[nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision

Mon Mar 26 03:20:28 UTC 2012

Hi all, jeff again

See it all comes down to a point of who you have been around, I have
been around 3 other blind people besides the chapter metting in
detroit MI which i don't get to go all that much anymore, I  am in
flint, and well that's a lot of gas money.

But anyway, If a sited person in my kase, just takes one look at me
and does the stairow type, and I hate that more than anything. I do
beleave that a boy or girl, man or woman should becompletely okay with
each other's different things and if their truly in love with each
other, then nothing will be a problem.

sorry if this does not make sence, or fits in with the rest of the
stuff, it is very late hear, and I am about to fall over.

have a good night to all

Jeff Crouch

On 3/25/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Love your message Desiree, and I agree that generalizations aren't a
> good thing. I have met very few blinde men or women that would measure
> up to my physical and cognitive perceived abilities, but that doesn't
> mean they don't exist. On the other hand, I haven't met very many
> blind people in general, and many of the ones I have met also have
> some underlying condition or disability. It's important that if we do
> have standards, we ought to apply those same standards to everyone,
> whether sighted or blind. Unless of course one of your standards is
> that you're going to stick with dating a sighted person ...
>
> Later.
>
> On 25.03.2012, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Dez,
>>
>> I've never been in contact with blind women in my age bracket  who have
>> succeeded in life like I have.  I myself have standards just like yours
>> and
>> use these on sighted people as well as blind people.  If I had an actual
>> NFB
>> chapter full of blind people like my self in my area It would be much
>> easier
>> for me to network and make blind friends.  My parents had beliefs similar
>> to
>> your parents because I never grew up around the NFB.  In fact I've just
>> recently discovered this organization in the past few years.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Desiree Oudinot" <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>>> That's a pretty big generalization. I understand that our life
>>> experiences shape our views, and more importantly, our prejudices, but
>>> that doesn't mean that all blind women are what you're saying they
>>> are. In fact, I've met just as many blind young men who are what you
>>> describe. Also, you don't know the circumstances of every blind person
>>> who's still living at home. Of course, if you're talking about former
>>> dating partners, I would assume you did, but I would encourage you to
>>> have a little compassion and sensitivity to whatever emotional issues
>>> they might be facing that cause them to have no desire to leave home.
>>> Are they afraid of failure? Have their parents belittled, degraded, or
>>> even abused them due to their blindness?
>>> I understand that there are blind people, women and men, old and
>>> young, who have a chip on their shoulder and an entitlement complex a
>>> mile long. But you know what? You can choose not to associate with
>>> those people. Discouraging a kid from dating blind people is quite
>>> another thing though.
>>> My mom once told me when I was in high school and complaining about a
>>> relationship that didn't work out, "blind people are screwed up in the
>>> head. You shouldn't be dating them." By saying that, no matter how
>>> well-intentioned her response was, she was putting me in the same
>>> category. Can you imagine how I felt? To top it all off, in high
>>> school, relationships don't last forever, so that made it doubly
>>> hurtful.
>>> To summarize, I have no problem dating a blind or sighted person. I've
>>> dated both, and have had good and bad experiences with both. I also
>>> don't shy away from being supportive of people who might not be as
>>> strong as you and I are. Growing up, I never had much support from
>>> anyone. I've made a promise to myself that I won't repeat that pattern
>>> in my adulthood. Now, if a person is clearly trying to mooch off the
>>> system, throws a pity party constantly, refuses to practice good
>>> hygiene, and is grossly overweight due to perpetual inactivity, of
>>> course I won't date them. But those are my standards, and aren't
>>> limited to blindness. I wouldn't date a sighted person with those
>>> traits either.
>>>
>>> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> In my experiences with visually handicapped women most of them I've
>>>> encountered that are at my age level are uneducated and still living
>>>> under
>>>> their parents roof.  My rule is that any woman I date should be on the
>>>> same
>>>> level both chronologically and mentally as I am.  I've graduated college
>>>> and
>>>> have been on my own since 2003. I am very independent.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I would like to try dating a VI Girl, just to see what it would
>>>>> be like, But unfornchely their is no one hear in flint.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Me neither.  But I am just warning Jeff to be careful.  Back then when
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> went on dates I enjoyed myself very much. But I noticed during the
>>>>>> High
>>>>>> School years most girls weren't as accepting of me and I had more luck
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> dating during college than high school.  But again during the few
>>>>>> times
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> dated as a teen I had fun.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:43 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't see anything wrong with dating during high school. It was
>>>>>>>fun!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Brian Hatgelakas
>>>>>>> <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Jeff my advice to you is wait until college to start dating. I did
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> and am very happy I did.    By doing this the women by the time you
>>>>>>>> enter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> college will be much more mature and accepting of your blindness
