[nabs-l] Guide Dogs was Re: Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
Joshua Lester
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Fri Mar 23 04:50:29 UTC 2012
I have to stay, closer to home, due to my mom's health.
She's diabetic, and has lost a leg, due to diabetes.
I have to be close by, in case, (God forbid,) something happens to her.
Blessings, Joshua
On 3/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> I am not trying to be rude or condescending, but there is something that I
> need to know. Is it that all other guide dog schools are to difficult to get
> to for some reason, or is it that you just don't want to travel that far
> from home? And, this is not just about the guide dog schools; this is about
> everything.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs was Re: Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>
>
> It's closer to Arkansas, (where I live.)
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 3/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Is that the only school that you would consider?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>> I'm allergic to cats, dogs, and horses.
>> I'm not sure, if Guiding Eyes trains poodles.
>> That's an interesting question, and those of you, that received your
>> dogs from there, may be able to answer that.
>> If so, I might be on the lookout for one.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 3/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> No dog is 100% allergy causing free, but most people who are allergic to
>>> dogs are not allergic to poodles or labordoodles. That being said, I
>>> would
>>> like to know how many people are allergic to dogs.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, with the guide dog, you never know, if the person you're dating
>>> has an allergy to dogs.
>>> That's why I avoid them, because of my allergies.
>>> I don't know, if they train dogs, that are nonallergenic.
>>> Nicole, do you know if they do?
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 3/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm not saying that this is a reason to get one, and I know that they
>>>> are
>>>> not for everyone, and, if you tell the training center that you want one
>>>> for
>>>> this reason, they're probably not going to accept you, but guide dogs
>>>> can
>>>> sometimes be a way to break the ice in awkward situations. However,
>>>> there
>>>> is
>>>> of course a flip side to that. Some people who have guide dogs don't
>>>> like
>>>> it
>>>> when people talk to them because of their dogs. .
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mary Fernandez" <trillian551 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 6:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> This is a really fantastic topic for a number of reasons. First,
>>>> dating is hard as a blind person. But dating can also be hard for
>>>> someone who is overweight, someone who is well below average height,
>>>> someone who has trouble hearing, etc. In short, dating can be hard for
>>>> anyone who isn't simply average, someone who doesn't fall squarely in
>>>> the fattest part of the bell curve when we look at populations. Even
>>>> geniuses have trouble dating, I'm friends with some, and it's a true
>>>> story.
>>>> I was having a conversation about dating with a very good friend of
>>>> mine a few days ago. And one of the things we both agreed upon, is
>>>> that one of the challenges of dating in the typical ways that most
>>>> people do, is that most sighted people see you as an asexual being,
>>>> who needs help, and who cannot be viewed as datable. Which, like
>>>> Arielle said, makes it hard for blind people to go to bars and other
>>>> hang out places where singles gather and just pick up someone and go
>>>> on a date. We have to carry a heavier burden by making ourselves even
>>>> more accessible than most people, and this might play havoc with our
>>>> self-esteem. The courting sequence usually goes something like this:
>>>> Man and woman sit at bar. Man and woman makes eye-contact.
>>>> If man and woman give each other physical cue, man will usually,
>>>> though not always, make a comment which will spark off conversation.
>>>> If woman is interested, about 2 minutes into the conversation she will
>>>> angle herself toward the man. If conversation continues to be
>>>> stimulating, and man and woman are getting a deeper connection, casual
>>>> touching might begin, and a second date might be requested.
>>>> Now, lets look at this from a blind perspective. Man or woman walk
>>>> into bar, after using cane successfully, fending off unwanted requests
>>>> to be helped, man or woman find barstool. After being observed to
>>>> enter by most of the bar, observers' mis-conceptions about blindness
>>>> will have been activated. And our shot of having this normal courting
>>>> sequence is nipped at the bud. Of course, a person who wasn't there
>>>> before hand might come in, look at your gorgeous skirt and be
>>>> instantly drawn in. Which is why, I like to arrive early at parties
>>>> and spark up a conversation with new comers. When they find out your
>>>> blind however, all bets are off.
