From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 00:23:45 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:23:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006901cd9f6b$05882d20$10988760$@gmail.com> Hi Arielle, I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I also think it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been totally blind since birth, meaning that living without sight is the only life I have ever known. Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be sensory overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they can't imagine being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to see. I can't imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would do things around the house or at school visually. The first few times I would try to use a computer or an iOS device visually, I would probably keep using the JAWS keystrokes and VoiceOver gestures, then get frustrated wondering why the heck these keystrokes and gestures I had been using for so long were not working anymore. I would need to learn how to read and write print, which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same situation that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part of their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I know right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the other hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep up with my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that material is in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to the preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How would this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of sight, I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to blindness. I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you did for your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to those of people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who were born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would think that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as well as most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they have experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably want their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us who are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since birth wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. For my part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have described. However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research is done with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where groups such as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the image of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In other words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) this: "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so horrible for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent this, donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the terrible thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which blind people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try to get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. But that's another subject for another thread. These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you all think? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Hi all, I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without actually having good skills are evident to many of us. I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping out blindness. What do you think? Arielle On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they > focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. > But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting > Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. > The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was > sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and > only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates > its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as > if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision > he does have through the camera. > > I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be > taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its > shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary > school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how > to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. > Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. > Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was > young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book > share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, > and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have > today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But > this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good > thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I would not know how to function. > > > If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial > vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the > technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals > to the eyes so the person can see some images. > > Here it is. > http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-brin > g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 00:33:54 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:33:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare problems In-Reply-To: References: <506851f2.847cec0a.1e6d.ffffda93@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <007601cd9f6c$7066c4c0$51344e40$@gmail.com> You might be able to do it from the Web site, but probably the best way is to call them. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bookshare problems So, I have to call them? Hmmm! Okay. I've had my account, since high school. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:06 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bookshare problems Joshua, point of clarification--do you have a Bookshare account? Because if you already have an account and want to change the email address on it, you have to call the Bookshare number. When I was little, my mom made a Bookshare account for me using her email. I just called them and got them to change the email address for the account with my name on it to my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester References: <006901cd9f6b$05882d20$10988760$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5068E758.3090204@gmail.com> Sure! These foundations only care about money money money; not only that: they use the psychological of pity to get people to donate. El 30/09/2012 07:23 p.m., Chris Nusbaum escribió: > Hi Arielle, > > I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I also think > it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been totally blind since > birth, meaning that living without sight is the only life I have ever known. > Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be sensory > overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they can't imagine > being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. > > Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to see. I can't > imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would do things around > the house or at school visually. The first few times I would try to use a > computer or an iOS device visually, I would probably keep using the JAWS > keystrokes and VoiceOver gestures, then get frustrated wondering why the > heck these keystrokes and gestures I had been using for so long were not > working anymore. I would need to learn how to read and write print, > which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same situation > that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part of > their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I know > right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the other > hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep up with > my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that material is > in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from > Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to the > preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How would > this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would > adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of sight, > I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what > seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to > blindness. > > I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you did for > your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind > since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to those of > people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who were > born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would think > that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as well as > most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined > "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they have > experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably want > their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us who > are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since birth > wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. For my > part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have described. > However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for > blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research is done > with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where groups such > as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the image > of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In other > words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) this: > "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so horrible > for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent this, > donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the terrible > thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which blind > people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try to > get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. But > that's another subject for another thread. > > These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you all > think? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Hi all, > I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors > thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six years > ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt > about the prospect of having their sight restored. > One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not one > would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with no > risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. While > most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority > (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns about > losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new sense > and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. > Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for a > sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them most > or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the > technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a > problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision > become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the > article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of using > very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures could > actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the article, > I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the > artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it > makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at > navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the > challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without actually > having good skills are evident to many of us. > I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for several > reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was extensively > tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full > functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it because I > am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is absolutely > medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on hold to > learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to > support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' > thoughts about this. > I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my blood to > a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on genetic > treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am > mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could > legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who > live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other > hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often > propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or > Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these causes. > Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some people > will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward > finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping > out blindness. What do you think? > Arielle > > On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >> focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and > equipment. >> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >> sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and >> only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates >> its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as >> if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision >> he does have through the camera. >> >> I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >> taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its >> shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary >> school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how >> to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of the > vision impaired. >> Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. >> Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was >> young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book >> share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, >> and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have >> today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But >> this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good >> thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I would > not know how to function. >> >> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals >> to the eyes so the person can see some images. >> >> Here it is. >> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-brin >> g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >> com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 00:58:49 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:58:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness Message-ID: <5068eaf4.a473ec0a.5719.28c4@mx.google.com> I agree with Arielle and others on this thread. I have been blind since birth and feel this would be a radical change. I also feel that this could be mentally unbalancing for many blind people. Having such an extreme change could cause more harm than help. I don't want to spend my whole life training to live blind, then get sighted and have to relearn everything. That would be a pain in the neck. Also, taking a magic pill that could restore all my vision goes against my personal beliefs. God made me blind, so I'll stay that way, thanks very much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" I would need to learn how to read and write print, which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same situation that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part of their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I know right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the other hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep up with my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that material is in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to the preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How would this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of sight, I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to blindness. I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you did for your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to those of people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who were born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would think that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as well as most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they have experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably want their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us who are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since birth wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. For my part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have described. However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research is done with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where groups such as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the image of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In other words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) this: "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so horrible for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent this, donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the terrible thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which blind people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try to get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. But that's another subject for another thread. These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you all think? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Hi all, I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without actually having good skills are evident to many of us. I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping out blindness. What do you think? Arielle On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Hi all, I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have through the camera. I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I would not know how to function. If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to the eyes so the person can see some images. Here it is. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may -brin g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 00:59:59 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:59:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: <5068E758.3090204@gmail.com> References: <006901cd9f6b$05882d20$10988760$@gmail.com> <5068E758.