>>>>>>>> situation. Right now as a teenager make friends and don't get caught
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> in something you know won't last.  Because at your age its mostly
>>>>>>>> figuring out who you are and that's the same for girls.  Good luck
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> your studies and don't worry as you get older your chance to date
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hear before you know it.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff crouch"
>>>>>>>> <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:11 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ah, it must be nice being of legal age, but i am 15, and I would
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> to be in a releasonship, but the practicablity of this happening is
>>>>>>>>> slim, with school, and extra crickler activatives things would not
>>>>>>>>> really work out, but as i said, it would be nice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in a onist way of putting it, from a adault point of view, it would
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> pointless for me to get in a releationship because it is just over
>>>>>>>>> reactive hormons that would get in the way and then after a wile
>>>>>>>>> things would simmer down, and hear that person go's, on the hunt
>>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this is my point of view
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but i think you would have good luck in the online dating world,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> as one of the posters said, becareful, i know from experence, my
>>>>>>>>> friend did that online stuff, and then well to putt it i have not
>>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>>> her for quite some years, she went missing, so be careful
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> don't mean to sound like a dad, lol
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> every one have a good day, and if anyone needs to contact me, you
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> email me at
>>>>>>>>> jeffanel at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> kd8qiq at arrl.net
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with love and respect
>>>>>>>>> Jeff Crouch
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/24/12, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello doug,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Congratulations on your upcoming nuptials with you and mellissa.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>> sooo
>>>>>>>>>> happy for the both of you! Here's wishing you both good health and
>>>>>>>>>> happiness.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take care and, I will talk to you soon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>>>>>> amy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Oliver
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> we are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:28 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doug, good luck with your fiancee.  I hope the two of you are
>>>>>>>>>> still working.
>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Doug Oliver" <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:54:51 -0500
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna way in on this topic.
>>>>>>>>>> My fiancee is actually sited and I'm blind, she's been around
>>>>>>>>>> blind people
>>>>>>>>>> growing up, so she's very much accustomed to dating a blind
>>>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>>>> We've met in person twice and it's been great.
>>>>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Ashley" <cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:42 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>> Like some of the people who have posted already, I have had my
>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>> experiences with dating, as well as simply meeting people online.
>>>>>>>>>> As a
>>>>>>>>>> matter of fact, my current boyfriend is someone I met online, and
>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>> is blind as well. We have been dating a little over a year now,
>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>> have also had the chance to meet him in person. I can say that
>>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>>> what we've been through, especially when we met, was both good
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> bad, and even though he is blind, it was a little more disastrous
>>>>>>>>>> because of his family who are sighted. Well the first time we
>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>> got to "see" each other was through a webcam, and both families
>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>> present, not only for descriptive purposes but also because of us
>>>>>>>>>> being long distance, and it was the only way the two families
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> meet. About 6 months later I got to visit him in person, and that
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> a little weird because he lives in another country, and a part of
>>>>>>>>>> another culture, and that in itself brings its own barriers. I
>>>>>>>>>> actually stayed at his house with his family, and I imagine it
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> hard on them because they've never dealt with another blind
>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>> besides him, and he is not as independent as I am. I have also
>>>>>>>>>> met
>>>>>>>>>> sighted people online, but I did not meet them through dating
>>>>>>>>>> sites. I
>>>>>>>>>> met them through pages we both visit, (blogs, etc), and in my
>>>>>>>>>> opinion,
>>>>>>>>>> that's better because you're actually meeting people you have
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>> in common with, regardless of whether you date or not, and like
>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>> people have said already, one of the main things to consider when
>>>>>>>>>> dating someone, blind or sighted, is what kinds of things you
>>>>>>>>>> share in
