[nabs-l] meeting results and what todotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege

Sun Jul 29 17:26:21 UTC 2012

Hi Brandon,
That's an interesting question. I guess the issue is, What happens if
you only take 17 units per semester? Does this mean it will take you
longer to graduate than if you took 19 or 22 units?
If your education is being funded by rehab or something comparable and
they have a strict limit on how many semesters you can take to
graduate, you might be able to justify speeding up the process so that
you can graduate in the required time frame with the honors and
additional majors/minors that you are seeking.
However, while I agree that blind job applicants generally benefit
from being over-qualified, I don't think taking extra classes in fewer
semesters increases your qualifications. It speeds up the process of
getting the degrees, but I'd think you would be taking the same
classes anyway, regardless of whether you pack 20 units into 9
semesters or 15 units into 12, it's still 180 units.
I took honors, got a double major and managed to get it done in 9
semesters taking between 13 and 17 credits per semester. Some of my
friends "overloaded" by taking 18 or more per semester and I never
understood why they did that or what the advantage was. I liked
keeping myself busy in college but I also was glad to have a life and
a balanced sleep schedule.
Best,
Arielle

On 7/26/12, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I wonder if there is a way to justify taking more than the max units for
> college because I'm blind? I'm pretty sure it's no difficulty to justify
> taking less, but the California State University just put a cap at 17 units
>
> that is really being enforced and that extra 2 or 5 units really makes a
> difference for us honors folks.
> Perhaps that if I don't get the education from these heavy loads of classes,
>
> I will end up not being as marketable as my sighted counterparts. In order
> to compete I need to be more qualified for the job and know my subject more
>
> because many employers discount me because of my blindness. These classes
> will broaden my qualifications and increase my chances of employment.
>
> I'm just wondering if it's possible to make people believe I can do more
> rather than less because of my blindness?
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wasif, Zunaira
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:02 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what
> todotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
> Desiree
> If you really feel like you can't handle 3 classes your first semester,
> contact your state office and explain your particular situation.  Most
> policies have exceptions and you need to advocate for yourself.  The
> other thing you can do is take really easy classes this first semester.
> Zunaira
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 3:00 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
> Desiree,
> I would suggest that you go ahead and try taking 12 credit hours. The
> worst thing that could happen to you is that things don't work out and
> you have to drop out of college, but at least you will have tried your
> best. Pick aa major that you think you like, and don't necessarily take
> problematic classes on your first semester. I'm sure you will find
> enough resources around you that will help you to do well.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 25, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Maybe I should have been a little clearer. What I mean is, students
>> who only receive SSI and have no secondary funding sources such as
>> parents are going to have to take that 12 or more credits because
>> rehab is the only way they'll get through college without being buried
>
>> up to their heads in unnecessary debt. I'm one of those people. I have
>
>> enough stress in my life without worrying about debt, because if and
>> when it ever comes time for me to raise a family, I don't still want
>> to have to pay that off while trying to raise my kids. There's no
>> guarantee in this economy for employment. It has absolutely nothing to
>
>> do with blindness, just common sense, most people are struggling right
>
>> now with the way things are. I wouldn't expect my parents to help pay
>> for my education even if they could afford it, because I'm not that
>> selfish, nor do I expect handouts. But I do know that if rehab pays
>> for it, I'm not a special case, and they can put whatever rules in
>> place they need to to make it fair for everyone.
>> My counselor said that 12 credits is the minimum requirement. He said
>> that if I felt I could take more than that, more power to me. I guess
>> I'm just questioning if I can really jump in and start with 12
>> credits. So what I meant by the fact that sighted students can choose
>> is, if they want to start out by taking a class or two at a community
>> college, they can. Community colleges don't charge that much, and if
>> they have a job, they can most likely pay out of pocket. For someone
>> who only has SSI, even that's not practical. That's where we're
>> limited in our freedom of choice. We must take all or nothing, or
>> forge our own path that doesn't involve rehab.
>>
>> On 7/24/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> We have as much freedom to choose how many courses to take as do
>>> sighted people. The only time we are restricted to doing a full load
>>> is if someone like VR is paying for our tuition. Sighted students
>>> don't receive VR funding for their tuition and many scholarships and
>>> student loans that sighted people get require full-time status.
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 7/24/12, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Right. Everyone is different, and what seems like too much for one
>>>> person is child's play for another. If sighted people are given the
>>>> freedom to choose how many courses they can handle, why shouldn't
> we?
>>>>
>>>> On 7/24/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Ignosi,
>>>>> While 12 credits may not seem like much work for you, everyone is
>>>>> different.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had reading for every class and I thought it was a lot of work.
