[nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs

[Joshua Lester]

Wow!
Where did you get yours?
I'm interested in getting one.
Thanks, Joshua

On 7/17/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> I had one of those say wins and I think it broke or something. I may get
> another one someday.
> I do think it serves a purpose. If I'm pouring liquids for others, I do not
>
> want to touch it.
> I also think its useful for those who do not have the sensativity in their
> fingers to feel the liquid as well.
>
> All blindness centers will use adaptive tools and techniques to some extent.
>
> We have to in order to
> function. Ideally, a student would be shown ways to do the task with and
> without the device, so they can decide for themselves.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>
> I believe we need the stuff, but the say-when is something I don't
> think we need.
> They trained me to use it, but I have poured things into cups without
> problems, and I don't have the machine.
> I wish I had one, but I can't afford it.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 7/17/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> While NFB centers do not use all cooking adaptive technology, you make it
>> sound like blind cooks do not need any of it. Not true. Its my
>> understanding
>>
>> from students of nfb centers, they do indeed have braille or raised marks
>> on appliances. They also have some talking gadgets like a timer and
>> probably
>>
>> a thermometer. As for why do centers use adaptive technology versus not,
>> its
>>
>> an individual teaching style. Some believe we need more adaptive gadgets
>> than we really do.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:32 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>>
>> That's what's going on.
>> Their independence training was a scam, as well.
>> My friend told me that when she attended a center in her state, (not
>> NFB affiliated,) she was taught to cook, without the diferent adaptive
>> technology.
>> When I was at WSB, the stove had Braille, they had a "Say-When," (a
>> machine that you put on the cup, that beeps when the cup is full,)
>> etc.
>> If blind people can cook without that stuff, why then do they stress
>> the need for such machines?
>> Hmmm!
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 7/17/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I suspect that certain students or staff at WSB are ACB members and
>>> try to recruit, but that the WSB itself doesn't have a particular
>>> organizational position.
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 7/17/12, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Thank you Dave for pointing out that the Little Rock chapter of the NFB
>>>> meets at World Services for the Blind. Josh, if according to you they
>>>> try
>>>> so
>>>> hard to recruit students to the ACB, then why do they allow the NFB
>>>> meet
>>>> in
>>>> their building and the local chapter of the ACB does not meet there?
>>>>
>>>> Anmol
>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>> Perhaps
>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>>>> breeze
>>>> among flowers.
>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 12:25 PM
>>>>> I'm going to attend LCB, after
>>>>> graduating from college.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Hello Joshua and everyone,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     Let' sleet her decide if she
>>>>> would benefit from a complete training
>>>>> > program or not. All three NFB centers have
>>>>> employment-related assistance and
>>>>> >
>>>>> > offer training in several specific areas. Have you been
>>>>> to an NFB center
>>>>> > yourself?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Peter Donahue
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>> list"
>>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 AM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > She has the skills to take care of herself.
>>>>> > She needs job training.
>>>>> > Is there an NFB sponsored ATI program?
>>>>> > Thanks, Joshua
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> Good morning everyone,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>     LWSB, formerly the Arkansas
>>>>> Enterprises for the Blind has had a long
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> checkered history concerning its treatment of the
>>>>> blind persons it claims
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> serve. The conditions you describe have existed
>>>>> there for many years. At
>>>>> >> one
>>>>> >> time it was accredited by the National
>>>>> Accreditation Council for Agencies
>>>>> >> Serving the Blind and Physically Handicapped (NAC.)
