[nabs-l] ATI jobs was LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs

Wed Jul 18 07:06:16 UTC 2012

Hi,
Wow, that gave me something to think about. It brings to mind the fact
that having a college degree helps you get hired, regardless of
whether the job you're applying for is actually related to your field
of study or not. In that sense I can see how it would be helpful to
have the certification, even if it's not worth a whole lot.

On 7/18/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Here is my take on certifications. They are very useful in getting
> hired, not in knowing and being able to utilize skills taught to you.
> A certification can be as meaningless as a printed piece of paper
> stating that you have a certification in... uh... computer hardware
> just simply because you can push the power button on a computer and
> you can plug in a flash drive into the machine. Insane, right? But
> it's' true. All you have to put down on your resume is that you have a
> cert and agencies look and see that and go "wow"! Take, for instance,
> my current place of hire. They looked and saw that I had an Assistive
> Technology Certification from Worls Services for the Blind as well as
> a Freedom Scientific JAWS certification and an IC³ certification and
> they were so amazed they practically offered me a job before I even
> filled out a job application. Of course IC³ is out of date, the
> Freedom ScienceFiction one isn't worth a whole lot because it doesn't
> prepare an individual to teach and the piece of paper that World
> Services gives out is worth less than the paper it's printed on simply
> because the instructor didn't know basic commands and no skills on
> instruction were provided, however I got hired mostly because I went
> through the BS beurocratic process of obtaining these certifications.
> The people I work for are amazed when I say this, and they were under
> the impression that that many certifications meant that I had worked
> extremely hard and done something amazing. Well, let me tell you that
> I went through an Assistive Tech course at World Services that should
> have taken nine months in under four and during that time I also
> obtained my citizenship and did some other things as well that
> consumed some of my time. So, in four months I obtained three pieces
> of paper that, again, mean less and are worth less than the printed
> page they're on. But as a result, I am hired whereas before because of
> my lack of a degree and written qualifications I wasn't able to get so
> much as an interview, let alone a competitive job offer. And you can
> always make your own work if you are unable to find a specific ATI
> position. The college degree requirements are almost meaningless when
> looking for one of these jobs as because there is such a shortage,
> they'll take almost anyone. The more competitive edge you have, even
> with a meaningless certification, the better off you are and the
> easier it is to find meaningful employment.
>
> Thanks, and I hope this helps.
>
> On 7/18/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi Disiree,
>>
>> I actually believe the opposite is true. You say state centers are
>> shutting
>>
>> down. Its true due to budget cuts and schools for the blind too are
>> closing
>>
>> their doors. Its about saving money. As to the AT field, its growing.
>> There are many jobs out there. In fact, more than is supply for it.
>> I mean more jobs are still vacant due to lack of people. You can work
>> many
>> places. You can be your own company and contract with agencys, schools,
>> and
>>
>> private individuals to teach them. Other places are various lighthouses,
>> nonprofits serving the blind such as something like Society for the blind
>> in
>>
>> CA which has an opening or two now, and veterans administration
>> facilities.
>>
>> Also, you might be able to create a job at any number of senior
>> facilities
>> due to the rising aging population with visual problems. They will likely
>> use zoomtext or another magnifier, not jaws. but its still teaching AT.
>> I could see that happening, selling your skills to such a facility and
>> they
>>
>> create a job for you. You could work at an assistive living facility,
>> retirement community, or even a senior center in the community; I know in
>> my
>>
>> area they have computer classes for them; surely, some seniors have
>> visual
>> impairments who would benefit from assistive tech instruction. Many do
>> not
>> know it exists!
>>
>> The problem  I see is that just about anyone can call themselves a
>> technology instructor. There are no standards for it.
>> I wish there were though. So if you want to get training, you just go to
>> anyone and hope they can teach what they say
>> they can. If anyone has the assistive tech certification, I'd be
>> interested
>>
>> in hearing what you learned and how it worked. Not that I would teach AT
>> as
>>
>> a career, but I've thought about it as a side job.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Desiree Oudinot
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:11 AM
>> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students
>> mailing
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>>
>> Hi,
>> Well, that's interesting. I think I might look into this Access
>> Technology Institute, just to see what it offers. Now, don't anybody
>> take this the wrong way, but how useful is a certification in teaching
>> assistive technology? Are there many job openings for it? I understand
>> that most of these instructors work in training centers, whether
>> they're NFB centers or not, but the state centers, from what I've
>> heard and to a certain extent experienced personally, are shutting
>> down left and right, so I would imagine there would be a decline in
>> the demand for such instructors right there. Of course, the NFB
>> centers have no intention of closing, so there's always that. I don't
>> even know if ATI's would be used in schools. I would think you would
>> have to be a teacher of the visually impaired, which encompasses a lot
>> more than just the technological aspect of things. So what else is out
>> there for people who would want to go this route, and ultimately, is
>> it worth it?
