[nabs-l] meeting results and what to dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
Joshua Lester
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Sat Jul 21 09:07:23 UTC 2012
Great post!
I'd also recommend the CAP programs.
CAP stands for "Client Assistance Program."
Thanks, Joshua
On 7/21/12, William Grussenmeyer <wdg31415 at gmail.com> wrote:
> You sound stressed and afraid of your future. You sound afraid to be
> on your own. You can always walk away from rehab. The most they can
> do is ask yyou to return any items they purchased for you. College is
> certainly much less stressful than work and doesn't take as much time.
> When I went blind I didn't feel ready to get a job. I ignored
> department of rehab and enrolled in college as a 2nd bachelors, which
> really annoyed them because I all ready had a bachelors. I took only
> two or three classes each semester to get myself to become better at
> jaws and living blind. I finally did get a job the summer after my
> second year. But it was a job that I found for myself in the area I
> was studying. I barely made their 5 year or whatever cut off point
> where they close the case as a failure and ask for your things back.
> I was also dealing with the trauma of losing my vision. That really
> affected my rehab classes learning jaws and braille, etc. Sometimes,
> I couldn't sleep all night because I was terrified and then would pass
> out from exhaustion, sleep all day and miss my classes at society for
> the blind.
> My university I go to has been very good in providing me with
> notetakers, readers, research assistance, alternative media
> specialist, etc.
> You don't need to be proficient at computers or work with them wel.
> One of the students I know is terrible with Jaws and windows. The
> school simply provides her with a research assistant to help with
> downloading and looking for articles and skimming them to make sure
> its what she wants.
> Another student I know who goes there has bipolar but she is not
> blind. She still goes to the department of rehab. Her sisters and
> mother also have bipolar. Its a struggle for them. She even dropped
> out of one college and is now going to the college I am at.
> In the end it all comes down to finding people who will help you. I
> hate asking people for help and I was jealous of other people who are
> sighted and don't need help, but one day last semester when I was
> stressed out the department chair told me that when she went to
> graduate school things became so difficult she had to ask for a lot of
> help many times from professors and other students and she has no
> disability of any kind. Learning from others, getting help from
> others, and so forth is what everyone does to succeed.
> Department of rehab doesn't seem all that willing to help you do
> what you want. You should look else where -- at colleges with high
> amounts of services, FASFA loans, any friends or family, etc.
>
> --Bill
>
>
> On 7/21/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Maybe I should probably tell the counselors that. That and the
>> fact that the job assessment may not be adequate.
>> I don't believe that my ex had to go through that stuff, so there
>> you go. I'm thinking it would be nice if people actually did
>> help me with research. Thanks for the resources.
>> Beth
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:14:08 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>>
>> Beth,
>> University libraries have accessible databases where you can
>> download
>> articles in PDF or HTML for free if you are a student. There are
>> also
>> free ways to convert a PDF doc to a Word doc, such as sending it
>> to
>> convert at robobraille.org
>> If you decide to go back to school, I would be glad to help you
>> with
>> the research stuff and I'm sure others will as well. You can tell
>> rehab that you will work with blind mentors to learn how to
>> handle the
>> research issues that caused you to have to drop out the first
>> time.
>> "Mentoring" is a big buzzword in rehab, I am told.
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 7/20/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Sounds to me like you need Blio!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Brandon,
>> I have difficulties with papers and research and stuff.
>> Research and papers are harder for me to do because books
>> are out off the question and articles like on JSTOR and
>> other databases are in PDF format and can't be downloaded
>> without a steep price. Whuaft in the world! That's all
>> that got on my nerves in college.
>> Beth
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:40:49 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>> dotogetaworkingcomputerfor college
>>
>> Hello,
>> That's exactly the goal of rehab. To get you employed. Even if
>> it's at a
>> sheltered workshop. If you work for 6 months, they will close
>> your case.
>> Then they get refunded 75% of your cost from the federal
>> government.
>> That's why you have to be on top of everything, or they will
>> push
>> you
>> around.
>> May I ask, what difficulties were you having before in college?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Beth
>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:54 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do
>> togetaworkingcomputerfor college
>>
>> I could, and that's another idea. I'd go to the library and
>> play
>> with a Mac and do the on screen thingies with Voiceover. I
>> might
>> talk to Metro's access office sometime Monday. I think I'll do
>> all that you suggest, and I'll probably have to do it while
>> working. But the thing is that Rehab would rather tesft my
>> employability skills becauase they're just interested in getting
>> money out of me. I don't believe they want to see me succeed in
>> the employment I dream about. They don't think I can handle it
>> because of the bipolar, and if it weren't for mental issues, I'd
>> have the Mac in hand and I'd be writing this email on one. I'd
>> probablyget one-to-one training.
