[nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

[Joshua Lester]

And, BTW, when Gabe brought out my mistake, I appologized for it.
Blessings, Joshua

On 7/14/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> As usual, Joshua, you have your facts wrong.  Dr. Maurer does not
> have five kids, he has two, and why bring him into this discussion anyway!
>
> Dave
>
> At 07:13 PM 7/12/2012, you wrote:
>>Good grief!
>>I just have one question for you, since you're for this new curriculum.
>>How do you think Dr Maurer, and his wife learned?
>>They didn't have sex-education, in the 1950's, but they have 5 kids!
>>That whole story destroys the argument!
>>Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>On 7/12/12, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Is talking enough though? I know I would benefit from hearing someone
>> > talk
>> > about their romantic and sexual experiences, but what about actually
>> > seeing
>> >
>> > a naked woman or man? It's kind of nasty to have your first glimpse of
>> > a
>> > man's peaness right before he's ready to stick it in you... Same
>> with a guy,
>> >
>> > it's kind of nasty to see a vagina for the first time before
>> you're supposed
>> >
>> > to stick your peaness into it...
>> > We were told lots about date rape and whatnot in school. I had a blind
>> > girlfriend who knew nothing about the hymen and she had no idea that
>> > having
>> >
>> > sex for a virgin woman could be painful and bloody. What if her
>> first sexual
>> >
>> > encounter was a guy who didn't know about the hymen either? Either he'd
>> > get
>> >
>> > scared and turned off because of all the blood, or she screams
>> and he's like
>> >
>> > a quarter in and she says that it hurts to go any farther.
>> > (New advertisement for birth control!)
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Brandon Keith Biggs
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Desiree Oudinot
>> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:46 PM
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>> >
>> > Ok, now I can understand where you're coming from. But the kind of
>> > thing you speak of where blind people just grab on someone's boobs
>> > sounds like perhaps they have another disability as well. That's a
>> > whole other can of worms. But I still stand by what I said that a
>> > separate curriculum doesn't need to be made just for the blind. What I
>> > do believe, however, is that perhaps in summer workshops about job
>> > searching and resume building and things like that, these topics
>> > should be discussed. Social norms and sexual expression are important
>> > topics, and maybe if everyone in the room was blind, it would make it
>> > more beneficial. Maybe the class could even be taught by a blind
>> > psychologist or social worker, if one is available, for some
>> > first-hand experience and knowledge.
>> >
>> > On 7/12/12, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hello,
>> >> Again, we're assuming that a blind person knows what a kiss is in the
>> >> first
>> >>
>> >> place, we're assuming that they know that you're supposed to touch the
>> >> other
>> >>
>> >> person when they kiss and we're also asuming that they know that
>> >> kissing
>> >> can
>> >>
>> >> be more than a brush of the lips.
>> >> I didn't realize the last 2 till I started reading books. The first
>> >> time
>> >> I
>> >> read a graphical description of a French kiss I about through down my
>> >> PDA
>> >>
>> >> I
>> >>
>> >> was like, That's gross!!!
>> >> I wasn't able to feel the passion and emotion put into the kiss and
>> >> how
>> >> was
>> >>
>> >> I supposed to know that the tongue played a role in much of kissing?
>> >> It reminds me of another book I read where a robot was going through a
>> >> love
>> >>
>> >> scene and he was doing what seemed to please the woman till the woman
>> >> stuck
>> >>
>> >> her tongue in his ear. He jumped up and started screaming because that
>> >> was
>> >> just so unexpected.
>> >> Blind kids who don't read are at a total disadvantage when it comes to
>> >> kissing for the first time, because they don't really know what
>> >> entails.
>> >> Of
>> >>
>> >> course they can learn through experience, but I know for me
>> >> personally,
>> >> learning through experience has really turned me off of kissing and
>> >> romantic
>> >>
>> >> encounters altogether. I had to get used to the fact that, yes, this
>> >> is
>> >> what
>> >>
>> >> people do and yes, that's a way to show affection.