>>
>> On 7/17/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> The Access Technology Institute is totally accessible, and in fact is
>>> ran by an individual that hs taught many in the field. Cathy has lots
>>> and lots of experience in the field and many textbooks in the various
>>> areas of assistive/adaptive technology. While I don't beloieve I would
>>> benefit from her training based off of what I've seen from her
>>> textbooks, I would recommend that anyone that wishes to go into the
>>> field to look into this training over WSB's training, even with their
>>> new instructor because of the difference in philosophy. The class at
>>> WSB is there to instruct the IRS students how to use the computers
>>> over a three to four week period because WSB is too cheap to hire a
>>> few instructors full-time to do this. Access Technology Institute
>>> concentrates on teaching you the technology, but they also focus on
>>> the teaching part, which is crucial to be an instructor of
>>> assistive/adaptive technology. Adverp, the professional organization
>>> for whatever they stand for, are looking at starting an ATI
>>> certification and are looking at ways to implement this, so we will
>>> hopefully be seeing some results in methodology and training options
>>> for people wishing to go into the field. This will most likely take a
>>> while to implement, but I personally can't wait to see more people
>>> going into the field with more experience both in the use of the
>>> technology but also in the ability to instruct others in the use of
>>> the technology.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On 7/17/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Joshua,
>>>> While NFB centers do not use all cooking adaptive technology, you make
>>>> it
>>>> sound like blind cooks do not need any of it. Not true. Its my
>>>> understanding
>>>>
>>>> from students of nfb centers, they do indeed have braille or raised
>>>> marks
>>>> on appliances. They also have some talking gadgets like a timer and
>>>> probably
>>>>
>>>> a thermometer. As for why do centers use adaptive technology versus
>>>> not,
>>>> its
>>>>
>>>> an individual teaching style. Some believe we need more adaptive
>>>> gadgets
>>>> than we really do.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:32 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>>>>
>>>> That's what's going on.
>>>> Their independence training was a scam, as well.
>>>> My friend told me that when she attended a center in her state, (not
>>>> NFB affiliated,) she was taught to cook, without the diferent adaptive
>>>> technology.
>>>> When I was at WSB, the stove had Braille, they had a "Say-When," (a
>>>> machine that you put on the cup, that beeps when the cup is full,)
>>>> etc.
>>>> If blind people can cook without that stuff, why then do they stress
>>>> the need for such machines?
>>>> Hmmm!
>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 7/17/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I suspect that certain students or staff at WSB are ACB members and
>>>>> try to recruit, but that the WSB itself doesn't have a particular
>>>>> organizational position.
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/17/12, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Thank you Dave for pointing out that the Little Rock chapter of the
>>>>>> NFB
>>>>>> meets at World Services for the Blind. Josh, if according to you they
>>>>>> try
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> hard to recruit students to the ACB, then why do they allow the NFB
>>>>>> meet
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> their building and the local chapter of the ACB does not meet there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anmol
>>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>>>>>> breeze
>>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 12:25 PM
>>>>>>> I'm going to attend LCB, after
>>>>>>> graduating from college.
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Hello Joshua and everyone,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >     Let' sleet her decide if she
>>>>>>> would benefit from a complete training
>>>>>>> > program or not. All three NFB centers have
>>>>>>> employment-related assistance and
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > offer training in several specific areas. Have you been
>>>>>>> to an NFB center
>>>>>>> > yourself?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Peter Donahue
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> > From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>>>> list"
>>>>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 AM
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > She has the skills to take care of herself.
>>>>>>> > She needs job training.
>>>>>>> > Is there an NFB sponsored ATI program?
>>>>>>> > Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> Good morning everyone,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>     LWSB, formerly the Arkansas
>>>>>>> Enterprises for the Blind has had a long
>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>> >> checkered history concerning its treatment of the
>>>>>>> blind persons it claims
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>> >> serve. The conditions you describe have existed
>>>>>>> there for many years. At
>>>>>>> >> one
>>>>>>> >> time it was accredited by the National
>>>>>>> Accreditation Council for Agencies
>>>>>>> >> Serving the Blind and Physically Handicapped (NAC.)
