[nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

[Joshua Lester]

And they can be taught, without explissit details.
I like the enitial ideas presented in the survey, and I might fill it
out, but some people want to go too far with it, and that's what I
oppose.
We can have a general education course, teaching about all of that
stuff, but we must leave the explissit stuff out, especially in a
seventh grade classroom!
If you want explissit stuff, wait until they're mature enough to
handle it, like in high school.
Blessings, Joshua

On 7/12/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com> wrote:
> Brandon,
> Schools could provide 3d models and other tactile graphics, but I don't
> think they could use live people when presenting the info. Sighted people
> get to see pictures so I think that a blind or low vision should be given
> the same but made accessible.
> You mentioned that your girlfriend did not know the different parts of her
> body, well I honestly don't think it's because she is blind. A lot of
> people
> (girls and boys alike) may not know about these things if they are not
> taught.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Brandon Keith Biggs
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 5:07 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>
> Is talking enough though? I know I would benefit from hearing someone talk
> about their romantic and sexual experiences, but what about actually seeing
> a naked woman or man? It's kind of nasty to have your first glimpse of a
> man's peaness right before he's ready to stick it in you... Same with a
> guy,
> it's kind of nasty to see a vagina for the first time before you're
> supposed
> to stick your peaness into it...
> We were told lots about date rape and whatnot in school. I had a blind
> girlfriend who knew nothing about the hymen and she had no idea that having
> sex for a virgin woman could be painful and bloody. What if her first
> sexual
> encounter was a guy who didn't know about the hymen either? Either he'd get
> scared and turned off because of all the blood, or she screams and he's
> like
> a quarter in and she says that it hurts to go any farther.
> (New advertisement for birth control!)
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Desiree Oudinot
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>
> Ok, now I can understand where you're coming from. But the kind of thing
> you
> speak of where blind people just grab on someone's boobs sounds like
> perhaps
> they have another disability as well. That's a whole other can of worms.
> But
> I still stand by what I said that a separate curriculum doesn't need to be
> made just for the blind. What I do believe, however, is that perhaps in
> summer workshops about job searching and resume building and things like
> that, these topics should be discussed. Social norms and sexual expression
> are important topics, and maybe if everyone in the room was blind, it would
> make it more beneficial. Maybe the class could even be taught by a blind
> psychologist or social worker, if one is available, for some first-hand
> experience and knowledge.
>
> On 7/12/12, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Again, we're assuming that a blind person knows what a kiss is in the
>> first
>>
>> place, we're assuming that they know that you're supposed to touch the
>> other
>>
>> person when they kiss and we're also asuming that they know that
>> kissing can
>>
>> be more than a brush of the lips.
>> I didn't realize the last 2 till I started reading books. The first
>> time I read a graphical description of a French kiss I about through
>> down my PDA I
>>
>> was like, That's gross!!!
>> I wasn't able to feel the passion and emotion put into the kiss and
>> how was
>>
>> I supposed to know that the tongue played a role in much of kissing?
>> It reminds me of another book I read where a robot was going through a
>> love
>>
>> scene and he was doing what seemed to please the woman till the woman
>> stuck
>>
>> her tongue in his ear. He jumped up and started screaming because that
>> was just so unexpected.
>> Blind kids who don't read are at a total disadvantage when it comes to
>> kissing for the first time, because they don't really know what entails.
>> Of
>>
>> course they can learn through experience, but I know for me
>> personally, learning through experience has really turned me off of
>> kissing and romantic
>>
>> encounters altogether. I had to get used to the fact that, yes, this
>> is what
>>
>> people do and yes, that's a way to show affection.
>> On another note, when I first felt what a naked woman looked like, I
>> thought
>>
>> it was pretty gross as well! Who knew they were that harry? I thought
>> women
>>
>> didn't grow hair on their body? It's only been through time that I've
>> come to realize the beauty in mail and female bodies and it has been
>> my active exploration of romance that I've found the beauty in many of
>> the nasty things that are a part of romance.
>> It's an uncomfortable subject that most people aren't really willing
>> to talk
>>
>> about, let alone teach and I think much of us blind folks are really
>> delayed
>>
>> when it comes to these romantic encounters. (Making out for the first
>> time at 22? I'm 20 and still haven't ever had a good kiss, not seeing
>> a naked woman till I was 17, not knowing where the umbilical chord is
> located?
>> I've
>>
>> never looked at porn and goodness knows I've tried, not knowing that
>> breasts
>>
>> are private on a woman...)
>> Yes I talked to a TVI who had to tell her student to stop feeling
>> women's boobs, because no one would stop him. "He's blind and he can't
>> see me, plus
>>
>> it feels good, so I'll playfully bat him away..."
>> Ladies does that sound very attractive, having a blind guy touch your
>> breasts in greeting? And if you got into a relationship he wouldn't
>> just touch yours, he'd touch everyone's?
>> Parents often have a hard time with teaching their blind kids how to
>> play, I
>>
>> don't think there's going to be much teaching about love or sex in
>> that household.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Desiree Oudinot
>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:32 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>
>> Hi Brandon,
>> Again, you're making a lot of valid points, but I have to question one
>> statement you made concerning seeing couples making out and all that.
>> Sighted people don't just watch what's being done and then
>> automatically do it right 100% of the time, either. In fact, with sex
