[nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs

Wed Jul 18 03:43:29 UTC 2012

Joshua,
While NFB centers do not use all cooking adaptive technology, you make it 
sound like blind cooks do not need any of it. Not true. Its my understanding 
from students of nfb centers, they do indeed have braille or raised marks 
on appliances. They also have some talking gadgets like a timer and probably 
a thermometer. As for why do centers use adaptive technology versus not, its 
an individual teaching style. Some believe we need more adaptive gadgets 
than we really do.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs

That's what's going on.
Their independence training was a scam, as well.
My friend told me that when she attended a center in her state, (not
NFB affiliated,) she was taught to cook, without the diferent adaptive
technology.
When I was at WSB, the stove had Braille, they had a "Say-When," (a
machine that you put on the cup, that beeps when the cup is full,)
etc.
If blind people can cook without that stuff, why then do they stress
the need for such machines?
Hmmm!
Thanks, Joshua

On 7/17/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I suspect that certain students or staff at WSB are ACB members and
> try to recruit, but that the WSB itself doesn't have a particular
> organizational position.
> Arielle
>
> On 7/17/12, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Thank you Dave for pointing out that the Little Rock chapter of the NFB
>> meets at World Services for the Blind. Josh, if according to you they try
>> so
>> hard to recruit students to the ACB, then why do they allow the NFB meet
>> in
>> their building and the local chapter of the ACB does not meet there?
>>
>> Anmol
>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>> breeze
>> among flowers.
>> Hellen Keller
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 12:25 PM
>>> I'm going to attend LCB, after
>>> graduating from college.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hello Joshua and everyone,
>>> >
>>> >     Let' sleet her decide if she
>>> would benefit from a complete training
>>> > program or not. All three NFB centers have
>>> employment-related assistance and
>>> >
>>> > offer training in several specific areas. Have you been
>>> to an NFB center
>>> > yourself?
>>> >
>>> > Peter Donahue
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list"
>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>> Training Programs
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > She has the skills to take care of herself.
>>> > She needs job training.
>>> > Is there an NFB sponsored ATI program?
>>> > Thanks, Joshua
>>> >
>>> > On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Good morning everyone,
>>> >>
>>> >>     LWSB, formerly the Arkansas
>>> Enterprises for the Blind has had a long
>>> >> and
>>> >> checkered history concerning its treatment of the
>>> blind persons it claims
>>> >>
>>> >> to
>>> >> serve. The conditions you describe have existed
>>> there for many years. At
>>> >> one
>>> >> time it was accredited by the National
>>> Accreditation Council for Agencies
>>> >> Serving the Blind and Physically Handicapped (NAC.)
>>> Its former blind
>>> >> director was a key figure in NAC. NAC had a
>>> reputation for condoning
>>> >> practices that often led to blind persons being
>>> abused, mistreated, and
>>> >> in
>>> >> the case of sheltered workshops being paid less
>>> than the Federal minimum
>>> >> wage. NAC'S so-called "Standards of Accreditation"
>>> failed to address
>>> >> these
>>> >> issues. For example the standards called for the
>>> agency's grounds to be
>>> >> pleasant but did not require the sheltered
>>> workshops they accredited to
>>> >> pay
>>> >> all employees including the blind employees the
>>> Federal minimum wage.
>>> >>
>>> >>     In 1985 NAC held its annual
>>> meeting in Littlerock and the NFB was
>>> >> there
>>> >> to "Greet" them. Both the then Arkansas Enterprises
>>> for the Blind and the
>>> >> Arkansas School for the Blind were picketed by the
>>> NFB. While at AEB a
>>> >> number of AEB clients told us that there were
>>> problems and that it needed
>>> >>
>>> >> to
>>> >> be investigated. I know because Mary and I were on
>>> that picket line.
>>> >>
>>> >>     Judging from what I've read
>>> NAC for practical purposes is gone but
>>> >> vestiges of its evil doings remain at agencies such
>>> as LWSB. Amber here's
>>> >> hoping you will eventually attend an NFB training
>>> center. These centers
>>> >> are
>>> >> a big cut above anything else out there. All the
>>> best.
>>> >>
>>> >> Peter Donahue
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list"
>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:33 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>> Training Programs
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Amber,
>>> >> Well, my goodness. I'd have to say first that I
>>> commend your efforts in
>>> >> sticking to the facts or trying to. I think you did
>>> a good job for
>>> >> someone
>>> >> who did not have a good experience.  I've also
>>> heard bad rumors about it.
>>> >> Second, with all this publicity, I'm real surprised
>>> that
>>> >> LWSB continues to stay open and attracting the
>>> clients it does.
>>> >> Which program were you in? Independent living? or a
>>> job program?
