[nabs-l] NFB Philosophy

Fri Jul 20 15:44:16 UTC 2012

For=20identifying=20money,=20I=20use=20Looktell=20Money=20Reader,=20an=20ap=
p=20on=20my=20
iPhone.=20To=20me,=20that's=20easier=20to=20use=20than=20the=20iBill,=20and=
=20it's=20one=20
less=20device=20to=20carry=20around.=20I=20am=20also=20not=20in=20favor=20o=
f=20accessible=20
currency.=20For=20one,=20with=20various=20devices=20and=20apps,=20we=20are=
=20now=20able=20
to=20tell=20which=20bill=20is=20which,=20anyway.=20For=20another,=20as=20De=
siree=20
said,=20it=20would=20be=20too=20costly=20and=20take=20too=20long.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Desiree=20Oudinot=20<turtlepower17 at gmail.com
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2020=20Jul=202012=2004:15:49=20-0400
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20NFB=20Philosophy

Thank=20you,=20Tyler.=20Those=20were=20my=20thoughts=20exactly.=20One=20thi=
ng=20
you've=20got
slightly=20wrong=20though=20is=20that=20the=20new=20money=20identifiers=20r=
eally=20
aren't
clunky.=20The=20IBill,=20in=20fact,=20can=20easily=20fit=20into=20your=20po=
cket.=20Then=20
you
just=20slide=20a=20bill=20into=20it=20and=20it=20identifies=20it=20for=20yo=
u.=20It=20can=20
respond
by=20vibration,=20a=20series=20of=20beeps,=20or=20by=20speaking=20the=20den=
omination=20
of
the=20bill.=20I=20have=20one=20of=20them,=20and=20not=20only=20is=20it=20in=
expensive,=20but=20
it
works=20well.
On=20the=20issue=20of=20accessible=20currency,=20I'm=20not=20in=20favor=20o=
f=20that,=20
either.
For=20one=20thing,=20it=20would=20take=20quite=20awhile=20for=20the=20old=20=
money=20to=20be
phased=20out.=20It=20would=20remain=20in=20circulation=20for=20years,=20thu=
s=20you=20
would
still=20have=20the=20old,=20inaccessible=20bills=20handed=20to=20you=20in=20=
most=20
cases=20for
a=20long=20time.=20Second,=20think=20of=20how=20many=20things=20would=20hav=
e=20to=20be
modified--vending=20machines,=20cash=20registers,=20even=20things=20like=20=

arcade
games=20that=20might=20take=20dollar=20bills,=20all=20to=20fit=20the=20new=
=20currency.=20
That
would=20be=20extremely=20costly.=20God=20knows=20that=20the=20government=20=
doesn't=20
have
the=20money=20to=20spend=20on=20something=20like=20that.=20No,=20they're=20=
too=20busy
wasting=20it=20on=20pointless=20crap...Everything=20to=20do=20with=20every=
=20other
country's=20business,=20never=20stepping=20up=20to=20help=20our=20own=20peo=
ple.
Back=20on=20topic,=20as=20far=20as=20the=20NFB's=20philosophy=20goes,=20I=20=
have=20to=20
agree
with=20what=20Arielle=20said=20about=20not=20needing=20to=20be=20in=20an=20=
organization=20
for
or=20of=20the=20blind=20to=20have=20a=20positive=20attitude=20about=20blind=
ness.=20
That's
like=20saying=20that=20one=20must=20be=20religious=20to=20have=20morals.=20=
No,=20I=20
don't
want=20to=20know=20if=20people=20think=20that's=20true=20or=20false--I've=20=
heard=20
enough
of=20that=20debate=20to=20last=20a=20lifetime--I'm=20just=20saying=20it=20t=
o=20make=20a=20
point.
While=20some=20people=20are=20certainly=20bolstered=20by=20being=20members=
=20of=20
such=20an
organization,=20gaining=20something=20from=20being=20surrounded=20by=20
like-minded
individuals,=20that's=20definitely=20not=20me.=20I'm=20not=20a=20member=20o=
f=20either
organization,=20nor=20do=20I=20intend=20on=20becoming=20one.=20I=20use=20li=
stservs=20of=20
both
because=20I=20think=20that,=20like=20the=20core=20philosophy,=20the=20excha=
nge=20of=20
ideas,
support=20and=20thoughts=20should=20not=20be=20limited=20to=20what=20team=20=
you=20play=20
for
so=20to=20speak.=20For=20the=20most=20part,=20it=20isn't.=20We're=20all=20p=
eople,=20and=20
we=20all
deserve=20to=20be=20heard,=20no=20matter=20what=20flag=20we=20wave=20in=20t=
he=20name=20of=20
our
own=20self-discovery.
Oh,=20and=20Joshua,=20get=20your=20facts=20straight.=20Michael=20Capell=20d=
ecided=20
to
stay=20with=20the=20ACB.=20I=20really=20don't=20think=20you=20should=20spre=
ad=20rumors=20
about
people=20without=20knowing=20the=20whole=20story.

