[nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology

Stephanie DeLuca sjhhirst at gmail.com
Fri Mar 30 15:03:25 UTC 2012


I was thinking about going with the Tennessee Rehab Center to learn some braille, O&M, and interview skills.  I don't really need help on daily living.  Does anyone know the quality of the instruction at this center and can comment on it?

On Mar 30, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote:

> Because not all states or counselors have subscribed to the NFB way of
> doing things (like forcing the blindfold issue or the cane issue) for
> example. One organization or group's ideas about independence aren't
> always the same as another group's ideas.
> 
> On 30.03.2012, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>    Why won't all states pay for NFB center training just curious.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>> 
>> 
>>> Dear List
>>> I totally agree with Chris' comment. The NFB training centers are
>>> incredible and the people who work there are extremely supportive. As
>>> a person who went to CCb in 2006 and 2008 I believe going there was
>>> the best decision I have made about my independence.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Nathan Clark
>>> 
>>> On 3/29/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> All these complaints against what we NFB members call
>>>> "traditional rehab centers" and their policies make the NFB
>>>> training centers and their practices that much better! From what
>>>> I know about many of you from previous posts on this list, you
>>>> like the NFB philosophy and the fact that we believe blind people
>>>> can and should be expected to be as independent as we can.  So,
>>>> why not go to an adult program at an NFB center? They offer the
>>>> same type of program and teach the same skills as traditional
>>>> facilities such as LWSB, but the NFB centers believe in teaching
>>>> independence and won't force you to take a class you don't need.
>>>> I encourage you all to check them out!
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:29:06 -0400
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>> 
>>>> Why would they make you take a TDL class if you are already doing
>>>> the stuff
>>>> on your own?  If I went to a center for a job placement program
>>>> I'd show
>>>> them right away and try to opt out of the class.  Couldn't you
>>>> have done
>>>> this.  Seams like those centers bring us independent people down
>>>> to the
>>>> lowest level of people that don't know anything about living
>>>> independently
>>>> at first before you can get to the programs you are actually
>>>> paying for.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 7:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> They train people in Daily living skills, because I was forced to
>>>> take
>>>> that TDL, (Techniques of Daily Living,) class!
>>>> I hated it, because it was stuff, I already knew, and was doing
>>>> on my own!
>>>> Theresa Bailey taught it, and it was horible!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I thought that LWSB didn't train people on daily living skills.
>>>> That's
>>>> what
>>>> I said!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Brian,
>>>> What are you refering to when you talk about the CCB job
>>>> training program?
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Nathan
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I wasn't aware that LWSB offered programs similar to the Carol
>>>> Center's
>>>> and
>>>> Colorado Center's!  I was always under the impression that it
>>>> was solely
>>>> a
>>>> job training center AKA an ITT tech or a Western School Of
>>>> Health And
>>>> business!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:49 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Brian,
>>>> it’s a training center that provides independent living and job
>>>> training.
>>>> They provide training in help desk support and other I T stuff.
>>>> It’s a training facility,  not a job placement agency.  so, it
>>>> will not
>>>> gaurantee employment.
>>>> I say let the programs run.  If you don't like it, don't go
>>>> there, but
>>>> they
>>>> 
>>>> must  be helping some people improve their lives.
>>>> 
>>>> Ashley
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Brian Hatgelakas
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:25 AM
>>>> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind
>>>> Students
>>>> mailing
>>>> 
>>>> list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>> 
>>>> If no employment is provided why not terminate all programs
>>>> accept the
>>>> IRS
>>>> program?  My question is how much money is being wasted by state
>>>> agencies
>>>> on
>>>> useless programs at this center?  I believe someone needs to do
>>>> an
>>>> investigative article on this topic.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:54 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Joshua,
>>>> 
>>>> The only programs that will hire directly from WSB are the IRS