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ok. Y'all might kill me for saying this, but you wanted our thoughts on the matter, so here goes. I am blind from birth, have an artificial left eye and see only light/dark and colors and some shapes and movement in my right eye. I read braille and all. If I had the chance to use some form of medical technology that would improve my vision, even a little but, I'd take it. While I am extremely comfortable with my identity as a blind woman, and while I realize that I may never get 20/20 vision, I would be willing to do anything that would improve my vision slightly. I realize I may be in the minority in this group, and that most people might not agree with me, but those are my thoughts. I must also say that even if my vision improved a little bit, but not very much, I would not stop using a guide dog or some form of mobility aid like this gentlemen is doing. I would still utilize any mobility aids that I would need in order to be safe, and I would still utilize any blindness related technology, braille, jaws etc, that I might need. I'm not interested in passing off as a sighted person either and I realize that with improved vision goes many challenges. I'm not even trying to argue with that. I'm for being safe and all. All I am saying, is that if I had the chance to do something that would help improve my vision, even if it only improved like by 5 percent or so, I'd strongly consider doing it. Anything helps. Just my opinion, I totally understand those of you who would disagree with me. Each man to his own. /smile/ Laurel On 9/30/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > Sure! These foundations only care about money money money; not only > that: they use the psychological of pity to get people to donate. > > El 30/09/2012 07:23 p.m., Chris Nusbaum escribió: >> Hi Arielle, >> >> I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I also >> think >> it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been totally blind >> since >> birth, meaning that living without sight is the only life I have ever >> known. >> Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be sensory >> overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they can't imagine >> being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. >> >> Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to see. I >> can't >> imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would do things >> around >> the house or at school visually. The first few times I would try to use a >> computer or an iOS device visually, I would probably keep using the JAWS >> keystrokes and VoiceOver gestures, then get frustrated wondering why the >> heck these keystrokes and gestures I had been using for so long were not >> working anymore. I would need to learn how to read and write >> print, >> which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same situation >> that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part >> of >> their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I >> know >> right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the >> other >> hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep up >> with >> my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that material >> is >> in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from >> Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to >> the >> preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How >> would >> this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would >> adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of >> sight, >> I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what >> seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to >> blindness. >> >> I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you did >> for >> your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind >> since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to those >> of >> people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who >> were >> born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would think >> that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as well >> as >> most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined >> "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they >> have >> experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably want >> their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us >> who >> are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since >> birth >> wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. For >> my >> part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have >> described. >> However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for >> blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research is >> done >> with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where groups >> such >> as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the >> image >> of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In >> other >> words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) >> this: >> "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so >> horrible >> for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent this, >> donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the terrible >> thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which >> blind >> people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try to >> get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. But >> that's another subject for another thread. >> >> These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you all >> think? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >> >> Hi all, >> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors >> thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six >> years >> ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt >> about the prospect of having their sight restored. >> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not >> one >> would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with >> no >> risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. >> While >> most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority >> (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns about >> losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new >> sense >> and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. >> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for a >> sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them >> most >> or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the >> technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a >> problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision >> become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the >> article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of using >> very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures >> could >> actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the >> article, >> I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from >> the >> artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, >> it >> makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at >> navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think >> the >> challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without >> actually >> having good skills are evident to many of us. >> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >> several >> reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was extensively >> tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full >> functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it because >> I >> am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is >> absolutely >> medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on hold >> to >> learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want >> to >> support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' >> thoughts about this. >> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my blood >> to >> a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on >> genetic >> treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am >> mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could >> legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who >> live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other >> hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often >> propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or >> Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these >> causes. >> Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some >> people >> will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy >> toward >> finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than >> wiping >> out blindness. What do you think? >> Arielle >> >> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >>> focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and >> equipment. >>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >>> sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and >>> only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates >>> its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as >>> if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision >>> he does have through the camera. >>> >>> I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>> taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its >>> shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary >>> school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how >>> to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of the >> vision impaired. >>> Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. >>> Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was >>> young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book >>> share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, >>> and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have >>> today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But >>> this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good >>> thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I would >> not know how to function. >>> >>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >>> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >>> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals >>> to the eyes so the person can see some images. >>> >>> Here it is. >>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-brin >>> g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>> com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > From gera1027 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 01:06:33 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:06:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: <5068eaf4.a473ec0a.5719.28c4@mx.google.com> References: <5068eaf4.a473ec0a.5719.28c4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5068EC99.3000103@gmail.com> Part of me I wouldn't want to go through what the guy in "At First Sight" had to go through to learn everything as a sighted person, where in the end he became blind again! Whereas another part of me would see this as an adventure. Great topic! El 30/09/2012 07:58 p.m., Sophie Trist escribió: > I agree with Arielle and others on this thread. I have been blind > since birth and feel this would be a radical change. I also feel that > this could be mentally unbalancing for many blind people. Having such > an extreme change could cause more harm than help. I don't want to > spend my whole life training to live blind, then get sighted and have > to relearn everything. That would be a pain in the neck. Also, taking > a magic pill that could restore all my vision goes against my personal > beliefs. God made me blind, so I'll stay that way, thanks very much. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:23:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Hi Arielle, > > I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I also > think > it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been totally blind > since > birth, meaning that living without sight is the only life I have ever > known. > Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be sensory > overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they can't imagine > being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. > > Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to see. I > can't > imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would do things > around > the house or at school visually. The first few times I would try to use a > computer or an iOS device visually, I would probably keep using the JAWS > keystrokes and VoiceOver gestures, then get frustrated wondering why the > heck these keystrokes and gestures I had been using for so long were not > working anymore. I would need to learn how to read and write > print, > which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same situation > that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large > part of > their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I > know > right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the > other > hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep > up with > my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that > material is > in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from > Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back > to the > preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How > would > this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would > adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of > sight, > I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what > seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to > blindness. > > I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you > did for > your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind > since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to > those of > people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who > were > born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would think > that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as > well as > most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined > "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because > they have > experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably want > their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of > us who > are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since > birth > wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. > For my > part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have > described. > However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for > blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research > is done > with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where > groups such > as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the > image > of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In > other > words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) > this: > "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so > horrible > for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent this, > donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the terrible > thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which > blind > people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try to > get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. But > that's another subject for another thread. > > These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you all > think? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Hi all, > I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors > thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six > years > ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt > about the prospect of having their sight restored. > One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or > not one > would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately > with no > risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. > While > most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority > (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns about > losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new > sense > and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. > Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for a > sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give > them most > or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the > technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a > problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision > become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the > article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of using > very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures > could > actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the > article, > I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence > from the > artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. > Instead, it > makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at > navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I > think the > challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without > actually > having good skills are evident to many of us. > I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for > several > reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was extensively > tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full > functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it > because I > am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is > absolutely > medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on > hold to > learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I > want to > support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' > thoughts about this. > I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my > blood to > a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on > genetic > treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am > mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could > legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who > live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other > hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often > propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or > Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these > causes. > Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some > people > will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy > toward > finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than > wiping > out blindness. What do you think? > Arielle > > On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they > focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and > equipment. > But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting > Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. > The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was > sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and > only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates > its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as > if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision > he does have through the camera. > > I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be > taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its > shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary > school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how > to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of the > vision impaired. > Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. > Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was > young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book > share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, > and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have > today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But > this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good > thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I would > not know how to function. > > > If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial > vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the > technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals > to the eyes so the person can see some images. > > Here it is. > > http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may > -brin > g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com From gera1027 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 01:08:50 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:08:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: References: <006901cd9f6b$05882d20$10988760$@gmail.com> <5068E758.