriate education.
> And your parents should advocate for braille signs and whatever
> accomodations are needed.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeff crouch
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:31 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
> yeah, oh, this is my first time on this bord, and i love it. Wow i am
> more active on hear then i am on the nfbmi list. lol, i can't wait to
> get to know you wonderful people, hey if you have skype feel free to
> add me, my screen name is
> magic2127
>
> have a good day
> with love
> jeff crouch
>
> On 1/20/12, Jonathan Franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more
>> people
>> to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to the
>> problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers and
>> let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a problem
>> or come up with solutions. Good luck.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>>> friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the
>>> school
>>> not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got
>>> worked on
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>
>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>> hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>
>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>
>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>>>> thing around!
>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>>> lab?
>>>>
>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>>>> tests!
>>>>
>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>> ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>> its not laid out well.
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>
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> kd8qiq
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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Fri Jan 20 23:00:44 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:00:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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Hello Ashley and everyone,

    How about your chapter or VABS President. I'd use these folks over 
someone who may know little or nothing about accommodating blind students. 
Perhaps your state president can assign your situation to another board 
member if he cannot take it on himself. Did you contact him about these 
issues? Don't write these individuals off just because you think they're too 
busy or not interested in helping you. Hope you can get things worked out.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating


Humberton,
Rehab is a joke; remember I'm a continuing ed student; so my rehab counselor
is  concerned about getting me a job with a bachelors degree; she won't go
to meetings with the school; not sure that is a good idea. I mean rehab
doesn't follow their own regulations of informed choice; that is why they
fight with consumers about services.

Now, I do want to bring in an advocate; my state president of nfb is busy
and travels a lot. So I might try a local advocate first. I think I'll ask
my local independent living center to help. The centers for independent
living deal with all people with disabilities. Also I might contact my state
reps in richmond.
Chap peterson has been to nfb meetings here so he might be willing to help
even though he represents the next district over. Yes I will definitely
contact my state officials.

As for braille signs. Um oh my, you got me started. While we do have braille
numbers, other important info is not in braille. The professor's nname is
not brailled! I remember waiting over ten minutes for my professor who ran
late due to parking issues. Someone finally came along and read me the phone
number on the door! Then I called her. Then she showed up three minutes
later and appoligized for being late. Well, I read her name since I have
vision and confirmed I was indeed in the right place! But it wasn't easy.
They could have at least put contrasting letters there for low vision
students!
Same with other signs. Uh, gray letters on dark background isn't good for
low vision people.

Ashley



-----Original Message----- 
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:06 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Hello Ashley and all:

This is so awful. I think these experiences are and can always occur
anywhere in this nation with blind students going to college. I'm not sure
if this could be possible but whenever someone has those sad and bad
inaccessible experiences in college, they should:
1.  talk to the DSS director or dean of students,  and if not working,
2.  they should bring in the VR counselor with the DSS people at the college
and discuss these issues, and if that doesn't work,
3.  bring in an advocate at the state or local level government who can
explain the ADA and tell them how they are not providing the information and
services to a blind student(s) that should be provided by law, and if that
does not work,
4.  bring in an advocate from the National Federation of the Blind who can
really chew their butt! Like maybe, the state or chapter president and/or
maybe even more powerful, a national advocate. And if applicable, if the
school is still not doing the job, he can sue the school on behalf of the
NFB.

Just my idea on this. But, in the end, we must stop colleges and
universities from not providing the services like accessible textbooks and
web sites and even well brailled classroom doors. This is completely nuts.
If we want change, we must take action now.



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:53 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

That's sad!
My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it won't
say who the instructor is.
The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, either.
It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors may
use the same room.
They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead of
"Classroom."
I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn't seem very accomodating and they're
the
> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I'm just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one's hiring
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won't give us
the
> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
steps.
> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
around!
> They tell us they don't have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
lots
> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
> compliant. I don't know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they've been there a lot since its
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 23:09:54 2012
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:09:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice Requested
References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC><DDA7D454212B4B4B98B9E8B7B894C0AB@Gloria><BA6BFA79-22FE-446C-BC86-D5B651B1410A@gmail.com><CA+N-3k3pdOd-ZP1mwB3iLx-tXsE3Y8LHeJ-YummiFVKFNJZakw@mail.gmail.com><8C7136083DE84B16993875ADF5C32640@OwnerPC>
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Message-ID: <9C3BFDC2D0BC4CDBB380EA0F65702934@cadiganpc>

Hi all,



I have a couple questions about the less glamorous aspects of guide dog 
ownership.



As you may or may not know I recently received a guide dog. As every guide 
dog handler knows, it is important to pick up after your dog. I am doing 
this as best I can; however, sometimes there is a “skid mark” of solid waist 
left behind on the concrete witch is impossible to remove.



The school office of disability services is giving me a hard time about my 
dogs parking. The school says that I am not doing a good enough job picking 
up the solid waist. The Office of disability services is claiming I am in 
violation of the service animal policy. I am no lawyer, but I don’t think 
there service animal policy is legally defensible. It seams to conflict with 
the ADA, the FHA and the rehabilitation act. According to the school, the 
skid marks ground into the concrete when I pick up after my dog are causing 
a problem. They claimed that I am not completely picking up after my dog. 
Suggestions, thoughts, concerns?



Also, I haven’t licensed my dog yet, I have only had him for less than 3 
weeks, and the training is not over yet, however, I have a couple of 
questions about dog licensing in the state of Massachusetts.



1, is it really necessary?

2, what county do I register him in? I live in Plymouth County, but go to 
school and spend most of my time in Suffolk County



Thanks,

Mark



From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 23:17:53 2012
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:17:53 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice Requested
In-Reply-To: <9C3BFDC2D0BC4CDBB380EA0F65702934@cadiganpc>
References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC><DDA7D454212B4B4B98B9E8B7B894C0AB@Gloria><BA6BFA79-22FE-446C-BC86-D5B651B1410A@gmail.com><CA+N-3k3pdOd-ZP1mwB3iLx-tXsE3Y8LHeJ-YummiFVKFNJZakw@mail.gmail.com><8C7136083DE84B16993875ADF5C32640@OwnerPC><CA+N-3k3xZVzj0rV6DF4DTrg2ZCP+weWE55=Gh1yjm8TtdbpsLA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello mark,

You might as well ask those questions and address these concerns in the NFB
listserve for guide dog users. You can subscribe to that list by either
going to http://www.nfbNet.org, or by sending a blank email message
containing only the subject "Subscribe" to this e-mail address:
nagdu-request at nfbNet.org.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mark J. Cadigan
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice Requested

Hi all,



I have a couple questions about the less glamorous aspects of guide dog 
ownership.



As you may or may not know I recently received a guide dog. As every guide 
dog handler knows, it is important to pick up after your dog. I am doing 
this as best I can; however, sometimes there is a "skid mark" of solid waist

left behind on the concrete witch is impossible to remove.



The school office of disability services is giving me a hard time about my 
dogs parking. The school says that I am not doing a good enough job picking 
up the solid waist. The Office of disability services is claiming I am in 
violation of the service animal policy. I am no lawyer, but I don't think 
there service animal policy is legally defensible. It seams to conflict with

the ADA, the FHA and the rehabilitation act. According to the school, the 
skid marks ground into the concrete when I pick up after my dog are causing 
a problem. They claimed that I am not completely picking up after my dog. 
Suggestions, thoughts, concerns?



Also, I haven't licensed my dog yet, I have only had him for less than 3 
weeks, and the training is not over yet, however, I have a couple of 
questions about dog licensing in the state of Massachusetts.



1, is it really necessary?

2, what county do I register him in? I live in Plymouth County, but go to 
school and spend most of my time in Suffolk County



Thanks,

Mark


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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 23:35:30 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:35:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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	<DDA7D454212B4B4B98B9E8B7B894C0AB@Gloria>
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	<8C7136083DE84B16993875ADF5C32640@OwnerPC>
	<CA+N-3k3xZVzj0rV6DF4DTrg2ZCP+weWE55=Gh1yjm8TtdbpsLA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Ashley,
I understand your situation at school is frustrating, but I'm not sure
that the school is actually in violation of any ADA mandates. Schools
aren't necessarily required to have a DSO at all, much less purchase a
scanner and Braille embosser. And while your building's layout may be
very annoying to try and navigate, it's not inaccessible to you as a
blind person. I'm not sure the ADA says anything about making
buildings accessible to the blind except perhaps to put Braille
signage on elevators. I don't know if Braille is required on doors.
I think your first priority should probably be finding a more reliable
way to get access to your books and exams. As for the JAWS issue, can
you install your copy of JAWS as a demo on your school computer
instead of asking them to buy another license? Or you can get a
netbook, which is a very lightweight laptop, for $400 or less.
You might see if the DSO will help you find a reader to read your
texts or if there is a scanner anywhere on campus, like in the library
or student services building, if DSO doesn't have one. If not, you can
advertise for readers in your classes, which I know you already have
experience with.
As for getting around the building, if you can walk through it a few
times with a reader, friend, or O&M and just learn to get to a few
locations within the building you will probably have an easier time.
You don't need to learn the whole building; just the location of the
places you need to go frequently.
I agree that the inaccessible website and CD's are a problem, but it
sounds like that's the fault of the publisher, not the fault of the
school, right?
Arielle

On 1/20/12, jeff crouch <jeffanel at gmail.com> wrote:
> yes, i am in 8th grade. I am very formiller with the ada and the idea.
> I like studying stuff like this.
>
> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Jeff,
>> You have more rights if you are in middle or high school, which I think
>> you
>> are! Under the Individuals with disabilities education Act, idea, you have
>> a
>> right to a free and appropriate education.
>> And your parents should advocate for braille signs and whatever
>> accomodations are needed.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jeff crouch
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:31 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>> yeah, oh, this is my first time on this bord, and i love it. Wow i am
>> more active on hear then i am on the nfbmi list. lol, i can't wait to
>> get to know you wonderful people, hey if you have skype feel free to
>> add me, my screen name is
>> magic2127
>>
>> have a good day
>> with love
>> jeff crouch
>>
>> On 1/20/12, Jonathan Franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more
>>> people
>>> to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to the
>>> problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers
>>> and
>>> let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a
>>> problem
>>> or come up with solutions. Good luck.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>>>> friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the
>>>> school
>>>> not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got
>>>> worked on
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over
>>>>> five
>>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
>>>>> figured
>>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>>> hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can
>>>>> read
>>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>>>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>>>>> thing around!
>>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>>>> lab?
>>>>>
>>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get
>>>>> it
>>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
>>>>> braille
>>>>> tests!
>>>>>
>>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>>> ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>>> its not laid out well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> 73
>> kd8qiq
>> jeff crouch
>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 23:56:09 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:56:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC><DDA7D454212B4B4B98B9E8B7B894C0AB@Gloria><BA6BFA79-22FE-446C-BC86-D5B651B1410A@gmail.com><CA+N-3k3pdOd-ZP1mwB3iLx-tXsE3Y8LHeJ-YummiFVKFNJZakw@mail.gmail.com><8C7136083DE84B16993875ADF5C32640@OwnerPC><CA+N-3k3xZVzj0rV6DF4DTrg2ZCP+weWE55=Gh1yjm8TtdbpsLA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,
This is also interesting for me to hear because I had the idea that is was 
law that the buildings or the room numbers had to be brailled
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating


Hi Ashley,
I understand your situation at school is frustrating, but I'm not sure
that the school is actually in violation of any ADA mandates. Schools
aren't necessarily required to have a DSO at all, much less purchase a
scanner and Braille embosser. And while your building's layout may be
very annoying to try and navigate, it's not inaccessible to you as a
blind person. I'm not sure the ADA says anything about making
buildings accessible to the blind except perhaps to put Braille
signage on elevators. I don't know if Braille is required on doors.
I think your first priority should probably be finding a more reliable
way to get access to your books and exams. As for the JAWS issue, can
you install your copy of JAWS as a demo on your school computer
instead of asking them to buy another license? Or you can get a
netbook, which is a very lightweight laptop, for $400 or less.
You might see if the DSO will help you find a reader to read your
texts or if there is a scanner anywhere on campus, like in the library
or student services building, if DSO doesn't have one. If not, you can
advertise for readers in your classes, which I know you already have
experience with.
As for getting around the building, if you can walk through it a few
times with a reader, friend, or O&M and just learn to get to a few
locations within the building you will probably have an easier time.
You don't need to learn the whole building; just the location of the
places you need to go frequently.
I agree that the inaccessible website and CD's are a problem, but it
sounds like that's the fault of the publisher, not the fault of the
school, right?
Arielle

On 1/20/12, jeff crouch <jeffanel at gmail.com> wrote:
> yes, i am in 8th grade. I am very formiller with the ada and the idea.
> I like studying stuff like this.
>
> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Jeff,
>> You have more rights if you are in middle or high school, which I think
>> you
>> are! Under the Individuals with disabilities education Act, idea, you 
>> have
>> a
>> right to a free and appropriate education.
>> And your parents should advocate for braille signs and whatever
>> accomodations are needed.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jeff crouch
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:31 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>> yeah, oh, this is my first time on this bord, and i love it. Wow i am
>> more active on hear then i am on the nfbmi list. lol, i can't wait to
>> get to know you wonderful people, hey if you have skype feel free to
>> add me, my screen name is
>> magic2127
>>
>> have a good day
>> with love
>> jeff crouch
>>
>> On 1/20/12, Jonathan Franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more
>>> people
>>> to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to 
>>> the
>>> problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers
>>> and
>>> let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a
>>> problem
>>> or come up with solutions. Good luck.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>>>> friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the
>>>> school
>>>> not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things 
>>>> got
>>>> worked on
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over
>>>>> five
>>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
>>>>> figured
>>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>>> hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I 
>>>>> am
>>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can
>>>>> read
>>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give 
>>>>> us
>>>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The 
>>>>> instructor
>>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>>>>> thing around!
>>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>>>> lab?
>>>>>
>>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get
>>>>> it
>>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
>>>>> braille
>>>>> tests!
>>>>>
>>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>>> ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a 
>>>>> blind
>>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>>> its not laid out well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>>
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sat Jan 21 00:04:42 2012
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:04:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice Requested
Message-ID: ded75806-4793-4b6e-80a8-f0f04b88b72d@samobile.net

Mark,

I'm not a dog guide user, but I have an idea about the skidmarks you 
talked about. What about carrying a small pack of moist towelettes with 
you. After you pick up the junk with the bag, you could just quickly 
wipe the sidewalk. Alternatively, you could park your dog in some 
nearby grass or something.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> Hello mark,

> You might as well ask those questions and address these concerns in the NFB
> listserve for guide dog users. You can subscribe to that list by either
> going to http://www.nfbNet.org, or by sending a blank email message
> containing only the subject "Subscribe" to this e-mail address:
> nagdu-request at nfbNet.org.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mark J. Cadigan
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Advice Requested

> Hi all,



> I have a couple questions about the less glamorous aspects of guide dog
> ownership.



> As you may or may not know I recently received a guide dog. As every guide
> dog handler knows, it is important to pick up after your dog. I am doing
> this as best I can; however, sometimes there is a "skid mark" of solid waist

> left behind on the concrete witch is impossible to remove.



> The school office of disability services is giving me a hard time about my
> dogs parking. The school says that I am not doing a good enough job picking
> up the solid waist. The Office of disability services is claiming I am in
> violation of the service animal policy. I am no lawyer, but I don't think
> there service animal policy is legally defensible. It seams to conflict with

> the ADA, the FHA and the rehabilitation act. According to the school, the
> skid marks ground into the concrete when I pick up after my dog are causing
> a problem. They claimed that I am not completely picking up after my dog.
> Suggestions, thoughts, concerns?



> Also, I haven't licensed my dog yet, I have only had him for less than 3
> weeks, and the training is not over yet, however, I have a couple of
> questions about dog licensing in the state of Massachusetts.



> 1, is it really necessary?

> 2, what county do I register him in? I live in Plymouth County, but go to
> school and spend most of my time in Suffolk County



> Thanks,

> Mark


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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 00:12:58 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:12:58 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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Hmm. If Braille signage on rooms in buildings is required by law, then
the vast majority of buildings I've visited (including NFB
headquarters) are violating the law.
I really love it when buildings have Braille signs, but my guess is if
they're not legally mandated, it is because they aren't essential for
a blind person to enter and move about in the building as wheelchair
ramps and elevators are for people using wheelchairs. Braille signs
definitely help us be more independent, but there are other ways in
which we can locate rooms within buildings. My understanding is a
wheelchair user is basically locked out if the building doesn't have a
ramp or elevators, no?
Arielle

On 1/20/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> This is also interesting for me to hear because I had the idea that is was
> law that the buildings or the room numbers had to be brailled
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
>
> Hi Ashley,
> I understand your situation at school is frustrating, but I'm not sure
> that the school is actually in violation of any ADA mandates. Schools
> aren't necessarily required to have a DSO at all, much less purchase a
> scanner and Braille embosser. And while your building's layout may be
> very annoying to try and navigate, it's not inaccessible to you as a
> blind person. I'm not sure the ADA says anything about making
> buildings accessible to the blind except perhaps to put Braille
> signage on elevators. I don't know if Braille is required on doors.
> I think your first priority should probably be finding a more reliable
> way to get access to your books and exams. As for the JAWS issue, can
> you install your copy of JAWS as a demo on your school computer
> instead of asking them to buy another license? Or you can get a
> netbook, which is a very lightweight laptop, for $400 or less.
> You might see if the DSO will help you find a reader to read your
> texts or if there is a scanner anywhere on campus, like in the library
> or student services building, if DSO doesn't have one. If not, you can
> advertise for readers in your classes, which I know you already have
> experience with.
> As for getting around the building, if you can walk through it a few
> times with a reader, friend, or O&M and just learn to get to a few
> locations within the building you will probably have an easier time.
> You don't need to learn the whole building; just the location of the
> places you need to go frequently.
> I agree that the inaccessible website and CD's are a problem, but it
> sounds like that's the fault of the publisher, not the fault of the
> school, right?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/20/12, jeff crouch <jeffanel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> yes, i am in 8th grade. I am very formiller with the ada and the idea.
>> I like studying stuff like this.
>>
>> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Jeff,
>>> You have more rights if you are in middle or high school, which I think
>>> you
>>> are! Under the Individuals with disabilities education Act, idea, you
>>> have
>>> a
>>> right to a free and appropriate education.
>>> And your parents should advocate for braille signs and whatever
>>> accomodations are needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jeff crouch
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:31 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>
>>> yeah, oh, this is my first time on this bord, and i love it. Wow i am
>>> more active on hear then i am on the nfbmi list. lol, i can't wait to
>>> get to know you wonderful people, hey if you have skype feel free to
>>> add me, my screen name is
>>> magic2127
>>>
>>> have a good day
>>> with love
>>> jeff crouch
>>>
>>> On 1/20/12, Jonathan Franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more
>>>> people
>>>> to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to
>>>> the
>>>> problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers
>>>> and
>>>> let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a
>>>> problem
>>>> or come up with solutions. Good luck.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>>>>> friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the
>>>>> school
>>>>> not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things
>>>>> got
>>>>> worked on
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and
>>>>>> they’re
>>>>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over
>>>>>> five
>>>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
>>>>>> figured
>>>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>>>> hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The
>>>>>> instructor
>>>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>>>>>> thing around!
>>>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>>>>> lab?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
>>>>>> braille
>>>>>> tests!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>>>> ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a
>>>>>> blind
>>>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>>>> its not laid out well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
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From daviddod at buffalo.edu  Sat Jan 21 01:23:44 2012
From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:23:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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Good. Definitely use that administrative connection you have. Set up an
appointment to talk to her again on an official basis as opposed to just in
passing. And make it clear, you are not trying to be a pain but in order
for you and other to be successful educationally things do need to change.

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Ashley Bramlett
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Yes, I will go to the vice president. The dean, well they are nice, but
> don't know if they would get anything done. Worth a try though. I ran into
> the dean of administration who used to be dean of english when I was on my
> way to the I t professor's office. She agreed with me that they should
> install jaws up in the instructor's office. I t wasn't me who started the
> conversation; it was my professor and the dean of administration and the
> assistant dean of the business department stood there. That is because the
> dean and assistant dean's offices are near my professor's office. Anyway, I
> think all in the room agreed we were being reasonable. So, yep I could talk
> to them and maybe they can talk to the office which ordered jaws and get
> more licenses.
>
> I already have a rapport with this dean of administration since she was
> dean of english.
> So maybe.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:12 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
> You could speak with your campus President or Vice President or a Dean.
>
> David
> ------------------------------**----
> David Dodge
> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
> State University of New York Student Assembly
> English Major
> University at Buffalo
> 306 Clemens Hall
> Buffalo, NY 14260
> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Ashley Bramlett
> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>**wrote:
>
>  I already talked to the coordinator for students with disabilities campus
>> wide about signage and perhaps making a braille map. nothing was done.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:25 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>> friend
>> in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the school not
>> being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things got
>> worked
>> on
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>>
>>  Hi all,
>>
>>>
>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>
>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>> hiring
>>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>
>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>>> the
>>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>
>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>> steps.
>>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>>> around!
>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>> lab?
>>>
>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>>> tests!
>>>
>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>> ADA
>>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>> its
>>> not laid out well.
>>>
>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From daviddod at buffalo.edu  Sat Jan 21 01:40:12 2012
From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:40:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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With regards to colleges and universities it doesn't make sense to
speculate what is ADA compliant and what isn't.

Most if not all campuses have a person, office, or department, that is
responsible for oversight of ADA compliance. Therefore, if these questions
pop up a person needs to seek out that person, office, or department and
ask these questions directly to them.

David
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David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
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On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hmm. If Braille signage on rooms in buildings is required by law, then
> the vast majority of buildings I've visited (including NFB
> headquarters) are violating the law.
> I really love it when buildings have Braille signs, but my guess is if
> they're not legally mandated, it is because they aren't essential for
> a blind person to enter and move about in the building as wheelchair
> ramps and elevators are for people using wheelchairs. Braille signs
> definitely help us be more independent, but there are other ways in
> which we can locate rooms within buildings. My understanding is a
> wheelchair user is basically locked out if the building doesn't have a
> ramp or elevators, no?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/20/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > This is also interesting for me to hear because I had the idea that is
> was
> > law that the buildings or the room numbers had to be brailled
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
> >
> >
> > Hi Ashley,
> > I understand your situation at school is frustrating, but I'm not sure
> > that the school is actually in violation of any ADA mandates. Schools
> > aren't necessarily required to have a DSO at all, much less purchase a
> > scanner and Braille embosser. And while your building's layout may be
> > very annoying to try and navigate, it's not inaccessible to you as a
> > blind person. I'm not sure the ADA says anything about making
> > buildings accessible to the blind except perhaps to put Braille
> > signage on elevators. I don't know if Braille is required on doors.
> > I think your first priority should probably be finding a more reliable
> > way to get access to your books and exams. As for the JAWS issue, can
> > you install your copy of JAWS as a demo on your school computer
> > instead of asking them to buy another license? Or you can get a
> > netbook, which is a very lightweight laptop, for $400 or less.
> > You might see if the DSO will help you find a reader to read your
> > texts or if there is a scanner anywhere on campus, like in the library
> > or student services building, if DSO doesn't have one. If not, you can
> > advertise for readers in your classes, which I know you already have
> > experience with.
> > As for getting around the building, if you can walk through it a few
> > times with a reader, friend, or O&M and just learn to get to a few
> > locations within the building you will probably have an easier time.
> > You don't need to learn the whole building; just the location of the
> > places you need to go frequently.
> > I agree that the inaccessible website and CD's are a problem, but it
> > sounds like that's the fault of the publisher, not the fault of the
> > school, right?
> > Arielle
> >
> > On 1/20/12, jeff crouch <jeffanel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> yes, i am in 8th grade. I am very formiller with the ada and the idea.
> >> I like studying stuff like this.
> >>
> >> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> Jeff,
> >>> You have more rights if you are in middle or high school, which I think
> >>> you
> >>> are! Under the Individuals with disabilities education Act, idea, you
> >>> have
> >>> a
> >>> right to a free and appropriate education.
> >>> And your parents should advocate for braille signs and whatever
> >>> accomodations are needed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: jeff crouch
> >>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:31 PM
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
> >>>
> >>> yeah, oh, this is my first time on this bord, and i love it. Wow i am
> >>> more active on hear then i am on the nfbmi list. lol, i can't wait to
> >>> get to know you wonderful people, hey if you have skype feel free to
> >>> add me, my screen name is
> >>> magic2127
> >>>
> >>> have a good day
> >>> with love
> >>> jeff crouch
> >>>
> >>> On 1/20/12, Jonathan Franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more
> >>>> people
> >>>> to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to
> >>>> the
> >>>> problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers
> >>>> and
> >>>> let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a
> >>>> problem
> >>>> or come up with solutions. Good luck.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
> >>>>> friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the
> >>>>> school
> >>>>> not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things
> >>>>> got
> >>>>> worked on
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
> >>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
> >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and
> >>>>>> they’re
> >>>>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over
> >>>>>> five
> >>>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
> >>>>>> figured
> >>>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
> >>>>>> hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I
> >>>>>> am
> >>>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can
> >>>>>> read
> >>>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give
> >>>>>> us
> >>>>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The
> >>>>>> instructor
> >>>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
> >>>>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging
> the
> >>>>>> thing around!
> >>>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They
> need
> >>>>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a
> classroom
> >>>>>> lab?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to
> get
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
> >>>>>> braille
> >>>>>> tests!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
> >>>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its
> not
> >>>>>> ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a
> >>>>>> blind
> >>>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot
> since
> >>>>>> its not laid out well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
> >>>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ashley
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> 73
> >>> kd8qiq
> >>> jeff crouch
> >>>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 02:30:32 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:30:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] French Braille
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Hi Nalym,

Although I can't help you with your spesific situation with 
French, I know somebody who might be able to help you.  He's a 
retired French teacher who is totally blind.  I will forward your 
email to him, and will send his response to you off-list, unless 
other people on the list would find this useful, in which case I 
will also send it to the list.

Firstly, what Braille display are you using? I have found the 
same thing has happened when reading Spanish on my BrailleNote's 
Braille display.  The only way I have found to fix this is to hit 
the advance thumb key to go to the next line, then the back key 
to go to the previous line.  The accent will then show up in 
Braille, but it will show as the word of the symbol.  For 
example, e with an accent (or e acute) will show up as the words 
"e acute" in Braille, instead of the actual Braille symbol.  I 
don't know what the equivalent of the previous/back thumb keys 
would be on a stand-alone Braille display.  I believe that the 
same thumb keys that are used for the BrailleNote are used for 
the Brailliant displays from Humanware, but I'm not sure.  Hope 
this helps!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Nallym Bravo <nbrav003 at fiu.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:55:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] French Braille

Greetings all,

Hope everyone is having a great week.  I have a couple of 
questions about reading French braille.  Currently, I am using a 
braille display with my mac and when reading my French textbooks, 
the accents display incorrectly.  Some accented characters don't 
even show up at all.  Is there a specific setting I have to 
enable somewhere? Also, I find that the same thing is happening 
when I braille handouts on campus.  They come out with the 
generic accent sign before the letter, but it poses a problem 
because it doesn't distinguish between the different accents used 
in French.  I would truly appreciate any light anyone can shed on 
this matter.

Thanks for your time, and have a great day!

Best,
Nallym
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 04:41:34 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:41:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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No, I'd rather have someone familiar with school issues. My chapter 
president also works for the federal government and I don't see her taking 
off work for such a thing. Vabs, that is a joke; its inactive and I don't 
know who the president is.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:00 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Hello Ashley and everyone,

    How about your chapter or VABS President. I'd use these folks over
someone who may know little or nothing about accommodating blind students.
Perhaps your state president can assign your situation to another board
member if he cannot take it on himself. Did you contact him about these
issues? Don't write these individuals off just because you think they're too
busy or not interested in helping you. Hope you can get things worked out.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating


Humberton,
Rehab is a joke; remember I'm a continuing ed student; so my rehab counselor
is  concerned about getting me a job with a bachelors degree; she won't go
to meetings with the school; not sure that is a good idea. I mean rehab
doesn't follow their own regulations of informed choice; that is why they
fight with consumers about services.

Now, I do want to bring in an advocate; my state president of nfb is busy
and travels a lot. So I might try a local advocate first. I think I'll ask
my local independent living center to help. The centers for independent
living deal with all people with disabilities. Also I might contact my state
reps in richmond.
Chap peterson has been to nfb meetings here so he might be willing to help
even though he represents the next district over. Yes I will definitely
contact my state officials.

As for braille signs. Um oh my, you got me started. While we do have braille
numbers, other important info is not in braille. The professor's nname is
not brailled! I remember waiting over ten minutes for my professor who ran
late due to parking issues. Someone finally came along and read me the phone
number on the door! Then I called her. Then she showed up three minutes
later and appoligized for being late. Well, I read her name since I have
vision and confirmed I was indeed in the right place! But it wasn't easy.
They could have at least put contrasting letters there for low vision
students!
Same with other signs. Uh, gray letters on dark background isn't good for
low vision people.

Ashley



-----Original Message----- 
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:06 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Hello Ashley and all:

This is so awful. I think these experiences are and can always occur
anywhere in this nation with blind students going to college. I'm not sure
if this could be possible but whenever someone has those sad and bad
inaccessible experiences in college, they should:
1.  talk to the DSS director or dean of students,  and if not working,
2.  they should bring in the VR counselor with the DSS people at the college
and discuss these issues, and if that doesn't work,
3.  bring in an advocate at the state or local level government who can
explain the ADA and tell them how they are not providing the information and
services to a blind student(s) that should be provided by law, and if that
does not work,
4.  bring in an advocate from the National Federation of the Blind who can
really chew their butt! Like maybe, the state or chapter president and/or
maybe even more powerful, a national advocate. And if applicable, if the
school is still not doing the job, he can sue the school on behalf of the
NFB.

Just my idea on this. But, in the end, we must stop colleges and
universities from not providing the services like accessible textbooks and
web sites and even well brailled classroom doors. This is completely nuts.
If we want change, we must take action now.



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:53 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

That's sad!
My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it won't
say who the instructor is.
The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, either.
It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors may
use the same room.
They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead of
"Classroom."
I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn't seem very accomodating and they're
the
> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I'm just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one's hiring
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won't give us
the
> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
steps.
> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
around!
> They tell us they don't have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
lots
> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
> compliant. I don't know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they've been there a lot since its
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 03:49:33 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:49:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting
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Yes I remember having to cary all of those Braille books, taking my tests in
Braille, having someone write my answers in print for my teachers. I agree
that now things are not like they were when we were in high school.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 11:15 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Chris,
I had hard copy braille in high school and bookshare did not exist then.
I think you need to keep up reading hard copy braille and do so fluently; 
otherwise you are doing yourself a disservice. You may hate the heavy 
volumes of braille. I had trouble carrying all of them, but I'm glad I 
learned and practiced reading. I say this because you read differently in 
real braille. You read with two hands and split mid line. The right hand 
finishes the line and the left hand moves down and waits for the right. The 
left acts as a place holder kind of. You only see one line of text with a 
braille display. I'm glad you have some braille, even if its electronic. But

due to the heavy and space limitations of braille, I feel teachers push 
audio. After all, the vr stream is so light and compact.

Gee kids are spoiled these days. Bookshare and textbooks on your braille 
computer. Unheard of when I was in school. Me thinks this opens the door for

cheating too when doing tests; unless you take those in hard copy braille. 
Oh, and I did that. I actually read those fifty question multiple choice 
tests in braille for multiple subjects and brailled my answers on the 
brailler; and then my TVI put them on the print test or scantron. Woe, 
things have change, and somewhat for the worse.
We need to keep up our braille skills after all the braillenote might crash 
and will you take that thing to say a public speech? hmm.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

I have my textbooks either on my Stream in audio format from RFBD
or from Bookshare in BRF format on my BrailleNote.  I'll tell
you; that Stream was a life-saver, what with 30 volumes of
Braille a textbook!

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:26:10 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

you can also get books and put them on your computer in word or
pdf files
and you can search quick and also work on your spelling.  I am
not against
braille by no means I myself am a braille reader, but I am just
suggesting a
way that won't break your back or arms by carrying braille books
in your
back pack.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


To me, the ideal way would be to have both.  I would want an
audio one
that would be on an sd card and the like, and another file on my
apex for
quick searches in class or other activities.  Also to me, having
it in
braille, greatly assist me in my spelling looking better than it
might
otherwise.  I know, it's nice to dream.

Loren



-----Original Message-----
From: Gloria G
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Hi,
Wouldn't it be easier and more convient to have college texts on
audio
rather than braille any way? It would take a while to use
braille in
college.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting


I was able to talk to the instructor, via E-mail.
I'm going to get my books from Learning Ally.
The DSB needed to be notified, 6 months ahead of time, in order
to get
my books in Braille, which is impossible, because, how can I
know, 6
months ahead of time, what classes I need to take?
This is crazy!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/10/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
Um...

(1) Why can't you get anything in Braille? Is the DSB not
offering you anything in Braille anymore? I thought you said you
had to deal with them if you are to get your books in Braille.
Well, if you get a Pacmate, you won't need hardcopies.
2.  How did you deal with the last compressed video class you
took? I remember you talking about that on the list before, but
can't remember how you handled it if you took the class.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
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To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:40:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Results of my Rehab meeting

Well, I have some good news, and bad news, from this meeting.
The good news, I'm finally getting some cooperation, and I might
be
able to have a Pac Mate, for the rest of my college tenure.
The bad news, is as follows.
#1.  I can't get anything, in Braille.
#2.  All of my classes are at night, except for College Algebra.
#3.  They're letting me take a Philosophy class, in place of
Music
Appreciation, but there's one problem!
It's another compressed video class!
#4.  I won't get to graduate in May.
They're claiming, that I lack 4 hours, so I'll have to take that
other
Science class, in the Fall.
That's a community college for you!
Oh well!
At least, this time, the counselor showed up, (LOL!)
Blessings, Joshua

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 04:52:44 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:52:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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Hi,
Well, I can ask about the jaws demo. The school hasn't taken any steps to 
get texts to us. And finding readers is more challenging, though I found 
them before with more interviews. This is a very multi cultural school. So 
many of those interested in reading were those with accents.
Obviously, I did not hire them. Another issue was schedule conflicts; I did 
not have this at the university since we could study at night.

Regarding the ADA and buildings, I'll look into this. Yes rooms have to have 
sinage. The school is in ADA violations but for other issues like lack of 
hand rails on steps. They get  away with it because the buildings are older. 
Although, I don't know if the new building only a few months old is in ADA 
compliance or not. One very inconvenient thing is that there is only one 
elevator in it and its down some hallway out of the way as if they don't 
want people to use the elevator. That would be hard for someone who is 
mobility impaired.
I haven't been in it enough to observe if all doors are wide enough for a 
wheelchair to go through.
It’s a poorly designed layout. What I think I'll do is memorize where things 
are in relation to the carpeted lounge area; they have a area for students 
just to sit and study and/or hang around in the middle. It is carpeted 
there. Around this area on the back two walls are where the doors to the 
offices are for counseling, testing center, admissions, etc.  Its very 
strange. It would make much more sense to have halls!

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:35 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

Hi Ashley,
I understand your situation at school is frustrating, but I'm not sure
that the school is actually in violation of any ADA mandates. Schools
aren't necessarily required to have a DSO at all, much less purchase a
scanner and Braille embosser. And while your building's layout may be
very annoying to try and navigate, it's not inaccessible to you as a
blind person. I'm not sure the ADA says anything about making
buildings accessible to the blind except perhaps to put Braille
signage on elevators. I don't know if Braille is required on doors.
I think your first priority should probably be finding a more reliable
way to get access to your books and exams. As for the JAWS issue, can
you install your copy of JAWS as a demo on your school computer
instead of asking them to buy another license? Or you can get a
netbook, which is a very lightweight laptop, for $400 or less.
You might see if the DSO will help you find a reader to read your
texts or if there is a scanner anywhere on campus, like in the library
or student services building, if DSO doesn't have one. If not, you can
advertise for readers in your classes, which I know you already have
experience with.
As for getting around the building, if you can walk through it a few
times with a reader, friend, or O&M and just learn to get to a few
locations within the building you will probably have an easier time.
You don't need to learn the whole building; just the location of the
places you need to go frequently.
I agree that the inaccessible website and CD's are a problem, but it
sounds like that's the fault of the publisher, not the fault of the
school, right?
Arielle

On 1/20/12, jeff crouch <jeffanel at gmail.com> wrote:
> yes, i am in 8th grade. I am very formiller with the ada and the idea.
> I like studying stuff like this.
>
> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Jeff,
>> You have more rights if you are in middle or high school, which I think
>> you
>> are! Under the Individuals with disabilities education Act, idea, you 
>> have
>> a
>> right to a free and appropriate education.
>> And your parents should advocate for braille signs and whatever
>> accomodations are needed.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jeff crouch
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:31 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>> yeah, oh, this is my first time on this bord, and i love it. Wow i am
>> more active on hear then i am on the nfbmi list. lol, i can't wait to
>> get to know you wonderful people, hey if you have skype feel free to
>> add me, my screen name is
>> magic2127
>>
>> have a good day
>> with love
>> jeff crouch
>>
>> On 1/20/12, Jonathan Franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more
>>> people
>>> to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to 
>>> the
>>> problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers
>>> and
>>> let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a
>>> problem
>>> or come up with solutions. Good luck.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>>>> friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the
>>>> school
>>>> not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things 
>>>> got
>>>> worked on
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over
>>>>> five
>>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
>>>>> figured
>>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>>> hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I 
>>>>> am
>>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can
>>>>> read
>>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give 
>>>>> us
>>>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The 
>>>>> instructor
>>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>>>>> thing around!
>>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>>>> lab?
>>>>>
>>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get
>>>>> it
>>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
>>>>> braille
>>>>> tests!
>>>>>
>>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>>> ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a 
>>>>> blind
>>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>>> its not laid out well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
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>> kd8qiq
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 04:54:36 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:54:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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Hi,
They do have to be brailled. But as I said earlier, the ADA only applies to 
buildings constructed after the law or if they do renovations.
But still, if you need it, they should place signage there upon request.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gloria G
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

Hi,
This is also interesting for me to hear because I had the idea that is was
law that the buildings or the room numbers had to be brailled
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating


Hi Ashley,
I understand your situation at school is frustrating, but I'm not sure
that the school is actually in violation of any ADA mandates. Schools
aren't necessarily required to have a DSO at all, much less purchase a
scanner and Braille embosser. And while your building's layout may be
very annoying to try and navigate, it's not inaccessible to you as a
blind person. I'm not sure the ADA says anything about making
buildings accessible to the blind except perhaps to put Braille
signage on elevators. I don't know if Braille is required on doors.
I think your first priority should probably be finding a more reliable
way to get access to your books and exams. As for the JAWS issue, can
you install your copy of JAWS as a demo on your school computer
instead of asking them to buy another license? Or you can get a
netbook, which is a very lightweight laptop, for $400 or less.
You might see if the DSO will help you find a reader to read your
texts or if there is a scanner anywhere on campus, like in the library
or student services building, if DSO doesn't have one. If not, you can
advertise for readers in your classes, which I know you already have
experience with.
As for getting around the building, if you can walk through it a few
times with a reader, friend, or O&M and just learn to get to a few
locations within the building you will probably have an easier time.
You don't need to learn the whole building; just the location of the
places you need to go frequently.
I agree that the inaccessible website and CD's are a problem, but it
sounds like that's the fault of the publisher, not the fault of the
school, right?
Arielle

On 1/20/12, jeff crouch <jeffanel at gmail.com> wrote:
> yes, i am in 8th grade. I am very formiller with the ada and the idea.
> I like studying stuff like this.
>
> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Jeff,
>> You have more rights if you are in middle or high school, which I think
>> you
>> are! Under the Individuals with disabilities education Act, idea, you 
>> have
>> a
>> right to a free and appropriate education.
>> And your parents should advocate for braille signs and whatever
>> accomodations are needed.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jeff crouch
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:31 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>> yeah, oh, this is my first time on this bord, and i love it. Wow i am
>> more active on hear then i am on the nfbmi list. lol, i can't wait to
>> get to know you wonderful people, hey if you have skype feel free to
>> add me, my screen name is
>> magic2127
>>
>> have a good day
>> with love
>> jeff crouch
>>
>> On 1/20/12, Jonathan Franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more
>>> people
>>> to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to 
>>> the
>>> problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers
>>> and
>>> let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a
>>> problem
>>> or come up with solutions. Good luck.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>>>> friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the
>>>> school
>>>> not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things 
>>>> got
>>>> worked on
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over
>>>>> five
>>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
>>>>> figured
>>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>>> hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I 
>>>>> am
>>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can
>>>>> read
>>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give 
>>>>> us
>>>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The 
>>>>> instructor
>>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>>>>> thing around!
>>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>>>> lab?
>>>>>
>>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get
>>>>> it
>>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
>>>>> braille
>>>>> tests!
>>>>>
>>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>>> ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a 
>>>>> blind
>>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>>> its not laid out well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> kd8qiq
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Jan 21 05:08:57 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:08:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [duxnews] Important Announcement from Duxbury Systems
Message-ID: <auto-000044718376@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>We are pleased to announce  service release DBT 11.1 SR3
>
>To download go to 
><http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt.asp%0b>http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt.asp
>Or open your copy of DBT and go to Help/Check for Updates or type Alt-H-U.
>
>Notable New Features
>
>
>Added Embossers and Embosser Support:
>
>
>
>    * Index V4
>    * Enabling Technology Phoenix
>    * Index Braille Box
>    * Braillo 300
>    * Braillo 650 S&F
>    * Tactile graphics for Braillo 200 and Braillo 300 (Limited Support)
>
>
>Other New Features and Improvements in SR3:
>
>
>
>    * New version of SWIFT works with 64-bit builds of MS Word 2010.
>    * Improvements to the new DBT 11.1 table handling functions 
> including files that consist solely of very large tables.
>    * Improved imports of Word docx format files, including proper 
> handling for print page breaks.
>    * Insertion of GOODFEEL music files, a feature which had stopped 
> working as of version 11.1, has been restored.
>    * Expanded support of HTML exports: varieties of emphasis, 
> additional characters, and support for tabular material.
>    * Support for a new file format created by MegaDots 2.5. This 
> allows importing Braille Word files using the BANA/2010 template.
><http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt.asp%20%20%0d%0b>http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt.asp 
>
>
>Please open DBT, go to HELP, then click on Check for Updates.
>This will inform you if you are eligible for a free downloadable upgrade to
>DBT 11.1 SR3 and result in a smoother experience for you.
>
>Paid updates should be ordered through your dealer or directly with 
>us. Please provide your license or serial number when placing your 
>order or requesting a quote.
>
>Call +1-978-692-3000 or email 
><mailto:orders at duxsys.com>orders at duxsys.com to confirm your pricing 
>and to place your order!
>
>Featured Languages and Braille Improvements:
>Afrikaans braille to print now supported (Afrikaans print to braille 
>has been supported for years).
>Armenian (Eastern and Western) print-to-braille translations have 
>been refined.
>Czech print to braille has fixes for some of the accented letters.
>Mathematics braille translation for British math is improved.
>English has improved handling of quotation marks.
>German print to braille has fixes for several contractions.
>Icelandic has better handling of emphasis.
>The print-to-braille and the braille-to-print translations for the 
>languages of India have been improved and have been made more consistent.
>Punctuation and numbers are handled better in the Korean translator. 
>The Korean braille to print translator has been substantially improved.
>Portuguese now supports hyphenation.
>Russian (and other Cyrillic languages) have revised logic for 
>punctuation within numbers.
>Swedish now handles hard spaces.
>Extensive improvements in Filipino/Tagalog braille to print.
>Tigrinya (a major language of Ethiopia) is now supported.
>For a full list please follow the link below:
><http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt.asp>http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt.asp
>
>
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>
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>Duxbury Systems, the first name in software for Braille - since 1975.
>

From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sat Jan 21 05:46:17 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:46:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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The ADA does only apply to buildings, but the Students with
Disabilities Act applies to everything else.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> They do have to be brailled. But as I said earlier, the ADA only applies to
> buildings constructed after the law or if they do renovations.
> But still, if you need it, they should place signage there upon request.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gloria G
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:56 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
> Hi,
> This is also interesting for me to hear because I had the idea that is was
> law that the buildings or the room numbers had to be brailled
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
>
> Hi Ashley,
> I understand your situation at school is frustrating, but I'm not sure
> that the school is actually in violation of any ADA mandates. Schools
> aren't necessarily required to have a DSO at all, much less purchase a
> scanner and Braille embosser. And while your building's layout may be
> very annoying to try and navigate, it's not inaccessible to you as a
> blind person. I'm not sure the ADA says anything about making
> buildings accessible to the blind except perhaps to put Braille
> signage on elevators. I don't know if Braille is required on doors.
> I think your first priority should probably be finding a more reliable
> way to get access to your books and exams. As for the JAWS issue, can
> you install your copy of JAWS as a demo on your school computer
> instead of asking them to buy another license? Or you can get a
> netbook, which is a very lightweight laptop, for $400 or less.
> You might see if the DSO will help you find a reader to read your
> texts or if there is a scanner anywhere on campus, like in the library
> or student services building, if DSO doesn't have one. If not, you can
> advertise for readers in your classes, which I know you already have
> experience with.
> As for getting around the building, if you can walk through it a few
> times with a reader, friend, or O&M and just learn to get to a few
> locations within the building you will probably have an easier time.
> You don't need to learn the whole building; just the location of the
> places you need to go frequently.
> I agree that the inaccessible website and CD's are a problem, but it
> sounds like that's the fault of the publisher, not the fault of the
> school, right?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/20/12, jeff crouch <jeffanel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> yes, i am in 8th grade. I am very formiller with the ada and the idea.
>> I like studying stuff like this.
>>
>> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Jeff,
>>> You have more rights if you are in middle or high school, which I think
>>> you
>>> are! Under the Individuals with disabilities education Act, idea, you
>>> have
>>> a
>>> right to a free and appropriate education.
>>> And your parents should advocate for braille signs and whatever
>>> accomodations are needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jeff crouch
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:31 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>
>>> yeah, oh, this is my first time on this bord, and i love it. Wow i am
>>> more active on hear then i am on the nfbmi list. lol, i can't wait to
>>> get to know you wonderful people, hey if you have skype feel free to
>>> add me, my screen name is
>>> magic2127
>>>
>>> have a good day
>>> with love
>>> jeff crouch
>>>
>>> On 1/20/12, Jonathan Franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more
>>>> people
>>>> to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to
>>>> the
>>>> problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers
>>>> and
>>>> let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a
>>>> problem
>>>> or come up with solutions. Good luck.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>>>>> friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the
>>>>> school
>>>>> not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things
>>>>> got
>>>>> worked on
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and
>>>>>> they’re
>>>>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over
>>>>>> five
>>>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
>>>>>> figured
>>>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>>>> hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The
>>>>>> instructor
>>>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>>>>>> thing around!
>>>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>>>>> lab?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
>>>>>> braille
>>>>>> tests!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>>>> ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a
>>>>>> blind
>>>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>>>> its not laid out well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> 73
>>> kd8qiq
>>> jeff crouch
>>>
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>> kd8qiq
>> jeff crouch
>>
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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 06:23:14 2012
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:23:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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Hi Ashley,
I believe you are right that braille signage is required by the ADA in
newer buildings, but I do agree with Arielle that your first priority
should be finding a practical way of getting textbooks in an
accessible format. In addition to the options that have been suggested
so far, I would like to point out that Bookshare has recently become
an extremely valuable resource. If you carry an individual membership,
you can use the Request Books feature on their website to ask them to
add the textbooks you need to their on-line library. As long as you
specify that the books are needed for school-related purposes, they
are very prompt in responding and will generally get the books scanned
within a few weeks. It takes them an unrealistically long time to
proof-read and edit the books, but for the most part this is not
particularly problematic-- The raw scan itself is of a very high
quality and is in fact among the best etexts I have come across. I
tried their services for the first time this semester to access a
textbook I need as a teaching assistant, and it has worked very well,
so I thought it worthwhile to share the resource.
Good luck!
Katie

On 1/21/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> The ADA does only apply to buildings, but the Students with
> Disabilities Act applies to everything else.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> They do have to be brailled. But as I said earlier, the ADA only applies
>> to
>> buildings constructed after the law or if they do renovations.
>> But still, if you need it, they should place signage there upon request.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gloria G
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:56 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>> Hi,
>> This is also interesting for me to hear because I had the idea that is was
>> law that the buildings or the room numbers had to be brailled
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>>
>> Hi Ashley,
>> I understand your situation at school is frustrating, but I'm not sure
>> that the school is actually in violation of any ADA mandates. Schools
>> aren't necessarily required to have a DSO at all, much less purchase a
>> scanner and Braille embosser. And while your building's layout may be
>> very annoying to try and navigate, it's not inaccessible to you as a
>> blind person. I'm not sure the ADA says anything about making
>> buildings accessible to the blind except perhaps to put Braille
>> signage on elevators. I don't know if Braille is required on doors.
>> I think your first priority should probably be finding a more reliable
>> way to get access to your books and exams. As for the JAWS issue, can
>> you install your copy of JAWS as a demo on your school computer
>> instead of asking them to buy another license? Or you can get a
>> netbook, which is a very lightweight laptop, for $400 or less.
>> You might see if the DSO will help you find a reader to read your
>> texts or if there is a scanner anywhere on campus, like in the library
>> or student services building, if DSO doesn't have one. If not, you can
>> advertise for readers in your classes, which I know you already have
>> experience with.
>> As for getting around the building, if you can walk through it a few
>> times with a reader, friend, or O&M and just learn to get to a few
>> locations within the building you will probably have an easier time.
>> You don't need to learn the whole building; just the location of the
>> places you need to go frequently.
>> I agree that the inaccessible website and CD's are a problem, but it
>> sounds like that's the fault of the publisher, not the fault of the
>> school, right?
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 1/20/12, jeff crouch <jeffanel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> yes, i am in 8th grade. I am very formiller with the ada and the idea.
>>> I like studying stuff like this.
>>>
>>> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Jeff,
>>>> You have more rights if you are in middle or high school, which I think
>>>> you
>>>> are! Under the Individuals with disabilities education Act, idea, you
>>>> have
>>>> a
>>>> right to a free and appropriate education.
>>>> And your parents should advocate for braille signs and whatever
>>>> accomodations are needed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: jeff crouch
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:31 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>
>>>> yeah, oh, this is my first time on this bord, and i love it. Wow i am
>>>> more active on hear then i am on the nfbmi list. lol, i can't wait to
>>>> get to know you wonderful people, hey if you have skype feel free to
>>>> add me, my screen name is
>>>> magic2127
>>>>
>>>> have a good day
>>>> with love
>>>> jeff crouch
>>>>
>>>> On 1/20/12, Jonathan Franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more
>>>>> people
>>>>> to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to
>>>>> the
>>>>> problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers
>>>>> and
>>>>> let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a
>>>>> problem
>>>>> or come up with solutions. Good luck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>>>>>> friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the
>>>>>> school
>>>>>> not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> worked on
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and
>>>>>>> they’re
>>>>>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over
>>>>>>> five
>>>>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
>>>>>>> figured
>>>>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>>>>> hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can
>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give
>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The
>>>>>>> instructor
>>>>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>>>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>>>>>>> thing around!
>>>>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>>>>>> lab?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
>>>>>>> braille
>>>>>>> tests!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> its not laid out well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley
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>>>> --
>>>> 73
>>>> kd8qiq
>>>> jeff crouch
>>>>
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From mgoalball at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 07:12:10 2012
From: mgoalball at gmail.com (Matt McCubbin)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:12:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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References: <CF3609EC6CCA4F588ACE61CC98E57E71@OwnerPC>
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Ashley,
I'm sorry you are having difficulties with your college, and it's 
unfortunate that they seem unwilling to work with you.
First, you'd mentioned that the college is unable to scan your 
textbooks. Have you thought about purchasing a scanner with an OCR 
program such as OmniPage? The package would cost around a couple hundred 
dollars, but you would be able to create electronic copies of your own 
textbooks, and wouldn't have to wait for the publisher to send you the 
files. You would also be able to use the scanner to scan class 
assignments, mail, and other printed material you encounter.
Second, from personal experience, you'll definitely want a laptop in 
class for your IT course, and I honestly can't imagine how you've 
survived without one. There is no need to install a full copy of jaws in 
your instructors office, you should be just fine utilizing the demo. Is 
she familiar with jaws, since she wishes to show you the steps for your 
assignments?

I hope this helps, and good luck with your situation.

Best regards,
Matt
On 1/20/2012 2:14 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too. Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sat Jan 21 07:37:37 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:37:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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Ashley, why Jaws?
I've heard alot of good things about NVDA.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/21/12, Matt McCubbin <mgoalball at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ashley,
> I'm sorry you are having difficulties with your college, and it's
> unfortunate that they seem unwilling to work with you.
> First, you'd mentioned that the college is unable to scan your
> textbooks. Have you thought about purchasing a scanner with an OCR
> program such as OmniPage? The package would cost around a couple hundred
> dollars, but you would be able to create electronic copies of your own
> textbooks, and wouldn't have to wait for the publisher to send you the
> files. You would also be able to use the scanner to scan class
> assignments, mail, and other printed material you encounter.
> Second, from personal experience, you'll definitely want a laptop in
> class for your IT course, and I honestly can't imagine how you've
> survived without one. There is no need to install a full copy of jaws in
> your instructors office, you should be just fine utilizing the demo. Is
> she familiar with jaws, since she wishes to show you the steps for your
> assignments?
>
> I hope this helps, and good luck with your situation.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt
> On 1/20/2012 2:14 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>
>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring
>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>> thing around!
>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>> tests!
>>
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its
>> not laid out well.
>>
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>
>> Ashley
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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Sat Jan 21 15:43:35 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:43:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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Good morning Ashley and everyone,

    You need to work with your state and/or chapter presidents. Never mind 
the school officials. Furthermore as Arielle pointed out be careful in what 
you say is a school accommodation and what is not. Perhaps some of your 
concerns such as not being able to navigate the campus independently could 
be fixed by taking some time out and attending an NFB training center. You 
would also get help with many of the other issues you raised. And if your 
counselor gives you horsepuckey about your state's rehab agency paying for 
this training here again is where you need to work with your NFB affiliate 
to get resolution of your issues which could include enhancing your 
blindness skills. Now stop the excuses and get on with addressing your 
concerns so you can succeed in school and beyond.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating


No, I'd rather have someone familiar with school issues. My chapter
president also works for the federal government and I don't see her taking
off work for such a thing. Vabs, that is a joke; its inactive and I don't
know who the president is.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:00 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Hello Ashley and everyone,

    How about your chapter or VABS President. I'd use these folks over
someone who may know little or nothing about accommodating blind students.
Perhaps your state president can assign your situation to another board
member if he cannot take it on himself. Did you contact him about these
issues? Don't write these individuals off just because you think they're too
busy or not interested in helping you. Hope you can get things worked out.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating


Humberton,
Rehab is a joke; remember I'm a continuing ed student; so my rehab counselor
is  concerned about getting me a job with a bachelors degree; she won't go
to meetings with the school; not sure that is a good idea. I mean rehab
doesn't follow their own regulations of informed choice; that is why they
fight with consumers about services.

Now, I do want to bring in an advocate; my state president of nfb is busy
and travels a lot. So I might try a local advocate first. I think I'll ask
my local independent living center to help. The centers for independent
living deal with all people with disabilities. Also I might contact my state
reps in richmond.
Chap peterson has been to nfb meetings here so he might be willing to help
even though he represents the next district over. Yes I will definitely
contact my state officials.

As for braille signs. Um oh my, you got me started. While we do have braille
numbers, other important info is not in braille. The professor's nname is
not brailled! I remember waiting over ten minutes for my professor who ran
late due to parking issues. Someone finally came along and read me the phone
number on the door! Then I called her. Then she showed up three minutes
later and appoligized for being late. Well, I read her name since I have
vision and confirmed I was indeed in the right place! But it wasn't easy.
They could have at least put contrasting letters there for low vision
students!
Same with other signs. Uh, gray letters on dark background isn't good for
low vision people.

Ashley



-----Original Message----- 
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:06 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Hello Ashley and all:

This is so awful. I think these experiences are and can always occur
anywhere in this nation with blind students going to college. I'm not sure
if this could be possible but whenever someone has those sad and bad
inaccessible experiences in college, they should:
1.  talk to the DSS director or dean of students,  and if not working,
2.  they should bring in the VR counselor with the DSS people at the college
and discuss these issues, and if that doesn't work,
3.  bring in an advocate at the state or local level government who can
explain the ADA and tell them how they are not providing the information and
services to a blind student(s) that should be provided by law, and if that
does not work,
4.  bring in an advocate from the National Federation of the Blind who can
really chew their butt! Like maybe, the state or chapter president and/or
maybe even more powerful, a national advocate. And if applicable, if the
school is still not doing the job, he can sue the school on behalf of the
NFB.

Just my idea on this. But, in the end, we must stop colleges and
universities from not providing the services like accessible textbooks and
web sites and even well brailled classroom doors. This is completely nuts.
If we want change, we must take action now.



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:53 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

That's sad!
My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it won't
say who the instructor is.
The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, either.
It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors may
use the same room.
They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead of
"Classroom."
I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn't seem very accomodating and they're
the
> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I'm just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one's hiring
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won't give us
the
> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
steps.
> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
around!
> They tell us they don't have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
lots
> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
> compliant. I don't know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they've been there a lot since its
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 16:50:02 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:50:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate and other notetakers
Message-ID: <4f1aeced.87bfe00a.5f52.35f9@mx.google.com>

Hi Amanda,

I use my BrailleNote Apex all the time, and love it! In fact, I 
am writing this email from my BrailleNote using its email client.  
I don't know how it would compare to the PacMate, as I haven't 
played with the PacMate a lot.  I do know that the PacMate uses 
Windows Mobile as its operating system, which makes the PacMate 
operate a lot like a PC.  The BrailleNote, however, uses Windows 
CE, an older version of the Windows operating system (OS) for 
mobile devices.  Unlike the PacMate, the BrailleNote is laid out 
in menus and lists, which I have found to be very easy to 
navigate.  I've played with a BrailleSense before, and have come 
to really like the BrailleNote's layout over the BrailleSense's, 
and believe that the PacMate has the same kind of layout as the 
BrailleSense.  The BrailleNote, however, does have some 
noticeable drawbacks, mostly due to the fact that it is running 
an underlying OS which is no longer updated or supported by 
Microsoft.  For more information about the BrailleNote, I would 
advise you to check out the BrailleNote Users Web site, which is 
a site with a lot of great tips about the BrailleNote and how to 
use it, all written by BrailleNote users ourselves.  Also, the 
Introduction to BrailleNote article and the Introduction to 
BrailleNote podcasts, along with the BrailleNote: Its Potential 
podcast series, all of which you can find on the BrailleNote 
Users site, are all great resources for new BrailleNote users or 
those who are considering the purchase of a BrailleNote.  The 
link to the Web site is www.braillenoteusers.info.  If you have 
any more questions, email me off-list and I would be glad to help 
you!
Hope this helps,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Amanda Cape <cape.amanda at gmail.com
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:52:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate and other notetakers

Hey everyone,
I currently have a pacmate and have been looking into investing 
in a
new notetaker.  Has anyone used the braillenote apex? How does it
compare to the pacmate? Would it be a good investment?
Amanda

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 16:50:00 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:50:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
Message-ID: <4f1aecec.87bfe00a.5f52.35f8@mx.google.com>

Hi=20Gloria,

There's=20a=2032-page=20list=20of=20the=20scholarships=20available=20for=20=
blind=20
students,=20which=20was=20compiled=20by=20the=20Jewish=20Guild=20for=20the=
=20Blind.=20=20
Sorry,=20I=20don't=20have=20the=20link,=20so=20maybe=20a=20Google=20search=
=20for=20
"scholarships=20for=20blind=20students"=20or=20something=20like=20that=20wo=
uld=20
come=20up=20with=20it.

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Gloria=20G"=20<gloria.graves at gmail.com
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Thu,=2019=20Jan=202012=2008:41:39=20-0600
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20textbooks=20and=20inaccessible=20cds

Hi,
Does=20anyone=20know=20of=20any=20scholarships=20I=20could=20apply=20for=20=
besides=20
NFB,=20AFB,=20or
the=20McGregor?=20If=20so,=20where=20could=20I=20find=20the=20applications=
=20to=20
apply?
Thanks
-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Joshua=20Lester"=20<jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2015,=202012=208:24=20PM
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20textbooks=20and=20inaccessible=20cds


I'm=20not=20sure=20the=20citation,=20and=20the=20section=20of=20the=20ADA,=
=20but=20I=20
heard=20it
on=20the=20news,=20in=20June,=20of=202011.
Blessings,=20Joshua

On=201/15/12,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>=20wrote:
=20Joshua,
=20Can=20you=20site=20the=20case=20and=20section=20of=20the=20ADA?
=20I=20might=20call=20DOJ=20and=20find=20out.=20=20That=20is=20if=20I=20do=
=20not=20get=20anywhere=20
with=20the
=20publisher.

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Joshua=20Lester
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2015,=202012=209:03=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20textbooks=20and=20inaccessible=20cds

=20Ashley,=20they=20have=20to=20make=20them=20accessible.
=20The=20Department=20of=20Justice=20said=20so.
=20They=20ruled,=20two=20years=20ago,=20that=20the=20ADA=20now=20applies=20=
to=20Websites.
=20Blessings,=20Joshua

=20On=201/15/12,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>=20wrote:=

=20Hi=20all,

=20I=20do=20not=20think=20publishers=20have=20to=20make=20their=20cds=20and=
=20websites=20
accessible.
=20Sometimes=20a=20text=20comes=20with=20a=20companion=20cd.
=20But=20it=20seems=20right=20to=20do=20so.=20=20Well,=20I=92m=20trying=20t=
o=20take=20an=20intro=20
to
=20computers
=20class.

=20Know=20what?=20The=20site=20uses=20flash=20and=20is=20not=20accessible!=
=20At=20least=20
not=20on=20the
=20first=20page.=20=20I=20might=20be=20able=20to=20get=20someone=20to=20cli=
ck=20on=20
something=20and=20get
=20in
=20that=20way.=20=20The=20CD=20is=20the=20same=20way!
=20The=20publisher=20is=20Paradigm.=20=20Has=20anyone=20else=20used=20their=
=20books=20and=20
run=20=20into
=20this?

=20I=20like=20to=20access=20the=20cd=20and/or=20textbook=20website=20becaus=
e=20you=20get=20
other
=20benefits=20such=20as=20chapter=20summaries,=20definition=20of=20terms,=20=
other=20
study
=20tools,
=20and=20practice=20quizzes.=20=20I=20don=92t=20do=20this=20for=20every=20c=
lass;=20I=20do=20
have=20a=20life.
=20But
=20some=20classes,=20I=20do=20take=20a=20few=20practice=20quizzes=20and=20I=
=20find=20it=20
helps=20me
=20prepare=20and=20study=20for=20the=20real=20quiz=20or=20test.

=20I=20might=20report=20this=20if=20I=20can=20find=20a=20point=20of=20conta=
ct;=20I=92m=20hoping=20
they
=20have

=20a
=20diversity=20or=20accessibility=20department.=20=20We=20will=20see.
=20If=20anyone=20had=20success=20in=20reporting=20publisher=20website=20or=
=20cd-rom=20
issues=20and
=20got=20them=20fixed,=20that=20would=20be=20nice=20to=20know.=20=20Maybe=20=
the=20publisher=20
will=20send
=20me
=20stuff=20directly;=20we=92ll=20see.
=20Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 16:49:57 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:49:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
Message-ID: <4f1aece8.87bfe00a.5f52.35f4@mx.google.com>

Hi Katie,

My circle of friends is like yours; most of them use either 
Google Chat, Facebook Chat, or Skype.  Is Facebook chat 
accessible? I know it doesn't work on the BrailleNote, unless you 
use a third-party Web site called eBuddy.  But is
it accessible with JAWS?
Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:05:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hi Chris,
I have heard of Miranda but it appears to be a little tedious to 
set
up, so given that I still find AIM relatively usable (see my 
previous
post) I decided that it's not really worth my effort at this 
point.  I
have heard that it works really well with JAWS once it is 
configured
properly though, so feel free to give it a try if you are feeling
technologically adventurous!
To answer your other question, I don't believe that the gchat 
program
can be configured to connect with AIM.  I don't know about your 
circle
of friends, but from my personal experience I have found that AIM 
has
somewhat fallen out of favor; most people I know use Google or
Facebook Chat instead.  I mainly use AIM as a way to access the 
other
IM clients on my PC, which are not as accessible.  If you do have
friends who are AIM users, I would encourage you to give the 
program a
try-- It's not perfect but really shouldn't disappoint too much!
Katie


On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi Katie,

 I have heard of people using AIM with a chat client called
 Miranda, which apparently makes AIM and other chat services more
 accessible with JAWS.  Also, a question: you said that the 
latest
 version of AIM enables you to connect to Google or Facebook 
chat.
 So will this work the other way around; can I chat with somebody
 using AIM by using Google Chat on my BrailleNote?

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

 Hi Patrick,
 AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall
 user-friendly,
 intuitive interface.  Its most recent version (7.5, I believe)
 also
 allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a
 great
 feature since both of these popular IM  services are not
 particularly
 accessible.  While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking
 incoming
 messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does not
 work
 as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over to
 the
 Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in, 
which
 is a
 little annoying but not too big of a deal.  Hope this helps!
 Katie


 On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
  Hey Guys,
  I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm
 using
  Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12.  Any
 tips/suggestions/help you
  can give me would be great.
  Thanks,
  Patrick

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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:34:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: ADV: Hadley eConnect, January 20, 2012
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>helps people to stay in touch with business partners, develop new 
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>you how to get the most out of this site. LinkedIn is one of the 
>most accessible social networking applications, and it takes 
>networking to a new level. Tom will show you how to use it to meet 
>people you need to be in touch with, and how to use it to be of 
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From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 21 19:35:43 2012
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:35:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How we treat other blind people
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Bridget,
    Very, very well said.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 2:35 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] How we treat other blind people

Kerri,

First, I love how you spell your name, grin.

Okay, I'm sure I'm walking into controversial ground, but I'm also known
for not beating around the bush.

I will be honest; in the past, I was in the number of blind people who
judged others based on the alternative tools and skills they used.
Regardless of useable vision or not, I jumped on the bandwagon and was
ready to discredit those not using long white canes, service dogs,
Braille, JAWS- you get the picture.

Fortunately, I've realized my mistake and have adjusted my mindset. I
have always prided myself on my ability to think for myself and not be
easily influenced by others and their opinions, but there I was, without
a second thought, judging fellow blind people because I associated with
a mindset that no matter your level of remaining vision, no matter your
circumstances, if you didn't use alternative skills, and alternative
skills only, you had a bad attitude about blindness. This, my friends,
is not the attitude to adopt especially if we wish for more blind people
to join our ranks. And this very attitude is one of the reasons so many,
not all, but many Federationist are considered combative, radical and
judgmental. Sometimes the intentions are good; we simply want to see you
reach your full potential, but many times the intentions are nothing
more than to discredit and demoralize.

Another thing I've always prided myself on was not judging others before
getting to know them; and yet, once again, I use to judge others merely
based on what tool and method they used as a blind person. I knew
nothing of their character, their circumstances, their life. I'm ashamed
to admit these things, but I've walked through the fire and have
realized that I can't preach equality and expect it from sighted peers
if I'm not willing to give the same to my fellow blind people. Equality
does not come with exceptions or test, or at least, it shouldn't. No
matter what we feel and think, if we want equality, we must show
equality.

Now, this does not mean we do not challenge one another. If a person
clearly could benefit from alternative skills, we encourage them to use
those skills. We don't, though, leave them in the dust if they don't
automatically adjust to this. When we know people on a much more
personal level, we can make suggestions and discuss concepts and skills,
encouraging, challenging but most of all, being supportive and helpful.
Friends don't drop you, true friends, when you disagree.

I still hold certain opinions I'm entitled too just as we all do, and
I'm well aware of certain arguments both for and against what I'm
saying. Let me try to appease some by reiterating that, in my
experience, most people who still retain some vision, could benefit from
alternative skills and methods. It may be a combination of vision and
nonvisual techniques; it may be more vision than nonvisual skills or it
may be more nonvisual methods than vision, but nonetheless, I know many
who do, or can, benefit from the introduction of nonvisual skills. That
being said, we still have no right to judge or treat people rudely if
they don't do things exactly like us. Is not this the very attitude we
cringe about and hate in sighted people? That we don't always do things
the same way as sighted people so therefore we are considered different,
less capable, not worth befriending, hiring, etc.?

If we recognize in a blind person their struggle with using sight only
or predominantly, we need to introduce them to and encourage the
nonvisual skills many of us know are efficient and extremely helpful. I
have a friend refusing to use JAWS more often which is leading to
headaches when they study. Obviously they could benefit from learning
how to use screenreading software, but if adopt a superior attitude and
demean them just because things aren't clicking in their head, what
chance do I have of reaching them? Do any of you want to do things when
you feel stupid and are treated rudely? No, so we need to follow that
golden rule of treating others as you want to be treated. We still
challenge, but we change our tone.

Our affiliate has a very well respected board member who does a ton to
help the Federation. They do not use alternative skills since they still
have quite a bit of useable vision. This person does not use a cane,
uses magnification over screenreaders when necessary, reads print
instead of Braille, and yet, they have a great attitude about blindness
and are in the upper echelons of our affiliate.

I have another friend with quite a bit of useable vision but they choose
to use nonvisual skills predominently. Braille, white cane, JAWS- the
whole nine-yards. They use their vision if necessary, and of course,
sight is an instinct, so those who have it, or some of it, use it
whether they want or not, but this person chooses to rely on nonvisual
skills and methods most of the time.

My own husband once served on our affiliate board and has served in many
capacities in our chapter. He's a "partial," who uses a combination of
nonvisual tools and sight. He always has his cane and uses it, but he
switches between JAWS and magnification, though he uses JAWS more. If he
can see something with his bare eyes, he does, though he uses Braille.

Obviously the Federation has no problem with sight and using sight. All
are efficient, well-educated, great people who have adopted positive
attitudes about blindness. Yes, I know this can be a slippery slope, but
how we can we judge? How can we say someone is "better" for the type of
tools and methods they use, or don't use?

Kerri, I don't know your friend. Perhaps some nonvisual techniques could
benefit them, maybe not. It's not my call to make. As long as they are
being independent, striving to accomplish their goals, living life, is
not this our point? To be active, independent people. Turning people off
by our attitudes is not an effective way to change their minds about
blindness and join our organization. We need to pause and think before
leaping to conclusions and judgments about people. And if they don't
automatically hop onto certain ways of thinking about blindness, or
immediately seek training and nonvisual techniques, we don't leave them
out in the cold, writing them off. Mentoring is not a temp job, it's for
life, though certainly at some point our mentees should be able to act
as mentors, but we need to foster continued circles of support and
encouragement if we wish people to adapt to a Federation philosophy and
want to join our organization.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:18:43 -0500
From: Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of
	the	blind?
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Hi Bridget and Others:

Thanks so much for writing such a thoughtful message Bridget. This
really hit home with me. I currently know a very successful lady who
used to live in my town but now lives in Washington DC. I consider her
to be very independent and to me she lives her life the way I feel our
philosophy encourages blind people to be. She is not totally blind;she
is visually impaired. She has glaucoma and right now medicine controls
it but she could someday lose her vision. When she was in high school
she was a member of the chapter that was once in this area. She told me
that the people were very nice but she was very pressured to use a cane,
possibly get a dog, and go to one of our training centers. She said she
felt very pressured and did not understand why she was being asked to do
these things when she had decent vision. She says now as an adult she
knows how to handle it but back then she didn't know how to handle this
so she decided to quit. I have tried to tell her many times how the
federation has changed and influanced my life for the better and she
said maybe at some point she would possibly reconsider joining but right
now she neither has the time or desire. I really wish she would join
because I think she would be a huge asset to the organization and I love
how she does not let her blindness stop her. I believe she may even have
a doctorate. I know she holds at least one Master's degree and practices
psychology at several places in the DC area and teaches psychology in a
college in Virginia. I wish she would join but I have to accept she does
not want to right now. I have no right to treat her any differently
because she won't join. If we treat those who do not wish to join us
differently or we hold a superior attitude to those who do not want to
join us this will turn them away from ever considering joining. All we
can do is encourage. When I was younger I held many misconceptions about
the federation and did not believe at all in joining an organization of
blind people. What was the point? I lived my life. I didn't need blind
people. I have since changed my views and think it is very important to
be in an organization for the blind. It not only changed my life, but it
makes me think about what my beliefs about blindness are. It has given
me many social opportunities and a whole network of people to help me
solve problems, support, and encourage me. I wish every blind and
visually impaired person would join this organization because that would
expand our network of blind people and make the organization stronger
but unfortunately this will not happen. I am pretty active in my state
affiliate but I do not make the federation my life or believe in every
decision or policy the federation makes. I believe this is taking an
organization way to far and making it your whole life is silly. I
certainly believe in the federation and consider myself a pretty active
member but I do not make it my whole life.

Just my opinions/thoughts.
Kerri


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From metalgod1030 at inbox.com  Sat Jan 21 19:59:52 2012
From: metalgod1030 at inbox.com (Alexander Kaiser)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:59:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] question about accessibility of sam 2010 assessment,
	projects, and training V2.0 First edition
Message-ID: <CF241C73C18E4A0A954BC7C47664F678@1x3pqn1>

Dear List,
Hi this is Alex Kaiser a Computer applications student at Union County College in my spring 2012 semester. I have a question for all list subscribers. Is sam 2010 assessment, projects, and training V2.0 First edition accessible with Jaws 13.0. I am getting a jaws upgrade from jaws 11.0 to Jaws 13.0 from My New Jersey Commission for the Blind and Visually Impaired college Vocational Rehabilitation councilor. I just Need to know because I am required to use sam 2010 assessment, projects, and training V2.0 First edition for my introduction to Computer Applications course because my professor requires its use for the course material. Please let me know about the accessibility of sam 2010 assessment, projects, and training V2.0 First edition and if there are any accessibility features in the software that enable jaws users to access the program. You can email me off list at AScottKaiser90 at inbox.com. Thank you for your time and Consideration
Sincerely,
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 22:05:27 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:05:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] latest on the Fair Wages for Workers with
	DisabilitiesAct
Message-ID: <4f1b36da.49cee00a.5989.7a0d@mx.google.com>

Wow, what a day! Thank you for the update!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:04:21 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] latest on the Fair Wages for Workers with 
DisabilitiesAct

Dear Chris and Josh,

The Fair Wages issue was never discussed at Annapolis Day and I 
didn't
ask anyone about it.  We were so busy trying to work on the 
current
issues that I kind of forgot about the wage issue.

In short, everyone was put into groups of four or five and we 
went
around to 20 or so offices and talked to the senators and other 
people
who worked in the individual offices.

I was put into a group that had Mark Riccabono as the leader, 
what a
group leader.  During one of the last visits Mark had the idea 
that I
should do the talking to one of the senators.  Well I kind of 
messed it
up and kind of got some of the facts about one of the bills 
wrong.
This mistake on my part became the group joke and I was 
frequently
reminded about this mistake for the rest of the night.

Overall, all of the senators we saw were very supportive of the 
bills.
However, some groups faced lots of opposition and rejection.  
Some
groups had it so bad that the senators didn't even listen to them 
and
stated that they had very little interest in helping the NFB of
Maryland.  One guy said something like, "I have five other 
appointments
and tasks to do and I can't listen to you right now."

I hope this helps you understand what when on yesterday.
Sincerely,
Nathan Clark

On 1/18/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Awesome!
 Thanks, Nathan.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/18/12, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
 Dear Chris and Josh,
 I am going to Annapolis Day on Thursday and I will ask Sharon 
Maneki
 and ask her what is up with it.


 Sincerely,
 Nathan Clark

 On 1/18/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> 
wrote:
 Thanks, Chris.
 We all need to be in the know, about this.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,

 I haven't heard any other news on the Fair Wages for Workers 
with
 Disabilities Act since the last email about it was sent to all
 the lists.  We'll probably hear more about it after Washington
 Seminar.  In the mean time, I'd keep track of the NFB Web site
 (there's a "what's new" section right on the homepage with NFB
 news" and the Braille Monitor.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:57:56 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an 
organization
 of theblind?

 That was my point.
 Thanks, Aubrie, for shedding more light on it.
 BTW, speaking of civil rights for the blind, can someone start a
 thread, on the latest on the Fair Wages Act?
 That is one reason, why people should join the organizations, 
for
 legislative benefits.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/16/12, Aubrie Lucas <aubielynn at gmail.com> wrote:
  Haven't minorities trying to achieve goals often banded
 together? (NAACP,
  NAWSA, for examples.)

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
 [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
  Of Chris Nusbaum
  Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:37 PM
  To: NFB Talk List; NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
  Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization 
of
 the blind?

  Fellow Federationists,

  As I have become more and more active in the blind community 
and
  have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of
 blind
  people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind,
 for
  one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
  political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they 
don't
  want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't 
agree
  with either organization's philosophy and don't want to 
identify
  themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
  there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
  value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
  organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network 
of
  resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
  have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that
 if
  they had any problems, being a part of an organization would
 help
  them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
  advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
  don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
  get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
  important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of
 what
  benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
  people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
  don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
  sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
  blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
  want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
  (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of 
organization
  exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
  blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
  responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
  thoughts on this!
  Thanks,

  Chris

  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  
The
  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
  nuisance."
  -- Kenneth Jernigan

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 22:05:57 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:05:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
Message-ID: <4f1b36f8.516fe00a.3335.79a6@mx.google.com>

Right on! I'm having problems with my school system funding my 
training at BISM this summer, and am thinking of getting an NFB 
national advocate up here to chew this school system guy's butt! 
I mean, I live like 45 minutes away from the national center, so 
we can get a national advocate up here in no time! BTW, if you 
guys are having any problems and want to contact a national 
advocate, contact me; I've got connections! * Smile! Many of the 
national center people are in our affiliate, so I see them at our 
events and have their contact info; they know me and I know them, 
which means I might be able to help with your advocating.  Just 
making an offer...

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:06:03 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Hello Ashley and all:

This is so awful.  I think these experiences are and can always 
occur
anywhere in this nation with blind students going to college.  
I'm not sure
if this could be possible but whenever someone has those sad and 
bad
inaccessible experiences in college, they should:
1.  talk to the DSS director or dean of students,  and if not 
working,
2.  they should bring in the VR counselor with the DSS people at 
the college
and discuss these issues, and if that doesn't work,
3.  bring in an advocate at the state or local level government 
who can
explain the ADA and tell them how they are not providing the 
information and
services to a blind student(s) that should be provided by law, 
and if that
does not work,
4.  bring in an advocate from the National Federation of the 
Blind who can
really chew their butt! Like maybe, the state or chapter 
president and/or
maybe even more powerful, a national advocate.  And if 
applicable, if the
school is still not doing the job, he can sue the school on 
behalf of the
NFB.

Just my idea on this.  But, in the end, we must stop colleges and
universities from not providing the services like accessible 
textbooks and
web sites and even well brailled classroom doors.  This is 
completely nuts.
If we want change, we must take action now.



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:53 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

That's sad!
My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it 
won't
say who the instructor is.
The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, 
either.
It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors 
may
use the same room.
They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead of
"Classroom."
I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Hi all,

 Just want to vent.  My school doesn't seem very accomodating and 
they're
the
 largest community college in the commonwealth.  Yo They got over 
five
 campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.

 I'm just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and 
figured
 extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work.  No 
one's hiring
 so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.

 First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any 
texts.  I am
 still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member 
can read
 meanwhile til I find a reader at school.  If the publisher won't 
give us
the
 e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!

 Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before.  The 
instructor
 wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me 
the
steps.
 Hmm.  Maybe I need a laptop.  But I hate the idea of lugging the 
thing
around!
 They tell us they don't have enough licenses; um how absurd.  
They need
lots
 of them.  what if another blind student needs jaws in a 
classroom lab?

 Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource 
to get it
 brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to 
braille
 tests!

 Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff 
and
 counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks.  I bet 
its not ADA
 compliant.  I don't know though.  Its certainly confusing for a 
blind
 traveler.  Sighted people get lost until they've been there a 
lot since its
 not laid out well.

 Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class 
too.
 Publishers need to get with the program!

 Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 22:06:01 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:06:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
Message-ID: <4f1b36fd.516fe00a.3335.79a9@mx.google.com>

Reminds me of a quote from the song Brailleg Signs is Cool to Do: 
"I need to find room 109, but this building has no Braille signs! 
We should give these folks a clue, that Brailleg signs is cool to 
do!"

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:57:50 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Our college is small, so different instructors may use the same 
room,
so putting the professor's name on the door, isn't an option.
Instead of "Classroom," or "Office," it should have the room 
number, in Braille.
The number is there, in print, so why not in Braille?
Instead of "Classroom," it should say this.
"B104," "C105," etc.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Humberton,
 Rehab is a joke; remember I'm a continuing ed student; so my 
rehab counselor
 is  concerned about getting me a job with a bachelors degree; 
she won't go
 to meetings with the school; not sure that is a good idea.  I 
mean rehab
 doesn't follow their own regulations of informed choice; that is 
why they
 fight with consumers about services.

 Now, I do want to bring in an advocate; my state president of 
nfb is busy
 and travels a lot.  So I might try a local advocate first.  I 
think I'll ask
 my local independent living center to help.  The centers for 
independent
 living deal with all people with disabilities.  Also I might 
contact my state
 reps in richmond.
 Chap peterson has been to nfb meetings here so he might be 
willing to help
 even though he represents the next district over.  Yes I will 
definitely
 contact my state officials.

 As for braille signs.  Um oh my, you got me started.  While we 
do have braille
 numbers, other important info is not in braille.  The 
professor's nname is
 not brailled! I remember waiting over ten minutes for my 
professor who ran
 late due to parking issues.  Someone finally came along and read 
me the phone
 number on the door! Then I called her.  Then she showed up three 
minutes
 later and appoligized for being late.  Well, I read her name 
since I have
 vision and confirmed I was indeed in the right place! But it 
wasn't easy.
 They could have at least put contrasting letters there for low 
vision
 students!
 Same with other signs.  Uh, gray letters on dark background 
isn't good for
 low vision people.

 Ashley



 -----Original Message-----
 From: Humberto Avila
 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:06 PM
 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

 Hello Ashley and all:

 This is so awful.  I think these experiences are and can always 
occur
 anywhere in this nation with blind students going to college.  
I'm not sure
 if this could be possible but whenever someone has those sad and 
bad
 inaccessible experiences in college, they should:
 1.  talk to the DSS director or dean of students,  and if not 
working,
 2.  they should bring in the VR counselor with the DSS people at 
the college
 and discuss these issues, and if that doesn't work,
 3.  bring in an advocate at the state or local level government 
who can
 explain the ADA and tell them how they are not providing the 
information and
 services to a blind student(s) that should be provided by law, 
and if that
 does not work,
 4.  bring in an advocate from the National Federation of the 
Blind who can
 really chew their butt! Like maybe, the state or chapter 
president and/or
 maybe even more powerful, a national advocate.  And if 
applicable, if the
 school is still not doing the job, he can sue the school on 
behalf of the
 NFB.

 Just my idea on this.  But, in the end, we must stop colleges 
and
 universities from not providing the services like accessible 
textbooks and
 web sites and even well brailled classroom doors.  This is 
completely nuts.
 If we want change, we must take action now.



 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
 Of Joshua Lester
 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:53 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

 That's sad!
 My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
 The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it 
won't
 say who the instructor is.
 The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, 
either.
 It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
 The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors 
may
 use the same room.
 They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead 
of
 "Classroom."
 I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Hi all,

 Just want to vent.  My school doesn't seem very accomodating and 
they're
 the
 largest community college in the commonwealth.  Yo They got over 
five
 campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.

 I'm just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and 
figured
 extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work.  No 
one's hiring
 so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.

 First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any 
texts.  I am
 still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member 
can read
 meanwhile til I find a reader at school.  If the publisher won't 
give us
 the
 e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!

 Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before.  The 
instructor
 wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me 
the
 steps.
 Hmm.  Maybe I need a laptop.  But I hate the idea of lugging the 
thing
 around!
 They tell us they don't have enough licenses; um how absurd.  
They need
 lots
 of them.  what if another blind student needs jaws in a 
classroom lab?

 Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource 
to get it
 brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to 
braille
 tests!

 Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff 
and
 counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks.  I bet 
its not ADA
 compliant.  I don't know though.  Its certainly confusing for a 
blind
 traveler.  Sighted people get lost until they've been there a 
lot since its
 not laid out well.

 Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class 
too.
 Publishers need to get with the program!

 Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 22:05:58 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:05:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
Message-ID: <4f1b36fa.516fe00a.3335.79a8@mx.google.com>

Hey=20Jeff,

If=20you=20need=20to=20vent=20on=20something=20like=20this,=20this=20list=20=
is=20the=20
place=20to=20do=20it!=20:)=20You're=20talking=20with=20people=20who=20total=
ly=20
understand=20what=20you're=20frustrated=20about!=20BTW,=20what=20is=20your=
=20Skype=20
name?=20I'd=20love=20to=20add=20you!

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20jeff=20crouch=20<jeffanel at gmail.com
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2020=20Jan=202012=2015:46:48=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accomodating

Well=20i=20wish=20it=20was=20just=20as=20easy=20to=20talk=20to=20the=20scho=
ol,=20but=20in=20
flint=20MI
money=20is=20so=20so=20tite,=20and=20the=20sad=20thing=20is=20that=20they=20=
have=20all=20the=20
money
to=20fix=20the=20parking=20lot=20and=20the=20roof,=20but=20they=20can't=20e=
ven=20comply=20
with
the=20braille=20signage,=20i=20mean=20there=20almost=2022=20years=20late,=20=
it=20would=20
be
like=20turning=20in=20a=20asignment=20almost=2022=20years=20late,=20and=20y=
ou=20would=20
get=20a
grade=20of=20an=20(e),=20if=20my=20school=20was=20graded=20on=20the=20acces=
sibility,=20
they
would=20fail=20hands=20down.=20=20I=20am=20trying=20to=20get=20this=20probl=
em=20resolved,
because=20were=20getting=20some=20new=207th=20graders=20in=20and=20for=20pe=
et=20sake,=20
how
are=20they=20going=20to=20find=20there=20classes,=20and=20one=20of=20the=20=
men's=20
bathroom
signs=20are=206=20feet=20or=20more=20above=20the=20ground.=20=20This=20is=20=
out=20raging.=20=20
Sorry
to=20vent=20like=20this,=20but=20this=20is=20something=20that=20need's=20to=
=20be=20taken=20
care
of.

thanks=20all

with=20love
jeff=20crouch

On=201/20/12,=20Gloria=20G=20<gloria.graves at gmail.com>=20wrote:
=20Hi,
=20I=20am=20first=20sorry=20for=20the=20trouble=20you=20are=20having=20to=20=
deal=20with.=20=20I=20
had=20a=20friend
=20in=20Nabraska=20who=20had=20the=20same=20issue=20with=20rooms=20througho=
ut=20the=20
school=20not
=20being=20labeled=20and=20she=20talked=20to=20someone=20in=20her=20school=
=20and=20things=20
got=20worked
=20on
=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Friday,=20January=2020,=202012=201:14=20PM
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accomodating


=20Hi=20all,

=20Just=20want=20to=20vent.=20=20My=20school=20doesn=92t=20seem=20very=20ac=
comodating=20and=20
they=92re
=20the=20largest=20community=20college=20in=20the=20commonwealth.=20=20Yo=20=
They=20got=20
over=20five
=20campuses=20and=20you=20can=20read=20about=20at=20www.nvcc.edu.

