[nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision

Fri Mar 23 13:28:18 UTC 2012

Brian,

Did you mean Rochester, NY?  I ask because I have never heard of
Rodchester.  I am a native Rochesterian and if you would like we could
discuss the transportation question you had off list if this is the
city you meant.

Justin

On 3/23/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
> Thanks Mary.  I intend to do this!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary Fernandez" <trillian551 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 12:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>
>
> Hi all,
> As to long distance relationships, the main drawback is the obvious,
> you don't see each other as often. Bryan if you think you and this
> girl can have a good future, then I suggest you start seeing each
> other one weekend a month or so. See how things work out, and see if
> there are times when you can see each other more often. Once you have
> that face to face and build a relationship from there, then I think
> that the moving question will come up naturally and you can decide
> together. You can innumerate all the reasons you've listed here to
> her, etc. But based on three weeks, I wouldn't be making any life
> decisions. Take it easy and get to know each other well.
> Sincerely,
> Mary
>
> On 3/23/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Thanks!
>> I'll ask around, and try to go to Guiding Eyes, after I graduate college.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 3/22/12, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> They do. Caniche dogs work very well as guide dogs I think, and you
>>> shouldn't have any trouble with those...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Joshua Lester
>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also, with the guide dog, you never know, if the person you're dating
>>>> has an allergy to dogs.
>>>> That's why I avoid them, because of my allergies.
>>>> I don't know, if they train dogs, that are nonallergenic.
>>>> Nicole, do you know if they do?
>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 3/22/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I'm not saying that this is a reason to get one, and I know that they
>>>>> are
>>>>> not for everyone, and, if you tell the training center that you want
>>>>> one
>>>>> for
>>>>> this reason, they're probably not going to accept you, but guide dogs
>>>>> can
>>>>> sometimes be a way to break the ice in awkward situations. However,
>>>>> there
>>>>> is
>>>>> of course a flip side to that. Some people who have guide dogs don't
>>>>> like
>>>>> it
>>>>> when people talk to them because of their dogs. .
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mary Fernandez" <trillian551 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 6:42 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> This is a really fantastic topic for a number of reasons. First,
>>>>> dating is hard as a blind person. But dating can also be hard for
>>>>> someone who is overweight, someone who is well below average height,
>>>>> someone who has trouble hearing, etc. In short, dating can be hard for
>>>>> anyone who isn't simply average, someone who doesn't fall squarely in
>>>>> the fattest part of the bell curve when we look at populations. Even
>>>>> geniuses have trouble dating, I'm friends with some, and it's a true
>>>>> story.
>>>>> I was having a conversation about dating with a very good friend of
>>>>> mine a few days ago. And one of the things we both agreed upon, is
>>>>> that one of the challenges of dating in the typical ways that most
>>>>> people do, is that most sighted people see you as an asexual being,
>>>>> who needs help, and who cannot be viewed as datable. Which, like
>>>>> Arielle said,  makes it hard for blind people to go to bars and other
>>>>> hang out places where singles gather and just pick up someone and go
>>>>> on a date. We have to carry a heavier burden by making ourselves even
>>>>> more accessible than most people, and this might play havoc with our
>>>>> self-esteem.  The courting sequence usually goes something like this:
>>>>> Man and woman sit at bar. Man and woman makes eye-contact.
>>>>> If man and woman give each other physical cue, man will usually,
>>>>> though not always, make a comment which will spark off conversation.
>>>>> If woman is interested, about 2 minutes into the conversation she will
>>>>> angle herself toward the man. If conversation continues to be
>>>>> stimulating, and man and woman are getting a deeper connection, casual
>>>>> touching might begin, and a second date might be requested.
>>>>> Now, lets look at this from a blind perspective. Man or woman walk
>>>>> into bar, after using cane successfully, fending off unwanted requests
>>>>> to be helped, man or woman find barstool. After being observed to
>>>>> enter by most of the bar, observers' mis-conceptions about blindness
>>>>> will have been activated. And our shot of having this normal courting
>>>>> sequence is nipped at the bud. Of course, a person who wasn't there
>>>>> before hand might come in, look at your gorgeous skirt and be
>>>>> instantly drawn in. Which is why, I like to arrive early at parties
>>>>> and spark up a conversation with new comers. When they find out your
>>>>> blind however, all bets are off.