On=207/20/12,=20Littlefield,=20Tyler=20<tyler at tysdomain.com>=20wrote:
=20Josh,
=20you=20really=20are=20an=20idiot.=20It's=20not=20to=20often=20that=20I=20=
just=20drop=20all=20
sarcasm
=20and=20really=20go=20for=20it,=20but=20I=20have=20to.
=20You=20start=20out=20introducing=20nothing=20to=20the=20list=20but=20bad=
=20
information=20and
=20one-line=20"I=20agree,"=20"I=20have=20those=20too,"=20then=20you=20jump=
=20into=20
bashing=20me
=20when=20I=20ask=20about=20the=20philosophy=20of=20NFB.=20From=20there,=20=
we=20move=20into=20
"Dam
=20the=20ACB=20for=20not=20voting=20for=20fair=20wages.=20NFB=20voted=20aga=
inst=20
something,=20but
=20hey,=20that's=20ok=20because=20we'd=20put=20the=20manufacturers=20of=20e=
quipment=20
and
=20software=20out=20of=20business,"=20and=20we=20go=20on=20to=20"omg=20it=20=
would=20cost=20
lots=20of
=20money=20to=20make=20this=20accessible."

=20It's=20people=20like=20you=20who=20drive=20people=20away.=20Maybe=20you=
=20did=20just=20
get
=20Michael=20capell,=20congratulations,=20but=20there=20are=20people=20that=
=20
switch=20back
=20and=20forth=20all=20the=20time.=20If=20you=20have=20to=20wait=20for=20so=
meone=20like=20
Sean=20and
=20the=20others=20on=20this=20list=20to=20give=20you=20an=20intelligent=20c=
ogent=20
philosophy=20you
=20can=20grab=20on=20to=20as=20a=20lifeline=20so=20you=20can=20hop=20back=20=
up=20on=20your
=20self-righteous=20confederationist=20soapbox,=20then=20all=20the=20more=20=
power=20
to=20you.
=20Might=20I=20propose=20though,=20that=20you=20go=20from=20being=20a=20min=
dless
=20confederationist=20zombie=20who=20spews=20random=20crap=20and=20calls=20=
it=20fact,=20
and
=20actually=20consider=20thinking=20for=20yourself.=20Your=20arguments=20fo=
r=20the=20
NFB=20not
=20passing=20the=20accessible=20money=20is=20not=20logical=20at=20all.=20In=
=20fact,=20if=20
I
=20remember=20correctly,=20you=20were=20one=20of=20the=20ones=20screaming=20=
about=20
things
=20costing=20to=20much=20a=20few=20messages=20back.

=20I=20don't=20want=20what=20I=20said=20to=20be=20taken=20as=20an=20attack=
=20on=20the=20NFB,=20
either.=20I
=20believe=20every=20organization=20has=20good=20members=20who=20can=20give=
=20good,=20
valid
=20information=20like=20Sean,=20Arielle=20and=20others=20have,=20but=20they=
=20also=20
have=20a
=20high=20percentage=20of=20mindless=20bafoons,=20like=20our=20dear=20frien=
d,=20as=20
well.