=20I=92m=20just=20taking=20further=20classes=20to=20get=20a=20writing=20cer=
tificate=20and=20
figured
=20extra=20knowledge=20will=20enhance=20my=20resume=20as=20I=20look=20for=20=
work.=20=20No=20
one=92s=20hiring

=20so=20it=20will=20be=20a=20whwile;=20might=20as=20well=20learn=20more.

=20First,=20my=20disability=20service=20office,=20DSO,=20does=20not=20scan=
=20any=20
texts.=20=20I=20am
=20still=20waiting=20for=20electronic=20text;=20fortunately,=20a=20family=20=
member=20
can=20read
=20meanwhile=20til=20I=20find=20a=20reader=20at=20school.=20=20If=20the=20p=
ublisher=20won=92t=20
give=20us
=20the=20e-book,=20they=20likely=20never=20will;=20I=20mean=20its=20been=20=
two=20weeks!

=20Second,=20I=20am=20taking=20that=20It=20class=20as=20I=20mentioned=20bef=
ore.=20=20The=20
instructor
=20wanted=20jaws=20installed=20in=20her=20office=20because=20she=20needs=20=
to=20show=20me=20
the
=20steps.=20=20Hmm.=20=20Maybe=20I=20need=20a=20laptop.=20=20But=20I=20hate=
=20the=20idea=20of=20
lugging=20the
=20thing=20around!
=20They=20tell=20us=20they=20don=92t=20have=20enough=20licenses;=20um=20how=
=20absurd.=20=20
They=20need
=20lots=20of=20them.=20=20what=20if=20another=20blind=20student=20needs=20j=
aws=20in=20a=20
classroom=20lab?

=20Third,=20they=20cannot=20braille=20tests;=20at=20least=20they=20will=20o=
utsource=20
to=20get=20it
=20brailled=20though;=20just=20seems=20like=20a=20large=20school=20would=20=
be=20able=20to=20
braille
=20tests!

=20Fourth,=20this=20new=20building=20which=20holds=20the=20student=20servic=
e=20stuff=20
and
=20counseling=20center=20is=20very=20open=20few=20halls,=20few=20landmarks.=
=20=20I=20bet=20
its=20not=20ADA

=20compliant.=20=20I=20don=92t=20know=20though.=20=20Its=20certainly=20conf=
using=20for=20a=20
blind
=20traveler.=20=20Sighted=20people=20get=20lost=20until=20they=92ve=20been=
=20there=20a=20
lot=20since=20its

=20not=20laid=20out=20well.

=20Not=20to=20mention=20the=20inaccessible=20website=20and=20CD=20for=20the=
=20IT=20class=20
too.
=20Publishers=20need=20to=20get=20with=20the=20program!

=20Ashley
=20_______________________________________________
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ccount=20
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kd8qiq
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 22:09:48 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:09:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
In-Reply-To: <4f1aece8.87bfe00a.5f52.35f4@mx.google.com>
References: <4f1aece8.87bfe00a.5f52.35f4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4D1876BEEAB94F3A8951FB17B9417DC7@OwnerPC>

gosh, kids are losing social skills. What about actually picking up a phone 
and talking? what a concept! if more did that, accessible of these open 
somewhat unsafe social sites would not be such a issue.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:49 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hi Katie,

My circle of friends is like yours; most of them use either
Google Chat, Facebook Chat, or Skype.  Is Facebook chat
accessible? I know it doesn't work on the BrailleNote, unless you
use a third-party Web site called eBuddy.  But is
it accessible with JAWS?
Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:05:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hi Chris,
I have heard of Miranda but it appears to be a little tedious to
set
up, so given that I still find AIM relatively usable (see my
previous
post) I decided that it's not really worth my effort at this
point.  I
have heard that it works really well with JAWS once it is
configured
properly though, so feel free to give it a try if you are feeling
technologically adventurous!
To answer your other question, I don't believe that the gchat
program
can be configured to connect with AIM.  I don't know about your
circle
of friends, but from my personal experience I have found that AIM
has
somewhat fallen out of favor; most people I know use Google or
Facebook Chat instead.  I mainly use AIM as a way to access the
other
IM clients on my PC, which are not as accessible.  If you do have
friends who are AIM users, I would encourage you to give the
program a
try-- It's not perfect but really shouldn't disappoint too much!
Katie


On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Katie,

I have heard of people using AIM with a chat client called
Miranda, which apparently makes AIM and other chat services more
accessible with JAWS.  Also, a question: you said that the
latest
version of AIM enables you to connect to Google or Facebook
chat.
So will this work the other way around; can I chat with somebody
using AIM by using Google Chat on my BrailleNote?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hi Patrick,
AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall
user-friendly,
intuitive interface.  Its most recent version (7.5, I believe)
also
allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a
great
feature since both of these popular IM  services are not
particularly
accessible.  While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking
incoming
messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does not
work
as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over to
the
Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in,
which
is a
little annoying but not too big of a deal.  Hope this helps!
Katie


On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
  Hey Guys,
  I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm
using
  Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12.  Any
tips/suggestions/help you
  can give me would be great.
  Thanks,
  Patrick

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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 22:13:44 2012
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:13:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
In-Reply-To: <4f1aece8.87bfe00a.5f52.35f4@mx.google.com>
References: <4f1aece8.87bfe00a.5f52.35f4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CA+6VNgM4AWsqfBu8a1dES_OCX2fwdG_KkgOba=0O=69_fw0vRA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris,
I haven't played around with Facebook Chat much so can't say this for
sure, but I think it is one of those things that is technically
accessible with JAWS but not particularly user-friendly. It is
definitely worth a try if you really want to use it though!
Katie


On 1/21/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Katie,
>
> My circle of friends is like yours; most of them use either
> Google Chat, Facebook Chat, or Skype.  Is Facebook chat
> accessible? I know it doesn't work on the BrailleNote, unless you
> use a third-party Web site called eBuddy.  But is
> it accessible with JAWS?
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:05:00 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>
> Hi Chris,
> I have heard of Miranda but it appears to be a little tedious to
> set
> up, so given that I still find AIM relatively usable (see my
> previous
> post) I decided that it's not really worth my effort at this
> point.  I
> have heard that it works really well with JAWS once it is
> configured
> properly though, so feel free to give it a try if you are feeling
> technologically adventurous!
> To answer your other question, I don't believe that the gchat
> program
> can be configured to connect with AIM.  I don't know about your
> circle
> of friends, but from my personal experience I have found that AIM
> has
> somewhat fallen out of favor; most people I know use Google or
> Facebook Chat instead.  I mainly use AIM as a way to access the
> other
> IM clients on my PC, which are not as accessible.  If you do have
> friends who are AIM users, I would encourage you to give the
> program a
> try-- It's not perfect but really shouldn't disappoint too much!
> Katie
>
>
> On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Hi Katie,
>
>  I have heard of people using AIM with a chat client called
>  Miranda, which apparently makes AIM and other chat services more
>  accessible with JAWS.  Also, a question: you said that the
> latest
>  version of AIM enables you to connect to Google or Facebook
> chat.
>  So will this work the other way around; can I chat with somebody
>  using AIM by using Google Chat on my BrailleNote?
>
>  Chris
>
>  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>  nuisance."
>  -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>
>  Hi Patrick,
>  AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall
>  user-friendly,
>  intuitive interface.  Its most recent version (7.5, I believe)
>  also
>  allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a
>  great
>  feature since both of these popular IM  services are not
>  particularly
>  accessible.  While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking
>  incoming
>  messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does not
>  work
>  as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over to
>  the
>  Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in,
> which
>  is a
>  little annoying but not too big of a deal.  Hope this helps!
>  Katie
>
>
>  On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>   Hey Guys,
>   I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm
>  using
>   Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12.  Any
>  tips/suggestions/help you
>   can give me would be great.
>   Thanks,
>   Patrick
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 22:53:46 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:53:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: [nfbmd] student award opportunity
Message-ID: <4f1b422e.45c3e00a.5dca.ffff81d2@mx.google.com>

FYI...

 ---- Original Message ------
From: "Reyazuddin, Yasmin" 
<Yasmin.Reyazuddin at montgomerycountymd.gov
Subject: [Nfbmd] Student Award Opportunity
Date sent: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:21:44 -0500

F YI



MGA is requesting applications for our annual student award.  The 
MGA
student award committee recognizes completed graduate student 
projects
that demonstrate innovative approaches to service delivery care 
which
support older people at home, in the community, or in 
institutional
care.  The graduate students must be from degree granting 
programs in
Maryland.  The application submission deadline is April 2, 2012.

Please see the attached document for further information and 
please
contact mdgero at gmail.com with any questions.

For information on our events and other educational and 
networking
opportunities, please check out our website at 
www.mdgerontology.org
<http://www.mdgerontology.org/> .  We welcome volunteers on our
committees and your input for our programs.

Thank you.


Sincerely,

Virginia M Thomas
President of MGA
410-992-7984
mdgero at gmail.com






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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 22:53:48 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:53:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
Message-ID: <4f1b4231.45c3e00a.5dca.ffff81d4@mx.google.com>

Welcome=20to=20the=20list=20Jeff!=20I=20think=20I've=20heard=20you=20on=20A=
udio=20Access=20
FM,=20right?=20:)=20You're=20also=20friends=20with=20Brandon=20right?=20I=20=
think=20
I've=20been=20in=20conference=20calls=20(on=20Skype)=20with=20you!

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20<jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2020=20Jan=202012=2015:34:50=20-0600
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accomodating

Welcome=20to=20this=20list!
Blessings,=20Joshua

On=201/20/12,=20jeff=20crouch=20<jeffanel at gmail.com>=20wrote:
=20yeah,=20oh,=20this=20is=20my=20first=20time=20on=20this=20bord,=20and=20=
i=20love=20it.=20=20
Wow=20i=20am
=20more=20active=20on=20hear=20then=20i=20am=20on=20the=20nfbmi=20list.=20=
=20lol,=20i=20can't=20
wait=20to
=20get=20to=20know=20you=20wonderful=20people,=20hey=20if=20you=20have=20sk=
ype=20feel=20
free=20to
=20add=20me,=20my=20screen=20name=20is
=20magic2127

=20have=20a=20good=20day
=20with=20love
=20jeff=20crouch

=20On=201/20/12,=20Jonathan=20Franks=20<franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com>=20wrot=
e:
=20I=20agree,=20you=20should=20keep=20talking=20to=20theschool.=20=20Also,=
=20if=20you=20get=20
more
=20people
=20to=20talk=20to=20the=20school=20on=20the=20issue,=20the=20school=20will=
=20be=20more=20
likely=20to=20the
=20problem.=20=20My=20suggestion=20is=20to=20go=20out=20and=20talk=20to=20y=
our=20friends=20
and=20peers=20and
=20let=20them=20know=20about=20the=20issue,=20advocating=20is=20a=20good=20=
way=20to=20solve=20
a=20problem
=20or=20come=20up=20with=20solutions.=20=20Good=20luck.

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Jan=2020,=202012,=20at=202:25=20PM,=20"Gloria=20G"=20
<gloria.graves at gmail.com>=20wrote:

=20Hi,
=20I=20am=20first=20sorry=20for=20the=20trouble=20you=20are=20having=20to=20=
deal=20with.=20=20I=20
had=20a
=20friend=20in=20Nabraska=20who=20had=20the=20same=20issue=20with=20rooms=20=
throughout=20
the
=20school
=20not=20being=20labeled=20and=20she=20talked=20to=20someone=20in=20her=20s=
chool=20and=20
things=20got
=20worked=20on
=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"
=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Friday,=20January=2020,=202012=201:14=20PM
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accomodating


=20Hi=20all,

=20Just=20want=20to=20vent.=20=20My=20school=20doesn=92t=20seem=20very=20ac=
comodating=20and=20
they=92re
=20the=20largest=20community=20college=20in=20the=20commonwealth.=20=20Yo=20=
They=20got=20
over=20five
=20campuses=20and=20you=20can=20read=20about=20at=20www.nvcc.edu.

=20I=92m=20just=20taking=20further=20classes=20to=20get=20a=20writing=20cer=
tificate=20and=20
figured
=20extra=20knowledge=20will=20enhance=20my=20resume=20as=20I=20look=20for=20=
work.=20=20No=20
one=92s
=20hiring=20so=20it=20will=20be=20a=20whwile;=20might=20as=20well=20learn=20=
more.

=20First,=20my=20disability=20service=20office,=20DSO,=20does=20not=20scan=
=20any=20
texts.=20=20I=20am
=20still=20waiting=20for=20electronic=20text;=20fortunately,=20a=20family=20=
member=20
can=20read
=20meanwhile=20til=20I=20find=20a=20reader=20at=20school.=20=20If=20the=20p=
ublisher=20won=92t=20
give=20us
=20the=20e-book,=20they=20likely=20never=20will;=20I=20mean=20its=20been=20=
two=20weeks!

=20Second,=20I=20am=20taking=20that=20It=20class=20as=20I=20mentioned=20bef=
ore.=20=20The=20
instructor
=20wanted=20jaws=20installed=20in=20her=20office=20because=20she=20needs=20=
to=20show=20me=20
the
=20steps.=20=20Hmm.=20=20Maybe=20I=20need=20a=20laptop.=20=20But=20I=20hate=
=20the=20idea=20of=20
lugging=20the
=20thing=20around!
=20They=20tell=20us=20they=20don=92t=20have=20enough=20licenses;=20um=20how=
=20absurd.=20=20
They=20need
=20lots=20of=20them.=20=20what=20if=20another=20blind=20student=20needs=20j=
aws=20in=20a=20
classroom
=20lab?

=20Third,=20they=20cannot=20braille=20tests;=20at=20least=20they=20will=20o=
utsource=20
to=20get=20it
=20brailled=20though;=20just=20seems=20like=20a=20large=20school=20would=20=
be=20able=20to=20
braille
=20tests!

=20Fourth,=20this=20new=20building=20which=20holds=20the=20student=20servic=
e=20stuff=20
and
=20counseling=20center=20is=20very=20open=20few=20halls,=20few=20landmarks.=
=20=20I=20bet=20
its=20not
=20ADA=20compliant.=20=20I=20don=92t=20know=20though.=20=20Its=20certainly=
=20confusing=20
for=20a=20blind
=20traveler.=20=20Sighted=20people=20get=20lost=20until=20they=92ve=20been=
=20there=20a=20
lot=20since
=20its=20not=20laid=20out=20well.

=20Not=20to=20mention=20the=20inaccessible=20website=20and=20CD=20for=20the=
=20IT=20class=20
too.
=20Publishers=20need=20to=20get=20with=20the=20program!

=20Ashley
=20_______________________________________________
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=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 22:53:55 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:53:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
Message-ID: <4f1b4237.45c3e00a.5dca.ffff81d7@mx.google.com>

RFBD?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:29:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

IMO  they should braille the names of employees including 
professors.  But
that is the least of my problems.
The school does not scan books; they do not have a bookshare 
membership.
They do not belong to access text, a database for schools to 
share books.

Gee.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

The offices shouldn't be a problem, and I agree there.
I just wish they'd put the room numbers, on the classrooms, in 
Braille.
The names of the employees, on their office doors, at my college
aren't Brailled, either, and that's also a problem.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Hi,
 Many professors use the same classroom, of course.  But I was 
refering to
 the
 office itself.  Most professors get an office assigned to them; 
some share
 with one other instructor; only adjunct instructors do not have 
their own
 office.  Full time faculty do.  So putting the professor's name 
would not be
 that hard.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:57 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

 Our college is small, so different instructors may use the same 
room,
 so putting the professor's name on the door, isn't an option.
 Instead of "Classroom," or "Office," it should have the room 
number, in
 Braille.
 The number is there, in print, so why not in Braille?
 Instead of "Classroom," it should say this.
 "B104," "C105," etc.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Humberton,
 Rehab is a joke; remember I'm a continuing ed student; so my 
rehab
 counselor
 is  concerned about getting me a job with a bachelors degree; 
she won't
 go
 to meetings with the school; not sure that is a good idea.  I 
mean rehab
 doesn't follow their own regulations of informed choice; that is 
why they
 fight with consumers about services.

 Now, I do want to bring in an advocate; my state president of 
nfb is busy
 and travels a lot.  So I might try a local advocate first.  I 
think I'll
 ask
 my local independent living center to help.  The centers for 
independent
 living deal with all people with disabilities.  Also I might 
contact my
 state
 reps in richmond.
 Chap peterson has been to nfb meetings here so he might be 
willing to
 help
 even though he represents the next district over.  Yes I will 
definitely
 contact my state officials.

 As for braille signs.  Um oh my, you got me started.  While we 
do have
 braille
 numbers, other important info is not in braille.  The 
professor's nname is
 not brailled! I remember waiting over ten minutes for my 
professor who
 ran
 late due to parking issues.  Someone finally came along and read 
me the
 phone
 number on the door! Then I called her.  Then she showed up three 
minutes
 later and appoligized for being late.  Well, I read her name 
since I have
 vision and confirmed I was indeed in the right place! But it 
wasn't easy.
 They could have at least put contrasting letters there for low 
vision
 students!
 Same with other signs.  Uh, gray letters on dark background 
isn't good for
 low vision people.

 Ashley



 -----Original Message-----
 From: Humberto Avila
 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 3:06 PM
 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

 Hello Ashley and all:

 This is so awful.  I think these experiences are and can always 
occur
 anywhere in this nation with blind students going to college.  
I'm not
 sure
 if this could be possible but whenever someone has those sad and 
bad
 inaccessible experiences in college, they should:
 1.  talk to the DSS director or dean of students,  and if not 
working,
 2.  they should bring in the VR counselor with the DSS people at 
the
 college
 and discuss these issues, and if that doesn't work,
 3.  bring in an advocate at the state or local level government 
who can
 explain the ADA and tell them how they are not providing the 
information
 and
 services to a blind student(s) that should be provided by law, 
and if
 that
 does not work,
 4.  bring in an advocate from the National Federation of the 
Blind who
 can
 really chew their butt! Like maybe, the state or chapter 
president and/or
 maybe even more powerful, a national advocate.  And if 
applicable, if the
 school is still not doing the job, he can sue the school on 
behalf of the
 NFB.

 Just my idea on this.  But, in the end, we must stop colleges 
and
 universities from not providing the services like accessible 
textbooks
 and
 web sites and even well brailled classroom doors.  This is 
completely
 nuts.
 If we want change, we must take action now.



 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf
 Of Joshua Lester
 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:53 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

 That's sad!
 My community college is awful at accomidating me, as well.
 The Braille signs only say, "Classroom," and "Office," but it 
won't
 say who the instructor is.
 The offices don't even have the employee's names on the door, 
either.
 It may, in Print, but not in Braille!
 The classrooms, I can understand, because different instructors 
may
 use the same room.
 They should, however, put the room number on the door, instead 
of
 "Classroom."
 I've asked my DSO about it, but they won't do anything.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Hi all,

 Just want to vent.  My school doesn't seem very accomodating and 
they're
 the
 largest community college in the commonwealth.  Yo They got over 
five
 campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.

 I'm just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and 
figured
 extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work.  No 
one's
 hiring
 so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.

 First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any 
texts.  I am
 still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member 
can read
 meanwhile til I find a reader at school.  If the publisher won't 
give us
 the
 e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!

 Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before.  The 
instructor
 wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me 
the
 steps.
 Hmm.  Maybe I need a laptop.  But I hate the idea of lugging the 
thing
 around!
 They tell us they don't have enough licenses; um how absurd.  
They need
 lots
 of them.  what if another blind student needs jaws in a 
classroom lab?

 Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource 
to get it
 brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to 
braille
 tests!

 Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff 
and
 counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks.  I bet 
its not
 ADA
 compliant.  I don't know though.  Its certainly confusing for a 
blind
 traveler.  Sighted people get lost until they've been there a 
lot since
 its
 not laid out well.

 Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class 
too.
 Publishers need to get with the program!

 Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 22:53:57 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:53:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
Message-ID: <4f1b4239.45c3e00a.5dca.ffff81d9@mx.google.com>

He=20can=20advocate=20himself=20as=20well!=20I=20do=20it=20all=20the=20time=
=20and=20I'm=20in=20
8th=20grade.

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2020=20Jan=202012=2017:34:45=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accomodating

Jeff,
You=20have=20more=20rights=20if=20you=20are=20in=20middle=20or=20high=20sch=
ool,=20which=20I=20
think=20you
are!=20Under=20the=20Individuals=20with=20disabilities=20education=20Act,=20=
idea,=20
you=20have=20a
right=20to=20a=20free=20and=20appropriate=20education.
And=20your=20parents=20should=20advocate=20for=20braille=20signs=20and=20wh=
atever
accomodations=20are=20needed.


-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20jeff=20crouch
Sent:=20Friday,=20January=2020,=202012=204:31=20PM
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accomodating

yeah,=20oh,=20this=20is=20my=20first=20time=20on=20this=20bord,=20and=20i=20=
love=20it.=20=20Wow=20
i=20am
more=20active=20on=20hear=20then=20i=20am=20on=20the=20nfbmi=20list.=20=20l=
ol,=20i=20can't=20
wait=20to
get=20to=20know=20you=20wonderful=20people,=20hey=20if=20you=20have=20skype=
=20feel=20free=20
to
add=20me,=20my=20screen=20name=20is
magic2127

have=20a=20good=20day
with=20love
jeff=20crouch

On=201/20/12,=20Jonathan=20Franks=20<franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com>=20wrote:
=20I=20agree,=20you=20should=20keep=20talking=20to=20theschool.=20=20Also,=
=20if=20you=20get=20
more
=20people
=20to=20talk=20to=20the=20school=20on=20the=20issue,=20the=20school=20will=
=20be=20more=20
likely=20to=20the
=20problem.=20=20My=20suggestion=20is=20to=20go=20out=20and=20talk=20to=20y=
our=20friends=20
and=20peers=20and
=20let=20them=20know=20about=20the=20issue,=20advocating=20is=20a=20good=20=
way=20to=20solve=20
a=20problem
=20or=20come=20up=20with=20solutions.=20=20Good=20luck.

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Jan=2020,=202012,=20at=202:25=20PM,=20"Gloria=20G"=20
<gloria.graves at gmail.com>=20wrote:

=20Hi,
=20I=20am=20first=20sorry=20for=20the=20trouble=20you=20are=20having=20to=20=
deal=20with.=20=20I=20
had=20a
=20friend=20in=20Nabraska=20who=20had=20the=20same=20issue=20with=20rooms=20=
throughout=20
the
=20school
=20not=20being=20labeled=20and=20she=20talked=20to=20someone=20in=20her=20s=
chool=20and=20
things=20got
=20worked=20on
=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"
=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Friday,=20January=2020,=202012=201:14=20PM
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accomodating


=20Hi=20all,

=20Just=20want=20to=20vent.=20=20My=20school=20doesn=92t=20seem=20very=20ac=
comodating=20and=20
they=92re
=20the=20largest=20community=20college=20in=20the=20commonwealth.=20=20Yo=20=
They=20got=20
over=20five
=20campuses=20and=20you=20can=20read=20about=20at=20www.nvcc.edu.

=20I=92m=20just=20taking=20further=20classes=20to=20get=20a=20writing=20cer=
tificate=20and=20
figured
=20extra=20knowledge=20will=20enhance=20my=20resume=20as=20I=20look=20for=20=
work.=20=20No=20
one=92s
=20hiring=20so=20it=20will=20be=20a=20whwile;=20might=20as=20well=20learn=20=
more.

=20First,=20my=20disability=20service=20office,=20DSO,=20does=20not=20scan=
=20any=20
texts.=20=20I=20am
=20still=20waiting=20for=20electronic=20text;=20fortunately,=20a=20family=20=
member=20
can=20read
=20meanwhile=20til=20I=20find=20a=20reader=20at=20school.=20=20If=20the=20p=
ublisher=20won=92t=20
give=20us
=20the=20e-book,=20they=20likely=20never=20will;=20I=20mean=20its=20been=20=
two=20weeks!

=20Second,=20I=20am=20taking=20that=20It=20class=20as=20I=20mentioned=20bef=
ore.=20=20The=20
instructor
=20wanted=20jaws=20installed=20in=20her=20office=20because=20she=20needs=20=
to=20show=20me=20
the
=20steps.=20=20Hmm.=20=20Maybe=20I=20need=20a=20laptop.=20=20But=20I=20hate=
=20the=20idea=20of=20
lugging=20the
=20thing=20around!
=20They=20tell=20us=20they=20don=92t=20have=20enough=20licenses;=20um=20how=
=20absurd.=20=20
They=20need
=20lots=20of=20them.=20=20what=20if=20another=20blind=20student=20needs=20j=
aws=20in=20a=20
classroom
=20lab?

=20Third,=20they=20cannot=20braille=20tests;=20at=20least=20they=20will=20o=
utsource=20
to=20get=20it
=20brailled=20though;=20just=20seems=20like=20a=20large=20school=20would=20=
be=20able=20to=20
braille
=20tests!

=20Fourth,=20this=20new=20building=20which=20holds=20the=20student=20servic=
e=20stuff=20
and
=20counseling=20center=20is=20very=20open=20few=20halls,=20few=20landmarks.=
=20=20I=20bet=20
its=20not
=20ADA=20compliant.=20=20I=20don=92t=20know=20though.=20=20Its=20certainly=
=20confusing=20
for=20a=20blind
=20traveler.=20=20Sighted=20people=20get=20lost=20until=20they=92ve=20been=
=20there=20a=20
lot=20since
=20its=20not=20laid=20out=20well.

=20Not=20to=20mention=20the=20inaccessible=20website=20and=20CD=20for=20the=
=20IT=20class=20
too.
=20Publishers=20need=20to=20get=20with=20the=20program!

=20Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 22:54:00 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:54:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
Message-ID: <4f1b423c.45c3e00a.5dca.ffff81da@mx.google.com>

Oh=20cool!=20So=20am=20I!

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20jeff=20crouch=20<jeffanel at gmail.com
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2020=20Jan=202012=2017:58:08=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accomodating

yes,=20i=20am=20in=208th=20grade.=20=20I=20am=20very=20formiller=20with=20t=
he=20ada=20and=20the=20
idea.
I=20like=20studying=20stuff=20like=20this.

On=201/20/12,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>=20wrote:
=20Jeff,
=20You=20have=20more=20rights=20if=20you=20are=20in=20middle=20or=20high=20=
school,=20which=20
I=20think=20you
=20are!=20Under=20the=20Individuals=20with=20disabilities=20education=20Act=
,=20
idea,=20you=20have=20a
=20right=20to=20a=20free=20and=20appropriate=20education.
=20And=20your=20parents=20should=20advocate=20for=20braille=20signs=20and=20=
whatever
=20accomodations=20are=20needed.


=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20jeff=20crouch
=20Sent:=20Friday,=20January=2020,=202012=204:31=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accomodating

=20yeah,=20oh,=20this=20is=20my=20first=20time=20on=20this=20bord,=20and=20=
i=20love=20it.=20=20
Wow=20i=20am
=20more=20active=20on=20hear=20then=20i=20am=20on=20the=20nfbmi=20list.=20=
=20lol,=20i=20can't=20
wait=20to
=20get=20to=20know=20you=20wonderful=20people,=20hey=20if=20you=20have=20sk=
ype=20feel=20
free=20to
=20add=20me,=20my=20screen=20name=20is
=20magic2127

=20have=20a=20good=20day
=20with=20love
=20jeff=20crouch

=20On=201/20/12,=20Jonathan=20Franks=20<franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com>=20wrot=
e:
=20I=20agree,=20you=20should=20keep=20talking=20to=20theschool.=20=20Also,=
=20if=20you=20get=20
more
=20people
=20to=20talk=20to=20the=20school=20on=20the=20issue,=20the=20school=20will=
=20be=20more=20
likely=20to=20the
=20problem.=20=20My=20suggestion=20is=20to=20go=20out=20and=20talk=20to=20y=
our=20friends=20
and=20peers=20and
=20let=20them=20know=20about=20the=20issue,=20advocating=20is=20a=20good=20=
way=20to=20solve=20
a=20problem
=20or=20come=20up=20with=20solutions.=20=20Good=20luck.

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Jan=2020,=202012,=20at=202:25=20PM,=20"Gloria=20G"=20
<gloria.graves at gmail.com>=20wrote:

=20Hi,
=20I=20am=20first=20sorry=20for=20the=20trouble=20you=20are=20having=20to=20=
deal=20with.=20=20I=20
had=20a
=20friend=20in=20Nabraska=20who=20had=20the=20same=20issue=20with=20rooms=20=
throughout=20
the
=20school
=20not=20being=20labeled=20and=20she=20talked=20to=20someone=20in=20her=20s=
chool=20and=20
things=20got
=20worked=20on
=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"
=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Friday,=20January=2020,=202012=201:14=20PM
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accomodating


=20Hi=20all,

=20Just=20want=20to=20vent.=20=20My=20school=20doesn=92t=20seem=20very=20ac=
comodating=20and=20
they=92re
=20the=20largest=20community=20college=20in=20the=20commonwealth.=20=20Yo=20=
They=20got=20
over=20five
=20campuses=20and=20you=20can=20read=20about=20at=20www.nvcc.edu.

=20I=92m=20just=20taking=20further=20classes=20to=20get=20a=20writing=20cer=
tificate=20and=20
figured
=20extra=20knowledge=20will=20enhance=20my=20resume=20as=20I=20look=20for=20=
work.=20=20No=20
one=92s
=20hiring=20so=20it=20will=20be=20a=20whwile;=20might=20as=20well=20learn=20=
more.

=20First,=20my=20disability=20service=20office,=20DSO,=20does=20not=20scan=
=20any=20
texts.=20=20I=20am
=20still=20waiting=20for=20electronic=20text;=20fortunately,=20a=20family=20=
member=20
can=20read
=20meanwhile=20til=20I=20find=20a=20reader=20at=20school.=20=20If=20the=20p=
ublisher=20won=92t=20
give=20us
=20the=20e-book,=20they=20likely=20never=20will;=20I=20mean=20its=20been=20=
two=20weeks!

=20Second,=20I=20am=20taking=20that=20It=20class=20as=20I=20mentioned=20bef=
ore.=20=20The=20
instructor
=20wanted=20jaws=20installed=20in=20her=20office=20because=20she=20needs=20=
to=20show=20me=20
the
=20steps.=20=20Hmm.=20=20Maybe=20I=20need=20a=20laptop.=20=20But=20I=20hate=
=20the=20idea=20of=20
lugging=20the
=20thing=20around!
=20They=20tell=20us=20they=20don=92t=20have=20enough=20licenses;=20um=20how=
=20absurd.=20=20
They=20need
=20lots=20of=20them.=20=20what=20if=20another=20blind=20student=20needs=20j=
aws=20in=20a=20
classroom
=20lab?

=20Third,=20they=20cannot=20braille=20tests;=20at=20least=20they=20will=20o=
utsource=20
to=20get=20it
=20brailled=20though;=20just=20seems=20like=20a=20large=20school=20would=20=
be=20able=20to=20
braille
=20tests!

=20Fourth,=20this=20new=20building=20which=20holds=20the=20student=20servic=
e=20stuff=20
and
=20counseling=20center=20is=20very=20open=20few=20halls,=20few=20landmarks.=
=20=20I=20bet=20
its=20not
=20ADA=20compliant.=20=20I=20don=92t=20know=20though.=20=20Its=20certainly=
=20confusing=20
for=20a=20blind
=20traveler.=20=20Sighted=20people=20get=20lost=20until=20they=92ve=20been=
=20there=20a=20
lot=20since
=20its=20not=20laid=20out=20well.

=20Not=20to=20mention=20the=20inaccessible=20website=20and=20CD=20for=20the=
=20IT=20class=20
too.
=20Publishers=20need=20to=20get=20with=20the=20program!

=20Ashley
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 23:23:17 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:23:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
Message-ID: <4f1b490b.1245e70a.3572.64d9@mx.google.com>

Hi, all.
Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is 
accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and 
he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?  
Answers, please?
Beth


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 23:35:30 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:35:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
In-Reply-To: <4f1b490b.1245e70a.3572.64d9@mx.google.com>
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Here we go again. Four years ago when I took math it was not. but I heard it 
improved.
If it uses flash as it used to, no it is not accessible. If its more text 
based, then yes.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:23 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Hi, all.
Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is
accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and
he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?
Answers, please?
Beth

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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 23:40:41 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:40:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
Message-ID: <4f1b4d1f.4f2de70a.6cc5.7a7a@mx.google.com>

Thanks, Ashley.  Does anyone else who is currently in a math 
course know if MyMathLab is accessible?  That's interesting, 
Ashley.  My friend is using JAWS 13 I believe, but I'm not sure.  
He's also using Windows 7.  You guys have my permission to 
forwadrd my initial email to the Electronics or Math lists.  
Whichever lists might help.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:35:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Here we go again. Four years ago when I took math it was not. but 
I heard it
improved.
If it uses flash as it used to, no it is not accessible. If its 
more text
based, then yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:23 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Hi, all.
Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is
accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and
he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?
Answers, please?
Beth

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From anjelinac26 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 23:44:55 2012
From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:44:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
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I'm currently using My Math lab and it so far seems accessible. I'm using 
JAWS 13 with Windows 7

-----Original Message----- 
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:40 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Thanks, Ashley.  Does anyone else who is currently in a math
course know if MyMathLab is accessible?  That's interesting,
Ashley.  My friend is using JAWS 13 I believe, but I'm not sure.
He's also using Windows 7.  You guys have my permission to
forwadrd my initial email to the Electronics or Math lists.
Whichever lists might help.
Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:35:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Here we go again. Four years ago when I took math it was not. but
I heard it
improved.
If it uses flash as it used to, no it is not accessible. If its
more text
based, then yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:23 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Hi, all.
Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is
accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and
he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?
Answers, please?
Beth

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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 23:52:35 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:52:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
Message-ID: <4f1b4fe9.4acf320a.14c7.46d8@mx.google.com>

What course are you currently taking, Anjelina?  This guy is 
taking Math for Liberal Arts.  What math courses are you using 
and does the teacher provide an equally accessible experience for 
you?
beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:44:55 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

I'm currently using My Math lab and it so far seems accessible. 
I'm using
JAWS 13 with Windows 7

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:40 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Thanks, Ashley.  Does anyone else who is currently in a math
course know if MyMathLab is accessible?  That's interesting,
Ashley.  My friend is using JAWS 13 I believe, but I'm not sure.
He's also using Windows 7.  You guys have my permission to
forwadrd my initial email to the Electronics or Math lists.
Whichever lists might help.
Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:35:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Here we go again. Four years ago when I took math it was not. but
I heard it
improved.
If it uses flash as it used to, no it is not accessible. If its
more text
based, then yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:23 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Hi, all.
Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is
accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and
he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?
Answers, please?
Beth

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 21 23:57:14 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:57:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference
Message-ID: <5810E989CB2B4A71BF07C73F153E4BF3@OwnerPC>

Hi all,
I am thinking of getting a laptop so I have more options for studying and personal notetaking.
We finally have jaws 13 at school; that i s a plus. But with a laptop I can take it to professor’s offices or anywhere.

Reasons I avoided them was their weight,  ability to boot up fast, and the fact that many did not have a number pad; I want that to use with jaws. then I can use  the commands and layout I’m used to.
However, they have improved their speed and battery life in recent years. I heard some have number pads.
Will they come with an email client like outlook I hope, a internet explorer,
and windows media player?

When I get one I want:
a number pad
a cd /dvd drive 
lots of memory; maybe a few GB
prefer one with a sd card slot as well.


So which laptop did you pick and why? How fast do they boot up? How much memory? Are all laptops built with internet connection now? Many places, including my school, have wireless internet ability.
I assume all have a web browser, probably internet explorer.
Also how long will the thing run on battery power? Just wanted some opinions since if I spend money for a laptop, it should meet my personal, academic and professional needs. I am thinking a laptop might be a good thing to demonstrate to a potential employer or to take for my volunteer work as well.

Ashley

From anjelinac26 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 00:03:31 2012
From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:03:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
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Message-ID: <418E274CEEBD4BD890B86BF4B724C386@AnjelinaPC>

Hi Beth,

I'm taking Statistics. I'll be working with a tutor outside of class, and if 
I have any difficulties with MyMathLab, the tutor has agreed to read 
homework assignments.
The instructor is willing to help in anyway  to insure I have equal access 
to course content.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:52 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

What course are you currently taking, Anjelina?  This guy is
taking Math for Liberal Arts.  What math courses are you using
and does the teacher provide an equally accessible experience for
you?
beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:44:55 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

I'm currently using My Math lab and it so far seems accessible.
I'm using
JAWS 13 with Windows 7

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:40 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Thanks, Ashley.  Does anyone else who is currently in a math
course know if MyMathLab is accessible?  That's interesting,
Ashley.  My friend is using JAWS 13 I believe, but I'm not sure.
He's also using Windows 7.  You guys have my permission to
forwadrd my initial email to the Electronics or Math lists.
Whichever lists might help.
Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:35:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Here we go again. Four years ago when I took math it was not. but
I heard it
improved.
If it uses flash as it used to, no it is not accessible. If its
more text
based, then yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:23 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Hi, all.
Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is
accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and
he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?
Answers, please?
Beth

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 00:51:41 2012
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:51:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Community ServiceGroup Membership call--Sunday
	January 22
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
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Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:37:25 -0600
Subject: [Blindtlk] Community Service Membership call--Sunday January 22
To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, community-service
<community-service at nfbnet.org>, nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>, nagdu
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>, blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>, blindtlk
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Hello, everyone!

It's time once again for the Community Service Group's monthly
membership call! January is National Mentoring Month, and Jermesa Lee,
the Vice President of the Florida Association of Blind Students, will
be sharing her experiences and perspectives on mentoring. The call in
information is below.

Topic: National Mentoring Month: Ideas, perspectives, experiences
When: Sunday, January 22 at 8 pm ET
Where:(218) 336-3900 passcode 808277

Hope to see you there!

Julie

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formula
for a life well lived."

- Dr. Peter Benson


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 00:58:04 2012
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:58:04 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: National Association of Blind Students
 Membership Committee presents: NFB Summer Programs, Sunday, Jan. 22nd,
 6:30 ET
Message-ID: <CAEwUdjOkYSoRF-sH9mPEpaOXzBUhqiBeK1LPO994=1R67U4P-w@mail.gmail.com>

 Greetings Fellow students!

  For many the new semester is only days old, and for some (maybe most)
 of us, you already can’t wait for summer to begin!
  Well, the next nabs membership conference call is for you, the
 adventuress high school student and the confident blind role model
 college student.

 Are you a high school student looking to leave home for the summer,
 meet new Friends and gain new skills?

 Are you a college student confident in your non-visual techniques and
 looking for a way to positively impact the next generation of youth?
 Join NABS and the youth coordinators of Blind Industries and Services
 of Maryland, Blindness Learning in New Dimensions Incorporated, the
 Colorado Center for the Blind,   and the Louisiana Center for  Blind
 and learn what the youth programs are all about.  Also find out more
 about what they have to offer, how you can benefit
 From them, and how you can get involved his summer.

 When: Sunday, January 22nd at 6:30 EST

 Where: 712-775-7100

    Pass code: 257963

 We look forward to seeing you!

  The Nabs Membership committee


-- 
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"To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the
formula
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan 22 01:09:21 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:09:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
In-Reply-To: <753C34D36CEC4B8594471F3BA8A0357E@Gloria>
References: <436F2278ECC84414894B9ABD75746E1C@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvV5R_TWsgEgwHGm2o9igNF3gYCG=+xjq-0KmnozM3PUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<AD48136EFA544341899C0AB816F8A86C@OwnerPC>
	<CAO83KOvBdQ2qGsk-x4WeG4q3y+X9GR15uCWYa-RuFijanhemDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B1BE453D9234B9BA442DEA00B7430BB@Gloria>
	<CAO83KOurB0mkFUf6uwYFSRC8cOyiikUwJb-zp4MNNLhKrgE1eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<753C34D36CEC4B8594471F3BA8A0357E@Gloria>
Message-ID: <auto-000044783460@mailfront4.g2host.com>

Well I think Learning Ally, formerly RFB&D has some 
scholarships.  There are of course a few ACB scholarships, you will 
need to decide for yourself if you can justify applying, if applying 
for NFB too.  Many state affiliates have scholarships too.

Dave

At 08:54 AM 1/19/2012, you wrote:
>Thanks Josh
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" 
><jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:48 AM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>
>
>Hi, Gloria.
>I'll look it up for you, and then, E-mail you, offlist.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 1/19/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>Hi,
>>Does anyone know of any scholarships I could apply for besides NFB, AFB, or
>>the McGregor? If so, where could I find the applications to apply?
>>Thanks
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:24 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>
>>
>>I'm not sure the citation, and the section of the ADA, but I heard it
>>on the news, in June, of 2011.
>>Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>Joshua,
>>>Can you site the case and section of the ADA?
>>>I might call DOJ and find out. That is if I do not get anywhere with the
>>>publisher.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Joshua Lester
>>>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:03 PM
>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] textbooks and inaccessible cds
>>>
>>>Ashley, they have to make them accessible.
>>>The Department of Justice said so.
>>>They ruled, two years ago, that the ADA now applies to Websites.
>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>On 1/15/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>I do not think publishers have to make their cds and websites accessible.
>>>>Sometimes a text comes with a companion cd.
>>>>But it seems right to do so. Well, I'm trying to take an intro to
>>>>computers
>>>>class.
>>>>
>>>>Know what? The site uses flash and is not accessible! At least not on the
>>>>first page. I might be able to get someone to click on something and get
>>>>in
>>>>that way. The CD is the same way!
>>>>The publisher is Paradigm. Has anyone else used their books and run into
>>>>this?
>>>>
>>>>I like to access the cd and/or textbook website because you get other
>>>>benefits such as chapter summaries, definition of terms, other study
>>>>tools,
>>>>and practice quizzes. I don't do this for every class; I do have a life.
>>>>But
>>>>some classes, I do take a few practice quizzes and I find it helps me
>>>>prepare and study for the real quiz or test.
>>>>
>>>>I might report this if I can find a point of contact; I'm hoping they
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>a
>>>>diversity or accessibility department. We will see.
>>>>If anyone had success in reporting publisher website or cd-rom issues and
>>>>got them fixed, that would be nice to know. Maybe the publisher will send
>>>>me
>>>>stuff directly; we'll see.
>>>>Ashley



From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 01:28:41 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:28:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
Message-ID: <4f1b666f.a1d8320a.5628.6bca@mx.google.com>

Thanks, Anjelina.  I"ll let my friend know about this.  I just 
wonder how he can get a tutor or reader outside of class.  
Statistics is hard from what I heard.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:03:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Hi Beth,

I'm taking Statistics. I'll be working with a tutor outside of 
class, and if
I have any difficulties with MyMathLab, the tutor has agreed to 
read
homework assignments.
The instructor is willing to help in anyway  to insure I have 
equal access
to course content.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:52 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

What course are you currently taking, Anjelina?  This guy is
taking Math for Liberal Arts.  What math courses are you using
and does the teacher provide an equally accessible experience for
you?
beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:44:55 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

I'm currently using My Math lab and it so far seems accessible.
I'm using
JAWS 13 with Windows 7

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:40 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Thanks, Ashley.  Does anyone else who is currently in a math
course know if MyMathLab is accessible?  That's interesting,
Ashley.  My friend is using JAWS 13 I believe, but I'm not sure.
He's also using Windows 7.  You guys have my permission to
forwadrd my initial email to the Electronics or Math lists.
Whichever lists might help.
Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:35:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Here we go again. Four years ago when I took math it was not. but
I heard it
improved.
If it uses flash as it used to, no it is not accessible. If its
more text
based, then yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:23 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Hi, all.
Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is
accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and
he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?
Answers, please?
Beth

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 01:29:33 2012
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:29:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Revised information: Community ServiceGroup Membership
 call--Sunday January 22
Message-ID: <CAEwUdjM7YbE1zCg3vZT9cnaL44LgUcqGySPWN_-wy0dkWdsmbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Please note: change in call-in information.

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: community service Outreach <nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com>
 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:37:25 -0600
 Subject: [Blindtlk] Community Service Membership call--Sunday January 22
 To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, community-service
 <community-service at nfbnet.org>, nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>, nagdu
 <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>, blindtlk
 <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, blparent <blparent at nfbnet.org>

 Hello, everyone!

 It's time once again for the Community Service Group's monthly
 membership call! January is National Mentoring Month, and Jermesa Lee,
 the Vice President of the Florida Association of Blind Students, will
 be sharing her experiences and perspectives on mentoring. The call in
 information is below.

 Topic: National Mentoring Month: Ideas, perspectives, experiences
 When: Sunday, January 22 at 8 pm ET
 Where:(218) 339-3600 passcode 808277

 Hope to see you there!

 Julie


-- 
Darian Smith

"To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the
formula
for a life well lived."

- Dr. Peter Benson


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 01:30:53 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:30:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
Message-ID: <4f1b6700.4921e00a.3f78.5976@mx.google.com>

I pick up the phone and talk with my friends all the time! I was 
talking about my friends who do use social media.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:09:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

gosh, kids are losing social skills.  What about actually picking 
up a phone
and talking? what a concept! if more did that, accessible of 
these open
somewhat unsafe social sites would not be such a issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:49 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hi Katie,

My circle of friends is like yours; most of them use either
Google Chat, Facebook Chat, or Skype.  Is Facebook chat
accessible? I know it doesn't work on the BrailleNote, unless you
use a third-party Web site called eBuddy.  But is
it accessible with JAWS?
Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:05:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hi Chris,
I have heard of Miranda but it appears to be a little tedious to
set
up, so given that I still find AIM relatively usable (see my
previous
post) I decided that it's not really worth my effort at this
point.  I
have heard that it works really well with JAWS once it is
configured
properly though, so feel free to give it a try if you are feeling
technologically adventurous!
To answer your other question, I don't believe that the gchat
program
can be configured to connect with AIM.  I don't know about your
circle
of friends, but from my personal experience I have found that AIM
has
somewhat fallen out of favor; most people I know use Google or
Facebook Chat instead.  I mainly use AIM as a way to access the
other
IM clients on my PC, which are not as accessible.  If you do have
friends who are AIM users, I would encourage you to give the
program a
try-- It's not perfect but really shouldn't disappoint too much!
Katie


On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Katie,

I have heard of people using AIM with a chat client called
Miranda, which apparently makes AIM and other chat services more
accessible with JAWS.  Also, a question: you said that the
latest
version of AIM enables you to connect to Google or Facebook
chat.
So will this work the other way around; can I chat with somebody
using AIM by using Google Chat on my BrailleNote?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hi Patrick,
AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall
user-friendly,
intuitive interface.  Its most recent version (7.5, I believe)
also
allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a
great
feature since both of these popular IM  services are not
particularly
accessible.  While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking
incoming
messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does not
work
as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over to
the
Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in,
which
is a
little annoying but not too big of a deal.  Hope this helps!
Katie


On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
  Hey Guys,
  I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm
using
  Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12.  Any
tips/suggestions/help you
  can give me would be great.
  Thanks,
  Patrick

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 01:53:56 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:53:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference
Message-ID: <4f1b6c68.9448e00a.1aa1.ffff90dd@mx.google.com>

I=20use=20an=20HP=20laptop=20running=20Windows=207.=20=20All=20the=20things=
=20you=20
mentioned,=20except=20for=20an=20SD=20card=20slot,=20are=20available=20on=20=
the=20HP=20
models.=20=20Just=20tell=20the=20salesperson=20you=20want=20one=20with=20a=
=20number=20
pad.=20=20If=20you=20get=20Microsoft=20Office=20on=20the=20laptop,=20you'll=
=20have=20
Outlook=20on=20it.=20=20Hope=20this=20helps!

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2021=20Jan=202012=2018:57:14=20-0500
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20laptop=20preference

Hi=20all,
I=20am=20thinking=20of=20getting=20a=20laptop=20so=20I=20have=20more=20opti=
ons=20for=20
studying=20and=20personal=20notetaking.
We=20finally=20have=20jaws=2013=20at=20school;=20that=20i=20s=20a=20plus.=20=
=20But=20with=20a=20
laptop=20I=20can=20take=20it=20to=20professor=E2=80=99s=20offices=20or=20an=
ywhere.

Reasons=20I=20avoided=20them=20was=20their=20weight,=20=20ability=20to=20bo=
ot=20up=20
fast,=20and=20the=20fact=20that=20many=20did=20not=20have=20a=20number=20pa=
d;=20I=20want=20
that=20to=20use=20with=20jaws.=20=20then=20I=20can=20use=20=20the=20command=
s=20and=20layout=20
I=E2=80=99m=20used=20to.
However,=20they=20have=20improved=20their=20speed=20and=20battery=20life=20=
in=20
recent=20years.=20=20I=20heard=20some=20have=20number=20pads.
Will=20they=20come=20with=20an=20email=20client=20like=20outlook=20I=20hope=
,=20a=20
internet=20explorer,
and=20windows=20media=20player?

When=20I=20get=20one=20I=20want:
a=20number=20pad
a=20cd=20/dvd=20drive
lots=20of=20memory;=20maybe=20a=20few=20GB
prefer=20one=20with=20a=20sd=20card=20slot=20as=20well.


So=20which=20laptop=20did=20you=20pick=20and=20why?=20How=20fast=20do=20the=
y=20boot=20up?=20
How=20much=20memory?=20Are=20all=20laptops=20built=20with=20internet=20conn=
ection=20
now?=20Many=20places,=20including=20my=20school,=20have=20wireless=20intern=
et=20
ability.
I=20assume=20all=20have=20a=20web=20browser,=20probably=20internet=20explor=
er.
Also=20how=20long=20will=20the=20thing=20run=20on=20battery=20power?=20Just=
=20wanted=20
some=20opinions=20since=20if=20I=20spend=20money=20for=20a=20laptop,=20it=20=
should=20meet=20
my=20personal,=20academic=20and=20professional=20needs.=20=20I=20am=20think=
ing=20a=20
laptop=20might=20be=20a=20good=20thing=20to=20demonstrate=20to=20a=20potent=
ial=20
employer=20or=20to=20take=20for=20my=20volunteer=20work=20as=20well.

Ashley
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 22 01:56:57 2012
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:56:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] School is not accomodating
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1160.1327109058.18094.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1027B66716FEB7C6017C6E1C4850@phx.gbl>

I have been very fortunate with my university experience because I
didn't not have to deal with the issues I have read many others have had
to face. I'm no expert, but I believe universities and colleges must
supply reasonable accommodations for students with disabilities which
would include accessible formats for textbooks in a reasonable amount of
time. My campus DSO required all registered DSO students to contact
instructors before each term with book info so the DSO staff could work
on finding accessible formats and scanning material if necessary. Along
with grad and honor students, students with disabilities on my campus
qualified for early registration too which helped with the entire
process. And I also have Kurzweil at home so I have the ability to scan
things at my own leisure. My DSO also outsourced for Braille, but it was
an option and it was done in a timely fashion. I agree with others that
you, Ashley, need to speak with your local agency for the blind along
with your DSO, and it may be helpful to request advocacy help from any
local Federation presence available. I'm not sure of all your rights
involved here, but I believe your DSO may not be working with you the
way in which it should.

The JAWS problem is a tough one as well. Nowadays, laptops are quite
light so "lugging" one around isn't all that bad. I started using a
Netbook for my last two years of university and loved it. It weighs less
than two pounds and works for what I need. I can access the internet and
use MS Office. And of course JAWS was installed on it. The keyboard is
condensed and some of the keys are placed differently than a regular
keyboard, but any laptop is laid out like this, and you adjust pretty
quickly to the smaller keys if you use the Netbook enough, which if a
student, I imagine you would. A Netbook is just one option though. I've
not had problems with my Netbook. If your DSO is not able to provide
JAWS in a way that works for you, I suggest you have your own laptop.

As for Braille signs, yes, Braille signs should be placed around
buildings for blind people just as ramps and accessible bathroom stalls
are suppose to exist for those in wheelchairs. However, as long as room
numbers and what office a door is, such as DSO or Registrar, that's all
that's necessary. Including instructors name on doors isn't practical
for rooms at large as multiple instructors will use the same rooms, and
for instructor offices, their office number should be made available to
students on syllabi and by asking an instructor for it, or calling
campus for it. So I don't find it necessary to also place a name on a
door if you have the number, and instructors don't always end up in the
same office areas all the time, though typically they remain in a given
office during their term as an instructor. At my university, most
instructor offices were large areas containing multiple rooms within one
are for particular instructors such as all history profs. In the same
area. So say room 140  will then hold multiple rooms within it so say my
profs. Room is 140 E. These areas would have a receptionist working in
the outer area. Anyway, as long as you know where their office is
located, you shouldn't also require a name along with the room number.

Finally, the world is not set up for easy navigation- blind or sighted.
Infrastructures, buildings, homes, neighborhoods, they're not always
constructed for easy navigation. As blind people, we need to understand
and realize this. We will encounter situations like this through life so
we can't expect anyone to follow a certain way of designing space just
for one purpose. Fair or not, this is life. I do not believe there are
any ADA guidelines requiring buildings to have "easy" navigation for
blind people, and I don't believe this is necessary. If you are
uncomfortable navigating a space, request help from an O & M instructor
or perhaps a friend who is also blind who has good travel skills to
help. This is a touchy subject, I know, but the interior design of a
building is not something a DSO or anyone needs to consider in terms of
accessibility. Again, fair or not, this is how it is. I do not claim to
be the best traveler, nor did I when sighted, but I do know that we
can't complain about how buildings are structured just because we are
blind. We must take the initiative to learn areas we frequent, and seek
the best travel instruction possible. It can be an adjustment, and like
anything, some will take to it quicker than others, but when we have no
true mobility issue, meaning we have full use of our legs, there really
is no reason we can't learn to navigate space independently and
efficiently even in areas not designed with blind people in mind. No DSO
is required to find a space "easy" to navigate when it comes to the
services it offers. This is something you and perhaps your rehab agency
need to discuss.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
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"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan



From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 02:00:41 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:00:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school is not
	accomodating
Message-ID: <4f1b6dfd.4921e00a.3f78.5c1d@mx.google.com>

Hi Bridgit and everyone,

Is there a way to scan books with Kurzweil? I thought you have to 
scan page-by-page with Kurzweil, but I have heard people on this 
list saying that they can scan books with it.  How do you do 
that?
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:56:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] School is not accomodating

I have been very fortunate with my university experience because 
I
didn't not have to deal with the issues I have read many others 
have had
to face.  I'm no expert, but I believe universities and colleges 
must
supply reasonable accommodations for students with disabilities 
which
would include accessible formats for textbooks in a reasonable 
amount of
time.  My campus DSO required all registered DSO students to 
contact
instructors before each term with book info so the DSO staff 
could work
on finding accessible formats and scanning material if necessary.  
Along
with grad and honor students, students with disabilities on my 
campus
qualified for early registration too which helped with the entire
process.  And I also have Kurzweil at home so I have the ability 
to scan
things at my own leisure.  My DSO also outsourced for Braille, 
but it was
an option and it was done in a timely fashion.  I agree with 
others that
you, Ashley, need to speak with your local agency for the blind 
along
with your DSO, and it may be helpful to request advocacy help 
from any
local Federation presence available.  I'm not sure of all your 
rights
involved here, but I believe your DSO may not be working with you 
the
way in which it should.

The JAWS problem is a tough one as well.  Nowadays, laptops are 
quite
light so "lugging" one around isn't all that bad.  I started 
using a
Netbook for my last two years of university and loved it.  It 
weighs less
than two pounds and works for what I need.  I can access the 
internet and
use MS Office.  And of course JAWS was installed on it.  The 
keyboard is
condensed and some of the keys are placed differently than a 
regular
keyboard, but any laptop is laid out like this, and you adjust 
pretty
quickly to the smaller keys if you use the Netbook enough, which 
if a
student, I imagine you would.  A Netbook is just one option 
though.  I've
not had problems with my Netbook.  If your DSO is not able to 
provide
JAWS in a way that works for you, I suggest you have your own 
laptop.

As for Braille signs, yes, Braille signs should be placed around
buildings for blind people just as ramps and accessible bathroom 
stalls
are suppose to exist for those in wheelchairs.  However, as long 
as room
numbers and what office a door is, such as DSO or Registrar, 
that's all
that's necessary.  Including instructors name on doors isn't 
practical
for rooms at large as multiple instructors will use the same 
rooms, and
for instructor offices, their office number should be made 
available to
students on syllabi and by asking an instructor for it, or 
calling
campus for it.  So I don't find it necessary to also place a name 
on a
door if you have the number, and instructors don't always end up 
in the
same office areas all the time, though typically they remain in a 
given
office during their term as an instructor.  At my university, 
most
instructor offices were large areas containing multiple rooms 
within one
are for particular instructors such as all history profs.  In the 
same
area.  So say room 140  will then hold multiple rooms within it 
so say my
profs.  Room is 140 E.  These areas would have a receptionist 
working in
the outer area.  Anyway, as long as you know where their office 
is
located, you shouldn't also require a name along with the room 
number.

Finally, the world is not set up for easy navigation- blind or 
sighted.
Infrastructures, buildings, homes, neighborhoods, they're not 
always
constructed for easy navigation.  As blind people, we need to 
understand
and realize this.  We will encounter situations like this through 
life so
we can't expect anyone to follow a certain way of designing space 
just
for one purpose.  Fair or not, this is life.  I do not believe 
there are
any ADA guidelines requiring buildings to have "easy" navigation 
for
blind people, and I don't believe this is necessary.  If you are
uncomfortable navigating a space, request help from an O & M 
instructor
or perhaps a friend who is also blind who has good travel skills 
to
help.  This is a touchy subject, I know, but the interior design 
of a
building is not something a DSO or anyone needs to consider in 
terms of
accessibility.  Again, fair or not, this is how it is.  I do not 
claim to
be the best traveler, nor did I when sighted, but I do know that 
we
can't complain about how buildings are structured just because we 
are
blind.  We must take the initiative to learn areas we frequent, 
and seek
the best travel instruction possible.  It can be an adjustment, 
and like
anything, some will take to it quicker than others, but when we 
have no
true mobility issue, meaning we have full use of our legs, there 
really
is no reason we can't learn to navigate space independently and
efficiently even in areas not designed with blind people in mind.  
No DSO
is required to find a space "easy" to navigate when it comes to 
the
services it offers.  This is something you and perhaps your rehab 
agency
need to discuss.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan


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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 02:46:49 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:46:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school is not
	accomodating
In-Reply-To: <4f1b6dfd.4921e00a.3f78.5c1d@mx.google.com>
References: <4f1b6dfd.4921e00a.3f78.5c1d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBsFfLXfAoUtWE3oRE9vcLuoXeZvFiXPKAS+jUvz_MmPg@mail.gmail.com>

You can scan books with it, one page at a time.
Arielle

On 1/21/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Bridgit and everyone,
>
> Is there a way to scan books with Kurzweil? I thought you have to
> scan page-by-page with Kurzweil, but I have heard people on this
> list saying that they can scan books with it.  How do you do
> that?
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:56:57 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] School is not accomodating
>
> I have been very fortunate with my university experience because
> I
> didn't not have to deal with the issues I have read many others
> have had
> to face.  I'm no expert, but I believe universities and colleges
> must
> supply reasonable accommodations for students with disabilities
> which
> would include accessible formats for textbooks in a reasonable
> amount of
> time.  My campus DSO required all registered DSO students to
> contact
> instructors before each term with book info so the DSO staff
> could work
> on finding accessible formats and scanning material if necessary.
> Along
> with grad and honor students, students with disabilities on my
> campus
> qualified for early registration too which helped with the entire
> process.  And I also have Kurzweil at home so I have the ability
> to scan
> things at my own leisure.  My DSO also outsourced for Braille,
> but it was
> an option and it was done in a timely fashion.  I agree with
> others that
> you, Ashley, need to speak with your local agency for the blind
> along
> with your DSO, and it may be helpful to request advocacy help
> from any
> local Federation presence available.  I'm not sure of all your
> rights
> involved here, but I believe your DSO may not be working with you
> the
> way in which it should.
>
> The JAWS problem is a tough one as well.  Nowadays, laptops are
> quite
> light so "lugging" one around isn't all that bad.  I started
> using a
> Netbook for my last two years of university and loved it.  It
> weighs less
> than two pounds and works for what I need.  I can access the
> internet and
> use MS Office.  And of course JAWS was installed on it.  The
> keyboard is
> condensed and some of the keys are placed differently than a
> regular
> keyboard, but any laptop is laid out like this, and you adjust
> pretty
> quickly to the smaller keys if you use the Netbook enough, which
> if a
> student, I imagine you would.  A Netbook is just one option
> though.  I've
> not had problems with my Netbook.  If your DSO is not able to
> provide
> JAWS in a way that works for you, I suggest you have your own
> laptop.
>
> As for Braille signs, yes, Braille signs should be placed around
> buildings for blind people just as ramps and accessible bathroom
> stalls
> are suppose to exist for those in wheelchairs.  However, as long
> as room
> numbers and what office a door is, such as DSO or Registrar,
> that's all
> that's necessary.  Including instructors name on doors isn't
> practical
> for rooms at large as multiple instructors will use the same
> rooms, and
> for instructor offices, their office number should be made
> available to
> students on syllabi and by asking an instructor for it, or
> calling
> campus for it.  So I don't find it necessary to also place a name
> on a
> door if you have the number, and instructors don't always end up
> in the
> same office areas all the time, though typically they remain in a
> given
> office during their term as an instructor.  At my university,
> most
> instructor offices were large areas containing multiple rooms
> within one
> are for particular instructors such as all history profs.  In the
> same
> area.  So say room 140  will then hold multiple rooms within it
> so say my
> profs.  Room is 140 E.  These areas would have a receptionist
> working in
> the outer area.  Anyway, as long as you know where their office
> is
> located, you shouldn't also require a name along with the room
> number.
>
> Finally, the world is not set up for easy navigation- blind or
> sighted.
> Infrastructures, buildings, homes, neighborhoods, they're not
> always
> constructed for easy navigation.  As blind people, we need to
> understand
> and realize this.  We will encounter situations like this through
> life so
> we can't expect anyone to follow a certain way of designing space
> just
> for one purpose.  Fair or not, this is life.  I do not believe
> there are
> any ADA guidelines requiring buildings to have "easy" navigation
> for
> blind people, and I don't believe this is necessary.  If you are
> uncomfortable navigating a space, request help from an O & M
> instructor
> or perhaps a friend who is also blind who has good travel skills
> to
> help.  This is a touchy subject, I know, but the interior design
> of a
> building is not something a DSO or anyone needs to consider in
> terms of
> accessibility.  Again, fair or not, this is how it is.  I do not
> claim to
> be the best traveler, nor did I when sighted, but I do know that
> we
> can't complain about how buildings are structured just because we
> are
> blind.  We must take the initiative to learn areas we frequent,
> and seek
> the best travel instruction possible.  It can be an adjustment,
> and like
> anything, some will take to it quicker than others, but when we
> have no
> true mobility issue, meaning we have full use of our legs, there
> really
> is no reason we can't learn to navigate space independently and
> efficiently even in areas not designed with blind people in mind.
> No DSO
> is required to find a space "easy" to navigate when it comes to
> the
> services it offers.  This is something you and perhaps your rehab
> agency
> need to discuss.
>
> Sincerely,
> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Read my blog at:
> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>
> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 03:09:25 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:09:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school is
	notaccomodating
Message-ID: <4f1b7e19.02d4e00a.394f.73ea@mx.google.com>

OK, thanks!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:46:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school 
is notaccomodating

You can scan books with it, one page at a time.
Arielle

On 1/21/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi Bridgit and everyone,

 Is there a way to scan books with Kurzweil? I thought you have 
to
 scan page-by-page with Kurzweil, but I have heard people on this
 list saying that they can scan books with it.  How do you do
 that?
 Thanks,

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
 To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:56:57 -0600
 Subject: [nabs-l] School is not accomodating

 I have been very fortunate with my university experience because
 I
 didn't not have to deal with the issues I have read many others
 have had
 to face.  I'm no expert, but I believe universities and colleges
 must
 supply reasonable accommodations for students with disabilities
 which
 would include accessible formats for textbooks in a reasonable
 amount of
 time.  My campus DSO required all registered DSO students to
 contact
 instructors before each term with book info so the DSO staff
 could work
 on finding accessible formats and scanning material if 
necessary.
 Along
 with grad and honor students, students with disabilities on my
 campus
 qualified for early registration too which helped with the 
entire
 process.  And I also have Kurzweil at home so I have the ability
 to scan
 things at my own leisure.  My DSO also outsourced for Braille,
 but it was
 an option and it was done in a timely fashion.  I agree with
 others that
 you, Ashley, need to speak with your local agency for the blind
 along
 with your DSO, and it may be helpful to request advocacy help
 from any
 local Federation presence available.  I'm not sure of all your
 rights
 involved here, but I believe your DSO may not be working with 
you
 the
 way in which it should.

 The JAWS problem is a tough one as well.  Nowadays, laptops are
 quite
 light so "lugging" one around isn't all that bad.  I started
 using a
 Netbook for my last two years of university and loved it.  It
 weighs less
 than two pounds and works for what I need.  I can access the
 internet and
 use MS Office.  And of course JAWS was installed on it.  The
 keyboard is
 condensed and some of the keys are placed differently than a
 regular
 keyboard, but any laptop is laid out like this, and you adjust
 pretty
 quickly to the smaller keys if you use the Netbook enough, which
 if a
 student, I imagine you would.  A Netbook is just one option
 though.  I've
 not had problems with my Netbook.  If your DSO is not able to
 provide
 JAWS in a way that works for you, I suggest you have your own
 laptop.

 As for Braille signs, yes, Braille signs should be placed around
 buildings for blind people just as ramps and accessible bathroom
 stalls
 are suppose to exist for those in wheelchairs.  However, as long
 as room
 numbers and what office a door is, such as DSO or Registrar,
 that's all
 that's necessary.  Including instructors name on doors isn't
 practical
 for rooms at large as multiple instructors will use the same
 rooms, and
 for instructor offices, their office number should be made
 available to
 students on syllabi and by asking an instructor for it, or
 calling
 campus for it.  So I don't find it necessary to also place a 
name
 on a
 door if you have the number, and instructors don't always end up
 in the
 same office areas all the time, though typically they remain in 
a
 given
 office during their term as an instructor.  At my university,
 most
 instructor offices were large areas containing multiple rooms
 within one
 are for particular instructors such as all history profs.  In 
the
 same
 area.  So say room 140  will then hold multiple rooms within it
 so say my
 profs.  Room is 140 E.  These areas would have a receptionist
 working in
 the outer area.  Anyway, as long as you know where their office
 is
 located, you shouldn't also require a name along with the room
 number.

 Finally, the world is not set up for easy navigation- blind or
 sighted.
 Infrastructures, buildings, homes, neighborhoods, they're not
 always
 constructed for easy navigation.  As blind people, we need to
 understand
 and realize this.  We will encounter situations like this 
through
 life so
 we can't expect anyone to follow a certain way of designing 
space
 just
 for one purpose.  Fair or not, this is life.  I do not believe
 there are
 any ADA guidelines requiring buildings to have "easy" navigation
 for
 blind people, and I don't believe this is necessary.  If you are
 uncomfortable navigating a space, request help from an O & M
 instructor
 or perhaps a friend who is also blind who has good travel skills
 to
 help.  This is a touchy subject, I know, but the interior design
 of a
 building is not something a DSO or anyone needs to consider in
 terms of
 accessibility.  Again, fair or not, this is how it is.  I do not
 claim to
 be the best traveler, nor did I when sighted, but I do know that
 we
 can't complain about how buildings are structured just because 
we
 are
 blind.  We must take the initiative to learn areas we frequent,
 and seek
 the best travel instruction possible.  It can be an adjustment,
 and like
 anything, some will take to it quicker than others, but when we
 have no
 true mobility issue, meaning we have full use of our legs, there
 really
 is no reason we can't learn to navigate space independently and
 efficiently even in areas not designed with blind people in 
mind.
 No DSO
 is required to find a space "easy" to navigate when it comes to
 the
 services it offers.  This is something you and perhaps your 
rehab
 agency
 need to discuss.

 Sincerely,
 Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
 Read my blog at:
 http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

 "History is not what happened; history is what was written 
down."
 The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan


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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Jan 22 04:19:07 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:19:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: [blindtlk] why is it important to join an
	organization	of the blind?
In-Reply-To: <4f16f1c2.6a6c340a.35f2.3a8b@mx.google.com>
References: <4f16f1c2.6a6c340a.35f2.3a8b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000001ccd8bc$fc052a70$f40f7f50$@comcast.net>

Hello chris and gary,

Thanks chris for sharing this wonderful email that you forwarded
that you got from gary. It was a veryknowledgable and
thought-provoking message to all of us on why we should join the
nfb and, why the nfb is a powerful tool in the blindness movement
and, why we should be a part of!

Thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon.




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:22 AM
To: NFB Talk List; NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: [blindtlk] why is it important to join an
organization of the blind?

Hi everyone,

This is a response I received to my question on the value of an 
organization of the blind written by Gary Wunder and sent to the 
Blind Talk list.  I thought I would share it with all of you, as 
it is a very well-written email and it has a lot of great points!

Here it is:

 ---- Original Message ------
From: "Gary Wunder" <GWunder at earthlink.net
Subject: [Blindtlk] why is it important to join an organization 
of the blind?
Date sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:34:50 -0600

Dear Chris:

Please understand that what I am about to write is my opinion and

not some
official position of the Federation.  I will try to avoid 
offering other
disclaimers such as "In my opinion," or "It is my belief." I want

to be firm
in stating what I believe but humble enough to acknowledge that 
does not
represent any particular wisdom or any claim to be the one true 
way.

I am a member of the National Federation of the Blind because I 
believe that
collective action is required if blind people are to continue to 
enjoy the
programs and services we now have and to further the goal of 
integration we
all seek where we gain jobs, play active parts in our community, 
and are no
longer limited by artificial barriers that are not imposed by 
blindness but
by the reaction to it by blind and sighted people alike.  As an 
individual I
have a responsibility to think about my options and opportunities

and to
decide whether or not to pursue or shy away from them; In other 
words, I
have choices to make.  But individually I do not always have the 
creativity,
the expertise, and the power to make those choices real and 
achievable.

Right now blind people are engaged in the battle to determine 
whether we
have a right to demand that computerized technology, with all its

power and
promise, be harnessed to help us as it helps others, or whether, 
because we
are a small population, this same computer technology will be 
used to
exclude us.  The outcome of this struggle is as important as my 
ability to
compete at a job, my ability to enjoy entertainment at home, my 
ability to
check in at airports and check out at supermarkets, and even my 
ability to
live at home independently.  Take away my independent access to 
home
appliances--my ability to set the temperature on my oven, 
regulate the
temperature in my house, and operate the controls on my washer 
and dryer,
and soon I will require the services of a personal care attendant

or be in a
nursing home because I will be unable to take care of my most 
basic needs.
Even the option of a home care attendant or a nursing home may 
depend on
whether or not I can afford them.

My job as one human being is to educate myself; my more difficult

job is to
embrace the education of society to the potential technology 
brings and to
the problems it can create if not properly managed.  Individually

I must be
an informed voice, but only collectively do I have a voice 
capable of
reaching the nation and the world.  Individually I do not know 
how to bring
about the changes in design and engineering that make things 
talk, produce
braille, or provide a way for me to navigate using touch or 
voice;
collectively I can be a part of giving scholarships to young 
people, some of
whom will dedicate their professional careers to learning about 
such things
and being a part of developing technology that includes me and 
others who
are blind.  Individually I do not know how to craft laws to help 
us, but
collectively I can help to grow and employ the expertise of those

who do.
Individually I do not know how to execute a successful lawsuit on

behalf of
myself and others who suffer from technological discrimination; 
collectively
I can be a part of hiring that help and articulating to the legal

system the
goals and aspirations of blind people who are committed to the 
forward
progress we have enjoyed and to categorically reject the idea of 
once again
being consigned to idleness and inactivity.

It is argued that sighted people do not unite as a group, and 
that, if blind
people truly want equality, we must turn away from the reliance 
on a group
and the expectation other blind people will join with us.  
Because of their
numbers and a society which will quite reasonably be oriented to 
them,
sighted people have no need to unite on the basis of sight.  They

do,
however, unite for other reasons.  Wealthy people unite with 
others to see
that policies do not encourage and support the taking of their 
wealth.  Those
less wealthy unite for a whole host of reasons when individually 
their
voices are not sufficient to start a national discussion about 
the things
they need.  Doctors, as educated and prestigious as they are, 
unite when it
comes to representing their interests and, for that matter, the 
health
interests of the American people.  Farmers form organizations to 
try to
increase their prices and protect against what they see as overly

burdensome
regulation.  Many from all walks of life unite to protect the 
environment by
reminding us that some of the things we want for enhancing our 
creature
comforts come at a cost that may jeopardize the well-being of the

earth for
our children and our children's children.  The concept of 
organizing for
collective action, to amplify the voice, to share the load, and 
to bring
very disparate groups with talent and expertise to serve a cause 
is not
unique to the blind, nor is it unique to America.  It is the 
longing of
people everywhere to better themselves and the realization that 
not every
good that needs doing can be accomplished by one human being, no 
matter her
determination or skill or drive.  It is the understanding that 
true
independence often involves the more complicated concept of 
interdependence
and that learning to work together does not detract one little 
bit from our
individuality, our ability to make choices, and our ability to 
influence the
world.

I want a piece of the American dream.  That means more than 
Supplemental
Security Income because I am deemed too disabled to work.  That 
means more
than food stamps and subsidized housing because I am considered 
so
impoverished that only through a government program can I eat and

have
shelter from the elements.  I want the right to information and 
that means
more than a book of fiction in which I live my life through the 
words and
stories of others.  I have benefited from and support each of 
these programs
and I do not write to throw stones.  There are forces in the 
world that
conspire to keep me in this place, a place of continual 
dependence.  It is
not a harsh place with physical bars, but a place built by a 
compassionate
America trying to do good for people they perceive as having a 
significant
need.  It is not a jail neither is it a zoo; but it is a cage, 
albeit one
with radios and televisions and devices to produce music on 
demand.  It is a
place where we may play but not a place for we may grow.  
Programs intended
to provide us with a staircase to upward mobility have too often 
become the
means for lifelong support.  The tragedy is that life is so much 
less than it
could be for we who are blind and our country gets so much less 
from good
minds and overflowing hearts who long to find a way to 
meaningfully
contribute.

The alternative path requires more training, perseverance, and 
perhaps even
more good luck.  The process is rehabilitation, and by 
rehabilitation I mean
much more than accepting the help to go from high school to 
training school
or college.  For me rehabilitation means entering into a 
contract, a sacred
pledge to make good on the goodwill and the investment of 
taxpaying
Americans by turning education and equipment into productive 
work.  It is
more than accepting, as a matter of course, this government 
program for the
blind that can sometimes be little more than a transition from 
education to
more education to lifelong dependence.  At its best, 
rehabilitation is the
power of people to help people, the way a society helps some of 
its members
move from needing a meal to earning a meal.  It can, at its best,

be an
example of government truly serving and at its worst an example 
of raising
expectations only to crush them.  We, the blind people who 
organize and work
in the Federation, determine which it will be.

Several months ago I watched a Republican primary where a 
candidate was
asked what should be done about an uninsured 29-year-old man 
lying in a
hospital following a motorcycle crash.  Should he be allowed to 
die was the
timidly advanced question, and before the candidate could answer,

a
disturbingly loud minority in that audience began to clap.  The 
America I see
is no longer in a place where she believes she can extend 
benefits to those
who do not pay for them.  If this is true for something as basic 
as medical
care, how long is it before we see America questioning whether 
there is
money to support her disabled citizens who have been offered 
rehabilitation
services but who continue to remain on the public dole? How many 
people must
succeed in the rehabilitation process to convince an ever 
skeptical and
belt-tightening America that this magical contract between blind 
people and
the rest of America's citizens should continue? Partly that 
answer depends
on us and how well we make the case for what we need and the 
wonderful
things that happen when rehabilitation works.  Partly it depends 
on how well
we make the case to other blind people for moving beyond our 
comfort zone
and actively addressing those areas in which we are weak or 
scared or
paralyzed by our inexperience with the world.

I am a member of the National Federation of the Blind because I 
realize it
has been an important part in helping me live a bit of the 
American dream.  I
am a part because I want to pay it forward and to share the 
blessings I've
been given with others.  I know that as important as a positive 
mental
attitude and philosophy are, they are little more than words if 
there isn't
some kind of active effort to transform them into actions.  
Wanting to feed
the starving is more than wanting--it is doing something to 
advance that
cause--donating money, growing food, building roads, and buying 
vehicles.
None of this is accomplished by remaining on the sidelines and 
being an
observer, even if an informed one; it is accomplished by a 
resolution to do
something and then by following through on that resolution.

The Federation, for all the pride I take in her, is not a luxury 
liner
capable of being guided and run by a few and on which many may 
ride in
comfort.  Instead my Federation is a canoe, a ship that can carry

a few, but
needs every person who can to be at the ores pushing us along, 
steering us
in the direction we want to go, and helping us avoid the 
obstacles that
would break our frail craft if not maneuvered with skill, 
intelligence, and
the support of a God and a public who wants the best for us.  
Blind
Americans, just like sighted Americans, can make the choice as to

whether or
not to be involved, but the choice they make has consequences for

all of us.
The more people we have who are active rowers of our canoe, the 
more each of
us who row have time to do other things and the more likely we 
are to
succeed.  Our mission is a noble one that argues for our own 
independence and
for the continued prosperity of our nation.  I believe it is so 
important
that we dare not sit on the sidelines.  I have spent enough of my

life being
told to observe and weight.  When I have a choice, I will choose
participation, service, and the knowledge that, come what may, I 
have tried.
This is why I am a part of the Federation.  This is why I ask 
others to be a
part.  I don't want to whine and I don't want to preach.  I want 
to be
grateful for what I have, to repay those who have helped to make 
it come
true, and to pay it forward for those who want the same kind of 
future I
want.  I ask for the energy that others can bring in charting 
that course and
then helping us travel it.

Gary


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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Jan 22 04:36:15 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:36:15 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of the
	blind?
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Hello Bridget,

Thanks for your lovely post on this topic and, I want to
intertwined some of my thoughts on this topic to you too! I too
don't agree with all of the concepts and things that the
federation stands for or have the same for all of its views on
blindness. But, I too had to resign from some of my duties in the
fall of 2006 due to many personal things in my life too. And,
people in the Colorado affiliate treated me the same way that you
addressed in your post in why you had to step down from your
leadership roles in the nfb. But, we in life have to take some
time from federation responsibilities and deal with personal and
professional issues in our lives. The federation isn't going
anywhere and, you can always come back to it. I certainly did
and, it has make me a stronger person because of it!

Thanks again for your comments and, I will talk to you soon.




Hugs always,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:11 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of
the blind?

Chris, Sean, Arielle and others,

I think each of you have hit the nail on the head. Perhaps, and
this is
not the first time I've had this thought, referring to a
"philosophy" of
blindness is too closely associated with religion or
philosophical
schools of thought, which it is, but not to the extent in which
some
think. I can't tell you how many people I meet, sighted and
blind, who
hear philosophy of blindness and this phrase alone is what turns
them
off. Certainly some Federationist, along with members of other
organizations, have the fervor of an evangelist, but this concept
is
strictly related to how we view blindness and what we think blind
people
can accomplish. Nothing more; no connection to religious views,
no
association politically other than political issues specific to
blindness, no connotations on morals or what constitutes "good"
and
"bad" people. Maybe though, we need to consider a new word or
phrase so
immediate lines are not drawn to other definitions and ideas
about what
"philosophy" means.

We all have varying personalities and degrees of interest. As
blind
people, we know our interest and personalities are as varied and
vast as
those who are not blind. Advocacy and political activism come
naturally
for some while others, for a myriad of reasons, are not
interested in or
comfortable with the role of activist and advocate. Some find a
way to
advocate in nontraditional ways or non-political ways such as
community
involvement, creative writing, art or simply living their life.
Some
seek a social outlet in which to meet like-minded people and many
are
eager for information. I've heard stories about people learning
about
the Federation simply by researching blindness. Many of us join
organizations like the NFB and grow into different roles as we
progress
as a human and as a blind person. As pointed out, some have to
prioritize their lives and simply can't always make the
Federation a top
priority all the time.

Many people join organizations like the Federation for a plethora
of
reasons, and as Sean points out, there's no Litmus scale
measuring
superiority or what reason is more important than others. Like in
the
world in general, some have political interest, others don't;
some
people use artistic expressions to relay emotions and concepts,
others
just enjoy being creative for no deeper reason than it brings joy
to
them and others; some enjoy participating in interest and
activities
with like-minded peers, while others don't feel a necessity to
see out
social settings this way. We follow the same path in the
Federation or
any organization working to bring awareness and equality to the
world.

Joining an organization doesn't label us "better" or superior to
those
who don't join. And to be quite frank, if members of any
organization
belittle and demean those who don't join, or feel they are a
"better"
blind person for joining a group, they're in the wrong. No one
should
ever, ever treat people in a demeaning way. If we claim to fight
for
equality, we can't turn around and treat others who don't join
with
mindsets and attitudes suggesting inequality. We all have a right
to how
we live and what, and how, we participate in groups. Likewise, we
can't
adopt superior attitudes towards members who, in the opinions of
some,
lack involvement, or those who participate in certain aspects of
the
Federation but not others. If someone wishes to make the
Federation
their life (and I'm not coating this with any meaning good or
bad) that
is their choice, but if others don't and can't devote all or even
half
of their life to the Federation, this is also their choice, and
either
one should not be made to feel guilty, inferior or treated as
though
they don't care, or live in a safety-net of blind-specific
interest and
pursuits.

We can't expect the world to treat us as equals and deal fairly
with us
if we don't extend the same courtesies to each other. When I had
to step
down from most of my Federation positions last spring due to
personal
reasons, whispers went up in some corners that I had "back-slid"
in my
ideas of blindness and what is important. To be a bit honest, I
have
felt quite isolated since stepping down though I made it clear I
had no
intention of quitting the Federation or that I was no longer
interested
in assisting in what way I can; I just reached a point where I
couldn't
have the sense of obligation board positions hang over you as a
huge
part of my life. I needed to claim back the balance in my life so
I
could focus on personal and professional ventures as well. So I
understand how some may feel, like you're either in all the way
or
you're not in at all, which is not realistic for most people in
general
no matter the group or topic.

I'm much like Sean; though I believe whole-heartedly in the
fundamentals
of the Federation-- complete independence and that blind people
can, and
will, do anything-- I don't agree with each decision, each
direction,
the Federation takes, just as I don't agree with each thought and
issue
adopted by the Democrat party. This is how human nature works.
Think of
the relationships in your life-- parents, siblings, significant
others,
teachers, friends-- do you always agree with them? Of course not,
and an
organization like the Federation operates like a family just on a
larger
scale. We support one another and are there for one another even
if we
don't always see eye-to-eye, no pun intended, smile!

Let's not stop moving becoming stag net because we tear one
another down
simply for not joining an organization of the blind or because
some of
us pick and choose where we are involved; this does nothing to
help our
cause, it only disintegrates what we're working towards. Joining
a group
like the Federation has a lot of benefits, but the NFB is working
for
the blind community at large, whether you're a member or not. And
like
Arielle said, we have an instant network of people to turn to for
all
sorts of things. Whether it be employment, education,
relationships and
even things like home management and parenting, we have a vast
network
of people who have, or currently are, been there and can answer
questions and help us along our path. Let's not discredit a group
like
the Federation or lump all Federation members into one
cookie-cutter
shape, but let's not adopt superior attitudes either towards
those who
don't join. Learn to think for yourselves and not be swayed by
one
thought over another. You can be a Federationist and not agree
with
every decision made, but you can also agree with many sentiments
of the
Federation without actually joining. At the end of the day, is
not
equality and independence for the blind what matters? And if this
is
happening in the world, our country, does it really matter who is
involved and where they choose to be involved?

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
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http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan


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From bfs1206 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 04:38:30 2012
From: bfs1206 at gmail.com (Brianna Scerenscko)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:38:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
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Mymathlab is acessable with Jaws 12 only at this point.  It's
accessable for the most part; Jaws doesn't read the graphs of corse,
and it also may read certain problems a little funny because of the
way they're written in print, however, after a few attempts at the
problem, I think I got the jist of what the problem was and was able
to solve it.  There are many buttons on the site that you have to use,
but don't worry, they're all accessable.
Hope this helps.


On 1/21/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Anjelina.  I"ll let my friend know about this.  I just
> wonder how he can get a tutor or reader outside of class.
> Statistics is hard from what I heard.
> Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:03:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> Hi Beth,
>
> I'm taking Statistics. I'll be working with a tutor outside of
> class, and if
> I have any difficulties with MyMathLab, the tutor has agreed to
> read
> homework assignments.
> The instructor is willing to help in anyway  to insure I have
> equal access
> to course content.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:52 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> What course are you currently taking, Anjelina?  This guy is
> taking Math for Liberal Arts.  What math courses are you using
> and does the teacher provide an equally accessible experience for
> you?
> beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:44:55 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> I'm currently using My Math lab and it so far seems accessible.
> I'm using
> JAWS 13 with Windows 7
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:40 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> Thanks, Ashley.  Does anyone else who is currently in a math
> course know if MyMathLab is accessible?  That's interesting,
> Ashley.  My friend is using JAWS 13 I believe, but I'm not sure.
> He's also using Windows 7.  You guys have my permission to
> forwadrd my initial email to the Electronics or Math lists.
> Whichever lists might help.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:35:30 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> Here we go again. Four years ago when I took math it was not. but
> I heard it
> improved.
> If it uses flash as it used to, no it is not accessible. If its
> more text
> based, then yes.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:23 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> Hi, all.
> Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is
> accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and
> he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?
> Answers, please?
> Beth
>
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Jan 22 04:47:52 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:47:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
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Hello chris and all,

Sorry, for the late notice on this topic but, I will throw in my
2 cents worth on this topic. Yes, aim is accessible with jfw. I
use it with jfw and, it works fine. I have this along with
windows live messenger both on my computers and, I use both. But,
as others have said the newest version of windows live messenger
has an awesome tool that you can use.