>>>>> This is not to say that blind individuals cannot and should not have a
>>>>> dating experience. On the contrary, I have been fairly successful in
>>>>> dating along with many other blind women and men I know. Like Arielle
>>>>> and others mentioned, whether someone is sighted or blind should be
>>>>> irrelevant in who you choose to spend your time with and consider as a
>>>>> potential romantic partner. there are so many other things that come
>>>>> into play. What's important to you? Values, humor, kindness,
>>>>> intelligence, height, hair color, philosophical view, political
>>>>> parties? Could you truly date a democrat with all those liberal ideas
>>>>> they have? Or God forbid you find a blind conservative, but decide to
>>>>> stay with them because it's more comfortable. Relationships are so
>>>>> incredibly hard and take a lot of work .You learn a lot from each
>>>>> other. But hopefully, most of the time you enjoy each other
>>>>> thoroughly, know what your flaws are and continue to like the person
>>>>> despite them, and have a stronger basis for that relationship than
>>>>> mere visual acuity.
>>>>> So, basically, yes, if online dating is something you want to
>>>>> explore, than yes, do it! If the single chess club is something your
>>>>> into, go for it! If a singles book club, (which is totally something
>>>>> I'm looking into right now), sounds interesting, then by all means. Be
>>>>> creative, don't limit yourself to national convention or the local
>>>>> bar,, try speed dating! Trivia night! Just going to house parties. But
>>>>> most of all, be comfortable with yourself, don't go looking for a
>>>>> sighted date or a blind date for validation. Because that never ends
>>>>> well. The truth of the matter is that even those of us who are
>>>>> completely comfortable with their blindness, who lead, full happy and
>>>>> fulfilled life, can be put down sometimes by being perceived by the
>>>>> sighted world as somehow lacking, when we know we are not. But, you do
>>>>> learn that you really are ok, and that dating is just one more thing
>>>>> we have to do using alternative skills. I know, from the experience of
>>>>> friends, that some sighted people like to date blind people, because
>>>>> it makes them feel useful. It validates their self-worth, since they
>>>>> have someone they can help all the time. And I know blind people who
>>>>> think that dating someone who is sighted is somehow a superior
>>>>> experience. I've done both, and speaking from a woman's perspective.
>>>>> All men have issues. But you can find some truly golden ones among
>>>>> them all.
>>>>> A long post of mine can never be complete without my usual reference
>>>>> to fashion and looking good. Dress to bring out the best features of
>>>>> yourself. Even at my worse jeans, shirt and sneakers college chic,
>>>>> when I wake up 10 minutes before class, I always wear color. Because I
>>>>> have a nice skin tone, and color is my friend. Look nice, get some
>>>>> delicious lotion or perfume, and go get em.
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/22/12, Doug Oliver <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm gonna way in on this topic.
>>>>>> My fiancee is actually sited and I'm blind, she's been around blind
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> growing up, so she's very much accustomed to dating a blind person.
>>>>>> We've met in person twice and it's been great.