>>>>> Its former blind
>>>>> >> director was a key figure in NAC. NAC had a
>>>>> reputation for condoning
>>>>> >> practices that often led to blind persons being
>>>>> abused, mistreated, and
>>>>> >> in
>>>>> >> the case of sheltered workshops being paid less
>>>>> than the Federal minimum
>>>>> >> wage. NAC'S so-called "Standards of Accreditation"
>>>>> failed to address
>>>>> >> these
>>>>> >> issues. For example the standards called for the
>>>>> agency's grounds to be
>>>>> >> pleasant but did not require the sheltered
>>>>> workshops they accredited to
>>>>> >> pay
>>>>> >> all employees including the blind employees the
>>>>> Federal minimum wage.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>     In 1985 NAC held its annual
>>>>> meeting in Littlerock and the NFB was
>>>>> >> there
>>>>> >> to "Greet" them. Both the then Arkansas Enterprises
>>>>> for the Blind and the
>>>>> >> Arkansas School for the Blind were picketed by the
>>>>> NFB. While at AEB a
>>>>> >> number of AEB clients told us that there were
>>>>> problems and that it needed
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> be investigated. I know because Mary and I were on
>>>>> that picket line.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>     Judging from what I've read
>>>>> NAC for practical purposes is gone but
>>>>> >> vestiges of its evil doings remain at agencies such
>>>>> as LWSB. Amber here's
>>>>> >> hoping you will eventually attend an NFB training
>>>>> center. These centers
>>>>> >> are
>>>>> >> a big cut above anything else out there. All the
>>>>> best.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Peter Donahue
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>> list"
>>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:33 PM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Amber,
>>>>> >> Well, my goodness. I'd have to say first that I
>>>>> commend your efforts in
>>>>> >> sticking to the facts or trying to. I think you did
>>>>> a good job for
>>>>> >> someone
>>>>> >> who did not have a good experience.  I've also
>>>>> heard bad rumors about it.
>>>>> >> Second, with all this publicity, I'm real surprised
>>>>> that
>>>>> >> LWSB continues to stay open and attracting the
>>>>> clients it does.
>>>>> >> Which program were you in? Independent living? or a
>>>>> job program?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> About rules, personally signing in and out doesn't
>>>>> bother me. You are in
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >> training setting and with this litigious society,
>>>>> they need to account
>>>>> >> for
>>>>> >> everyone. What if there was an emergency? They need
>>>>> to know where
>>>>> >> everyone
>>>>> >> is. People go missing everyday and are never found.
>>>>> Youwouldn't want your
>>>>> >> parents or friends or family calling and them
>>>>> saying, oh, we do not know
>>>>> >> where your son is;  he may be on campus or
>>>>> not.
>>>>> >> The other thing about the no microwave or fridge
>>>>> would bother me. As a
>>>>> >> college student, I enjoyed having my own fridge in
>>>>> my room.
>>>>> >> It gave me some freedom to have a cold drink or
>>>>> cold snack when I wanted
>>>>> >> to.
>>>>> >> Since the cafeteria closed early at 7:30, this was
>>>>> definitely nice.
>>>>> >> That seems early to me given the fact that I eat
>>>>> late at home; between 7
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> 8pm.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Anyway, Amber you are making a good personal
>>>>> decision to leave. So I wish
>>>>> >> you luck in your next decision to find decent
>>>>> training or whatever you
>>>>> >> need.
>>>>> >> I don't remember your intro to us, so I'm not sure
>>>>> if you are a current
>>>>> >> college student or recent grad.
>>>>> >> If you haven't finished school, I hope you can as
>>>>> it opens up more doors
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> you.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Ashley
>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> From: Herrin, Amber R.
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:36 PM
>>>>> >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>> list'
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Ian,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I am currently at WSB, but am planning to leave on
>>>>> Friday.  Here is what
>>>>> >> I
>>>>> >> have experienced.  I will do my best to give
>>>>> only facts and not color
>>>>> >> those
>>>>> >> facts with my opinion, though before I begin, I
>>>>> will clearly state that
>>>>> >> if
>>>>> >> you are asking for an opinion as to whether or not
>>>>> one should attend this
>>>>> >> program in order to obtain a job, I would have to
>>>>> say no.  But I am not
>>>>> >> you
>>>>> >> or anyone else for that matter, and what I have
>>>>> experienced here has
>>>>> >> colored
>>>>> >> my opinion, and may not be very reliable.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The facts:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *Several students (including myself) have had
>>>>> valuables go missing.
