[nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs

Wed Jul 18 00:15:55 UTC 2012

Some of the things she mentioned were going on, when I was there.
I'd say this, if the NFB centers concentrated on doing both
independent living, and also have a separate employment training
program, they'd get more support from Rehab.
The only problem is the funding.
Where will it come from?
Blessings, Joshua

On 7/17/12, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Know Arielle I suspect WSB as a whole does not belong to any organization.
> They try to remain neutral and WSB actually had a table at the exhabit hall
> at the NFB convention. I am not a big fan of WSB to the extend that some on
> this list might think I am, however, I do not like reading some of the
> comments I read on here from people who do not necessarly know all the
> facts.
> The things Amber has mentioned are valid and credible because she is there
> now. If I were considering attending WSB, I would seriously take into
> consideration the things she mentioned. However, WSB does have an employment
> track and it is easier for Rehab Counselors to send clients to a training
> center which can lead to employment like the WSB rather than an independent
> living training center like the NFB training centers that do a good job in
> providing independent living training, but do not lead to employment. I
> personally understand the value of how independent living training is
> important in being successful in employment and most rehab counselors do as
> well, but we have to justify how we are spending the tax payer money to
> largely ignorent sighted society who do not necessarly see the value of
> independent training for a blind person.
> To answer the question, the IRS is a promising job that pays the starting
> salarry of $45,000 I think with growth opportunity. So you have to decide if
> you want to put up with some of the things mentioned: bad food, unclean
> building, ect for 6 to 9 months and have a good job after that.
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 6:22 PM
>> I suspect that certain students or
>> staff at WSB are ACB members and
>> try to recruit, but that the WSB itself doesn't have a
>> particular
>> organizational position.
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 7/17/12, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Thank you Dave for pointing out that the Little Rock
>> chapter of the NFB
>> > meets at World Services for the Blind. Josh, if
>> according to you they try so
>> > hard to recruit students to the ACB, then why do they
>> allow the NFB meet in
>> > their building and the local chapter of the ACB does
>> not meet there?
>> >
>> > Anmol
>> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>> make me sad. Perhaps
>> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
>> vague, like a breeze
>> > among flowers.
>> > Hellen Keller
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>> Training Programs
>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 12:25 PM
>> >> I'm going to attend LCB, after
>> >> graduating from college.
>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>
>> >> On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hello Joshua and everyone,
>> >> >
>> >> >     Let' sleet her decide if she
>> >> would benefit from a complete training
>> >> > program or not. All three NFB centers have
>> >> employment-related assistance and
>> >> >
>> >> > offer training in several specific areas. Have
>> you been
>> >> to an NFB center
>> >> > yourself?
>> >> >
>> >> > Peter Donahue
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> >> > To: "National Association of Blind Students
>> mailing
>> >> list"
>> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 AM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock
>> Employment
>> >> Training Programs
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > She has the skills to take care of herself.
>> >> > She needs job training.
>> >> > Is there an NFB sponsored ATI program?
>> >> > Thanks, Joshua
>> >> >
>> >> > On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> Good morning everyone,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>     LWSB, formerly the Arkansas
>> >> Enterprises for the Blind has had a long
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> checkered history concerning its treatment
>> of the
>> >> blind persons it claims
>> >> >>
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> serve. The conditions you describe have
>> existed
>> >> there for many years. At
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> time it was accredited by the National
>> >> Accreditation Council for Agencies
>> >> >> Serving the Blind and Physically
>> Handicapped (NAC.)
