[nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Mon Jan 23 22:41:19 UTC 2012 

Yes;=20I=20use=202003=20still=20at=20school=20(the=20school=20system=20hasn=
't=20
"approved"=20Windows=207=20and=20Office=202010=20yet,=20at=20least=20for=20=
students)=20
and=20I'm=20starting=20to=20find=20I=20like=20XP=20a=20little=20more,=20alt=
hough=20I=20do=20
have=20Windows=207=20at=20home=20and=20can=20access=20things=20pretty=20wel=
l=20with=20it.=20=20
The=20only=20thing=20that=20confused=20me=20was=20Outlook=202010.

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2022=20Jan=202012=2021:25:22=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

David,
I=20really=20agree!=202003=20with=20its=20menus=20was=20more=20accessible.=
=20=202007=20
wasn't=20too=20bad
from=20what=20I=20heard.=20=20I=20did=20not=20try=20it=20though.=20=20I=20h=
ave=202010=20and=20
feel=20its=20less
accessible.=20=20As=20someone=20already=20said,=20access=20is=20not=20acces=
sible=20
and=20in=202007=20it
was.=20=20Microsoft=20just=20had=20to=20change=20things;=20go=20figure.
Does=20anyone=20have=20a=20point=20of=20contact=20for=20them=20in=20the=20a=
ccessibility=20
department
or=20whomever=20handels=20access=20issues=20there.

Ashley

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20David=20Dodge
Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=209:12=20PM
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

Microsoft=20programs=20appear=20to=20me=20to=20be=20getting=20less=20and=20=
less=20
accessible=20as
time=20goes=20on.

If=20you=20are=20having=20accessibility=20issues=20with=20these=20products=
=20I=20
recommend
contacting=20Microsoft=20from=20their=20website.=20=20It=20is=20unlikely=20=
that=20
they=20will=20take
the=20feedback=20into=20consideration,=20but=20still.

2003=20and=202007=20or=20certainly=20more=20accessible=20than=202010.


David
----------------------------------
David=20Dodge
Doctoral=20Degree=20Granting=20Institutions=20Rep.
State=20University=20of=20New=20York=20Student=20Assembly
English=20Major
University=20at=20Buffalo
306=20Clemens=20Hall
Buffalo,=20NY=2014260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On=20Sun,=20Jan=2022,=202012=20at=209:08=20PM,=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=
=20at=20Home=20<
ntorcolini at wavecable.com>=20wrote:

=20As=20far=20as=20my=20experience,=20there=20is=20no=20advantage=20to=20us=
ing=202007=20or=20
2010,
=20especially=20if=20you=20find=202003.=20=20Files=20created=20using=202007=
=20and=202010=20
can=20still
=20be
=20read=20and=20edited=20using=202003.=20=20I=20will=20leave=20it=20up=20to=
=20you,=20but=20my
=20recommendation=20is=20to=20use=20Office=202003.=20=20There=20are=20ways=
=20to=20have=20
both,=20but
=20they
=20are=20not=20easy=20or=20convenient.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<
=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=
=20<
=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=204:56=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20its=20my=20computer.=20=20Gee=20would=20be=20nice=20to=20have=20both=20v=
ersions

=20-----Original=20Message-----=20From:=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20=
Home
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=207:46=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

=20No,=20you=20cannot.=20=20Is=20this=20your=20computer?=20If=20so,=20I=20w=
ould=20strongly=20
recommend
=20just=20uninstalling=20the=20current=20version=20of=20Office=20and=20inst=
alling=20
Office
=202003.
=20If=20it=20is=20not=20your=20computer,=20then=20maybe=20you=20could=20tal=
k=20to=20someone=20
who=20has
=20the
=20authority=20to=20do=20it=20and=20explain=20that=20it=20would=20make=20th=
ings=20a=20
million=20times
=20easier.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<
=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=204:18=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20Nicole,
=20I=20think=20I=20have=20an=20old=20cd=20with=20office=202003=20around.=20=
=20Do=20you=20know=20
if=20I=20can
=20have
=20them=20concurrently=20on=20the=20computer?
=20It=20just=20would=20be=20nice=20to=20have=20both=20options;=20so=20if=20=
I=20cannot=20
figure=20out
=20where
=20something=20is=20in=20the=20ribbons,=20I=20can=20go=20back=20to=20the=20=
nice,=20simple=20
menus=20of
=202003.

