[nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Fri Jan 6 21:24:47 UTC 2012


Do you mean DTB? If so, that's the one you want.  If you have 
Humanware Companion, just save the file to your computer and 
Companion will move it to the Stream's SD card, placing it in the 
Talking Books bookshelf.  The Stream can read HTML, and will 
place those books in the Text Files bookshelf.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:26:27 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Hi,
Can anyone tell me when down loading books from bookshare, if I 
want to put
the book on my victor stream I thought I should download the 
daizy version
of the book.  When I extract the zipped file I get a few choices 
like DTD or
html.  Which of the files do I choose to put on my stream? Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 Hi Joshua,
 Actually, I think they still do good in some areas; nice 
customer service
 reps and they braille the cd sleeves so you know what book is 
inside.
 I think they will redo their site if someone tells them.
 And I don't know an organization that has more textbooks than 
learning
 ally.  Now with the daisy format, you can jump to particular 
pages and
 peruse a book faster than before.  I remember the days of four 
track tapes.
 Also, I know what its like to use readers, having them not show 
up and
 getting behind in your work or having a reader quit mid 
semester.  So
 while they are flawed, IMO its better than before.

 And how can you say they don't care? Have you talked to them 
about it and
 gotten a response?
 I doubt it.  We cannot make assumptions about them without some 
statement
 from them.  I do agree it does not seem like their an ally now.  
Can you
 have a sighted person help you navigate the screen till they get 
it fixed?
 You can still use them
 Unfortunately, accessibility when you are a minority is an after 
thought.
 No it should not be that way, but sadly it is.

 Ashley


 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:06 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 They are only an ally to those with dislexia.
 They don't care about us, anymore.
 Bookshare may be our only option, now, if only they start doing
 textbooks, which I doubt will happen.
 Blessings, Joshua


 On 1/3/12, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:


 Hi, Josh, and other interesteds,

 Ally?
 How can they call themselves something so ridiculous as Learning
 Ally? Really? Some ally.  We really are without friends, if 
that's
 what they consider as such.
 Car



   Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get,
 especially once
 you get into college.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the 
Stream
read
 a
book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD
route
whenever possible.

 Chris

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real
 problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.
 If
 a
 blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness 
can
 be
 reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
 -- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and 
reads TXT
 files.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally


 I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
 I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
 I don't have any books for it, now.
 I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,
 E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  
It's
 really quite simple.
 Patrick

 On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
 Wow!
 I still use the CD player for my classes.
 I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Antonio,
 What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out 
the
 download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they
 changed
 it.
 I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you 
have
 a
 cd
 player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no
 longer
 offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr 
classic,
 more
 probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and 
thankfully
 it
 works!
 Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd 
player
 is
 IMO
 easy to use and simple.

 Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr 
strattus,
 which
 both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many 
places
 like
 nls
 and learning ally.

 I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  
With
 changing
 their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on 
learning
 disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for 
politically
 correct
 purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that 
blind
 people
 have
 depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't 
let
 them
 forget
 us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
 something
 is
 not accessible won't help.

 Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and
 complex
 organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from 
the
 main
 page
 and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher
 anymore
 without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books 
with
 the
 same
 or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
 frustrated,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Antonio Guimaraes
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

 Dear NABS members,

 It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally 
download
 features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the
 services
 we've come to know in previous years.

 Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to 
use
 their
 new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to 
their You
 Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to 
people
 like
 you for some feedback.

 There are several reports that blind readers can not use 
Learning
 Ally's
 download features.

 I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too 
have
 come
 up against issues with the download service.

 The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of 
access
 from an organization that has long been at the forefront in 
providing
 access to recorded texts for blind users.

 Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported 
issues,
 and
 hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an 
oversight on
 Learning Ally's part.

 Sincerely,

 Antonio Guimaraes




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