>>>> programs and they are not directly affiliated with WSB.  You can
>>>> go to
>>>> any other IRS class and get the same offered position.  WSB just
>>>> happens to be the location of an IRS training sight.  The
>>>> employees
>>>> that teach those classes work directly for the IRS, and the
>>>> computer
>>>> network used is solely for the IRS which makes the IRS classes
>>>> and WSB
>>>> two separate entities in my mind.  Even if you wish to count the
>>>> IRS
>>>> classes as belonging to WSB, they have a bunch of other programs
>>>> that
>>>> will not provide employment once a program has been terminated
>>>> and a
>>>> client has graduated successfully.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> On 25.03.2012, Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Joshua, she went to Tyler Texas to teach with Jan at the Tyler
>>>> Light
>>>> House.
>>>> 
>>>> Desiree, as part of the ATI program, clients will receive a set
>>>> amount
>>>> of hours (that's not really counted) of practical experience
>>>> which is
>>>> the teaching of students for them that I mentioned, you receive
>>>> an icł
>>>> certification which is outdated, hardly ever used or heard of,
>>>> and
>>>> mostly is unrelated to assistive technology, and because of my
>>>> request
>>>> that I put forward you now will attempt to pass the Freedom
>>>> Scientific
>>>> JAWS cert which again, isn't worth a whole lot seeing how it
>>>> places
>>>> much of its emphasis on how to access help and where to get
>>>> training
>>>> more than knowing how to most efficiently utilize the functions
>>>> of the
>>>> screen reader.  For all of this, the training supposedly takes
>>>> nine
>>>> months although I finished up in under four.  This was the old
>>>> program.
>>>> Now, the new instructor has been incorporating lessons on
>>>> teaching
>>>> modalities, eye conditions, making equipment recommendations and
>>>> communicating with state Rehab counselors, etc etc.  You don't
>>>> receive
>>>> a certification in any of this, unless you call a little piece
>>>> of
>>>> paper and a pin from WSB telling you good job and that you
>>>> graduated
>>>> to be a certification.  This is why I don't consider WSB to be a
>>>> school.  Technically I'm sure they have to have some
>>>> accreditation or
>>>> other to provide the services that they do, but I'm sure that if
>>>> they
>>>> are meeting the standards for it, they're barely doing so.  And
>>>> sanitation issues in their buildings are pretty bad.  They have
>>>> an
>>>> antiquated heating and cooling system that can not be switched
>>>> from
>>>> heat to AC quickly meaning that they will only make the switch
>>>> twice a
>>>> year, there are many bugs and some of the food provided is
>>>> unrecognizable, although when boar members are present they do a
>>>> half
>>>> decent job.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> On 25.03.2012, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> So, if it's not a school, does that mean the accreditation is
>>>> worthless? I'm just trying to understand that part of it.  I
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> attend there, because I've heard some disturbing stories, to put
>>>> it
>>>> lightly, about sanitation issues in the dorms.
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/25/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I attended there, under the influence of my VR counselor.
>>>> What a mistake!
>>>> I wanted to get in their AT program, but it was too full.
>>>> They have an awesome ATI, (Assistive Technology Instructor,)
>>>> program,
>>>> that I would have highly recommended, if they had the
>>>> instructor,
>>>> that
>>>> I had.
>>>> We called her Ms Z.
>>>> Anyone remember her?
>>>> Blessings,Joshua
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/25/12, Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Joshua,
>>>> 
>>>> LWSB is not a school, and I definitely wouldn't recommend it for
>>>> several reasons.  First, the program is being modified heavily
>>>> under
>>>> the influence of a new tech instructor they've just hired, so I
>>>> would
>>>> say wait till everything's worked out.  Second, there are quite
>>>> a few
>>>> places where mentioning "LWSB" will not land you work because of
>>>> its
>>>> reputation in the past.  And, as mentioned, it is not a school
>>>> which
>>>> means that you really can't depend on it for finding any kind of
>>>> employment.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> On 25.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> http://www.lwsb.org
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/25/12, Kayla Paige <kayla.mattox at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi, I have a question.  What kind of school would you go to for
>>>> a
>>>> career
>>>> in
>>>> assistive technology? Even though I'm going to school for
>>>> massage
>>>> therapy,
>>>> my other interest is assistive technology.  Thanks.
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