>>>> This is not to say that blind individuals cannot and should not have a
>>>> dating experience. On the contrary, I have been fairly successful in
>>>> dating along with many other blind women and men I know. Like Arielle
>>>> and others mentioned, whether someone is sighted or blind should be
>>>> irrelevant in who you choose to spend your time with and consider as a
>>>> potential romantic partner. there are so many other things that come
>>>> into play. What's important to you? Values, humor, kindness,
>>>> intelligence, height, hair color, philosophical view, political
>>>> parties? Could you truly date a democrat with all those liberal ideas
>>>> they have? Or God forbid you find a blind conservative, but decide to
>>>> stay with them because it's more comfortable. Relationships are so
>>>> incredibly hard and take a lot of work .You learn a lot from each
>>>> other. But hopefully, most of the time you enjoy each other
>>>> thoroughly, know what your flaws are and continue to like the person
>>>> despite them, and have a stronger basis for that relationship than
>>>> mere visual acuity.
>>>> So, basically, yes, if online dating is something you want to
>>>> explore, than yes, do it! If the single chess club is something your
>>>> into, go for it! If a singles book club, (which is totally something
>>>> I'm looking into right now), sounds interesting, then by all means. Be
>>>> creative, don't limit yourself to national convention or the local
>>>> bar,, try speed dating! Trivia night! Just going to house parties. But
>>>> most of all, be comfortable with yourself, don't go looking for a
>>>> sighted date or a blind date for validation. Because that never ends
>>>> well. The truth of the matter is that even those of us who are
>>>> completely comfortable with their blindness, who lead, full happy and
>>>> fulfilled life, can be put down sometimes by being perceived by the
>>>> sighted world as somehow lacking, when we know we are not. But, you do
>>>> learn that you really are ok, and that dating is just one more thing
>>>> we have to do using alternative skills. I know, from the experience of
>>>> friends, that some sighted people like to date blind people, because
>>>> it makes them feel useful. It validates their self-worth, since they
>>>> have someone they can help all the time. And I know blind people who
>>>> think that dating someone who is sighted is somehow a superior
>>>> experience. I've done both, and speaking from a woman's perspective.
>>>> All men have issues. But you can find some truly golden ones among
>>>> them all.
>>>> A long post of mine can never be complete without my usual reference
>>>> to fashion and looking good. Dress to bring out the best features of
>>>> yourself. Even at my worse jeans, shirt and sneakers college chic,
>>>> when I wake up 10 minutes before class, I always wear color. Because I
>>>> have a nice skin tone, and color is my friend. Look nice, get some
>>>> delicious lotion or perfume, and go get em.
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>> On 3/22/12, Doug Oliver <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I'm gonna way in on this topic.
>>>>> My fiancee is actually sited and I'm blind, she's been around blind
>>>>> people
>>>>> growing up, so she's very much accustomed to dating a blind person.
>>>>> We've met in person twice and it's been great.