>> Beth
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:47:07 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to
>> getaworkingcomputerfor college
>>
>> Beth, Can you apply for a Pell grant? I don't think you need
>> rehab to do this.
>> As for the "proficiency" claims, doesn't someone in rehab
>> understand
>> that you can become more proficient at a technology through
>> practice
>> and training? Proficiency isn't something like blonde hair you
>> either
>> have or don't have when you're born; it's something you can
>> easily
>> build up on.
>> Since the Mac is accessible out of the box, could you possibly
>> go
>> to a
>> library, or back to CCB, or somewhere else where there is a
>> public
>> Mac, and teach yourself the basics of VoiceOver using the
>> on-screen
>> tutorials?
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Julie won't help. They won't get me a Mac because of
>> proficiency. They don't realize it's maintenance that's keeping
>> me from wanting a PC so much.
>> Beth
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:40:33 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get
>> aworkingcomputerfor college
>>
>> Beth, What were their reasons for not getting you a mac? Mabie
>> you should
>> talk to July Deeden. RJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>> workingcomputerfor college
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/20/2012 12:10 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>> I really don't know how the system works in the US so I'm
>> sorry
>> if I
>> sound completely ignorant, but why do you care so much about
>> what
>> rehab wants you to do? If you want to go to college can't you
>> apply to
>> schools just like anyone else?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the link even. They don't want me to have a Mac
>> because I'm
>> "not proficient." They are interpreting even a few keystrokes
>> as "no
>> proficiency." I don't know what to say or do at this point
>> because I
>> want to succeed in college and thi stupid work assessment
>> training, but
>> whaut they did to me, I don't know whether it should be
>> pointed
>> out or
>> avenged.
>> Beth
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:21:14 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>> workingcomputerfor college
>>
>> Hello,
>> If you graduated high school and got excepted into college,
>> you
>> should
>> just
>> go and tell them that you're going and you need this, this and
>> this in
>> order
>> to be independent. You need to have a technology assessment by
>> a
>> professional blind technology person and it's your right to
>> get
>> that
>> assessment. If your counselor doesn't get you the meeting with
>> the
>> adaptive
>> technology professionals, talk to their supervisor. Let the
>> supervisor
>> know
>> that your rehab counselor is keeping you from succeeding in
>> college and
>> if
>> they want you to pass your classes, you have got to have a
>> computer.
>> Because
>> you aren't someone with time to worry about a technology
>> failure, you
>> really
>> need an apple computer that will be dependable and has the
>> best
>> support
>> in
>> the world.
>> http://www.apple.com/why-mac/
>> This is why you need a mac, and you have not had the
>> experience
>> you want
>> in
>> college with your PC, so because you want the best, you need
>> to
>> have a
>> Mac.
>> First rule of rehab, they want you to do and show what's best
>> for you.
>> They
>> will only guide you if you let them. you must be sure, un
>> moving
>> and
>> firm
>> that this is what you want and there is nothing better you can
>> have,
>> even
>> though there may be things you're uncertain about. Confidence
>> is
>> the key
>> and
>> independence is the way.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Beth
>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:01 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>> working
>> computerfor college
>>
>> Hi. The meeting with rehab was unsuuccessful in doing
>> anything
>> but made me aware of stuff. They don't want me to have a Mac
>> because they don't feel I should have one. I understand they
>> don't buy macs in Colorado, but my concern about third party
>> apps
>> fell on deaf ears. They want me to do a "situational
>> assessment
>> and work adjustment training." They found an agency for me to
>> work at, and they're forcing me to go to mental health group
>> and
>> counseling therapies. Honestly, I'm getting tired of this. I
>> didn't think a mental issue would cause the employment to be
>> the
>> top priority. But I can't exactly go along with Rehab and
>> their
>> plans. They pretty much coerced me into doing the work
>> adjustment training, saying that I was "putting the cart
>> before
>> the horse" with college and all. But most sighted normal
>> people
>> go to college and get a major. What am I supposed to do?
>> Thanks,
>> Beth
>>
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