[nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
Joshua Lester
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Wed Jul 18 05:05:00 UTC 2012
I don't have issues with the sensitivity in my fingers, but it would
be beneficial for my mom, who has nerve damage due to diabetes.
She may lose her sight, in a few years, so I'm wanting one for her.
Blesings, Joshua
On 7/17/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> you just said say wins were not necessary; make up your mind. You get them
> via the catalogs. Check Independent living aids or APH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:21 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>
> Wow!
> Where did you get yours?
> I'm interested in getting one.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 7/17/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> I had one of those say wins and I think it broke or something. I may get
>> another one someday.
>> I do think it serves a purpose. If I'm pouring liquids for others, I do
>> not
>>
>> want to touch it.
>> I also think its useful for those who do not have the sensativity in
>> their
>> fingers to feel the liquid as well.
>>
>> All blindness centers will use adaptive tools and techniques to some
>> extent.
>>
>> We have to in order to
>> function. Ideally, a student would be shown ways to do the task with and
>> without the device, so they can decide for themselves.
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:50 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>>
>> I believe we need the stuff, but the say-when is something I don't
>> think we need.
>> They trained me to use it, but I have poured things into cups without
>> problems, and I don't have the machine.
>> I wish I had one, but I can't afford it.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 7/17/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> While NFB centers do not use all cooking adaptive technology, you make
>>> it
>>> sound like blind cooks do not need any of it. Not true. Its my
>>> understanding
>>>
>>> from students of nfb centers, they do indeed have braille or raised
>>> marks
>>> on appliances. They also have some talking gadgets like a timer and
>>> probably
>>>
>>> a thermometer. As for why do centers use adaptive technology versus not,
>>> its
>>>
>>> an individual teaching style. Some believe we need more adaptive gadgets
>>> than we really do.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:32 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>>>
>>> That's what's going on.
>>> Their independence training was a scam, as well.
>>> My friend told me that when she attended a center in her state, (not
>>> NFB affiliated,) she was taught to cook, without the diferent adaptive
>>> technology.
>>> When I was at WSB, the stove had Braille, they had a "Say-When," (a
>>> machine that you put on the cup, that beeps when the cup is full,)
>>> etc.
>>> If blind people can cook without that stuff, why then do they stress
>>> the need for such machines?
>>> Hmmm!
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 7/17/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I suspect that certain students or staff at WSB are ACB members and
>>>> try to recruit, but that the WSB itself doesn't have a particular
>>>> organizational position.
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>> On 7/17/12, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Thank you Dave for pointing out that the Little Rock chapter of the
>>>>> NFB
>>>>> meets at World Services for the Blind. Josh, if according to you they
>>>>> try
>>>>> so
>>>>> hard to recruit students to the ACB, then why do they allow the NFB
>>>>> meet
>>>>> in
>>>>> their building and the local chapter of the ACB does not meet there?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anmol
>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>>>>> breeze
>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 12:25 PM
>>>>>> I'm going to attend LCB, after
>>>>>> graduating from college.
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Hello Joshua and everyone,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Let' sleet her decide if she
>>>>>> would benefit from a complete training
>>>>>> > program or not. All three NFB centers have
>>>>>> employment-related assistance and
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > offer training in several specific areas. Have you been
>>>>>> to an NFB center
>>>>>> > yourself?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Peter Donahue
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> > From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>>> list"
>>>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 AM
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > She has the skills to take care of herself.
>>>>>> > She needs job training.
>>>>>> > Is there an NFB sponsored ATI program?
>>>>>> > Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >> Good morning everyone,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> LWSB, formerly the Arkansas
>>>>>> Enterprises for the Blind has had a long
>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>> >> checkered history concerning its treatment of the
>>>>>> blind persons it claims
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>> >> serve. The conditions you describe have existed
>>>>>> there for many years. At
>>>>>> >> one
>>>>>> >> time it was accredited by the National
>>>>>> Accreditation Council for Agencies
>>>>>> >> Serving the Blind and Physically Handicapped (NAC.)