>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Ashley" <cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:42 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>> Like some of the people who have posted already, I have had my own
>>>>>> experiences with dating, as well as simply meeting people online. As a
>>>>>> matter of fact, my current boyfriend is someone I met online, and he
>>>>>> is blind as well. We have been dating a little over a year now, and I
>>>>>> have also had the chance to meet him in person. I can say that some of
>>>>>> what we've been through, especially when we met, was both good and
>>>>>> bad, and even though he is blind, it was a little more disastrous
>>>>>> because of his family who are sighted. Well the first time we actually
>>>>>> got to "see" each other was through a webcam, and both families were
>>>>>> present, not only for discriptive purposes but also because of us
>>>>>> being long distance, and it was the only way the two families could
>>>>>> meet. About 6 months later I got to visit him in person, and that was
>>>>>> a little weird because he lives in another country, and a part of
>>>>>> another culture, and that in itself brings its own barriers. I
>>>>>> actually stayed at his house with his family, and I imagine it was
>>>>>> hard on them because they've never dealt with another blind person
>>>>>> besides him, and he is not as independent as I am. I have also met
>>>>>> sighted people online, but I did not meet them through dating sites. I
>>>>>> met them through pages we both visit, (blogs, etc), and in my opinion,
>>>>>> that's better because you're actually meeting people you have things
>>>>>> in common with, regardless of whether you date or not, and like most
>>>>>> people have said already, one of the main things to consider when
>>>>>> dating someone, blind or sighted, is what kinds of things you share in
>>>>>> common with the other person. I personally have never dated a sighted
>>>>>> person, but I have made some interesting friends online who are
>>>>>> sighted. Some know I'm blind, and some do not, but not because I
>>>>>> haven't wanted to tell them. I don't meet these people in person
>>>>>> mainly because most of them are not from the U.S. and therefore it
>>>>>> really hasn't come up. Besides, I'm not as close to them, and we
>>>>>> mainly talk about music, which is what i have in common with most of
>>>>>> these people I meet anyway. I have also met blind friends online, and
>>>>>> basically the same goes for them. So as most people have already said,
>>>>>> I don't think it's that much different dating a sighted person from a
>>>>>> blind person. A blind person might be a little more understanding
>>>>>> considering they go through some of the same things. But on the other
>>>>>> side, that may not always be the case, if the person isn't completely
>>>>>> adjusted to their blindness, or they have been with their family their
>>>>>> entire life, and don't really understand the independence issue such
>>>>>> as in my case. So I think dating both blind and sighted people can
>>>>>> have their ups and downs, and it's just a matter of knowing how to
>>>>>> handle each situation as it comes. Good luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> I have a little experience with online dating, but not much. I was on
>>>>>>> a dating site for a year or so and chatted with a few guys but didn't
>>>>>>> find anyone I actually wanted to meet in person. I have a lot of
>>>>>>> friends (sighted and blind) who do online dating and I've heard the
>>>>>>> whole gamut, from happily-ever-after marriages to disastrous first
>>>>>>> dates and a few people who walked away after my friend's blindness
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> revealed online. It really doesn't hurt to try it. If you do find
>>>>>>> someone you like and want to meet, it's best to meet them in a public
>>>>>>> place. But there's nothing dangerous about just putting a profile up
>>>>>>> and seeing what happens.
>>>>>>> Some dating sites are free and others charge a fee for joining.
>>>>>>> Interestingly, the site I used was free, and when I was visiting my
>>>>>>> sister and her roommate they were checking out one of the paid sites.
>>>>>>> I told them about the free site I was on and they looked at it and
>>>>>>> said they thought the guys on the free site were a lot more
>>>>>>> attractive
>>>>>>> and appealing than the guys on the paid one. So it's possible the
>>>>>>> people you might meet on a free site are less "desperate" and hence
>>>>>>> are better catches.
>>>>>>> I'm sure there's a lot of debate about when to reveal blindness
>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>> an online dating encounter. Some people put it in their profiles,
>>>>>>> others wait until the first meeting and still others reveal it at
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> point in the middle. I'd tend to treat it like a job interview and
>>>>>>> reveal blindness after I've connected with someone online but before
>>>>>>> we meet in person so they aren't totally shocked or freaked out when
>>>>>>> they see me. Unfortunately rejections due to blindness can happen at
>>>>>>> any point in the process. You'll have to decide whether you would
>>>>>>> prefer to take that risk earlier on or to give them a chance to get
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> know you before they learn about your blindness.
>>>>>>> Regarding dating blind vs. sighted people: Like many of us I have
>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>> both. I never consciously decided that I wanted to date a blind
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> or a sighted person, and I would not recommend that line of thinking.