=20I=20understand=20that=20it=20would=20cost=20money=20to=20make=20currency=
=20brailled=20
and
=20accessible,=20but=20hey,=20on=20the=20flip-side,=20it=20would=20cost=20m=
oney=20to=20
pay
=20disabled=20people=20fair=20wages,=20too,=20so=20lets=20just=20drop=20tha=
t,=20because=20
we
=20can't=20have=20something=20costing=20money=20now,=20can=20we?

=20As=20for=20my=20idea=20of=20currency,=20I=20really=20have=20no=20idea=20=
how=20this=20would=20
work
=20out,=20since=20the=20braille=20could=20get=20smashed.=20Maybe=20there=20=
could=20be=20a=20
strip
=20of=20thicker=20paper=20at=20one=20end=20of=20the=20bill=20that=20would=20=
have=20the=20
braille=20on
=20it;=20it=20would=20not=20prevent=20it=20from=20getting=20pushed=20down,=
=20but=20it=20
would
=20certainly=20help,=20and=20we=20wouldn't=20have=20to=20walk=20around=20wi=
th=20one=20of=20
them
=20clunky=20expensive=20money=20readers,=20or=20hold=20the=20bill=20in=20fr=
ont=20of=20the=20
IPhone
=20for=205=20minutes=20rotating=20it=20every=20which=20direction=20until=20=
it=20picks=20
it=20up=20and
=20announces=20it.
=20On=207/19/2012=2011:43=20PM,=20Joshua=20Lester=20wrote:
=20Also,=20do=20you=20know=20how=20much=20it=20would=20cost=20to=20make=20t=
he=20money=20
accessible?
=20My=20idea,=20when=20Alan=20Ramos=20first=20presented=20it=20to=20me,=20w=
as=20a=20
Brailled
=20currency.
=20What=20is=20your=20idea=20of=20accessible=20currency?
=20I'm=20curious!
=20Thanks,=20Joshua

=20On=207/20/12,=20Littlefield,=20Tyler=20<tyler at tysdomain.com>=20wrote:
=20I=20did=20attend=20the=20convention.=20I=20did=20not,=20however=20go=20t=
o=20every=20
general
=20session=20from=208=20to=205.
=20But=20hey.=20lets=20bash=20the=20ACB=20for=20not=20voting=20for=20fair=20=
wages,=20for=20
whatever
=20reason=20they=20did,=20but=20not=20make=20money=20accessible=20because=20=
gosh,=20we=20
sure
=20don't=20want=20to=20put=20the=20manufacturers=20of=20a=20program=20out=20=
of=20
business.=20Your
=20logic=20is=20flawless,=20my=20friend.
=20On=207/19/2012=2011:20=20PM,=20Joshua=20Lester=20wrote:
=20Well,=20did=20you=20attend=20the=20convention?
=20You=20should=20know!
=20I'm=20not=20"bashing,"=20but=20am=20concerned=20that=20they=20claim=20to=
=20be=20of=20the
=20blind,=20but=20they=20vote=20against=20fair=20wages.
=20BTW,=20they=20voted=20for=20the=20accessible=20currency,=20but=20we=20vo=
ted=20
against=20it.
=20I've=20heard=20from=20both=20sides=20of=20the=20issue,=20and=20I=20take=
=20the=20NFB's
=20position,=20because=20accessible=20currency=20would=20put=20the=20
manufacturers=20of
=20the=20IBill=20out=20of=20business.
=20Blessings,=20Joshua

=20On=207/20/12,=20Littlefield,=20Tyler=20<tyler at tysdomain.com>=20wrote:
=20Josh,
=20Like=20I=20said,=20before=20you=20go=20organization=20bashing=20and=20fl=
ap=20your=20
lips,
=20you
=20should=20probably=20ask=20someone=20in=20ACB=20who=20knows=20about=20it.=
=20There's=20
been
=20things=20that=20the=20NFB=20has=20voted=20against=20too,=20I'm=20sure.