If you don't want to download aim if you know of anyone who uses
aim, google-talk, or yahoo messenger you can chat with all of
your friends through only using one instant messenger client
which is windows live messenger.

When you add a contact don't to forget to include all of their
contact information like for aim screen name or for the other im
clients like google-talk or yahoo messenger just put in their
emailaddress/screen name with google or yahoo.com and, then add
them to your contacts. Then you are ready to go!

Another awesome feature added to the newest version of windows
live messenger is that you can configure all of your facebook
friends into your msn messenger client and, then you can chat
with them by using the facebook chat feature through windows live
messenger since thee facebook chat feature on the facebook.com
site isn't accessible with jfw.

Unfortunately, I don't have the link for the newest version of
windows live messenger but, if you just google it or go to
msn.com then I'm sure that you will find it!

I hope this information is helpful to you all! Take care and
happy chatting!



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:05 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hi Chris,
I have heard of Miranda but it appears to be a little tedious to
set
up, so given that I still find AIM relatively usable (see my
previous
post) I decided that it's not really worth my effort at this
point. I
have heard that it works really well with JAWS once it is
configured
properly though, so feel free to give it a try if you are feeling
technologically adventurous!
To answer your other question, I don't believe that the gchat
program
can be configured to connect with AIM. I don't know about your
circle
of friends, but from my personal experience I have found that AIM
has
somewhat fallen out of favor; most people I know use Google or
Facebook Chat instead. I mainly use AIM as a way to access the
other
IM clients on my PC, which are not as accessible. If you do have
friends who are AIM users, I would encourage you to give the
program a
try-- It's not perfect but really shouldn't disappoint too much!
Katie


On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Katie,
>
> I have heard of people using AIM with a chat client called
> Miranda, which apparently makes AIM and other chat services
more
> accessible with JAWS.  Also, a question: you said that the
latest
> version of AIM enables you to connect to Google or Facebook
chat.
> So will this work the other way around; can I chat with
somebody
> using AIM by using Google Chat on my BrailleNote?
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.
The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>
> Hi Patrick,
> AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall
> user-friendly,
> intuitive interface.  Its most recent version (7.5, I believe)
> also
> allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a
> great
> feature since both of these popular IM  services are not
> particularly
> accessible.  While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking
> incoming
> messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does not
> work
> as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over
to
> the
> Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in,
which
> is a
> little annoying but not too big of a deal.  Hope this helps!
> Katie
>
>
> On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Hey Guys,
>  I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm
> using
>  Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12.  Any
> tips/suggestions/help you
>  can give me would be great.
>  Thanks,
>  Patrick
>
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From joshkart12 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 05:01:34 2012
From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 00:01:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
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Ok, shall try to combine thoughts here:
Yeah, had Miranda, uninstalled it from my laptop for instantbird.
While not perfect it is at least a bit easier to use and set up than
Miranda.
  Secondly, Ashley, yes, I do agree with you on your point, but our
society is rapidly advancing toward a new age of online communication
every day, what with phones that let you check email, browse the web,
and more, as well as just computers and the internet in general.
And, thirdly, Amy, would you happen to know if I could set up my
google talk account in Windows Messenger without having to get an msn
account? Thanks!
Best,
Josh

On 1/21/12, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello chris and all,
>
> Sorry, for the late notice on this topic but, I will throw in my
> 2 cents worth on this topic. Yes, aim is accessible with jfw. I
> use it with jfw and, it works fine. I have this along with
> windows live messenger both on my computers and, I use both. But,
> as others have said the newest version of windows live messenger
> has an awesome tool that you can use.
>
> If you don't want to download aim if you know of anyone who uses
> aim, google-talk, or yahoo messenger you can chat with all of
> your friends through only using one instant messenger client
> which is windows live messenger.
>
> When you add a contact don't to forget to include all of their
> contact information like for aim screen name or for the other im
> clients like google-talk or yahoo messenger just put in their
> emailaddress/screen name with google or yahoo.com and, then add
> them to your contacts. Then you are ready to go!
>
> Another awesome feature added to the newest version of windows
> live messenger is that you can configure all of your facebook
> friends into your msn messenger client and, then you can chat
> with them by using the facebook chat feature through windows live
> messenger since thee facebook chat feature on the facebook.com
> site isn't accessible with jfw.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have the link for the newest version of
> windows live messenger but, if you just google it or go to
> msn.com then I'm sure that you will find it!
>
> I hope this information is helpful to you all! Take care and
> happy chatting!
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>
> Hi Chris,
> I have heard of Miranda but it appears to be a little tedious to
> set
> up, so given that I still find AIM relatively usable (see my
> previous
> post) I decided that it's not really worth my effort at this
> point. I
> have heard that it works really well with JAWS once it is
> configured
> properly though, so feel free to give it a try if you are feeling
> technologically adventurous!
> To answer your other question, I don't believe that the gchat
> program
> can be configured to connect with AIM. I don't know about your
> circle
> of friends, but from my personal experience I have found that AIM
> has
> somewhat fallen out of favor; most people I know use Google or
> Facebook Chat instead. I mainly use AIM as a way to access the
> other
> IM clients on my PC, which are not as accessible. If you do have
> friends who are AIM users, I would encourage you to give the
> program a
> try-- It's not perfect but really shouldn't disappoint too much!
> Katie
>
>
> On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Katie,
>>
>> I have heard of people using AIM with a chat client called
>> Miranda, which apparently makes AIM and other chat services
> more
>> accessible with JAWS.  Also, a question: you said that the
> latest
>> version of AIM enables you to connect to Google or Facebook
> chat.
>> So will this work the other way around; can I chat with
> somebody
>> using AIM by using Google Chat on my BrailleNote?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.
> The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>>
>> Hi Patrick,
>> AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall
>> user-friendly,
>> intuitive interface.  Its most recent version (7.5, I believe)
>> also
>> allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a
>> great
>> feature since both of these popular IM  services are not
>> particularly
>> accessible.  While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking
>> incoming
>> messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does not
>> work
>> as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over
> to
>> the
>> Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in,
> which
>> is a
>> little annoying but not too big of a deal.  Hope this helps!
>> Katie
>>
>>
>> On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Hey Guys,
>>  I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm
>> using
>>  Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12.  Any
>> tips/suggestions/help you
>>  can give me would be great.
>>  Thanks,
>>  Patrick
>>
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Jan 22 05:06:16 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:06:16 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
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Hello Ashley,

To answer some of your it and html questions here's my views and what I somewhat know.

As for doing stuff in html I did it in notepad since that's how my exboyfriend does his web page but, when it came to doing the layout and all I couldn't make it look professionally.. I know all of this because when I was at ucd I took a web design class and, I had this problem myself. I unfortunately, had to drop the class since I couldn't get a tutor/reader for the class and, the classroom that we were using for the class was one of the computer labs on campus and the network administrator wouldn't let me use a software/or let me put jfw on a certain computer with a software package to make the software accessible for me to do the work in the class. So, make sure that your professor/network administrator will let you do this! Also, work as much if you can at home with the manual and, also work with the professor  at his office hours for his expertise on how it's looking.

Besides Microsoft FrontPage there's a software to use web sites with the accessibility with jfw called webtab. Unfortunately, I don't have the web site for it but, if you google it will be able for you rto find it!

As for graphics and, all that's something that you will need your prof for or sighted assistance from a classmate too. And, for the manuals for the above products I'm sure that they have accessible manuals and, I'm sure that your prof can provide those for you.

As for free sites for providing domain names for you to produce your work I don't know of any of them personally. But, I'm sure that others here on this list can provide that or you can always use your school's server for that. My exboyfriend when he was in college did this before he got his own domain name which was fine but, not everyone could access it and, if you want all access that might not be for you.

I hope this information is helpful for you with your it class. Take care and good luck with it!



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:20 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions

Hi all,
As you might remember I’m in an introduction computer concepts class. I want the knowledge to be a wise computer consumer and user. We are learning about computer components like the CPU and motherboard and types of memory.
We also have to learn basic html and website design. We publish these small webpages on our school server eventually. That is just one of many assignments; we also go over the microsoft office suite.

So my questions for those familiar with website making.
1. What software do you publish with? I’m curious. I know many are not accessible. Maybe microsoft office front page?
We are taught to write the html codes in notepad and save it as a html file.
We don’t need software for the class.
Also, any accessible tutorials about html or website design? Our professor gave some to us, online tutorials. I’ll see if they’re readable with jaws.


2. How do you handle the visual stuff such as graphics, color of text, and background color? Will jaws read the colors when you open it up in a web browser? I suspect you just have to see it with low vision if you have it or ask a sighted person.

3. What is the difference between hyperlinks with relative and absolute paths? My instructor doesn’t explain much about the codes; we just look at the lab assignment and type it in. There is a code for each hyperlink put in.

4. Any tips for learning the color and font system called CSS, cascading style sheets? Do I just memorize the codes and what they mean. Not that we are getting that fancy though.

5. Are there free places to publish websites? I do not think you have to purchase web software or a website domain. Doesn’t google have something free? I doubt I’ll publish, but wanted to know in case I decide to make websites in the future.
I’m using Word to read the lab assignment and find it challenging to remember all the code and type it in exactly as it says in notepad. I do a few words and characters at a time. What is interesting to me is that there are six types of heading levels; 1 is the biggest and six the smallest. 
So one number in the code makes a difference! the code is <h1> or a 2 for heading 2.
Thanks.
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 05:14:41 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 00:14:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
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Beth,
Many schools have a learning center where they have tutors there; these 
tutors are students who work for the school and took the class already; 
another idea is if he can afford it, hire a tutor through a tutoring agency.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Thanks, Anjelina.  I"ll let my friend know about this.  I just
wonder how he can get a tutor or reader outside of class.
Statistics is hard from what I heard.
Beth

----- Original Message -----
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:03:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Hi Beth,

I'm taking Statistics. I'll be working with a tutor outside of
class, and if
I have any difficulties with MyMathLab, the tutor has agreed to
read
homework assignments.
The instructor is willing to help in anyway  to insure I have
equal access
to course content.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:52 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

What course are you currently taking, Anjelina?  This guy is
taking Math for Liberal Arts.  What math courses are you using
and does the teacher provide an equally accessible experience for
you?
beth

----- Original Message -----
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:44:55 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

I'm currently using My Math lab and it so far seems accessible.
I'm using
JAWS 13 with Windows 7

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:40 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Thanks, Ashley.  Does anyone else who is currently in a math
course know if MyMathLab is accessible?  That's interesting,
Ashley.  My friend is using JAWS 13 I believe, but I'm not sure.
He's also using Windows 7.  You guys have my permission to
forwadrd my initial email to the Electronics or Math lists.
Whichever lists might help.
Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:35:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Here we go again. Four years ago when I took math it was not. but
I heard it
improved.
If it uses flash as it used to, no it is not accessible. If its
more text
based, then yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:23 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Hi, all.
Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is
accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and
he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?
Answers, please?
Beth

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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Jan 22 05:21:21 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:21:21 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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	Dear Ashley,
I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and problems at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when I began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of these problems relating to yours.

As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't receive any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking many questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and, then I knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in one of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which was helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for college. And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely on the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it for the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around campus well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for purchase all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of fact it's her second one to be certain of that!

As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you advised the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.

As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a accessible format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at my community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my own or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.

Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.

So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope that you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
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Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

Hi all,

Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.

I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.

First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!

Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?

Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille tests!

Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its not laid out well.

Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too. Publishers need to get with the program!

Ashley
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Jan 22 05:29:17 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:29:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] The importance of public speaking training
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Hello Bridget,

Thanks for sharing this awesome suggestions and thread on doing
good public speaking in the pr field. I was wondering if you
could send to me off list a link or a copy of this manual that
you discussed in your post to me? The reason that I ask is that
I'm pr person myself and, I have done lots of work in the pr
field both in nonprofit work specifically for the nfb and also in
media relations too. And, I think that this would help me out
professionally and personally too since I have done lots of
public speaking engagements and, I plan to pursue more in my near
future.

Thanks again for the information and, I will talk to you soon.




Hugs,
amy

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Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 2:26 PM
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Subject: [nabs-l] The importance of public speaking training

Jedi,

You're absolutely correct. Any group or organization attempting
to gain
"converts," (smile( needs to have specific language when talking
about
the benefits of training and why an organization like NFB is
essential
in our society. Anyone somewhat familiar with psychology will
know using
words like "we" and "I feel or believe," are key words to help
remove
tension and personal emotions in a discussion. People don't want
to feel
as though they are sitting through a lecture or being told they
are
wrong and bad for not doing this or that. Whether we believe
whole-heartedly in something or not, we all reach certain
understandings
in our own time. Like anything else, we can live by example,
discuss the
benefits of training and nonvisual skills and how it's important
blind
people be accepted as equals, hence the importance of
organizations of
the blind, but ultimately, it is up to the individual to accept
these
ideas or not. Pontificating wins no one over to causes and
groups. Not
only do we have to persuade people, but we have to be very aware
of how
we go about this persuasion. Jedi has brought this up before, but
for
those of us with experience in public speaking, we know the
importance
of including all individuals in a discussion, and being conscious
how we
approach topics whether one-on-one or with a group. I think it
would be
super beneficial for the Federation to create a team to devise
specific
plans to be implemented for public speaking. This team could
develop a
handbook of sorts detailing the best ways in which to approach
certain
topics and how to be effective when speaking to the public. This
team
could also work with affiliates on training people in the art of
public
speaking. As we continue to push Federation initiatives and seek
out new
members, public speaking will be, and is, a vital aspect, and we
need to
be well prepared for such activities. This is why corporations
and
organizations hire PR and media relations teams to help prepare
PR
strategies which include public speaking, and many of these teams
will
offer speech writers and public speaking specialist to help the
group
prepare for speaking engagements. While interning with a PR firm
last
summer, I worked on an account with a nonprofit in Nevada, and
one of my
specific duties was to develop a public speaking handbook which
included
key points to keep in mind when speaking in public and how to
dress
during speaking engagements. I also drafted briefs for some
clients in
our local school districts on certain legislation specific to
issues
affecting students, and helped incorporate this information in
speeches
used for school administrators when speaking during committee
meetings
and with parents. Public speaking is vital to almost every group,
employer and organization out there. Being well prepared and
knowing
what to do is essential in winning people over to a cause. To
make this
a nation-wide effort within the Federation would be a good idea.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 7
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:49:05 -0500
From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization
of
	the	blind?
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You know, it occurs to me that part of the "problem" (in quotes)
that 
we're discussing has much to do with our "recruitment speech" (in

quotes). I think it was Bridgit who felt that the P word scares
people 
off. Maybe instead of talking about a philosophy of blindness,
there's 
always the option of saying "I believe." For instance, I believe
that 
the blind are as capable as anyone else. Or, I believe that
training is 
a key component to functioning as a blind person in a sighted
world. 
Or, I think that social definitions of blindness are a much
bigger 
problem than actually not being able to see. These phrases should
be 
familiar to you, but they're just worded differently.

And as to the issue of persuading people to get training, it's
tricky. 
No one likes to hear that they have much to learn, and I don't
care 
what the topic of conversation is. We all like to believe that
we've 
got it together even if it's obvious to outsiders that we don't.
I 
could really believe this to be especially the case when
discussing an 
emotionally charged topic like adapting to vision loss. Not only
would 
someone like not to hear that they haven't got it together, but
they 
don't want to hear that they're blind enough to need such
services to 
begin with. Now, legitimately, there are those who really don't
need 
such services, but there are many more who would find them useful
if 
they ever decided to try. So as a result of all this, I've taken
to 
describing how blindness training has helped me if and when it
seems 
appropriate. Most people can draw the line between their
experience and 
mine. But at the very least, they realize that i'm talkiing about

myself and not them, so it takes some of the pressure off.
Another 
option is to just wait and let the individual identify issues
they're 
having and talk about how blindness training helped you to
overcome 
similar barriers. And then there's always the option of just
waiting it 
out. Sure, some folks told me I needed training. But I think I
really 
made that discovery for myself when I noticed that the totally
blind 
Federationists around me could function in ways I could not and
that 
the partially blind Federationists around me functioned no matter
what 
they saw at any given point.

Respectfully,
Jedi


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From carisuekness at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 05:42:23 2012
From: carisuekness at gmail.com (Cari Kness)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:42:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] question about stats software
Message-ID: <4f1ba1c4.c6a1320a.1b02.ffffa339@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
My name is Cari. I'm working on my social work degree in saint Louis 
MO. I've been on and off NABS list before depending on time and traffic.
I have a question. I'm taking Social Statistics this semester. We're 
using the stats entry software SPSS. Actually I believe it goes by 
PSW or something like that.
A. Does anyone have experience with this software using speech? I use 
JAWS 13 with Windows 7 on my netbook and the school's computers also 
run Windows 7 with Windoweyes latest version. I think most of the 
work with the software is in class. I am working on finding an in 
class reader but have not had any success so far.
B. I was talking to my prof and she said I could have an exception so 
I wouldn't have to use the software. She says the homework does not 
use it and the points difference is small but then she said it would 
be 75 points she'd adjust.
C. I do not like the school's systems and would probably be better 
off using my own computer. Is there any version of this program 
available for free or at least for a trial period?

I'm going back and forth on this. On the one hand I don't like to 
take exceptions if I don't have to. It may be true that I'll never 
use SPSS again but I would be able to work on my skills of finely 
directing a reader and learning to use output info from them.
On the other hand, if using the software if not going to work and I 
can't find another way in class with a reader, is it really worth the 
head ache?
I'm exploring my options and told my prof that I'd think about it and 
get back to her. If I can, I'd like to work with the program long 
enough to get the feel for it and work with my outside reader. I 
suppose I can't rule out working with another classmate. Is this 
option enifitial for both students?  There is another blind student 
in the class. She has offered to help me because she uses Zoombext 
and other visual aids. I thought it was a nice offer but it appeared 
like she was struggling to keep up herself and I fear that she would 
not be able to give me the information I need to do the work.
I'm leaning on finding a way to make it work to learn the software to 
do the work with the rest of the class or outside it for the same 
redit. What have you experienced? What suggestions do you have?
Thanks for your help.
Peace,
Cari 



From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Jan 22 05:44:48 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:44:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
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	Hello beth,

As to your question on using mymathlab on the computer which is a
cd program to use for the math class in a college setting is not
accessible with jfw at all. My sister has tried this software for
one of her math classes and, she discovered this herself.

I'm sorry for this and, I hope your friend can find a more
helpful and accessible program for his math class.



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:23 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Hi, all.
Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is 
accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and 
he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?  
Answers, please?
Beth

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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Jan 22 05:55:23 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:55:23 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference
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Hello Ashley,

I'm soooo happy that you have decided to purchase a laptop. I have my second one which I got 2 years ago and, it works awesome! It's a Toshiba but, I don't know the ram or other features on it. But, if you email me off list I can share all of that with you. Yes, it has a number pad and, as for battery life it's about 6-8 hrs. that's one of the features that I love on it. My dell inspirine that I had which was my first laptop that I had for almost 5 years only had a battery life for about 3-4 hrs which wasn't good at all for both school and work.

As for the ms office products most laptops don't come with that feature you will have to purchase that yourself personally. Ii already had that software package so, I just loaded the disk onto my laptop just like I would for jfew or any other software which is on c.d.

As for internet explorer my Toshiba came with both of that feature and, it also came with windows media player too which so did my old dell inspirine did too! As for wireless my Toshiba has wonderful wireless components both at home and at school or wherever I have gone too like to conventions and other places for travel like when I went home to Michigan to visit with my family before they moved to Colorado this fall. But, my old dell inspirine had wireless components for the internet but, the signal coverage was soooo slow and, it was content like my Toshiba is!

So, in all aspects I would recommend the Toshiba laptop that I have. Or any laptop by Toshiba since both of parents have one and, my sister has a netbook by them too. I hope all of this information is helpful to you. Take care and good luck in finding a good laptop for your needs!




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:57 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference

Hi all,
I am thinking of getting a laptop so I have more options for studying and personal notetaking.
We finally have jaws 13 at school; that i s a plus. But with a laptop I can take it to professor’s offices or anywhere.

Reasons I avoided them was their weight,  ability to boot up fast, and the fact that many did not have a number pad; I want that to use with jaws. then I can use  the commands and layout I’m used to.
However, they have improved their speed and battery life in recent years. I heard some have number pads.
Will they come with an email client like outlook I hope, a internet explorer,
and windows media player?

When I get one I want:
a number pad
a cd /dvd drive 
lots of memory; maybe a few GB
prefer one with a sd card slot as well.


So which laptop did you pick and why? How fast do they boot up? How much memory? Are all laptops built with internet connection now? Many places, including my school, have wireless internet ability.
I assume all have a web browser, probably internet explorer.
Also how long will the thing run on battery power? Just wanted some opinions since if I spend money for a laptop, it should meet my personal, academic and professional needs. I am thinking a laptop might be a good thing to demonstrate to a potential employer or to take for my volunteer work as well.

Ashley
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From carisuekness at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 05:55:12 2012
From: carisuekness at gmail.com (Cari Kness)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:55:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
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Hi Beth,
I just took a College Algebra class last semester. It was all done on 
the computer. The disability services office helped me find a 
reader/tutor and Rehab paid for him. The lectures were done on line 
as well. We devised a way so I recorded the lectures using my 
computer and bookport. This works with the sense and stream..and 
access to a computer. Before doing that homework I'd listen to the 
lecture and work through the samples. I also had the book in braille, 
though the class didn't really use it. For homework my reader would 
read the problem on the computer and I'd work it out on my own. He 
acted as tutor so sometimes we'd work through a problem together. 
Personally I used plain white paper and black sharpe's to do the job. 
A slate and stylus will work too. When I found the answer, my reader 
entered it in the computer and gave me the message. Tests and quizzes 
worked the same way.

I was really freaked about the computer format of the class and 
working with somebody new but it turned out to be really good. I not 
only learned college algebra but learned how to direct a reader and 
take in feedback. I did get lucky because he had worked with other 
blind people before but everyone works in their own way. I also 
learned to give new situations a chance and with a will and some 
effort, things tend to work themselves out. I feel the same way about 
my stats by the way even if I don't know what the right solution is yet.
Hope this helps.
Peace,
Cari

At 11:14 PM 1/21/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>Beth,
>Many schools have a learning center where they have tutors there; 
>these tutors are students who work for the school and took the class 
>already; another idea is if he can afford it, hire a tutor through a 
>tutoring agency.
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Beth
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:28 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
>Thanks, Anjelina.  I"ll let my friend know about this.  I just
>wonder how he can get a tutor or reader outside of class.
>Statistics is hard from what I heard.
>Beth
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:03:31 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
>Hi Beth,
>
>I'm taking Statistics. I'll be working with a tutor outside of
>class, and if
>I have any difficulties with MyMathLab, the tutor has agreed to
>read
>homework assignments.
>The instructor is willing to help in anyway  to insure I have
>equal access
>to course content.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Beth
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:52 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
>What course are you currently taking, Anjelina?  This guy is
>taking Math for Liberal Arts.  What math courses are you using
>and does the teacher provide an equally accessible experience for
>you?
>beth
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:44:55 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
>I'm currently using My Math lab and it so far seems accessible.
>I'm using
>JAWS 13 with Windows 7
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Beth
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:40 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
>Thanks, Ashley.  Does anyone else who is currently in a math
>course know if MyMathLab is accessible?  That's interesting,
>Ashley.  My friend is using JAWS 13 I believe, but I'm not sure.
>He's also using Windows 7.  You guys have my permission to
>forwadrd my initial email to the Electronics or Math lists.
>Whichever lists might help.
>Beth
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:35:30 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
>Here we go again. Four years ago when I took math it was not. but
>I heard it
>improved.
>If it uses flash as it used to, no it is not accessible. If its
>more text
>based, then yes.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Beth
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:23 PM
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
>Hi, all.
>Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is
>accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and
>he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?
>Answers, please?
>Beth
>
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Jan 22 06:01:55 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:01:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
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Hello josh,

No, if you are using google-talk you will have to use that
interface for your internet messenger. But, like I said you can
use windows live messenger for all of the of the in clients but,
you have to only download the windows live messenger. You, don't
have to get a msn messenger account I believe. But, I could be
wrong on that one. If not you can always email msn on that
questions since they can offer you more answers more ddirectfrom
them me personally.

I hope this information is helpful for you!



Good luck,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of josh gregory
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:02 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Ok, shall try to combine thoughts here:
Yeah, had Miranda, uninstalled it from my laptop for instantbird.
While not perfect it is at least a bit easier to use and set up
than
Miranda.
  Secondly, Ashley, yes, I do agree with you on your point, but
our
society is rapidly advancing toward a new age of online
communication
every day, what with phones that let you check email, browse the
web,
and more, as well as just computers and the internet in general.
And, thirdly, Amy, would you happen to know if I could set up my
google talk account in Windows Messenger without having to get an
msn
account? Thanks!
Best,
Josh

On 1/21/12, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello chris and all,
>
> Sorry, for the late notice on this topic but, I will throw in
my
> 2 cents worth on this topic. Yes, aim is accessible with jfw. I
> use it with jfw and, it works fine. I have this along with
> windows live messenger both on my computers and, I use both.
But,
> as others have said the newest version of windows live
messenger
> has an awesome tool that you can use.
>
> If you don't want to download aim if you know of anyone who
uses
> aim, google-talk, or yahoo messenger you can chat with all of
> your friends through only using one instant messenger client
> which is windows live messenger.
>
> When you add a contact don't to forget to include all of their
> contact information like for aim screen name or for the other
im
> clients like google-talk or yahoo messenger just put in their
> emailaddress/screen name with google or yahoo.com and, then add
> them to your contacts. Then you are ready to go!
>
> Another awesome feature added to the newest version of windows
> live messenger is that you can configure all of your facebook
> friends into your msn messenger client and, then you can chat
> with them by using the facebook chat feature through windows
live
> messenger since thee facebook chat feature on the facebook.com
> site isn't accessible with jfw.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have the link for the newest version of
> windows live messenger but, if you just google it or go to
> msn.com then I'm sure that you will find it!
>
> I hope this information is helpful to you all! Take care and
> happy chatting!
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>
> Hi Chris,
> I have heard of Miranda but it appears to be a little tedious
to
> set
> up, so given that I still find AIM relatively usable (see my
> previous
> post) I decided that it's not really worth my effort at this
> point. I
> have heard that it works really well with JAWS once it is
> configured
> properly though, so feel free to give it a try if you are
feeling
> technologically adventurous!
> To answer your other question, I don't believe that the gchat
> program
> can be configured to connect with AIM. I don't know about your
> circle
> of friends, but from my personal experience I have found that
AIM
> has
> somewhat fallen out of favor; most people I know use Google or
> Facebook Chat instead. I mainly use AIM as a way to access the
> other
> IM clients on my PC, which are not as accessible. If you do
have
> friends who are AIM users, I would encourage you to give the
> program a
> try-- It's not perfect but really shouldn't disappoint too
much!
> Katie
>
>
> On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Katie,
>>
>> I have heard of people using AIM with a chat client called
>> Miranda, which apparently makes AIM and other chat services
> more
>> accessible with JAWS.  Also, a question: you said that the
> latest
>> version of AIM enables you to connect to Google or Facebook
> chat.
>> So will this work the other way around; can I chat with
> somebody
>> using AIM by using Google Chat on my BrailleNote?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.
> The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education
that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>>
>> Hi Patrick,
>> AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall
>> user-friendly,
>> intuitive interface.  Its most recent version (7.5, I believe)
>> also
>> allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a
>> great
>> feature since both of these popular IM  services are not
>> particularly
>> accessible.  While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking
>> incoming
>> messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does
not
>> work
>> as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over
> to
>> the
>> Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in,
> which
>> is a
>> little annoying but not too big of a deal.  Hope this helps!
>> Katie
>>
>>
>> On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Hey Guys,
>>  I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm
>> using
>>  Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12.  Any
>> tips/suggestions/help you
>>  can give me would be great.
>>  Thanks,
>>  Patrick
>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 06:08:39 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:08:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] question about stats software
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Hi Cari,
I'm a grad student in social psychology and have taken several
statistics courses so I'll offer you a few suggestions.
I use a different program called SAS for my data analysis instead of
SPSS. From what I've heard, SPSS is generally accessible with JAWS.
However, unless you  can run JAWS on the school computers, you will
probably have to buy some sort of license to get it installed on your
own computer. It's probably not cost-effective for one semester unless
you plan to do more research/statistics in the future.
I think you have a few options:
(1) Work on the assignments with a reader or classmate. I think
working with another student is fine and you and the student can
discuss interpretation of the output, or the student can simply tell
you what the output says. They're still learning by doing the SPSS
commands and you're still learning because you need to interpret the
output.
(2) Ask your professor or TA if you can use a free software program
instead. Two options I know of are "R" and a web-based program called
Graphpad Quickcalcs. I don't know much about R but I can help you with
Graphpad Quickcalcs if you decide to use it. It's Web-based and very
easy to learn. If you use one of these free options instead of SPSS,
you will still have the educational experience of entering data  and
commands as well as interpreting the output.
I'm with you about not getting an exception, I think if there is a
reasonable way to adapt the course assignments you should have the
opportunity to learn the same things as the other students.
If you want to talk more feel free to call me at
602-502-2255
or email me off-list.
Best,
Arielle

On 1/21/12, Cari Kness <carisuekness at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
> My name is Cari. I'm working on my social work degree in saint Louis
> MO. I've been on and off NABS list before depending on time and traffic.
> I have a question. I'm taking Social Statistics this semester. We're
> using the stats entry software SPSS. Actually I believe it goes by
> PSW or something like that.
> A. Does anyone have experience with this software using speech? I use
> JAWS 13 with Windows 7 on my netbook and the school's computers also
> run Windows 7 with Windoweyes latest version. I think most of the
> work with the software is in class. I am working on finding an in
> class reader but have not had any success so far.
> B. I was talking to my prof and she said I could have an exception so
> I wouldn't have to use the software. She says the homework does not
> use it and the points difference is small but then she said it would
> be 75 points she'd adjust.
> C. I do not like the school's systems and would probably be better
> off using my own computer. Is there any version of this program
> available for free or at least for a trial period?
>
> I'm going back and forth on this. On the one hand I don't like to
> take exceptions if I don't have to. It may be true that I'll never
> use SPSS again but I would be able to work on my skills of finely
> directing a reader and learning to use output info from them.
> On the other hand, if using the software if not going to work and I
> can't find another way in class with a reader, is it really worth the
> head ache?
> I'm exploring my options and told my prof that I'd think about it and
> get back to her. If I can, I'd like to work with the program long
> enough to get the feel for it and work with my outside reader. I
> suppose I can't rule out working with another classmate. Is this
> option enifitial for both students?  There is another blind student
> in the class. She has offered to help me because she uses Zoombext
> and other visual aids. I thought it was a nice offer but it appeared
> like she was struggling to keep up herself and I fear that she would
> not be able to give me the information I need to do the work.
> I'm leaning on finding a way to make it work to learn the software to
> do the work with the rest of the class or outside it for the same
> redit. What have you experienced? What suggestions do you have?
> Thanks for your help.
> Peace,
> Cari
>
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From joshkart12 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 06:33:26 2012
From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 01:33:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
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Ok, Amy. Thanks!

On 1/22/12, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello josh,
>
> No, if you are using google-talk you will have to use that
> interface for your internet messenger. But, like I said you can
> use windows live messenger for all of the of the in clients but,
> you have to only download the windows live messenger. You, don't
> have to get a msn messenger account I believe. But, I could be
> wrong on that one. If not you can always email msn on that
> questions since they can offer you more answers more ddirectfrom
> them me personally.
>
> I hope this information is helpful for you!
>
>
>
> Good luck,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of josh gregory
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:02 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>
> Ok, shall try to combine thoughts here:
> Yeah, had Miranda, uninstalled it from my laptop for instantbird.
> While not perfect it is at least a bit easier to use and set up
> than
> Miranda.
>   Secondly, Ashley, yes, I do agree with you on your point, but
> our
> society is rapidly advancing toward a new age of online
> communication
> every day, what with phones that let you check email, browse the
> web,
> and more, as well as just computers and the internet in general.
> And, thirdly, Amy, would you happen to know if I could set up my
> google talk account in Windows Messenger without having to get an
> msn
> account? Thanks!
> Best,
> Josh
>
> On 1/21/12, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hello chris and all,
>>
>> Sorry, for the late notice on this topic but, I will throw in
> my
>> 2 cents worth on this topic. Yes, aim is accessible with jfw. I
>> use it with jfw and, it works fine. I have this along with
>> windows live messenger both on my computers and, I use both.
> But,
>> as others have said the newest version of windows live
> messenger
>> has an awesome tool that you can use.
>>
>> If you don't want to download aim if you know of anyone who
> uses
>> aim, google-talk, or yahoo messenger you can chat with all of
>> your friends through only using one instant messenger client
>> which is windows live messenger.
>>
>> When you add a contact don't to forget to include all of their
>> contact information like for aim screen name or for the other
> im
>> clients like google-talk or yahoo messenger just put in their
>> emailaddress/screen name with google or yahoo.com and, then add
>> them to your contacts. Then you are ready to go!
>>
>> Another awesome feature added to the newest version of windows
>> live messenger is that you can configure all of your facebook
>> friends into your msn messenger client and, then you can chat
>> with them by using the facebook chat feature through windows
> live
>> messenger since thee facebook chat feature on the facebook.com
>> site isn't accessible with jfw.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I don't have the link for the newest version of
>> windows live messenger but, if you just google it or go to
>> msn.com then I'm sure that you will find it!
>>
>> I hope this information is helpful to you all! Take care and
>> happy chatting!
>>
>>
>>
>> Hugs,
>> amy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:05 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> I have heard of Miranda but it appears to be a little tedious
> to
>> set
>> up, so given that I still find AIM relatively usable (see my
>> previous
>> post) I decided that it's not really worth my effort at this
>> point. I
>> have heard that it works really well with JAWS once it is
>> configured
>> properly though, so feel free to give it a try if you are
> feeling
>> technologically adventurous!
>> To answer your other question, I don't believe that the gchat
>> program
>> can be configured to connect with AIM. I don't know about your
>> circle
>> of friends, but from my personal experience I have found that
> AIM
>> has
>> somewhat fallen out of favor; most people I know use Google or
>> Facebook Chat instead. I mainly use AIM as a way to access the
>> other
>> IM clients on my PC, which are not as accessible. If you do
> have
>> friends who are AIM users, I would encourage you to give the
>> program a
>> try-- It's not perfect but really shouldn't disappoint too
> much!
>> Katie
>>
>>
>> On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Katie,
>>>
>>> I have heard of people using AIM with a chat client called
>>> Miranda, which apparently makes AIM and other chat services
>> more
>>> accessible with JAWS.  Also, a question: you said that the
>> latest
>>> version of AIM enables you to connect to Google or Facebook
>> chat.
>>> So will this work the other way around; can I chat with
>> somebody
>>> using AIM by using Google Chat on my BrailleNote?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.
>> The
>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education
> that
>>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>> nuisance."
>>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>>>
>>> Hi Patrick,
>>> AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall
>>> user-friendly,
>>> intuitive interface.  Its most recent version (7.5, I believe)
>>> also
>>> allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a
>>> great
>>> feature since both of these popular IM  services are not
>>> particularly
>>> accessible.  While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking
>>> incoming
>>> messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does
> not
>>> work
>>> as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over
>> to
>>> the
>>> Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in,
>> which
>>> is a
>>> little annoying but not too big of a deal.  Hope this helps!
>>> Katie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  Hey Guys,
>>>  I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm
>>> using
>>>  Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12.  Any
>>> tips/suggestions/help you
>>>  can give me would be great.
>>>  Thanks,
>>>  Patrick
>>>
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 07:33:36 2012
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 02:33:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school is
	notaccomodating
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I have a scanner with a feeder. I cut the binding off the book and with the 
help of a reader separate it into chapters. Then, I feed each chapter threw 
the scanner. It scanned each page on both sides in a matter of seconds. 
Adobe professional was provided with the scanner, witch creates accessible 
PDF files from the scans.



I forget the name of the manufacturer that makes the scanner.



State rehab purchased it for me for around $800. I have kerswile, however, 
hardly use it because the software that was provided with the scanner does a 
much more accurate job. However, if you can get both, I would, because 
kerswile is still helpful and I do use it from time to time.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school is 
notaccomodating


> You can scan books with it, one page at a time.
> Arielle
>
> On 1/21/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Bridgit and everyone,
>>
>> Is there a way to scan books with Kurzweil? I thought you have to
>> scan page-by-page with Kurzweil, but I have heard people on this
>> list saying that they can scan books with it.  How do you do
>> that?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:56:57 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] School is not accomodating
>>
>> I have been very fortunate with my university experience because
>> I
>> didn't not have to deal with the issues I have read many others
>> have had
>> to face.  I'm no expert, but I believe universities and colleges
>> must
>> supply reasonable accommodations for students with disabilities
>> which
>> would include accessible formats for textbooks in a reasonable
>> amount of
>> time.  My campus DSO required all registered DSO students to
>> contact
>> instructors before each term with book info so the DSO staff
>> could work
>> on finding accessible formats and scanning material if necessary.
>> Along
>> with grad and honor students, students with disabilities on my
>> campus
>> qualified for early registration too which helped with the entire
>> process.  And I also have Kurzweil at home so I have the ability
>> to scan
>> things at my own leisure.  My DSO also outsourced for Braille,
>> but it was
>> an option and it was done in a timely fashion.  I agree with
>> others that
>> you, Ashley, need to speak with your local agency for the blind
>> along
>> with your DSO, and it may be helpful to request advocacy help
>> from any
>> local Federation presence available.  I'm not sure of all your
>> rights
>> involved here, but I believe your DSO may not be working with you
>> the
>> way in which it should.
>>
>> The JAWS problem is a tough one as well.  Nowadays, laptops are
>> quite
>> light so "lugging" one around isn't all that bad.  I started
>> using a
>> Netbook for my last two years of university and loved it.  It
>> weighs less
>> than two pounds and works for what I need.  I can access the
>> internet and
>> use MS Office.  And of course JAWS was installed on it.  The
>> keyboard is
>> condensed and some of the keys are placed differently than a
>> regular
>> keyboard, but any laptop is laid out like this, and you adjust
>> pretty
>> quickly to the smaller keys if you use the Netbook enough, which
>> if a
>> student, I imagine you would.  A Netbook is just one option
>> though.  I've
>> not had problems with my Netbook.  If your DSO is not able to
>> provide
>> JAWS in a way that works for you, I suggest you have your own
>> laptop.
>>
>> As for Braille signs, yes, Braille signs should be placed around
>> buildings for blind people just as ramps and accessible bathroom
>> stalls
>> are suppose to exist for those in wheelchairs.  However, as long
>> as room
>> numbers and what office a door is, such as DSO or Registrar,
>> that's all
>> that's necessary.  Including instructors name on doors isn't
>> practical
>> for rooms at large as multiple instructors will use the same
>> rooms, and
>> for instructor offices, their office number should be made
>> available to
>> students on syllabi and by asking an instructor for it, or
>> calling
>> campus for it.  So I don't find it necessary to also place a name
>> on a
>> door if you have the number, and instructors don't always end up
>> in the
>> same office areas all the time, though typically they remain in a
>> given
>> office during their term as an instructor.  At my university,
>> most
>> instructor offices were large areas containing multiple rooms
>> within one
>> are for particular instructors such as all history profs.  In the
>> same
>> area.  So say room 140  will then hold multiple rooms within it
>> so say my
>> profs.  Room is 140 E.  These areas would have a receptionist
>> working in
>> the outer area.  Anyway, as long as you know where their office
>> is
>> located, you shouldn't also require a name along with the room
>> number.
>>
>> Finally, the world is not set up for easy navigation- blind or
>> sighted.
>> Infrastructures, buildings, homes, neighborhoods, they're not
>> always
>> constructed for easy navigation.  As blind people, we need to
>> understand
>> and realize this.  We will encounter situations like this through
>> life so
>> we can't expect anyone to follow a certain way of designing space
>> just
>> for one purpose.  Fair or not, this is life.  I do not believe
>> there are
>> any ADA guidelines requiring buildings to have "easy" navigation
>> for
>> blind people, and I don't believe this is necessary.  If you are
>> uncomfortable navigating a space, request help from an O & M
>> instructor
>> or perhaps a friend who is also blind who has good travel skills
>> to
>> help.  This is a touchy subject, I know, but the interior design
>> of a
>> building is not something a DSO or anyone needs to consider in
>> terms of
>> accessibility.  Again, fair or not, this is how it is.  I do not
>> claim to
>> be the best traveler, nor did I when sighted, but I do know that
>> we
>> can't complain about how buildings are structured just because we
>> are
>> blind.  We must take the initiative to learn areas we frequent,
>> and seek
>> the best travel instruction possible.  It can be an adjustment,
>> and like
>> anything, some will take to it quicker than others, but when we
>> have no
>> true mobility issue, meaning we have full use of our legs, there
>> really
>> is no reason we can't learn to navigate space independently and
>> efficiently even in areas not designed with blind people in mind.
>> No DSO
>> is required to find a space "easy" to navigate when it comes to
>> the
>> services it offers.  This is something you and perhaps your rehab
>> agency
>> need to discuss.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>> Read my blog at:
>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>
>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 07:41:44 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 00:41:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
Message-ID: <4f1bbdde.e6d9320a.315b.ffffd00f@mx.google.com>

Thanks, Brianna.  My friend was working MyMathLab today, and we 
found VEND DIAGRAMS that he couldn't draw, so we're worried that 
the points system is discriminatory and he may need a tutor or 
help from the instructor.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Brianna Scerenscko <bfs1206 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:38:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Mymathlab is acessable with Jaws 12 only at this point.  It's
accessable for the most part; Jaws doesn't read the graphs of 
corse,
and it also may read certain problems a little funny because of 
the
way they're written in print, however, after a few attempts at 
the
problem, I think I got the jist of what the problem was and was 
able
to solve it.  There are many buttons on the site that you have to 
use,
but don't worry, they're all accessable.
Hope this helps.


On 1/21/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
 Thanks, Anjelina.  I"ll let my friend know about this.  I just
 wonder how he can get a tutor or reader outside of class.
 Statistics is hard from what I heard.
 Beth

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:03:31 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

 Hi Beth,

 I'm taking Statistics. I'll be working with a tutor outside of
 class, and if
 I have any difficulties with MyMathLab, the tutor has agreed to
 read
 homework assignments.
 The instructor is willing to help in anyway  to insure I have
 equal access
 to course content.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Beth
 Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:52 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

 What course are you currently taking, Anjelina?  This guy is
 taking Math for Liberal Arts.  What math courses are you using
 and does the teacher provide an equally accessible experience 
for
 you?
 beth

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:44:55 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

 I'm currently using My Math lab and it so far seems accessible.
 I'm using
 JAWS 13 with Windows 7

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Beth
 Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:40 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

 Thanks, Ashley.  Does anyone else who is currently in a math
 course know if MyMathLab is accessible?  That's interesting,
 Ashley.  My friend is using JAWS 13 I believe, but I'm not sure.
 He's also using Windows 7.  You guys have my permission to
 forwadrd my initial email to the Electronics or Math lists.
 Whichever lists might help.
 Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:35:30 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

 Here we go again. Four years ago when I took math it was not. 
but
 I heard it
 improved.
 If it uses flash as it used to, no it is not accessible. If its
 more text
 based, then yes.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Beth
 Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:23 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

 Hi, all.
 Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is
 accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and
 he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?
 Answers, please?
 Beth

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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 07:41:46 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 00:41:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
Message-ID: <4f1bbde1.e6d9320a.315b.ffffd014@mx.google.com>

Great ideas, Ahley.  I'll consult with him.  See my previous 
email about the vend diagram.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 00:14:41 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Beth,
Many schools have a learning center where they have tutors there; 
these
tutors are students who work for the school and took the class 
already;
another idea is if he can afford it, hire a tutor through a 
tutoring agency.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Thanks, Anjelina.  I"ll let my friend know about this.  I just
wonder how he can get a tutor or reader outside of class.
Statistics is hard from what I heard.
Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:03:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Hi Beth,

I'm taking Statistics. I'll be working with a tutor outside of
class, and if
I have any difficulties with MyMathLab, the tutor has agreed to
read
homework assignments.
The instructor is willing to help in anyway  to insure I have
equal access
to course content.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:52 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

What course are you currently taking, Anjelina?  This guy is
taking Math for Liberal Arts.  What math courses are you using
and does the teacher provide an equally accessible experience for
you?
beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:44:55 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

I'm currently using My Math lab and it so far seems accessible.
I'm using
JAWS 13 with Windows 7

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:40 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Thanks, Ashley.  Does anyone else who is currently in a math
course know if MyMathLab is accessible?  That's interesting,
Ashley.  My friend is using JAWS 13 I believe, but I'm not sure.
He's also using Windows 7.  You guys have my permission to
forwadrd my initial email to the Electronics or Math lists.
Whichever lists might help.
Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:35:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Here we go again. Four years ago when I took math it was not. but
I heard it
improved.
If it uses flash as it used to, no it is not accessible. If its
more text
based, then yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:23 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility

Hi, all.
Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is
accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and
he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?
Answers, please?
Beth

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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 13:03:29 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:03:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school is
	notaccomodating
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Hi Chris, I have scanned books with it. I unforchenitly had to go page by
page and I found it difficult. I did use something to help keep my place
when it came to remembering what page I just scanned but that really didn't
help. I ended up scanning the same page a few times and not many pages were
readable either.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:01 PM
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Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school is
notaccomodating

Hi Bridgit and everyone,

Is there a way to scan books with Kurzweil? I thought you have to 
scan page-by-page with Kurzweil, but I have heard people on this 
list saying that they can scan books with it.  How do you do 
that?
Thanks,

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:56:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] School is not accomodating

I have been very fortunate with my university experience because 
I
didn't not have to deal with the issues I have read many others 
have had
to face.  I'm no expert, but I believe universities and colleges 
must
supply reasonable accommodations for students with disabilities 
which
would include accessible formats for textbooks in a reasonable 
amount of
time.  My campus DSO required all registered DSO students to 
contact
instructors before each term with book info so the DSO staff 
could work
on finding accessible formats and scanning material if necessary.  
Along
with grad and honor students, students with disabilities on my 
campus
qualified for early registration too which helped with the entire
process.  And I also have Kurzweil at home so I have the ability 
to scan
things at my own leisure.  My DSO also outsourced for Braille, 
but it was
an option and it was done in a timely fashion.  I agree with 
others that
you, Ashley, need to speak with your local agency for the blind 
along
with your DSO, and it may be helpful to request advocacy help 
from any
local Federation presence available.  I'm not sure of all your 
rights
involved here, but I believe your DSO may not be working with you 
the
way in which it should.

The JAWS problem is a tough one as well.  Nowadays, laptops are 
quite
light so "lugging" one around isn't all that bad.  I started 
using a
Netbook for my last two years of university and loved it.  It 
weighs less
than two pounds and works for what I need.  I can access the 
internet and
use MS Office.  And of course JAWS was installed on it.  The 
keyboard is
condensed and some of the keys are placed differently than a 
regular
keyboard, but any laptop is laid out like this, and you adjust 
pretty
quickly to the smaller keys if you use the Netbook enough, which 
if a
student, I imagine you would.  A Netbook is just one option 
though.  I've
not had problems with my Netbook.  If your DSO is not able to 
provide
JAWS in a way that works for you, I suggest you have your own 
laptop.

As for Braille signs, yes, Braille signs should be placed around
buildings for blind people just as ramps and accessible bathroom 
stalls
are suppose to exist for those in wheelchairs.  However, as long 
as room
numbers and what office a door is, such as DSO or Registrar, 
that's all
that's necessary.  Including instructors name on doors isn't 
practical
for rooms at large as multiple instructors will use the same 
rooms, and
for instructor offices, their office number should be made 
available to
students on syllabi and by asking an instructor for it, or 
calling
campus for it.  So I don't find it necessary to also place a name 
on a
door if you have the number, and instructors don't always end up 
in the
same office areas all the time, though typically they remain in a 
given
office during their term as an instructor.  At my university, 
most
instructor offices were large areas containing multiple rooms 
within one
are for particular instructors such as all history profs.  In the 
same
area.  So say room 140  will then hold multiple rooms within it 
so say my
profs.  Room is 140 E.  These areas would have a receptionist 
working in
the outer area.  Anyway, as long as you know where their office 
is
located, you shouldn't also require a name along with the room 
number.

Finally, the world is not set up for easy navigation- blind or 
sighted.
Infrastructures, buildings, homes, neighborhoods, they're not 
always
constructed for easy navigation.  As blind people, we need to 
understand
and realize this.  We will encounter situations like this through 
life so
we can't expect anyone to follow a certain way of designing space 
just
for one purpose.  Fair or not, this is life.  I do not believe 
there are
any ADA guidelines requiring buildings to have "easy" navigation 
for
blind people, and I don't believe this is necessary.  If you are
uncomfortable navigating a space, request help from an O & M 
instructor
or perhaps a friend who is also blind who has good travel skills 
to
help.  This is a touchy subject, I know, but the interior design 
of a
building is not something a DSO or anyone needs to consider in 
terms of
accessibility.  Again, fair or not, this is how it is.  I do not 
claim to
be the best traveler, nor did I when sighted, but I do know that 
we
can't complain about how buildings are structured just because we 
are
blind.  We must take the initiative to learn areas we frequent, 
and seek
the best travel instruction possible.  It can be an adjustment, 
and like
anything, some will take to it quicker than others, but when we 
have no
true mobility issue, meaning we have full use of our legs, there 
really
is no reason we can't learn to navigate space independently and
efficiently even in areas not designed with blind people in mind.  
No DSO
is required to find a space "easy" to navigate when it comes to 
the
services it offers.  This is something you and perhaps your rehab 
agency
need to discuss.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
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http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 14:35:34 2012
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:35:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
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I am going the same route a sCari. I work with a scribe/reader for two
hours three times a week that *(gasp* the school provided to me. I
didn't even ask for it; they just suggested it and paid for it. I love
my school for that. Anyway, he reads the problem to me, I work it out
with him writing the steps down on scrap paper and reading them out
loud as needed, and then he puts the answer into MyMathLab. I found
that MyMathLab was sorta accessible, but there's no way of doing
graphs and such with JAWS, and JAWS reads the algebraic equations
funky, so I am grateful for my reader/scribe. Oh, and I'm in
Intermediate Algebra.

~Jewel

On 1/22/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Great ideas, Ahley.  I'll consult with him.  See my previous
> email about the vend diagram.
> Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 00:14:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> Beth,
> Many schools have a learning center where they have tutors there;
> these
> tutors are students who work for the school and took the class
> already;
> another idea is if he can afford it, hire a tutor through a
> tutoring agency.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:28 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> Thanks, Anjelina.  I"ll let my friend know about this.  I just
> wonder how he can get a tutor or reader outside of class.
> Statistics is hard from what I heard.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:03:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> Hi Beth,
>
> I'm taking Statistics. I'll be working with a tutor outside of
> class, and if
> I have any difficulties with MyMathLab, the tutor has agreed to
> read
> homework assignments.
> The instructor is willing to help in anyway  to insure I have
> equal access
> to course content.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:52 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> What course are you currently taking, Anjelina?  This guy is
> taking Math for Liberal Arts.  What math courses are you using
> and does the teacher provide an equally accessible experience for
> you?
> beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:44:55 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> I'm currently using My Math lab and it so far seems accessible.
> I'm using
> JAWS 13 with Windows 7
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:40 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> Thanks, Ashley.  Does anyone else who is currently in a math
> course know if MyMathLab is accessible?  That's interesting,
> Ashley.  My friend is using JAWS 13 I believe, but I'm not sure.
> He's also using Windows 7.  You guys have my permission to
> forwadrd my initial email to the Electronics or Math lists.
> Whichever lists might help.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:35:30 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> Here we go again. Four years ago when I took math it was not. but
> I heard it
> improved.
> If it uses flash as it used to, no it is not accessible. If its
> more text
> based, then yes.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:23 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab accessibility
>
> Hi, all.
> Does anyone in a college math course know that MyMathLab is
> accessible?  Or is it?  I have a friend taking a math course and
> he's blind and needs MyMathLab, but is it accessible with JAWs?
> Answers, please?
> Beth
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 16:55:48 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:55:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
Message-ID: <4f1c3fc8.516fe00a.3335.ffffd4fd@mx.google.com>

Hi Amy,

Thank you for the information! I already have Windows Live 
Messenger on my computer, but haven't tried it out.  I will check 
this new feature out and let you know if I have any questions.  
Thanks again!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:47:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hello chris and all,

Sorry, for the late notice on this topic but, I will throw in my
2 cents worth on this topic.  Yes, aim is accessible with jfw.  I
use it with jfw and, it works fine.  I have this along with
windows live messenger both on my computers and, I use both.  
But,
as others have said the newest version of windows live messenger
has an awesome tool that you can use.

If you don't want to download aim if you know of anyone who uses
aim, google-talk, or yahoo messenger you can chat with all of
your friends through only using one instant messenger client
which is windows live messenger.

When you add a contact don't to forget to include all of their
contact information like for aim screen name or for the other im
clients like google-talk or yahoo messenger just put in their
emailaddress/screen name with google or yahoo.com and, then add
them to your contacts.  Then you are ready to go!

Another awesome feature added to the newest version of windows
live messenger is that you can configure all of your facebook
friends into your msn messenger client and, then you can chat
with them by using the facebook chat feature through windows live
messenger since thee facebook chat feature on the facebook.com
site isn't accessible with jfw.

Unfortunately, I don't have the link for the newest version of
windows live messenger but, if you just google it or go to
msn.com then I'm sure that you will find it!

I hope this information is helpful to you all! Take care and
happy chatting!



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:05 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hi Chris,
I have heard of Miranda but it appears to be a little tedious to
set
up, so given that I still find AIM relatively usable (see my
previous
post) I decided that it's not really worth my effort at this
point.  I
have heard that it works really well with JAWS once it is
configured
properly though, so feel free to give it a try if you are feeling
technologically adventurous!
To answer your other question, I don't believe that the gchat
program
can be configured to connect with AIM.  I don't know about your
circle
of friends, but from my personal experience I have found that AIM
has
somewhat fallen out of favor; most people I know use Google or
Facebook Chat instead.  I mainly use AIM as a way to access the
other
IM clients on my PC, which are not as accessible.  If you do have
friends who are AIM users, I would encourage you to give the
program a
try-- It's not perfect but really shouldn't disappoint too much!
Katie


On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi Katie,

 I have heard of people using AIM with a chat client called
 Miranda, which apparently makes AIM and other chat services
more
 accessible with JAWS.  Also, a question: you said that the
latest
 version of AIM enables you to connect to Google or Facebook
chat.
 So will this work the other way around; can I chat with
somebody
 using AIM by using Google Chat on my BrailleNote?

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.
The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

 Hi Patrick,
 AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall
 user-friendly,
 intuitive interface.  Its most recent version (7.5, I believe)
 also
 allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a
 great
 feature since both of these popular IM  services are not
 particularly
 accessible.  While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking
 incoming
 messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does not
 work
 as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over
to
 the
 Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in,
which
 is a
 little annoying but not too big of a deal.  Hope this helps!
 Katie


 On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
  Hey Guys,
  I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm
 using
  Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12.  Any
 tips/suggestions/help you
  can give me would be great.
  Thanks,
  Patrick

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 16:55:53 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:55:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school
	isnotaccomodating
Message-ID: <4f1c3fce.516fe00a.3335.ffffd503@mx.google.com>

I also have a feeder scanner and will try that.  Thanks!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J.  Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 02:33:36 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school 
isnotaccomodating

I have a scanner with a feeder.  I cut the binding off the book 
and with the
help of a reader separate it into chapters.  Then, I feed each 
chapter threw
the scanner.  It scanned each page on both sides in a matter of 
seconds.
Adobe professional was provided with the scanner, witch creates 
accessible
PDF files from the scans.



I forget the name of the manufacturer that makes the scanner.



State rehab purchased it for me for around $800.  I have 
kerswile, however,
hardly use it because the software that was provided with the 
scanner does a
much more accurate job.  However, if you can get both, I would, 
because
kerswile is still helpful and I do use it from time to time.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school 
is
notaccomodating


 You can scan books with it, one page at a time.
 Arielle

 On 1/21/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi Bridgit and everyone,

 Is there a way to scan books with Kurzweil? I thought you have 
to
 scan page-by-page with Kurzweil, but I have heard people on this
 list saying that they can scan books with it.  How do you do
 that?
 Thanks,

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
 To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:56:57 -0600
 Subject: [nabs-l] School is not accomodating

 I have been very fortunate with my university experience because
 I
 didn't not have to deal with the issues I have read many others
 have had
 to face.  I'm no expert, but I believe universities and colleges
 must
 supply reasonable accommodations for students with disabilities
 which
 would include accessible formats for textbooks in a reasonable
 amount of
 time.  My campus DSO required all registered DSO students to
 contact
 instructors before each term with book info so the DSO staff
 could work
 on finding accessible formats and scanning material if 
necessary.
 Along
 with grad and honor students, students with disabilities on my
 campus
 qualified for early registration too which helped with the 
entire
 process.  And I also have Kurzweil at home so I have the ability
 to scan
 things at my own leisure.  My DSO also outsourced for Braille,
 but it was
 an option and it was done in a timely fashion.  I agree with
 others that
 you, Ashley, need to speak with your local agency for the blind
 along
 with your DSO, and it may be helpful to request advocacy help
 from any
 local Federation presence available.  I'm not sure of all your
 rights
 involved here, but I believe your DSO may not be working with 
you
 the
 way in which it should.

 The JAWS problem is a tough one as well.  Nowadays, laptops are
 quite
 light so "lugging" one around isn't all that bad.  I started
 using a
 Netbook for my last two years of university and loved it.  It
 weighs less
 than two pounds and works for what I need.  I can access the
 internet and
 use MS Office.  And of course JAWS was installed on it.  The
 keyboard is
 condensed and some of the keys are placed differently than a
 regular
 keyboard, but any laptop is laid out like this, and you adjust
 pretty
 quickly to the smaller keys if you use the Netbook enough, which
 if a
 student, I imagine you would.  A Netbook is just one option
 though.  I've
 not had problems with my Netbook.  If your DSO is not able to
 provide
 JAWS in a way that works for you, I suggest you have your own
 laptop.

 As for Braille signs, yes, Braille signs should be placed around
 buildings for blind people just as ramps and accessible bathroom
 stalls
 are suppose to exist for those in wheelchairs.  However, as long
 as room
 numbers and what office a door is, such as DSO or Registrar,
 that's all
 that's necessary.  Including instructors name on doors isn't
 practical
 for rooms at large as multiple instructors will use the same
 rooms, and
 for instructor offices, their office number should be made
 available to
 students on syllabi and by asking an instructor for it, or
 calling
 campus for it.  So I don't find it necessary to also place a 
name
 on a
 door if you have the number, and instructors don't always end up
 in the
 same office areas all the time, though typically they remain in 
a
 given
 office during their term as an instructor.  At my university,
 most
 instructor offices were large areas containing multiple rooms
 within one
 are for particular instructors such as all history profs.  In 
the
 same
 area.  So say room 140  will then hold multiple rooms within it
 so say my
 profs.  Room is 140 E.  These areas would have a receptionist
 working in
 the outer area.  Anyway, as long as you know where their office
 is
 located, you shouldn't also require a name along with the room
 number.

 Finally, the world is not set up for easy navigation- blind or
 sighted.
 Infrastructures, buildings, homes, neighborhoods, they're not
 always
 constructed for easy navigation.  As blind people, we need to
 understand
 and realize this.  We will encounter situations like this 
through
 life so
 we can't expect anyone to follow a certain way of designing 
space
 just
 for one purpose.  Fair or not, this is life.  I do not believe
 there are
 any ADA guidelines requiring buildings to have "easy" navigation
 for
 blind people, and I don't believe this is necessary.  If you are
 uncomfortable navigating a space, request help from an O & M
 instructor
 or perhaps a friend who is also blind who has good travel skills
 to
 help.  This is a touchy subject, I know, but the interior design
 of a
 building is not something a DSO or anyone needs to consider in
 terms of
 accessibility.  Again, fair or not, this is how it is.  I do not
 claim to
 be the best traveler, nor did I when sighted, but I do know that
 we
 can't complain about how buildings are structured just because 
we
 are
 blind.  We must take the initiative to learn areas we frequent,
 and seek
 the best travel instruction possible.  It can be an adjustment,
 and like
 anything, some will take to it quicker than others, but when we
 have no
 true mobility issue, meaning we have full use of our legs, there
 really
 is no reason we can't learn to navigate space independently and
 efficiently even in areas not designed with blind people in 
mind.
 No DSO
 is required to find a space "easy" to navigate when it comes to
 the
 services it offers.  This is something you and perhaps your 
rehab
 agency
 need to discuss.

 Sincerely,
 Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
 Read my blog at:
 http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

 "History is not what happened; history is what was written 
down."
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From joshkart12 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 17:20:54 2012
From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (josh gregory)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:20:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
In-Reply-To: <4f1c3fc8.516fe00a.3335.ffffd4fd@mx.google.com>
References: <4f1c3fc8.516fe00a.3335.ffffd4fd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMJOM=1tG3hZvz-LsTo7FVVkZREejfg5saU+xXsmwok+QXJsUA@mail.gmail.com>

Amy, forgot to ask, is windows messenger accessible with nvda? Thanks!

On 1/22/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Amy,
>
> Thank you for the information! I already have Windows Live
> Messenger on my computer, but haven't tried it out.  I will check
> this new feature out and let you know if I have any questions.
> Thanks again!
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:47:52 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>
> Hello chris and all,
>
> Sorry, for the late notice on this topic but, I will throw in my
> 2 cents worth on this topic.  Yes, aim is accessible with jfw.  I
> use it with jfw and, it works fine.  I have this along with
> windows live messenger both on my computers and, I use both.
> But,
> as others have said the newest version of windows live messenger
> has an awesome tool that you can use.
>
> If you don't want to download aim if you know of anyone who uses
> aim, google-talk, or yahoo messenger you can chat with all of
> your friends through only using one instant messenger client
> which is windows live messenger.
>
> When you add a contact don't to forget to include all of their
> contact information like for aim screen name or for the other im
> clients like google-talk or yahoo messenger just put in their
> emailaddress/screen name with google or yahoo.com and, then add
> them to your contacts.  Then you are ready to go!
>
> Another awesome feature added to the newest version of windows
> live messenger is that you can configure all of your facebook
> friends into your msn messenger client and, then you can chat
> with them by using the facebook chat feature through windows live
> messenger since thee facebook chat feature on the facebook.com
> site isn't accessible with jfw.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have the link for the newest version of
> windows live messenger but, if you just google it or go to
> msn.com then I'm sure that you will find it!
>
> I hope this information is helpful to you all! Take care and
> happy chatting!
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>
> Hi Chris,
> I have heard of Miranda but it appears to be a little tedious to
> set
> up, so given that I still find AIM relatively usable (see my
> previous
> post) I decided that it's not really worth my effort at this
> point.  I
> have heard that it works really well with JAWS once it is
> configured
> properly though, so feel free to give it a try if you are feeling
> technologically adventurous!
> To answer your other question, I don't believe that the gchat
> program
> can be configured to connect with AIM.  I don't know about your
> circle
> of friends, but from my personal experience I have found that AIM
> has
> somewhat fallen out of favor; most people I know use Google or
> Facebook Chat instead.  I mainly use AIM as a way to access the
> other
> IM clients on my PC, which are not as accessible.  If you do have
> friends who are AIM users, I would encourage you to give the
> program a
> try-- It's not perfect but really shouldn't disappoint too much!
> Katie
>
>
> On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Hi Katie,
>
>  I have heard of people using AIM with a chat client called
>  Miranda, which apparently makes AIM and other chat services
> more
>  accessible with JAWS.  Also, a question: you said that the
> latest
>  version of AIM enables you to connect to Google or Facebook
> chat.
>  So will this work the other way around; can I chat with
> somebody
>  using AIM by using Google Chat on my BrailleNote?
>
>  Chris
>
>  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.
> The
>  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>  exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>  nuisance."
>  -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
>
>  Hi Patrick,
>  AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall
>  user-friendly,
>  intuitive interface.  Its most recent version (7.5, I believe)
>  also
>  allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a
>  great
>  feature since both of these popular IM  services are not
>  particularly
>  accessible.  While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking
>  incoming
>  messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does not
>  work
>  as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over
> to
>  the
>  Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in,
> which
>  is a
>  little annoying but not too big of a deal.  Hope this helps!
>  Katie
>
>
>  On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>   Hey Guys,
>   I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm
>  using
>   Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12.  Any
>  tips/suggestions/help you
>   can give me would be great.
>   Thanks,
>   Patrick
>
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 18:46:49 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:46:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference
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If you want a laptop that's truly portable you should consider giving
up on the numpad. It will take you 10 minuts to learn how to use the
computer without it and you can really find smaller and lighter
laptops if you forget about numpads.
I have an 11 inch Macbook air which boots in about 10 seconds and is
really light. If you don't want a Mac I'm sure you can find a Windows
equivalent of it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2012, at 12:56 AM, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hello Ashley,
>
> I'm soooo happy that you have decided to purchase a laptop. I have my second one which I got 2 years ago and, it works awesome! It's a Toshiba but, I don't know the ram or other features on it. But, if you email me off list I can share all of that with you. Yes, it has a number pad and, as for battery life it's about 6-8 hrs. that's one of the features that I love on it. My dell inspirine that I had which was my first laptop that I had for almost 5 years only had a battery life for about 3-4 hrs which wasn't good at all for both school and work.
>
> As for the ms office products most laptops don't come with that feature you will have to purchase that yourself personally. Ii already had that software package so, I just loaded the disk onto my laptop just like I would for jfew or any other software which is on c.d.
>
> As for internet explorer my Toshiba came with both of that feature and, it also came with windows media player too which so did my old dell inspirine did too! As for wireless my Toshiba has wonderful wireless components both at home and at school or wherever I have gone too like to conventions and other places for travel like when I went home to Michigan to visit with my family before they moved to Colorado this fall. But, my old dell inspirine had wireless components for the internet but, the signal coverage was soooo slow and, it was content like my Toshiba is!
>
> So, in all aspects I would recommend the Toshiba laptop that I have. Or any laptop by Toshiba since both of parents have one and, my sister has a netbook by them too. I hope all of this information is helpful to you. Take care and good luck in finding a good laptop for your needs!
>
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:57 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference
>
> Hi all,
> I am thinking of getting a laptop so I have more options for studying and personal notetaking.
> We finally have jaws 13 at school; that i s a plus. But with a laptop I can take it to professor’s offices or anywhere.
>
> Reasons I avoided them was their weight,  ability to boot up fast, and the fact that many did not have a number pad; I want that to use with jaws. then I can use  the commands and layout I’m used to.
> However, they have improved their speed and battery life in recent years. I heard some have number pads.
> Will they come with an email client like outlook I hope, a internet explorer,
> and windows media player?
>
> When I get one I want:
> a number pad
> a cd /dvd drive
> lots of memory; maybe a few GB
> prefer one with a sd card slot as well.
>
>
> So which laptop did you pick and why? How fast do they boot up? How much memory? Are all laptops built with internet connection now? Many places, including my school, have wireless internet ability.
> I assume all have a web browser, probably internet explorer.
> Also how long will the thing run on battery power? Just wanted some opinions since if I spend money for a laptop, it should meet my personal, academic and professional needs. I am thinking a laptop might be a good thing to demonstrate to a potential employer or to take for my volunteer work as well.
>
> Ashley
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From carisuekness at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 19:15:44 2012
From: carisuekness at gmail.com (Cari Kness)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:15:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school is
 notaccomodating
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I scan books with Kurzwiel. Ihave a scanner with a document feeder so 
if I can, I take the binding off the book and put the pages of each 
chapter through the doc feeder. Then I flip them over to do the back 
sides. Kurzwiel will put them in the right order for uou.
Peace,
Cari
At 07:03 AM 1/22/2012, Rania Ismail CMT wrote:
>Hi Chris, I have scanned books with it. I unforchenitly had to go page by
>page and I found it difficult. I did use something to help keep my place
>when it came to remembering what page I just scanned but that really didn't
>help. I ended up scanning the same page a few times and not many pages were
>readable either.
>Rania,
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Chris Nusbaum
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:01 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school is
>notaccomodating
>
>Hi Bridgit and everyone,
>
>Is there a way to scan books with Kurzweil? I thought you have to
>scan page-by-page with Kurzweil, but I have heard people on this
>list saying that they can scan books with it.  How do you do
>that?
>Thanks,
>
>Chris
>
>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>nuisance."
>-- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
>To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:56:57 -0600
>Subject: [nabs-l] School is not accomodating
>
>I have been very fortunate with my university experience because
>I
>didn't not have to deal with the issues I have read many others
>have had
>to face.  I'm no expert, but I believe universities and colleges
>must
>supply reasonable accommodations for students with disabilities
>which
>would include accessible formats for textbooks in a reasonable
>amount of
>time.  My campus DSO required all registered DSO students to
>contact
>instructors before each term with book info so the DSO staff
>could work
>on finding accessible formats and scanning material if necessary.
>Along
>with grad and honor students, students with disabilities on my
>campus
>qualified for early registration too which helped with the entire
>process.  And I also have Kurzweil at home so I have the ability
>to scan
>things at my own leisure.  My DSO also outsourced for Braille,
>but it was
>an option and it was done in a timely fashion.  I agree with
>others that
>you, Ashley, need to speak with your local agency for the blind
>along
>with your DSO, and it may be helpful to request advocacy help
>from any
>local Federation presence available.  I'm not sure of all your
>rights
>involved here, but I believe your DSO may not be working with you
>the
>way in which it should.
>
>The JAWS problem is a tough one as well.  Nowadays, laptops are
>quite
>light so "lugging" one around isn't all that bad.  I started
>using a
>Netbook for my last two years of university and loved it.  It
>weighs less
>than two pounds and works for what I need.  I can access the
>internet and
>use MS Office.  And of course JAWS was installed on it.  The
>keyboard is
>condensed and some of the keys are placed differently than a
>regular
>keyboard, but any laptop is laid out like this, and you adjust
>pretty
>quickly to the smaller keys if you use the Netbook enough, which
>if a
>student, I imagine you would.  A Netbook is just one option
>though.  I've
>not had problems with my Netbook.  If your DSO is not able to
>provide
>JAWS in a way that works for you, I suggest you have your own
>laptop.
>
>As for Braille signs, yes, Braille signs should be placed around
>buildings for blind people just as ramps and accessible bathroom
>stalls
>are suppose to exist for those in wheelchairs.  However, as long
>as room
>numbers and what office a door is, such as DSO or Registrar,
>that's all
>that's necessary.  Including instructors name on doors isn't
>practical
>for rooms at large as multiple instructors will use the same
>rooms, and
>for instructor offices, their office number should be made
>available to
>students on syllabi and by asking an instructor for it, or
>calling
>campus for it.  So I don't find it necessary to also place a name
>on a
>door if you have the number, and instructors don't always end up
>in the
>same office areas all the time, though typically they remain in a
>given
>office during their term as an instructor.  At my university,
>most
>instructor offices were large areas containing multiple rooms
>within one
>are for particular instructors such as all history profs.  In the
>same
>area.  So say room 140  will then hold multiple rooms within it
>so say my
>profs.  Room is 140 E.  These areas would have a receptionist
>working in
>the outer area.  Anyway, as long as you know where their office
>is
>located, you shouldn't also require a name along with the room
>number.
>
>Finally, the world is not set up for easy navigation- blind or
>sighted.
>Infrastructures, buildings, homes, neighborhoods, they're not
>always
>constructed for easy navigation.  As blind people, we need to
>understand
>and realize this.  We will encounter situations like this through
>life so
>we can't expect anyone to follow a certain way of designing space
>just
>for one purpose.  Fair or not, this is life.  I do not believe
>there are
>any ADA guidelines requiring buildings to have "easy" navigation
>for
>blind people, and I don't believe this is necessary.  If you are
>uncomfortable navigating a space, request help from an O & M
>instructor
>or perhaps a friend who is also blind who has good travel skills
>to
>help.  This is a touchy subject, I know, but the interior design
>of a
>building is not something a DSO or anyone needs to consider in
>terms of
>accessibility.  Again, fair or not, this is how it is.  I do not
>claim to
>be the best traveler, nor did I when sighted, but I do know that
>we
>can't complain about how buildings are structured just because we
>are
>blind.  We must take the initiative to learn areas we frequent,
>and seek
>the best travel instruction possible.  It can be an adjustment,
>and like
>anything, some will take to it quicker than others, but when we
>have no
>true mobility issue, meaning we have full use of our legs, there
>really
>is no reason we can't learn to navigate space independently and
>efficiently even in areas not designed with blind people in mind.
>No DSO
>is required to find a space "easy" to navigate when it comes to
>the
>services it offers.  This is something you and perhaps your rehab
>agency
>need to discuss.
>
>Sincerely,
>Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>Read my blog at:
>http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>
>"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 20:54:59 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:54:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference
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Hi amy and all,
So sounds like many  of you are happy with toshiba.
I'm surprised I'd have to purchase microsoft office. Can I get a student 
discount at stores?
At least it comes with internet explorer and windows media player. I assume 
it will have wordpad and notepad though.
How about adobe reader? If  not, I can download that for free.

I also know most have an internal microphone where you can record your voice
or music to it.
If I did record, is there anything I can do with it for free? Such as edit
the file? And what format is it in if I recorded a lecture or something?

Does it come with sound recording software? An anti virus program?

I have something on this desktop called microsoft one note and microsoft
silver light. What are those programs?
What is lightScribe?
Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Amy Sabo
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:55 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] laptop preference

Hello Ashley,

I'm soooo happy that you have decided to purchase a laptop. I have my second 
one which I got 2 years ago and, it works awesome! It's a Toshiba but, I 
don't know the ram or other features on it. But, if you email me off list I 
can share all of that with you. Yes, it has a number pad and, as for battery 
life it's about 6-8 hrs. that's one of the features that I love on it. My 
dell inspirine that I had which was my first laptop that I had for almost 5 
years only had a battery life for about 3-4 hrs which wasn't good at all for 
both school and work.

As for the ms office products most laptops don't come with that feature you 
will have to purchase that yourself personally. Ii already had that software 
package so, I just loaded the disk onto my laptop just like I would for jfew 
or any other software which is on c.d.

As for internet explorer my Toshiba came with both of that feature and, it 
also came with windows media player too which so did my old dell inspirine 
did too! As for wireless my Toshiba has wonderful wireless components both 
at home and at school or wherever I have gone too like to conventions and 
other places for travel like when I went home to Michigan to visit with my 
family before they moved to Colorado this fall. But, my old dell inspirine 
had wireless components for the internet but, the signal coverage was soooo 
slow and, it was content like my Toshiba is!

So, in all aspects I would recommend the Toshiba laptop that I have. Or any 
laptop by Toshiba since both of parents have one and, my sister has a 
netbook by them too. I hope all of this information is helpful to you. Take 
care and good luck in finding a good laptop for your needs!




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:57 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference

Hi all,
I am thinking of getting a laptop so I have more options for studying and 
personal notetaking.
We finally have jaws 13 at school; that i s a plus. But with a laptop I can 
take it to professor’s offices or anywhere.

Reasons I avoided them was their weight,  ability to boot up fast, and the 
fact that many did not have a number pad; I want that to use with jaws. then 
I can use  the commands and layout I’m used to.
However, they have improved their speed and battery life in recent years. I 
heard some have number pads.
Will they come with an email client like outlook I hope, a internet 
explorer,
and windows media player?

When I get one I want:
a number pad
a cd /dvd drive
lots of memory; maybe a few GB
prefer one with a sd card slot as well.


So which laptop did you pick and why? How fast do they boot up? How much 
memory? Are all laptops built with internet connection now? Many places, 
including my school, have wireless internet ability.
I assume all have a web browser, probably internet explorer.
Also how long will the thing run on battery power? Just wanted some opinions 
since if I spend money for a laptop, it should meet my personal, academic 
and professional needs. I am thinking a laptop might be a good thing to 
demonstrate to a potential employer or to take for my volunteer work as 
well.

Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 21:05:40 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:05:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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Amy,
I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though. They 
can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor. 
Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union 
building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out weird; 
its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best I 
can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't be 
too hard to find.

I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own 
accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased 
jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous they 
don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind 
student there.

Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is learning 
software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I use my 
own equipment, those programs are not on it.
I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same story 
about licenses. groan.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Amy Sabo
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Dear Ashley,
I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and problems 
at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when I 
began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community 
college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of 
these problems relating to yours.

As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m 
training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't receive 
any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking many 
questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and, then I 
knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in one 
of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting 
around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would 
get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which was 
helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a 
laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for college. 
And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely on 
the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it for 
the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around campus 
well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a 
laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for purchase 
all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a 
laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of fact 
it's her second one to be certain of that!

As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you advised 
the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your 
concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.

As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what 
format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a accessible 
format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at my 
community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my own 
or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.

Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.

So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope that 
you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

Hi all,

Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re the 
largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five 
campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.

I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured 
extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring 
so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.

First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am 
still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read 
meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the 
e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!

Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor 
wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps. 
Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need lots 
of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?

Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it 
brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille 
tests!

Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and 
counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA 
compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind 
traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its 
not laid out well.

Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too. 
Publishers need to get with the program!

Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 21:07:59 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:07:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
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Amy,
Thanks. I already plan to work with the professor in office hours. They did 
install jaws in the lab we are using.
She taught us to use notepad. But, I don't know if jaws will tell me the 
background colors and color of font. Maybe I will need a sighted person to 
do this with me?

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Amy Sabo
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:06 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions

Hello Ashley,

To answer some of your it and html questions here's my views and what I 
somewhat know.

As for doing stuff in html I did it in notepad since that's how my 
exboyfriend does his web page but, when it came to doing the layout and all 
I couldn't make it look professionally.. I know all of this because when I 
was at ucd I took a web design class and, I had this problem myself. I 
unfortunately, had to drop the class since I couldn't get a tutor/reader for 
the class and, the classroom that we were using for the class was one of the 
computer labs on campus and the network administrator wouldn't let me use a 
software/or let me put jfw on a certain computer with a software package to 
make the software accessible for me to do the work in the class. So, make 
sure that your professor/network administrator will let you do this! Also, 
work as much if you can at home with the manual and, also work with the 
professor  at his office hours for his expertise on how it's looking.

Besides Microsoft FrontPage there's a software to use web sites with the 
accessibility with jfw called webtab. Unfortunately, I don't have the web 
site for it but, if you google it will be able for you rto find it!

As for graphics and, all that's something that you will need your prof for 
or sighted assistance from a classmate too. And, for the manuals for the 
above products I'm sure that they have accessible manuals and, I'm sure that 
your prof can provide those for you.

As for free sites for providing domain names for you to produce your work I 
don't know of any of them personally. But, I'm sure that others here on this 
list can provide that or you can always use your school's server for that. 
My exboyfriend when he was in college did this before he got his own domain 
name which was fine but, not everyone could access it and, if you want all 
access that might not be for you.

I hope this information is helpful for you with your it class. Take care and 
good luck with it!



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:20 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions

Hi all,
As you might remember I’m in an introduction computer concepts class. I want 
the knowledge to be a wise computer consumer and user. We are learning about 
computer components like the CPU and motherboard and types of memory.
We also have to learn basic html and website design. We publish these small 
webpages on our school server eventually. That is just one of many 
assignments; we also go over the microsoft office suite.

So my questions for those familiar with website making.
1. What software do you publish with? I’m curious. I know many are not 
accessible. Maybe microsoft office front page?
We are taught to write the html codes in notepad and save it as a html file.
We don’t need software for the class.
Also, any accessible tutorials about html or website design? Our professor 
gave some to us, online tutorials. I’ll see if they’re readable with jaws.


2. How do you handle the visual stuff such as graphics, color of text, and 
background color? Will jaws read the colors when you open it up in a web 
browser? I suspect you just have to see it with low vision if you have it or 
ask a sighted person.

3. What is the difference between hyperlinks with relative and absolute 
paths? My instructor doesn’t explain much about the codes; we just look at 
the lab assignment and type it in. There is a code for each hyperlink put 
in.

4. Any tips for learning the color and font system called CSS, cascading 
style sheets? Do I just memorize the codes and what they mean. Not that we 
are getting that fancy though.

5. Are there free places to publish websites? I do not think you have to 
purchase web software or a website domain. Doesn’t google have something 
free? I doubt I’ll publish, but wanted to know in case I decide to make 
websites in the future.
I’m using Word to read the lab assignment and find it challenging to 
remember all the code and type it in exactly as it says in notepad. I do a 
few words and characters at a time. What is interesting to me is that there 
are six types of heading levels; 1 is the biggest and six the smallest.
So one number in the code makes a difference! the code is <h1> or a 2 for 
heading 2.
Thanks.
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 20:14:03 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:14:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference
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You should be able to get a discount for Microsoft office.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:55 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] laptop preference

Hi amy and all,
So sounds like many  of you are happy with toshiba.
I'm surprised I'd have to purchase microsoft office. Can I get a student 
discount at stores?
At least it comes with internet explorer and windows media player. I assume 
it will have wordpad and notepad though.
How about adobe reader? If  not, I can download that for free.

I also know most have an internal microphone where you can record your voice
or music to it.
If I did record, is there anything I can do with it for free? Such as edit
the file? And what format is it in if I recorded a lecture or something?

Does it come with sound recording software? An anti virus program?

I have something on this desktop called microsoft one note and microsoft
silver light. What are those programs?
What is lightScribe?
Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Amy Sabo
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:55 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] laptop preference

Hello Ashley,

I'm soooo happy that you have decided to purchase a laptop. I have my second

one which I got 2 years ago and, it works awesome! It's a Toshiba but, I 
don't know the ram or other features on it. But, if you email me off list I 
can share all of that with you. Yes, it has a number pad and, as for battery

life it's about 6-8 hrs. that's one of the features that I love on it. My 
dell inspirine that I had which was my first laptop that I had for almost 5 
years only had a battery life for about 3-4 hrs which wasn't good at all for

both school and work.

As for the ms office products most laptops don't come with that feature you 
will have to purchase that yourself personally. Ii already had that software

package so, I just loaded the disk onto my laptop just like I would for jfew

or any other software which is on c.d.

As for internet explorer my Toshiba came with both of that feature and, it 
also came with windows media player too which so did my old dell inspirine 
did too! As for wireless my Toshiba has wonderful wireless components both 
at home and at school or wherever I have gone too like to conventions and 
other places for travel like when I went home to Michigan to visit with my 
family before they moved to Colorado this fall. But, my old dell inspirine 
had wireless components for the internet but, the signal coverage was soooo 
slow and, it was content like my Toshiba is!

So, in all aspects I would recommend the Toshiba laptop that I have. Or any 
laptop by Toshiba since both of parents have one and, my sister has a 
netbook by them too. I hope all of this information is helpful to you. Take 
care and good luck in finding a good laptop for your needs!




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf

Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:57 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference

Hi all,
I am thinking of getting a laptop so I have more options for studying and 
personal notetaking.
We finally have jaws 13 at school; that i s a plus. But with a laptop I can 
take it to professor's offices or anywhere.

Reasons I avoided them was their weight,  ability to boot up fast, and the 
fact that many did not have a number pad; I want that to use with jaws. then

I can use  the commands and layout I'm used to.
However, they have improved their speed and battery life in recent years. I 
heard some have number pads.
Will they come with an email client like outlook I hope, a internet 
explorer,
and windows media player?

When I get one I want:
a number pad
a cd /dvd drive
lots of memory; maybe a few GB
prefer one with a sd card slot as well.


So which laptop did you pick and why? How fast do they boot up? How much 
memory? Are all laptops built with internet connection now? Many places, 
including my school, have wireless internet ability.
I assume all have a web browser, probably internet explorer.
Also how long will the thing run on battery power? Just wanted some opinions

since if I spend money for a laptop, it should meet my personal, academic 
and professional needs. I am thinking a laptop might be a good thing to 
demonstrate to a potential employer or to take for my volunteer work as 
well.