>> >> On another note, when I first felt what a naked woman looked like, I
>> >> thought
>> >>
>> >> it was pretty gross as well! Who knew they were that harry? I thought
>> >> women
>> >>
>> >> didn't grow hair on their body? It's only been through time that I've
>> >> come
>> >> to realize the beauty in mail and female bodies and it has been my
>> >> active
>> >> exploration of romance that I've found the beauty in many of the nasty
>> >> things that are a part of romance.
>> >> It's an uncomfortable subject that most people aren't really willing
>> >> to
>> >> talk
>> >>
>> >> about, let alone teach and I think much of us blind folks are really
>> >> delayed
>> >>
>> >> when it comes to these romantic encounters. (Making out for the first
>> >> time
>> >> at 22? I'm 20 and still haven't ever had a good kiss, not seeing a
>> >> naked
>> >> woman till I was 17, not knowing where the umbilical chord is located?
>> >> I've
>> >>
>> >> never looked at porn and goodness knows I've tried, not knowing that
>> >> breasts
>> >>
>> >> are private on a woman...)
>> >> Yes I talked to a TVI who had to tell her student to stop feeling
>> >> women's
>> >> boobs, because no one would stop him. "He's blind and he can't see me,
>> >> plus
>> >>
>> >> it feels good, so I'll playfully bat him away..."
>> >> Ladies does that sound very attractive, having a blind guy touch your
>> >> breasts in greeting? And if you got into a relationship he wouldn't
>> >> just
>> >> touch yours, he'd touch everyone's?
>> >> Parents often have a hard time with teaching their blind kids how to
>> >> play,
>> >>
>> >> I
>> >>
>> >> don't think there's going to be much teaching about love or sex in
>> >> that
>> >> household.
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Desiree Oudinot
>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:32 PM
>> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>> >>
>> >> Hi Brandon,
>> >> Again, you're making a lot of valid points, but I have to question one
>> >> statement you made concerning seeing couples making out and all that.
>> >> Sighted people don't just watch what's being done and then
>> >> automatically do it right 100% of the time, either. In fact, with sex
>> >> there is no right or wrong, just what turns each individual on.
>> >> Learning what that is in each new relationship is like driving a new
>> >> car. You may know the rules of the road, but depending on the size of
>> >> the car, the speed you're going, how much traffic is on the road, and
>> >> other factors, you're going to have to navigate with more or less
>> >> caution each time. Only by mastering each route as you become more
>> >> comfortable with it can you fall into a pattern and stick with it. But
>> >> if you're used to driving on quiet country roads, and then all of a
>> >> sudden you move to New York City, you have to completely change your
>> >> approach. Do you see where my analogy is heading? It's not sight or
>> >> lack thereof that determines how much pleasure one can receive
>> >> intimately. It's the individuals in question, their level of
>> >> attraction, and how well they can communicate with each other to say
>> >> what feels good and what doesn't. Because let's face it, there's a lot
>> >> of feeling. If we spent all our time studying and copying others, we
>> >> would all enjoy the same things done the exact same way. And, as I was
>> >> starting to say in the beginning of my message, practice makes
>> >> perfect. No one knows for sure what works and what doesn't the first
>> >> few times, or the first few times in each successive relationship.
>> >> Also, I forgot to address something you said in your first message
>> >> concerning buying condoms. Honestly, sighted people have anonnymity
>> >> when they do this. Whether a blind person knows what kind they want or
>> >> not, they have to face the embarrassment of going up to the counter,
>> >> asking for assistance, and then having to tell the clerk what they
>> >> want. Unfortunately, there's just no way around that, so either way we
>> >> lose on that scale. Maybe ordering them online could be an option if
>> >> people don't want to take that route. Frankly, when I was a teenager,
>> >> I wouldn't have felt comfortable with that either.
>> >>
>> >> On 7/12/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>> Joshua,
>> >>> Nope; we are at a disadvantage in learning about sex. I think this
>> >>> survey
>> >>> is a good idea.
>> >>> Without any vision, perhaps you don't realize how visual stuff is and
>> >>> what
>> >>> you are missing. Sex is portrayed in videos and pictures. Sighted
>> >>> kids
>> >>> learn
>> >>>
>> >>> from tv, movies, books and magazines. We do not see those pictures.