>>>>>> Its former blind
>>>>>> >> director was a key figure in NAC. NAC had a
>>>>>> reputation for condoning
>>>>>> >> practices that often led to blind persons being
>>>>>> abused, mistreated, and
>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>> >> the case of sheltered workshops being paid less
>>>>>> than the Federal minimum
>>>>>> >> wage. NAC'S so-called "Standards of Accreditation"
>>>>>> failed to address
>>>>>> >> these
>>>>>> >> issues. For example the standards called for the
>>>>>> agency's grounds to be
>>>>>> >> pleasant but did not require the sheltered
>>>>>> workshops they accredited to
>>>>>> >> pay
>>>>>> >> all employees including the blind employees the
>>>>>> Federal minimum wage.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> In 1985 NAC held its annual
>>>>>> meeting in Littlerock and the NFB was
>>>>>> >> there
>>>>>> >> to "Greet" them. Both the then Arkansas Enterprises
>>>>>> for the Blind and the
>>>>>> >> Arkansas School for the Blind were picketed by the
>>>>>> NFB. While at AEB a
>>>>>> >> number of AEB clients told us that there were
>>>>>> problems and that it needed
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>> >> be investigated. I know because Mary and I were on
>>>>>> that picket line.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Judging from what I've read
>>>>>> NAC for practical purposes is gone but
>>>>>> >> vestiges of its evil doings remain at agencies such
>>>>>> as LWSB. Amber here's
>>>>>> >> hoping you will eventually attend an NFB training
>>>>>> center. These centers
>>>>>> >> are
>>>>>> >> a big cut above anything else out there. All the
>>>>>> best.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Peter Donahue
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>>> list"
>>>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:33 PM
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Amber,
>>>>>> >> Well, my goodness. I'd have to say first that I
>>>>>> commend your efforts in
>>>>>> >> sticking to the facts or trying to. I think you did
>>>>>> a good job for
>>>>>> >> someone
>>>>>> >> who did not have a good experience. I've also
>>>>>> heard bad rumors about it.
>>>>>> >> Second, with all this publicity, I'm real surprised
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> >> LWSB continues to stay open and attracting the
>>>>>> clients it does.
>>>>>> >> Which program were you in? Independent living? or a
>>>>>> job program?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> About rules, personally signing in and out doesn't
>>>>>> bother me. You are in
>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>> >> training setting and with this litigious society,
>>>>>> they need to account
>>>>>> >> for
>>>>>> >> everyone. What if there was an emergency? They need
>>>>>> to know where
>>>>>> >> everyone
>>>>>> >> is. People go missing everyday and are never found.
>>>>>> Youwouldn't want your
>>>>>> >> parents or friends or family calling and them
>>>>>> saying, oh, we do not know
>>>>>> >> where your son is; he may be on campus or
>>>>>> not.
>>>>>> >> The other thing about the no microwave or fridge
>>>>>> would bother me. As a
>>>>>> >> college student, I enjoyed having my own fridge in
>>>>>> my room.
>>>>>> >> It gave me some freedom to have a cold drink or
>>>>>> cold snack when I wanted
>>>>>> >> to.
>>>>>> >> Since the cafeteria closed early at 7:30, this was
>>>>>> definitely nice.
>>>>>> >> That seems early to me given the fact that I eat
>>>>>> late at home; between 7
>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>> >> 8pm.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Anyway, Amber you are making a good personal
>>>>>> decision to leave. So I wish
>>>>>> >> you luck in your next decision to find decent
>>>>>> training or whatever you
>>>>>> >> need.
>>>>>> >> I don't remember your intro to us, so I'm not sure
>>>>>> if you are a current
>>>>>> >> college student or recent grad.
>>>>>> >> If you haven't finished school, I hope you can as
>>>>>> it opens up more doors
>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>> >> you.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Ashley
>>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> >> From: Herrin, Amber R.
>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:36 PM
>>>>>> >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>>> list'
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Ian,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I am currently at WSB, but am planning to leave on
>>>>>> Friday. Here is what
>>>>>> >> I
>>>>>> >> have experienced. I will do my best to give
>>>>>> only facts and not color
>>>>>> >> those
>>>>>> >> facts with my opinion, though before I begin, I
>>>>>> will clearly state that
>>>>>> >> if
>>>>>> >> you are asking for an opinion as to whether or not
>>>>>> one should attend this
>>>>>> >> program in order to obtain a job, I would have to
>>>>>> say no. But I am not
>>>>>> >> you
>>>>>> >> or anyone else for that matter, and what I have
>>>>>> experienced here has
>>>>>> >> colored
>>>>>> >> my opinion, and may not be very reliable.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> The facts:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> *Several students (including myself) have had
>>>>>> valuables go missing.