>>> >>
>>> >> About rules, personally signing in and out doesn't
>>> bother me. You are in
>>> >> a
>>> >> training setting and with this litigious society,
>>> they need to account
>>> >> for
>>> >> everyone. What if there was an emergency? They need
>>> to know where
>>> >> everyone
>>> >> is. People go missing everyday and are never found.
>>> Youwouldn't want your
>>> >> parents or friends or family calling and them
>>> saying, oh, we do not know
>>> >> where your son is;  he may be on campus or
>>> not.
>>> >> The other thing about the no microwave or fridge
>>> would bother me. As a
>>> >> college student, I enjoyed having my own fridge in
>>> my room.
>>> >> It gave me some freedom to have a cold drink or
>>> cold snack when I wanted
>>> >> to.
>>> >> Since the cafeteria closed early at 7:30, this was
>>> definitely nice.
>>> >> That seems early to me given the fact that I eat
>>> late at home; between 7
>>> >> and
>>> >> 8pm.
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyway, Amber you are making a good personal
>>> decision to leave. So I wish
>>> >> you luck in your next decision to find decent
>>> training or whatever you
>>> >> need.
>>> >> I don't remember your intro to us, so I'm not sure
>>> if you are a current
>>> >> college student or recent grad.
>>> >> If you haven't finished school, I hope you can as
>>> it opens up more doors
>>> >> to
>>> >> you.
>>> >>
>>> >> Ashley
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Herrin, Amber R.
>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:36 PM
>>> >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list'
>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>> Training Programs
>>> >>
>>> >> Ian,
>>> >>
>>> >> I am currently at WSB, but am planning to leave on
>>> Friday.  Here is what
>>> >> I
>>> >> have experienced.  I will do my best to give
>>> only facts and not color
>>> >> those
>>> >> facts with my opinion, though before I begin, I
>>> will clearly state that
>>> >> if
>>> >> you are asking for an opinion as to whether or not
>>> one should attend this
>>> >> program in order to obtain a job, I would have to
>>> say no.  But I am not
>>> >> you
>>> >> or anyone else for that matter, and what I have
>>> experienced here has
>>> >> colored
>>> >> my opinion, and may not be very reliable.
>>> >>
>>> >> The facts:
>>> >>
>>> >> *Several students (including myself) have had
>>> valuables go missing.
>>> >> *The food does not seem to meet health and safety
>>> codes. (just one
>>> >> example-there are many-one evening we had chicken
>>> wings, and though the
>>> >> outside was hot, the inside was not.  I would
>>> not mention this, except
>>> >> this
>>> >> is not an isolated incident.)
>>> >> *The showers have light bulbs  (not protected
>>> by any kind of panels)
>>> >> inside
>>> >> the actual stall where water could be accidentally
>>> splashed.  I brought
>>> >> this
>>> >> up as a concern, so they put a cover over mine, but
>>> mine is not the only
>>> >> one
>>> >> that this is the case with (as confirmed by other
>>> clients.)
>>> >> *Despite several complaints from many clients, the
>>> building is full of
>>> >> bugs.
>>> >> They say that someone comes regularly to spray, but
>>> bugs were found even
>>> >> in
>>> >> my room, and I am a very clean person. (read as, do
>>> not leave food in
>>> >> uncealed containers or dishes with food still on
>>> them etc.)
>>> >> *Clients are unable to have microwaves or
>>> refrigerators in their rooms,
>>> >> and
>>> >> so are reduced to coolers full of ice or nothing at
>>> all except cafeteria
>>> >> food.  There are microwaves that physically
>>> exist, but they do not work
>>> >> very
>>> >> well.
>>> >>
>>> >> Now I can say that there are other things I could
>>> talk about, but they
>>> >> probably come down to personal preference and
>>> really are just normal
>>> >> inconveniences that one would encounter on any
>>> college dorm, except they
>>> >> are
>>> >> exaggerated because of the fact that everything is
>>> scaled down hugely.
>>> >> So
>>> >> while, for example, on most college campuses, you
>>> could go to a dining
>>> >> hall
>>> >> at almost any time of day, if you do not come to
>>> meals at the times
>>> >> specified, you don't eat meals.  I am sure
>>> that anyone can argue that
>>> >> when
>>> >> in school, you have to work with a particular
>>> schedule, and while this is
>>> >> true to some extent, I do take issue with the fact
>>> that we can't even
>>> >> have
>>> >> microwaves or refrigerators in our rooms so that we
>>> may maintain the
>>> >> schedules that are most comfortable for us.
>>> >>
>>> >> The last thing I mention is a large thing and may
>>> not affect anyone, but
>>> >> I
>>> >> feel I must mention it, because if I did not, I
>>> would be doing a great
>>> >> disservice to anyone considering attending this
>>> center.