Ashley
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 21:25:37 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:25:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference
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	<000e01ccd8ca$6ea9d8c0$4bfd8a40$@comcast.net>
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Your laptop will most probably have a webcam and microphone built into
it. Also I believe Windows 7 come with a basic sound recording
application which would allow you to create wave files.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi amy and all,
> So sounds like many  of you are happy with toshiba.
> I'm surprised I'd have to purchase microsoft office. Can I get a student discount at stores?
> At least it comes with internet explorer and windows media player. I assume it will have wordpad and notepad though.
> How about adobe reader? If  not, I can download that for free.
>
> I also know most have an internal microphone where you can record your voice
> or music to it.
> If I did record, is there anything I can do with it for free? Such as edit
> the file? And what format is it in if I recorded a lecture or something?
>
> Does it come with sound recording software? An anti virus program?
>
> I have something on this desktop called microsoft one note and microsoft
> silver light. What are those programs?
> What is lightScribe?
> Ashley
> -----Original Message----- From: Amy Sabo
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:55 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] laptop preference
>
> Hello Ashley,
>
> I'm soooo happy that you have decided to purchase a laptop. I have my second one which I got 2 years ago and, it works awesome! It's a Toshiba but, I don't know the ram or other features on it. But, if you email me off list I can share all of that with you. Yes, it has a number pad and, as for battery life it's about 6-8 hrs. that's one of the features that I love on it. My dell inspirine that I had which was my first laptop that I had for almost 5 years only had a battery life for about 3-4 hrs which wasn't good at all for both school and work.
>
> As for the ms office products most laptops don't come with that feature you will have to purchase that yourself personally. Ii already had that software package so, I just loaded the disk onto my laptop just like I would for jfew or any other software which is on c.d.
>
> As for internet explorer my Toshiba came with both of that feature and, it also came with windows media player too which so did my old dell inspirine did too! As for wireless my Toshiba has wonderful wireless components both at home and at school or wherever I have gone too like to conventions and other places for travel like when I went home to Michigan to visit with my family before they moved to Colorado this fall. But, my old dell inspirine had wireless components for the internet but, the signal coverage was soooo slow and, it was content like my Toshiba is!
>
> So, in all aspects I would recommend the Toshiba laptop that I have. Or any laptop by Toshiba since both of parents have one and, my sister has a netbook by them too. I hope all of this information is helpful to you. Take care and good luck in finding a good laptop for your needs!
>
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:57 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference
>
> Hi all,
> I am thinking of getting a laptop so I have more options for studying and personal notetaking.
> We finally have jaws 13 at school; that i s a plus. But with a laptop I can take it to professor’s offices or anywhere.
>
> Reasons I avoided them was their weight,  ability to boot up fast, and the fact that many did not have a number pad; I want that to use with jaws. then I can use  the commands and layout I’m used to.
> However, they have improved their speed and battery life in recent years. I heard some have number pads.
> Will they come with an email client like outlook I hope, a internet explorer,
> and windows media player?
>
> When I get one I want:
> a number pad
> a cd /dvd drive
> lots of memory; maybe a few GB
> prefer one with a sd card slot as well.
>
>
> So which laptop did you pick and why? How fast do they boot up? How much memory? Are all laptops built with internet connection now? Many places, including my school, have wireless internet ability.
> I assume all have a web browser, probably internet explorer.
> Also how long will the thing run on battery power? Just wanted some opinions since if I spend money for a laptop, it should meet my personal, academic and professional needs. I am thinking a laptop might be a good thing to demonstrate to a potential employer or to take for my volunteer work as well.
>
> Ashley
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 21:28:06 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:28:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
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Message-ID: <5625388000000047975@unknownmsgid>

I don't understand the problem. You will specify a background color
and font in your html code, so as long as you know what you want you
should be fine. Am I missing something?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Amy,
> Thanks. I already plan to work with the professor in office hours. They did install jaws in the lab we are using.
> She taught us to use notepad. But, I don't know if jaws will tell me the background colors and color of font. Maybe I will need a sighted person to do this with me?
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Amy Sabo
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:06 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>
> Hello Ashley,
>
> To answer some of your it and html questions here's my views and what I somewhat know.
>
> As for doing stuff in html I did it in notepad since that's how my exboyfriend does his web page but, when it came to doing the layout and all I couldn't make it look professionally.. I know all of this because when I was at ucd I took a web design class and, I had this problem myself. I unfortunately, had to drop the class since I couldn't get a tutor/reader for the class and, the classroom that we were using for the class was one of the computer labs on campus and the network administrator wouldn't let me use a software/or let me put jfw on a certain computer with a software package to make the software accessible for me to do the work in the class. So, make sure that your professor/network administrator will let you do this! Also, work as much if you can at home with the manual and, also work with the professor  at his office hours for his expertise on how it's looking.
>
> Besides Microsoft FrontPage there's a software to use web sites with the accessibility with jfw called webtab. Unfortunately, I don't have the web site for it but, if you google it will be able for you rto find it!
>
> As for graphics and, all that's something that you will need your prof for or sighted assistance from a classmate too. And, for the manuals for the above products I'm sure that they have accessible manuals and, I'm sure that your prof can provide those for you.
>
> As for free sites for providing domain names for you to produce your work I don't know of any of them personally. But, I'm sure that others here on this list can provide that or you can always use your school's server for that. My exboyfriend when he was in college did this before he got his own domain name which was fine but, not everyone could access it and, if you want all access that might not be for you.
>
> I hope this information is helpful for you with your it class. Take care and good luck with it!
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:20 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>
> Hi all,
> As you might remember I’m in an introduction computer concepts class. I want the knowledge to be a wise computer consumer and user. We are learning about computer components like the CPU and motherboard and types of memory.
> We also have to learn basic html and website design. We publish these small webpages on our school server eventually. That is just one of many assignments; we also go over the microsoft office suite.
>
> So my questions for those familiar with website making.
> 1. What software do you publish with? I’m curious. I know many are not accessible. Maybe microsoft office front page?
> We are taught to write the html codes in notepad and save it as a html file.
> We don’t need software for the class.
> Also, any accessible tutorials about html or website design? Our professor gave some to us, online tutorials. I’ll see if they’re readable with jaws.
>
>
> 2. How do you handle the visual stuff such as graphics, color of text, and background color? Will jaws read the colors when you open it up in a web browser? I suspect you just have to see it with low vision if you have it or ask a sighted person.
>
> 3. What is the difference between hyperlinks with relative and absolute paths? My instructor doesn’t explain much about the codes; we just look at the lab assignment and type it in. There is a code for each hyperlink put in.
>
> 4. Any tips for learning the color and font system called CSS, cascading style sheets? Do I just memorize the codes and what they mean. Not that we are getting that fancy though.
>
> 5. Are there free places to publish websites? I do not think you have to purchase web software or a website domain. Doesn’t google have something free? I doubt I’ll publish, but wanted to know in case I decide to make websites in the future.
> I’m using Word to read the lab assignment and find it challenging to remember all the code and type it in exactly as it says in notepad. I do a few words and characters at a time. What is interesting to me is that there are six types of heading levels; 1 is the biggest and six the smallest.
> So one number in the code makes a difference! the code is <h1> or a 2 for heading 2.
> Thanks.
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 22:28:31 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:28:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
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oh true. I could just checked what I typed to find out.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ignasi Cambra
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions

I don't understand the problem. You will specify a background color
and font in your html code, so as long as you know what you want you
should be fine. Am I missing something?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 
wrote:

> Amy,
> Thanks. I already plan to work with the professor in office hours. They 
> did install jaws in the lab we are using.
> She taught us to use notepad. But, I don't know if jaws will tell me the 
> background colors and color of font. Maybe I will need a sighted person to 
> do this with me?
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Amy Sabo
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:06 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>
> Hello Ashley,
>
> To answer some of your it and html questions here's my views and what I 
> somewhat know.
>
> As for doing stuff in html I did it in notepad since that's how my 
> exboyfriend does his web page but, when it came to doing the layout and 
> all I couldn't make it look professionally.. I know all of this because 
> when I was at ucd I took a web design class and, I had this problem 
> myself. I unfortunately, had to drop the class since I couldn't get a 
> tutor/reader for the class and, the classroom that we were using for the 
> class was one of the computer labs on campus and the network administrator 
> wouldn't let me use a software/or let me put jfw on a certain computer 
> with a software package to make the software accessible for me to do the 
> work in the class. So, make sure that your professor/network administrator 
> will let you do this! Also, work as much if you can at home with the 
> manual and, also work with the professor  at his office hours for his 
> expertise on how it's looking.
>
> Besides Microsoft FrontPage there's a software to use web sites with the 
> accessibility with jfw called webtab. Unfortunately, I don't have the web 
> site for it but, if you google it will be able for you rto find it!
>
> As for graphics and, all that's something that you will need your prof for 
> or sighted assistance from a classmate too. And, for the manuals for the 
> above products I'm sure that they have accessible manuals and, I'm sure 
> that your prof can provide those for you.
>
> As for free sites for providing domain names for you to produce your work 
> I don't know of any of them personally. But, I'm sure that others here on 
> this list can provide that or you can always use your school's server for 
> that. My exboyfriend when he was in college did this before he got his own 
> domain name which was fine but, not everyone could access it and, if you 
> want all access that might not be for you.
>
> I hope this information is helpful for you with your it class. Take care 
> and good luck with it!
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:20 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>
> Hi all,
> As you might remember I’m in an introduction computer concepts class. I 
> want the knowledge to be a wise computer consumer and user. We are 
> learning about computer components like the CPU and motherboard and types 
> of memory.
> We also have to learn basic html and website design. We publish these 
> small webpages on our school server eventually. That is just one of many 
> assignments; we also go over the microsoft office suite.
>
> So my questions for those familiar with website making.
> 1. What software do you publish with? I’m curious. I know many are not 
> accessible. Maybe microsoft office front page?
> We are taught to write the html codes in notepad and save it as a html 
> file.
> We don’t need software for the class.
> Also, any accessible tutorials about html or website design? Our professor 
> gave some to us, online tutorials. I’ll see if they’re readable with jaws.
>
>
> 2. How do you handle the visual stuff such as graphics, color of text, and 
> background color? Will jaws read the colors when you open it up in a web 
> browser? I suspect you just have to see it with low vision if you have it 
> or ask a sighted person.
>
> 3. What is the difference between hyperlinks with relative and absolute 
> paths? My instructor doesn’t explain much about the codes; we just look at 
> the lab assignment and type it in. There is a code for each hyperlink put 
> in.
>
> 4. Any tips for learning the color and font system called CSS, cascading 
> style sheets? Do I just memorize the codes and what they mean. Not that we 
> are getting that fancy though.
>
> 5. Are there free places to publish websites? I do not think you have to 
> purchase web software or a website domain. Doesn’t google have something 
> free? I doubt I’ll publish, but wanted to know in case I decide to make 
> websites in the future.
> I’m using Word to read the lab assignment and find it challenging to 
> remember all the code and type it in exactly as it says in notepad. I do a 
> few words and characters at a time. What is interesting to me is that 
> there are six types of heading levels; 1 is the biggest and six the 
> smallest.
> So one number in the code makes a difference! the code is <h1> or a 2 for 
> heading 2.
> Thanks.
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan 22 22:53:25 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:53:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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Ashley:
Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every computer?
They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Amy,
> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though. They
> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out weird;
> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best I
> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't be
> too hard to find.
>
> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased
> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous they
> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
> student there.
>
> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is learning
> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I use my
> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same story
> about licenses. groan.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amy Sabo
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> Dear Ashley,
> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and problems
> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when I
> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community
> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of
> these problems relating to yours.
>
> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't receive
> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking many
> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and, then I
> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in one
> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting
> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would
> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which was
> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for college.
> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely on
> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it for
> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around campus
> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for purchase
> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a
> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of fact
> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>
> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you advised
> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>
> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what
> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a accessible
> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at my
> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my own
> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>
> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.
>
> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope that
> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re the
> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the
> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps.
> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need lots
> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 22:59:18 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:59:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Ashley:
Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every computer?
They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Amy,
> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though. 
> They
> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out 
> weird;
> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best I
> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't 
> be
> too hard to find.
>
> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased
> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous 
> they
> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
> student there.
>
> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is learning
> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I use 
> my
> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same story
> about licenses. groan.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amy Sabo
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> Dear Ashley,
> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and 
> problems
> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when 
> I
> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community
> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of
> these problems relating to yours.
>
> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't 
> receive
> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking 
> many
> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and, then 
> I
> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in one
> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting
> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would
> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which 
> was
> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for 
> college.
> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely 
> on
> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it 
> for
> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around campus
> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for purchase
> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a
> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of fact
> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>
> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you 
> advised
> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>
> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what
> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a 
> accessible
> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at my
> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my 
> own
> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>
> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.
>
> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope 
> that
> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re 
> the
> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us 
> the
> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the 
> steps.
> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing 
> around!
> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need 
> lots
> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan 22 23:04:08 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:04:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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I'm not using it yet, and haven't downloaded it.
I will, when I get my new Dell, (and trade this piece of trash,) (Acer,) in!
I'll E-mail you off list, with the Website.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> Ashley:
> Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every computer?
> They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Amy,
>> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though.
>> They
>> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
>> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
>> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
>> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out
>> weird;
>> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best I
>> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't
>> be
>> too hard to find.
>>
>> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
>> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased
>> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous
>> they
>> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
>> student there.
>>
>> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is learning
>> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I use
>> my
>> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
>> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same story
>> about licenses. groan.
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Amy Sabo
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>
>> Dear Ashley,
>> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and
>> problems
>> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when
>> I
>> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community
>> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of
>> these problems relating to yours.
>>
>> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
>> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't
>> receive
>> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking
>> many
>> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and, then
>>
>> I
>> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in one
>> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting
>> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would
>> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which
>> was
>> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
>> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for
>> college.
>> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely
>> on
>> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it
>> for
>> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around campus
>> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
>> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for purchase
>> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a
>> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of fact
>> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>>
>> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you
>> advised
>> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
>> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>>
>> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what
>> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
>> accessible
>> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at my
>> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my
>> own
>> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>>
>> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.
>>
>> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope
>> that
>> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hugs,
>> amy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>> the
>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>
>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring
>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>> the
>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>> steps.
>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>> around!
>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>> lots
>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>> tests!
>>
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its
>> not laid out well.
>>
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 23:08:21 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:08:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
Message-ID: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons. Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr somewhere. 
Is excell still accessible?
I’ll need the access database for work probably.  

Ashley

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 23:09:35 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:09:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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yeah dell is better than accer.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:04 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

I'm not using it yet, and haven't downloaded it.
I will, when I get my new Dell, (and trade this piece of trash,) (Acer,) in!
I'll E-mail you off list, with the Website.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> Ashley:
> Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every 
> computer?
> They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Amy,
>> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though.
>> They
>> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
>> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
>> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
>> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out
>> weird;
>> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best I
>> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't
>> be
>> too hard to find.
>>
>> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
>> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased
>> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous
>> they
>> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
>> student there.
>>
>> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is learning
>> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I use
>> my
>> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
>> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same 
>> story
>> about licenses. groan.
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Amy Sabo
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>
>> Dear Ashley,
>> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and
>> problems
>> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when
>> I
>> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community
>> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of
>> these problems relating to yours.
>>
>> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
>> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't
>> receive
>> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking
>> many
>> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and, 
>> then
>>
>> I
>> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in 
>> one
>> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting
>> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would
>> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which
>> was
>> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
>> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for
>> college.
>> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely
>> on
>> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it
>> for
>> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around 
>> campus
>> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
>> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for 
>> purchase
>> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a
>> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of 
>> fact
>> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>>
>> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you
>> advised
>> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
>> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>>
>> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what
>> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
>> accessible
>> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at 
>> my
>> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my
>> own
>> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>>
>> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.
>>
>> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope
>> that
>> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hugs,
>> amy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>> the
>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>
>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s 
>> hiring
>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>> the
>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>> steps.
>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>> around!
>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>> lots
>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>> tests!
>>
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not 
>> ADA
>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since 
>> its
>> not laid out well.
>>
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan 22 23:12:24 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:12:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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After I experiment with NVDA, I'll have my college put it on all of
the computers.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> yeah dell is better than accer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:04 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> I'm not using it yet, and haven't downloaded it.
> I will, when I get my new Dell, (and trade this piece of trash,) (Acer,) in!
> I'll E-mail you off list, with the Website.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>
>> Ashley:
>> Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every
>> computer?
>> They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Amy,
>>> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though.
>>> They
>>> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
>>> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
>>> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
>>> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out
>>> weird;
>>> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best I
>>> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't
>>> be
>>> too hard to find.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
>>> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased
>>> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous
>>> they
>>> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
>>> student there.
>>>
>>> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is learning
>>> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I use
>>> my
>>> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
>>> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same
>>> story
>>> about licenses. groan.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Amy Sabo
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>
>>> Dear Ashley,
>>> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and
>>> problems
>>> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when
>>> I
>>> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community
>>> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of
>>> these problems relating to yours.
>>>
>>> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
>>> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't
>>> receive
>>> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking
>>> many
>>> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and,
>>> then
>>>
>>> I
>>> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in
>>> one
>>> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting
>>> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would
>>> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which
>>> was
>>> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
>>> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for
>>> college.
>>> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely
>>> on
>>> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it
>>> for
>>> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around
>>> campus
>>> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
>>> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for
>>> purchase
>>> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a
>>> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of
>>> fact
>>> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>>>
>>> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you
>>> advised
>>> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
>>> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>>>
>>> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what
>>> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
>>> accessible
>>> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at
>>> my
>>> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my
>>> own
>>> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>>>
>>> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.
>>>
>>> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope
>>> that
>>> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hugs,
>>> amy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>> the
>>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>
>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>> hiring
>>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>
>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>>> the
>>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>
>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>> steps.
>>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>>> around!
>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>> lots
>>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>>
>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>>> tests!
>>>
>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>> ADA
>>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>> its
>>> not laid out well.
>>>
>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jan 22 23:23:15 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:23:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
References: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <2DE1D0114AEF41D7BD63A4E591491C55@stanford.edu>

What version of JAWS are you using?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


> Hi all,
>
> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons. 
> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create 
> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr 
> somewhere.
> Is excell still accessible?
> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>
> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 23:27:43 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:27:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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Hi Mat,
I asked the school I T to install jaws in my classroom labs so far; they 
did. and its my first and probably only IT class.
Computers are provided for students there. So I did not need my own. Not 
every student has a laptop for various reasons such as finances and the fact 
there is few spaces to store them.
All I T classes are conducted in the many computer labs, so everyone can 
have one to use.

That said, I'll probably get a laptop since it will have more  benefit than 
just this class.
My professor does not know jaws but she does know the microsoft key 
commands, or says she can look them up. So we'll see what we can do 
together.


-----Original Message----- 
From: Matt McCubbin
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:12 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

Ashley,
I'm sorry you are having difficulties with your college, and it's
unfortunate that they seem unwilling to work with you.
First, you'd mentioned that the college is unable to scan your
textbooks. Have you thought about purchasing a scanner with an OCR
program such as OmniPage? The package would cost around a couple hundred
dollars, but you would be able to create electronic copies of your own
textbooks, and wouldn't have to wait for the publisher to send you the
files. You would also be able to use the scanner to scan class
assignments, mail, and other printed material you encounter.
Second, from personal experience, you'll definitely want a laptop in
class for your IT course, and I honestly can't imagine how you've
survived without one. There is no need to install a full copy of jaws in
your instructors office, you should be just fine utilizing the demo. Is
she familiar with jaws, since she wishes to show you the steps for your
assignments?

I hope this helps, and good luck with your situation.

Best regards,
Matt
On 1/20/2012 2:14 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re 
> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five 
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured 
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring 
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am 
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read 
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us 
> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor 
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the 
> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the 
> thing around!
> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need 
> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it 
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille 
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and 
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA 
> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind 
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its 
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too. 
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 23:30:45 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:30:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
In-Reply-To: <2DE1D0114AEF41D7BD63A4E591491C55@stanford.edu>
References: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC>
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jaws 13


-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

What version of JAWS are you using?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


> Hi all,
>
> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons. 
> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create 
> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr 
> somewhere.
> Is excell still accessible?
> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>
> Ashley
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 23:41:52 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:41:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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Excel's still good. I don't know about Access or Publisher.
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> jaws 13
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> What version of JAWS are you using?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>> somewhere.
>> Is excell still accessible?
>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jan 22 23:49:20 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:49:20 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
References: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC><2DE1D0114AEF41D7BD63A4E591491C55@stanford.edu>
	<F7D916AD2E9343C08DBB3B698240743B@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <42E43EE5D3A842E7A933EC3CE02AAAF3@stanford.edu>

Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13 
help:

Virtual Ribbon Menu
The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being 
released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now 
becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7 
operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to 
inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, when 
you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items in 
a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group. 
Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered 
another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and 
frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you 
should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.

The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see 
everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with ARROW 
keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon 
tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and 
SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to the 
next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and 
ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is 
off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center or 
the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a 
traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


> jaws 13
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> What version of JAWS are you using?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons. 
>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create 
>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr 
>> somewhere.
>> Is excell still accessible?
>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 00:00:06 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:00:06 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 00:04:41 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:04:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
In-Reply-To: <42E43EE5D3A842E7A933EC3CE02AAAF3@stanford.edu>
References: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC><2DE1D0114AEF41D7BD63A4E591491C55@stanford.edu><F7D916AD2E9343C08DBB3B698240743B@OwnerPC>
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Hi,
Yes I heard of this, but the disadvantage is that you cannot use the 
keyboard shortcuts; still I'll probably use it some.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:49 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
help:

Virtual Ribbon Menu
The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now
becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, when
you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items in
a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.

The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with ARROW
keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to the
next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center or
the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


> jaws 13
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> What version of JAWS are you using?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons. 
>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create 
>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr 
>> somewhere.
>> Is excell still accessible?
>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>
>> Ashley
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jan 23 00:10:10 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:10:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
References: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC><2DE1D0114AEF41D7BD63A4E591491C55@stanford.edu><F7D916AD2E9343C08DBB3B698240743B@OwnerPC><42E43EE5D3A842E7A933EC3CE02AAAF3@stanford.edu>
	<CALAYQJAf2tjN2A6ZXjuodi=gmM8mxFR8wzcMvZ5=aii9caStCQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not 
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it 
works, but it is probably better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are 
> now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, 
> when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items 
> in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with 
> ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to 
> the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center 
> or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jan 23 00:10:39 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:10:39 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
References: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC><2DE1D0114AEF41D7BD63A4E591491C55@stanford.edu><F7D916AD2E9343C08DBB3B698240743B@OwnerPC><42E43EE5D3A842E7A933EC3CE02AAAF3@stanford.edu>
	<6DB1DF1D9E1240DC9FD66F1DAD94AD9F@OwnerPC>
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What do you mean by not being able to use the shortcuts?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


> Hi,
> Yes I heard of this, but the disadvantage is that you cannot use the 
> keyboard shortcuts; still I'll probably use it some.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:49 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are 
> now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, 
> when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items 
> in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with 
> ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to 
> the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center 
> or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons. 
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create 
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr 
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
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>>>
>>
>>
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From marrie12 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 00:12:11 2012
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:12:11 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] It's tcjwb tomorrow on wics radio. What will be playing?
	See inside.
Message-ID: <D70D2338-4455-43F0-BC94-3133300287FD@gmail.com>

Hello to all. Tomorrow we will be hearing some spanish choral music and more, we'll be ending with some piano gold.  What kind of gold? find out more tomorrow! We'll also be hearing about the twitter contest. So spread the word to your family  and friends, or those that you know love classical music.

Info is below. 

place: http://listen.ultrastreams.us:8022/stream.m3u
time: monday from 9-11 pm eastern, 8-10 pm central, 7-9 mountain, and 6-8 pm Pacific

contact info
show twitter: http://twitter.com/tcjwb
station twitter: http://twitter.com/wicsradio. 

If you need to contact me off air  contact me here.
http://marrie.org/contact.php
or here.
http://twitter.com/marrie1
See you there.


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 00:18:16 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:18:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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	<0CD199D17DEE43F3ACB475A28E5A60C5@stanford.edu>
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Nicole,
I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have 
them concurrently on the computer?
It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where 
something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of 
2003.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
works, but it is probably better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are 
> now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, 
> when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items 
> in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with 
> ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to 
> the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center 
> or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jan 23 00:46:52 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:46:52 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
References: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC><2DE1D0114AEF41D7BD63A4E591491C55@stanford.edu><F7D916AD2E9343C08DBB3B698240743B@OwnerPC><42E43EE5D3A842E7A933EC3CE02AAAF3@stanford.edu><CALAYQJAf2tjN2A6ZXjuodi=gmM8mxFR8wzcMvZ5=aii9caStCQ@mail.gmail.com><0CD199D17DEE43F3ACB475A28E5A60C5@stanford.edu>
	<85BD4FAB4EF648EABF1962104E571CB3@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <A7D60E43C8DA44EB94627FAC94309192@stanford.edu>

No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend 
just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 2003. 
If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has the 
authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times 
easier.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Nicole,
I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have
them concurrently on the computer?
It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where
something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
2003.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
works, but it is probably better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are 
> now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, 
> when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items 
> in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with 
> ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to 
> the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center 
> or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 00:56:29 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:56:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 2003.
If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has the
authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
easier.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Nicole,
I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have
them concurrently on the computer?
It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where
something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
2003.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
works, but it is probably better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are 
> now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, 
> when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items 
> in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with 
> ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to 
> the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center 
> or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From daviddod at buffalo.edu  Mon Jan 23 01:06:56 2012
From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:06:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
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I tend to agree that any student, blind or otherwise, that is going to
spend a significant amount of time taking college level courses should have
a laptop. Today, laptops are relatively easy to afford and range from small
netbooks to larger models.

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Matt McCubbin <mgoalball at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ashley,
> I'm sorry you are having difficulties with your college, and it's
> unfortunate that they seem unwilling to work with you.
> First, you'd mentioned that the college is unable to scan your textbooks.
> Have you thought about purchasing a scanner with an OCR program such as
> OmniPage? The package would cost around a couple hundred dollars, but you
> would be able to create electronic copies of your own textbooks, and
> wouldn't have to wait for the publisher to send you the files. You would
> also be able to use the scanner to scan class assignments, mail, and other
> printed material you encounter.
> Second, from personal experience, you'll definitely want a laptop in class
> for your IT course, and I honestly can't imagine how you've survived
> without one. There is no need to install a full copy of jaws in your
> instructors office, you should be just fine utilizing the demo. Is she
> familiar with jaws, since she wishes to show you the steps for your
> assignments?
>
> I hope this helps, and good luck with your situation.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt
> On 1/20/2012 2:14 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>
>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring
>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the
>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps.
>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>> tests!
>>
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its
>> not laid out well.
>>
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>
>> Ashley
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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Mon Jan 23 01:12:35 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:12:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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Good evening everyone,

    We're using Office 2010 Home and Business on one of our machines. It 
works very well with JAWS 13 with the virtual ribbon enabled.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
works, but it is probably better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
> now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
> when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
> in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
> ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
> the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
> or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>>
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From nimerjaber1 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 01:48:40 2012
From: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nimer_M=2E_Jaber=2C_IC=B3?=)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:48:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
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Hello Ash,

You can push JAWS Key+5 on the number row and not the number pad to
tell you the colors. This works most of the time. I have also used
w3c. For free domains, the best you'll be able to do is a URL
shortener or a subdomain. Examples would be co.cc or biz.vi or
something similar. Domains aren't that expensive however. You can get
one for less than ten dollars a year, and most hosting packages will
provide you with a certain amount of domain names. Feel free to
contact me with any questions you may have.

Thanks.

On 22.01.2012, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> oh true. I could just checked what I typed to find out.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ignasi Cambra
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:28 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>
> I don't understand the problem. You will specify a background color
> and font in your html code, so as long as you know what you want you
> should be fine. Am I missing something?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Amy,
>> Thanks. I already plan to work with the professor in office hours. They
>> did install jaws in the lab we are using.
>> She taught us to use notepad. But, I don't know if jaws will tell me the
>> background colors and color of font. Maybe I will need a sighted person to
>>
>> do this with me?
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Amy Sabo
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:06 AM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>>
>> Hello Ashley,
>>
>> To answer some of your it and html questions here's my views and what I
>> somewhat know.
>>
>> As for doing stuff in html I did it in notepad since that's how my
>> exboyfriend does his web page but, when it came to doing the layout and
>> all I couldn't make it look professionally.. I know all of this because
>> when I was at ucd I took a web design class and, I had this problem
>> myself. I unfortunately, had to drop the class since I couldn't get a
>> tutor/reader for the class and, the classroom that we were using for the
>> class was one of the computer labs on campus and the network administrator
>>
>> wouldn't let me use a software/or let me put jfw on a certain computer
>> with a software package to make the software accessible for me to do the
>> work in the class. So, make sure that your professor/network administrator
>>
>> will let you do this! Also, work as much if you can at home with the
>> manual and, also work with the professor  at his office hours for his
>> expertise on how it's looking.
>>
>> Besides Microsoft FrontPage there's a software to use web sites with the
>> accessibility with jfw called webtab. Unfortunately, I don't have the web
>> site for it but, if you google it will be able for you rto find it!
>>
>> As for graphics and, all that's something that you will need your prof for
>>
>> or sighted assistance from a classmate too. And, for the manuals for the
>> above products I'm sure that they have accessible manuals and, I'm sure
>> that your prof can provide those for you.
>>
>> As for free sites for providing domain names for you to produce your work
>> I don't know of any of them personally. But, I'm sure that others here on
>> this list can provide that or you can always use your school's server for
>> that. My exboyfriend when he was in college did this before he got his own
>>
>> domain name which was fine but, not everyone could access it and, if you
>> want all access that might not be for you.
>>
>> I hope this information is helpful for you with your it class. Take care
>> and good luck with it!
>>
>>
>>
>> Hugs,
>> amy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:20 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>>
>> Hi all,
>> As you might remember I’m in an introduction computer concepts class. I
>> want the knowledge to be a wise computer consumer and user. We are
>> learning about computer components like the CPU and motherboard and types
>> of memory.
>> We also have to learn basic html and website design. We publish these
>> small webpages on our school server eventually. That is just one of many
>> assignments; we also go over the microsoft office suite.
>>
>> So my questions for those familiar with website making.
>> 1. What software do you publish with? I’m curious. I know many are not
>> accessible. Maybe microsoft office front page?
>> We are taught to write the html codes in notepad and save it as a html
>> file.
>> We don’t need software for the class.
>> Also, any accessible tutorials about html or website design? Our professor
>>
>> gave some to us, online tutorials. I’ll see if they’re readable with jaws.
>>
>>
>> 2. How do you handle the visual stuff such as graphics, color of text, and
>>
>> background color? Will jaws read the colors when you open it up in a web
>> browser? I suspect you just have to see it with low vision if you have it
>> or ask a sighted person.
>>
>> 3. What is the difference between hyperlinks with relative and absolute
>> paths? My instructor doesn’t explain much about the codes; we just look at
>>
>> the lab assignment and type it in. There is a code for each hyperlink put
>> in.
>>
>> 4. Any tips for learning the color and font system called CSS, cascading
>> style sheets? Do I just memorize the codes and what they mean. Not that we
>>
>> are getting that fancy though.
>>
>> 5. Are there free places to publish websites? I do not think you have to
>> purchase web software or a website domain. Doesn’t google have something
>> free? I doubt I’ll publish, but wanted to know in case I decide to make
>> websites in the future.
>> I’m using Word to read the lab assignment and find it challenging to
>> remember all the code and type it in exactly as it says in notepad. I do a
>>
>> few words and characters at a time. What is interesting to me is that
>> there are six types of heading levels; 1 is the biggest and six the
>> smallest.
>> So one number in the code makes a difference! the code is <h1> or a 2 for
>> heading 2.
>> Thanks.
>> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 01:58:03 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:58:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
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References: <65EBBF1656144616BD0325C1F655AFDF@OwnerPC><000901ccd8c3$92675690$b73603b0$@comcast.net><37781375367A4D56AD3D72F088D7B19E@OwnerPC><5625388000000047975@unknownmsgid><DEBEEC78DF8E4F1787E05B2C233C18DC@OwnerPC>
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Hi Nimer,
So you're saying after I compose the webpage codes and text in notepad or a 
simple text editor, I can get a domain.
Wow, $10.00 is cheap. where do I get them. Also, thanks for reminding me 
about the insert five command.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions

Hello Ash,

You can push JAWS Key+5 on the number row and not the number pad to
tell you the colors. This works most of the time. I have also used
w3c. For free domains, the best you'll be able to do is a URL
shortener or a subdomain. Examples would be co.cc or biz.vi or
something similar. Domains aren't that expensive however. You can get
one for less than ten dollars a year, and most hosting packages will
provide you with a certain amount of domain names. Feel free to
contact me with any questions you may have.

Thanks.

On 22.01.2012, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> oh true. I could just checked what I typed to find out.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ignasi Cambra
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:28 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>
> I don't understand the problem. You will specify a background color
> and font in your html code, so as long as you know what you want you
> should be fine. Am I missing something?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Amy,
>> Thanks. I already plan to work with the professor in office hours. They
>> did install jaws in the lab we are using.
>> She taught us to use notepad. But, I don't know if jaws will tell me the
>> background colors and color of font. Maybe I will need a sighted person 
>> to
>>
>> do this with me?
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Amy Sabo
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:06 AM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>>
>> Hello Ashley,
>>
>> To answer some of your it and html questions here's my views and what I
>> somewhat know.
>>
>> As for doing stuff in html I did it in notepad since that's how my
>> exboyfriend does his web page but, when it came to doing the layout and
>> all I couldn't make it look professionally.. I know all of this because
>> when I was at ucd I took a web design class and, I had this problem
>> myself. I unfortunately, had to drop the class since I couldn't get a
>> tutor/reader for the class and, the classroom that we were using for the
>> class was one of the computer labs on campus and the network 
>> administrator
>>
>> wouldn't let me use a software/or let me put jfw on a certain computer
>> with a software package to make the software accessible for me to do the
>> work in the class. So, make sure that your professor/network 
>> administrator
>>
>> will let you do this! Also, work as much if you can at home with the
>> manual and, also work with the professor  at his office hours for his
>> expertise on how it's looking.
>>
>> Besides Microsoft FrontPage there's a software to use web sites with the
>> accessibility with jfw called webtab. Unfortunately, I don't have the web
>> site for it but, if you google it will be able for you rto find it!
>>
>> As for graphics and, all that's something that you will need your prof 
>> for
>>
>> or sighted assistance from a classmate too. And, for the manuals for the
>> above products I'm sure that they have accessible manuals and, I'm sure
>> that your prof can provide those for you.
>>
>> As for free sites for providing domain names for you to produce your work
>> I don't know of any of them personally. But, I'm sure that others here on
>> this list can provide that or you can always use your school's server for
>> that. My exboyfriend when he was in college did this before he got his 
>> own
>>
>> domain name which was fine but, not everyone could access it and, if you
>> want all access that might not be for you.
>>
>> I hope this information is helpful for you with your it class. Take care
>> and good luck with it!
>>
>>
>>
>> Hugs,
>> amy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:20 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>>
>> Hi all,
>> As you might remember I’m in an introduction computer concepts class. I
>> want the knowledge to be a wise computer consumer and user. We are
>> learning about computer components like the CPU and motherboard and types
>> of memory.
>> We also have to learn basic html and website design. We publish these
>> small webpages on our school server eventually. That is just one of many
>> assignments; we also go over the microsoft office suite.
>>
>> So my questions for those familiar with website making.
>> 1. What software do you publish with? I’m curious. I know many are not
>> accessible. Maybe microsoft office front page?
>> We are taught to write the html codes in notepad and save it as a html
>> file.
>> We don’t need software for the class.
>> Also, any accessible tutorials about html or website design? Our 
>> professor
>>
>> gave some to us, online tutorials. I’ll see if they’re readable with 
>> jaws.
>>
>>
>> 2. How do you handle the visual stuff such as graphics, color of text, 
>> and
>>
>> background color? Will jaws read the colors when you open it up in a web
>> browser? I suspect you just have to see it with low vision if you have it
>> or ask a sighted person.
>>
>> 3. What is the difference between hyperlinks with relative and absolute
>> paths? My instructor doesn’t explain much about the codes; we just look 
>> at
>>
>> the lab assignment and type it in. There is a code for each hyperlink put
>> in.
>>
>> 4. Any tips for learning the color and font system called CSS, cascading
>> style sheets? Do I just memorize the codes and what they mean. Not that 
>> we
>>
>> are getting that fancy though.
>>
>> 5. Are there free places to publish websites? I do not think you have to
>> purchase web software or a website domain. Doesn’t google have something
>> free? I doubt I’ll publish, but wanted to know in case I decide to make
>> websites in the future.
>> I’m using Word to read the lab assignment and find it challenging to
>> remember all the code and type it in exactly as it says in notepad. I do 
>> a
>>
>> few words and characters at a time. What is interesting to me is that
>> there are six types of heading levels; 1 is the biggest and six the
>> smallest.
>> So one number in the code makes a difference! the code is <h1> or a 2 for
>> heading 2.
>> Thanks.
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 01:59:43 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:59:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
In-Reply-To: <CAF2O2CwtMmn2DQqLExYQ5G88S+Ci5kPVC1YHJXnjzvOq7=OYWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65EBBF1656144616BD0325C1F655AFDF@OwnerPC><000901ccd8c3$92675690$b73603b0$@comcast.net><37781375367A4D56AD3D72F088D7B19E@OwnerPC><5625388000000047975@unknownmsgid><DEBEEC78DF8E4F1787E05B2C233C18DC@OwnerPC>
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Message-ID: <69F06E90D8594AF0B3A62D9543DA4BEF@OwnerPC>

what do you mean by w3c? Did you do website publishing? In class or where? 
If so, maybe we chat off list.
I don't know if publishing software like dreamweaver or front page is 
accessible.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions

Hello Ash,

You can push JAWS Key+5 on the number row and not the number pad to
tell you the colors. This works most of the time. I have also used
w3c. For free domains, the best you'll be able to do is a URL
shortener or a subdomain. Examples would be co.cc or biz.vi or
something similar. Domains aren't that expensive however. You can get
one for less than ten dollars a year, and most hosting packages will
provide you with a certain amount of domain names. Feel free to
contact me with any questions you may have.

Thanks.

On 22.01.2012, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> oh true. I could just checked what I typed to find out.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ignasi Cambra
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:28 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>
> I don't understand the problem. You will specify a background color
> and font in your html code, so as long as you know what you want you
> should be fine. Am I missing something?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Amy,
>> Thanks. I already plan to work with the professor in office hours. They
>> did install jaws in the lab we are using.
>> She taught us to use notepad. But, I don't know if jaws will tell me the
>> background colors and color of font. Maybe I will need a sighted person 
>> to
>>
>> do this with me?
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Amy Sabo
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:06 AM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>>
>> Hello Ashley,
>>
>> To answer some of your it and html questions here's my views and what I
>> somewhat know.
>>
>> As for doing stuff in html I did it in notepad since that's how my
>> exboyfriend does his web page but, when it came to doing the layout and
>> all I couldn't make it look professionally.. I know all of this because
>> when I was at ucd I took a web design class and, I had this problem
>> myself. I unfortunately, had to drop the class since I couldn't get a
>> tutor/reader for the class and, the classroom that we were using for the
>> class was one of the computer labs on campus and the network 
>> administrator
>>
>> wouldn't let me use a software/or let me put jfw on a certain computer
>> with a software package to make the software accessible for me to do the
>> work in the class. So, make sure that your professor/network 
>> administrator
>>
>> will let you do this! Also, work as much if you can at home with the
>> manual and, also work with the professor  at his office hours for his
>> expertise on how it's looking.
>>
>> Besides Microsoft FrontPage there's a software to use web sites with the
>> accessibility with jfw called webtab. Unfortunately, I don't have the web
>> site for it but, if you google it will be able for you rto find it!
>>
>> As for graphics and, all that's something that you will need your prof 
>> for
>>
>> or sighted assistance from a classmate too. And, for the manuals for the
>> above products I'm sure that they have accessible manuals and, I'm sure
>> that your prof can provide those for you.
>>
>> As for free sites for providing domain names for you to produce your work
>> I don't know of any of them personally. But, I'm sure that others here on
>> this list can provide that or you can always use your school's server for
>> that. My exboyfriend when he was in college did this before he got his 
>> own
>>
>> domain name which was fine but, not everyone could access it and, if you
>> want all access that might not be for you.
>>
>> I hope this information is helpful for you with your it class. Take care
>> and good luck with it!
>>
>>
>>
>> Hugs,
>> amy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:20 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>>
>> Hi all,
>> As you might remember I’m in an introduction computer concepts class. I
>> want the knowledge to be a wise computer consumer and user. We are
>> learning about computer components like the CPU and motherboard and types
>> of memory.
>> We also have to learn basic html and website design. We publish these
>> small webpages on our school server eventually. That is just one of many
>> assignments; we also go over the microsoft office suite.
>>
>> So my questions for those familiar with website making.
>> 1. What software do you publish with? I’m curious. I know many are not
>> accessible. Maybe microsoft office front page?
>> We are taught to write the html codes in notepad and save it as a html
>> file.
>> We don’t need software for the class.
>> Also, any accessible tutorials about html or website design? Our 
>> professor
>>
>> gave some to us, online tutorials. I’ll see if they’re readable with 
>> jaws.
>>
>>
>> 2. How do you handle the visual stuff such as graphics, color of text, 
>> and
>>
>> background color? Will jaws read the colors when you open it up in a web
>> browser? I suspect you just have to see it with low vision if you have it
>> or ask a sighted person.
>>
>> 3. What is the difference between hyperlinks with relative and absolute
>> paths? My instructor doesn’t explain much about the codes; we just look 
>> at
>>
>> the lab assignment and type it in. There is a code for each hyperlink put
>> in.
>>
>> 4. Any tips for learning the color and font system called CSS, cascading
>> style sheets? Do I just memorize the codes and what they mean. Not that 
>> we
>>
>> are getting that fancy though.
>>
>> 5. Are there free places to publish websites? I do not think you have to
>> purchase web software or a website domain. Doesn’t google have something
>> free? I doubt I’ll publish, but wanted to know in case I decide to make
>> websites in the future.
>> I’m using Word to read the lab assignment and find it challenging to
>> remember all the code and type it in exactly as it says in notepad. I do 
>> a
>>
>> few words and characters at a time. What is interesting to me is that
>> there are six types of heading levels; 1 is the biggest and six the
>> smallest.
>> So one number in the code makes a difference! the code is <h1> or a 2 for
>> heading 2.
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jan 23 02:08:41 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:08:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
References: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC><2DE1D0114AEF41D7BD63A4E591491C55@stanford.edu><F7D916AD2E9343C08DBB3B698240743B@OwnerPC><42E43EE5D3A842E7A933EC3CE02AAAF3@stanford.edu><CALAYQJAf2tjN2A6ZXjuodi=gmM8mxFR8wzcMvZ5=aii9caStCQ@mail.gmail.com><0CD199D17DEE43F3ACB475A28E5A60C5@stanford.edu><85BD4FAB4EF648EABF1962104E571CB3@OwnerPC><A7D60E43C8DA44EB94627FAC94309192@stanford.edu>
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As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010, 
especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still be 
read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my recommendation 
is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but they are not easy or 
convenient.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 2003.
If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has the
authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
easier.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Nicole,
I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have
them concurrently on the computer?
It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where
something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
2003.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
works, but it is probably better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are 
> now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, 
> when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items 
> in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with 
> ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to 
> the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center 
> or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From daviddod at buffalo.edu  Mon Jan 23 02:12:50 2012
From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:12:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
In-Reply-To: <2090DF6A9A784D66962115425508577E@stanford.edu>
References: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC>
	<2DE1D0114AEF41D7BD63A4E591491C55@stanford.edu>
	<F7D916AD2E9343C08DBB3B698240743B@OwnerPC>
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Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
time goes on.

If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will take
the feedback into consideration, but still.

2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still be
> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
> recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but they
> are not easy or convenient.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 2003.
> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
> the
> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
> easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
> arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>> now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>> when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>> in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>> ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>> the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>> or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>  jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 01:19:01 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:19:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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I'm glad I stuck with 2003!
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
time goes on.

If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will take
the feedback into consideration, but still.

2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still
be
> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
> recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
they
> are not easy or convenient.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
2003.
> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
> the
> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
> easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
> arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS
13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>> now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>> when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>> in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>> ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>> the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu
is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>> or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>  jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 02:25:22 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:25:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
In-Reply-To: <CAGiF6MHL6TLc-3SDLCgAU=TvqKaGj7=piAPskeeTiPGOxtLBTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC><2DE1D0114AEF41D7BD63A4E591491C55@stanford.edu><F7D916AD2E9343C08DBB3B698240743B@OwnerPC><42E43EE5D3A842E7A933EC3CE02AAAF3@stanford.edu><CALAYQJAf2tjN2A6ZXjuodi=gmM8mxFR8wzcMvZ5=aii9caStCQ@mail.gmail.com><0CD199D17DEE43F3ACB475A28E5A60C5@stanford.edu><85BD4FAB4EF648EABF1962104E571CB3@OwnerPC><A7D60E43C8DA44EB94627FAC94309192@stanford.edu><0430CA855E4B429486579A826F18CB77@OwnerPC><2090DF6A9A784D66962115425508577E@stanford.edu>
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David,
I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't too bad 
from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and feel its less 
accessible. As someone already said, access is not accessible and in 2007 it 
was. Microsoft just had to change things; go figure.
Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility department 
or whomever handels access issues there.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
time goes on.

If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will take
the feedback into consideration, but still.

2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still 
> be
> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
> recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but 
> they
> are not easy or convenient.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 
> 2003.
> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
> the
> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
> easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can 
> have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out 
> where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
> arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 
>> 13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications 
>> being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>> now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>> when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>> in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>> ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper 
>> Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>> the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu 
>> is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>> or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>  jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From daviddod at buffalo.edu  Mon Jan 23 02:32:48 2012
From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:32:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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Here is the contact us link on Microsoft's website:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=mscom . If anyone does have a
contact at Microsoft that would, however, be best.

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Ashley Bramlett
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:

> David,
> I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't too
> bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and feel its
> less accessible. As someone already said, access is not accessible and in
> 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go figure.
> Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
> department or whomever handels access issues there.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
> time goes on.
>
> If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
> contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will take
> the feedback into consideration, but still.
>
> 2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>
>>
>>
> David
> ------------------------------**----
> David Dodge
> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
> State University of New York Student Assembly
> English Major
> University at Buffalo
> 306 Clemens Hall
> Buffalo, NY 14260
> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
> ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>  As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still
>> be
>> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>> recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
>> they
>> are not easy or convenient.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
>> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>> 2003.
>> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
>> the
>> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
>> easier.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>> Nicole,
>> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
>> have
>> them concurrently on the computer?
>> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>> where
>> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
>> 2003.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
>> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
>> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>> arielle71 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>> Does JAWS 12 have this?
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS
>>> 13
>>> help:
>>>
>>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>> being
>>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>>> now
>>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>>> when
>>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>>> in
>>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
>>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>
>>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>> ARROW
>>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>> Ribbon
>>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>>> the
>>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>> is
>>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>>> or
>>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  jaws 13
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>>> somewhere.
>>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 02:34:08 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:34:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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OOh, you can read 2010 documents if you have word 2003? I thought earlier 
versions could not read new versions. But new versions can  read old ones.
I need 2010 for the advanced features of it. And that is what my class uses.

But, yeah I'll think about loading the old one on my laptop or vice versa. I 
could uninstall this new one on the desktop and put 2003 on it and have 2010 
on the laptop.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still be
read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my recommendation
is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but they are not easy or
convenient.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 2003.
If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has the
authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
easier.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Nicole,
I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have
them concurrently on the computer?
It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where
something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
2003.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
works, but it is probably better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are 
> now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, 
> when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items 
> in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with 
> ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to 
> the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center 
> or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jan 23 02:37:58 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:37:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
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I would urge people to be more careful with how they word 
things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as 
accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can 
get to all the controls and identify them with most screen 
readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind 
person, but it is not inaccessible.

I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind 
community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is 
that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive technology.

Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when 
reporting them.

David Andrews

At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>David,
>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't 
>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and 
>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not 
>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go figure.
>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility 
>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>
>Ashley
>
>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
>time goes on.
>
>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will take
>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>
>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>
>David
>----------------------------------
>David Dodge
>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>State University of New York Student Assembly
>English Major
>University at Buffalo
>306 Clemens Hall
>Buffalo, NY 14260
>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>
>
>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still be
>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but they
>>are not easy or convenient.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 2003.
>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
>>the
>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
>>easier.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>Nicole,
>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have
>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where
>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
>>2003.
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>Arielle
>>
>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
>>>help:
>>>
>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>>>now
>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>>>when
>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>>>in
>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you
>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>
>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>>ARROW
>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>>>the
>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>>>or
>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  jaws 13
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.



From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 02:47:21 2012
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:47:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <003301ccd979$5541d630$ffc58290$@com>

I currently have both Office 2003 and 2007 running on my Windows XP laptop,
for what that's worth. It has caused me no problems.

 

Sean


From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jan 23 02:50:59 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:50:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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What advanced features are in the new version?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


OOh, you can read 2010 documents if you have word 2003? I thought earlier
versions could not read new versions. But new versions can  read old ones.
I need 2010 for the advanced features of it. And that is what my class uses.

But, yeah I'll think about loading the old one on my laptop or vice versa. I
could uninstall this new one on the desktop and put 2003 on it and have 2010
on the laptop.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still be
read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my recommendation
is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but they are not easy or
convenient.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 2003.
If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has the
authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
easier.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Nicole,
I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have
them concurrently on the computer?
It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where
something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
2003.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
works, but it is probably better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are 
> now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, 
> when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items 
> in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with 
> ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to 
> the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center 
> or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jan 23 02:52:36 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:52:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] More than one version of Office
References: <003301ccd979$5541d630$ffc58290$@com>
Message-ID: <F5D2C9FFAF3649E98EBAD3836514268F@stanford.edu>

Thanks for the clarification, and apologies for the misinformation.

Best,
Nicole

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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:47 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)


>I currently have both Office 2003 and 2007 running on my Windows XP laptop,
> for what that's worth. It has caused me no problems.
>
>
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> Sean
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 03:07:17 2012
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:07:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
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Hello All,
I recently updated to Microsoft 2010 on my windows 7 computer. So far
the program seems to be working just fine. I've had to google a few
things, but quite frankly anyone using the new Microsoft Office Suite
has probably done the same, just because it is a new program that we
are not accustomed to.
I agree with David Andrews that we should really try to learn the
software before condemning it.
Sincerely,
Mary

On 1/22/12, Sean Whalen <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com> wrote:
> I currently have both Office 2003 and 2007 running on my Windows XP laptop,
> for what that's worth. It has caused me no problems.
>
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 03:16:51 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:16:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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Rania,
I had 2003 until my last computer crashed. I liked it. Frankly, most sighted 
people do too. I don't know why microsoft office did away with menus, but it 
was not a good decission. Everyone tells me they have to look for the 
options since they're moved around, no longer in menus. Pretty soon though, 
so many new features will be around that 2003 won't be practical. But til 
then, enjoy it; you'll have it till your computer breaks.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rania Ismail CMT
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:19 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

I'm glad I stuck with 2003!
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
time goes on.

If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will take
the feedback into consideration, but still.

2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still
be
> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
> recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
they
> are not easy or convenient.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
2003.
> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
> the
> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
> easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
> arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS
13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>> now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>> when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>> in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>> ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>> the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu
is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>> or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>  jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 03:23:08 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:23:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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David,

Thanks. I think the main complaint about real accessibility is Access. Other 
products are usable, although certainly more challenging to use. But user 
friendlyness and accessibility are different. Why I believe the ribbons are 
a big challenge is that for me as I tab through them, there i s no way to 
know when you left a group and gone to the next. Jaws might say option 1 of 
5, but how do you know when you get to the end of that group, unless you 
count them. Other times, I get stuck in edit boxes. Third, ribbons are 
challenging to know where you are. You cannot easily backtrack in a ribbon 
as you can with a menu.  Oh well. I'm glad many commands have keyboard 
shortcuts. This way, you do not have to mess with the crazy ribbon. For 
instance instead of arrowing up there to spell check, you can press f 7.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Here is the contact us link on Microsoft's website:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=mscom . If anyone does have a
contact at Microsoft that would, however, be best.

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Ashley Bramlett
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:

> David,
> I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't too
> bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and feel its
> less accessible. As someone already said, access is not accessible and in
> 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go figure.
> Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
> department or whomever handels access issues there.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
> time goes on.
>
> If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
> contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will 
> take
> the feedback into consideration, but still.
>
> 2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>
>>
>>
> David
> ------------------------------**----
> David Dodge
> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
> State University of New York Student Assembly
> English Major
> University at Buffalo
> 306 Clemens Hall
> Buffalo, NY 14260
> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
> ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>  As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still
>> be
>> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>> recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
>> they
>> are not easy or convenient.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
>> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>> 2003.
>> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
>> the
>> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
>> easier.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>> Nicole,
>> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
>> have
>> them concurrently on the computer?
>> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>> where
>> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
>> 2003.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
>> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
>> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>> arielle71 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>> Does JAWS 12 have this?
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS
>>> 13
>>> help:
>>>
>>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>> being
>>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>>> now
>>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>>> when
>>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between 
>>> items
>>> in
>>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and 
>>> entered
>>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult 
>>> and
>>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if 
>>> you
>>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>
>>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you 
>>> see
>>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>> ARROW
>>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>> Ribbon
>>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>>> the
>>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR 
>>> and
>>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>> is
>>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>>> or
>>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  jaws 13
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new 
>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>>> somewhere.
>>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 03:25:14 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:25:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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You can save documents as pdfs. You can have it create a reference list, 
table of contents, and there is new stuff in the mailings ribbon tab. You're 
right though for basic word processing, there is no advantage to upgrading 
to office 2010; however, I probably will since that is what everyone uses.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

What advanced features are in the new version?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


OOh, you can read 2010 documents if you have word 2003? I thought earlier
versions could not read new versions. But new versions can  read old ones.
I need 2010 for the advanced features of it. And that is what my class uses.

But, yeah I'll think about loading the old one on my laptop or vice versa. I
could uninstall this new one on the desktop and put 2003 on it and have 2010
on the laptop.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still be
read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my recommendation
is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but they are not easy or
convenient.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 2003.
If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has the
authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
easier.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Nicole,
I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have
them concurrently on the computer?
It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where
something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
2003.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
works, but it is probably better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are 
> now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, 
> when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items 
> in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with 
> ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to 
> the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center 
> or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 03:25:42 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:25:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] More than one version of Office
In-Reply-To: <F5D2C9FFAF3649E98EBAD3836514268F@stanford.edu>
References: <003301ccd979$5541d630$ffc58290$@com>
	<F5D2C9FFAF3649E98EBAD3836514268F@stanford.edu>
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good to know.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:52 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] More than one version of Office

Thanks for the clarification, and apologies for the misinformation.

Best,
Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:47 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)


>I currently have both Office 2003 and 2007 running on my Windows XP laptop,
> for what that's worth. It has caused me no problems.
>
>
>
> Sean
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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Mon Jan 23 03:26:20 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:26:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
References: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC><2DE1D0114AEF41D7BD63A4E591491C55@stanford.edu><F7D916AD2E9343C08DBB3B698240743B@OwnerPC><42E43EE5D3A842E7A933EC3CE02AAAF3@stanford.edu><CALAYQJAf2tjN2A6ZXjuodi=gmM8mxFR8wzcMvZ5=aii9caStCQ@mail.gmail.com><0CD199D17DEE43F3ACB475A28E5A60C5@stanford.edu><85BD4FAB4EF648EABF1962104E571CB3@OwnerPC><A7D60E43C8DA44EB94627FAC94309192@stanford.edu><0430CA855E4B429486579A826F18CB77@OwnerPC><2090DF6A9A784D66962115425508577E@stanford.edu><CAGiF6MHL6TLc-3SDLCgAU=TvqKaGj7=piAPskeeTiPGOxtLBTg@mail.gmail.com><5682304EEB434D57BDDD99A13A154972@OwnerPC>
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Hello David and everyone,

    And especially when others are using these products without any trouble. 
Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's documentation for 
procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before declaring 
this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found fixes 
for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility


I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
person, but it is not inaccessible.

I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive technology.

Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
reporting them.

David Andrews

At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>David,
>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go 
>figure.
>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>
>Ashley
>
>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
>time goes on.
>
>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will take
>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>
>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>
>David
>----------------------------------
>David Dodge
>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>State University of New York Student Assembly
>English Major
>University at Buffalo
>306 Clemens Hall
>Buffalo, NY 14260
>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>
>
>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still 
>>be
>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but 
>>they
>>are not easy or convenient.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 
>>2003.
>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
>>the
>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
>>easier.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>Nicole,
>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can 
>>have
>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out 
>>where
>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
>>2003.
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>Arielle
>>
>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 
>>>13
>>>help:
>>>
>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications 
>>>being
>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>>>now
>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>>>when
>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>>>in
>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you
>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>
>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>>ARROW
>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper 
>>>Ribbon
>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>>>the
>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu 
>>>is
>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>>>or
>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  jaws 13
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.


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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 02:28:42 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:28:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
In-Reply-To: <5682304EEB434D57BDDD99A13A154972@OwnerPC>
References: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC><2DE1D0114AEF41D7BD63A4E591491C55@stanford.edu><F7D916AD2E9343C08DBB3B698240743B@OwnerPC><42E43EE5D3A842E7A933EC3CE02AAAF3@stanford.edu><CALAYQJAf2tjN2A6ZXjuodi=gmM8mxFR8wzcMvZ5=aii9caStCQ@mail.gmail.com><0CD199D17DEE43F3ACB475A28E5A60C5@stanford.edu><85BD4FAB4EF648EABF1962104E571CB3@OwnerPC><A7D60E43C8DA44EB94627FAC94309192@stanford.edu><0430CA855E4B429486579A826F18CB77@OwnerPC><2090DF6A9A784D66962115425508577E@stanford.edu><CAGiF6MHL6TLc-3SDLCgAU=TvqKaGj7=piAPskeeTiPGOxtLBTg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <C3BE7AA0941C4E34B81256E1BF526031@userPC>

If you need to contact them about renewing your key can you use the
accessabilityinfo to do that? I have to try o repair Microsoft office but if
that doesn't work I will have to uninstall and reinstall all because the
callender in outlook stopped working!

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

David,
I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't too bad

from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and feel its less 
accessible. As someone already said, access is not accessible and in 2007 it

was. Microsoft just had to change things; go figure.
Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility department

or whomever handels access issues there.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
time goes on.

If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will take
the feedback into consideration, but still.

2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still 
> be
> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
> recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but 
> they
> are not easy or convenient.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 
> 2003.
> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
> the
> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
> easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can 
> have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out 
> where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
> arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 
>> 13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications 
>> being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>> now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>> when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>> in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>> ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper 
>> Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>> the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu 
>> is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>> or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>  jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 02:29:31 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:29:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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Thank you. Will have to hold on to that!

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:33 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Here is the contact us link on Microsoft's website:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=mscom . If anyone does have a
contact at Microsoft that would, however, be best.

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Ashley Bramlett
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:

> David,
> I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't too
> bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and feel its
> less accessible. As someone already said, access is not accessible and in
> 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go figure.
> Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
> department or whomever handels access issues there.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
> time goes on.
>
> If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
> contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will
take
> the feedback into consideration, but still.
>
> 2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>
>>
>>
> David
> ------------------------------**----
> David Dodge
> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
> State University of New York Student Assembly
> English Major
> University at Buffalo
> 306 Clemens Hall
> Buffalo, NY 14260
> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
> ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>  As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still
>> be
>> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>> recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
>> they
>> are not easy or convenient.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
>> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>> 2003.
>> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
>> the
>> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
>> easier.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>> Nicole,
>> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
>> have
>> them concurrently on the computer?
>> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>> where
>> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
>> 2003.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
>> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
>> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>> arielle71 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>> Does JAWS 12 have this?
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS
>>> 13
>>> help:
>>>
>>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>> being
>>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>>> now
>>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>>> when
>>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
items
>>> in
>>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
entered
>>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult
and
>>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if
you
>>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>
>>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you
see
>>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>> ARROW
>>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>> Ribbon
>>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>>> the
>>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR
and
>>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>> is
>>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>>> or
>>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  jaws 13
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
ribbons.
>>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>>> somewhere.
>>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>>> I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
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From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:30:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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I can't read documents in 2007 or newer with 2003.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
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Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

OOh, you can read 2010 documents if you have word 2003? I thought earlier 
versions could not read new versions. But new versions can  read old ones.
I need 2010 for the advanced features of it. And that is what my class uses.

But, yeah I'll think about loading the old one on my laptop or vice versa. I

could uninstall this new one on the desktop and put 2003 on it and have 2010

on the laptop.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still be
read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my recommendation
is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but they are not easy or
convenient.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 2003.
If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has the
authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
easier.

----- Original Message ----- 
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Nicole,
I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have
them concurrently on the computer?
It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where
something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
2003.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
works, but it is probably better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- 
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are 
> now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, 
> when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items 
> in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with 
> ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to 
> the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center 
> or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 02:34:23 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:34:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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Thank you. Enjoy it I sure will. I wanted to upgrade but my computer
instructor told me that if I was just using it for word and that kind of
thing that I am not missing much by not upgradeing. I guess I will do it
when I have to.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:17 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Rania,
I had 2003 until my last computer crashed. I liked it. Frankly, most sighted

people do too. I don't know why microsoft office did away with menus, but it

was not a good decission. Everyone tells me they have to look for the 
options since they're moved around, no longer in menus. Pretty soon though, 
so many new features will be around that 2003 won't be practical. But til 
then, enjoy it; you'll have it till your computer breaks.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rania Ismail CMT
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:19 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

I'm glad I stuck with 2003!
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
time goes on.

If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will take
the feedback into consideration, but still.

2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>

David
----------------------------------
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Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
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On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still
be
> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
> recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
they
> are not easy or convenient.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
2003.
> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
> the
> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
> easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
> arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS
13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>> now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>> when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>> in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>> ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>> the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu
is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>> or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>  jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jan 23 03:38:25 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:38:25 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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You should be able to. You need to download the compatibility pack. When you 
try to open a file with an x on the end of the extension, it should tell you 
about this.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rania Ismail CMT" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


>I can't read documents in 2007 or newer with 2003.
> Rania,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:34 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> OOh, you can read 2010 documents if you have word 2003? I thought earlier
> versions could not read new versions. But new versions can  read old ones.
> I need 2010 for the advanced features of it. And that is what my class 
> uses.
>
> But, yeah I'll think about loading the old one on my laptop or vice versa. 
> I
>
> could uninstall this new one on the desktop and put 2003 on it and have 
> 2010
>
> on the laptop.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:08 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still 
> be
> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my 
> recommendation
> is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but they are not easy 
> or
> convenient.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 
> 2003.
> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has 
> the
> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
> easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can 
> have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out 
> where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 
>> 13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications 
>> being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>> now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>> when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>> in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>> ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper 
>> Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>> the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu 
>> is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>> or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jan 23 03:36:23 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:36:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
References: <5E2C2152FC774F779FDE04D81567D86B@OwnerPC><2DE1D0114AEF41D7BD63A4E591491C55@stanford.edu><F7D916AD2E9343C08DBB3B698240743B@OwnerPC><42E43EE5D3A842E7A933EC3CE02AAAF3@stanford.edu><CALAYQJAf2tjN2A6ZXjuodi=gmM8mxFR8wzcMvZ5=aii9caStCQ@mail.gmail.com><0CD199D17DEE43F3ACB475A28E5A60C5@stanford.edu><85BD4FAB4EF648EABF1962104E571CB3@OwnerPC><A7D60E43C8DA44EB94627FAC94309192@stanford.edu><0430CA855E4B429486579A826F18CB77@OwnerPC><2090DF6A9A784D66962115425508577E@stanford.edu><E510EFC340D049F38327854238E8E2D7@OwnerPC><C36ADB2345D542378A83DF98B5064489@stanford.edu>
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Unless they have changed something about the way that you make a table of 
contents, this feature is not new.

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


You can save documents as pdfs. You can have it create a reference list,
table of contents, and there is new stuff in the mailings ribbon tab. You're
right though for basic word processing, there is no advantage to upgrading
to office 2010; however, I probably will since that is what everyone uses.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

What advanced features are in the new version?

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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


OOh, you can read 2010 documents if you have word 2003? I thought earlier
versions could not read new versions. But new versions can  read old ones.
I need 2010 for the advanced features of it. And that is what my class uses.

But, yeah I'll think about loading the old one on my laptop or vice versa. I
could uninstall this new one on the desktop and put 2003 on it and have 2010
on the laptop.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still be
read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my recommendation
is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but they are not easy or
convenient.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 2003.
If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has the
authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
easier.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Nicole,
I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have
them concurrently on the computer?
It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where
something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
2003.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
works, but it is probably better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are 
> now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, 
> when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items 
> in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with 
> ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to 
> the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center 
> or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From missheather at comcast.net  Mon Jan 23 03:41:34 2012
From: missheather at comcast.net (Heather Field)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:41:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Students wanted
Message-ID: <EA0E6270CB3D482FB8DDFB2367C642EB@HeatherAcer>

FYI:
IBM has recently become aware of some accessibility issues with SPSS, a common
statistical analysis package, when using JAWS and other screen readers. They may
be looking for students or professionals who use screen readers and have access to
SPSS with whom they can work to do accessibility testing. If interested, email:
lar at us.ibm.com

From daviddod at buffalo.edu  Mon Jan 23 03:43:06 2012
From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:43:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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All things worth saying to Microsoft, I feel.

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> wrote:

> David,
>
> Thanks. I think the main complaint about real accessibility is Access.
> Other products are usable, although certainly more challenging to use. But
> user friendlyness and accessibility are different. Why I believe the
> ribbons are a big challenge is that for me as I tab through them, there i s
> no way to know when you left a group and gone to the next. Jaws might say
> option 1 of 5, but how do you know when you get to the end of that group,
> unless you count them. Other times, I get stuck in edit boxes. Third,
> ribbons are challenging to know where you are. You cannot easily backtrack
> in a ribbon as you can with a menu.  Oh well. I'm glad many commands have
> keyboard shortcuts. This way, you do not have to mess with the crazy
> ribbon. For instance instead of arrowing up there to spell check, you can
> press f 7.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Here is the contact us link on Microsoft's website:
> http://support.microsoft.com/**contactus/?ws=mscom<http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=mscom>. If anyone does have a
> contact at Microsoft that would, however, be best.
>
> David
> ------------------------------**----
> David Dodge
> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
> State University of New York Student Assembly
> English Major
> University at Buffalo
> 306 Clemens Hall
> Buffalo, NY 14260
> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Ashley Bramlett
> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>**wrote:
>
>  David,
>> I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't too
>> bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and feel its
>> less accessible. As someone already said, access is not accessible and in
>> 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go figure.
>> Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>> department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
>> time goes on.
>>
>> If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>> contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will
>> take
>> the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>
>> 2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>  David
>> ------------------------------****----
>> David Dodge
>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>> State University of New York Student Assembly
>> English Major
>> University at Buffalo
>> 306 Clemens Hall
>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>> ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>
>>  As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>
>>> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still
>>> be
>>> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>> recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
>>> they
>>> are not easy or convenient.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
>>> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>>> 2003.
>>> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
>>> the
>>> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
>>> easier.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicole,
>>> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
>>> have
>>> them concurrently on the computer?
>>> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>>> where
>>> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
>>> 2003.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
>>> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
>>> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>> arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>> Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS
>>>
>>>> 13
>>>> help:
>>>>
>>>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>>> being
>>>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>>>> now
>>>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>>>> when
>>>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>> items
>>>> in
>>>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>> entered
>>>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult
>>>> and
>>>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if
>>>> you
>>>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>
>>>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you
>>>> see
>>>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>>> ARROW
>>>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>> Ribbon
>>>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>>>> the
>>>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR
>>>> and
>>>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>> is
>>>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>>>> or
>>>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>>>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>>>> somewhere.
>>>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 03:59:12 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:59:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
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Peter,
You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite everyday; 
I don't even know if you have a job.
Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.

No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it was 
becoming less accessible.
That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not accessible. I 
talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing stuff 
work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save, 
control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the same.
Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.

For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5 and 
then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the group? One 
of four what?

How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For instance, you 
tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no 
options.
Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.


-----Original Message----- 
From: Peter Donahue
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility

Hello David and everyone,

    And especially when others are using these products without any trouble.
Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's documentation for
procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before declaring
this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found fixes
for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility


I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
person, but it is not inaccessible.

I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive technology.

Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
reporting them.

David Andrews

At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>David,
>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go
>figure.
>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>
>Ashley
>
>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
>time goes on.
>
>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will take
>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>
>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>
>David
>----------------------------------
>David Dodge
>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>State University of New York Student Assembly
>English Major
>University at Buffalo
>306 Clemens Hall
>Buffalo, NY 14260
>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>
>
>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still
>>be
>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
>>they
>>are not easy or convenient.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>>2003.
>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
>>the
>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
>>easier.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>Nicole,
>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
>>have
>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>>where
>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
>>2003.
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>Arielle
>>
>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS
>>>13
>>>help:
>>>
>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>>being
>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>>>now
>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>>>when
>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>>>in
>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you
>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>
>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>>ARROW
>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>Ribbon
>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>>>the
>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>is
>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>>>or
>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  jaws 13
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 04:01:16 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:01:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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that is true. if you simply need to type stuff and edit it, you are not 
missing much

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rania Ismail CMT
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:34 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Thank you. Enjoy it I sure will. I wanted to upgrade but my computer
instructor told me that if I was just using it for word and that kind of
thing that I am not missing much by not upgradeing. I guess I will do it
when I have to.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:17 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Rania,
I had 2003 until my last computer crashed. I liked it. Frankly, most sighted

people do too. I don't know why microsoft office did away with menus, but it

was not a good decission. Everyone tells me they have to look for the
options since they're moved around, no longer in menus. Pretty soon though,
so many new features will be around that 2003 won't be practical. But til
then, enjoy it; you'll have it till your computer breaks.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rania Ismail CMT
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:19 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

I'm glad I stuck with 2003!
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
time goes on.

If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will take
the feedback into consideration, but still.

2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still
be
> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
> recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
they
> are not easy or convenient.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
2003.
> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
> the
> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
> easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
> arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
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> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS
13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>> now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>> when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>> in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>> ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>> the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu
is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>> or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>  jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Jan 23 05:06:26 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:06:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM
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	No problem chris... I'm glad that I was able to help.
Just email me off list if you have any questions or need any
additional help.



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:56 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hi Amy,

Thank you for the information! I already have Windows Live 
Messenger on my computer, but haven't tried it out.  I will check

this new feature out and let you know if I have any questions.  
Thanks again!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:47:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hello chris and all,

Sorry, for the late notice on this topic but, I will throw in my
2 cents worth on this topic.  Yes, aim is accessible with jfw.  I
use it with jfw and, it works fine.  I have this along with
windows live messenger both on my computers and, I use both.  
But,
as others have said the newest version of windows live messenger
has an awesome tool that you can use.

If you don't want to download aim if you know of anyone who uses
aim, google-talk, or yahoo messenger you can chat with all of
your friends through only using one instant messenger client
which is windows live messenger.

When you add a contact don't to forget to include all of their
contact information like for aim screen name or for the other im
clients like google-talk or yahoo messenger just put in their
emailaddress/screen name with google or yahoo.com and, then add
them to your contacts.  Then you are ready to go!

Another awesome feature added to the newest version of windows
live messenger is that you can configure all of your facebook
friends into your msn messenger client and, then you can chat
with them by using the facebook chat feature through windows live
messenger since thee facebook chat feature on the facebook.com
site isn't accessible with jfw.

Unfortunately, I don't have the link for the newest version of
windows live messenger but, if you just google it or go to
msn.com then I'm sure that you will find it!

I hope this information is helpful to you all! Take care and
happy chatting!



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:05 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

Hi Chris,
I have heard of Miranda but it appears to be a little tedious to
set
up, so given that I still find AIM relatively usable (see my
previous
post) I decided that it's not really worth my effort at this
point.  I
have heard that it works really well with JAWS once it is
configured
properly though, so feel free to give it a try if you are feeling
technologically adventurous!
To answer your other question, I don't believe that the gchat
program
can be configured to connect with AIM.  I don't know about your
circle
of friends, but from my personal experience I have found that AIM
has
somewhat fallen out of favor; most people I know use Google or
Facebook Chat instead.  I mainly use AIM as a way to access the
other
IM clients on my PC, which are not as accessible.  If you do have
friends who are AIM users, I would encourage you to give the
program a
try-- It's not perfect but really shouldn't disappoint too much!
Katie


On 1/18/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi Katie,

 I have heard of people using AIM with a chat client called
 Miranda, which apparently makes AIM and other chat services
more
 accessible with JAWS.  Also, a question: you said that the
latest
 version of AIM enables you to connect to Google or Facebook
chat.
 So will this work the other way around; can I chat with
somebody
 using AIM by using Google Chat on my BrailleNote?

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.
The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:20:24 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of AIM

 Hi Patrick,
 AIM is pretty accessible with JAWS and has an overall
 user-friendly,
 intuitive interface.  Its most recent version (7.5, I believe)
 also
 allows you to connect to Google and Facebook Chat, which is a
 great
 feature since both of these popular IM  services are not
 particularly
 accessible.  While JAWS used to be very reliable with speaking
 incoming
 messages in previous versions of AIM, it unfortunately does not
 work
 as well now; however, I just work around this by tabbing over
to
 the
 Conversation History field whenever a new message comes in,
which
 is a
 little annoying but not too big of a deal.  Hope this helps!
 Katie


 On 1/17/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
  Hey Guys,
  I'm curious to know: How accessible (if at all), is AIM? I'm
 using
  Internet Explorer and JAWS version 12.  Any
 tips/suggestions/help you
  can give me would be great.
  Thanks,
  Patrick

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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Jan 23 05:16:28 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:16:28 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference
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Hello Ashley,

I'm glad that you have decided to go and purchase a laptop through Toshiba. As for purchasing ms office the 2010 version doesn't have a student version. The student version is only up to 2007. And, I don't know how to use it or it's accessibility of it. As for the other software that you mentioned the laptop came with all of the above software that you mentioned. As for recording voice recordings like lectures I wouldn't use a laptop for that feature. I would get a digital recorder for that and, then you can use a auditing software for audio called goldwave which is very accessible with jfw. You can download it for free at www.goldwave.com

Anyway, I hope this information is helpful for you. Take care and, I will talk to you soon.


Good luck,
amy

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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] laptop preference

Hi amy and all,
So sounds like many  of you are happy with toshiba.
I'm surprised I'd have to purchase microsoft office. Can I get a student 
discount at stores?
At least it comes with internet explorer and windows media player. I assume 
it will have wordpad and notepad though.
How about adobe reader? If  not, I can download that for free.

I also know most have an internal microphone where you can record your voice
or music to it.
If I did record, is there anything I can do with it for free? Such as edit
the file? And what format is it in if I recorded a lecture or something?

Does it come with sound recording software? An anti virus program?

I have something on this desktop called microsoft one note and microsoft
silver light. What are those programs?
What is lightScribe?
Ashley
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:55 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] laptop preference

Hello Ashley,

I'm soooo happy that you have decided to purchase a laptop. I have my second 
one which I got 2 years ago and, it works awesome! It's a Toshiba but, I 
don't know the ram or other features on it. But, if you email me off list I 
can share all of that with you. Yes, it has a number pad and, as for battery 
life it's about 6-8 hrs. that's one of the features that I love on it. My 
dell inspirine that I had which was my first laptop that I had for almost 5 
years only had a battery life for about 3-4 hrs which wasn't good at all for 
both school and work.

As for the ms office products most laptops don't come with that feature you 
will have to purchase that yourself personally. Ii already had that software 
package so, I just loaded the disk onto my laptop just like I would for jfew 
or any other software which is on c.d.

As for internet explorer my Toshiba came with both of that feature and, it 
also came with windows media player too which so did my old dell inspirine 
did too! As for wireless my Toshiba has wonderful wireless components both 
at home and at school or wherever I have gone too like to conventions and 
other places for travel like when I went home to Michigan to visit with my 
family before they moved to Colorado this fall. But, my old dell inspirine 
had wireless components for the internet but, the signal coverage was soooo 
slow and, it was content like my Toshiba is!

So, in all aspects I would recommend the Toshiba laptop that I have. Or any 
laptop by Toshiba since both of parents have one and, my sister has a 
netbook by them too. I hope all of this information is helpful to you. Take 
care and good luck in finding a good laptop for your needs!




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:57 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] laptop preference

Hi all,
I am thinking of getting a laptop so I have more options for studying and 
personal notetaking.
We finally have jaws 13 at school; that i s a plus. But with a laptop I can 
take it to professor’s offices or anywhere.

Reasons I avoided them was their weight,  ability to boot up fast, and the 
fact that many did not have a number pad; I want that to use with jaws. then 
I can use  the commands and layout I’m used to.
However, they have improved their speed and battery life in recent years. I 
heard some have number pads.
Will they come with an email client like outlook I hope, a internet 
explorer,
and windows media player?

When I get one I want:
a number pad
a cd /dvd drive
lots of memory; maybe a few GB
prefer one with a sd card slot as well.


So which laptop did you pick and why? How fast do they boot up? How much 
memory? Are all laptops built with internet connection now? Many places, 
including my school, have wireless internet ability.
I assume all have a web browser, probably internet explorer.
Also how long will the thing run on battery power? Just wanted some opinions 
since if I spend money for a laptop, it should meet my personal, academic 
and professional needs. I am thinking a laptop might be a good thing to 
demonstrate to a potential employer or to take for my volunteer work as 
well.

Ashley
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Jan 23 05:20:35 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:20:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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Hello Ashley,

As for getting a laptop I'm proud that you are going to get one. But, you shouldn't share it with your dad. You should have your own. Yes, they are expensive but, you can get a laptop for under $600 or so. If you can't afford one I'm sure like dvr or the lions club or some other agency can help you financially to purchase one for you.

I'm glad that you have had some travel skills and, that you are figuring things out on your own. As for the career center I know that the software isn't accessible but, try to work with them. And, that's why you will have the independence and your laptop for this. Take care and, I will talk to you soon.




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Amy,
I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though. They 
can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor. 
Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union 
building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out weird; 
its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best I 
can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't be 
too hard to find.

I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own 
accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased 
jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous they 
don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind 
student there.

Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is learning 
software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I use my 
own equipment, those programs are not on it.
I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same story 
about licenses. groan.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Amy Sabo
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Dear Ashley,
I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and problems 
at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when I 
began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community 
college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of 
these problems relating to yours.

As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m 
training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't receive 
any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking many 
questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and, then I 
knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in one 
of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting 
around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would 
get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which was 
helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a 
laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for college. 
And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely on 
the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it for 
the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around campus 
well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a 
laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for purchase 
all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a 
laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of fact 
it's her second one to be certain of that!

As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you advised 
the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your 
concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.

As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what 
format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a accessible 
format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at my 
community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my own 
or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.

Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.

So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope that 
you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

Hi all,

Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re the 
largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five 
campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.

I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured 
extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring 
so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.

First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am 
still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read 
meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the 
e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!

Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor 
wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps. 
Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need lots 
of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?

Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it 
brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille 
tests!

Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and 
counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA 
compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind 
traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its 
not laid out well.

Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too. 
Publishers need to get with the program!

Ashley
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Jan 23 05:30:25 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:30:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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Hello Ashley,

As to your questions on using access and publisher with ms office 2010 I can't answer you on that since I haven't played around with those applications. But, I'm sure that you can figure them out and, I'm sure that they are accessible with jfw....

As to excel being accessible with jjfw and, with ms office 2010 it's still pretty accessible with jfw. I have used it through ms office 2010. Anyway, I hope this information is helpful for you. Take care and, I will talk to you soon.




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Hi all,

Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons. Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr somewhere. 
Is excell still accessible?
I’ll need the access database for work probably.  

Ashley
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Jan 23 05:35:49 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:35:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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	Yes, Arielle it does... as a matter of fact I'm using ms
office 2010 with jfw 12.


Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:00 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from
the JAWS 13
> help:
>
> Virtual Ribbon Menu
> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new
applications being
> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs,
but are now
> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the
Windows 7
> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due
to
> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For
example, when
> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move
between items in
> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another
group.
> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group
and entered
> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be
difficult and
> frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not
know if you
> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>
> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation,
lets you see
> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when
navigating with ARROW
> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the
Upper Ribbon
> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW,
TAB, and
> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one
group to the
> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus,
SPACEBAR and
> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual
Ribbon Menu is
> off by default and can be switched on or off from within
Settings Center or
> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated
using a
> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS
users.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> jaws 13
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the
new ribbons.
>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like
to create
>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I
volunteer for pr
>>> somewhere.
>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>> I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 07:36:15 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:36:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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Be careful with this though, because several things changed since
Office 2003 was released and you can run into problems in a class
that's teaching you how to use Office 2010. Especially documents with
macros etc are likely to behave strangely if you use them with the
wrong version of Office. Also, Office 2007 documents are not
compatible with Office 2003 so you need to save them in the right
format.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2012, at 7:48 PM, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home"
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 2003. If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has the authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 07:40:43 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:40:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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I think you need to install a package from Microsoft in order for 2003
to open 2007 files, right? It's true that with 2003 you can get most
things done, but if you are trying to follow a class where people are
using a different version it might be a little annoying.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:10 PM, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home"
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010, especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still be read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but they are not easy or convenient.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 2003.
> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has the
> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
> easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 07:47:06 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:47:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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In a class I took 3 years ago they used macros and some Basic code in
order to grade our projects. This kind of thing never worked well from
one version of Office to the other. I do remember having 2007 and 2003
installed at the same time though...

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2012, at 9:52 PM, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home"
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> What advanced features are in the new version?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> OOh, you can read 2010 documents if you have word 2003? I thought earlier
> versions could not read new versions. But new versions can  read old ones.
> I need 2010 for the advanced features of it. And that is what my class uses.
>
> But, yeah I'll think about loading the old one on my laptop or vice versa. I
> could uninstall this new one on the desktop and put 2003 on it and have 2010
> on the laptop.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:08 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still be
> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my recommendation
> is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but they are not easy or
> convenient.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 2003.
> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has the
> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
> easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>>
>>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 13:00:31 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:00:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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Hi,
I have a aceer and it is a mini lab top and it works wonderfully. I have had 
it for about two years and have had no problems. I rather the mini lab top 
than the big heavy ones especially when you have other things to carry like 
books, folders etc...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating


I'm not using it yet, and haven't downloaded it.
I will, when I get my new Dell, (and trade this piece of trash,) (Acer,) in!
I'll E-mail you off list, with the Website.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> Ashley:
> Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every 
> computer?
> They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Amy,
>> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though.
>> They
>> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
>> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
>> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
>> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out
>> weird;
>> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best I
>> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't
>> be
>> too hard to find.
>>
>> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
>> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased
>> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous
>> they
>> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
>> student there.
>>
>> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is learning
>> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I use
>> my
>> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
>> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same 
>> story
>> about licenses. groan.
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Amy Sabo
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>
>> Dear Ashley,
>> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and
>> problems
>> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when
>> I
>> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community
>> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of
>> these problems relating to yours.
>>
>> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
>> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't
>> receive
>> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking
>> many
>> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and, 
>> then
>>
>> I
>> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in 
>> one
>> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting
>> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would
>> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which
>> was
>> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
>> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for
>> college.
>> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely
>> on
>> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it
>> for
>> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around 
>> campus
>> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
>> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for 
>> purchase
>> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a
>> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of 
>> fact
>> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>>
>> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you
>> advised
>> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
>> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>>
>> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what
>> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
>> accessible
>> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at 
>> my
>> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my
>> own
>> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>>
>> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.
>>
>> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope
>> that
>> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hugs,
>> amy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>> the
>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>
>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s 
>> hiring
>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>> the
>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>> steps.
>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>> around!
>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>> lots
>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>> tests!
>>
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not 
>> ADA
>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since 
>> its
>> not laid out well.
>>
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>
>> Ashley
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 13:02:17 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:02:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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Hi Joushua,
Just a thought, instead of getting into a fight with your school about 
putting accessible screen readers on all school computers have you thought 
about using system access to go? This way it won't cause issues with your 
school assuming things will go wrong because you have a accessible software 
on all of the computers. Just a thought
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating


After I experiment with NVDA, I'll have my college put it on all of
the computers.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> yeah dell is better than accer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:04 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> I'm not using it yet, and haven't downloaded it.
> I will, when I get my new Dell, (and trade this piece of trash,) (Acer,) 
> in!
> I'll E-mail you off list, with the Website.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>
>> Ashley:
>> Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every
>> computer?
>> They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Amy,
>>> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though.
>>> They
>>> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
>>> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
>>> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
>>> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out
>>> weird;
>>> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best 
>>> I
>>> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't
>>> be
>>> too hard to find.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
>>> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased
>>> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous
>>> they
>>> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
>>> student there.
>>>
>>> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is 
>>> learning
>>> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I 
>>> use
>>> my
>>> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
>>> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same
>>> story
>>> about licenses. groan.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Amy Sabo
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>
>>> Dear Ashley,
>>> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and
>>> problems
>>> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself 
>>> when
>>> I
>>> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a 
>>> community
>>> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of
>>> these problems relating to yours.
>>>
>>> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
>>> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't
>>> receive
>>> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking
>>> many
>>> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and,
>>> then
>>>
>>> I
>>> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in
>>> one
>>> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on 
>>> getting
>>> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I 
>>> would
>>> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which
>>> was
>>> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
>>> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for
>>> college.
>>> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely
>>> on
>>> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it
>>> for
>>> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around
>>> campus
>>> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
>>> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for
>>> purchase
>>> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a
>>> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of
>>> fact
>>> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>>>
>>> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you
>>> advised
>>> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
>>> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>>>
>>> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using 
>>> what
>>> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
>>> accessible
>>> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at
>>> my
>>> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my
>>> own
>>> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>>>
>>> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a 
>>> few.
>>>
>>> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope
>>> that
>>> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hugs,
>>> amy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>> the
>>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>
>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>> hiring
>>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>
>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>>> the
>>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>
>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>> steps.
>>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>>> around!
>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>> lots
>>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>>
>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>>> tests!
>>>
>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>> ADA
>>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>> its
>>> not laid out well.
>>>
>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Jan 23 13:05:13 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:05:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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Gloria, this is an old one.
I got it on clearance, at Walmart, and it was several years old.
I'd rather have a Dell, because they say that it's more accessible
with screenreaders.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/23/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a aceer and it is a mini lab top and it works wonderfully. I have had
> it for about two years and have had no problems. I rather the mini lab top
> than the big heavy ones especially when you have other things to carry like
> books, folders etc...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
>
> I'm not using it yet, and haven't downloaded it.
> I will, when I get my new Dell, (and trade this piece of trash,) (Acer,) in!
> I'll E-mail you off list, with the Website.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>
>> Ashley:
>> Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every
>> computer?
>> They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Amy,
>>> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though.
>>> They
>>> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
>>> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
>>> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
>>> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out
>>> weird;
>>> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best I
>>> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't
>>> be
>>> too hard to find.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
>>> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased
>>> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous
>>> they
>>> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
>>> student there.
>>>
>>> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is learning
>>> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I use
>>> my
>>> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
>>> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same
>>> story
>>> about licenses. groan.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Amy Sabo
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>
>>> Dear Ashley,
>>> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and
>>> problems
>>> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when
>>> I
>>> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community
>>> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of
>>> these problems relating to yours.
>>>
>>> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
>>> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't
>>> receive
>>> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking
>>> many
>>> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and,
>>> then
>>>
>>> I
>>> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in
>>> one
>>> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting
>>> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would
>>> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which
>>> was
>>> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
>>> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for
>>> college.
>>> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely
>>> on
>>> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it
>>> for
>>> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around
>>> campus
>>> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
>>> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for
>>> purchase
>>> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a
>>> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of
>>> fact
>>> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>>>
>>> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you
>>> advised
>>> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
>>> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>>>
>>> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what
>>> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
>>> accessible
>>> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at
>>> my
>>> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my
>>> own
>>> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>>>
>>> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.
>>>
>>> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope
>>> that
>>> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hugs,
>>> amy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>> the
>>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>
>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>> hiring
>>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>
>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>>> the
>>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>
>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>> steps.
>>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>>> around!
>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>> lots
>>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>>
>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>>> tests!
>>>
>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>> ADA
>>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>> its
>>> not laid out well.
>>>
>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 13:05:52 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:05:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Students wanted
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Hi,
I am taking a cognitive psychology class, but in our lab course we are to 
use a on line course and the program is called zaps. Has anyone taken psych 
or math class where you needed to read tables and graphs of data? If so how 
did you manage it with jaws? I have gotten readers in the pass, but was 
wondering if there was a way other than cited readers or tact tile graphs. 
Thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:41 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Students wanted


> FYI:
> IBM has recently become aware of some accessibility issues with SPSS, a 
> common
> statistical analysis package, when using JAWS and other screen readers. 
> They may
> be looking for students or professionals who use screen readers and have 
> access to
> SPSS with whom they can work to do accessibility testing. If interested, 
> email:
> lar at us.ibm.com
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Jan 23 13:07:06 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:07:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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There'll be no fight, because they've actually been quite
accomidating, technologywise.
I'm still going to deal with them, on the Braille signage, though.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/23/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Joushua,
> Just a thought, instead of getting into a fight with your school about
> putting accessible screen readers on all school computers have you thought
> about using system access to go? This way it won't cause issues with your
> school assuming things will go wrong because you have a accessible software
> on all of the computers. Just a thought
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
>
> After I experiment with NVDA, I'll have my college put it on all of
> the computers.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> yeah dell is better than accer.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:04 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>
>> I'm not using it yet, and haven't downloaded it.
>> I will, when I get my new Dell, (and trade this piece of trash,) (Acer,)
>> in!
>> I'll E-mail you off list, with the Website.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>
>>> Ashley:
>>> Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every
>>> computer?
>>> They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Amy,
>>>> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though.
>>>> They
>>>> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
>>>> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
>>>> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
>>>> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out
>>>> weird;
>>>> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best
>>>> I
>>>> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't
>>>> be
>>>> too hard to find.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
>>>> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased
>>>> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous
>>>> they
>>>> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
>>>> student there.
>>>>
>>>> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is
>>>> learning
>>>> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I
>>>> use
>>>> my
>>>> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
>>>> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same
>>>> story
>>>> about licenses. groan.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Amy Sabo
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>>
>>>> Dear Ashley,
>>>> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and
>>>> problems
>>>> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself
>>>> when
>>>> I
>>>> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a
>>>> community
>>>> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of
>>>> these problems relating to yours.
>>>>
>>>> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
>>>> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't
>>>> receive
>>>> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking
>>>> many
>>>> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and,
>>>> then
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in
>>>> one
>>>> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on
>>>> getting
>>>> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I
>>>> would
>>>> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which
>>>> was
>>>> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
>>>> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for
>>>> college.
>>>> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely
>>>> on
>>>> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it
>>>> for
>>>> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around
>>>> campus
>>>> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
>>>> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for
>>>> purchase
>>>> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a
>>>> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of
>>>> fact
>>>> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>>>>
>>>> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you
>>>> advised
>>>> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
>>>> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>>>>
>>>> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using
>>>> what
>>>> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
>>>> accessible
>>>> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at
>>>> my
>>>> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my
>>>> own
>>>> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>>>>
>>>> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a
>>>> few.
>>>>
>>>> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope
>>>> that
>>>> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hugs,
>>>> amy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>>> the
>>>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>
>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>> hiring
>>>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>
>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>>>> the
>>>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>
>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>> steps.
>>>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>>>> around!
>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>> lots
>>>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>>>
>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>>>> tests!
>>>>
>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>> ADA
>>>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>> its
>>>> not laid out well.
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 13:32:00 2012
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:32:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
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A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
before.

