From dandrews at visi.com Thu Nov 1 03:09:25 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:09:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind 9/11 Survivor Speaks at Center for Spiritual Living- Message-ID: Subject: Media Alert: Blind 9/11 Survivor Speaks at Center for Spiritual Living-Reno mhg| The Michael Hingson Group FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Blind 9/11 Survivor Shares Story of Survival and Teamwork at Center for Spiritual Living-Reno Michael Hingson #1 New York Times best-selling author of THUNDER DOG Appears in Reno on November 9th and live-streamed Reno (NV) October 30, 2012: Michael Hingson #1 New York Times best-selling author of THUNDER DOG: The True Story of a Blind Man, His Guide Dog & the Triumph of Trust at Ground Zero will appear at Center for Spiritual Living, Reno on Friday, November 9, 2012 at 7:00p.m.. Audiences will follow Michael Hingson and his award-winning guide dog, Roselle, as their lives are changed forever by two explosions and 1,463 stairs and discover how blindness and the astonishing bond between a man and his dog not only saved lives, but fetched America a ray of hope on one of her darkest days. “This is not just the story of how I escaped from the World Trade Center,” said Hingson, but rather it is the story of how I got there, and it is the story of how I learned to cope with the attacks and to move on. I offer life lessons others can use when confronted with major changes in their world.” "We are so honored to host Michael Hingson. His captivating story inspires us by demonstrating what's possible through trust and working together under the most extreme circumstances. You can't help but be forever changed by his story." Rev. Liesa Leggett Garcia Event Details Michael and his current guide dog, Africa, will share his personal story and reflections from THUNDER DOG on Friday, November 9, 2012 at 7:00p.m. at the Center for Spiritual Living, Reno located at 4685 Lakeside Drive, Reno, Nevada 89509. Phone: (775) 826-0566. A question and answer session with Michael Hingson and Rev. Liesa Leggett Garcia will follow. Live-stream audiences will be able to submit questions for Mr. Hingson via live chat. Tickets are $35 per person and can be purchased by visiting: cslreno.org. For those unable to attend in person, the event will be live-streamed. Tickets for the web-cast are $20 per person and are available by going to: http://www.indigoplatformstv.com/show/csl-reno-live For ticket information visit: cslreno.org or call: (775) 826-0566. About Michael Hingson Michael Hingson in an internationally acclaimed speaker and author of the #1 New York Times bestselling book Thunder Dog: The True Story of a Blind Man, His Guide Dog & the Triumph of Trust at Ground Zero and Thunder Dog the film to be released September 2013 by My Three Sons Films. Hingson is National Ambassador for the Braille Literacy Campaign and founder of “Roselle's Dream Foundation,” which provides assistive technologies to blind children and adults. For more information visit: www.michaelhingson.com For more information or for interview requests: The press are invited and encouraged to attend. Michael Hingson is available for interviews. Center for Spiritual Living contact: Joe Garcia (775) 826-0566, joe.garcia at charter.net Michael Hingson media contact: Celia Black (425) 512-7453, celiablackpr at gmail.com ### Close up MIke and Roselle on park bench shirt and tie.jpg Close up MIke and Roselle on park bench shirt and tie.jpg Mike podium Africa up on hind legs.jpg Mike podium Africa up on hind legs.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1065036.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2000 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1065065.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2000 bytes Desc: not available URL: From everett at everettgavel.com Thu Nov 1 21:17:52 2012 From: everett at everettgavel.com (Everett Gavel) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:17:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or the University of Phoenix? Message-ID: <0130A6A2F83F4C9099F9A1A63A9927DA@Lisa> Hi All, Anyone here attended or researched going to Pike's Peak Community College (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), Colorado State University (CSU), or the University of Phoenix? If so, could I please talk with you off-list? I'm attending college online at a private college, Ashford University (based in Iowa). It's very accessible, and should be for at least the first 2 years, they say. They use some Constellation teaching system, rather than something like Blackboard. Also, the reason I chose it was first for accessibility, but a close second was the fact that they only give you 1 class at a time, each class being 5 weeks long, and you still get your 120 credit hours in 4 years or whatever the requirement is for a 4-year degree. I mean, come on, how cool is that? Only 1 class at a time? I never heard of such a thing before, but as soon as I did I jumped on the opportunity. Anyway, Vocational Rehab here in Colorado will pay for my schooling, and they may even pay for this private University. But I have to of course show why it's the best choice after looking at local/Colorado schools and maybe another online option. So I'm going to look at Pike's Peak Community College (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), & Colorado State University (CSU), as well as the University of Phoenix. My question is, has anyone here already researched or used these facilities? Can I talk with you or hear from you on your experience, or why you did or did not end up attending that particular school? How was the accessibility of it all for you, etc. Has anyone here been to any of these 4 schools? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Strive On! Everett everett at everettgavel.com (330) 604-5750 From nimerjaber1 at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 21:35:18 2012 From: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nimer_M=2E_Jaber=2C_IC=B3?=) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 17:35:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or the University of Phoenix? In-Reply-To: <0130A6A2F83F4C9099F9A1A63A9927DA@Lisa> References: <0130A6A2F83F4C9099F9A1A63A9927DA@Lisa> Message-ID: Hello, I have experience with PPCC and with UCCS, so if you have any questions, please let me know. I also know of a couple of people that attend CSU. Thanks. On 11/1/12, Everett Gavel wrote: > Hi All, > > Anyone here attended or researched going to Pike's Peak Community College > (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), Colorado State > University (CSU), or the University of Phoenix? If so, could I please talk > with you off-list? > > I'm attending college online at a private college, Ashford University (based > > in Iowa). It's very accessible, and should be for at least the first 2 > years, they say. They use some Constellation teaching system, rather than > something like Blackboard. Also, the reason I chose it was first for > accessibility, but a close second was the fact that they only give you 1 > class at a time, each class being 5 weeks long, and you still get your 120 > credit hours in 4 years or whatever the requirement is for a 4-year degree. > > I mean, come on, how cool is that? Only 1 class at a time? I never heard of > > such a thing before, but as soon as I did I jumped on the opportunity. > > Anyway, Vocational Rehab here in Colorado will pay for my schooling, and > they may even pay for this private University. But I have to of course show > > why it's the best choice after looking at local/Colorado schools and maybe > another online option. So I'm going to look at Pike's Peak Community College > > (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), & Colorado State > > University (CSU), as well as the University of Phoenix. > > My question is, has anyone here already researched or used these facilities? > > Can I talk with you or hear from you on your experience, or why you did or > did not end up attending that particular school? How was the accessibility > of it all for you, etc. Has anyone here been to any of these 4 schools? > > Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > > Strive On! > Everett > everett at everettgavel.com > (330) 604-5750 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Cordially, Nimer Jaber Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains some information about the email you have just read and all attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk. The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is up to you. Thanks. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank you, and have a great day! From dandrews at visi.com Thu Nov 1 23:11:00 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 18:11:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Leather Cases for iPhone 5 / Braille Sense On-Hand Message-ID: > >EPI has designed 3 new cases for the sight impaired community. > > >First we have the iPhone 5 case: >This case is a fitted leather case, that fits >snuggly around your iPhone 5. All connectors for >input/output have been cut out on the case so >that you don’t have to remove the unit from the case. >This cases comes with a leather clip located on >the back of the phone so that you can clip it on to your belt. >Price $30.00 > >Link below >https://www.executiveproductsinc.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=277&products_id=1935 > > >Second is the iPhone 5 case with cover flap: >This fitted leather case is the same as the >above case, but it comes with a cover flap to >protect the front part of your iPhone 5 unit. >The design on this unit is similar to the victor >reader case that we have created. The flap has a >zipper pocket to store your ear buds. >Price $40.00 > >Link below >https://www.executiveproductsinc.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=277&products_id=1936 > > >Third we have completed the case for the Braille Sense On-Hand: > >The EPI Braille Sense On-Hand case is a fitted >leather case that will not allow your unit to >slip out of this case. It is a form fit custom >leather case that enables the Braille Sense >On-Hand user to easily utilize the note taker. >The case comes with a comfortable shoulder strap >that will secure your unit while in transit. The >face of the unit is covered with a zipper pocket >cover which may be opened / closed with magnetic >closures. The zipper pocket cover may be flipped >on to the rear and secured under the unit if the >user needs to utilize the note taker while >walking. The large zipper pocket can store your >ear buds and other items which provide security >and protection. It is designed to enable the >user to utilize your Braille Sense On Hand while >the case is on. The case is equipped with black >plastic hooks to provide security, durability >and safety. EPI continues the tradition of >creating functional, durable and beautiful fitted cases. Made in the U.S.A. > >****Shipment will begin on Nov 9, 2012**** > >•The Braille Sense On-Hand will not slip out of this case. > >•Accessibility to data ports, headphone, all keys and other ports. > >•The zipper pocket may be used to store date cards, ear buds, etc. > >•Keyboard is exposed while the cover is open > >•Extremely durable with a superior design. >Price $80.00 > >Link below >https://www.executiveproductsinc.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=277&products_id=1932 > >If you need help with ordering please call us at 818-833-8080 > > >Executive Products Inc. >tback_yellow-1 > >12900 Bradley Ave. >Sylmar Ca. 91342. >Fax: 818-833-5890 >Office: 818-833-8080 >Mobile: 818-723-8444 >www.ExecutiveProductsinc.com > > From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 16:23:58 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 09:23:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or the University of Phoenix? In-Reply-To: References: <0130A6A2F83F4C9099F9A1A63A9927DA@Lisa> Message-ID: <1F1F4CBB668E41D2A1E42CCCFB55C4DB@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, If you get excepted anywhere else, don't go to CSU, I'm there now and unless you have the option to take many classes privately or you want a very long degree, you don't want to go there. If prop 30 doesn't pass we can basically wave good bye to what little CSU we have and find another college. Something you can use as justification for going to that online college is the fact it is 100% online, so you don't have to worry about housing, accessibility, books, transportation, new mobility for each quarter, or your lecturers being laid off. You may also want to say that the coursework will be a great deal less stressful because you don't need to focus on more than one class at a time. If you have problems concentrating, this would be something never done by any other college. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:35 PM To: Everett Gavel ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or the University of Phoenix? Hello, I have experience with PPCC and with UCCS, so if you have any questions, please let me know. I also know of a couple of people that attend CSU. Thanks. On 11/1/12, Everett Gavel wrote: > Hi All, > > Anyone here attended or researched going to Pike's Peak Community College > (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), Colorado State > University (CSU), or the University of Phoenix? If so, could I please talk > with you off-list? > > I'm attending college online at a private college, Ashford University > (based > > in Iowa). It's very accessible, and should be for at least the first 2 > years, they say. They use some Constellation teaching system, rather than > something like Blackboard. Also, the reason I chose it was first for > accessibility, but a close second was the fact that they only give you 1 > class at a time, each class being 5 weeks long, and you still get your 120 > credit hours in 4 years or whatever the requirement is for a 4-year > degree. > > I mean, come on, how cool is that? Only 1 class at a time? I never heard > of > > such a thing before, but as soon as I did I jumped on the opportunity. > > Anyway, Vocational Rehab here in Colorado will pay for my schooling, and > they may even pay for this private University. But I have to of course > show > > why it's the best choice after looking at local/Colorado schools and maybe > another online option. So I'm going to look at Pike's Peak Community > College > > (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), & Colorado > State > > University (CSU), as well as the University of Phoenix. > > My question is, has anyone here already researched or used these > facilities? > > Can I talk with you or hear from you on your experience, or why you did or > did not end up attending that particular school? How was the accessibility > of it all for you, etc. Has anyone here been to any of these 4 schools? > > Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > > Strive On! > Everett > everett at everettgavel.com > (330) 604-5750 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Cordially, Nimer Jaber Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains some information about the email you have just read and all attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk. The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is up to you. Thanks. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank you, and have a great day! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 17:24:14 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 11:24:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or the University of Phoenix? In-Reply-To: <1F1F4CBB668E41D2A1E42CCCFB55C4DB@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <0130A6A2F83F4C9099F9A1A63A9927DA@Lisa> <1F1F4CBB668E41D2A1E42CCCFB55C4DB@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Hi Brandon, I think you and Everett are talking about different places. Everett asked about Colorado State University (CSU). Brandon, are you referring to that CSU or the one in California? Since we don't have a Prop 30 on our ballot here in CO, I think you may be referring to the one in CA. I personally think that arguments about which school is best should relate to what is best for your career goals. What are you ultimately hoping to get your degree in and what do you plan to do with that degree? You want to show that whatever school you select will help you to earn a degree that will ultimately allow you to become employed. If you have family duties, or a part-time job or internship now, you can say that the part-time online classes will best accommodate your other career and family needs. However, I would recommend picking the school with the best program, not the one with the easiest program. I personally believe that all schools are about the same in terms of accessibility. Some schools provide more direct support services than others, but a blind student can be very successful at a school without formal disability services, and a school with formal disability services may be spread so thin that it cannot provide good and consistent accommodations to every student all the time. There are national services, such as Learning Ally and BookShare, that can enable textbook access regardless of which school you attend, and most professors are quite willing to allow access to their course materials. Finally, no matter where you are, you have the option to use readers. In doing your research I would recommend talking to faculty or advisors in your specific field of study at the various schools you are considering to get information about that program of study, rather than focusing on blindness-related concerns. That will allow you to figure out which school has the best course of study in your specific field, which is something that blind folks in different majors may not be able to tell you. Then you can give a report to VR that is focused on your career goals. If, however, your plans for school are more exploratory in nature--just taking a class or two here and there--then you are probably better off paying for the classes yourself and not worrying about research or justification. Best, Arielle On 11/3/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > If you get excepted anywhere else, don't go to CSU, I'm there now and unless > > you have the option to take many classes privately or you want a very long > degree, you don't want to go there. If prop 30 doesn't pass we can basically > > wave good bye to what little CSU we have and find another college. > Something you can use as justification for going to that online college is > the fact it is 100% online, so you don't have to worry about housing, > accessibility, books, transportation, new mobility for each quarter, or your > > lecturers being laid off. You may also want to say that the coursework will > > be a great deal less stressful because you don't need to focus on more than > > one class at a time. If you have problems concentrating, this would be > something never done by any other college. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:35 PM > To: Everett Gavel ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or > the University of Phoenix? > > Hello, > > I have experience with PPCC and with UCCS, so if you have any > questions, please let me know. I also know of a couple of people that > attend CSU. > > Thanks. > > On 11/1/12, Everett Gavel wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Anyone here attended or researched going to Pike's Peak Community College >> (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), Colorado State >> University (CSU), or the University of Phoenix? If so, could I please >> talk >> with you off-list? >> >> I'm attending college online at a private college, Ashford University >> (based >> >> in Iowa). It's very accessible, and should be for at least the first 2 >> years, they say. They use some Constellation teaching system, rather than >> something like Blackboard. Also, the reason I chose it was first for >> accessibility, but a close second was the fact that they only give you 1 >> class at a time, each class being 5 weeks long, and you still get your >> 120 >> credit hours in 4 years or whatever the requirement is for a 4-year >> degree. >> >> I mean, come on, how cool is that? Only 1 class at a time? I never heard >> of >> >> such a thing before, but as soon as I did I jumped on the opportunity. >> >> Anyway, Vocational Rehab here in Colorado will pay for my schooling, and >> they may even pay for this private University. But I have to of course >> show >> >> why it's the best choice after looking at local/Colorado schools and >> maybe >> another online option. So I'm going to look at Pike's Peak Community >> College >> >> (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), & Colorado >> State >> >> University (CSU), as well as the University of Phoenix. >> >> My question is, has anyone here already researched or used these >> facilities? >> >> Can I talk with you or hear from you on your experience, or why you did >> or >> did not end up attending that particular school? How was the >> accessibility >> of it all for you, etc. Has anyone here been to any of these 4 schools? >> >> Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. >> >> >> Strive On! >> Everett >> everett at everettgavel.com >> (330) 604-5750 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cordially, > > Nimer Jaber > > Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains > some information about the email you have just read and all > attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and > methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk. > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was > addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, > please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this > correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents > by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or > criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding > attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is > up to you. Thanks. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) > (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank > you, and have a great day! > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 18:12:50 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 13:12:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone Message-ID: Hi all, I am a new iPhone user and was wonderingif someone could tell me how to deleate a contact from my list? I know you can double click on the contact and hit the edit button, but it doesn't seem that the name of the contact is removed from the list. Thanks for any suggestions! Gloria From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 19:14:45 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 12:14:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or the University of Phoenix? In-Reply-To: References: <0130A6A2F83F4C9099F9A1A63A9927DA@Lisa><1F1F4CBB668E41D2A1E42CCCFB55C4DB@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <67141EC335164BAA9713CDAA00D2ECE2@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, I'm sorry, I was talking about CA, I didn't read the subject line! We have UCs and CSUs, so it through me off... I'm sorry, but still, the justification reasons are what I would use. The idea behind Department of rehabilitation is not what will serve your career goals best, but what school will get you into the work force the cheapest. They don't look at employment rates out of colleges, but just the price. (That is what they did with me). I wanted to go to a private school and I was told CSU tuition or nothing, even though the private school was 45 grand a year. I didn't get excepted there, but a blind friend who is there told me he gets the 7 grand a year that he would get if he was CSUs. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:24 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or the University of Phoenix? Hi Brandon, I think you and Everett are talking about different places. Everett asked about Colorado State University (CSU). Brandon, are you referring to that CSU or the one in California? Since we don't have a Prop 30 on our ballot here in CO, I think you may be referring to the one in CA. I personally think that arguments about which school is best should relate to what is best for your career goals. What are you ultimately hoping to get your degree in and what do you plan to do with that degree? You want to show that whatever school you select will help you to earn a degree that will ultimately allow you to become employed. If you have family duties, or a part-time job or internship now, you can say that the part-time online classes will best accommodate your other career and family needs. However, I would recommend picking the school with the best program, not the one with the easiest program. I personally believe that all schools are about the same in terms of accessibility. Some schools provide more direct support services than others, but a blind student can be very successful at a school without formal disability services, and a school with formal disability services may be spread so thin that it cannot provide good and consistent accommodations to every student all the time. There are national services, such as Learning Ally and BookShare, that can enable textbook access regardless of which school you attend, and most professors are quite willing to allow access to their course materials. Finally, no matter where you are, you have the option to use readers. In doing your research I would recommend talking to faculty or advisors in your specific field of study at the various schools you are considering to get information about that program of study, rather than focusing on blindness-related concerns. That will allow you to figure out which school has the best course of study in your specific field, which is something that blind folks in different majors may not be able to tell you. Then you can give a report to VR that is focused on your career goals. If, however, your plans for school are more exploratory in nature--just taking a class or two here and there--then you are probably better off paying for the classes yourself and not worrying about research or justification. Best, Arielle On 11/3/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > If you get excepted anywhere else, don't go to CSU, I'm there now and > unless > > you have the option to take many classes privately or you want a very long > degree, you don't want to go there. If prop 30 doesn't pass we can > basically > > wave good bye to what little CSU we have and find another college. > Something you can use as justification for going to that online college is > the fact it is 100% online, so you don't have to worry about housing, > accessibility, books, transportation, new mobility for each quarter, or > your > > lecturers being laid off. You may also want to say that the coursework > will > > be a great deal less stressful because you don't need to focus on more > than > > one class at a time. If you have problems concentrating, this would be > something never done by any other college. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:35 PM > To: Everett Gavel ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or > the University of Phoenix? > > Hello, > > I have experience with PPCC and with UCCS, so if you have any > questions, please let me know. I also know of a couple of people that > attend CSU. > > Thanks. > > On 11/1/12, Everett Gavel wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Anyone here attended or researched going to Pike's Peak Community College >> (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), Colorado State >> University (CSU), or the University of Phoenix? If so, could I please >> talk >> with you off-list? >> >> I'm attending college online at a private college, Ashford University >> (based >> >> in Iowa). It's very accessible, and should be for at least the first 2 >> years, they say. They use some Constellation teaching system, rather than >> something like Blackboard. Also, the reason I chose it was first for >> accessibility, but a close second was the fact that they only give you 1 >> class at a time, each class being 5 weeks long, and you still get your >> 120 >> credit hours in 4 years or whatever the requirement is for a 4-year >> degree. >> >> I mean, come on, how cool is that? Only 1 class at a time? I never heard >> of >> >> such a thing before, but as soon as I did I jumped on the opportunity. >> >> Anyway, Vocational Rehab here in Colorado will pay for my schooling, and >> they may even pay for this private University. But I have to of course >> show >> >> why it's the best choice after looking at local/Colorado schools and >> maybe >> another online option. So I'm going to look at Pike's Peak Community >> College >> >> (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), & Colorado >> State >> >> University (CSU), as well as the University of Phoenix. >> >> My question is, has anyone here already researched or used these >> facilities? >> >> Can I talk with you or hear from you on your experience, or why you did >> or >> did not end up attending that particular school? How was the >> accessibility >> of it all for you, etc. Has anyone here been to any of these 4 schools? >> >> Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. >> >> >> Strive On! >> Everett >> everett at everettgavel.com >> (330) 604-5750 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cordially, > > Nimer Jaber > > Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains > some information about the email you have just read and all > attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and > methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk. > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was > addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, > please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this > correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents > by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or > criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding > attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is > up to you. Thanks. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) > (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank > you, and have a great day! > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Sat Nov 3 19:48:31 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:48:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: New Textbook Available MSIE 9 with JFW 14 Message-ID: > >I'm pleased to announce the release of "An Immersion into Internet Explorer >9 with JAWS for Window 14." This textbook is now available for purchase and >immediate download. For more information and to purchase your copy, please >visit: http://www.blindtraining.com/shop/msie-jfw14.htm > > > >CathyAnne > > > >CathyAnne Murtha > >Director > >Access Technology Institute > >(520) 300-7859 > >cathy at blindtraining.com > >www.twitter.com/CathyAnneMurtha > >www.blindtraining.com > >Zello: CathyAnne > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > >_______________________________________________ >News mailing list >News at lists.blindtraining.com >http://lists.blindtraining.com/listinfo.cgi/news-blindtraining.com From dandrews at visi.com Sat Nov 3 19:57:04 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:57:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: JAWS for Windows 14 Textbook Available Message-ID: > >I'm pleased to announce the release of An Immersion into JAWS for Windows >14. If you purchased our JAWS 13 textbook, please check your email. You've >received a free upgrade to the JAWS 14 textbook. > > > >To review the table of contents and purchase your copy of the textbook, >please visit: > > > >http://www.blindtraining.com/shop/jfw14.htm > > > >CathyAnne > > > >CathyAnne Murtha > >Director > >Access Technology Institute > >(520) 300-7859 > >cathy at blindtraining.com > >www.twitter.com/CathyAnneMurtha > >www.blindtraining.com > >Zello: CathyAnne > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > >_______________________________________________ >News mailing list >News at lists.blindtraining.com >http://lists.blindtraining.com/listinfo.cgi/news-blindtraining.com From dandrews at visi.com Sat Nov 3 20:06:09 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:06:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: help the Columbia chapter win $500 to be used for a scholarship we give every year!! Message-ID: > >Hi everyone, please go to the following website and vote for the NFB >MO Columbia chapter for us to win a $500 grant that we will use for a >scholarship we give every year to a blind woman attending college. >Here is the link, please vote every day in November. > >http://www.mastertechplumbing.com/charity/nfbmo-columbia-chapter/ >Make sure to share with your friends. > >Thank you, > >Dacia Luck From dandrews at visi.com Sat Nov 3 20:11:28 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:11:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Access Technology Trainer Positions Available for Varied Time Zones Message-ID: > >Access Technology Institute is expanding into the world-wide training >market. We're seeking qualified individuals to work with students in our >Trainer Certification Course and general training courses. All classes are >held online and all materials for the training classes are provided. > > > >The candidates for these positions will be motivated individuals who commit >themselves wholly to working with our students. We're seeking individuals >who work well with minimal supervision and who are available for training >classes held in the afternoon or early evening in your time zone. > > > >We'll provide all necessary training. Selected candidates will attend the >Access Technology Certification Course at our cost prior to teaching classes >on our behalf. You must be willing to teach the classes using our protocols. > > > >Qualifications for the position include: > >* A working understanding of screen technology > >* A desire to learn new applications and stay current in the >technology taught by ATI > >* Lives in the UK/Europe, India, or Australia/New Zealand time zones > >* Fluent in English > >* Excellent writing and communication skills > >* Ability to maintain a professional demeanor with students and staff >of ATI > >* Excellent reputation on the Internet in both Social Networking and >Professional Capacity > >* Able to work with students and resolve issues that may arise > >* Willing to attend the Trainer Certification Course (the hours may >be a bit odd for you but live classes are only once per week) > > > >Once training is complete, duties include: > >* Speak with prospective students about the training courses. > >* Facilitate enrollment by students in the training courses. > >* Attend and facilitate live voice chat classes each week to work >with students (the first four weeks of each month) > >* Attend and facilitate one study hall session for students on >Saturdays (the first four Saturdays of each month) > >* Grade tests and return them to students with comments > >* Work directly with the Director of Student Services > >* Submit monthly progress reports for each student > >* Be available to attend conventions and trade shows to represent >Access Technology Institute at our expense (if requested) > >* Have the software necessary for the classes on your computer. (ATI >doesn't provide software) > >* Commit yourself to training only for ATI in the online environment >and not compete with us in online training. Candidates are welcome to work >for outside agencies as long as they don't compete with ATI for students. > >* Compensation will be discussed during the live interview > > > >To apply for these positions, please send your resume to: >cathy at blihdtraining.com and submit the >online application located at: >http://www.attrainers.com/trainer_application.php > > > >CathyAnne > > > >CathyAnne Murtha > >Director > >Access Technology Institute > >(520) 300-7859 > >cathy at blindtraining.com > >www.twitter.com/CathyAnneMurtha > >www.blindtraining.com > >Zello: CathyAnne > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > >_______________________________________________ >News mailing list >News at lists.blindtraining.com >http://lists.blindtraining.com/listinfo.cgi/news-blindtraining.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 20:29:26 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:29:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or the University of Phoenix? In-Reply-To: <67141EC335164BAA9713CDAA00D2ECE2@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <0130A6A2F83F4C9099F9A1A63A9927DA@Lisa> <1F1F4CBB668E41D2A1E42CCCFB55C4DB@BrandonsLaptop2> <67141EC335164BAA9713CDAA00D2ECE2@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Right, but aren't you most likely to get into the workforce if you attend the best school? If you want to attend a private university that isn't the cheapest option, and you want VR to foot the bill, then you need to justify why VR should put in the extra money to send you there. Seems the most reasonable justification for spending more is to get a better-quality education that increases your chances of becoming employed and closing your case. Arielle On 11/3/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > I'm sorry, I was talking about CA, I didn't read the subject line! We have > UCs and CSUs, so it through me off... > I'm sorry, but still, the justification reasons are what I would use. > The idea behind Department of rehabilitation is not what will serve your > career goals best, but what school will get you into the work force the > cheapest. They don't look at employment rates out of colleges, but just the > > price. (That is what they did with me). I wanted to go to a private school > and I was told CSU tuition or nothing, even though the private school was 45 > > grand a year. I didn't get excepted there, but a blind friend who is there > told me he gets the 7 grand a year that he would get if he was CSUs. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:24 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or > the University of Phoenix? > > Hi Brandon, > I think you and Everett are talking about different places. Everett > asked about Colorado State University (CSU). Brandon, are you > referring to that CSU or the one in California? Since we don't have a > Prop 30 on our ballot here in CO, I think you may be referring to the > one in CA. > I personally think that arguments about which school is best should > relate to what is best for your career goals. What are you ultimately > hoping to get your degree in and what do you plan to do with that > degree? You want to show that whatever school you select will help you > to earn a degree that will ultimately allow you to become employed. If > you have family duties, or a part-time job or internship now, you can > say that the part-time online classes will best accommodate your other > career and family needs. However, I would recommend picking the school > with the best program, not the one with the easiest program. > I personally believe that all schools are about the same in terms of > accessibility. Some schools provide more direct support services than > others, but a blind student can be very successful at a school without > formal disability services, and a school with formal disability > services may be spread so thin that it cannot provide good and > consistent accommodations to every student all the time. There are > national services, such as Learning Ally and BookShare, that can > enable textbook access regardless of which school you attend, and most > professors are quite willing to allow access to their course > materials. Finally, no matter where you are, you have the option to > use readers. > In doing your research I would recommend talking to faculty or > advisors in your specific field of study at the various schools you > are considering to get information about that program of study, rather > than focusing on blindness-related concerns. That will allow you to > figure out which school has the best course of study in your specific > field, which is something that blind folks in different majors may not > be able to tell you. Then you can give a report to VR that is focused > on your career goals. If, however, your plans for school are more > exploratory in nature--just taking a class or two here and there--then > you are probably better off paying for the classes yourself and not > worrying about research or justification. > Best, > Arielle > > On 11/3/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> If you get excepted anywhere else, don't go to CSU, I'm there now and >> unless >> >> you have the option to take many classes privately or you want a very >> long >> degree, you don't want to go there. If prop 30 doesn't pass we can >> basically >> >> wave good bye to what little CSU we have and find another college. >> Something you can use as justification for going to that online college >> is >> the fact it is 100% online, so you don't have to worry about housing, >> accessibility, books, transportation, new mobility for each quarter, or >> your >> >> lecturers being laid off. You may also want to say that the coursework >> will >> >> be a great deal less stressful because you don't need to focus on more >> than >> >> one class at a time. If you have problems concentrating, this would be >> something never done by any other college. >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ >> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:35 PM >> To: Everett Gavel ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or >> the University of Phoenix? >> >> Hello, >> >> I have experience with PPCC and with UCCS, so if you have any >> questions, please let me know. I also know of a couple of people that >> attend CSU. >> >> Thanks. >> >> On 11/1/12, Everett Gavel wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Anyone here attended or researched going to Pike's Peak Community >>> College >>> (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), Colorado >>> State >>> University (CSU), or the University of Phoenix? If so, could I please >>> talk >>> with you off-list? >>> >>> I'm attending college online at a private college, Ashford University >>> (based >>> >>> in Iowa). It's very accessible, and should be for at least the first 2 >>> years, they say. They use some Constellation teaching system, rather >>> than >>> something like Blackboard. Also, the reason I chose it was first for >>> accessibility, but a close second was the fact that they only give you 1 >>> class at a time, each class being 5 weeks long, and you still get your >>> 120 >>> credit hours in 4 years or whatever the requirement is for a 4-year >>> degree. >>> >>> I mean, come on, how cool is that? Only 1 class at a time? I never heard >>> of >>> >>> such a thing before, but as soon as I did I jumped on the opportunity. >>> >>> Anyway, Vocational Rehab here in Colorado will pay for my schooling, and >>> they may even pay for this private University. But I have to of course >>> show >>> >>> why it's the best choice after looking at local/Colorado schools and >>> maybe >>> another online option. So I'm going to look at Pike's Peak Community >>> College >>> >>> (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), & Colorado >>> State >>> >>> University (CSU), as well as the University of Phoenix. >>> >>> My question is, has anyone here already researched or used these >>> facilities? >>> >>> Can I talk with you or hear from you on your experience, or why you did >>> or >>> did not end up attending that particular school? How was the >>> accessibility >>> of it all for you, etc. Has anyone here been to any of these 4 schools? >>> >>> Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> Strive On! >>> Everett >>> everett at everettgavel.com >>> (330) 604-5750 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cordially, >> >> Nimer Jaber >> >> Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains >> some information about the email you have just read and all >> attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and >> methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk. >> >> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was >> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, >> please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this >> correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents >> by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or >> criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding >> attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is >> up to you. Thanks. >> >> Registered Linux User 529141. >> http://counter.li.org/ >> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, >> please click here: >> http://www.vinuxproject.org >> >> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP >> and above, please click here: >> http://www.nvda-project.org >> >> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. >> >> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >> http://nimertech.blogspot.com >> >> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) >> (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank >> you, and have a great day! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sat Nov 3 20:46:41 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:46:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Checking boxes in word documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, it probably depends on how they create it. I would try switching to JAWS cursor and see if you can move it into the box, then route PC to JAWS, read current word to see where it is, it may check it, or you may need to press space bar, or it may not work at all. These things tend to take experimentation. After routing you might need to double click mouse instead. Dave At 03:44 PM 10/31/2012, you wrote: >When I encounter documents that require a check mark, I usually put an >x in the places I want to check. However I have noticed that many >documents now have check boxes imbedded into them, and I am guessing >that a sighted person would click inside these boxes if they want to >check them. > >I am a JAWS user, and I have encountered difficulty doing this. If the >document isn't super important, then I just delete the check boxes and >x the choice I want to check. But when documents are important, what >is the best way to go about this? > >Thanks. > > >-- >Cindy Bennett >B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > >clb5590 at gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 21:14:12 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:14:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or the University of Phoenix? In-Reply-To: References: <0130A6A2F83F4C9099F9A1A63A9927DA@Lisa><1F1F4CBB668E41D2A1E42CCCFB55C4DB@BrandonsLaptop2><67141EC335164BAA9713CDAA00D2ECE2@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Hello, My counselor said that is not really how the system works. She said they want you employed, not necessarily in the specialized job you are wanting to do. She said she only knew of one case in her 20 years that DOR funded a private college. That was in an economic boom, the man wanted to be a motorcycle repairman and there was no degree like that anywhere in the state system. I had professionals write letters to DOR, I had multiple research papers on the merits of private schools in my profession vs public forwarded to my counselor and I spent hours on the phone trying to make my counselor understand what makes someone with a degree from a private college significantly more hirable than from a state college in my profession. It was all for nothing in the end as I didn't get excepted into any private colleges, but I never did get the OK from DOR to pay more than the 7 grand a year. Now I'm at a state college and definitely I see the quality in general is just miles below the private colleges I wanted to attend, but what can I do other than to start a million clubs to make life better for myself here... LOL Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or the University of Phoenix? Right, but aren't you most likely to get into the workforce if you attend the best school? If you want to attend a private university that isn't the cheapest option, and you want VR to foot the bill, then you need to justify why VR should put in the extra money to send you there. Seems the most reasonable justification for spending more is to get a better-quality education that increases your chances of becoming employed and closing your case. Arielle On 11/3/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > I'm sorry, I was talking about CA, I didn't read the subject line! We have > UCs and CSUs, so it through me off... > I'm sorry, but still, the justification reasons are what I would use. > The idea behind Department of rehabilitation is not what will serve your > career goals best, but what school will get you into the work force the > cheapest. They don't look at employment rates out of colleges, but just > the > > price. (That is what they did with me). I wanted to go to a private school > and I was told CSU tuition or nothing, even though the private school was > 45 > > grand a year. I didn't get excepted there, but a blind friend who is there > told me he gets the 7 grand a year that he would get if he was CSUs. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:24 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or > the University of Phoenix? > > Hi Brandon, > I think you and Everett are talking about different places. Everett > asked about Colorado State University (CSU). Brandon, are you > referring to that CSU or the one in California? Since we don't have a > Prop 30 on our ballot here in CO, I think you may be referring to the > one in CA. > I personally think that arguments about which school is best should > relate to what is best for your career goals. What are you ultimately > hoping to get your degree in and what do you plan to do with that > degree? You want to show that whatever school you select will help you > to earn a degree that will ultimately allow you to become employed. If > you have family duties, or a part-time job or internship now, you can > say that the part-time online classes will best accommodate your other > career and family needs. However, I would recommend picking the school > with the best program, not the one with the easiest program. > I personally believe that all schools are about the same in terms of > accessibility. Some schools provide more direct support services than > others, but a blind student can be very successful at a school without > formal disability services, and a school with formal disability > services may be spread so thin that it cannot provide good and > consistent accommodations to every student all the time. There are > national services, such as Learning Ally and BookShare, that can > enable textbook access regardless of which school you attend, and most > professors are quite willing to allow access to their course > materials. Finally, no matter where you are, you have the option to > use readers. > In doing your research I would recommend talking to faculty or > advisors in your specific field of study at the various schools you > are considering to get information about that program of study, rather > than focusing on blindness-related concerns. That will allow you to > figure out which school has the best course of study in your specific > field, which is something that blind folks in different majors may not > be able to tell you. Then you can give a report to VR that is focused > on your career goals. If, however, your plans for school are more > exploratory in nature--just taking a class or two here and there--then > you are probably better off paying for the classes yourself and not > worrying about research or justification. > Best, > Arielle > > On 11/3/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> If you get excepted anywhere else, don't go to CSU, I'm there now and >> unless >> >> you have the option to take many classes privately or you want a very >> long >> degree, you don't want to go there. If prop 30 doesn't pass we can >> basically >> >> wave good bye to what little CSU we have and find another college. >> Something you can use as justification for going to that online college >> is >> the fact it is 100% online, so you don't have to worry about housing, >> accessibility, books, transportation, new mobility for each quarter, or >> your >> >> lecturers being laid off. You may also want to say that the coursework >> will >> >> be a great deal less stressful because you don't need to focus on more >> than >> >> one class at a time. If you have problems concentrating, this would be >> something never done by any other college. >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ >> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:35 PM >> To: Everett Gavel ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or >> the University of Phoenix? >> >> Hello, >> >> I have experience with PPCC and with UCCS, so if you have any >> questions, please let me know. I also know of a couple of people that >> attend CSU. >> >> Thanks. >> >> On 11/1/12, Everett Gavel wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Anyone here attended or researched going to Pike's Peak Community >>> College >>> (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), Colorado >>> State >>> University (CSU), or the University of Phoenix? If so, could I please >>> talk >>> with you off-list? >>> >>> I'm attending college online at a private college, Ashford University >>> (based >>> >>> in Iowa). It's very accessible, and should be for at least the first 2 >>> years, they say. They use some Constellation teaching system, rather >>> than >>> something like Blackboard. Also, the reason I chose it was first for >>> accessibility, but a close second was the fact that they only give you 1 >>> class at a time, each class being 5 weeks long, and you still get your >>> 120 >>> credit hours in 4 years or whatever the requirement is for a 4-year >>> degree. >>> >>> I mean, come on, how cool is that? Only 1 class at a time? I never heard >>> of >>> >>> such a thing before, but as soon as I did I jumped on the opportunity. >>> >>> Anyway, Vocational Rehab here in Colorado will pay for my schooling, and >>> they may even pay for this private University. But I have to of course >>> show >>> >>> why it's the best choice after looking at local/Colorado schools and >>> maybe >>> another online option. So I'm going to look at Pike's Peak Community >>> College >>> >>> (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), & Colorado >>> State >>> >>> University (CSU), as well as the University of Phoenix. >>> >>> My question is, has anyone here already researched or used these >>> facilities? >>> >>> Can I talk with you or hear from you on your experience, or why you did >>> or >>> did not end up attending that particular school? How was the >>> accessibility >>> of it all for you, etc. Has anyone here been to any of these 4 schools? >>> >>> Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> Strive On! >>> Everett >>> everett at everettgavel.com >>> (330) 604-5750 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cordially, >> >> Nimer Jaber >> >> Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains >> some information about the email you have just read and all >> attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and >> methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk. >> >> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was >> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, >> please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this >> correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents >> by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or >> criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding >> attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is >> up to you. Thanks. >> >> Registered Linux User 529141. >> http://counter.li.org/ >> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, >> please click here: >> http://www.vinuxproject.org >> >> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP >> and above, please click here: >> http://www.nvda-project.org >> >> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. >> >> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >> http://nimertech.blogspot.com >> >> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) >> (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank >> you, and have a great day! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 21:29:13 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:29:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Checking boxes in word documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A big shoutout to my friend Humberto who emailed me off list and shared these directions with me. I am pasting them here if anyone else encounters this. 1. Once you arrow your cursor and place it in your checkbox, using the left or right arrow keys, once you land on the box, press the right click (or applications key) that is to the right of the start menu key in the lower right of the keyboard, if using a laptop, this key might be located differently. 2. This places you in a context menu, which is your menu of choices. At this point, down arrow until you hear “properties”, or simply press the letter R to quickly jump there. 3. Once you do that, you will land on a form field properties dialog box, at this point, press tab until you hear “Not Checked radio button checked.” These are radio buttons, so hit down arrow to the option “checked radio button”, then, press the enter key to close the box. 4. At this time, your checkbox should be checked. Unless you print out your document and turn it in, you won’t know how exactly your checkbox is really checked or the look of it, but otherwise you should be fine. These check boxes are not easily navicable. I found that they were typically in the "space" before the descriptor. For example, if you have yes and no check boxes on the same line of the document, when my curssor was on the "space" before the word "yes," when I right clicked, the opportunity to check the box came up. If you right click, and that option is not there, then you are not on the check box. And if more than one option is on one line, find where all of the check boxes are before checking one. JAWS did not indicate verbally when I checked a box. It still indicated that all options were unchecked. However, when I double checked, JAWS would indicate in the choices in the menu after right clicking that the box I wanted was, in fact, checked. I am having a sighted person review it, and they will let me know if this is actually true. So right now, the inability to review a document that someone else has filled out is frustrating, but I am happy for the successful directions. Cindy On 11/3/12, David Andrews wrote: > Well, it probably depends on how they create it. I would try > switching to JAWS cursor and see if you can move it into the box, > then route PC to JAWS, read current word to see where it is, it may > check it, or you may need to press space bar, or it may not work at all. > > These things tend to take experimentation. After routing you might > need to double click mouse instead. > > Dave > > At 03:44 PM 10/31/2012, you wrote: >>When I encounter documents that require a check mark, I usually put an >>x in the places I want to check. However I have noticed that many >>documents now have check boxes imbedded into them, and I am guessing >>that a sighted person would click inside these boxes if they want to >>check them. >> >>I am a JAWS user, and I have encountered difficulty doing this. If the >>document isn't super important, then I just delete the check boxes and >>x the choice I want to check. But when documents are important, what >>is the best way to go about this? >> >>Thanks. >> >> >>-- >>Cindy Bennett >>B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >>clb5590 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 02:29:43 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty dawn Bradley) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:29:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or the University of Phoenix? In-Reply-To: References: <0130A6A2F83F4C9099F9A1A63A9927DA@Lisa> <1F1F4CBB668E41D2A1E42CCCFB55C4DB@BrandonsLaptop2> <67141EC335164BAA9713CDAA00D2ECE2@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: I also tried to get VR in TX to approve an online only school due to lack of child care for my young daughter and they also refused because it was private. Misty Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2012, at 5:14 PM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" wrote: > Hello, > My counselor said that is not really how the system works. She said they want you employed, not necessarily in the specialized job you are wanting to do. She said she only knew of one case in her 20 years that DOR funded a private college. That was in an economic boom, the man wanted to be a motorcycle repairman and there was no degree like that anywhere in the state system. > I had professionals write letters to DOR, I had multiple research papers on the merits of private schools in my profession vs public forwarded to my counselor and I spent hours on the phone trying to make my counselor understand what makes someone with a degree from a private college significantly more hirable than from a state college in my profession. > It was all for nothing in the end as I didn't get excepted into any private colleges, but I never did get the OK from DOR to pay more than the 7 grand a year. > Now I'm at a state college and definitely I see the quality in general is just miles below the private colleges I wanted to attend, but what can I do other than to start a million clubs to make life better for myself here... LOL > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:29 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or the University of Phoenix? > > Right, but aren't you most likely to get into the workforce if you > attend the best school? > If you want to attend a private university that isn't the cheapest > option, and you want VR to foot the bill, then you need to justify why > VR should put in the extra money to send you there. Seems the most > reasonable justification for spending more is to get a better-quality > education that increases your chances of becoming employed and closing > your case. > Arielle > > On 11/3/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> I'm sorry, I was talking about CA, I didn't read the subject line! We have >> UCs and CSUs, so it through me off... >> I'm sorry, but still, the justification reasons are what I would use. >> The idea behind Department of rehabilitation is not what will serve your >> career goals best, but what school will get you into the work force the >> cheapest. They don't look at employment rates out of colleges, but just the >> >> price. (That is what they did with me). I wanted to go to a private school >> and I was told CSU tuition or nothing, even though the private school was 45 >> >> grand a year. I didn't get excepted there, but a blind friend who is there >> told me he gets the 7 grand a year that he would get if he was CSUs. >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:24 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or >> the University of Phoenix? >> >> Hi Brandon, >> I think you and Everett are talking about different places. Everett >> asked about Colorado State University (CSU). Brandon, are you >> referring to that CSU or the one in California? Since we don't have a >> Prop 30 on our ballot here in CO, I think you may be referring to the >> one in CA. >> I personally think that arguments about which school is best should >> relate to what is best for your career goals. What are you ultimately >> hoping to get your degree in and what do you plan to do with that >> degree? You want to show that whatever school you select will help you >> to earn a degree that will ultimately allow you to become employed. If >> you have family duties, or a part-time job or internship now, you can >> say that the part-time online classes will best accommodate your other >> career and family needs. However, I would recommend picking the school >> with the best program, not the one with the easiest program. >> I personally believe that all schools are about the same in terms of >> accessibility. Some schools provide more direct support services than >> others, but a blind student can be very successful at a school without >> formal disability services, and a school with formal disability >> services may be spread so thin that it cannot provide good and >> consistent accommodations to every student all the time. There are >> national services, such as Learning Ally and BookShare, that can >> enable textbook access regardless of which school you attend, and most >> professors are quite willing to allow access to their course >> materials. Finally, no matter where you are, you have the option to >> use readers. >> In doing your research I would recommend talking to faculty or >> advisors in your specific field of study at the various schools you >> are considering to get information about that program of study, rather >> than focusing on blindness-related concerns. That will allow you to >> figure out which school has the best course of study in your specific >> field, which is something that blind folks in different majors may not >> be able to tell you. Then you can give a report to VR that is focused >> on your career goals. If, however, your plans for school are more >> exploratory in nature--just taking a class or two here and there--then >> you are probably better off paying for the classes yourself and not >> worrying about research or justification. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 11/3/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>> Hello, >>> If you get excepted anywhere else, don't go to CSU, I'm there now and >>> unless >>> >>> you have the option to take many classes privately or you want a very >>> long >>> degree, you don't want to go there. If prop 30 doesn't pass we can >>> basically >>> >>> wave good bye to what little CSU we have and find another college. >>> Something you can use as justification for going to that online college >>> is >>> the fact it is 100% online, so you don't have to worry about housing, >>> accessibility, books, transportation, new mobility for each quarter, or >>> your >>> >>> lecturers being laid off. You may also want to say that the coursework >>> will >>> >>> be a great deal less stressful because you don't need to focus on more >>> than >>> >>> one class at a time. If you have problems concentrating, this would be >>> something never done by any other college. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ >>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:35 PM >>> To: Everett Gavel ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Have You Researched or Attended Colorado Schools or >>> the University of Phoenix? >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have experience with PPCC and with UCCS, so if you have any >>> questions, please let me know. I also know of a couple of people that >>> attend CSU. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> On 11/1/12, Everett Gavel wrote: >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Anyone here attended or researched going to Pike's Peak Community >>>> College >>>> (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), Colorado >>>> State >>>> University (CSU), or the University of Phoenix? If so, could I please >>>> talk >>>> with you off-list? >>>> >>>> I'm attending college online at a private college, Ashford University >>>> (based >>>> >>>> in Iowa). It's very accessible, and should be for at least the first 2 >>>> years, they say. They use some Constellation teaching system, rather >>>> than >>>> something like Blackboard. Also, the reason I chose it was first for >>>> accessibility, but a close second was the fact that they only give you 1 >>>> class at a time, each class being 5 weeks long, and you still get your >>>> 120 >>>> credit hours in 4 years or whatever the requirement is for a 4-year >>>> degree. >>>> >>>> I mean, come on, how cool is that? Only 1 class at a time? I never heard >>>> of >>>> >>>> such a thing before, but as soon as I did I jumped on the opportunity. >>>> >>>> Anyway, Vocational Rehab here in Colorado will pay for my schooling, and >>>> they may even pay for this private University. But I have to of course >>>> show >>>> >>>> why it's the best choice after looking at local/Colorado schools and >>>> maybe >>>> another online option. So I'm going to look at Pike's Peak Community >>>> College >>>> >>>> (PPCC), University of Colorado -- Colorado Springs (UCCS), & Colorado >>>> State >>>> >>>> University (CSU), as well as the University of Phoenix. >>>> >>>> My question is, has anyone here already researched or used these >>>> facilities? >>>> >>>> Can I talk with you or hear from you on your experience, or why you did >>>> or >>>> did not end up attending that particular school? How was the >>>> accessibility >>>> of it all for you, etc. Has anyone here been to any of these 4 schools? >>>> >>>> Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. >>>> >>>> >>>> Strive On! >>>> Everett >>>> everett at everettgavel.com >>>> (330) 604-5750 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cordially, >>> >>> Nimer Jaber >>> >>> Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains >>> some information about the email you have just read and all >>> attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and >>> methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk. >>> >>> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was >>> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, >>> please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this >>> correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents >>> by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or >>> criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding >>> attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is >>> up to you. Thanks. >>> >>> Registered Linux User 529141. >>> http://counter.li.org/ >>> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >>> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, >>> please click here: >>> http://www.vinuxproject.org >>> >>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP >>> and above, please click here: >>> http://www.nvda-project.org >>> >>> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. >>> >>> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >>> http://nimertech.blogspot.com >>> >>> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) >>> (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank >>> you, and have a great day! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 08:03:37 2012 From: cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com (McMahon, Cory J) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 03:03:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle Message-ID: <852F7C71ECEF4015B32B73EF8C6CB53A@cory> FYI. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:16 PM Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle: Oracle offers an optimized and fully integrated stack of business hardware and software systems. With more than 390,000 customers­including 100 of the Fortune 100­ and with deployments across a wide variety of industries in more than 145 countries around the globe, we recognize the significant impact that our products and technologies can have on people with disabilities. And we seek to hire the best and brightest talent to build those products, basing our employment decisions only on merit, experience, and potential. This scholarship for $3000 is for a student in the field of Computer Science, Computer Engineering, User Experience, or related field. Apply at www.nfb.org/scholarships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Nfbnet-members-list mailing list Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 13:42:21 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:42:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone know of any scholarships that blind students can apply for to assist inpurchasing assistive technology? Thanks! Gloria From jeffc4 at lavabit.com Sun Nov 4 15:05:04 2012 From: jeffc4 at lavabit.com (jeffc4 at lavabit.com) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:05:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nabs-l] WNN tech help needed Message-ID: <9338.68.62.22.6.1352041504.squirrel@lavabit.com> Hello everyone, My name is Jeff Crouch. I have started up a podcast for technology news. Chris Nusbom, sorry got the last name rong, but he said that he would be willing to help me in this project. So i need one or two more people with skype and who would be intrusted in doing something like this. The site can be found at http://wnntech.co.cc If you are intrusted in helping me, please contact me, below is the contact information email- jeffc4 at lavabit.com skype magic2127 thanks all 73 kd8qiq Jeff Crouch From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 15:07:31 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:07:31 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, There are plenty. We did a whole thread on this a while back, search the archives for scholarships. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 5:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships Hi all, Does anyone know of any scholarships that blind students can apply for to assist inpurchasing assistive technology? Thanks! Gloria _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 15:27:21 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:27:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships References: Message-ID: <418378F4674D4F989D56E91FE265D240@Gloria> Hi, Are there a few you could just give me off hand now? Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships > Hello, > There are plenty. We did a whole thread on this a while back, search the > archives for scholarships. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Gloria G > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 5:42 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships > > Hi all, > Does anyone know of any scholarships that blind students can apply for to > assist inpurchasing assistive technology? Thanks! > Gloria > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 17:03:54 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 12:03:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] WNN tech help needed In-Reply-To: <9338.68.62.22.6.1352041504.squirrel@lavabit.com> References: <9338.68.62.22.6.1352041504.squirrel@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <4168014948274630165@unknownmsgid> Lol, it's Nusbaum. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 10:06 AM, "jeffc4 at lavabit.com" wrote: > Hello everyone, > My name is Jeff Crouch. I have started up a podcast for technology news. > Chris Nusbom, sorry got the last name rong, but he said that he would be > willing to help me in this project. > > So i need one or two more people with skype and who would be intrusted in > doing something like this. The site can be found at > http://wnntech.co.cc > > If you are intrusted in helping me, please contact me, below is the > contact information > > email- > jeffc4 at lavabit.com > > skype > magic2127 > > thanks all > > 73 > kd8qiq > Jeff Crouch > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 19:00:03 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 14:00:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone Message-ID: <5096bb56.22adec0a.7265.ffffca66@mx.google.com> If you double click on the edit button and scroll through the contact, you should see something that says, "Delete contact." Double click on it. The phone will ask you to confirm the deletion. Double tap again, and that contact will be deleted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" Message-ID: Thank you! I will try this and see how it goes. Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sophie Trist" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPhone > If you double click on the edit button and scroll through the contact, you > should see something that says, "Delete contact." Double click on it. The > phone will ask you to confirm the deletion. Double tap again, and that > contact will be deleted. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 13:12:50 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone > > Hi all, > I am a new iPhone user and was wonderingif someone could tell me how to > deleate a contact from my list? I know you can double click on the contact > and hit the edit button, but it doesn't seem that the name of the contact > is removed from the list. Thanks for any suggestions! > Gloria > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 19:27:31 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:27:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone References: <5096bb56.22adec0a.7265.ffffca66@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, I tried your suggestion and it worked. Thank you! Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sophie Trist" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPhone > If you double click on the edit button and scroll through the contact, you > should see something that says, "Delete contact." Double click on it. The > phone will ask you to confirm the deletion. Double tap again, and that > contact will be deleted. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 13:12:50 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone > > Hi all, > I am a new iPhone user and was wonderingif someone could tell me how to > deleate a contact from my list? I know you can double click on the contact > and hit the edit button, but it doesn't seem that the name of the contact > is removed from the list. Thanks for any suggestions! > Gloria > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 20:07:03 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:07:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle In-Reply-To: <852F7C71ECEF4015B32B73EF8C6CB53A@cory> References: <852F7C71ECEF4015B32B73EF8C6CB53A@cory> Message-ID: <8777867445710584698@unknownmsgid> Hi Corey, FYI, all members of the Nabs list automatically receive emails from the NFB net members list, so you don't need to forward emails which come through that list to this one. Thanks, Chris Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:04 AM, "McMahon, Cory J" wrote: > FYI. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Andrews > To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:16 PM > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle > > > New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle: > > Oracle offers an optimized and fully integrated stack of business hardware and software systems. With more than 390,000 customers­including 100 of the Fortune 100­ and with deployments across a wide variety of industries in more than 145 countries around the globe, we recognize the significant impact that our products and technologies can have on people with disabilities. And we seek to hire the best and brightest talent to build those products, basing our employment decisions only on merit, experience, and potential. This scholarship for $3000 is for a student in the field of Computer Science, Computer Engineering, User Experience, or related field. > > > Apply at www.nfb.org/scholarships > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Nfbnet-members-list mailing list > Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From jj at bestmidi.com Sun Nov 4 21:23:30 2012 From: jj at bestmidi.com (Jason Meddaugh) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 16:23:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships References: <418378F4674D4F989D56E91FE265D240@Gloria> Message-ID: At the risk of sounding a bit blunt, if you aren't willing to put in the effort to search the list archives as was suggested, perhaps this same attitude will be noticed by those who may offer scholarships to you? You can search the NFBNet lists at http://www.nfbnet.org with an archive going back several years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships > Hi, > Are there a few you could just give me off hand now? Thanks! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships > > >> Hello, >> There are plenty. We did a whole thread on this a while back, search the >> archives for scholarships. >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gloria G >> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 5:42 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships >> >> Hi all, >> Does anyone know of any scholarships that blind students can apply for to >> assist inpurchasing assistive technology? Thanks! >> Gloria >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 22:02:50 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:02:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships In-Reply-To: References: <418378F4674D4F989D56E91FE265D240@Gloria> Message-ID: To be fair, I don't think the discussion was about technology scholarships, but about educational scholarships instead. So I'm not sure how useful that archive will be. I believe NFB used to have a technology loan program. Does anyone know if it is still active? Arielle On 11/4/12, Jason Meddaugh wrote: > At the risk of sounding a bit blunt, if you aren't willing to put in the > effort to search the list archives as was suggested, perhaps this same > attitude will be noticed by those who may offer scholarships to you? > You can search the NFBNet lists at http://www.nfbnet.org with an archive > going back several years. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships > > >> Hi, >> Are there a few you could just give me off hand now? Thanks! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships >> >> >>> Hello, >>> There are plenty. We did a whole thread on this a while back, search the >>> >>> archives for scholarships. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gloria G >>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 5:42 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships >>> >>> Hi all, >>> Does anyone know of any scholarships that blind students can apply for to >>> >>> assist inpurchasing assistive technology? Thanks! >>> Gloria >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 22:09:46 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:09:46 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships In-Reply-To: References: <418378F4674D4F989D56E91FE265D240@Gloria> Message-ID: <2851F49C40B14FE99317A47675B03080@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, I read over the last 4 emails to that list and there were about 5 scholarships listed that were only for technology. Lions Club being the first. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 2:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships To be fair, I don't think the discussion was about technology scholarships, but about educational scholarships instead. So I'm not sure how useful that archive will be. I believe NFB used to have a technology loan program. Does anyone know if it is still active? Arielle On 11/4/12, Jason Meddaugh wrote: > At the risk of sounding a bit blunt, if you aren't willing to put in the > effort to search the list archives as was suggested, perhaps this same > attitude will be noticed by those who may offer scholarships to you? > You can search the NFBNet lists at http://www.nfbnet.org with an archive > going back several years. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships > > >> Hi, >> Are there a few you could just give me off hand now? Thanks! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships >> >> >>> Hello, >>> There are plenty. We did a whole thread on this a while back, search the >>> >>> archives for scholarships. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gloria G >>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 5:42 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships >>> >>> Hi all, >>> Does anyone know of any scholarships that blind students can apply for >>> to >>> >>> assist inpurchasing assistive technology? Thanks! >>> Gloria >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Sun Nov 4 22:19:58 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 16:19:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships In-Reply-To: References: <418378F4674D4F989D56E91FE265D240@Gloria> Message-ID: There is no longer the low-interest loan program from the NFB. Dave At 04:02 PM 11/4/2012, you wrote: >To be fair, I don't think the discussion was about technology >scholarships, but about educational scholarships instead. So I'm not >sure how useful that archive will be. >I believe NFB used to have a technology loan program. Does anyone know >if it is still active? >Arielle > >On 11/4/12, Jason Meddaugh wrote: > > At the risk of sounding a bit blunt, if you aren't willing to put in the > > effort to search the list archives as was suggested, perhaps this same > > attitude will be noticed by those who may offer scholarships to you? > > You can search the NFBNet lists at http://www.nfbnet.org with an archive > > going back several years. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gloria G" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 10:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships > > > > > >> Hi, > >> Are there a few you could just give me off hand now? Thanks! > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > >> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:07 AM > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships > >> > >> > >>> Hello, > >>> There are plenty. We did a whole thread on this a while back, search the > >>> > >>> archives for scholarships. > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Brandon Keith Biggs > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Gloria G > >>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 5:42 AM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> Does anyone know of any scholarships that blind students can apply for to > >>> > >>> assist inpurchasing assistive technology? Thanks! > >>> Gloria From cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 12:24:11 2012 From: cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com (McMahon, Cory J) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:24:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle References: <852F7C71ECEF4015B32B73EF8C6CB53A@cory> <8777867445710584698@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Dear Chris and all, My understanding is that individuals would only receive e-mails sent to the NFBnet members list if they are subscribed to it. Is this incorrect? If my thinking is correct, I am operating under the assumption that perhaps not all members of the NABS-L list are subscribed to the NFBnet members list; thus, there would be a need to forward the information. If you already receive information and/or it doesn't apply to you, keep in mind that there is a "delete" key which can be used on all e-mails. Sincerely, Cory McMahon ----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 2:07 PM Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle Hi Corey, FYI, all members of the Nabs list automatically receive emails from the NFB net members list, so you don't need to forward emails which come through that list to this one. Thanks, Chris Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:04 AM, "McMahon, Cory J" wrote: > FYI. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Andrews > To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:16 PM > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle > > > New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle: > > Oracle offers an optimized and fully integrated stack of business > hardware and software systems. With more than 390,000 customers­including > 100 of the Fortune 100­ and with deployments across a wide variety of > industries in more than 145 countries around the globe, we recognize the > significant impact that our products and technologies can have on people > with disabilities. And we seek to hire the best and brightest talent to > build those products, basing our employment decisions only on merit, > experience, and potential. This scholarship for $3000 is for a student in > the field of Computer Science, Computer Engineering, User Experience, or > related field. > > > Apply at www.nfb.org/scholarships > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Nfbnet-members-list mailing list > Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cory.j.mcmahon%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 14:31:00 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:31:00 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list]New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle In-Reply-To: References: <852F7C71ECEF4015B32B73EF8C6CB53A@cory><8777867445710584698@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hello, All members have access to the archives on line. The link was given a couple emails back. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: McMahon, Cory J Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:24 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list]New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle Dear Chris and all, My understanding is that individuals would only receive e-mails sent to the NFBnet members list if they are subscribed to it. Is this incorrect? If my thinking is correct, I am operating under the assumption that perhaps not all members of the NABS-L list are subscribed to the NFBnet members list; thus, there would be a need to forward the information. If you already receive information and/or it doesn't apply to you, keep in mind that there is a "delete" key which can be used on all e-mails. Sincerely, Cory McMahon ----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 2:07 PM Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle Hi Corey, FYI, all members of the Nabs list automatically receive emails from the NFB net members list, so you don't need to forward emails which come through that list to this one. Thanks, Chris Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:04 AM, "McMahon, Cory J" wrote: > FYI. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Andrews > To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:16 PM > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle > > > New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle: > > Oracle offers an optimized and fully integrated stack of business > hardware and software systems. With more than 390,000 customers­including > 100 of the Fortune 100­ and with deployments across a wide variety of > industries in more than 145 countries around the globe, we recognize the > significant impact that our products and technologies can have on people > with disabilities. And we seek to hire the best and brightest talent to > build those products, basing our employment decisions only on merit, > experience, and potential. This scholarship for $3000 is for a student in > the field of Computer Science, Computer Engineering, User Experience, or > related field. > > > Apply at www.nfb.org/scholarships > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Nfbnet-members-list mailing list > Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cory.j.mcmahon%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From gcazares10 at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 16:11:09 2012 From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:11:09 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle In-Reply-To: References: <852F7C71ECEF4015B32B73EF8C6CB53A@cory> <8777867445710584698@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <002701cdbb70$2cec7e40$86c57ac0$@com> Hi Everyone, If you're subscribed to this, or any nfbnet.org mailing list, messages sent by David Andrews are automatically received. Hope this helps. Best, ...Gabe Support fair wages for workers with disabilities! (H.R. 3086) www.nfb.org/fairwages Gabriel M. Cazares, 1st Vice President Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: 713-581-0619 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of McMahon, Cory J Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:24 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle Dear Chris and all, My understanding is that individuals would only receive e-mails sent to the NFBnet members list if they are subscribed to it. Is this incorrect? If my thinking is correct, I am operating under the assumption that perhaps not all members of the NABS-L list are subscribed to the NFBnet members list; thus, there would be a need to forward the information. If you already receive information and/or it doesn't apply to you, keep in mind that there is a "delete" key which can be used on all e-mails. Sincerely, Cory McMahon ----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 2:07 PM Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle Hi Corey, FYI, all members of the Nabs list automatically receive emails from the NFB net members list, so you don't need to forward emails which come through that list to this one. Thanks, Chris Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:04 AM, "McMahon, Cory J" wrote: > FYI. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Andrews > To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:16 PM > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by > Oracle > > > New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle: > > Oracle offers an optimized and fully integrated stack of business > hardware and software systems. With more than 390,000 > customers-including > 100 of the Fortune 100- and with deployments across a wide variety of > industries in more than 145 countries around the globe, we recognize > the significant impact that our products and technologies can have on > people with disabilities. And we seek to hire the best and brightest > talent to build those products, basing our employment decisions only > on merit, experience, and potential. This scholarship for $3000 is for > a student in the field of Computer Science, Computer Engineering, User > Experience, or related field. > > > Apply at www.nfb.org/scholarships > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Nfbnet-members-list mailing list > Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cory.j.mcmahon%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gcazares10%40gmail.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5375 - Release Date: 11/05/12 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 01:39:13 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:39:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfbmd] Opportunities at Convention In-Reply-To: <000501cdbbb9$8e654dc0$ab2fe940$@verizon.net> References: <000501cdbbb9$8e654dc0$ab2fe940$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2256148179003272258@unknownmsgid> Just to clarify, are you referring to the Maryland state convention or the national convention? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2012, at 7:59 PM, SHERRIA YOUNG wrote: Hello Everyone! As convention is right around the corner, I would like to share an opportunity for all Federationists. At this year's convention, I will be promoting my new business with Scentsy. Sentsy is a company that specializes in flameless, scented candles. A Scentsy bar, containing one of many fragrances, sits at the top of a small, colorful lamp and is heated by the light. No flame, no worries! In addition to candles, Scentsy sells hand sanitizers, room sprays, dryer disks, teddy bears, and more! All products come with your choice of fragrances! Please see me at convention if you are interested in purchasing any of these items. You may call me at 443-865-3513. Also, please purchase raffle tickets from the Maryland Association of Blind Students this year because we are raffling off a basket containing Scentsy products! Have a great week and see you at convention! Sincerely, Sherria Young National Association of Blind Students, Vice President _______________________________________________ Nfbmd mailing list Nfbmd at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbmd_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nfbmd: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbmd_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Tue Nov 6 01:15:07 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:15:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BANA-Announce] BANA Adopts Unified English Braille (UEB) for United States Message-ID: > >Press Release > >November 2012 > > > >For Immediate Release > >CONTACT: Frances Mary D'Andrea, Chair > >Braille Authority of North America > >Phone: 412-521-5797 > >Email: literacy2 at mindspring.com > > > >BANA Adopts Unified English Braille (UEB) for United States > > > >On November 2, 2012, the Braille Authority of North America (BANA) >set a new course for the future of braille in the United States >(U.S.) when it adopted Unified English Braille (UEB). The motion, >which passed decisively, specifies that UEB will eventually replace >the current English Braille American Edition and that the U.S. will >retain the Nemeth Code for Mathematics and Science Notation. > > > >The transition to UEB will not be immediate and will follow a >carefully crafted timeline. Implementation plans will be formulated >with the input and participation of stakeholders from the consumer, >education, rehabilitation, transcription, and production >communities. Plans will take into consideration the various aspects >of creating, teaching, learning, and using braille in a wide variety >of settings. The plans will be designed to provide workable >transitions for all involved in braille use and production and to >minimize disruption for current braille readers. > > > >UEB is based on the current literary braille code and was developed >with input from many people, primarily braille readers, who worked >to achieve an optimal balance among many key factors. Those factors >include keeping the general-purpose literary code as its base, >allowing the addition of new symbols, providing flexibility for >change as print changes, reducing the complexity of rules, and >allowing greater accuracy in back translation. > > > >Letters and numbers will stay the same as they are in the current >literary code. There will be some changes to punctuation, but most >will remain the same. Some rules for the use of contractions will >change. Nine contractions will be eliminated, and some contractions >will be used more often. A FAQ providing more detail about changes >is available on the BANA website. > > > >After implementation, the official braille codes for the United >States will be Unified English Braille; Nemeth Code for Mathematics >and Science Notation, 1972 Revision and published updates; Music >Braille Code, 1997; and The IPA Braille Code, 2008. > > > >More detailed information about UEB and the motion that BANA passed >can be found on the BANA website at >www.brailleauthority.org. > > > > > >The Board of BANA consists of appointed representatives from fifteen >member organizations of braille producers, transcribers, teachers, >and consumers. > > > >The mission and purpose of the Braille Authority of North America >are to assure literacy for tactile readers through the >standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics. BANA promotes >and facilitates the use, teaching, and production of braille. It >publishes rules, interprets, and renders opinions pertaining to >braille in all existing codes. It deals with codes now in existence >or to be developed in the future, in collaboration with other >countries using English braille. In exercising its function and >authority, BANA considers the effects of its decisions on other >existing braille codes and formats; the ease of production by >various methods; and acceptability to readers. > > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 01:32:35 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:32:35 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: distributing getting out the vote In-Reply-To: <009901cdb710$0a2acfb0$1e806f10$@gmail.com> References: <009901cdb710$0a2acfb0$1e806f10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: For your information. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Deepa Goraya Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:32:56 -0700 Subject: distributing getting out the vote To: dsmithnfb at gmail.com Hi Darien, Would you mind distributing this email below and the attached materials to NABS? It's just to Get Out the Vote and making sure people with disabilities, the blind especially, will be at the polls on Election Day. Thanks. Deepa Dear Darien, I am writing to you on behalf of Forward This, a disability grassroots advocacy campaign focused on getting out the vote among people with disabilities. Forward This is creating a way for our generation to make its own mark in history, by showing the power of the younger generation of people with disabilities. While we are a partisan organization, our primary goal is to increase the number of people with disabilities who vote on Election Day. Increasing the voter turn-out among people with disabilities will build our political power as a community, regardless of which political party receives our support. To this end, I have attached a few documents with nonpartisan content, designed to encourage and enable your members to vote. Forward This stresses the importance of early voting for people with disabilities, given the unpredictability of certain aspects of our lives, and the pressing need for our voices to be heard. Nonpartisan Get Out The Vote Flyers: 1. Voting Information flyer, providing information about ballots, polling places, early voting, and voter ID laws; 2. Early Voting flyer, detailing the importance of early voting for people with disabilities; 3. NCD-Approved HAVA Flyer, encouraging people with disabilities to vote; 4. NDRN Flyer, explaining that people with disabilities have the right to vote; and 5. NCD Election Day Accessibility Questionnaire, for people with disabilities who have voted to provide feedback on their experiences. Nonpartisan Early Voting links: http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/absentee-and-early-voti ng.aspx http://www.vote411.org http://apps.npr.org/early-voting-2012/ http://www.canivote.org http://www.eac.gov/voter_resources/contact_your_state.aspx Thank you for your time, and I hope that together we can show the power of the disability vote on election day! Sincerely, Deepa Goraya Blind Outreach Coordinator -- Darian Smith "Let's work together to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Early Voting Flyer for People with Disabilities.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 127433 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Voting_Information_for_People_with_Disabilities.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 72829 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dandrews at visi.com Tue Nov 6 01:42:47 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:42:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle In-Reply-To: References: <852F7C71ECEF4015B32B73EF8C6CB53A@cory> <8777867445710584698@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: The nfbnet-members-list, and nfbnet-master-list addresses are automatically drawn from existing lists, so there is no need to forward messages. Dave At 06:24 AM 11/5/2012, you wrote: >Dear Chris and all, > >My understanding is that individuals would only >receive e-mails sent to the NFBnet members list >if they are subscribed to it. Is this incorrect? >If my thinking is correct, I am operating under >the assumption that perhaps not all members of >the NABS-L list are subscribed to the NFBnet >members list; thus, there would be a need to >forward the information. If you already receive >information and/or it doesn't apply to you, keep >in mind that there is a "delete" key which can be used on all e-mails. > >Sincerely, > >Cory McMahon > >----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher >nusbaum" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 2:07 PM >Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: >Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle > > >Hi Corey, >FYI, all members of the Nabs list automatically receive emails from >the NFB net members list, so you don't need to forward emails which >come through that list to this one. >Thanks, >Chris > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:04 AM, "McMahon, Cory J" > wrote: > >>FYI. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: David Andrews >>To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:16 PM >>Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle >> >> >>New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle: >> >> Oracle offers an optimized and fully >> integrated stack of business hardware and >> software systems. With more than 390,000 >> customers­including 100 of the Fortune 100­ >> and with deployments across a wide variety of >> industries in more than 145 countries around >> the globe, we recognize the significant impact >> that our products and technologies can have on >> people with disabilities. And we seek to hire >> the best and brightest talent to build those >> products, basing our employment decisions only >> on merit, experience, and potential. This >> scholarship for $3000 is for a student in the >> field of Computer Science, Computer >> Engineering, User Experience, or related field. >> >> >>Apply at www.nfb.org/scholarships From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 18:16:50 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:16:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Election Day Message-ID: <50995436.12fb640a.7463.fffffad1@mx.google.com> I hope you have a wonderful Election Day. I hope all of you had the chance to get out and vote. Let's think of all those who are voting today. Happy Election Day everyone. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 20:59:29 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:59:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Election Day In-Reply-To: <50995436.12fb640a.7463.fffffad1@mx.google.com> References: <50995436.12fb640a.7463.fffffad1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-1318505312040693442@unknownmsgid> Happy election day to you! Let's get out the vote! Chris Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > I hope you have a wonderful Election Day. I hope all of you had the chance to get out and vote. Let's think of all those who are voting today. Happy Election Day everyone. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 22:50:09 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:50:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Election Day In-Reply-To: <50995436.12fb640a.7463.fffffad1@mx.google.com> References: <50995436.12fb640a.7463.fffffad1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <12B5BE3D463445779CE740CA9F489725@OwnerPC> yes, I voted. I hope everyone can go vote. Transportation may be hard. But speak up and go with someone. The sooner the better to avoid long lines. -----Original Message----- From: Roanna Baccchus Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 1:16 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Election Day I hope you have a wonderful Election Day. I hope all of you had the chance to get out and vote. Let's think of all those who are voting today. Happy Election Day everyone. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 07:50:30 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 02:50:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <5096bb56.22adec0a.7265.ffffca66@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <706BBE3F-3705-4720-95D0-FB55FD9E6A5B@gmail.com> If you are using iOS 6 you can just flick down with one finger when the focus is on that contact and access the delete option directly. Usually the rotor is on the custom actions item by default when browsing contacts, but if it's not just try to find it. On Nov 4, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > I tried your suggestion and it worked. Thank you! > Gloria > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sophie Trist" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPhone > > >> If you double click on the edit button and scroll through the contact, you should see something that says, "Delete contact." Double click on it. The phone will ask you to confirm the deletion. Double tap again, and that contact will be deleted. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 13:12:50 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone >> >> Hi all, >> I am a new iPhone user and was wonderingif someone could tell me how to deleate a contact from my list? I know you can double click on the contact and hit the edit button, but it doesn't seem that the name of the contact is removed from the list. Thanks for any suggestions! >> Gloria >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From liamskitten at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 08:27:32 2012 From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 02:27:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) Message-ID: http://livedesignart.com/wp-content/plugins/sfdvns.php From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 11:51:32 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 06:51:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5518467800687229@unknownmsgid> Hi Courtney, Looks like your email account got hacked. Did you mean to send us the link? If not you may need to look into changing your password or even setting up a new email account. Just letting you know. Thanks, Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2012, at 3:27 AM, Courtney Stover wrote: > http://livedesignart.com/wp-content/plugins/sfdvns.php > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From gera1027 at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 16:28:54 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:28:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Resending was [tiflo-recursos] "Muchas personas son presas de una ceguera que no es tal" Message-ID: <509BDDC6.5050805@gmail.com> Any of you know enough Spanish to take advantage of this article and maybe help others see what's about? Let me explain: it's about this lady in Spain who has a foundation for letting low vision people to see via electrical estimulation, and they give out green canes. Any of you guys know of this in the US? Here's the article in case any of you know enough Spanish to take advantage. -------- Mensaje original --------Gerardo Asunto: [tiflo-recursos] "Muchas personas son presas de una ceguera que no es tal" Fecha: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:23:50 +0100 De: María Jesús Responder a: tiflo-recursos at eListas.net Para: nov 7 Primera entrega oficial de estos distintivos ?Muchas personas son presas de una ceguera que no es tal? Enviar por mail Tamaño texto Imprimir Compartir Por: Celina Abud Veinte años atrás, una maestra de braile y de técnicas de orientación con bastón blanco descubrió que ?no todo era negro? para ciertas personas que poseían un ?certificado de ceguera legal?. Fue cuando uno de sus alumnos le hizo notar que, si bien tenía la vista obstruida en la zona central del ojo, podía ver hacia los costados. Desde entonces, la vida de Perla Mayo cambió, ya que se dedicó a luchar por los individuos con baja visión, un problema que, aunque alcanza a 135 millones de personas en el mundo, es aún desconocido por la sociedad. Se comprometió, viajó, presentó una tesis en Nueva York, y gracias a sus esfuerzos, existe una disciplina de rehabilitación para que quienes la sufren puedan leer, manejarse y, hasta incluso, estudiar en escuelas comunes. Mayo, quien preside la Asociación Latinoamericana de Baja Visión ?El derecho a ver?, fue la creadora del bastón verde, que sirve como distintivo de los que sufren el problema. Tras la primera entrega oficial de cien de estos elementos, Mayo dialogó con DocSalud.com sobre los frutos de su lucha y de lo que aún queda por hacer. Periodista: ¿Cómo surgió la idea de crear el bastón blanco? Prof. Perla Mayo: Hace 20 años, en una de las escuelas donde yo enseñaba técnicas de orientación y movilidad con bastón blanco y braile, uno de mis alumnos, Federico, me miró y dijo, ?seño, hoy no tenés puesto el arito?. Entonces le pregunté: ?Fede, ¿me podés ver? Y me contestó ?Si miro al techo, yo te puedo ver por el pedacito inferior del ojo?. Él había sido diagnosticado con una retinopatía del prematuro pero su certificado decía ?ceguera legal?, lo que significaba que ese niño debía ir a una escuela de ciegos, usar un bastón blanco y aprender braile para leer y escribir. Entre 1996 y 1997, muchas personas que estaban en la misma situación de Federico me dijeron, ?seño, no quiero usar bastón blanco porque no soy ciego, yo veo algo y en la calle me discriminan, porque si leo con el bastón blanco en el colectivo, me dicen que me baje por que no soy ciego?. Así noté que las personas con baja visión no tenían un grupo de pertenencia con el cual identificarse. Entonces pinté un bastón blanco con un spray verde, verde de color esperanza, verde de ver-de otra manera, ver-de nuevo y a partir de ahí comenzamos esta carrera hasta el día de hoy, con la sanción de la ley, con 10 mil usuarios de bastones y con la primera entrega oficial de este elemento a nivel nacional. P.: ¿Qué aprendió durante el tiempo que viene luchando por la difusión de la baja visión? P. M.: En estos 22 años en los que me dedico a investigar sobre el tema, hoy puedo decir que gracias a Dios, a los avances de la tecnología y a la lucha constante, existe la disciplina de la baja visión y la rehabilitación visual. ¿Qué es esto? Determinar cómo ve y cuánto ve la persona. Federico, que veía por debajo del ojo, hoy podría haber sido estimulado con un sistema especial electrónico para amplificar su campo visual y de esa forma, estudiar una escuela común, leer, ver la cara de su mamá... Lamentablemente Federico hoy es ciego, porque si el ojo no se trabaja, se pierde. Se le negó el derecho a ver. Por eso, la fundación que yo presido, se llama ?El derecho a ver? y su misión, es recorrer todas las escuelas del país y Latinoamérica, buscando en las personas con un certificado de ?ceguera legal? ese remanente de visión. P.: ¿Qué otros logros obtuvo en estos 22 años? P.M.: En primer lugar, la sanción en 2002 de la Ley 25.682, que determina el uso de bastón verde a las personas de baja visión. Hoy 10 mil argentinos lo llevan. También estar haciendo la primera entrega oficial ayuda a difundir este tema, a compartir qué significa, por qué se creó el bastón verde y qué enfermedades llevan a las personas a tener baja visión sin ser totalmente ciegos. En especial estoy muy emocionada y agradecida por el apoyo de Juan Carr, de Red Solidaria. Con la difusión buscamos decir que es el momento de dejar de mirar para otro lado. P.: ¿Qué impacto tiene la baja visión en el mundo? P.M.: Existen 135 millones de personas que la sufren, pero la gente no conoce la existencia de este problema. Uno sabe que ve y que no ve, pero no que hay baja visión. Las cifras son alarmantes y el número crecerá aún más porque la degeneración macular, enfermedad típica de la tercera edad, causa este problema, y la expectativa de vida es cada vez mayor. P.: Además de la degeneración macular, ¿qué otras enfermedades pueden causar baja visión? P.M.: El glaucoma, las cataratas no operables y la retinosis pigmentaria. En niños, una causa importante es la retinopatía del prematuro, cuando nacen muy pequeños. P.: ¿Cuál es la importancia del diagnóstico precoz de estas enfermedades? P.M.: Es fundamental porque hay muchas cegueras evitables. El glaucoma se puede prevenir. La degeneración macular, tomada a tiempo, también. Por último, a los niños que nacen antes de término y permanecen en incubadora, se les debe controlar bien la retina para impedir su aparición. Un diagnóstico y tratamiento a tiempo puede lograr que esas personas con baja visión nunca lleguen a ser ciegas. P.: ¿Qué buscan con el evento de hoy? P.M.: Que este problema se difunda y que no se confunda más a quiénes lo sufren con los ciegos, porque existen muchas personas que son presas de una ceguera que no es tal. Yo siempre digo que el derecho a ver es un derecho de todos. Pero los que vemos, muchas veces no vemos nada; muchos que ven poco, por falta de recursos, terminan por no ver; y los que no ven nada, si la sociedad fuera un poco menos egoísta, podría ver un poco más de la nada que ven. Tags: bastones verdes Asociación Latinoamericana de Baja Visión Perla Mayo Por el derecho a ver Ir a archivo Lo último en Noticias ?Muchas personas son presas de una ceguera que no es tal? Cómo prevenir el golpe de calor Entregaron cien bastones verdes a personas que sufren baja visión Describen complicaciones severas por el uso de los rellenos faciales cosméticos Galletti: ?En diez días vuelvo a entrenar? Copyright © 2009 DocSalud.com - Todos los derechos reservados. - Términos y condiciones de uso ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gracias por tu respeto a todos, por tu solidaridad con el grupo y recuerda que estamos para ayudarnos mútuamente!. ______________ "Un fracasado es un hombre que ha cometido un error y que no es capaz de convertirlo en experiencia" ... Hubrard. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Tu dirección de suscripción a este boletín es gera1027 at gmail.com Para darte de baja, envía un mensaje a tiflo-recursos-baja at eListas.net Para obtener ayuda, visita http://www.eListas.net/lista/tiflo-recursos From deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 16:43:18 2012 From: deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com (Deb Mendelsohn) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:43:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Resending was [tiflo-recursos] "Muchas personas son presas de una ceguera que no es tal" In-Reply-To: <509BDDC6.5050805@gmail.com> References: <509BDDC6.5050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: HI ALL, GMAIL TRANSLATED THE WHOLE THING,SO I AM RESENDING IT IN ENGLISH. THANK YOU. DEB MENDELSOHN [nabs-l] Resending was [tiflo-recursos] "Muchas personas son presas de una ceguera que no es tal" (Resending was [tiflo-resources] "Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not so") Inbox x Gerardo Corripio gera1027 at gmail.com via nfbnet.org 9:28 AM (12 minutes ago) to BlindStudents View original message Always translate: Spanish Any of you know enough Spanish to take advantage of this article and maybe help others see what's about? Let me explain: it's about this lady in Spain who has a foundation for letting low vision people to see via electrical estimulation, And They give out green canes. Any of you guys know of this in the U.S.? Here's the article in case any of you know enough Spanish to take advantage. -------- Original Message -------- Gerardo Subject: [tiflo-resources] "Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not so" Date: Thu, 8 November 2012 14:23:50 +0100 From: Maria Jesus < majecamu at yahoo.es > Reply to: tiflo-recursos at eListas.net To November 7 First official release of these distinctive ? Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not one? Send by mail Print Share Text Size By: Celina Abud Twenty years ago, a Braille teacher and guidance techniques discovered white cane? Was not all black? for some people who had a? certificate of legal blindness?. It was when one of his students noted that although the view was obstructed in the central area of the eye, could see sideways. Since then, Pearl's life changed in May, and was dedicated to fighting for individuals with low vision, a problem that, although it reaches 135 million people worldwide, is still unknown to society. He pledged, traveled, presented a thesis in New York, and through his efforts, there is a discipline of rehabilitation for sufferers to read, handled and, to even study in public schools. Mayo, who chairs the American Association of Low Vision • the right to see?, Was the creator of green cane, which serves as a badge of suffering the problem. After the first official release of hundred of these elements, Mayo DocSalud.com spoke with the fruits of their struggle and what remains to be done. Reporter: How did the idea of the white cane? Prof. Perla May: 20 years ago, in one of the schools where I taught orientation and mobility techniques with white cane and Braille, one of my students, Frederick, looked at me and said,? Miss, today you have not put the earring? . Then I asked? Fede, do you you can see? And he answered? If I look at the ceiling, I can see by bit under eye?. He had been diagnosed with ROP but your certificate say? Legal blindness?, Which meant that the child should go to a school for the blind, use a white cane and learn to read and write Braille. Between 1996 and 1997, many people who were in the same situation Federico told me,? Ma'am, I do not want to use white cane because I'm blind, I see something on the street and discriminate me because if I read the white cane in the collectively, they tell me that I'm not down blind?. So I noticed that people with low vision did not have a membership group with which to identify. I then painted a white cane with a green spray, green color of hope, green see-otherwise, see-again and from there we started this race until today, with the sanction of the law, with 10 000 using canes and the first official release of this element nationally. Q. What did you learn during the time that has been fighting for the dissemination of low vision? PM: In the 22 years that I am dedicated to researching the topic, I can say that thanks to God, to advances in technology and the constant struggle, there is the discipline of low vision and visual rehabilitation. What's this? Determine how you see and how you see the person. Federico, I saw underneath the eye, today could have been stimulated with a special electronic system to amplify the visual field and thus, a common school studying, reading, watching the face of his mother ... Federico Unfortunately today is blind, because if the eye does not work, you lose. He was denied the right to see. Therefore, the foundation which I chair, is called • the right to see? and its mission is to cover all schools in the country and Latin America, looking for people with a certificate? legal blindness? this remainder of vision. Q: What other achievements obtained in these 22 years? PM: First, the penalty in 2002 of Law 25,682, which determines the use of green cane for people with low vision. Today 10,000 Argentines lead. Also be making the first official release helps spread this, to share what it means, why it was created and what green cane diseases lead people to have low vision without being totally blind. In particular I am very excited and grateful for the support of John Carr, Solidarity Network. With the spread we say that it is time to stop looking the other way. Q: What is the impact of low vision in the world? PM: There are 135 million people who suffer from it, but people are not aware of this problem. You know you see and not see, but there are no low vision. The figures are alarming and the number will grow further because macular degeneration, disease of the elderly, causing this problem, and life expectancy is increasing. Q: In addition to macular degeneration, what other diseases can cause low vision? PM: Glaucoma, cataracts inoperable and retinitis pigmentosa. In children, a major cause is retinopathy of prematurity, very small at birth. Q. What is the importance of early diagnosis of these diseases? PM: It is essential because there are many avoidable blindness. Glaucoma can be prevented. Macular degeneration, taken in time, too. Finally, children born before term and remain in an incubator, they must handle well the retina to prevent its occurrence. Early diagnosis and treatment can make those people with low vision never become blind. Q: What do you look with today's event? PM: That this problem is more widespread and more not to confuse those who suffer with the blind, because there are many people who fall prey to a blindness that is not. I always say that the right to see is a right for all. But we see, many times we see nothing; many who see little, for lack of resources, end up not see, and those who see nothing, if society were a little less selfish, you might see a little more of the blue they see. Tags: green canes American Association Low Vision Pearl May For the right to see Go to File Latest in News ? Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not one? Preventing heatstroke Green canes delivered one hundred people with low vision Severe complications describe the use of cosmetic facial fillers Galletti:? Back in ten days to train? Copyright © 2009 DocSalud.com - All rights reserved. - Terms and conditions of use ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------ 2012/11/8 Gerardo Corripio > Any of you know enough Spanish to take advantage of this article and > maybe help others see what's about? > Let me explain: it's about this lady in Spain who has a foundation for > letting low vision people to see via electrical estimulation, and they give > out green canes. Any of you guys know of this in the US? Here's the article > in case any of you know enough Spanish to take advantage. > -------- Mensaje original --------Gerardo > Asunto: [tiflo-recursos] "Muchas personas son presas de una > ceguera que no es tal" > Fecha: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:23:50 +0100 > De: María Jesús > Responder a: tiflo-recursos at eListas.net > Para: > > > > > nov > > 7 > > Primera entrega oficial de estos distintivos > > ?Muchas personas son presas de una ceguera que no es tal? > > Enviar por mail Tamaño texto Imprimir Compartir > > Por: Celina Abud > > Veinte años atrás, una maestra de braile y de técnicas de orientación con > bastón blanco descubrió que ?no todo era negro? para ciertas personas que > poseían un ?certificado de ceguera legal?. Fue cuando uno de sus alumnos le > hizo notar que, si bien tenía la vista obstruida en la zona central del > ojo, podía ver hacia los costados. > > Desde entonces, la vida de Perla Mayo cambió, ya que se dedicó a luchar > por los individuos con baja visión, un problema que, aunque alcanza a 135 > millones de personas en el mundo, es aún desconocido por la sociedad. Se > comprometió, viajó, presentó una tesis en Nueva York, y gracias a sus > esfuerzos, existe una disciplina de rehabilitación para que quienes la > sufren puedan leer, manejarse y, hasta incluso, estudiar en escuelas > comunes. > > Mayo, quien preside la Asociación Latinoamericana de Baja Visión ?El > derecho a ver?, fue la creadora del bastón verde, que sirve como distintivo > de los que sufren el problema. Tras la primera entrega oficial de cien de > estos elementos, Mayo dialogó con DocSalud.com sobre los frutos de su lucha > y de lo que aún queda por hacer. > > Periodista: ¿Cómo surgió la idea de crear el bastón blanco? > > Prof. Perla Mayo: Hace 20 años, en una de las escuelas donde yo enseñaba > técnicas de orientación y movilidad con bastón blanco y braile, uno de mis > alumnos, Federico, me miró y dijo, ?seño, hoy no tenés puesto el arito?. > Entonces le pregunté: ?Fede, ¿me podés ver? Y me contestó ?Si miro al > techo, yo te puedo ver por el pedacito inferior del ojo?. Él había sido > diagnosticado con una retinopatía del prematuro pero su certificado decía > ?ceguera legal?, lo que significaba que ese niño debía ir a una escuela de > ciegos, usar un bastón blanco y aprender braile para leer y escribir. Entre > 1996 y 1997, muchas personas que estaban en la misma situación de Federico > me dijeron, ?seño, no quiero usar bastón blanco porque no soy ciego, yo veo > algo y en la calle me discriminan, porque si leo con el bastón blanco en el > colectivo, me dicen que me baje por que no soy ciego?. Así noté que las > personas con baja visión no tenían un grupo de pertenencia con el cual > identificarse. Entonces pinté un bastón blanco con un spray verde, verde de > color esperanza, verde de ver-de otra manera, ver-de nuevo y a partir de > ahí comenzamos esta carrera hasta el día de hoy, con la sanción de la ley, > con 10 mil usuarios de bastones y con la primera entrega oficial de este > elemento a nivel nacional. > > P.: ¿Qué aprendió durante el tiempo que viene luchando por la difusión de > la baja visión? > > P. M.: En estos 22 años en los que me dedico a investigar sobre el tema, > hoy puedo decir que gracias a Dios, a los avances de la tecnología y a la > lucha constante, existe la disciplina de la baja visión y la > rehabilitación visual. ¿Qué es esto? Determinar cómo ve y cuánto ve la > persona. Federico, que veía por debajo del ojo, hoy podría haber sido > estimulado con un sistema especial electrónico para amplificar su campo > visual y de esa forma, estudiar una escuela común, leer, ver la cara de su > mamá... Lamentablemente Federico hoy es ciego, porque si el ojo no se > trabaja, se pierde. Se le negó el derecho a ver. Por eso, la fundación que > yo presido, se llama ?El derecho a ver? y su misión, es recorrer todas las > escuelas del país y Latinoamérica, buscando en las personas con un > certificado de ?ceguera legal? ese remanente de visión. > > P.: ¿Qué otros logros obtuvo en estos 22 años? > > P.M.: En primer lugar, la sanción en 2002 de la Ley 25.682, que determina > el uso de bastón verde a las personas de baja visión. Hoy 10 mil argentinos > lo llevan. También estar haciendo la primera entrega oficial ayuda a > difundir este tema, a compartir qué significa, por qué se creó el bastón > verde y qué enfermedades llevan a las personas a tener baja visión sin ser > totalmente ciegos. En especial estoy muy emocionada y agradecida por el > apoyo de Juan Carr, de Red Solidaria. Con la difusión buscamos decir que es > el momento de dejar de mirar para otro lado. > > P.: ¿Qué impacto tiene la baja visión en el mundo? > > P.M.: Existen 135 millones de personas que la sufren, pero la gente no > conoce la existencia de este problema. Uno sabe que ve y que no ve, pero no > que hay baja visión. Las cifras son alarmantes y el número crecerá aún más > porque la degeneración macular, enfermedad típica de la tercera edad, causa > este problema, y la expectativa de vida es cada vez mayor. > > P.: Además de la degeneración macular, ¿qué otras enfermedades pueden > causar baja visión? > > P.M.: El glaucoma, las cataratas no operables y la retinosis pigmentaria. > En niños, una causa importante es la retinopatía del prematuro, cuando > nacen muy pequeños. > > P.: ¿Cuál es la importancia del diagnóstico precoz de estas enfermedades? > > P.M.: Es fundamental porque hay muchas cegueras evitables. El glaucoma se > puede prevenir. La degeneración macular, tomada a tiempo, también. Por > último, a los niños que nacen antes de término y permanecen en incubadora, > se les debe controlar bien la retina para impedir su aparición. Un > diagnóstico y tratamiento a tiempo puede lograr que esas personas con baja > visión nunca lleguen a ser ciegas. > > P.: ¿Qué buscan con el evento de hoy? > > P.M.: Que este problema se difunda y que no se confunda más a quiénes lo > sufren con los ciegos, porque existen muchas personas que son presas de una > ceguera que no es tal. Yo siempre digo que el derecho a ver es un derecho > de todos. Pero los que vemos, muchas veces no vemos nada; muchos que ven > poco, por falta de recursos, terminan por no ver; y los que no ven nada, si > la sociedad fuera un poco menos egoísta, podría ver un poco más de la nada > que ven. > > Tags: bastones verdes Asociación Latinoamericana de Baja Visión Perla > Mayo Por el derecho a ver > > Ir a archivo > > Lo último en Noticias > > ?Muchas personas son presas de una ceguera que no es tal? > > Cómo prevenir el golpe de calor > > Entregaron cien bastones verdes a personas que sufren baja visión > > Describen complicaciones severas por el uso de los rellenos faciales > cosméticos > > Galletti: ?En diez días vuelvo a entrenar? > > Copyright © 2009 DocSalud.com - Todos los derechos reservados. - Términos > y condiciones de uso > > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ------------ > > > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ------------ > > > > > > Gracias por tu respeto a todos, por tu solidaridad con el grupo y > recuerda que estamos para ayudarnos mútuamente!. > ______________ > "Un fracasado es un hombre que ha cometido un error y que no es capaz de > convertirlo en experiencia" ... 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Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not one? Send by mail Print Share Text Size By: Celina Abud Twenty years ago, a Braille teacher and guidance techniques discovered white cane? Was not all black? for some people who had a? certificate of legal blindness?. It was when one of his students noted that although the view was obstructed in the central area of the eye, could see sideways. Since then, Pearl's life changed in May, and was dedicated to fighting for individuals with low vision, a problem that, although it reaches 135 million people worldwide, is still unknown to society. He pledged, traveled, presented a thesis in New York, and through his efforts, there is a discipline of rehabilitation for sufferers to read, handled and, to even study in public schools. Mayo, who chairs the American Association of Low Vision • the right to see?, Was the creator of green cane, which serves as a badge of suffering the problem. After the first official release of hundred of these elements, Mayo DocSalud.com spoke with the fruits of their struggle and what remains to be done. Reporter: How did the idea of the white cane? Prof. Perla May: 20 years ago, in one of the schools where I taught orientation and mobility techniques with white cane and Braille, one of my students, Frederick, looked at me and said,? Miss, today you have not put the earring? . Then I asked? Fede, do you you can see? And he answered? If I look at the ceiling, I can see by bit under eye?. He had been diagnosed with ROP but your certificate say? Legal blindness?, Which meant that the child should go to a school for the blind, use a white cane and learn to read and write Braille. Between 1996 and 1997, many people who were in the same situation Federico told me,? Ma'am, I do not want to use white cane because I'm blind, I see something on the street and discriminate me because if I read the white cane in the collectively, they tell me that I'm not down blind?. So I noticed that people with low vision did not have a membership group with which to identify. I then painted a white cane with a green spray, green color of hope, green see-otherwise, see-again and from there we started this race until today, with the sanction of the law, with 10 000 using canes and the first official release of this element nationally. Q. What did you learn during the time that has been fighting for the dissemination of low vision? PM: In the 22 years that I am dedicated to researching the topic, I can say that thanks to God, to advances in technology and the constant struggle, there is the discipline of low vision and visual rehabilitation. What's this? Determine how you see and how you see the person. Federico, I saw underneath the eye, today could have been stimulated with a special electronic system to amplify the visual field and thus, a common school studying, reading, watching the face of his mother ... Federico Unfortunately today is blind, because if the eye does not work, you lose. He was denied the right to see. Therefore, the foundation which I chair, is called • the right to see? and its mission is to cover all schools in the country and Latin America, looking for people with a certificate? legal blindness? this remainder of vision. Q: What other achievements obtained in these 22 years? PM: First, the penalty in 2002 of Law 25,682, which determines the use of green cane for people with low vision. Today 10,000 Argentines lead. Also be making the first official release helps spread this, to share what it means, why it was created and what green cane diseases lead people to have low vision without being totally blind. In particular I am very excited and grateful for the support of John Carr, Solidarity Network. With the spread we say that it is time to stop looking the other way. Q: What is the impact of low vision in the world? PM: There are 135 million people who suffer from it, but people are not aware of this problem. You know you see and not see, but there are no low vision. The figures are alarming and the number will grow further because macular degeneration, disease of the elderly, causing this problem, and life expectancy is increasing. Q: In addition to macular degeneration, what other diseases can cause low vision? PM: Glaucoma, cataracts inoperable and retinitis pigmentosa. In children, a major cause is retinopathy of prematurity, very small at birth. Q. What is the importance of early diagnosis of these diseases? PM: It is essential because there are many avoidable blindness. Glaucoma can be prevented. Macular degeneration, taken in time, too. Finally, children born before term and remain in an incubator, they must handle well the retina to prevent its occurrence. Early diagnosis and treatment can make those people with low vision never become blind. Q: What do you look with today's event? PM: That this problem is more widespread and more not to confuse those who suffer with the blind, because there are many people who fall prey to a blindness that is not. I always say that the right to see is a right for all. But we see, many times we see nothing; many who see little, for lack of resources, end up not see, and those who see nothing, if society were a little less selfish, you might see a little more of the blue they see. Tags: green canes American Association Low Vision Pearl May For the right to see Go to File Latest in News ? Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not one? Preventing heatstroke Green canes delivered one hundred people with low vision Severe complications describe the use of cosmetic facial fillers Galletti:? Back in ten days to train? Copyright © 2009 DocSalud.com - All rights reserved. - Terms and conditions of use ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------ On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Deb Mendelsohn wrote: > HI ALL, > > GMAIL TRANSLATED THE WHOLE THING,SO I AM RESENDING IT IN ENGLISH. > > > THANK YOU. > > > DEB MENDELSOHN > [nabs-l] Resending was [tiflo-recursos] "Muchas personas son presas de una > ceguera que no es tal" (Resending was [tiflo-resources] "Many people fall > prey to a blindness that is not so") > Inbox > x > Gerardo Corripio gera1027 at gmail.com via > nfbnet.org > 9:28 AM (12 minutes ago) > > to BlindStudents > > View original message > Always translate: Spanish > Any of you know enough Spanish to take advantage of this article and maybe > help others see what's about? > Let me explain: it's about this lady in Spain who has a foundation for > letting low vision people to see via electrical estimulation, And They give > out green canes. Any of you guys know of this in the U.S.? Here's the > article in case any of you know enough Spanish to take advantage. > -------- Original Message -------- Gerardo > Subject: [tiflo-resources] "Many people fall prey to a blindness that is > not so" > Date: Thu, 8 November 2012 14:23:50 +0100 > From: Maria Jesus < majecamu at yahoo.es > > Reply to: tiflo-recursos at eListas.net > To > > > > > November > > 7 > > First official release of these distinctive > > ? Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not one? > > Send by mail Print Share Text Size > > By: Celina Abud > > Twenty years ago, a Braille teacher and guidance techniques discovered > white cane? Was not all black? for some people who had a? certificate of > legal blindness?. It was when one of his students noted that although the > view was obstructed in the central area of the eye, could see sideways. > > Since then, Pearl's life changed in May, and was dedicated to fighting for > individuals with low vision, a problem that, although it reaches 135 > million people worldwide, is still unknown to society. He pledged, > traveled, presented a thesis in New York, and through his efforts, there is > a discipline of rehabilitation for sufferers to read, handled and, to even > study in public schools. > > Mayo, who chairs the American Association of Low Vision • the right to > see?, Was the creator of green cane, which serves as a badge of suffering > the problem. After the first official release of hundred of these elements, > Mayo DocSalud.com spoke with the fruits of their struggle and what remains > to be done. > > Reporter: How did the idea of the white cane? > > Prof. Perla May: 20 years ago, in one of the schools where I taught > orientation and mobility techniques with white cane and Braille, one of my > students, Frederick, looked at me and said,? Miss, today you have not put > the earring? . Then I asked? Fede, do you you can see? And he answered? If > I look at the ceiling, I can see by bit under eye?. He had been diagnosed > with ROP but your certificate say? Legal blindness?, Which meant that the > child should go to a school for the blind, use a white cane and learn to > read and write Braille. Between 1996 and 1997, many people who were in the > same situation Federico told me,? Ma'am, I do not want to use white cane > because I'm blind, I see something on the street and discriminate me > because if I read the white cane in the collectively, they tell me that I'm > not down blind?. So I noticed that people with low vision did not have a > membership group with which to identify. I then painted a white cane with a > green spray, green color of hope, green see-otherwise, see-again and from > there we started this race until today, with the sanction of the law, with > 10 000 using canes and the first official release of this element > nationally. > > Q. What did you learn during the time that has been fighting for the > dissemination of low vision? > > PM: In the 22 years that I am dedicated to researching the topic, I can > say that thanks to God, to advances in technology and the constant > struggle, there is the discipline of low vision and visual rehabilitation. > What's this? Determine how you see and how you see the person. Federico, I > saw underneath the eye, today could have been stimulated with a special > electronic system to amplify the visual field and thus, a common school > studying, reading, watching the face of his mother ... Federico > Unfortunately today is blind, because if the eye does not work, you lose. > He was denied the right to see. Therefore, the foundation which I chair, is > called • the right to see? and its mission is to cover all schools in the > country and Latin America, looking for people with a certificate? legal > blindness? this remainder of vision. > > Q: What other achievements obtained in these 22 years? > > PM: First, the penalty in 2002 of Law 25,682, which determines the use of > green cane for people with low vision. Today 10,000 Argentines lead. Also > be making the first official release helps spread this, to share what it > means, why it was created and what green cane diseases lead people to have > low vision without being totally blind. In particular I am very excited and > grateful for the support of John Carr, Solidarity Network. With the spread > we say that it is time to stop looking the other way. > > Q: What is the impact of low vision in the world? > > PM: There are 135 million people who suffer from it, but people are not > aware of this problem. You know you see and not see, but there are no low > vision. The figures are alarming and the number will grow further because > macular degeneration, disease of the elderly, causing this problem, and > life expectancy is increasing. > > Q: In addition to macular degeneration, what other diseases can cause low > vision? > > PM: Glaucoma, cataracts inoperable and retinitis pigmentosa. In children, > a major cause is retinopathy of prematurity, very small at birth. > > Q. What is the importance of early diagnosis of these diseases? > > PM: It is essential because there are many avoidable blindness. Glaucoma > can be prevented. Macular degeneration, taken in time, too. Finally, > children born before term and remain in an incubator, they must handle well > the retina to prevent its occurrence. Early diagnosis and treatment can > make those people with low vision never become blind. > > Q: What do you look with today's event? > > PM: That this problem is more widespread and more not to confuse those who > suffer with the blind, because there are many people who fall prey to a > blindness that is not. I always say that the right to see is a right for > all. But we see, many times we see nothing; many who see little, for lack > of resources, end up not see, and those who see nothing, if society were a > little less selfish, you might see a little more of the blue they see. > > Tags: green canes American Association Low Vision Pearl May For the right > to see > > Go to File > > Latest in News > > ? Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not one? > > Preventing heatstroke > > Green canes delivered one hundred people with low vision > > Severe complications describe the use of cosmetic facial fillers > > Galletti:? Back in ten days to train? > > Copyright © 2009 DocSalud.com - All rights reserved. - Terms and > conditions of use > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------ > > > 2012/11/8 Gerardo Corripio > >> Any of you know enough Spanish to take advantage of this article and >> maybe help others see what's about? >> Let me explain: it's about this lady in Spain who has a foundation for >> letting low vision people to see via electrical estimulation, and they give >> out green canes. Any of you guys know of this in the US? Here's the article >> in case any of you know enough Spanish to take advantage. >> -------- Mensaje original --------Gerardo >> Asunto: [tiflo-recursos] "Muchas personas son presas de una >> ceguera que no es tal" >> Fecha: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:23:50 +0100 >> De: María Jesús >> Responder a: tiflo-recursos at eListas.net >> Para: >> >> >> >> >> nov >> >> 7 >> >> Primera entrega oficial de estos distintivos >> >> ?Muchas personas son presas de una ceguera que no es tal? >> >> Enviar por mail Tamaño texto Imprimir Compartir >> >> Por: Celina Abud >> >> Veinte años atrás, una maestra de braile y de técnicas de orientación con >> bastón blanco descubrió que ?no todo era negro? para ciertas personas que >> poseían un ?certificado de ceguera legal?. Fue cuando uno de sus alumnos le >> hizo notar que, si bien tenía la vista obstruida en la zona central del >> ojo, podía ver hacia los costados. >> >> Desde entonces, la vida de Perla Mayo cambió, ya que se dedicó a luchar >> por los individuos con baja visión, un problema que, aunque alcanza a 135 >> millones de personas en el mundo, es aún desconocido por la sociedad. Se >> comprometió, viajó, presentó una tesis en Nueva York, y gracias a sus >> esfuerzos, existe una disciplina de rehabilitación para que quienes la >> sufren puedan leer, manejarse y, hasta incluso, estudiar en escuelas >> comunes. >> >> Mayo, quien preside la Asociación Latinoamericana de Baja Visión ?El >> derecho a ver?, fue la creadora del bastón verde, que sirve como distintivo >> de los que sufren el problema. Tras la primera entrega oficial de cien de >> estos elementos, Mayo dialogó con DocSalud.com sobre los frutos de su lucha >> y de lo que aún queda por hacer. >> >> Periodista: ¿Cómo surgió la idea de crear el bastón blanco? >> >> Prof. Perla Mayo: Hace 20 años, en una de las escuelas donde yo enseñaba >> técnicas de orientación y movilidad con bastón blanco y braile, uno de mis >> alumnos, Federico, me miró y dijo, ?seño, hoy no tenés puesto el arito?. >> Entonces le pregunté: ?Fede, ¿me podés ver? Y me contestó ?Si miro al >> techo, yo te puedo ver por el pedacito inferior del ojo?. Él había sido >> diagnosticado con una retinopatía del prematuro pero su certificado decía >> ?ceguera legal?, lo que significaba que ese niño debía ir a una escuela de >> ciegos, usar un bastón blanco y aprender braile para leer y escribir. Entre >> 1996 y 1997, muchas personas que estaban en la misma situación de Federico >> me dijeron, ?seño, no quiero usar bastón blanco porque no soy ciego, yo veo >> algo y en la calle me discriminan, porque si leo con el bastón blanco en el >> colectivo, me dicen que me baje por que no soy ciego?. Así noté que las >> personas con baja visión no tenían un grupo de pertenencia con el cual >> identificarse. Entonces pinté un bastón blanco con un spray verde, verde de >> color esperanza, verde de ver-de otra manera, ver-de nuevo y a partir de >> ahí comenzamos esta carrera hasta el día de hoy, con la sanción de la ley, >> con 10 mil usuarios de bastones y con la primera entrega oficial de este >> elemento a nivel nacional. >> >> P.: ¿Qué aprendió durante el tiempo que viene luchando por la difusión de >> la baja visión? >> >> P. M.: En estos 22 años en los que me dedico a investigar sobre el tema, >> hoy puedo decir que gracias a Dios, a los avances de la tecnología y a la >> lucha constante, existe la disciplina de la baja visión y la >> rehabilitación visual. ¿Qué es esto? Determinar cómo ve y cuánto ve la >> persona. Federico, que veía por debajo del ojo, hoy podría haber sido >> estimulado con un sistema especial electrónico para amplificar su campo >> visual y de esa forma, estudiar una escuela común, leer, ver la cara de su >> mamá... Lamentablemente Federico hoy es ciego, porque si el ojo no se >> trabaja, se pierde. Se le negó el derecho a ver. Por eso, la fundación que >> yo presido, se llama ?El derecho a ver? y su misión, es recorrer todas las >> escuelas del país y Latinoamérica, buscando en las personas con un >> certificado de ?ceguera legal? ese remanente de visión. >> >> P.: ¿Qué otros logros obtuvo en estos 22 años? >> >> P.M.: En primer lugar, la sanción en 2002 de la Ley 25.682, que determina >> el uso de bastón verde a las personas de baja visión. Hoy 10 mil argentinos >> lo llevan. También estar haciendo la primera entrega oficial ayuda a >> difundir este tema, a compartir qué significa, por qué se creó el bastón >> verde y qué enfermedades llevan a las personas a tener baja visión sin ser >> totalmente ciegos. En especial estoy muy emocionada y agradecida por el >> apoyo de Juan Carr, de Red Solidaria. Con la difusión buscamos decir que es >> el momento de dejar de mirar para otro lado. >> >> P.: ¿Qué impacto tiene la baja visión en el mundo? >> >> P.M.: Existen 135 millones de personas que la sufren, pero la gente no >> conoce la existencia de este problema. Uno sabe que ve y que no ve, pero no >> que hay baja visión. Las cifras son alarmantes y el número crecerá aún más >> porque la degeneración macular, enfermedad típica de la tercera edad, causa >> este problema, y la expectativa de vida es cada vez mayor. >> >> P.: Además de la degeneración macular, ¿qué otras enfermedades pueden >> causar baja visión? >> >> P.M.: El glaucoma, las cataratas no operables y la retinosis pigmentaria. >> En niños, una causa importante es la retinopatía del prematuro, cuando >> nacen muy pequeños. >> >> P.: ¿Cuál es la importancia del diagnóstico precoz de estas enfermedades? >> >> P.M.: Es fundamental porque hay muchas cegueras evitables. El glaucoma se >> puede prevenir. La degeneración macular, tomada a tiempo, también. Por >> último, a los niños que nacen antes de término y permanecen en incubadora, >> se les debe controlar bien la retina para impedir su aparición. Un >> diagnóstico y tratamiento a tiempo puede lograr que esas personas con baja >> visión nunca lleguen a ser ciegas. >> >> P.: ¿Qué buscan con el evento de hoy? >> >> P.M.: Que este problema se difunda y que no se confunda más a quiénes lo >> sufren con los ciegos, porque existen muchas personas que son presas de una >> ceguera que no es tal. Yo siempre digo que el derecho a ver es un derecho >> de todos. Pero los que vemos, muchas veces no vemos nada; muchos que ven >> poco, por falta de recursos, terminan por no ver; y los que no ven nada, si >> la sociedad fuera un poco menos egoísta, podría ver un poco más de la nada >> que ven. >> >> Tags: bastones verdes Asociación Latinoamericana de Baja Visión Perla >> Mayo Por el derecho a ver >> >> Ir a archivo >> >> Lo último en Noticias >> >> ?Muchas personas son presas de una ceguera que no es tal? >> >> Cómo prevenir el golpe de calor >> >> Entregaron cien bastones verdes a personas que sufren baja visión >> >> Describen complicaciones severas por el uso de los rellenos faciales >> cosméticos >> >> Galletti: ?En diez días vuelvo a entrenar? >> >> Copyright © 2009 DocSalud.com - Todos los derechos reservados. - Términos >> y condiciones de uso >> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> ------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> ------------ >> >> >> > >> >> Gracias por tu respeto a todos, por tu solidaridad con el grupo y >> recuerda que estamos para ayudarnos mútuamente!. >> ______________ >> "Un fracasado es un hombre que ha cometido un error y que no es capaz de >> convertirlo en experiencia" ... Hubrard. >> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------**--------- >> Tu dirección de suscripción a este boletín es gera1027 at gmail.com >> Para darte de baja, envía un mensaje a >> tiflo-recursos-baja at eListas.**net >> Para obtener ayuda, visita http://www.eListas.net/lista/**tiflo-recursos >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/deb.** >> mendelsohn%40gmail.com >> > > > > -- > *Deb's Cell: 520-225-8244* > -- *Deb's Cell: 520-225-8244* From deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 23:01:45 2012 From: deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com (Deb Mendelsohn) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:01:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF SPANISH ARTICLE Message-ID: November 7 First official release of these distinctive ? Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not one? Send by mail Print Share Text Size By: Celina Abud Twenty years ago, a Braille teacher and guidance techniques discovered white cane? Was not all black? for some people who had a? certificate of legal blindness?. It was when one of his students noted that although the view was obstructed in the central area of the eye, could see sideways. Since then, Pearl's life changed in May, and was dedicated to fighting for individuals with low vision, a problem that, although it reaches 135 million people worldwide, is still unknown to society. He pledged, traveled, presented a thesis in New York, and through his efforts, there is a discipline of rehabilitation for sufferers to read, handled and, to even study in public schools. Mayo, who chairs the American Association of Low Vision • the right to see?, Was the creator of green cane, which serves as a badge of suffering the problem. After the first official release of hundred of these elements, Mayo DocSalud.com spoke with the fruits of their struggle and what remains to be done. Reporter: How did the idea of the white cane? Prof. Perla May: 20 years ago, in one of the schools where I taught orientation and mobility techniques with white cane and Braille, one of my students, Frederick, looked at me and said,? Miss, today you have not put the earring? . Then I asked? Fede, do you you can see? And he answered? If I look at the ceiling, I can see by bit under eye?. He had been diagnosed with ROP but your certificate say? Legal blindness?, Which meant that the child should go to a school for the blind, use a white cane and learn to read and write Braille. Between 1996 and 1997, many people who were in the same situation Federico told me,? Ma'am, I do not want to use white cane because I'm blind, I see something on the street and discriminate me because if I read the white cane in the collectively, they tell me that I'm not down blind?. So I noticed that people with low vision did not have a membership group with which to identify. I then painted a white cane with a green spray, green color of hope, green see-otherwise, see-again and from there we started this race until today, with the sanction of the law, with 10 000 using canes and the first official release of this element nationally. Q. What did you learn during the time that has been fighting for the dissemination of low vision? PM: In the 22 years that I am dedicated to researching the topic, I can say that thanks to God, to advances in technology and the constant struggle, there is the discipline of low vision and visual rehabilitation. What's this? Determine how you see and how you see the person. Federico, I saw underneath the eye, today could have been stimulated with a special electronic system to amplify the visual field and thus, a common school studying, reading, watching the face of his mother ... Federico Unfortunately today is blind, because if the eye does not work, you lose. He was denied the right to see. Therefore, the foundation which I chair, is called • the right to see? and its mission is to cover all schools in the country and Latin America, looking for people with a certificate? legal blindness? this remainder of vision. Q: What other achievements obtained in these 22 years? PM: First, the penalty in 2002 of Law 25,682, which determines the use of green cane for people with low vision. Today 10,000 Argentines lead. Also be making the first official release helps spread this, to share what it means, why it was created and what green cane diseases lead people to have low vision without being totally blind. In particular I am very excited and grateful for the support of John Carr, Solidarity Network. With the spread we say that it is time to stop looking the other way. Q: What is the impact of low vision in the world? PM: There are 135 million people who suffer from it, but people are not aware of this problem. You know you see and not see, but there are no low vision. The figures are alarming and the number will grow further because macular degeneration, disease of the elderly, causing this problem, and life expectancy is increasing. Q: In addition to macular degeneration, what other diseases can cause low vision? PM: Glaucoma, cataracts inoperable and retinitis pigmentosa. In children, a major cause is retinopathy of prematurity, very small at birth. Q. What is the importance of early diagnosis of these diseases? PM: It is essential because there are many avoidable blindness. Glaucoma can be prevented. Macular degeneration, taken in time, too. Finally, children born before term and remain in an incubator, they must handle well the retina to prevent its occurrence. Early diagnosis and treatment can make those people with low vision never become blind. Q: What do you look with today's event? PM: That this problem is more widespread and more not to confuse those who suffer with the blind, because there are many people who fall prey to a blindness that is not. I always say that the right to see is a right for all. But we see, many times we see nothing; many who see little, for lack of resources, end up not see, and those who see nothing, if society were a little less selfish, you might see a little more of the blue they see. Tags: green canes American Association Low Vision Pearl May For the right to see Go to File Latest in News ? Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not one? Preventing heatstroke Green canes delivered one hundred people with low vision Severe complications describe the use of cosmetic facial fillers Galletti:? Back in ten days to train? Copyright © 2009 DocSalud.com - All rights reserved. - Terms and conditions of use ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------ -- *Deb's Cell: 520-225-8244* From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 01:51:40 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:51:40 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: NVDA screen reader News: Version 2012.3 of NVDA is Finally Hear! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006501cdbe1c$c442b440$4cc81cc0$@gmail.com> -----Original Message----- From: nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org [mailto:nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org] On Behalf Of NVDA announcement list Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 3:57 AM To: nvda-announce at lists.nvaccess.org Subject: NVDA screen reader News: Version 2012.3 of NVDA is Finally Hear! Version 2012.3 of the free award-winning NVDA Screen Reader for Microsoft Windows has just been released. The NVDA screen-reading software is currently Providing more than 6,000 blind and vision impaired people independent access to Windows computers each day at home, at school, in the workplace and on the go. This release contains around 30 new features and 50 bug fixes including support for East-Asian character input, experimental support for touch screens on Windows 8, improved access to Adobe Reader and much much more. NVDA is free for anyone who needs it. However, if you would like to see it constantly improved, or you believe like NV Access that blind and vision impaired people should be able to use any type of technology for the same cost as their sighted peers, please consider making a single or monthly donation by going to http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate To find out more information about this release or to download a copy, please read the NVDA 2012.3 Release page at http://www.nvda-project.org/blog/NVDA2012.3Released Thank you to all the contributors and especially to all who have donated. Please consider donating to NV Access to support NVDA's continued development: http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate -- This is the NVDA announcement mailing list. To unsubscribe or edit your options, please visit: http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-announce From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 01:53:17 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:53:17 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: NVDA screen reader News: Version 2012.3 of NVDA is Finally Hear! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006601cdbe1c$fdb212c0$f9163840$@gmail.com> -----Original Message----- From: nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org [mailto:nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org] On Behalf Of NVDA announcement list Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 3:57 AM To: nvda-announce at lists.nvaccess.org Subject: NVDA screen reader News: Version 2012.3 of NVDA is Finally Hear! Version 2012.3 of the free award-winning NVDA Screen Reader for Microsoft Windows has just been released. The NVDA screen-reading software is currently Providing more than 6,000 blind and vision impaired people independent access to Windows computers each day at home, at school, in the workplace and on the go. This release contains around 30 new features and 50 bug fixes including support for East-Asian character input, experimental support for touch screens on Windows 8, improved access to Adobe Reader and much much more. NVDA is free for anyone who needs it. However, if you would like to see it constantly improved, or you believe like NV Access that blind and vision impaired people should be able to use any type of technology for the same cost as their sighted peers, please consider making a single or monthly donation by going to http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate To find out more information about this release or to download a copy, please read the NVDA 2012.3 Release page at http://www.nvda-project.org/blog/NVDA2012.3Released Thank you to all the contributors and especially to all who have donated. Please consider donating to NV Access to support NVDA's continued development: http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate -- This is the NVDA announcement mailing list. To unsubscribe or edit your options, please visit: http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-announce From dandrews at visi.com Fri Nov 9 02:12:19 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:12:19 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NVDA screen reader News: Version 2012.3 of NVDA is Finally Hear! Message-ID: > >Version 2012.3 of the free award-winning NVDA Screen Reader for >Microsoft Windows has just been released. The NVDA screen-reading >software is currently Providing more than 6,000 blind and vision >impaired people independent access to Windows computers each day at >home, at school, in the workplace and on the go. > >This release contains around 30 new features and 50 bug fixes >including support for East-Asian character input, experimental >support for touch screens on Windows 8, improved access to Adobe >Reader and much much more. > >NVDA is free for anyone who needs it. However, if you would like to >see it constantly improved, or you believe like NV Access that blind >and vision impaired people should be able to use any type of >technology for the same cost as their sighted peers, please consider >making a single or monthly donation by going to >http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate > >To find out more information about this release or to download a >copy, please read the NVDA 2012.3 Release page at >http://www.nvda-project.org/blog/NVDA2012.3Released > >Thank you to all the contributors and especially to all who have donated. > >Please consider donating to NV Access to support NVDA's continued development: >http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 02:27:41 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:27:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions Message-ID: Hi all, I apologize if these are dumb questions to ask, but I know nothing at all about NVDA and I am wondering what your experiences have been with it, how it compares to JAWS in terms of compatibility with basic Microsoft applications and what the learning curve is like to transition from JAWS to NVDA. I have been a consistent JAWS user for the past twenty years and I have generally been happy with JAWS, but recently I have been feeling kind of disappointed with the Web browser support in Windows 7 and I am also getting tired of paying for JAWS upgrades, so I am considering switching to NVDA. I need a screen reader that works smoothly with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Web browsers but not much else (though SAS support would be nice too). What are your suggestions? And if I already know JAWS commands, is it a big switch to go to NVDA? Thanks, Arielle From zdreicer at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 02:39:22 2012 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Griego-Dreicer, Zachary n) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:39:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <047FD130-5424-42B5-868B-FB03678DEA32@gmail.com> I have both and to me they seem similar Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > I apologize if these are dumb questions to ask, but I know nothing at > all about NVDA and I am wondering what your experiences have been with > it, how it compares to JAWS in terms of compatibility with basic > Microsoft applications and what the learning curve is like to > transition from JAWS to NVDA. I have been a consistent JAWS user for > the past twenty years and I have generally been happy with JAWS, but > recently I have been feeling kind of disappointed with the Web browser > support in Windows 7 and I am also getting tired of paying for JAWS > upgrades, so I am considering switching to NVDA. I need a screen > reader that works smoothly with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Web > browsers but not much else (though SAS support would be nice too). > What are your suggestions? And if I already know JAWS commands, is it > a big switch to go to NVDA? > Thanks, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From liamskitten at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 03:11:35 2012 From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 21:11:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] E-Mail Restored To My Control Message-ID: Hi all: Thanks so very much for letting me know that my E-mail had been hacked. Fortunately, I was able to access the account, and change the passwords/etc. etc. I have a tip for GMail users among you. This applies equally for sighted and blind; for the totally blind, you will require help setting this up, but not using it on a daily basis. There is a feature within Google Accounts called Two Step Verification. What this essentially does is give you a new verification code, iether by voice call or text message each time you sign in. Without knowing your phone number, a hacker is unable to bypass this second step and enter the account. It is cumbersome, but it seems imminently more secure. I only learned about this in researching prevenative methods today so something like this wouldn't happen again, and thought I would share. Again, thanks so much for all your messages and offers of help. Warmly, Courtney From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 03:14:48 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:14:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF SPANISH ARTICLE Message-ID: <509c7553.113a650a.6c9a.3a6f@mx.google.com> Deb, thanks forsending us the English translation of this. Though it was a bit choppy, I was able to read it. I disagree with the symbolism of the green cane. It seems to imply that people with low vision are suffering, that they cannot accept their blindness and move on. I have many friends who are low-vision and perfectly content with it. The electronic rehabilitation is good for those who would like to take advantage of it. However, I cannot agree with separating low-vision and blind people. ----- Original Message ----- From: Deb Mendelsohn I don't quite get what the green cane is supposed to represent either. Is it showing that people with low vision don't "suffer" as much as the "blind" people who use white canes with no green stripe on them? Or do they suffer more because they are misunderstood? Or is it supposed to represent some hope that the people with low vision might be able to see someday whereas the full-on blind people can't? If this is happening in Argentina, there might be cultural differences we Americans don't quite follow, too. I have a couple reactions to this article if it is indeed saying what I think it is. First of all it is very difficult to differentiate between blind and low-vision. Where does one end and the other begin? Clearly "totals" are blind, but what about folks with light perception? I have light perception and I usually just refer to myself as a total because for most functional purposes I am, but today I was able to move around a truck on the sidewalk without tapping it with my cane because the lighting was good and I could see it. So am I low-vision? And then at the other end, if we call people "blind" who can see a few feet in front of them, what about people who can read a print book if they press it against their face? Are they blind or low-vision? It's very unclear. Second, I think there is a lot more we need to learn about what it is like to have "low vision" and whether it makes life better or worse to go ahead and call oneself "blind" and use blindness skills even if one has enough vision to go either way. Many sighted people and blindness professionals think that having "low vision" is automatically better than being "blind" but some research I've read suggests that people with "low vision" are at greater risk for self-esteem issues and other difficulties than "blind" people. And I worry that encouraging "low-vision" folks to eschew blindness skills actually creates more challenges for them. Many of us in the NFB have had these kinds of experiences. You may recall that last summer I did a survey of legally blind adults to assess what predicts well-being and employment outcomes for us. I have started looking at the data and am planning to release a full report to all the listservs by January. However, one interesting thing that turned up in the data is that people who reported having some usable vision were less content with their lives, on average, than people who reported being totally blind or having light perception. Not surprisingly, people with usable vision reported using Braille and cane skills less frequently in their daily lives, on average, and this discrepancy appears to underlie at least part of the happiness difference between totally blind and partially blind folks. Again, this is just preliminary and I haven't finished analyzing all the possible reasons for this finding, but it is very interesting and something we should think and talk more about. It suggests that partially blind folks who get training and use blindness skills on a regular basis should be just as content with their lives as totally blind folks, but that folks who are struggling to pass as sighted end up feeling the pain of their efforts at the end of the day when they think about how happy they are with their lives overall. Best, Arielle From deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 03:54:59 2012 From: deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com (Deb Mendelsohn) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 20:54:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF SPANISH ARTICLE In-Reply-To: <509c7553.113a650a.6c9a.3a6f@mx.google.com> References: <509c7553.113a650a.6c9a.3a6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: HI SOPHIE, YOU ARE MOST WELCOME. I AM A LIBRARIAN AND VERY GLAD TO HELP WHEN I CAN. I AM GOING TO U OF AZ GRAD SCHOOL FOR LIBRARY SCIENCE, THIS WAS A GOOD EXERCISE FOR ME. FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME, IF YOU NEED HELP IN THE FUTURE. GMAIL TRANSLATED THIS, SO I CANNOT CONTROL HOW CHOPPY IT IS. THIS NEEDED TO BE SENT OUT TO NABS & OTHER BLIND GROUPS. HAVING LAZY EYE AND BEING LEGALLY BLIND, ALL MY LIFE, I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER WAY. DEB On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Deb, thanks forsending us the English translation of this. Though it was a > bit choppy, I was able to read it. I disagree with the symbolism of the > green cane. It seems to imply that people with low vision are suffering, > that they cannot accept their blindness and move on. I have many friends > who are low-vision and perfectly content with it. The electronic > rehabilitation is good for those who would like to take advantage of it. > However, I cannot agree with separating low-vision and blind people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Deb Mendelsohn To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:01:45 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF SPANISH ARTICLE > > November > > 7 > > First official release of these distinctive > > ? Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not one? > > Send by mail Print Share Text Size > > By: Celina Abud > > Twenty years ago, a Braille teacher and guidance techniques discovered > white cane? Was not all black? for some people who had a? certificate of > legal blindness?. It was when one of his students noted that although the > view was obstructed in the central area of the eye, could see sideways. > > Since then, Pearl's life changed in May, and was dedicated to fighting for > individuals with low vision, a problem that, although it reaches 135 > million people worldwide, is still unknown to society. He pledged, > traveled, presented a thesis in New York, and through his efforts, there is > a discipline of rehabilitation for sufferers to read, handled and, to even > study in public schools. > > Mayo, who chairs the American Association of Low Vision • the right to > see?, Was the creator of green cane, which serves as a badge of suffering > the problem. After the first official release of hundred of these elements, > Mayo DocSalud.com spoke with the fruits of their struggle and what remains > to be done. > > Reporter: How did the idea of the white cane? > > Prof. Perla May: 20 years ago, in one of the schools where I taught > orientation and mobility techniques with white cane and Braille, one of my > students, Frederick, looked at me and said,? Miss, today you have not put > the earring? . Then I asked? Fede, do you you can see? And he answered? If > I look at the ceiling, I can see by bit under eye?. He had been diagnosed > with ROP but your certificate say? Legal blindness?, Which meant that the > child should go to a school for the blind, use a white cane and learn to > read and write Braille. Between 1996 and 1997, many people who were in the > same situation Federico told me,? Ma'am, I do not want to use white cane > because I'm blind, I see something on the street and discriminate me > because if I read the white cane in the collectively, they tell me that I'm > not down blind?. So I noticed that people with low vision did not have a > membership group with which to identify. I then painted a white cane with a > green spray, green color of hope, green see-otherwise, see-again and from > there we started this race until today, with the sanction of the law, with > 10 000 using canes and the first official release of this element > nationally. > > Q. What did you learn during the time that has been fighting for the > dissemination of low vision? > > PM: In the 22 years that I am dedicated to researching the topic, I can say > that thanks to God, to advances in technology and the constant struggle, > there is the discipline of low vision and visual rehabilitation. What's > this? Determine how you see and how you see the person. Federico, I saw > underneath the eye, today could have been stimulated with a special > electronic system to amplify the visual field and thus, a common school > studying, reading, watching the face of his mother ... Federico > Unfortunately today is blind, because if the eye does not work, you lose. > He was denied the right to see. Therefore, the foundation which I chair, is > called • the right to see? and its mission is to cover all schools in the > country and Latin America, looking for people with a certificate? legal > blindness? this remainder of vision. > > Q: What other achievements obtained in these 22 years? > > PM: First, the penalty in 2002 of Law 25,682, which determines the use of > green cane for people with low vision. Today 10,000 Argentines lead. Also > be making the first official release helps spread this, to share what it > means, why it was created and what green cane diseases lead people to have > low vision without being totally blind. In particular I am very excited and > grateful for the support of John Carr, Solidarity Network. With the spread > we say that it is time to stop looking the other way. > > Q: What is the impact of low vision in the world? > > PM: There are 135 million people who suffer from it, but people are not > aware of this problem. You know you see and not see, but there are no low > vision. The figures are alarming and the number will grow further because > macular degeneration, disease of the elderly, causing this problem, and > life expectancy is increasing. > > Q: In addition to macular degeneration, what other diseases can cause low > vision? > > PM: Glaucoma, cataracts inoperable and retinitis pigmentosa. In children, a > major cause is retinopathy of prematurity, very small at birth. > > Q. What is the importance of early diagnosis of these diseases? > > PM: It is essential because there are many avoidable blindness. Glaucoma > can be prevented. Macular degeneration, taken in time, too. Finally, > children born before term and remain in an incubator, they must handle well > the retina to prevent its occurrence. Early diagnosis and treatment can > make those people with low vision never become blind. > > Q: What do you look with today's event? > > PM: That this problem is more widespread and more not to confuse those who > suffer with the blind, because there are many people who fall prey to a > blindness that is not. I always say that the right to see is a right for > all. But we see, many times we see nothing; many who see little, for lack > of resources, end up not see, and those who see nothing, if society were a > little less selfish, you might see a little more of the blue they see. > > Tags: green canes American Association Low Vision Pearl May For the right > to see > > Go to File > > Latest in News > > ? Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not one? > > Preventing heatstroke > > Green canes delivered one hundred people with low vision > > Severe complications describe the use of cosmetic facial fillers > > Galletti:? Back in ten days to train? > > Copyright © 2009 DocSalud.com - All rights reserved. - Terms and conditions > of use > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------ > > > -- > *Deb's Cell: 520-225-8244* > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/deb.** > mendelsohn%40gmail.com > -- *Deb's Cell: 520-225-8244* From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 04:54:06 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 23:54:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] E-Mail Restored To My Control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B81D31D-A404-4943-A8F3-100882633931@gmail.com> hello courtney, in what step did you find that blind people needed help with this? I remember setting this up alone, so if you would share with me where you had problems, (i don't remember the entire process by heart) I would be glad to help you figure out a solution. I am glad you got you e-mail back. thanks MauricioOn Nov 8, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Courtney Stover wrote: > Hi all: > > Thanks so very much for letting me know that my E-mail had been hacked. > > Fortunately, I was able to access the account, and change the > passwords/etc. etc. > > I have a tip for GMail users among you. This applies equally for > sighted and blind; for the totally blind, you will require help > setting this up, but not using it on a daily basis. > > There is a feature within Google Accounts called Two Step > Verification. What this essentially does is give you a new > verification code, iether by voice call or text message each time you > sign in. Without knowing your phone number, a hacker is unable to > bypass this second step and enter the account. It is cumbersome, but > it seems imminently more secure. > > I only learned about this in researching prevenative methods today so > something like this wouldn't happen again, and thought I would share. > Again, thanks so much for all your messages and offers of help. > Warmly, > Courtney > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 05:02:04 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 00:02:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: dear arielle, Being an accessibility consultant, I would be glad to help you with your questions over e-mail off list, phone or Skype, with no cost, but here are a few things you should consider: While nvda works greatly with microsoft word and excel, the way nvda reads web browsers is very much so different than the way jaws does. a main difference is present in the way it reads tables. while jaws will read you coluns, nvda will read you line by line (Or the other way around, I will test and confirm it for you). another key difference i have found, (and it will be up to you to determine how much it matters to you) is in the fact that jaws has a much more advanced cursor than nvda does. while nvda is getting much better, i still find jaws's approach in this regard is superior and commands to operate the cursor are easier to manage. commands are similar, in the sense that you may also use, for instance, caps lock as an nvda modifier key, so you should be good to go in that sense for the most part. Let me know if you have any additional questions or if you would like to discuss this further, there are also window eyes and system access, both of which are much cheaper and debatably as good as jaws, and are worth exploring. Mauricio On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > I apologize if these are dumb questions to ask, but I know nothing at > all about NVDA and I am wondering what your experiences have been with > it, how it compares to JAWS in terms of compatibility with basic > Microsoft applications and what the learning curve is like to > transition from JAWS to NVDA. I have been a consistent JAWS user for > the past twenty years and I have generally been happy with JAWS, but > recently I have been feeling kind of disappointed with the Web browser > support in Windows 7 and I am also getting tired of paying for JAWS > upgrades, so I am considering switching to NVDA. I need a screen > reader that works smoothly with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Web > browsers but not much else (though SAS support would be nice too). > What are your suggestions? And if I already know JAWS commands, is it > a big switch to go to NVDA? > Thanks, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Nov 9 10:09:20 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:09:20 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] E-Mail Restored To My Control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Courtney. I'm glad you finally got your E-mail working propperly again. I have a question for you though. Why do I have such a problem getting the audio captcha to play with GMail? I'm trying to set up a new address, since I'm graduating from college in May. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Courtney Stover [liamskitten at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] E-Mail Restored To My Control Hi all: Thanks so very much for letting me know that my E-mail had been hacked. Fortunately, I was able to access the account, and change the passwords/etc. etc. I have a tip for GMail users among you. This applies equally for sighted and blind; for the totally blind, you will require help setting this up, but not using it on a daily basis. There is a feature within Google Accounts called Two Step Verification. What this essentially does is give you a new verification code, iether by voice call or text message each time you sign in. Without knowing your phone number, a hacker is unable to bypass this second step and enter the account. It is cumbersome, but it seems imminently more secure. I only learned about this in researching prevenative methods today so something like this wouldn't happen again, and thought I would share. Again, thanks so much for all your messages and offers of help. Warmly, Courtney _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From gera1027 at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 15:40:20 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:40:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <509D23E4.5050705@gmail.com> Hi Ariel and Listers: Definitely a bit of a learning curve especially in the equivalent of Jaws cursor (In NvDA is called Object Navegation) but other than that, it's nearly the same as Jaws; Oh and also a learning curve in that when going to a form field, you have to do Enter to get in; other than that it's nearly the same; same basic commands using the Caps lock key plus down arrow to read all, Caps lock key (also called the NVDA key) plus up arrow reads current line. The NVDA keyboard help and manual found by going to NVDA+n to reach the NVDA menu, are very helpful and welll done! Good luck! El 08/11/2012 08:27 p.m., Arielle Silverman escribió: > Hi all, > I apologize if these are dumb questions to ask, but I know nothing at > all about NVDA and I am wondering what your experiences have been with > it, how it compares to JAWS in terms of compatibility with basic > Microsoft applications and what the learning curve is like to > transition from JAWS to NVDA. I have been a consistent JAWS user for > the past twenty years and I have generally been happy with JAWS, but > recently I have been feeling kind of disappointed with the Web browser > support in Windows 7 and I am also getting tired of paying for JAWS > upgrades, so I am considering switching to NVDA. I need a screen > reader that works smoothly with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Web > browsers but not much else (though SAS support would be nice too). > What are your suggestions? And if I already know JAWS commands, is it > a big switch to go to NVDA? > Thanks, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com From gera1027 at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 15:43:39 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:43:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF SPANISH ARTICLE In-Reply-To: <509c7553.113a650a.6c9a.3a6f@mx.google.com> References: <509c7553.113a650a.6c9a.3a6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <509D24AB.3060001@gmail.com> Me too; that's why I re-sent the article; I'd have a feeling it'd bring up good discussion. I also believe that either you're blind/visually impaired or normal. El 08/11/2012 09:14 p.m., Sophie Trist escribió: > Deb, thanks forsending us the English translation of this. Though it > was a bit choppy, I was able to read it. I disagree with the symbolism > of the green cane. It seems to imply that people with low vision are > suffering, that they cannot accept their blindness and move on. I have > many friends who are low-vision and perfectly content with it. The > electronic rehabilitation is good for those who would like to take > advantage of it. However, I cannot agree with separating low-vision > and blind people. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Deb Mendelsohn To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:01:45 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF SPANISH ARTICLE > > November > > 7 > > First official release of these distinctive > > ? Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not one? > > Send by mail Print Share Text Size > > By: Celina Abud > > Twenty years ago, a Braille teacher and guidance techniques discovered > white cane? Was not all black? for some people who had a? certificate of > legal blindness?. It was when one of his students noted that although the > view was obstructed in the central area of the eye, could see sideways. > > Since then, Pearl's life changed in May, and was dedicated to fighting > for > individuals with low vision, a problem that, although it reaches 135 > million people worldwide, is still unknown to society. He pledged, > traveled, presented a thesis in New York, and through his efforts, > there is > a discipline of rehabilitation for sufferers to read, handled and, to > even > study in public schools. > > Mayo, who chairs the American Association of Low Vision • the right to > see?, Was the creator of green cane, which serves as a badge of suffering > the problem. After the first official release of hundred of these > elements, > Mayo DocSalud.com spoke with the fruits of their struggle and what > remains > to be done. > > Reporter: How did the idea of the white cane? > > Prof. Perla May: 20 years ago, in one of the schools where I taught > orientation and mobility techniques with white cane and Braille, one > of my > students, Frederick, looked at me and said,? Miss, today you have not put > the earring? . Then I asked? Fede, do you you can see? And he > answered? If > I look at the ceiling, I can see by bit under eye?. He had been diagnosed > with ROP but your certificate say? Legal blindness?, Which meant that the > child should go to a school for the blind, use a white cane and learn to > read and write Braille. Between 1996 and 1997, many people who were in > the > same situation Federico told me,? Ma'am, I do not want to use white cane > because I'm blind, I see something on the street and discriminate me > because if I read the white cane in the collectively, they tell me > that I'm > not down blind?. So I noticed that people with low vision did not have a > membership group with which to identify. I then painted a white cane > with a > green spray, green color of hope, green see-otherwise, see-again and from > there we started this race until today, with the sanction of the law, > with > 10 000 using canes and the first official release of this element > nationally. > > Q. What did you learn during the time that has been fighting for the > dissemination of low vision? > > PM: In the 22 years that I am dedicated to researching the topic, I > can say > that thanks to God, to advances in technology and the constant struggle, > there is the discipline of low vision and visual rehabilitation. What's > this? Determine how you see and how you see the person. Federico, I saw > underneath the eye, today could have been stimulated with a special > electronic system to amplify the visual field and thus, a common school > studying, reading, watching the face of his mother ... Federico > Unfortunately today is blind, because if the eye does not work, you lose. > He was denied the right to see. Therefore, the foundation which I > chair, is > called • the right to see? and its mission is to cover all schools in the > country and Latin America, looking for people with a certificate? legal > blindness? this remainder of vision. > > Q: What other achievements obtained in these 22 years? > > PM: First, the penalty in 2002 of Law 25,682, which determines the use of > green cane for people with low vision. Today 10,000 Argentines lead. Also > be making the first official release helps spread this, to share what it > means, why it was created and what green cane diseases lead people to > have > low vision without being totally blind. In particular I am very > excited and > grateful for the support of John Carr, Solidarity Network. With the > spread > we say that it is time to stop looking the other way. > > Q: What is the impact of low vision in the world? > > PM: There are 135 million people who suffer from it, but people are not > aware of this problem. You know you see and not see, but there are no low > vision. The figures are alarming and the number will grow further because > macular degeneration, disease of the elderly, causing this problem, and > life expectancy is increasing. > > Q: In addition to macular degeneration, what other diseases can cause low > vision? > > PM: Glaucoma, cataracts inoperable and retinitis pigmentosa. In > children, a > major cause is retinopathy of prematurity, very small at birth. > > Q. What is the importance of early diagnosis of these diseases? > > PM: It is essential because there are many avoidable blindness. Glaucoma > can be prevented. Macular degeneration, taken in time, too. Finally, > children born before term and remain in an incubator, they must handle > well > the retina to prevent its occurrence. Early diagnosis and treatment can > make those people with low vision never become blind. > > Q: What do you look with today's event? > > PM: That this problem is more widespread and more not to confuse those > who > suffer with the blind, because there are many people who fall prey to a > blindness that is not. I always say that the right to see is a right for > all. But we see, many times we see nothing; many who see little, for lack > of resources, end up not see, and those who see nothing, if society > were a > little less selfish, you might see a little more of the blue they see. > > Tags: green canes American Association Low Vision Pearl May For the right > to see > > Go to File > > Latest in News > > ? Many people fall prey to a blindness that is not one? > > Preventing heatstroke > > Green canes delivered one hundred people with low vision > > Severe complications describe the use of cosmetic facial fillers > > Galletti:? Back in ten days to train? > > Copyright © 2009 DocSalud.com - All rights reserved. - Terms and > conditions > of use > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ > ------------ > > > -- > *Deb's Cell: 520-225-8244* > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com From nimerjaber1 at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 15:47:01 2012 From: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nimer_M=2E_Jaber=2C_IC=B3?=) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:47:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions In-Reply-To: <509D23E4.5050705@gmail.com> References: <509D23E4.5050705@gmail.com> Message-ID: Mauricio, You are a consultant for access and you charge for services however you do not know the differences between JAWS and NVDA. First, NVDA and JAWS both read tables in the layout that you choose, depending on how you have the web layout set in both of their options. Object navigation will not read every single thing that the JAWS cursor does, but this is imaterial as you aren't normally having to use the JAWS cursor or the NVDA cursor in Microsoft apps. And Window-Eyes is definitely not cheaper than JAWS, unless you're talking about JAWS professional, and window-eyes web browser support lacks behind JAWS and NVDA both, or at least did before version eight came out, although it's a bit better now. Ok, that's all I have to contribute. I would give NVDA a try, I would ask lots of questions, I am one of the moderators on nvda's list on freelists, and there is also a support list for NVDA that can be found by accessing nvda-project.org and going to the community link I think. I would try it out and if it works for you, great. If it doesn't, then it doesn't. On 11/9/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > Hi Ariel and Listers: Definitely a bit of a learning curve especially > in the equivalent of Jaws cursor (In NvDA is called Object Navegation) > but other than that, it's nearly the same as Jaws; Oh and also a > learning curve in that when going to a form field, you have to do Enter > to get in; other than that it's nearly the same; same basic commands > using the Caps lock key plus down arrow to read all, Caps lock key (also > called the NVDA key) plus up arrow reads current line. > The NVDA keyboard help and manual found by going to NVDA+n to reach the > NVDA menu, are very helpful and welll done! Good luck! > El 08/11/2012 08:27 p.m., Arielle Silverman escribió: >> Hi all, >> I apologize if these are dumb questions to ask, but I know nothing at >> all about NVDA and I am wondering what your experiences have been with >> it, how it compares to JAWS in terms of compatibility with basic >> Microsoft applications and what the learning curve is like to >> transition from JAWS to NVDA. I have been a consistent JAWS user for >> the past twenty years and I have generally been happy with JAWS, but >> recently I have been feeling kind of disappointed with the Web browser >> support in Windows 7 and I am also getting tired of paying for JAWS >> upgrades, so I am considering switching to NVDA. I need a screen >> reader that works smoothly with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Web >> browsers but not much else (though SAS support would be nice too). >> What are your suggestions? And if I already know JAWS commands, is it >> a big switch to go to NVDA? >> Thanks, >> Arielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Cordially, Nimer Jaber Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains some information about the email you have just read and all attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk. The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is up to you. Thanks. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank you, and have a great day! From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 16:32:59 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 08:32:59 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions In-Reply-To: References: <509D23E4.5050705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3B3346CCD44E459AAC08FDEF20EDCECE@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, I use both, the only reason why I use Jaws still is because I am constantly using Jaws scripts for products that NVDA would never support. I've also not the time to write dictionary's for NVDA like I have with Jaws. I also use the multiple language switching feature in Jaws constantly, so that is another thing NVDA doesn't have to my knowledge. Admittedly I don't have training on NVDA like I do with Jaws, but what I have found is that NVDA is awesome except for the above. I do know people who swear by system access though, but I've never used it. My mom, a TVI is looking to switch over to NVDA for her students instead of Jaws because of the huge cost of maintaining Jaws for both the school and the student's family. I say go with it! Just make sure you change that voice! Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:47 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions Mauricio, You are a consultant for access and you charge for services however you do not know the differences between JAWS and NVDA. First, NVDA and JAWS both read tables in the layout that you choose, depending on how you have the web layout set in both of their options. Object navigation will not read every single thing that the JAWS cursor does, but this is imaterial as you aren't normally having to use the JAWS cursor or the NVDA cursor in Microsoft apps. And Window-Eyes is definitely not cheaper than JAWS, unless you're talking about JAWS professional, and window-eyes web browser support lacks behind JAWS and NVDA both, or at least did before version eight came out, although it's a bit better now. Ok, that's all I have to contribute. I would give NVDA a try, I would ask lots of questions, I am one of the moderators on nvda's list on freelists, and there is also a support list for NVDA that can be found by accessing nvda-project.org and going to the community link I think. I would try it out and if it works for you, great. If it doesn't, then it doesn't. On 11/9/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > Hi Ariel and Listers: Definitely a bit of a learning curve especially > in the equivalent of Jaws cursor (In NvDA is called Object Navegation) > but other than that, it's nearly the same as Jaws; Oh and also a > learning curve in that when going to a form field, you have to do Enter > to get in; other than that it's nearly the same; same basic commands > using the Caps lock key plus down arrow to read all, Caps lock key (also > called the NVDA key) plus up arrow reads current line. > The NVDA keyboard help and manual found by going to NVDA+n to reach the > NVDA menu, are very helpful and welll done! Good luck! > El 08/11/2012 08:27 p.m., Arielle Silverman escribió: >> Hi all, >> I apologize if these are dumb questions to ask, but I know nothing at >> all about NVDA and I am wondering what your experiences have been with >> it, how it compares to JAWS in terms of compatibility with basic >> Microsoft applications and what the learning curve is like to >> transition from JAWS to NVDA. I have been a consistent JAWS user for >> the past twenty years and I have generally been happy with JAWS, but >> recently I have been feeling kind of disappointed with the Web browser >> support in Windows 7 and I am also getting tired of paying for JAWS >> upgrades, so I am considering switching to NVDA. I need a screen >> reader that works smoothly with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Web >> browsers but not much else (though SAS support would be nice too). >> What are your suggestions? And if I already know JAWS commands, is it >> a big switch to go to NVDA? >> Thanks, >> Arielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Cordially, Nimer Jaber Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains some information about the email you have just read and all attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk. The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is up to you. Thanks. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720) (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank you, and have a great day! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From gera1027 at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 16:38:32 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:38:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions In-Reply-To: <3B3346CCD44E459AAC08FDEF20EDCECE@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <509D23E4.5050705@gmail.com> <3B3346CCD44E459AAC08FDEF20EDCECE@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <509D3188.5080508@gmail.com> Brandon and listers: NVDA does have a multilingual featuer, but depends on what voice you use. AT least on the Eloquence specific to NVDA http://is.gd/kcE6pU by going NVDA+v, you can select either l for Latinamerican. a for American English. Gerardo El 09/11/2012 10:32 a.m., Brandon Keith Biggs escribió: > Hello, > I use both, the only reason why I use Jaws still is because I am > constantly using Jaws scripts for products that NVDA would never > support. I've also not the time to write dictionary's for NVDA like I > have with Jaws. I also use the multiple language switching feature in > Jaws constantly, so that is another thing NVDA doesn't have to my > knowledge. > Admittedly I don't have > training on NVDA like I do with Jaws, but what I have found is that > NVDA is awesome except for the above. > I do know people who swear by system access though, but I've never > used it. > My mom, a TVI is looking to switch over to NVDA for her students > instead of Jaws because of the huge cost of maintaining Jaws for both > the school and the student's family. > I say go with it! Just make sure you change that voice! > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:47 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions > > Mauricio, > > You are a consultant for access and you charge for services however > you do not know the differences between JAWS and NVDA. First, NVDA and > JAWS both read tables in the layout that you choose, depending on how > you have the web layout set in both of their options. Object > navigation will not read every single thing that the JAWS cursor does, > but this is imaterial as you aren't normally having to use the JAWS > cursor or the NVDA cursor in Microsoft apps. And Window-Eyes is > definitely not cheaper than JAWS, unless you're talking about JAWS > professional, and window-eyes web browser support lacks behind JAWS > and NVDA both, or at least did before version eight came out, although > it's a bit better now. > > Ok, that's all I have to contribute. I would give NVDA a try, I would > ask lots of questions, I am one of the moderators on nvda's list on > freelists, and there is also a support list for NVDA that can be found > by accessing nvda-project.org and going to the community link I think. > I would try it out and if it works for you, great. If it doesn't, then > it doesn't. > > On 11/9/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >> Hi Ariel and Listers: Definitely a bit of a learning curve especially >> in the equivalent of Jaws cursor (In NvDA is called Object Navegation) >> but other than that, it's nearly the same as Jaws; Oh and also a >> learning curve in that when going to a form field, you have to do Enter >> to get in; other than that it's nearly the same; same basic commands >> using the Caps lock key plus down arrow to read all, Caps lock key (also >> called the NVDA key) plus up arrow reads current line. >> The NVDA keyboard help and manual found by going to NVDA+n to reach the >> NVDA menu, are very helpful and welll done! Good luck! >> El 08/11/2012 08:27 p.m., Arielle Silverman escribió: >>> Hi all, >>> I apologize if these are dumb questions to ask, but I know nothing at >>> all about NVDA and I am wondering what your experiences have been with >>> it, how it compares to JAWS in terms of compatibility with basic >>> Microsoft applications and what the learning curve is like to >>> transition from JAWS to NVDA. I have been a consistent JAWS user for >>> the past twenty years and I have generally been happy with JAWS, but >>> recently I have been feeling kind of disappointed with the Web browser >>> support in Windows 7 and I am also getting tired of paying for JAWS >>> upgrades, so I am considering switching to NVDA. I need a screen >>> reader that works smoothly with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Web >>> browsers but not much else (though SAS support would be nice too). >>> What are your suggestions? And if I already know JAWS commands, is it >>> a big switch to go to NVDA? >>> Thanks, >>> Arielle >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> >> > > From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 17:03:10 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:03:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions In-Reply-To: <509D3188.5080508@gmail.com> References: <509D23E4.5050705@gmail.com> <3B3346CCD44E459AAC08FDEF20EDCECE@BrandonsLaptop2> <509D3188.5080508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <854A2831-CF29-4AFE-8BC8-F3D51E4DB4E3@gmail.com> greetings, I charge for certain services, such as placing websites under WCAG's compliance, ofr instance, however, most of my official work has to be done in south america as that is where brazilian companies can operate with their brasilian registrations in an easy manner. I obviously know those capabilities as i use jaws since it's 5.20 version, but i figured i wouldn't post every single function of each of them in the list. The need to use a cursor or not varies very much based on two factors: one, what activities you perform, two, how you choose to perform them. window eyes is cheaper than jaws, in the sense that gwmicro offers a monthly plan, which, for some people, means that they can afford it.when giving people options, you have to consider different realities and let them choose what is best for them. as far as tables, I referred to the default layout, given that almost everything is customizable in a screen reader today. as she is switching screen readers and wanted a comparison, it was definitely worth mentioning the default layouts are different. regards, mauricio On Nov 9, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > Brandon and listers: NVDA does have a multilingual featuer, but depends on what voice you use. AT least on the Eloquence specific to NVDA > http://is.gd/kcE6pU > by going NVDA+v, you can select either l for Latinamerican. a for American English. > Gerardo > El 09/11/2012 10:32 a.m., Brandon Keith Biggs escribió: >> Hello, >> I use both, the only reason why I use Jaws still is because I am constantly using Jaws scripts for products that NVDA would never support. I've also not the time to write dictionary's for NVDA like I have with Jaws. I also use the multiple language switching feature in Jaws constantly, so that is another thing NVDA doesn't have to my knowledge. >> Admittedly I don't have >> training on NVDA like I do with Jaws, but what I have found is that NVDA is awesome except for the above. >> I do know people who swear by system access though, but I've never used it. >> My mom, a TVI is looking to switch over to NVDA for her students instead of Jaws because of the huge cost of maintaining Jaws for both the school and the student's family. >> I say go with it! Just make sure you change that voice! >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ >> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:47 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions >> >> Mauricio, >> >> You are a consultant for access and you charge for services however >> you do not know the differences between JAWS and NVDA. First, NVDA and >> JAWS both read tables in the layout that you choose, depending on how >> you have the web layout set in both of their options. Object >> navigation will not read every single thing that the JAWS cursor does, >> but this is imaterial as you aren't normally having to use the JAWS >> cursor or the NVDA cursor in Microsoft apps. And Window-Eyes is >> definitely not cheaper than JAWS, unless you're talking about JAWS >> professional, and window-eyes web browser support lacks behind JAWS >> and NVDA both, or at least did before version eight came out, although >> it's a bit better now. >> >> Ok, that's all I have to contribute. I would give NVDA a try, I would >> ask lots of questions, I am one of the moderators on nvda's list on >> freelists, and there is also a support list for NVDA that can be found >> by accessing nvda-project.org and going to the community link I think. >> I would try it out and if it works for you, great. If it doesn't, then >> it doesn't. >> >> On 11/9/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >>> Hi Ariel and Listers: Definitely a bit of a learning curve especially >>> in the equivalent of Jaws cursor (In NvDA is called Object Navegation) >>> but other than that, it's nearly the same as Jaws; Oh and also a >>> learning curve in that when going to a form field, you have to do Enter >>> to get in; other than that it's nearly the same; same basic commands >>> using the Caps lock key plus down arrow to read all, Caps lock key (also >>> called the NVDA key) plus up arrow reads current line. >>> The NVDA keyboard help and manual found by going to NVDA+n to reach the >>> NVDA menu, are very helpful and welll done! Good luck! >>> El 08/11/2012 08:27 p.m., Arielle Silverman escribió: >>>> Hi all, >>>> I apologize if these are dumb questions to ask, but I know nothing at >>>> all about NVDA and I am wondering what your experiences have been with >>>> it, how it compares to JAWS in terms of compatibility with basic >>>> Microsoft applications and what the learning curve is like to >>>> transition from JAWS to NVDA. I have been a consistent JAWS user for >>>> the past twenty years and I have generally been happy with JAWS, but >>>> recently I have been feeling kind of disappointed with the Web browser >>>> support in Windows 7 and I am also getting tired of paying for JAWS >>>> upgrades, so I am considering switching to NVDA. I need a screen >>>> reader that works smoothly with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Web >>>> browsers but not much else (though SAS support would be nice too). >>>> What are your suggestions? And if I already know JAWS commands, is it >>>> a big switch to go to NVDA? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com From nimerjaber1 at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 17:16:42 2012 From: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nimer_M=2E_Jaber=2C_IC=B3?=) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:16:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions In-Reply-To: <854A2831-CF29-4AFE-8BC8-F3D51E4DB4E3@gmail.com> References: <509D23E4.5050705@gmail.com> <3B3346CCD44E459AAC08FDEF20EDCECE@BrandonsLaptop2> <509D3188.5080508@gmail.com> <854A2831-CF29-4AFE-8BC8-F3D51E4DB4E3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, NVDA does have a language detect feature that can be enabled, and NVDA allows for writing scripts and plugins as well. I'm not sure what you meant about the dictionary bit though. Thanks. On 11/9/12, Mauricio Almeida wrote: > greetings, > > I charge for certain services, such as placing websites under WCAG's > compliance, ofr instance, however, most of my official work has to be done > in south america as that is where brazilian companies can operate with their > brasilian registrations in an easy manner. > I obviously know those capabilities as i use jaws since it's 5.20 version, > but i figured i wouldn't post every single function of each of them in the > list. > The need to use a cursor or not varies very much based on two factors: one, > what activities you perform, two, how you choose to perform them. > window eyes is cheaper than jaws, in the sense that gwmicro offers a monthly > plan, which, for some people, means that they can afford it.when giving > people options, you have to consider different realities and let them choose > what is best for them. > > as far as tables, I referred to the default layout, given that almost > everything is customizable in a screen reader today. as she is switching > screen readers and wanted a comparison, it was definitely worth mentioning > the default layouts are different. > > regards, > > mauricio > On Nov 9, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > >> Brandon and listers: NVDA does have a multilingual featuer, but depends on >> what voice you use. AT least on the Eloquence specific to NVDA >> http://is.gd/kcE6pU >> by going NVDA+v, you can select either l for Latinamerican. a for American >> English. >> Gerardo >> El 09/11/2012 10:32 a.m., Brandon Keith Biggs escribió: >>> Hello, >>> I use both, the only reason why I use Jaws still is because I am >>> constantly using Jaws scripts for products that NVDA would never support. >>> I've also not the time to write dictionary's for NVDA like I have with >>> Jaws. I also use the multiple language switching feature in Jaws >>> constantly, so that is another thing NVDA doesn't have to my knowledge. >>> Admittedly I don't have >>> training on NVDA like I do with Jaws, but what I have found is that NVDA >>> is awesome except for the above. >>> I do know people who swear by system access though, but I've never used >>> it. >>> My mom, a TVI is looking to switch over to NVDA for her students instead >>> of Jaws because of the huge cost of maintaining Jaws for both the school >>> and the student's family. >>> I say go with it! Just make sure you change that voice! >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> -----Original Message----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ >>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:47 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions >>> >>> Mauricio, >>> >>> You are a consultant for access and you charge for services however >>> you do not know the differences between JAWS and NVDA. First, NVDA and >>> JAWS both read tables in the layout that you choose, depending on how >>> you have the web layout set in both of their options. Object >>> navigation will not read every single thing that the JAWS cursor does, >>> but this is imaterial as you aren't normally having to use the JAWS >>> cursor or the NVDA cursor in Microsoft apps. And Window-Eyes is >>> definitely not cheaper than JAWS, unless you're talking about JAWS >>> professional, and window-eyes web browser support lacks behind JAWS >>> and NVDA both, or at least did before version eight came out, although >>> it's a bit better now. >>> >>> Ok, that's all I have to contribute. I would give NVDA a try, I would >>> ask lots of questions, I am one of the moderators on nvda's list on >>> freelists, and there is also a support list for NVDA that can be found >>> by accessing nvda-project.org and going to the community link I think. >>> I would try it out and if it works for you, great. If it doesn't, then >>> it doesn't. >>> >>> On 11/9/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >>>> Hi Ariel and Listers: Definitely a bit of a learning curve especially >>>> in the equivalent of Jaws cursor (In NvDA is called Object Navegation) >>>> but other than that, it's nearly the same as Jaws; Oh and also a >>>> learning curve in that when going to a form field, you have to do Enter >>>> to get in; other than that it's nearly the same; same basic commands >>>> using the Caps lock key plus down arrow to read all, Caps lock key >>>> (also >>>> called the NVDA key) plus up arrow reads current line. >>>> The NVDA keyboard help and manual found by going to NVDA+n to reach the >>>> NVDA menu, are very helpful and welll done! Good luck! >>>> El 08/11/2012 08:27 p.m., Arielle Silverman escribió: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I apologize if these are dumb questions to ask, but I know nothing at >>>>> all about NVDA and I am wondering what your experiences have been with >>>>> it, how it compares to JAWS in terms of compatibility with basic >>>>> Microsoft applications and what the learning curve is like to >>>>> transition from JAWS to NVDA. I have been a consistent JAWS user for >>>>> the past twenty years and I have generally been happy with JAWS, but >>>>> recently I have been feeling kind of disappointed with the Web browser >>>>> support in Windows 7 and I am also getting tired of paying for JAWS >>>>> upgrades, so I am considering switching to NVDA. I need a screen >>>>> reader that works smoothly with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Web >>>>> browsers but not much else (though SAS support would be nice too). >>>>> What are your suggestions? And if I already know JAWS commands, is it >>>>> a big switch to go to NVDA? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Cordially, Nimer Jaber Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains some information about the email you have just read and all attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk. 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From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 17:24:09 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:24:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions In-Reply-To: References: <509D23E4.5050705@gmail.com> <3B3346CCD44E459AAC08FDEF20EDCECE@BrandonsLaptop2> <509D3188.5080508@gmail.com> <854A2831-CF29-4AFE-8BC8-F3D51E4DB4E3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D27824C-5D78-445F-9101-03589EA447EB@gmail.com> since you are involved with nvda, maybe you can help me understand a piece of it i myself haven't had the time to look into just yet: I have seen people writing countless scripts for jaws (some of them useless, such as the one where you put jaws to sleep in certain applications, since the screen reader itself has this function already). are scripts in nvda as "easy" to do? i haven't been required to dive into that universe just yet. Mauricio On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > Hello, > > NVDA does have a language detect feature that can be enabled, and NVDA > allows for writing scripts and plugins as well. I'm not sure what you > meant about the dictionary bit though. > > Thanks. > > On 11/9/12, Mauricio Almeida wrote: >> greetings, >> >> I charge for certain services, such as placing websites under WCAG's >> compliance, ofr instance, however, most of my official work has to be done >> in south america as that is where brazilian companies can operate with their >> brasilian registrations in an easy manner. >> I obviously know those capabilities as i use jaws since it's 5.20 version, >> but i figured i wouldn't post every single function of each of them in the >> list. >> The need to use a cursor or not varies very much based on two factors: one, >> what activities you perform, two, how you choose to perform them. >> window eyes is cheaper than jaws, in the sense that gwmicro offers a monthly >> plan, which, for some people, means that they can afford it.when giving >> people options, you have to consider different realities and let them choose >> what is best for them. >> >> as far as tables, I referred to the default layout, given that almost >> everything is customizable in a screen reader today. as she is switching >> screen readers and wanted a comparison, it was definitely worth mentioning >> the default layouts are different. >> >> regards, >> >> mauricio >> On Nov 9, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >> >>> Brandon and listers: NVDA does have a multilingual featuer, but depends on >>> what voice you use. AT least on the Eloquence specific to NVDA >>> http://is.gd/kcE6pU >>> by going NVDA+v, you can select either l for Latinamerican. a for American >>> English. >>> Gerardo >>> El 09/11/2012 10:32 a.m., Brandon Keith Biggs escribió: >>>> Hello, >>>> I use both, the only reason why I use Jaws still is because I am >>>> constantly using Jaws scripts for products that NVDA would never support. >>>> I've also not the time to write dictionary's for NVDA like I have with >>>> Jaws. I also use the multiple language switching feature in Jaws >>>> constantly, so that is another thing NVDA doesn't have to my knowledge. >>>> Admittedly I don't have >>>> training on NVDA like I do with Jaws, but what I have found is that NVDA >>>> is awesome except for the above. >>>> I do know people who swear by system access though, but I've never used >>>> it. >>>> My mom, a TVI is looking to switch over to NVDA for her students instead >>>> of Jaws because of the huge cost of maintaining Jaws for both the school >>>> and the student's family. >>>> I say go with it! Just make sure you change that voice! >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ >>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:47 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions >>>> >>>> Mauricio, >>>> >>>> You are a consultant for access and you charge for services however >>>> you do not know the differences between JAWS and NVDA. First, NVDA and >>>> JAWS both read tables in the layout that you choose, depending on how >>>> you have the web layout set in both of their options. Object >>>> navigation will not read every single thing that the JAWS cursor does, >>>> but this is imaterial as you aren't normally having to use the JAWS >>>> cursor or the NVDA cursor in Microsoft apps. And Window-Eyes is >>>> definitely not cheaper than JAWS, unless you're talking about JAWS >>>> professional, and window-eyes web browser support lacks behind JAWS >>>> and NVDA both, or at least did before version eight came out, although >>>> it's a bit better now. >>>> >>>> Ok, that's all I have to contribute. I would give NVDA a try, I would >>>> ask lots of questions, I am one of the moderators on nvda's list on >>>> freelists, and there is also a support list for NVDA that can be found >>>> by accessing nvda-project.org and going to the community link I think. >>>> I would try it out and if it works for you, great. If it doesn't, then >>>> it doesn't. >>>> >>>> On 11/9/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >>>>> Hi Ariel and Listers: Definitely a bit of a learning curve especially >>>>> in the equivalent of Jaws cursor (In NvDA is called Object Navegation) >>>>> but other than that, it's nearly the same as Jaws; Oh and also a >>>>> learning curve in that when going to a form field, you have to do Enter >>>>> to get in; other than that it's nearly the same; same basic commands >>>>> using the Caps lock key plus down arrow to read all, Caps lock key >>>>> (also >>>>> called the NVDA key) plus up arrow reads current line. >>>>> The NVDA keyboard help and manual found by going to NVDA+n to reach the >>>>> NVDA menu, are very helpful and welll done! Good luck! >>>>> El 08/11/2012 08:27 p.m., Arielle Silverman escribió: >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I apologize if these are dumb questions to ask, but I know nothing at >>>>>> all about NVDA and I am wondering what your experiences have been with >>>>>> it, how it compares to JAWS in terms of compatibility with basic >>>>>> Microsoft applications and what the learning curve is like to >>>>>> transition from JAWS to NVDA. I have been a consistent JAWS user for >>>>>> the past twenty years and I have generally been happy with JAWS, but >>>>>> recently I have been feeling kind of disappointed with the Web browser >>>>>> support in Windows 7 and I am also getting tired of paying for JAWS >>>>>> upgrades, so I am considering switching to NVDA. I need a screen >>>>>> reader that works smoothly with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Web >>>>>> browsers but not much else (though SAS support would be nice too). >>>>>> What are your suggestions? And if I already know JAWS commands, is it >>>>>> a big switch to go to NVDA? >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Arielle >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cordially, > > Nimer Jaber > > Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains > some information about the email you have just read and all > attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and > methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk. > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was > addressed. 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Care Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP From dandrews at visi.com Sat Nov 10 20:52:57 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:52:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From people who I talk to, and they do know what they are doing, NVDA on the web is apparently quite good. It has improved with Microsoft Word, and is ok in outlook, e-mail good, calendar mostly doesn't work. I don't know about Powerpoint or Access. If you are a heavy Office user, you are probably better off for now with JAWS, although all these things are moving targets. Dave At 08:27 PM 11/8/2012, you wrote: >Hi all, >I apologize if these are dumb questions to ask, but I know nothing at >all about NVDA and I am wondering what your experiences have been with >it, how it compares to JAWS in terms of compatibility with basic >Microsoft applications and what the learning curve is like to >transition from JAWS to NVDA. I have been a consistent JAWS user for >the past twenty years and I have generally been happy with JAWS, but >recently I have been feeling kind of disappointed with the Web browser >support in Windows 7 and I am also getting tired of paying for JAWS >upgrades, so I am considering switching to NVDA. I need a screen >reader that works smoothly with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Web >browsers but not much else (though SAS support would be nice too). >What are your suggestions? And if I already know JAWS commands, is it >a big switch to go to NVDA? >Thanks, >Arielle From zerone1683 at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 23:57:32 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 15:57:32 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cdbf9f$271efd20$755cf760$@com> NVDA does better with websites that has a lot of flash type content such as YouTube whereas JAWS tends to stutter or freeze up. It also does pretty well with MS Outlook, namely the Outlook 2007 application that I have. >From my experience, JAWS does better on tables and spreadsheets such as Access and Excel is because of the multiple types of cursors that JAWS has which make table navigating faster. Aside from that, I find both NVDA and JAWS to be quite comparable. C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 12:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions From people who I talk to, and they do know what they are doing, NVDA on the web is apparently quite good. It has improved with Microsoft Word, and is ok in outlook, e-mail good, calendar mostly doesn't work. I don't know about Powerpoint or Access. If you are a heavy Office user, you are probably better off for now with JAWS, although all these things are moving targets. Dave At 08:27 PM 11/8/2012, you wrote: >Hi all, >I apologize if these are dumb questions to ask, but I know nothing at >all about NVDA and I am wondering what your experiences have been with >it, how it compares to JAWS in terms of compatibility with basic >Microsoft applications and what the learning curve is like to >transition from JAWS to NVDA. I have been a consistent JAWS user for >the past twenty years and I have generally been happy with JAWS, but >recently I have been feeling kind of disappointed with the Web browser >support in Windows 7 and I am also getting tired of paying for JAWS >upgrades, so I am considering switching to NVDA. I need a screen reader >that works smoothly with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Web browsers but >not much else (though SAS support would be nice too). >What are your suggestions? And if I already know JAWS commands, is it a >big switch to go to NVDA? >Thanks, >Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com From deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com Sun Nov 11 01:35:07 2012 From: deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com (Deb Mendelsohn) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 18:35:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Unemployment Problem Includes Public Transportation That Separates Poor From Jobs Message-ID: Unemployment Problem Includes Public Transportation That Separates Poor >From Jobs Posted: 07/11/2012 7:16 am Updated: 09/25/2012 3:21 pm [image: Share on Google+] 1,054 462 6 114 4056 *Get Business Alerts:* Sign Up Follow: Homelessness , Careers, Poverty , Transportation, Unemployment , Video, Chattanooga , Firsthand, Mass Transit , Mass Transporation , Poor, Unemployment Problem, Business News [image: Unemployment Problem] CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. -- In the two months since he lost his job driving a delivery truck for a door company, Lebron Stinson has absorbed a bitter geography lesson about this riverfront city: The jobs are in one place, he is in another, and the bus does not bridge the divide. Stinson lives downtown, where many of the factories that once employed willing hands have been converted into chic eateries. The majority of jobs are out in the suburbs, in the strip malls, office parks and chain restaurants that stretch eastward. Most of this sprawl lies beyond reach of the public bus system, and Stinson cannot afford a car. Friends have told him about a building materials business that would hire him on the spot, but the company is 26 miles away and over the Georgia state line, reachable only by car. A plywood company would hire him, too, but that job is 30 miles away. Merely getting to the state Career Center to maintain his a $180-a-week unemployment check and search through job listings on a public computer requires a 40-minute bus ride. Lean, able-bodied and proud, Stinson is accustomed to earning his way. He does not want an unemployment check any more than he wants extra time to sit around his cramped apartment watching daytime television. He would much prefer not using the food stamps that have become the only thing sparing him from hunger. He wants what he has had for most of his 49 years: He wants a job. But in Chattanooga, as in much of America, getting a job and getting *to* a job are two different things. “That’s the thing that hurts me the most, having experience and qualifications, but you can’t get to the destination," Stinson says. "It’s a painful situation here. I’ll tell you, I’m not one to give up hope, but, man, it makes your self-esteem drop. Your confidence disappears. Sometimes, I just can't think about it. You get so it's all that's in your head. 'I need a job, but I can't get there.' I just want to feel like I’m back, like I’m part of the world again.” Stinson's challenge underscores a formidable barrier separating millions of poor Americans from the working world, particularly as work continues to shift to the suburbs: Limited public transportation networks reduce the ability of those who need work to actually find it, worsening an already bleak job market. On top of the most catastrophic economic downturn since the Great Depression, the continued impact of automation, and the shift of domestic production to lower-wage nations, here is a less dramatic yet no less decisive constraint that limits opportunities for many working-age Americans: The bus does not go where the paychecks are. Nearly 40 million working-age people now live in parts of major American metropolitan areas that lack public transportation, according to an analysis by the Brookings Institution's Metropolitan Policy Program. The consequences of this disconnection fall with particular severity on the poor. One in 10 low-income residents relies on some form of public transportation to get to work, according to the report. In the nation's 100 largest metropolitan areas, nearly half of all jobs lie more than 10 miles from the downtown core, according to a prior study by Elizabeth Kneebone, a Brookings researcher. For the typical resident, more than two-thirds of the jobs in the 100 largest metro areas are beyond range of a 90-minute commute using mass transit. A separate Brookings study released this week finds that the typical job in major metro areas is accessible to only 27 percent of all working age adults within an hour-and-a-half commute on public transportation. Many of the country's best-connected metropolitan areas are in the West and the Northeast, according to Brookings. Despite its notoriety as a car-centric domain, the Los Angeles metro area has a mass transit system that gets within three-quarters of a mile of 96 percent of all working-age residents, the study finds. The San Francisco Bay Area, New York, Miami and Las Vegas are similarly well served. The least-connected urban areas are in the South, among them Nashville, Richmond, and Jackson, Miss. At the bottom of the list is Chattanooga, a metropolitan area with an official labor force of about 262,000 people. Here, only 22.5 percent of working-age residents have access to public transportation. Among urban planners, Chattanooga has developed a reputation as a place that has gotten a lot right in recent times. Its redeveloped waterfront on the banks of the Tennessee River features a pedestrian-only bridge. A free shuttle bus service operates downtown, using a fleet of electric vehicles. Bike rental stations dot denser neighborhoods. But as work has continued its steady march to the suburbs, the transit system has failed to keep pace, limited by what local officials portray as weak public financing. The result is a metropolitan area in which anyone without a car faces severe limits on employment options. “There are whole parts of town where the bus doesn’t go,” says Robert Lawrence, who runs a job search program at Chattanooga Community Kitchen, a social service agency focused on the homeless. “Bus service doesn’t run at all if you’ve got a third-shift job. Some of them walk for miles, every day and late at night. A lot of them lose their jobs. It’s tremendously frustrating.” For the frustrated people here, the limits of mass transit restrict the boundaries of possibility, reinforcing poverty and a nebulous sense of futility. They can see opportunities, but often cannot reach them -- at least not without extraordinary struggle. For Stinson, it all dates back to a summer night five years ago, when a tire on his 1987 Chevy pickup truck went flat while he was driving near his house. He pulled into a parking spot, left the pickup and went home. When he returned the following morning, his vehicle was gone. He reported it stolen to the police, but it was never recovered. His delivery job was only a five-minute walk. But when that business shut down in April and he began looking for other work, he found himself studying the bus schedule alongside the job listings -– an exercise full of exasperation and missed opportunities. As the months pass without a paycheck, his eyes show the weight of sadness and wounded pride. “Sometimes, it hits me and I get so depressed," he says. "I’m like, ‘Man, what is happening?’ You feel like you’re losing your mind. I’ve got to do something. If I had transport, I’d be back at work by now. I know this." *WHERE THE SKY IS BLUE* When Chattanooga Mayor Ron Littlefield was growing up in the 1950s, his father worked in textile plants in mill towns in Georgia and Tennessee. Nearly all the workers occupied modest homes clustered near the factories. "My father never drove" Littlefield says. "He would always walk to work. We don’t build cities like that anymore. Perhaps we should." As Littlefield, 66, forged his own career as an urban planner, he watched U.S. metropolitan areas push out their boundaries. "Everybody wanted to live out in the suburbs and have an acre or two," he says. "They wanted to be out where the sky is blue and the grass is green, with cul de sacs, and curvilinear streets and no sidewalks." Government enabled this development by constructing an arterial system of roads and highways that put the private automobile at the center of life, yielding the suburban sprawl that defines major metro areas from Phoenix to Houston to Atlanta. As people have come to live further apart from one another while commuting greater distances to their jobs, running public transit systems has proven increasingly challenging and expensive, requiring broader areas of coverage. At the same time, economic inequality has separated many communities into two camps -- those who can afford cars, and those who depend upon buses and trains. This is especially so in medium-sized cities such as Chattanooga, whose metro area is home to about 530,000 people, putting it in the company of Modesto, Calif., and Jackson, Miss. In big, dense cities such as New York and Chicago, traffic can be so awful that even millionaires who can afford chauffeured limousines sometimes ride subways to avoid congestion. But in communities like this, traffic is nearly nonexistent, making cars the favored conveyance for anyone who can afford one. Roughly three-fourths of the ridership on the public buses operated by the Chattanooga Area Regional Transportation Authority are people who lack an alternative, up from about half in the late-1970s, says Tom Dugan, the authority's executive director. The reality of the bus as a vehicle that most local people neither encounter nor desire translates into weak local funding for the transit authority, Dugan complains. "Most of our people are the working poor," Dugan says. "In Chattanooga, no elected official is going to win an election based on a transit issue." Roughly one-third of the system's $15.7 million operating budget comes from the city, with 40 percent coming from rider fares, and the rest from state and federal support. Two years ago, when Dugan compared his system to those of 56 metro areas with similar populations, he found that Chattanooga ranked 52nd in local funding per capita, and 53rd in the percentage of transit money that comes from local sources. "In any city, public transport is an important part of the transit system and that seems to get lost," Mayor Littlefield says. "Some of the more conservative people in the community believe that it's OK to spend public money on roads, but it's not OK to spend on public transportation, such as buses and rail -- that those have to be self-supporting." The tenets of the so-called New Urbanism infuse local planning discussions with encouragement of bicycling, walking and mass transit. Updated zoning policies have clustered condos near new office space and bus service. Young professionals are fixing up bungalow-style homes that formerly sheltered downtown factory workers, eschewing the suburbs for life within pedestrian proximity to shops and restaurants. While this trend may eventually yield better-connected neighborhoods, the present is still colored by mismatch, with major employment centers setting up out on the periphery, far from mass transit. In recent years, two major employers set up in an office park some 14 miles east of downtown. Volkswagen manufactures its popular Passat sedans here, employing some 3,200 people. Amazon.com has set up a distribution center that employs 2,000 people. Yet one major barrier prevents would-be job seekers like Stinson from securing positions at either of those locations: The nearest bus stop is a half-hour walk away. The bus line that stops there, the Number 6, offers limited service, requiring that passengers call a dispatcher to request a bus. That bus doesn't run before 6:45 in the morning, making it difficult for people on early shifts to get to work on time. It doesn't run after 6:45 in the evening, making it challenging for people who work nights to get home. On Sundays, it doesn't run at all. *TALKING TO GOD* On Sundays, when Sharon Smith must get to Amazon.com for her minimum-wage job cleaning the restrooms, she must walk along the shoulder of a highway for more than three miles. She takes the Number 4 bus. She steps off at a busy intersection flanked by a BP gas station and a SunTrust bank and sets out on foot, walking alongside speeding cars for about 90 minutes. Smith, 43, is willing to make that walk because her job at Amazon amounts to her escape route from the downward spiral that seized her last fall, when her beat-up 1997 Infiniti finally succumbed to wiring problems. Fixing the car would have cost $2,000. That was money she did not have, not on the $9-an-hour she was then earning cleaning the restrooms at the Volkswagen plant through a staffing agency. Once her car died, she could no longer reliably get to work, and they were cutting her hours anyway. She had often driven all the way out to the plant, only to be sent home after an hour or two. Without a paycheck, she fell behind on the $350-a-month rent and was eventually evicted from her apartment. She landed in a homeless shelter that had been set up temporarily, just for the winter months. When spring came, she pitched a tent in a makeshift encampment carved into a slice of scraggly brush set between railroad tracks and an abandoned warehouse. She bought a barbecue grill at a dollar store, using it to grill chicken and pork chops she procured with food stamps. Her restroom was the bushes or the public facilities at the Community Kitchen, the social service agency nearby. She contended with ticks, spider bites, and the men in tents all around her, who were prone to drunken fights and petty theft. They stole clothing, bicycles, food and even toothbrushes, she says. One of them once sneaked into her tent seeking sex, she says, and she had to fight him off. Someone swiped her cell phone, which had all the phone numbers she valued in the world, including those of her four stepsisters. Her cheeks burnt pink by the sun and her blond hair pulled back into a rough ponytail, Smith conveys a sense that she is prepared to protect herself. "I can take an ass-whooping as much as I can give an ass-whooping," she says. But after two months in the tent, she could bear it no longer. She took refuge in a vacant house that had been lost to foreclosure, a place lacking both water and power. She lights candles, cooks on her grill, and cadges buckets of water from unsuspecting neighbors, tapping their garden hoses when they are away, in order to flush the toilet. "This is humiliating to me," Smith says. "It's embarrassing to be in this situation. How in the hell did this happen?" This is a purely rhetorical question. Smith has been homeless before, and she has struggled with drug addiction -– crack cocaine in particular -– which devoured her life in Atlanta, where she worked as an installer for a local telephone company, earning some $60,000 a year. "I met this guy," she says, the preamble to a tangled story that involves losing her four-bedroom home, her job and her mental well-being, along the way landing in Chattanooga. She has been clean in recent years, she says, and she is intent on achieving a modest form of self-sufficiency, a station centered on one key element -– a steady paycheck. "My dream is just to have an apartment," she says, "a place somewhere where I can lock a door, and I don't have to worry about someone coming in and stealing my clothes. I'm just trying to get myself stable again. I'd be satisfied with a one-room shack, as long as it's got a door that could lock." But even that aspiration felt beyond her as she trudged to staffing offices looking for work -– nearly any sort of work. "There's all kinds of things I can do," Smith says, rattling off the ways she has earned a paycheck -– driving a forklift, operating factory machinery, mopping floors, and installing Internet service. But one thing she could not do kept tripping her up. She could not get to most of the jobs. "They'd ask me, 'Can you get here?' and I'd be looking at the bus schedule," she says. "I'd tell them, 'I'll figure it out.' A lot of temp places don't even want to hire you if you don't have a car and you have to take the bus. If you call a temp agency and say, 'Do you have any jobs on the bus line?' they will flat out say, 'No,' and hang up on you." The agency that hired her for the job at the Amazon plant cut her a break. She started on the morning shift, which required that she arrive by 6 a.m., but that was impossible given the bus schedule. The boss offered flexibility. "She told me, 'Whatever time you can get here, that's when you start,'" Smith says. She started in April. Since then, she has earned about $500 every two weeks, saving as much as she can toward securing an apartment. She has investigated the motels that have become de facto housing for low-wage service sector workers, but rejected them as a trap. Most would absorb most of her pay, leaving with her with almost nothing toward the security deposit she needs to get an apartment. The one motel she could afford –- one that charges $125 a week –- sits in a neighborhood known as Red Bank, which is devoid of bus service, making it impossible for her to get to work. Back in her Atlanta days, she was making $26 an hour. Now, she is at the bottom of the American wage scale, but she celebrates this as a beginning. "Seven twenty-five an hour is better than zero," she says. "I'm going to work, and if I have to continue to walk, I will. I will do whatever I've got to do, except get on my knees or lie on my back. It's tiring, it’s frustrating, it's rough, but you've got to crawl before you can walk." This is the thought that drives her as she leaves the abandoned house and heads for the bus stop, trudging through the muggy southern Tennessee air. She is working night shifts lately, so she makes this trip in the mid- afternoon. On a recent day, she is wearing a faded and too-big black T-shirt bearing pink letters: "MOTIVATION 101." She got it out of the donated clothes closet at the Community Kitchen. A purple backpack is slung over her shoulder, holding the ID card that gets her into the Amazon plant, the debit card on which her paycheck is deposited, her driver's license, her Social Security card. "Everything that I really have to have in my life is in this book bag," she says. She pulls out one of those items, a piece of plywood with a phone number written across it in pencil, the number of a man with a vacant apartment who will accept the so-called Section 8 voucher she has recently secured, entitling her to federally subsidized rent. Assuming that his apartment passes a required inspection, she can move in three weeks from this day. "Three weeks," she says repeatedly, as if chanting a phrase that will open the gates to a better world. "If I can make it through these three weeks." The Number 4 bus makes its way past the hulking shells of dismantled factories now shadowed by knee-high weeds, then across a highway overpass, and past a cemetery for soldiers, the white markers laid out like dominoes. It rolls past an Applebee's restaurant, a Krispy Kreme donut shop, a Bi-Lo supermarket, and a pawnshop. It goes by the Hamilton Inn, a tan fortress of a motel shimmering in the heat, where Smith knows a room with a mini-refrigerator and stovetop can be had for $231.72 a week, but where vacancies are rare. It goes past Fast Quick Loans, where a yellow banner draped across the storefront promises: "First Loan Free." "Most of the time, I doze off," Smith says, "but sometimes I look out the window. It's relaxing. You can look at things and get a better view." The bus goes past a Sears department store and a furniture outlet. Forty-five minutes after the beginning of this journey, it turns into the Hamilton Place shopping mall, where Smith steps off and transfers to the Number 6, which -– after another 30 minutes -– deposits her a half-hour's walk from Amazon. Unless it is a Sunday. On Sundays, she steps off the Number 4 at Shallowford Road and walks west for three blocks, then north up Hickory Valley Road, past mostly empty spaces punctuated by churches -– the Hickory Valley Baptist Church, St. Michael's Charismatic Anglican Church, Tyner Pent Church of God. "I believe in God," she says. "I talk to him the whole way as I'm walking. I just thank him that I woke up today, and that I'm not using drugs. I thank him for my job. I look at this way: God has something in store for me. I just haven't figured out what it is yet." She arrives at Amazon just before 6 p.m, tired and sweaty. She uses baby wipes to clean herself up. She spends the night scrubbing toilets, scraping gum off floors, putting soap in the dispensers, and wiping the mirrors. When her shift ends, just after 6 in the morning on Monday, she walks a half-hour to a Shell station and dials the CARTA dispatcher to ask for a Number 6. Once, she waited in the pouring rain for more than two hours, she says, but most days, the bus comes within a half-hour. While she waits, she sits on a block of concrete and watches cars go by. On a recent afternoon, Smith taps her latest paycheck for a $300 down payment on a used Ford Windstar van. "I can live in the car, sleep in the car, find somewhere cool to park and just lie down," she says. She can free herself from the Chattanooga bus system, and proceed with her plans. "I don't care what the car looks like, as long as it gets me from point A to point B," she says. "All I've got to do is make it through these three weeks." *'I WAS A PART OF THAT'* For Lebron Stinson, time seems to be rolling backward, with each week adding to the distance separating him from the working world. Back when Stinson was a teenager, he played trumpet in his high school band. He played so well that he got recruited into a working R&B group that played gigs in Atlanta and Knoxville -- the Inner City Emotions. He enrolled in college. But when he was 19, he met a girl at a softball game, and everything changed. “Lo and behold, there she was pregnant,” he says. “I had to leave the band, leave school, and get familiar with Pampers.” Needing to support a family, he began bartending a waiting tables at a local country club, earning about $350 a week -- decent money in the mid-1980s. Then he jumped to driving a truck and he earned more. By the early-1990s, he was earning about $40,000 a year, he says, running a distribution route for a local bakery. “I loved that job,” he says. “I’d wake up and spring out of bed like I was going to a party.” He moved into a duplex apartment with wall-to-wall carpeting and a balcony -– "a small bachelor’s luxurious pad,” he says. He bought a motorcycle. But when he came back from a vacation, the boss confronted him with complaints that out-of-date product had been landing on customer's shelves. It cost him his job. “Ever since then, it’s been rough,” he says. “All downhill since then.” Desperate for something to pay the bills, he took what was available -- a job as a maintenance technician at a motel for $9 an hour. Then he got a job as a driver at a recycling company, where he made $10.25 an hour. But he lost that position after kidney surgery laid him up for several weeks, he says. His next job, at a building materials supply operation, paid only $8.50. He gave up the duplex apartment for a bedroom in a rooming house. For the last five years, he’s been making $7.25 as a driver for a door company. “Backwards,” he says. “It’s devastating.” When the door company shut down in April, he found himself needing food stamps and an unemployment check. Merely figuring out how to apply was bewildering, he says. "It’s still sinking in," he says. "I don’t know what to do. I don’t know where to go. I’m not accustomed to begging and relying on others.” He went everywhere he could reach by foot in search of another job, he says. He stopped in at hotels downtown to ask about building maintenance or valet parking positions. He showed up at construction offices and courier services. Most of the time, he was turned away and told to apply online. “Me being a truck driver, I’m almost computer illiterate,” he says. On this day, Stinson takes the bus to the Career Center to check job listings. He sits in a waiting room and stares at the orange walls until a caseworker emerges and calls his name. She shows him three active listings, the maximum he is allowed to see each time. One is a full-time job for $9.50 an hour driving a delivery truck for Dr. Pepper and Snapple. The loading dock is less than two miles from his house. The bus doesn’t go there, but it's a manageable walk, he says. But this employer will only take applications online. When the caseworker helps him navigate to the Web page using a Career Center computer, the site shows only jobs in Louisiana and Texas, and not the position in Chattanooga. The second listing is for a part-time position, driving a school bus for about $9 an hour, from a spot that is more than three miles from his house and far from the bus. The third one is a warehouse position at the Amazon plant. It pays more than $10 an hour, but it's a shift job that ends after midnight. He could take the bus out there, but how would he get home? "It seems like every move you make, you run into a bigger obstacle,” he says. Friends with cars have offered to shuttle him to and from work, but he does not see that as sustainable. “They’ll do that for four, five days,” he says. “Then they’ll start saying, ‘Well, I’ve got something else to do today.’” What he has to do today is the same thing as most days: Try to stay focused. Try to stay fed. Try to get through the hours. Try to keep looking for work without dwelling on the particulars of a situation that does not add up. The state deposits his weekly unemployment check onto his debit card -- $180, minus $65 for child support for his youngest daughter, who is about to turn 18. He pays $75 a week in rent. He goes to the grocery to buy some essentials -- toothpaste, eggs, and a beef roast that he plans to ration to get through the week. Like that, his balance is near zero. “The grace of God is how I’m making it,” he says. “It’s just rough. When he rides the bus, he finds himself studying the surroundings for signs of his imprint, reminders of his labors. There is the recycling center where he used to move boxes. There is the motel he helped bring into existence by dropping off the rebar. “It gives you a sense of satisfaction, seeing what you helped build,” he says. “You think, ‘I was a part of that.’” These days, Stinson feels a gnawing sense of torpor. He sits in his room watching television, the choices limited since he dropped cable to save money. “Gunsmoke. Bonanza. I Love Lucy,” he says. “Your old, wholesome, antenna TV.” He flips through women’s magazines that pile up in the mailbox, the subscriptions of a long-departed tenant. “Sometimes, when you just sit at home for long periods of time, you get fatigued,” he says. “You get bored. You do.” He knows that his physical health is key to staying ready to work, but it's hard to stay in shape while he is sitting around, even as he forces himself to do calisthenics. It's hard to eat right when he is counting down to the penny and sometimes yielding to the temptations of cheap comfort in the face of too much time to kill. “I’m not eating enough vegetables,” he says. “You’re already depressed, so you just pull something out of a box and throw it in the microwave.” It is debilitating, he says, the joblessness, the lack of transportation, the torturous feelings of being stuck. Yet there are moments of clarity. It hits him that he is but one break away from regular life. All he needs is a job. “I just can’t get there, man,” he says. “I say to myself every day, ‘If I had transportation, I could do what I set out to do, find a job with fair pay and be productive.'" -- *Deb's Cell: 520-225-8244* From clb5590 at gmail.com Sun Nov 11 06:40:44 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 22:40:44 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] A survey opportunity about formatting documents Message-ID: Researchers at the University of California Santa Cruiz are interested in blind peoples' experiences formatting documents. They are looking for participants who have light perception at most and who use a screen reader, and not vision, to format documents. I am just passing this along from someone I got it from. There is information about how to contact the researchers if you have any questions once you click the link. And of course, you can choose to be entered into a drawing for one of two $25 Amazon gift cards. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2W6YSH6 -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sun Nov 11 18:42:28 2012 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 12:42:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arielle, In case you didn't see the announcement, NVDA has just come out with a new version within the past week or so. Therefore, if you have a version you downloaded a while back, it would be worth downloading again before you test it out. I think it is really very hard to answer your questions about NVDA in an accurate manner. NVDA is, even though it is free, a very powerful screen reader. In addition, it sometimes embraces newer technologies, particularly regarding web browsing, more completely than do JFW and Window-Eyes. However, there is software out there that work with the expensive screen readers that will not work with NVDA. Also, I've seen cases where the expensive screen readers work a little more smoothly than NVDA, but I've seen cases where NVDA outperforms the expensive screen readers. Some of NVDA's more complex navigation, particularly "object navigation," can be confusing at first because it is a little different than what JFW or Window-Eyes do. However, one would most likely use NVDA's ability to explore objects when one is getting familiar with software so it may not be all that much of a disadvantage, and it can actually be an advantage in some cases. What I would strongly urge is that you just load NVDA on your computer and force yourself to use it for everything you do for a while. If you use mostly modern software, you may find that it works fine, or you may find something that is a show-stopper for you. You may want to consider buying a different voice for it, although I've gotten used to the voice that comes built in. If you do give it an in depth try, it would be interesting to hear what you think. I use some software at work that NVDA will not work with so I will remain with Window-Eyes and I probably would anyway, but I would not say that would be true for everyone. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:27:41 -0700, Arielle Silverman wrote: >Hi all, >I apologize if these are dumb questions to ask, but I know nothing at >all about NVDA and I am wondering what your experiences have been with >it, how it compares to JAWS in terms of compatibility with basic >Microsoft applications and what the learning curve is like to >transition from JAWS to NVDA. I have been a consistent JAWS user for >the past twenty years and I have generally been happy with JAWS, but >recently I have been feeling kind of disappointed with the Web browser >support in Windows 7 and I am also getting tired of paying for JAWS >upgrades, so I am considering switching to NVDA. I need a screen >reader that works smoothly with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Web >browsers but not much else (though SAS support would be nice too). >What are your suggestions? And if I already know JAWS commands, is it >a big switch to go to NVDA? >Thanks, >Arielle >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 12 15:50:25 2012 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:50:25 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] FYI: Thiel Fellowship Program Invites Applications From Young Entrepreneurs Message-ID: This might be a great opportunity for students you know... -- forwarded announcement -- Thiel Fellowship Program Invites Applications From Young Entrepreneurs Silicon Valley entrepreneur Peter Thiel has announced that the Thiel Foundation is accepting applications for a new class of "20 Under 20" Thiel Fellows. Thiel Fellowships provide two-year grants of $100,000 to twenty people under 20 years of age so that they can leave the classroom and pursue innovation. Since the Thiel Fellowship began in 2011, more than forty young people have been awarded fellowships for project ideas in fields ranging from nuclear and alternative energy, to robotics and biotechnology, to finance, 3D printing, gaming, and software. During the two-year fellowship, the Thiel Foundation and its network of mentors provide guidance and support to help fellows build their scientific, technical, and entrepreneurial ideas. While fellows are expected to work on their innovative ideas full-time, they determine their specific paths; this might mean starting a company but could also mean doing freelance work, developing a social movement, interning at another company, or pursuing research and development independently. Though applicants may already have scientific, technical, or nonprofit ideas, Thiel Fellowships are not limited to those with established companies or developed innovations. Teams of up to four may also apply. To be eligible, applicants must have been born after December 31, 1992. Candidates from around the world are encouraged to apply. Fellows are encouraged to move to the San Francisco Bay Area for the opportunities and resources that the area provides. However, fellows are welcome to work on their projects from any location. Fellows are asked to take two years away from college so that they can fully focus on their projects without the time and expense of college. Complete program guidelines, application procedures, and information on previous fellows' projects are available at the Thiel Fellowship Web site: http://www.thielfellowship.org/become-a-fellow/ _______________________________________________ Nfb-science mailing list Nfb-science at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-science_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nfb-science: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-science_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net From dandrews at visi.com Mon Nov 12 23:10:12 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:10:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] New Mexico OUTREACH ITINERANT TEACHER Message-ID: OUTREACH ITINERANT TEACHER New Mexico School for the Blind and Visually Impaired, Outreach Services Department, is currently recruiting for an Outreach Itinerant Teacher. This is a 183 day contract and covers the full school year. O&M and TVI preferred. Must be eligible for certification in New Mexico and must meet NMSBVI's Braille proficiency requirement. Duties include travel and direct service to students around the state of New Mexico who are being served in their home school. The Itinerant Teacher will provide assessment, instruction, and consultation to students age 3-21. Prior experience preferred. A home office will be set up for the Itinerant Teacher and a car will be provided. Benefits are available and the salary is competitive. New Mexico School for the Blind and Visually Impaired Early Childhood Program 801 Stephen Moody SE Albuquerque, NM 87123 Voice: (505) 271-3060, (800) 437-3505 Fax (505) 291-5456 Email: TerriTribble at nmsbvi.k12.nm.us From dandrews at visi.com Mon Nov 12 23:27:58 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:27:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd UEB resources Message-ID: > >I know that this is not about talking book but rather about Braille >but given the recent vote at the BANA meeting in LA some here might >find the following link to some Unified English Braille code resources useful. > >www.cbtbc.org/ueb > >Sent from my iPhone > >Greg Kearney >Association for the Blind of Western Australia >_______________________________________________ >Dtb-talk mailing list >Dtb-talk at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for Dtb-talk: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 04:14:43 2012 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (nabs.president at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:14:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate Fall 2012 Message-ID: <01db01cdc155$6a762140$3f6263c0$@gmail.com> Good evening, Please find attached the latest edition of NABS quarterly publication, the Student Slate. 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That's why frequent corporate trekker Ryan Endress says he loves the mobile app that allows users to instantly summon a town car whether they're in Denver, Dallas or Paris. "At the end of the ride you don't have to worry about a receipt or tip," says Endress, a marketing director who lives in Chicago. "They take care of that for you and email the receipt. For business travel, it's such a time saver." Convenience and comfort can be hard to come by on the road. But there are an array of transportation services, apps and deals that allow business travelers to avoid long taxi lines and hit the ground running when they're out of town, and maybe save money while they're at it. For travelers who need to rent a car, Enterprise has a deal that will only cost $9.99 a day, Friday through Monday at most of its off-airport sites across the U.S. The annual offer lasts through May 22, 2013. If you'd rather not rent a car or hail a cab, GroundLink bills itself as "the next generation of car service," connecting travelers to a network of drivers around the world. Travelers can call GroundLink or click on the company's app or website to reserve a car days before they need it. When they finally take their trip, they'll receive a message as soon as their flight touches down telling them their car's whereabouts. They can also connect with their driver with just a click, and like Uber, travelers can track their private car's movement on their mobile device. "We're trying to remove that anxiety," says Tony Dastolfo, GroundLink's chief sales officer. "The intent is to say 'here's your car. It's on your way' ... and you literally see it move on the map." If you're in Philadelphia, Pacifico Airport Valet will not only ferry you to and from the airport in your own car -- it will detail it and work on the engine while you're away. Timmy O'Brien, Pacifico's general manager, says the service also offers a deal to travelers who need to leave their car for 15 days or longer, charging them a base fee of $6 a day for parking. And don't worry about a cold car not starting when you return. "If someone (is gone) for a long period of time," O'Brien says. "we start the car periodically so they don't have to worry (that) ... they'll come home to a dead battery." Veteran business travelers know to use hotel courtesy buses to get to where they're staying. Many big-city hotels or airport hotels run them around the clock to accommodate guests. And public transportation -- subways, buses or light rail or trolleys offered in many of the nation's biggest cities -- is another option for business and leisure trekkers, whether they're going to or from the airport or around town. *MORE: *Boston's Logan airport offers free public transportation Since June, passengers have been able to ride for free on buses between Boston's Logan Airport and South Station, a major transit hub. Before the trial program, which is scheduled to end after Jan. 6 of next year, there was a $2.50 fee, says airport spokesman Richard Walsh. "It's a great way to promote public transportation . .. getting to and from the airport in something other than a vehicle," Walsh says. "We're limited here in parking so we have to find that balance. "By offering this as a pilot we're hoping to really raise the visibility and put this in the forefront of our passengers' minds," he says. "If they are looking for options, it's an economically and environmentally friendly way to get from Logan Airport to downtown Boston." Meanwhile, Pittsburgh has a fare-free zone for buses in the city's downtown commercial area and for light rail users traveling between downtown and Pittsburgh's north shore where many businesses and cultural attractions are based. "If you're visiting here, it's a great deal," says Jim Ritchie, spokesman for the Port Authority of Allegheny County. Among the companies and attractions making their home on the north shore are Alcoa, which has its corporate headquarters there, and the Andy Warhol Museum. -- *Deb's Cell: 520-225-8244* From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 01:50:30 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:50:30 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Bentech Needs Transcriber Volunteers! In-Reply-To: <17c4efb817-avila.bert.humberto2=gmail.com@mail.vresp.com> References: <17c4efb817-avila.bert.humberto2=gmail.com@mail.vresp.com> Message-ID: <002a01cdc20a$6eafd110$4c0f7330$@gmail.com> From: Benetech [mailto:Benetech at mail.vresp.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:48 PM To: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Subject: Bentech Needs Transcriber Volunteers! Click to view this email in a browser spacer.gif spacer.gif spacer.gif BKS-cmyk (final from Betsy) 2 spacer.gif Hello Volunteers! Benetech's marketing department is seeking volunteers to transcribe 12 to 15 audio recordings into written text in order to make them accessible to deaf-blind and hard-of-hearing individuals. The audio recordings are 30 to 45 minutes in length on average. The transcriptions should be verbatim representations of the audio recordings, created in Word in standard sentence case, and divided into paragraphs as appropriate. They also need proofreaders to proofread these transcriptions. 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From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Nov 14 02:59:02 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:59:02 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! Message-ID: I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes in class requirements! I now need five more classes, and a practicum! I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a practicum, which I was going to do in January, but that has changed! I'm tired of this nonsense! I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of me, due to my disability. Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? Thanks, Joshua From juanitatighan at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 03:08:14 2012 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:08:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How willing ar eyou to fight? They tried to completely change my degree to something else. BTW, what is your degree in If it's education, then I am afraid you are out of luck, because requirements for that are always changing. If it's something else, ou need to think carefully about how hard you want to push them. I simply told them point-blank there was no way I was going to stay in college for at least one mroe year, maybe more, to take on extra classes that were not originally required. Eventually they accepted my position, and I was the last person to graduate from my university with a degree in English-Journalism. Jane On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes in class requirements! > I now need five more classes, and a practicum! > I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a practicum, which I was going to do in January, but that has changed! > I'm tired of this nonsense! > I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of me, due to my disability. > Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Nov 14 03:12:20 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:12:20 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Jane. My degree is an Associates in Behavioral Health. I'm planning to fight it, but I know with those hard-nosed people, I'll never win, because I've fought them tooth and nail to get efficient Braille on the doors of the classrooms, and they've finally approved of changing them, but I have to put the labels on, myself! This is stuff that should've been done a long time ago, according to the IDEA! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane [juanitatighan at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! How willing ar eyou to fight? They tried to completely change my degree to something else. BTW, what is your degree in If it's education, then I am afraid you are out of luck, because requirements for that are always changing. If it's something else, ou need to think carefully about how hard you want to push them. I simply told them point-blank there was no way I was going to stay in college for at least one mroe year, maybe more, to take on extra classes that were not originally required. Eventually they accepted my position, and I was the last person to graduate from my university with a degree in English-Journalism. Jane On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes in class requirements! > I now need five more classes, and a practicum! > I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a practicum, which I was going to do in January, but that has changed! > I'm tired of this nonsense! > I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of me, due to my disability. > Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From juanitatighan at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 03:21:03 2012 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:21:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <7FC7339F-423A-4F8C-A875-C7DA308CD18F@gmail.com> At the risk of sounding ... difficult. Why bother with Braille by the classroom doors? They had Braille signs on each building at my university, Braille on the rest rooms, and I think there was a Braille sign near our Office of Disability services. If you are just counting doors to find the right one anyhow, or judging distance, you don't need the Braille on each classroom door. This is just my opinion. I have to sayI also thought the Braille sign on each building was silly. If you didn't know where you were, even seeing the building label might not help much. I should clarify they did not actually put labels on the outside of the buildings, but they did label the rest rooms and some other things at my request. Also going in "knowing I will loose" is not a good way to start off. Frustrating as it is, you still have to project confidence. It's not easy to do, but you have to. As for the degree in behavioral health, I don't know for sure how often *those* change. Before you go and talk to them, check with other universities in your state and see if they are updating their degree programs. If so, then it's a state-wide requirement or three that have been added, and everyone, everyone, everyone regardless of disability or lack thereof, is gong to be forced to bite the bullet and deal with it, or get a different degree. Jane On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi Jane. > My degree is an Associates in Behavioral Health. > I'm planning to fight it, but I know with those hard-nosed people, I'll never win, because I've fought them tooth and nail to get efficient Braille on the doors of the classrooms, and they've finally approved of changing them, but I have to put the labels on, myself! > This is stuff that should've been done a long time ago, according to the IDEA! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane [juanitatighan at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! > > How willing ar eyou to fight? They tried to completely change my degree to something else. > > BTW, what is your degree in If it's education, then I am afraid you are out of luck, because requirements for that are always changing. If it's something else, ou need to think carefully about how hard you want to push them. I simply told them point-blank there was no way I was going to stay in college for at least one mroe year, maybe more, to take on extra classes that were not originally required. Eventually they accepted my position, and I was the last person to graduate from my university with a degree in English-Journalism. > > Jane > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes in class requirements! >> I now need five more classes, and a practicum! >> I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a practicum, which I was going to do in January, but that has changed! >> I'm tired of this nonsense! >> I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of me, due to my disability. >> Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Nov 14 03:24:16 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:24:16 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! In-Reply-To: <7FC7339F-423A-4F8C-A875-C7DA308CD18F@gmail.com> References: , , <7FC7339F-423A-4F8C-A875-C7DA308CD18F@gmail.com> Message-ID: The counselor said that it was new state requirements but they've told me every semester, that it woulc be my last one, but they keep adding stuff. My state, (Arkansas,) wants too much stuff! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane [juanitatighan at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! At the risk of sounding ... difficult. Why bother with Braille by the classroom doors? They had Braille signs on each building at my university, Braille on the rest rooms, and I think there was a Braille sign near our Office of Disability services. If you are just counting doors to find the right one anyhow, or judging distance, you don't need the Braille on each classroom door. This is just my opinion. I have to sayI also thought the Braille sign on each building was silly. If you didn't know where you were, even seeing the building label might not help much. I should clarify they did not actually put labels on the outside of the buildings, but they did label the rest rooms and some other things at my request. Also going in "knowing I will loose" is not a good way to start off. Frustrating as it is, you still have to project confidence. It's not easy to do, but you have to. As for the degree in behavioral health, I don't know for sure how often *those* change. Before you go and talk to them, check with other universities in your state and see if they are updating their degree programs. If so, then it's a state-wide requirement or three that have been added, and everyone, everyone, everyone regardless of disability or lack thereof, is gong to be forced to bite the bullet and deal with it, or get a different degree. Jane On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi Jane. > My degree is an Associates in Behavioral Health. > I'm planning to fight it, but I know with those hard-nosed people, I'll never win, because I've fought them tooth and nail to get efficient Braille on the doors of the classrooms, and they've finally approved of changing them, but I have to put the labels on, myself! > This is stuff that should've been done a long time ago, according to the IDEA! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane [juanitatighan at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! > > How willing ar eyou to fight? They tried to completely change my degree to something else. > > BTW, what is your degree in If it's education, then I am afraid you are out of luck, because requirements for that are always changing. If it's something else, ou need to think carefully about how hard you want to push them. I simply told them point-blank there was no way I was going to stay in college for at least one mroe year, maybe more, to take on extra classes that were not originally required. Eventually they accepted my position, and I was the last person to graduate from my university with a degree in English-Journalism. > > Jane > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes in class requirements! >> I now need five more classes, and a practicum! >> I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a practicum, which I was going to do in January, but that has changed! >> I'm tired of this nonsense! >> I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of me, due to my disability. >> Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 03:35:31 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:35:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! In-Reply-To: References: <7FC7339F-423A-4F8C-A875-C7DA308CD18F@gmail.com> Message-ID: This doesn't sound like a blindness issue to me. Degree requirements change frequently and, annoying as it may be, it's equally annoying for everyone. It sounds like anyone who started the program when you did will have the same issue, right? Arielle On 11/13/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > The counselor said that it was new state requirements but they've told me > every semester, that it woulc be my last one, but they keep adding stuff. > My state, (Arkansas,) wants too much stuff! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane > [juanitatighan at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! > > At the risk of sounding ... difficult. Why bother with Braille by the > classroom doors? They had Braille signs on each building at my university, > Braille on the rest rooms, and I think there was a Braille sign near our > Office of Disability services. If you are just counting doors to find the > right one anyhow, or judging distance, you don't need the Braille on each > classroom door. This is just my opinion. I have to sayI also thought the > Braille sign on each building was silly. If you didn't know where you were, > even seeing the building label might not help much. > I should clarify they did not actually put labels on the outside of the > buildings, but they did label the rest rooms and some other things at my > request. > > Also going in "knowing I will loose" is not a good way to start off. > Frustrating as it is, you still have to project confidence. It's not easy to > do, but you have to. > > As for the degree in behavioral health, I don't know for sure how often > *those* change. Before you go and talk to them, check with other > universities in your state and see if they are updating their degree > programs. If so, then it's a state-wide requirement or three that have been > added, and everyone, everyone, everyone regardless of disability or lack > thereof, is gong to be forced to bite the bullet and deal with it, or get a > different degree. > > Jane > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> Hi Jane. >> My degree is an Associates in Behavioral Health. >> I'm planning to fight it, but I know with those hard-nosed people, I'll >> never win, because I've fought them tooth and nail to get efficient >> Braille on the doors of the classrooms, and they've finally approved of >> changing them, but I have to put the labels on, myself! >> This is stuff that should've been done a long time ago, according to the >> IDEA! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane >> [juanitatighan at gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! >> >> How willing ar eyou to fight? They tried to completely change my degree >> to something else. >> >> BTW, what is your degree in If it's education, then I am afraid you are >> out of luck, because requirements for that are always changing. If it's >> something else, ou need to think carefully about how hard you want to push >> them. I simply told them point-blank there was no way I was going to stay >> in college for at least one mroe year, maybe more, to take on extra >> classes that were not originally required. Eventually they accepted my >> position, and I was the last person to graduate from my university with a >> degree in English-Journalism. >> >> Jane >> >> On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes in class >>> requirements! >>> I now need five more classes, and a practicum! >>> I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a practicum, >>> which I was going to do in January, but that has changed! >>> I'm tired of this nonsense! >>> I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of me, due >>> to my disability. >>> Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Nov 14 03:55:17 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:55:17 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! In-Reply-To: References: <7FC7339F-423A-4F8C-A875-C7DA308CD18F@gmail.com> , Message-ID: I just wish they would have told me before the end of the semester though. They've pulled this same old stunt for years, and I'm tired of this. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Arielle Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! This doesn't sound like a blindness issue to me. Degree requirements change frequently and, annoying as it may be, it's equally annoying for everyone. It sounds like anyone who started the program when you did will have the same issue, right? Arielle On 11/13/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > The counselor said that it was new state requirements but they've told me > every semester, that it woulc be my last one, but they keep adding stuff. > My state, (Arkansas,) wants too much stuff! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane > [juanitatighan at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! > > At the risk of sounding ... difficult. Why bother with Braille by the > classroom doors? They had Braille signs on each building at my university, > Braille on the rest rooms, and I think there was a Braille sign near our > Office of Disability services. If you are just counting doors to find the > right one anyhow, or judging distance, you don't need the Braille on each > classroom door. This is just my opinion. I have to sayI also thought the > Braille sign on each building was silly. If you didn't know where you were, > even seeing the building label might not help much. > I should clarify they did not actually put labels on the outside of the > buildings, but they did label the rest rooms and some other things at my > request. > > Also going in "knowing I will loose" is not a good way to start off. > Frustrating as it is, you still have to project confidence. It's not easy to > do, but you have to. > > As for the degree in behavioral health, I don't know for sure how often > *those* change. Before you go and talk to them, check with other > universities in your state and see if they are updating their degree > programs. If so, then it's a state-wide requirement or three that have been > added, and everyone, everyone, everyone regardless of disability or lack > thereof, is gong to be forced to bite the bullet and deal with it, or get a > different degree. > > Jane > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> Hi Jane. >> My degree is an Associates in Behavioral Health. >> I'm planning to fight it, but I know with those hard-nosed people, I'll >> never win, because I've fought them tooth and nail to get efficient >> Braille on the doors of the classrooms, and they've finally approved of >> changing them, but I have to put the labels on, myself! >> This is stuff that should've been done a long time ago, according to the >> IDEA! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane >> [juanitatighan at gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! >> >> How willing ar eyou to fight? They tried to completely change my degree >> to something else. >> >> BTW, what is your degree in If it's education, then I am afraid you are >> out of luck, because requirements for that are always changing. If it's >> something else, ou need to think carefully about how hard you want to push >> them. I simply told them point-blank there was no way I was going to stay >> in college for at least one mroe year, maybe more, to take on extra >> classes that were not originally required. Eventually they accepted my >> position, and I was the last person to graduate from my university with a >> degree in English-Journalism. >> >> Jane >> >> On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes in class >>> requirements! >>> I now need five more classes, and a practicum! >>> I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a practicum, >>> which I was going to do in January, but that has changed! >>> I'm tired of this nonsense! >>> I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of me, due >>> to my disability. >>> Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Wed Nov 14 04:58:08 2012 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:58:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! In-Reply-To: References: <7FC7339F-423A-4F8C-A875-C7DA308CD18F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0A32A3AC-21BE-4285-B6B1-F34AE2475BDE@samobile.net> I don't know how long you've been in school. Statistics tell us that the average associates degree takes about 3 Years. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > The counselor said that it was new state requirements but they've told me every semester, that it woulc be my last one, but they keep adding stuff. > My state, (Arkansas,) wants too much stuff! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane [juanitatighan at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! > > At the risk of sounding ... difficult. Why bother with Braille by the classroom doors? They had Braille signs on each building at my university, Braille on the rest rooms, and I think there was a Braille sign near our Office of Disability services. If you are just counting doors to find the right one anyhow, or judging distance, you don't need the Braille on each classroom door. This is just my opinion. I have to sayI also thought the Braille sign on each building was silly. If you didn't know where you were, even seeing the building label might not help much. > I should clarify they did not actually put labels on the outside of the buildings, but they did label the rest rooms and some other things at my request. > > Also going in "knowing I will loose" is not a good way to start off. Frustrating as it is, you still have to project confidence. It's not easy to do, but you have to. > > As for the degree in behavioral health, I don't know for sure how often *those* change. Before you go and talk to them, check with other universities in your state and see if they are updating their degree programs. If so, then it's a state-wide requirement or three that have been added, and everyone, everyone, everyone regardless of disability or lack thereof, is gong to be forced to bite the bullet and deal with it, or get a different degree. > > Jane > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Hi Jane. >> My degree is an Associates in Behavioral Health. >> I'm planning to fight it, but I know with those hard-nosed people, I'll never win, because I've fought them tooth and nail to get efficient Braille on the doors of the classrooms, and they've finally approved of changing them, but I have to put the labels on, myself! >> This is stuff that should've been done a long time ago, according to the IDEA! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane [juanitatighan at gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! >> >> How willing ar eyou to fight? They tried to completely change my degree to something else. >> >> BTW, what is your degree in If it's education, then I am afraid you are out of luck, because requirements for that are always changing. If it's something else, ou need to think carefully about how hard you want to push them. I simply told them point-blank there was no way I was going to stay in college for at least one mroe year, maybe more, to take on extra classes that were not originally required. Eventually they accepted my position, and I was the last person to graduate from my university with a degree in English-Journalism. >> >> Jane >> >> On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes in class requirements! >>> I now need five more classes, and a practicum! >>> I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a practicum, which I was going to do in January, but that has changed! >>> I'm tired of this nonsense! >>> I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of me, due to my disability. >>> Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From lissa1531 at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 05:02:06 2012 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:02:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! References: Message-ID: <66A5E4F76A9F4092A816DDF57A666B58@HP30910210001> Hi all. I have just returned to the list. I must say that I agree with ariel this isn't a blindness issue. However, many times the the changes is that are required are in the catalog. Which aren't that accessible. If you have an advisor. I would talk to him/her, and may be there is a class that you have taken that can be substetuted. I am going through the same thing right now. If I move into a new catalog I will be able to not take some classes. However, DVR is saying no way. Then I I am having to take the math class that I am already in again at the university this time. So I have been doing the things that I have suggested in this message. Many blessings, melissa and Pj At the center of your being you have the answer; you know who you are and you know what you want. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:59 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes in class requirements! I now need five more classes, and a practicum! I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a practicum, which I was going to do in January, but that has changed! I'm tired of this nonsense! I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of me, due to my disability. Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 05:06:32 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:06:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! In-Reply-To: <66A5E4F76A9F4092A816DDF57A666B58@HP30910210001> References: <66A5E4F76A9F4092A816DDF57A666B58@HP30910210001> Message-ID: Melissa, Why does DVR have any say over which catalog year you use? Isn't that between you and the academic advisors at your school? Cost-wise, it seems like if anything, DVR would save money by funding the program that has less requirements. Arielle On 11/13/12, melissa Green wrote: > Hi all. > I have just returned to the list. > I must say that I agree with ariel this isn't a blindness issue. However, > many times the the changes is that are required are in the catalog. Which > aren't that accessible. > If you have an advisor. I would talk to him/her, and may be there is a > class that you have taken that can be substetuted. > I am going through the same thing right now. If I move into a new catalog I > > will be able to not take some classes. However, DVR is saying no way. Then > > I I am having to take the math class that I am already in again at the > university this time. > So I have been doing the things that I have suggested in this message. > > Many blessings, > melissa and Pj > At the center of your being you have the answer; you know who you are and > you know what you want. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:59 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! > > > I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes in class > requirements! > I now need five more classes, and a practicum! > I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a practicum, which I > > was going to do in January, but that has changed! > I'm tired of this nonsense! > I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of me, due to > > my disability. > Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Nov 14 05:06:59 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:06:59 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! In-Reply-To: <0A32A3AC-21BE-4285-B6B1-F34AE2475BDE@samobile.net> References: <7FC7339F-423A-4F8C-A875-C7DA308CD18F@gmail.com> , <0A32A3AC-21BE-4285-B6B1-F34AE2475BDE@samobile.net> Message-ID: This is my fourth year. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jedi Moerke [loneblindjedi at samobile.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! I don't know how long you've been in school. Statistics tell us that the average associates degree takes about 3 Years. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > The counselor said that it was new state requirements but they've told me every semester, that it woulc be my last one, but they keep adding stuff. > My state, (Arkansas,) wants too much stuff! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane [juanitatighan at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! > > At the risk of sounding ... difficult. Why bother with Braille by the classroom doors? They had Braille signs on each building at my university, Braille on the rest rooms, and I think there was a Braille sign near our Office of Disability services. If you are just counting doors to find the right one anyhow, or judging distance, you don't need the Braille on each classroom door. This is just my opinion. I have to sayI also thought the Braille sign on each building was silly. If you didn't know where you were, even seeing the building label might not help much. > I should clarify they did not actually put labels on the outside of the buildings, but they did label the rest rooms and some other things at my request. > > Also going in "knowing I will loose" is not a good way to start off. Frustrating as it is, you still have to project confidence. It's not easy to do, but you have to. > > As for the degree in behavioral health, I don't know for sure how often *those* change. Before you go and talk to them, check with other universities in your state and see if they are updating their degree programs. If so, then it's a state-wide requirement or three that have been added, and everyone, everyone, everyone regardless of disability or lack thereof, is gong to be forced to bite the bullet and deal with it, or get a different degree. > > Jane > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Hi Jane. >> My degree is an Associates in Behavioral Health. >> I'm planning to fight it, but I know with those hard-nosed people, I'll never win, because I've fought them tooth and nail to get efficient Braille on the doors of the classrooms, and they've finally approved of changing them, but I have to put the labels on, myself! >> This is stuff that should've been done a long time ago, according to the IDEA! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane [juanitatighan at gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! >> >> How willing ar eyou to fight? They tried to completely change my degree to something else. >> >> BTW, what is your degree in If it's education, then I am afraid you are out of luck, because requirements for that are always changing. If it's something else, ou need to think carefully about how hard you want to push them. I simply told them point-blank there was no way I was going to stay in college for at least one mroe year, maybe more, to take on extra classes that were not originally required. Eventually they accepted my position, and I was the last person to graduate from my university with a degree in English-Journalism. >> >> Jane >> >> On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes in class requirements! >>> I now need five more classes, and a practicum! >>> I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a practicum, which I was going to do in January, but that has changed! >>> I'm tired of this nonsense! >>> I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of me, due to my disability. >>> Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 05:24:12 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:24:12 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] [nfbcs] FW: Bentech Needs Transcriber Volunteers! In-Reply-To: <17c4efb817-avila.bert.humberto2=gmail.com@mail.vresp.com> References: <17c4efb817-avila.bert.humberto2=gmail.com@mail.vresp.com> Message-ID: <20121114052412.GW25043@barcore.com> From: Benetech [mailto:Benetech at mail.vresp.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:48 PM To: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Subject: Bentech Needs Transcriber Volunteers! Hello Volunteers! Benetech's marketing department is seeking volunteers to transcribe 12 to 15 audio recordings into written text in order to make them accessible to deaf-blind and hard-of-hearing individuals. The audio recordings are 30 to 45 minutes in length on average. The transcriptions should be verbatim representations of the audio recordings, created in Word in standard sentence case, and divided into paragraphs as appropriate. They also need proofreaders to proofread these transcriptions. Volunteers should notify me (Madeleine - at the email below) upon completion of each transcription or proof of a transcription to receive $2.50 credit per transcription or proof. If interested, please contact Marcy Goot ( marcyg at benetech.org) in marketing by November 20 and let her know if you would like to proofread or transcribe. Best, Madeleine Linares Volunteer Coordinator Bookshare, a Benetech Initiative 650-644-3459 madeleinel at benetech.org _____ If you no longer wish to receive these emails, please reply to this message with "Unsubscribe" in the subject line or simply click on the following link: Unsubscribe _____ Benetech 480 S. California Ave Palo Alto, CA 94306 USA From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 05:44:03 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:44:03 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! In-Reply-To: <0A32A3AC-21BE-4285-B6B1-F34AE2475BDE@samobile.net> References: <7FC7339F-423A-4F8C-A875-C7DA308CD18F@gmail.com> <0A32A3AC-21BE-4285-B6B1-F34AE2475BDE@samobile.net> Message-ID: <06542C32757846DE82EC22ED248FD0BD@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, I spent 4 years to get my AA. I'm spending 3 years to finish my BA... I find signage that is the same place on doors useful. When the room numbers are on the side of the door, or on the door, or on a sign, or on a post and I have no idea where it is, Braille signage is useless. Braille signage on carwash machines is rather amusing as well, but that is a different topic. I always check to make sure I'm going into the men's restroom, because I get lost in the women's... XD About a quarter of the rooms at my school are Brailed, but some places the Braille got painted over when they repainted, so you can only tell there was Braille there, it isn't readable. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Jedi Moerke Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! I don't know how long you've been in school. Statistics tell us that the average associates degree takes about 3 Years. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > The counselor said that it was new state requirements but they've told me > every semester, that it woulc be my last one, but they keep adding stuff. > My state, (Arkansas,) wants too much stuff! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane > [juanitatighan at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! > > At the risk of sounding ... difficult. Why bother with Braille by the > classroom doors? They had Braille signs on each building at my university, > Braille on the rest rooms, and I think there was a Braille sign near our > Office of Disability services. If you are just counting doors to find the > right one anyhow, or judging distance, you don't need the Braille on each > classroom door. This is just my opinion. I have to sayI also thought the > Braille sign on each building was silly. If you didn't know where you > were, even seeing the building label might not help much. > I should clarify they did not actually put labels on the outside of the > buildings, but they did label the rest rooms and some other things at my > request. > > Also going in "knowing I will loose" is not a good way to start off. > Frustrating as it is, you still have to project confidence. It's not easy > to do, but you have to. > > As for the degree in behavioral health, I don't know for sure how often > *those* change. Before you go and talk to them, check with other > universities in your state and see if they are updating their degree > programs. If so, then it's a state-wide requirement or three that have > been added, and everyone, everyone, everyone regardless of disability or > lack thereof, is gong to be forced to bite the bullet and deal with it, or > get a different degree. > > Jane > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> Hi Jane. >> My degree is an Associates in Behavioral Health. >> I'm planning to fight it, but I know with those hard-nosed people, I'll >> never win, because I've fought them tooth and nail to get efficient >> Braille on the doors of the classrooms, and they've finally approved of >> changing them, but I have to put the labels on, myself! >> This is stuff that should've been done a long time ago, according to the >> IDEA! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane >> [juanitatighan at gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! >> >> How willing ar eyou to fight? They tried to completely change my degree >> to something else. >> >> BTW, what is your degree in If it's education, then I am afraid you are >> out of luck, because requirements for that are always changing. If it's >> something else, ou need to think carefully about how hard you want to >> push them. I simply told them point-blank there was no way I was going to >> stay in college for at least one mroe year, maybe more, to take on extra >> classes that were not originally required. Eventually they accepted my >> position, and I was the last person to graduate from my university with a >> degree in English-Journalism. >> >> Jane >> >> On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes in class >>> requirements! >>> I now need five more classes, and a practicum! >>> I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a practicum, >>> which I was going to do in January, but that has changed! >>> I'm tired of this nonsense! >>> I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of me, due >>> to my disability. >>> Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 17:23:11 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:23:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! Message-ID: <50a3d3b1.12fb640a.09fb.ffffdc55@mx.google.com> Joshua, what are you getting your degree in? The requirements may have changed since you started college. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Some of us need braille signs on doors. People like me who aren't exactly shining stars in O&M might be assisted by reading the room numbers on classrooms. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane wrote: Hi Jane. My degree is an Associates in Behavioral Health. I'm planning to fight it, but I know with those hard-nosed people, I'll never win, because I've fought them tooth and nail to get efficient Braille on the doors of the classrooms, and they've finally approved of changing them, but I have to put the labels on, myself! This is stuff that should've been done a long time ago, according to the IDEA! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane [juanitatighan at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! How willing ar eyou to fight? They tried to completely change my degree to something else. BTW, what is your degree in If it's education, then I am afraid you are out of luck, because requirements for that are always changing. If it's something else, ou need to think carefully about how hard you want to push them. I simply told them point-blank there was no way I was going to stay in college for at least one mroe year, maybe more, to take on extra classes that were not originally required. Eventually they accepted my position, and I was the last person to graduate from my university with a degree in English-Journalism. Jane On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes in class requirements! I now need five more classes, and a practicum! I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a practicum, which I was going to do in January, but that has changed! I'm tired of this nonsense! I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of me, due to my disability. Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 17:58:45 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:58:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! In-Reply-To: <50a3d46a.828dec0a.4585.ffffeb0f@mx.google.com> References: <50a3d46a.828dec0a.4585.ffffeb0f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: We're getting off topic here, but, I guess, I'll push this train a little farther off the railroad track. I find braille signs helpful, but not necessary. I've usually found braille signs to be consistent within a given building; that is, when I find where they put a sign in relation to one room door, the other signs in the same building are usually in the same relative position to their respective doors. Not always, but usually. The only time in my recent memory I've ever felt like I was at a real disadvantage without braille signs was when I was staying at a motel a couple months ago and there were like four buildings in the complex with no braille anywhere. I figured it out, to the point where I could consistently find anything I needed in the dang complex, but it took a few extra minutes of trial and error I really didn't want to spend...but even that was only a minor annoyance. On 11/14/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Some of us need braille signs on doors. People like me who aren't > exactly shining stars in O&M might be assisted by reading the > room numbers on classrooms. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jane To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:21:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college > degree plan! > > At the risk of sounding ... difficult. Why bother with Braille by > the classroom doors? They had Braille signs on each building at > my university, Braille on the rest rooms, and I think there was a > Braille sign near our Office of Disability services. If you are > just counting doors to find the right one anyhow, or judging > distance, you don't need the Braille on each classroom door. This > is just my opinion. I have to sayI also thought the Braille sign > on each building was silly. If you didn't know where you were, > even seeing the building label might not help much. > I should clarify they did not actually put labels on the outside > of the buildings, but they did label the rest rooms and some > other things at my request. > > Also going in "knowing I will loose" is not a good way to start > off. Frustrating as it is, you still have to project confidence. > It's not easy to do, but you have to. > > As for the degree in behavioral health, I don't know for sure how > often *those* change. Before you go and talk to them, check with > other universities in your state and see if they are updating > their degree programs. If so, then it's a state-wide requirement > or three that have been added, and everyone, everyone, everyone > regardless of disability or lack thereof, is gong to be forced to > bite the bullet and deal with it, or get a different degree. > > Jane > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > > Hi Jane. > My degree is an Associates in Behavioral Health. > I'm planning to fight it, but I know with those hard-nosed > people, I'll never win, because I've fought them tooth and nail > to get efficient Braille on the doors of the classrooms, and > they've finally approved of changing them, but I have to put the > labels on, myself! > This is stuff that should've been done a long time ago, > according to the IDEA! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane > [juanitatighan at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college > degree plan! > > How willing ar eyou to fight? They tried to completely change > my degree to something else. > > BTW, what is your degree in If it's education, then I am afraid > you are out of luck, because requirements for that are always > changing. If it's something else, ou need to think carefully > about how hard you want to push them. I simply told them > point-blank there was no way I was going to stay in college for > at least one mroe year, maybe more, to take on extra classes that > were not originally required. Eventually they accepted my > position, and I was the last person to graduate from my > university with a degree in English-Journalism. > > Jane > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > > I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes > in class requirements! > I now need five more classes, and a practicum! > I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a > practicum, which I was going to do in January, but that has > changed! > I'm tired of this nonsense! > I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of > me, due to my disability. > Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 18:13:51 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:13:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! In-Reply-To: References: <50a3d46a.828dec0a.4585.ffffeb0f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I had something similar happen to me. I am supposed to graduate in December of 2013. I was told the other day that I need 6 more hours of electives, and go figure most of the classes that are options to me are either not accessible, not workable or online and the online component isn't accessible to me. So I have to go take a class at the community college, which is also not accessible but easier to make work, and transfer it in. This is after the university made me change my foreign language double major to a French major Russian minor because they refused to accomodate 8 more classes of Russian for me. Universities never sease to amaze me, hang in there man you're not the only one. Laurel On 11/14/12, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > We're getting off topic here, but, I guess, I'll push this train a > little farther off the railroad track. I find braille signs helpful, > but not necessary. I've usually found braille signs to be consistent > within a given building; that is, when I find where they put a sign in > relation to one room door, the other signs in the same building are > usually in the same relative position to their respective doors. Not > always, but usually. The only time in my recent memory I've ever felt > like I was at a real disadvantage without braille signs was when I was > staying at a motel a couple months ago and there were like four > buildings in the complex with no braille anywhere. I figured it out, > to the point where I could consistently find anything I needed in the > dang complex, but it took a few extra minutes of trial and error I > really didn't want to spend...but even that was only a minor > annoyance. > > On 11/14/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Some of us need braille signs on doors. People like me who aren't >> exactly shining stars in O&M might be assisted by reading the >> room numbers on classrooms. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jane > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:21:03 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college >> degree plan! >> >> At the risk of sounding ... difficult. Why bother with Braille by >> the classroom doors? They had Braille signs on each building at >> my university, Braille on the rest rooms, and I think there was a >> Braille sign near our Office of Disability services. If you are >> just counting doors to find the right one anyhow, or judging >> distance, you don't need the Braille on each classroom door. This >> is just my opinion. I have to sayI also thought the Braille sign >> on each building was silly. If you didn't know where you were, >> even seeing the building label might not help much. >> I should clarify they did not actually put labels on the outside >> of the buildings, but they did label the rest rooms and some >> other things at my request. >> >> Also going in "knowing I will loose" is not a good way to start >> off. Frustrating as it is, you still have to project confidence. >> It's not easy to do, but you have to. >> >> As for the degree in behavioral health, I don't know for sure how >> often *those* change. Before you go and talk to them, check with >> other universities in your state and see if they are updating >> their degree programs. If so, then it's a state-wide requirement >> or three that have been added, and everyone, everyone, everyone >> regardless of disability or lack thereof, is gong to be forced to >> bite the bullet and deal with it, or get a different degree. >> >> Jane >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >> Hi Jane. >> My degree is an Associates in Behavioral Health. >> I'm planning to fight it, but I know with those hard-nosed >> people, I'll never win, because I've fought them tooth and nail >> to get efficient Braille on the doors of the classrooms, and >> they've finally approved of changing them, but I have to put the >> labels on, myself! >> This is stuff that should've been done a long time ago, >> according to the IDEA! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jane >> [juanitatighan at gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college >> degree plan! >> >> How willing ar eyou to fight? They tried to completely change >> my degree to something else. >> >> BTW, what is your degree in If it's education, then I am afraid >> you are out of luck, because requirements for that are always >> changing. If it's something else, ou need to think carefully >> about how hard you want to push them. I simply told them >> point-blank there was no way I was going to stay in college for >> at least one mroe year, maybe more, to take on extra classes that >> were not originally required. Eventually they accepted my >> position, and I was the last person to graduate from my >> university with a degree in English-Journalism. >> >> Jane >> >> On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >> I'm not going to graduate, until December, 2013, due to changes >> in class requirements! >> I now need five more classes, and a practicum! >> I was told originally, that I only needed 2 classes and a >> practicum, which I was going to do in January, but that has >> changed! >> I'm tired of this nonsense! >> I think that the college is just doing this to make money off of >> me, due to my disability. >> Have any of you faced something similar in your colleges? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Wed Nov 14 19:41:52 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:41:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Diversity in Disability: UB Student Newspaper Articles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Everyone, The Spectrum, UB's student newspaper, has published two articles relating to disability. I have also heard that they are working on perhaps one or two more articles relating to this topic as well. While no newspaper or indeed any media outlet is perfect it is great to see these topics being examined in more detail. Please see the articles below. “The Fairest of Them All” http://www.ubspectrum.com/life/the-fairest-of-them-all-1.2952433#.UKPtTGdCqjd “Buffalo Museum Honors the Disabled” http://www.ubspectrum.com/life/buffalo-museum-honors-the-disabled-1.2929147#.UKPuymdCrQc Have a wonderful Thanksgiving! :) David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Nov 14 21:19:05 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:19:05 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! In-Reply-To: <50a3d3b1.12fb640a.09fb.ffffdc55@mx.google.com> References: <50a3d3b1.12fb640a.09fb.ffffdc55@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Sophie. My degree is an Associates in Behavioral Health. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:23 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed in changes to my college degree plan! Joshua, what are you getting your degree in? The requirements may have changed since you started college. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Hi all, I just got this in my inbox and thought I’d pass it along for anyone who might be interested. This program sounds really awesome, and I love that it has a leadership/service focus along with the travel experience. Makes me wish I was still a student. Chris Parsons Global Explorers is currently accepting applications for two leadership-focused, adventure-filled, travel expeditions! This 2012-2013 season we will be uniting 15- to 21-year-old students who are blind, visually impaired, and sighted on two incredible Leading the Way Program expeditions. The first is the Rim to River expedition, where students will take part in engaging service and cultural immersion and then have the unique opportunity of rafting the Colorado River through the majestic Grand Canyon. The second is the Peruvian Highlands expedition, where students will experience the magic of the Quechua culture and hike through the Andes exploring Inca ruins, ending at the infamous Machu Picchu. The Leading the Way Program was developed in partnership with world-renowned blind adventurer Erik Weihenmayer. For more information and to apply, visit: http://www.globalexplorers.org/programs/leading_the_way Applications are due November 30, 2012. To nominate a student please visit: http://www.globalexplorers.org/programs/forms/nominate/ From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 16:38:35 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:38:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers Message-ID: Hey, gang, I know this e-mail might sound a bit odd, but here goes. There's a good chance I'll be working at my local Macdonalds very shortly. The owner (who is a fairly close family friend) is understandably, but I think unnecessarily, afraid of me potentially using any equipment that hasn't been specifically adapted for blind people. I'll have to convince him I can really flip hamburgers and use a grill, but I think he's one of the people who will "get it" after a little education. Now, here are my questions to you. Have any of you handled cash registers and credit card machines before and, if so, what kinds of techniques have you used to deal with credit cards? I'm not really worried about organizing cash, but I'm thinking a regular, run-of-the-mill credit card machine might be a little tricky...not impossible, mind, but tricky. Have any of you used any "accessible" credit card machines in already established restaurants? Also...if any of you have any tips on how I can best convince my managers that I really can cook safely, even in a back room industrial kitchen like Macdonalds, that'd be appreciated. I have no doubt I can do it; what I don't know how to do, I'll be able to learn. Still, I'm thinking convincing the people I work with that I'll be safe is another beast entirely. Thoughts? Best, Kirt From djdan567 at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 17:10:24 2012 From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:10:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In general, make sure your number one thing is to prove yourself. Let them see that you can do it. Do it the first couple of times. That's as far as the cooking goes because I've seen a talking register, but never had a clue about a accessible card machine. Good luck and make the best out of it. If the family friend knows you, they should know your potential. Or else you wouldn't be getting picked for the job. Let him be your advicate. Let him stick up for you and let you prove yourself if the co-workers are being ignorant. You know the manager on a personal level. I hope it all works out. On 11/15/12, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Hey, gang, > I know this e-mail might sound a bit odd, but here goes. There's a > good chance I'll be working at my local Macdonalds very shortly. The > owner (who is a fairly close family friend) is understandably, but I > think unnecessarily, afraid of me potentially using any equipment that > hasn't been specifically adapted for blind people. I'll have to > convince him I can really flip hamburgers and use a grill, but I think > he's one of the people who will "get it" after a little education. > Now, here are my questions to you. > Have any of you handled cash registers and credit card machines > before and, if so, what kinds of techniques have you used to deal with > credit cards? I'm not really worried about organizing cash, but I'm > thinking a regular, run-of-the-mill credit card machine might be a > little tricky...not impossible, mind, but tricky. Have any of you > used any "accessible" credit card machines in already established > restaurants? > Also...if any of you have any tips on how I can best convince my > managers that I really can cook safely, even in a back room industrial > kitchen like Macdonalds, that'd be appreciated. I have no doubt I can > do it; what I don't know how to do, I'll be able to learn. Still, I'm > thinking convincing the people I work with that I'll be safe is > another beast entirely. Thoughts? > Best, > Kirt > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdan567%40gmail.com > -- Daniel C Romero Paterson New Jersey Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 website: http://www.danrmusic.me Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/DanRMusic1 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/DanRMusic From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 17:41:31 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:41:31 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9ED204F063F349D7AAFDD49CA87A26E8@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, Cooking is safer than working the cash registers in my opinion. I've never used the machine's McDonalds uses, but if you asked to have a tour after closing time so you can feel the cookers and learn how they work, I'm sure you could figure out how to use them. Just make fudge or something while your friend is over. If he knows anything about cooking, he should know that not much is more dangerous than working with boiling Carmel. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Manwaring Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:38 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers Hey, gang, I know this e-mail might sound a bit odd, but here goes. There's a good chance I'll be working at my local Macdonalds very shortly. The owner (who is a fairly close family friend) is understandably, but I think unnecessarily, afraid of me potentially using any equipment that hasn't been specifically adapted for blind people. I'll have to convince him I can really flip hamburgers and use a grill, but I think he's one of the people who will "get it" after a little education. Now, here are my questions to you. Have any of you handled cash registers and credit card machines before and, if so, what kinds of techniques have you used to deal with credit cards? I'm not really worried about organizing cash, but I'm thinking a regular, run-of-the-mill credit card machine might be a little tricky...not impossible, mind, but tricky. Have any of you used any "accessible" credit card machines in already established restaurants? Also...if any of you have any tips on how I can best convince my managers that I really can cook safely, even in a back room industrial kitchen like Macdonalds, that'd be appreciated. I have no doubt I can do it; what I don't know how to do, I'll be able to learn. Still, I'm thinking convincing the people I work with that I'll be safe is another beast entirely. Thoughts? Best, Kirt _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 00:10:05 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:10:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers In-Reply-To: <9ED204F063F349D7AAFDD49CA87A26E8@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <9ED204F063F349D7AAFDD49CA87A26E8@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Brandon, I totally agree with you that it's safe, extremely safe, to be a blind cook if you know what you're doing. However, I'm slightly baffled as to what you think might be unsafe about running a cash register" Enlighten me? On 11/15/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > Cooking is safer than working the cash registers in my opinion. > I've never used the machine's McDonalds uses, but if you asked to have a > tour after closing time so you can feel the cookers and learn how they work, > > I'm sure you could figure out how to use them. > Just make fudge or something while your friend is over. If he knows anything > > about cooking, he should know that not much is more dangerous than working > with boiling Carmel. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt Manwaring > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:38 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers > > Hey, gang, > I know this e-mail might sound a bit odd, but here goes. There's a > good chance I'll be working at my local Macdonalds very shortly. The > owner (who is a fairly close family friend) is understandably, but I > think unnecessarily, afraid of me potentially using any equipment that > hasn't been specifically adapted for blind people. I'll have to > convince him I can really flip hamburgers and use a grill, but I think > he's one of the people who will "get it" after a little education. > Now, here are my questions to you. > Have any of you handled cash registers and credit card machines > before and, if so, what kinds of techniques have you used to deal with > credit cards? I'm not really worried about organizing cash, but I'm > thinking a regular, run-of-the-mill credit card machine might be a > little tricky...not impossible, mind, but tricky. Have any of you > used any "accessible" credit card machines in already established > restaurants? > Also...if any of you have any tips on how I can best convince my > managers that I really can cook safely, even in a back room industrial > kitchen like Macdonalds, that'd be appreciated. I have no doubt I can > do it; what I don't know how to do, I'll be able to learn. Still, I'm > thinking convincing the people I work with that I'll be safe is > another beast entirely. Thoughts? > Best, > Kirt > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 00:54:38 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:54:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships References: <418378F4674D4F989D56E91FE265D240@Gloria> Message-ID: I just ran across this email and I must say I think you should be careful how you word things. If I asked you for a cite, then it is a reason. If you do not wish to help, then just say so. With all do respect, if someone asked me to send them a particular cite, then I wouldn't hesitate. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Meddaugh" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships > At the risk of sounding a bit blunt, if you aren't willing to put in the > effort to search the list archives as was suggested, perhaps this same > attitude will be noticed by those who may offer scholarships to you? > You can search the NFBNet lists at http://www.nfbnet.org with an archive > going back several years. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships > > >> Hi, >> Are there a few you could just give me off hand now? Thanks! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships >> >> >>> Hello, >>> There are plenty. We did a whole thread on this a while back, search the >>> archives for scholarships. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gloria G >>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 5:42 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships >>> >>> Hi all, >>> Does anyone know of any scholarships that blind students can apply for >>> to assist inpurchasing assistive technology? Thanks! >>> Gloria >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 00:55:10 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:55:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships References: <418378F4674D4F989D56E91FE265D240@Gloria> Message-ID: You are rood for saying this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Meddaugh" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships > At the risk of sounding a bit blunt, if you aren't willing to put in the > effort to search the list archives as was suggested, perhaps this same > attitude will be noticed by those who may offer scholarships to you? > You can search the NFBNet lists at http://www.nfbnet.org with an archive > going back several years. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships > > >> Hi, >> Are there a few you could just give me off hand now? Thanks! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships >> >> >>> Hello, >>> There are plenty. We did a whole thread on this a while back, search the >>> archives for scholarships. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gloria G >>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 5:42 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Technology Scholarships >>> >>> Hi all, >>> Does anyone know of any scholarships that blind students can apply for >>> to assist inpurchasing assistive technology? Thanks! >>> Gloria >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 00:55:24 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:55:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers In-Reply-To: References: <9ED204F063F349D7AAFDD49CA87A26E8@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Hi Kurt, First, congratulations on getting this far with the McDonald's job prospect. I know it might seem a little weird to be congratulated for a job at McDonald's, but these jobs are some of the easiest for our sighted peers to get and yet some of the hardest for us blind folks to get, both because of accessibility challenges and because we are often steered away from these kinds of jobs. I am not sure if other blind folks have worked at common fast-food chains in the past, but your working there will set a good precedent for other blind college students and teens who want to earn funds and gain legitimate work experience. I do not know much about the accessibility of credit card machines. Perhaps someone in the blind merchants' division in your NFB affiliate would be a good contact for that? I imagine that you could learn how to swipe somebody's card even if the machine is inaccessible, but if it has a touch screen, you may not be able to confirm the card swipe or confirm the customer's signature. I'd think customers could handle that part themselves, but I don't know if employees at McDonald's might worry that customers could somehow get away with not paying if you don't have access to the machine's display. Depending on how the screen is configured, you might be able to put a little tactile dot or sticker on the "OK" button. It sounds challenging but doable. As for cooking, if the manager is a family friend and/or someone you think could let go of his doubts, then you could invite him over for a homecooked meal and cook for him using a grill, deep fryer or whatever you might be using at McDonald's. However, just keep in mind that being watched by somebody you want to impress could put you off your game a little bit. In fact, in social-psychological research people tend to do worse at difficult tasks when they are being watched, but better at easy tasks. So if you want to impress him, you should probably do it in your own kitchen where you have the advantage of familiarity, and make something you have made before. Hopefully he will make the leap that if you can cook on the stove, fryer or grill at home without any issues, then you can also handle the industrial kitchens at McDonald's. If you did any exotic cooking adventures during your training center stint, like deep-frying something for a crowd, it doesn't hurt to point that out to him as well. Also there are tools you can buy for pretty cheap to make flipping things on the grill or stove easier, like a double spatula or a locking holder you can put a burger into on the grill. These are not specifically made for blind people, but in my experience they do make it much easier to flip things with limited tactile information. For example, with the locking holders you can flip the whole thing by the handle (which doesn't get hot) instead of trying to feel the burger with a spatula or using your hand. I don't know if you can purchase something like this and bring it with you to your shifts, but offering to take the initiative to buy things that would make your job easier and safer might impress them too. Best, Arielle On 11/15/12, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Brandon, > I totally agree with you that it's safe, extremely safe, to be a > blind cook if you know what you're doing. However, I'm slightly > baffled as to what you think might be unsafe about running a cash > register" Enlighten me? > > On 11/15/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> Cooking is safer than working the cash registers in my opinion. >> I've never used the machine's McDonalds uses, but if you asked to have a >> tour after closing time so you can feel the cookers and learn how they >> work, >> >> I'm sure you could figure out how to use them. >> Just make fudge or something while your friend is over. If he knows >> anything >> >> about cooking, he should know that not much is more dangerous than >> working >> with boiling Carmel. >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kirt Manwaring >> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:38 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers >> >> Hey, gang, >> I know this e-mail might sound a bit odd, but here goes. There's a >> good chance I'll be working at my local Macdonalds very shortly. The >> owner (who is a fairly close family friend) is understandably, but I >> think unnecessarily, afraid of me potentially using any equipment that >> hasn't been specifically adapted for blind people. I'll have to >> convince him I can really flip hamburgers and use a grill, but I think >> he's one of the people who will "get it" after a little education. >> Now, here are my questions to you. >> Have any of you handled cash registers and credit card machines >> before and, if so, what kinds of techniques have you used to deal with >> credit cards? I'm not really worried about organizing cash, but I'm >> thinking a regular, run-of-the-mill credit card machine might be a >> little tricky...not impossible, mind, but tricky. Have any of you >> used any "accessible" credit card machines in already established >> restaurants? >> Also...if any of you have any tips on how I can best convince my >> managers that I really can cook safely, even in a back room industrial >> kitchen like Macdonalds, that'd be appreciated. I have no doubt I can >> do it; what I don't know how to do, I'll be able to learn. Still, I'm >> thinking convincing the people I work with that I'll be safe is >> another beast entirely. Thoughts? >> Best, >> Kirt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 19:51:03 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:51:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers In-Reply-To: References: <9ED204F063F349D7AAFDD49CA87A26E8@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <-357702279570173390@unknownmsgid> Kirt, The only problem I can think of in running a cash register as a blind person is the problem of knowing what money you're getting back and giving back the right change. Of course, most of this is computerize now, but it still helps for you to know what money is being given to you. Without an iPhone with The look tell money reader app, or some other kind of money reader, you just have to trust people. Unfortunately, this is not always a good way to go. But, there are solutions. Congratulations on getting the job! Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Brandon, > I totally agree with you that it's safe, extremely safe, to be a > blind cook if you know what you're doing. However, I'm slightly > baffled as to what you think might be unsafe about running a cash > register" Enlighten me? > > On 11/15/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> Cooking is safer than working the cash registers in my opinion. >> I've never used the machine's McDonalds uses, but if you asked to have a >> tour after closing time so you can feel the cookers and learn how they work, >> >> I'm sure you could figure out how to use them. >> Just make fudge or something while your friend is over. If he knows anything >> >> about cooking, he should know that not much is more dangerous than working >> with boiling Carmel. >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kirt Manwaring >> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:38 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers >> >> Hey, gang, >> I know this e-mail might sound a bit odd, but here goes. There's a >> good chance I'll be working at my local Macdonalds very shortly. The >> owner (who is a fairly close family friend) is understandably, but I >> think unnecessarily, afraid of me potentially using any equipment that >> hasn't been specifically adapted for blind people. I'll have to >> convince him I can really flip hamburgers and use a grill, but I think >> he's one of the people who will "get it" after a little education. >> Now, here are my questions to you. >> Have any of you handled cash registers and credit card machines >> before and, if so, what kinds of techniques have you used to deal with >> credit cards? I'm not really worried about organizing cash, but I'm >> thinking a regular, run-of-the-mill credit card machine might be a >> little tricky...not impossible, mind, but tricky. Have any of you >> used any "accessible" credit card machines in already established >> restaurants? >> Also...if any of you have any tips on how I can best convince my >> managers that I really can cook safely, even in a back room industrial >> kitchen like Macdonalds, that'd be appreciated. I have no doubt I can >> do it; what I don't know how to do, I'll be able to learn. Still, I'm >> thinking convincing the people I work with that I'll be safe is >> another beast entirely. Thoughts? >> Best, >> Kirt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 23:29:52 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:29:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers In-Reply-To: <-357702279570173390@unknownmsgid> References: <9ED204F063F349D7AAFDD49CA87A26E8@BrandonsLaptop2> <-357702279570173390@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Chris, I haven't gotten the job yet, but it seems like I stand a decent shot because I know the owner and he's indicated a lot of interest. And, I agree with you about needing to find an alternative technique for using a cash register, but I fail to see how that has more potential danger than cooking. Like I said, I'm confident in my ability to cook safely, but I happen to think there are more risks to my physical safety in a kitchen than behind a cash register. On 11/16/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Kirt, > The only problem I can think of in running a cash register as a blind > person is the problem of knowing what money you're getting back and > giving back the right change. Of course, most of this is computerize > now, but it still helps for you to know what money is being given to > you. Without an iPhone with The look tell money reader app, or some > other kind of money reader, you just have to trust people. > Unfortunately, this is not always a good way to go. But, there are > solutions. Congratulations on getting the job! > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Kirt Manwaring > wrote: > >> Brandon, >> I totally agree with you that it's safe, extremely safe, to be a >> blind cook if you know what you're doing. However, I'm slightly >> baffled as to what you think might be unsafe about running a cash >> register" Enlighten me? >> >> On 11/15/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>> Hello, >>> Cooking is safer than working the cash registers in my opinion. >>> I've never used the machine's McDonalds uses, but if you asked to have a >>> tour after closing time so you can feel the cookers and learn how they >>> work, >>> >>> I'm sure you could figure out how to use them. >>> Just make fudge or something while your friend is over. If he knows >>> anything >>> >>> about cooking, he should know that not much is more dangerous than >>> working >>> with boiling Carmel. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:38 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers >>> >>> Hey, gang, >>> I know this e-mail might sound a bit odd, but here goes. There's a >>> good chance I'll be working at my local Macdonalds very shortly. The >>> owner (who is a fairly close family friend) is understandably, but I >>> think unnecessarily, afraid of me potentially using any equipment that >>> hasn't been specifically adapted for blind people. I'll have to >>> convince him I can really flip hamburgers and use a grill, but I think >>> he's one of the people who will "get it" after a little education. >>> Now, here are my questions to you. >>> Have any of you handled cash registers and credit card machines >>> before and, if so, what kinds of techniques have you used to deal with >>> credit cards? I'm not really worried about organizing cash, but I'm >>> thinking a regular, run-of-the-mill credit card machine might be a >>> little tricky...not impossible, mind, but tricky. Have any of you >>> used any "accessible" credit card machines in already established >>> restaurants? >>> Also...if any of you have any tips on how I can best convince my >>> managers that I really can cook safely, even in a back room industrial >>> kitchen like Macdonalds, that'd be appreciated. I have no doubt I can >>> do it; what I don't know how to do, I'll be able to learn. Still, I'm >>> thinking convincing the people I work with that I'll be safe is >>> another beast entirely. Thoughts? >>> Best, >>> Kirt >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 00:33:33 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:33:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers In-Reply-To: References: <9ED204F063F349D7AAFDD49CA87A26E8@BrandonsLaptop2> <-357702279570173390@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <03a201cdc45b$2e14b730$8a3e2590$@gmail.com> Kirt, I agree with you. However, if you're working at a cash register and you don't have any alternative techniques at your disposal for dealing with the money, I think you would run the risk of jeopardizing the whole business because somebody could have ripped you off and you don't even know it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 6:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers Chris, I haven't gotten the job yet, but it seems like I stand a decent shot because I know the owner and he's indicated a lot of interest. And, I agree with you about needing to find an alternative technique for using a cash register, but I fail to see how that has more potential danger than cooking. Like I said, I'm confident in my ability to cook safely, but I happen to think there are more risks to my physical safety in a kitchen than behind a cash register. On 11/16/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Kirt, > The only problem I can think of in running a cash register as a blind > person is the problem of knowing what money you're getting back and > giving back the right change. Of course, most of this is computerize > now, but it still helps for you to know what money is being given to > you. Without an iPhone with The look tell money reader app, or some > other kind of money reader, you just have to trust people. > Unfortunately, this is not always a good way to go. But, there are > solutions. Congratulations on getting the job! > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Kirt Manwaring > wrote: > >> Brandon, >> I totally agree with you that it's safe, extremely safe, to be a >> blind cook if you know what you're doing. However, I'm slightly >> baffled as to what you think might be unsafe about running a cash >> register" Enlighten me? >> >> On 11/15/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>> Hello, >>> Cooking is safer than working the cash registers in my opinion. >>> I've never used the machine's McDonalds uses, but if you asked to >>> have a tour after closing time so you can feel the cookers and learn >>> how they work, >>> >>> I'm sure you could figure out how to use them. >>> Just make fudge or something while your friend is over. If he knows >>> anything >>> >>> about cooking, he should know that not much is more dangerous than >>> working with boiling Carmel. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:38 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers >>> >>> Hey, gang, >>> I know this e-mail might sound a bit odd, but here goes. There's a >>> good chance I'll be working at my local Macdonalds very shortly. >>> The owner (who is a fairly close family friend) is understandably, >>> but I think unnecessarily, afraid of me potentially using any >>> equipment that hasn't been specifically adapted for blind people. >>> I'll have to convince him I can really flip hamburgers and use a >>> grill, but I think he's one of the people who will "get it" after a little education. >>> Now, here are my questions to you. >>> Have any of you handled cash registers and credit card machines >>> before and, if so, what kinds of techniques have you used to deal >>> with credit cards? I'm not really worried about organizing cash, >>> but I'm thinking a regular, run-of-the-mill credit card machine >>> might be a little tricky...not impossible, mind, but tricky. Have >>> any of you used any "accessible" credit card machines in already >>> established restaurants? >>> Also...if any of you have any tips on how I can best convince my >>> managers that I really can cook safely, even in a back room >>> industrial kitchen like Macdonalds, that'd be appreciated. I have >>> no doubt I can do it; what I don't know how to do, I'll be able to >>> learn. Still, I'm thinking convincing the people I work with that >>> I'll be safe is another beast entirely. Thoughts? >>> Best, >>> Kirt >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbigg >>> s%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%4 >>> 0gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40 >> gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40g > mail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 02:14:56 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:14:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) Message-ID: http://www.allentxmovers.com/wp-content/plugins/akismet/google235.html From jhud7789 at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 03:36:08 2012 From: jhud7789 at gmail.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:36:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi the lick that you send to the list was from cmbc so I don't know what that was for. On 11/16/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > http://www.allentxmovers.com/wp-content/plugins/akismet/google235.html > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com > -- Joseph Hudson phone 2544661251 From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 03:45:33 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:45:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My account was hacked. I've fixed it, so this shouldn't happen again. On 11/16/12, Joseph Hudson wrote: > Hi the lick that you send to the list was from cmbc so I don't know > what that was for. > > On 11/16/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: >> http://www.allentxmovers.com/wp-content/plugins/akismet/google235.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Joseph Hudson > phone > 2544661251 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Nov 17 03:50:32 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 03:50:32 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Who in their right minds would want to hack someone's account? This has happened alot lately! Goodness! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Desiree Oudinot [turtlepower17 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:45 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (no subject) My account was hacked. I've fixed it, so this shouldn't happen again. On 11/16/12, Joseph Hudson wrote: > Hi the lick that you send to the list was from cmbc so I don't know > what that was for. > > On 11/16/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: >> http://www.allentxmovers.com/wp-content/plugins/akismet/google235.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Joseph Hudson > phone > 2544661251 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 03:56:23 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:56:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have no idea. I used to think that the services with more security flaws like AOL and Hotmail were more prone to this sort of thing, but apparently it can happen to anyone. That's the reason I got a Gmail account in the first place, because I thought it was the most secure of the free email providers. It probably still is, this was probably just a matter of bad luck. On 11/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: > Who in their right minds would want to hack someone's account? > This has happened alot lately! > Goodness! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Desiree Oudinot > [turtlepower17 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:45 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (no subject) > > My account was hacked. I've fixed it, so this shouldn't happen again. > > On 11/16/12, Joseph Hudson wrote: >> Hi the lick that you send to the list was from cmbc so I don't know >> what that was for. >> >> On 11/16/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: >>> http://www.allentxmovers.com/wp-content/plugins/akismet/google235.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Joseph Hudson >> phone >> 2544661251 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From jhud7789 at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 04:00:30 2012 From: jhud7789 at gmail.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:00:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know wouldit. On 11/16/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > I have no idea. I used to think that the services with more security > flaws like AOL and Hotmail were more prone to this sort of thing, but > apparently it can happen to anyone. That's the reason I got a Gmail > account in the first place, because I thought it was the most secure > of the free email providers. It probably still is, this was probably > just a matter of bad luck. > > On 11/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Who in their right minds would want to hack someone's account? >> This has happened alot lately! >> Goodness! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Desiree Oudinot >> [turtlepower17 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:45 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (no subject) >> >> My account was hacked. I've fixed it, so this shouldn't happen again. >> >> On 11/16/12, Joseph Hudson wrote: >>> Hi the lick that you send to the list was from cmbc so I don't know >>> what that was for. >>> >>> On 11/16/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: >>>> >>>> http://www.allentxmovers.com/wp-content/plugins/akismet/google235.html >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Joseph Hudson >>> phone >>> 2544661251 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com > -- Joseph Hudson phone 2544661251 From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 08:36:23 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 03:36:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Re: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: dear all, It could also be (this is just me analyzing the situation at 3 in the morning) that the person is actually using fake headers instead of a ctually getting into people's accounts. suspicion leads me to believe those hacking attacks aren't a coincidence. I can also say for a fact that gmail is more secure than other secondary e-mail servers such as hotmail. At any rate, 'm glad you got your e-mail fixed, desiree. Mauricio On Nov 16, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote: > I know wouldit. > > On 11/16/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: >> I have no idea. I used to think that the services with more security >> flaws like AOL and Hotmail were more prone to this sort of thing, but >> apparently it can happen to anyone. That's the reason I got a Gmail >> account in the first place, because I thought it was the most secure >> of the free email providers. It probably still is, this was probably >> just a matter of bad luck. >> >> On 11/16/12, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Who in their right minds would want to hack someone's account? >>> This has happened alot lately! >>> Goodness! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Desiree Oudinot >>> [turtlepower17 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:45 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (no subject) >>> >>> My account was hacked. I've fixed it, so this shouldn't happen again. >>> >>> On 11/16/12, Joseph Hudson wrote: >>>> Hi the lick that you send to the list was from cmbc so I don't know >>>> what that was for. >>>> >>>> On 11/16/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.allentxmovers.com/wp-content/plugins/akismet/google235.html >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Joseph Hudson >>>> phone >>>> 2544661251 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Joseph Hudson > phone > 2544661251 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com From deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 01:08:30 2012 From: deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com (Deb Mendelsohn) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:08:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) Message-ID: -- From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sun Nov 18 01:37:06 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 01:37:06 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Deb, what were you trying to send? Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Deb Mendelsohn [deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) -- _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 01:53:56 2012 From: deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com (Deb Mendelsohn) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:53:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Joshua, Nothing. It was accidental. Sorry. Deb On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Joshua Lester < JLester8462 at pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com> wrote: > Deb, what were you trying to send? > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Deb Mendelsohn [ > deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/deb.mendelsohn%40gmail.com > -- *Deb's Cell: 520-225-8244* From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 21:53:44 2012 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:53:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and application mode Message-ID: Hey Guys, I'm using JAWS 12 and every now and then, when I go onto certain webpages, it says "application mode on." Then JAWS behaves really strangely. Any ideas how to turn application mode off? What's the point of application mode anyway? Thanks, Patrick From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 00:54:55 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:54:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and application mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000d01cdc5f0$7ebed170$7c3c7450$@gmail.com> Patrick, If memory serves me, the keystroke to turn application mode off is alt control shift a. If this doesn't work, try control a or control shift a. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Molloy Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and application mode Hey Guys, I'm using JAWS 12 and every now and then, when I go onto certain webpages, it says "application mode on." Then JAWS behaves really strangely. Any ideas how to turn application mode off? What's the point of application mode anyway? Thanks, Patrick _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From freethaught at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 15:02:52 2012 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:02:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B023A96-6D52-4133-B719-F3B2C81887D1@gmail.com> Hello Kurt and all, Good for you I'm going for a job, even if there is some doubt that you may be able to do it. I say this is one of many jobs you can get, so don't be disappointed if you don't get this one just yet. I am sure you're fully capable of pulling your own in the industrial kitchen. However, one should realize that if she or he can make coffee for instance, it doesn't mean that she can work at Starbucks making coffee. There's a great number of tools in a larger amount of ingredients used in making coffee in the day-to-day operations of the coffee shop. My coffee shop example would call for a blind person to become familiar with most if not all tools techniques and operations of the business. This would come to me in the form of experience, or I could ask a close friend to describe in detail what happens in the coffee shop. Alternatively, I could go to a smaller establishment, and ask them to show me the ropes. Kurt, you have an advantage here because the owner is a friend of the families, and they can show you the kitchen, the ingredients, and the workspace. I say go for it, and see what happens. Antonio On Nov 15, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Hey, gang, > I know this e-mail might sound a bit odd, but here goes. There's a > good chance I'll be working at my local Macdonalds very shortly. The > owner (who is a fairly close family friend) is understandably, but I > think unnecessarily, afraid of me potentially using any equipment that > hasn't been specifically adapted for blind people. I'll have to > convince him I can really flip hamburgers and use a grill, but I think > he's one of the people who will "get it" after a little education. > Now, here are my questions to you. > Have any of you handled cash registers and credit card machines > before and, if so, what kinds of techniques have you used to deal with > credit cards? I'm not really worried about organizing cash, but I'm > thinking a regular, run-of-the-mill credit card machine might be a > little tricky...not impossible, mind, but tricky. Have any of you > used any "accessible" credit card machines in already established > restaurants? > Also...if any of you have any tips on how I can best convince my > managers that I really can cook safely, even in a back room industrial > kitchen like Macdonalds, that'd be appreciated. I have no doubt I can > do it; what I don't know how to do, I'll be able to learn. Still, I'm > thinking convincing the people I work with that I'll be safe is > another beast entirely. Thoughts? > Best, > Kirt > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From freethaught at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 15:12:02 2012 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:12:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers In-Reply-To: References: <9ED204F063F349D7AAFDD49CA87A26E8@BrandonsLaptop2> <-357702279570173390@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <9A49B5BA-2657-4F72-B645-D3ECACF8E966@gmail.com> Kurt, While there are many alternative techniques to using a cash register, including the use of fully talking registers, I also failed to imagine how I could utilize a touchscreen device from the mainstream establishment. I see little chance that businesses will change registers for a blind person. Modifications would probably fall under what we consider unreasonable. Unfortunately, this is just the way the cookie crumbles. And we are better off fighting bigger battles than these. Now, if the overall business of blind merchants establishments comes under attack, and is under threat of being inaccessible, we should act to change the situation. This is unfortunate. There are many millions of jobs that we can start doing, except for that they are not accessible. I was limited to phone work at Home Depot store because it was probably considered not safe for me to do many other things there. And if something were considered safe, it was likely not accessible. I knew four instance that I would have little trouble selling appliances. But there was another problem. Coworkers didn't think I could do the job, nor did they accept the fact that I would be taking one of theirs. On Nov 16, 2012, at 6:29 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Chris, > I haven't gotten the job yet, but it seems like I stand a decent > shot because I know the owner and he's indicated a lot of interest. > And, I agree with you about needing to find an alternative technique > for using a cash register, but I fail to see how that has more > potential danger than cooking. Like I said, I'm confident in my > ability to cook safely, but I happen to think there are more risks to > my physical safety in a kitchen than behind a cash register. > > On 11/16/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: >> Kirt, >> The only problem I can think of in running a cash register as a blind >> person is the problem of knowing what money you're getting back and >> giving back the right change. Of course, most of this is computerize >> now, but it still helps for you to know what money is being given to >> you. Without an iPhone with The look tell money reader app, or some >> other kind of money reader, you just have to trust people. >> Unfortunately, this is not always a good way to go. But, there are >> solutions. Congratulations on getting the job! >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Kirt Manwaring >> wrote: >> >>> Brandon, >>> I totally agree with you that it's safe, extremely safe, to be a >>> blind cook if you know what you're doing. However, I'm slightly >>> baffled as to what you think might be unsafe about running a cash >>> register" Enlighten me? >>> >>> On 11/15/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> Cooking is safer than working the cash registers in my opinion. >>>> I've never used the machine's McDonalds uses, but if you asked to have a >>>> tour after closing time so you can feel the cookers and learn how they >>>> work, >>>> >>>> I'm sure you could figure out how to use them. >>>> Just make fudge or something while your friend is over. If he knows >>>> anything >>>> >>>> about cooking, he should know that not much is more dangerous than >>>> working >>>> with boiling Carmel. >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:38 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] blind cashiers/burger flippers >>>> >>>> Hey, gang, >>>> I know this e-mail might sound a bit odd, but here goes. There's a >>>> good chance I'll be working at my local Macdonalds very shortly. The >>>> owner (who is a fairly close family friend) is understandably, but I >>>> think unnecessarily, afraid of me potentially using any equipment that >>>> hasn't been specifically adapted for blind people. I'll have to >>>> convince him I can really flip hamburgers and use a grill, but I think >>>> he's one of the people who will "get it" after a little education. >>>> Now, here are my questions to you. >>>> Have any of you handled cash registers and credit card machines >>>> before and, if so, what kinds of techniques have you used to deal with >>>> credit cards? I'm not really worried about organizing cash, but I'm >>>> thinking a regular, run-of-the-mill credit card machine might be a >>>> little tricky...not impossible, mind, but tricky. Have any of you >>>> used any "accessible" credit card machines in already established >>>> restaurants? >>>> Also...if any of you have any tips on how I can best convince my >>>> managers that I really can cook safely, even in a back room industrial >>>> kitchen like Macdonalds, that'd be appreciated. I have no doubt I can >>>> do it; what I don't know how to do, I'll be able to learn. Still, I'm >>>> thinking convincing the people I work with that I'll be safe is >>>> another beast entirely. Thoughts? >>>> Best, >>>> Kirt >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 03:07:39 2012 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:07:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and application mode In-Reply-To: <000d01cdc5f0$7ebed170$7c3c7450$@gmail.com> References: <000d01cdc5f0$7ebed170$7c3c7450$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, I have encountered this problem on several occasions, and the keystroke I have personally used to turn off Application Mode is Insert plus z. I believe that application Mode is designed to enable JAWS users to interact with web pages as they would with regular Windows applications (e.g. dialog boxes with input controls), although to be honest I'm not quite sure what that means exactly. Hope this helps! Katie On 11/18/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Patrick, > > If memory serves me, the keystroke to turn application mode off is > alt control shift a. If this doesn't work, try control a or control shift > a. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Molloy > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and application mode > > Hey Guys, > I'm using JAWS 12 and every now and then, when I go onto certain webpages, > it says "application mode on." Then JAWS behaves really strangely. Any > ideas > how to turn application mode off? What's the point of application mode > anyway? > Thanks, > Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Tue Nov 20 03:53:30 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:53:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Job Opening for Technology Instructor Criss Cole in Austin Texas Message-ID: > > > > The Criss Cole center in Austin Texas has a job opening for a > > technology instructor. > > > > You can apply and see more about this job at the following web page: > > > > > https://jobshrportal.cpa.texas.gov/ENG/careerPortal/Job_Profile.cfm?szOrderID=215592&szReturnToSearch=1&&szWordsToHighlight=technology > > instructor > > > > Posting Type: Open to All Applicants > > Category: Community and Social Services FLSA Exempt/ > > Non-Exempt: Non-Exempt > > Agency: Dept of Assistive & Rehab Serv Department: Technology > > Job Title: Technology Instructor Posting Number: 215592 > > Full Time/Part Time : Full Time Regular/Temporary: Regular > > Job Location: 4800 N LAMAR BLVD STE 330 City: AUSTIN > > Contact: AccessHR Service Center Telephone: 888-894-4747 > > Salary Range: $2,644.08 - $4,098.33 Salary Group: B15 > > Shift: Travel: 5% > > Closing Date: 11/29/2012 > > Job Description: > > Technology Instructor III is hired by and reports to the Technology > > Supervisor and performs highly complex (senior-level) rehabilitation > > planning and instructional work. The Technology Instructor III > > participates in the daily operations and activities of the Technology > > Department and provides leadership in support of the Texas Confidence > > Builder's philosophy and blind training services offered to consumers > > and staff at CCRC. Duties include: evaluating and teaching computer > > and assistive access technology skills to consumers who are blind > > and/or otherwise disabled such as typing or keyboarding, > > word-processing, use of the Microsoft Windows operating system and > > Microsoft Office applications, Internet and email; conducting > > individual as well as group classes; working in conjunction with other > > interdisciplinary team members in evaluating and developing the > > consumer's individual rehabilitation plan. Works under limited > > supervision with considerable latitude for the use of initiative and > > independent judgment. Participates in DBS-required blindfold training. > > Performs related work and other duties as directed > > Essential Job Functions: > > Evaluates and teaches consumers computer and assistive access > > technology skills: Evaluates/teaches touch typing, extended keys > > identification, and word processing; Evaluates/teaches Microsoft > > Windows operating system to include general computer terms, concepts > > and use of peripherals of personal computers; Evaluates/teaches use of > > the Internet and Microsoft Office programs to include Word, Excel, and > > Outlook. (75%) Assists in establishing and monitoring both individual > > and program objectives to ensure provision of continually improving > > quality services to consumers: Reviews and evaluates consumer > > documentation to determine, provide, and coordinate vocational > > rehabilitative services; Develops and implements curriculum, lessons, > > materials and techniques that positively impact the quality of > > evaluation and training services. (15%) Utilizing web-based > > applications, word processing, spreadsheets, email, and database > > software, records and notifies staff of progress with cases and > > submits reports as required; records and reports attendance and > > scheduling information. (10% ) > > Knowledge Skills Abilities: > > Extensive knowledge of adaptive computer access techniques utilized by > > consumers who are blind. Thorough knowledge of the psychological, > > social, vocational and independent living issues faced by people who > > are blind or who have other disabilities and blind/multi-disabled > > persons. Considerable knowledge of report and record maintenance > > principles and practices. Considerable knowledge of instructional > > classroom management principles and practices, including planning, > > organizing, directing, and evaluating. Working knowledge of the adult > > learning theory and teaching techniques as it relates to individuals > > who are blind. Working knowledge of available agencies, facilities, > > vendors, and community resources available to assist people who are > > blind, or who have other disabilities otherwise disable persons. > > Working knowledge of the vocational rehabilitation process. Knowledge > > of medical aspects of visual and secondary disabilities. Skill in > > clearly expressing ideas, instructions, and reports orally and in > > writing. Skill in the use of a personal computer utilizing Microsoft > > Windows and the Microsoft Office Suite of software programs and the > > use of the Internet. Ability to teach keyboarding, use of Windows, use > > of the Internet and word processing to individuals who are blind > > utilizing assistive technologies. Ability to instruct the use of using > > synthesized speech screen readers, screen enhancement/ enlargement > > programs. Ability to adapt training methods and tools to address > > individual consumer vocational and independent living needs. Ability > > to establish and maintain effective working relationships with > > consumers, departmental staff, agency staff, and outside agencies with > > which position interacts. > > Registration or Licensure Requirements: > > > > Initial Selection Criteria: > > Extensive knowledge of adaptive computer access techniques utilized by > > consumers who are blind, to include synthesized speech screen readers. > > Knowledge of screen enhancement/ enlargement programs helpful. > > Knowledge and skills in Microsoft Windows. Knowledge and skills in > > Microsoft Office Suite of Software programs and the use of the > > Internet. One year work experience in adult teaching. Bachelor's > > Degree in Computer Science, Education or related field. > > Additional Information: > > The determination of an applicant's fit for the position will be > > derived through question/answer interview and presentations of two 30 > > minute computer training lessons. In order for the applicant to > > prepare lessons for the two 30 minute presentations, the specific > > subject matter and classroom scenario description will be provided to > > the applicant well in advance of the date scheduled for the interview > > and presentations. Presentations will occur immediately following the > > interview. Must be willing and able to participate in an extended > > blindfold-immersion training program. Must be flexible as working > > hours may vary depending on consumer training needs and may include > > evenings and weekends. This is a career ladder position from > > Technology Instructor I to Technology Instructor III. Salary and > > position level will be based on experience and demonstrated skills. > > Monthly salary range may be offered at a minimum hiring salary of > > $2644.08 to a maximum of $4604.83. For the person to be offered a > > position higher than the entry level, the applicant must meet the > > qualifications established in the career ladder guidelines which are > > 12 months experience as a Technology Instructor I, competent or higher > > overall rating on the employee's most recent annual evaluation, no > > disciplinary actions within the last 12 months or 24 months experience > > as a Technology Instructor II competent or higher overall rating on > > the employee's most recent annual evaluation no disciplinary actions > > within the last 12 months. In compliance with the Americans with > > Disabilities Act (ADA), HHS agencies will provide reasonable > > accommodation during the hiring and selection process for qualified > > individuals with a disability. If you need assistance completing the > > on-line application, contact the AccessHR service center at > > 1-888-894-4747. If you are contacted for an interview and need > > accommodation to participate in the interview process, please notify > > the person scheduling the interview. Req #215592 From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 05:21:40 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:21:40 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] The Nabs Membership Call: Music for Non-Music Majors. Message-ID: Do you plan to study music in college? Or perhaps you want to sing in your college choir or play in the marching band. Maybe you want to learn a musical instrument but don't know how to get started taking lessons at your university. If you're wondering about studying any kind of music as a blind student, then you should join the National Association of Blind Students and the Performing Arts Division On Sunday November 25th at 7 p.m. ET, in a call all about music in college. We will hear from Julie McGinnity, NABS member and PAD Secretary, as she gives some advice to those who might want some pointers on how to get more involved in musical pursuits. Call (530) 881-1212 Code: 757 809 541 The Nabs Membership Committee From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu Tue Nov 20 07:38:03 2012 From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:38:03 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Website Accessibility Survey In-Reply-To: <6085F4FD0BE3674B9973EFFA04A73FF63604864F@SN2PRD0102MB143.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <6085F4FD0BE3674B9973EFFA04A73FF63602B4F6@SN2PRD0102MB143.prod.exchangelabs.com>, <6CE049279B97194491C46E008D88924327D89789@CH1PRD0510MB355.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>, <6085F4FD0BE3674B9973EFFA04A73FF63602B5C1@SN2PRD0102MB143.prod.exchangelabs.com>, <6CE049279B97194491C46E008D88924327D96B1C@CH1PRD0510MB355.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>, <6085F4FD0BE3674B9973EFFA04A73FF63604861A@SN2PRD0102MB143.prod.exchangelabs.com>, <6CE049279B97194491C46E008D88924331FE5CDD@CH1PRD0510MB355.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>, <6CE049279B97194491C46E008D88924331FE5CE8@CH1PRD0510MB355.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>, <6085F4FD0BE3674B9973EFFA04A73FF63604864F@SN2PRD0102MB143.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <6CE049279B97194491C46E008D88924331FE5D46@CH1PRD0510MB355.