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ashley" <cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:42 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> Like some of the people who have posted already, I have had my own
>>>>> experiences with dating, as well as simply meeting people online. As a
>>>>> matter of fact, my current boyfriend is someone I met online, and he
>>>>> is blind as well. We have been dating a little over a year now, and I
>>>>> have also had the chance to meet him in person. I can say that some of
>>>>> what we've been through, especially when we met, was both good and
>>>>> bad, and even though he is blind, it was a little more disastrous
>>>>> because of his family who are sighted. Well the first time we actually
>>>>> got to "see" each other was through a webcam, and both families were
>>>>> present, not only for discriptive purposes but also because of us
>>>>> being long distance, and it was the only way the two families could
>>>>> meet. About 6 months later I got to visit him in person, and that was
>>>>> a little weird because he lives in another country, and a part of
>>>>> another culture, and that in itself brings its own barriers. I
>>>>> actually stayed at his house with his family, and I imagine it was
>>>>> hard on them because they've never dealt with another blind person
>>>>> besides him, and he is not as independent as I am. I have also met
>>>>> sighted people online, but I did not meet them through dating sites. I
>>>>> met them through pages we both visit, (blogs, etc), and in my opinion,
>>>>> that's better because you're actually meeting people you have things
>>>>> in common with, regardless of whether you date or not, and like most
>>>>> people have said already, one of the main things to consider when
>>>>> dating someone, blind or sighted, is what kinds of things you share in
>>>>> common with the other person. I personally have never dated a sighted
>>>>> person, but I have made some interesting friends online who are
>>>>> sighted. Some know I'm blind, and some do not, but not because I
>>>>> haven't wanted to tell them. I don't meet these people in person
>>>>> mainly because most of them are not from the U.S. and therefore it
>>>>> really hasn't come up. Besides, I'm not as close to them, and we
>>>>> mainly talk about music, which is what i have in common with most of
>>>>> these people I meet anyway. I have also met blind friends online, and
>>>>> basically the same goes for them. So as most people have already said,
>>>>> I don't think it's that much different dating a sighted person from a
>>>>> blind person. A blind person might be a little more understanding
>>>>> considering they go through some of the same things. But on the other
>>>>> side, that may not always be the case, if the person isn't completely
>>>>> adjusted to their blindness, or they have been with their family their
>>>>> entire life, and don't really understand the independence issue such
>>>>> as in my case. So I think dating both blind and sighted people can
>>>>> have their ups and downs, and it's just a matter of knowing how to
>>>>> handle each situation as it comes. Good luck.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/22/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I have a little experience with online dating, but not much. I was on
>>>>>> a dating site for a year or so and chatted with a few guys but didn't
>>>>>> find anyone I actually wanted to meet in person. I have a lot of
>>>>>> friends (sighted and blind) who do online dating and I've heard the
>>>>>> whole gamut, from happily-ever-after marriages to disastrous first
>>>>>> dates and a few people who walked away after my friend's blindness was
>>>>>> revealed online. It really doesn't hurt to try it. If you do find
>>>>>> someone you like and want to meet, it's best to meet them in a public
>>>>>> place. But there's nothing dangerous about just putting a profile up
>>>>>> and seeing what happens.
>>>>>> Some dating sites are free and others charge a fee for joining.
>>>>>> Interestingly, the site I used was free, and when I was visiting my
>>>>>> sister and her roommate they were checking out one of the paid sites.
>>>>>> I told them about the free site I was on and they looked at it and
>>>>>> said they thought the guys on the free site were a lot more attractive
>>>>>> and appealing than the guys on the paid one. So it's possible the
>>>>>> people you might meet on a free site are less "desperate" and hence
>>>>>> are better catches.
>>>>>> I'm sure there's a lot of debate about when to reveal blindness during
>>>>>> an online dating encounter. Some people put it in their profiles,
>>>>>> others wait until the first meeting and still others reveal it at some
>>>>>> point in the middle. I'd tend to treat it like a job interview and
>>>>>> reveal blindness after I've connected with someone online but before
>>>>>> we meet in person so they aren't totally shocked or freaked out when
>>>>>> they see me. Unfortunately rejections due to blindness can happen at
>>>>>> any point in the process. You'll have to decide whether you would
>>>>>> prefer to take that risk earlier on or to give them a chance to get to
>>>>>> know you before they learn about your blindness.
>>>>>> Regarding dating blind vs. sighted people: Like many of us I have done
>>>>>> both. I never consciously decided that I wanted to date a blind person
>>>>>> or a sighted person, and I would not recommend that line of thinking.
