[nabs-l] composing a new post to this list
Chris Nusbaum
dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Sat Jan 28 14:40:29 UTC 2012
If you're using Outlook, which I think you are, the command to
write a new message is control N. If you want to send a post to
this list, type in nabs-l at nfbnet.org in the to field.
Chris
"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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Date sent: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 07:15:35 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard
Hi,
Do you know what the command to make a new post? Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] {nabs-l:Question about Blackboard
Hey guys, jeff Crouch hear, I use black board, well i try, if
you use
mazila, it works if jaws is good, but i have never found it to
be
accessable with internet explore, and at all for that matter
On 1/24/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
wrote:
I haven't used the discussion portion, but Blackboard is a
nuisance,
because it doesn't respond to my computer, like it's supposed
to.
When I log in, it says, "Page has no Links."
I think it's because I need to update to Windows 7.
Blessings, Joshua
On 1/24/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Has anyone used blackboard for classes? I have to post questions
in the
discussion portion of the site and am not sure how to do that
with using
jaws. I no when surching for other things like powerpoints
posted by
profesors I have little trouble, but when posting discussion or
replying
to
a post I have difficulity. If anyone can help that would be
great.
Thanks
a
bunch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
Yes, Access in Office 2003 was accessible. As a matter of fact,
I used
it
to do a project that was geared toward blind users.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
Hi, Ashley and all,
While I agree that having to re-learn where all the features are
in MS
Office 2010can be pretty annoying for both sighted and blind
users
alike, I have to say that, having transitioned from MS Office
2003 to
2010 recently, I don't believe that the newer version is less
accessible. As someone suggested earlier in this thread, the
Virtual
Menu feature of JAWS 12 or later makes the ribbons behave in a
manner
that is pretty similar to traditional menus, thereby eliminating
a lot
of the confusion Ashley was referring to. Although I did run
into a
few instances where I'm not sure how to perform a certain task,
it was
easily resolved by a quick Google search, and I believe this is
simply
part of the process of learning to use a new program.
As a graduate student who relies heavily on the MS Office suite
and
someone who is not always eager to learn the most recent
technology,
I'm by no means discounting anyone's frustration. However, I do
think
that, since Windows XP and MS Office 2003 have been around for a
long
time, (they were here when I was first introduced to JAWS), it
is easy
for us to claim that something new is not user-friendly simply
because
we are not used to how it works yet. Some of you may remember
me
posting about alternative email clients in Windows 7 a while ago
because I was confused by Outlook 2010 and missed the simplicity
of
Outlook Express a lot. I'm pleased to report that I have since
figured
out the basics of Outlook 2010 and found that the email program
actually works pretty well (in fact, it has some features I do
appreciate that were not available in Outlook Express). In
short, I
would encourage everyone to be patient when approaching a new
program-- We all need to upgrade to the latest version of Office
sooner or later to keep up with mainstream users, and you might
be
surprised by the benefits of a new program once you allow
yourself
time to play around with it.
Katie
PS: As far as I know, MS Office Access is not accessible, but I
don't
believe it has ever been accessible in the past so this is not
really
a 2010 issue. I have never really used Access for anything
though so
don't have much to say about it.
On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
A quick tip: Use TAB instead of the arrow keys when in the
ribbons.
This will mean going through all of the options int hat ribbon,
but
you won't miss anything, as you would if you used the arrow
keys. I
learned this in a short class on using ?Word 2010 with JAWS.
Also,
the
1 of 4 is a grouping. For example, Cut copy past would all be
in one
grouping. If you use the TAB, you can ignore this grouping and
go
thru
the options without worry of missing anything. It takes some
practice
to get used to, and it takes extra time to get thru all of the
options, but it is accessible...just not as accessible, as was
stated
before.
~Jewel
On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Peter,
You are not a student and further probably do not use Office
suite
everyday;
I don't even know if you have a job.
Yet you seem to discount our collective experience.
No one said Office suite was not accessible. David Dodge said
that
it
was
becoming less accessible.
That is true. The layout is confusing and again, Access is not
accessible.
I
talked to a tech trainer about it and he told me so.
It is also less user friendly. Certainly the basic word
processing
stuff
work well; the short cut commands still work i.e. control S for
save,
control n for new document, Others like cut, copy, and paste are
the
same.
Yet, as you use the ribbons more its confusing.
For instance: go to the reference tab. You hear a group saying
1 of
5
and
then you tab again; jaws says 1 of 4. Okay, what exactly is the
group?
One
of four what?