>> there is no right or wrong, just what turns each individual on.
>> Learning what that is in each new relationship is like driving a new
>> car. You may know the rules of the road, but depending on the size of
>> the car, the speed you're going, how much traffic is on the road, and
>> other factors, you're going to have to navigate with more or less
>> caution each time. Only by mastering each route as you become more
>> comfortable with it can you fall into a pattern and stick with it. But
>> if you're used to driving on quiet country roads, and then all of a
>> sudden you move to New York City, you have to completely change your
>> approach. Do you see where my analogy is heading? It's not sight or
>> lack thereof that determines how much pleasure one can receive
>> intimately. It's the individuals in question, their level of
>> attraction, and how well they can communicate with each other to say
>> what feels good and what doesn't. Because let's face it, there's a lot
>> of feeling. If we spent all our time studying and copying others, we
>> would all enjoy the same things done the exact same way. And, as I was
>> starting to say in the beginning of my message, practice makes
>> perfect. No one knows for sure what works and what doesn't the first
>> few times, or the first few times in each successive relationship.
>> Also, I forgot to address something you said in your first message
>> concerning buying condoms. Honestly, sighted people have anonnymity
>> when they do this. Whether a blind person knows what kind they want or
>> not, they have to face the embarrassment of going up to the counter,
>> asking for assistance, and then having to tell the clerk what they
>> want. Unfortunately, there's just no way around that, so either way we
>> lose on that scale. Maybe ordering them online could be an option if
>> people don't want to take that route. Frankly, when I was a teenager,
>> I wouldn't have felt comfortable with that either.
>>
>> On 7/12/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> Nope; we are at a disadvantage in learning about sex. I think this
>>> survey is a good idea.
>>> Without any vision, perhaps you don't realize how visual stuff is and
>>> what you are missing. Sex is portrayed in videos and pictures.
>>> Sighted kids learn
>>>
>>> from tv, movies, books and magazines. We do not see those pictures.
>>> I remember this  sex stuff as part of health class. We did not
>>> discuss anything controversial. We just learned about the body parts
>>> and functions;
>>>
>>> however, it was  kind of confusing without the visual pictures.
>>> Come on, even if you wait til marriage, do you really want your wife
>>> teaching you basic stuff about this activity?
>>> Also, books do not mean much without a reference explaining the act.
>>> I know
>>>
>>> from experience. When a book says a certain term, I had no clue what
>>> it meant without looking it up! I won't get into details other than
>>> to say I know less about sex than my peers my age.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:10 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>>
>>> Hi, Amber!
>>> You're right!
>>> BTW, I like the lyrics in your signature!
>>> That's one of my favorite songs!
>>> Welcome to the list!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 7/12/12, Herrin, Amber R. <herrinar at muohio.edu> wrote:
>>>> Dear Joshua,
>>>>
>>>> I have to agree with you here!  For me, the idea of knowing about
>>>> sex, before I'm sharing it with my husband, is kind
>>>> of...unnecessary, I guess?
>>>> Maybe the wrong answer, and I understand that not everyone believes
>>>> you should wait until marriage as I do, but I think that being blind
>>>> doesn't prevent us from finding out about it the same way sighted
>>>> people do-experiment (isn't that what most people do anyway?) or
>>>> read books written on the topic (how confusing can text be?)
>>>>
>>>> Amber R. Herrin
>>>> Assistive Technology Trainer in Training: 2012
>>>> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
>>>> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
>>>> "It doesn't matter what you've heard Impossible is not a word It's
>>>> just a reason For someone not to try
>>>>
>>>> Everybody's scared to death
>>>> When they decide to take that step
>>>> Out on the water
>>>> It'll be alright
>>>>
>>>> Life is so much more
>>>> Than what your eyes are seeing
>>>> You will find your way
>>>> If you keep believing"
>>>> -Kutless "What Faith Can Do"
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:35 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>>>
>>>> I personally did fine, in those courses, in school, without the new
>>>> proposed curriculum, that they're wanting.
>>>> I don't see the need for one, because who really wants to know,
>>>> what's being shown, in those slides?
>>>> Good grief!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 7/11/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have been asked to circulate the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dear NFB Member,
>>>>>>The National Federation of the Blind has been gracious enough to
>>>>>>help us with a current project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We are currently seeking your opinion in a survey that will help us
>>>>>>write a curriculum for students with low vision and blindness in
>>>>>>the area of sex education.  Currently no curriculum exists for
>>>>>>students with low vision and blindness that reflect current
>>>>>>education standards.  Young people, educators, and professionals
>>>>>>have all indicated that there is a desperate need for such a
> curriculum.
>>>>>>We want your voice to impact our work!
>>>>>>Please take the time to fill out the survey at the link found below:
>>>>>><https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>https://www.surv
>>>>>>eym
>>>>>>onkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey
>>>>>>
>>>>>><https://maverick.hec.ohio-state.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http
>>>>>>s:/ /www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you for your time and consideration of this project!
>>>>>>Tiffany Wild, Mollie Blackburn, Stacy Kelly, and Caitlin Ryan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you,
>>>>>>Mika Baugh
>>>>>>National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>200 East Wells Street
>>>>>>      at Jernigan Place
>>>>>>Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>>>P: (410) 659 9314 ext. 2371
>>>>>>E: <mailto:mbaugh at nfb.org>mbaugh at nfb.org
>>>>>>W: <http://www.nfb.org>www.nfb.org
>>>>>>
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