>> >> Its former blind
>> >> >> director was a key figure in NAC. NAC had
>> a
>> >> reputation for condoning
>> >> >> practices that often led to blind persons
>> being
>> >> abused, mistreated, and
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> the case of sheltered workshops being paid
>> less
>> >> than the Federal minimum
>> >> >> wage. NAC'S so-called "Standards of
>> Accreditation"
>> >> failed to address
>> >> >> these
>> >> >> issues. For example the standards called
>> for the
>> >> agency's grounds to be
>> >> >> pleasant but did not require the
>> sheltered
>> >> workshops they accredited to
>> >> >> pay
>> >> >> all employees including the blind
>> employees the
>> >> Federal minimum wage.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>     In 1985 NAC held its annual
>> >> meeting in Littlerock and the NFB was
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> to "Greet" them. Both the then Arkansas
>> Enterprises
>> >> for the Blind and the
>> >> >> Arkansas School for the Blind were
>> picketed by the
>> >> NFB. While at AEB a
>> >> >> number of AEB clients told us that there
>> were
>> >> problems and that it needed
>> >> >>
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> be investigated. I know because Mary and I
>> were on
>> >> that picket line.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>     Judging from what I've read
>> >> NAC for practical purposes is gone but
>> >> >> vestiges of its evil doings remain at
>> agencies such
>> >> as LWSB. Amber here's
>> >> >> hoping you will eventually attend an NFB
>> training
>> >> center. These centers
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> a big cut above anything else out there.
>> All the
>> >> best.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Peter Donahue
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> >> >> To: "National Association of Blind
>> Students mailing
>> >> list"
>> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:33 PM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock
>> Employment
>> >> Training Programs
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Amber,
>> >> >> Well, my goodness. I'd have to say first
>> that I
>> >> commend your efforts in
>> >> >> sticking to the facts or trying to. I
>> think you did
>> >> a good job for
>> >> >> someone
>> >> >> who did not have a good experience.  I've
>> also
>> >> heard bad rumors about it.
>> >> >> Second, with all this publicity, I'm real
>> surprised
>> >> that
>> >> >> LWSB continues to stay open and attracting
>> the
>> >> clients it does.
>> >> >> Which program were you in? Independent
>> living? or a
>> >> job program?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> About rules, personally signing in and out
>> doesn't
>> >> bother me. You are in
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> training setting and with this litigious
>> society,
>> >> they need to account
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> everyone. What if there was an emergency?
>> They need
>> >> to know where
>> >> >> everyone
>> >> >> is. People go missing everyday and are
>> never found.
>> >> Youwouldn't want your
>> >> >> parents or friends or family calling and
>> them
>> >> saying, oh, we do not know
>> >> >> where your son is;  he may be on campus
>> or
>> >> not.
>> >> >> The other thing about the no microwave or
>> fridge
>> >> would bother me. As a
>> >> >> college student, I enjoyed having my own
>> fridge in
>> >> my room.
>> >> >> It gave me some freedom to have a cold
>> drink or
>> >> cold snack when I wanted
>> >> >> to.
>> >> >> Since the cafeteria closed early at 7:30,
>> this was
>> >> definitely nice.
>> >> >> That seems early to me given the fact that
>> I eat
>> >> late at home; between 7
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> 8pm.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Anyway, Amber you are making a good
>> personal
>> >> decision to leave. So I wish
>> >> >> you luck in your next decision to find
>> decent
>> >> training or whatever you
>> >> >> need.
>> >> >> I don't remember your intro to us, so I'm
>> not sure
>> >> if you are a current
>> >> >> college student or recent grad.
>> >> >> If you haven't finished school, I hope you
>> can as
>> >> it opens up more doors
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ashley
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Herrin, Amber R.
>> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:36 PM
>> >> >> To: 'National Association of Blind
>> Students mailing
>> >> list'
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock
>> Employment
>> >> Training Programs
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ian,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I am currently at WSB, but am planning to
>> leave on
>> >> Friday.  Here is what
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> have experienced.  I will do my best to
>> give
>> >> only facts and not color
>> >> >> those
>> >> >> facts with my opinion, though before I
>> begin, I
>> >> will clearly state that
>> >> >> if
>> >> >> you are asking for an opinion as to
>> whether or not
>> >> one should attend this
>> >> >> program in order to obtain a job, I would
>> have to
>> >> say no.  But I am not
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> or anyone else for that matter, and what I
>> have
>> >> experienced here has
>> >> >> colored
>> >> >> my opinion, and may not be very reliable.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The facts:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *Several students (including myself) have
>> had
>> >> valuables go missing.
