[nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a working computer for college
Littlefield, Tyler
tyler at tysdomain.com
Sat Jul 21 23:11:18 UTC 2012
I fixed the subject since it was driving me insane.
The balloons can be gotten to--usually they're on the system tray, if
you're using jaws use windows+b, or insert+f11 for a list.
Your problem with Viruses is well, your problem. Get Microsoft Security
Essentials and don't download and run a ton of stuff. Believe it or not,
it's possible to get a virus on the mac too. Actually, they're generally
the first to be hacked at the black-hat deal.
On 7/21/2012 4:51 PM, Beth wrote:
> Tyler,
> The balloons on a PC that say "click this balloon to fix the problem
> are the biggest issue for me and then, when people are actually trying
> to help me maintain the PC, like to keep viruses off of it, see the
> errors, I don't even realize they're there. Thanks to all those
> errors, my hard drive got fried.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:31:01 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results andwhatto
> dotogetaworking
> computerforcoll
> ege
>
> This is something I don't get. I don't think Beth needs a Mac, and I
> honestly think a lot of her problems are problems she's creating for
> herself. Maybe not intentionally, but "I can't do x because of y," sort
> of things.
>
> I also don't really agree with the "We need to do things without
> computers." If computers fail, we'll have way worse issues than how to
> finish a college paper. Just because Dr. Maurer may have had to chissle
> his papers on a slate doesn't mean we do now. Learn how to use the
> resources available and learn how to use them well.
> On 7/21/2012 1:11 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
> Ashley, Do you think Dr. Maurer had a computer when he went to law
> school? What about Dr. Tenbrook? I'm not saying it was easy in college
> by no means... but I got through it. Computers are great, but what
> happends when your computer doesn't work any longer? One has to learn
> how to compensate. I think all these technologies we have is great,
> but I think we depend on it a bit to much! I think this is something
> that should be explored with the leaders in the federation, is what
> was it like when their were no computers. RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and whatto
> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
>
> Hi Rj,
>
> I will Answer Beth's question later. Her situation is complex and she
> wants a mac for college; not only that, but she probably feels
> discouraged from it too.
> We all struggle with one thing or another in college. Its tough. I
> was overwelmed with the pace and amount of info in college often. I
> believe your tone is too harsh. We do not know her full situation,
> nor should we discourage her from college.
>
> Everyone struggles; and many people get on academic probation. If
> she wants to try again, I see no harm in it all. I also sympathize
> with her because I struggled with research too; all long complex
> articles. Most were pdf files not accessible, not to mention half the
> time the database was not very accessible. I ended up using readers
> mostly; they could skim for relevant info in these very lengthy
> articles. Oh and she said books were an issue. Its true that the
> library's vast amount of print periodicals and books are not
> accessible. Get a reader, i say. Most stuff is electronic, but some
> great info is not. I wanted to use any sources i could. Readers posed
> a schedule challenge though and were not always reliable. I
> definately found papers one of the more challenging aspects of college.
>
> So I urge you not to judge so much and our role is to show how stuff
> is done. Personally, I think she should not fight so much for the
> mac. I believe a windows pc will be fine for college. With all those
> issues with rehab, i'd accept a windows computer and go onto school
> and fight to get out of those assessments they want her to do.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
> Sent: Jul 21, 2012 11:39 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
> Beth, I have to do research for my doctorate program. I'm doing with
> out a
> mac. I'd like one, but I'm not in need of one right now. That's part of
> college! If you can't do research, and or papers, then you're not
> college
> material. You have these big dreams of being a social worker, but
> you're
> saying the work is difficult. I'll show you difficult. Try doing a
> doctorate
> level class RJ!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
>
> Brandon,
> I have difficulties with papers and research and stuff. Research and
> papers are harder for me to do because books are out off the
> question and
> articles like on JSTOR and other databases are in PDF format and
> can't be
> downloaded without a steep price. Whuaft in the world! That's all
> that
> got on my nerves in college.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:40:49 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
> dotogetaworkingcomputerfor college
>
> Hello,
> That's exactly the goal of rehab. To get you employed. Even if it's
> at a
> sheltered workshop. If you work for 6 months, they will close your
> case.
> Then they get refunded 75% of your cost from the federal government.
> That's why you have to be on top of everything, or they will push you
> around.