How do you get to the box options? Jaws says group box. For
instance,
you
tab to footnote or table of contents. If you down arrow, there
are
no
options.
Sure, I suppose word is accessible, but it is not user friendly.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:26 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
Hello David and everyone,
And especially when others are using these products without
any
trouble.
Might I suggest checking your software and screen reader's
documentation
for
procedures and work-around to possible accessibility issues
before
declaring
this or that product blind-unfriendly? We do that here and have
found
fixes
for many presumed inaccessibility concerns.
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microsoft product accessibility
I would urge people to be more careful with how they word
things. Everyone is saying Office 2010 is not as
accessible. Strictly speaking, I don't think this is true. You
can
get to all the controls and identify them with most screen
readers. I think the product may not be as usable for a blind
person, but it is not inaccessible.
I am increasingly seeing a tendency on the part of the blind
community to brand software or a web site inaccessible when it
is
that they just don't know how to use it, or their assistive
technology.
Surely there are problems out there, but we must be accurate
when
reporting them.
David Andrews
At 08:25 PM 1/22/2012, you wrote:
David,
I really agree! 2003 with its menus was more accessible. 2007
wasn't
too bad from what I heard. I did not try it though. I have 2010
and
feel its less accessible. As someone already said, access is not
accessible and in 2007 it was. Microsoft just had to change
things;
go
figure.
Does anyone have a point of contact for them in the accessibility
department or whomever handels access issues there.
Ashley
-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:12 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
Microsoft programs appear to me to be getting less and less
accessible
as
time goes on.
If you are having accessibility issues with these products I
recommend
contacting Microsoft from their website. It is unlikely that
they
will
take
the feedback into consideration, but still.
2003 and 2007 or certainly more accessible than 2010.
David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
As far as my experience, there is no advantage to using 2007 or
2010,
especially if you find 2003. Files created using 2007 and 2010
can
still
be
read and edited using 2003. I will leave it up to you, but my
recommendation is to use Office 2003. There are ways to have
both,
but
they
are not easy or convenient.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
its my computer. Gee would be nice to have both versions
-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
No, you cannot. Is this your computer? If so, I would strongly
recommend
just uninstalling the current version of Office and installing
Office
2003.
If it is not your computer, then maybe you could talk to someone
who
has
the
authority to do it and explain that it would make things a
million
times
easier.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
Nicole,
I think I have an old cd with office 2003 around. Do you know if
I
can
have
them concurrently on the computer?
It just would be nice to have both options; so if I cannot figure
out
where
something is in the ribbons, I can go back to the nice, simple
menus
of
2003.
-----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
Yes. The excerpt is from the "What's New in JAWS 12.0" section.
I
do
not
have Office 2007 or 2010, so I unfortunately cannot tell you how
well
it
works, but it is probably better than nothing.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" <
arielle71 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
Does JAWS 12 have this?
Arielle
On 1/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com
wrote:
Do you know how to use the quick settings in JAWS? Copied from
the
JAWS
13
help:
Virtual Ribbon Menu
The Ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new
applications
being
released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs,
but
are
now
becoming more common in other applications tailored for the
Windows
7
operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due
to
inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For
example,
when
you enter the Lower Ribbon and press the ARROW keys to move
between
items
in
a group, you can skip items and unexpectedly move into another
group.
Pressing TAB gives no indication that you have left one group and
entered
another. Using first letter navigation to find items can be
difficult
and
frustrating. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not
know
if
you
should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item.
The new Virtual Ribbon Menu provides predictable navigation, lets
you
see
everything in the Ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating
with
ARROW
keys. For example, the ARROW and TAB keys move focus from the
Upper
Ribbon
tabs to the Lower Ribbon groups. Once in a group, the ARROW,
TAB,
and
SHIFT+TAB keys move through all items in a group, move from one
group
to
the
next, and wrap to the beginning of the Ribbon. For submenus,
SPACEBAR
and
ENTER expand menus, and ESCAPE collapses menus. The Virtual
Ribbon
Menu
is
off by default and can be switched on or off from within Settings
Center
or
the JAWS Startup Wizard. When it is on, the Ribbon is navigated
using
a
traditional menu and submenu format familiar to most JAWS users.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
jaws 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
What version of JAWS are you using?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:08 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft product accessibility
Hi all,
Seems like the office suite is less user friendly with the new
ribbons.
Occasionally I find a button unlabeled.
Anyway, is access and Publisher accessible at all? I'd like to
create
simple charts with publisher and maybe brochures if I volunteer
for
pr
somewhere.
Is excell still accessible?
I'll need the access database for work probably.
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