~Jewel

On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Peter,
> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite everyday;
> I don't even know if you have a job.
> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>
> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it was
> becoming less accessible.
> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not accessible. I
> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing stuff
> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the same.
> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>
> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5 and
> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the group? One
> of four what?
>
> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For instance, you
> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
> options.
> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Donahue
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>
> Hello David and everyone,
>
>     And especially when others are using these products without any trouble.
> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's documentation for
> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before declaring
> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found fixes
> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>
> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive technology.
>
> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
> reporting them.
>
> David Andrews
>
> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>David,
>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go
>>figure.
>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>
>>Ashley
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
>>time goes on.
>>
>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will take
>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>
>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>
>>David
>>----------------------------------
>>David Dodge
>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>English Major
>>University at Buffalo
>>306 Clemens Hall
>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>
>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still
>>>be
>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
>>>they
>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>
>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>>>2003.
>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
>>>the
>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
>>>easier.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>Nicole,
>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
>>>have
>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>>>where
>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
>>>2003.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>Arielle
>>>
>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS
>>>>13
>>>>help:
>>>>
>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>>>being
>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>>>>now
>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>>>>when
>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>>>>in
>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you
>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>
>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>>>ARROW
>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>Ribbon
>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>>>>the
>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>is
>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>>>>or
>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>
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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 13:38:06 2012
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:38:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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Just a quick note: NVDA can be downloaded from <www.nvda-project.org>.
It doesn't sound like JAWS, using different voices that are, in my
opinion, inferior to JAWS voices, but there are many options. THe hot
keys are the same as with JAWS, sot hat 's a big plus. I use NVDA as
my backup, using JAWS on my Netbook and keeping NVDA on a small flash
drive that can be stuck into any computer and started up to make the
computer accessible. I highly recommend keeping NVDA on a flash drive
to be turne don on any computer that doesn't have a screenreader, so
you don't have to wait for the tech people to put screenreaders on the
computers.

Just my two cents,
Jewel

On 1/23/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> There'll be no fight, because they've actually been quite
> accomidating, technologywise.
> I'm still going to deal with them, on the Braille signage, though.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/23/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Joushua,
>> Just a thought, instead of getting into a fight with your school about
>> putting accessible screen readers on all school computers have you thought
>> about using system access to go? This way it won't cause issues with your
>> school assuming things will go wrong because you have a accessible
>> software
>> on all of the computers. Just a thought
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>
>>
>> After I experiment with NVDA, I'll have my college put it on all of
>> the computers.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> yeah dell is better than accer.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:04 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>
>>> I'm not using it yet, and haven't downloaded it.
>>> I will, when I get my new Dell, (and trade this piece of trash,) (Acer,)
>>> in!
>>> I'll E-mail you off list, with the Website.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>>
>>>> Ashley:
>>>> Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every
>>>> computer?
>>>> They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Amy,
>>>>> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though.
>>>>> They
>>>>> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
>>>>> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
>>>>> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
>>>>> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out
>>>>> weird;
>>>>> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best
>>>>> I
>>>>> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it
>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>> be
>>>>> too hard to find.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
>>>>> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever
>>>>> purchased
>>>>> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous
>>>>> they
>>>>> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
>>>>> student there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is
>>>>> learning
>>>>> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I
>>>>> use
>>>>> my
>>>>> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
>>>>> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same
>>>>> story
>>>>> about licenses. groan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Amy Sabo
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Ashley,
>>>>> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and
>>>>> problems
>>>>> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself
>>>>> when
>>>>> I
>>>>> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a
>>>>> community
>>>>> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all
>>>>> of
>>>>> these problems relating to yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
>>>>> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't
>>>>> receive
>>>>> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking
>>>>> many
>>>>> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and,
>>>>> then
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in
>>>>> one
>>>>> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on
>>>>> getting
>>>>> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I
>>>>> would
>>>>> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college
>>>>> which
>>>>> was
>>>>> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
>>>>> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for
>>>>> college.
>>>>> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to
>>>>> rely
>>>>> on
>>>>> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it
>>>>> for
>>>>> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around
>>>>> campus
>>>>> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
>>>>> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for
>>>>> purchase
>>>>> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than
>>>>> a
>>>>> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of
>>>>> fact
>>>>> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you
>>>>> advised
>>>>> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
>>>>> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using
>>>>> what
>>>>> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
>>>>> accessible
>>>>> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at
>>>>> my
>>>>> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my
>>>>> own
>>>>> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a
>>>>> few.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope
>>>>> that
>>>>> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>> amy
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>>>> the
>>>>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
>>>>> figured
>>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>>> hiring
>>>>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can
>>>>> read
>>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>>>>> the
>>>>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>>> steps.
>>>>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>>>>> around!
>>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>>> lots
>>>>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>>>>
>>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get
>>>>> it
>>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
>>>>> braille
>>>>> tests!
>>>>>
>>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>>> ADA
>>>>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>>> its
>>>>> not laid out well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
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From metalgod1030 at inbox.com  Mon Jan 23 13:51:09 2012
From: metalgod1030 at inbox.com (Alexander Kaiser)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:51:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of sam 2010 assessment, projects,
	and training  V2.0 First edition     with Jaws and system access
Message-ID: <8160D41FF410404A919FA27C9DB0A4E7@1x3pqn1>

Dear List,
Hi this is Alex Kaiser. Is sam 2010 assessment, projects, and training V2.0 First edition accessible with Jaws and System access?   I was told currently that my computer applications course requires me to use sam 2010 assessment, projects, and training V2.0 First edition . I am trying my best to succeed in the course and I am looking for suggestions on how to work with the program. Are EBooks completely accessible with Jaws and System Access? I still can't get my criminal Justice book  for my Criminal Justice Class. Please contact me as immediately as possible with answers to these questions. My phone number is 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. My email address is AScottKaiser90 at inbox.com. Thank you for your time and Consideration.
Sincerely,
Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser
P.S. thank you and I will speek to you soon.

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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 13:58:26 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:58:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
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There are many sites that offer hosting plans and domains. You just
need to find the one you like. I personally use dreamhost.com because
their tools are accessible and they give me unlimited storage. This is
just an example though. There are many many options out there...

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi Nimer,
> So you're saying after I compose the webpage codes and text in notepad or a simple text editor, I can get a domain.
> Wow, $10.00 is cheap. where do I get them. Also, thanks for reminding me about the insert five command.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:48 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>
> Hello Ash,
>
> You can push JAWS Key+5 on the number row and not the number pad to
> tell you the colors. This works most of the time. I have also used
> w3c. For free domains, the best you'll be able to do is a URL
> shortener or a subdomain. Examples would be co.cc or biz.vi or
> something similar. Domains aren't that expensive however. You can get
> one for less than ten dollars a year, and most hosting packages will
> provide you with a certain amount of domain names. Feel free to
> contact me with any questions you may have.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 22.01.2012, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> oh true. I could just checked what I typed to find out.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ignasi Cambra
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:28 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>>
>> I don't understand the problem. You will specify a background color
>> and font in your html code, so as long as you know what you want you
>> should be fine. Am I missing something?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Amy,
>>> Thanks. I already plan to work with the professor in office hours. They
>>> did install jaws in the lab we are using.
>>> She taught us to use notepad. But, I don't know if jaws will tell me the
>>> background colors and color of font. Maybe I will need a sighted person to
>>>
>>> do this with me?
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Amy Sabo
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:06 AM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>>>
>>> Hello Ashley,
>>>
>>> To answer some of your it and html questions here's my views and what I
>>> somewhat know.
>>>
>>> As for doing stuff in html I did it in notepad since that's how my
>>> exboyfriend does his web page but, when it came to doing the layout and
>>> all I couldn't make it look professionally.. I know all of this because
>>> when I was at ucd I took a web design class and, I had this problem
>>> myself. I unfortunately, had to drop the class since I couldn't get a
>>> tutor/reader for the class and, the classroom that we were using for the
>>> class was one of the computer labs on campus and the network administrator
>>>
>>> wouldn't let me use a software/or let me put jfw on a certain computer
>>> with a software package to make the software accessible for me to do the
>>> work in the class. So, make sure that your professor/network administrator
>>>
>>> will let you do this! Also, work as much if you can at home with the
>>> manual and, also work with the professor  at his office hours for his
>>> expertise on how it's looking.
>>>
>>> Besides Microsoft FrontPage there's a software to use web sites with the
>>> accessibility with jfw called webtab. Unfortunately, I don't have the web
>>> site for it but, if you google it will be able for you rto find it!
>>>
>>> As for graphics and, all that's something that you will need your prof for
>>>
>>> or sighted assistance from a classmate too. And, for the manuals for the
>>> above products I'm sure that they have accessible manuals and, I'm sure
>>> that your prof can provide those for you.
>>>
>>> As for free sites for providing domain names for you to produce your work
>>> I don't know of any of them personally. But, I'm sure that others here on
>>> this list can provide that or you can always use your school's server for
>>> that. My exboyfriend when he was in college did this before he got his own
>>>
>>> domain name which was fine but, not everyone could access it and, if you
>>> want all access that might not be for you.
>>>
>>> I hope this information is helpful for you with your it class. Take care
>>> and good luck with it!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hugs,
>>> amy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:20 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] my IT class and html questions
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> As you might remember I’m in an introduction computer concepts class. I
>>> want the knowledge to be a wise computer consumer and user. We are
>>> learning about computer components like the CPU and motherboard and types
>>> of memory.
>>> We also have to learn basic html and website design. We publish these
>>> small webpages on our school server eventually. That is just one of many
>>> assignments; we also go over the microsoft office suite.
>>>
>>> So my questions for those familiar with website making.
>>> 1. What software do you publish with? I’m curious. I know many are not
>>> accessible. Maybe microsoft office front page?
>>> We are taught to write the html codes in notepad and save it as a html
>>> file.
>>> We don’t need software for the class.
>>> Also, any accessible tutorials about html or website design? Our professor
>>>
>>> gave some to us, online tutorials. I’ll see if they’re readable with jaws.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. How do you handle the visual stuff such as graphics, color of text, and
>>>
>>> background color? Will jaws read the colors when you open it up in a web
>>> browser? I suspect you just have to see it with low vision if you have it
>>> or ask a sighted person.
>>>
>>> 3. What is the difference between hyperlinks with relative and absolute
>>> paths? My instructor doesn’t explain much about the codes; we just look at
>>>
>>> the lab assignment and type it in. There is a code for each hyperlink put
>>> in.
>>>
>>> 4. Any tips for learning the color and font system called CSS, cascading
>>> style sheets? Do I just memorize the codes and what they mean. Not that we
>>>
>>> are getting that fancy though.
>>>
>>> 5. Are there free places to publish websites? I do not think you have to
>>> purchase web software or a website domain. Doesn’t google have something
>>> free? I doubt I’ll publish, but wanted to know in case I decide to make
>>> websites in the future.
>>> I’m using Word to read the lab assignment and find it challenging to
>>> remember all the code and type it in exactly as it says in notepad. I do a
>>>
>>> few words and characters at a time. What is interesting to me is that
>>> there are six types of heading levels; 1 is the biggest and six the
>>> smallest.
>>> So one number in the code makes a difference! the code is <h1> or a 2 for
>>> heading 2.
>>> Thanks.
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Jan 23 14:00:43 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:00:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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Thanks for the advice.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a quick note: NVDA can be downloaded from <www.nvda-project.org>.
> It doesn't sound like JAWS, using different voices that are, in my
> opinion, inferior to JAWS voices, but there are many options. THe hot
> keys are the same as with JAWS, sot hat 's a big plus. I use NVDA as
> my backup, using JAWS on my Netbook and keeping NVDA on a small flash
> drive that can be stuck into any computer and started up to make the
> computer accessible. I highly recommend keeping NVDA on a flash drive
> to be turne don on any computer that doesn't have a screenreader, so
> you don't have to wait for the tech people to put screenreaders on the
> computers.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Jewel
>
> On 1/23/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> There'll be no fight, because they've actually been quite
>> accomidating, technologywise.
>> I'm still going to deal with them, on the Braille signage, though.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/23/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Joushua,
>>> Just a thought, instead of getting into a fight with your school about
>>> putting accessible screen readers on all school computers have you
>>> thought
>>> about using system access to go? This way it won't cause issues with your
>>> school assuming things will go wrong because you have a accessible
>>> software
>>> on all of the computers. Just a thought
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>
>>>
>>> After I experiment with NVDA, I'll have my college put it on all of
>>> the computers.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> yeah dell is better than accer.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:04 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>>
>>>> I'm not using it yet, and haven't downloaded it.
>>>> I will, when I get my new Dell, (and trade this piece of trash,) (Acer,)
>>>> in!
>>>> I'll E-mail you off list, with the Website.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley:
>>>>> Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every
>>>>> computer?
>>>>> They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Amy,
>>>>>> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
>>>>>> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility
>>>>>> instructor.
>>>>>> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student
>>>>>> union
>>>>>> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out
>>>>>> weird;
>>>>>> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it
>>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> too hard to find.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever
>>>>>> purchased
>>>>>> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it
>>>>>> rediculous
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
>>>>>> student there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is
>>>>>> learning
>>>>>> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
>>>>>> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same
>>>>>> story
>>>>>> about licenses. groan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Amy Sabo
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Ashley,
>>>>>> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and
>>>>>> problems
>>>>>> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a
>>>>>> community
>>>>>> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> these problems relating to yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
>>>>>> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't
>>>>>> receive
>>>>>> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by
>>>>>> asking
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and,
>>>>>> then
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so,
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for
>>>>>> college.
>>>>>> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to
>>>>>> rely
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around
>>>>>> campus
>>>>>> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for
>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of
>>>>>> fact
>>>>>> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you
>>>>>> advised
>>>>>> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
>>>>>> accessible
>>>>>> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a
>>>>>> few.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I
>>>>>> hope
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>> amy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and
>>>>>> they’re
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
>>>>>> figured
>>>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>>>> hiring
>>>>>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The
>>>>>> instructor
>>>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>>>> steps.
>>>>>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>>>>>> around!
>>>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>>>> lots
>>>>>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
>>>>>> braille
>>>>>> tests!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>>>> ADA
>>>>>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> not laid out well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Jan 23 14:08:11 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:08:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of sam 2010 assessment, projects,
 and training V2.0 First edition with Jaws and system access
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Alix, you've asked this question before.
This was the same E-mail, you sent, yesterday.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/23/12, Alexander Kaiser <metalgod1030 at inbox.com> wrote:
> Dear List,
> Hi this is Alex Kaiser. Is sam 2010 assessment, projects, and training V2.0
> First edition accessible with Jaws and System access?   I was told currently
> that my computer applications course requires me to use sam 2010 assessment,
> projects, and training V2.0 First edition . I am trying my best to succeed
> in the course and I am looking for suggestions on how to work with the
> program. Are EBooks completely accessible with Jaws and System Access? I
> still can't get my criminal Justice book  for my Criminal Justice Class.
> Please contact me as immediately as possible with answers to these
> questions. My phone number is 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. My email address is
> AScottKaiser90 at inbox.com. Thank you for your time and Consideration.
> Sincerely,
> Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser
> P.S. thank you and I will speek to you soon.
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 14:36:51 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:36:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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Hi,
That is why I'm using office 2010 for the class; I was just asking if I 
could install both versions on a computer and then I'd have both options for 
other work.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ignasi Cambra
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:36 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Be careful with this though, because several things changed since
Office 2003 was released and you can run into problems in a class
that's teaching you how to use Office 2010. Especially documents with
macros etc are likely to behave strangely if you use them with the
wrong version of Office. Also, Office 2007 documents are not
compatible with Office 2003 so you need to save them in the right
format.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2012, at 7:48 PM, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home"
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend 
> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 
> 2003. If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who 
> has the authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million 
> times easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" 
> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can 
> have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out 
> where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" 
> <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 
>> 13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications 
>> being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are 
>> now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, 
>> when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items 
>> in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group’s layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with 
>> ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper 
>> Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to 
>> the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu 
>> is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center 
>> or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I’d like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I’ll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 14:34:07 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:34:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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I didn't know that thanks.

-----Original Message-----
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Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:38 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

You should be able to. You need to download the compatibility pack. When you

try to open a file with an x on the end of the extension, it should tell you

about this.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rania Ismail CMT" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


>I can't read documents in 2007 or newer with 2003.
> Rania,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:34 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> OOh, you can read 2010 documents if you have word 2003? I thought earlier
> versions could not read new versions. But new versions can  read old ones.
> I need 2010 for the advanced features of it. And that is what my class 
> uses.
>
> But, yeah I'll think about loading the old one on my laptop or vice versa.

> I
>
> could uninstall this new one on the desktop and put 2003 on it and have 
> 2010
>
> on the laptop.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:08 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still 
> be
> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my 
> recommendation
> is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but they are not easy 
> or
> convenient.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office 
> 2003.
> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has 
> the
> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
> easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can 
> have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out 
> where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS 
>> 13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications 
>> being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>> now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>> when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>> in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>> ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper 
>> Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>> the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu 
>> is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>> or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 14:35:53 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:35:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
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Thank you so for that reason I have not upgraded.
Rania,

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Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:01 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

that is true. if you simply need to type stuff and edit it, you are not 
missing much

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rania Ismail CMT
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:34 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Thank you. Enjoy it I sure will. I wanted to upgrade but my computer
instructor told me that if I was just using it for word and that kind of
thing that I am not missing much by not upgradeing. I guess I will do it
when I have to.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:17 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Rania,
I had 2003 until my last computer crashed. I liked it. Frankly, most sighted

people do too. I don't know why microsoft office did away with menus, but it

was not a good decission. Everyone tells me they have to look for the
options since they're moved around, no longer in menus. Pretty soon though,
so many new features will be around that 2003 won't be practical. But til
then, enjoy it; you'll have it till your computer breaks.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rania Ismail CMT
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:19 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

I'm glad I stuck with 2003!
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
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Of David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
time goes on.

If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will take
the feedback into consideration, but still.

2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
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On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still
be
> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
> recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
they
> are not easy or convenient.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
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> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
2003.
> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
> the
> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
> easier.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Nicole,
> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
have
> them concurrently on the computer?
> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
where
> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
> 2003.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
> arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>
>
> Does JAWS 12 have this?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS
13
>> help:
>>
>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
being
>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>> now
>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>> when
>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between items
>> in
>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and entered
>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult and
>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you
>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>
>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you see
>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>> ARROW
>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
Ribbon
>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>> the
>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR and
>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu
is
>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>> or
>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>  jaws 13
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new ribbons.
>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>> I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 14:38:38 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:38:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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I also agree that you should have your own laptop this way you have one that
works. I have had family members install all kinds of stuff on the computer
that also had jaws on it. That really caused a problem because jaws didn't
work correctly. If you have your own laptop you won't have to deal with
other people installing a bunch of stuff on it.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Amy Sabo
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:21 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Hello Ashley,

As for getting a laptop I'm proud that you are going to get one. But, you
shouldn't share it with your dad. You should have your own. Yes, they are
expensive but, you can get a laptop for under $600 or so. If you can't
afford one I'm sure like dvr or the lions club or some other agency can help
you financially to purchase one for you.

I'm glad that you have had some travel skills and, that you are figuring
things out on your own. As for the career center I know that the software
isn't accessible but, try to work with them. And, that's why you will have
the independence and your laptop for this. Take care and, I will talk to you
soon.




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Amy,
I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though. They

can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor. 
Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union 
building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out weird; 
its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best I 
can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't be 
too hard to find.

I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own 
accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased 
jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous they

don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind 
student there.

Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is learning 
software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I use my

own equipment, those programs are not on it.
I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same story 
about licenses. groan.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Amy Sabo
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Dear Ashley,
I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and problems

at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when I 
began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community 
college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of 
these problems relating to yours.

As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m 
training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't receive

any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking many

questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and, then I

knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in one 
of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting 
around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would 
get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which was

helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a 
laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for college. 
And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely on 
the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it for 
the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around campus 
well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a 
laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for purchase 
all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a 
laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of fact 
it's her second one to be certain of that!

As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you advised 
the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your 
concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.

As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what 
format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a accessible 
format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at my 
community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my own 
or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.

Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.

So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope that

you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf

Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

Hi all,

Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re the 
largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five 
campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.

I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured 
extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring 
so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.

First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am 
still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read 
meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the 
e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!

Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor 
wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps. 
Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need lots 
of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?

Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it 
brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille 
tests!

Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and 
counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA 
compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind 
traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its 
not laid out well.

Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too. 
Publishers need to get with the program!

Ashley
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 14:41:29 2012
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:41:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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I have an HP. It is small and lighter than the heavyer ones.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
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Of Gloria G
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Hi,
I have a aceer and it is a mini lab top and it works wonderfully. I have had

it for about two years and have had no problems. I rather the mini lab top 
than the big heavy ones especially when you have other things to carry like 
books, folders etc...
----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating


I'm not using it yet, and haven't downloaded it.
I will, when I get my new Dell, (and trade this piece of trash,) (Acer,) in!
I'll E-mail you off list, with the Website.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> Ashley:
> Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every 
> computer?
> They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Amy,
>> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though.
>> They
>> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
>> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
>> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
>> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out
>> weird;
>> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best I
>> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't
>> be
>> too hard to find.
>>
>> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
>> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased
>> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous
>> they
>> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
>> student there.
>>
>> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is learning
>> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I use
>> my
>> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
>> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same 
>> story
>> about licenses. groan.
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Amy Sabo
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>
>> Dear Ashley,
>> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and
>> problems
>> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when
>> I
>> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community
>> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of
>> these problems relating to yours.
>>
>> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
>> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't
>> receive
>> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking
>> many
>> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and, 
>> then
>>
>> I
>> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in 
>> one
>> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting
>> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would
>> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which
>> was
>> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
>> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for
>> college.
>> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely
>> on
>> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it
>> for
>> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around 
>> campus
>> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
>> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for 
>> purchase
>> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a
>> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of 
>> fact
>> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>>
>> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you
>> advised
>> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
>> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>>
>> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what
>> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
>> accessible
>> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at 
>> my
>> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my
>> own
>> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>>
>> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.
>>
>> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope
>> that
>> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hugs,
>> amy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>> the
>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>
>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s 
>> hiring
>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>
>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>> the
>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>
>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>> steps.
>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>> around!
>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>> lots
>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>
>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
>> tests!
>>
>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not 
>> ADA
>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since 
>> its
>> not laid out well.
>>
>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>
>> Ashley
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From SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu  Mon Jan 23 16:25:55 2012
From: SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu (Salisbury, Justin Mark)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:25:55 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Student Seminar in North Carolina
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Everyone is invited to the 2012 North Carolina Association of Blind Students Seminar!

It's held in Raleigh, NC, but anyone from anywhere is welcome to attend.  The flyer for our seminar is attached.  It's always a great event. 

I'm particularly proud of our exhibit hall.  Last year, we had 28 exhibits.  This year, we're sharing the campus, lunch, and exhibit hall with a professional conference in North Carolina commonly known as "the super-conference."  

There are many hotels close to the campus.  The Raleigh airport, RDU, uses many airlines, including Southwest, so you can get cheap flights.

Please help us spread the word!

Justin Salisbury
President
North Carolina Association of Blind Students



Justin M. Salisbury
Undergraduate Student
The University Honors Program
East Carolina University
salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”    —MARGARET MEAD

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 16:49:29 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:49:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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ell, I think for an expensive  piece of technology, its reasonable to share. 
I use my desktop at home and then do not worry about battery life.
Also, my dad might travel ocassionally and probably would prefer his own 
computer rather than using the hotel computer lab.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rania Ismail CMT
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:38 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

I also agree that you should have your own laptop this way you have one that
works. I have had family members install all kinds of stuff on the computer
that also had jaws on it. That really caused a problem because jaws didn't
work correctly. If you have your own laptop you won't have to deal with
other people installing a bunch of stuff on it.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Amy Sabo
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:21 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Hello Ashley,

As for getting a laptop I'm proud that you are going to get one. But, you
shouldn't share it with your dad. You should have your own. Yes, they are
expensive but, you can get a laptop for under $600 or so. If you can't
afford one I'm sure like dvr or the lions club or some other agency can help
you financially to purchase one for you.

I'm glad that you have had some travel skills and, that you are figuring
things out on your own. As for the career center I know that the software
isn't accessible but, try to work with them. And, that's why you will have
the independence and your laptop for this. Take care and, I will talk to you
soon.




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Amy,
I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though. They

can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out weird;
its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best I
can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't be
too hard to find.

I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased
jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous they

don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
student there.

Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is learning
software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I use my

own equipment, those programs are not on it.
I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same story
about licenses. groan.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Amy Sabo
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Dear Ashley,
I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and problems

at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when I
began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community
college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of
these problems relating to yours.

As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't receive

any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking many

questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and, then I

knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in one
of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting
around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would
get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which was

helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for college.
And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely on
the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it for
the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around campus
well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for purchase
all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a
laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of fact
it's her second one to be certain of that!

As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you advised
the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.

As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what
format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a accessible
format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at my
community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my own
or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.

Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.

So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope that

you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf

Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

Hi all,

Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re the
largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.

I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring
so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.

First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us the
e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!

Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the steps.
Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing around!
They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need lots
of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?

Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
tests!

Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its
not laid out well.

Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
Publishers need to get with the program!

Ashley
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 17:15:21 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:15:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
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Hi,
Can anyone give me some simple steps on how to down load books from the 
learning ali cite? I have a couple of text books I need to get from there. 
Thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating


> ell, I think for an expensive  piece of technology, its reasonable to 
> share. I use my desktop at home and then do not worry about battery life.
> Also, my dad might travel ocassionally and probably would prefer his own 
> computer rather than using the hotel computer lab.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Rania Ismail CMT
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:38 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> I also agree that you should have your own laptop this way you have one 
> that
> works. I have had family members install all kinds of stuff on the 
> computer
> that also had jaws on it. That really caused a problem because jaws didn't
> work correctly. If you have your own laptop you won't have to deal with
> other people installing a bunch of stuff on it.
> Rania,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Amy Sabo
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:21 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> Hello Ashley,
>
> As for getting a laptop I'm proud that you are going to get one. But, you
> shouldn't share it with your dad. You should have your own. Yes, they are
> expensive but, you can get a laptop for under $600 or so. If you can't
> afford one I'm sure like dvr or the lions club or some other agency can 
> help
> you financially to purchase one for you.
>
> I'm glad that you have had some travel skills and, that you are figuring
> things out on your own. As for the career center I know that the software
> isn't accessible but, try to work with them. And, that's why you will have
> the independence and your laptop for this. Take care and, I will talk to 
> you
> soon.
>
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:06 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> Amy,
> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though. 
> They
>
> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out 
> weird;
> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best I
> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it shouldn't 
> be
> too hard to find.
>
> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever purchased
> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous 
> they
>
> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
> student there.
>
> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is learning
> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I use 
> my
>
> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same story
> about licenses. groan.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Amy Sabo
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>
> Dear Ashley,
> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and 
> problems
>
> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself when 
> I
> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a community
> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all of
> these problems relating to yours.
>
> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't 
> receive
>
> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking 
> many
>
> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and, then 
> I
>
> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in one
> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on getting
> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I would
> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college which 
> was
>
> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for 
> college.
> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to rely 
> on
> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it 
> for
> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around campus
> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for purchase
> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than a
> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of fact
> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>
> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you 
> advised
> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>
> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using what
> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a 
> accessible
> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at my
> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my 
> own
> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>
> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a few.
>
> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope 
> that
>
> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
>
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re 
> the
> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>
> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and figured
> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s hiring
> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>
> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can read
> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us 
> the
> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>
> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the 
> steps.
> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing 
> around!
> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need 
> lots
> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>
> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get it
> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to braille
> tests!
>
> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not ADA
> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since its
> not laid out well.
>
> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
> Publishers need to get with the program!
>
> Ashley
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From golfereric at comcast.net  Mon Jan 23 17:43:43 2012
From: golfereric at comcast.net (Eric Gaudes)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:43:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Skype Shortcuts
Message-ID: <9DD2856A5F904E6B91A4D64A4D1000B2@SCHOOLLAPTOP>

Hello Everyone 

 

I was wondering if anyone had keyboard shortcuts for skype? 

 

Thanks,

Eric 


From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 23 20:33:51 2012
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:33:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Scanning books with Kurzweil
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1597.1327197731.18094.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1195A730FFDD78D59B44D67C48A0@phx.gbl>

Chris,

Yes, you scan one page at a time, so with longer pieces of information
such as books, you usually need to break the binding. I have an older
version of Kurzweil which was purchased about six years ago, so it takes
about a minute per page. Current versions, I believe, are a bit faster
and can do a few more things such as recognize paper money, though I
don't know why one would use a program like Kurzweil for this. I rarely
had to scan textbooks for school on my own, but I sometimes wanted
electronic copies of chapters the DSO had provided in other formats, or
I often scanned my own hand-outs. My husband and I use it a lot for
personal reasons like Ross bought a book about a specific work-out and
weight training program, and he scanned the book.

So to answer your question, yes, you do need to scan a book page by
page, though it scans both front and back of a page at one time. Others,
I'm sure, can provide you with more details and speak to current
versions of Kurzweil along with other OCR software.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 30
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:00:41 -0500
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books in Kurzweil was re: school is not
	accomodating
Message-ID: <4f1b6dfd.4921e00a.3f78.5c1d at mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi Bridgit and everyone,

Is there a way to scan books with Kurzweil? I thought you have to 
scan page-by-page with Kurzweil, but I have heard people on this 
list saying that they can scan books with it.  How do you do 
that?
Thanks,

Chris



From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 20:56:32 2012
From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:56:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] John J university of criminal Justice
Message-ID: <F0257415ED5A412E9EC3FDDEAD0FC8B9@klhurstl1>

greetings,

Has anyone attended this school? If so how are the disability services. What did you think about the school in general. the ups and downs etc? I'm currently looking into John J.
thanks,
keri

"Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart."
--Robert Sexton

"For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it."
--Ivan Panin

Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his.

From leanicole1988 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 21:37:22 2012
From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:37:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Skype Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <9DD2856A5F904E6B91A4D64A4D1000B2@SCHOOLLAPTOP>
References: <9DD2856A5F904E6B91A4D64A4D1000B2@SCHOOLLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <CAD0KW=Z5jv7dm7miehCZ36CK=KMhJesfqO=6CgkvYQWi09vAaQ@mail.gmail.com>

I know you can do control t for tools and the up to options, and
enter, then arrow down to hot keys and turn them on if they are not.
Then when you get a call, ault page up
hang up ault page down.
etc... you can change them about in that settings. and also find out
what others are.
Also things like ault v for view, application has a lot of things.
I use skype 5.5 and I can do the control 1 2 3 etc...

HTH

On 1/23/12, Eric Gaudes <golfereric at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello Everyone
>
>
>
> I was wondering if anyone had keyboard shortcuts for skype?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
>
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 22:00:20 2012
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:00:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Let Yourself Be Entertained With The Djd Invasion Tonight
Message-ID: <DB4E041C65744D78A5398DB1545FC4F9@pc2011>

Hi Everyone!
I hope you're ready for another great night of music and fun on Audio Access FM!
The fun begins wit Pop Tops at 7 PM eastern, where we play songs that were top ten or better on billboard, and each program has a theme associated with it. Tonight's theme On Pop Tops: Self Replacements

When Dennis From New York City ends his trip through pop history, The Djd Invasion takes center stage on Audio AccessFM and ACB Radio Interactive , as Djd and his friends bring you musical variety as only Djd can bring it with another edition of The Djd Invasion, going from 8 PM eastern until 10!
On tonight's invasion, we'll hear our usual blend of pop, rock, oldies, your requests, listener interactions during the show, and today, we have our Judge Judy clip of the month with perhaps other musical treats thrown in to, you just never know.
One thing for sure that I know is that we will play your requests.

During the invasion, you can contact me to make requests or say hi by emailing me at
djd at audioaccessfm.com
Say hi to me on twitter by following
audioaccessfm
Chill with us on skype. The skype nameto use is
audio.accessfm
Or pick up the phone and call
516-324-2314
to hang out with us live during the show. Don't worry, we won't put you on the air without your consent.

So why not join the show? Whether you need some cheering up or just want to be entertained, tune in for Pop Tops at 7 PM eastern or at any time between 8 PM and 10PM eastern for a night of Djd Invasion magic. The listen link is at
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php

Hope to see you there!
>From David Dunphy, Station Manager, Audio Access FM Stretching The Boundaries Of Sound Entertainment
~http://www.audioaccessfm.com

From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 22:00:06 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:00:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
Message-ID: <4f1dd89c.2520340a.5514.72bb@mx.google.com>

And=20it's=20free;=20about=20as=20good=20as=20JAWS,=20IMO.=20=20The=20link=
=20is=20
www.nvda-project.org.

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20<jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2022=20Jan=202012=2016:53:25=20-0600
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accommodating

Ashley:
Why=20not=20ask=20them=20to=20go=20to=20NVDA's=20Website,=20and=20download=
=20it=20on=20
every=20computer?
They=20don't=20need=20licenses,=20with=20NVDA.
Blessings,=20Joshua

On=201/22/12,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>=20wrote:
=20Amy,
=20I=20am=20pretty=20sure=20I=20will=20get=20a=20laptop;=20I'll=20share=20i=
t=20with=20my=20dad=20
though.=20=20They
=20can=20get=20expensive,=20so=20its=20best=20if=20more=20than=20one=20pers=
on=20use=20it.
=20As=20for=20mobility,=20I=20did=20receive=20an=20orientation=20by=20a=20m=
obility=20
instructor.
=20Also,=20my=20parents=20helped=20me=20out.=20=20But=20its=20just=20that=20=
the=20new=20
student=20union
=20building=20with=20the=20bookstore,=20student=20caf=E9=20and=20more=20in=
=20it=20is=20laid=20
out=20weird;
=20its=20not=20a=20=20particular=20shape;=20just=20a=20lot=20of=20open=20sp=
ace.=20=20I'll=20do=20
the=20best=20I
=20can=20with=20it=20though.=20=20The=20counseling=20center=20is=20in=20a=20=
corner=20so=20it=20
shouldn't=20be
=20too=20hard=20to=20find.

=20I'm=20looking=20for=20readers=20as=20well.=20=20So=20looks=20like=20I'll=
=20have=20to=20
make=20my=20own
=20accomodations.=20=20However,=20I=20still=20will=20plan=20to=20speak=20to=
=20whomever=20
purchased
=20jaws;=20someone=20in=20the=20office=20of=20the=20vice=20president.=20=20=
I=20find=20it=20
rediculous=20they
=20don't=20have=20enough=20licenses;=20I'm=20not=20going=20to=20be=20the=20=
last=20legally=20
blind
=20student=20there.

=20Another=20drawback=20to=20just=20using=20my=20own=20equipment=20is=20tha=
t=20there=20is=20
learning
=20software=20and=20databases=20in=20the=20tutoring=20center=20and=20career=
=20center.=20=20
If=20I=20use=20my
=20own=20equipment,=20those=20programs=20are=20not=20on=20it.
=20I'm=20sure=20if=20I=20request=20jaws=20in=20the=20career=20center,=20I=20=
will=20get=20the=20
same=20story
=20about=20licenses.=20=20groan.

=20Ashley
=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Amy=20Sabo
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=2012:21=20AM
=20To:=20'National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list'
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accommodating

=20Dear=20Ashley,
=20I'm=20sorry=20that=20you=20are=20having=20difficulties=20with=20your=20s=
ituations=20
and=20problems
=20at=20a=20community=20college.=20=20I=20too=20had=20some=20of=20these=20s=
ame=20problems=20
myself=20when=20I
=20began=20my=20college=20experience=20way=20back=20in=202000=20where=20I=20=
began=20at=20a=20
community
=20college=20in=20Michigan.=20=20And,=20here's=20what=20I=20had=20to=20do=20=
in=20dealing=20
with=20all=20of
=20these=20problems=20relating=20to=20yours.

=20As=20to=20the=20mobility=20situation=20on=20your=20campus=20I=20didn't=20=
have=20any=20o=20
and=20m
=20training=20even=20though=20I=20had=20asked=20the=20mi=20commission=20for=
=20some=20I=20
didn't=20receive
=20any=20at=20all.=20=20So,=20what=20I=20did=20was=20try=20to=20learn=20as=
=20much=20on=20my=20own=20
by=20asking=20many
=20questions=20and,=20also=20asking=20other=20students=20for=20sighted=20as=
sistance=20
and,=20then=20I
=20knew=20where=20to=20go.=20=20I=20also=20had=20my=20parents=20or=20a=20si=
ghted=20friend=20who=20
was=20in=20one
=20of=20my=20classes=20show=20me=20around=20the=20campus.=20=20So,=20those=
=20are=202=20ideas=20
on=20getting
=20around=20your=20community=20college=20independtally.=20=20As=20for=20you=
r=20it=20
class=20I=20would
=20get=20a=20laptop.=20=20I=20had=20a=20voicenote=20when=20I=20was=20at=20m=
y=20community=20
college=20which=20was
=20helpful=20but,=20it=20didn't=20do=20everything=20that=20I=20needed=20for=
=20my=20
classes=20so,=20a
=20laptop=20is=20sooo=20much=20beneficial=20in=20working=20on=20the=20job=20=
and,=20also=20
for=20college.
=20And,=20you=20can=20have=20your=20own=20copy=20of=20jfw=20on=20it=20and,=
=20you=20don't=20have=20
to=20rely=20on
=20the=20dss=20office=20or=20the=20school's=20version=20or=20wait=20for=20t=
heir=20
licenses=20of=20it=20for
=20the=20keys.=20=20You=20said=20that=20you=20don't=20want=20to=20lug=20a=20=
large=20laptop=20
around=20campus
=20well,=20I=20used=20a=20roller=20bag=20for=20it=20and,=20it=20worked=20ou=
t=20fine=20or=20put=20
it=20in=20a
=20laptop=20bag=20for=20a=20backpack=20or=20messenger=20bag=20which=20is=20=
available=20
for=20purchase
=20all=20major=20stores.=20=20Or,=20you=20can=20purchase=20a=20netbook=20wh=
ich=20is=20
smaller=20than=20a
=20laptop=20and,=20it=20works=20great=20with=20jfw.=20=20My=20sister=20has=
=20one=20as=20a=20
matter=20of=20fact
=20it's=20her=20second=20one=20to=20be=20certain=20of=20that!

=20As=20for=20the=20school's=20web=20site=20not=20being=20accessible=20with=
=20jfw=20have=20
you=20advised
=20the=20dss=20office=20of=20this?=20If=20yes=20or=20no=20then=20send=20a=20=
friendly=20email=20
of=20your
=20concerns=20and=20frustrations=20to=20the=20webmaster=20of=20the=20school=
's=20web=20
site.

=20As=20for=20the=20cd=20for=20the=20textbook=20or=20other=20materials=20th=
at=20you=20are=20
using=20what
=20format=20is=20it=20in?=20as=20for=20all=20of=20the=20it=20books=20try=20=
to=20get=20them=20in=20a=20
accessible
=20format=20on=20your=20own=20or=20get=20the=20dss=20office=20to=20assist=20=
you?=20When=20I=20
began=20at=20my
=20community=20college=20this=20happened=20to=20me=20and,=20I=20had=20to=20=
scan=20my=20
books=20on=20my=20own
=20or=20have=20a=20reader=20or=20a=20family=20member=20be=20my=20reader=20f=
or=20me.

=20Besides=20rfbd=20there's=20other=20resources=20like=20bookshare=20or=20n=
ls=20to=20
name=20a=20few.

=20So,=20there=20are=20many=20resources=20and=20ideas=20that=20I=20have=20g=
iven=20to=20you.=20=20
I=20hope=20that
=20you=20can=20use=20them=20to=20your=20advantage.=20=20Take=20care=20and=20=
good=20luck!




=20Hugs,
=20amy

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org=20
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On=20Behalf
=20Of=20Ashley=20Bramlett
=20Sent:=20Friday,=20January=2020,=202012=2012:14=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accomodating

=20Hi=20all,

=20Just=20want=20to=20vent.=20=20My=20school=20doesn=92t=20seem=20very=20ac=
comodating=20and=20
they=92re=20the
=20largest=20community=20college=20in=20the=20commonwealth.=20=20Yo=20They=
=20got=20over=20
five
=20campuses=20and=20you=20can=20read=20about=20at=20www.nvcc.edu.

=20I=92m=20just=20taking=20further=20classes=20to=20get=20a=20writing=20cer=
tificate=20and=20
figured
=20extra=20knowledge=20will=20enhance=20my=20resume=20as=20I=20look=20for=20=
work.=20=20No=20
one=92s=20hiring
=20so=20it=20will=20be=20a=20whwile;=20might=20as=20well=20learn=20more.

=20First,=20my=20disability=20service=20office,=20DSO,=20does=20not=20scan=
=20any=20
texts.=20=20I=20am
=20still=20waiting=20for=20electronic=20text;=20fortunately,=20a=20family=20=
member=20
can=20read
=20meanwhile=20til=20I=20find=20a=20reader=20at=20school.=20=20If=20the=20p=
ublisher=20won=92t=20
give=20us=20the
=20e-book,=20they=20likely=20never=20will;=20I=20mean=20its=20been=20two=20=
weeks!

=20Second,=20I=20am=20taking=20that=20It=20class=20as=20I=20mentioned=20bef=
ore.=20=20The=20
instructor
=20wanted=20jaws=20installed=20in=20her=20office=20because=20she=20needs=20=
to=20show=20me=20
the=20steps.
=20Hmm.=20=20Maybe=20I=20need=20a=20laptop.=20=20But=20I=20hate=20the=20ide=
a=20of=20lugging=20the=20
thing=20around!
=20They=20tell=20us=20they=20don=92t=20have=20enough=20licenses;=20um=20how=
=20absurd.=20=20
They=20need=20lots
=20of=20them.=20=20what=20if=20another=20blind=20student=20needs=20jaws=20i=
n=20a=20
classroom=20lab?

=20Third,=20they=20cannot=20braille=20tests;=20at=20least=20they=20will=20o=
utsource=20
to=20get=20it
=20brailled=20though;=20just=20seems=20like=20a=20large=20school=20would=20=
be=20able=20to=20
braille
=20tests!

=20Fourth,=20this=20new=20building=20which=20holds=20the=20student=20servic=
e=20stuff=20
and
=20counseling=20center=20is=20very=20open=20few=20halls,=20few=20landmarks.=
=20=20I=20bet=20
its=20not=20ADA
=20compliant.=20=20I=20don=92t=20know=20though.=20=20Its=20certainly=20conf=
using=20for=20a=20
blind
=20traveler.=20=20Sighted=20people=20get=20lost=20until=20they=92ve=20been=
=20there=20a=20
lot=20since=20its
=20not=20laid=20out=20well.

=20Not=20to=20mention=20the=20inaccessible=20website=20and=20CD=20for=20the=
=20IT=20class=20
too.
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 22:00:10 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:00:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
Message-ID: <4f1dd8a0.2520340a.5514.72c0@mx.google.com>

It=20uses=20a=20different=20synthesizer,=20called=20eSpeak=20as=20default,=
=20but=20
you=20can=20get=20Eloquence=20versions=20for=20it.=20=20I=20personally=20do=
n't=20like=20
eSpeak,=20so=20use=20either=20Eloquence=20or=20DecTalk=20for=20NVDA.

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2022=20Jan=202012=2017:59:18=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accommodating

good=20idea;=20does=20nvda=20sound=20like=20jaws=20and=20where=20is=20the=20=
website?

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20Joshua=20Lester
Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=205:53=20PM
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accommodating

Ashley:
Why=20not=20ask=20them=20to=20go=20to=20NVDA's=20Website,=20and=20download=
=20it=20on=20
every=20computer?
They=20don't=20need=20licenses,=20with=20NVDA.
Blessings,=20Joshua

On=201/22/12,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>=20wrote:
=20Amy,
=20I=20am=20pretty=20sure=20I=20will=20get=20a=20laptop;=20I'll=20share=20i=
t=20with=20my=20dad=20
though.
=20They
=20can=20get=20expensive,=20so=20its=20best=20if=20more=20than=20one=20pers=
on=20use=20it.
=20As=20for=20mobility,=20I=20did=20receive=20an=20orientation=20by=20a=20m=
obility=20
instructor.
=20Also,=20my=20parents=20helped=20me=20out.=20=20But=20its=20just=20that=20=
the=20new=20
student=20union
=20building=20with=20the=20bookstore,=20student=20caf=E9=20and=20more=20in=
=20it=20is=20laid=20
out
=20weird;
=20its=20not=20a=20=20particular=20shape;=20just=20a=20lot=20of=20open=20sp=
ace.=20=20I'll=20do=20
the=20best=20I
=20can=20with=20it=20though.=20=20The=20counseling=20center=20is=20in=20a=20=
corner=20so=20it=20
shouldn't
=20be
=20too=20hard=20to=20find.

=20I'm=20looking=20for=20readers=20as=20well.=20=20So=20looks=20like=20I'll=
=20have=20to=20
make=20my=20own
=20accomodations.=20=20However,=20I=20still=20will=20plan=20to=20speak=20to=
=20whomever=20
purchased
=20jaws;=20someone=20in=20the=20office=20of=20the=20vice=20president.=20=20=
I=20find=20it=20
rediculous
=20they
=20don't=20have=20enough=20licenses;=20I'm=20not=20going=20to=20be=20the=20=
last=20legally=20
blind
=20student=20there.

=20Another=20drawback=20to=20just=20using=20my=20own=20equipment=20is=20tha=
t=20there=20is=20
learning
=20software=20and=20databases=20in=20the=20tutoring=20center=20and=20career=
=20center.=20=20
If=20I=20use
=20my
=20own=20equipment,=20those=20programs=20are=20not=20on=20it.
=20I'm=20sure=20if=20I=20request=20jaws=20in=20the=20career=20center,=20I=20=
will=20get=20the=20
same=20story
=20about=20licenses.=20=20groan.

=20Ashley
=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Amy=20Sabo
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=2012:21=20AM
=20To:=20'National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list'
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accommodating

=20Dear=20Ashley,
=20I'm=20sorry=20that=20you=20are=20having=20difficulties=20with=20your=20s=
ituations=20
and
=20problems
=20at=20a=20community=20college.=20=20I=20too=20had=20some=20of=20these=20s=
ame=20problems=20
myself=20when
=20I
=20began=20my=20college=20experience=20way=20back=20in=202000=20where=20I=20=
began=20at=20a=20
community
=20college=20in=20Michigan.=20=20And,=20here's=20what=20I=20had=20to=20do=20=
in=20dealing=20
with=20all=20of
=20these=20problems=20relating=20to=20yours.

=20As=20to=20the=20mobility=20situation=20on=20your=20campus=20I=20didn't=20=
have=20any=20o=20
and=20m
=20training=20even=20though=20I=20had=20asked=20the=20mi=20commission=20for=
=20some=20I=20
didn't
=20receive
=20any=20at=20all.=20=20So,=20what=20I=20did=20was=20try=20to=20learn=20as=
=20much=20on=20my=20own=20
by=20asking
=20many
=20questions=20and,=20also=20asking=20other=20students=20for=20sighted=20as=
sistance=20
and,=20then
=20I
=20knew=20where=20to=20go.=20=20I=20also=20had=20my=20parents=20or=20a=20si=
ghted=20friend=20who=20
was=20in=20one
=20of=20my=20classes=20show=20me=20around=20the=20campus.=20=20So,=20those=
=20are=202=20ideas=20
on=20getting
=20around=20your=20community=20college=20independtally.=20=20As=20for=20you=
r=20it=20
class=20I=20would
=20get=20a=20laptop.=20=20I=20had=20a=20voicenote=20when=20I=20was=20at=20m=
y=20community=20
college=20which
=20was
=20helpful=20but,=20it=20didn't=20do=20everything=20that=20I=20needed=20for=
=20my=20
classes=20so,=20a
=20laptop=20is=20sooo=20much=20beneficial=20in=20working=20on=20the=20job=20=
and,=20also=20
for
=20college.
=20And,=20you=20can=20have=20your=20own=20copy=20of=20jfw=20on=20it=20and,=
=20you=20don't=20have=20
to=20rely
=20on
=20the=20dss=20office=20or=20the=20school's=20version=20or=20wait=20for=20t=
heir=20
licenses=20of=20it
=20for
=20the=20keys.=20=20You=20said=20that=20you=20don't=20want=20to=20lug=20a=20=
large=20laptop=20
around=20campus
=20well,=20I=20used=20a=20roller=20bag=20for=20it=20and,=20it=20worked=20ou=
t=20fine=20or=20put=20
it=20in=20a
=20laptop=20bag=20for=20a=20backpack=20or=20messenger=20bag=20which=20is=20=
available=20
for=20purchase
=20all=20major=20stores.=20=20Or,=20you=20can=20purchase=20a=20netbook=20wh=
ich=20is=20
smaller=20than=20a
=20laptop=20and,=20it=20works=20great=20with=20jfw.=20=20My=20sister=20has=
=20one=20as=20a=20
matter=20of=20fact
=20it's=20her=20second=20one=20to=20be=20certain=20of=20that!

=20As=20for=20the=20school's=20web=20site=20not=20being=20accessible=20with=
=20jfw=20have=20
you
=20advised
=20the=20dss=20office=20of=20this?=20If=20yes=20or=20no=20then=20send=20a=20=
friendly=20email=20
of=20your
=20concerns=20and=20frustrations=20to=20the=20webmaster=20of=20the=20school=
's=20web=20
site.

=20As=20for=20the=20cd=20for=20the=20textbook=20or=20other=20materials=20th=
at=20you=20are=20
using=20what
=20format=20is=20it=20in?=20as=20for=20all=20of=20the=20it=20books=20try=20=
to=20get=20them=20in=20a
=20accessible
=20format=20on=20your=20own=20or=20get=20the=20dss=20office=20to=20assist=20=
you?=20When=20I=20
began=20at=20my
=20community=20college=20this=20happened=20to=20me=20and,=20I=20had=20to=20=
scan=20my=20
books=20on=20my
=20own
=20or=20have=20a=20reader=20or=20a=20family=20member=20be=20my=20reader=20f=
or=20me.

=20Besides=20rfbd=20there's=20other=20resources=20like=20bookshare=20or=20n=
ls=20to=20
name=20a=20few.

=20So,=20there=20are=20many=20resources=20and=20ideas=20that=20I=20have=20g=
iven=20to=20you.=20=20
I=20hope
=20that
=20you=20can=20use=20them=20to=20your=20advantage.=20=20Take=20care=20and=20=
good=20luck!




=20Hugs,
=20amy

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org=20
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On
=20Behalf
=20Of=20Ashley=20Bramlett
=20Sent:=20Friday,=20January=2020,=202012=2012:14=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accomodating

=20Hi=20all,

=20Just=20want=20to=20vent.=20=20My=20school=20doesn=92t=20seem=20very=20ac=
comodating=20and=20
they=92re
=20the
=20largest=20community=20college=20in=20the=20commonwealth.=20=20Yo=20They=
=20got=20over=20
five
=20campuses=20and=20you=20can=20read=20about=20at=20www.nvcc.edu.

=20I=92m=20just=20taking=20further=20classes=20to=20get=20a=20writing=20cer=
tificate=20and=20
figured
=20extra=20knowledge=20will=20enhance=20my=20resume=20as=20I=20look=20for=20=
work.=20=20No=20
one=92s=20hiring
=20so=20it=20will=20be=20a=20whwile;=20might=20as=20well=20learn=20more.

=20First,=20my=20disability=20service=20office,=20DSO,=20does=20not=20scan=
=20any=20
texts.=20=20I=20am
=20still=20waiting=20for=20electronic=20text;=20fortunately,=20a=20family=20=
member=20
can=20read
=20meanwhile=20til=20I=20find=20a=20reader=20at=20school.=20=20If=20the=20p=
ublisher=20won=92t=20
give=20us
=20the
=20e-book,=20they=20likely=20never=20will;=20I=20mean=20its=20been=20two=20=
weeks!

=20Second,=20I=20am=20taking=20that=20It=20class=20as=20I=20mentioned=20bef=
ore.=20=20The=20
instructor
=20wanted=20jaws=20installed=20in=20her=20office=20because=20she=20needs=20=
to=20show=20me=20
the
=20steps.
=20Hmm.=20=20Maybe=20I=20need=20a=20laptop.=20=20But=20I=20hate=20the=20ide=
a=20of=20lugging=20the=20
thing
=20around!
=20They=20tell=20us=20they=20don=92t=20have=20enough=20licenses;=20um=20how=
=20absurd.=20=20
They=20need
=20lots
=20of=20them.=20=20what=20if=20another=20blind=20student=20needs=20jaws=20i=
n=20a=20
classroom=20lab?

=20Third,=20they=20cannot=20braille=20tests;=20at=20least=20they=20will=20o=
utsource=20
to=20get=20it
=20brailled=20though;=20just=20seems=20like=20a=20large=20school=20would=20=
be=20able=20to=20
braille
=20tests!

=20Fourth,=20this=20new=20building=20which=20holds=20the=20student=20servic=
e=20stuff=20
and
=20counseling=20center=20is=20very=20open=20few=20halls,=20few=20landmarks.=
=20=20I=20bet=20
its=20not=20ADA
=20compliant.=20=20I=20don=92t=20know=20though.=20=20Its=20certainly=20conf=
using=20for=20a=20
blind
=20traveler.=20=20Sighted=20people=20get=20lost=20until=20they=92ve=20been=
=20there=20a=20
lot=20since=20its
=20not=20laid=20out=20well.

=20Not=20to=20mention=20the=20inaccessible=20website=20and=20CD=20for=20the=
=20IT=20class=20
too.
=20Publishers=20need=20to=20get=20with=20the=20program!

=20Ashley
=20_______________________________________________
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=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 22:00:12 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:00:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
Message-ID: <4f1dd8a2.2520340a.5514.72c1@mx.google.com>

Hi=20Joshua,

Don't=20worry=20about=20sending=20her=20the=20Web=20site=20link;=20I=20alre=
ady=20sent=20
it=20to=20the=20list.

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20<jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2022=20Jan=202012=2017:04:08=20-0600
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accommodating

I'm=20not=20using=20it=20yet,=20and=20haven't=20downloaded=20it.
I=20will,=20when=20I=20get=20my=20new=20Dell,=20(and=20trade=20this=20piece=
=20of=20trash,)=20
(Acer,)=20in!
I'll=20E-mail=20you=20off=20list,=20with=20the=20Website.
Blessings,=20Joshua

On=201/22/12,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>=20wrote:
=20good=20idea;=20does=20nvda=20sound=20like=20jaws=20and=20where=20is=20th=
e=20website?

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Joshua=20Lester
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=205:53=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accommodating

=20Ashley:
=20Why=20not=20ask=20them=20to=20go=20to=20NVDA's=20Website,=20and=20downlo=
ad=20it=20on=20
every=20computer?
=20They=20don't=20need=20licenses,=20with=20NVDA.
=20Blessings,=20Joshua

=20On=201/22/12,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>=20wrote:=

=20Amy,
=20I=20am=20pretty=20sure=20I=20will=20get=20a=20laptop;=20I'll=20share=20i=
t=20with=20my=20dad=20
though.
=20They
=20can=20get=20expensive,=20so=20its=20best=20if=20more=20than=20one=20pers=
on=20use=20it.
=20As=20for=20mobility,=20I=20did=20receive=20an=20orientation=20by=20a=20m=
obility=20
instructor.
=20Also,=20my=20parents=20helped=20me=20out.=20=20But=20its=20just=20that=20=
the=20new=20
student=20union
=20building=20with=20the=20bookstore,=20student=20caf=E9=20and=20more=20in=
=20it=20is=20laid=20
out
=20weird;
=20its=20not=20a=20=20particular=20shape;=20just=20a=20lot=20of=20open=20sp=
ace.=20=20I'll=20do=20
the=20best=20I
=20can=20with=20it=20though.=20=20The=20counseling=20center=20is=20in=20a=20=
corner=20so=20it=20
shouldn't
=20be
=20too=20hard=20to=20find.

=20I'm=20looking=20for=20readers=20as=20well.=20=20So=20looks=20like=20I'll=
=20have=20to=20
make=20my=20own
=20accomodations.=20=20However,=20I=20still=20will=20plan=20to=20speak=20to=
=20whomever=20
purchased
=20jaws;=20someone=20in=20the=20office=20of=20the=20vice=20president.=20=20=
I=20find=20it=20
rediculous
=20they
=20don't=20have=20enough=20licenses;=20I'm=20not=20going=20to=20be=20the=20=
last=20legally=20
blind
=20student=20there.

=20Another=20drawback=20to=20just=20using=20my=20own=20equipment=20is=20tha=
t=20there=20is=20
learning
=20software=20and=20databases=20in=20the=20tutoring=20center=20and=20career=
=20center.=20=20
If=20I=20use
=20my
=20own=20equipment,=20those=20programs=20are=20not=20on=20it.
=20I'm=20sure=20if=20I=20request=20jaws=20in=20the=20career=20center,=20I=20=
will=20get=20the=20
same=20story
=20about=20licenses.=20=20groan.

=20Ashley
=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Amy=20Sabo
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=2012:21=20AM
=20To:=20'National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list'
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accommodating

=20Dear=20Ashley,
=20I'm=20sorry=20that=20you=20are=20having=20difficulties=20with=20your=20s=
ituations=20
and
=20problems
=20at=20a=20community=20college.=20=20I=20too=20had=20some=20of=20these=20s=
ame=20problems=20
myself=20when
=20I
=20began=20my=20college=20experience=20way=20back=20in=202000=20where=20I=20=
began=20at=20a=20
community
=20college=20in=20Michigan.=20=20And,=20here's=20what=20I=20had=20to=20do=20=
in=20dealing=20
with=20all=20of
=20these=20problems=20relating=20to=20yours.

=20As=20to=20the=20mobility=20situation=20on=20your=20campus=20I=20didn't=20=
have=20any=20o=20
and=20m
=20training=20even=20though=20I=20had=20asked=20the=20mi=20commission=20for=
=20some=20I=20
didn't
=20receive
=20any=20at=20all.=20=20So,=20what=20I=20did=20was=20try=20to=20learn=20as=
=20much=20on=20my=20own=20
by=20asking
=20many
=20questions=20and,=20also=20asking=20other=20students=20for=20sighted=20as=
sistance=20
and,=20then

=20I
=20knew=20where=20to=20go.=20=20I=20also=20had=20my=20parents=20or=20a=20si=
ghted=20friend=20who=20
was=20in=20one
=20of=20my=20classes=20show=20me=20around=20the=20campus.=20=20So,=20those=
=20are=202=20ideas=20
on=20getting
=20around=20your=20community=20college=20independtally.=20=20As=20for=20you=
r=20it=20
class=20I=20would
=20get=20a=20laptop.=20=20I=20had=20a=20voicenote=20when=20I=20was=20at=20m=
y=20community=20
college=20which
=20was
=20helpful=20but,=20it=20didn't=20do=20everything=20that=20I=20needed=20for=
=20my=20
classes=20so,=20a
=20laptop=20is=20sooo=20much=20beneficial=20in=20working=20on=20the=20job=20=
and,=20also=20
for
=20college.
=20And,=20you=20can=20have=20your=20own=20copy=20of=20jfw=20on=20it=20and,=
=20you=20don't=20have=20
to=20rely
=20on
=20the=20dss=20office=20or=20the=20school's=20version=20or=20wait=20for=20t=
heir=20
licenses=20of=20it
=20for
=20the=20keys.=20=20You=20said=20that=20you=20don't=20want=20to=20lug=20a=20=
large=20laptop=20
around=20campus
=20well,=20I=20used=20a=20roller=20bag=20for=20it=20and,=20it=20worked=20ou=
t=20fine=20or=20put=20
it=20in=20a
=20laptop=20bag=20for=20a=20backpack=20or=20messenger=20bag=20which=20is=20=
available=20
for=20purchase
=20all=20major=20stores.=20=20Or,=20you=20can=20purchase=20a=20netbook=20wh=
ich=20is=20
smaller=20than=20a
=20laptop=20and,=20it=20works=20great=20with=20jfw.=20=20My=20sister=20has=
=20one=20as=20a=20
matter=20of=20fact
=20it's=20her=20second=20one=20to=20be=20certain=20of=20that!

=20As=20for=20the=20school's=20web=20site=20not=20being=20accessible=20with=
=20jfw=20have=20
you
=20advised
=20the=20dss=20office=20of=20this?=20If=20yes=20or=20no=20then=20send=20a=20=
friendly=20email=20
of=20your
=20concerns=20and=20frustrations=20to=20the=20webmaster=20of=20the=20school=
's=20web=20
site.

=20As=20for=20the=20cd=20for=20the=20textbook=20or=20other=20materials=20th=
at=20you=20are=20
using=20what
=20format=20is=20it=20in?=20as=20for=20all=20of=20the=20it=20books=20try=20=
to=20get=20them=20in=20a
=20accessible
=20format=20on=20your=20own=20or=20get=20the=20dss=20office=20to=20assist=20=
you?=20When=20I=20
began=20at=20my
=20community=20college=20this=20happened=20to=20me=20and,=20I=20had=20to=20=
scan=20my=20
books=20on=20my
=20own
=20or=20have=20a=20reader=20or=20a=20family=20member=20be=20my=20reader=20f=
or=20me.

=20Besides=20rfbd=20there's=20other=20resources=20like=20bookshare=20or=20n=
ls=20to=20
name=20a=20few.

=20So,=20there=20are=20many=20resources=20and=20ideas=20that=20I=20have=20g=
iven=20to=20you.=20=20
I=20hope
=20that
=20you=20can=20use=20them=20to=20your=20advantage.=20=20Take=20care=20and=20=
good=20luck!




=20Hugs,
=20amy

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org=20
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On
=20Behalf
=20Of=20Ashley=20Bramlett
=20Sent:=20Friday,=20January=2020,=202012=2012:14=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20school=20is=20not=20accomodating

=20Hi=20all,

=20Just=20want=20to=20vent.=20=20My=20school=20doesn=92t=20seem=20very=20ac=
comodating=20and=20
they=92re
=20the
=20largest=20community=20college=20in=20the=20commonwealth.=20=20Yo=20They=
=20got=20over=20
five
=20campuses=20and=20you=20can=20read=20about=20at=20www.nvcc.edu.

=20I=92m=20just=20taking=20further=20classes=20to=20get=20a=20writing=20cer=
tificate=20and=20
figured
=20extra=20knowledge=20will=20enhance=20my=20resume=20as=20I=20look=20for=20=
work.=20=20No=20
one=92s=20hiring
=20so=20it=20will=20be=20a=20whwile;=20might=20as=20well=20learn=20more.

=20First,=20my=20disability=20service=20office,=20DSO,=20does=20not=20scan=
=20any=20
texts.=20=20I=20am
=20still=20waiting=20for=20electronic=20text;=20fortunately,=20a=20family=20=
member=20
can=20read
=20meanwhile=20til=20I=20find=20a=20reader=20at=20school.=20=20If=20the=20p=
ublisher=20won=92t=20
give=20us
=20the
=20e-book,=20they=20likely=20never=20will;=20I=20mean=20its=20been=20two=20=
weeks!

=20Second,=20I=20am=20taking=20that=20It=20class=20as=20I=20mentioned=20bef=
ore.=20=20The=20
instructor
=20wanted=20jaws=20installed=20in=20her=20office=20because=20she=20needs=20=
to=20show=20me=20
the
=20steps.
=20Hmm.=20=20Maybe=20I=20need=20a=20laptop.=20=20But=20I=20hate=20the=20ide=
a=20of=20lugging=20the=20
thing
=20around!
=20They=20tell=20us=20they=20don=92t=20have=20enough=20licenses;=20um=20how=
=20absurd.=20=20
They=20need
=20lots
=20of=20them.=20=20what=20if=20another=20blind=20student=20needs=20jaws=20i=
n=20a=20
classroom=20lab?

=20Third,=20they=20cannot=20braille=20tests;=20at=20least=20they=20will=20o=
utsource=20
to=20get=20it
=20brailled=20though;=20just=20seems=20like=20a=20large=20school=20would=20=
be=20able=20to=20
braille
=20tests!

=20Fourth,=20this=20new=20building=20which=20holds=20the=20student=20servic=
e=20stuff=20
and
=20counseling=20center=20is=20very=20open=20few=20halls,=20few=20landmarks.=
=20=20I=20bet=20
its=20not=20ADA
=20compliant.=20=20I=20don=92t=20know=20though.=20=20Its=20certainly=20conf=
using=20for=20a=20
blind
=20traveler.=20=20Sighted=20people=20get=20lost=20until=20they=92ve=20been=
=20there=20a=20
lot=20since=20its
=20not=20laid=20out=20well.

=20Not=20to=20mention=20the=20inaccessible=20website=20and=20CD=20for=20the=
=20IT=20class=20
too.
=20Publishers=20need=20to=20get=20with=20the=20program!

=20Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 22:00:14 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:00:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
Message-ID: <4f1dd8a4.2520340a.5514.72c3@mx.google.com>

Hi=20Ashley,

I=20don't=20know=20about=20Publisher,=20but=20Excel=20is=20still=20accessib=
le.=20=20I=20
have=20some=20resource=20sheets=20for=20using=20Excel=20with=20JAWS;=20if=20=
you=20want=20
them,=20please=20let=20me=20know=20and=20I=20will=20send=20them=20to=20you=
=20off-list.

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2022=20Jan=202012=2018:08:21=20-0500
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

Hi=20all,

Seems=20like=20the=20office=20suite=20is=20less=20user=20friendly=20with=20=
the=20new=20
ribbons.=20=20Occasionally=20I=20find=20a=20button=20unlabeled.
Anyway,=20is=20access=20and=20Publisher=20accessible=20at=20all?=20I=E2=80=
=99d=20like=20to=20
create=20simple=20charts=20with=20publisher=20and=20maybe=20brochures=20if=
=20I=20
volunteer=20for=20pr=20somewhere.
Is=20excell=20still=20accessible?
I=E2=80=99ll=20need=20the=20access=20database=20for=20work=20probably.

Ashley
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 22:21:08 2012
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:21:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
In-Reply-To: <4f1dd8a0.2520340a.5514.72c0@mx.google.com>
References: <4f1dd8a0.2520340a.5514.72c0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C794813026CB4D0D949D78C9CCA16571@HUMBERTOAVILA>

Hello Chris, where did you get the eloquence voices for NVDA? I ask this =
as
they eloquence synth does not come with NVDA by default  and since it is
just a commercially available synthesizer, I would have to purchase it. =
But
is there a free version of it?=20
My JAWS license for my home computer has been killed by due to a =
computer
crash and later reformat. So I don't have a full JAWS license, and =
instead
of wasting about 45 seconds for each restart of my computer every 40
minutes, I would like a better speech sound for my NVDA backup.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:00 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

It uses a different synthesizer, called eSpeak as default, but=20
you can get Eloquence versions for it.  I personally don't like=20
eSpeak, so use either Eloquence or DecTalk for NVDA.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The=20
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that=20
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and=20
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical=20
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:59:18 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Ashley:
Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on=20
every computer?
They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Amy,
 I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad=20
though.
 They
 can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
 As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility=20
instructor.
 Also, my parents helped me out.  But its just that the new=20
student union
 building with the bookstore, student caf?and more in it is laid=20
out
 weird;
 its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space.  I'll do=20
the best I
 can with it though.  The counseling center is in a corner so it=20
shouldn't
 be
 too hard to find.

 I'm looking for readers as well.  So looks like I'll have to=20
make my own
 accomodations.  However, I still will plan to speak to whomever=20
purchased
 jaws; someone in the office of the vice president.  I find it=20
rediculous
 they
 don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally=20
blind
 student there.

 Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is=20
learning
 software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. =20
If I use
 my
 own equipment, those programs are not on it.
 I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the=20
same story
 about licenses.  groan.

 Ashley
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Amy Sabo
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

 Dear Ashley,
 I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations=20
and
 problems
 at a community college.  I too had some of these same problems=20
myself when
 I
 began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a=20
community
 college in Michigan.  And, here's what I had to do in dealing=20
with all of
 these problems relating to yours.

 As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o=20
and m
 training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I=20
didn't
 receive
 any at all.  So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own=20
by asking
 many
 questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance=20
and, then
 I
 knew where to go.  I also had my parents or a sighted friend who=20
was in one
 of my classes show me around the campus.  So, those are 2 ideas=20
on getting
 around your community college independtally.  As for your it=20
class I would
 get a laptop.  I had a voicenote when I was at my community=20
college which
 was
 helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my=20
classes so, a
 laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also=20
for
 college.
 And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have=20
to rely
 on
 the dss office or the school's version or wait for their=20
licenses of it
 for
 the keys.  You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop=20
around campus
 well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put=20
it in a
 laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available=20
for purchase
 all major stores.  Or, you can purchase a netbook which is=20
smaller than a
 laptop and, it works great with jfw.  My sister has one as a=20
matter of fact
 it's her second one to be certain of that!

 As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have=20
you
 advised
 the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email=20
of your
 concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web=20
site.

 As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are=20
using what
 format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
 accessible
 format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I=20
began at my
 community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my=20
books on my
 own
 or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.

 Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to=20
name a few.

 So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. =20
I hope
 that
 you can use them to your advantage.  Take care and good luck!




 Hugs,
 amy

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org=20
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf
 Of Ashley Bramlett
 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

 Hi all,

 Just want to vent.  My school doesn=92t seem very accomodating and=20
they=92re
 the
 largest community college in the commonwealth.  Yo They got over=20
five
 campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.

 I=92m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and=20
figured
 extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work.  No=20
one=92s hiring
 so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.

 First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any=20
texts.  I am
 still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member=20
can read
 meanwhile til I find a reader at school.  If the publisher won=92t=20
give us
 the
 e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!

 Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before.  The=20
instructor
 wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me=20
the
 steps.
 Hmm.  Maybe I need a laptop.  But I hate the idea of lugging the=20
thing
 around!
 They tell us they don=92t have enough licenses; um how absurd. =20
They need
 lots
 of them.  what if another blind student needs jaws in a=20
classroom lab?

 Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource=20
to get it
 brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to=20
braille
 tests!

 Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff=20
and
 counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks.  I bet=20
its not ADA
 compliant.  I don=92t know though.  Its certainly confusing for a=20
blind
 traveler.  Sighted people get lost until they=92ve been there a=20
lot since its
 not laid out well.

 Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class=20
too.
 Publishers need to get with the program!

 Ashley
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From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 22:26:35 2012
From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:26:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
References: <4f1dd8a4.2520340a.5514.72c3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <99A80BFF92EB4BB3BC7F49C594BC0F69@klhurstl1>

I'd be interested in the excell sheets as well please.
keri

"Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to 
say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak 
my heart."
--Robert Sexton

"For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there 
is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to 
receive it."
--Ivan Panin

Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it 
back together; Replacing it with a piece of his.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Hi Ashley,

I don't know about Publisher, but Excel is still accessible.  I
have some resource sheets for using Excel with JAWS; if you want
them, please let me know and I will send them to you off-list.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:08:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Hi all,

Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
ribbons.  Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I?�d like to
create simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I
volunteer for pr somewhere.
Is excell still accessible?
I?�ll need the access database for work probably.

Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 22:31:39 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:31:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
In-Reply-To: <4f1dd8a0.2520340a.5514.72c0@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <8DBC8F206F47403FB16C49711903112D@OwnerPC>

but is eloquence free? I find dec talk hard to understand. Don't know about 
the default synthesizer you speak of.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:00 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

It uses a different synthesizer, called eSpeak as default, but
you can get Eloquence versions for it.  I personally don't like
eSpeak, so use either Eloquence or DecTalk for NVDA.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:59:18 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Ashley:
Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on
every computer?
They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Amy,
I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad
though.
They
can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility
instructor.
Also, my parents helped me out.  But its just that the new
student union
building with the bookstore, student caf?and more in it is laid
out
weird;
its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space.  I'll do
the best I
can with it though.  The counseling center is in a corner so it
shouldn't
be
too hard to find.

I'm looking for readers as well.  So looks like I'll have to
make my own
accomodations.  However, I still will plan to speak to whomever
purchased
jaws; someone in the office of the vice president.  I find it
rediculous
they
don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally
blind
student there.

Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is
learning
software and databases in the tutoring center and career center.
If I use
my
own equipment, those programs are not on it.
I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the
same story
about licenses.  groan.

Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Sabo
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Dear Ashley,
I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations
and
problems
at a community college.  I too had some of these same problems
myself when
I
began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a
community
college in Michigan.  And, here's what I had to do in dealing
with all of
these problems relating to yours.

As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o
and m
training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I
didn't
receive
any at all.  So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own
by asking
many
questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance
and, then
I
knew where to go.  I also had my parents or a sighted friend who
was in one
of my classes show me around the campus.  So, those are 2 ideas
on getting
around your community college independtally.  As for your it
class I would
get a laptop.  I had a voicenote when I was at my community
college which
was
helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my
classes so, a
laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also
for
college.
And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have
to rely
on
the dss office or the school's version or wait for their
licenses of it
for
the keys.  You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop
around campus
well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put
it in a
laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available
for purchase
all major stores.  Or, you can purchase a netbook which is
smaller than a
laptop and, it works great with jfw.  My sister has one as a
matter of fact
it's her second one to be certain of that!

As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have
you
advised
the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email
of your
concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web
site.

As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are
using what
format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
accessible
format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I
began at my
community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my
books on my
own
or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.

Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to
name a few.

So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you.
I hope
that
you can use them to your advantage.  Take care and good luck!




Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

Hi all,

Just want to vent.  My school doesn�t seem very accomodating and
they�re
the
largest community college in the commonwealth.  Yo They got over
five
campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.

I�m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
figured
extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work.  No
one�s hiring
so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.

First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any
texts.  I am
still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member
can read
meanwhile til I find a reader at school.  If the publisher won�t
give us
the
e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!

Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before.  The
instructor
wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me
the
steps.
Hmm.  Maybe I need a laptop.  But I hate the idea of lugging the
thing
around!
They tell us they don�t have enough licenses; um how absurd.
They need
lots
of them.  what if another blind student needs jaws in a
classroom lab?

Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource
to get it
brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
braille
tests!

Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff
and
counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks.  I bet
its not ADA
compliant.  I don�t know though.  Its certainly confusing for a
blind
traveler.  Sighted people get lost until they�ve been there a
lot since its
not laid out well.

Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class
too.
Publishers need to get with the program!

Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 22:34:42 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:34:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
In-Reply-To: <4f1dd8a4.2520340a.5514.72c3@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <BA3DF5AC2C6E459C9D978C41AAEFE958@OwnerPC>

Chris,
Sure, I'd like the resource sheets; I'm using excell 2010.
I also need to use excell for class.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:00 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Hi Ashley,

I don't know about Publisher, but Excel is still accessible.  I
have some resource sheets for using Excel with JAWS; if you want
them, please let me know and I will send them to you off-list.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:08:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Hi all,

Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
ribbons.  Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I?�d like to
create simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I
volunteer for pr somewhere.
Is excell still accessible?
I?�ll need the access database for work probably.

Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 22:41:24 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:41:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
Message-ID: <4f1de24a.5121e00a.7716.ffff965b@mx.google.com>

Didn't=20we=20have=20a=20Microsoft=20person=20who=20spoke=20at=20the=20nati=
onal=20
convention=20last=20year?=20Or=20was=20that=20another=20year?

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20David=20Dodge=20<daviddod at buffalo.edu
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2022=20Jan=202012=2021:32:48=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

Here=20is=20the=20contact=20us=20link=20on=20Microsoft's=20website:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=3Dmscom=20.=20=20If=20anyone=20
does=20have=20a
contact=20at=20Microsoft=20that=20would,=20however,=20be=20best.

David
----------------------------------
David=20Dodge
Doctoral=20Degree=20Granting=20Institutions=20Rep.
State=20University=20of=20New=20York=20Student=20Assembly
English=20Major
University=20at=20Buffalo
306=20Clemens=20Hall
Buffalo,=20NY=2014260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On=20Sun,=20Jan=2022,=202012=20at=209:25=20PM,=20Ashley=20Bramlett
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:

=20David,
=20I=20really=20agree!=202003=20with=20its=20menus=20was=20more=20accessibl=
e.=20=202007=20
wasn't=20too
=20bad=20from=20what=20I=20heard.=20=20I=20did=20not=20try=20it=20though.=20=
=20I=20have=202010=20
and=20feel=20its
=20less=20accessible.=20=20As=20someone=20already=20said,=20access=20is=20n=
ot=20
accessible=20and=20in
=202007=20it=20was.=20=20Microsoft=20just=20had=20to=20change=20things;=20g=
o=20figure.
=20Does=20anyone=20have=20a=20point=20of=20contact=20for=20them=20in=20the=
=20
accessibility
=20department=20or=20whomever=20handels=20access=20issues=20there.

=20Ashley

=20-----Original=20Message-----=20From:=20David=20Dodge
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=209:12=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

=20Microsoft=20programs=20appear=20to=20me=20to=20be=20getting=20less=20and=
=20less=20
accessible=20as
=20time=20goes=20on.

=20If=20you=20are=20having=20accessibility=20issues=20with=20these=20produc=
ts=20I=20
recommend
=20contacting=20Microsoft=20from=20their=20website.=20=20It=20is=20unlikely=
=20that=20
they=20will=20take
=20the=20feedback=20into=20consideration,=20but=20still.

=202003=20and=202007=20or=20certainly=20more=20accessible=20than=202010.



=20David
=20------------------------------**----
=20David=20Dodge
=20Doctoral=20Degree=20Granting=20Institutions=20Rep.
=20State=20University=20of=20New=20York=20Student=20Assembly
=20English=20Major
=20University=20at=20Buffalo
=20306=20Clemens=20Hall
=20Buffalo,=20NY=2014260
=20daviddod at buffalo.edu


=20On=20Sun,=20Jan=2022,=202012=20at=209:08=20PM,=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcol=
ini=20at=20Home=20<
=20ntorcolini at wavecable.com>=20wrote:

=20=20As=20far=20as=20my=20experience,=20there=20is=20no=20advantage=20to=20=
using=202007=20or=20
2010,
=20especially=20if=20you=20find=202003.=20=20Files=20created=20using=202007=
=20and=202010=20
can=20still
=20be
=20read=20and=20edited=20using=202003.=20=20I=20will=20leave=20it=20up=20to=
=20you,=20but=20my
=20recommendation=20is=20to=20use=20Office=202003.=20=20There=20are=20ways=
=20to=20have=20
both,=20but
=20they
=20are=20not=20easy=20or=20convenient.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<
=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=
=20<
=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=204:56=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20its=20my=20computer.=20=20Gee=20would=20be=20nice=20to=20have=20both=20v=
ersions

=20-----Original=20Message-----=20From:=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20=
Home
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=207:46=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

=20No,=20you=20cannot.=20=20Is=20this=20your=20computer?=20If=20so,=20I=20w=
ould=20strongly=20
recommend
=20just=20uninstalling=20the=20current=20version=20of=20Office=20and=20inst=
alling=20
Office
=202003.
=20If=20it=20is=20not=20your=20computer,=20then=20maybe=20you=20could=20tal=
k=20to=20someone=20
who=20has
=20the
=20authority=20to=20do=20it=20and=20explain=20that=20it=20would=20make=20th=
ings=20a=20
million=20times
=20easier.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<
=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=204:18=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20Nicole,
=20I=20think=20I=20have=20an=20old=20cd=20with=20office=202003=20around.=20=
=20Do=20you=20know=20
if=20I=20can
=20have
=20them=20concurrently=20on=20the=20computer?
=20It=20just=20would=20be=20nice=20to=20have=20both=20options;=20so=20if=20=
I=20cannot=20
figure=20out
=20where
=20something=20is=20in=20the=20ribbons,=20I=20can=20go=20back=20to=20the=20=
nice,=20simple=20
menus=20of
=202003.

=20-----Original=20Message-----=20From:=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20=
Home
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=207:10=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

=20Yes.=20=20The=20excerpt=20is=20from=20the=20"What's=20New=20in=20JAWS=20=
12.0"=20section.=20=20
I=20do=20not
=20have=20Office=202007=20or=202010,=20so=20I=20unfortunately=20cannot=20te=
ll=20you=20how=20
well=20it
=20works,=20but=20it=20is=20probably=20better=20than=20nothing.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Arielle=20Silverman"=20<
=20arielle71 at gmail.com
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=204:00=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20Does=20JAWS=2012=20have=20this?
=20Arielle

=20On=201/22/12,=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home=20
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com>=20wrote:

=20=20Do=20you=20know=20how=20to=20use=20the=20quick=20settings=20in=20JAWS=
?=20Copied=20from=20
the=20JAWS
=2013
=20help:

=20Virtual=20Ribbon=20Menu
=20The=20Ribbon=20is=20a=20new=20style=20of=20menu=20available=20in=20many=
=20new=20
applications
=20being
=20released=20today.=20=20Ribbons=20first=20appeared=20in=20Office=202007=20=
programs,=20
but=20are
=20now
=20becoming=20more=20common=20in=20other=20applications=20tailored=20for=20=
the=20
Windows=207
=20operating=20system.=20=20Ribbons=20create=20an=20accessibility=20challen=
ge=20due=20
to
=20inconsistent=20navigation=20between=20various=20groups=20and=20items.=20=
=20For=20
example,
=20when
=20you=20enter=20the=20Lower=20Ribbon=20and=20press=20the=20ARROW=20keys=20=
to=20move=20
between=20items
=20in
=20a=20group,=20you=20can=20skip=20items=20and=20unexpectedly=20move=20into=
=20another=20
group.
=20Pressing=20TAB=20gives=20no=20indication=20that=20you=20have=20left=20on=
e=20group=20
and=20entered
=20another.=20=20Using=20first=20letter=20navigation=20to=20find=20items=20=
can=20be=20
difficult=20and
=20frustrating.=20=20Finally,=20because=20of=20a=20group=92s=20layout,=20yo=
u=20do=20not=20
know=20if=20you
=20should=20navigate=20up,=20down,=20left,=20or=20right=20to=20select=20an=
=20item.

=20The=20new=20Virtual=20Ribbon=20Menu=20provides=20predictable=20navigatio=
n,=20
lets=20you=20see
=20everything=20in=20the=20Ribbon,=20and=20offers=20consistency=20when=20na=
vigating=20
with
=20ARROW
=20keys.=20=20For=20example,=20the=20ARROW=20and=20TAB=20keys=20move=20focu=
s=20from=20the=20
Upper
=20Ribbon
=20tabs=20to=20the=20Lower=20Ribbon=20groups.=20=20Once=20in=20a=20group,=20=
the=20ARROW,=20
TAB,=20and
=20SHIFT+TAB=20keys=20move=20through=20all=20items=20in=20a=20group,=20move=
=20from=20one=20
group=20to
=20the
=20next,=20and=20wrap=20to=20the=20beginning=20of=20the=20Ribbon.=20=20For=
=20submenus,=20
SPACEBAR=20and
=20ENTER=20expand=20menus,=20and=20ESCAPE=20collapses=20menus.=20=20The=20V=
irtual=20
Ribbon=20Menu
=20is
=20off=20by=20default=20and=20can=20be=20switched=20on=20or=20off=20from=20=
within=20
Settings=20Center
=20or
=20the=20JAWS=20Startup=20Wizard.=20=20When=20it=20is=20on,=20the=20Ribbon=
=20is=20navigated=20
using=20a
=20traditional=20menu=20and=20submenu=20format=20familiar=20to=20most=20JAW=
S=20users.


=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=203:30=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20=20jaws=2013



=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=206:23=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

=20What=20version=20of=20JAWS=20are=20you=20using?

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=203:08=20PM
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20=20Hi=20all,


=20Seems=20like=20the=20office=20suite=20is=20less=20user=20friendly=20with=
=20the=20new=20
ribbons.
=20Occasionally=20I=20find=20a=20button=20unlabeled.
=20Anyway,=20is=20access=20and=20Publisher=20accessible=20at=20all?=20I=92d=
=20like=20to=20
create
=20simple=20charts=20with=20publisher=20and=20maybe=20brochures=20if=20I=20=
volunteer=20
for=20pr
=20somewhere.
=20Is=20excell=20still=20accessible?
=20I=92ll=20need=20the=20access=20database=20for=20work=20probably.

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 22:41:26 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:41:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
Message-ID: <4f1de24c.5121e00a.7716.ffff965d@mx.google.com>

Don't those ribbons just look like a standard context menu?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:16:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Rania,
I had 2003 until my last computer crashed.  I liked it.  Frankly, 
most sighted
people do too.  I don't know why microsoft office did away with 
menus, but it
was not a good decission.  Everyone tells me they have to look 
for the
options since they're moved around, no longer in menus.  Pretty 
soon though,
so many new features will be around that 2003 won't be practical.  
But til
then, enjoy it; you'll have it till your computer breaks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rania Ismail CMT
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:19 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

I'm glad I stuck with 2003!
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less 
accessible as
time goes on.

If you are having accessibility issues with these products I 
recommend
contacting Microsoft from their website.  It is unlikely that 
they will take
the feedback into consideration, but still.