>>>>>>>>>> common with the other person. I personally have never dated a
>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>> person, but I have made some interesting friends online who are
>>>>>>>>>> sighted. Some know I'm blind, and some do not, but not because I
>>>>>>>>>> haven't wanted to tell them. I don't meet these people in person
>>>>>>>>>> mainly because most of them are not from the U.S. and therefore
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> really hasn't come up. Besides, I'm not as close to them, and we
>>>>>>>>>> mainly talk about music, which is what i have in common with most
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> these people I meet anyway. I have also met blind friends online,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> basically the same goes for them. So as most people have already
>>>>>>>>>> said,
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's that much different dating a sighted person
>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>> blind person. A blind person might be a little more understanding
>>>>>>>>>> considering they go through some of the same things. But on the
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> side, that may not always be the case, if the person isn't
>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>> adjusted to their blindness, or they have been with their family
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> entire life, and don't really understand the independence issue
>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>> as in my case. So I think dating both blind and sighted people
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> have their ups and downs, and it's just a matter of knowing how
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> handle each situation as it comes. Good luck.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> I have a little experience with online dating, but not much. I
>>>>>>>>>> was on
>>>>>>>>>> a dating site for a year or so and chatted with a few guys but
>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>> find anyone I actually wanted to meet in person. I have a lot of
>>>>>>>>>> friends (sighted and blind) who do online dating and I've heard
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> whole gamut, from happily-ever-after marriages to disastrous
>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>> dates and a few people who walked away after my friend's
>>>>>>>>>> blindness was
>>>>>>>>>> revealed online. It really doesn't hurt to try it. If you do
>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>> someone you like and want to meet, it's best to meet them in a
>>>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>>>> place. But there's nothing dangerous about just putting a
>>>>>>>>>> profile up
>>>>>>>>>> and seeing what happens.
>>>>>>>>>> Some dating sites are free and others charge a fee for joining.
>>>>>>>>>> Interestingly, the site I used was free, and when I was visiting
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> sister and her roommate they were checking out one of the paid
>>>>>>>>>> sites.
>>>>>>>>>> I told them about the free site I was on and they looked at it
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> said they thought the guys on the free site were a lot more
>>>>>>>>>> attractive
>>>>>>>>>> and appealing than the guys on the paid one. So it's possible
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> people you might meet on a free site are less "desperate" and
>>>>>>>>>> hence
>>>>>>>>>> are better catches.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there's a lot of debate about when to reveal blindness
>>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>> an online dating encounter. Some people put it in their
>>>>>>>>>> profiles,
>>>>>>>>>> others wait until the first meeting and still others reveal it
>>>>>>>>>> at some
>>>>>>>>>> point in the middle. I'd tend to treat it like a job interview
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> reveal blindness after I've connected with someone online but
>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>> we meet in person so they aren't totally shocked or freaked out
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> they see me. Unfortunately rejections due to blindness can
>>>>>>>>>> happen at
>>>>>>>>>> any point in the process. You'll have to decide whether you
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> prefer to take that risk earlier on or to give them a chance to
>>>>>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>>>>> know you before they learn about your blindness.
>>>>>>>>>> Regarding dating blind vs. sighted people: Like many of us I
>>>>>>>>>> have done
>>>>>>>>>> both. I never consciously decided that I wanted to date a blind
>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>> or a sighted person, and I would not recommend that line of
>>>>>>>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>>>>> I simply dated guys with whom I felt a connection and who felt
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> same way toward me, regardless of whether or not they were
>>>>>>>>>> blind. I
>>>>>>>>>> will say that in some ways establishing the initial relationship
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> easier with blind guys, because I didn't have to wonder about
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals they were sending or how they might interpret
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals. However, when I try to compare the
>>>>>>>>>> relationship I
>>>>>>>>>> have had with my sighted boyfriend over the past three years
>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>> other relationships I have had with blind guys, I really can't
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>> of any major differences. I do think that regardless of
>>>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>>>>> status, it's important for you and your partner to share
>>>>>>>>>> interests and
>>>>>>>>>> passions in common. NFB and blindness are passions that many of
>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>> share, and they help bring many blind couples together. However,