>>>>> >> *The food does not seem to meet health and safety
>>>>> codes. (just one
>>>>> >> example-there are many-one evening we had chicken
>>>>> wings, and though the
>>>>> >> outside was hot, the inside was not.  I would
>>>>> not mention this, except
>>>>> >> this
>>>>> >> is not an isolated incident.)
>>>>> >> *The showers have light bulbs  (not protected
>>>>> by any kind of panels)
>>>>> >> inside
>>>>> >> the actual stall where water could be accidentally
>>>>> splashed.  I brought
>>>>> >> this
>>>>> >> up as a concern, so they put a cover over mine, but
>>>>> mine is not the only
>>>>> >> one
>>>>> >> that this is the case with (as confirmed by other
>>>>> clients.)
>>>>> >> *Despite several complaints from many clients, the
>>>>> building is full of
>>>>> >> bugs.
>>>>> >> They say that someone comes regularly to spray, but
>>>>> bugs were found even
>>>>> >> in
>>>>> >> my room, and I am a very clean person. (read as, do
>>>>> not leave food in
>>>>> >> uncealed containers or dishes with food still on
>>>>> them etc.)
>>>>> >> *Clients are unable to have microwaves or
>>>>> refrigerators in their rooms,
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> so are reduced to coolers full of ice or nothing at
>>>>> all except cafeteria
>>>>> >> food.  There are microwaves that physically
>>>>> exist, but they do not work
>>>>> >> very
>>>>> >> well.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Now I can say that there are other things I could
>>>>> talk about, but they
>>>>> >> probably come down to personal preference and
>>>>> really are just normal
>>>>> >> inconveniences that one would encounter on any
>>>>> college dorm, except they
>>>>> >> are
>>>>> >> exaggerated because of the fact that everything is
>>>>> scaled down hugely.
>>>>> >> So
>>>>> >> while, for example, on most college campuses, you
>>>>> could go to a dining
>>>>> >> hall
>>>>> >> at almost any time of day, if you do not come to
>>>>> meals at the times
>>>>> >> specified, you don't eat meals.  I am sure
>>>>> that anyone can argue that
>>>>> >> when
>>>>> >> in school, you have to work with a particular
>>>>> schedule, and while this is
>>>>> >> true to some extent, I do take issue with the fact
>>>>> that we can't even
>>>>> >> have
>>>>> >> microwaves or refrigerators in our rooms so that we
>>>>> may maintain the
>>>>> >> schedules that are most comfortable for us.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The last thing I mention is a large thing and may
>>>>> not affect anyone, but
>>>>> >> I
>>>>> >> feel I must mention it, because if I did not, I
>>>>> would be doing a great
>>>>> >> disservice to anyone considering attending this
>>>>> center.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Two weeks ago this Friday, I was groped by an
>>>>> authority figure.  He was
>>>>> >> picking me up from the airport, and I was
>>>>> approaching the baggage claim
>>>>> >> with
>>>>> >> a female passenger from my flight.  This
>>>>> authority figure approached me
>>>>> >> without announcing himself, put his arm around my
>>>>> waist, hugged me to
>>>>> >> himself in a tight, possessive manner, and told the
>>>>> female passenger who
>>>>> >> had
>>>>> >> offered to walk with me that he "had it under
>>>>> control from there, but
>>>>> >> thanks."  After which, he looked down at me
>>>>> and said, "How was your trip,
>>>>> >> Punkin?  We've missed you!  We're so glad
>>>>> you're home!"