2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.


David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home <
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

 As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 
2010,
 especially if you find 2003.  Files created using 2007 and 2010 
can still
be
 read and edited using 2003.  I will leave it up to you, but my
 recommendation is to use Office 2003.  There are ways to have 
both, but
they
 are not easy or convenient.

 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
 bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
 nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


 its my computer.  Gee would be nice to have both versions

 -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

 No, you cannot.  Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly 
recommend
 just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing 
Office
2003.
 If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone 
who has
 the
 authority to do it and explain that it would make things a 
million times
 easier.

 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
 bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


 Nicole,
 I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around.  Do you know 
if I can
have
 them concurrently on the computer?
 It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot 
figure out
where
 something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple 
menus of
 2003.

 -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

 Yes.  The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section.  
I do not
 have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how 
well it
 works, but it is probably better than nothing.

 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
 arielle71 at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


 Does JAWS 12 have this?
 Arielle

 On 1/22/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

 Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from 
the JAWS
13
 help:

 Virtual Ribbon Menu
 The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new 
applications
being
 released today.  Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, 
but are
 now
 becoming more common in other applications tailored for the 
Windows 7
 operating system.  Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due 
to
 inconsistent navigation between various groups and items.  For 
example,
 when
 you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move 
between items
 in
 a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another 
group.
 Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group 
and entered
 another.  Using first letter navigation to find items can be 
difficult and
 frustrating.  Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not 
know if you
 should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.

 The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, 
lets you see
 everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating 
with
 ARROW
 keys.  For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the 
Upper
Ribbon
 tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups.  Once in a group, the ARROW, 
TAB, and
 SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one 
group to
 the
 next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon.  For submenus, 
SPACEBAR and
 ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus.  The Virtual 
Ribbon Menu
is
 off by default and can be switched on or off from within 
Settings Center
 or
 the JAWS Startup Wizard.  When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated 
using a
 traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


  jaws 13


 -----Original Message-----
 From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

 What version of JAWS are you using?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
 Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


  Hi all,

 Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new 
ribbons.
 Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
 Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to 
create
 simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer 
for pr
 somewhere.
 Is excell still accessible?
 I'll need the access database for work probably.

 Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 22:41:21 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:41:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
Message-ID: <4f1de246.5121e00a.7716.ffff9658@mx.google.com>

Windows=207=20can=20read=20DOC=20(the=20older=20Word=20version)=20files,=20=
and=20you=20
can=20save=20files=20you=20write=20in=20Word=202010=20as=20either=20DOCX=20=
(word=202010)=20
or=20DOC=20(Word=202003.)=20But,=20as=20far=20as=20I=20know,=20you=20can't=
=20read=20DOCX=20
with=20Word=202003.

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2022=20Jan=202012=2021:34:08=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

OOh,=20you=20can=20read=202010=20documents=20if=20you=20have=20word=202003?=
=20I=20thought=20
earlier
versions=20could=20not=20read=20new=20versions.=20=20But=20new=20versions=20=
can=20=20read=20
old=20ones.
I=20need=202010=20for=20the=20advanced=20features=20of=20it.=20=20And=20tha=
t=20is=20what=20my=20
class=20uses.

But,=20yeah=20I'll=20think=20about=20loading=20the=20old=20one=20on=20my=20=
laptop=20or=20
vice=20versa.=20=20I
could=20uninstall=20this=20new=20one=20on=20the=20desktop=20and=20put=20200=
3=20on=20it=20
and=20have=202010
on=20the=20laptop.

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home
Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=209:08=20PM
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

As=20far=20as=20my=20experience,=20there=20is=20no=20advantage=20to=20using=
=202007=20or=20
2010,
especially=20if=20you=20find=202003.=20=20Files=20created=20using=202007=20=
and=202010=20
can=20still=20be
read=20and=20edited=20using=202003.=20=20I=20will=20leave=20it=20up=20to=20=
you,=20but=20my=20
recommendation
is=20to=20use=20Office=202003.=20=20There=20are=20ways=20to=20have=20both,=
=20but=20they=20are=20
not=20easy=20or
convenient.

-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=204:56=20PM
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


its=20my=20computer.=20=20Gee=20would=20be=20nice=20to=20have=20both=20vers=
ions

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home
Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=207:46=20PM
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

No,=20you=20cannot.=20=20Is=20this=20your=20computer?=20If=20so,=20I=20woul=
d=20strongly=20
recommend
just=20uninstalling=20the=20current=20version=20of=20Office=20and=20install=
ing=20
Office=202003.
If=20it=20is=20not=20your=20computer,=20then=20maybe=20you=20could=20talk=20=
to=20someone=20
who=20has=20the
authority=20to=20do=20it=20and=20explain=20that=20it=20would=20make=20thing=
s=20a=20
million=20times
easier.

-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=204:18=20PM
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


Nicole,
I=20think=20I=20have=20an=20old=20cd=20with=20office=202003=20around.=20=20=
Do=20you=20know=20if=20
I=20can=20have
them=20concurrently=20on=20the=20computer?
It=20just=20would=20be=20nice=20to=20have=20both=20options;=20so=20if=20I=20=
cannot=20figure=20
out=20where
something=20is=20in=20the=20ribbons,=20I=20can=20go=20back=20to=20the=20nic=
e,=20simple=20
menus=20of
2003.

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home
Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=207:10=20PM
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

Yes.=20=20The=20excerpt=20is=20from=20the=20"What's=20New=20in=20JAWS=2012.=
0"=20section.=20=20
I=20do=20not
have=20Office=202007=20or=202010,=20so=20I=20unfortunately=20cannot=20tell=
=20you=20how=20
well=20it
works,=20but=20it=20is=20probably=20better=20than=20nothing.

-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Arielle=20Silverman"=20<arielle71 at gmail.com
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=204:00=20PM
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


Does=20JAWS=2012=20have=20this?
Arielle

On=201/22/12,=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home=20
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com>=20wrote:
=20Do=20you=20know=20how=20to=20use=20the=20quick=20settings=20in=20JAWS?=20=
Copied=20from=20
the=20JAWS=2013
=20help:

=20Virtual=20Ribbon=20Menu
=20The=20Ribbon=20is=20a=20new=20style=20of=20menu=20available=20in=20many=
=20new=20
applications=20being
=20released=20today.=20=20Ribbons=20first=20appeared=20in=20Office=202007=20=
programs,=20
but=20are
=20now
=20becoming=20more=20common=20in=20other=20applications=20tailored=20for=20=
the=20
Windows=207
=20operating=20system.=20=20Ribbons=20create=20an=20accessibility=20challen=
ge=20due=20
to
=20inconsistent=20navigation=20between=20various=20groups=20and=20items.=20=
=20For=20
example,
=20when
=20you=20enter=20the=20Lower=20Ribbon=20and=20press=20the=20ARROW=20keys=20=
to=20move=20
between=20items
=20in
=20a=20group,=20you=20can=20skip=20items=20and=20unexpectedly=20move=20into=
=20another=20
group.
=20Pressing=20TAB=20gives=20no=20indication=20that=20you=20have=20left=20on=
e=20group=20
and=20entered
=20another.=20=20Using=20first=20letter=20navigation=20to=20find=20items=20=
can=20be=20
difficult=20and
=20frustrating.=20=20Finally,=20because=20of=20a=20group=92s=20layout,=20yo=
u=20do=20not=20
know=20if=20you
=20should=20navigate=20up,=20down,=20left,=20or=20right=20to=20select=20an=
=20item.

=20The=20new=20Virtual=20Ribbon=20Menu=20provides=20predictable=20navigatio=
n,=20
lets=20you=20see
=20everything=20in=20the=20Ribbon,=20and=20offers=20consistency=20when=20na=
vigating=20
with
=20ARROW
=20keys.=20=20For=20example,=20the=20ARROW=20and=20TAB=20keys=20move=20focu=
s=20from=20the=20
Upper=20Ribbon
=20tabs=20to=20the=20Lower=20Ribbon=20groups.=20=20Once=20in=20a=20group,=20=
the=20ARROW,=20
TAB,=20and
=20SHIFT+TAB=20keys=20move=20through=20all=20items=20in=20a=20group,=20move=
=20from=20one=20
group=20to
=20the
=20next,=20and=20wrap=20to=20the=20beginning=20of=20the=20Ribbon.=20=20For=
=20submenus,=20
SPACEBAR=20and
=20ENTER=20expand=20menus,=20and=20ESCAPE=20collapses=20menus.=20=20The=20V=
irtual=20
Ribbon=20Menu=20is
=20off=20by=20default=20and=20can=20be=20switched=20on=20or=20off=20from=20=
within=20
Settings=20Center
=20or
=20the=20JAWS=20Startup=20Wizard.=20=20When=20it=20is=20on,=20the=20Ribbon=
=20is=20navigated=20
using=20a
=20traditional=20menu=20and=20submenu=20format=20familiar=20to=20most=20JAW=
S=20users.


=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=203:30=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20jaws=2013


=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=206:23=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

=20What=20version=20of=20JAWS=20are=20you=20using?

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=203:08=20PM
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20Hi=20all,

=20Seems=20like=20the=20office=20suite=20is=20less=20user=20friendly=20with=
=20the=20new=20
ribbons.
=20Occasionally=20I=20find=20a=20button=20unlabeled.
=20Anyway,=20is=20access=20and=20Publisher=20accessible=20at=20all?=20I=92d=
=20like=20to=20
create
=20simple=20charts=20with=20publisher=20and=20maybe=20brochures=20if=20I=20=
volunteer=20
for=20pr
=20somewhere.
=20Is=20excell=20still=20accessible?
=20I=92ll=20need=20the=20access=20database=20for=20work=20probably.

=20Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 22:41:19 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:41:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
Message-ID: <4f1de245.5121e00a.7716.ffff9656@mx.google.com>

Yes;=20I=20use=202003=20still=20at=20school=20(the=20school=20system=20hasn=
't=20
"approved"=20Windows=207=20and=20Office=202010=20yet,=20at=20least=20for=20=
students)=20
and=20I'm=20starting=20to=20find=20I=20like=20XP=20a=20little=20more,=20alt=
hough=20I=20do=20
have=20Windows=207=20at=20home=20and=20can=20access=20things=20pretty=20wel=
l=20with=20it.=20=20
The=20only=20thing=20that=20confused=20me=20was=20Outlook=202010.

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2022=20Jan=202012=2021:25:22=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

David,
I=20really=20agree!=202003=20with=20its=20menus=20was=20more=20accessible.=
=20=202007=20
wasn't=20too=20bad
from=20what=20I=20heard.=20=20I=20did=20not=20try=20it=20though.=20=20I=20h=
ave=202010=20and=20
feel=20its=20less
accessible.=20=20As=20someone=20already=20said,=20access=20is=20not=20acces=
sible=20
and=20in=202007=20it
was.=20=20Microsoft=20just=20had=20to=20change=20things;=20go=20figure.
Does=20anyone=20have=20a=20point=20of=20contact=20for=20them=20in=20the=20a=
ccessibility=20
department
or=20whomever=20handels=20access=20issues=20there.

Ashley

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20David=20Dodge
Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=209:12=20PM
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

Microsoft=20programs=20appear=20to=20me=20to=20be=20getting=20less=20and=20=
less=20
accessible=20as
time=20goes=20on.

If=20you=20are=20having=20accessibility=20issues=20with=20these=20products=
=20I=20
recommend
contacting=20Microsoft=20from=20their=20website.=20=20It=20is=20unlikely=20=
that=20
they=20will=20take
the=20feedback=20into=20consideration,=20but=20still.

2003=20and=202007=20or=20certainly=20more=20accessible=20than=202010.


David
----------------------------------
David=20Dodge
Doctoral=20Degree=20Granting=20Institutions=20Rep.
State=20University=20of=20New=20York=20Student=20Assembly
English=20Major
University=20at=20Buffalo
306=20Clemens=20Hall
Buffalo,=20NY=2014260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On=20Sun,=20Jan=2022,=202012=20at=209:08=20PM,=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=
=20at=20Home=20<
ntorcolini at wavecable.com>=20wrote:

=20As=20far=20as=20my=20experience,=20there=20is=20no=20advantage=20to=20us=
ing=202007=20or=20
2010,
=20especially=20if=20you=20find=202003.=20=20Files=20created=20using=202007=
=20and=202010=20
can=20still
=20be
=20read=20and=20edited=20using=202003.=20=20I=20will=20leave=20it=20up=20to=
=20you,=20but=20my
=20recommendation=20is=20to=20use=20Office=202003.=20=20There=20are=20ways=
=20to=20have=20
both,=20but
=20they
=20are=20not=20easy=20or=20convenient.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<
=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=
=20<
=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=204:56=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20its=20my=20computer.=20=20Gee=20would=20be=20nice=20to=20have=20both=20v=
ersions

=20-----Original=20Message-----=20From:=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20=
Home
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=207:46=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

=20No,=20you=20cannot.=20=20Is=20this=20your=20computer?=20If=20so,=20I=20w=
ould=20strongly=20
recommend
=20just=20uninstalling=20the=20current=20version=20of=20Office=20and=20inst=
alling=20
Office
=202003.
=20If=20it=20is=20not=20your=20computer,=20then=20maybe=20you=20could=20tal=
k=20to=20someone=20
who=20has
=20the
=20authority=20to=20do=20it=20and=20explain=20that=20it=20would=20make=20th=
ings=20a=20
million=20times
=20easier.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<
=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=204:18=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20Nicole,
=20I=20think=20I=20have=20an=20old=20cd=20with=20office=202003=20around.=20=
=20Do=20you=20know=20
if=20I=20can
=20have
=20them=20concurrently=20on=20the=20computer?
=20It=20just=20would=20be=20nice=20to=20have=20both=20options;=20so=20if=20=
I=20cannot=20
figure=20out
=20where
=20something=20is=20in=20the=20ribbons,=20I=20can=20go=20back=20to=20the=20=
nice,=20simple=20
menus=20of
=202003.

=20-----Original=20Message-----=20From:=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20=
Home
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=207:10=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

=20Yes.=20=20The=20excerpt=20is=20from=20the=20"What's=20New=20in=20JAWS=20=
12.0"=20section.=20=20
I=20do=20not
=20have=20Office=202007=20or=202010,=20so=20I=20unfortunately=20cannot=20te=
ll=20you=20how=20
well=20it
=20works,=20but=20it=20is=20probably=20better=20than=20nothing.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Arielle=20Silverman"=20<
=20arielle71 at gmail.com
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=204:00=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20Does=20JAWS=2012=20have=20this?
=20Arielle

=20On=201/22/12,=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home=20
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com>=20wrote:

=20Do=20you=20know=20how=20to=20use=20the=20quick=20settings=20in=20JAWS?=20=
Copied=20from=20
the=20JAWS
=2013
=20help:

=20Virtual=20Ribbon=20Menu
=20The=20Ribbon=20is=20a=20new=20style=20of=20menu=20available=20in=20many=
=20new=20
applications
=20being
=20released=20today.=20=20Ribbons=20first=20appeared=20in=20Office=202007=20=
programs,=20
but=20are
=20now
=20becoming=20more=20common=20in=20other=20applications=20tailored=20for=20=
the=20
Windows=207
=20operating=20system.=20=20Ribbons=20create=20an=20accessibility=20challen=
ge=20due=20
to
=20inconsistent=20navigation=20between=20various=20groups=20and=20items.=20=
=20For=20
example,
=20when
=20you=20enter=20the=20Lower=20Ribbon=20and=20press=20the=20ARROW=20keys=20=
to=20move=20
between=20items
=20in
=20a=20group,=20you=20can=20skip=20items=20and=20unexpectedly=20move=20into=
=20another=20
group.
=20Pressing=20TAB=20gives=20no=20indication=20that=20you=20have=20left=20on=
e=20group=20
and=20entered
=20another.=20=20Using=20first=20letter=20navigation=20to=20find=20items=20=
can=20be=20
difficult=20and
=20frustrating.=20=20Finally,=20because=20of=20a=20group=92s=20layout,=20yo=
u=20do=20not=20
know=20if=20you
=20should=20navigate=20up,=20down,=20left,=20or=20right=20to=20select=20an=
=20item.

=20The=20new=20Virtual=20Ribbon=20Menu=20provides=20predictable=20navigatio=
n,=20
lets=20you=20see
=20everything=20in=20the=20Ribbon,=20and=20offers=20consistency=20when=20na=
vigating=20
with
=20ARROW
=20keys.=20=20For=20example,=20the=20ARROW=20and=20TAB=20keys=20move=20focu=
s=20from=20the=20
Upper
=20Ribbon
=20tabs=20to=20the=20Lower=20Ribbon=20groups.=20=20Once=20in=20a=20group,=20=
the=20ARROW,=20
TAB,=20and
=20SHIFT+TAB=20keys=20move=20through=20all=20items=20in=20a=20group,=20move=
=20from=20one=20
group=20to
=20the
=20next,=20and=20wrap=20to=20the=20beginning=20of=20the=20Ribbon.=20=20For=
=20submenus,=20
SPACEBAR=20and
=20ENTER=20expand=20menus,=20and=20ESCAPE=20collapses=20menus.=20=20The=20V=
irtual=20
Ribbon=20Menu
=20is
=20off=20by=20default=20and=20can=20be=20switched=20on=20or=20off=20from=20=
within=20
Settings=20Center
=20or
=20the=20JAWS=20Startup=20Wizard.=20=20When=20it=20is=20on,=20the=20Ribbon=
=20is=20navigated=20
using=20a
=20traditional=20menu=20and=20submenu=20format=20familiar=20to=20most=20JAW=
S=20users.


=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=203:30=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20=20jaws=2013


=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=206:23=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

=20What=20version=20of=20JAWS=20are=20you=20using?

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=203:08=20PM
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20=20Hi=20all,

=20Seems=20like=20the=20office=20suite=20is=20less=20user=20friendly=20with=
=20the=20new=20
ribbons.
=20Occasionally=20I=20find=20a=20button=20unlabeled.
=20Anyway,=20is=20access=20and=20Publisher=20accessible=20at=20all?=20I=92d=
=20like=20to=20
create
=20simple=20charts=20with=20publisher=20and=20maybe=20brochures=20if=20I=20=
volunteer=20
for=20pr
=20somewhere.
=20Is=20excell=20still=20accessible?
=20I=92ll=20need=20the=20access=20database=20for=20work=20probably.

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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 22:57:41 2012
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:57:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Math courses tips and accomodations
Message-ID: <CAHEy+8Wa3BO14sPkReA-QbgZFE+ao4_hvJNS8zytOtp9W=1wMg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, I know I am getting a little ahead of myself, but I am planning
on taking  elementary algebra during the summer. I am a completely
blind college student, and I was wondering if the people on this list
serve could share their experiences as well as what they used to pass
the class ( i.e tutors, talking calculators and whatever else you
used). I am trying to get an idea of what I should expect and what I
need tod o in order to pass the classl. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. Take care all.

Jonathan


From amylsabo at comcast.net  Tue Jan 24 05:32:20 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:32:20 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Let Yourself Be Entertained With The Djd Invasion
	Tonight
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Dear david,

First of all thanks for as always for putting out the
announcement for the shows for both the invasion and also for pop
tops. Unfortunately, stupid me totally forgot about it tonight! I
was busy with things in my life. So, my apologies for it! Btw, I
have a idea and, I know that you use to do this in the good old
days of your radio career why not have people have a way to
interact/listen to the show/station through their phones? Since
in case like myself you are away from your computer and, or you
don't have internet access? I would love that! So,, I hope that
you will bring back that feature to audio access fm. Also, I
didn't see the show listed in the schedule for acbri this week
either. Should I or yourself contact them about this?

Well, my dear that's all for now take care and, I will talk to
you soon.




Hugs always and forever,
>From amazing amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 3:00 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Let Yourself Be Entertained With The Djd
Invasion Tonight

Hi Everyone!
I hope you're ready for another great night of music and fun on
Audio Access FM!
The fun begins wit Pop Tops at 7 PM eastern, where we play songs
that were top ten or better on billboard, and each program has a
theme associated with it. Tonight's theme On Pop Tops: Self
Replacements

When Dennis From New York City ends his trip through pop history,
The Djd Invasion takes center stage on Audio AccessFM and ACB
Radio Interactive , as Djd and his friends bring you musical
variety as only Djd can bring it with another edition of The Djd
Invasion, going from 8 PM eastern until 10!
On tonight's invasion, we'll hear our usual blend of pop, rock,
oldies, your requests, listener interactions during the show, and
today, we have our Judge Judy clip of the month with perhaps
other musical treats thrown in to, you just never know.
One thing for sure that I know is that we will play your
requests.

During the invasion, you can contact me to make requests or say
hi by emailing me at
djd at audioaccessfm.com
Say hi to me on twitter by following
audioaccessfm
Chill with us on skype. The skype nameto use is
audio.accessfm
Or pick up the phone and call
516-324-2314
to hang out with us live during the show. Don't worry, we won't
put you on the air without your consent.

So why not join the show? Whether you need some cheering up or
just want to be entertained, tune in for Pop Tops at 7 PM eastern
or at any time between 8 PM and 10PM eastern for a night of Djd
Invasion magic. The listen link is at
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php

Hope to see you there!
>From David Dunphy, Station Manager, Audio Access FM Stretching
The Boundaries Of Sound Entertainment
~http://www.audioaccessfm.com
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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 06:29:04 2012
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:29:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
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Hi, Ashley and all,

While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
part of the process of learning to use a new program.

As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
time to play around with it.

Katie

PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
don't have much to say about it.

On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
> before.
>
> ~Jewel
>
> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Peter,
>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>> everyday;
>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>
>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it was
>> becoming less accessible.
>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not accessible.
>> I
>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing stuff
>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the same.
>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>
>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5 and
>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the group? One
>> of four what?
>>
>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For instance, you
>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
>> options.
>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Donahue
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>
>> Hello David and everyone,
>>
>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>> trouble.
>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's documentation
>> for
>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>> declaring
>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found
>> fixes
>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>
>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive technology.
>>
>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>> reporting them.
>>
>> David Andrews
>>
>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>David,
>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go
>>>figure.
>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>
>>>Ashley
>>>
>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
>>>time goes on.
>>>
>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will
>>> take
>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>
>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>
>>>David
>>>----------------------------------
>>>David Dodge
>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>English Major
>>>University at Buffalo
>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still
>>>>be
>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
>>>>they
>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>>>>2003.
>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
>>>>the
>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
>>>>easier.
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Nicole,
>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
>>>>have
>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>>>>where
>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
>>>>2003.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>Arielle
>>>>
>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS
>>>>>13
>>>>>help:
>>>>>
>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>>>>being
>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>>>>>now
>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>>>>>when
>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>>> items
>>>>>in
>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>> entered
>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult
>>>>> and
>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if
>>>>> you
>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>
>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you
>>>>> see
>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>>>>>the
>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR
>>>>> and
>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>is
>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>>>>>or
>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>
>>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Tue Jan 24 06:31:42 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:31:42 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
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Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact, I used it to 
do a project that was geared toward blind users.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility


> Hi, Ashley and all,
>
> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>
> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
> time to play around with it.
>
> Katie
>
> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
> don't have much to say about it.
>
> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>> before.
>>
>> ~Jewel
>>
>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Peter,
>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>> everyday;
>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>
>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it 
>>> was
>>> becoming less accessible.
>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not 
>>> accessible.
>>> I
>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing stuff
>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the 
>>> same.
>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>
>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5 
>>> and
>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the group? 
>>> One
>>> of four what?
>>>
>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For instance, 
>>> you
>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
>>> options.
>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>
>>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>>> trouble.
>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's documentation
>>> for
>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>> declaring
>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found
>>> fixes
>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>
>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive technology.
>>>
>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>> reporting them.
>>>
>>> David Andrews
>>>
>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>>David,
>>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go
>>>>figure.
>>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>
>>>>Ashley
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible 
>>>>as
>>>>time goes on.
>>>>
>>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will
>>>> take
>>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>
>>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>
>>>>David
>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>David Dodge
>>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>English Major
>>>>University at Buffalo
>>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can 
>>>>>still
>>>>>be
>>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
>>>>>they
>>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly 
>>>>>recommend
>>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>>>>>2003.
>>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who 
>>>>>has
>>>>>the
>>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million 
>>>>>times
>>>>>easier.
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nicole,
>>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
>>>>>have
>>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>>>>>where
>>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
>>>>>2003.
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do 
>>>>>not
>>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well 
>>>>>it
>>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>>Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the 
>>>>>>JAWS
>>>>>>13
>>>>>>help:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>>>>>being
>>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but 
>>>>>>are
>>>>>>now
>>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>>>>>>when
>>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>>>> items
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you
>>>>>> see
>>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group 
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon 
>>>>>>Menu
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings 
>>>>>>Center
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using 
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to 
>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for 
>>>>>>>>pr
>>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 15:58:44 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:58:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
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Hi,
Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions in the 
discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that with using 
jaws. I no when surching for other things like powerpoints posted by 
profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or replying to 
a post I have difficulity. If anyone can help that would be great. Thanks a 
bunch
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility


> Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact, I used it 
> to do a project that was geared toward blind users.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> Hi, Ashley and all,
>>
>> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
>> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
>> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
>> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
>> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
>> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
>> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
>> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
>> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
>> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
>> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>>
>> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
>> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
>> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
>> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
>> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
>> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
>> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
>> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
>> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
>> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
>> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
>> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
>> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
>> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
>> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
>> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
>> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
>> time to play around with it.
>>
>> Katie
>>
>> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
>> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
>> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
>> don't have much to say about it.
>>
>> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
>>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
>>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>>> before.
>>>
>>> ~Jewel
>>>
>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Peter,
>>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>>> everyday;
>>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>>
>>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it 
>>>> was
>>>> becoming less accessible.
>>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not 
>>>> accessible.
>>>> I
>>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing 
>>>> stuff
>>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
>>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the 
>>>> same.
>>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>>
>>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5 
>>>> and
>>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the group? 
>>>> One
>>>> of four what?
>>>>
>>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For instance, 
>>>> you
>>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
>>>> options.
>>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>>
>>>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>>>> trouble.
>>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's 
>>>> documentation
>>>> for
>>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>>> declaring
>>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found
>>>> fixes
>>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>>
>>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive technology.
>>>>
>>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>>> reporting them.
>>>>
>>>> David Andrews
>>>>
>>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>David,
>>>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go
>>>>>figure.
>>>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible 
>>>>>as
>>>>>time goes on.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>>>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will
>>>>> take
>>>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>>
>>>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>>
>>>>>David
>>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>>David Dodge
>>>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>>English Major
>>>>>University at Buffalo
>>>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can 
>>>>>>still
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
>>>>>>they
>>>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly 
>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who 
>>>>>>has
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million 
>>>>>>times
>>>>>>easier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nicole,
>>>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>>>>>>where
>>>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus 
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do 
>>>>>>not
>>>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well 
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>>>Arielle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the 
>>>>>>>JAWS
>>>>>>>13
>>>>>>>help:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but 
>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For 
>>>>>>>example,
>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>>>>> items
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group 
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon 
>>>>>>>Menu
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings 
>>>>>>>Center
>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using 
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to 
>>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for 
>>>>>>>>>pr
>>>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Tue Jan 24 16:17:24 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:17:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Please Change the Subject Line was Re: Microsoft product
	accessibility
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Please either start a new thread or change the subject line, especially when 
the new topic is not related to the old.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility


> Hi,
> Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions in the 
> discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that with using 
> jaws. I no when surching for other things like powerpoints posted by 
> profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or replying 
> to a post I have difficulity. If anyone can help that would be great. 
> Thanks a bunch
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact, I used it 
>> to do a project that was geared toward blind users.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Ashley and all,
>>>
>>> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
>>> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
>>> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
>>> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
>>> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
>>> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
>>> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
>>> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
>>> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
>>> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
>>> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>>>
>>> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
>>> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
>>> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
>>> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
>>> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
>>> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
>>> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
>>> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
>>> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
>>> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
>>> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
>>> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
>>> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
>>> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
>>> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
>>> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
>>> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
>>> time to play around with it.
>>>
>>> Katie
>>>
>>> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
>>> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
>>> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
>>> don't have much to say about it.
>>>
>>> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>>>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>>>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>>>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
>>>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>>>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
>>>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>>>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>>>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>>>> before.
>>>>
>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>
>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Peter,
>>>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>>>> everyday;
>>>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it 
>>>>> was
>>>>> becoming less accessible.
>>>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not 
>>>>> accessible.
>>>>> I
>>>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing 
>>>>> stuff
>>>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
>>>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the 
>>>>> same.
>>>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5 
>>>>> and
>>>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the group? 
>>>>> One
>>>>> of four what?
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For instance, 
>>>>> you
>>>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
>>>>> options.
>>>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>>>>> trouble.
>>>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's 
>>>>> documentation
>>>>> for
>>>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>>>> declaring
>>>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found
>>>>> fixes
>>>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive 
>>>>> technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>>>> reporting them.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Andrews
>>>>>
>>>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>David,
>>>>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go
>>>>>>figure.
>>>>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible 
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>time goes on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>>>>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will
>>>>>> take
>>>>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David
>>>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>>>David Dodge
>>>>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>>>English Major
>>>>>>University at Buffalo
>>>>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>>>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can 
>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, 
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly 
>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who 
>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million 
>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>easier.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nicole,
>>>>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I 
>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus 
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do 
>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well 
>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>>>>Arielle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the 
>>>>>>>>JAWS
>>>>>>>>13
>>>>>>>>help:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but 
>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 
>>>>>>>>7
>>>>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For 
>>>>>>>>example,
>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>>>>>> items
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another 
>>>>>>>>group.
>>>>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be 
>>>>>>>>difficult
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know 
>>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets 
>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating 
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, 
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one 
>>>>>>>>group to
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, 
>>>>>>>>SPACEBAR
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon 
>>>>>>>>Menu
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings 
>>>>>>>>Center
>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated 
>>>>>>>>using a
>>>>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to 
>>>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer 
>>>>>>>>>>for pr
>>>>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 16:34:50 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:34:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Please Change the Subject Line was Re: Microsoft
	productaccessibility
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I would do that if there wasn't an issues when I use the nabs mailing list 
email address. When i try to send a new message I get an email that says 
something about an error. So sorry that this interupted your reading in any 
way. I didn't think it was such a big deal
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:17 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Please Change the Subject Line was Re: Microsoft 
productaccessibility


> Please either start a new thread or change the subject line, especially 
> when the new topic is not related to the old.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 7:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions in the 
>> discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that with using 
>> jaws. I no when surching for other things like powerpoints posted by 
>> profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or replying 
>> to a post I have difficulity. If anyone can help that would be great. 
>> Thanks a bunch
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact, I used 
>>> it to do a project that was geared toward blind users.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, Ashley and all,
>>>>
>>>> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
>>>> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
>>>> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
>>>> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
>>>> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
>>>> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
>>>> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
>>>> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
>>>> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
>>>> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
>>>> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>>>>
>>>> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
>>>> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
>>>> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
>>>> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
>>>> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
>>>> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
>>>> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
>>>> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
>>>> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
>>>> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
>>>> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
>>>> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
>>>> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
>>>> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
>>>> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
>>>> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
>>>> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
>>>> time to play around with it.
>>>>
>>>> Katie
>>>>
>>>> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
>>>> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
>>>> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
>>>> don't have much to say about it.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>>>>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>>>>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>>>>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
>>>>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>>>>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
>>>>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>>>>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>>>>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>>>>> before.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>>>>> everyday;
>>>>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>>>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> becoming less accessible.
>>>>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not 
>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>>>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing 
>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
>>>>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the 
>>>>>> same.
>>>>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the 
>>>>>> group? One
>>>>>> of four what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For 
>>>>>> instance, you
>>>>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
>>>>>> options.
>>>>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's 
>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>>>>> declaring
>>>>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found
>>>>>> fixes
>>>>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>>>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>>>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>>>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>>>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>>>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>>>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>>>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive 
>>>>>> technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>>>>> reporting them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Andrews
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>David,
>>>>>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>>>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>>>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>>>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; 
>>>>>>>go
>>>>>>>figure.
>>>>>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>>>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less 
>>>>>>>accessible as
>>>>>>>time goes on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I 
>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they 
>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David
>>>>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>>>>David Dodge
>>>>>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>>>>English Major
>>>>>>>University at Buffalo
>>>>>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>>>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>>>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 
>>>>>>>>2010,
>>>>>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can 
>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, 
>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly 
>>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing 
>>>>>>>>Office
>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who 
>>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million 
>>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>easier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nicole,
>>>>>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I 
>>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure 
>>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus 
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do 
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how 
>>>>>>>>well it
>>>>>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>>>>>Arielle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the 
>>>>>>>>>JAWS
>>>>>>>>>13
>>>>>>>>>help:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new 
>>>>>>>>>applications
>>>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but 
>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 
>>>>>>>>>7
>>>>>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For 
>>>>>>>>>example,
>>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>>>>>>> items
>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another 
>>>>>>>>>group.
>>>>>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be 
>>>>>>>>>difficult
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know 
>>>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets 
>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating 
>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, 
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one 
>>>>>>>>>group to
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, 
>>>>>>>>>SPACEBAR
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon 
>>>>>>>>>Menu
>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings 
>>>>>>>>>Center
>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated 
>>>>>>>>>using a
>>>>>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to 
>>>>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer 
>>>>>>>>>>>for pr
>>>>>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Jan 24 17:17:39 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:17:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard
Message-ID: <CAO83KOsN+Bh1u5nU-hgKYJBNyL0H5YQLSp3DXbVc8Uhe8Wob4g@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't used the discussion portion, but Blackboard is a nuisance,
because it doesn't respond to my computer, like it's supposed to.
When I log in, it says, "Page has no Links."
I think it's because I need to update to Windows 7.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/24/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions in the
> discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that with using
> jaws. I no when surching for other things like powerpoints posted by
> profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or replying to
> a post I have difficulity. If anyone can help that would be great. Thanks a
> bunch
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact, I used it
>> to do a project that was geared toward blind users.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Ashley and all,
>>>
>>> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
>>> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
>>> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
>>> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
>>> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
>>> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
>>> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
>>> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
>>> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
>>> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
>>> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>>>
>>> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
>>> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
>>> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
>>> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
>>> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
>>> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
>>> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
>>> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
>>> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
>>> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
>>> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
>>> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
>>> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
>>> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
>>> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
>>> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
>>> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
>>> time to play around with it.
>>>
>>> Katie
>>>
>>> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
>>> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
>>> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
>>> don't have much to say about it.
>>>
>>> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>>>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>>>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>>>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
>>>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>>>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
>>>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>>>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>>>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>>>> before.
>>>>
>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>
>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Peter,
>>>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>>>> everyday;
>>>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it
>>>>> was
>>>>> becoming less accessible.
>>>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not
>>>>> accessible.
>>>>> I
>>>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing
>>>>> stuff
>>>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
>>>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the
>>>>> same.
>>>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5
>>>>> and
>>>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the group?
>>>>> One
>>>>> of four what?
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For instance,
>>>>> you
>>>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
>>>>> options.
>>>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>>>>> trouble.
>>>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's
>>>>> documentation
>>>>> for
>>>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>>>> declaring
>>>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found
>>>>> fixes
>>>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>>>> reporting them.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Andrews
>>>>>
>>>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>David,
>>>>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go
>>>>>>figure.
>>>>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>time goes on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>>>>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will
>>>>>> take
>>>>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David
>>>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>>>David Dodge
>>>>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>>>English Major
>>>>>>University at Buffalo
>>>>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>>>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can
>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly
>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who
>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million
>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>easier.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nicole,
>>>>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do
>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well
>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>>>>Arielle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the
>>>>>>>>JAWS
>>>>>>>>13
>>>>>>>>help:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but
>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>>>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For
>>>>>>>>example,
>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>>>>>> items
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>>>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you
>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>>>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>>>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon
>>>>>>>>Menu
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings
>>>>>>>>Center
>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>pr
>>>>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 18:32:31 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:32:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
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I've used Access 2003 and it's definitely accessible. I'm not sure
about 2010 though.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:29 AM, Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, Ashley and all,
>
> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>
> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
> time to play around with it.
>
> Katie
>
> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
> don't have much to say about it.
>
> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>> before.
>>
>> ~Jewel
>>
>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Peter,
>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>> everyday;
>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>
>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it was
>>> becoming less accessible.
>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not accessible.
>>> I
>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing stuff
>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the same.
>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>
>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5 and
>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the group? One
>>> of four what?
>>>
>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For instance, you
>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
>>> options.
>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>
>>>    And especially when others are using these products without any
>>> trouble.
>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's documentation
>>> for
>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>> declaring
>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found
>>> fixes
>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>
>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive technology.
>>>
>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>> reporting them.
>>>
>>> David Andrews
>>>
>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>> David,
>>>> I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>> too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>> feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>> accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go
>>>> figure.
>>>> Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>> department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible as
>>>> time goes on.
>>>>
>>>> If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>>>> contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will
>>>> take
>>>> the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>
>>>> 2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> David Dodge
>>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>> State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>> English Major
>>>> University at Buffalo
>>>> 306 Clemens Hall
>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>> ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>>>> especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can still
>>>>> be
>>>>> read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>> recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
>>>>> they
>>>>> are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly recommend
>>>>> just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>>>>> 2003.
>>>>> If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who has
>>>>> the
>>>>> authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million times
>>>>> easier.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicole,
>>>>> I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
>>>>> have
>>>>> them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>> It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>>>>> where
>>>>> something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
>>>>> 2003.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do not
>>>>> have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well it
>>>>> works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>> arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the JAWS
>>>>>> 13
>>>>>> help:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>> The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are
>>>>>> now
>>>>>> becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>>>>> operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>> inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>>>> items
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>>>>> Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>> entered
>>>>>> another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>>>>> ARROW
>>>>>> keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>>> Ribbon
>>>>>> tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>>>>> SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings Center
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using a
>>>>>> traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jaws 13
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>> Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>> Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to create
>>>>>>>> simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for pr
>>>>>>>> somewhere.
>>>>>>>> Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>> I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>>
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From: nbrav003 at fiu.edu (Nallym Bravo)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:20:33 -0500
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Hello all,

Just passing this along, sounds like a great way to make a difference and gain some valuable experience. 

Best,
Nallym

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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 20:34:01 2012
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:34:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Female Roommate Wanted for the Night of Monday February 6
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From jeffanel at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 21:28:58 2012
From: jeffanel at gmail.com (jeff crouch)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:28:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard
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Hey guys, jeff Crouch hear, I use black board, well i try, if you use
mazila, it works if jaws is good, but i have never found it to be
accessable with internet explore, and at all for that matter

On 1/24/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> I haven't used the discussion portion, but Blackboard is a nuisance,
> because it doesn't respond to my computer, like it's supposed to.
> When I log in, it says, "Page has no Links."
> I think it's because I need to update to Windows 7.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/24/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions in the
>> discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that with using
>> jaws. I no when surching for other things like powerpoints posted by
>> profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or replying
>> to
>> a post I have difficulity. If anyone can help that would be great. Thanks
>> a
>> bunch
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact, I used it
>>> to do a project that was geared toward blind users.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, Ashley and all,
>>>>
>>>> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
>>>> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
>>>> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
>>>> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
>>>> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
>>>> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
>>>> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
>>>> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
>>>> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
>>>> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
>>>> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>>>>
>>>> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
>>>> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
>>>> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
>>>> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
>>>> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
>>>> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
>>>> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
>>>> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
>>>> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
>>>> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
>>>> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
>>>> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
>>>> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
>>>> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
>>>> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
>>>> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
>>>> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
>>>> time to play around with it.
>>>>
>>>> Katie
>>>>
>>>> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
>>>> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
>>>> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
>>>> don't have much to say about it.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>>>>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>>>>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>>>>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
>>>>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>>>>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
>>>>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>>>>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>>>>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>>>>> before.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>>>>> everyday;
>>>>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>>>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> becoming less accessible.
>>>>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not
>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>>>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing
>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
>>>>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the
>>>>>> same.
>>>>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the group?
>>>>>> One
>>>>>> of four what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For instance,
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
>>>>>> options.
>>>>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's
>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>>>>> declaring
>>>>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found
>>>>>> fixes
>>>>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>>>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>>>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>>>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>>>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>>>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>>>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>>>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive
>>>>>> technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>>>>> reporting them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Andrews
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>David,
>>>>>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>>>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>>>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>>>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go
>>>>>>>figure.
>>>>>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>>>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible
>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>time goes on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>>>>>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David
>>>>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>>>>David Dodge
>>>>>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>>>>English Major
>>>>>>>University at Buffalo
>>>>>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>>>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>>>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>>>>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can
>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly
>>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who
>>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million
>>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>easier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nicole,
>>>>>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>>>>>Arielle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the
>>>>>>>>>JAWS
>>>>>>>>>13
>>>>>>>>>help:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but
>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows
>>>>>>>>> 7
>>>>>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For
>>>>>>>>>example,
>>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>>>>>>> items
>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another
>>>>>>>>> group.
>>>>>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be
>>>>>>>>> difficult
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one
>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus,
>>>>>>>>> SPACEBAR
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon
>>>>>>>>>Menu
>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings
>>>>>>>>>Center
>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated
>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>pr
>>>>>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Tue Jan 24 21:42:57 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:42:57 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Please Change the Subject Line was Re:
	Microsoftproductaccessibility
References: <270E57C0DABE41A7B72530BC056F55B2@Gloria>
Message-ID: <43E0857D3A3E40C49C212E1C4362A9C0@stanford.edu>

Just out of curiosity, what kind of error do you get? What system/email 
service are you using to send the messages? That is very strange. It only 
has the problem when you try to start a new thread, but not when you reply 
to an old one? Are you sure that you have the correct address?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Please Change the Subject Line was Re: 
Microsoftproductaccessibility


>I would do that if there wasn't an issues when I use the nabs mailing list 
>email address. When i try to send a new message I get an email that says 
>something about an error. So sorry that this interupted your reading in any 
>way. I didn't think it was such a big deal
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:17 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Please Change the Subject Line was Re: Microsoft 
> productaccessibility
>
>
>> Please either start a new thread or change the subject line, especially 
>> when the new topic is not related to the old.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 7:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions in the 
>>> discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that with using 
>>> jaws. I no when surching for other things like powerpoints posted by 
>>> profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or replying 
>>> to a post I have difficulity. If anyone can help that would be great. 
>>> Thanks a bunch
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact, I used 
>>>> it to do a project that was geared toward blind users.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Ashley and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
>>>>> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
>>>>> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
>>>>> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
>>>>> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
>>>>> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
>>>>> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
>>>>> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
>>>>> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
>>>>> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
>>>>> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
>>>>> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
>>>>> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
>>>>> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
>>>>> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
>>>>> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
>>>>> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
>>>>> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
>>>>> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
>>>>> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
>>>>> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
>>>>> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
>>>>> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
>>>>> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
>>>>> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
>>>>> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
>>>>> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
>>>>> time to play around with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Katie
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
>>>>> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
>>>>> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
>>>>> don't have much to say about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>>>>>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>>>>>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>>>>>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>>>>>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go 
>>>>>> thru
>>>>>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>>>>>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>>>>>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>>>>>> everyday;
>>>>>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>>>>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that 
>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>> becoming less accessible.
>>>>>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not 
>>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>>>>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing 
>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for 
>>>>>>> save,
>>>>>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the 
>>>>>>> same.
>>>>>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 
>>>>>>> 5 and
>>>>>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the 
>>>>>>> group? One
>>>>>>> of four what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For 
>>>>>>> instance, you
>>>>>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are 
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> options.
>>>>>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's 
>>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>>>>>> declaring
>>>>>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have 
>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>> fixes
>>>>>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>>>>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>>>>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>>>>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>>>>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>>>>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>>>>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>>>>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive 
>>>>>>> technology.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>>>>>> reporting them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Andrews
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>David,
>>>>>>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>>>>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>>>>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>>>>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; 
>>>>>>>>go
>>>>>>>>figure.
>>>>>>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>>>>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ashley
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less 
>>>>>>>>accessible as
>>>>>>>>time goes on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I 
>>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they 
>>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>David
>>>>>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>>>>>David Dodge
>>>>>>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>>>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>>>>>English Major
>>>>>>>>University at Buffalo
>>>>>>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>>>>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>>>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>>>>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 
>>>>>>>>>2010,
>>>>>>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can 
>>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>>>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, 
>>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly 
>>>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing 
>>>>>>>>>Office
>>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone 
>>>>>>>>>who has
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million 
>>>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>>easier.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Nicole,
>>>>>>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I 
>>>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>>>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure 
>>>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple 
>>>>>>>>>menus of
>>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I 
>>>>>>>>>do not
>>>>>>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how 
>>>>>>>>>well it
>>>>>>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>>>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>>>>>>Arielle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the 
>>>>>>>>>>JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>13
>>>>>>>>>>help:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new 
>>>>>>>>>>applications
>>>>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, 
>>>>>>>>>>but are
>>>>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the 
>>>>>>>>>>Windows 7
>>>>>>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For 
>>>>>>>>>>example,
>>>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move 
>>>>>>>>>>between
>>>>>>>>>> items
>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another 
>>>>>>>>>>group.
>>>>>>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be 
>>>>>>>>>>difficult
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know 
>>>>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets 
>>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating 
>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the 
>>>>>>>>>>Upper
>>>>>>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, 
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one 
>>>>>>>>>>group to
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, 
>>>>>>>>>>SPACEBAR
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon 
>>>>>>>>>>Menu
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings 
>>>>>>>>>>Center
>>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated 
>>>>>>>>>>using a
>>>>>>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer 
>>>>>>>>>>>>for pr
>>>>>>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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From gcazares10 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 22:29:28 2012
From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:29:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc
Message-ID: <000001ccdae7$a3650930$ea2f1b90$@com>

Hi All,

Does anyone remember the name/email address of the service that you can
Email PDF files to, and have them converted to Doc files?

Thanks,

 

.Gabe

 

Gabriel M. Cazares,

1st Vice President

Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National
Federation of the Blind of Texas)

www.nfbtx.org/tabs

Phone: 713-581-0619

 


From nimerjaber1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 22:33:55 2012
From: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nimer_M=2E_Jaber=2C_IC=B3?=)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:33:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc
In-Reply-To: <000001ccdae7$a3650930$ea2f1b90$@com>
References: <000001ccdae7$a3650930$ea2f1b90$@com>
Message-ID: <CAF2O2CwLo-f8k0vs0kyHMziMUxCCmG7imaKfRPromQ+jaAAQ8w@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure of what service that one is, however you can try out
convertfiles.com which will do the same thing for multiple filetypes.

Thanks.

On 24.01.2012, Gabe Cazares <gcazares10 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone remember the name/email address of the service that you can
> Email PDF files to, and have them converted to Doc files?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> .Gabe
>
>
>
> Gabriel M. Cazares,
>
> 1st Vice President
>
> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Texas)
>
> www.nfbtx.org/tabs
>
> Phone: 713-581-0619
>
>
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 22:42:39 2012
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:42:39 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc
In-Reply-To: <000001ccdae7$a3650930$ea2f1b90$@com>
References: <000001ccdae7$a3650930$ea2f1b90$@com>
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The email address to convert your pdf files into Microsoft word (.doc)
format is: convert at roboBraille.org. put the word "DOC" in the subject line.
alternatively, you can visit http://www.robobraille.org to learn how to
convert many other kinds of files to your preferred accessible file type.
The service is called "RoboBraille" which in fact has been extremely
valuable for me. It can convert even pictures of text captured into a .jpg
image and OCR's them for you and puts them into your email inbox in an
accessible, accurate, editable format. You can even convert files into
Braille (.brf) format for use with your note taker. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Gabe Cazares
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:29 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc

Hi All,

Does anyone remember the name/email address of the service that you can
Email PDF files to, and have them converted to Doc files?

Thanks,

 

.Gabe

 

Gabriel M. Cazares,

1st Vice President

Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National
Federation of the Blind of Texas)

www.nfbtx.org/tabs

Phone: 713-581-0619

 

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From missheather at comcast.net  Tue Jan 24 22:49:13 2012
From: missheather at comcast.net (Heather Field)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:49:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc
In-Reply-To: <000001ccdae7$a3650930$ea2f1b90$@com>
References: <000001ccdae7$a3650930$ea2f1b90$@com>
Message-ID: <D8077BB495B546AFA37DE3440FBAD6C4@HeatherAcer>

Hello,
The service is called. Robo braille.
To have a pdf file converted, do the following.
Send an email to:
convert at robobraille.org

In the subject put the format of the file you want the pdf file converted 
into. So, for example, if you want a Microsoft Word file, just put, .doc in 
the subject. There are a bunch of options that it will tonvert files into so 
you may want to visit the site and read their documentation.

Then, attach the pdf file you want converted and send it to Robo braille. It 
will return in a few minutes converted. The converted file will have a new 
name which starts with the letters, rb. So, when you save the new file you 
need to rename it.

There is a limit on the size of files which it will convert so, if it sends 
back a message that the file was too large to convert, you must break the 
pdf file into smaller files. So, for example, it won't scan a whole textbook 
all at once. However, if you had each chapter separately, it would probably 
scan each one for you.

Hope this is helpful.
Regards,
Heather

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gabe Cazares
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:29 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc

Hi All,

Does anyone remember the name/email address of the service that you can
Email PDF files to, and have them converted to Doc files?

Thanks,



.Gabe



Gabriel M. Cazares,

1st Vice President

Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National
Federation of the Blind of Texas)

www.nfbtx.org/tabs

Phone: 713-581-0619



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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 24 23:16:45 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:16:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
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Hi,
Thanks Nicole; exactly my point; access in prior versions was accessible and 
in 2010 its not.
As for the ribbons, okay you can get to them, but it takes lots of tabbing. 
Those of you who say to use the jaws virtual ribbon feature miss the point. 
That is a jaws feature, not a office suite feature! Not everyone has the 
latest jaws, and not everyone uses jaws. Have we forgotten that? Jaws is one 
of many screen readers. No one I know who relied on VR to purchase jaws has 
updated software. They have jaws 10 or 11 usually, so um, they cannot! rely 
on these new features.
Lets separate office commands from jaws. Besides sighted people have 
complained about the layout.

Anyway, it is what it is.

So, how do you use the group boxes when you tab to them?
How do you get to the other options? For instance in the page layout tab, in 
the lower ribbon you have several options of boxes. One says page setup 
group box. Another says  themes button drop down.. How do you go to those 
drop down items?
I'm hopeful all computer users will complain and suggest to microsoft we go 
back to menus. Only will then something change
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 1:31 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility

Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact, I used it to
do a project that was geared toward blind users.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility


> Hi, Ashley and all,
>
> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>
> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
> time to play around with it.
>
> Katie
>
> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
> don't have much to say about it.
>
> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>> before.
>>
>> ~Jewel
>>
>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Peter,
>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>> everyday;
>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>
>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it 
>>> was
>>> becoming less accessible.
>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not 
>>> accessible.
>>> I
>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing stuff
>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the 
>>> same.
>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>
>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5 
>>> and
>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the group? 
>>> One
>>> of four what?
>>>
>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For instance, 
>>> you
>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
>>> options.
>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>
>>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>>> trouble.
>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's documentation
>>> for
>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>> declaring
>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found
>>> fixes
>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>
>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive technology.
>>>
>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>> reporting them.
>>>
>>> David Andrews
>>>
>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>>David,
>>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go
>>>>figure.
>>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>
>>>>Ashley
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible 
>>>>as
>>>>time goes on.
>>>>
>>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will
>>>> take
>>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>
>>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>
>>>>David
>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>David Dodge
>>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>English Major
>>>>University at Buffalo
>>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can 
>>>>>still
>>>>>be
>>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, but
>>>>>they
>>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly 
>>>>>recommend
>>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>>>>>2003.
>>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who 
>>>>>has
>>>>>the
>>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million 
>>>>>times
>>>>>easier.
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nicole,
>>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I can
>>>>>have
>>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>>>>>where
>>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus of
>>>>>2003.
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do 
>>>>>not
>>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well 
>>>>>it
>>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>>Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the 
>>>>>>JAWS
>>>>>>13
>>>>>>help:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>>>>>being
>>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but 
>>>>>>are
>>>>>>now
>>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 7
>>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example,
>>>>>>when
>>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>>>> items
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another group.
>>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be difficult
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets you
>>>>>> see
>>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with
>>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, and
>>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one group 
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, SPACEBAR
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon 
>>>>>>Menu
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings 
>>>>>>Center
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated using 
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to 
>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer for 
>>>>>>>>pr
>>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>
>>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 24 23:32:04 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:32:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Please Change the Subject Line was Re:
	Microsoftproductaccessibility
In-Reply-To: <270E57C0DABE41A7B72530BC056F55B2@Gloria>
References: <270E57C0DABE41A7B72530BC056F55B2@Gloria>
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Gloria,
Just start a new message with the correct subject line. Click on new message 
or compose mail depending on what email client you use

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gloria G
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:34 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Please Change the Subject Line was Re: 
Microsoftproductaccessibility

I would do that if there wasn't an issues when I use the nabs mailing list
email address. When i try to send a new message I get an email that says
something about an error. So sorry that this interupted your reading in any
way. I didn't think it was such a big deal
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:17 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Please Change the Subject Line was Re: Microsoft
productaccessibility


> Please either start a new thread or change the subject line, especially 
> when the new topic is not related to the old.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 7:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions in the 
>> discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that with using 
>> jaws. I no when surching for other things like powerpoints posted by 
>> profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or replying 
>> to a post I have difficulity. If anyone can help that would be great. 
>> Thanks a bunch
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact, I used 
>>> it to do a project that was geared toward blind users.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, Ashley and all,
>>>>
>>>> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
>>>> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
>>>> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
>>>> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
>>>> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
>>>> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
>>>> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
>>>> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
>>>> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
>>>> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
>>>> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>>>>
>>>> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
>>>> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
>>>> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
>>>> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
>>>> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
>>>> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
>>>> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
>>>> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
>>>> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
>>>> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
>>>> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
>>>> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
>>>> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
>>>> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
>>>> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
>>>> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
>>>> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
>>>> time to play around with it.
>>>>
>>>> Katie
>>>>
>>>> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
>>>> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
>>>> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
>>>> don't have much to say about it.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>>>>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>>>>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>>>>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
>>>>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>>>>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
>>>>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>>>>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>>>>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>>>>> before.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>>>>> everyday;
>>>>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>>>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> becoming less accessible.
>>>>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not 
>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>>>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing 
>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
>>>>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the 
>>>>>> same.
>>>>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the 
>>>>>> group? One
>>>>>> of four what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For 
>>>>>> instance, you
>>>>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
>>>>>> options.
>>>>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's 
>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>>>>> declaring
>>>>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found
>>>>>> fixes
>>>>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>>>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>>>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>>>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>>>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>>>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>>>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>>>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive 
>>>>>> technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>>>>> reporting them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Andrews
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>David,
>>>>>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>>>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>>>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>>>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; 
>>>>>>>go
>>>>>>>figure.
>>>>>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>>>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less 
>>>>>>>accessible as
>>>>>>>time goes on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I 
>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they 
>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David
>>>>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>>>>David Dodge
>>>>>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>>>>English Major
>>>>>>>University at Buffalo
>>>>>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>>>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>>>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 
>>>>>>>>2010,
>>>>>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can 
>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, 
>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly 
>>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing 
>>>>>>>>Office
>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who 
>>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million 
>>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>easier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nicole,
>>>>>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I 
>>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure 
>>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus 
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do 
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how 
>>>>>>>>well it
>>>>>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>>>>>Arielle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the 
>>>>>>>>>JAWS
>>>>>>>>>13
>>>>>>>>>help:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new 
>>>>>>>>>applications
>>>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but 
>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 
>>>>>>>>>7
>>>>>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For 
>>>>>>>>>example,
>>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>>>>>>> items
>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another 
>>>>>>>>>group.
>>>>>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be 
>>>>>>>>>difficult
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know 
>>>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets 
>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating 
>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, 
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one 
>>>>>>>>>group to
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, 
>>>>>>>>>SPACEBAR
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon 
>>>>>>>>>Menu
>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings 
>>>>>>>>>Center
>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated 
>>>>>>>>>using a
>>>>>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to 
>>>>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer 
>>>>>>>>>>>for pr
>>>>>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 24 23:35:07 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:35:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard
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Hi,
Blackboard works in internet explorerBut I haven't figured out how to post 
to the discussion board. So far I hear links to the threads and lots of 
check boxes. But not a way to post a comment in the same thread.

-----Original Message----- 
From: jeff crouch
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard

Hey guys, jeff Crouch hear, I use black board, well i try, if you use
mazila, it works if jaws is good, but i have never found it to be
accessable with internet explore, and at all for that matter

On 1/24/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> I haven't used the discussion portion, but Blackboard is a nuisance,
> because it doesn't respond to my computer, like it's supposed to.
> When I log in, it says, "Page has no Links."
> I think it's because I need to update to Windows 7.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/24/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions in the
>> discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that with using
>> jaws. I no when surching for other things like powerpoints posted by
>> profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or replying
>> to
>> a post I have difficulity. If anyone can help that would be great. Thanks
>> a
>> bunch
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact, I used 
>>> it
>>> to do a project that was geared toward blind users.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, Ashley and all,
>>>>
>>>> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
>>>> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
>>>> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
>>>> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
>>>> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
>>>> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
>>>> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
>>>> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
>>>> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
>>>> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
>>>> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>>>>
>>>> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
>>>> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
>>>> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
>>>> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
>>>> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
>>>> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
>>>> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
>>>> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
>>>> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
>>>> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
>>>> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
>>>> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
>>>> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
>>>> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
>>>> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
>>>> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
>>>> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
>>>> time to play around with it.
>>>>
>>>> Katie
>>>>
>>>> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
>>>> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
>>>> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
>>>> don't have much to say about it.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>>>>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>>>>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>>>>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
>>>>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>>>>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
>>>>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>>>>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>>>>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>>>>> before.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>>>>> everyday;
>>>>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>>>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> becoming less accessible.
>>>>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not
>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>>>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing
>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
>>>>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the
>>>>>> same.
>>>>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the 
>>>>>> group?
>>>>>> One
>>>>>> of four what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For 
>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
>>>>>> options.
>>>>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's
>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>>>>> declaring
>>>>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found
>>>>>> fixes
>>>>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>>>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>>>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>>>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>>>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>>>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>>>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>>>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive
>>>>>> technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>>>>> reporting them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Andrews
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>David,
>>>>>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>>>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>>>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>>>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; 
>>>>>>>go
>>>>>>>figure.
>>>>>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>>>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less 
>>>>>>>accessible
>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>time goes on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I 
>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they 
>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David
>>>>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>>>>David Dodge
>>>>>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>>>>English Major
>>>>>>>University at Buffalo
>>>>>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>>>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>>>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 
>>>>>>>>2010,
>>>>>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can
>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly
>>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing 
>>>>>>>>Office
>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who
>>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million
>>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>easier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nicole,
>>>>>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure 
>>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how 
>>>>>>>>well
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>>>>>Arielle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the
>>>>>>>>>JAWS
>>>>>>>>>13
>>>>>>>>>help:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new 
>>>>>>>>>applications
>>>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but
>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows
>>>>>>>>> 7
>>>>>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For
>>>>>>>>>example,
>>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>>>>>>> items
>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another
>>>>>>>>> group.
>>>>>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be
>>>>>>>>> difficult
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one
>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus,
>>>>>>>>> SPACEBAR
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon
>>>>>>>>>Menu
>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings
>>>>>>>>>Center
>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated
>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>pr
>>>>>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 24 23:37:42 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:37:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOsN+Bh1u5nU-hgKYJBNyL0H5YQLSp3DXbVc8Uhe8Wob4g@mail.gmail.com>
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Joshua,
Your operating system should not impact your ability to use blackboard;  I 
used it with windows xp and now windows 7. Check with I T if you are having 
difficulties.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:17 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard

I haven't used the discussion portion, but Blackboard is a nuisance,
because it doesn't respond to my computer, like it's supposed to.
When I log in, it says, "Page has no Links."
I think it's because I need to update to Windows 7.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/24/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions in the
> discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that with using
> jaws. I no when surching for other things like powerpoints posted by
> profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or replying 
> to
> a post I have difficulity. If anyone can help that would be great. Thanks 
> a
> bunch
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>
>
>> Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact, I used it
>> to do a project that was geared toward blind users.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Ashley and all,
>>>
>>> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
>>> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
>>> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
>>> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
>>> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
>>> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
>>> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
>>> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
>>> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
>>> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
>>> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>>>
>>> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
>>> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
>>> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
>>> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
>>> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
>>> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
>>> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
>>> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
>>> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
>>> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
>>> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
>>> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
>>> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
>>> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
>>> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
>>> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
>>> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
>>> time to play around with it.
>>>
>>> Katie
>>>
>>> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
>>> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
>>> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
>>> don't have much to say about it.
>>>
>>> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>>>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>>>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>>>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
>>>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>>>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
>>>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>>>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>>>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>>>> before.
>>>>
>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>
>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Peter,
>>>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>>>> everyday;
>>>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it
>>>>> was
>>>>> becoming less accessible.
>>>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not
>>>>> accessible.
>>>>> I
>>>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing
>>>>> stuff
>>>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
>>>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the
>>>>> same.
>>>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5
>>>>> and
>>>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the group?
>>>>> One
>>>>> of four what?
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For instance,
>>>>> you
>>>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
>>>>> options.
>>>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>>>>> trouble.
>>>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's
>>>>> documentation
>>>>> for
>>>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>>>> declaring
>>>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found
>>>>> fixes
>>>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive 
>>>>> technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>>>> reporting them.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Andrews
>>>>>
>>>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>David,
>>>>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go
>>>>>>figure.
>>>>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>time goes on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>>>>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will
>>>>>> take
>>>>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David
>>>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>>>David Dodge
>>>>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>>>English Major
>>>>>>University at Buffalo
>>>>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>>>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can
>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both, 
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly
>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who
>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million
>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>easier.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nicole,
>>>>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I 
>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do
>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well
>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>>>>Arielle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the
>>>>>>>>JAWS
>>>>>>>>13
>>>>>>>>help:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but
>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows 
>>>>>>>>7
>>>>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For
>>>>>>>>example,
>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>>>>>> items
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another 
>>>>>>>>group.
>>>>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be 
>>>>>>>>difficult
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know 
>>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets 
>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating 
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB, 
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one 
>>>>>>>>group
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus, 
>>>>>>>>SPACEBAR
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon
>>>>>>>>Menu
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings
>>>>>>>>Center
>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated 
>>>>>>>>using
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer 
>>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>pr
>>>>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From lakeisha.renee at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 23:52:12 2012
From: lakeisha.renee at gmail.com (LaKeisha Holmes)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:52:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The 2nd Annual "U Improving U" Regional Seminar
Message-ID: <314CB704-0AB5-47E4-8D64-DC7728BDABEB@gmail.com>

Hello all,
Three years ago, the Georgia Association of Blind Students hosted our first "U Improving U" regional seminar. The seminar was created to help blind students  improve in areas such as advocacy and college preparation. There was even a self defense class! There were also  activities geared towards technology  and the NFB philosophy. Students from across the southeast region came to participate in the action packed weekend. 
Because of the success of our first seminar, we would love to make it bigger and better. If you would like to hear more or participate in the seminar, please contact:
LaKeisha Holmes
lholmes at gabstudents.org

I hope to hear from you all soon!!
LaKeisha Holmes
President
Georgia Association of Blind Students

LaKeisha Holmes
President
Georgia Association of Blind Students
Phone: 404.580.3040
[The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists.



From raydar11011 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 24 23:53:28 2012
From: raydar11011 at yahoo.com (Reinhard Stebner)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:53:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Female Roommate Wanted for the Night of Monday
	February 6
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What is the location?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sean Whalen
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:34 PM
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Cc: 'Shelby Ball'; kea.anderson at gmail.com; 'Candice Chapman'
Subject: [nabs-l] Female Roommate Wanted for the Night of Monday February 6

Good afternoon,

 

If any of you happen to know of anybody who has a room and would be
interested in sharing on the night of Monday, February 6, please send me an
email at smwhalenpsp at gmail.com and let me know. This is a young woman
looking to share with women only, and only for the one night.

 

Thanks,

 

Sean

 

 

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From lakeisha.renee at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 01:49:57 2012
From: lakeisha.renee at gmail.com (LaKeisha Holmes)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:49:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: February - Virtual Recruitment through webinar
	sessions
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Isaiah G. Wilcox" <isaiahgwilcox at gmail.com>
> Date: January 24, 2012 7:40:12 PM EST
> To: Keisha Holmes <lakeisha.renee at gmail.com>, Nikki Jackson <dnjackson22 at gmail.com>, Jo Ann Collins <jcollins at nfbga.org>, Beverly Hunter <bhunter at nfbga.org>, Anil Lewis <alewis at nfb.org>, Rosy Carranza <RCarranza at nfb.org>
> Subject: Fwd: February - Virtual Recruitment through webinar sessions
> 
>> 
> FYA,
> I received this e-mails regarding new opportunities for students who may be interested in working for the federal government.  Please pass this info on!
> Thanks,
> Isaiah
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

LaKeisha Holmes
President
Georgia Association of Blind Students
Phone: 404.580.3040
[The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists.


From jeffanel at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 02:24:35 2012
From: jeffanel at gmail.com (jeff crouch)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:24:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard
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	<98DE2321BB7944E5BDF9E0E526BB29F0@OwnerPC>
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well i don't know how your doing it Ashley, i guess your lucky, cause
my page desplays after i log in, paige has 0 links

On 1/24/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> Your operating system should not impact your ability to use blackboard;  I
> used it with windows xp and now windows 7. Check with I T if you are having
> difficulties.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:17 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard
>
> I haven't used the discussion portion, but Blackboard is a nuisance,
> because it doesn't respond to my computer, like it's supposed to.
> When I log in, it says, "Page has no Links."
> I think it's because I need to update to Windows 7.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/24/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions in the
>> discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that with using
>> jaws. I no when surching for other things like powerpoints posted by
>> profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or replying
>> to
>> a post I have difficulity. If anyone can help that would be great. Thanks
>> a
>> bunch
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact, I used it
>>> to do a project that was geared toward blind users.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, Ashley and all,
>>>>
>>>> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
>>>> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
>>>> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
>>>> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
>>>> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
>>>> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
>>>> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
>>>> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
>>>> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
>>>> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
>>>> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>>>>
>>>> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
>>>> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
>>>> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
>>>> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
>>>> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
>>>> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
>>>> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
>>>> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
>>>> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
>>>> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
>>>> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
>>>> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
>>>> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
>>>> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
>>>> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
>>>> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
>>>> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
>>>> time to play around with it.
>>>>
>>>> Katie
>>>>
>>>> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
>>>> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
>>>> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
>>>> don't have much to say about it.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>>>>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>>>>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>>>>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, the
>>>>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>>>>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go thru
>>>>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>>>>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>>>>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>>>>> before.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>>>>> everyday;
>>>>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>>>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that it
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> becoming less accessible.
>>>>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not
>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>>>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing
>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for save,
>>>>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the
>>>>>> same.
>>>>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 5
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the group?
>>>>>> One
>>>>>> of four what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For instance,
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are no
>>>>>> options.
>>>>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's
>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>>>>> declaring
>>>>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have found
>>>>>> fixes
>>>>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>>>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>>>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>>>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>>>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>>>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>>>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>>>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive
>>>>>> technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>>>>> reporting them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Andrews
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>David,
>>>>>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>>>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>>>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>>>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; go
>>>>>>>figure.
>>>>>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>>>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less accessible
>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>time goes on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I recommend
>>>>>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they will
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David
>>>>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>>>>David Dodge
>>>>>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>>>>English Major
>>>>>>>University at Buffalo
>>>>>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>>>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>>>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 2010,
>>>>>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can
>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both,
>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly
>>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing Office
>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone who
>>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million
>>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>easier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nicole,
>>>>>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I
>>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure out
>>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple menus
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I do
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how well
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>>>>>Arielle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the
>>>>>>>>>JAWS
>>>>>>>>>13
>>>>>>>>>help:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications
>>>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but
>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows
>>>>>>>>>7
>>>>>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For
>>>>>>>>>example,
>>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move between
>>>>>>>>> items
>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another
>>>>>>>>>group.
>>>>>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be
>>>>>>>>>difficult
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know
>>>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets
>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating
>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the Upper
>>>>>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB,
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one
>>>>>>>>>group
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus,
>>>>>>>>>SPACEBAR
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon
>>>>>>>>>Menu
>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings
>>>>>>>>>Center
>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated
>>>>>>>>>using
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer
>>>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>pr
>>>>>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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kd8qiq
jeff crouch


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 25 03:19:39 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:19:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Changes in school plans
Message-ID: <CAO83KOtjLPLxDJL8OSNPdasQ+mZsHVL=1c-VpC8D8EUttRfAaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I'm delighted to announce the following changes!
I'm going from a General Education degree, to a Behavioral Health major.
This way, I won't need the science classes, or College Algebra!
I'll be able to attend church on Wednesday nights, after all!
I'm about to finalize everything, and I'll let you know what happens from there!
These Behavioral Health classes are all accomidating for me, because
the classes are taught by instructors, that I've had before.
Blessings, Joshua


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 04:25:14 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:25:14 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Math courses tips and accomodations
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Hi Jonathan,
I'd like to try and help you but it'd be good if I had a little more
information about the technology you use. Do you use a computer? Is it
a PC or a Mac? Do you use any kind of Braille notetaker like a Pac
Mate or Braille Note?
I am asking because many of these devices have good accessible
calculators, so if you have one you can use the calculator that's
built into that device. Also if you have a Braille notetaker with a
Braille display, you can do homework assignments on that device and be
able to see your work in Braille.
Also does your school have any kind of facility for producing Braille
copies of textbooks? If so, now would be a good time to try and get
the titles of any assigned textbooks and arrange for them to be
Brailled. If your school doesn't have Braille production facilities,
there are other ways to access the text including requesting it in
Braille from another service, using E-text or using an audio version
of your text. You can also work with a reader. All these options have
their own advantages and disadvantages. My recommendations will depend
on what resources you have currently.
Best,
Arielle

On 1/23/12, jonathan franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello, I know I am getting a little ahead of myself, but I am planning
> on taking  elementary algebra during the summer. I am a completely
> blind college student, and I was wondering if the people on this list
> serve could share their experiences as well as what they used to pass
> the class ( i.e tutors, talking calculators and whatever else you
> used). I am trying to get an idea of what I should expect and what I
> need tod o in order to pass the classl. Any help would be greatly
> appreciated. Take care all.
>
> Jonathan
>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Jan 25 04:49:45 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:49:45 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Math courses tips and accomodations
References: <CAHEy+8Wa3BO14sPkReA-QbgZFE+ao4_hvJNS8zytOtp9W=1wMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJDqk=UOS4n4eXNHoQxr=yCwy9uZjSszSKchxXVcdm3JKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F20494E93A140728118AF5D04EBA899@stanford.edu>

Adding to that, how have you in the past and how do you plan to turn in 
homework assignments?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math courses tips and accomodations


> Hi Jonathan,
> I'd like to try and help you but it'd be good if I had a little more
> information about the technology you use. Do you use a computer? Is it
> a PC or a Mac? Do you use any kind of Braille notetaker like a Pac
> Mate or Braille Note?
> I am asking because many of these devices have good accessible
> calculators, so if you have one you can use the calculator that's
> built into that device. Also if you have a Braille notetaker with a
> Braille display, you can do homework assignments on that device and be
> able to see your work in Braille.
> Also does your school have any kind of facility for producing Braille
> copies of textbooks? If so, now would be a good time to try and get
> the titles of any assigned textbooks and arrange for them to be
> Brailled. If your school doesn't have Braille production facilities,
> there are other ways to access the text including requesting it in
> Braille from another service, using E-text or using an audio version
> of your text. You can also work with a reader. All these options have
> their own advantages and disadvantages. My recommendations will depend
> on what resources you have currently.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 1/23/12, jonathan franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello, I know I am getting a little ahead of myself, but I am planning
>> on taking  elementary algebra during the summer. I am a completely
>> blind college student, and I was wondering if the people on this list
>> serve could share their experiences as well as what they used to pass
>> the class ( i.e tutors, talking calculators and whatever else you
>> used). I am trying to get an idea of what I should expect and what I
>> need tod o in order to pass the classl. Any help would be greatly
>> appreciated. Take care all.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 13:15:35 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 07:15:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard
References: <CAO83KOsN+Bh1u5nU-hgKYJBNyL0H5YQLSp3DXbVc8Uhe8Wob4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+N-3k3NKzrn=gyx7WyiV+9JjL-WD4Tvdxsaav30kar1YfQmUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEB07BE4B7D74E5A945C14FF5FFE5B84@Gloria>

Hi,
Do you know what the command to make a new post? Thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard


> Hey guys, jeff Crouch hear, I use black board, well i try, if you use
> mazila, it works if jaws is good, but i have never found it to be
> accessable with internet explore, and at all for that matter
>
> On 1/24/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> I haven't used the discussion portion, but Blackboard is a nuisance,
>> because it doesn't respond to my computer, like it's supposed to.
>> When I log in, it says, "Page has no Links."
>> I think it's because I need to update to Windows 7.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/24/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions in the
>>> discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that with using
>>> jaws. I no when surching for other things like powerpoints posted by
>>> profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or replying
>>> to
>>> a post I have difficulity. If anyone can help that would be great. 
>>> Thanks
>>> a
>>> bunch
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact, I used 
>>>> it
>>>> to do a project that was geared toward blind users.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Ashley and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are in MS
>>>>> Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind users
>>>>> alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 2003 to
>>>>> 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
>>>>> accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the Virtual
>>>>> Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a manner
>>>>> that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating a lot
>>>>> of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run into a
>>>>> few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, it was
>>>>> easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is simply
>>>>> part of the process of learning to use a new program.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite and
>>>>> someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent technology,
>>>>> I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do think
>>>>> that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a long
>>>>> time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it is easy
>>>>> for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply because
>>>>> we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember me
>>>>> posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
>>>>> because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity of
>>>>> Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since figured
>>>>> out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
>>>>> actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
>>>>> appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In short, I
>>>>> would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
>>>>> program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
>>>>> sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might be
>>>>> surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow yourself
>>>>> time to play around with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Katie
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I don't
>>>>> believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not really
>>>>> a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything though so
>>>>> don't have much to say about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the ribbons.
>>>>>> This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, but
>>>>>> you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow keys. I
>>>>>> learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS. Also, 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be in one
>>>>>> grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and go 
>>>>>> thru
>>>>>> the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some practice
>>>>>> to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
>>>>>> options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was stated
>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>> You are not a student and further probably do not use Office suite
>>>>>>> everyday;
>>>>>>> I don't even know if you have a job.
>>>>>>> Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said that 
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> becoming less accessible.
>>>>>>> That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not
>>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
>>>>>>> It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word processing
>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>> work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for 
>>>>>>> save,
>>>>>>> control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are the
>>>>>>> same.
>>>>>>> Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying 1 of 
>>>>>>> 5
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the 
>>>>>>> group?
>>>>>>> One
>>>>>>> of four what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box. For 
>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there are 
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> options.
>>>>>>> Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Peter Donahue
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello David and everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     And especially when others are using these products without any
>>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>>> Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's
>>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues before
>>>>>>> declaring
>>>>>>> this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have 
>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>> fixes
>>>>>>> for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
>>>>>>> things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
>>>>>>> accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You can
>>>>>>> get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
>>>>>>> readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
>>>>>>> person, but it is not inaccessible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
>>>>>>> community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it is
>>>>>>> that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive
>>>>>>> technology.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate when
>>>>>>> reporting them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Andrews
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>David,
>>>>>>>>I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007 wasn't
>>>>>>>>too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010 and
>>>>>>>>feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
>>>>>>>>accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change things; 
>>>>>>>>go
>>>>>>>>figure.
>>>>>>>>Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
>>>>>>>>department or whomever handels access issues there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ashley
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less 
>>>>>>>>accessible
>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>time goes on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you are having accessibility issues with these products I 
>>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>>contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that they 
>>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>the feedback into consideration, but still.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>David
>>>>>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>>>>>David Dodge
>>>>>>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>>>>>State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>>>>>English Major
>>>>>>>>University at Buffalo
>>>>>>>>306 Clemens Hall
>>>>>>>>Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>>>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
>>>>>>>>ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or 
>>>>>>>>>2010,
>>>>>>>>>especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010 can
>>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
>>>>>>>>>recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have both,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>>>are not easy or convenient.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>>>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly
>>>>>>>>>recommend
>>>>>>>>>just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing 
>>>>>>>>>Office
>>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>>If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone 
>>>>>>>>>who
>>>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>authority to do it and explain that it would make things a million
>>>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>>easier.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>>>>>>bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Nicole,
>>>>>>>>>I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if I
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>them concurrently on the computer?
>>>>>>>>>It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure 
>>>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>>>something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple 
>>>>>>>>>menus
>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>2003.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section. I 
>>>>>>>>>do
>>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how 
>>>>>>>>>well
>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>works, but it is probably better than nothing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
>>>>>>>>>arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does JAWS 12 have this?
>>>>>>>>>Arielle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from the
>>>>>>>>>>JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>13
>>>>>>>>>>help:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Virtual Ribbon Menu
>>>>>>>>>>The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new 
>>>>>>>>>>applications
>>>>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>>>released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, 
>>>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>>>>becoming more common in other applications tailored for the 
>>>>>>>>>>Windows
>>>>>>>>>> 7
>>>>>>>>>>operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to
>>>>>>>>>>inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For
>>>>>>>>>>example,
>>>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>>>you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move 
>>>>>>>>>>between
>>>>>>>>>> items
>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another
>>>>>>>>>> group.
>>>>>>>>>>Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
>>>>>>>>>> entered
>>>>>>>>>>another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be
>>>>>>>>>> difficult
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>ARROW
>>>>>>>>>>keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the 
>>>>>>>>>>Upper
>>>>>>>>>>Ribbon
>>>>>>>>>>tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW, TAB,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one
>>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus,
>>>>>>>>>> SPACEBAR
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual Ribbon
>>>>>>>>>>Menu
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings
>>>>>>>>>>Center
>>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>>the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated
>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  jaws 13
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What version of JAWS are you using?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
>>>>>>>>>>>> ribbons.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>create
>>>>>>>>>>>>simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>pr
>>>>>>>>>>>>somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Is excell still accessible?
>>>>>>>>>>>>I'll need the access database for work probably.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 25 15:05:02 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:05:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
Message-ID: <CAO83KOt21r=vdsgHd7+XQ5w64JPiD0Jgr7WyUxNuBDs-_o9=Eg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about it!
Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
do anything I want to do.
The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
Blessings, Joshua


From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 15:19:24 2012
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:19:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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What is a Behavior Health major? And what jobs does that line you up for
being able to do in the future?  

In a previous message you said you have changed majors because then you
would not need to take math and science. That is a bit concerning. 




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Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!

I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about it!
Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
do anything I want to do.
The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
Blessings, Joshua

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 25 15:25:12 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:25:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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Behavioral Health is a degree, that will help, not only in my ministry
training, but I could be accepted to do counseling.
That is a passion I've always had.
I've had all of the Math, that was required for that degree.
The only "Science," is Anadomy and Physiology.
I can stand that class, because I know the instructor, and she's very
accomidating.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/25/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
> What is a Behavior Health major? And what jobs does that line you up for
> being able to do in the future?
>
> In a previous message you said you have changed majors because then you
> would not need to take math and science. That is a bit concerning.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:05 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>
> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about it!
> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
> do anything I want to do.
> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 15:26:35 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:26:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
References: <CAO83KOt21r=vdsgHd7+XQ5w64JPiD0Jgr7WyUxNuBDs-_o9=Eg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Joushua,
So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college? When 
is your expected graduated date now?
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!


> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about 
> it!
> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
> do anything I want to do.
> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 25 15:31:49 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:31:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
In-Reply-To: <7FA49A01D80A4E619165D378EF29B3E2@Gloria>
References: <CAO83KOt21r=vdsgHd7+XQ5w64JPiD0Jgr7WyUxNuBDs-_o9=Eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<7FA49A01D80A4E619165D378EF29B3E2@Gloria>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOu04J-+26tQ-iFVeXRpbaMMM8+P_Qe2irhZEA4kwGPOSQ@mail.gmail.com>

It will be, in a year and a half.
I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
that doesn't specialize in one thing.
I feel great!
Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua

On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Joushua,
> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college? When
> is your expected graduated date now?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>
>
>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about
>> it!
>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>> do anything I want to do.
>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
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From davidb521 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 15:47:21 2012
From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:47:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOu04J-+26tQ-iFVeXRpbaMMM8+P_Qe2irhZEA4kwGPOSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO83KOt21r=vdsgHd7+XQ5w64JPiD0Jgr7WyUxNuBDs-_o9=Eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<7FA49A01D80A4E619165D378EF29B3E2@Gloria>
	<CAO83KOu04J-+26tQ-iFVeXRpbaMMM8+P_Qe2irhZEA4kwGPOSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I am about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion, but I feel it worth saying.
I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong reasons. Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even if Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral Health, then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness. Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements are false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based on accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you reconsider your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as you doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just fulfill your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant professors push you around.
David Bouchard


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:

> It will be, in a year and a half.
> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
> I feel great!
> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
> 
> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Joushua,
>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college? When
>> is your expected graduated date now?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>> 
>> 
>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about
>>> it!
>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>> do anything I want to do.
>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 25 15:52:04 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:52:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
In-Reply-To: <511CC69B-B016-4169-BDFB-A9190907B9D4@gmail.com>
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David:
The General Education Degree, is actually a certificate, that covers
your basics.
This is a variety of courses, and doesn't specialize in any subject.
This isn't an education major, because I didn't major in anything.
This, is in a community college, BTW.
An education major, is working to become a teacher.
That's not what this is.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/25/12, David <davidb521 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I am
> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion, but
> I feel it worth saying.
> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong reasons.
> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even if
> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral Health,
> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements are
> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based on
> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you reconsider
> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as you
> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just fulfill
> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
> professors push you around.
> David Bouchard
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>> I feel great!
>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Joushua,
>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>>> When
>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about
>>>> it!
>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>>
>>>
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 16:29:10 2012
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:29:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS on the Mac
Message-ID: <CACUFQdx=YXPKdgWtLrrxpPgxtJFRFjSQ7ARUndsxjiW9+sfyPw@mail.gmail.com>

There have been several emails to this list related to SPSS, mostly
about how it is not very accessible. Has anyone tried using it on a
Mac with VoiceOver? I think I am going to download the free trial and
am curious to hear experiences. I will definitely repost with more
information about the level of accessibility after I have worked with
it.

Thanks.

-- 
Cindy Bennett
B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington

clb5590 at gmail.com
828.989.5383


From brileyp at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 16:32:18 2012
From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:32:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS on the Mac
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Deffinitely let us know how it goes. I will have to take a research course soon and would love any tips you have.

Best,
Briley
On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Cindy Bennett wrote:

> There have been several emails to this list related to SPSS, mostly
> about how it is not very accessible. Has anyone tried using it on a
> Mac with VoiceOver? I think I am going to download the free trial and
> am curious to hear experiences. I will definitely repost with more
> information about the level of accessibility after I have worked with
> it.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> Cindy Bennett
> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
> 
> clb5590 at gmail.com
> 828.989.5383
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 25 16:47:27 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:47:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOt5_wOB6_tzjYMrJS3ZZ-7vb_q_jRtS5rq1XoedEf-rOQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Joshua,
I think what you mean by general education is you are getting an associates 
degree at this community college.
What major you pick is really up to you based on your strengths, weaknesses, 
and career goals.
You're right that a general education degree at a community college won't 
get you far. You need a four year degree to get most decent white collar 
jobs.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:52 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

David:
The General Education Degree, is actually a certificate, that covers
your basics.
This is a variety of courses, and doesn't specialize in any subject.
This isn't an education major, because I didn't major in anything.
This, is in a community college, BTW.
An education major, is working to become a teacher.
That's not what this is.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/25/12, David <davidb521 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I 
> am
> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion, 
> but
> I feel it worth saying.
> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong 
> reasons.
> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even if
> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral 
> Health,
> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements are
> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based 
> on
> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you reconsider
> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as 
> you
> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just 
> fulfill
> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
> professors push you around.
> David Bouchard
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester 
> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>> I feel great!
>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Joushua,
>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>>> When
>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about
>>>> it!
>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 16:52:11 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:52:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS on the Mac
In-Reply-To: <05E948F1-36D3-4598-A72B-A14722E1CDEA@gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdx=YXPKdgWtLrrxpPgxtJFRFjSQ7ARUndsxjiW9+sfyPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<05E948F1-36D3-4598-A72B-A14722E1CDEA@gmail.com>
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Hi Cindy,
I'm interested to learn about SPSS access on the Mac as well, since
many of the computer labs here where statistics is taught use SPSS on
Macs. Do you know how long the free trial lasts?
Arielle

On 1/25/12, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com> wrote:
> Deffinitely let us know how it goes. I will have to take a research course
> soon and would love any tips you have.
>
> Best,
> Briley
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Cindy Bennett wrote:
>
>> There have been several emails to this list related to SPSS, mostly
>> about how it is not very accessible. Has anyone tried using it on a
>> Mac with VoiceOver? I think I am going to download the free trial and
>> am curious to hear experiences. I will definitely repost with more
>> information about the level of accessibility after I have worked with
>> it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Cindy Bennett
>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
>>
>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>> 828.989.5383
>>
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 17:19:49 2012
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:19:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS on the Mac
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJDdkxbcHvZR7ZJqs4q+AgiQsspOihABbbW8pm-0jtpXAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdx=YXPKdgWtLrrxpPgxtJFRFjSQ7ARUndsxjiW9+sfyPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<05E948F1-36D3-4598-A72B-A14722E1CDEA@gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJDdkxbcHvZR7ZJqs4q+AgiQsspOihABbbW8pm-0jtpXAg@mail.gmail.com>
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I know the trial is only 14 days. I am not sure if it knows you have
used a free trial based on it already have been downloaded on a
certain device or by email address or both. So I would have a couple
of devices available if possible and a couple of email addresses.