>>>>>> I simply dated guys with whom I felt a connection and who felt the
>>>>>> same way toward me, regardless of whether or not they were blind. I
>>>>>> will say that in some ways establishing the initial relationship was
>>>>>> easier with blind guys, because I didn't have to wonder about what
>>>>>> nonverbal signals they were sending or how they might interpret my
>>>>>> nonverbal signals. However, when I try to compare the relationship I
>>>>>> have had with my sighted boyfriend over the past three years with the
>>>>>> other relationships I have had with blind guys, I really can't think
>>>>>> of any major differences. I do think that regardless of blindness
>>>>>> status, it's important for you and your partner to share interests and
>>>>>> passions in common. NFB and blindness are passions that many of us
>>>>>> share, and they help bring many blind couples together. However, there
>>>>>> are other interests or passions you may share with sighted folks
>>>>>> around you, and finding a partner who shares one of those passions
>>>>>> with you can be similarly rewarding. In other words, instead of
>>>>>> deciding who to date based on whether they are sighted or blind, I
>>>>>> think it's more helpful to choose based on how much you share in
>>>>>> common with them. I know that for us blind folks it can be hard to
>>>>>> meet and connect with people at bars or large gatherings like singles'
>>>>>> parties. But if you can find communities of people that share your
>>>>>> interests-whether that be your local NFB chapter or student division,
>>>>>> classes, church groups or clubs you might be in-that's a much better
>>>>>> way to build lasting connections.
>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Oops, I missed a point: I wouldn't go to an NFB convention simply for
>>>>>>> the dating scene. I'm sure relationships do develop at things like
>>>>>>> that, however most people are going to be preoccupied with general
>>>>>>> sessions, exhibits, orientation around a huge massive hotel, etc etc
>>>>>>> to really pay attention to who's around them for dating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello Robin,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or you could just go ahead and do the online dating thing and learn
>>>>>>>> from it. It has turned out well for some, and not so well for
>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>> As for the sighted vs. blind thing, I would ask what you want. Not
>>>>>>>> dating a blind person simply because you think you'll look cool and
>>>>>>>> more independent for dating a sighted person will limit your
>>>>>>>> options,
>>>>>>>> just like not dating a sighted person because you're afraid of being
>>>>>>>> rejected is crazy as well. We're all individuals. Many blind people
>>>>>>>> have underlying disabilities, some may not be adjusted to their
>>>>>>>> blindness completely, etc etc but you wouldn't have to necessarily
>>>>>>>> feel self-conscious about the blindness issues, your appearance, etc
>>>>>>>> etc. Sighted people in my experience are going to ask many
>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>> Especially at first, you'll probably have to do a whole lot more
>>>>>>>> educating than dating, and it might get annoying, but many are
>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>> to learn and it could work out. As for good dating sites ... why not
>>>>>>>> just getting onto the social networks like Facebook and put your
>>>>>>>> status as single? Maybe attend some of the singles conferences that
>>>>>>>> are out there? And if someone interests you, then go after them
>>>>>>>> (whether online or not).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, talk to you later and peace. May you have much luck with
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> dating search.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Also, it has been proven, that there are people on chat sites, that
>>>>>>>>> pretend to be something, to get your attention, and then when you
>>>>>>>>> meet
>>>>>>>>> them, they're a criminal.
>>>>>>>>> Be careful, and meet people one on one, and in person.
>>>>>>>>> Come to the NFB convention, and you might meet someone, and oh yes,
>>>>>>>>> there are sighted members in the NFB, as well!
>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> I have never gone on to any of the online dating sites, but I
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>> careful because a person online is not as friendly or charming as
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> appear to be over emails. I have dated very few blind people and
>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> there is always a focus on blindness in the relationship and I
>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> a negative thing at times because we all live with blindness on a
>>>>>>>>>> daily
>>>>>>>>>> basis and want to know we are more than our blindness. I have
>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>> are a lot of people open to dating a blind person expecially when
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> confident and out going. I have been in a relationship with a
>>>>>>>>>> sited
>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>> for 3 years and things are wonderful.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Robin" <robinmel71 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello to everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>> I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with online
>>>>>>>>>>> dating
>>>>>>>>>>> and if so what sites would you recommend? What experiences have
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>> with dating sighted people vs dating blind people? I look forward
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> hearing your stories.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> breeze
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>>>>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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