>> >> >> *The food does not seem to meet health and
>> safety
>> >> codes. (just one
>> >> >> example-there are many-one evening we had
>> chicken
>> >> wings, and though the
>> >> >> outside was hot, the inside was not.  I
>> would
>> >> not mention this, except
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> is not an isolated incident.)
>> >> >> *The showers have light bulbs  (not
>> protected
>> >> by any kind of panels)
>> >> >> inside
>> >> >> the actual stall where water could be
>> accidentally
>> >> splashed.  I brought
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> up as a concern, so they put a cover over
>> mine, but
>> >> mine is not the only
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> that this is the case with (as confirmed
>> by other
>> >> clients.)
>> >> >> *Despite several complaints from many
>> clients, the
>> >> building is full of
>> >> >> bugs.
>> >> >> They say that someone comes regularly to
>> spray, but
>> >> bugs were found even
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> my room, and I am a very clean person.
>> (read as, do
>> >> not leave food in
>> >> >> uncealed containers or dishes with food
>> still on
>> >> them etc.)
>> >> >> *Clients are unable to have microwaves or
>> >> refrigerators in their rooms,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> so are reduced to coolers full of ice or
>> nothing at
>> >> all except cafeteria
>> >> >> food.  There are microwaves that
>> physically
>> >> exist, but they do not work
>> >> >> very
>> >> >> well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Now I can say that there are other things
>> I could
>> >> talk about, but they
>> >> >> probably come down to personal preference
>> and
>> >> really are just normal
>> >> >> inconveniences that one would encounter on
>> any
>> >> college dorm, except they
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> exaggerated because of the fact that
>> everything is
>> >> scaled down hugely.
>> >> >> So
>> >> >> while, for example, on most college
>> campuses, you
>> >> could go to a dining
>> >> >> hall
>> >> >> at almost any time of day, if you do not
>> come to
>> >> meals at the times
>> >> >> specified, you don't eat meals.  I am
>> sure
>> >> that anyone can argue that
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> in school, you have to work with a
>> particular
>> >> schedule, and while this is
>> >> >> true to some extent, I do take issue with
>> the fact
>> >> that we can't even
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> microwaves or refrigerators in our rooms
>> so that we
>> >> may maintain the
>> >> >> schedules that are most comfortable for
>> us.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The last thing I mention is a large thing
>> and may
>> >> not affect anyone, but
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> feel I must mention it, because if I did
>> not, I
>> >> would be doing a great
>> >> >> disservice to anyone considering attending
>> this
>> >> center.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Two weeks ago this Friday, I was groped by
>> an
>> >> authority figure.  He was
>> >> >> picking me up from the airport, and I was
>> >> approaching the baggage claim
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> a female passenger from my flight.  This
>> >> authority figure approached me
>> >> >> without announcing himself, put his arm
>> around my
>> >> waist, hugged me to
>> >> >> himself in a tight, possessive manner, and
>> told the
>> >> female passenger who
>> >> >> had
>> >> >> offered to walk with me that he "had it
>> under
>> >> control from there, but
>> >> >> thanks."  After which, he looked down at
>> me
>> >> and said, "How was your trip,
>> >> >> Punkin?  We've missed you!  We're so
>> glad
>> >> you're home!"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This man did not announce himself to me in
>> the
>> >> beginning, should have
>> >> >> been
>> >> >> treating me professionally, is old enough
>> to be my
>> >> father, and possibly
>> >> >> even
>> >> >> my grandfather, has only interacted with
>> me
>> >> minimally since my arrival at
>> >> >> the center, I'm 24, etc etc etc.