Cindy

On 1/25/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Cindy,
> I'm interested to learn about SPSS access on the Mac as well, since
> many of the computer labs here where statistics is taught use SPSS on
> Macs. Do you know how long the free trial lasts?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/25/12, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Deffinitely let us know how it goes. I will have to take a research course
>> soon and would love any tips you have.
>>
>> Best,
>> Briley
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Cindy Bennett wrote:
>>
>>> There have been several emails to this list related to SPSS, mostly
>>> about how it is not very accessible. Has anyone tried using it on a
>>> Mac with VoiceOver? I think I am going to download the free trial and
>>> am curious to hear experiences. I will definitely repost with more
>>> information about the level of accessibility after I have worked with
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cindy Bennett
>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
>>>
>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>> 828.989.5383
>>>
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-- 
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828.989.5383


From aaatlantic at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 17:19:53 2012
From: aaatlantic at aol.com (aaatlantic at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:19:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS on the Mac
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References: <CACUFQdx=YXPKdgWtLrrxpPgxtJFRFjSQ7ARUndsxjiW9+sfyPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4491DE26-A9B0-45E8-AB4A-6603728E81A3@aol.com>

Hi cindy and all Alex Atlantic-here please let me know how accessible it is so I can report it to my team. Thanks

Alex Atlantic mobile 1-313-421-1908  Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:

> There have been several emails to this list related to SPSS, mostly
> about how it is not very accessible. Has anyone tried using it on a
> Mac with VoiceOver? I think I am going to download the free trial and
> am curious to hear experiences. I will definitely repost with more
> information about the level of accessibility after I have worked with
> it.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> Cindy Bennett
> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
> 
> clb5590 at gmail.com
> 828.989.5383
> 
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 25 19:12:16 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:12:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
In-Reply-To: <1D776A806A204B7F854EA2D4178F0C6B@OwnerPC>
References: <CAO83KOt21r=vdsgHd7+XQ5w64JPiD0Jgr7WyUxNuBDs-_o9=Eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<7FA49A01D80A4E619165D378EF29B3E2@Gloria>
	<CAO83KOu04J-+26tQ-iFVeXRpbaMMM8+P_Qe2irhZEA4kwGPOSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<511CC69B-B016-4169-BDFB-A9190907B9D4@gmail.com>
	<CAO83KOt5_wOB6_tzjYMrJS3ZZ-7vb_q_jRtS5rq1XoedEf-rOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1D776A806A204B7F854EA2D4178F0C6B@OwnerPC>
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Correct.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/25/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> I think what you mean by general education is you are getting an associates
> degree at this community college.
> What major you pick is really up to you based on your strengths, weaknesses,
> and career goals.
> You're right that a general education degree at a community college won't
> get you far. You need a four year degree to get most decent white collar
> jobs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:52 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!
>
> David:
> The General Education Degree, is actually a certificate, that covers
> your basics.
> This is a variety of courses, and doesn't specialize in any subject.
> This isn't an education major, because I didn't major in anything.
> This, is in a community college, BTW.
> An education major, is working to become a teacher.
> That's not what this is.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/25/12, David <davidb521 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I
>> am
>> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion,
>> but
>> I feel it worth saying.
>> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong
>> reasons.
>> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
>> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
>> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even if
>> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
>> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral
>> Health,
>> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
>> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
>> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements are
>> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
>> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based
>> on
>> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you reconsider
>> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
>> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as
>> you
>> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just
>> fulfill
>> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
>> professors push you around.
>> David Bouchard
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>>> I feel great!
>>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Joushua,
>>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>>>> When
>>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about
>>>>> it!
>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 19:50:04 2012
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:50:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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References: <CAO83KOt21r=vdsgHd7+XQ5w64JPiD0Jgr7WyUxNuBDs-_o9=Eg@mail.gmail.com><7FA49A01D80A4E619165D378EF29B3E2@Gloria><CAO83KOu04J-+26tQ-iFVeXRpbaMMM8+P_Qe2irhZEA4kwGPOSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <60CED7F02B9E4EE99B0614180060B148@Cptr233>

I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because you
do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If you
were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then sure.
But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this list,
who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
should not stop you. 

There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who are
taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
community colleges, or universities. 

Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High school
was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my degree.
I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to Braille
my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I got
the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
passed. 

Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband is
blind, has a degree in mathematics. 

If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make your
life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might need
more math and science classes, what are you going to do then? 

Just my two cents what it is worth,
Marsha 


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!

Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I am
about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion, but
I feel it worth saying.
I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong reasons.
Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even if
Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral Health,
then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements are
false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based on
accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you reconsider
your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as you
doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just fulfill
your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
professors push you around.
David Bouchard


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
wrote:

> It will be, in a year and a half.
> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
> I feel great!
> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
> 
> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Joushua,
>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
When
>> is your expected graduated date now?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>> 
>> 
>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about
>>> it!
>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>> do anything I want to do.
>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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m
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 19:52:27 2012
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:52:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: February - Virtual Recruitment through webinar
	sessions
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Hey Keisha, is there supposed to be an attachment with this? I only
see Isaiah's written in message...
Thanks.
Mary


On 1/24/12, LaKeisha Holmes <lakeisha.renee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "Isaiah G. Wilcox" <isaiahgwilcox at gmail.com>
>> Date: January 24, 2012 7:40:12 PM EST
>> To: Keisha Holmes <lakeisha.renee at gmail.com>, Nikki Jackson
>> <dnjackson22 at gmail.com>, Jo Ann Collins <jcollins at nfbga.org>, Beverly
>> Hunter <bhunter at nfbga.org>, Anil Lewis <alewis at nfb.org>, Rosy Carranza
>> <RCarranza at nfb.org>
>> Subject: Fwd: February - Virtual Recruitment through webinar sessions
>>
>>>
>> FYA,
>> I received this e-mails regarding new opportunities for students who may
>> be interested in working for the federal government.  Please pass this
>> info on!
>> Thanks,
>> Isaiah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> LaKeisha Holmes
> President
> Georgia Association of Blind Students
> Phone: 404.580.3040
> [The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem
> is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists.
>
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-- 
Mary Fernandez
Emory 2012
"Do I dare
Disturb the universe?
In a minute there is time
For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse."
--
T.S. Eliot


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Wed Jan 25 19:57:09 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:57:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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Here's the list of classes I'll have to take.
#1. Human Growth, and Development.
#2. Medical Terminology
#3. Anatomy and Physiology.
#4. Microbusiness
#5. The Family
#6. Behaviorial Health Issues.
#7. Behaviorial Health seminar
#8, and #9 are practams for those seminars.
#10. I already took Psychology.
I've had all of the math, and the A and P, is the only science required.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/25/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
> I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because you
> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If you
> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then sure.
> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this list,
> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
> should not stop you.
>
> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who are
> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
> community colleges, or universities.
>
> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High school
> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my degree.
> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to Braille
> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I got
> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
> passed.
>
> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband is
> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>
> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make your
> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might need
> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>
> Just my two cents what it is worth,
> Marsha
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of David
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>
> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I am
> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion, but
> I feel it worth saying.
> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong reasons.
> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even if
> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral Health,
> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements are
> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based on
> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you reconsider
> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as you
> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just fulfill
> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
> professors push you around.
> David Bouchard
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>> I feel great!
>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Joushua,
>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
> When
>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about
>>>> it!
>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> m
>>>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 20:00:52 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:00:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
References: <CAO83KOt21r=vdsgHd7+XQ5w64JPiD0Jgr7WyUxNuBDs-_o9=Eg@mail.gmail.com><7FA49A01D80A4E619165D378EF29B3E2@Gloria><CAO83KOu04J-+26tQ-iFVeXRpbaMMM8+P_Qe2irhZEA4kwGPOSQ@mail.gmail.com><511CC69B-B016-4169-BDFB-A9190907B9D4@gmail.com>
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Hi,
In this post I read there are list for blind persons taking math and they 
also would be interested in tutoring. Is that the same for psych students?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!


>I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because 
>you
> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If you
> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then 
> sure.
> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this list,
> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
> should not stop you.
>
> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who 
> are
> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
> community colleges, or universities.
>
> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High 
> school
> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my 
> degree.
> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to 
> Braille
> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I got
> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
> passed.
>
> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband is
> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>
> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make 
> your
> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might 
> need
> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>
> Just my two cents what it is worth,
> Marsha
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of David
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>
> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I 
> am
> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion, 
> but
> I feel it worth saying.
> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong 
> reasons.
> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even if
> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral 
> Health,
> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements are
> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based 
> on
> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you reconsider
> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as 
> you
> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just 
> fulfill
> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
> professors push you around.
> David Bouchard
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester 
> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>> I feel great!
>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Joushua,
>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
> When
>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about
>>>> it!
>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
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> m
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 20:17:47 2012
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:17:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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I'm going for a doctorate in theology, and I can tell you the work is 
challenging, but it is doable! I don't think blindness is the issue. Its 
whether you feel you can do the work or not. Sighted people do the same 
thing. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!


> Hi,
> In this post I read there are list for blind persons taking math and they 
> also would be interested in tutoring. Is that the same for psych students?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!
>
>
>>I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because 
>>you
>> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If 
>> you
>> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then 
>> sure.
>> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
>> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this 
>> list,
>> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
>> should not stop you.
>>
>> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who 
>> are
>> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
>> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
>> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
>> community colleges, or universities.
>>
>> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High 
>> school
>> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my 
>> degree.
>> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
>> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
>> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to 
>> Braille
>> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I 
>> got
>> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
>> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
>> passed.
>>
>> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband 
>> is
>> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>>
>> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make 
>> your
>> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might 
>> need
>> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>>
>> Just my two cents what it is worth,
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of David
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>>
>> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I 
>> am
>> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion, 
>> but
>> I feel it worth saying.
>> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong 
>> reasons.
>> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
>> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
>> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even 
>> if
>> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
>> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral 
>> Health,
>> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
>> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
>> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements 
>> are
>> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
>> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based 
>> on
>> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you 
>> reconsider
>> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
>> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as 
>> you
>> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just 
>> fulfill
>> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
>> professors push you around.
>> David Bouchard
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester 
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>>> I feel great!
>>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Joushua,
>>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>> When
>>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great 
>>>>> about
>>>>> it!
>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 20:36:11 2012
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:36:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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Sorry I didn't mean that they will tutor you, but on that list, there are
tutors who help blind students with math. I am not aware of a list for
psychology students for tutoring. Can you take advantage of the tutoring
services at your college? 




-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Gloria G
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:01 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

Hi,
In this post I read there are list for blind persons taking math and they 
also would be interested in tutoring. Is that the same for psych students?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!


>I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because 
>you
> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If you
> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then 
> sure.
> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this list,
> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
> should not stop you.
>
> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who 
> are
> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
> community colleges, or universities.
>
> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High 
> school
> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my 
> degree.
> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to 
> Braille
> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I got
> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
> passed.
>
> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband is
> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>
> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make 
> your
> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might 
> need
> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>
> Just my two cents what it is worth,
> Marsha
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of David
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>
> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I 
> am
> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion, 
> but
> I feel it worth saying.
> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong 
> reasons.
> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even if
> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral 
> Health,
> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements are
> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based 
> on
> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you reconsider
> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as 
> you
> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just 
> fulfill
> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
> professors push you around.
> David Bouchard
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester 
> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>> I feel great!
>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Joushua,
>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
> When
>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about
>>>> it!
>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 20:36:11 2012
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:36:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Semenary RE:  It's official!
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Which seminary are you attending? 

Marsha

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of RJ Sandefur
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:18 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

I'm going for a doctorate in theology, and I can tell you the work is 
challenging, but it is doable! I don't think blindness is the issue. Its 
whether you feel you can do the work or not. Sighted people do the same 
thing. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!


> Hi,
> In this post I read there are list for blind persons taking math and they 
> also would be interested in tutoring. Is that the same for psych students?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!
>
>
>>I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because 
>>you
>> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If 
>> you
>> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then 
>> sure.
>> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
>> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this 
>> list,
>> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
>> should not stop you.
>>
>> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who 
>> are
>> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
>> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
>> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
>> community colleges, or universities.
>>
>> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High 
>> school
>> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my 
>> degree.
>> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
>> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
>> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to 
>> Braille
>> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I 
>> got
>> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
>> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
>> passed.
>>
>> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband 
>> is
>> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>>
>> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make 
>> your
>> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might 
>> need
>> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>>
>> Just my two cents what it is worth,
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of David
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>>
>> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I 
>> am
>> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion, 
>> but
>> I feel it worth saying.
>> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong 
>> reasons.
>> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
>> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
>> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even 
>> if
>> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
>> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral 
>> Health,
>> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
>> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
>> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements 
>> are
>> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
>> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based

>> on
>> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you 
>> reconsider
>> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
>> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as 
>> you
>> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just 
>> fulfill
>> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
>> professors push you around.
>> David Bouchard
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester 
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>>> I feel great!
>>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Joushua,
>>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>> When
>>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great 
>>>>> about
>>>>> it!
>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 25 20:45:21 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:45:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: February - Virtual Recruitment through
	webinarsessions
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I wondered that too; I saw no link or attachment with the hiring info

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mary Fernandez
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 2:52 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: February - Virtual Recruitment through 
webinarsessions

Hey Keisha, is there supposed to be an attachment with this? I only
see Isaiah's written in message...
Thanks.
Mary


On 1/24/12, LaKeisha Holmes <lakeisha.renee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "Isaiah G. Wilcox" <isaiahgwilcox at gmail.com>
>> Date: January 24, 2012 7:40:12 PM EST
>> To: Keisha Holmes <lakeisha.renee at gmail.com>, Nikki Jackson
>> <dnjackson22 at gmail.com>, Jo Ann Collins <jcollins at nfbga.org>, Beverly
>> Hunter <bhunter at nfbga.org>, Anil Lewis <alewis at nfb.org>, Rosy Carranza
>> <RCarranza at nfb.org>
>> Subject: Fwd: February - Virtual Recruitment through webinar sessions
>>
>>>
>> FYA,
>> I received this e-mails regarding new opportunities for students who may
>> be interested in working for the federal government.  Please pass this
>> info on!
>> Thanks,
>> Isaiah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> LaKeisha Holmes
> President
> Georgia Association of Blind Students
> Phone: 404.580.3040
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> problem
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 20:49:56 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:49:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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Hi,
I will, but I was just wanting to talk to psych students on the list
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!


> Sorry I didn't mean that they will tutor you, but on that list, there are
> tutors who help blind students with math. I am not aware of a list for
> psychology students for tutoring. Can you take advantage of the tutoring
> services at your college?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Gloria G
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:01 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!
>
> Hi,
> In this post I read there are list for blind persons taking math and they
> also would be interested in tutoring. Is that the same for psych students?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!
>
>
>>I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because
>>you
>> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If 
>> you
>> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then
>> sure.
>> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
>> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this 
>> list,
>> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
>> should not stop you.
>>
>> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who
>> are
>> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
>> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
>> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
>> community colleges, or universities.
>>
>> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High
>> school
>> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my
>> degree.
>> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
>> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
>> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to
>> Braille
>> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I 
>> got
>> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
>> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
>> passed.
>>
>> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband 
>> is
>> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>>
>> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make
>> your
>> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might
>> need
>> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>>
>> Just my two cents what it is worth,
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of David
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>>
>> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I
>> am
>> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion,
>> but
>> I feel it worth saying.
>> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong
>> reasons.
>> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
>> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
>> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even 
>> if
>> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
>> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral
>> Health,
>> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
>> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
>> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements 
>> are
>> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
>> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based
>> on
>> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you 
>> reconsider
>> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
>> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as
>> you
>> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just
>> fulfill
>> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
>> professors push you around.
>> David Bouchard
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>>> I feel great!
>>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Joushua,
>>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>> When
>>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great 
>>>>> about
>>>>> it!
>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 20:58:52 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:58:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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Hi Gloria and all,
I'm an experimental social psych grad student and can answer questions
off-list or by phone. I also tutor psych professionally, and would be
willing to offer assistance to NABS members with their psych
coursework at no charge if you feel email or phone tutoring would be
helpful. You can email me at
arielle71 at gmail.com
or call me at
602-502-2255
One of these days when I have more free time (if that ever happens) I
would like to think about forming an NFB division for blind social
scientists and researchers. I think we share enough issues with
technology, stats, etc. that having such a division would be helpful.
But it doesn't exist yet. There is a division for human service
professionals, however, which includes people interested in doing
therapy or social work (also psych-related, but a little different
than what I do). I am not sure who their president is at the moment,
but they're listed on the "divisions" page of the NFB website,
www.nfb.org

Best,
Arielle

On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I will, but I was just wanting to talk to psych students on the list
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!
>
>
>> Sorry I didn't mean that they will tutor you, but on that list, there are
>> tutors who help blind students with math. I am not aware of a list for
>> psychology students for tutoring. Can you take advantage of the tutoring
>> services at your college?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Gloria G
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:01 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>
>> Hi,
>> In this post I read there are list for blind persons taking math and they
>> also would be interested in tutoring. Is that the same for psych students?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>
>>
>>>I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because
>>>you
>>> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If
>>> you
>>> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then
>>> sure.
>>> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
>>> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this
>>> list,
>>> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
>>> should not stop you.
>>>
>>> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who
>>> are
>>> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
>>> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
>>> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
>>> community colleges, or universities.
>>>
>>> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High
>>> school
>>> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my
>>> degree.
>>> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
>>> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
>>> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to
>>> Braille
>>> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I
>>> got
>>> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
>>> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
>>> passed.
>>>
>>> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband
>>> is
>>> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>>>
>>> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make
>>> your
>>> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might
>>> need
>>> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>>>
>>> Just my two cents what it is worth,
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of David
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>>>
>>> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I
>>> am
>>> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion,
>>> but
>>> I feel it worth saying.
>>> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong
>>> reasons.
>>> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
>>> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
>>> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even
>>> if
>>> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
>>> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral
>>> Health,
>>> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
>>> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
>>> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements
>>> are
>>> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
>>> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based
>>> on
>>> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you
>>> reconsider
>>> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
>>> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as
>>> you
>>> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just
>>> fulfill
>>> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
>>> professors push you around.
>>> David Bouchard
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester
>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>>>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>>>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>>>> I feel great!
>>>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Joushua,
>>>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>>> When
>>>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> it!
>>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> m
>>>>>>
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 20:59:06 2012
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:59:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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Oh I get it. There is a dedicated list for those people in the Human
services field, that goes for psychology students too. If you go to nfbnet
you will find the humanservices list there. 




-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Gloria G
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

Hi,
I will, but I was just wanting to talk to psych students on the list
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!


> Sorry I didn't mean that they will tutor you, but on that list, there are
> tutors who help blind students with math. I am not aware of a list for
> psychology students for tutoring. Can you take advantage of the tutoring
> services at your college?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Gloria G
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:01 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!
>
> Hi,
> In this post I read there are list for blind persons taking math and they
> also would be interested in tutoring. Is that the same for psych students?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!
>
>
>>I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because
>>you
>> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If 
>> you
>> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then
>> sure.
>> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
>> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this 
>> list,
>> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
>> should not stop you.
>>
>> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who
>> are
>> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
>> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
>> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
>> community colleges, or universities.
>>
>> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High
>> school
>> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my
>> degree.
>> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
>> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
>> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to
>> Braille
>> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I 
>> got
>> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
>> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
>> passed.
>>
>> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband 
>> is
>> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>>
>> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make
>> your
>> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might
>> need
>> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>>
>> Just my two cents what it is worth,
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of David
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>>
>> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I
>> am
>> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion,
>> but
>> I feel it worth saying.
>> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong
>> reasons.
>> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
>> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
>> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even 
>> if
>> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
>> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral
>> Health,
>> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
>> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
>> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements 
>> are
>> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
>> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based
>> on
>> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you 
>> reconsider
>> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
>> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as
>> you
>> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just
>> fulfill
>> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
>> professors push you around.
>> David Bouchard
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>>> I feel great!
>>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Joushua,
>>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>> When
>>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great 
>>>>> about
>>>>> it!
>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 21:20:46 2012
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:20:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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Hi Ariell,
I am so glad to hear that. I will be contacting you and hank you for your 
help because as you know psych can be a bit challenging some times 
especially when having to read charts and graphs to collect data.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!


> Hi Gloria and all,
> I'm an experimental social psych grad student and can answer questions
> off-list or by phone. I also tutor psych professionally, and would be
> willing to offer assistance to NABS members with their psych
> coursework at no charge if you feel email or phone tutoring would be
> helpful. You can email me at
> arielle71 at gmail.com
> or call me at
> 602-502-2255
> One of these days when I have more free time (if that ever happens) I
> would like to think about forming an NFB division for blind social
> scientists and researchers. I think we share enough issues with
> technology, stats, etc. that having such a division would be helpful.
> But it doesn't exist yet. There is a division for human service
> professionals, however, which includes people interested in doing
> therapy or social work (also psych-related, but a little different
> than what I do). I am not sure who their president is at the moment,
> but they're listed on the "divisions" page of the NFB website,
> www.nfb.org
>
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I will, but I was just wanting to talk to psych students on the list
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 2:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>
>>
>>> Sorry I didn't mean that they will tutor you, but on that list, there 
>>> are
>>> tutors who help blind students with math. I am not aware of a list for
>>> psychology students for tutoring. Can you take advantage of the tutoring
>>> services at your college?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Gloria G
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:01 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> In this post I read there are list for blind persons taking math and 
>>> they
>>> also would be interested in tutoring. Is that the same for psych 
>>> students?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>
>>>
>>>>I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because
>>>>you
>>>> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If
>>>> you
>>>> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then
>>>> sure.
>>>> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, 
>>>> is
>>>> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this
>>>> list,
>>>> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those 
>>>> subjects
>>>> should not stop you.
>>>>
>>>> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students 
>>>> who
>>>> are
>>>> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
>>>> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
>>>> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, 
>>>> or
>>>> community colleges, or universities.
>>>>
>>>> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High
>>>> school
>>>> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my
>>>> degree.
>>>> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
>>>> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
>>>> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to
>>>> Braille
>>>> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I
>>>> got
>>>> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. 
>>>> Three
>>>> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
>>>> passed.
>>>>
>>>> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband
>>>> is
>>>> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>>>>
>>>> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make
>>>> your
>>>> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might
>>>> need
>>>> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>>>>
>>>> Just my two cents what it is worth,
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of David
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>>>>
>>>> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What 
>>>> I
>>>> am
>>>> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion,
>>>> but
>>>> I feel it worth saying.
>>>> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong
>>>> reasons.
>>>> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
>>>> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. 
>>>> That's
>>>> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even
>>>> if
>>>> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele 
>>>> you
>>>> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral
>>>> Health,
>>>> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your 
>>>> blindness.
>>>> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, 
>>>> and
>>>> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements
>>>> are
>>>> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
>>>> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors 
>>>> based
>>>> on
>>>> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you
>>>> reconsider
>>>> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
>>>> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as
>>>> you
>>>> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just
>>>> fulfill
>>>> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
>>>> professors push you around.
>>>> David Bouchard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester
>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>>>>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>>>>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>>>>> I feel great!
>>>>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Joushua,
>>>>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in 
>>>>>> college?
>>>> When
>>>>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> it!
>>>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I 
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>> m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Wed Jan 25 22:56:34 2012
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:56:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
Message-ID: <auto-000005542837@mailback4.g2host.com>

I believe you may already be saying this, but I want to make sure it is clear.  The purpose of the 
BlindMath list is to be a resource for information specific to blind persons taking math, but this 
doesn't mean general tutoring questions.  We also discuss issues related to math text accessibility and 
the on-going work in that area.  One's best resource is to investigate the tutoring resources within 
one's school.  It is very likely that the tutors available will not have any experience with blind 
persons and the student and the tutor will have to work out techniques to get the information needed.  
This is not really a bad thing, though, because as blind people we're going to have to develop the 
ability to know how to interact with people to get the information we need, particularly in an 
employment situation.  "Reasonable accommodations" only go so far, and they likely do not mean that an 
employer has to hire people having experience with blind persons to interact with a blind employee, for 
example.  None of the above means that there are not people on the BlindMath and other lists who won't 
help, there are.  I have seen Arielle's very generous offer, for example, and she could be of a lot of 
help in getting on the way to being able to use the tutors available at one's school.  Certainly charts 
and graphs are a challenge.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:36:11 -0500, Marsha Drenth wrote:

>Sorry I didn't mean that they will tutor you, but on that list, there are
>tutors who help blind students with math. I am not aware of a list for
>psychology students for tutoring. Can you take advantage of the tutoring
>services at your college? 




>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Gloria G
>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:01 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

>Hi,
>In this post I read there are list for blind persons taking math and they 
>also would be interested in tutoring. Is that the same for psych students?
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!


>>I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because 
>>you
>> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If you
>> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then 
>> sure.
>> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
>> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this list,
>> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
>> should not stop you.
>>
>> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who 
>> are
>> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
>> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
>> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
>> community colleges, or universities.
>>
>> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High 
>> school
>> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my 
>> degree.
>> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
>> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
>> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to 
>> Braille
>> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I got
>> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
>> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
>> passed.
>>
>> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband is
>> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>>
>> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make 
>> your
>> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might 
>> need
>> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>>
>> Just my two cents what it is worth,
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of David
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>>
>> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I 
>> am
>> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion, 
>> but
>> I feel it worth saying.
>> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong 
>> reasons.
>> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
>> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
>> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even if
>> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
>> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral 
>> Health,
>> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
>> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
>> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements are
>> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
>> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based 
>> on
>> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you reconsider
>> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
>> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as 
>> you
>> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just 
>> fulfill
>> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
>> professors push you around.
>> David Bouchard
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester 
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>>> I feel great!
>>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Joushua,
>>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>> When
>>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about
>>>>> it!
>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 00:45:03 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:45:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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OK, Joshua didn't change his major. He decided to get a degree instead of an associates degree or certificate. In the end it doesn't matter why he's doing it, because it's probably a good choice...
On Jan 25, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:

> I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because you
> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If you
> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then sure.
> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this list,
> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
> should not stop you. 
> 
> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who are
> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
> community colleges, or universities. 
> 
> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High school
> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my degree.
> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to Braille
> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I got
> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
> passed. 
> 
> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband is
> blind, has a degree in mathematics. 
> 
> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make your
> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might need
> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then? 
> 
> Just my two cents what it is worth,
> Marsha 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of David
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
> 
> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I am
> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion, but
> I feel it worth saying.
> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong reasons.
> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even if
> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral Health,
> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements are
> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based on
> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you reconsider
> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as you
> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just fulfill
> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
> professors push you around.
> David Bouchard
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>> I feel great!
>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>> 
>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Joushua,
>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
> When
>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about
>>>> it!
>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 01:00:48 2012
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:00:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Wheelchairs was Re: Why is it important to join an
	organization of theblind?
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I know this email is old but still… What happens with airports is that the only way they have on their system to indicate that a passenger needs assistance is to ask for a wheelchair. Most of the time they perfectly know I don't need the wheelchair, but they say it's the only way to make sure someone will show up. Sometimes I try not getting any assistance, but if I'm trying to make it to a rehearsal on time or something it just makes things faster.
On Jan 18, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:

> OMG, there is nothing that I hate more than when people think that I need a wheelchair. At some point I plan to do research on this, but it might be that when you tell the people at the airport on the departure end that you will need assistance at your destination, they think that this means that you will need a wheelchair.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of theblind?
> 
> 
>> Hi Chris and all,
>> This is a good topic. Like others have said, it's important to respect
>> the range of preferences people have with regard to joining
>> organizations and giving up their time toward causes. Some people,
>> sighted and blind alike, are not joiners at all. Some join a few
>> social groups, some join one or two advocacy efforts, some juggle
>> several organizational memberships and some seek leadership roles in
>> one or more of these groups. Some people who join our Federation
>> choose to participate only in the social and networking aspects, some
>> do fund-raising, others work primarily on legislation, and some are
>> able to give their time to all aspects of the organization. In other
>> words, there is no one best or right way to become affiliated with the
>> blind community.
>> I think it's clear that we need to form advocacy groups because we
>> have not yet achieved full equality with the sighted. We have the
>> potential to be equal but that potential has not yet been realized. As
>> a group we are underemployed, undereducated, we miss out on social and
>> recreational opportunities and there are whole classes of work and
>> play activities that are still not accessible to us. This comes
>> largely from psychological, societal and environmental barriers that
>> can be changed, so our task as a collective is to figure out how to
>> bring these barriers down.
>> Yet I don't think the only reason to organize is for advocacy. There
>> is also something very affirming and empowering about having social
>> connections with other blind folks. As individuals we are often
>> inundated with messages from others telling us we aren't as good or as
>> competent as sighted people. Support from a group of blind friends can
>> help us recognize our own capacity and worth even when important
>> people in society do not. When someone pats me on the arm as I'm
>> walking down the street and tells me I'm doing a nice job, or when the
>> airline attendant wants to herd me into a wheelchair, it's really
>> great to know I can laugh about it with other blind people, that I'm
>> not the only person who has experienced this and that the stranger's
>> condescension doesn't actually mean anything about my capabilities.
>> Most of the time when we go through school and work we are visibly
>> different from everyone else around us, and are usually quite aware of
>> this fact. There is something special about being one of many who are
>> like us and who don't treat us differently or like we are inferior
>> because we are blind. I believe this is a large part of the "magic"
>> that many of us describe happening during NFB conventions. We feel the
>> excitement of the advocacy cause, of knowing what we can do to change
>> what it means to be blind, but we also feel the joy of being in a
>> situation where we are in the majority and where the community around
>> us doesn't make assumptions about us just because we are blind.
>> There are also concrete, practical benefits each of us can get from
>> joining an organization of the blind, whether it be NFB, ACB or
>> another group. As others have pointed out, we learn a lot from other
>> blind people who have been in similar situations. We also benefit when
>> other blind people advocate on our behalf. I think most Federationists
>> I know could list at least one concrete opportunity they gained as a
>> result of joining the NFB. Some people gain jobs they didn't know a
>> blind person could do before they joined up. Others gain access to
>> tests or licenses, or get their babies back from Social Services. I
>> could list two specific opportunities I got as a direct result of
>> joining the NFB. First, I gained the opportunity to attend the
>> graduate school of my choice in a state I had never lived in before.
>> Prior to joining NFB, I thought that for a blind person, learning
>> one's way around a new city was an arduous task requiring years of O&M
>> lessons. I doubt I would have attempted it if I had not met
>> Federationists who did it with no problems, and if I had not attended
>> LCB, which I learned about from Federationists. Second, I have to say,
>> I went through high school and most of college without experiencing
>> any, um, romantic opportunities. True, there are things I could have
>> done differently in those days to get some action, but I know I'm not
>> the only blind person who has had this difficulty. After hanging out
>> in NFB for a few years I met a few blind guys who didn't immediately
>> write me off as a romantic partner because I was blind, and so I was
>> able to experience the joys of dating and intimacy. Even though I am
>> now dating someone sighted (whom, by the way, I met at my
>> aforementioned grad school) I am very appreciative of those
>> experiences and all that I learned from them. (And of course we can't
>> forget all the happy couples out there whose meeting would be
>> impossible without NFB).
>> So, in short, organizations of the blind help us attain equal
>> opportunities. They help us collectively through legislation,
>> education and other means, but they also help us as individuals, by
>> enabling us to share experiences and by acting as a forum for
>> emotional support and empowerment. The question remains, If we reach
>> the day where the blind are truly equal in every way-when none of us
>> ever experience discrimination, when everything is nonvisually
>> accessible and when people never use blindness as a basis for judging
>> our abilities-will we need organizations of the blind? I suspect
>> probably not, though we might still enjoy hanging out with others who
>> use Braille and canes just for the heck of it. I think anyone can
>> benefit from joining an organization of the blind, but some don't feel
>> drawn to do so and I would respect their preferences on that. We also
>> don't have to be at the top of the organization or putting in
>> tremendous amounts of time to make a difference in the lives of other
>> blind people. We can make a difference just by sharing our
>> experiences, by listening to and supporting one another.
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>> 
>> On 1/17/12, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Chris,
>>> 
>>> You pose very interesting and valid questions. Most of us have met
>>> people who are blind and adopt a similar attitude as the people you
>>> describe. There are many reasons why people do and do not join an
>>> organization, but we must look at what the purpose of these
>>> organizations are.
>>> 
>>> First, sighted people do develop, promote and advocate for many issues.
>>> Now, most of these groups have a blend of people with plenty of
>>> diversity, but many ethnic and racial groups have organizations
>>> dedicated to serving minorities and the issues and causes important to
>>> them. As a type 1 diabetic, I've been involved in diabetic groups
>>> advocating for better care, encouraging research and providing
>>> education; I did this sighted. There are other health-related groups
>>> doing similar work. And the list goes on and on. We often fail to see
>>> the other perspective especially with blindness. People focus on this,
>>> forgetting many organizations exist doing similar work. The Federation
>>> is not unique in terms of an advocacy group promoting causes and
>>> initiatives.
>>> 
>>> Now, the initial goals of the Federation were to promote independence,
>>> work towards changing attitudes and serving as a political platform for
>>> blind causes led by those with the experience of being blind. So, first
>>> and foremost, a group like the NFB is dedicated to political activism
>>> and advocacy. Despite the growing number of divisions within the
>>> Federation catering to various interests, the priority of the Federation
>>> has always been to promote and advocate the ideas and causes important
>>> to Federation members.
>>> 
>>> That we meet other blind people, having opportunities to network, is
>>> essential to the growth and success of the Federation because we need
>>> each generation to adopt healthy, positive mindsets about blindness. The
>>> social aspect, however, is secondary to the political element. Not
>>> everyone joins to be politically active. In my experience, a majority of
>>> people join the Federation purely for social reasons, though many
>>> eventually come to understand the importance of an active voice
>>> advocating for equal rights and fair treatment of the blind. This has
>>> been debated again and again, but at the fundamental level, an
>>> organization like the NFB is similar to those groups fighting for
>>> equality among other minority groups. We've been labeled second-class
>>> citizens for years, not always given opportunities and our abilities are
>>> questioned and doubted. So we stand up and demand equality.
>>> 
>>> That we have a chance to network and ask questions of those with
>>> experience, is a benefit to joining the Federation. You have a support
>>> system backing you, ready to help in any way. For example, we've heard a
>>> lot about law students denied bar exams in an accessible mode they
>>> prefer. The Federation has stepped in to take legal action, assisting
>>> those law students and others to come. The couple in Missouri whose
>>> newborn was taken by CPS a couple of years ago for no reason other than
>>> both parents were blind. The Federation also stepped in to help take
>>> legal action along with the couple. As technology grows, we struggle
>>> more and more as blind consumers to use current technology due to the
>>> lack of accessibility. Again, the NFB is fighting to change this,
>>> demanding equal access for all consumers. As well as taking legal
>>> action, the Federation provides advocacy and education.
>>> 
>>> Many feel Federationist are Nazi-like in their fervor about
>>> independence. True, many are more combative which does not lead to a
>>> nurturing environment allowing others to adopt independent ideals. The
>>> truth is, though, that the NFB supports independence in any way
>>> providing you with efficiency. Unfortunately, many of us could benefit
>>> from alternative techniques, which many refuse to learn or use on a
>>> regular basis. In my experience, and having once been a "partial," often
>>> the alternative skills truly do make one more efficient than using
>>> useable vision, and this is why the Federation seems, at times, to be
>>> against sight, but it's actually the contrary. If you're being
>>> independent, living your life, not caving into stereotypes and negative
>>> attitudes, the Federation supports this way of life. The Federation
>>> expects us to grow and challenge ourselves as ours peers challenge us
>>> likewise. This is one of the huge differences I see between the NFB and
>>> other organizations of the blind; we're not expected to stay where we
>>> are; we're urged to move forward, carving a path before us, challenging
>>> ourselves to strive for new and greater heights.
>>> 
>>> So why am I a Federationist? Because I'm not content to sit idly by
>>> letting others make decisions for me. I'm not content to feel entitled
>>> to services, legislation and technology that I had no say in, no
>>> contribution to changes. I don't want to watch a chef cook, I want to
>>> roll my sleeves up and get my hands in the mix. Networking with fellow
>>> blind people and learning what we are all doing is great, but I want to
>>> affect change, and I want to be a part of that change. It's not about
>>> isolating ourselves from society and forming an elite group made up of
>>> people who are blind; it's in fact about encouraging and fostering
>>> integration. We are people with dreams, desires and interests; that we
>>> are blind is but one attribute of our being. I wasn't always blind, and
>>> when I lost my sight, I didn't change who I am. My interest and goals
>>> are the same; I now just accomplish certain things with different
>>> methods and tools at times.
>>> 
>>> We all have to decide what we believe in and why. I believe it's
>>> important to analyze and question beliefs and ideas in order to truly
>>> digest it. Only then can we form decisions based on our own ideas and
>>> opinions rather than any thoughts and opinions thrust on us whether
>>> unwillingly or not. I think we all need to understand that the
>>> Federation's priority is advocacy and education; when we know this, it
>>> can make it easier to explain the Federation and its purpose. Despite
>>> the plethora of members affiliated predominantly for social reasons ,
>>> this does not change the goals and direction of the collective group, of
>>> the heart. We've not been accepted as equals, as people just as capable,
>>> so we created an organization dedicated to breaking barriers and
>>> demanding equality just like many other groups. Anyone curious about the
>>> Federation, wanting to join, should understand that first and foremost,
>>> the Federation is a political group determined to use advocacy,
>>> legislation and education to change what it means to be blind, and fight
>>> for our equality.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>> Read my blog at:
>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>> 
>>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>> 
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:36:38 -0500
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> To: NFB Talk List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>, NFB Blind Talk list
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, NFB NABS list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of the
>>> blind?
>>> Message-ID: <4f14d0d5.54dfe00a.0ef7.ffffd34b at mx.google.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> Fellow Federationists,
>>> 
>>> As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
>>> have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of blind
>>> people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind, for
>>> one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
>>> political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
>>> want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
>>> with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
>>> themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
>>> there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
>>> value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
>>> organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
>>> resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
>>> have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that if
>>> they had any problems, being a part of an organization would help
>>> them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
>>> advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
>>> don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
>>> get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
>>> important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of what
>>> benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
>>> people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
>>> don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
>>> sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
>>> blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
>>> want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
>>> (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
>>> exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
>>> blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
>>> responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
>>> thoughts on this!
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 26 01:02:45 2012
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:02:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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Hi Steve,
But the students could network and do tutoring off list. The list is a good 
way for connections since often we are the only blind student on campus.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 5:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

I believe you may already be saying this, but I want to make sure it is 
clear.  The purpose of the
BlindMath list is to be a resource for information specific to blind persons 
taking math, but this
doesn't mean general tutoring questions.  We also discuss issues related to 
math text accessibility and
the on-going work in that area.  One's best resource is to investigate the 
tutoring resources within
one's school.  It is very likely that the tutors available will not have any 
experience with blind
persons and the student and the tutor will have to work out techniques to 
get the information needed.
This is not really a bad thing, though, because as blind people we're going 
to have to develop the
ability to know how to interact with people to get the information we need, 
particularly in an
employment situation.  "Reasonable accommodations" only go so far, and they 
likely do not mean that an
employer has to hire people having experience with blind persons to interact 
with a blind employee, for
example.  None of the above means that there are not people on the BlindMath 
and other lists who won't
help, there are.  I have seen Arielle's very generous offer, for example, 
and she could be of a lot of
help in getting on the way to being able to use the tutors available at 
one's school.  Certainly charts
and graphs are a challenge.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:36:11 -0500, Marsha Drenth wrote:

>Sorry I didn't mean that they will tutor you, but on that list, there are
>tutors who help blind students with math. I am not aware of a list for
>psychology students for tutoring. Can you take advantage of the tutoring
>services at your college?




>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>Behalf
>Of Gloria G
>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:01 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

>Hi,
>In this post I read there are list for blind persons taking math and they
>also would be interested in tutoring. Is that the same for psych students?
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!


>>I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because
>>you
>> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If 
>> you
>> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then
>> sure.
>> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
>> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this 
>> list,
>> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
>> should not stop you.
>>
>> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who
>> are
>> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
>> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
>> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
>> community colleges, or universities.
>>
>> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High
>> school
>> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my
>> degree.
>> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
>> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
>> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to
>> Braille
>> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I 
>> got
>> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
>> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
>> passed.
>>
>> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband 
>> is
>> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>>
>> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make
>> your
>> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might
>> need
>> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>>
>> Just my two cents what it is worth,
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of David
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>>
>> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I
>> am
>> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion,
>> but
>> I feel it worth saying.
>> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong
>> reasons.
>> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
>> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
>> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even 
>> if
>> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
>> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral
>> Health,
>> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
>> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
>> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements 
>> are
>> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
>> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based
>> on
>> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you 
>> reconsider
>> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
>> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as
>> you
>> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just
>> fulfill
>> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
>> professors push you around.
>> David Bouchard
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>>> I feel great!
>>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Joushua,
>>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>> When
>>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great 
>>>>> about
>>>>> it!
>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Thu Jan 26 01:06:59 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:06:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Wheelchairs was Re: Why is it important to join
	anorganization of theblind?
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Then why hasn't anyone talked to the airports about this?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ignasi Cambra Díaz" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wheelchairs was Re: Why is it important to join 
anorganization of theblind?


I know this email is old but still… What happens with airports is that the 
only way they have on their system to indicate that a passenger needs 
assistance is to ask for a wheelchair. Most of the time they perfectly know 
I don't need the wheelchair, but they say it's the only way to make sure 
someone will show up. Sometimes I try not getting any assistance, but if I'm 
trying to make it to a rehearsal on time or something it just makes things 
faster.
On Jan 18, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:

> OMG, there is nothing that I hate more than when people think that I need 
> a wheelchair. At some point I plan to do research on this, but it might be 
> that when you tell the people at the airport on the departure end that you 
> will need assistance at your destination, they think that this means that 
> you will need a wheelchair.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" 
> <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why is it important to join an organization of 
> theblind?
>
>
>> Hi Chris and all,
>> This is a good topic. Like others have said, it's important to respect
>> the range of preferences people have with regard to joining
>> organizations and giving up their time toward causes. Some people,
>> sighted and blind alike, are not joiners at all. Some join a few
>> social groups, some join one or two advocacy efforts, some juggle
>> several organizational memberships and some seek leadership roles in
>> one or more of these groups. Some people who join our Federation
>> choose to participate only in the social and networking aspects, some
>> do fund-raising, others work primarily on legislation, and some are
>> able to give their time to all aspects of the organization. In other
>> words, there is no one best or right way to become affiliated with the
>> blind community.
>> I think it's clear that we need to form advocacy groups because we
>> have not yet achieved full equality with the sighted. We have the
>> potential to be equal but that potential has not yet been realized. As
>> a group we are underemployed, undereducated, we miss out on social and
>> recreational opportunities and there are whole classes of work and
>> play activities that are still not accessible to us. This comes
>> largely from psychological, societal and environmental barriers that
>> can be changed, so our task as a collective is to figure out how to
>> bring these barriers down.
>> Yet I don't think the only reason to organize is for advocacy. There
>> is also something very affirming and empowering about having social
>> connections with other blind folks. As individuals we are often
>> inundated with messages from others telling us we aren't as good or as
>> competent as sighted people. Support from a group of blind friends can
>> help us recognize our own capacity and worth even when important
>> people in society do not. When someone pats me on the arm as I'm
>> walking down the street and tells me I'm doing a nice job, or when the
>> airline attendant wants to herd me into a wheelchair, it's really
>> great to know I can laugh about it with other blind people, that I'm
>> not the only person who has experienced this and that the stranger's
>> condescension doesn't actually mean anything about my capabilities.
>> Most of the time when we go through school and work we are visibly
>> different from everyone else around us, and are usually quite aware of
>> this fact. There is something special about being one of many who are
>> like us and who don't treat us differently or like we are inferior
>> because we are blind. I believe this is a large part of the "magic"
>> that many of us describe happening during NFB conventions. We feel the
>> excitement of the advocacy cause, of knowing what we can do to change
>> what it means to be blind, but we also feel the joy of being in a
>> situation where we are in the majority and where the community around
>> us doesn't make assumptions about us just because we are blind.
>> There are also concrete, practical benefits each of us can get from
>> joining an organization of the blind, whether it be NFB, ACB or
>> another group. As others have pointed out, we learn a lot from other
>> blind people who have been in similar situations. We also benefit when
>> other blind people advocate on our behalf. I think most Federationists
>> I know could list at least one concrete opportunity they gained as a
>> result of joining the NFB. Some people gain jobs they didn't know a
>> blind person could do before they joined up. Others gain access to
>> tests or licenses, or get their babies back from Social Services. I
>> could list two specific opportunities I got as a direct result of
>> joining the NFB. First, I gained the opportunity to attend the
>> graduate school of my choice in a state I had never lived in before.
>> Prior to joining NFB, I thought that for a blind person, learning
>> one's way around a new city was an arduous task requiring years of O&M
>> lessons. I doubt I would have attempted it if I had not met
>> Federationists who did it with no problems, and if I had not attended
>> LCB, which I learned about from Federationists. Second, I have to say,
>> I went through high school and most of college without experiencing
>> any, um, romantic opportunities. True, there are things I could have
>> done differently in those days to get some action, but I know I'm not
>> the only blind person who has had this difficulty. After hanging out
>> in NFB for a few years I met a few blind guys who didn't immediately
>> write me off as a romantic partner because I was blind, and so I was
>> able to experience the joys of dating and intimacy. Even though I am
>> now dating someone sighted (whom, by the way, I met at my
>> aforementioned grad school) I am very appreciative of those
>> experiences and all that I learned from them. (And of course we can't
>> forget all the happy couples out there whose meeting would be
>> impossible without NFB).
>> So, in short, organizations of the blind help us attain equal
>> opportunities. They help us collectively through legislation,
>> education and other means, but they also help us as individuals, by
>> enabling us to share experiences and by acting as a forum for
>> emotional support and empowerment. The question remains, If we reach
>> the day where the blind are truly equal in every way-when none of us
>> ever experience discrimination, when everything is nonvisually
>> accessible and when people never use blindness as a basis for judging
>> our abilities-will we need organizations of the blind? I suspect
>> probably not, though we might still enjoy hanging out with others who
>> use Braille and canes just for the heck of it. I think anyone can
>> benefit from joining an organization of the blind, but some don't feel
>> drawn to do so and I would respect their preferences on that. We also
>> don't have to be at the top of the organization or putting in
>> tremendous amounts of time to make a difference in the lives of other
>> blind people. We can make a difference just by sharing our
>> experiences, by listening to and supporting one another.
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 1/17/12, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> You pose very interesting and valid questions. Most of us have met
>>> people who are blind and adopt a similar attitude as the people you
>>> describe. There are many reasons why people do and do not join an
>>> organization, but we must look at what the purpose of these
>>> organizations are.
>>>
>>> First, sighted people do develop, promote and advocate for many issues.
>>> Now, most of these groups have a blend of people with plenty of
>>> diversity, but many ethnic and racial groups have organizations
>>> dedicated to serving minorities and the issues and causes important to
>>> them. As a type 1 diabetic, I've been involved in diabetic groups
>>> advocating for better care, encouraging research and providing
>>> education; I did this sighted. There are other health-related groups
>>> doing similar work. And the list goes on and on. We often fail to see
>>> the other perspective especially with blindness. People focus on this,
>>> forgetting many organizations exist doing similar work. The Federation
>>> is not unique in terms of an advocacy group promoting causes and
>>> initiatives.
>>>
>>> Now, the initial goals of the Federation were to promote independence,
>>> work towards changing attitudes and serving as a political platform for
>>> blind causes led by those with the experience of being blind. So, first
>>> and foremost, a group like the NFB is dedicated to political activism
>>> and advocacy. Despite the growing number of divisions within the
>>> Federation catering to various interests, the priority of the Federation
>>> has always been to promote and advocate the ideas and causes important
>>> to Federation members.
>>>
>>> That we meet other blind people, having opportunities to network, is
>>> essential to the growth and success of the Federation because we need
>>> each generation to adopt healthy, positive mindsets about blindness. The
>>> social aspect, however, is secondary to the political element. Not
>>> everyone joins to be politically active. In my experience, a majority of
>>> people join the Federation purely for social reasons, though many
>>> eventually come to understand the importance of an active voice
>>> advocating for equal rights and fair treatment of the blind. This has
>>> been debated again and again, but at the fundamental level, an
>>> organization like the NFB is similar to those groups fighting for
>>> equality among other minority groups. We've been labeled second-class
>>> citizens for years, not always given opportunities and our abilities are
>>> questioned and doubted. So we stand up and demand equality.
>>>
>>> That we have a chance to network and ask questions of those with
>>> experience, is a benefit to joining the Federation. You have a support
>>> system backing you, ready to help in any way. For example, we've heard a
>>> lot about law students denied bar exams in an accessible mode they
>>> prefer. The Federation has stepped in to take legal action, assisting
>>> those law students and others to come. The couple in Missouri whose
>>> newborn was taken by CPS a couple of years ago for no reason other than
>>> both parents were blind. The Federation also stepped in to help take
>>> legal action along with the couple. As technology grows, we struggle
>>> more and more as blind consumers to use current technology due to the
>>> lack of accessibility. Again, the NFB is fighting to change this,
>>> demanding equal access for all consumers. As well as taking legal
>>> action, the Federation provides advocacy and education.
>>>
>>> Many feel Federationist are Nazi-like in their fervor about
>>> independence. True, many are more combative which does not lead to a
>>> nurturing environment allowing others to adopt independent ideals. The
>>> truth is, though, that the NFB supports independence in any way
>>> providing you with efficiency. Unfortunately, many of us could benefit
>>> from alternative techniques, which many refuse to learn or use on a
>>> regular basis. In my experience, and having once been a "partial," often
>>> the alternative skills truly do make one more efficient than using
>>> useable vision, and this is why the Federation seems, at times, to be
>>> against sight, but it's actually the contrary. If you're being
>>> independent, living your life, not caving into stereotypes and negative
>>> attitudes, the Federation supports this way of life. The Federation
>>> expects us to grow and challenge ourselves as ours peers challenge us
>>> likewise. This is one of the huge differences I see between the NFB and
>>> other organizations of the blind; we're not expected to stay where we
>>> are; we're urged to move forward, carving a path before us, challenging
>>> ourselves to strive for new and greater heights.
>>>
>>> So why am I a Federationist? Because I'm not content to sit idly by
>>> letting others make decisions for me. I'm not content to feel entitled
>>> to services, legislation and technology that I had no say in, no
>>> contribution to changes. I don't want to watch a chef cook, I want to
>>> roll my sleeves up and get my hands in the mix. Networking with fellow
>>> blind people and learning what we are all doing is great, but I want to
>>> affect change, and I want to be a part of that change. It's not about
>>> isolating ourselves from society and forming an elite group made up of
>>> people who are blind; it's in fact about encouraging and fostering
>>> integration. We are people with dreams, desires and interests; that we
>>> are blind is but one attribute of our being. I wasn't always blind, and
>>> when I lost my sight, I didn't change who I am. My interest and goals
>>> are the same; I now just accomplish certain things with different
>>> methods and tools at times.
>>>
>>> We all have to decide what we believe in and why. I believe it's
>>> important to analyze and question beliefs and ideas in order to truly
>>> digest it. Only then can we form decisions based on our own ideas and
>>> opinions rather than any thoughts and opinions thrust on us whether
>>> unwillingly or not. I think we all need to understand that the
>>> Federation's priority is advocacy and education; when we know this, it
>>> can make it easier to explain the Federation and its purpose. Despite
>>> the plethora of members affiliated predominantly for social reasons ,
>>> this does not change the goals and direction of the collective group, of
>>> the heart. We've not been accepted as equals, as people just as capable,
>>> so we created an organization dedicated to breaking barriers and
>>> demanding equality just like many other groups. Anyone curious about the
>>> Federation, wanting to join, should understand that first and foremost,
>>> the Federation is a political group determined to use advocacy,
>>> legislation and education to change what it means to be blind, and fight
>>> for our equality.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>> Read my blog at:
>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>>
>>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:36:38 -0500
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> To: NFB Talk List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>, NFB Blind Talk list
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, NFB NABS list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] why is it important to join an organization of the
>>> blind?
>>> Message-ID: <4f14d0d5.54dfe00a.0ef7.ffffd34b at mx.google.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Fellow Federationists,
>>>
>>> As I have become more and more active in the blind community and
>>> have met more and more blind people, I notice that a lot of blind
>>> people are not affiliated with any organization of the blind, for
>>> one reason or another.  Some say they are put off by the
>>> political arguments between the NFB and ACB; some say they don't
>>> want to be "tied" to one organization; some say they don't agree
>>> with either organization's philosophy and don't want to identify
>>> themselves with either organization and their philosophy, and
>>> there are other reasons as well.  I try to explain to them the
>>> value of the Federation in my life, and how joining an
>>> organization of the blind connects you with a diverse network of
>>> resources, who can help answer almost any question they would
>>> have related to blindness.  I also try to explain to them that if
>>> they had any problems, being a part of an organization would help
>>> them with their advocacy efforts; the more people you have
>>> advocating, the more effective the advocacy is.  But they still
>>> don't want to be affiliated with an organization.  So I want to
>>> get your thoughts on these questions; why do you think it is
>>> important to be a member of an organization of the blind? Of what
>>> benefit/value is an organization to its members, and to blind
>>> people at large? Some people have said to me, "Sighted people
>>> don't have any organizations dedicated to their concerns as
>>> sighted people; why should I join an organization dedicated to
>>> blindness?" Still others have said, "Don't you (Federationists)
>>> want to be equal with sighted people? If so, then why do we
>>> (blind people) need to be organized in some kind of organization
>>> exclusively of and for the blind and people associated with the
>>> blind?" These are some interesting questions; what would your
>>> responses be to those people? I look forward to hearing your
>>> thoughts on this!
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Thu Jan 26 03:04:57 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:04:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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Thanks, Ignasi.
I appreciate you clarifying what I've been saying.
This Behavioral Health degree can also help me, with something I've
always wnnted to do.
I'd like to work in the school system, with special needs children.
This will help me achieve that goal.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/25/12, Ignasi Cambra Díaz <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, Joshua didn't change his major. He decided to get a degree instead of an
> associates degree or certificate. In the end it doesn't matter why he's
> doing it, because it's probably a good choice...
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:
>
>> I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because
>> you
>> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If you
>> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then
>> sure.
>> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
>> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this list,
>> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
>> should not stop you.
>>
>> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who
>> are
>> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
>> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
>> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
>> community colleges, or universities.
>>
>> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High
>> school
>> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my
>> degree.
>> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
>> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
>> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to
>> Braille
>> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I got
>> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
>> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
>> passed.
>>
>> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband is
>> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>>
>> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make
>> your
>> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might
>> need
>> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>>
>> Just my two cents what it is worth,
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of David
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>>
>> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I
>> am
>> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion,
>> but
>> I feel it worth saying.
>> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong
>> reasons.
>> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
>> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
>> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even if
>> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
>> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral
>> Health,
>> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
>> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
>> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements are
>> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
>> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based
>> on
>> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you reconsider
>> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
>> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as
>> you
>> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just
>> fulfill
>> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
>> professors push you around.
>> David Bouchard
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>>> I feel great!
>>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Joushua,
>>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>> When
>>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great about
>>>>> it!
>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Thu Jan 26 03:45:53 2012
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:45:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
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Ashley,

The lists are a good resource, I agree, and you may well be able to get some off-list tutoring.  I just wanted to explain that the purpose of the BlindMath 
was not for on-list tutoring, and also, that you don't necessarily need someone who has work with blind people to be a tutor.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:02:45 -0500, Ashley Bramlett wrote:

>Hi Steve,
>But the students could network and do tutoring off list. The list is a good 
>way for connections since often we are the only blind student on campus.

>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Steve Jacobson
>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 5:56 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

>I believe you may already be saying this, but I want to make sure it is 
>clear.  The purpose of the
>BlindMath list is to be a resource for information specific to blind persons 
>taking math, but this
>doesn't mean general tutoring questions.  We also discuss issues related to 
>math text accessibility and
>the on-going work in that area.  One's best resource is to investigate the 
>tutoring resources within
>one's school.  It is very likely that the tutors available will not have any 
>experience with blind
>persons and the student and the tutor will have to work out techniques to 
>get the information needed.
>This is not really a bad thing, though, because as blind people we're going 
>to have to develop the
>ability to know how to interact with people to get the information we need, 
>particularly in an
>employment situation.  "Reasonable accommodations" only go so far, and they 
>likely do not mean that an
>employer has to hire people having experience with blind persons to interact 
>with a blind employee, for
>example.  None of the above means that there are not people on the BlindMath 
>and other lists who won't
>help, there are.  I have seen Arielle's very generous offer, for example, 
>and she could be of a lot of
>help in getting on the way to being able to use the tutors available at 
>one's school.  Certainly charts
>and graphs are a challenge.

>Best regards,

>Steve Jacobson


>On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:36:11 -0500, Marsha Drenth wrote:

>>Sorry I didn't mean that they will tutor you, but on that list, there are
>>tutors who help blind students with math. I am not aware of a list for
>>psychology students for tutoring. Can you take advantage of the tutoring
>>services at your college?




>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>Behalf
>>Of Gloria G
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:01 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

>>Hi,
>>In this post I read there are list for blind persons taking math and they
>>also would be interested in tutoring. Is that the same for psych students?
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:50 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!


>>>I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because
>>>you
>>> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If 
>>> you
>>> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then
>>> sure.
>>> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
>>> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this 
>>> list,
>>> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
>>> should not stop you.
>>>
>>> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who
>>> are
>>> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
>>> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
>>> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
>>> community colleges, or universities.
>>>
>>> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High
>>> school
>>> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my
>>> degree.
>>> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
>>> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
>>> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to
>>> Braille
>>> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I 
>>> got
>>> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
>>> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
>>> passed.
>>>
>>> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband 
>>> is
>>> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>>>
>>> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make
>>> your
>>> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might
>>> need
>>> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>>>
>>> Just my two cents what it is worth,
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of David
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>>>
>>> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I
>>> am
>>> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion,
>>> but
>>> I feel it worth saying.
>>> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong
>>> reasons.
>>> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
>>> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
>>> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even 
>>> if
>>> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
>>> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral
>>> Health,
>>> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
>>> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
>>> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements 
>>> are
>>> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
>>> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based
>>> on
>>> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you 
>>> reconsider
>>> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
>>> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as
>>> you
>>> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just
>>> fulfill
>>> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
>>> professors push you around.
>>> David Bouchard
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester
>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>>>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>>>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>>>> I feel great!
>>>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Joushua,
>>>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>>> When
>>>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great 
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> it!
>>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
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From aec732 at msn.com  Thu Jan 26 15:51:24 2012
From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:51:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] from Learning Ally: new audio tutorial on downloading books
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1327514428.12033.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.23.1327514428.12033.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <COL123-W24871F62C102E2A906838A94890@phx.gbl>


Dear NABSters:
 
Based on your feedback, Learning Ally has developed a set of audio tutorials to make it easy to download LA's digital DAISY audiobooks. For  users of screen readers especially, it's like having a coach right at your side, walking you through the process. In fact, the coach is Kristen Witucki, a blind JAWS user who is  coordinator in LA's product support area. Here's the message from Learning Ally; try the new tutorials and let us know how they work for you. I also will be participating in  the NABS Washington Seminar on Feb. 6 to  meet you individually and continue the conversation.
 
Many thanks,
Annemarie Cooke
for Learning Ally
 
****************
 
January 26, 2012
 
 
 
Dear Member:
 
We value your input and feedback regarding accessibility and screen readers with Learning Ally products and services. Please know that we continually work to improve our offerings for our members.
 
As we work through the process, we have created an audio tutorial to assist you with getting started using our new Audiobook Manager. Each audio clip provides detailed instructions to download, install and use the online bookshelf features and is accessible while using a screen reader to download a book.
 
Please bookmark the link provided to help you through the download process: http://www.LearningAlly.org/959<http://tr.subscribermail.com/cc.cfm?sendto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Elearningally%2Eorg%2FTraining%2DSupport%2FLearning%2DAlly%2DBookShelf%2Dand%2DAudiobook%2DManager%2FLearning%2DAlly%2DAudiobook%2DManager%2Dscreen%2Dreader%2Daudio%2Dinstructions%2F959%2F&tempid=1042a9ae349447f08223eb6f30de375e&mailid=b9adff9ecd124e8c94c4f1a8d1df0917>
 
In an effort to provide even greater support we have set up a mailbox that goes directly to our Product Support Coordinator. She is an employee and long-term Learning Ally member who is blind, as well as a Learning Ally National Achievement Award winner. If you have any specific questions or feedback on accessibility and screen-readers with Learning Ally products or services, please email bvidialogue at learningally.org<mailto:bvidialogue at learningally.org>.
 
Thank you for your understanding as we continue to improve our service.
 
Sincerely,
 
Stephanie Turner
Customer Support Manager
 
 		 	   		  

From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 18:19:43 2012
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:19:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] sharing a cab at the Washington Seminar
Message-ID: <1327601983.44174.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi,
Is anyone ariving in Washington D.C. for the Washington Seminar on Monday February 6 around noon into Washington Reagan airport and would like to share a ride to the hotel in order to split the cost? If so email me off list. I can wait little if you are ariving later.

thanks
Anmol


I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


From davidb521 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 18:30:48 2012
From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David Bouchard)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:30:48 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] sharing a cab at the Washington Seminar
In-Reply-To: <1327601983.44174.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1327601983.44174.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004201ccdc58$a039b130$e0ad1390$@gmail.com>

Hello. I have a suggestion. If you are up to it, you should consider taking
the Yellow Metrorail line from the Reagan Metro station. You should have no
trouble finding if you ask directions. Get off at the L'enfant Plaza Metro
station, and exit onto Maryland Avenue. Take a right on Maryland going east.
Then turn right onto 6th street going south. You should find a crosswalk at
the 3-way intersection of 6th and C streets. Cross 6th going east, turning
left on to C street. The hotel will be on your right a little ways down.
This is a far cheaper way than cabbing it to the hotel. The train ride is
only about 10 minutes. I hope this helps.  
David
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Anmol Bhatia
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:20 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] sharing a cab at the Washington Seminar

Hi,
Is anyone ariving in Washington D.C. for the Washington Seminar on Monday
February 6 around noon into Washington Reagan airport and would like to
share a ride to the hotel in order to split the cost? If so email me off
list. I can wait little if you are ariving later.

thanks
Anmol


I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
among flowers.
Hellen Keller

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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Thu Jan 26 20:34:09 2012
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:34:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] from Learning Ally: new audio tutorial on downloading
	books
Message-ID: fe943dee-3dd1-4944-9f46-6e22f4c9553b@samobile.net

Without having listened to the downloads, this message seems like a 
band-aid than a real attempt at solving the problem. I hope I'm wrong 
about this.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:

> Dear NABSters:

> Based on your feedback, Learning Ally has developed a set of audio 
> tutorials to make it easy to download LA's digital DAISY audiobooks. 
> For  users of screen readers especially, it's like having a coach right 
> at your side, walking you through the process. In fact, the coach is 
> Kristen Witucki, a blind JAWS user who is  coordinator in LA's product 
> support area. Here's the message from Learning Ally; try the new 
> tutorials and let us know how they work for you. I also will be 
> participating in  the NABS Washington Seminar on Feb. 6 to  meet you 
> individually and continue the conversation.

> Many thanks,
> Annemarie Cooke
> for Learning Ally

> ****************

> January 26, 2012



> Dear Member:

> We value your input and feedback regarding accessibility and screen 
> readers with Learning Ally products and services. Please know that we 
> continually work to improve our offerings for our members.

> As we work through the process, we have created an audio tutorial to 
> assist you with getting started using our new Audiobook Manager. Each 
> audio clip provides detailed instructions to download, install and use 
> the online bookshelf features and is accessible while using a screen 
> reader to download a book.

> Please bookmark the link provided to help you through the download 
> process: 
> http://www.LearningAlly.org/959<http://tr.subscribermail.com/cc.cfm?sendto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Elearningally%2Eorg%2FTraining%2DSupport%2FLearning%2DAlly%2DBookShelf%2Dand%2DAudiobook%2DManager%2FLearning%2DAlly%2DAudiobook%2DManager%2Dscreen%2Dreader%2Daudio%2Dinstructions%2F959%2F&tempid=1042a9ae349447f08223eb6f30de375e&mailid=b9adff9ecd124e8c94c4f1a8d1df0917>

> In an effort to provide even greater support we have set up a mailbox 
> that goes directly to our Product Support Coordinator. She is an 
> employee and long-term Learning Ally member who is blind, as well as a 
> Learning Ally National Achievement Award winner. If you have any 
> specific questions or feedback on accessibility and screen-readers with 
> Learning Ally products or services, please email 
> bvidialogue at learningally.org<mailto:bvidialogue at learningally.org>.

> Thank you for your understanding as we continue to improve our service.

> Sincerely,

> Stephanie Turner
> Customer Support Manager


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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jan 26 20:39:12 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:39:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally Book Download Tutorial Available
Message-ID: <auto-000045504089@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>********
>Dear  Fellow Federationists:
>
>Based on your feedback, Learning Ally has developed a set of audio 
>tutorials to make it easy to download Learning Ally's, LA's, digital 
>DAISY audiobooks. For  users of screen readers especially, it's like 
>having a coach right at your side, walking you through the process. 
>In fact, the coach is Kristen Witucki, a blind JAWS user who 
>is  coordinator in LA's product support area. Here's the message 
>from Learning Ally; try the new tutorials and let us know how they 
>work for you. I also will be participating in  the NABS Washington 
>Seminar on Feb. 6 to  meet you individually and continue the conversation.
>
>Many thanks,
>Annemarie Cooke
>for Learning Ally
>
>++++++++++++++++++
>
>January 26, 2012
>
>
>
>Dear Member:
>
>We value your input and feedback regarding accessibility and screen 
>readers with Learning Ally products and services. Please know that 
>we continually work to improve our offerings for our members.
>
>As we work through the process, we have created an audio tutorial to 
>assist you with getting started using our new Audiobook Manager. 
>Each audio clip provides detailed instructions to download, install 
>and use the online bookshelf features and is accessible while using 
>a screen reader to download a book.
>
>Please bookmark the link provided to help you through the download 
>process: 
><http://www.learningally.org/959>http://www.LearningAlly.org/959<http://tr.subscribermail.com/cc.cfm?sendto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Elearningally%2Eorg%2FTraining%2DSupport%2FLearning%2DAlly%2DBookShelf%2Dand%2DAudiobook%2DManager%2FLearning%2DAlly%2DAudiobook%2DManager%2Dscreen%2Dreader%2Daudio%2Dinstructions%2F959%2F&tempid=1042a9ae349447f08223eb6f30de375e&mailid=b9adff9ecd124e8c94c4f1a8d1df0917>
>
>In an effort to provide even greater support we have set up a 
>mailbox that goes directly to our Product Support Coordinator. She 
>is an employee and long-term Learning Ally member who is blind, as 
>well as a Learning Ally National Achievement Award winner. If you 
>have any specific questions or feedback on accessibility and 
>screen-readers with Learning Ally products or services, please email 
>bvidialogue at learningally.org<mailto:bvidialogue at learningally.org>.
>
>Thank you for your understanding as we continue to improve our service.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Stephanie Turner
>Customer Support Manager
>

From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 21:21:55 2012
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:21:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] sharing a cab at the Washington Seminar
In-Reply-To: <004201ccdc58$a039b130$e0ad1390$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1327612915.51156.YahooMailClassic@web162004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>


Thanks for that information. I was actually thinking of doing this.

Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Thu, 1/26/12, David Bouchard <davidb521 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: David Bouchard <davidb521 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] sharing a cab at the Washington Seminar
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Thursday, January 26, 2012, 12:30 PM
> Hello. I have a suggestion. If you
> are up to it, you should consider taking
> the Yellow Metrorail line from the Reagan Metro station. You
> should have no
> trouble finding if you ask directions. Get off at the
> L'enfant Plaza Metro
> station, and exit onto Maryland Avenue. Take a right on
> Maryland going east.
> Then turn right onto 6th street going south. You should find
> a crosswalk at
> the 3-way intersection of 6th and C streets. Cross 6th going
> east, turning
> left on to C street. The hotel will be on your right a
> little ways down.
> This is a far cheaper way than cabbing it to the hotel. The
> train ride is
> only about 10 minutes. I hope this helps.  
> David
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Anmol Bhatia
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:20 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] sharing a cab at the Washington Seminar
> 
> Hi,
> Is anyone ariving in Washington D.C. for the Washington
> Seminar on Monday
> February 6 around noon into Washington Reagan airport and
> would like to
> share a ride to the hotel in order to split the cost? If so
> email me off
> list. I can wait little if you are ariving later.
> 
> thanks
> Anmol
> 
> 
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me
> sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague,
> like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
> 
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 22:02:02 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:02:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] the I CAN Foundation to award a Victor Reader Stream to a
	deserving Maryland School for the Blind graduating senior
Message-ID: <4f21cd94.f4ae340a.5be7.ffff9847@mx.google.com>

HELLO all,

The I C.A.N.  Foundation is launching an annual program, where we 
will award a Victor Reader Stream digital talking book player 
from HumanWare to a deserving graduating senior from the Maryland 
School for the Blind (MSB.) To be eligible for the gift, a 
student must have a completed application, with teacher 
recommendation, and must demonstrate the ability to use and to 
take proper care of the technology, as well as being a graduating 
senior from the Maryland School for the Blind.  Although the 
student does not have to be going to college, they must 
demonstrate in the written essay part of their application how 
they will use the Stream in their future after graduating from 
high school.

Attached you will find the application in a Word 2003 (DOC) file.  
If you can't open the file and need it in some other format, 
please let me know and I will send you a plain text (TXT) or rich 
text (RTF) file of the application.  All applications and teacher 
recommendation forms must be completed and mailed to the address 
provided on the application or emailed to ican4kids at gmail.com by 
April 30, 2012.  If you have any questions, please contact the I 
CAN Foundation through the contact us form on our Web site, which 
is www.icanfoundation.info.  Please feel free to pass this 
information along to anyone who may benefit from it.  We look 
forward to reading many applications and awarding the Stream to 
someone who deserves it!
Thank you,

Chris Nusbaum
Board Member
The I C.A.N.  Foundation: Helping Blind and Visually Impaired 
Children in Maryland Say "I Can!"
Web Site: www.icanfoundation.info
Foundation Email: ican4kids at gmail.com

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Thu Jan 26 22:50:15 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:50:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] from Learning Ally: new audio tutorial on
	downloadingbooks
References: fe943dee-3dd1-4944-9f46-6e22f4c9553b@samobile.net
Message-ID: <1287162092DD4149B6627332E28850E0@stanford.edu>

Perhaps you shouldn't make judgments before investigating more.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jedi" <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] from Learning Ally: new audio tutorial on 
downloadingbooks


> Without having listened to the downloads, this message seems like a 
> band-aid than a real attempt at solving the problem. I hope I'm wrong 
> about this.
>
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
>
> Original message:
>
>> Dear NABSters:
>
>> Based on your feedback, Learning Ally has developed a set of audio 
>> tutorials to make it easy to download LA's digital DAISY audiobooks. For 
>> users of screen readers especially, it's like having a coach right at 
>> your side, walking you through the process. In fact, the coach is Kristen 
>> Witucki, a blind JAWS user who is  coordinator in LA's product support 
>> area. Here's the message from Learning Ally; try the new tutorials and 
>> let us know how they work for you. I also will be participating in  the 
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 02:36:06 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:36:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc
Message-ID: <4f220dcf.731c340a.37be.ffffa69c@mx.google.com>

Hi Gabe,

The service is called RoboBraille.  To convert a PDF to DOC, send 
an email to convert at robobraille.org.  Put DOC in the subject line 
and attach the original PDF.  Hope this helps!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gabe Cazares" <gcazares10 at gmail.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:29:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc

Hi All,

Does anyone remember the name/email address of the service that 
you can
Email PDF files to, and have them converted to Doc files?

Thanks,



.Gabe



Gabriel M.  Cazares,

1st Vice President

Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the 
National
Federation of the Blind of Texas)

www.nfbtx.org/tabs

Phone: 713-581-0619



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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 02:36:12 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:36:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc
Message-ID: <4f220dd6.731c340a.37be.ffffa6a0@mx.google.com>

How do the pictures work? JAWS doesn't read even scanned OCR 
pictures, right?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:42:39 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc

The email address to convert your pdf files into Microsoft word 
(.doc)
format is: convert at roboBraille.org.  put the word "DOC" in the 
subject line.
alternatively, you can visit http://www.robobraille.org to learn 
how to
convert many other kinds of files to your preferred accessible 
file type.
The service is called "RoboBraille" which in fact has been 
extremely
valuable for me.  It can convert even pictures of text captured 
into a .jpg
image and OCR's them for you and puts them into your email inbox 
in an
accessible, accurate, editable format.  You can even convert 
files into
Braille (.brf) format for use with your note taker.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Gabe Cazares
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:29 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc

Hi All,

Does anyone remember the name/email address of the service that 
you can
Email PDF files to, and have them converted to Doc files?

Thanks,



.Gabe



Gabriel M.  Cazares,

1st Vice President

Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the 
National
Federation of the Blind of Texas)

www.nfbtx.org/tabs

Phone: 713-581-0619



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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 02:36:21 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:36:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Female Roommate Wanted for the Night of MondayFebruary
	6
Message-ID: <4f220ddf.731c340a.37be.ffffa6a8@mx.google.com>

I believe Sean is referring to the Holiday Inn Capital, where the 
Washington Seminar is being held.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Reinhard Stebner" <raydar11011 at yahoo.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:53:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Female Roommate Wanted for the Night of 
MondayFebruary 6

What is the location?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sean Whalen
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:34 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; 'List for NABS State Presidents'
Cc: 'Shelby Ball'; kea.anderson at gmail.com; 'Candice Chapman'
Subject: [nabs-l] Female Roommate Wanted for the Night of Monday 
February 6

Good afternoon,



If any of you happen to know of anybody who has a room and would 
be
interested in sharing on the night of Monday, February 6, please 
send me an
email at smwhalenpsp at gmail.com and let me know.  This is a young 
woman
looking to share with women only, and only for the one night.



Thanks,



Sean





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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 02:36:14 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:36:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc
Message-ID: <4f220dd8.731c340a.37be.ffffa6a1@mx.google.com>

Hi Heather,

Oh, so you need to put .doc in the subject line, not just DOC? 
Maybe that's why whenever I try it and just put DOC in the 
subject, it gives me back a TXT file, which I don't have a 
problem with, but I've just wondered why it shows up as a TXT not 
a DOC.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Heather Field" <missheather at comcast.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:49:13 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc

Hello,
The service is called.  Robo braille.
To have a pdf file converted, do the following.
Send an email to:
convert at robobraille.org

In the subject put the format of the file you want the pdf file 
converted
into.  So, for example, if you want a Microsoft Word file, just 
put, .doc in
the subject.  There are a bunch of options that it will tonvert 
files into so
you may want to visit the site and read their documentation.

Then, attach the pdf file you want converted and send it to Robo 
braille.  It
will return in a few minutes converted.  The converted file will 
have a new
name which starts with the letters, rb.  So, when you save the 
new file you
need to rename it.

There is a limit on the size of files which it will convert so, 
if it sends
back a message that the file was too large to convert, you must 
break the
pdf file into smaller files.  So, for example, it won't scan a 
whole textbook
all at once.  However, if you had each chapter separately, it 
would probably
scan each one for you.

Hope this is helpful.
Regards,
Heather

-----Original Message-----
From: Gabe Cazares
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:29 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF to Doc

Hi All,

Does anyone remember the name/email address of the service that 
you can
Email PDF files to, and have them converted to Doc files?

Thanks,



.Gabe



Gabriel M.  Cazares,

1st Vice President

Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the 
National
Federation of the Blind of Texas)

www.nfbtx.org/tabs

Phone: 713-581-0619



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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 02:36:18 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:36:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard
Message-ID: <4f220ddc.731c340a.37be.ffffa6a4@mx.google.com>

I don't use Blackboard yet, but just a thought; have you tried a 
select a form field command (insert f 5?) If so, have you found 
the comment form field in that list?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:35:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard

Hi,
Blackboard works in internet explorerBut I haven't figured out 
how to post
to the discussion board.  So far I hear links to the threads and 
lots of
check boxes.  But not a way to post a comment in the same thread.

-----Original Message-----
From: jeff crouch
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard

Hey guys, jeff Crouch hear, I use black board, well i try, if you 
use
mazila, it works if jaws is good, but i have never found it to be
accessable with internet explore, and at all for that matter

On 1/24/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 I haven't used the discussion portion, but Blackboard is a 
nuisance,
 because it doesn't respond to my computer, like it's supposed 
to.
 When I log in, it says, "Page has no Links."
 I think it's because I need to update to Windows 7.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/24/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi,
 Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions 
in the
 discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that 
with using
 jaws.  I no when surching for other things like powerpoints 
posted by
 profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or 
replying
 to
 a post I have difficulity.  If anyone can help that would be 
great.  Thanks
 a
 bunch
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility


 Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible.  As a matter of fact, 
I used
 it
 to do a project that was geared toward blind users.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility


 Hi, Ashley and all,

 While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are 
in MS
 Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind 
users
 alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 
2003 to
 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
 accessible.  As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the 
Virtual
 Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a 
manner
 that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating 
a lot
 of the confusion Ashley was referring to.  Although I did run 
into a
 few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, 
it was
 easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is 
simply
 part of the process of learning to use a new program.

 As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite 
and
 someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent 
technology,
 I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration.  However, I do 
think
 that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a 
long
 time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it 
is easy
 for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply 
because
 we are not used to how it works yet.  Some of you may remember 
me
 posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
 because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity 
of
 Outlook Express a lot.  I'm pleased to report that I have since 
figured
 out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
 actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
 appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express).  In 
short, I
 would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
 program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
 sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might 
be
 surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow 
yourself
 time to play around with it.

 Katie

 PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I 
don't
 believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not 
really
 a 2010 issue.  I have never really used Access for anything 
though so
 don't have much to say about it.

 On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
 A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the 
ribbons.
 This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, 
but
 you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow 
keys.  I
 learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS.  
Also, the
 1 of 4 is a grouping.  For example, Cut copy past would all be 
in one
 grouping.  If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and 
go thru
 the options without worry of missing anything.  It takes some 
practice
 to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
 options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was 
stated
 before.

 ~Jewel

 On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Peter,
 You are not a student and further probably do not use Office 
suite
 everyday;
 I don't even know if you have a job.
 Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.

 No one said Office suite was not accessible.  David Dodge said 
that it
 was
 becoming less accessible.
 That is true.  The layout is confusing and again, Access is not
 accessible.
 I
 talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
 It is also less user friendly.  Certainly the basic word 
processing
 stuff
 work well; the short cut commands still work i.e.  control S for 
save,
 control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are 
the
 same.
 Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.

 For instance: go to the reference tab.  You hear a group saying 
1 of 5
 and
 then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4.  Okay, what exactly is the
 group?
 One
 of four what?

 How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box.  For
 instance,
 you
 tab to footnote or table of contents.  If you down arrow, there 
are no
 options.
 Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.


 -----Original Message-----
 From: Peter Donahue
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility

 Hello David and everyone,

     And especially when others are using these products without 
any
 trouble.
 Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's
 documentation
 for
 procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues 
before
 declaring
 this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have 
found
 fixes
 for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.

 Peter Donahue


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility


 I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
 things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
 accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You 
can
 get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
 readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
 person, but it is not inaccessible.

 I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
 community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it 
is
 that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive
 technology.

 Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate 
when
 reporting them.

 David Andrews

 At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
David,
I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible.  2007 
wasn't
too bad from what I heard.  I did not try it though.  I have 2010 
and
feel its less accessible.  As someone already said, access is not
accessible and in 2007 it was.  Microsoft just had to change 
things;
go
figure.
Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
department or whomever handels access issues there.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less
accessible
as
time goes on.

If you are having accessibility issues with these products I
recommend
contacting Microsoft from their website.  It is unlikely that 
they
will
 take
the feedback into consideration, but still.

2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home <
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or
2010,
especially if you find 2003.  Files created using 2007 and 2010 
can
still
be
read and edited using 2003.  I will leave it up to you, but my
recommendation is to use Office 2003.  There are ways to have 
both,
 but
they
are not easy or convenient.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


its my computer.  Gee would be nice to have both versions

-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

No, you cannot.  Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly
recommend
just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing
Office
2003.
If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone 
who
has
the
authority to do it and explain that it would make things a 
million
times
easier.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Nicole,
I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around.  Do you know if 
I
 can
have
them concurrently on the computer?
It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure
out
where
something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple 
menus
of
2003.

-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Yes.  The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section.  
I do
not
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how
well
it
works, but it is probably better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
arielle71 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com
wrote:

Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from 
the
JAWS
13
help:

Virtual Ribbon Menu
The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new
applications
being
released today.  Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, 
but
are
now
becoming more common in other applications tailored for the 
Windows
 7
operating system.  Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due 
to
inconsistent navigation between various groups and items.  For
example,
when
you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move 
between
 items
in
a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another
 group.
Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
 entered
another.  Using first letter navigation to find items can be
 difficult
 and
frustrating.  Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not 
know
 if
 you
should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.

The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets
 you
 see
everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating
 with
ARROW
keys.  For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the 
Upper
Ribbon
tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups.  Once in a group, the ARROW, 
TAB,
 and
SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one
 group

to
the
next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon.  For submenus,
 SPACEBAR
 and
ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus.  The Virtual 
Ribbon
Menu
is
off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings
Center
or
the JAWS Startup Wizard.  When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated
 using

a
traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


  jaws 13


-----Original Message-----
From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

What version of JAWS are you using?

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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


  Hi all,

Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
 ribbons.
Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to
create
simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer
 for

pr
somewhere.
Is excell still accessible?
I'll need the access database for work probably.


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 02:36:20 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:36:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The 2nd Annual "U Improving U" Regional Seminar
Message-ID: <4f220dde.731c340a.37be.ffffa6a6@mx.google.com>

Hi LaKeisha,

When is the seminar and where? Thanks!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,aabs-forum at nfbnet.org, fabs at nfbnet.org, 
ncabs at nfbnet.org, tabs at nfbnet.org,txabs at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:52:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The 2nd Annual "U Improving U" Regional Seminar

Hello all,
Three years ago, the Georgia Association of Blind Students hosted 
our first "U Improving U" regional seminar.  The seminar was 
created to help blind students  improve in areas such as advocacy 
and college preparation.  There was even a self defense class! 
There were also  activities geared towards technology  and the 
NFB philosophy.  Students from across the southeast region came 
to participate in the action packed weekend.
Because of the success of our first seminar, we would love to 
make it bigger and better.  If you would like to hear more or 
participate in the seminar, please contact:
LaKeisha Holmes
lholmes at gabstudents.org

I hope to hear from you all soon!!
LaKeisha Holmes
President
Georgia Association of Blind Students

LaKeisha Holmes
President
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Phone: 404.580.3040
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 03:41:12 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:41:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Changes in school plans
Message-ID: <4f221d11.49cee00a.12a7.3a3b@mx.google.com>

Congratulations, Joshua! These are things you have been waiting 
for for a while now, and I am glad you now have them!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: apostleslist at yahoogroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:19:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Changes in school plans

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I'm delighted to announce the following changes!
I'm going from a General Education degree, to a Behavioral Health 
major.
This way, I won't need the science classes, or College Algebra!
I'll be able to attend church on Wednesday nights, after all!
I'm about to finalize everything, and I'll let you know what 
happens from there!
These Behavioral Health classes are all accomidating for me, 
because
the classes are taught by instructors, that I've had before.
Blessings, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 03:48:08 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:48:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Gold Wave
Message-ID: <4f221eb1.06d6e00a.573d.3955@mx.google.com>

Hi everyone,

I've been looking for a recording software for my computer that 
is accessible and allows me to record and do simple editing; the 
recording preferably in MP3 format.  I've heard a lot about 
Goldwave, but don't know much about its accessibility.  How 
accessible is Gold Wave with JAWS and what can I do with it? 
Thanks!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Jan 27 13:25:14 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:25:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Changes in school plans
In-Reply-To: <4f221d11.49cee00a.12a7.3a3b@mx.google.com>
References: <4f221d11.49cee00a.12a7.3a3b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOsnZ9hNooOVHK8qcbvftqsTA1-NiEuW1c7Yv6SLmWCZAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Chris, and all.
I have finalized everything, and I mentioned all of that, in the "It's
Official," thread.
Thanks for the congratulations.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/26/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Congratulations, Joshua! These are things you have been waiting
> for for a while now, and I am glad you now have them!
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: apostleslist at yahoogroups.com
> Date sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:19:39 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] Changes in school plans
>
> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> I'm delighted to announce the following changes!
> I'm going from a General Education degree, to a Behavioral Health
> major.
> This way, I won't need the science classes, or College Algebra!
> I'll be able to attend church on Wednesday nights, after all!
> I'm about to finalize everything, and I'll let you know what
> happens from there!
> These Behavioral Health classes are all accomidating for me,
> because
> the classes are taught by instructors, that I've had before.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
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From mworkman.lists at gmail.com  Sat Jan 28 02:53:28 2012
From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:53:28 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Gold Wave
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Goldwave, I believe, has some jaws scripts that make it more accessible; it definitely used to have some. You should be able to find these through a quick search. When I started using GW several years back, there were some audio tutorials available by a blind user. You may still be able to find these.

With GW, you can insert and remove chunks of audio, mix tracks together, add effects, convert to different audio formats, and probably several other things that I never do. I don't use it as much as I used to, and I think I found it easier with earlier versions. Still, it's a popular product.

If you think you might do a lot of audio editing, then it's probably worth it, but if you have an IOS device like an iPod Touch, you will also be able to use an app called Hokusai. Here is an audio tutorial of the beta that will be accessible
http://goo.gl/mNPjm

I don't know if the beta has been released yet, but this looks like a cheaper alternative to GW for someone interested in occasional editing.

Cheers,

Marc
On 2012-01-26, at 8:48 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I've been looking for a recording software for my computer that is accessible and allows me to record and do simple editing; the recording preferably in MP3 format.  I've heard a lot about Goldwave, but don't know much about its accessibility.  How accessible is Gold Wave with JAWS and what can I do with it? Thanks!
> 
> Chris
> 
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
> 
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Jan 28 03:20:30 2012
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:20:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Gold Wave
In-Reply-To: <4f221eb1.06d6e00a.573d.3955@mx.google.com>
References: <4f221eb1.06d6e00a.573d.3955@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <02f001ccdd6b$ca26a070$5e73e150$@comcast.net>

Hello chris,

Yes, goldwave is very accessible with jfw and, you can do so many
things in editing audio. I have downloaded it myself but, I
haven't used it that much yet. But, I believe that all of the
keystrokes are just like if you use any type of software by using
the same keystrokes like in any of the ms office products. But, I
know that there's a tutorial in the software. Which if you ever
have problems which I'm sure is helpful. I have used the help
menus in many software products like in ms office and, they have
been very helpful for me.

Anyway, I hope this advice is helpful for you. Take care and,
good luck!



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:48 PM
To: NFB Blind Talk list; NFB NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] Gold Wave

Hi everyone,

I've been looking for a recording software for my computer that 
is accessible and allows me to record and do simple editing; the 
recording preferably in MP3 format.  I've heard a lot about 
Goldwave, but don't know much about its accessibility.  How 
accessible is Gold Wave with JAWS and what can I do with it? 
Thanks!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 28 14:40:29 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 09:40:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] composing a new post to this list
Message-ID: <4f240918.41c4e00a.5301.ffffd90f@mx.google.com>

If you're using Outlook, which I think you are, the command to 
write a new message is control N.  If you want to send a post to 
this list, type in nabs-l at nfbnet.org in the to field.