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>> are other interests or passions you may share with sighted folks
>>>>>>>>>> around you, and finding a partner who shares one of those
>>>>>>>>>> passions
>>>>>>>>>> with you can be similarly rewarding. In other words, instead of
>>>>>>>>>> deciding who to date based on whether they are sighted or blind,
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> think it's more helpful to choose based on how much you share in
>>>>>>>>>> common with them. I know that for us blind folks it can be hard
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> meet and connect with people at bars or large gatherings like
>>>>>>>>>> singles'
>>>>>>>>>> parties. But if you can find communities of people that share
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> interests-whether that be your local NFB chapter or student
>>>>>>>>>> division,
>>>>>>>>>> classes, church groups or clubs you might be in-that's a much
>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>> way to build lasting connections.
>>>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Nimer M. Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Oops, I missed a point: I wouldn't go to an NFB convention
>>>>>>>>>> simply for
>>>>>>>>>> the dating scene. I'm sure relationships do develop at things
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> that, however most people are going to be preoccupied with
>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>> sessions, exhibits, orientation around a huge massive hotel, etc
>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>> to really pay attention to who's around them for dating.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Later.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Nimer M. Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Robin,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or you could just go ahead and do the online dating thing and
>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>> from it. It has turned out well for some, and not so well for
>>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>> As for the sighted vs. blind thing, I would ask what you want.
>>>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>>>> dating a blind person simply because you think you'll look cool
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> more independent for dating a sighted person will limit your
>>>>>>>>>> options,
>>>>>>>>>> just like not dating a sighted person because you're afraid of
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> rejected is crazy as well. We're all individuals. Many blind
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> have underlying disabilities, some may not be adjusted to their
>>>>>>>>>> blindness completely, etc but you wouldn't have to
>>>>>>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>>>> feel self-conscious about the blindness issues, your appearance,
>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>> etc. Sighted people in my experience are going to ask many
>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>> Especially at first, you'll probably have to do a whole lot more
>>>>>>>>>> educating than dating, and it might get annoying, but many are
>>>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>>>> to learn and it could work out. As for good dating sites ... why
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> just getting onto the social networks like Facebook and put your
>>>>>>>>>> status as single? Maybe attend some of the singles conferences
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> are out there? And if someone interests you, then go after them
>>>>>>>>>> (whether online or not).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, talk to you later and peace. May you have much luck with
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> dating search.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Also, it has been proven, that there are people on chat sites,
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> pretend to be something, to get your attention, and then when
>>>>>>>>>> you meet
>>>>>>>>>> them, they're a criminal.
>>>>>>>>>> Be careful, and meet people one on one, and in person.
>>>>>>>>>> Come to the NFB convention, and you might meet someone, and oh
>>>>>>>>>> yes,
>>>>>>>>>> there are sighted members in the NFB, as well!
>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> I have never gone on to any of the online dating sites, but I
>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>> careful because a person online is not as friendly or charming
>>>>>>>>>> as they
>>>>>>>>>> appear to be over emails. I have dated very few blind people and
>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> there is always a focus on blindness in the relationship and I
>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> a negative thing at times because we all live with blindness on
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> daily
>>>>>>>>>> basis and want to know we are more than our blindness. I have
>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>> are a lot of people open to dating a blind person especially
>>>>>>>>>> when they
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> confident and out going. I have been in a relationship with a
>>>>>>>>>> sited
>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>> for 3 years and things are wonderful.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Robin" <robinmel71 at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello to everyone,
>>>>>>>>>> I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with online
>>>>>>>>>> dating
>>>>>>>>>> and if so what sites would you recommend? What experiences have
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> with dating sighted people vs dating blind people? I look
>>>>>>>>>> forward to
>>>>>>>>>> hearing your stories.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague,
>>>>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>>>> breeze
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>>>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> kd8qiq
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