=20On=207/19/2012=2010:30=20PM,=20Joshua=20Lester=20wrote:
=20Arielle:=20that=20was=20a=20great=20post.
=20I=20just=20have=20one=20question=20about=20this.
=20If=20our=20philosophies=20aren't=20at=20odds,=20then=20why=20did=20the=20=
ACB=20vote,=20
"Do
=20Not
=20Pass,"=20on=20the=20"Fair=20Wages=20for=20Workers=20with=20Disabilities=
=20Act,"
=20resolution=20at=20their=20convention?
=20Evidently,=20they're=20okay=20with=20disabled=20workers=20being=20paid=20=
below=20
the
=20federally=20mandated=20minimum=20wage.
=20Hmmm!
=20Thanks,=20Joshua

=20On=207/19/12,=20Arielle=20Silverman=20<arielle71 at gmail.com>=20wrote:
=20Hi=20all,
=20I=20think=20Sean's=20description=20of=20"NFB=20philosophy"=20as=20he=20s=
ees=20it=20was
=20excellent.=20I=20would=20also=20add=20two=20things:
=201.=20I=20don't=20think=20the=20NFB=20has=20a=20patent=20on=20this=20phil=
osophy.=20In=20
fact,=20I
=20would=20argue=20that=20most=20committed=20ACB=20members=20and=20many=20o=
ther
=20successful
=20blind=20people=20who=20choose=20not=20to=20affiliate=20with=20organizati=
ons=20also
=20espouse=20the=20positive=20philosophy=20of=20blindness=20that=20Sean=20
described.
=20The
=20NFB=20has=20chosen=20to=20make=20this=20philosophy=20a=20central=20focus=
,=20but=20that
=20does
=20not=20mean=20that=20non-NFB=20members=20cannot=20live=20by=20it=20themse=
lves=20or
=20encourage=20others=20to=20accept=20it.=20It=20is=20important=20to=20reme=
mber=20that=20
the
=20ACB=20split=20off=20from=20the=20NFB,=20and=20although=20I=20am=20not=20=
an=20expert=20on=20
what
=20happened,=20everything=20I've=20read=20about=20the=20split=20suggests=20=
that=20it
=20occurred=20because=20of=20disagreements=20about=20how=20leadership=20in=
=20the
=20organization=20should=20be=20structured,=20not=20about=20fundamental=20
philosophy
=20of
=20blindness.=20In=20more=20recent=20years=20the=20NFB=20and=20ACB=20have=20=
taken=20
differing
=20approaches=20to=20some=20policy=20issues,=20but=20that=20does=20not=20ne=
cessarily=20
mean
=20that=20their=20core=20philosophies=20of=20blindness=20are=20at=20odds.=20=
I=20don't=20
think
=20the=20two=20organizations=20should=20merge=20into=20one=20super-organiza=
tion=20
of
=20blind=20Americans=20because=20I=20like=20the=20fact=20that=20individuals=
=20have
=20choices
=20about=20which=20organization=20to=20join=20and=20that=20there's=20not=20=
one=20big=20
group
=20monopolizing=20the=20organizational=20stage.=20But=20I=20also=20think=20=
that=20the=20
NFB
=20and=20ACB=20have=20more=20in=20common=20in=20terms=20of=20their=20goals=
=20for=20changing
=20what
=20it=20means=20to=20be=20blind=20than=20we=20might=20think=20on=20first=20=
glance.