>>> >>
>>> >> Two weeks ago this Friday, I was groped by an
>>> authority figure.  He was
>>> >> picking me up from the airport, and I was
>>> approaching the baggage claim
>>> >> with
>>> >> a female passenger from my flight.  This
>>> authority figure approached me
>>> >> without announcing himself, put his arm around my
>>> waist, hugged me to
>>> >> himself in a tight, possessive manner, and told the
>>> female passenger who
>>> >> had
>>> >> offered to walk with me that he "had it under
>>> control from there, but
>>> >> thanks."  After which, he looked down at me
>>> and said, "How was your trip,
>>> >> Punkin?  We've missed you!  We're so glad
>>> you're home!"
>>> >>
>>> >> This man did not announce himself to me in the
>>> beginning, should have
>>> >> been
>>> >> treating me professionally, is old enough to be my
>>> father, and possibly
>>> >> even
>>> >> my grandfather, has only interacted with me
>>> minimally since my arrival at
>>> >> the center, I'm 24, etc etc etc.  Basically,
>>> it was wayyy wayyyy beyond
>>> >> what
>>> >> one would call professional or even acceptable
>>> regardless of setting.
>>> >>
>>> >> I cannot tell you whether to attend this center;
>>> only you can decide that
>>> >> for yourself.  What I can tell you is that the
>>> man who did this to me was
>>> >> reported by me, and, I have discovered, has been
>>> reported multiple times
>>> >> by
>>> >> other females that he has violated in one way or
>>> another, and still holds
>>> >>
>>> >> a
>>> >> job here.  I believe there is something big
>>> going on here that I am
>>> >> unaware
>>> >> of, and am only glad to be leaving.
>>> >>
>>> >> I have met some truly wonderful people here, but
>>> regardless of that, I
>>> >> could
>>> >> never suggest that someone attend here.
>>> >>
>>> >> I hope this helps you make your decision.  If
>>> it does not, please know
>>> >> that
>>> >> I wish you all the best.
>>> >>
>>> >> Amber R. Herrin
>>> >> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
>>> >> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
>>> >> "It doesn't matter what you've heard
>>> >> Impossible is not a word
>>> >> It's just a reason
>>> >> For someone not to try
>>> >>
>>> >> Everybody's scared to death
>>> >> When they decide to take that step
>>> >> Out on the water
>>> >> It'll be alright
>>> >>
>>> >> Life is so much more
>>> >> Than what your eyes are seeing
>>> >> You will find your way
>>> >> If you keep believing"
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> >> Behalf
>>> >> Of Anmol Bhatia
>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:49 PM
>>> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list
>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>> Training Programs
>>> >>
>>> >> Ian,
>>> >> I have never attended LWSB as a trainny, but I used
>>> to go there on to
>>> >> stay
>>> >> during weekends in the 1990s. The only thing I can
>>> say is that LWSB has
>>> >> made
>>> >> alot of changes last couple of years and I would
>>> think about visiting
>>> >> there
>>> >> before deciding one way or the other. They do have
>>> an option to live off
>>> >> campus and as far as I am aware that there is not a
>>> sign in and sign out
>>> >> policy  after class time. Now they may have
>>> sign in and sign out policy
>>> >> during class time to keep count of attendance,
>>> however, this is know
>>> >> different signing in and signing out of work which
>>> everyone blind and
>>> >> sighted has to do.
>>> >> The IRS program is one of the best programs there
>>> and frankly since you
>>> >> have
>>> >> to be excepted for a job at one of the IRS offices,
>>> it is a guarantied
>>> >> employment after completing the program and they
>>> start at 45,000 or more.
>>> >> The food was not the greatest, however, as I said
>>> above LWSB now known as
>>> >> World Services for the Blind has made alot of
>>> changes under the new
>>> >> director
>>> >> and frankly I can not tell you how the food is now.
>>> As I said earlier, I
>>> >> would make a visit there before making any kind of
>>> decision.
>>> >>
>>> >> Anmol
>>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>>> make me sad. Perhaps
>>> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
>>> is vague, like a
>>> >> breeze
>>> >> among flowers.
>>> >> Hellen Keller
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> From: Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
>>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>> Training Programs
>>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 4:14 PM
>>> >>> Hi
>>> >>> I’m wondering if any of you have attended
>>> LWSB for one of their
>>> >>> employment training programs, or LWSB in
>>> general?
>>> >>> I’m looking into one of the IRS programs, and
>>> was reading the manual,
>>> >>> and it seems like a very strict and structured
>>> environment, even
>>> >>> though most of the participants are adults. For
>>> instance, you have to
>>> >>> sign out if you want to go somewhere and things
>>> like that. Have any of
>>> >>> you attended LWSB? I’d love to hear what your
>>> experiences were. Since
>>> >>> I’ve been to college, it sounds like it’s
>>> not as independent of an
>>> >>> environment.
>>> >>> Ian
>>> >>>
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