=20-----Original=20Message-----=20From:=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20=
Home
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=207:10=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

=20Yes.=20=20The=20excerpt=20is=20from=20the=20"What's=20New=20in=20JAWS=20=
12.0"=20section.=20=20
I=20do=20not
=20have=20Office=202007=20or=202010,=20so=20I=20unfortunately=20cannot=20te=
ll=20you=20how=20
well=20it
=20works,=20but=20it=20is=20probably=20better=20than=20nothing.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Arielle=20Silverman"=20<
=20arielle71 at gmail.com
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=204:00=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20Does=20JAWS=2012=20have=20this?
=20Arielle

=20On=201/22/12,=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home=20
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com>=20wrote:

=20Do=20you=20know=20how=20to=20use=20the=20quick=20settings=20in=20JAWS?=20=
Copied=20from=20
the=20JAWS
=2013
=20help:

=20Virtual=20Ribbon=20Menu
=20The=20Ribbon=20is=20a=20new=20style=20of=20menu=20available=20in=20many=
=20new=20
applications
=20being
=20released=20today.=20=20Ribbons=20first=20appeared=20in=20Office=202007=20=
programs,=20
but=20are
=20now
=20becoming=20more=20common=20in=20other=20applications=20tailored=20for=20=
the=20
Windows=207
=20operating=20system.=20=20Ribbons=20create=20an=20accessibility=20challen=
ge=20due=20
to
=20inconsistent=20navigation=20between=20various=20groups=20and=20items.=20=
=20For=20
example,
=20when
=20you=20enter=20the=20Lower=20Ribbon=20and=20press=20the=20ARROW=20keys=20=
to=20move=20
between=20items
=20in
=20a=20group,=20you=20can=20skip=20items=20and=20unexpectedly=20move=20into=
=20another=20
group.
=20Pressing=20TAB=20gives=20no=20indication=20that=20you=20have=20left=20on=
e=20group=20
and=20entered
=20another.=20=20Using=20first=20letter=20navigation=20to=20find=20items=20=
can=20be=20
difficult=20and
=20frustrating.=20=20Finally,=20because=20of=20a=20group=92s=20layout,=20yo=
u=20do=20not=20
know=20if=20you
=20should=20navigate=20up,=20down,=20left,=20or=20right=20to=20select=20an=
=20item.

=20The=20new=20Virtual=20Ribbon=20Menu=20provides=20predictable=20navigatio=
n,=20
lets=20you=20see
=20everything=20in=20the=20Ribbon,=20and=20offers=20consistency=20when=20na=
vigating=20
with
=20ARROW
=20keys.=20=20For=20example,=20the=20ARROW=20and=20TAB=20keys=20move=20focu=
s=20from=20the=20
Upper
=20Ribbon
=20tabs=20to=20the=20Lower=20Ribbon=20groups.=20=20Once=20in=20a=20group,=20=
the=20ARROW,=20
TAB,=20and
=20SHIFT+TAB=20keys=20move=20through=20all=20items=20in=20a=20group,=20move=
=20from=20one=20
group=20to
=20the
=20next,=20and=20wrap=20to=20the=20beginning=20of=20the=20Ribbon.=20=20For=
=20submenus,=20
SPACEBAR=20and
=20ENTER=20expand=20menus,=20and=20ESCAPE=20collapses=20menus.=20=20The=20V=
irtual=20
Ribbon=20Menu
=20is
=20off=20by=20default=20and=20can=20be=20switched=20on=20or=20off=20from=20=
within=20
Settings=20Center
=20or
=20the=20JAWS=20Startup=20Wizard.=20=20When=20it=20is=20on,=20the=20Ribbon=
=20is=20navigated=20
using=20a
=20traditional=20menu=20and=20submenu=20format=20familiar=20to=20most=20JAW=
S=20users.


=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=203:30=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20=20jaws=2013


=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=206:23=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility

=20What=20version=20of=20JAWS=20are=20you=20using?

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20January=2022,=202012=203:08=20PM
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20microsoft=20product=20accessibility


=20=20Hi=20all,

=20Seems=20like=20the=20office=20suite=20is=20less=20user=20friendly=20with=
=20the=20new=20
ribbons.
=20Occasionally=20I=20find=20a=20button=20unlabeled.
=20Anyway,=20is=20access=20and=20Publisher=20accessible=20at=20all?=20I=92d=
=20like=20to=20
create
=20simple=20charts=20with=20publisher=20and=20maybe=20brochures=20if=20I=20=
volunteer=20
for=20pr
=20somewhere.
=20Is=20excell=20still=20accessible?
=20I=92ll=20need=20the=20access=20database=20for=20work=20probably.

=20Ashley
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