=202.=20To=20address=20Marc's=20point=20about=20universal=20design:=20In=20=
the=20nine=20
years
=20I
=20have=20been=20a=20part=20of=20the=20NFB,=20I=20have=20observed=20that=20=
the=20NFB
=20increasingly
=20takes=20a=20pragmatic=20dualistic=20approach=20to=20promoting=20both=20
individual
=20coping=20with=20accessibility=20barriers=20and=20advocacy=20to=20bring=20=
them=20
down.
=20I
=20would=20urge=20you=20to=20read=20the=20NFB=202012=20resolutions=20once=20=
they=20become
=20available=20online,=20and=20you=20will=20find=20that=20most=20of=20these=
=20
resolutions
=20address=20access=20barriers=20in=20one=20form=20or=20another=20and=20adv=
ocate=20for
=20their
=20removal.=20I=20believe=20the=20NFB=20is=20moving=20further=20in=20the=20=
direction=20of
=20pushing=20for=20accessibility=20and=20I=20have=20seen=20change=20on=20th=
is=20front=20
even
=20since=20the=20time=20when=20I=20first=20joined=20nine=20years=20ago.=20H=
owever,=20
though
=20we
=20are=20committed=20to=20doing=20what=20we=20can=20to=20promote=20universa=
l=20access=20
for
=20blind=20people,=20we=20also=20are=20aware=20that,=20realistically,=20it=
=20will=20
take
=20time
=20for=20all=20those=20in=20power=20to=20make=20it=20happen.=20In=20the=20m=
eantime,=20we=20
are
=20also
=20working=20to=20help=20blind=20individuals=20figure=20out=20how=20to=20ad=
apt=20to=20
those
=20barriers=20we=20are=20not=20yet=20able=20to=20control.=20For=20example,=
=20we=20will=20
fight
=20for=20full=20access=20to=20educational=20technology,=20but=20instead=20o=
f=20
waiting=20to
=20enroll=20in=20college=20until=20this=20access=20happens,=20we=20will=20a=
lso=20work=20
to
=20harness=20the=20support=20of=20human=20readers=20and=20other=20adaptatio=
ns=20so=20
that
=20we
=20can=20still=20be=20successful=20in=20spite=20of=20these=20barriers.=20In=
=20other=20
words,
=20instead=20of=20pitting=20individual=20adaptation=20and=20universal=20des=
ign
=20against
=20each=20other=20as=20mutually=20exclusive=20options,=20why=20not=20take=20=
a=20dual
=20approach
=20toward=20both=20of=20these=20goals?
=20Arielle

=20On=207/19/12,=20Justin=20Salisbury=20<PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>=20wrote:=

=20I=20have=20a=20few=20notes=20for=20a=20few=20different=20people=20on=20t=
his=20thread.

=20Tyler:
=20I=20understand=20the=20hesitancy=20about=20getting=20involved=20when=20y=
ou=20don't
=20fully
=20agree
=20with=20everything=20that=20everyone=20else=20believes.=20=20I=20once=20h=
ad=20that
=20hesitation
=20about=20getting=20involved=20with=20organized=20religion.=20=20I=20start=
ed=20going=20
to
=20a
=20campus
=20ministry=20at=20my=20college=20because=20a=20friend=20sold=20me=20on=20t=
he=20free=20
dinner,
=20and
=20I
=20quickly=20learned=20that=20no=20church=20is=20homogenous=20in=20beliefs.=
=20=20In=20
some
=20churches,
=20the=20leadership=20will=20try=20like=20mad=20to=20perpetuate=20the=20ide=
a=20that
=20everyone
=20in
=20the
=20church=20believes=20exactly=20what=20they=20do=20and=20that=20anyone=20w=
ho=20
disagrees
=20slightly
=20is=20against=20them.=20=20In=20my=20church,=20we=20aren't=20like=20that,=
=20and=20we
=20understand
=20that
=20people=20have=20differing=20views.=20=20We=20unite=20under=20the=20idea=
=20that=20it's
=20okay
=20to
=20disagree=20on=20individual=20issues=20and=20discuss=20them,=20but=20we=20=
have
=20generally
=20the
=20same=20core=20beliefs.
=20That's=20how=20we=20are=20in=20the=20Federation.=20=20If=20you=20don't=20=
agree=20with
=20something
=20we're=20doing,=20I'll=20make=20an=20effort=20to=20help=20you=20come=20to=
=20terms=20with=20
it
=20because
=20that's=20my=20individual=20personality.=20=20I=20often=20find=20that,=20=
when=20
someone
=20disagrees
=20with=20something=20we're=20doing,=20it=20is=20because=20of=20a=20lack=20=
of
=20understanding
=20of
=20what
=20we're=20doing=20or=20the=20underlying=20issue.=20=20At=20the=20end=20of=
=20the=20day,=20I
=20won't
=20shun
=20you.