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> This man did not announce himself to me in the
>>>>> beginning, should have
>>>>> >> been
>>>>> >> treating me professionally, is old enough to be my
>>>>> father, and possibly
>>>>> >> even
>>>>> >> my grandfather, has only interacted with me
>>>>> minimally since my arrival at
>>>>> >> the center, I'm 24, etc etc etc.  Basically,
>>>>> it was wayyy wayyyy beyond
>>>>> >> what
>>>>> >> one would call professional or even acceptable
>>>>> regardless of setting.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I cannot tell you whether to attend this center;
>>>>> only you can decide that
>>>>> >> for yourself.  What I can tell you is that the
>>>>> man who did this to me was
>>>>> >> reported by me, and, I have discovered, has been
>>>>> reported multiple times
>>>>> >> by
>>>>> >> other females that he has violated in one way or
>>>>> another, and still holds
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >> job here.  I believe there is something big
>>>>> going on here that I am
>>>>> >> unaware
>>>>> >> of, and am only glad to be leaving.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I have met some truly wonderful people here, but
>>>>> regardless of that, I
>>>>> >> could
>>>>> >> never suggest that someone attend here.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I hope this helps you make your decision.  If
>>>>> it does not, please know
>>>>> >> that
>>>>> >> I wish you all the best.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Amber R. Herrin
>>>>> >> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
>>>>> >> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
>>>>> >> "It doesn't matter what you've heard
>>>>> >> Impossible is not a word
>>>>> >> It's just a reason
>>>>> >> For someone not to try
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Everybody's scared to death
>>>>> >> When they decide to take that step
>>>>> >> Out on the water
>>>>> >> It'll be alright
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Life is so much more
>>>>> >> Than what your eyes are seeing
>>>>> >> You will find your way
>>>>> >> If you keep believing"
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> >> Behalf
>>>>> >> Of Anmol Bhatia
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:49 PM
>>>>> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>> list
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Ian,
>>>>> >> I have never attended LWSB as a trainny, but I used
>>>>> to go there on to
>>>>> >> stay
>>>>> >> during weekends in the 1990s. The only thing I can
>>>>> say is that LWSB has
>>>>> >> made
>>>>> >> alot of changes last couple of years and I would
>>>>> think about visiting
>>>>> >> there
>>>>> >> before deciding one way or the other. They do have
>>>>> an option to live off
>>>>> >> campus and as far as I am aware that there is not a
>>>>> sign in and sign out
>>>>> >> policy  after class time. Now they may have
>>>>> sign in and sign out policy
>>>>> >> during class time to keep count of attendance,
>>>>> however, this is know
>>>>> >> different signing in and signing out of work which
>>>>> everyone blind and
>>>>> >> sighted has to do.
>>>>> >> The IRS program is one of the best programs there
>>>>> and frankly since you
>>>>> >> have
>>>>> >> to be excepted for a job at one of the IRS offices,
>>>>> it is a guarantied
>>>>> >> employment after completing the program and they
>>>>> start at 45,000 or more.
>>>>> >> The food was not the greatest, however, as I said
>>>>> above LWSB now known as
>>>>> >> World Services for the Blind has made alot of
>>>>> changes under the new
>>>>> >> director
>>>>> >> and frankly I can not tell you how the food is now.
>>>>> As I said earlier, I
>>>>> >> would make a visit there before making any kind of
>>>>> decision.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Anmol
>>>>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>>>>> make me sad. Perhaps
>>>>> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
>>>>> is vague, like a
>>>>> >> breeze
>>>>> >> among flowers.
>>>>> >> Hellen Keller
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> From: Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
>>>>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >>> Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 4:14 PM
>>>>> >>> Hi
>>>>> >>> I’m wondering if any of you have attended
>>>>> LWSB for one of their
>>>>> >>> employment training programs, or LWSB in
>>>>> general?
>>>>> >>> I’m looking into one of the IRS programs, and
>>>>> was reading the manual,
>>>>> >>> and it seems like a very strict and structured
>>>>> environment, even
>>>>> >>> though most of the participants are adults. For
>>>>> instance, you have to
>>>>> >>> sign out if you want to go somewhere and things
>>>>> like that. Have any of
>>>>> >>> you attended LWSB? I’d love to hear what your
>>>>> experiences were. Since
>>>>> >>> I’ve been to college, it sounds like it’s
>>>>> not as independent of an
>>>>> >>> environment.
>>>>> >>> Ian
>>>>> >>>
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