>> Basically,
>> >> it was wayyy wayyyy beyond
>> >> >> what
>> >> >> one would call professional or even
>> acceptable
>> >> regardless of setting.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I cannot tell you whether to attend this
>> center;
>> >> only you can decide that
>> >> >> for yourself.  What I can tell you is
>> that the
>> >> man who did this to me was
>> >> >> reported by me, and, I have discovered,
>> has been
>> >> reported multiple times
>> >> >> by
>> >> >> other females that he has violated in one
>> way or
>> >> another, and still holds
>> >> >>
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> job here.  I believe there is something
>> big
>> >> going on here that I am
>> >> >> unaware
>> >> >> of, and am only glad to be leaving.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have met some truly wonderful people
>> here, but
>> >> regardless of that, I
>> >> >> could
>> >> >> never suggest that someone attend here.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I hope this helps you make your
>> decision.  If
>> >> it does not, please know
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> I wish you all the best.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Amber R. Herrin
>> >> >> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
>> >> >> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
>> >> >> "It doesn't matter what you've heard
>> >> >> Impossible is not a word
>> >> >> It's just a reason
>> >> >> For someone not to try
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Everybody's scared to death
>> >> >> When they decide to take that step
>> >> >> Out on the water
>> >> >> It'll be alright
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Life is so much more
>> >> >> Than what your eyes are seeing
>> >> >> You will find your way
>> >> >> If you keep believing"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >> On
>> >> >> Behalf
>> >> >> Of Anmol Bhatia
>> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:49 PM
>> >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students
>> mailing
>> >> list
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock
>> Employment
>> >> Training Programs
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ian,
>> >> >> I have never attended LWSB as a trainny,
>> but I used
>> >> to go there on to
>> >> >> stay
>> >> >> during weekends in the 1990s. The only
>> thing I can
>> >> say is that LWSB has
>> >> >> made
>> >> >> alot of changes last couple of years and I
>> would
>> >> think about visiting
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> before deciding one way or the other. They
>> do have
>> >> an option to live off
>> >> >> campus and as far as I am aware that there
>> is not a
>> >> sign in and sign out
>> >> >> policy  after class time. Now they may
>> have
>> >> sign in and sign out policy
>> >> >> during class time to keep count of
>> attendance,
>> >> however, this is know
>> >> >> different signing in and signing out of
>> work which
>> >> everyone blind and
>> >> >> sighted has to do.
>> >> >> The IRS program is one of the best
>> programs there
>> >> and frankly since you
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> to be excepted for a job at one of the IRS
>> offices,
>> >> it is a guarantied
>> >> >> employment after completing the program
>> and they
>> >> start at 45,000 or more.
>> >> >> The food was not the greatest, however, as
>> I said
>> >> above LWSB now known as
>> >> >> World Services for the Blind has made alot
>> of
>> >> changes under the new
>> >> >> director
>> >> >> and frankly I can not tell you how the
>> food is now.
>> >> As I said earlier, I
>> >> >> would make a visit there before making any
>> kind of
>> >> decision.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Anmol
>> >> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and
>> they never
>> >> make me sad. Perhaps
>> >> >> there is just a touch of yearning at
>> times; but it
>> >> is vague, like a
>> >> >> breeze
>> >> >> among flowers.
>> >> >> Hellen Keller
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> From: Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
>> >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock
>> Employment
>> >> Training Programs
>> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind
>> Students"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>> Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 4:14 PM
>> >> >>> Hi
>> >> >>> I’m wondering if any of you have
>> attended
>> >> LWSB for one of their
>> >> >>> employment training programs, or LWSB
>> in
>> >> general?
>> >> >>> I’m looking into one of the IRS
>> programs, and
>> >> was reading the manual,
>> >> >>> and it seems like a very strict and
>> structured
>> >> environment, even
>> >> >>> though most of the participants are
>> adults. For
>> >> instance, you have to
>> >> >>> sign out if you want to go somewhere
>> and things
>> >> like that. Have any of
>> >> >>> you attended LWSB? I’d love to hear
>> what your
>> >> experiences were. Since
>> >> >>> I’ve been to college, it sounds like
>> it’s
>> >> not as independent of an
>> >> >>> environment.
>> >> >>> Ian
>> >> >>>
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