=20Marc=20Workman:
=20=20=20=20=20Of=20course=20we,=20in=20the=20Federation,=20fight=20to=20br=
eak=20down=20the
=20barriers.
=20Why
=20do
=20you=20think=20we=20do=20legislative=20lobbying?=20=20Washington=20Semina=
r=20is=20an
=20absolutely
=20amazing=20experience,=20and=20you=20should=20try=20it!=20=20We=20honor=20=

adaptability
=20because
=20there's=20no=20sense=20in=20being=20helpless=20in=20the=20meantime=20whi=
le=20we=20work=20
on
=20those
=20barriers.
=20On=20the=20mention=20of=20Sean's=20place=20in=20social=20stratification:=
=20=20I=20am=20a
=20colored
=20person,=20I'm=20the=20first=20person=20in=20my=20family=20to=20go=20to=20=
college,=20and=20
I
=20don't
=20bother=20wallowing=20in=20the=20lack=20of=20advantage=20that=20I=20face=
=20because=20of
=20it.
=20Quite
=20frankly,=20I'm=20not=20even=20convinced=20that=20I=20am=20disadvantaged=
=20by=20being=20
a
=20colored
=20person.=20=20With=20the=20first=20generation=20college=20student=20part,=
=20I=20have=20
to
=20seek
=20mentors=20in=20the=20academic=20process=20from=20outside=20my=20family,=
=20and=20I=20
know
=20many,
=20many=20educated=20Federationists=20who=20have=20eagerly=20fulfilled=20th=
at=20
role
=20for
=20me.
=20Lastly,=20I've=20made=20comments=20like=20"i've=20had=20this=20conversat=
ion=20with
=20you
=20before"
=20in=20a=20public=20manner=20to=20other=20people-trust=20me,=20I=20have-bu=
t=20I've
=20realized
=20in
=20retrospect=20that=20it=20only=20creates=20distance=20between=20everyone=
=20who=20
hears
=20me
=20and
=20myself.=20=20A=20lot=20of=20people=20take=20that=20as=20an=20implied=20p=
ersonal=20
attack.
=20I'm
=20not
=20saying=20Sean=20took=20it=20that=20way,=20but=20I'm=20sure=20plenty=20of=
=20people=20did
=20read
=20it
=20that
=20way.

=20Brandon=20Keith=20Biggs,=20I=20loved=20reading=20this=20part=20of=20your=
=20email:
=20In=20my=20book,=20there=20is=20no=20larger=20crime=20than=20depriving=20=
someone=20of
=20their
=20dreams
=20and=20the=20second=20biggest=20crime=20is=20taking=20away=20the=20chance=
=20for=20
people
=20to
=20reach
=20for=20those=20dreams.=20For=20while=20there=20are=20dreams,=20there=20is=
=20hope.=20
With
=20hope
=20life
=20always=20has=20enough=20energy=20to=20turn=20the=20corner=20and=20keep=20=
going.=20=20The
=20NFB
=20to
=20me
=20is=20that=20hope=20and=20the=20rock=20and=20refuge=20that=20is=20always=
=20there=20for=20me=20
if
=20I
=20need
=20it.

=20Yours=20in=20Federationism,

=20Justin=20Salisbury

=20Justin=20M.=20Salisbury
=20Class=20of=202012
=20B.A.=20in=20Mathematics
=20East=20Carolina=20University
=20president at alumni.ecu.edu

=20=93Never=20doubt=20that=20a=20small=20group=20of=20thoughtful,=20committ=
ed=20
citizens
=20can
=20change
=20the=20world;=20indeed,=20it=92s=20the=20only=20thing=20that=20ever=20has=
.=94=20=20=20=20
=97MARGARET
=20MEAD

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