>>>>>>> I simply dated guys with whom I felt a connection and who felt the
>>>>>>> same way toward me, regardless of whether or not they were blind. I
>>>>>>> will say that in some ways establishing the initial relationship was
>>>>>>> easier with blind guys, because I didn't have to wonder about what
>>>>>>> nonverbal signals they were sending or how they might interpret my
>>>>>>> nonverbal signals. However, when I try to compare the relationship I
>>>>>>> have had with my sighted boyfriend over the past three years with the
>>>>>>> other relationships I have had with blind guys, I really can't think
>>>>>>> of any major differences. I do think that regardless of blindness
>>>>>>> status, it's important for you and your partner to share interests
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> passions in common. NFB and blindness are passions that many of us
>>>>>>> share, and they help bring many blind couples together. However,
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> are other interests or passions you may share with sighted folks
>>>>>>> around you, and finding a partner who shares one of those passions
>>>>>>> with you can be similarly rewarding. In other words, instead of
>>>>>>> deciding who to date based on whether they are sighted or blind, I
>>>>>>> think it's more helpful to choose based on how much you share in
>>>>>>> common with them. I know that for us blind folks it can be hard to
>>>>>>> meet and connect with people at bars or large gatherings like
>>>>>>> singles'
>>>>>>> parties. But if you can find communities of people that share your
>>>>>>> interests-whether that be your local NFB chapter or student division,
>>>>>>> classes, church groups or clubs you might be in-that's a much better
>>>>>>> way to build lasting connections.
>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Oops, I missed a point: I wouldn't go to an NFB convention simply
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the dating scene. I'm sure relationships do develop at things like
>>>>>>>> that, however most people are going to be preoccupied with general
>>>>>>>> sessions, exhibits, orientation around a huge massive hotel, etc etc
>>>>>>>> to really pay attention to who's around them for dating.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello Robin,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or you could just go ahead and do the online dating thing and learn
>>>>>>>>> from it. It has turned out well for some, and not so well for
>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>> As for the sighted vs. blind thing, I would ask what you want. Not
>>>>>>>>> dating a blind person simply because you think you'll look cool and
>>>>>>>>> more independent for dating a sighted person will limit your
>>>>>>>>> options,
>>>>>>>>> just like not dating a sighted person because you're afraid of
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> rejected is crazy as well. We're all individuals. Many blind people
>>>>>>>>> have underlying disabilities, some may not be adjusted to their
>>>>>>>>> blindness completely, etc etc but you wouldn't have to necessarily
>>>>>>>>> feel self-conscious about the blindness issues, your appearance,
>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>> etc. Sighted people in my experience are going to ask many
>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>> Especially at first, you'll probably have to do a whole lot more
>>>>>>>>> educating than dating, and it might get annoying, but many are
>>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>>> to learn and it could work out. As for good dating sites ... why
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> just getting onto the social networks like Facebook and put your
>>>>>>>>> status as single? Maybe attend some of the singles conferences that
>>>>>>>>> are out there? And if someone interests you, then go after them
>>>>>>>>> (whether online or not).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, talk to you later and peace. May you have much luck with
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> dating search.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Also, it has been proven, that there are people on chat sites,
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> pretend to be something, to get your attention, and then when you
>>>>>>>>>> meet
>>>>>>>>>> them, they're a criminal.
>>>>>>>>>> Be careful, and meet people one on one, and in person.
>>>>>>>>>> Come to the NFB convention, and you might meet someone, and oh
>>>>>>>>>> yes,
>>>>>>>>>> there are sighted members in the NFB, as well!
>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>> I have never gone on to any of the online dating sites, but I
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>> careful because a person online is not as friendly or charming as
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> appear to be over emails. I have dated very few blind people and
>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> there is always a focus on blindness in the relationship and I
>>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> a negative thing at times because we all live with blindness on a
>>>>>>>>>>> daily
>>>>>>>>>>> basis and want to know we are more than our blindness. I have
>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> are a lot of people open to dating a blind person expecially when
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> confident and out going. I have been in a relationship with a
>>>>>>>>>>> sited
>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>> for 3 years and things are wonderful.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Robin" <robinmel71 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello to everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with online
>>>>>>>>>>>> dating
>>>>>>>>>>>> and if so what sites would you recommend? What experiences have
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>> with dating sighted people vs dating blind people? I look
>>>>>>>>>>>> forward
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing your stories.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague,
>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> breeze
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Emory 2012
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