[nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Wed Jan 4 21:15:11 UTC 2012

You must have lost it.
Here it is.
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
BTW, when people post, their E-mail addresses show up on the list,
after their name.
That's how I found yours.
Blessings, Joshua
On 1/4/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> hey Joushua what is your email address so I can email you off list.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
>> I'd think HTML, (because,) that's text only.
>> Gloria, please E-mail me offlist.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/4/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Can anyone tell me when down loading books from bookshare, if I want to
>>> put
>>> the book on my victor stream I thought I should download the daizy
>>> version
>>> of the book. When I extract the zipped file I get a few choices like DTD
>>> or
>>> html. Which of the files do I choose to put on my stream? Thanks
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Joshua,
>>>> Actually, I think they still do good in some areas; nice customer
>>>> service
>>>> reps and they braille the cd sleeves so you know what book is inside.
>>>> I think they will redo their site if someone tells them.
>>>> And I don't know an organization that has more textbooks than learning
>>>> ally. Now with the daisy format, you can jump to particular pages and
>>>> peruse a book faster than before. I remember the days of four track
>>>> tapes.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I know what its like to use readers, having them not show up and
>>>> getting behind in your work or having a reader quit mid semester. So
>>>> while they are flawed, IMO its better than before.
>>>>
>>>> And how can you say they don't care? Have you talked to them about it
>>>> and
>>>> gotten a response?
>>>> I doubt it. We cannot make assumptions about them without some statement
>>>> from them. I do agree it does not seem like their an ally now. Can you
>>>> have a sighted person help you navigate the screen till they get it
>>>> fixed?
>>>>
>>>> You can still use them
>>>> Unfortunately, accessibility when you are a minority is an after
>>>> thought.
>>>> No it should not be that way, but sadly it is.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>
>>>> They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
>>>> They don't care about us, anymore.
>>>> Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
>>>> textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ally?
>>>>> How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
>>>>> Ally? Really? Some ally. We really are without friends, if that's
>>>>> what they consider as such.
>>>>> Car
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
>>>>>> especially once
>>>>>> > you get into college.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> > From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream
>>>>>> >>read
>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>> >>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD
>>>>>> >>route
>>>>>> >>whenever possible.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Chris
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>>>> >> real
>>>>>> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.
>>>>>> >> If
>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>> >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>>> >> be
>>>>>> >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>>>>>> >> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>>>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads
>>>>>> >> TXT
>>>>>> >> files.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>>>>>> >> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>>>>>> >> I don't have any books for it, now.
>>>>>> >> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>>>>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >> Joshua,
>>>>>> >> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>>>>>> >> really quite simple.
>>>>>> >> Patrick
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> >> Wow!
>>>>>> >> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>>>>>> >> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>>>>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >> Antonio,
>>>>>> >> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out
>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>> >> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
>>>>>> >> changed
>>>>>> >> it.
>>>>>> >> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you
>>>>>> >> have
>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>> >> cd
>>>>>> >> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
>>>>>> >> longer
>>>>>> >> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,
>>>>>> >> more
>>>>>> >> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully
>>>>>> >> it
>>>>>> >> works!
>>>>>> >> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player
>>>>>> >> is
>>>>>> >> IMO
>>>>>> >> easy to use and simple.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr
>>>>>> >> strattus,
>>>>>> >> which
>>>>>> >> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places
>>>>>> >> like
>>>>>> >> nls
>>>>>> >> and learning ally.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.
>>>>>> >> With
>>>>>> >> changing
>>>>>> >> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on
>>>>>> >> learning
>>>>>> >> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>>>>>> >> correct
>>>>>> >> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind
>>>>>> >> people
>>>>>> >> have
>>>>>> >> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let
>>>>>> >> them
>>>>>> >> forget
>>>>>> >> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>>>>>> >> something
>>>>>> >> is
>>>>>> >> not accessible won't help.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
>>>>>> >> complex
>>>>>> >> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the
>>>>>> >> main
>>>>>> >> page
>>>>>> >> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
>>>>>> >> anymore
>>>>>> >> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with
>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>> >> same
>>>>>> >> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>>>>>> >> frustrated,
>>>>>> >> Ashley
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> >> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>>>>>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Dear NABS members,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>>>>>> >> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
>>>>>> >> services
>>>>>> >> we've come to know in previous years.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>>>>>> >> their
>>>>>> >> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their
>>>>>> >> You
>>>>>> >> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people
>>>>>> >> like
>>>>>> >> you for some feedback.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>>>>>> >> Ally's
>>>>>> >> download features.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have
>>>>>> >> come
>>>>>> >> up against issues with the download service.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of
>>>>>> >> access
>>>>>> >> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in
>>>>>> >> providing
>>>>>> >> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues,
>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>> >> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight
>>>>>> >> on
>>>>>> >> Learning Ally's part.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Sincerely,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
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