>>>>>> >> *The food does not seem to meet health and safety
>>>>>> codes. (just one
>>>>>> >> example-there are many-one evening we had chicken
>>>>>> wings, and though the
>>>>>> >> outside was hot, the inside was not. I would
>>>>>> not mention this, except
>>>>>> >> this
>>>>>> >> is not an isolated incident.)
>>>>>> >> *The showers have light bulbs (not protected
>>>>>> by any kind of panels)
>>>>>> >> inside
>>>>>> >> the actual stall where water could be accidentally
>>>>>> splashed. I brought
>>>>>> >> this
>>>>>> >> up as a concern, so they put a cover over mine, but
>>>>>> mine is not the only
>>>>>> >> one
>>>>>> >> that this is the case with (as confirmed by other
>>>>>> clients.)
>>>>>> >> *Despite several complaints from many clients, the
>>>>>> building is full of
>>>>>> >> bugs.
>>>>>> >> They say that someone comes regularly to spray, but
>>>>>> bugs were found even
>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>> >> my room, and I am a very clean person. (read as, do
>>>>>> not leave food in
>>>>>> >> uncealed containers or dishes with food still on
>>>>>> them etc.)
>>>>>> >> *Clients are unable to have microwaves or
>>>>>> refrigerators in their rooms,
>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>> >> so are reduced to coolers full of ice or nothing at
>>>>>> all except cafeteria
>>>>>> >> food. There are microwaves that physically
>>>>>> exist, but they do not work
>>>>>> >> very
>>>>>> >> well.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Now I can say that there are other things I could
>>>>>> talk about, but they
>>>>>> >> probably come down to personal preference and
>>>>>> really are just normal
>>>>>> >> inconveniences that one would encounter on any
>>>>>> college dorm, except they
>>>>>> >> are
>>>>>> >> exaggerated because of the fact that everything is
>>>>>> scaled down hugely.
>>>>>> >> So
>>>>>> >> while, for example, on most college campuses, you
>>>>>> could go to a dining
>>>>>> >> hall
>>>>>> >> at almost any time of day, if you do not come to
>>>>>> meals at the times
>>>>>> >> specified, you don't eat meals. I am sure
>>>>>> that anyone can argue that
>>>>>> >> when
>>>>>> >> in school, you have to work with a particular
>>>>>> schedule, and while this is
>>>>>> >> true to some extent, I do take issue with the fact
>>>>>> that we can't even
>>>>>> >> have
>>>>>> >> microwaves or refrigerators in our rooms so that we
>>>>>> may maintain the
>>>>>> >> schedules that are most comfortable for us.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> The last thing I mention is a large thing and may
>>>>>> not affect anyone, but
>>>>>> >> I
>>>>>> >> feel I must mention it, because if I did not, I
>>>>>> would be doing a great
>>>>>> >> disservice to anyone considering attending this
>>>>>> center.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Two weeks ago this Friday, I was groped by an
>>>>>> authority figure. He was
>>>>>> >> picking me up from the airport, and I was
>>>>>> approaching the baggage claim
>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>> >> a female passenger from my flight. This
>>>>>> authority figure approached me
>>>>>> >> without announcing himself, put his arm around my
>>>>>> waist, hugged me to
>>>>>> >> himself in a tight, possessive manner, and told the
>>>>>> female passenger who
>>>>>> >> had
>>>>>> >> offered to walk with me that he "had it under
>>>>>> control from there, but
>>>>>> >> thanks." After which, he looked down at me
>>>>>> and said, "How was your trip,
>>>>>> >> Punkin? We've missed you! We're so glad
>>>>>> you're home!"
