[nabs-l] New Computer

Beth thebluesisloose at gmail.com
Wed Jul 18 03:57:02 UTC 2012


Amber and Tyler,
	So true.  I'll need to take all this and absorb it so that 
there's something to kick Rehab's butt, if I say so myself, 
and get them to buy me the right computer so that I don't 
have to ask my parents or friends to purchase a computer for 
me.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:05:24 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Computer

Your scenarios make no sense at all.
Yes, apple developed Voiceover, Freedom Scientific developed 
Jaws.
Because FS is third party does not mean that the screen reader is 
going
to be irratic and it might just suddenly decide to send tentacles 
out
your USB port to gobble you up for lunch. Whether or not you get 
in
touch with apple or FS, or even GWMicro, they probably won't 
support a
ton of third-party programs. There are standards to make programs 
more
accessible, which is what Voiceover and windows readers use, so 
it's not
just some unknown deal. If your going to throw out scenarios, it 
really
helps if you have an understanding of the options and how things 
work
before you work them out, otherwise it just makes no sense and 
you're
left with the message you just popped out with.

Yes, You do get voiceover free on the MAC, but for $1400 I can 
buy an
amazing computer that isn't apple as well. I could also use NVDA, 
which
no, it's not installed by default, but it can very easily be 
installed
and you have not only the ability to buy a cheaper computer with
non-proprietary hardware, but you also have a free screenreader, 
which
compares and exceeds a lot of what voiceover can do. You mention
scenarios and accessibility, so here's a scenario for you.

You get an app on the mac, and vo+left/right doesn't work--what 
do you
do. Well, you can sort of automate things sometimes, assuming you 
can
access things through apple script, you might be able to do it 
with
macros, but this is a long shot. On windows you have more 
options--you
can use the object navigation or the jaws cursor, or you can 
write
scripts for the app itself, rather than some external slow clunky
applescript mess.

I'm not going to totally trash OSX--I totally 100% love the 
accessible
install, and I love some of the apps--nothing I've ever seen 
beats mail
on OSX. I just want to discourage bad information just for the 
ability
to spread mac love.
On 7/17/2012 7:44 PM, Herrin, Amber R. wrote:
 Beth,

 Something you could add is that it is easier for you to get 
computer and
 screen reader support because of the fact that it is integrated.

 Consider the scenario:

 Something, who knows what, pick your favorite (or least 
favorite, as I like
 to do) program, and assume that something won't work.

 You get in touch with the developer of the program, and they say 
they don't
 know whether or not their program is supported by our screen 
reader, and
 anyway, your screen reader is a third-party app, so who knows 
whose fault
 it really is?

 You call your screen reader of choice's tech support line, but, 
they to,
 have no ideas.  We're sorry it's broken, but we really can't be 
sure that
 every program is compatible with our screen reader.  If it's not 
a popular
 program, you can't be sure of anything.  Maybe we need someone 
to write
 scripts for it.

 Or:

 You discover that something doesn't work, so you call Apple.  
Now, Apple
 didn't develop this program, but they did develop the screen 
reader, so
 they kno0w how it should interact with the computer, whereas, 
there is no
 predicting what any given screen reader will do.

 It's cheaper to upgrade the operating system for apple's 
products, which
 means, whenever the operating system is upgraded, the screen 
reader is
 automatically upgraded.

 I could go on and on about this stuff.  If you'd like an actual
 conversation about it, please feel free to use information 
located in my
 signature.  I would be glad to talk Apple with you; I have iOs 
devices as
 well as a Mac Mini.

 HTH,

 Amber R. Herrin
 ATI Student in Training 2012
 World Services for the Blind
 Mobile: (513) 593-5855
 E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
 2811 Fair Park Boulevard
 Little Rock, AR 72204
 "It doesn't matter what you've heard
 Impossible is not a word
 It's just a reason
 For someone not to try

 Everybody's scared to death
 When they decide to take that step
 Out on the water
 It'll be alright

 Life is so much more
 Than what your eyes are seeing
 You will find your way
 If you keep believing"


 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:02 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Computer

 What would be a good case to plead? I would want to say that 
Voiceover
 doesn't require a license key and all this money to update every 
two
 minutes.  Well, maybe not every two minutes, but I want to know 
how I could
 plead a good case.  It is cheaper in the long run to purchase a 
Mac rather
 than a Windows PC.  Plus I could read the books I purchase on 
Itunes.  I
 need help convincing rehab that a Mac is the way to go for me 
and not the
 overly expensive and money-hungry Windows PC.  If you have any 
further
 ideas, just email me off list.
 Thanks.
 Beth

   ----- Original Message -----
 From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:38:51 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Computer

 Beth,
    Out here in Utah rehab's been known to buy macs if clients 
can plead a
 strong enough case to go that route instead of windows.  I might 
switch
 over eventually but, I love jaws, and although I also love my 
iPhone, the
 learning curve to switch from jaws to voiceover, on a desktop or 
laptop,
 seems rather steep to me right now.
    Best,
 Kirt

 On 7/16/12, Valerie Gibson <valandkayla at gmail.com> wrote:
   Yes mac has a word processor called text edit.  I don't think 
rehab deals
 with macs??hey don't in my state any way.

   Good Luck.
   On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:12 PM, Beth wrote:

   I'm in the market for a Mac.  I have a question about Macs.  
Is there a
 word processor for Mac?  Does it come with a Microsoft Word for 
Mac or
 something?  I'm wondering because I need a computer for college 
and rehab
 will probably be buying it when I give them my two cents. ...
 Anyway,
   that's all I have to say.
   Beth

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
   To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
   Date sent: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:31:07 -0500
   Subject: [nabs-l] New Computer

   Good evening everyone,

     If those of us in the market for new computers were gathered 
at the
 national office for a seminar of some kind perhaps Dr. Maurer 
would call
 us  "The New Computer Seminar." I have an HP Pavilion rig that 
has served
 me  well for 8 years and will probably run for a while longer. 
But when you
 know  the clock is ticking and you want an information 
processing
 powerhouse  it's  time to shop for a new computer.

     Last year we bought one for my wife quite unexpectedly. Now 
it's my
 turn. We've had great success with HP and Dell computers so I'll 
most
 likely  purchess one of those brands. Mary's desktop and my 
laptop (The
 "Brains"
   of
   my recording operation) is a Dell. Both machines are serving 
us well. My
 HP  has given me outstanding service too. If you use Windows as 
your
 primary  operating system and you choose either of those brands 
you can't
 go  wrong.

     A Mac machine is further in the  future most likely in the 
form of an
 iPhone, iPad, or a NetBook. Happy computer shopping.

   Peter Donahue

   ??o weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper.??
   Isaiah 54:17

   ??hile for our princes they prepare
   In caverns deep a burning snare,
   He shot from heaven a piercing ray,
   And the dark treachery brought to day.??
   Anonymous


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