Chris

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real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 07:15:35 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard

Hi,
Do you know what the command to make a new post? Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard


 Hey guys, jeff Crouch hear, I use black board, well i try, if 
you use
 mazila, it works if jaws is good, but i have never found it to 
be
 accessable with internet explore, and at all for that matter

 On 1/24/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> 
wrote:
 I haven't used the discussion portion, but Blackboard is a 
nuisance,
 because it doesn't respond to my computer, like it's supposed 
to.
 When I log in, it says, "Page has no Links."
 I think it's because I need to update to Windows 7.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/24/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi,
 Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions 
in the
 discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that 
with using
 jaws.  I no when surching for other things like powerpoints 
posted by
 profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or 
replying
 to
 a post I have difficulity.  If anyone can help that would be 
great.
 Thanks
 a
 bunch
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility


 Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible.  As a matter of fact, 
I used
 it
 to do a project that was geared toward blind users.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility


 Hi, Ashley and all,

 While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are 
in MS
 Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind 
users
 alike, I have to  say that, having transitioned from MS Office 
2003 to
 2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
 accessible.  As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the 
Virtual
 Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a 
manner
 that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating 
a lot
 of the confusion Ashley was referring to.  Although I did run 
into a
 few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task, 
it was
 easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is 
simply
 part of the process of learning to use a new program.

 As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite 
and
 someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent 
technology,
 I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration.  However, I do 
think
 that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a 
long
 time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it 
is easy
 for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply 
because
 we are not used to how it works yet.  Some of you may remember 
me
 posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
 because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity 
of
 Outlook Express a lot.  I'm pleased to report that I have since 
figured
 out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
 actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
 appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express).  In 
short, I
 would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
 program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
 sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might 
be
 surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow 
yourself
 time to play around with it.

 Katie

 PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I 
don't
 believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not 
really
 a 2010 issue.  I have never really used Access for anything 
though so
 don't have much to say about it.

 On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
 A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the 
ribbons.
 This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon, 
but
 you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow 
keys.  I
 learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS.  
Also,
 the
 1 of 4 is a grouping.  For example, Cut copy past would all be 
in one
 grouping.  If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and 
go
 thru
 the options without worry of missing anything.  It takes some 
practice
 to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
 options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was 
stated
 before.

 ~Jewel

 On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Peter,
 You are not a student and further probably do not use Office 
suite
 everyday;
 I don't even know if you have a job.
 Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.

 No one said Office suite was not accessible.  David Dodge said 
that
 it
 was
 becoming less accessible.
 That is true.  The layout is confusing and again, Access is not
 accessible.
 I
 talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
 It is also less user friendly.  Certainly the basic word 
processing
 stuff
 work well; the short cut commands still work i.e.  control S for
 save,
 control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are 
the
 same.
 Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.

 For instance: go to the reference tab.  You hear a group saying 
1 of
 5
 and
 then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4.  Okay, what exactly is the
 group?
 One
 of four what?

 How do you get to the box options? Jaws says  group box.  For
 instance,
 you
 tab to footnote or table of contents.  If you down arrow, there 
are
 no
 options.
 Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.


 -----Original Message-----
 From: Peter Donahue
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility

 Hello David and everyone,

     And especially when others are using these products without 
any
 trouble.
 Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's
 documentation
 for
 procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues 
before
 declaring
 this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have
 found
 fixes
 for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.

 Peter Donahue


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility


 I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
 things.  Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
 accessible.  Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true.  You 
can
 get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
 readers.  I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
 person, but it is not inaccessible.

 I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
 community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it 
is
 that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive
 technology.

 Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate 
when
 reporting them.

 David Andrews

 At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
David,
I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible.  2007 
wasn't
too bad from what I heard.  I did not try it though.  I have 2010 
and
feel its less accessible.  As someone already said, access is not
accessible and in 2007 it was.  Microsoft just had to change 
things;
go
figure.
Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
department or whomever handels access issues there.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less
accessible
as
time goes on.

If you are having accessibility issues with these products I
recommend
contacting Microsoft from their website.  It is unlikely that 
they
will
 take
the feedback into consideration, but still.

2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home <
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or
2010,
especially if you find 2003.  Files created using 2007 and 2010 
can
still
be
read and edited using 2003.  I will leave it up to you, but my
recommendation is to use Office 2003.  There are ways to have 
both,
 but
they
are not easy or convenient.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


its my computer.  Gee would be nice to have both versions

-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

No, you cannot.  Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly
recommend
just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing
Office
2003.
If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone
who
has
the
authority to do it and explain that it would make things a 
million
times
easier.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Nicole,
I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around.  Do you know if 
I
 can
have
them concurrently on the computer?
It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure
out
where
something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple
menus
of
2003.

-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Yes.  The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section.  
I
do
not
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how
well
it
works, but it is probably better than nothing.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
arielle71 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle

On 1/22/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com
wrote:

Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from 
the
JAWS
13
help:

Virtual Ribbon Menu
The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new
applications
being
released today.  Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs,
but
are
now
becoming more common in other applications tailored for the
Windows
 7
operating system.  Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due 
to
inconsistent navigation between various groups and items.  For
example,
when
you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move
between
 items
in
a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another
 group.
Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
 entered
another.  Using first letter navigation to find items can be
 difficult
 and
frustrating.  Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not 
know
 if
 you
should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.

The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets
 you
 see
everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating
 with
ARROW
keys.  For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the
Upper
Ribbon
tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups.  Once in a group, the ARROW, 
TAB,
 and
SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one
 group

to
the
next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon.  For submenus,
 SPACEBAR
 and
ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus.  The Virtual 
Ribbon
Menu
is
off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings
Center
or
the JAWS Startup Wizard.  When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated
 using

a
traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


  jaws 13


-----Original Message-----
From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

What version of JAWS are you using?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility


  Hi all,

Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
 ribbons.
Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to
create
simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer
 for

pr
somewhere.
Is excell still accessible?
I'll need the access database for work probably.


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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan 29 15:11:46 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:11:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
Message-ID: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and Safety class.
The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not Found."
I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find it, on Google.
What's the problem?
Thanks, Joshua


From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Sun Jan 29 15:34:50 2012
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:34:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000005183417@mailback3.g2host.com>

Joshua,

There are a couplde of possibilities.  First, doesn't Google present this as a link?  Sometimes Google presents a link with a text title and the URL is below 
but is pointing to the same thing.  Second, if it is not presented as a link, I would try copying and pasting the link into where it needs to go.  Finally, it is 
possible that the link is temporarily not working.  You might try it again later.

If you can look at the page in another way but just need to get the URL for your paper, you can display the page and then copy the address of the page.  
Dependikng upon your browser, you can press F6 to get to the address bar, copy the URL, and then press SHIFT F6 to get back to the text of your page.  

Good luck.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:11:46 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote:

>Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and Safety class.
>The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not Found."
>I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find it, on Google.
>What's the problem?
>Thanks, Joshua

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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jan 29 17:06:45 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:06:45 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
References: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <455735E11AAC4DA88CB2D006E82A2261@stanford.edu>

Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as what you 
are typing ion for the URL.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!


> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and Safety 
> class.
> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not 
> Found."
> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find it, on 
> Google.
> What's the problem?
> Thanks, Joshua
>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan 29 19:44:20 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:44:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
In-Reply-To: <455735E11AAC4DA88CB2D006E82A2261@stanford.edu>
References: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<455735E11AAC4DA88CB2D006E82A2261@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOtPPns5owFfu+yhB=J5EiVzhLrBYKpvJ3N351Z6=2sg=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the mental
issues of Jared Loughner.
Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New York Times.
When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
doesn't come up.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.html
It always says, "Page not found."
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as what you
> are typing ion for the URL.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
>
>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and Safety
>> class.
>> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not
>> Found."
>> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find it, on
>> Google.
>> What's the problem?
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jan 29 19:48:18 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:48:18 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
References: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com><455735E11AAC4DA88CB2D006E82A2261@stanford.edu>
	<CAO83KOtPPns5owFfu+yhB=J5EiVzhLrBYKpvJ3N351Z6=2sg=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5C04CCA9215C48219EAD61C512261AB6@stanford.edu>

What did you write in the search box? When someone is trying to help you, 
please answer all of the questions. Both clicking on the link and pasting it 
in my address bar, I am getting the same message. If you tell me what search 
terms you used, I can try to find it for you and get the correct URL.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!


> I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the mental
> issues of Jared Loughner.
> Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New York 
> Times.
> When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
> doesn't come up.
> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.html
> It always says, "Page not found."
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as what 
>> you
>> are typing ion for the URL.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>
>>
>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and Safety
>>> class.
>>> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>>> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not
>>> Found."
>>> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find it, on
>>> Google.
>>> What's the problem?
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan 29 19:50:55 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:50:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
In-Reply-To: <5C04CCA9215C48219EAD61C512261AB6@stanford.edu>
References: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<455735E11AAC4DA88CB2D006E82A2261@stanford.edu>
	<CAO83KOtPPns5owFfu+yhB=J5EiVzhLrBYKpvJ3N351Z6=2sg=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C04CCA9215C48219EAD61C512261AB6@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOti+0_KXks4tVMjeFmWmKq2Aq-hWsUzp3wV8m71eBZzkQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'll E-mail you offlist.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> What did you write in the search box? When someone is trying to help you,
> please answer all of the questions. Both clicking on the link and pasting it
> in my address bar, I am getting the same message. If you tell me what search
> terms you used, I can try to find it for you and get the correct URL.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
>
>> I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the mental
>> issues of Jared Loughner.
>> Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New York
>> Times.
>> When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
>> doesn't come up.
>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.html
>> It always says, "Page not found."
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as what
>>> you
>>> are typing ion for the URL.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and Safety
>>>> class.
>>>> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>>>> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not
>>>> Found."
>>>> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find it, on
>>>> Google.
>>>> What's the problem?
>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan 29 20:06:32 2012
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:06:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NBP-Announce: iPhone Tactile ScreenShot Quick
 Reference Guide
Message-ID: <auto-000045831059@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>iPhone Tactile ScreenShot Quick Reference Guide
>Produced by Tom Dekker, VRT with Tactile Vision, Inc.
>Braille, large print and tactile diagrams - all in one booklet, $27
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 20:19:20 2012
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:19:20 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOtPPns5owFfu+yhB=J5EiVzhLrBYKpvJ3N351Z6=2sg=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com><455735E11AAC4DA88CB2D006E82A2261@stanford.edu>
	<CAO83KOtPPns5owFfu+yhB=J5EiVzhLrBYKpvJ3N351Z6=2sg=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44D3515E974D464786AB88191A3C232C@HUMBERTOAVILA>

Hello Joshua,

Why don't you just save that web page that you are trying to get information
from into your favorites? It will be much, much easier; trust me. Then when
you are ready to cite your sources, go to that page from your favorites, go
into your address bar, and then copy and paste the entire contents of that
address into your paper. What browser are you using? If you are using
Internet Explorer, you can press Alt+D to get quickly into your address bar.
And to quickly add a favorite, press control+D then enter, assuming  you
want the default name.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!

I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the mental
issues of Jared Loughner.
Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New York Times.
When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
doesn't come up.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.html
It always says, "Page not found."
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as what
you
> are typing ion for the URL.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
>
>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and Safety
>> class.
>> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not
>> Found."
>> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find it, on
>> Google.
>> What's the problem?
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
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om
>>
>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan 29 20:23:11 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:23:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
In-Reply-To: <44D3515E974D464786AB88191A3C232C@HUMBERTOAVILA>
References: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<455735E11AAC4DA88CB2D006E82A2261@stanford.edu>
	<CAO83KOtPPns5owFfu+yhB=J5EiVzhLrBYKpvJ3N351Z6=2sg=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<44D3515E974D464786AB88191A3C232C@HUMBERTOAVILA>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOuE=Jdt6LB9jHYsm8iwLEKKYLQkNQjxXHDmH+wz3B2Ryg@mail.gmail.com>

What's going on, is this.
I type in that URL, and it says, "Page not found."
It won't even come up.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/29/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Joshua,
>
> Why don't you just save that web page that you are trying to get information
> from into your favorites? It will be much, much easier; trust me. Then when
> you are ready to cite your sources, go to that page from your favorites, go
> into your address bar, and then copy and paste the entire contents of that
> address into your paper. What browser are you using? If you are using
> Internet Explorer, you can press Alt+D to get quickly into your address bar.
> And to quickly add a favorite, press control+D then enter, assuming  you
> want the default name.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
> I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the mental
> issues of Jared Loughner.
> Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New York Times.
> When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
> doesn't come up.
> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.html
> It always says, "Page not found."
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as what
> you
>> are typing ion for the URL.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>
>>
>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and Safety
>>> class.
>>> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>>> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not
>>> Found."
>>> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find it, on
>>> Google.
>>> What's the problem?
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c
> om
>>>
>>
>>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jan 29 20:33:39 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:33:39 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
References: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com><455735E11AAC4DA88CB2D006E82A2261@stanford.edu><CAO83KOtPPns5owFfu+yhB=J5EiVzhLrBYKpvJ3N351Z6=2sg=Q@mail.gmail.com><44D3515E974D464786AB88191A3C232C@HUMBERTOAVILA>
	<CAO83KOuE=Jdt6LB9jHYsm8iwLEKKYLQkNQjxXHDmH+wz3B2Ryg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41981460118249F2BC0BD6FFC5C32216@stanford.edu>

Okay, you're starting to not make sense. You said that you can get to the 
website by typing in the search terms and then clicking on the link in 
Google? Then you should be able to get the URL out of the address bar. What 
browser are you using?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!


> What's going on, is this.
> I type in that URL, and it says, "Page not found."
> It won't even come up.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/29/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Joshua,
>>
>> Why don't you just save that web page that you are trying to get 
>> information
>> from into your favorites? It will be much, much easier; trust me. Then 
>> when
>> you are ready to cite your sources, go to that page from your favorites, 
>> go
>> into your address bar, and then copy and paste the entire contents of 
>> that
>> address into your paper. What browser are you using? If you are using
>> Internet Explorer, you can press Alt+D to get quickly into your address 
>> bar.
>> And to quickly add a favorite, press control+D then enter, assuming  you
>> want the default name.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>
>> I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the mental
>> issues of Jared Loughner.
>> Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New York 
>> Times.
>> When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
>> doesn't come up.
>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.html
>> It always says, "Page not found."
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as what
>> you
>>> are typing ion for the URL.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and Safety
>>>> class.
>>>> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>>>> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not
>>>> Found."
>>>> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find it, 
>>>> on
>>>> Google.
>>>> What's the problem?
>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c
>> om
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> ccua.edu
>>>
>>
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 20:34:51 2012
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:34:51 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOuE=Jdt6LB9jHYsm8iwLEKKYLQkNQjxXHDmH+wz3B2Ryg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com><455735E11AAC4DA88CB2D006E82A2261@stanford.edu><CAO83KOtPPns5owFfu+yhB=J5EiVzhLrBYKpvJ3N351Z6=2sg=Q@mail.gmail.com><44D3515E974D464786AB88191A3C232C@HUMBERTOAVILA>
	<CAO83KOuE=Jdt6LB9jHYsm8iwLEKKYLQkNQjxXHDmH+wz3B2Ryg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5CC6B814515448F2894818EACB80E52B@HUMBERTOAVILA>

OK, then you need to look that web page again on google, and then save it to
your favorites. It is very likely that you have typed the address
incorrectly.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!

What's going on, is this.
I type in that URL, and it says, "Page not found."
It won't even come up.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/29/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Joshua,
>
> Why don't you just save that web page that you are trying to get
information
> from into your favorites? It will be much, much easier; trust me. Then
when
> you are ready to cite your sources, go to that page from your favorites,
go
> into your address bar, and then copy and paste the entire contents of that
> address into your paper. What browser are you using? If you are using
> Internet Explorer, you can press Alt+D to get quickly into your address
bar.
> And to quickly add a favorite, press control+D then enter, assuming  you
> want the default name.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
> I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the mental
> issues of Jared Loughner.
> Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New York
Times.
> When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
> doesn't come up.
> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.html
> It always says, "Page not found."
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as what
> you
>> are typing ion for the URL.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>
>>
>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and Safety
>>> class.
>>> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>>> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not
>>> Found."
>>> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find it, on
>>> Google.
>>> What's the problem?
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
>
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c
> om
>>>
>>
>>
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> ccua.edu
>>
>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan 29 20:42:15 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:42:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
In-Reply-To: <41981460118249F2BC0BD6FFC5C32216@stanford.edu>
References: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<455735E11AAC4DA88CB2D006E82A2261@stanford.edu>
	<CAO83KOtPPns5owFfu+yhB=J5EiVzhLrBYKpvJ3N351Z6=2sg=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<44D3515E974D464786AB88191A3C232C@HUMBERTOAVILA>
	<CAO83KOuE=Jdt6LB9jHYsm8iwLEKKYLQkNQjxXHDmH+wz3B2Ryg@mail.gmail.com>
	<41981460118249F2BC0BD6FFC5C32216@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOvc1MNmMhc+k0Fd-BEAyXL4wM=aVCJus5-UY02dojSm4Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm new to some of this technology, so please bear with me.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Okay, you're starting to not make sense. You said that you can get to the
> website by typing in the search terms and then clicking on the link in
> Google? Then you should be able to get the URL out of the address bar. What
> browser are you using?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
>
>> What's going on, is this.
>> I type in that URL, and it says, "Page not found."
>> It won't even come up.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/29/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Joshua,
>>>
>>> Why don't you just save that web page that you are trying to get
>>> information
>>> from into your favorites? It will be much, much easier; trust me. Then
>>> when
>>> you are ready to cite your sources, go to that page from your favorites,
>>> go
>>> into your address bar, and then copy and paste the entire contents of
>>> that
>>> address into your paper. What browser are you using? If you are using
>>> Internet Explorer, you can press Alt+D to get quickly into your address
>>> bar.
>>> And to quickly add a favorite, press control+D then enter, assuming  you
>>> want the default name.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>
>>> I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the mental
>>> issues of Jared Loughner.
>>> Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New York
>>> Times.
>>> When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
>>> doesn't come up.
>>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.html
>>> It always says, "Page not found."
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>> Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as what
>>> you
>>>> are typing ion for the URL.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and Safety
>>>>> class.
>>>>> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>>>>> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not
>>>>> Found."
>>>>> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find it,
>>>>> on
>>>>> Google.
>>>>> What's the problem?
>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c
>>> om
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p
>>> ccua.edu
>>>>
>>>
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>>> mail.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
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>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jan 29 21:14:06 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:14:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
References: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com><455735E11AAC4DA88CB2D006E82A2261@stanford.edu><CAO83KOtPPns5owFfu+yhB=J5EiVzhLrBYKpvJ3N351Z6=2sg=Q@mail.gmail.com><44D3515E974D464786AB88191A3C232C@HUMBERTOAVILA><CAO83KOuE=Jdt6LB9jHYsm8iwLEKKYLQkNQjxXHDmH+wz3B2Ryg@mail.gmail.com><41981460118249F2BC0BD6FFC5C32216@stanford.edu>
	<CAO83KOvc1MNmMhc+k0Fd-BEAyXL4wM=aVCJus5-UY02dojSm4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <73421B0B23E14BC4960748B6CDA3F923@stanford.edu>

I understand that. However, simply having someone else go and get it for you 
without knowing how he/she did it is not going to help you in the long run.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!


> I'm new to some of this technology, so please bear with me.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Okay, you're starting to not make sense. You said that you can get to the
>> website by typing in the search terms and then clicking on the link in
>> Google? Then you should be able to get the URL out of the address bar. 
>> What
>> browser are you using?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>
>>
>>> What's going on, is this.
>>> I type in that URL, and it says, "Page not found."
>>> It won't even come up.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/29/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Joshua,
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you just save that web page that you are trying to get
>>>> information
>>>> from into your favorites? It will be much, much easier; trust me. Then
>>>> when
>>>> you are ready to cite your sources, go to that page from your 
>>>> favorites,
>>>> go
>>>> into your address bar, and then copy and paste the entire contents of
>>>> that
>>>> address into your paper. What browser are you using? If you are using
>>>> Internet Explorer, you can press Alt+D to get quickly into your address
>>>> bar.
>>>> And to quickly add a favorite, press control+D then enter, assuming 
>>>> you
>>>> want the default name.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>>
>>>> I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the mental
>>>> issues of Jared Loughner.
>>>> Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New York
>>>> Times.
>>>> When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
>>>> doesn't come up.
>>>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.html
>>>> It always says, "Page not found."
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as 
>>>>> what
>>>> you
>>>>> are typing ion for the URL.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>>> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and Safety
>>>>>> class.
>>>>>> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>>>>>> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not
>>>>>> Found."
>>>>>> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find it,
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> Google.
>>>>>> What's the problem?
>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c
>>>> om
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p
>>>> ccua.edu
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g
>>>> mail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan 29 21:17:34 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:17:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
In-Reply-To: <73421B0B23E14BC4960748B6CDA3F923@stanford.edu>
References: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<455735E11AAC4DA88CB2D006E82A2261@stanford.edu>
	<CAO83KOtPPns5owFfu+yhB=J5EiVzhLrBYKpvJ3N351Z6=2sg=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<44D3515E974D464786AB88191A3C232C@HUMBERTOAVILA>
	<CAO83KOuE=Jdt6LB9jHYsm8iwLEKKYLQkNQjxXHDmH+wz3B2Ryg@mail.gmail.com>
	<41981460118249F2BC0BD6FFC5C32216@stanford.edu>
	<CAO83KOvc1MNmMhc+k0Fd-BEAyXL4wM=aVCJus5-UY02dojSm4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<73421B0B23E14BC4960748B6CDA3F923@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOsBNkXUCGm-Sj=6LS-iG+81JKkUvch5_O=LzQkT2NMjzg@mail.gmail.com>

I appreciated your assistance.
>From now on, I know what to do, because of the helpful information
that was given, from everyone of you.
Thanks alot.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> I understand that. However, simply having someone else go and get it for you
> without knowing how he/she did it is not going to help you in the long run.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
>
>> I'm new to some of this technology, so please bear with me.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> Okay, you're starting to not make sense. You said that you can get to the
>>> website by typing in the search terms and then clicking on the link in
>>> Google? Then you should be able to get the URL out of the address bar.
>>> What
>>> browser are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>
>>>
>>>> What's going on, is this.
>>>> I type in that URL, and it says, "Page not found."
>>>> It won't even come up.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/29/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Joshua,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you just save that web page that you are trying to get
>>>>> information
>>>>> from into your favorites? It will be much, much easier; trust me. Then
>>>>> when
>>>>> you are ready to cite your sources, go to that page from your
>>>>> favorites,
>>>>> go
>>>>> into your address bar, and then copy and paste the entire contents of
>>>>> that
>>>>> address into your paper. What browser are you using? If you are using
>>>>> Internet Explorer, you can press Alt+D to get quickly into your address
>>>>> bar.
>>>>> And to quickly add a favorite, press control+D then enter, assuming
>>>>> you
>>>>> want the default name.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the mental
>>>>> issues of Jared Loughner.
>>>>> Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New York
>>>>> Times.
>>>>> When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
>>>>> doesn't come up.
>>>>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.html
>>>>> It always says, "Page not found."
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as
>>>>>> what
>>>>> you
>>>>>> are typing ion for the URL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>>>> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and Safety
>>>>>>> class.
>>>>>>> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>>>>>>> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not
>>>>>>> Found."
>>>>>>> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find it,
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> Google.
>>>>>>> What's the problem?
>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c
>>>>> om
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p
>>>>> ccua.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g
>>>>> mail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Sun Jan 29 21:58:39 2012
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:58:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
References: <CAO83KOsQuEVPMTaLScSpJeiLovSJSoxNVcdGUdibhaP_6CX1qw@mail.gmail.com><455735E11AAC4DA88CB2D006E82A2261@stanford.edu><CAO83KOtPPns5owFfu+yhB=J5EiVzhLrBYKpvJ3N351Z6=2sg=Q@mail.gmail.com><44D3515E974D464786AB88191A3C232C@HUMBERTOAVILA><CAO83KOuE=Jdt6LB9jHYsm8iwLEKKYLQkNQjxXHDmH+wz3B2Ryg@mail.gmail.com><41981460118249F2BC0BD6FFC5C32216@stanford.edu><CAO83KOvc1MNmMhc+k0Fd-BEAyXL4wM=aVCJus5-UY02dojSm4Q@mail.gmail.com><73421B0B23E14BC4960748B6CDA3F923@stanford.edu>
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Message-ID: <001501ccded1$29084240$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Hello Joshua and everyone,

    The fix for this is very simple. Once you follow a link from Google or 
whatever search engine you use and the site page comes up in JAWS you can 
hit F4 to highlight the page URL and write it down so you can return to it 
in the future. An even easier approach is to bookmark the page if you know 
you'll need to revisit it for your research. Mary and I do that all the time 
and we have no trouble getting site pages to display. Here's hoping this 
will help.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!


I appreciated your assistance.
>From now on, I know what to do, because of the helpful information
that was given, from everyone of you.
Thanks alot.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> I understand that. However, simply having someone else go and get it for 
> you
> without knowing how he/she did it is not going to help you in the long 
> run.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
>
>> I'm new to some of this technology, so please bear with me.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> Okay, you're starting to not make sense. You said that you can get to 
>>> the
>>> website by typing in the search terms and then clicking on the link in
>>> Google? Then you should be able to get the URL out of the address bar.
>>> What
>>> browser are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>
>>>
>>>> What's going on, is this.
>>>> I type in that URL, and it says, "Page not found."
>>>> It won't even come up.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/29/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Joshua,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you just save that web page that you are trying to get
>>>>> information
>>>>> from into your favorites? It will be much, much easier; trust me. Then
>>>>> when
>>>>> you are ready to cite your sources, go to that page from your
>>>>> favorites,
>>>>> go
>>>>> into your address bar, and then copy and paste the entire contents of
>>>>> that
>>>>> address into your paper. What browser are you using? If you are using
>>>>> Internet Explorer, you can press Alt+D to get quickly into your 
>>>>> address
>>>>> bar.
>>>>> And to quickly add a favorite, press control+D then enter, assuming
>>>>> you
>>>>> want the default name.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the mental
>>>>> issues of Jared Loughner.
>>>>> Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New York
>>>>> Times.
>>>>> When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
>>>>> doesn't come up.
>>>>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.html
>>>>> It always says, "Page not found."
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as
>>>>>> what
>>>>> you
>>>>>> are typing ion for the URL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>>>> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and 
>>>>>>> Safety
>>>>>>> class.
>>>>>>> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>>>>>>> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not
>>>>>>> Found."
>>>>>>> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find 
>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> Google.
>>>>>>> What's the problem?
>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c
>>>>> om
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> ccua.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 22:01:31 2012
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:01:31 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
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Peter, that is the same thing I have told josh to do, but I'm not sure what
he's still doing wrong. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 1:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!

Hello Joshua and everyone,

    The fix for this is very simple. Once you follow a link from Google or 
whatever search engine you use and the site page comes up in JAWS you can 
hit F4 to highlight the page URL and write it down so you can return to it 
in the future. An even easier approach is to bookmark the page if you know 
you'll need to revisit it for your research. Mary and I do that all the time

and we have no trouble getting site pages to display. Here's hoping this 
will help.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!


I appreciated your assistance.
>From now on, I know what to do, because of the helpful information
that was given, from everyone of you.
Thanks alot.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> I understand that. However, simply having someone else go and get it for 
> you
> without knowing how he/she did it is not going to help you in the long 
> run.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
>
>> I'm new to some of this technology, so please bear with me.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> Okay, you're starting to not make sense. You said that you can get to 
>>> the
>>> website by typing in the search terms and then clicking on the link in
>>> Google? Then you should be able to get the URL out of the address bar.
>>> What
>>> browser are you using?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>
>>>
>>>> What's going on, is this.
>>>> I type in that URL, and it says, "Page not found."
>>>> It won't even come up.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/29/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Joshua,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you just save that web page that you are trying to get
>>>>> information
>>>>> from into your favorites? It will be much, much easier; trust me. Then
>>>>> when
>>>>> you are ready to cite your sources, go to that page from your
>>>>> favorites,
>>>>> go
>>>>> into your address bar, and then copy and paste the entire contents of
>>>>> that
>>>>> address into your paper. What browser are you using? If you are using
>>>>> Internet Explorer, you can press Alt+D to get quickly into your 
>>>>> address
>>>>> bar.
>>>>> And to quickly add a favorite, press control+D then enter, assuming
>>>>> you
>>>>> want the default name.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the mental
>>>>> issues of Jared Loughner.
>>>>> Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New York
>>>>> Times.
>>>>> When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
>>>>> doesn't come up.
>>>>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.html
>>>>> It always says, "Page not found."
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as
>>>>>> what
>>>>> you
>>>>>> are typing ion for the URL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>>>> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and 
>>>>>>> Safety
>>>>>>> class.
>>>>>>> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>>>>>>> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not
>>>>>>> Found."
>>>>>>> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find 
>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> Google.
>>>>>>> What's the problem?
>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c
>>>>> om
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p
>>>>> ccua.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g
>>>>> mail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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om
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Jan 29 22:38:32 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:38:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
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	<CAO83KOtPPns5owFfu+yhB=J5EiVzhLrBYKpvJ3N351Z6=2sg=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<44D3515E974D464786AB88191A3C232C@HUMBERTOAVILA>
	<CAO83KOuE=Jdt6LB9jHYsm8iwLEKKYLQkNQjxXHDmH+wz3B2Ryg@mail.gmail.com>
	<41981460118249F2BC0BD6FFC5C32216@stanford.edu>
	<CAO83KOvc1MNmMhc+k0Fd-BEAyXL4wM=aVCJus5-UY02dojSm4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<73421B0B23E14BC4960748B6CDA3F923@stanford.edu>
	<CAO83KOsBNkXUCGm-Sj=6LS-iG+81JKkUvch5_O=LzQkT2NMjzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<001501ccded1$29084240$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<2897288872AD4DD9889CA5B7B0AC2759@HUMBERTOAVILA>
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Humberto, I've got everything to work.
Thanks for your help!
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/29/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter, that is the same thing I have told josh to do, but I'm not sure what
> he's still doing wrong.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Peter Donahue
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 1:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
> Hello Joshua and everyone,
>
>     The fix for this is very simple. Once you follow a link from Google or
> whatever search engine you use and the site page comes up in JAWS you can
> hit F4 to highlight the page URL and write it down so you can return to it
> in the future. An even easier approach is to bookmark the page if you know
> you'll need to revisit it for your research. Mary and I do that all the time
>
> and we have no trouble getting site pages to display. Here's hoping this
> will help.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
>
> I appreciated your assistance.
> From now on, I know what to do, because of the helpful information
> that was given, from everyone of you.
> Thanks alot.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> I understand that. However, simply having someone else go and get it for
>> you
>> without knowing how he/she did it is not going to help you in the long
>> run.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>
>>
>>> I'm new to some of this technology, so please bear with me.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>> Okay, you're starting to not make sense. You said that you can get to
>>>> the
>>>> website by typing in the search terms and then clicking on the link in
>>>> Google? Then you should be able to get the URL out of the address bar.
>>>> What
>>>> browser are you using?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What's going on, is this.
>>>>> I type in that URL, and it says, "Page not found."
>>>>> It won't even come up.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/29/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Joshua,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you just save that web page that you are trying to get
>>>>>> information
>>>>>> from into your favorites? It will be much, much easier; trust me. Then
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> you are ready to cite your sources, go to that page from your
>>>>>> favorites,
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> into your address bar, and then copy and paste the entire contents of
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> address into your paper. What browser are you using? If you are using
>>>>>> Internet Explorer, you can press Alt+D to get quickly into your
>>>>>> address
>>>>>> bar.
>>>>>> And to quickly add a favorite, press control+D then enter, assuming
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> want the default name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the mental
>>>>>> issues of Jared Loughner.
>>>>>> Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New York
>>>>>> Times.
>>>>>> When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
>>>>>> doesn't come up.
>>>>>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.html
>>>>>> It always says, "Page not found."
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well as
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> are typing ion for the URL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>>>>> I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and
>>>>>>>> Safety
>>>>>>>> class.
>>>>>>>> The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>>>>>>>> Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page not
>>>>>>>> Found."
>>>>>>>> I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find
>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> Google.
>>>>>>>> What's the problem?
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c
>>>>>> om
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p
>>>>>> ccua.edu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From will.lindsay1 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 00:18:54 2012
From: will.lindsay1 at gmail.com (will lindsay)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:18:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone interested in a new and unused KNFB reader?
Message-ID: <CABne5bGx3VeuzhdceJYydvLp2O+DMt7kCfm7DuAhzYSroKVWrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellow students,

My name is Will Lindsay and I live in Baltimmore, Md.  I was honored
and priveledged to have won such a wonderful door prize at our state
convention in Ocean City, Md. in October of 2011.  Unfortunately for
me I left T-Mobile a month prior to winning this coveted prize that
has been appraised at nearly #$1,400.  I am looking to give it a great
home and will part with it for as low as $850.
If there are any takers please email me at  will.lindsay1 at gmail.com
specifying in the subject line your interest.  You may also call me at
443.415.9828.  I look forward to hearing from you for more than this
transaction.

Academically yours,

Lindsay
-- 
"...given proper training and opportunity, the average blind person
can do the average job in the average place of business and do it as
well as his or her sighted neighbor..." Freedom for the Blind, James
H. Omvig


From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jan 30 00:59:30 2012
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:59:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone interested in a new and unused KNFB reader?
References: <CABne5bGx3VeuzhdceJYydvLp2O+DMt7kCfm7DuAhzYSroKVWrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <983F875E56BD4406A7BECE76BBF61916@stanford.edu>

You don't have to have the phone service just to use the reader if you want 
to use the reader.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "will lindsay" <will.lindsay1 at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone interested in a new and unused KNFB reader?


> Hello fellow students,
>
> My name is Will Lindsay and I live in Baltimmore, Md.  I was honored
> and priveledged to have won such a wonderful door prize at our state
> convention in Ocean City, Md. in October of 2011.  Unfortunately for
> me I left T-Mobile a month prior to winning this coveted prize that
> has been appraised at nearly #$1,400.  I am looking to give it a great
> home and will part with it for as low as $850.
> If there are any takers please email me at  will.lindsay1 at gmail.com
> specifying in the subject line your interest.  You may also call me at
> 443.415.9828.  I look forward to hearing from you for more than this
> transaction.
>
> Academically yours,
>
> Lindsay
> -- 
> "...given proper training and opportunity, the average blind person
> can do the average job in the average place of business and do it as
> well as his or her sighted neighbor..." Freedom for the Blind, James
> H. Omvig
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 01:50:06 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:50:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
Message-ID: <4f25f78a.8546e00a.1482.fffffad8@mx.google.com>

Hi Joshua,

Unless there is something wrong with the Google site, it should 
present each "hit" as a link from the search results page.  Just 
hit enter on the link you want, and it should take you to the 
site.  If you're not seeing the links, try refreshing the page on 
the Google results page.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:11:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and 
Safety class.
The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page 
not Found."
I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I find 
it, on Google.
What's the problem?
Thanks, Joshua

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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 07:03:43 2012
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:03:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Spread the Word: NABS Cafe Feb. 6, 2012
Message-ID: <003e01ccdf1d$4f1d07d0$ed571770$@com>

Hello friends,

 

Please find attached, as well as pasted below, all the info on NABS’
exciting fundraiser taking place on Monday February 6. As you make your
plans for Washington Seminar, please plan to drop in and support NABS and
the important work we all do together. It promises to be a great time, so
stop on by, and tell all your friends! 

 

Please forward this message to anybody you know who might be interested in
attending. Your assistance in getting out the word is most appreciated.

 

Many thanks,

 

Sean

 

NABS Café

 

When: Monday, February 6 from 8:00pm to midnight

Where: The Discovery II room of the Holiday Inn Capitol, 550 C Street SW,
Washington, DC

What: Live music; silent and live auction; cash bar, free snacks; and the
chance to meet and mingle with new friends and old, while supporting the
National Association of Blind students

How Much: $5 with advanced purchase and $7 at the door

Why: Because it’s going to be Awesome!

 

The National Association of Blind Students would like to cordially invite
you to attend NABS Café 2012!

 

Drop in between 8:00 and 9:00 pm to place silent bids on an excellent list
of auction items (including: a pair of Disney Park Hopper passes, a week in
a luxury 6 bedroom vacation home on North Carolina’s Outer Banks, a
SmartView video magnifier, a Victor Reader Stream, gift baskets from Lush
and Mary Kay, iPod accessories, chocolate, wine, and so much more), and then
stick around throughout the night as all-star auctioneer Jacki Brown brings
items live, while entertaining bidders and spectators alike!

 

>From 9:00 to midnight items will be auctioned off between sets of live
music, performed by some of the NFB’s most talented musicians, like Parnell
Diggs, Chris Danielson, Briley Pollard, Richie Flores, Sean Whalen, and
others.

 

And, of course, there will be a cash bar, as well as light snacks available
at no charge.

 

So, come on out, bring your friends, and make some new ones! All are invited
to support the important work of the NFB students.

 

To prepurchase tickets for $5, see any member of the NABS board on Sunday
February 5, or before the event on Monday, February 6. We’ll be all over the
hotel, and making our presence known. You can also find us at the NABS
winter seminar in the foyer to Discovery II between 9:00am and 1:00pm, or at
our resource fair for blind students between 2:30 and 4:00 pm in the same
location. If you wish to prepurchase, but are unable to find a NABS board
member, please call, text or email Sean Whalen at 608 332-4147 or
smwhalenpsp at gmail.com. We will get you hooked up! Tickets will also be
available for $7 at the door.

 

We look forward to seeing you on Monday February 6!

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From catherine.1966 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 18:23:01 2012
From: catherine.1966 at yahoo.com (Catherine Newman)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:23:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Does Anyone Need A Female Roommate?
Message-ID: <1327947781.74887.YahooMailNeo@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hello Everyone!
 
Does anyone need a female roommate at Washington Seminar on Monday night Feburary 06, 2012. Don't want to come from Delaware for the day. Willing to share the room with 3 other females or a peices of the floor for the night. Please contact me off line.
 
Thanks!
Catherine Newman
Delawares' Youth Coordinator

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 19:12:15 2012
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:12:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: TSA Helpline for Travelers with Disabilities
In-Reply-To: <E9B8B15E-3829-41C1-AB0D-4EB566F141C2@aol.com>
References: <1327934562100.756639.34915503.bulletin.info@messages.whitehouse.gov>
	<E9B8B15E-3829-41C1-AB0D-4EB566F141C2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAEwUdjMgbNnndO5S02VmVZNYS2zt3zPOgJ1V4LR+xkmAUhmLDg@mail.gmail.com>

For your information

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: ds94124 at aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:51:02 -0800
Subject: Fwd: TSA Helpline for Travelers with Disabilities
To: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: The White House <info at messages.whitehouse.gov>
> Date: January 30, 2012 6:43:06 AM PST
> To: ds94124 at aol.com
> Subject: TSA Helpline for Travelers with Disabilities
> Reply-To: The White House <info at messages.whitehouse.gov>
>
>
> 	Monday, January 30, 2012
>  	
> TSA Helpline for Travelers with Disabilities
>
> Please see the below links and press release regarding a new service from the TSA for travel.
>
> http://www.tsa.gov/press/releases/2011/1222.shtm
>
> http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/disabilityandmedicalneeds/tsa_cares.shtm
>
> The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) announced the launch of TSA Cares today, a new helpline number designed to assist travelers with disabilities and medical
> conditions, prior to getting to the airport. Travelers may call TSA Cares toll free at 1-855-787 2227 prior to traveling with questions about screening policies, procedures and what to expect at the security checkpoint.
>
> “TSA Cares provides passengers with disabilities and medical needs another resource to use before they fly, so they know what to expect when going through the screening process,” said TSA Administrator John Pistole. “This additional level of personal communication helps ensure that even those who do not travel often are aware of our screening policies before they arrive at the airport.”
>
> Since its inception, TSA has provided information to all travelers through its TSA Contact Center and Customer Service Managers in airports nationwide. TSA Cares will serve as an additional, dedicated resource for passengers with disabilities, medical conditions or other circumstances or their loved ones who want to prepare for the screening process prior to flying.
>
> When a passenger with a disability or medical condition calls TSA Cares, a representative will provide assistance, either with information about screening that is relevant to the passenger’s specific disability or medical condition, or the passenger may be referred to disability experts at TSA. TSA recommends that passengers call approximately 72 hours ahead of travel so that TSA Cares has the opportunity to coordinate checkpoint support with a TSA Customer Service Manager located at the airport when necessary.
>
> Every person and item must be screened before entering the secure area of an airport and the manner in which the screening is conducted will depend on the passenger’s abilities and any specific equipment brought to the security checkpoint.
>
> TSA strives to provide the highest level of security while ensuring that all passengers are treated with dignity and respect. The agency works regularly with a broad coalition of disability and medical condition advocacy groups to help understand their needs and adapt screening procedures accordingly. TSA holds quarterly meetings with this coalition to inform them about current training and screening procedures used in airports. TSA recently hosted a teleconference with members of these groups to announce the long-standing plans to implement TSA Cares for travelers and inform them of the upcoming launch.
>
> All travelers may ask to speak to a TSA supervisor if questions about screening procedures arise while at the security checkpoint. The hours of operation for the TSA Cares helpline are Monday through Friday 9 a.m. – 9 p.m. EST, excluding federal holidays. After hours, travelers can find information about traveling with disabilities and medical needs on TSA’s website.
>
> All travelers can contact TSA using Talk To TSA, a web-based tool that allows passengers to reach out to an airport Customer Service Manager directly, and the TSA Contact Center, 1 866-289-9673 and TSA-ContactCenter at dhs.gov, where travelers can ask questions, provide suggestions and file complaints. Travelers who are deaf or hard of hearing can use a relay service to contact TSA Cares or can e-mail TSA-ContactCenter at dhs.gov
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"To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the
formula
for a life well lived."

- Dr. Peter Benson


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 19:19:45 2012
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:19:45 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Spread the Word: NABS Cafe Feb. 6, 2012
In-Reply-To: <003e01ccdf1d$4f1d07d0$ed571770$@com>
References: <003e01ccdf1d$4f1d07d0$ed571770$@com>
Message-ID: <CAEwUdjNc-Vj-Fin-Fws4=7+v2+k0ZCAKmgu6vk_Lx6RraAJNkQ@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Sean Whalen <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:03:43 -0600
Subject: Spread the Word: NABS Cafe Feb. 6, 2012
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org, List for NABS State Presidents
<nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>

Hello friends,



Please find attached, as well as pasted below, all the info on NABS’
exciting fundraiser taking place on Monday February 6. As you make your
plans for Washington Seminar, please plan to drop in and support NABS and
the important work we all do together. It promises to be a great time, so
stop on by, and tell all your friends!



Please forward this message to anybody you know who might be interested in
attending. Your assistance in getting out the word is most appreciated.



Many thanks,



Sean



NABS Café



When: Monday, February 6 from 8:00pm to midnight

Where: The Discovery II room of the Holiday Inn Capitol, 550 C Street SW,
Washington, DC

What: Live music; silent and live auction; cash bar, free snacks; and the
chance to meet and mingle with new friends and old, while supporting the
National Association of Blind students

How Much: $5 with advanced purchase and $7 at the door

Why: Because it’s going to be Awesome!



The National Association of Blind Students would like to cordially invite
you to attend NABS Café 2012!



Drop in between 8:00 and 9:00 pm to place silent bids on an excellent list
of auction items (including: a pair of Disney Park Hopper passes, a week in
a luxury 6 bedroom vacation home on North Carolina’s Outer Banks, a
SmartView video magnifier, a Victor Reader Stream, gift baskets from Lush
and Mary Kay, iPod accessories, chocolate, wine, and so much more), and then
stick around throughout the night as all-star auctioneer Jacki Brown brings
items live, while entertaining bidders and spectators alike!



>From 9:00 to midnight items will be auctioned off between sets of live
music, performed by some of the NFB’s most talented musicians, like Parnell
Diggs, Chris Danielson, Briley Pollard, Richie Flores, Sean Whalen, and
others.



And, of course, there will be a cash bar, as well as light snacks available
at no charge.



So, come on out, bring your friends, and make some new ones! All are invited
to support the important work of the NFB students.



To prepurchase tickets for $5, see any member of the NABS board on Sunday
February 5, or before the event on Monday, February 6. We’ll be all over the
hotel, and making our presence known. You can also find us at the NABS
winter seminar in the foyer to Discovery II between 9:00am and 1:00pm, or at
our resource fair for blind students between 2:30 and 4:00 pm in the same
location. If you wish to prepurchase, but are unable to find a NABS board
member, please call, text or email Sean Whalen at 608 332-4147 or
smwhalenpsp at gmail.com. We will get you hooked up! Tickets will also be
available for $7 at the door.



We look forward to seeing you on Monday February 6!




-- 
Darian Smith

"To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the
formula
for a life well lived."

- Dr. Peter Benson
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 21:58:36 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:58:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
Message-ID: <4f2712c9.611f340a.1912.ffff8333@mx.google.com>

Will it come up if you click on the link from the results page? 
If so, just click on the link, then hit alt a (in Internet 
Explorer) for the favorites menu and select add to favorites.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:23:11 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!

What's going on, is this.
I type in that URL, and it says, "Page not found."
It won't even come up.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/29/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> 
wrote:
 Hello Joshua,

 Why don't you just save that web page that you are trying to get 
information
 from into your favorites? It will be much, much easier; trust 
me.  Then when
 you are ready to cite your sources, go to that page from your 
favorites, go
 into your address bar, and then copy and paste the entire 
contents of that
 address into your paper.  What browser are you using? If you are 
using
 Internet Explorer, you can press Alt+D to get quickly into your 
address bar.
 And to quickly add a favorite, press control+D then enter, 
assuming  you
 want the default name.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
 Of Joshua Lester
 Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!

 I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the 
mental
 issues of Jared Loughner.
 Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New 
York Times.
 When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
 doesn't come up.
 
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.
html
 It always says, "Page not found."
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/29/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well 
as what
 you
 are typing ion for the URL.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!


 Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
 I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and 
Safety
 class.
 The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
 Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page 
not
 Found."
 I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I 
find it, on
 Google.
 What's the problem?
 Thanks, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 21:58:39 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:58:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone interested in a new and unused KNFB reader?
Message-ID: <4f2712cd.611f340a.1912.ffff8336@mx.google.com>

Hi Will,

Are you a new member of the list? If so, welcome! I'm glad to see 
another Marylander here! I didn't get a chance to meet you at 
state convention; will you be in Annapolis this year or in Dallas 
for national convention?

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: will lindsay <will.lindsay1 at gmail.com
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:18:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone interested in a new and unused KNFB 
reader?

Hello fellow students,

My name is Will Lindsay and I live in Baltimmore, Md.  I was 
honored
and priveledged to have won such a wonderful door prize at our 
state
convention in Ocean City, Md.  in October of 2011.  Unfortunately 
for
me I left T-Mobile a month prior to winning this coveted prize 
that
has been appraised at nearly #$1,400.  I am looking to give it a 
great
home and will part with it for as low as $850.
If there are any takers please email me at  
will.lindsay1 at gmail.com
specifying in the subject line your interest.  You may also call 
me at
443.415.9828.  I look forward to hearing from you for more than 
this
transaction.

Academically yours,

Lindsay
--
"...given proper training and opportunity, the average blind 
person
can do the average job in the average place of business and do it 
as
well as his or her sighted neighbor..." Freedom for the Blind, 
James
H.  Omvig

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Jan 30 22:14:46 2012
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:14:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
In-Reply-To: <4f2712c9.611f340a.1912.ffff8333@mx.google.com>
References: <4f2712c9.611f340a.1912.ffff8333@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOtmmcJsEtNnfdk_YYdHVmPUeNBGDGA0cUKJQGeDk=_51Q@mail.gmail.com>

It does.
That's what I did.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/30/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Will it come up if you click on the link from the results page?
> If so, just click on the link, then hit alt a (in Internet
> Explorer) for the favorites menu and select add to favorites.
>
> Chris
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:23:11 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
> What's going on, is this.
> I type in that URL, and it says, "Page not found."
> It won't even come up.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/29/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>  Hello Joshua,
>
>  Why don't you just save that web page that you are trying to get
> information
>  from into your favorites? It will be much, much easier; trust
> me.  Then when
>  you are ready to cite your sources, go to that page from your
> favorites, go
>  into your address bar, and then copy and paste the entire
> contents of that
>  address into your paper.  What browser are you using? If you are
> using
>  Internet Explorer, you can press Alt+D to get quickly into your
> address bar.
>  And to quickly add a favorite, press control+D then enter,
> assuming  you
>  want the default name.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>  Of Joshua Lester
>  Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
>  I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the
> mental
>  issues of Jared Loughner.
>  Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the New
> York Times.
>  When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, it
>  doesn't come up.
>
> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.
> html
>  It always says, "Page not found."
>  Blessings, Joshua
>
>  On 1/29/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>  Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well
> as what
>  you
>  are typing ion for the URL.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
>  Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
>
>
>  Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>  I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and
> Safety
>  class.
>  The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
>  Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page
> not
>  Found."
>  I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I
> find it, on
>  Google.
>  What's the problem?
>  Thanks, Joshua
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 22:32:56 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:32:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: Google scholarships - please spread the word
Message-ID: <4f271ad5.731c340a.37be.ffff89fb@mx.google.com>

FYI...

Please see below for information on Google scholarships for 
students with disabilities!

Chris



Scholarships |
<http://googleforstudents.blogspot.com/2012/01/google-scholarship
s-in-north-
america.html> Google Scholarships in North America - Now 
accepting
applications! (Google Student Blog):





As part of Google's ongoing commitment to advancing computing and
technology, we are pleased to support the work of our partner 
organizations
in providing scholarships to students studying computer science.

Today we are announcing the following scholarship opportunities 
in North
America -- now accepting applications!



*
<http://limeconnect.com/opportunities/page/google-lime-scholarshi
p-program
Google Lime Scholarship for Students with Disabilities - 
Deadline: February
5, 2012

*
<http://www.aises.org/what/programs/scholarships/info/googleschol
ars> Google
AISES Scholarship - Deadline: February 29, 2012

*
<http://hispanicfund.org/programs/college/scholarships/google-sch
olarship-pr
ogram> Google Hispanic College Fund Scholarship - Deadline: March 
1, 2012

*                                 Google UNCF Scholarship -
<http://www.uncf.org/forstudents/scholarDetailSGA.asp?id=714> US 
Application
;  
<http://www.uncf.org/forstudents/scholardetail.asp?Sch_ID=20870> 
Canada
Application - Deadline: March 18, 2012

In addition, we are still accepting applications for the
<http://googleforstudents.blogspot.com/2010/12/2011-google-anita-
borg-memori
al.html> Google Anita Borg Memorial Scholarship (Deadline: 
February 6,
2012).

Scholarship recipients will each receive a $10,000 scholarship 
for the
2012-2013 academic year and will be invited to attend the 
all-expenses-paid
annual
<http://googleforstudents.blogspot.com/2011/09/my-summer-google-s
cholars-ret
reat.html> Google Scholars' Retreat at the Googleplex in Mountain 
View, CA.
Scholarships will be awarded based on the strength of the 
applicants'
academic background and their demonstrated passion for computer 
science.

For complete details on all of our scholarships, please visit
<http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/students/proscho/scholarships
/uscanada/
www.google.com/jobs/scholarships.



--




From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 22:35:11 2012
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:35:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!
Message-ID: <4f271b5d.2a71340a.450a.ffff88b7@mx.google.com>

Good! Glad you got it fixed!

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:14:46 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!

It does.
That's what I did.
Thanks, Joshua

On 1/30/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Will it come up if you click on the link from the results page?
 If so, just click on the link, then hit alt a (in Internet
 Explorer) for the favorites menu and select add to favorites.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:23:11 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!

 What's going on, is this.
 I type in that URL, and it says, "Page not found."
 It won't even come up.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/29/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hello Joshua,

  Why don't you just save that web page that you are trying to 
get
 information
  from into your favorites? It will be much, much easier; trust
 me.  Then when
  you are ready to cite your sources, go to that page from your
 favorites, go
  into your address bar, and then copy and paste the entire
 contents of that
  address into your paper.  What browser are you using? If you 
are
 using
  Internet Explorer, you can press Alt+D to get quickly into your
 address bar.
  And to quickly add a favorite, press control+D then enter,
 assuming  you
  want the default name.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
 [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
  Of Joshua Lester
  Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 AM
  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!

  I'm doing a report on mental health, and I'm talking about the
 mental
  issues of Jared Loughner.
  Here's the link, that I've received through Google, from the 
New
 York Times.
  When I click on it, it comes up, but when I type in this URL, 
it
  doesn't come up.

 
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/jared_lee_loughner/index.
 html
  It always says, "Page not found."
  Blessings, Joshua

  On 1/29/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
 <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
  Please give the search terms that you typed into Google as well
 as what
  you
  are typing ion for the URL.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:11 AM
  Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble doing a report!


  Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
  I have a problem, when I try to do a report, for my Health and
 Safety
  class.
  The instructor wants two online sources, for this report.
  Every time I type in the link, that I find, I always get, "Page
 not
  Found."
  I don't understand why, because I type it, exactly the way I
 find it, on
  Google.
  What's the problem?
  Thanks, Joshua

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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 02:24:17 2012
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:24:17 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] cleaning up the snow within bus stops
Message-ID: <DFB4163DC50E418590920BD567C0C1DA@HUMBERTOAVILA>

Hello all,
 
I am running into a problem that has been bothering me to a point where I
want to try out my advocacy skills, and I would like to share it with you.
 
Well. here is the story.  a couple of weeks ago a major winter storm was
upon us here in Central Washington State, and it really affected my city,
Yakima. We had a snowfall that left about up to 5 inches of snow throughout
the city, and the first two days that happened it went nonstop for more than
24 hours. this left people unable to go to work and school for about two
days, and public as well as school routes for buses were reduced or limited
those days. this storm left me unable to ride the city bus to and from
school, making my Dad take me to and from school for the rest of next week.
today that still continued; My dad still drove me to school and back home. 
 
While the roads and all highways are clean, many sidewalks including
sidewalks where there are bus stops and benches are still soaked into so
much snow and ice from two weeks ago. And you know what is worse? the people
or machines who clean the snow in the mornings or nights deposit all that
snow there, leaving the piles and trails of snow into those very places I
mentioned, especially at the bus stops. Now in fact, that snow has turned
into ice, and the sidewalks with bus stops are even more slippery and hard
to walk or step on. 
 
With all this mess, how is a blind person going to walk to take their
desired public transportation? How am I supposed to step on all those
mountains of slippery ice waiting for the bus? 
for once, this is driving me crazy and is putting my independence at risk of
going down the drain. Like I said, my parent has to drive me to and from,
every day, and if this continues to happen, I fear that I will lose practice
of traveling on the city bus. 
 
what it's making things more bothersome is that, quite frankly, I feel
embarrassed by my Dad to pick me up at the college, right in front of the
main class building, and take me there because, well, about 99.2% of all the
college students can DRIVE and do DRIVE their own cars, and I don't know
what they think of me when my Dad has to do that. I am very disappointed
with them not being able to also clean up the snow and ice from the bus
stops and their sidewalks. I am also angry because they don't even think
about people, especially blind or disabled, depending on buses to take them
everywhere since they have to use those bus stops.
 
What should I do? Where should I start from in trying to put someone to
clear up those paths and sidewalks where there are bus stop so that I can
travel safely and independently once again? who should I tell about this?
which authority should know this? 
 
I wonder how sighted people are getting off and on those buses with all this
sleek. I'm sure Ice can try out on those sidewalks and stops, however, it is
very cold and I doubt this will happen soon enough for me to ride the bus.
do you have any recommendations for me on this situation? Any ideas?
suggestions? tips?
 
your help and advice is welcome please. I'm tired of my dad having to drive
here and there every morning and spend his gas, and embarrassed that I am
one of those very few, or the only one, whose parents take them to college.
I'm sure no college student wants that since we are now adults.
 
Sincerely,
Humberto

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 03:24:50 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:24:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] cleaning up the snow within bus stops
In-Reply-To: <DFB4163DC50E418590920BD567C0C1DA@HUMBERTOAVILA>
References: <DFB4163DC50E418590920BD567C0C1DA@HUMBERTOAVILA>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCNHRk3=oy2xKNLqY9Vyv0cmopN2gdgtZ2oQN-eo9Js_g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Humberto,
I totally understand your frustration with the snow and ice on the
sidewalks and especially your discomfort about having your dad drive
you to and from school. While I do hope that the sidewalks eventually
get cleaned up, the good news is that you can walk safely to the bus
stop and take the bus, assuming the buses are now running again on the
streets. It will take a little practice to get the hang of traveling
through snow, but it's entirely possible to do it safely and, in fact,
many blind people walk around independently during winter weather. I'm
not sure if you tried to walk to the bus stop already and had trouble,
or if you haven't trried it yet because you are worried about slipping
or getting turned around. If you haven't tried it yet I would
encourage you to at least give it a try. You might find it's actually
a lot less frightening than it sounds. Here are a few tips:
-- If you haven't already, I would urge you to go out and get a pair
of good snowboots. I think there are also things you can buy to put
under the soles of your boots to give them more tread so they slip
less on the ice.
-- I think you are a cane user. When you walk on the sidewalks, use a
sliding motion with your cane. You will be able to feel in advance
whether you are coming up on snow or ice because the ice will feel
slippery under your cane. If you feel ice approaching, sweep your cane
out a little bit to the sides to see if there's a clear path around
it. You might be able to avoid some or all of the ice by walking on
grass or gravel. It might be snowy, but it shouldn't be as slippery as
the sidewalk.
-- Stepping on a pile of snow is inconvenient but it's usually not dangerous.
-- I have really bad balance and while I don't have much trouble with
snow, I do find walking on ice makes me nervous. If I have to walk
through a very slippery area and there's no way around it (i.e. no
grass) I will get down on my hands and knees and crawl over the most
slippery spot, then stand up and keep walking when the sidewalk is
more clear. This isn't the most fun, but if I really feel like I'm
going to fall it allows me to keep going without falling.
-- Also, if you happen to havve someone else walking by and you don't
feel safe, I think it is fine to ask that person if you can hold on to
their arm while you are crossing the icy patch. I do this
occasionally, again because I have bad balance, which isn't even
totally related to blindness. You shouldn't need to hold someone's arm
for the whole walk-just the parts that are very slippery.

Again, I think if you try doing your normal bus route even tomorrow,
you may discover it's not as difficult as you thought. I lived my
whole life in Phoenix and never dealt with snow at all until I moved
to Colorado in 2008. I expected it to be very hard to get around but
the adjustment was much easier than I expected. If you have tried
getting to the bus stop and had problems, and can tell us a little
more about specifically what went wrong, I'm sure many of us on the
list (including those with more snow experience than I, which is most
of us) will have plenty of suggestions for ways to work through those
problems so you can regain your independence without having to bet on
the weather to warm up or the city to clean it up.
Best,
Arielle

On 1/30/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I am running into a problem that has been bothering me to a point where I
> want to try out my advocacy skills, and I would like to share it with you.
>
> Well. here is the story.  a couple of weeks ago a major winter storm was
> upon us here in Central Washington State, and it really affected my city,
> Yakima. We had a snowfall that left about up to 5 inches of snow throughout
> the city, and the first two days that happened it went nonstop for more than
> 24 hours. this left people unable to go to work and school for about two
> days, and public as well as school routes for buses were reduced or limited
> those days. this storm left me unable to ride the city bus to and from
> school, making my Dad take me to and from school for the rest of next week.
> today that still continued; My dad still drove me to school and back home.
>
> While the roads and all highways are clean, many sidewalks including
> sidewalks where there are bus stops and benches are still soaked into so
> much snow and ice from two weeks ago. And you know what is worse? the people
> or machines who clean the snow in the mornings or nights deposit all that
> snow there, leaving the piles and trails of snow into those very places I
> mentioned, especially at the bus stops. Now in fact, that snow has turned
> into ice, and the sidewalks with bus stops are even more slippery and hard
> to walk or step on.
>
> With all this mess, how is a blind person going to walk to take their
> desired public transportation? How am I supposed to step on all those
> mountains of slippery ice waiting for the bus?
> for once, this is driving me crazy and is putting my independence at risk of
> going down the drain. Like I said, my parent has to drive me to and from,
> every day, and if this continues to happen, I fear that I will lose practice
> of traveling on the city bus.
>
> what it's making things more bothersome is that, quite frankly, I feel
> embarrassed by my Dad to pick me up at the college, right in front of the
> main class building, and take me there because, well, about 99.2% of all the
> college students can DRIVE and do DRIVE their own cars, and I don't know
> what they think of me when my Dad has to do that. I am very disappointed
> with them not being able to also clean up the snow and ice from the bus
> stops and their sidewalks. I am also angry because they don't even think
> about people, especially blind or disabled, depending on buses to take them
> everywhere since they have to use those bus stops.
>
> What should I do? Where should I start from in trying to put someone to
> clear up those paths and sidewalks where there are bus stop so that I can
> travel safely and independently once again? who should I tell about this?
> which authority should know this?
>
> I wonder how sighted people are getting off and on those buses with all this
> sleek. I'm sure Ice can try out on those sidewalks and stops, however, it is
> very cold and I doubt this will happen soon enough for me to ride the bus.
> do you have any recommendations for me on this situation? Any ideas?
> suggestions? tips?
>
> your help and advice is welcome please. I'm tired of my dad having to drive
> here and there every morning and spend his gas, and embarrassed that I am
> one of those very few, or the only one, whose parents take them to college.
> I'm sure no college student wants that since we are now adults.
>
> Sincerely,
> Humberto
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 03:53:22 2012
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:53:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] cleaning up the snow within bus stops
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References: <DFB4163DC50E418590920BD567C0C1DA@HUMBERTOAVILA>
	<CALAYQJCNHRk3=oy2xKNLqY9Vyv0cmopN2gdgtZ2oQN-eo9Js_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A927AFE654564CE280C19D7C1D9968EF@HUMBERTOAVILA>

Well the problem is, I suppose, the ice, which is very, very slippery. And
no, I haven't tried it out yet because, like always, my parents kept me from
doing it. They say that it is too dangerous and the ice is very big, like it
covers most of the area and it is accumulate as to form some kind of blocked
path, which, they think, they aren't even sure how sighted people are
crossing that. I'm going to see how it goes tomorrow and whether I can
convince them to let me try it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cleaning up the snow within bus stops

Hi Humberto,
I totally understand your frustration with the snow and ice on the
sidewalks and especially your discomfort about having your dad drive
you to and from school. While I do hope that the sidewalks eventually
get cleaned up, the good news is that you can walk safely to the bus
stop and take the bus, assuming the buses are now running again on the
streets. It will take a little practice to get the hang of traveling
through snow, but it's entirely possible to do it safely and, in fact,
many blind people walk around independently during winter weather. I'm
not sure if you tried to walk to the bus stop already and had trouble,
or if you haven't trried it yet because you are worried about slipping
or getting turned around. If you haven't tried it yet I would
encourage you to at least give it a try. You might find it's actually
a lot less frightening than it sounds. Here are a few tips:
-- If you haven't already, I would urge you to go out and get a pair
of good snowboots. I think there are also things you can buy to put
under the soles of your boots to give them more tread so they slip
less on the ice.
-- I think you are a cane user. When you walk on the sidewalks, use a
sliding motion with your cane. You will be able to feel in advance
whether you are coming up on snow or ice because the ice will feel
slippery under your cane. If you feel ice approaching, sweep your cane
out a little bit to the sides to see if there's a clear path around
it. You might be able to avoid some or all of the ice by walking on
grass or gravel. It might be snowy, but it shouldn't be as slippery as
the sidewalk.
-- Stepping on a pile of snow is inconvenient but it's usually not
dangerous.
-- I have really bad balance and while I don't have much trouble with
snow, I do find walking on ice makes me nervous. If I have to walk
through a very slippery area and there's no way around it (i.e. no
grass) I will get down on my hands and knees and crawl over the most
slippery spot, then stand up and keep walking when the sidewalk is
more clear. This isn't the most fun, but if I really feel like I'm
going to fall it allows me to keep going without falling.
-- Also, if you happen to havve someone else walking by and you don't
feel safe, I think it is fine to ask that person if you can hold on to
their arm while you are crossing the icy patch. I do this
occasionally, again because I have bad balance, which isn't even
totally related to blindness. You shouldn't need to hold someone's arm
for the whole walk-just the parts that are very slippery.

Again, I think if you try doing your normal bus route even tomorrow,
you may discover it's not as difficult as you thought. I lived my
whole life in Phoenix and never dealt with snow at all until I moved
to Colorado in 2008. I expected it to be very hard to get around but
the adjustment was much easier than I expected. If you have tried
getting to the bus stop and had problems, and can tell us a little
more about specifically what went wrong, I'm sure many of us on the
list (including those with more snow experience than I, which is most
of us) will have plenty of suggestions for ways to work through those
problems so you can regain your independence without having to bet on
the weather to warm up or the city to clean it up.
Best,
Arielle

On 1/30/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I am running into a problem that has been bothering me to a point where I
> want to try out my advocacy skills, and I would like to share it with you.
>
> Well. here is the story.  a couple of weeks ago a major winter storm was
> upon us here in Central Washington State, and it really affected my city,
> Yakima. We had a snowfall that left about up to 5 inches of snow
throughout
> the city, and the first two days that happened it went nonstop for more
than
> 24 hours. this left people unable to go to work and school for about two
> days, and public as well as school routes for buses were reduced or
limited
> those days. this storm left me unable to ride the city bus to and from
> school, making my Dad take me to and from school for the rest of next
week.
> today that still continued; My dad still drove me to school and back home.
>
> While the roads and all highways are clean, many sidewalks including
> sidewalks where there are bus stops and benches are still soaked into so
> much snow and ice from two weeks ago. And you know what is worse? the
people
> or machines who clean the snow in the mornings or nights deposit all that
> snow there, leaving the piles and trails of snow into those very places I
> mentioned, especially at the bus stops. Now in fact, that snow has turned
> into ice, and the sidewalks with bus stops are even more slippery and hard
> to walk or step on.
>
> With all this mess, how is a blind person going to walk to take their
> desired public transportation? How am I supposed to step on all those
> mountains of slippery ice waiting for the bus?
> for once, this is driving me crazy and is putting my independence at risk
of
> going down the drain. Like I said, my parent has to drive me to and from,
> every day, and if this continues to happen, I fear that I will lose
practice
> of traveling on the city bus.
>
> what it's making things more bothersome is that, quite frankly, I feel
> embarrassed by my Dad to pick me up at the college, right in front of the
> main class building, and take me there because, well, about 99.2% of all
the
> college students can DRIVE and do DRIVE their own cars, and I don't know
> what they think of me when my Dad has to do that. I am very disappointed
> with them not being able to also clean up the snow and ice from the bus
> stops and their sidewalks. I am also angry because they don't even think
> about people, especially blind or disabled, depending on buses to take
them
> everywhere since they have to use those bus stops.
>
> What should I do? Where should I start from in trying to put someone to
> clear up those paths and sidewalks where there are bus stop so that I can
> travel safely and independently once again? who should I tell about this?
> which authority should know this?
>
> I wonder how sighted people are getting off and on those buses with all
this
> sleek. I'm sure Ice can try out on those sidewalks and stops, however, it
is
> very cold and I doubt this will happen soon enough for me to ride the bus.
> do you have any recommendations for me on this situation? Any ideas?
> suggestions? tips?
>
> your help and advice is welcome please. I'm tired of my dad having to
drive
> here and there every morning and spend his gas, and embarrassed that I am
> one of those very few, or the only one, whose parents take them to
college.
> I'm sure no college student wants that since we are now adults.
>
> Sincerely,
> Humberto
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 04:39:19 2012
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:39:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] cleaning up the snow within bus stops
Message-ID: <4f2770ae.1d82650a.256d.1290@mx.google.com>

The ice thingies are called Yack Tracks, and they are sold at 
REI.  My roomie has a couple and I use them on my snowboots.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:53:22 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cleaning up the snow within bus stops

Well the problem is, I suppose, the ice, which is very, very 
slippery. And
no, I haven't tried it out yet because, like always, my parents 
kept me from
doing it. They say that it is too dangerous and the ice is very 
big, like it
covers most of the area and it is accumulate as to form some kind 
of blocked
path, which, they think, they aren't even sure how sighted people 
are
crossing that. I'm going to see how it goes tomorrow and whether 
I can
convince them to let me try it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cleaning up the snow within bus stops

Hi Humberto,
I totally understand your frustration with the snow and ice on 
the
sidewalks and especially your discomfort about having your dad 
drive
you to and from school. While I do hope that the sidewalks 
eventually
get cleaned up, the good news is that you can walk safely to the 
bus
stop and take the bus, assuming the buses are now running again 
on the
streets. It will take a little practice to get the hang of 
traveling
through snow, but it's entirely possible to do it safely and, in 
fact,
many blind people walk around independently during winter 
weather. I'm
not sure if you tried to walk to the bus stop already and had 
trouble,
or if you haven't trried it yet because you are worried about 
slipping
or getting turned around. If you haven't tried it yet I would
encourage you to at least give it a try. You might find it's 
actually
a lot less frightening than it sounds. Here are a few tips:
-- If you haven't already, I would urge you to go out and get a 
pair
of good snowboots. I think there are also things you can buy to 
put
under the soles of your boots to give them more tread so they 
slip
less on the ice.
-- I think you are a cane user. When you walk on the sidewalks, 
use a
sliding motion with your cane. You will be able to feel in 
advance
whether you are coming up on snow or ice because the ice will 
feel
slippery under your cane. If you feel ice approaching, sweep your 
cane
out a little bit to the sides to see if there's a clear path 
around
it. You might be able to avoid some or all of the ice by walking 
on
grass or gravel. It might be snowy, but it shouldn't be as 
slippery as
the sidewalk.
-- Stepping on a pile of snow is inconvenient but it's usually 
not
dangerous.
-- I have really bad balance and while I don't have much trouble 
with
snow, I do find walking on ice makes me nervous. If I have to 
walk
through a very slippery area and there's no way around it (i.e. 
no
grass) I will get down on my hands and knees and crawl over the 
most
slippery spot, then stand up and keep walking when the sidewalk 
is
more clear. This isn't the most fun, but if I really feel like 
I'm
going to fall it allows me to keep going without falling.
-- Also, if you happen to havve someone else walking by and you 
don't
feel safe, I think it is fine to ask that person if you can hold 
on to
their arm while you are crossing the icy patch. I do this
occasionally, again because I have bad balance, which isn't even
totally related to blindness. You shouldn't need to hold 
someone's arm
for the whole walk-just the parts that are very slippery.

Again, I think if you try doing your normal bus route even 
tomorrow,
you may discover it's not as difficult as you thought. I lived my
whole life in Phoenix and never dealt with snow at all until I 
moved
to Colorado in 2008. I expected it to be very hard to get around 
but
the adjustment was much easier than I expected. If you have tried
getting to the bus stop and had problems, and can tell us a 
little
more about specifically what went wrong, I'm sure many of us on 
the
list (including those with more snow experience than I, which is 
most
of us) will have plenty of suggestions for ways to work through 
those
problems so you can regain your independence without having to 
bet on
the weather to warm up or the city to clean it up.
Best,
Arielle

On 1/30/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> 
wrote:
 Hello all,

 I am running into a problem that has been bothering me to a 
point where I
 want to try out my advocacy skills, and I would like to share it 
with you.

 Well. here is the story.  a couple of weeks ago a major winter 
storm was
 upon us here in Central Washington State, and it really affected 
my city,
 Yakima. We had a snowfall that left about up to 5 inches of snow
throughout
 the city, and the first two days that happened it went nonstop 
for more
than
 24 hours. this left people unable to go to work and school for 
about two
 days, and public as well as school routes for buses were reduced 
or
limited
 those days. this storm left me unable to ride the city bus to 
and from
 school, making my Dad take me to and from school for the rest of 
next
week.
 today that still continued; My dad still drove me to school and 
back home.

 While the roads and all highways are clean, many sidewalks 
including
 sidewalks where there are bus stops and benches are still soaked 
into so
 much snow and ice from two weeks ago. And you know what is 
worse? the
people
 or machines who clean the snow in the mornings or nights deposit 
all that
 snow there, leaving the piles and trails of snow into those very 
places I
 mentioned, especially at the bus stops. Now in fact, that snow 
has turned
 into ice, and the sidewalks with bus stops are even more 
slippery and hard
 to walk or step on.

 With all this mess, how is a blind person going to walk to take 
their
 desired public transportation? How am I supposed to step on all 
those
 mountains of slippery ice waiting for the bus?
 for once, this is driving me crazy and is putting my 
independence at risk
of
 going down the drain. Like I said, my parent has to drive me to 
and from,
 every day, and if this continues to happen, I fear that I will 
lose
practice
 of traveling on the city bus.

 what it's making things more bothersome is that, quite frankly, 
I feel
 embarrassed by my Dad to pick me up at the college, right in 
front of the
 main class building, and take me there because, well, about 
99.2% of all
the
 college students can DRIVE and do DRIVE their own cars, and I 
don't know
 what they think of me when my Dad has to do that. I am very 
disappointed
 with them not being able to also clean up the snow and ice from 
the bus
 stops and their sidewalks. I am also angry because they don't 
even think
 about people, especially blind or disabled, depending on buses 
to take
them
 everywhere since they have to use those bus stops.

 What should I do? Where should I start from in trying to put 
someone to
 clear up those paths and sidewalks where there are bus stop so 
that I can
 travel safely and independently once again? who should I tell 
about this?
 which authority should know this?

 I wonder how sighted people are getting off and on those buses 
with all
this
 sleek. I'm sure Ice can try out on those sidewalks and stops, 
however, it
is
 very cold and I doubt this will happen soon enough for me to 
ride the bus.
 do you have any recommendations for me on this situation? Any 
ideas?
 suggestions? tips?

 your help and advice is welcome please. I'm tired of my dad 
having to
drive
 here and there every morning and spend his gas, and embarrassed 
that I am
 one of those very few, or the only one, whose parents take them 
to
college.
 I'm sure no college student wants that since we are now adults.

 Sincerely,
 Humberto
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 05:17:01 2012
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:17:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] cleaning up the snow within bus stops
In-Reply-To: <4f2770ae.1d82650a.256d.1290@mx.google.com>
References: <4f2770ae.1d82650a.256d.1290@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBaYv0yA9kaZQTW7Vfq=AbWG343OoMVn0w72_U+U+QdNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Humberto,
I know that convincing our parents to let us do things we want to do
on our own can be difficult and at times impossible. In this case I am
not sure if you will be able to convince them, though you can
certainly try. I do think that even if they won't let you navigate the
ice on your own this time, it would be good for you to learn how to
get around in snowy conditions since another snowstorm could happen or
you might move somewhere where snow is more common. If you still work
with an O&M instructor at all, perhaps you could ask him/her to work
with you specifically on traveling through the ice while it is still
there. Another good way to learn is to attend a training center that
is based in a cold area like the Colorado Center for the Blind or
BLIND, Inc.
I also think it might be nice if you could find a student or someone
else to drive you to and from school when the weather is bad, and pay
them a few dollars for gas. That way you would have a ride without the
awkwardness of being dropped off and picked up by your parents. You
could make an announcement in your classes, or even see if your
parents know people who might be looking for a little extra cash.
Best,
Arielle

On 1/30/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> The ice thingies are called Yack Tracks, and they are sold at
> REI.  My roomie has a couple and I use them on my snowboots.
> Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:53:22 -0800
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cleaning up the snow within bus stops
>
> Well the problem is, I suppose, the ice, which is very, very
> slippery. And
> no, I haven't tried it out yet because, like always, my parents
> kept me from
> doing it. They say that it is too dangerous and the ice is very
> big, like it
> covers most of the area and it is accumulate as to form some kind
> of blocked
> path, which, they think, they aren't even sure how sighted people
> are
> crossing that. I'm going to see how it goes tomorrow and whether
> I can
> convince them to let me try it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Arielle Silverman
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cleaning up the snow within bus stops
>
> Hi Humberto,
> I totally understand your frustration with the snow and ice on
> the
> sidewalks and especially your discomfort about having your dad
> drive
> you to and from school. While I do hope that the sidewalks
> eventually
> get cleaned up, the good news is that you can walk safely to the
> bus
> stop and take the bus, assuming the buses are now running again
> on the
> streets. It will take a little practice to get the hang of
> traveling
> through snow, but it's entirely possible to do it safely and, in
> fact,
> many blind people walk around independently during winter
> weather. I'm
> not sure if you tried to walk to the bus stop already and had
> trouble,
> or if you haven't trried it yet because you are worried about
> slipping
> or getting turned around. If you haven't tried it yet I would
> encourage you to at least give it a try. You might find it's
> actually
> a lot less frightening than it sounds. Here are a few tips:
> -- If you haven't already, I would urge you to go out and get a
> pair
> of good snowboots. I think there are also things you can buy to
> put
> under the soles of your boots to give them more tread so they
> slip
> less on the ice.
> -- I think you are a cane user. When you walk on the sidewalks,
> use a
> sliding motion with your cane. You will be able to feel in
> advance
> whether you are coming up on snow or ice because the ice will
> feel
> slippery under your cane. If you feel ice approaching, sweep your
> cane
> out a little bit to the sides to see if there's a clear path
> around
> it. You might be able to avoid some or all of the ice by walking
> on
> grass or gravel. It might be snowy, but it shouldn't be as
> slippery as
> the sidewalk.
> -- Stepping on a pile of snow is inconvenient but it's usually
> not
> dangerous.
> -- I have really bad balance and while I don't have much trouble
> with
> snow, I do find walking on ice makes me nervous. If I have to
> walk
> through a very slippery area and there's no way around it (i.e.
> no
> grass) I will get down on my hands and knees and crawl over the
> most
> slippery spot, then stand up and keep walking when the sidewalk
> is
> more clear. This isn't the most fun, but if I really feel like
> I'm
> going to fall it allows me to keep going without falling.
> -- Also, if you happen to havve someone else walking by and you
> don't
> feel safe, I think it is fine to ask that person if you can hold
> on to
> their arm while you are crossing the icy patch. I do this
> occasionally, again because I have bad balance, which isn't even
> totally related to blindness. You shouldn't need to hold
> someone's arm
> for the whole walk-just the parts that are very slippery.
>
> Again, I think if you try doing your normal bus route even
> tomorrow,
> you may discover it's not as difficult as you thought. I lived my
> whole life in Phoenix and never dealt with snow at all until I
> moved
> to Colorado in 2008. I expected it to be very hard to get around
> but
> the adjustment was much easier than I expected. If you have tried
> getting to the bus stop and had problems, and can tell us a
> little
> more about specifically what went wrong, I'm sure many of us on
> the
> list (including those with more snow experience than I, which is
> most
> of us) will have plenty of suggestions for ways to work through
> those
> problems so you can regain your independence without having to
> bet on
> the weather to warm up or the city to clean it up.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 1/30/12, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>  Hello all,
>
>  I am running into a problem that has been bothering me to a
> point where I
>  want to try out my advocacy skills, and I would like to share it
> with you.
>
>  Well. here is the story.  a couple of weeks ago a major winter
> storm was
>  upon us here in Central Washington State, and it really affected
> my city,
>  Yakima. We had a snowfall that left about up to 5 inches of snow
> throughout
>  the city, and the first two days that happened it went nonstop
> for more
> than
>  24 hours. this left people unable to go to work and school for
> about two
>  days, and public as well as school routes for buses were reduced
> or
> limited
>  those days. this storm left me unable to ride the city bus to
> and from
>  school, making my Dad take me to and from school for the rest of
> next
> week.
>  today that still continued; My dad still drove me to school and
> back home.
>
>  While the roads and all highways are clean, many sidewalks
> including
>  sidewalks where there are bus stops and benches are still soaked
> into so
>  much snow and ice from two weeks ago. And you know what is
> worse? the
> people
>  or machines who clean the snow in the mornings or nights deposit
> all that
>  snow there, leaving the piles and trails of snow into those very
> places I
>  mentioned, especially at the bus stops. Now in fact, that snow
> has turned
>  into ice, and the sidewalks with bus stops are even more
> slippery and hard
>  to walk or step on.
>
>  With all this mess, how is a blind person going to walk to take
> their
>  desired public transportation? How am I supposed to step on all
> those
>  mountains of slippery ice waiting for the bus?
>  for once, this is driving me crazy and is putting my
> independence at risk
> of
>  going down the drain. Like I said, my parent has to drive me to
> and from,
>  every day, and if this continues to happen, I fear that I will
> lose
> practice
>  of traveling on the city bus.
>
>  what it's making things more bothersome is that, quite frankly,
> I feel
>  embarrassed by my Dad to pick me up at the college, right in
> front of the
>  main class building, and take me there because, well, about
> 99.2% of all
> the
>  college students can DRIVE and do DRIVE their own cars, and I
> don't know
>  what they think of me when my Dad has to do that. I am very
> disappointed
>  with them not being able to also clean up the snow and ice from
> the bus
>  stops and their sidewalks. I am also angry because they don't
> even think
>  about people, especially blind or disabled, depending on buses
> to take
> them
>  everywhere since they have to use those bus stops.
>
>  What should I do? Where should I start from in trying to put
> someone to
>  clear up those paths and sidewalks where there are bus stop so
> that I can
>  travel safely and independently once again? who should I tell
> about this?
>  which authority should know this?
>
>  I wonder how sighted people are getting off and on those buses
> with all
> this
>  sleek. I'm sure Ice can try out on those sidewalks and stops,
> however, it
> is
>  very cold and I doubt this will happen soon enough for me to
> ride the bus.
>  do you have any recommendations for me on this situation? Any
> ideas?
>  suggestions? tips?
>
>  your help and advice is welcome please. I'm tired of my dad
> having to
> drive
>  here and there every morning and spend his gas, and embarrassed
> that I am
>  one of those very few, or the only one, whose parents take them
> to
> college.
>  I'm sure no college student wants that since we are now adults.
>
>  Sincerely,
>  Humberto
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From will.lindsay1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 23:51:34 2012
From: will.lindsay1 at gmail.com (will lindsay)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:51:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone interested in a new and unused KNFB reader?
In-Reply-To: <983F875E56BD4406A7BECE76BBF61916@stanford.edu>
References: <CABne5bGx3VeuzhdceJYydvLp2O+DMt7kCfm7DuAhzYSroKVWrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<983F875E56BD4406A7BECE76BBF61916@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <CABne5bG5DgjiEOCZdXu8sZmPeFNq9-Qr41w=C3LxfBEF5AVFDA@mail.gmail.com>

This is truethat the phone service is NOT needed if you just desire to
use the reader.  I personally am willing to part with this although it
is an awesome machine.  I honestly am in interested in an I -phone.
This would be great for someone who wants it truely for the reader but
even more so for the reader and the phone.

On 1/29/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> You don't have to have the phone service just to use the reader if you want
> to use the reader.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "will lindsay" <will.lindsay1 at gmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone interested in a new and unused KNFB reader?
>
>
>> Hello fellow students,
>>
>> My name is Will Lindsay and I live in Baltimmore, Md.  I was honored
>> and priveledged to have won such a wonderful door prize at our state
>> convention in Ocean City, Md. in October of 2011.  Unfortunately for
>> me I left T-Mobile a month prior to winning this coveted prize that
>> has been appraised at nearly #$1,400.  I am looking to give it a great
>> home and will part with it for as low as $850.
>> If there are any takers please email me at  will.lindsay1 at gmail.com
>> specifying in the subject line your interest.  You may also call me at
>> 443.415.9828.  I look forward to hearing from you for more than this
>> transaction.
>>
>> Academically yours,
>>
>> Lindsay
>> --
>> "...given proper training and opportunity, the average blind person
>> can do the average job in the average place of business and do it as
>> well as his or her sighted neighbor..." Freedom for the Blind, James
>> H. Omvig
>>
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well as his or her sighted neighbor..." Freedom for the Blind, James
H. Omvig


From will.lindsay1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 23:55:09 2012
From: will.lindsay1 at gmail.com (will lindsay)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:55:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] fw: Google scholarships - please spread the word
In-Reply-To: <4f271ad5.731c340a.37be.ffff89fb@mx.google.com>
References: <4f271ad5.731c340a.37be.ffff89fb@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CABne5bGUALfYe8CVbzHkxsrcXaQxCvwEgbQonDUjOEHX7Mm1ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

This doesn't apply to me but thank you for the tip!

On 1/30/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> FYI...
>
> Please see below for information on Google scholarships for
> students with disabilities!
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Scholarships |
> <http://googleforstudents.blogspot.com/2012/01/google-scholarship
> s-in-north-
> america.html> Google Scholarships in North America - Now
> accepting
> applications! (Google Student Blog):
>
>
>
>
>
> As part of Google's ongoing commitment to advancing computing and
> technology, we are pleased to support the work of our partner
> organizations
> in providing scholarships to students studying computer science.
>
> Today we are announcing the following scholarship opportunities
> in North
> America -- now accepting applications!
>
>
>
> *
> <http://limeconnect.com/opportunities/page/google-lime-scholarshi
> p-program
> Google Lime Scholarship for Students with Disabilities -
> Deadline: February
> 5, 2012
>
> *
> <http://www.aises.org/what/programs/scholarships/info/googleschol
> ars> Google
> AISES Scholarship - Deadline: February 29, 2012
>
> *
> <http://hispanicfund.org/programs/college/scholarships/google-sch
> olarship-pr
> ogram> Google Hispanic College Fund Scholarship - Deadline: March
> 1, 2012
>
> *                                 Google UNCF Scholarship -
> <http://www.uncf.org/forstudents/scholarDetailSGA.asp?id=714> US
> Application
> ;
> <http://www.uncf.org/forstudents/scholardetail.asp?Sch_ID=20870>
> Canada
> Application - Deadline: March 18, 2012
>
> In addition, we are still accepting applications for the
> <http://googleforstudents.blogspot.com/2010/12/2011-google-anita-
> borg-memori
> al.html> Google Anita Borg Memorial Scholarship (Deadline:
> February 6,
> 2012).
>
> Scholarship recipients will each receive a $10,000 scholarship
> for the
> 2012-2013 academic year and will be invited to attend the
> all-expenses-paid
> annual
> <http://googleforstudents.blogspot.com/2011/09/my-summer-google-s
> cholars-ret
> reat.html> Google Scholars' Retreat at the Googleplex in Mountain
> View, CA.
> Scholarships will be awarded based on the strength of the
> applicants'
> academic background and their demonstrated passion for computer
> science.
>
> For complete details on all of our scholarships, please visit
> <http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/students/proscho/scholarships
> /uscanada/
> www.google.com/jobs/scholarships.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
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"...given proper training and opportunity, the average blind person
can do the average job in the average place of business and do it as
well as his or her sighted neighbor..." Freedom for the Blind, James
H. Omvig