>>>>> I took that amount to be a full time student in most of my college
>>>>> years.
>>>>> It did not take everyone else much time; they skimmed readings; I
>>>>> listened to mine so could not take short cuts.
>>>>> I also felt the amount of material was a lot per class, especially
>>>>> in upper
>>>>>
>>>>> level classes.
>>>>> I wonder what school you went to. But I feel its misleading to say
>>>>> 12 credits isn't a lot of work.
>>>>> I took nine credits the last few semesters at community college; I
>>>>> finished
>>>>>
>>>>> my BA but wanted a writing certificate to add to my resume. I'm
>>>>> taking writing classes applicable to business like technical
>>>>> editing and business writing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a fair amount of home work particularly at the end of the
>>>>> semester including multiple papers.
>>>>> If one can only do 12 credits, that is okay; better to do what you
>>>>> can handle than let grades and mental health suffer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Ignasi Cambra
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:56 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>>>>> dotogetaworkingcomputerfor
>>>>>
>>>>> college
>>>>>
>>>>> 12 credits is the minimum requirement to be a full time student.
>>>>> That's less than what most people take per semester. Why do we need
>
>>>>> to exaggerate like this? 12 credits is really not much work!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 24, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Joshua Lester
>>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rehab isn't the only one that pays for 12 credit hours.
>>>>>> The Pell Grant won't cover you unless you have 12 credit hours.
>>>>>> It's overwhelming for anyone, not just you.
>>>>>> I hated my first year, because they wanted me to take all of these
>
>>>>>> developmental courses, (stuff I had in high school!) Then, they
>>>>>> told me that I needed to get a General Education certificate.
>>>>>> That would've taken me 2 years, which is okay, but I had to go
>>>>>> back to get a real degree!
>>>>>> I wasn't going to have that!
>>>>>> I found out that I could get a behavioral health degree, in order
>>>>>> to do what I wanted to do, (which was to counsel children and work
>
>>>>>> for VR.
>>>>>> I'm getting that degree, next May!
>>>>>> Had they told me of the Behavioral Health degree, when I started
>>>>>> in 2009, I'd be out of school, and probably at LCB!
>>>>>> Good grief!
>>>>>> That's Rehab for you!
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/24/12, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> Tyler, I can't be offended by your post. You don't know me, so
>>>>>>> you don't really know why it was that no one ever respected me.
>>>>>>> It's easier to assume that it was my own fault because you
>>>>>>> weren't there, so I'll let that slide. Also, what I meant about
>>>>>>> people being privileged was that some people don't go to college
>>>>>>> because they want to be there, they go on a sports scholarship,
>>>>>>> which in their minds gives them a license to be jerks. Some are
>>>>>>> pressured into picking a specific major by their parents, and the
> parents pay for them to go.
>>>>>>> They end up miserable. Some get other scholarships and just party
>
>>>>>>> their lives away. It's all one big game to them. All I'm saying
>>>>>>> is that the argument of college kids being more mature than high
>>>>>>> school kids doesn't work with me. As a general rule, you're going
>
>>>>>>> to have immature people everywhere you go, that's life. But I
>>>>>>> know that in college, people are being let out of their cages.
>>>>>>> They're roaring and stomping their way through campus, tearing it
>
>>>>>>> up and having a grand old time because it's the first time
>>>>>>> they've been away from home. No parents to tell them who they can
>
>>>>>>> and cannot be friends with. Nobody saying they can't order pizza
>>>>>>> every night. No one to stop them from sleeping with someone. It
>>>>>>> would make anybody crazy, I guess, if they didn't know how to get
>
>>>>>>> a grip on their desires, and let's face it, we live in a society
> that's centered on instant gratification.
>>>>>>> One thing I will say though was that in grade school, you really
>>>>>>> don't know how to advocate for yourself. When the teachers and
>>>>>>> kids were treating me horribly, what was a scared 7 or 8-year-old
>
>>>>>>> kid supposed to do about it? Yeah, I could have beaten those kids
>
>>>>>>> up and showed them blind people aren't helpless, but I was pretty
> passive back then.
>>>>>>> I'm not proud of that, but the past is the past.
>>>>>>> As for my high school days, after I got out of middle school I
>>>>>>> actually went to a school for the blind to complete my education.