>>>>>>> Its former blind
>>>>>>> >> director was a key figure in NAC. NAC had a
>>>>>>> reputation for condoning
>>>>>>> >> practices that often led to blind persons being
>>>>>>> abused, mistreated, and
>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>> >> the case of sheltered workshops being paid less
>>>>>>> than the Federal minimum
>>>>>>> >> wage. NAC'S so-called "Standards of Accreditation"
>>>>>>> failed to address
>>>>>>> >> these
>>>>>>> >> issues. For example the standards called for the
>>>>>>> agency's grounds to be
>>>>>>> >> pleasant but did not require the sheltered
>>>>>>> workshops they accredited to
>>>>>>> >> pay
>>>>>>> >> all employees including the blind employees the
>>>>>>> Federal minimum wage.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>     In 1985 NAC held its annual
>>>>>>> meeting in Littlerock and the NFB was
>>>>>>> >> there
>>>>>>> >> to "Greet" them. Both the then Arkansas Enterprises
>>>>>>> for the Blind and the
>>>>>>> >> Arkansas School for the Blind were picketed by the
>>>>>>> NFB. While at AEB a
>>>>>>> >> number of AEB clients told us that there were
>>>>>>> problems and that it needed
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>> >> be investigated. I know because Mary and I were on
>>>>>>> that picket line.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>     Judging from what I've read
>>>>>>> NAC for practical purposes is gone but
>>>>>>> >> vestiges of its evil doings remain at agencies such
>>>>>>> as LWSB. Amber here's
>>>>>>> >> hoping you will eventually attend an NFB training
>>>>>>> center. These centers
>>>>>>> >> are
>>>>>>> >> a big cut above anything else out there. All the
>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>>>> list"
>>>>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:33 PM
>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Amber,
>>>>>>> >> Well, my goodness. I'd have to say first that I
>>>>>>> commend your efforts in
>>>>>>> >> sticking to the facts or trying to. I think you did
>>>>>>> a good job for
>>>>>>> >> someone
>>>>>>> >> who did not have a good experience.  I've also
>>>>>>> heard bad rumors about it.
>>>>>>> >> Second, with all this publicity, I'm real surprised
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> >> LWSB continues to stay open and attracting the
>>>>>>> clients it does.
>>>>>>> >> Which program were you in? Independent living? or a
>>>>>>> job program?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> About rules, personally signing in and out doesn't
>>>>>>> bother me. You are in
>>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>>> >> training setting and with this litigious society,
>>>>>>> they need to account
>>>>>>> >> for
>>>>>>> >> everyone. What if there was an emergency? They need
>>>>>>> to know where
>>>>>>> >> everyone
>>>>>>> >> is. People go missing everyday and are never found.
>>>>>>> Youwouldn't want your
>>>>>>> >> parents or friends or family calling and them
>>>>>>> saying, oh, we do not know
>>>>>>> >> where your son is;  he may be on campus or
>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>> >> The other thing about the no microwave or fridge
>>>>>>> would bother me. As a
>>>>>>> >> college student, I enjoyed having my own fridge in
>>>>>>> my room.
>>>>>>> >> It gave me some freedom to have a cold drink or
>>>>>>> cold snack when I wanted
>>>>>>> >> to.
>>>>>>> >> Since the cafeteria closed early at 7:30, this was
>>>>>>> definitely nice.
>>>>>>> >> That seems early to me given the fact that I eat
>>>>>>> late at home; between 7
>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>> >> 8pm.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Anyway, Amber you are making a good personal
>>>>>>> decision to leave. So I wish
>>>>>>> >> you luck in your next decision to find decent
>>>>>>> training or whatever you
>>>>>>> >> need.
>>>>>>> >> I don't remember your intro to us, so I'm not sure
>>>>>>> if you are a current
>>>>>>> >> college student or recent grad.
>>>>>>> >> If you haven't finished school, I hope you can as
>>>>>>> it opens up more doors
>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>> >> you.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Ashley
>>>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> >> From: Herrin, Amber R.
>>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:36 PM
>>>>>>> >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>>>> list'
>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Ian,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I am currently at WSB, but am planning to leave on
>>>>>>> Friday.  Here is what
>>>>>>> >> I
>>>>>>> >> have experienced.  I will do my best to give
>>>>>>> only facts and not color
>>>>>>> >> those
>>>>>>> >> facts with my opinion, though before I begin, I
>>>>>>> will clearly state that
>>>>>>> >> if
>>>>>>> >> you are asking for an opinion as to whether or not
>>>>>>> one should attend this
>>>>>>> >> program in order to obtain a job, I would have to
>>>>>>> say no.  But I am not
>>>>>>> >> you
>>>>>>> >> or anyone else for that matter, and what I have
>>>>>>> experienced here has
>>>>>>> >> colored
>>>>>>> >> my opinion, and may not be very reliable.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> The facts:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> *Several students (including myself) have had
>>>>>>> valuables go missing.