> May I ask, what difficulties were you having before in college?
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:54 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do
> togetaworkingcomputerfor college
>
> I could, and that's another idea. I'd go to the library and play
> with a Mac and do the on screen thingies with Voiceover. I might
> talk to Metro's access office sometime Monday. I think I'll do
> all that you suggest, and I'll probably have to do it while
> working. But the thing is that Rehab would rather tesft my
> employability skills becauase they're just interested in getting
> money out of me. I don't believe they want to see me succeed in
> the employment I dream about. They don't think I can handle it
> because of the bipolar, and if it weren't for mental issues, I'd
> have the Mac in hand and I'd be writing this email on one. I'd
> probablyget one-to-one training.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:47:07 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to
> getaworkingcomputerfor college
>
> Beth, Can you apply for a Pell grant? I don't think you need
> rehab to do this.
> As for the "proficiency" claims, doesn't someone in rehab
> understand
> that you can become more proficient at a technology through
> practice
> and training? Proficiency isn't something like blonde hair you
> either
> have or don't have when you're born; it's something you can
> easily
> build up on.
> Since the Mac is accessible out of the box, could you possibly go
> to a
> library, or back to CCB, or somewhere else where there is a
> public
> Mac, and teach yourself the basics of VoiceOver using the
> on-screen
> tutorials?
> Arielle
>
> On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Julie won't help. They won't get me a Mac because of
> proficiency. They don't realize it's maintenance that's keeping
> me from wanting a PC so much.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:40:33 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get
> aworkingcomputerfor college
>
> Beth, What were their reasons for not getting you a mac? Mabie
> you should
> talk to July Deeden. RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
> workingcomputerfor college
>
>
>
> On 7/20/2012 12:10 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
> I really don't know how the system works in the US so I'm sorry
> if I
> sound completely ignorant, but why do you care so much about
> what
> rehab wants you to do? If you want to go to college can't you
> apply to
> schools just like anyone else?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the link even. They don't want me to have a Mac
> because I'm
> "not proficient." They are interpreting even a few keystrokes
> as "no
> proficiency." I don't know what to say or do at this point
> because I
> want to succeed in college and thi stupid work assessment
> training, but
> whaut they did to me, I don't know whether it should be pointed
> out or
> avenged.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:21:14 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
> workingcomputerfor college
>
> Hello,
> If you graduated high school and got excepted into college, you
> should
> just
> go and tell them that you're going and you need this, this and
> this in
> order
> to be independent. You need to have a technology assessment by
> a
> professional blind technology person and it's your right to get
> that
> assessment. If your counselor doesn't get you the meeting with
> the
> adaptive
> technology professionals, talk to their supervisor. Let the
> supervisor
> know
> that your rehab counselor is keeping you from succeeding in
> college and
> if
> they want you to pass your classes, you have got to have a
> computer.
> Because
> you aren't someone with time to worry about a technology
> failure, you
> really
> need an apple computer that will be dependable and has the best
> support
> in
> the world.
> http://www.apple.com/why-mac/
> This is why you need a mac, and you have not had the experience
> you want
> in
> college with your PC, so because you want the best, you need to
> have a
> Mac.
> First rule of rehab, they want you to do and show what's best
> for you.
> They
> will only guide you if you let them. you must be sure, un
> moving
> and
> firm
> that this is what you want and there is nothing better you can
> have,
> even
> though there may be things you're uncertain about. Confidence
> is
> the key
> and
> independence is the way.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:01 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
> working
> computerfor college
>
> Hi. The meeting with rehab was unsuuccessful in doing anything
> but made me aware of stuff. They don't want me to have a Mac
> because they don't feel I should have one. I understand they
> don't buy macs in Colorado, but my concern about third party
> apps
> fell on deaf ears. They want me to do a "situational
> assessment
> and work adjustment training." They found an agency for me to
> work at, and they're forcing me to go to mental health group
> and
> counseling therapies. Honestly, I'm getting tired of this. I
> didn't think a mental issue would cause the employment to be
> the
> top priority. But I can't exactly go along with Rehab and
> their
> plans. They pretty much coerced me into doing the work
> adjustment training, saying that I was "putting the cart before
> the horse" with college and all. But most sighted normal
> people
> go to college and get a major. What am I supposed to do?
> Thanks,
> Beth
>
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