>
>>>>>>> Oh, the stories I could tell! But I won't, because I don't think
>>>>>>> Google indexing them would be a good idea. What I will say though
>
>>>>>>> is that I know I suffered academically. I wasn't receiving the
>>>>>>> same education that I know my sighted peers were. So I feel very
>>>>>>> unprepared for college. I never heard of academic probation in my
>
>>>>>>> life until reading this thread, but it sure sounds scary. Sounds
>>>>>>> like the shady side of the law, or if not that, a sure way to
>>>>>>> fail every job interview as well. Also, rehab only pays for
>>>>>>> college if you take 12 credits worth of classes. I think that
>>>>>>> would probably be overwhelming to me. I don't want to fail and
> find out exactly what academic probation entails.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/24/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>>>>> Why don't you find out? Talk to your financial aid office at the
>
>>>>>>>> college you'll go to and talk to an academic advisor. They
>>>>>>>> should be able to tell you if you can qualify for pell grants
>>>>>>>> with your academic situation.
>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Beth
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 8:16 PM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do
>>>>>>>> togetaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know if I qualify because I'm on academic probation due
>>>>>>>> to the failures of previous times in college.  What happens to
>>>>>>>> people on academic probation and financial stuff with that sort
>>>>>>>> of thing?
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:53:44 -0500
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to
>>>>>>>> getaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, do you not qualify for Pell grants?
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Exactly my point.  I can't afford school with SSI only and the
>>>>>>>> loans aren't worth crap.  Even with Obama's little forgivenes
>>>>>>>> plan on loans, it's still not worth a lick to pay the darn
>>>>>>>> things back.
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:10:44 -0500
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get
>>>>>>>> aworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The basic answer to your question is yes, a person can just go.
>>>>>>>> But ...
>>>>>>>> if you are a client of rehab, have an approved plan, etc., then
>>>>>>>> they pay for stuff.  So, she may need to get rehab's approval
>>>>>>>> for financial reasons.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/20/2012 12:10 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>>>>>> I really don't know how the system works in the US so I'm sorry
>>>>>>>> if I sound completely ignorant, but why do you care so much
>>>>>>>> about what rehab wants you to do? If you want to go to college
>>>>>>>> can't you apply to schools just like anyone else?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the link even.  They don't want me to have a Mac
>>>>>>>> because I'm "not proficient."  They are interpreting even a few
>>>>>>>> keystrokes as "no proficiency."  I don't know what to say or do
>>>>>>>> at this point because I want to succeed in college and thi
>>>>>>>> stupid work assessment training, but whaut they did to me, I
>>>>>>>> don't know whether it should be pointed out or avenged.
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:21:14 -0700
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>>>>>> workingcomputerfor college
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>> If you graduated high school and got excepted into college, you
>>>>>>>> should just go and tell them that you're going and you need
>>>>>>>> this, this and this in order to be independent. You need to have
>
>>>>>>>> a technology assessment by a professional blind technology
>>>>>>>> person and it's your right to get that assessment. If your
>>>>>>>> counselor doesn't get you the meeting with the adaptive
>>>>>>>> technology professionals, talk to their supervisor. Let the
>>>>>>>> supervisor know that your rehab counselor is keeping you from
>>>>>>>> succeeding in college and if they want you to pass your classes,
>
>>>>>>>> you have got to have a computer. Because you aren't someone with
>
>>>>>>>> time to worry about a technology failure, you really need an
>>>>>>>> apple computer that will be dependable and has the best support
>>>>>>>> in the world.
>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/why-mac/
>>>>>>>> This is why you need a mac, and you have not had the experience
>>>>>>>> you want in college with your PC, so because you want the best,
>>>>>>>> you need to have a Mac.
>>>>>>>> First rule of rehab, they want you to do and show what's best
>>>>>>>> for you. They will only guide you if you let them. you must be
>>>>>>>> sure, un moving and firm that this is what you want and there is
>
>>>>>>>> nothing better you can have, even though there may be things
>>>>>>>> you're uncertain about. Confidence is the key and independence
>>>>>>>> is the way.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Beth
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:01 PM
>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>>>>>> working computerfor college
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi.  The meeting with rehab was unsuuccessful in doing anything
>>>>>>>> but made me aware of stuff.  They don't want me to have a Mac
>>>>>>>> because they don't feel I should have one.  I understand they
>>>>>>>> don't buy macs in Colorado, but my concern about third party
>>>>>>>> apps fell on deaf ears.  They want me to do a "situational
>>>>>>>> assessment and work adjustment training."  They found an agency
>>>>>>>> for me to work at, and they're forcing me to go to mental health
>
>>>>>>>> group and counseling therapies.  Honestly, I'm getting tired of
>>>>>>>> this.  I didn't think a mental issue would cause the employment
>>>>>>>> to be the top priority.  But I can't exactly go along with Rehab
>
>>>>>>>> and their plans.  They pretty much coerced me into doing the
>>>>>>>> work adjustment training, saying that I was "putting the cart
>>>>>>>> before the horse" with college and all.  But most sighted normal
>
>>>>>>>> people go to college and get a major.  What am I supposed to do?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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