>>>>>>> >> *The food does not seem to meet health and safety
>>>>>>> codes. (just one
>>>>>>> >> example-there are many-one evening we had chicken
>>>>>>> wings, and though the
>>>>>>> >> outside was hot, the inside was not.  I would
>>>>>>> not mention this, except
>>>>>>> >> this
>>>>>>> >> is not an isolated incident.)
>>>>>>> >> *The showers have light bulbs  (not protected
>>>>>>> by any kind of panels)
>>>>>>> >> inside
>>>>>>> >> the actual stall where water could be accidentally
>>>>>>> splashed.  I brought
>>>>>>> >> this
>>>>>>> >> up as a concern, so they put a cover over mine, but
>>>>>>> mine is not the only
>>>>>>> >> one
>>>>>>> >> that this is the case with (as confirmed by other
>>>>>>> clients.)
>>>>>>> >> *Despite several complaints from many clients, the
>>>>>>> building is full of
>>>>>>> >> bugs.
>>>>>>> >> They say that someone comes regularly to spray, but
>>>>>>> bugs were found even
>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>> >> my room, and I am a very clean person. (read as, do
>>>>>>> not leave food in
>>>>>>> >> uncealed containers or dishes with food still on
>>>>>>> them etc.)
>>>>>>> >> *Clients are unable to have microwaves or
>>>>>>> refrigerators in their rooms,
>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>> >> so are reduced to coolers full of ice or nothing at
>>>>>>> all except cafeteria
>>>>>>> >> food.  There are microwaves that physically
>>>>>>> exist, but they do not work
>>>>>>> >> very
>>>>>>> >> well.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Now I can say that there are other things I could
>>>>>>> talk about, but they
>>>>>>> >> probably come down to personal preference and
>>>>>>> really are just normal
>>>>>>> >> inconveniences that one would encounter on any
>>>>>>> college dorm, except they
>>>>>>> >> are
>>>>>>> >> exaggerated because of the fact that everything is
>>>>>>> scaled down hugely.
>>>>>>> >> So
>>>>>>> >> while, for example, on most college campuses, you
>>>>>>> could go to a dining
>>>>>>> >> hall
>>>>>>> >> at almost any time of day, if you do not come to
>>>>>>> meals at the times
>>>>>>> >> specified, you don't eat meals.  I am sure
>>>>>>> that anyone can argue that
>>>>>>> >> when
>>>>>>> >> in school, you have to work with a particular
>>>>>>> schedule, and while this is
>>>>>>> >> true to some extent, I do take issue with the fact
>>>>>>> that we can't even
>>>>>>> >> have
>>>>>>> >> microwaves or refrigerators in our rooms so that we
>>>>>>> may maintain the
>>>>>>> >> schedules that are most comfortable for us.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> The last thing I mention is a large thing and may
>>>>>>> not affect anyone, but
>>>>>>> >> I
>>>>>>> >> feel I must mention it, because if I did not, I
>>>>>>> would be doing a great
>>>>>>> >> disservice to anyone considering attending this
>>>>>>> center.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Two weeks ago this Friday, I was groped by an
>>>>>>> authority figure.  He was
>>>>>>> >> picking me up from the airport, and I was
>>>>>>> approaching the baggage claim
>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>> >> a female passenger from my flight.  This
>>>>>>> authority figure approached me
>>>>>>> >> without announcing himself, put his arm around my
>>>>>>> waist, hugged me to
>>>>>>> >> himself in a tight, possessive manner, and told the
>>>>>>> female passenger who
>>>>>>> >> had
>>>>>>> >> offered to walk with me that he "had it under
>>>>>>> control from there, but
>>>>>>> >> thanks."  After which, he looked down at me
>>>>>>> and said, "How was your trip,
>>>>>>> >> Punkin?  We've missed you!  We're so glad
>>>>>>> you're home!"