>> >>> I remember this  sex stuff as part of health class. We did not
>> >>> discuss
>> >>> anything controversial. We just learned about the body parts and
>> >>> functions;
>> >>>
>> >>> however, it was  kind of confusing without the visual pictures.
>> >>> Come on, even if you wait til marriage, do you really want your wife
>> >>> teaching you basic stuff about this activity?
>> >>> Also, books do not mean much without a reference explaining the act.
>> >>> I
>> >>> know
>> >>>
>> >>> from experience. When a book says a certain term, I had no clue what
>> >>> it
>> >>> meant without looking it up! I won't get into details other than to
>> >>> say
>> >>> I
>> >>> know less about sex than my peers my age.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ashley
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Joshua Lester
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:10 PM
>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi, Amber!
>> >>> You're right!
>> >>> BTW, I like the lyrics in your signature!
>> >>> That's one of my favorite songs!
>> >>> Welcome to the list!
>> >>> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>>
>> >>> On 7/12/12, Herrin, Amber R. <herrinar at muohio.edu> wrote:
>> >>>> Dear Joshua,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have to agree with you here!  For me, the idea of knowing about
>> >>>> sex,
>> >>>> before I'm sharing it with my husband, is kind of...unnecessary, I
>> >>>> guess?
>> >>>> Maybe the wrong answer, and I understand that not everyone believes
>> >>>> you
>> >>>> should wait until marriage as I do, but I think that being blind
>> >>>> doesn't
>> >>>> prevent us from finding out about it the same way sighted people
>> >>>> do-experiment (isn't that what most people do anyway?) or read books
>> >>>> written
>> >>>> on the topic (how confusing can text be?)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Amber R. Herrin
>> >>>> Assistive Technology Trainer in Training: 2012
>> >>>> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
>> >>>> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
>> >>>> "It doesn't matter what you've heard
>> >>>> Impossible is not a word
>> >>>> It's just a reason
>> >>>> For someone not to try
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Everybody's scared to death
>> >>>> When they decide to take that step
>> >>>> Out on the water
>> >>>> It'll be alright
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Life is so much more
>> >>>> Than what your eyes are seeing
>> >>>> You will find your way
>> >>>> If you keep believing"
>> >>>> -Kutless "What Faith Can Do"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>> On
>> >>>> Behalf
>> >>>> Of Joshua Lester
>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:35 PM
>> >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I personally did fine, in those courses, in school, without the new
>> >>>> proposed
>> >>>> curriculum, that they're wanting.
>> >>>> I don't see the need for one, because who really wants to know,
>> >>>> what's
>> >>>> being
>> >>>> shown, in those slides?
>> >>>> Good grief!
>> >>>> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 7/11/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>I have been asked to circulate the following:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dave
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Dear NFB Member,
>> >>>>>>The National Federation of the Blind has been gracious enough to
>> >>>>>> help
>> >>>>>>us with a current project.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>We are currently seeking your opinion in a survey that will help us
>> >>>>>>write a curriculum for students with low vision and blindness in
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>area of sex education.  Currently no curriculum exists for students
>> >>>>>>with low vision and blindness that reflect current education
>> >>>>>>standards.  Young people, educators, and professionals have all
>> >>>>>>indicated that there is a desperate need for such a curriculum.
>> >>>>>>We want your voice to impact our work!
>> >>>>>>Please take the time to fill out the survey at the link found
>> >>>>>> below:
>> >>>>>><https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>https://www.surveym
>> >>>>>>onkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>><https://maverick.hec.ohio-state.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL
>> =https:/>>>>>>/www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Thank you for your time and consideration of this project!
>> >>>>>>Tiffany Wild, Mollie Blackburn, Stacy Kelly, and Caitlin Ryan
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Thank you,
>> >>>>>>Mika Baugh
>> >>>>>>National Federation of the Blind
>> >>>>>>200 East Wells Street
>> >>>>>>      at Jernigan Place
>> >>>>>>Baltimore, MD 21230
>> >>>>>>P: (410) 659 9314 ext. 2371
>> >>>>>>E: <mailto:mbaugh at nfb.org>mbaugh at nfb.org
>> >>>>>>W: <http://www.nfb.org>www.nfb.org
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