[nabs-l] New Computer

Wed Jul 18 02:21:44 UTC 2012

Amber, I have some questions for you concerning the Mac, that I think
would be better suited for off list.
Thanks, Joshua

On 7/17/12, Herrin, Amber R. <herrinar at muohio.edu> wrote:
> Tyler,
>
> I apologize.  I can see that I should have waited until I had more brain to
> write my response. Re-reading what I wrote now, I can see how what I wrote
> looks, but it isn't really even what I meant, so it's pointless.  I'll just
> shut up now, since I've obviously made myself look like a dumby.  LOL.  No
> hard feelings.  Just the truth.
>
> I really do know more than that message made me look like.  I just did not
> word it well.
>
> Again, I apologize.
>
> Amber R. Herrin
> ATI Student in Training 2012
> World Services for the Blind
> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
> 2811 Fair Park Boulevard
> Little Rock, AR 72204
> "It doesn't matter what you've heard
> Impossible is not a word
> It's just a reason
> For someone not to try
>
> Everybody's scared to death
> When they decide to take that step
> Out on the water
> It'll be alright
>
> Life is so much more
> Than what your eyes are seeing
> You will find your way
> If you keep believing"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Littlefield, Tyler
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Computer
>
> Your scenarios make no sense at all.
> Yes, apple developed Voiceover, Freedom Scientific developed Jaws.
> Because FS is third party does not mean that the screen reader is going to
> be irratic and it might just suddenly decide to send tentacles out your USB
> port to gobble you up for lunch. Whether or not you get in touch with apple
> or FS, or even GWMicro, they probably won't support a ton of third-party
> programs. There are standards to make programs more accessible, which is
> what Voiceover and windows readers use, so it's not just some unknown deal.
> If your going to throw out scenarios, it really helps if you have an
> understanding of the options and how things work before you work them out,
> otherwise it just makes no sense and you're left with the message you just
> popped out with.
>
> Yes, You do get voiceover free on the MAC, but for $1400 I can buy an
> amazing computer that isn't apple as well. I could also use NVDA, which no,
> it's not installed by default, but it can very easily be installed and you
> have not only the ability to buy a cheaper computer with non-proprietary
> hardware, but you also have a free screenreader, which compares and exceeds
> a lot of what voiceover can do. You mention scenarios and accessibility, so
> here's a scenario for you.
>
> You get an app on the mac, and vo+left/right doesn't work--what do you do.
> Well, you can sort of automate things sometimes, assuming you can access
> things through apple script, you might be able to do it with macros, but
> this is a long shot. On windows you have more options--you can use the
> object navigation or the jaws cursor, or you can write scripts for the app
> itself, rather than some external slow clunky applescript mess.
>
> I'm not going to totally trash OSX--I totally 100% love the accessible
> install, and I love some of the apps--nothing I've ever seen beats mail on
> OSX. I just want to discourage bad information just for the ability to
> spread mac love.
> On 7/17/2012 7:44 PM, Herrin, Amber R. wrote:
>> Beth,
>>
>> Something you could add is that it is easier for you to get computer
>> and screen reader support because of the fact that it is integrated.
>>
>> Consider the scenario:
>>
>> Something, who knows what, pick your favorite (or least favorite, as I
>> like to do) program, and assume that something won't work.
>>
>> You get in touch with the developer of the program, and they say they
>> don't know whether or not their program is supported by our screen
>> reader, and anyway, your screen reader is a third-party app, so who
>> knows whose fault it really is?
>>
>> You call your screen reader of choice's tech support line, but, they
>> to, have no ideas.  We're sorry it's broken, but we really can't be
>> sure that every program is compatible with our screen reader.  If it's
>> not a popular program, you can't be sure of anything.  Maybe we need
>> someone to write scripts for it.
>>
>> Or:
>>
>> You discover that something doesn't work, so you call Apple.  Now,
>> Apple didn't develop this program, but they did develop the screen
>> reader, so they kno0w how it should interact with the computer,
>> whereas, there is no predicting what any given screen reader will do.
>>