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Hello, I am a student at East Carolina University in the Computer Science department. I am asking you to take part in my research study entitled, “Web Accessibility of Visually Impaired Computer Users”. The purpose of this research is to determine if the difficulties that visually impaired computer users encounter in accessing websites and online information affects their online behavior. By doing this research, I hope to learn if a difference exists between the online behavior of visually impaired computer users versus sighted individuals using current technologies. You are being invited to take part in this research because you are either a visually impaired or sighted computer user. The survey does not collect any information that can identify you and your participation is voluntary, which means that you do not have to participate in this research unless you want to. The 33 question survey will take approximately 15 minutes and we are seeking approximately 100 individuals to participate. If you would like to participate the survey can be found online here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JPYHSSC Thank you and I have listed my direct contact information below for those who have questions, Julian L. Brinkley Email: brinkleyju11 at students.ecu.edu Phone: (336) 307 - 0413 East Carolina University Computer Science Department From brlsurfer at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 19:36:51 2012 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:36:51 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] emailing on the iphone 5 Message-ID: <50abdbf5.e6bd3a0a.54db.28dd@mx.google.com> Hi, I'm using my braille-note to send this message, but I had a question about e-mailing on the iphone. Whenever I send an e-mail on my phone it says "sent from my I-Phereone." Is there a way to get rid of the "Sent from my IPhereo" message? It's so annoying and I don't know why it's necessary. Thanks, Vejas From zdreicer at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 19:46:00 2012 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Griego-Dreicer, Zachary n) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:46:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] emailing on the iphone 5 In-Reply-To: <50abdbf5.e6bd3a0a.54db.28dd@mx.google.com> References: <50abdbf5.e6bd3a0a.54db.28dd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Yes, in settings, mail, contacts and calendars there's a way to get rid of the signature. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2012, at 12:36 PM, vejas wrote: > > Hi, > I'm using my braille-note to send this message, but I had a question about e-mailing on the iphone. Whenever I send an e-mail on my phone it says "sent from my I-Phereone." Is there a way to get rid of the "Sent from my IPhereo" message? It's so annoying and I don't know why it's necessary. > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 20:32:29 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:32:29 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] emailing on the iphone 5 In-Reply-To: References: <50abdbf5.e6bd3a0a.54db.28dd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: There is also a way to make your signature unique for each email address you have connected to your phone, and you can also edit your signature(s). So you can have a signature without it saying "Sent from my iPhone." I know that it's a marketing technique, but for my personal email, I leave it there with my signature, because I think that it indirectly tells people that I am emailing on the go and that it might not be the most comprehensive/edited reply. Cindy On 11/20/12, Griego-Dreicer, Zachary n wrote: > Yes, in settings, mail, contacts and calendars there's a way to get rid of > the signature. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 12:36 PM, vejas wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> I'm using my braille-note to send this message, but I had a question about >> e-mailing on the iphone. Whenever I send an e-mail on my phone it says >> "sent from my I-Phereone." Is there a way to get rid of the "Sent from my >> IPhereo" message? It's so annoying and I don't know why it's necessary. >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Tue Nov 20 22:31:14 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:31:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] emailing on the iphone 5 In-Reply-To: <50abdbf5.e6bd3a0a.54db.28dd@mx.google.com> References: <50abdbf5.e6bd3a0a.54db.28dd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <50AC04B2.1080000@visi.com> It is the default "signature." I think it is under settings, mail contacts and calendar, signatures. On 11/20/2012 1:36 PM, vejas wrote: > > Hi, > I'm using my braille-note to send this message, but I had a question > about e-mailing on the iphone. Whenever I send an e-mail on my phone > it says "sent from my I-Phereone." Is there a way to get rid of the > "Sent from my IPhereo" message? It's so annoying and I don't know why > it's necessary. > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > -- Follow me on Twitter @dandrews920 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 23:53:13 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:53:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] emailing on the iphone 5 In-Reply-To: <50AC04B2.1080000@visi.com> References: <50abdbf5.e6bd3a0a.54db.28dd@mx.google.com> <50AC04B2.1080000@visi.com> Message-ID: <1897762448170151597@unknownmsgid> That's correct, you would just go into signatures and hold down the delete button until you have deleted your entire signature. Hope this helps! Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:36 PM, David Andrews wrote: > It is the default "signature." I think it is under settings, mail contacts and calendar, signatures. > > > On 11/20/2012 1:36 PM, vejas wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I'm using my braille-note to send this message, but I had a question about e-mailing on the iphone. Whenever I send an e-mail on my phone it says "sent from my I-Phereone." Is there a way to get rid of the "Sent from my IPhereo" message? It's so annoying and I don't know why it's necessary. >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com >> > > -- > Follow me on Twitter @dandrews920 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 05:03:34 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:03:34 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] selecting multiple cell ranges in excel Message-ID: <004d01cdc7a5$900a7c70$b01f7550$@gmail.com> Hello, Quick question. Does anyone know how to select multiple cell ranges in Microsoft Excel 2010 using JAWS? For example, I want to select the range a5 through A15, and then at the same time, I want to select range N5 through N15, without selecting the other cells. Is there a way, if any, to do this with JAWS or NVDA? I need this for an assignment I am doing in my IT class. The assignment specifically instructs me to do that. Thanks for any help. Cheers, Humberto From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 21 16:55:21 2012 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:55:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NASA Summer 2013 Recruitment Letter for Student Interns with Disabilities Attached: Please Distribute Far and Wide! 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If you need to cut and paste them somewhere else, you could cut and paste one range at a time. Arielle On 11/20/12, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > > > > Quick question. Does anyone know how to select multiple cell ranges in > Microsoft Excel 2010 using JAWS? For example, I want to select the range a5 > through A15, and then at the same time, I want to select range N5 through > N15, without selecting the other cells. > > Is there a way, if any, to do this with JAWS or NVDA? I need this for an > assignment I am doing in my IT class. The assignment specifically instructs > me to do that. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > Cheers, > > Humberto > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Nov 22 00:44:19 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:44:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] thanksgiving Message-ID: <1D9CA4E5BC1A42919D9F3D49AA9FA3D8@OwnerPC> Hi all, Hope you all have friends or family to spend tomorrow with. I’m spending it with my immediate family and my brother’s wife. We’ve got our lovely honey baked ham here but we will eat our main meal at my grandmothers. She’s in assisted living so its easy for us to spend time with her at her place. Happy thanksgiving. Ashley From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Thu Nov 22 01:16:56 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 01:16:56 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] thanksgiving In-Reply-To: <1D9CA4E5BC1A42919D9F3D49AA9FA3D8@OwnerPC> References: <1D9CA4E5BC1A42919D9F3D49AA9FA3D8@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley. I don't have anyone to celebrate with except for my mom, step-dad, and brother, but we're celebrating nonetheless. Happy Thanksgiving to you, and don't miss the parade on TV! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] thanksgiving Hi all, Hope you all have friends or family to spend tomorrow with. I’m spending it with my immediate family and my brother’s wife. We’ve got our lovely honey baked ham here but we will eat our main meal at my grandmothers. She’s in assisted living so its easy for us to spend time with her at her place. Happy thanksgiving. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 03:22:00 2012 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:22:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] E-Mail Restored To My Control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <827DB48C-1359-4857-954A-991517D40CB9@gmail.com> Joshua: That's just google's bad way of managing audio captchas. As for two-step verification, I just was able to set this up on my iPhone entirely independently. Perhaps it's different on a computer, that I'm not sure of. Finally I know this is an old thread, I just remembered it and thought I'd post on my success so that it may help others in this same situation. Thanks, Josh G Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2012, at 5:09 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, Courtney. > I'm glad you finally got your E-mail working propperly again. > I have a question for you though. > Why do I have such a problem getting the audio captcha to play with GMail? > I'm trying to set up a new address, since I'm graduating from college in May. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Courtney Stover [liamskitten at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] E-Mail Restored To My Control > > Hi all: > > Thanks so very much for letting me know that my E-mail had been hacked. > > Fortunately, I was able to access the account, and change the > passwords/etc. etc. > > I have a tip for GMail users among you. This applies equally for > sighted and blind; for the totally blind, you will require help > setting this up, but not using it on a daily basis. > > There is a feature within Google Accounts called Two Step > Verification. What this essentially does is give you a new > verification code, iether by voice call or text message each time you > sign in. Without knowing your phone number, a hacker is unable to > bypass this second step and enter the account. It is cumbersome, but > it seems imminently more secure. > > I only learned about this in researching prevenative methods today so > something like this wouldn't happen again, and thought I would share. > Again, thanks so much for all your messages and offers of help. > Warmly, > Courtney > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 15:02:56 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:02:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Thanksgiving Message-ID: <50ae3ea5.2569650a.4f49.112f@mx.google.com> Hi this is Roanna Bacchus wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving. May this be a day filled with lots of food fun and time spent with loved ones. From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 15:50:56 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:50:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] thanksgiving References: <1D9CA4E5BC1A42919D9F3D49AA9FA3D8@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Happy Thanksgiving to all ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:44 PM Subject: [nabs-l] thanksgiving > Hi all, > Hope you all have friends or family to spend tomorrow with. I’m spending > it with my immediate family and my brother’s wife. > We’ve got our lovely honey baked ham here but we will eat our main meal at > my grandmothers. She’s in assisted living so its easy for us to spend time > with her at her place. > Happy thanksgiving. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > From zdreicer at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 16:05:32 2012 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Griego-Dreicer, Zachary n) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:05:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Thanksgiving In-Reply-To: <50ae3ea5.2569650a.4f49.112f@mx.google.com> References: <50ae3ea5.2569650a.4f49.112f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <280620F4-335C-440F-87D5-A7A2E35DB4A5@gmail.com> Happy Thanksgiving to you too! I will. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hi this is Roanna Bacchus wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving. May this be a day filled with lots of food fun and time spent with loved ones. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Nov 22 20:20:20 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:20:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] thanksgiving In-Reply-To: References: <1D9CA4E5BC1A42919D9F3D49AA9FA3D8@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4D1C5EC4190D44CE82F04274716C5D7F@OwnerPC> -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:50 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] thanksgiving Happy Thanksgiving to all ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:44 PM Subject: [nabs-l] thanksgiving > Hi all, > Hope you all have friends or family to spend tomorrow with. I’m spending > it with my immediate family and my brother’s wife. > We’ve got our lovely honey baked ham here but we will eat our main meal at > my grandmothers. She’s in assisted living so its easy for us to spend time > with her at her place. > Happy thanksgiving. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net same to you. Eat lots of turkey. From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 20:32:07 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:32:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] thanksgiving In-Reply-To: <4D1C5EC4190D44CE82F04274716C5D7F@OwnerPC> References: <1D9CA4E5BC1A42919D9F3D49AA9FA3D8@OwnerPC> <4D1C5EC4190D44CE82F04274716C5D7F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: happy thanks giving to everone Sent from my iPad On Nov 22, 2012, at 15:20, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:50 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] thanksgiving > > Happy Thanksgiving to all > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:44 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] thanksgiving > > >> Hi all, >> Hope you all have friends or family to spend tomorrow with. I’m spending it with my immediate family and my brother’s wife. >> We’ve got our lovely honey baked ham here but we will eat our main meal at my grandmothers. She’s in assisted living so its easy for us to spend time with her at her place. >> Happy thanksgiving. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > same to you. Eat lots of turkey. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 20:31:48 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:31:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] thanksgiving Message-ID: <50ae8bc1.c6be320a.179b.737c@mx.google.com> Happy=20Turkey=20Day=20to=20all=20the=20people=20out=20there,=20and=20don't= =20forget=20to=20 eat=20lots=20of=20it. Beth =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Lavonya=20Gardner=20=20wrote: =20-----Original=20Message-----=20From:=20Gloria=20G =20Sent:=20Thursday,=20November=2022,=202012=2010:50=20AM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20thanksgiving =20Happy=20Thanksgiving=20to=20all =20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 References: <50ae8bc1.c6be320a.179b.737c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: i would do an audio of our gathering if i new how. Sent from my iPad On Nov 22, 2012, at 15:31, Beth wrote: > Happy Turkey Day to all the people out there, and don't forget to eat lots of it. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lavonya Gardner To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:32:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] thanksgiving > > happy thanks giving to everone > > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 15:20, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:50 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] thanksgiving > > Happy Thanksgiving to all > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:44 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] thanksgiving > > > Hi all, > Hope you all have friends or family to spend tomorrow with. I€™m spending it with my immediate family and my brother€™s wife. > We€™ve got our lovely honey baked ham here but we will eat our main meal at my grandmothers. She€™s in assisted living so its easy for us to spend time with her at her place. > Happy thanksgiving. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > same to you. Eat lots of turkey. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416 > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Nov 23 02:14:01 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:14:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Happy Thanksgiving In-Reply-To: <50ae3ea4.2569650a.4f49.112a@mx.google.com> References: <50ae3ea4.2569650a.4f49.112a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-36258350944924197@unknownmsgid> Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Hope you all had a good Thanksgiving with family and friends and you were able to eat a lot of delicious food! :-) Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hi this is Roanna Bacchus wishing you and your families a Happy Thanksgiving. May this be a day filled with fun food and time spent with loved ones. > > _______________________________________________ > blindtlk mailing list > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Nov 23 15:33:09 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:33:09 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about mac Message-ID: <50af9739.0e5b650a.47df.0137@mx.google.com> Dear List, I hope all of you had a very happy Thanksgiving with family and friends. I'm writing to ask you a question about the Macbook Pro laptop I recently got. I've heard that the track[ad commander can be turned on, and that with it, you can use VoiceOver gestures like those used on the iPhone to navigate the Mac. I can't figure out how to turn the trackpad commander on. Any help would be much appreciated. Best wishes, Sophie From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Fri Nov 23 16:14:47 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:14:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question about mac In-Reply-To: <50af9739.0e5b650a.47df.0137@mx.google.com> References: <50af9739.0e5b650a.47df.0137@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <83FC1800-C53B-47A3-82A8-56FB06A4C564@gmail.com> hi there, In order to do that, press the control and option keys, known as VO. then all you need to do is place the three first fingers of your right hand on the trackpad, leaving the first not moving and making sort of a circle movement with the other two. I hope that made any sense. Mauricio On Nov 23, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Dear List, > > I hope all of you had a very happy Thanksgiving with family and friends. I'm writing to ask you a question about the Macbook Pro laptop I recently got. I've heard that the track[ad commander can be turned on, and that with it, you can use VoiceOver gestures like those used on the iPhone to navigate the Mac. I can't figure out how to turn the trackpad commander on. Any help would be much appreciated. > > Best wishes, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Nov 23 17:22:47 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:22:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Accessible Emergency Information, and Apparatus Requirements for Emergency Information and Video Description Message-ID: > >From: AccessInfo [mailto:AccessInfo at fcc.gov] >Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:03 PM >To: Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) >Subject: Accessible Emergency Information, and Apparatus >Requirements for Emergency Information and Video Description > >Comment Deadline: Twenty days after publication in Federal Register > >On November 19, 2012, the FCC's Media Bureau (MB) released a Notice >of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) to implement the provisions of the >Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of >2010 (CVAA). This NPRM proposes to make televised emergency >information more accessible to individuals who are blind or visually >impaired by requiring the use of a secondary audio stream to provide >emergency information aurally that is conveyed visually during >programming other than newscasts. > >The NPRM asks for public comment on how to ensure that television >apparatus are able to make available video description and emergency >information accessible to individuals who are blind or visually >impaired. Further, comment is sought on the proposal to limit the >scope of the new rules to television broadcast stations and MVPDs, >and not to Internet-delivered video programming. > >The proposed revisions to the FCC rules will help fulfill the >purpose of the CVAA to update the communication laws to help ensure >that individuals with disabilities are able to fully utilize >communications services and equipment and to have better access >video programming. > >Links to the NPRM: > >http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-12-142A1.doc >http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-12-142A1.pdf >http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-12-142A1.txt > >For more information, contact the following staff members of the >FCC's Media Bureau: Diana Sokolow, >Diana.Sokolow at fcc.gov, or Maria >Mullarkey, Maria.Mullarkey at fcc.gov, >(202) 418-2120. From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Nov 23 17:24:04 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:24:04 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: The Nabs Membership Call: Music for Non-Music Majors. Message-ID: On behalf of the National Association of Blind Students, we want to wish you and yours a happy thanksgiving, be the first to wish you a happy holiday season and wishyou happy hunting on black Friday! We also hope that you will join us for our next nabs confrence call-- see below... Do you plan to study music in college? Or perhaps you want to sing in your college choir or play in the marching band. Maybe you want to learn a musical instrument but don't know how to get started taking lessons at your university. If you're wondering about studying any kind of music as a blind student, then you should join the National Association of Blind Students and the Performing Arts Division On Sunday November 25th at 7 p.m. ET, in a call all about music in college. We will hear from Julie McGinnity, NABS member and PAD Secretary, as she gives some advice to those who might want some pointers on how to get more involved in musical pursuits. Call (530) 881-1212 Code: 757 809 541 The Nabs Membership Committee -- Darian Smith Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities http://www.nfb.org/fairwages “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” From coasterfreak88 at me.com Fri Nov 23 18:11:37 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:11:37 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about mac In-Reply-To: <50af9739.0e5b650a.47df.0137@mx.google.com> References: <50af9739.0e5b650a.47df.0137@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <90C8440D-0CA2-47BD-A04B-CEE520829EF4@me.com> Hello Sophie. You need to go into the VoiceOver Utility, go to Commanders, and there should be a check box under there to enable the trackpad commander. If you need any Mac help, email me off-list. I've been using a Mac since 2007. From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Fri Nov 23 21:20:46 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:20:46 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] ] Reminder: The Nabs Membership Call: Music for Non-MusicMajors. Message-ID: <376606ABC12947E48D3F3A384D0E81E6@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, I'm not sure if this came to this list... But here it is! Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs Do you plan to study music in college? Or perhaps you want to sing in your college choir or play in the marching band. Maybe you want to learn a musical instrument but don't know how to get started taking lessons at your university. If you're wondering about studying any kind of music as a blind student, then you should join the National Association of Blind Students and the Performing Arts Division On Sunday November 25th at 7 p.m. ET, in a call all about music in college. We will hear from Julie McGinnity, NABS member and PAD Secretary, as she gives some advice to those who might want some pointers on how to get more involved in musical pursuits. Call (530) 881-1212 Code: 757 809 541 The Nabs Membership Committee -- Darian Smith Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities http://www.nfb.org/fairwages “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” _______________________________________________ Cabs-talk mailing list Cabs-talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/cabs-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Cabs-talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/cabs-talk_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Nov 23 22:05:26 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:05:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about mac Message-ID: <50aff32c.113a650a.38a4.69ad@mx.google.com> Where is the VoiceOver utility menu? ----- Original Message ----- From: John Moore References: <50aff32c.113a650a.38a4.69ad@mx.google.com> Message-ID: there's an utility like that under your utilities folder. mauricio On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Where is the VoiceOver utility menu? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Moore To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:11:37 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about mac > > Hello Sophie. You need to go into the VoiceOver Utility, go to Commanders, and there should be a check box under there to enable the trackpad commander. If you need any Mac help, email me off-list. I've been using a Mac since 2007. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Nov 23 23:01:25 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:01:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about mac Message-ID: <50b0004a.074cec0a.1927.7011@mx.google.com> At the risk of sounding incredibly stupid (I just got my mac for my sixteenth birthday very, very recently), where is the utilities folder? Please don't hate me for asking so many dang questions. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mauricio Almeida wrote: Where is the VoiceOver utility menu? ----- Original Message ----- From: John Moore References: <50b0004a.074cec0a.1927.7011@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Sophie, Assuming your Mac is running a current version of the Mac OS and that VoiceOver is already running and speaking to you, you can open the VoiceOver Utility by pressing the Control key, the Option key, and the Function 8 key together. This is generally referred to as "VO+F8." "VO" is shorthand for the VoiceOver modifier key combination of Control+Option. I would strongly recommend using the VoiceOver Help resources built into every recent version of the Mac OS. Links to these resources can be accessed at any time by pressing VO+H.. This will pop up a menu of VoiceOver help resources, and you can press the up and down arroe keys to select a choice and press Return (aka Enter) to activate your choice. I'd recommend starting with the following two guides available from that menu: 1. Take the interactive quick start tutorial built into every recent version of Mac OS. You can activate this tutorial through the VO+H menu or by pressing VO+Command+F8 at any time. 2. Read the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide, which is available from the VO+H menu or at the following link: http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html Once you are ready to move beyond those basic lessons, you can find many, many resources on the web to help you learn more about VoiceOver on the Mac. There are a bunch of websites, podcasts and mailing lists dedicated to Apple accessibility tools. Google is your friend here. HTH, Bryan On Nov 23, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > At the risk of sounding incredibly stupid (I just got my mac for my sixteenth birthday very, very recently), where is the utilities folder? Please don't hate me for asking so many dang questions. :) From coasterfreak88 at me.com Sat Nov 24 02:34:41 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 20:34:41 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about mac In-Reply-To: <50b0004a.074cec0a.1927.7011@mx.google.com> References: <50b0004a.074cec0a.1927.7011@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I don't. I see I don't need to answer this but I will just reinforce it. Just hit VO+Shift+F8. The VO keys are Command and Option. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 03:19:36 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:19:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question about mac In-Reply-To: <50b0004a.074cec0a.1927.7011@mx.google.com> References: <50b0004a.074cec0a.1927.7011@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <009c01cdc9f2$89027280$9b075780$@gmail.com> Hi Sophie, FYI, there is a list for blind Mac users. The address to subscribe is accessible-mac+subscribe at googlegroups.com. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 6:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about mac At the risk of sounding incredibly stupid (I just got my mac for my sixteenth birthday very, very recently), where is the utilities folder? Please don't hate me for asking so many dang questions. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mauricio Almeida wrote: Where is the VoiceOver utility menu? ----- Original Message ----- From: John Moore References: <50b0004a.074cec0a.1927.7011@mx.google.com> <009c01cdc9f2$89027280$9b075780$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <63983B91-BC42-4D5F-83D0-3AAD38ACD148@me.com> There is also MacVisionaries if it is still around. From tim.johnson81 at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 03:37:29 2012 From: tim.johnson81 at gmail.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:37:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Thanksgiving Message-ID: To all those in the us, I hope everyone had a wonderful holiday yesterday and counted all of their blessings no matter how large or small. I know I had a great time surrounded by family in a wonderful place and I'm beyond thankful for my life. To top it off, the Beginners guide to Echolocation has gotten many great reviews this week and I'm thankful for all the support I've received. Goodnight all, Tim Http://www.HumanEcholocation.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 03:51:24 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:51:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question about mac In-Reply-To: <63983B91-BC42-4D5F-83D0-3AAD38ACD148@me.com> References: <50b0004a.074cec0a.1927.7011@mx.google.com> <009c01cdc9f2$89027280$9b075780$@gmail.com> <63983B91-BC42-4D5F-83D0-3AAD38ACD148@me.com> Message-ID: <009e01cdc9f6$fa307570$ee916050$@gmail.com> Hi John, Yes, that list is still around. I happen to know the moderator of AccessibleMac, so I know it's a good list. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John Moore Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about mac There is also MacVisionaries if it is still around. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com Sat Nov 24 17:59:07 2012 From: djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com (djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:59:07 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Coverage Of The Nabs Music Call And A Special Nabs On Deck To Kick It Off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31cc347fd3c268ba455f6f50364472a0.squirrel@webmail.audioaccessfm.com> Hi Everyone! I'm excited to announce that I'll be providing live streaming coverage of the Nabs music call this Sunday November 25 2012 exclusively on Audio Access FM. There will be a special Nabs On Deck to prep you for the call beforehand. Nabs On Deck is a special thing I air exclusively on Audio Access FM when I want to air something related to the call that I think people will find interesting/unique. During elections two years ago, I interviewed the prior nabs president before the call about elections when the candidates for the various positions had an opportunity to speak to you on that special call before the 2011 Orlando convention. This time, since this is about people making music/studying music in college, our Nabs On Deck will take a look at various college A Cappella groups and a few of my favorite remakes of hit songs by them. If you as a student are planning to attend or already attend one of the colleges represented in this brief look, maybe one of these groups will peak your interest, especially if you love music or want to do some vocal performing like our very talented Julie who will be speaking on the call. In either case, Nabs On Deck will start promptly at 6:30PM eastern, with the call to begin at 7 PM eastern. Details on the call are below: Do you plan to study music in college? Or perhaps you want to sing in your college choir or play in the marching band. Maybe you want to learn a musical instrument but don't know how to get started taking lessons at your university. If you're wondering about studying any kind of music as a blind student, then you should join the National Association of Blind Students and the Performing Arts Division On Sunday November 25th at 7 p.m. ET, in a call all about music in college. We will hear from Julie McGinnity, NABS member and PAD Secretary, as she gives some advice to those who might want some pointers on how to get more involved in musical pursuits. Call (530) 881-1212 Code: 757 809 541 and listen in at http://www.audioaccessfm.com/broadband.php where you can pick from various listening options for tuning in. An archive of this call will be made available on Monday November 26 for those who can't make it. Hope to see you all there for Nabs On Deck and this exciting Nabs presentation. And on that note...... I'll end this message. See you Sunday! From tim.johnson81 at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 13:37:42 2012 From: tim.johnson81 at gmail.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 08:37:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What is echolocation? Message-ID: Echolocation is the ability to “SEE” objects using sound instead of sight. Echolocation is a fundamentally simple skill that many blind people use daily to navigate and understand their environment. This skill is sometimes misunderstood, but it’s far more realistic and much easier than you may think. A new book, the first of its kind, has recently been published to help the blind community become more familiar with this mode of perception and to help people understand this very intriguing skill. There is often a lot of hesitation within the blind community to open up to attempting echolocation, but the author demystifies the growing practice of active echolocation in a way that anyone can understand, and gives the reader simple exercises, examples, and lessons as a starting point for launching you into a successful practice of active echolocation. The Beginner's Guide to Echolocation for the Blind and Visually Impaired is now available in large print paperback, accessible ms word edition and audiobook. Here's a little bit about how it works: Sound waves – like ripples in a pond – reflect differently off of all objects and surfaces. This makes it possible for the trained ear to distinguish shape, size, distance and material of our surroundings. Musicians will tell you that “reverb” causes each room or surface to have its own unique sound response. With sensitization and applied practice of this skill, it’s possible for people with visual impairments all over the world to become increasingly independent, supplementing their existing forms of orientation and mobility with the intrinsic awareness that echolocation can provide. Echolocation requires no special equipment nor any special talent. The human body and mind are truly marvels of nature that grant us with capabilities you may never know you had. If you can hear, you can echolocate. Understanding the simplicity of this skill will allow you to shift your way of thinking to accommodate an expanded awareness of your environment. With this awareness comes independence, confidence, new possibilities and new opportunities. Read some reviews to hear what other blind people are saying about this new book: http://www.humanecholocation.com/review-from-in-the-center-of-the-roof/ Paperback edition: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1478371080/ Accessible edition: http://www.humanecholocation.com/echolocation-guide-msword-format/ Audiobook edition: http://www.humanecholocation.com/audiobook/ Please let me know if you have any questions about the book. I would be happy to speak with any of you one-on-one about your hesitations about learning echolocation. Thank you, Tim Johnson www.HumanEcholocation.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sun Nov 25 13:42:11 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:42:11 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] What is echolocation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've heard of you, or someone at least advertising something like this in an interview on a major news network. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Tim Johnson [tim.johnson81 at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:37 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] What is echolocation? Echolocation is the ability to “SEE” objects using sound instead of sight. Echolocation is a fundamentally simple skill that many blind people use daily to navigate and understand their environment. This skill is sometimes misunderstood, but it’s far more realistic and much easier than you may think. A new book, the first of its kind, has recently been published to help the blind community become more familiar with this mode of perception and to help people understand this very intriguing skill. There is often a lot of hesitation within the blind community to open up to attempting echolocation, but the author demystifies the growing practice of active echolocation in a way that anyone can understand, and gives the reader simple exercises, examples, and lessons as a starting point for launching you into a successful practice of active echolocation. The Beginner's Guide to Echolocation for the Blind and Visually Impaired is now available in large print paperback, accessible ms word edition and audiobook. Here's a little bit about how it works: Sound waves – like ripples in a pond – reflect differently off of all objects and surfaces. This makes it possible for the trained ear to distinguish shape, size, distance and material of our surroundings. Musicians will tell you that “reverb” causes each room or surface to have its own unique sound response. With sensitization and applied practice of this skill, it’s possible for people with visual impairments all over the world to become increasingly independent, supplementing their existing forms of orientation and mobility with the intrinsic awareness that echolocation can provide. Echolocation requires no special equipment nor any special talent. The human body and mind are truly marvels of nature that grant us with capabilities you may never know you had. If you can hear, you can echolocate. Understanding the simplicity of this skill will allow you to shift your way of thinking to accommodate an expanded awareness of your environment. With this awareness comes independence, confidence, new possibilities and new opportunities. Read some reviews to hear what other blind people are saying about this new book: http://www.humanecholocation.com/review-from-in-the-center-of-the-roof/ Paperback edition: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1478371080/ Accessible edition: http://www.humanecholocation.com/echolocation-guide-msword-format/ Audiobook edition: http://www.humanecholocation.com/audiobook/ Please let me know if you have any questions about the book. I would be happy to speak with any of you one-on-one about your hesitations about learning echolocation. Thank you, Tim Johnson www.HumanEcholocation.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From dandrews at visi.com Sun Nov 25 17:23:45 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:23:45 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Meteorology Question Message-ID: I have been sent the following question. Please respond to Jeanne Anderson JScheira at aol.com directly as she is not subscribed to this list. Hello, >> I currently have a student in high school who has future plans of going into Meteorology. He is a bright young man and has a strong passion for weather. He has minimal usable vision therefore is unable to read visual information such as radar. He uses Braille and assistive technology very well. >> >> Is there any technology that anyone is familiar with for reading radar for individuals who are visually impaired? >> >> Thank you in advance for any input! >> >> Jeanne Anderson Jeanne Anderson JScheira at aol.com From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Sun Nov 25 17:50:19 2012 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:50:19 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Contact for Clearwater Florida Chapter Message-ID: <002e01cdcb35$56962c80$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good morning everyone, We need to contact the president of the Clearwater Chapter of the NFB of Florida. If someone could send us contact information for this person it would be very much appreciated. I checked: http://www.nfbflorida.org for this information but did not see a listing for this chapter. I know that the NFBF Web Site has not been updated in a while. Assuming it still exists if someone in Florida could help us connect with the Clearwater Chapter President that will be very much appreciated. All the best. Peter Donahue “No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper.” Isaiah 54:17 “While for our princes they prepare In caverns deep a burning snare, He shot from heaven a piercing ray, And the dark treachery brought to day.” Anonymous From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 23:26:55 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:26:55 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle In-Reply-To: References: <852F7C71ECEF4015B32B73EF8C6CB53A@cory> <8777867445710584698@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Chris, This is also the case for all nfb.net lists, that if you are a member of an nfb.net list serve you automatically get the nfb.net member list messages, so no need to re-post. Correct? On 11/5/12, David Andrews wrote: > The nfbnet-members-list, and nfbnet-master-list > addresses are automatically drawn from existing > lists, so there is no need to forward messages. > > Dave > > At 06:24 AM 11/5/2012, you wrote: >>Dear Chris and all, >> >>My understanding is that individuals would only >>receive e-mails sent to the NFBnet members list >>if they are subscribed to it. Is this incorrect? >>If my thinking is correct, I am operating under >>the assumption that perhaps not all members of >>the NABS-L list are subscribed to the NFBnet >>members list; thus, there would be a need to >>forward the information. If you already receive >>information and/or it doesn't apply to you, keep >>in mind that there is a "delete" key which can be used on all e-mails. >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Cory McMahon >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher >>nusbaum" >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 2:07 PM >>Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: >>Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle >> >> >>Hi Corey, >>FYI, all members of the Nabs list automatically receive emails from >>the NFB net members list, so you don't need to forward emails which >>come through that list to this one. >>Thanks, >>Chris >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:04 AM, "McMahon, Cory J" >> wrote: >> >>>FYI. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: David Andrews >>>To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:16 PM >>>Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle >>> >>> >>>New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle: >>> >>> Oracle offers an optimized and fully >>> integrated stack of business hardware and >>> software systems. With more than 390,000 >>> customers­including 100 of the Fortune 100­ >>> and with deployments across a wide variety of >>> industries in more than 145 countries around >>> the globe, we recognize the significant impact >>> that our products and technologies can have on >>> people with disabilities. And we seek to hire >>> the best and brightest talent to build those >>> products, basing our employment decisions only >>> on merit, experience, and potential. This >>> scholarship for $3000 is for a student in the >>> field of Computer Science, Computer >>> Engineering, User Experience, or related field. >>> >>> >>>Apply at www.nfb.org/scholarships > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities http://www.nfb.org/fairwages “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 23:31:35 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:31:35 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Coverage Of The Nabs Music Call And A Special Nabs On Deck To Kick It Off In-Reply-To: <31cc347fd3c268ba455f6f50364472a0.squirrel@webmail.audioaccessfm.com> References: <31cc347fd3c268ba455f6f50364472a0.squirrel@webmail.audioaccessfm.com> Message-ID: David, Please contact me off-list and prior to this evening's call at dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thank you, Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students On 11/24/12, djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com wrote: > Hi Everyone! > I'm excited to announce that I'll be providing live streaming coverage of > the Nabs music call this Sunday November 25 2012 exclusively on Audio > Access FM. There will be a special Nabs On Deck to prep you for the call > beforehand. > Nabs On Deck is a special thing I air exclusively on Audio Access FM when > I want to air something related to the call that I think people will find > interesting/unique. During elections two years ago, I interviewed the > prior nabs president before the call about elections when the candidates > for the various positions had an opportunity to speak to you on that > special call before the 2011 Orlando convention. > This time, since this is about people making music/studying music in > college, our Nabs On Deck will take a look at various college A Cappella > groups and a few of my favorite remakes of hit songs by them. If you as a > student are planning to attend or already attend one of the colleges > represented in this brief look, maybe one of these groups will peak your > interest, especially if you love music or want to do some vocal performing > like our very talented Julie who will be speaking on the call. In either > case, Nabs On Deck will start promptly at 6:30PM eastern, with the call to > begin at 7 PM eastern. Details on the call are below: > Do you plan to study music in college? Or perhaps you want to sing in > your college choir or play in the marching band. Maybe you want to > learn a musical instrument but don't know how to get started taking > lessons at your university. If you're wondering about studying any > kind of music as a blind student, then you should join the National > Association of Blind Students and the Performing Arts Division On > Sunday November 25th at 7 p.m. ET, in a call all about music in > college. > > We will hear from Julie McGinnity, NABS member and PAD Secretary, as > she gives some advice to those who might want some pointers on how to > get more involved in musical pursuits. > Call (530) 881-1212 > Code: 757 809 541 > > > and listen in at > http://www.audioaccessfm.com/broadband.php > where you can pick from various listening options for tuning in. > An archive of this call will be made available on Monday November 26 for > those who can't make it. > Hope to see you all there for Nabs On Deck and this exciting Nabs > presentation. And on that note...... > I'll end this message. See you Sunday! > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities http://www.nfb.org/fairwages “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 23:48:44 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:48:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle In-Reply-To: References: <852F7C71ECEF4015B32B73EF8C6CB53A@cory> <8777867445710584698@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <004101cdcb67$6a33ebb0$3e9bc310$@gmail.com> Hi Darian, I believe this is correct, but Dave Andrews would be able to give a more definitive answer. :) Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle Hi Chris, This is also the case for all nfb.net lists, that if you are a member of an nfb.net list serve you automatically get the nfb.net member list messages, so no need to re-post. Correct? On 11/5/12, David Andrews wrote: > The nfbnet-members-list, and nfbnet-master-list addresses are > automatically drawn from existing lists, so there is no need to > forward messages. > > Dave > > At 06:24 AM 11/5/2012, you wrote: >>Dear Chris and all, >> >>My understanding is that individuals would only receive e-mails sent >>to the NFBnet members list if they are subscribed to it. Is this >>incorrect? >>If my thinking is correct, I am operating under the assumption that >>perhaps not all members of the NABS-L list are subscribed to the >>NFBnet members list; thus, there would be a need to forward the >>information. If you already receive information and/or it doesn't >>apply to you, keep in mind that there is a "delete" key which can be >>used on all e-mails. >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Cory McMahon >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher nusbaum" >> >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 2:07 PM >>Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: >>Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle >> >> >>Hi Corey, >>FYI, all members of the Nabs list automatically receive emails from >>the NFB net members list, so you don't need to forward emails which >>come through that list to this one. >>Thanks, >>Chris >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:04 AM, "McMahon, Cory J" >> wrote: >> >>>FYI. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: David Andrews >>>To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:16 PM >>>Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by >>>Oracle >>> >>> >>>New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle: >>> >>> Oracle offers an optimized and fully integrated stack of business >>> hardware and software systems. With more than 390,000 >>> customers-including 100 of the Fortune 100- and with deployments >>> across a wide variety of industries in more than 145 countries >>> around the globe, we recognize the significant impact that our >>> products and technologies can have on people with disabilities. And >>> we seek to hire the best and brightest talent to build those >>> products, basing our employment decisions only on merit, experience, >>> and potential. This scholarship for $3000 is for a student in the >>> field of Computer Science, Computer Engineering, User Experience, or >>> related field. >>> >>> >>>Apply at www.nfb.org/scholarships > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail. > com > -- Darian Smith Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities http://www.nfb.org/fairwages "We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is made up of our ancestor's Dreams, their stories and hopes. These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment." _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dandrews at visi.com Mon Nov 26 00:04:26 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:04:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle In-Reply-To: <004101cdcb67$6a33ebb0$3e9bc310$@gmail.com> References: <852F7C71ECEF4015B32B73EF8C6CB53A@cory> <8777867445710584698@unknownmsgid> <004101cdcb67$6a33ebb0$3e9bc310$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, this is more correct, you do not need to forward nfbnet-member-list and nfbnet-master-list postings to any nfbnet.org lists. Dave At 05:48 PM 11/25/2012, you wrote: >Hi Darian, > >I believe this is correct, but Dave Andrews would be able to give a more >definitive answer. :) > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:27 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] >New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle > >Hi Chris, > This is also the case for all nfb.net lists, that if you are a member of an >nfb.net list serve you automatically get the nfb.net member list messages, >so no need to re-post. Correct? > >On 11/5/12, David Andrews wrote: > > The nfbnet-members-list, and nfbnet-master-list addresses are > > automatically drawn from existing lists, so there is no need to > > forward messages. > > > > Dave > > > > At 06:24 AM 11/5/2012, you wrote: > >>Dear Chris and all, > >> > >>My understanding is that individuals would only receive e-mails sent > >>to the NFBnet members list if they are subscribed to it. Is this > >>incorrect? > >>If my thinking is correct, I am operating under the assumption that > >>perhaps not all members of the NABS-L list are subscribed to the > >>NFBnet members list; thus, there would be a need to forward the > >>information. If you already receive information and/or it doesn't > >>apply to you, keep in mind that there is a "delete" key which can be > >>used on all e-mails. > >> > >>Sincerely, > >> > >>Cory McMahon > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher nusbaum" > >> > >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > >>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 2:07 PM > >>Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: > >>Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle > >> > >> > >>Hi Corey, > >>FYI, all members of the Nabs list automatically receive emails from > >>the NFB net members list, so you don't need to forward emails which > >>come through that list to this one. > >>Thanks, > >>Chris > >> > >>Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:04 AM, "McMahon, Cory J" > >> wrote: > >> > >>>FYI. > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: David Andrews > >>>To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > >>>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:16 PM > >>>Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by > >>>Oracle > >>> > >>> > >>>New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle: > >>> > >>> Oracle offers an optimized and fully integrated stack of business > >>> hardware and software systems. With more than 390,000 > >>> customers-including 100 of the Fortune 100- and with deployments > >>> across a wide variety of industries in more than 145 countries > >>> around the globe, we recognize the significant impact that our > >>> products and technologies can have on people with disabilities. And > >>> we seek to hire the best and brightest talent to build those > >>> products, basing our employment decisions only on merit, experience, > >>> and potential. This scholarship for $3000 is for a student in the > >>> field of Computer Science, Computer Engineering, User Experience, or > >>> related field. > >>> > >>> > >>>Apply at www.nfb.org/scholarships > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail. > > com > > > > >-- >Darian Smith From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 00:12:24 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 19:12:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle In-Reply-To: References: <852F7C71ECEF4015B32B73EF8C6CB53A@cory> <8777867445710584698@unknownmsgid> <004101cdcb67$6a33ebb0$3e9bc310$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004a01cdcb6a$b6dc5f80$24951e80$@gmail.com> Hi Dave, While we are on the subject, what is the difference between the NFBNet Members list and the NFBNet Master list? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle Yes, this is more correct, you do not need to forward nfbnet-member-list and nfbnet-master-list postings to any nfbnet.org lists. Dave At 05:48 PM 11/25/2012, you wrote: >Hi Darian, > >I believe this is correct, but Dave Andrews would be able to give a >more definitive answer. :) > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian >Smith >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:27 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: >[Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle > >Hi Chris, > This is also the case for all nfb.net lists, that if you are a member >of an nfb.net list serve you automatically get the nfb.net member list >messages, so no need to re-post. Correct? > >On 11/5/12, David Andrews wrote: > > The nfbnet-members-list, and nfbnet-master-list addresses are > > automatically drawn from existing lists, so there is no need to > > forward messages. > > > > Dave > > > > At 06:24 AM 11/5/2012, you wrote: > >>Dear Chris and all, > >> > >>My understanding is that individuals would only receive e-mails sent > >>to the NFBnet members list if they are subscribed to it. Is this > >>incorrect? > >>If my thinking is correct, I am operating under the assumption that > >>perhaps not all members of the NABS-L list are subscribed to the > >>NFBnet members list; thus, there would be a need to forward the > >>information. If you already receive information and/or it doesn't > >>apply to you, keep in mind that there is a "delete" key which can be > >>used on all e-mails. > >> > >>Sincerely, > >> > >>Cory McMahon > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher nusbaum" > >> > >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > >>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 2:07 PM > >>Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: > >>Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle > >> > >> > >>Hi Corey, > >>FYI, all members of the Nabs list automatically receive emails from > >>the NFB net members list, so you don't need to forward emails which > >>come through that list to this one. > >>Thanks, > >>Chris > >> > >>Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:04 AM, "McMahon, Cory J" > >> wrote: > >> > >>>FYI. > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: David Andrews > >>>To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > >>>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:16 PM > >>>Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by > >>>Oracle > >>> > >>> > >>>New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle: > >>> > >>> Oracle offers an optimized and fully integrated stack of > >>> business hardware and software systems. With more than 390,000 > >>> customers-including 100 of the Fortune 100- and with deployments > >>> across a wide variety of industries in more than 145 countries > >>> around the globe, we recognize the significant impact that our > >>> products and technologies can have on people with disabilities. > >>> And we seek to hire the best and brightest talent to build those > >>> products, basing our employment decisions only on merit, > >>> experience, and potential. This scholarship for $3000 is for a > >>> student in the field of Computer Science, Computer Engineering, > >>> User Experience, or related field. > >>> > >>> > >>>Apply at www.nfb.org/scholarships > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail. > > com > > > > >-- >Darian Smith _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dandrews at visi.com Mon Nov 26 00:39:49 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:39:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle In-Reply-To: <004a01cdcb6a$b6dc5f80$24951e80$@gmail.com> References: <852F7C71ECEF4015B32B73EF8C6CB53A@cory> <8777867445710584698@unknownmsgid> <004101cdcb67$6a33ebb0$3e9bc310$@gmail.com> <004a01cdcb6a$b6dc5f80$24951e80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: The members list is drawn from lists that are most likely to have a predominance of members on them, chapter and state affiliate lists, division lists, etc. The master list includes virtually everybody, there are some lists, like topical lists like gui-talk and dtb-talk that aren't included in members-list. Dave At 06:12 PM 11/25/2012, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >While we are on the subject, what is the difference between the NFBNet >Members list and the NFBNet Master list? > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:04 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] >New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle > >Yes, this is more correct, you do not need to forward >nfbnet-member-list and nfbnet-master-list postings to any nfbnet.org >lists. > >Dave > >At 05:48 PM 11/25/2012, you wrote: > >Hi Darian, > > > >I believe this is correct, but Dave Andrews would be able to give a > >more definitive answer. :) > > > >Chris > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian > >Smith > >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:27 PM > >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: > >[Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle > > > >Hi Chris, > > This is also the case for all nfb.net lists, that if you are a member > >of an nfb.net list serve you automatically get the nfb.net member list > >messages, so no need to re-post. Correct? > > > >On 11/5/12, David Andrews wrote: > > > The nfbnet-members-list, and nfbnet-master-list addresses are > > > automatically drawn from existing lists, so there is no need to > > > forward messages. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > At 06:24 AM 11/5/2012, you wrote: > > >>Dear Chris and all, > > >> > > >>My understanding is that individuals would only receive e-mails sent > > >>to the NFBnet members list if they are subscribed to it. Is this > > >>incorrect? > > >>If my thinking is correct, I am operating under the assumption that > > >>perhaps not all members of the NABS-L list are subscribed to the > > >>NFBnet members list; thus, there would be a need to forward the > > >>information. If you already receive information and/or it doesn't > > >>apply to you, keep in mind that there is a "delete" key which can be > > >>used on all e-mails. > > >> > > >>Sincerely, > > >> > > >>Cory McMahon > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher nusbaum" > > >> > > >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > >> > > >>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 2:07 PM > > >>Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: > > >>Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle > > >> > > >> > > >>Hi Corey, > > >>FYI, all members of the Nabs list automatically receive emails from > > >>the NFB net members list, so you don't need to forward emails which > > >>come through that list to this one. > > >>Thanks, > > >>Chris > > >> > > >>Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >>On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:04 AM, "McMahon, Cory J" > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>>FYI. > > >>> > > >>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>From: David Andrews > > >>>To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > >>>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:16 PM > > >>>Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by > > >>>Oracle > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle: > > >>> > > >>> Oracle offers an optimized and fully integrated stack of > > >>> business hardware and software systems. With more than 390,000 > > >>> customers-including 100 of the Fortune 100- and with deployments > > >>> across a wide variety of industries in more than 145 countries > > >>> around the globe, we recognize the significant impact that our > > >>> products and technologies can have on people with disabilities. > > >>> And we seek to hire the best and brightest talent to build those > > >>> products, basing our employment decisions only on merit, > > >>> experience, and potential. This scholarship for $3000 is for a > > >>> student in the field of Computer Science, Computer Engineering, > > >>> User Experience, or related field. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Apply at www.nfb.org/scholarships > > > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 01:20:57 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:20:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle In-Reply-To: References: <852F7C71ECEF4015B32B73EF8C6CB53A@cory> <8777867445710584698@unknownmsgid> <004101cdcb67$6a33ebb0$3e9bc310$@gmail.com> <004a01cdcb6a$b6dc5f80$24951e80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005a01cdcb74$4a869030$df93b090$@gmail.com> Hi Dave, That makes sense. Thank you. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:40 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle The members list is drawn from lists that are most likely to have a predominance of members on them, chapter and state affiliate lists, division lists, etc. The master list includes virtually everybody, there are some lists, like topical lists like gui-talk and dtb-talk that aren't included in members-list. Dave At 06:12 PM 11/25/2012, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >While we are on the subject, what is the difference between the NFBNet >Members list and the NFBNet Master list? > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David >Andrews >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:04 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: >[Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle > >Yes, this is more correct, you do not need to forward >nfbnet-member-list and nfbnet-master-list postings to any nfbnet.org >lists. > >Dave > >At 05:48 PM 11/25/2012, you wrote: > >Hi Darian, > > > >I believe this is correct, but Dave Andrews would be able to give a > >more definitive answer. :) > > > >Chris > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian > >Smith > >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:27 PM > >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: Fw: > >[Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle > > > >Hi Chris, > > This is also the case for all nfb.net lists, that if you are a > >member of an nfb.net list serve you automatically get the nfb.net > >member list messages, so no need to re-post. Correct? > > > >On 11/5/12, David Andrews wrote: > > > The nfbnet-members-list, and nfbnet-master-list addresses are > > > automatically drawn from existing lists, so there is no need to > > > forward messages. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > At 06:24 AM 11/5/2012, you wrote: > > >>Dear Chris and all, > > >> > > >>My understanding is that individuals would only receive e-mails > > >>sent to the NFBnet members list if they are subscribed to it. Is > > >>this incorrect? > > >>If my thinking is correct, I am operating under the assumption > > >>that perhaps not all members of the NABS-L list are subscribed to > > >>the NFBnet members list; thus, there would be a need to forward > > >>the information. If you already receive information and/or it > > >>doesn't apply to you, keep in mind that there is a "delete" key > > >>which can be used on all e-mails. > > >> > > >>Sincerely, > > >> > > >>Cory McMahon > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher nusbaum" > > >> > > >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > >> > > >>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 2:07 PM > > >>Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Net Members list was Re: > > >>Fw: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered by > > >>Oracle > > >> > > >> > > >>Hi Corey, > > >>FYI, all members of the Nabs list automatically receive emails > > >>from the NFB net members list, so you don't need to forward emails > > >>which come through that list to this one. > > >>Thanks, > > >>Chris > > >> > > >>Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >>On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:04 AM, "McMahon, Cory J" > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>>FYI. > > >>> > > >>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>From: David Andrews > > >>>To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > >>>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:16 PM > > >>>Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] New National Scholarship Offered > > >>>by Oracle > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>New National Scholarship Offered by Oracle: > > >>> > > >>> Oracle offers an optimized and fully integrated stack of > > >>> business hardware and software systems. With more than 390,000 > > >>> customers-including 100 of the Fortune 100- and with deployments > > >>> across a wide variety of industries in more than 145 countries > > >>> around the globe, we recognize the significant impact that our > > >>> products and technologies can have on people with disabilities. > > >>> And we seek to hire the best and brightest talent to build those > > >>> products, basing our employment decisions only on merit, > > >>> experience, and potential. This scholarship for $3000 is for a > > >>> student in the field of Computer Science, Computer Engineering, > > >>> User Experience, or related field. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Apply at www.nfb.org/scholarships > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From tim.johnson81 at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 10:50:00 2012 From: tim.johnson81 at gmail.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 05:50:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What is echolocation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe that was Daniel Kish? I've been working with him and some of his colleagues at World Access for the Blind on this book. He has done a great deal to bring echolocation into the public eye and offers one-on-one training all over the world. Tim On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Joshua Lester < JLester8462 at pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com> wrote: > I've heard of you, or someone at least advertising something like this in > an interview on a major news network. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Tim Johnson [ > tim.johnson81 at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:37 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] What is echolocation? > > Echolocation is the ability to “SEE” objects using sound instead of sight. > > Echolocation is a fundamentally simple skill that many blind people use > daily to navigate and understand their environment. This skill is sometimes > misunderstood, but it’s far more realistic and much easier than you may > think. > > A new book, the first of its kind, has recently been published to help the > blind community become more familiar with this mode of perception and to > help people understand this very intriguing skill. There is often a lot of > hesitation within the blind community to open up to attempting > echolocation, but the author demystifies the growing practice of active > echolocation in a way that anyone can understand, and gives the reader > simple exercises, examples, and lessons as a starting point for launching > you into a successful practice of active echolocation. The Beginner's > Guide to Echolocation for the Blind and Visually Impaired is now available > in large print paperback, accessible ms word edition and audiobook. > > Here's a little bit about how it works: > Sound waves – like ripples in a pond – reflect differently off of all > objects and surfaces. This makes it possible for the trained ear to > distinguish shape, size, distance and material of our surroundings. > Musicians will tell you that “reverb” causes each room or surface to have > its own unique sound response. With sensitization and applied practice of > this skill, it’s possible for people with visual impairments all over the > world to become increasingly independent, supplementing their existing > forms of orientation and mobility with the intrinsic awareness that > echolocation can provide. > > Echolocation requires no special equipment nor any special talent. The > human body and mind are truly marvels of nature that grant us with > capabilities you may never know you had. If you can hear, you can > echolocate. > > Understanding the simplicity of this skill will allow you to shift your way > of thinking to accommodate an expanded awareness of your environment. With > this awareness comes independence, confidence, new possibilities and new > opportunities. > > Read some reviews to hear what other blind people are saying about this new > book: > http://www.humanecholocation.com/review-from-in-the-center-of-the-roof/ > > Paperback edition: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1478371080/ > > Accessible edition: > http://www.humanecholocation.com/echolocation-guide-msword-format/ > > Audiobook edition: > http://www.humanecholocation.com/audiobook/ > > Please let me know if you have any questions about the book. I would be > happy to speak with any of you one-on-one about your hesitations about > learning echolocation. > > Thank you, > Tim Johnson > www.HumanEcholocation.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tim.johnson81%40gmail.com > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 01:01:19 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:01:19 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Electronics-talk] NY website Theft In-Reply-To: <4DA25A2B287746CBA8DE3B0DCB6368BD@acer4d025c48b8> References: <4DA25A2B287746CBA8DE3B0DCB6368BD@acer4d025c48b8> Message-ID: <003a01cdcc3a$b745d930$25d18b90$@gmail.com> -----Original Message----- From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Phillipson Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:18 PM To: Wilber Webb; Romeo EDMEAD; Ray Wayne; Mindy Jacobsen; Mike Robinson; Margo and Arrow; Lucy Marr; Elaine Rink; Ed White; David r. Stayer; Chancey FLEET; carl Jacobsen; Angie Robinson; JULIE PHILLIPSON Subject: [Electronics-talk] NY website Theft Good evening all. Comments on the following are welcome. If any of you have been to our web site, www.nfbny.org in the last day or two you may have noticed a change. That web address now points to an eBay listing showing our domain name for sale. This is certainly not the case. The address www.nfbny.org was donated to us by a member 9 years ago and that former member has now hijacked the address and is attempting to extort money from us for it's continued use. The name "National federation of the blind" and "Nfb" and, "nfbny" are trademarks of our organization and, as such, belongs to us. We are taking whatever steps necessary to secure our web presence. In the interim, our web site may be accessed through the address www.blindnewyorkers.org and www.blindnewyorkers.com. The stealing of our web address name also impacts our ability to use any email boxes ending in @nfbny.org. Any correspondence with the Nfb of New York may be made through Carl Jacobsen's personal email address or through this address, buffnfb at gmail.com. When donating a house or other asset to an organization, what type of person tried to sell the asset years later? We are working to resolve this situation and appreciate your patience. Carl Jacobsen, president, Nfb of ny Mike Robinson, webmaster Julie Phillipson _______________________________________________ Electronics-talk mailing list Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Electronics-talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/electronics-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hum berto2%40gmail.com From djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com Tue Nov 27 04:20:02 2012 From: djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com (The Membership Call Archive Alert Bot) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:20:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [nabs-l] New Nabs Conference Call Is Available For Download Message-ID: <20121127042002.3452A19CD22@praecipua.dreamhost.com> Greetings! This is an automatic notification to let you know that our latest conference call has been uploaded, and is now ready for you to download. Title: The Nabs Membership Call For November 2012 Description: Do you want to join a music group at your college? Maybe you have an interest in taking some music classes. While being in a music ensemble or class can be fun and rewarding, it can be a challenge too! What happens when a piece of music is given to you in class, for an audition or for an exam grade and by using your eyes you're expected to learn the notes in five minutes. What do you as a blind person do? Get some tips on how you can take a music class or join a music program or group and feel that you can handle the experience with confidence. Thanks to the performing arts division for joining forces with Nabs for this call. You can download the show directly at: http://www.nabslinkaudio.org/audio/presentations/NabsNovember2012Call.mp3 Alternatively you can visit the archive page at: http://www.nabslinkaudio.org/audio/presentations to hear some of the other calls we've done. Best regards, David Dunphy And The Nabs Membership Committee http://www.nabslinkaudio.org http://www.nabslink.org From djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com Tue Nov 27 04:20:01 2012 From: djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com (The Membership Call Archive Alert Bot) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:20:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [nabs-l] New Nabs Conference Call Is Available For Download Message-ID: <20121127042001.A2DBC19CD21@praecipua.dreamhost.com> Greetings! This is an automatic notification to let you know that our latest conference call has been uploaded, and is now ready for you to download. Title: Nabs On Deck For The Nabs November 2012 Call Description: For just tthe second time in the history of streaming calls from the Nabs Membership Committee, I put together something to air before the call called Nabs On Deck. Occasionally, I as the person who streams the calls likes to provide something to supplement or add to the call experience by doiing a brief program related to the topic of the call. These pre presentation shows have become known as Nabs On Deck. So before this nabs call for November 2012, I aired a special 30-minute presentation of various ACappella college groups performing various tunes that were at one time on the billboard pop music charts. Since we were talking about taking music classes in college, I thought students hearing other students from various colleges would be an inspirational experience. While many choral ensembles at colleges perform more classical pieces, you'll find many male and female college ACappella groups doing songs like the ones showcased on Nabs On Deck. I sadly wasn't ab le to find music performed by college bands or orchestras or samples of that would have been included too. Please note that these Nabs On Deck presentations will more often than not be of my own creation, and aren't put together by the Nabs membership committee. These pre shows before the calls are my way of trying to add/enhance what the Nabs Membership committee has done in an entertaining yet informative way. That having been said, if anyone reading this is inspired by a future call topic and would like to assist me in presenting something to supplement a call for a particular month, please contact me at daviddunphy at audioaccessfm.com Enjoy this musical intrro to the call. You can download the show directly at: http://www.nabslinkaudio.org/audio/presentations/November2012NabsOnDeck.mp3 Alternatively you can visit the archive page at: http://www.nabslinkaudio.org/audio/presentations to hear some of the other calls we've done. Best regards, David Dunphy And The Nabs Membership Committee http://www.nabslinkaudio.org http://www.nabslink.org From dwebster125 at verizon.net Tue Nov 27 04:39:42 2012 From: dwebster125 at verizon.net (David Webster) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:39:42 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Electronics-talk] NY website Theft In-Reply-To: <003a01cdcc3a$b745d930$25d18b90$@gmail.com> References: <4DA25A2B287746CBA8DE3B0DCB6368BD@acer4d025c48b8> <003a01cdcc3a$b745d930$25d18b90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301cdcc59$38d65a60$aa830f20$@net> Idiot. You wouldn't think that anyone would even take the time to do that. Hope we can get the new York sight back. Good luck with that. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Avila Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:01 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; blindTlk at nfbNet.org; GUI-talk at nfbNet.org; nfbcs at nfbNet.org; nfbWaTlk at nfbNet.org; nfb-talk at nfbNet.org Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Electronics-talk] NY website Theft -----Original Message----- From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Phillipson Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:18 PM To: Wilber Webb; Romeo EDMEAD; Ray Wayne; Mindy Jacobsen; Mike Robinson; Margo and Arrow; Lucy Marr; Elaine Rink; Ed White; David r. Stayer; Chancey FLEET; carl Jacobsen; Angie Robinson; JULIE PHILLIPSON Subject: [Electronics-talk] NY website Theft Good evening all. Comments on the following are welcome. If any of you have been to our web site, www.nfbny.org in the last day or two you may have noticed a change. That web address now points to an eBay listing showing our domain name for sale. This is certainly not the case. The address www.nfbny.org was donated to us by a member 9 years ago and that former member has now hijacked the address and is attempting to extort money from us for it's continued use. The name "National federation of the blind" and "Nfb" and, "nfbny" are trademarks of our organization and, as such, belongs to us. We are taking whatever steps necessary to secure our web presence. In the interim, our web site may be accessed through the address www.blindnewyorkers.org and www.blindnewyorkers.com. The stealing of our web address name also impacts our ability to use any email boxes ending in @nfbny.org. Any correspondence with the Nfb of New York may be made through Carl Jacobsen's personal email address or through this address, buffnfb at gmail.com. When donating a house or other asset to an organization, what type of person tried to sell the asset years later? We are working to resolve this situation and appreciate your patience. Carl Jacobsen, president, Nfb of ny Mike Robinson, webmaster Julie Phillipson _______________________________________________ Electronics-talk mailing list Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Electronics-talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/electronics-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hum berto2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40verizon.ne t From dandrews at visi.com Tue Nov 27 09:47:41 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 03:47:41 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} Thanksgiving's over - time for NBP's Annual Holiday Sale! Message-ID: > >NBP logo > >Order now and save! > >[] > >[] >NBP's Annual Holiday Sale & Gift Ideas! > >Whether you prefer shopping on Black Friday or >Cyber Monday, you'll save time & money all >through December with NBP's annual sale and gift ideas! > > >Order three books from the list below, get the fourth one FREE! >Order two books from this list, get the third one for half-price! >(As always, we apply the discount/free book to >the most expensive book in the bunch.) > >Sale expires December 31, 2012. Order soon - >these books are in very limited supply and we sell out very quickly! > >See the list below, or read descriptions of the >books - and see many, many more gift ideas, >including print/braille magnets and new jewelry >- at: >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/holidaysale.html > >Books included in the sale: > >Snowflake Bentley, $7.99 > >Galileo's Leaning Tower Experiment, $7.95 > >Marvin K. Mooney Will You Please Go Now! $8.99 > >The Pout-Pout Fish, $16.99 > >Behold, No Cavities! A Visit to the Dentist, $5.00 > >Curious George and the Ice Cream Surprise, $5.00 > >A Visitor for Bear, $16.99 > >Chrysanthemum, $6.99 > >Not Norman, $6.99 > >Library Lion, $6.99 > >Lilly's Purple Plastic Purse, $17.99 > >Houndsley and Catina, $5.00 > >Tacky the Penguin, $10.99 > >Harry by the Sea, $6.99 > >Fox in Love, $5.00 > >Fancy Nancy: The Show Must Go On, $5.00 > >What a Bad Dream, $5.00 > >The Story of Ferdinand, $7.99 > >Who Lives in an Alligator Hole?, $5.99 > >These items are NOT part of the sale - but they make great gifts! > >New! >2013 >Dr Seuss Print/Braille >Calendar, >$14.99 >New! >100 >Hungry Ants book with 100 snap cubes, $16.95 >New! >Little >Pookie Plush Doll, $6.95 >New! >Braille >Magnetic Letters, $9.95 >New! >Braille >Measuring Cups and Spoons, $15.00 >Stir >It Up! Recipes and Techniques for Young Blind Cooks, $20.00 >Out-of-Sight >Science Experiments, $20.00 >New! >Wednesday >Morning Quotations, $9.0 > >And don't miss these seasonal favorites: > >The >Borrowed Hanukkah Latkes, $6.99 >It's >a Miracle! A Hannukah Storybook, $6.95 >Just >a Snowy Day, $8.99 >Noah's >Animals (Tactile Set), $28.00 >Favorite >Christmas Carols, $8.00 > >We encourage telephone orders. You can order >online, but you'll need to call or email us for your free book. >Call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. >Or order by mail - send payment to: NBP, 88 St. >Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 >Email: orders at nbp.org > >Order at: >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/holidaysale.html > >****** >To order any books, send payment to: >NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 >Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. >Or order any of our books online at >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html. > >Forward >to a friend > > >NBP logo > > > > > > >Copyright © 2012 National Braille Press, All rights reserved. > >National Braille Press >88 Saint Stephen St >Boston, MA 02115 > >Add >us to your address book > > >www.nbp.org > > > Connect with us! > >Facebook logo > >Twitter logo > > >Linkedin logo > >YouTube logo > > > >Email Marketing Powered by MailChimp > From dandrews at visi.com Tue Nov 27 11:36:09 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 05:36:09 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Early attempt at a UEB table for NFBtrans Message-ID: > >The Braille Authority of Western Australia in cooperation with the >Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative has released a early >trial version of a Unified English Braille table for the NFBtrans >and WinBT braille translating programs. > >Information on this and other UEB resource from the Braille >Authority of Western Australia in cooperation with the Commonwealth >Braille & Talking Book Cooperative can be found at www.cbtbc.org/ueb/ > > >Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media >Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA >PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100 >Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au >Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America) >Email: greg.kearney at guidedogswa.com.au >Email: gkearney at gmail.com > >Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this >right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to >seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and >regardless of frontiers. >Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights From agrima at nbp.org Tue Nov 27 16:15:20 2012 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:15:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Thanksgiving's over - time for NBP's Annual Holiday Sale! Message-ID: <00c001cdccba$663ba260$32b2e720$@org> NBP's Annual Holiday Sale & Gift Ideas! Whether you prefer shopping on Black Friday or Cyber Monday, you'll save time & money through December with NBP's annual sale and gift ideas! Order three books from the list below, get the fourth one FREE! Order two books from this list, get the third one for half-price! (As always, we apply the discount/free book to the most expensive book in the bunch.) Sale expires December 31, 2012. Order soon - these books are in very limited supply and we sell out very quickly! See the list below, or read descriptions of the books - and see many, many more gift ideas, including print/braille magnets and new jewelry - at: http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/holidaysale.html Books included in the sale: Snowflake Bentley, $7.99 Galileo's Leaning Tower Experiment, $7.95 Marvin K. Mooney Will You Please Go Now! $8.99 The Pout-Pout Fish, $16.99 Behold, No Cavities! A Visit to the Dentist, $5.00 Curious George and the Ice Cream Surprise, $5.00 A Visitor for Bear, $16.99 Chrysanthemum, $6.99 Not Norman, $6.99 Library Lion, $6.99 Lilly's Purple Plastic Purse, $17.99 Houndsley and Catina, $5.00 Tacky the Penguin, $10.99 Harry by the Sea, $6.99 Fox in Love, $5.00 Fancy Nancy: The Show Must Go On, $5.00 What a Bad Dream, $5.00 The Story of Ferdinand, $7.99 Who Lives in an Alligator Hole?, $5.99 These items are NOT part of the sale - but they make great gifts! New! 2013 Dr Seuss Print/Braille (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/2013SEUSS.html) Calendar (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/2013SEUSS.html) , $14.99 New! 100 Hungry Ants book with 100 snap cubes (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/ANTS.html) , $16.95 New! Little Pookie Plush Doll (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/POOKIE-DOLL.html) , $6.95 New! Braille Magnetic Letters (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAG-LETTERS.html) , $9.95 New! Braille Measuring Cups and Spoons (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/CUPS-SPOONS.html) , $15.00 Stir It Up! Recipes and Techniques for Young Blind Cooks (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/STIRITUP.html) , $20.00 Out-of-Sight Science Experiments (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/SCIENCEEXP.html) , $20.00 New! Wednesday Morning Quotations (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/QUOTES-WEDS.html) , $9.0 And don't miss these seasonal favorites: The Borrowed Hanukkah Latkes (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/LATKE.html) , $6.99 It's a Miracle! A Hannukah Storybook (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MIRACLE.html) , $6.95 Just a Snowy Day (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/BB-SNOWY.html) , $8.99 Noah's Animals (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/NOAH.html) (Tactile Set), $28.00 Favorite Christmas Carols (http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/XMAS.html) , $8.00 We encourage telephone orders. You can order online, but you'll need to call or email us for your free book. Call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. Or order by mail - send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Email: orders at nbp.org (mailto:orders at nbp.org) Order at: http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/holidaysale.html ****** To order any books, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html. From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Wed Nov 28 01:04:53 2012 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:04:53 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Volunteer Voice, Vol. 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005d01cdcd04$60a98ca0$21fca5e0$@gmail.com> From: Bookshare [mailto:Bookshare at mail.vresp.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:54 PM To: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Subject: Volunteer Voice, Vol. 3 Click to view this email in a browser BKS-cmyk (final from Betsy) The Volunteer Voice In This Newsletter Greetings and Fall Update Meet an Image Description Volunteer Meet Our First Textbook Proofreader New Fall Proofreading Contest Ongoing Projects -Monthly phone chats -Wordpress blog -Mentoring Program Volunteer Profiles In the Sidebar: Last Quarter's Challenge Winners Statistics Thank You Notes New Publisher Partners Previous Challenge Winners Our previous challenge was to add books by Ray Bradbury to the collection. Vivian and Cindy worked together to add "Zen in the Art of Writing" and "Let's All Kill Constance." Thank you to these two hard-working volunteers for increasing the collection! Bookshare Statistics 992 books added to the collection by volunteers this year 36,000+ images described by volunteers this year Over 400 scanners and proofers 118 image describers Thank You Notes I have said it before, and I'll say it again. I really enjoy getting books that others are talking about when others are talking about them. I have had this dream ever since I have gotten into books, which has been over fifty years. Little did I dream it could ever become a reality. On Thanksgiving, I just want to say "thanks" to all my fellow volunteers, and to the staff at Bookshare, for all the work that's been done to make books accessible. As of today there are over 171,000 titles available in the collection. It's fantastic, and I'm truly grateful for everyone who contributes in all ways, great and small, to make this happen. For me, it's better than all the turkey and dressing in the world to have this kind of access to books. smile. Hello [volunteer] friends, I just want to add my thanks to all of you too. This is one of the best groups of people I've ever met. Besides [name omitted for privacy], there are many others who do scans that are great reads, and the people who do the scans are wonderful to work with. I get as much doing the proofreading as any of the members do when they download and read the books. It is a pleasure to work with all of you! New Publishers Random House Mondadori (based in Barcelona, Spain) The College Board (This will give Bookshare world rights to their top-ranked college prep titles (SAT, PSAT, AP tests and others)!) Volume 3 box_top.gif Hello Volunteers! Welcome to the third volume of our quarterly newsletter! As Bookshare continues to grow, we find it more important than ever to keep volunteers informed of changes and improvements as they happen. Your Volunteer Program staff, Alisa Moore, Volunteer Program Manager and Madeleine Linares, Volunteer Coordinator, want to continue to develop ways to communicate with you, and we hope you will help us by providing input and suggestions. Please contact Madeleine directly with credit donation requests or any concerns with Freelists ( madeleinel at benetech.org). We have been very busy this fall! Alisa has continued working with volunteers for the Image Description project and has had a number of very successful "ID Slams" where she works with a group of volunteers who write hundreds of descriptions in an afternoon. We also had a very exciting national ID Slam with a well-known publishing house! We are getting our Wordpress blog up and running, we are in the process of creating a mentoring program, and we have started a new volunteer project in which volunteers proofread textbooks. Meet An Image Description Volunteer! Bookshare volunteer Steven Obenour lives in Jacksonville, FL and he currently supports the Poet image descriptions project with a special focus on Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM) texts. Steven has worked more than 32 years in various technical occupations including manufacturing and process engineering, software development, and the robotics industry. Technical writing is always a big part of his work responsibilities. Steven continues to work in temporary and contract employment positions. He says the volunteer opportunities with Bookshare improve his creativity and writing skills. He enjoys setting daily goals and targets for completion of image descriptions and finds that even a small or modest daily effort can result in significant accomplishments over time. His stepfather was blind and his nephew had dyslexia and they were on his mind when running a project search at volunteermatch.org. He input the words "blind, disabled, and computer" and the volunteermatch.org output listed Benetech and Bookshare on the first search effort. Bookshare then answered his email offering the Poet project as a possible best fit volunteer opportunity. Meet a Textbook Proofreader! We are in the very early stages of a new volunteer program in which volunteers proofread textbooks that we have scanned. I am pleased to introduce Ellen N. as our guinea pig! Meet Ellen: I used to work as a molecular biologist, and while I still love science I realized I wanted to do work that involved more writing. Looking for a way to gain some experience in writing or editing, and wanting to continue using my scientific skills, I went looking for volunteer opportunities in my area. I wanted something that was local, since I prefer to bike commute, and a few Google searches later I found Benetech. I love reading and I wanted to use my knowledge of science to help others learn, so I offered to help with proofing textbooks. I am currently doing my first proofing of a biology textbook. I'm still getting the hang of image descriptions but I enjoy the work. Ongoing Projects Monthly Phone Chats We're holding monthly phone conversations where volunteers can bring up concerns or questions directly with staff as well as get the chance to hear each other's voices! We have been posting the information about this to the volunteer discussion list, but if anyone who does not follow that list is interested, please contact Madeleine directly ( madeleinel at benetech.org) and she will add you to the emails. Wordpress Blog We are in the process of getting an accessible Wordpress blog up and running. This will be a place for volunteers to post helpful tips for others and a place for volunteers to search by keyword for answers to their questions. Stay posted for more details! Mentoring Program As yet another way to enhance our volunteering experience we are in the process of compiling a list of mentors. It is completely voluntary, but if you have proofread or scanned successfully and feel confident that you can support a newcomer, please email Madeleine and she will send you a short questionnaire to fill out. We appreciate that this volunteer work can be really overwhelming and tricky for new volunteers, so if you're a new volunteer and interested in having a mentor, please email Madeleine to be paired up with someone! Quarterly Challenge This fall we have a proofreading challenge. There are a lot of books that have been in the Checkout Queue for quite some time now and we would like to get those into the collection. You may choose from any on the following list: Dental Computing and Applications Biblical Keys to Financial Prosperoty A Woman Rides the Beast Healing States Urdu/hindi: An Aritificial Divide Intro to the New Testament The Art of Being You Dharma Vahini The Sabbath Soul History for Emergence 100 Great Jewish Books Journey of the Mind to God The Talmud: A Selection Change, the Skinny Man Quick Scripture Reference for Counseling Psychology as Religion Setting Captives Free the Way of Purity The English Yeoman Under Elizabeth and the Early Stuarts Against the Megamachine Message of the Quran Muhammed in World Scriptures Holy Qur'an Please notify Alisa Moore ( alisam at benetech.org) when your book has been added to the collection so that we can give you the double credits. Volunteer Bios Chela Robles Hello I'm trumpeter Chela Robles and I began volunteering for Bookshare in 2007. Because I am a member of the Bookshare community and wanted to keep renewing my membership, I thought I'd gain credits by scanning/proofreading books and have done so since then. Since I'm totally blind, I use a Braille display and Kurzweil 1000 and Microsoft Word and IBM Lotus Symphony for proofreading. Kurzweil is for scanning and proofreading but since I'm currently shopping for a scanner at an affordable price, I'm just proofreading. I also work on special projects such as looking up metadata and checking the collection for certain books. I hope to continue to help Bookshare and Bookshare members in any way I possibly can. Thanks for allowing me to give back to the Bookshare community along with several other volunteers...after all, time is precious and with that time we can give a few hours or dollar donations to help make books more accessible. I'm especially thankful for how much the community and the volunteer program have grown, and for the increase in the number of books from when Bookshare first started, so let's keep at it! Gail Johnson My name is Gail Johnson. I have been volunteering for Bookshare for about 4 years. I proof books only. I volunteer for Bookshare for several reasons: first, I love to read, and second, I believe in everyone having the right to read any subject of interest to them. In my zeal to help provide a wide variety of books for blind people to read I have many times learned about a new subject. I spend hours working on a book. I often choose books that have sat in the queue for a while. My third reason for volunteering is the many wonderful individuals in the volunteer community. I live in Texas 20 miles outside of Austin. For my own reading pleasure some of my favorites are: books on spirituality, mysteries, biographies, and books on food. box_bottom.gif 480 S. California Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94306 Email: volunteers at bookshare.org _____ If you no longer wish to receive these emails, please reply to this message with "Unsubscribe" in the subject line or simply click on the following link: Unsubscribe Click here to forward this email to a friend Benetech 480 S. California Ave Palo Alto, CA 94306 USA Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy. Non-Profits Email Free with VerticalResponse! From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Nov 28 02:19:40 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:19:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindkid] Fwd: Old Braille Material for Rwanda In-Reply-To: <420142.27890.bm@smtp101.vzn.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <420142.27890.bm@smtp101.vzn.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thought some of you might want to help this important cause. Arielle ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Carol Castellano Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:15:20 -0500 Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: Old Braille Material for Rwanda To: blindkid at nfbnet.org Hi Everyone, Here is information about donating Braille and other materials to students in Rwanda. Please contact Dawn Brady at dvsbrady at aol.com for further details. Carol Carol Castellano President, Parents of Blind Children-NJ Director of Programs National Organization of Parents of Blind Children 973-377-0976 carol_castellano at verizon.net www.blindchildren.org www.nopbc.org >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dvsbrady <dvsbrady at aol.com> >>To: specialk38 <specialk38 at aol.com> >>Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:45 am >>Subject: Old Braille Material >> >>I am in communication with someone who is traveling to Rwanda in >>early 2013 to teach grade two Braille, they are looking for >>donations of Braille & large print books, Braille paper, white >>canes, slates & styluses, abacuses for the blind, a Perkins >>Brailler and a embosser. If you know of anyone who would like to >>donate items to this cause can you please pass along my contact >>information. Greatly appreciate it, a World of Good.... Thanks, Dawn _______________________________________________ blindkid mailing list blindkid at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindkid: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindkid_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Wed Nov 28 09:41:21 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 03:41:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} New Guide for Using iMessage from NBP! Message-ID: > > >NBP logo > >An iMessaging guide from NBP! > >[] > > >Image icon for A Quick Guide to iMessaging >A Quick Guide to iMessages with VoiceOver >by Anna Dresner >In braille, eBraille, and Word, $6.00 > >Everybody is texting -- sending one another text >messages. Texting is so popular because if the >other person is available, you can communicate >in real-time, but if your friend isn't around, >you can still convey important information >quickly. And if you have an Apple device (an >iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch running iOS 5 or >later or a Mac running Mountain Lion), you can >text anyone else with one of these devices for >free using a service called iMessage. >A >Quick Guide to iMessaging tells you how to text >and use iMessage on all your Apple devices. >You'll learn how to send and receive messages >and delete the ones you no longer want. If >several people in your family share an Apple ID >for buying apps and music but each have their >own devices, you'll also learn to configure >iCloud so that you can iMessage each other. Buy >this book, and start iMessaging today! > >Order at: >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IMESSAGE.html > >See also: >Getting >Started with the iPhone and iOS5 for Blind Users, $22 >Twenty-one >iPhone Apps We Can't Live Without, $9 >iPhone >Tactile Screenshot Quick Reference Guide, $27 >****** >To order any books, send payment to: >NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 >Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. >Or order any of our books online at >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html. > >Forward >to a friend > > >NBP logo > > > > > > >Copyright © 2012 National Braille Press, All rights reserved. > >National Braille Press >88 Saint Stephen St >Boston, MA 02115 > >Add >us to your address book > > >www.nbp.org > > > Connect with us! From nbrav003 at fiu.edu Wed Nov 28 14:53:16 2012 From: nbrav003 at fiu.edu (Nallym Bravo) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:53:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Greek Organizations and Strolling Message-ID: Good morning all, Hope you’re well. I have a question for anyone who is in a Multicultural Greek Letter Organization that strolls. I recently became a sister of Omega Phi Chi Sorority, Incorporated and we often stroll at probates and other events. My question is what are some tips for strolling, especially in a place you’ve never been to before? Because of all the hand signs and other moves, it would be virtually impossible to stroll with a cane. What are some tips for making sure you are in sync with the rest of the line? Any advice would be fantastic! Thanks in advance, and have a lovely day. Best, Nallym Bravo From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Nov 28 17:57:21 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:57:21 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Need help with a petition! Message-ID: Hi all. I'm trying to get an online petition together, for those of us to send to major TV shows, such as the Nancy Grace show. They usually have a toll free number for us to call in, and give our comments, but they never give us the number verbally. We need to encourage them to do this! Please help me get this set up on Survey Monkey, since I know absolutely nothing about doing something like this. Thanks, Joshua From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Nov 28 19:33:01 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:33:01 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs membership committee welcomes you to an open membership call. Message-ID: Hello nabs, This Sunday, We will be having an open membership committee meeting. This meeting will take place at 4p.m. ET, and is open to all interested in how we go about the business of building, interacting with and engaging the membership of the National Association of Blind Students, as we continue to support the work of the National Federation of the Blind. If you have ideas for activities or initiatives that may help us reach and benefit a larger number of students than we might already, then we would very much like to have you join us! On Sunday December 2, at 4p.m. ET, call (530) 881-1212. Code: 757809541 Questions? Contact me directly at dsmithnfb at gmail.com Best, Darian -- Darian Smith Chair, Membership committee National Association of Blind Students Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities http://www.nfb.org/fairwages “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Thu Nov 29 01:35:18 2012 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:35:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs membership committee welcomes you to an open membership call. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Darian, It is nice to see NABS hosting a call regarding membership. I am curious though, is this call geared more towards building membership on the national level where you are seeking ideas to increase the membership as a whole, or is it geared more towards giving state student divisions advice on how they can increase membership within their own state? Or maybe perhaps a combination of the two? If you will be focusing any time on how state student divisions can increase their membership, then I want to make sure that someone from Michigan will be on the call. Our state student division is kind of dying out, so we could definitely use some help in reaching out to new members. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Darian Smith" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:33 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs membership committee welcomes you to an openmembership call. > Hello nabs, > > This Sunday, We will be having an open membership committee meeting. > This meeting will take place at 4p.m. ET, and is open to all > interested in how we go about the business of building, interacting > with and engaging the membership of the National Association of Blind > Students, as we continue to support the work of the National > Federation of the Blind. If you have ideas for activities or > initiatives that may help us reach and benefit a larger number of > students than we might already, then we would very much like to have > you join us! > On Sunday December 2, at 4p.m. ET, call (530) 881-1212. Code: 757809541 > Questions? > Contact me directly at dsmithnfb at gmail.com > Best, > Darian > > > -- > Darian Smith > Chair, Membership committee > National Association of Blind Students > > > Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund > via your phone bill. > > The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities > > http://www.nfb.org/fairwages > > > “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is > made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. > These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our > knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 06:31:31 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 01:31:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs membership committee welcomes you to an open membership call. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9389C6FF-C6F6-42E5-A2E8-B655BB55D69A@gmail.com> hello, Indeed, I absolutely second what Elizabeth has said. While I have some ideas on how to reach to members, it will be priceless to hear more about how people are doing that on a national level. Sincerely, Mauricio VP - Michigan association of blind students On Nov 28, 2012, at 8:35 PM, "Elizabeth Mohnke" wrote: > Hi Darian, > > It is nice to see NABS hosting a call regarding membership. I am curious though, is this call geared more towards building membership on the national level where you are seeking ideas to increase the membership as a whole, or is it geared more towards giving state student divisions advice on how they can increase membership within their own state? Or maybe perhaps a combination of the two? If you will be focusing any time on how state student divisions can increase their membership, then I want to make sure that someone from Michigan will be on the call. Our state student division is kind of dying out, so we could definitely use some help in reaching out to new members. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Darian Smith" > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:33 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs membership committee welcomes you to an openmembership call. > >> Hello nabs, >> >> This Sunday, We will be having an open membership committee meeting. >> This meeting will take place at 4p.m. ET, and is open to all >> interested in how we go about the business of building, interacting >> with and engaging the membership of the National Association of Blind >> Students, as we continue to support the work of the National >> Federation of the Blind. If you have ideas for activities or >> initiatives that may help us reach and benefit a larger number of >> students than we might already, then we would very much like to have >> you join us! >> On Sunday December 2, at 4p.m. ET, call (530) 881-1212. Code: 757809541 >> Questions? >> Contact me directly at dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> Best, >> Darian >> >> >> -- >> Darian Smith >> Chair, Membership committee >> National Association of Blind Students >> >> >> Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund >> via your phone bill. >> >> The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities >> >> http://www.nfb.org/fairwages >> >> >> “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is >> made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. >> These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our >> knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com From coastergirl92 at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 07:35:48 2012 From: coastergirl92 at gmail.com (Sarah) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:35:48 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Chatlines Message-ID: <50b71065.2750420a.34dd.3757@mx.google.com> Hello, Does=20anyone=20know=20of=20any=20good=20chat=20lines=20that=20are=20blind-= friendly?=20 I=20tried=20calling=20the=20Conversation=20Station=20but=20that=20number=20= don't=20 work=20anymore.=20=20Thanks. Sarah=20and=20Wizard =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Mauricio=20Almeida=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20Darian, =20It=20is=20nice=20to=20see=20NABS=20hosting=20a=20call=20regarding=20memb= ership.=20=20I=20 am=20curious=20though,=20is=20this=20call=20geared=20more=20towards=20build= ing=20 membership=20on=20the=20national=20level=20where=20you=20are=20seeking=20id= eas=20to=20 increase=20the=20membership=20as=20a=20whole,=20or=20is=20it=20geared=20mor= e=20towards=20 giving=20state=20student=20divisions=20advice=20on=20how=20they=20can=20inc= rease=20 membership=20within=20their=20own=20state?=20Or=20maybe=20perhaps=20a=20com= bination=20 of=20the=20two?=20=20If=20you=20will=20be=20focusing=20any=20time=20on=20ho= w=20state=20 student=20divisions=20can=20increase=20their=20membership,=20then=20I=20wan= t=20to=20 make=20sure=20that=20someone=20from=20Michigan=20will=20be=20on=20the=20cal= l.=20=20Our=20 state=20student=20division=20is=20kind=20of=20dying=20out,=20so=20we=20coul= d=20 definitely=20use=20some=20help=20in=20reaching=20out=20to=20new=20members. =20Thanks, =20Elizabeth =20-------------------------------------------------- =20From:=20"Darian=20Smith"=20 BS'D Dear NABS, I've just received a BraillePen12 from my Low Vision Centre. I wonder if someone knows how to write French accents on it, if it's possible? Kind regards, Leye-Shprintse Courriel : leyeshprintse at ymail.com Page web : http://leyeshprintse.wordpress.com Envoyé de mon iPhone From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 11:20:08 2012 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 03:20:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [nabs-l] Chatlines In-Reply-To: <50b71065.2750420a.34dd.3757@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1354188008.15479.YahooMailClassic@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The number for the Conversation Station is 712-432-6499. I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Thu, 11/29/12, Sarah wrote: > From: Sarah > Subject: [nabs-l] Chatlines > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 1:35 AM > Hello, > > Does anyone know of any good chat lines that are > blind-friendly? I tried calling the Conversation Station but > that number don't work anymore.  Thanks. > > Sarah and Wizard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mauricio Almeida To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 01:31:31 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Nabs membership committee welcomes you > to an openmembership call. > > hello, > > Indeed, I absolutely second what Elizabeth has said. > While I have some ideas on how to reach to members, it will > be priceless to hear more about how people are doing that on > a national level. > > Sincerely, > > Mauricio > VP - Michigan association of blind students > On Nov 28, 2012, at 8:35 PM, "Elizabeth Mohnke" > wrote: > > Hi Darian, > > It is nice to see NABS hosting a call regarding > membership.  I am curious though, is this call geared > more towards building membership on the national level where > you are seeking ideas to increase the membership as a whole, > or is it geared more towards giving state student divisions > advice on how they can increase membership within their own > state? Or maybe perhaps a combination of the two?  If > you will be focusing any time on how state student divisions > can increase their membership, then I want to make sure that > someone from Michigan will be on the call.  Our state > student division is kind of dying out, so we could > definitely use some help in reaching out to new members. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Darian Smith" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:33 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs membership committee welcomes you to > an openmembership call. > > Hello nabs, > > This Sunday, We will be having an open membership committee > meeting. > This meeting will take place at 4p.m.  ET, and is open > to all > interested in how we go about the business of building, > interacting > with and engaging the membership of the National Association > of Blind > Students, as  we continue to support the work of the > National > Federation of the Blind.  If you have ideas for > activities or > initiatives that may help us reach and benefit a larger > number of > students than we might already, then we would very much like > to have > you join us! > On Sunday December 2, at 4p.m.  ET, call (530) > 881-1212.  Code: 757809541 > Questions? > Contact me directly at dsmithnfb at gmail.com > Best, > Darian > > > -- > Darian Smith > Chair, Membership committee > National Association of Blind Students > > > Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB > Imagination Fund > via your phone bill. > > The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People > with Disabilities > > http://www.nfb.org/fairwages > > > 밯e know not of our future, but we know of our past.  > A past that is > made up of our ancestor뭩 Dreams, their stories and hopes. > These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are > now our > knowledge.  The knowledge that guides us to this very > moment뀛 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h > otmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalm > eida%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/coastergirl92 > %40gmail.com > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 15:32:23 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel and Stockard) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:32:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] BraillePen12 and French Accents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DE3AC19-E288-4B00-B461-EB25DA03F1EC@gmail.com> Hi, I have not used the device you are referring to, but I am a French major at college. I could probably help you determine how to write the French accents, if you would like you can email me privately. My email is laurel.stockard at gmail.com Laurel Sent from my iPad On Nov 29, 2012, at 4:39, Leye-Shprintse wrote: > BS'D > > Dear NABS, > > I've just received a BraillePen12 from my Low Vision Centre. I wonder if someone knows how to write French accents on it, if it's possible? > > Kind regards, > > Leye-Shprintse > > Courriel : leyeshprintse at ymail.com > Page web : http://leyeshprintse.wordpress.com > > Envoyé de mon iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com From coastergirl92 at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 18:15:43 2012 From: coastergirl92 at gmail.com (Sarah) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:15:43 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Chatlines Message-ID: <50b7a661.6fd2440a.3540.ffff858e@mx.google.com> thank=20you=20so=20very=20much!=20I=20will=20be=20on=20there=20right=20now!= =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Anmol=20Bhatia=20=20wrote: =20From:=20Sarah=20 References: <01db01cdc155$6a762140$3f6263c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: nabs.president at gmail.com Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:14:43 -0500 Subject: Student Slate Fall 2012 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org, nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org Good evening, Please find attached the latest edition of NABS quarterly publication, the Student Slate. Thanks to Karen Anderson, Cindy Bennett and Candice Chapman, and happy Reading! Take care, Sean Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students (608) 332-4147 Nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org -- Darian Smith Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities http://www.nfb.org/fairwages “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Very excited! Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: *From:* Mollyne Honor *Date:* November 29, 2012, 12:00:20 PM EST *To:* *Subject:* *Accessibility announcement* *Reply-To:* Mollyne Honor Buying, downloading and reading books and magazines using the Nook App from Barnes & Noble is fully accessible on the iPhone, iPad and iPod. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/nook-for-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch/379003589 From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Nov 30 14:08:03 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:08:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Accessibility announcement In-Reply-To: <-4737712709878663810@unknownmsgid> References: <011d01cdce53$0419a790$0c4cf6b0$@lbph.lib.md.us> <-4737712709878663810@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <179BF35D4D134E12908A886CAFBC2D03@OwnerPC> hmm, how is it fully accessible? all hype about inaccessible nook and kindle around. So does this mean the menus will talk on these I devices? is it with voice over or their own talking synthesizer? Did they actually label all those visual buttons so its accessible? it would be exciting, but before we say its great, is it actually fullly accessible? -----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 7:01 AM To: mm-friends at acbradio.org ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; Blind Talk Mailing List Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Accessibility announcement This accessibility announcement came from the Maryland LBP H. Very excited! Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: *From:* Mollyne Honor *Date:* November 29, 2012, 12:00:20 PM EST *To:* *Subject:* *Accessibility announcement* *Reply-To:* Mollyne Honor Buying, downloading and reading books and magazines using the Nook App from Barnes & Noble is fully accessible on the iPhone, iPad and iPod. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/nook-for-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch/379003589 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 15:21:34 2012 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:21:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility announcement In-Reply-To: <179BF35D4D134E12908A886CAFBC2D03@OwnerPC> References: <011d01cdce53$0419a790$0c4cf6b0$@lbph.lib.md.us> <-4737712709878663810@unknownmsgid> <179BF35D4D134E12908A886CAFBC2D03@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <399BBF52-876D-4CE9-BAE2-3FC387FEC5F5@gmail.com> I have the Nook app on my iPod. when they say that application is accessible, they mean it. You have to go to the Barns and Noble web site to create an account first--they on't allow you to do that from within the app--but once you do you can sign in, hit the Sync button, and get 4 free books. You are also given a nice tutorial that explains about the VoiceOver gestures that can be used to read books with the Nook application, It's ver similar to iBooks--just about identical. They seem to have taken a lot of time to make this app really truly work with VoiceOver. Now, if Amazon would do likewise ... and that includes not blocking books being read by VoiceOver ... Jane On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > hmm, how is it fully accessible? all hype about inaccessible nook and kindle around. So does this mean the menus will talk on these I devices? is it with voice over or their own talking synthesizer? Did they actually label all those visual buttons so its accessible? > > it would be exciting, but before we say its great, is it actually fullly accessible? > > -----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 7:01 AM > To: mm-friends at acbradio.org ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; Blind Talk Mailing List > Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Accessibility announcement > > This accessibility announcement came from the Maryland LBP H. Very excited! > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Mollyne Honor > *Date:* November 29, 2012, 12:00:20 PM EST > *To:* > *Subject:* *Accessibility announcement* > *Reply-To:* Mollyne Honor > > Buying, downloading and reading books and magazines using the Nook App from > Barnes & Noble is fully accessible on the iPhone, iPad and iPod. > > > > http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/nook-for-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch/379003589 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 16:59:41 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:59:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility announcement Message-ID: <50b8e61a.c6ea440a.534a.16c7@mx.google.com> Speaking of Amazon, well, I avoid doing busines with the company and wrote a letter explaining why it is important to make Kindle accessible. Lots of books I would love to read are available in the Kindle, not anything else, and I'm ick of the disabled proof crap that Bookshare and Learning Ally require. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane wrote: hmm, how is it fully accessible? all hype about inaccessible nook and kindle around. So does this mean the menus will talk on these I devices? is it with voice over or their own talking synthesizer? Did they actually label all those visual buttons so its accessible? it would be exciting, but before we say its great, is it actually fullly accessible? -----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 7:01 AM To: mm-friends at acbradio.org ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; Blind Talk Mailing List Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Accessibility announcement This accessibility announcement came from the Maryland LBP H. Very excited! Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: *From:* Mollyne Honor