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> This man did not announce himself to me in the
>>>>>> beginning, should have
>>>>>> >> been
>>>>>> >> treating me professionally, is old enough to be my
>>>>>> father, and possibly
>>>>>> >> even
>>>>>> >> my grandfather, has only interacted with me
>>>>>> minimally since my arrival at
>>>>>> >> the center, I'm 24, etc etc etc. Basically,
>>>>>> it was wayyy wayyyy beyond
>>>>>> >> what
>>>>>> >> one would call professional or even acceptable
>>>>>> regardless of setting.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I cannot tell you whether to attend this center;
>>>>>> only you can decide that
>>>>>> >> for yourself. What I can tell you is that the
>>>>>> man who did this to me was
>>>>>> >> reported by me, and, I have discovered, has been
>>>>>> reported multiple times
>>>>>> >> by
>>>>>> >> other females that he has violated in one way or
>>>>>> another, and still holds
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>> >> job here. I believe there is something big
>>>>>> going on here that I am
>>>>>> >> unaware
>>>>>> >> of, and am only glad to be leaving.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I have met some truly wonderful people here, but
>>>>>> regardless of that, I
>>>>>> >> could
>>>>>> >> never suggest that someone attend here.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I hope this helps you make your decision. If
>>>>>> it does not, please know
>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>> >> I wish you all the best.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Amber R. Herrin
>>>>>> >> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
>>>>>> >> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
>>>>>> >> "It doesn't matter what you've heard
>>>>>> >> Impossible is not a word
>>>>>> >> It's just a reason
>>>>>> >> For someone not to try
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Everybody's scared to death
>>>>>> >> When they decide to take that step
>>>>>> >> Out on the water
>>>>>> >> It'll be alright
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Life is so much more
>>>>>> >> Than what your eyes are seeing
>>>>>> >> You will find your way
>>>>>> >> If you keep believing"
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> >> Behalf
>>>>>> >> Of Anmol Bhatia
>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:49 PM
>>>>>> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>>> list
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Ian,
>>>>>> >> I have never attended LWSB as a trainny, but I used
>>>>>> to go there on to
>>>>>> >> stay
>>>>>> >> during weekends in the 1990s. The only thing I can
>>>>>> say is that LWSB has
>>>>>> >> made
>>>>>> >> alot of changes last couple of years and I would
>>>>>> think about visiting
>>>>>> >> there
>>>>>> >> before deciding one way or the other. They do have
>>>>>> an option to live off
>>>>>> >> campus and as far as I am aware that there is not a
>>>>>> sign in and sign out
>>>>>> >> policy after class time. Now they may have
>>>>>> sign in and sign out policy
>>>>>> >> during class time to keep count of attendance,
>>>>>> however, this is know
>>>>>> >> different signing in and signing out of work which
>>>>>> everyone blind and
>>>>>> >> sighted has to do.
>>>>>> >> The IRS program is one of the best programs there
>>>>>> and frankly since you
>>>>>> >> have
>>>>>> >> to be excepted for a job at one of the IRS offices,
>>>>>> it is a guarantied
>>>>>> >> employment after completing the program and they
>>>>>> start at 45,000 or more.
>>>>>> >> The food was not the greatest, however, as I said
>>>>>> above LWSB now known as
>>>>>> >> World Services for the Blind has made alot of
>>>>>> changes under the new
>>>>>> >> director
>>>>>> >> and frankly I can not tell you how the food is now.
>>>>>> As I said earlier, I
>>>>>> >> would make a visit there before making any kind of
>>>>>> decision.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Anmol
>>>>>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>>>>>> make me sad. Perhaps
>>>>>> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
>>>>>> is vague, like a
>>>>>> >> breeze
>>>>>> >> among flowers.
>>>>>> >> Hellen Keller
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> From: Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> >>> Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 4:14 PM
>>>>>> >>> Hi
>>>>>> >>> I’m wondering if any of you have attended
>>>>>> LWSB for one of their
>>>>>> >>> employment training programs, or LWSB in
>>>>>> general?
>>>>>> >>> I’m looking into one of the IRS programs, and
>>>>>> was reading the manual,
>>>>>> >>> and it seems like a very strict and structured
>>>>>> environment, even
>>>>>> >>> though most of the participants are adults. For
>>>>>> instance, you have to
>>>>>> >>> sign out if you want to go somewhere and things
>>>>>> like that. Have any of
>>>>>> >>> you attended LWSB? I’d love to hear what your
>>>>>> experiences were. Since
>>>>>> >>> I’ve been to college, it sounds like it’s
>>>>>> not as independent of an
>>>>>> >>> environment.
>>>>>> >>> Ian
>>>>>> >>>
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