>> It's cheaper to upgrade the operating system for apple's products,
>> which means, whenever the operating system is upgraded, the screen
>> reader is automatically upgraded.
>>
>> I could go on and on about this stuff.  If you'd like an actual
>> conversation about it, please feel free to use information located in
>> my signature.  I would be glad to talk Apple with you; I have iOs
>> devices as well as a Mac Mini.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Amber R. Herrin
>> ATI Student in Training 2012
>> World Services for the Blind
>> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
>> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
>> 2811 Fair Park Boulevard
>> Little Rock, AR 72204
>> "It doesn't matter what you've heard
>> Impossible is not a word
>> It's just a reason
>> For someone not to try
>>
>> Everybody's scared to death
>> When they decide to take that step
>> Out on the water
>> It'll be alright
>>
>> Life is so much more
>> Than what your eyes are seeing
>> You will find your way
>> If you keep believing"
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Beth
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:02 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Computer
>>
>> What would be a good case to plead? I would want to say that Voiceover
>> doesn't require a license key and all this money to update every two
>> minutes.  Well, maybe not every two minutes, but I want to know how I
>> could plead a good case.  It is cheaper in the long run to purchase a
>> Mac rather than a Windows PC.  Plus I could read the books I purchase
>> on Itunes.  I need help convincing rehab that a Mac is the way to go
>> for me and not the overly expensive and money-hungry Windows PC.  If
>> you have any further ideas, just email me off list.
>> Thanks.
>> Beth
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:38:51 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Computer
>>
>> Beth,
>>    Out here in Utah rehab's been known to buy macs if clients can
>> plead a strong enough case to go that route instead of windows.  I
>> might switch over eventually but, I love jaws, and although I also
>> love my iPhone, the learning curve to switch from jaws to voiceover,
>> on a desktop or laptop, seems rather steep to me right now.
>>    Best,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 7/16/12, Valerie Gibson <valandkayla at gmail.com> wrote:
>>   Yes mac has a word processor called text edit.  I don't think rehab
>> deals with macs??hey don't in my state any way.
>>
>>   Good Luck.
>>   On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:12 PM, Beth wrote:
>>
>>   I'm in the market for a Mac.  I have a question about Macs.  Is
>> there a word processor for Mac?  Does it come with a Microsoft Word
>> for Mac or something?  I'm wondering because I need a computer for
>> college and rehab will probably be buying it when I give them my two
> cents. ...
>> Anyway,
>>   that's all I have to say.
>>   Beth
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
>>   To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>   Date sent: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:31:07 -0500
>>   Subject: [nabs-l] New Computer
>>
>>   Good evening everyone,
>>
>>     If those of us in the market for new computers were gathered at
>> the national office for a seminar of some kind perhaps Dr. Maurer
>> would call us  "The New Computer Seminar." I have an HP Pavilion rig
>> that has served me  well for 8 years and will probably run for a while
>> longer. But when you know  the clock is ticking and you want an
>> information processing powerhouse  it's  time to shop for a new computer.
>>
>>     Last year we bought one for my wife quite unexpectedly. Now it's
>> my turn. We've had great success with HP and Dell computers so I'll
>> most likely  purchess one of those brands. Mary's desktop and my
>> laptop (The "Brains"
>>   of
>>   my recording operation) is a Dell. Both machines are serving us
>> well. My HP  has given me outstanding service too. If you use Windows
>> as your primary  operating system and you choose either of those
>> brands you can't go  wrong.
>>
>>     A Mac machine is further in the  future most likely in the form of
>> an iPhone, iPad, or a NetBook. Happy computer shopping.
>>
>>   Peter Donahue
>>
>>   ??o weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper.??
>>   Isaiah 54:17
>>
>>   ??hile for our princes they prepare
>>   In caverns deep a burning snare,
>>   He shot from heaven a piercing ray,
>>   And the dark treachery brought to day.??
>>   Anonymous
>>
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