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> This man did not announce himself to me in the
>>>>>>> beginning, should have
>>>>>>> >> been
>>>>>>> >> treating me professionally, is old enough to be my
>>>>>>> father, and possibly
>>>>>>> >> even
>>>>>>> >> my grandfather, has only interacted with me
>>>>>>> minimally since my arrival at
>>>>>>> >> the center, I'm 24, etc etc etc.  Basically,
>>>>>>> it was wayyy wayyyy beyond
>>>>>>> >> what
>>>>>>> >> one would call professional or even acceptable
>>>>>>> regardless of setting.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I cannot tell you whether to attend this center;
>>>>>>> only you can decide that
>>>>>>> >> for yourself.  What I can tell you is that the
>>>>>>> man who did this to me was
>>>>>>> >> reported by me, and, I have discovered, has been
>>>>>>> reported multiple times
>>>>>>> >> by
>>>>>>> >> other females that he has violated in one way or
>>>>>>> another, and still holds
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>>> >> job here.  I believe there is something big
>>>>>>> going on here that I am
>>>>>>> >> unaware
>>>>>>> >> of, and am only glad to be leaving.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I have met some truly wonderful people here, but
>>>>>>> regardless of that, I
>>>>>>> >> could
>>>>>>> >> never suggest that someone attend here.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I hope this helps you make your decision.  If
>>>>>>> it does not, please know
>>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>>> >> I wish you all the best.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Amber R. Herrin
>>>>>>> >> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
>>>>>>> >> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
>>>>>>> >> "It doesn't matter what you've heard
>>>>>>> >> Impossible is not a word
>>>>>>> >> It's just a reason
>>>>>>> >> For someone not to try
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Everybody's scared to death
>>>>>>> >> When they decide to take that step
>>>>>>> >> Out on the water
>>>>>>> >> It'll be alright
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Life is so much more
>>>>>>> >> Than what your eyes are seeing
>>>>>>> >> You will find your way
>>>>>>> >> If you keep believing"
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> >> Behalf
>>>>>>> >> Of Anmol Bhatia
>>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:49 PM
>>>>>>> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Ian,
>>>>>>> >> I have never attended LWSB as a trainny, but I used
>>>>>>> to go there on to
>>>>>>> >> stay
>>>>>>> >> during weekends in the 1990s. The only thing I can
>>>>>>> say is that LWSB has
>>>>>>> >> made
>>>>>>> >> alot of changes last couple of years and I would
>>>>>>> think about visiting
>>>>>>> >> there
>>>>>>> >> before deciding one way or the other. They do have
>>>>>>> an option to live off
>>>>>>> >> campus and as far as I am aware that there is not a
>>>>>>> sign in and sign out
>>>>>>> >> policy  after class time. Now they may have
>>>>>>> sign in and sign out policy
>>>>>>> >> during class time to keep count of attendance,
>>>>>>> however, this is know
>>>>>>> >> different signing in and signing out of work which
>>>>>>> everyone blind and
>>>>>>> >> sighted has to do.
>>>>>>> >> The IRS program is one of the best programs there
>>>>>>> and frankly since you
>>>>>>> >> have
>>>>>>> >> to be excepted for a job at one of the IRS offices,
>>>>>>> it is a guarantied
>>>>>>> >> employment after completing the program and they
>>>>>>> start at 45,000 or more.
>>>>>>> >> The food was not the greatest, however, as I said
>>>>>>> above LWSB now known as
>>>>>>> >> World Services for the Blind has made alot of
>>>>>>> changes under the new
>>>>>>> >> director
>>>>>>> >> and frankly I can not tell you how the food is now.
>>>>>>> As I said earlier, I
>>>>>>> >> would make a visit there before making any kind of
>>>>>>> decision.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Anmol
>>>>>>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>>>>>>> make me sad. Perhaps
>>>>>>> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
>>>>>>> is vague, like a
>>>>>>> >> breeze
>>>>>>> >> among flowers.
>>>>>>> >> Hellen Keller
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> From: Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>>>>> Training Programs
>>>>>>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> >>> Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 4:14 PM
>>>>>>> >>> Hi
>>>>>>> >>> I’m wondering if any of you have attended
>>>>>>> LWSB for one of their
>>>>>>> >>> employment training programs, or LWSB in
>>>>>>> general?
>>>>>>> >>> I’m looking into one of the IRS programs, and
>>>>>>> was reading the manual,
>>>>>>> >>> and it seems like a very strict and structured
>>>>>>> environment, even
>>>>>>> >>> though most of the participants are adults. For
>>>>>>> instance, you have to
>>>>>>> >>> sign out if you want to go somewhere and things
>>>>>>> like that. Have any of
>>>>>>> >>> you attended LWSB? I’d love to hear what your
>>>>>>> experiences were. Since
>>>>>>> >>> I’ve been to college, it sounds like it’s
>>>>>>> not as independent of an
>>>>>>> >>> environment.
>>>>>>> >>> Ian
>>>>>>> >>>
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