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5068ED22.40409@gmail.com> Also have you guys heard the story of this blind guy who had surgery and had to relearn everthing as a sighted person? Even as he learned, he still used his guide dog. What is Michael something? he's the founder of Sendero group I think. El 30/09/2012 07:59 p.m., Laurel escribió: > Ok. Y'all might kill me for saying this, but you wanted our thoughts > on the matter, so here goes. > I am blind from birth, have an artificial left eye and see only > light/dark and colors and some shapes and movement in my right eye. I > read braille and all. If I had the chance to use some form of medical > technology that would improve my vision, even a little but, I'd take > it. While I am extremely comfortable with my identity as a blind > woman, and while I realize that I may never get 20/20 vision, I would > be willing to do anything that would improve my vision slightly. I > realize I may be in the minority in this group, and that most people > might not agree with me, but those are my thoughts. I must also say > that even if my vision improved a little bit, but not very much, I > would not stop using a guide dog or some form of mobility aid like > this gentlemen is doing. I would still utilize any mobility aids that > I would need in order to be safe, and I would still utilize any > blindness related technology, braille, jaws etc, that I might need. > I'm not interested in passing off as a sighted person either and I > realize that with improved vision goes many challenges. I'm not even > trying to argue with that. I'm for being safe and all. All I am > saying, is that if I had the chance to do something that would help > improve my vision, even if it only improved like by 5 percent or so, > I'd strongly consider doing it. Anything helps. > Just my opinion, I totally understand those of you who would disagree > with me. Each man to his own. /smile/ > Laurel > > On 9/30/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >> Sure! These foundations only care about money money money; not only >> that: they use the psychological of pity to get people to donate. >> >> El 30/09/2012 07:23 p.m., Chris Nusbaum escribió: >>> Hi Arielle, >>> >>> I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I also >>> think >>> it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been totally blind >>> since >>> birth, meaning that living without sight is the only life I have ever >>> known. >>> Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be sensory >>> overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they can't imagine >>> being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. >>> >>> Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to see. I >>> can't >>> imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would do things >>> around >>> the house or at school visually. The first few times I would try to use a >>> computer or an iOS device visually, I would probably keep using the JAWS >>> keystrokes and VoiceOver gestures, then get frustrated wondering why the >>> heck these keystrokes and gestures I had been using for so long were not >>> working anymore. I would need to learn how to read and write >>> print, >>> which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same situation >>> that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part >>> of >>> their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I >>> know >>> right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the >>> other >>> hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep up >>> with >>> my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that material >>> is >>> in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from >>> Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to >>> the >>> preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How >>> would >>> this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would >>> adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of >>> sight, >>> I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what >>> seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to >>> blindness. >>> >>> I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you did >>> for >>> your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind >>> since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to those >>> of >>> people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who >>> were >>> born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would think >>> that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as well >>> as >>> most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined >>> "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they >>> have >>> experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably want >>> their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us >>> who >>> are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since >>> birth >>> wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. For >>> my >>> part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have >>> described. >>> However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for >>> blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research is >>> done >>> with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where groups >>> such >>> as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the >>> image >>> of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In >>> other >>> words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) >>> this: >>> "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so >>> horrible >>> for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent this, >>> donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the terrible >>> thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which >>> blind >>> people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try to >>> get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. But >>> that's another subject for another thread. >>> >>> These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you all >>> think? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors >>> thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six >>> years >>> ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt >>> about the prospect of having their sight restored. >>> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not >>> one >>> would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with >>> no >>> risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. >>> While >>> most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority >>> (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns about >>> losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new >>> sense >>> and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. >>> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for a >>> sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them >>> most >>> or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the >>> technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a >>> problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision >>> become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the >>> article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of using >>> very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures >>> could >>> actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the >>> article, >>> I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from >>> the >>> artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, >>> it >>> makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at >>> navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think >>> the >>> challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without >>> actually >>> having good skills are evident to many of us. >>> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >>> several >>> reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was extensively >>> tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full >>> functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it because >>> I >>> am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is >>> absolutely >>> medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on hold >>> to >>> learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want >>> to >>> support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' >>> thoughts about this. >>> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my blood >>> to >>> a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on >>> genetic >>> treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am >>> mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could >>> legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who >>> live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other >>> hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often >>> propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or >>> Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these >>> causes. >>> Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some >>> people >>> will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy >>> toward >>> finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than >>> wiping >>> out blindness. What do you think? >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >>>> focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and >>> equipment. >>>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >>>> sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and >>>> only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates >>>> its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as >>>> if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision >>>> he does have through the camera. >>>> >>>> I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>>> taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its >>>> shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary >>>> school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how >>>> to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of the >>> vision impaired. >>>> Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. >>>> Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was >>>> young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book >>>> share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, >>>> and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have >>>> today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But >>>> this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good >>>> thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I would >>> not know how to function. >>>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >>>> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >>>> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals >>>> to the eyes so the person can see some images. >>>> >>>> Here it is. >>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-brin >>>> g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>>> com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 01:10:00 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:10:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Greater-baltimore] Perkins Brailler needed for international work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008601cd9f71$7bc52190$734f64b0$@gmail.com> -----Original Message----- From: greater-baltimore-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:greater-baltimore-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ewell, Jason Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:36 AM To: nfbmd at nfbnet.org; greater-baltimore at nfbnet.org Subject: [Greater-baltimore] Perkins Brailler needed for international work Fellow Federationists: Do you or does someone you know happen to have a Perkins Brailler that isn't getting much use? Might you or they be willing to donate it to a blind youth who could benefit from using it every day? One of the graduates from the Louisiana Tech University Teaching Blind Students program, Elnura Emilkanova, who is from Kyrgyzstan, is trying to bring Federation philosophy to the blind of her country. Elnura is truly one of us in spirit, and she brings much energy to her work. She is currently in Baltimore, but she will be returning to Kyrgyzstan on October 4. If you are able to help her, please contact Joanne Wilson at 410-659-9314, Ext. 2335, or JWilson at nfb.org. Thanks, Jason _______________________________________________ Greater-baltimore mailing list Greater-baltimore at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/greater-baltimore_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Greater-baltimore: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/greater-baltimore_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 01:22:40 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:22:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: <5068ED22.40409@gmail.com> References: <006901cd9f6b$05882d20$10988760$@gmail.com> <5068E758.3090204@gmail.com> <5068ED22.40409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009f01cd9f73$41407090$c3c151b0$@gmail.com> Hi Gerardo, Are you talking about Mike May? I'm pretty sure he's still blind. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Also have you guys heard the story of this blind guy who had surgery and had to relearn everthing as a sighted person? Even as he learned, he still used his guide dog. What is Michael something? he's the founder of Sendero group I think. El 30/09/2012 07:59 p.m., Laurel escribió: > Ok. Y'all might kill me for saying this, but you wanted our thoughts > on the matter, so here goes. > I am blind from birth, have an artificial left eye and see only > light/dark and colors and some shapes and movement in my right eye. I > read braille and all. If I had the chance to use some form of medical > technology that would improve my vision, even a little but, I'd take > it. While I am extremely comfortable with my identity as a blind > woman, and while I realize that I may never get 20/20 vision, I would > be willing to do anything that would improve my vision slightly. I > realize I may be in the minority in this group, and that most people > might not agree with me, but those are my thoughts. I must also say > that even if my vision improved a little bit, but not very much, I > would not stop using a guide dog or some form of mobility aid like > this gentlemen is doing. I would still utilize any mobility aids that > I would need in order to be safe, and I would still utilize any > blindness related technology, braille, jaws etc, that I might need. > I'm not interested in passing off as a sighted person either and I > realize that with improved vision goes many challenges. I'm not even > trying to argue with that. I'm for being safe and all. All I am > saying, is that if I had the chance to do something that would help > improve my vision, even if it only improved like by 5 percent or so, > I'd strongly consider doing it. Anything helps. > Just my opinion, I totally understand those of you who would disagree > with me. Each man to his own. /smile/ Laurel > > On 9/30/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >> Sure! These foundations only care about money money money; not >> only >> that: they use the psychological of pity to get people to donate. >> >> El 30/09/2012 07:23 p.m., Chris Nusbaum escribió: >>> Hi Arielle, >>> >>> I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I >>> also think it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been >>> totally blind since birth, meaning that living without sight is the >>> only life I have ever known. >>> Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be >>> sensory overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they >>> can't imagine being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. >>> >>> Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to see. >>> I can't imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would >>> do things around the house or at school visually. The first few >>> times I would try to use a computer or an iOS device visually, I >>> would probably keep using the JAWS keystrokes and VoiceOver >>> gestures, then get frustrated wondering why the heck these >>> keystrokes and gestures I had been using for so long were not >>> working anymore. I would need to learn how to read and write >>> print, >>> which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same >>> situation that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or >>> a large part of their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. >>> The only print I know right now is the letters of my name, but even >>> that is cursive. On the other hand, I can read Braille at 170 words >>> per minute and can easily keep up with my sighted classmates when >>> reading material, provided that that material is in Braille or an >>> electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from Bookshare. If I >>> suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to the >>> preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. >>> How would this effect my academic success in high school? I would >>> think it would adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to >>> imagine the sense of sight, I can't wrap my head around it. If this >>> makes sense, I don't know what seeing is. This is because I have >>> never had sight and have gotten used to blindness. >>> >>> I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you >>> did for your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have >>> been blind since birth to those of people who went blind in early >>> childhood to those of people who went blind as adults. I would >>> predict that those of us who were born blind would have answers >>> similar to mine. Conversely, I would think that some of the people >>> who lost their sight in early childhood as well as most of the >>> people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined "magic >>> pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they >>> have experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would >>> probably want their sight back if they could have it. However, as I >>> said, those of us who are totally blind and especially those of us >>> who have been blind since birth wouldn't know what to do with sight, >>> and therefore wouldn't want it. For my part, I don't think I would >>> take the pill for the reasons I have described. >>> However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure >>> for blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the >>> research is done with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think >>> this is where groups such as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall >>> short. They keep using the image of the helpless blind person as a >>> tool for fundraising and support. In other words, I sometimes think >>> they are implying (even if they don't say it) >>> this: >>> "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so >>> horrible for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to >>> prevent this, donate to our foundation so you can help us find a >>> cure for the terrible thing that is blindness." They don't say that >>> there are ways in which blind people can live normal, independent >>> and active lives. Rather, they try to get sighted people to pity us. >>> I think this does more harm than good. But that's another subject >>> for another thread. >>> >>> These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do >>> you all think? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my >>> honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey >>> about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess >>> how blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight >>> restored. >>> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or >>> not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision >>> immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample >>> said they would do it. >>> While >>> most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial >>> minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited >>> concerns about losing their identity as blind people, or having to >>> adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away from their >>> quality of life. >>> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order >>> for a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to >>> give them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any >>> objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do >>> think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give >>> very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead >>> people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel >>> aid like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a >>> result, people who have these procedures could actually end up >>> struggling more than they were before. Based on the article, I am >>> not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from >>> the artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. >>> Instead, it makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but >>> possibly worse at navigating his environment because he is no longer >>> using a cane. I think the challenges and self-esteem issues >>> associated with "passing" without actually having good skills are >>> evident to many of us. >>> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >>> several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology >>> was extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could >>> actually give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm >>> not sure I would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only >>> want to go through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and >>> I do not want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to >>> see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to >>> support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' >>> thoughts about this. >>> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my >>> blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid >>> research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it >>> and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think >>> that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have >>> access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is >>> viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative >>> press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented >>> groups like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting >>> Blindness, making me not want to support these causes. >>> Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some >>> people will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my >>> limited energy toward finding ways to make life better for those who >>> are blind rather than wiping out blindness. What do you think? >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; >>>> they focus on living with it and adapting to the world with >>>> training and >>> equipment. >>>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article >>>> was sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a >>>> cane and only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from >>>> him indicates its hard to focus and learn to see with this >>>> artificial vision; not as if he claims its perfect. Still he is >>>> happy with the artificial vision he does have through the camera. >>>> >>>> I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>>> taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its >>>> shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid >>>> elementary school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I >>>> did learn how to use it as well as other alternative techniques >>>> from my teacher of the >>> vision impaired. >>>> Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. >>>> Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I >>>> was young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no >>>> book share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code >>>> readers, and scanners were around although not to the efficient >>>> degree we have today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want >>>> more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some >>>> vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter >>>> the sighted world as I would >>> not know how to function. >>>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take >>>> artificial vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to >>>> improve the technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which >>>> sends signals to the eyes so the person can see some images. >>>> >>>> Here it is. >>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-b >>>> rin g-sight-back-to-blind/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>>> com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%4 >>> 0gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail >>> .com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%4 >> 0gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.c > om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 00:25:25 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:25:25 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: <5068eaf4.a473ec0a.5719.28c4@mx.google.com> References: <5068eaf4.a473ec0a.5719.28c4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I agree with Ariel as well. I have been blind since birth and think I would be confused with the way things work as a sighted person. I think the adjustment would take a while. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness I agree with Arielle and others on this thread. I have been blind since birth and feel this would be a radical change. I also feel that this could be mentally unbalancing for many blind people. Having such an extreme change could cause more harm than help. I don't want to spend my whole life training to live blind, then get sighted and have to relearn everything. That would be a pain in the neck. Also, taking a magic pill that could restore all my vision goes against my personal beliefs. God made me blind, so I'll stay that way, thanks very much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" I would need to learn how to read and write print, which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same situation that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part of their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I know right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the other hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep up with my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that material is in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to the preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How would this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of sight, I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to blindness. I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you did for your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to those of people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who were born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would think that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as well as most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they have experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably want their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us who are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since birth wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. For my part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have described. However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research is done with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where groups such as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the image of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In other words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) this: "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so horrible for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent this, donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the terrible thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which blind people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try to get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. But that's another subject for another thread. These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you all think? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Hi all, I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without actually having good skills are evident to many of us. I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping out blindness. What do you think? Arielle On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Hi all, I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have through the camera. I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I would not know how to function. If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to the eyes so the person can see some images. Here it is. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may -brin g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 01:27:53 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:27:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: References: <006901cd9f6b$05882d20$10988760$@gmail.com> <5068E758.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a001cd9f73$fb4c4ef0$f1e4ecd0$@gmail.com> Hi Laurel, You make some good points, and I agree with most of them. I just don't think I could wrap my head around being sighted after being blind my whole life. I might do it if the technology made it so I would gradually regain my vision, but as I said in my last message, I think it would be sensory overload for me to go from total blindness to full sight. That's just me, and as you said, to each his (or her) own. :) Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laurel Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Ok. Y'all might kill me for saying this, but you wanted our thoughts on the matter, so here goes. I am blind from birth, have an artificial left eye and see only light/dark and colors and some shapes and movement in my right eye. I read braille and all. If I had the chance to use some form of medical technology that would improve my vision, even a little but, I'd take it. While I am extremely comfortable with my identity as a blind woman, and while I realize that I may never get 20/20 vision, I would be willing to do anything that would improve my vision slightly. I realize I may be in the minority in this group, and that most people might not agree with me, but those are my thoughts. I must also say that even if my vision improved a little bit, but not very much, I would not stop using a guide dog or some form of mobility aid like this gentlemen is doing. I would still utilize any mobility aids that I would need in order to be safe, and I would still utilize any blindness related technology, braille, jaws etc, that I might need. I'm not interested in passing off as a sighted person either and I realize that with improved vision goes many challenges. I'm not even trying to argue with that. I'm for being safe and all. All I am saying, is that if I had the chance to do something that would help improve my vision, even if it only improved like by 5 percent or so, I'd strongly consider doing it. Anything helps. Just my opinion, I totally understand those of you who would disagree with me. Each man to his own. /smile/ Laurel On 9/30/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > Sure! These foundations only care about money money money; not only > that: they use the psychological of pity to get people to donate. > > El 30/09/2012 07:23 p.m., Chris Nusbaum escribió: >> Hi Arielle, >> >> I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I also >> think it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been totally >> blind since birth, meaning that living without sight is the only life >> I have ever known. >> Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be >> sensory overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they >> can't imagine being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. >> >> Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to see. >> I can't imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would >> do things around the house or at school visually. The first few times >> I would try to use a computer or an iOS device visually, I would >> probably keep using the JAWS keystrokes and VoiceOver gestures, then >> get frustrated wondering why the heck these keystrokes and gestures I >> had been using for so long were not working anymore. I would >> need to learn how to read and write print, which would probably take >> me a very long time. This is the same situation that some blind >> people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part of their >> usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I know >> right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the >> other hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily >> keep up with my sighted classmates when reading material, provided >> that that material is in Braille or an electronic Braille format, >> such as a BRF book from Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, >> I would have to go back to the preschool or kindergarten level and >> relearn how to read and write. How would this effect my academic >> success in high school? I would think it would adversely effect it. >> Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of sight, I can't wrap >> my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what seeing is. >> This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to >> blindness. >> >> I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you >> did for your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have >> been blind since birth to those of people who went blind in early >> childhood to those of people who went blind as adults. I would >> predict that those of us who were born blind would have answers >> similar to mine. Conversely, I would think that some of the people >> who lost their sight in early childhood as well as most of the people >> who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined "magic pill" or >> use the artificial vision. I think this is because they have >> experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably >> want their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, >> those of us who are totally blind and especially those of us who have >> been blind since birth wouldn't know what to do with sight, and >> therefore wouldn't want it. For my part, I don't think I would take >> the pill for the reasons I have described. >> However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure >> for blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the >> research is done with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think >> this is where groups such as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall >> short. They keep using the image of the helpless blind person as a >> tool for fundraising and support. In other words, I sometimes think >> they are implying (even if they don't say it) >> this: >> "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so >> horrible for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to >> prevent this, donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure >> for the terrible thing that is blindness." They don't say that there >> are ways in which blind people can live normal, independent and >> active lives. Rather, they try to get sighted people to pity us. I >> think this does more harm than good. But that's another subject for >> another thread. >> >> These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you >> all think? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >> >> Hi all, >> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my >> honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey >> about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess >> how blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight >> restored. >> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or >> not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision >> immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample >> said they would do it. >> While >> most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial >> minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited >> concerns about losing their identity as blind people, or having to >> adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away from their >> quality of life. >> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order >> for a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to >> give them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any >> objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do >> think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give >> very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead >> people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel >> aid like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a >> result, people who have these procedures could actually end up >> struggling more than they were before. Based on the article, I am not >> convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the >> artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. >> Instead, it makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but >> possibly worse at navigating his environment because he is no longer >> using a cane. I think the challenges and self-esteem issues >> associated with "passing" without actually having good skills are >> evident to many of us. >> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >> several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was >> extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually >> give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I >> would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go >> through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not >> want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have >> more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on >> curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' >> thoughts about this. >> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my >> blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid >> research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it >> and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think >> that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have >> access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is >> viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative >> press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented >> groups like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting >> Blindness, making me not want to support these causes. >> Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some >> people will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited >> energy toward finding ways to make life better for those who are >> blind rather than wiping out blindness. What do you think? >> Arielle >> >> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; >>> they focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training >>> and >> equipment. >>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article >>> was sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a >>> cane and only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him >>> indicates its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial >>> vision; not as if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the >>> artificial vision he does have through the camera. >>> >>> I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>> taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its >>> shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid >>> elementary school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I >>> did learn how to use it as well as other alternative techniques from >>> my teacher of the >> vision impaired. >>> Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. >>> Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I >>> was young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no >>> book share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code >>> readers, and scanners were around although not to the efficient >>> degree we have today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want >>> more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some >>> vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the >>> sighted world as I would >> not know how to function. >>> >>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take >>> artificial vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to >>> improve the technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which >>> sends signals to the eyes so the person can see some images. >>> >>> Here it is. >>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-br >>> in g-sight-back-to-blind/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>> com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40 >> gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail. >> com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40 > gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 01:30:55 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:30:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: <5068E758.3090204@gmail.com> References: <006901cd9f6b$05882d20$10988760$@gmail.com> <5068E758.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a201cd9f74$6801e5f0$3805b1d0$@gmail.com> Yep! But NFB's message must also be working, because we're getting a lot of donations! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Sure! These foundations only care about money money money; not only that: they use the psychological of pity to get people to donate. El 30/09/2012 07:23 p.m., Chris Nusbaum escribió: > Hi Arielle, > > I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I also > think it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been totally > blind since birth, meaning that living without sight is the only life I have ever known. > Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be sensory > overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they can't > imagine being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. > > Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to see. I > can't imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would do > things around the house or at school visually. The first few times I > would try to use a computer or an iOS device visually, I would > probably keep using the JAWS keystrokes and VoiceOver gestures, then > get frustrated wondering why the heck these keystrokes and gestures I > had been using for so long were not working anymore. I would > need to learn how to read and write print, which would probably take > me a very long time. This is the same situation that some blind people > face when they suddenly lose all or a large part of their usable > vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I know right > now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the other > hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep > up with my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that > that material is in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a > BRF book from Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would > have to go back to the preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how > to read and write. How would this effect my academic success in high > school? I would think it would adversely effect it. Even now, as I am > trying to imagine the sense of sight, I can't wrap my head around it. > If this makes sense, I don't know what seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to blindness. > > I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you > did for your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have > been blind since birth to those of people who went blind in early > childhood to those of people who went blind as adults. I would predict > that those of us who were born blind would have answers similar to > mine. Conversely, I would think that some of the people who lost their > sight in early childhood as well as most of the people who went blind > in adulthood would take the imagined "magic pill" or use the > artificial vision. I think this is because they have experienced sight > and know what it's like to see, and would probably want their sight > back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us who are > totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since > birth wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. For my part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have described. > However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for > blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research > is done with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is > where groups such as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. > They keep using the image of the helpless blind person as a tool for > fundraising and support. In other words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) this: > "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so > horrible for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to > prevent this, donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure > for the terrible thing that is blindness." They don't say that there > are ways in which blind people can live normal, independent and active > lives. Rather, they try to get sighted people to pity us. I think this > does more harm than good. But that's another subject for another thread. > > These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you > all think? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Hi all, > I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my > honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey > about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how > blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. > One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or > not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision > immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said > they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do > it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who > said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, or > having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. > Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for > a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give > them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any > objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do > think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give > very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead > people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid > like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, > people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more > than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that > Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, > beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him > better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating > his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the > challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without actually having good skills are evident to many of us. > I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for > several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was > extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually > give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I > would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go > through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not > want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have > more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' > thoughts about this. > I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my > blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid > research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it > and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think > that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have > access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is > viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative > press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups > like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these causes. > Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some > people will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited > energy toward finding ways to make life better for those who are blind > rather than wiping out blindness. What do you think? > Arielle > > On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; >> they focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training >> and > equipment. >> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article >> was sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane >> and only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him >> indicates its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial >> vision; not as if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the >> artificial vision he does have through the camera. >> >> I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >> taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its >> shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary >> school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how >> to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of >> the > vision impaired. >> Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. >> Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was >> young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book >> share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, >> and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have >> today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But >> this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good >> thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I >> would > not know how to function. >> >> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals >> to the eyes so the person can see some images. >> >> Here it is. >> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-bri >> n g-sight-back-to-blind/ >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >> com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.c > om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 01:29:38 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:29:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: <5068eaf4.a473ec0a.5719.28c4@mx.google.com> References: <5068eaf4.a473ec0a.5719.28c4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00a101cd9f74$3a0aa010$ae1fe030$@gmail.com> Hi Sophie, I agree. I won't get too religious here, but I do think that everything happens for a reason, and that includes my blindness. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness I agree with Arielle and others on this thread. I have been blind since birth and feel this would be a radical change. I also feel that this could be mentally unbalancing for many blind people. Having such an extreme change could cause more harm than help. I don't want to spend my whole life training to live blind, then get sighted and have to relearn everything. That would be a pain in the neck. Also, taking a magic pill that could restore all my vision goes against my personal beliefs. God made me blind, so I'll stay that way, thanks very much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" I would need to learn how to read and write print, which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same situation that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part of their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I know right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the other hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep up with my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that material is in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to the preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How would this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of sight, I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to blindness. I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you did for your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to those of people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who were born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would think that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as well as most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they have experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably want their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us who are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since birth wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. For my part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have described. However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research is done with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where groups such as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the image of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In other words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) this: "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so horrible for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent this, donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the terrible thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which blind people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try to get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. But that's another subject for another thread. These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you all think? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Hi all, I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without actually having good skills are evident to many of us. I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping out blindness. What do you think? Arielle On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Hi all, I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have through the camera. I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I would not know how to function. If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to the eyes so the person can see some images. Here it is. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may -brin g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 01:33:06 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:33:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness Message-ID: <5068f2fd.e64dec0a.6b77.356b@mx.google.com> Laurel, I'm not trying to be a hater or anything. I respect your opinion even if I don't agree with it. But if you're still going to use blindness-related skills and technology and are not doing it for social reasons, then what's the point of getting some of your vision back? To me, it seems like more of a hindrance than a help, particularly in mental and psychological areas. ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurel wrote: Sure! These foundations only care about money money money; not only that: they use the psychological of pity to get people to donate. El 30/09/2012 07:23 p.m., Chris Nusbaum escribió: Hi Arielle, I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I also think it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been totally blind since birth, meaning that living without sight is the only life I have ever known. Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be sensory overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they can't imagine being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to see. I can't imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would do things around the house or at school visually. The first few times I would try to use a computer or an iOS device visually, I would probably keep using the JAWS keystrokes and VoiceOver gestures, then get frustrated wondering why the heck these keystrokes and gestures I had been using for so long were not working anymore. I would need to learn how to read and write print, which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same situation that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part of their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I know right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the other hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep up with my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that material is in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to the preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How would this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of sight, I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to blindness. I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you did for your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to those of people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who were born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would think that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as well as most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they have experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably want their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us who are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since birth wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. For my part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have described. However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research is done with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where groups such as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the image of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In other words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) this: "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so horrible for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent this, donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the terrible thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which blind people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try to get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. But that's another subject for another thread. These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you all think? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Hi all, I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without actually having good skills are evident to many of us. I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping out blindness. What do you think? Arielle On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Hi all, I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have through the camera. I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I would not know how to function. If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to the eyes so the person can see some images. Here it is. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may -brin g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stocka rd%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From zerone1683 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 01:37:27 2012 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:37:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: <5068eaf4.a473ec0a.5719.28c4@mx.google.com> References: <5068eaf4.a473ec0a.5719.28c4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000c01cd9f75$5139e0b0$f3ada210$@com> Interesting point that you bring up with a biblical touch. God also gave us 4 other senses in addition to sight. It would be nice to be able to see the colorful beauty of nature. But the sound of singing birds, smell of aromatic flowers, and taste of delectable fruit makes up for the difference. Cordially, C.C. Alan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 5:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness I agree with Arielle and others on this thread. I have been blind since birth and feel this would be a radical change. I also feel that this could be mentally unbalancing for many blind people. Having such an extreme change could cause more harm than help. I don't want to spend my whole life training to live blind, then get sighted and have to relearn everything. That would be a pain in the neck. Also, taking a magic pill that could restore all my vision goes against my personal beliefs. God made me blind, so I'll stay that way, thanks very much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" I would need to learn how to read and write print, which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same situation that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part of their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I know right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the other hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep up with my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that material is in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to the preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How would this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of sight, I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to blindness. I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you did for your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to those of people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who were born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would think that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as well as most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they have experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably want their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us who are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since birth wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. For my part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have described. However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research is done with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where groups such as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the image of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In other words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) this: "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so horrible for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent this, donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the terrible thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which blind people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try to get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. But that's another subject for another thread. These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you all think? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Hi all, I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without actually having good skills are evident to many of us. I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping out blindness. What do you think? Arielle On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Hi all, I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have through the camera. I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I would not know how to function. If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to the eyes so the person can see some images. Here it is. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may -brin g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Oct 1 01:44:29 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:44:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: <5068ED22.40409@gmail.com> References: <006901cd9f6b$05882d20$10988760$@gmail.com> <5068E758.3090204@gmail.com> <5068ED22.40409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <638ACC304DC94A7E800DE64C98E30BDD@OwnerPC> Gerado, Yes, that is Michael May. He had to relearn to see and did use alternative techniques while still learning to see again. What I mean is he had to learn to process the images and attach meaning to them which takes time. -----Original Message----- From: Gerardo Corripio Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Also have you guys heard the story of this blind guy who had surgery and had to relearn everthing as a sighted person? Even as he learned, he still used his guide dog. What is Michael something? he's the founder of Sendero group I think. El 30/09/2012 07:59 p.m., Laurel escribió: > Ok. Y'all might kill me for saying this, but you wanted our thoughts > on the matter, so here goes. > I am blind from birth, have an artificial left eye and see only > light/dark and colors and some shapes and movement in my right eye. I > read braille and all. If I had the chance to use some form of medical > technology that would improve my vision, even a little but, I'd take > it. While I am extremely comfortable with my identity as a blind > woman, and while I realize that I may never get 20/20 vision, I would > be willing to do anything that would improve my vision slightly. I > realize I may be in the minority in this group, and that most people > might not agree with me, but those are my thoughts. I must also say > that even if my vision improved a little bit, but not very much, I > would not stop using a guide dog or some form of mobility aid like > this gentlemen is doing. I would still utilize any mobility aids that > I would need in order to be safe, and I would still utilize any > blindness related technology, braille, jaws etc, that I might need. > I'm not interested in passing off as a sighted person either and I > realize that with improved vision goes many challenges. I'm not even > trying to argue with that. I'm for being safe and all. All I am > saying, is that if I had the chance to do something that would help > improve my vision, even if it only improved like by 5 percent or so, > I'd strongly consider doing it. Anything helps. > Just my opinion, I totally understand those of you who would disagree > with me. Each man to his own. /smile/ > Laurel > > On 9/30/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >> Sure! These foundations only care about money money money; not only >> that: they use the psychological of pity to get people to donate. >> >> El 30/09/2012 07:23 p.m., Chris Nusbaum escribió: >>> Hi Arielle, >>> >>> I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I also >>> think >>> it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been totally blind >>> since >>> birth, meaning that living without sight is the only life I have ever >>> known. >>> Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be sensory >>> overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they can't imagine >>> being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. >>> >>> Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to see. I >>> can't >>> imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would do things >>> around >>> the house or at school visually. The first few times I would try to use >>> a >>> computer or an iOS device visually, I would probably keep using the JAWS >>> keystrokes and VoiceOver gestures, then get frustrated wondering why the >>> heck these keystrokes and gestures I had been using for so long were not >>> working anymore. I would need to learn how to read and write >>> print, >>> which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same >>> situation >>> that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part >>> of >>> their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I >>> know >>> right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the >>> other >>> hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep up >>> with >>> my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that material >>> is >>> in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from >>> Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to >>> the >>> preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How >>> would >>> this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would >>> adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of >>> sight, >>> I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what >>> seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used >>> to >>> blindness. >>> >>> I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you did >>> for >>> your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind >>> since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to >>> those >>> of >>> people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who >>> were >>> born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would think >>> that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as well >>> as >>> most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined >>> "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they >>> have >>> experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably >>> want >>> their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us >>> who >>> are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since >>> birth >>> wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. For >>> my >>> part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have >>> described. >>> However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for >>> blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research is >>> done >>> with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where groups >>> such >>> as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the >>> image >>> of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In >>> other >>> words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) >>> this: >>> "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so >>> horrible >>> for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent >>> this, >>> donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the terrible >>> thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which >>> blind >>> people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try >>> to >>> get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. >>> But >>> that's another subject for another thread. >>> >>> These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you >>> all >>> think? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors >>> thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six >>> years >>> ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt >>> about the prospect of having their sight restored. >>> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not >>> one >>> would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with >>> no >>> risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. >>> While >>> most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority >>> (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns >>> about >>> losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new >>> sense >>> and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. >>> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for >>> a >>> sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them >>> most >>> or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the >>> technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a >>> problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision >>> become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the >>> article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of >>> using >>> very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures >>> could >>> actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the >>> article, >>> I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from >>> the >>> artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. >>> Instead, >>> it >>> makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at >>> navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think >>> the >>> challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without >>> actually >>> having good skills are evident to many of us. >>> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >>> several >>> reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was >>> extensively >>> tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full >>> functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it >>> because >>> I >>> am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is >>> absolutely >>> medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on >>> hold >>> to >>> learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want >>> to >>> support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' >>> thoughts about this. >>> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my blood >>> to >>> a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on >>> genetic >>> treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am >>> mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could >>> legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who >>> live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other >>> hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often >>> propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or >>> Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these >>> causes. >>> Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some >>> people >>> will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy >>> toward >>> finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than >>> wiping >>> out blindness. What do you think? >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >>>> focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and >>> equipment. >>>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >>>> sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and >>>> only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates >>>> its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as >>>> if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision >>>> he does have through the camera. >>>> >>>> I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>>> taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its >>>> shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary >>>> school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how >>>> to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of >>>> the >>> vision impaired. >>>> Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. >>>> Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was >>>> young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book >>>> share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, >>>> and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have >>>> today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But >>>> this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good >>>> thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I would >>> not know how to function. >>>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >>>> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >>>> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals >>>> to the eyes so the person can see some images. >>>> >>>> Here it is. >>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-brin >>>> g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>>> com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 01:53:54 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:53:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] MusicDock: an accessible alternative to the Sirius XM app for iOS (fun) In-Reply-To: <001101cd9de0$43b51b30$cb1f5190$@gmail.com> References: <001101cd9de0$43b51b30$cb1f5190$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Chris! This sounds amazing! I used to be a XM subscriber a long time ago. I have a question, are all the channels that you can get on your standard XM receiver also available in an online package or are there only certain channels you can get online. I don't remember. I really wanna subscribe to XM radio again, and if I do I'll remember this and get this app for sure. Thanks for telling us about it! That's really helpful info. Laurel On 9/28/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > Those of us who are on the Accessible iOS list and the NFB NABS list have > recently been talking about apps that we find to be especially useful, fun, > interesting and (most importantly) accessible. So, I thought I would add to > the discussion by describing one of my favorite iOS apps, which I think is > largely not known in the community of blind iOS users. As some of you know, > I have been a subscriber to Sirius XM Satelite Radio for about 3 years now, > and have always wanted a way to listen to my favorite channels when I'm > away > from home and my Sirius receiver. Although I still haven't found an > accessible way to do this on the PC, I have found a way to do it on my iPod > Touch! The app is called MusicDock, and it is an accessible alternative to > the Sirius XM app for iOS, which (at least in the US) is inaccessible with > VoiceOver. > > > > The app can be downloaded for free in the app store and is very easy to set > up. Once you have downloaded and installed the app, a log-in screen will > appear the first time you open the app. On this screen, you are required to > type in the username and password for your Sirius XM account. Please note > here that you must have a current Sirius XM subscription with Internet > radio > enabled in order for MusicDock to work. Otherwise, you can't access the > streams of the channels and MusicDock will not let you log into and use it. > Once you have entered your Sirius XM username and password, a one-finger > flick right will bring you to a login button. Double tap on this button and > (assuming your username and password are valid) you will be logged into the > app and can now listen to all Sirius XM channels on your iOS device. > > > > It is also very easy to find and listen to a channel using MusicDock. When > you first log into the app, if you scroll down the screen you will hear a > list of categories; pop, rock, country, news/talk, sports, etc. These are > the categories that Sirius XM channels are grouped into. Double tapping on > one of these categories will bring up a list of channels that are in that > category. Scroll down the screen by either touching or flicking to the > right > to find the channel you want to listen to, then double tap on the name of > the channel to tell MusicDock to load the stream. Within seconds, the > stream > will load and you will hear what is on the channel you selectet. For those > of you who use the TuneIn Radio app to listen to terrestrial (local) radio > stations, finding a channel with MusicDock is very similar to finding a > station on TuneIn. > > > > If you don't want to list your channels by category, there are other > options > as well. Like a lot of iOS apps, MusicDock has 5 tabs at the bottom of the > screen where you can change what you are viewing or which part of the app > you are in. Here are the 5 tabs in order from left to right, with > descriptions of what each one does in parentheses: categories tab (lists > channels by category; double tapping on a category will bring up a list of > channels,) channels tab (brings up a list of all the channels; double tap > on > the name of a channel to listen to it,) favorites tab (shows your > favorites, > or presets; double tap as always on a channel to listen to it,) play tab > (shows channels you have recently played,) and settings tab (shows your > settings for MusicDock; you can change these if you'd like, but I have mine > at the defaults and it's working very well for me.) Below the play tab, > there is a button that VoiceOver will read as "tab bar play (or stop if you > are currently listening to a channel) button. Double tapping on this button > will play or pause the selected channel. A two-finger double tap will also > work for this. > > > > I mentioned the favorites tab earlier. Another nice feature > of MusicDock is the "favorites" feature, which allows you to put all the > channels you listen to the most in one easy-to-get-to list, like setting > presets on a radio. To add a channel to your favorites, scroll down the > screen while you are listening to the channel you want to add until you > come > to what VoiceOver will read as the "favorite off" button. If you double tap > on this button, the button label will change and VoiceOver will say > "favorite selected button." Once you have done this, all you have to do to > access a channel you've added to your favorites is to double tap on the > favorites tab at the bottom of the screen, scroll until you find the > channel > you want, and double tap to listen to it. > > > > I hope this description and tutorial help some of you who > might be interested. MusicDock is certainly one of my favorite apps and one > that I use regularly. If you have any questions about this app, please let > me know. I hope you enjoy MusicDock if you choose to download it. Happy > listening! > > > > Chris Nusbaum > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 02:00:30 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:00:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: References: <5068eaf4.a473ec0a.5719.28c4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, This is an interesting topic, and I have to say that I'm torn on this issue. While I would truly want to experience being able to drive, and the independence that comes with it, that's about the only major benefit that restoring vision would have for me. And yet, that's no small thing. There are some days when I really hate not being able to drive, since I live in a rural area and really can't do much of anything independently due to the fact there's no public transportation, or even Paratransit service. I can imagine how utterly exhilerating it would be to get behind the wheel of my car and race away to parts unknown, or even just to stroll confidently into a store, pick out what I want without any help, get back in my car and go home. I've always been a bit of a loner, and it took me a very long time to overcome a near social phobia in which I literally couldn't approach strangers in those kinds of situations without having panic attacks. I still don't like doing it, but I've realized that being an adult carries responsibilities, and one of those is to swallow your emotions and do things that make you uncomfortable, because that's how you succeed. A lot of times, people tell me I'm not missing anything, that worries about gas prices, car repairs, and insurance are enough to drive some people over the edge. But I always say that they're looking at what they believe to be the greener grass on the other side of the fence, as am I, and neither of us is right or wrong, we're just experiencing things differently. Having said that, while just that thought alone is enough to almost make me go through with such a procedure if it were to exist, there's an equal part of my mind that has serious reservations. For one thing, we have no idea what is involved with processing sight. Who's to say that opening our eyes after surgery for the first time wouldn't cause such an overwhelming sensory reaction that our brains would simply shut down? I have a close friend who lost his sight to cancer when he was 3. When he and I were discussing this topic recently, he told me that it wouldn't have to happen that way. All you would have to do is focus solely on things like picture books and other things that young children use to learn to read and to distinguish images. However, although it really was a good idea, the truth of the matter is that you wouldn't be looking at these books 24-7. As I described it to my friend, the first thing you're going to do when you open your eyes isn't to pick up a book. You're going to take in your surroundings--the color of the wallpaper, the lamp beside you on the nightstand, the pattern and color of your bed covers, even the scenery outside the window--this couldn't be helped, and that alone, in my opinion, could be enough to cause an extreme reaction. I think someone mentioned the movie At First Sight. I'm sure we've all seen it, and that paints a pretty grim picture of sight restoration. I think the reality would be much harder. Then there's the procedures themselves. I would seriously hope that sight restoration would not come in the form of a "magic pill." That sounds awfully sketchy to me. What would be the long-term effects of a drug that could rewire your brain, or even cause your retinas or optic nerves or whatever is malfunctioning to suddenly spring into action after lying dormant for months, years, or even a lifetime? What would happen if you forgot to take it every day? There are side effects, effectiveness rates, and all sorts of other things to worry about. Surgery seems a bit more promising, but I know there are people who are wary of that as well. I guess, however, that it would have to be one thing or the other, and I'll have to cross that bridge when I come to it. Finally, someone was mentioning the Foundation Fighting Blindness and other such organizations. Don't be too hard on them. Maybe portraying helpless blind people isn't morally sound, but it does bring in money, sadly. It's like those commercials that you see where they beg you to send money to starving children or abused animals. They play up how destitute and deplorable the situations are for those people and animals for a reason: to play with people's emotions, to break their hearts, because a strong emotional reaction will goad donators into action. It's just a part of human nature, so you can't really blame any organization for picking up on that and using it to their advantage. On 9/30/12, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: > I agree with Ariel as well. > I have been blind since birth and think I would be confused with the way > things work as a sighted person. > I think the adjustment would take a while. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Sophie Trist > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > I agree with Arielle and others on this thread. I have been blind > since birth and feel this would be a radical change. I also feel > that this could be mentally unbalancing for many blind people. > Having such an extreme change could cause more harm than help. I > don't want to spend my whole life training to live blind, then > get sighted and have to relearn everything. That would be a pain > in the neck. Also, taking a magic pill that could restore all my > vision goes against my personal beliefs. God made me blind, so > I'll stay that way, thanks very much. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:23:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Hi Arielle, > > I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I > also think > it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been totally > blind since > birth, meaning that living without sight is the only life I have > ever known. > Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be > sensory > overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they can't > imagine > being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. > > Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to > see. I can't > imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would do > things around > the house or at school visually. The first few times I would try > to use a > computer or an iOS device visually, I would probably keep using > the JAWS > keystrokes and VoiceOver gestures, then get frustrated wondering > why the > heck these keystrokes and gestures I had been using for so long > were not > working anymore. I would need to learn how to read and > write print, > which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same > situation > that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a > large part of > their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only > print I know > right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On > the other > hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily > keep up with > my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that > material is > in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book > from > Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go > back to the > preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and > write. How would > this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it > would > adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the > sense of sight, > I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know > what > seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten > used to > blindness. > > I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one > you did for > your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been > blind > since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood > to those of > people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us > who were > born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I > would think > that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood > as well as > most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the > imagined > "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is > because they have > experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would > probably want > their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those > of us who > are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind > since birth > wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want > it. For my > part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have > described. > However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a > cure for > blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the > research is done > with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where > groups such > as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using > the image > of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and > support. In other > words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't > say it) this: > "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be > so horrible > for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to > prevent this, > donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the > terrible > thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in > which blind > people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, > they try to > get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than > good. But > that's another subject for another thread. > > These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do > you all > think? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Hi all, > I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my > honors > thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about > six years > ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind > people felt > about the prospect of having their sight restored. > One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether > or not one > would take a magic pill that would restore full vision > immediately with no > risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do > it. While > most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial > minority > (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited > concerns about > losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a > new sense > and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. > Another finding from the survey was that most people said in > order for a > sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to > give them most > or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection > to the > technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could > be a > problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary > vision > become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man > in the > article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor > of using > very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these > procedures could > actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on > the article, > I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any > independence from the > artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. > Instead, it > makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse > at > navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. > I think the > challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" > without actually > having good skills are evident to many of us. > I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, > for several > reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was > extensively > tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me > full > functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do > it because I > am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is > absolutely > medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life > on hold to > learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much > I want to > support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know > others' > thoughts about this. > I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send > my blood to > a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research > on genetic > treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this > point I am > mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could > legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology > or who > live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the > other > hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is > often > propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America > or > Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support > these causes. > Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, > some people > will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited > energy toward > finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather > than wiping > out blindness. What do you think? > Arielle > > On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low > vision; they > focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training > and > equipment. > But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation > Fighting > Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. > The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the > article was > sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a > cane and > only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him > indicates > its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; > not as > if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial > vision > he does have through the camera. > > I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to > be > taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized > its > shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid > elementary > school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn > how > to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my > teacher of the > vision impaired. > Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. > Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when > I was > young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no > book > share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code > readers, > and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we > have > today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more > vision. But > this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a > good > thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as > I would > not know how to function. > > > If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take > artificial > vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve > the > technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends > signals > to the eyes so the person can see some images. > > Here it is. > > http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may > -brin > g-sight-back-to-blind/ > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Oct 1 02:00:31 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:00:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: References: <006901cd9f6b$05882d20$10988760$@gmail.com><5068E758.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: Laurel, Makes sense. I'm not sure what I'd do. I think getting full sight would be too overwelming, but I might take something to improve my vision. If I did opt for a treatment to obtain some more usable vision, like you, I'd certainly still use alternative techniques. I am never going to try and pass; I'd put my safety first. I think that guy in the story was nuts to walk around outside without a cane given the limited nature of what he saw. He was lucky he did not get hurt. And then, he probably used blindness skills at work such as a screen reader because that artificial vision could not help him read documents. What mixed messages that would send. What I think would be very helpful about having better vision is being able to read print comfortabily. I have tunnel vision now and can read some signs but not the other info as I walk around; well, sometimes I can read a directory as I walk into a building depending on the lighting and size. Anyway, things like bus schedules, brochures, magazines, menus outside restaurants, and ads in the community as I walk around are not available to me. This assists in learning about the world from seeing an ad about a product, to the new restaurant menu outside the door, to the brochure or tourbook about the city. I'd really like to avail myself of such info; sure I can take a booklet or menu or whatever and scan it at home, but its not the same as instant access. So, I think this would be a huge advantage to regaining more vision. Unlike those of you who wrote in, I have some vision, so I'm used to seeing some things and can even read print. If I still needed a cane, I'd sure use it. But I'd also have the other visual info available to me such as signs and landmarks which would aid me in both learning about the surroundings and getting around. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Laurel Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Ok. Y'all might kill me for saying this, but you wanted our thoughts on the matter, so here goes. I am blind from birth, have an artificial left eye and see only light/dark and colors and some shapes and movement in my right eye. I read braille and all. If I had the chance to use some form of medical technology that would improve my vision, even a little but, I'd take it. While I am extremely comfortable with my identity as a blind woman, and while I realize that I may never get 20/20 vision, I would be willing to do anything that would improve my vision slightly. I realize I may be in the minority in this group, and that most people might not agree with me, but those are my thoughts. I must also say that even if my vision improved a little bit, but not very much, I would not stop using a guide dog or some form of mobility aid like this gentlemen is doing. I would still utilize any mobility aids that I would need in order to be safe, and I would still utilize any blindness related technology, braille, jaws etc, that I might need. I'm not interested in passing off as a sighted person either and I realize that with improved vision goes many challenges. I'm not even trying to argue with that. I'm for being safe and all. All I am saying, is that if I had the chance to do something that would help improve my vision, even if it only improved like by 5 percent or so, I'd strongly consider doing it. Anything helps. Just my opinion, I totally understand those of you who would disagree with me. Each man to his own. /smile/ Laurel On 9/30/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > Sure! These foundations only care about money money money; not only > that: they use the psychological of pity to get people to donate. > > El 30/09/2012 07:23 p.m., Chris Nusbaum escribió: >> Hi Arielle, >> >> I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I also >> think >> it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been totally blind >> since >> birth, meaning that living without sight is the only life I have ever >> known. >> Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be sensory >> overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they can't imagine >> being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. >> >> Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to see. I >> can't >> imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would do things >> around >> the house or at school visually. The first few times I would try to use a >> computer or an iOS device visually, I would probably keep using the JAWS >> keystrokes and VoiceOver gestures, then get frustrated wondering why the >> heck these keystrokes and gestures I had been using for so long were not >> working anymore. I would need to learn how to read and write >> print, >> which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same situation >> that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part >> of >> their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I >> know >> right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the >> other >> hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep up >> with >> my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that material >> is >> in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from >> Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to >> the >> preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How >> would >> this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would >> adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of >> sight, >> I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what >> seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to >> blindness. >> >> I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you did >> for >> your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind >> since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to those >> of >> people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who >> were >> born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would think >> that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as well >> as >> most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined >> "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they >> have >> experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably want >> their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us >> who >> are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since >> birth >> wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. For >> my >> part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have >> described. >> However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for >> blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research is >> done >> with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where groups >> such >> as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the >> image >> of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In >> other >> words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) >> this: >> "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so >> horrible >> for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent this, >> donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the terrible >> thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which >> blind >> people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try to >> get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. But >> that's another subject for another thread. >> >> These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you all >> think? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >> >> Hi all, >> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors >> thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six >> years >> ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt >> about the prospect of having their sight restored. >> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not >> one >> would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with >> no >> risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. >> While >> most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority >> (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns about >> losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new >> sense >> and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. >> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for a >> sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them >> most >> or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the >> technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a >> problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision >> become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the >> article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of using >> very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures >> could >> actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the >> article, >> I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from >> the >> artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, >> it >> makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at >> navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think >> the >> challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without >> actually >> having good skills are evident to many of us. >> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >> several >> reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was extensively >> tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full >> functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it >> because >> I >> am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is >> absolutely >> medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on hold >> to >> learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want >> to >> support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' >> thoughts about this. >> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my blood >> to >> a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on >> genetic >> treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am >> mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could >> legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who >> live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other >> hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often >> propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or >> Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these >> causes. >> Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some >> people >> will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy >> toward >> finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than >> wiping >> out blindness. What do you think? >> Arielle >> >> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >>> focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and >> equipment. >>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >>> sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and >>> only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates >>> its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as >>> if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision >>> he does have through the camera. >>> >>> I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>> taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its >>> shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary >>> school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how >>> to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of the >> vision impaired. >>> Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. >>> Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was >>> young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book >>> share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, >>> and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have >>> today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But >>> this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good >>> thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I would >> not know how to function. >>> >>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >>> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >>> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals >>> to the eyes so the person can see some images. >>> >>> Here it is. >>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-brin >>> g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>> com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Oct 1 02:17:28 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:17:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arielle, That is my reaction too. It made Mr. Lloyd able to pass as sighted, but his vision was so fuzzy that it really did not help him act like a sighted person. Want to bet that when he got to work, he had to use jaws or other adaptive tools to do his work? His vision simply was not at that point to read print and use a computer to function as sighted at work. I share your concern that those getting treatment to restore some vision would give up proven blindness techniques in favor of the rudimentary vision and therefore they would struggle more than they were as a blind person. I am not sure if I'd take treatment to get all vision. I think it would be such a psychological and physical adjustment. I'd have to really weigh the pros and cons if such a thing were avaiable; I'd also consider any side effects such treatment had. One benefit to having more vision is the ability to read; if my vision were say 20/100 I might be able to read more easily without fatigue. I'd only need some magnification and I'd be able to read pretty well. I often wondered what it would be like to walk into a hotel and be able to pick up those brochures about local events, read the restaurant menu as I pass by, pick up a local newspaper from the concierge, and then go up to my room and read the tv listings on screen. I would have a very different experience. Oh, and I'd be able to read the labels on the shampoo and lotion, and not have to ask someone. I can see the colors, but they are often the same color, so still have to ask. I do not want to put cream in my hair! Anyway, it’s a complex topic and I suspect that as treatment comes available, some will take it while others will not. Those that do not will opt out for many of the reasons articulated here. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Hi all, I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without actually having good skills are evident to many of us. I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping out blindness. What do you think? Arielle On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I know NFB doesn’t focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they > focus > on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. > But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting > Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. > The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was > sure > taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only > relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its hard > to > focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims > its > perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have through > the camera. > > I’ve had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be taught > braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; > so > I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in > O&M > was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other > alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. > Therefore, I’m adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques > will > also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no > digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to > download > books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although > not > to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I’m not > sure > I’d want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some > vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the > sighted > world as I would not know how to function. > > > If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial > vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the > technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to > the > eyes so the person can see some images. > > Here it is. > http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-bring-sight-back-to-blind/ > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 02:32:38 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:32:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ashley, That's a good point about restaurant menus and brochures, but technology is improving in regards to that. I was just reading about the new Braille Plus which is made by APH, and how it's going to be running Android, so will be an extremely powerful note taker. I bring this up because it also includes a camera, and it said that something like that could be used for scanning menus and other things like you described. I'm not sure if it's going to be able to do bar code scanning. Perhaps so, considering that you're supposed to be able to download Android aps, but since I'm pretty unfamiliar with the Android OS, I'm not sure if there is one for bar code scanning yet. Anyway, this is a big step up for people who don't want to use touch screens but desire some of the things you describe, since I know the IPhone can do this stuff too, but some people have their reasons for not wanting to use touch screens. On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Arielle, > That is my reaction too. It made Mr. Lloyd able to pass as sighted, but his > > vision was so fuzzy that it really did not help him act like a sighted > person. Want to bet that when he got to work, he had to use jaws or other > adaptive tools to do his work? His vision simply was not at that point to > read print and use a computer to function as sighted at work. > I share your concern that those getting treatment to restore some vision > would give up proven blindness techniques in favor of the rudimentary vision > > and therefore they would struggle more than they were as a blind person. > > I am not sure if I'd take treatment to get all vision. I think it would be > such a psychological and physical adjustment. I'd have to really weigh the > pros and cons if such a thing were avaiable; I'd also consider any side > effects such treatment had. One benefit to having more vision is the ability > > to read; if my vision were say 20/100 I might be able to read more easily > without fatigue. I'd only need some magnification and I'd be able to read > pretty well. I often wondered what it would be like to walk into a hotel and > > be able to pick up those brochures about local events, read the restaurant > menu as I pass by, pick up a local newspaper from the concierge, and then go > > up to my room and read the tv listings on screen. > I would have a very different experience. Oh, and I'd be able to read the > labels on the shampoo and lotion, and not have to ask someone. I can see the > > colors, but they are often the same color, so still have to ask. I do not > want to put cream in my hair! > > Anyway, it’s a complex topic and I suspect that as treatment comes > available, some will take it while others will not. Those that do not will > opt out for many of the reasons articulated here. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Hi all, > I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my > honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey > about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how > blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. > One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or > not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision > immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said > they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do > it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who > said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, > or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away > from their quality of life. > Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for > a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give > them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any > objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do > think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give > very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead > people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid > like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, > people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more > than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that > Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, > beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him > better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating > his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the > challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without > actually having good skills are evident to many of us. > I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for > several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was > extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually > give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I > would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go > through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not > want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have > more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on > curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. > I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my > blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid > research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it > and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think > that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have > access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is > viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative > press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups > like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, > making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe > that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to > be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding > ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping > out blindness. What do you think? > Arielle > > On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I know NFB doesn’t focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >> focus >> on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. >> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >> sure >> taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only >> relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its hard >> >> to >> focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims >> its >> perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have >> through >> the camera. >> >> I’ve had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be taught >> braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; >> so >> I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in >> O&M >> was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other >> alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. >> Therefore, I’m adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques >> will >> also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no >> digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to >> download >> books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although >> not >> to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I’m not >> sure >> I’d want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some >> vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the >> sighted >> world as I would not know how to function. >> >> >> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to >> the >> eyes so the person can see some images. >> >> Here it is. >> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-bring-sight-back-to-blind/ >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Oct 1 02:44:30 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:44:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78BE23471CAC4B0D9F0D945BCDD0BB45@OwnerPC> Desiree, Thanks for the info. So when is the braille plus coming out? Then, how much will this cost? I hope less than human ware and freedom scientific charge. You're right it will be able to scan documents. But you still would have to have this thing in a paper form to scan it. Many information literacy things I speak of are not something you can handle, but are things you simply look at as a pedestrian or traveler traveling by. But, still, I think this is a big step in bringing us information literacy the sighted people have; many things are able to be handled after all. Restaurants have paper menus for people to look at for take out food. Most brochures and tourbooks you can grab and would be scannable. I'll research the braille plus. I did not know APH was remaking that product and coming out with a new version. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Hi Ashley, That's a good point about restaurant menus and brochures, but technology is improving in regards to that. I was just reading about the new Braille Plus which is made by APH, and how it's going to be running Android, so will be an extremely powerful note taker. I bring this up because it also includes a camera, and it said that something like that could be used for scanning menus and other things like you described. I'm not sure if it's going to be able to do bar code scanning. Perhaps so, considering that you're supposed to be able to download Android aps, but since I'm pretty unfamiliar with the Android OS, I'm not sure if there is one for bar code scanning yet. Anyway, this is a big step up for people who don't want to use touch screens but desire some of the things you describe, since I know the IPhone can do this stuff too, but some people have their reasons for not wanting to use touch screens. On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Arielle, > That is my reaction too. It made Mr. Lloyd able to pass as sighted, but > his > > vision was so fuzzy that it really did not help him act like a sighted > person. Want to bet that when he got to work, he had to use jaws or other > adaptive tools to do his work? His vision simply was not at that point to > read print and use a computer to function as sighted at work. > I share your concern that those getting treatment to restore some vision > would give up proven blindness techniques in favor of the rudimentary > vision > > and therefore they would struggle more than they were as a blind person. > > I am not sure if I'd take treatment to get all vision. I think it would be > such a psychological and physical adjustment. I'd have to really weigh the > pros and cons if such a thing were avaiable; I'd also consider any side > effects such treatment had. One benefit to having more vision is the > ability > > to read; if my vision were say 20/100 I might be able to read more easily > without fatigue. I'd only need some magnification and I'd be able to read > pretty well. I often wondered what it would be like to walk into a hotel > and > > be able to pick up those brochures about local events, read the restaurant > menu as I pass by, pick up a local newspaper from the concierge, and then > go > > up to my room and read the tv listings on screen. > I would have a very different experience. Oh, and I'd be able to read the > labels on the shampoo and lotion, and not have to ask someone. I can see > the > > colors, but they are often the same color, so still have to ask. I do not > want to put cream in my hair! > > Anyway, it’s a complex topic and I suspect that as treatment comes > available, some will take it while others will not. Those that do not will > opt out for many of the reasons articulated here. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Hi all, > I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my > honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey > about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how > blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. > One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or > not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision > immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said > they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do > it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who > said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, > or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away > from their quality of life. > Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for > a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give > them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any > objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do > think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give > very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead > people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid > like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, > people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more > than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that > Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, > beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him > better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating > his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the > challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without > actually having good skills are evident to many of us. > I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for > several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was > extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually > give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I > would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go > through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not > want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have > more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on > curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. > I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my > blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid > research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it > and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think > that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have > access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is > viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative > press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups > like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, > making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe > that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to > be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding > ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping > out blindness. What do you think? > Arielle > > On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I know NFB doesn’t focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >> focus >> on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. >> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >> sure >> taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only >> relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its hard >> >> to >> focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims >> its >> perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have >> through >> the camera. >> >> I’ve had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be taught >> braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; >> so >> I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in >> O&M >> was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other >> alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. >> Therefore, I’m adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques >> will >> also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no >> digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to >> download >> books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although >> not >> to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I’m not >> sure >> I’d want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some >> vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the >> sighted >> world as I would not know how to function. >> >> >> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to >> the >> eyes so the person can see some images. >> >> Here it is. >> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-bring-sight-back-to-blind/ >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From gera1027 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 02:48:16 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:48:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: <638ACC304DC94A7E800DE64C98E30BDD@OwnerPC> References: <006901cd9f6b$05882d20$10988760$@gmail.com> <5068E758.3090204@gmail.com> <5068ED22.40409@gmail.com> <638ACC304DC94A7E800DE64C98E30BDD@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <2669C3D2-6A9D-4FF4-B054-436CEF63CD7F@gmail.com> That's what hit me as I read his book some years ago: how he used his alternative techniques to help along the way. If some day I were regain sight, I'd use these techniques. Good Mike wrote his story whose title cannot recall. I'd really recomend giving it a read; it's really interesting! Enviado desde mi iPhone El 30/09/2012, a las 20:44, "Ashley Bramlett" escribió: > Gerado, > Yes, that is Michael May. He had to relearn to see and did use alternative techniques while still learning to see again. What I mean is he had to learn to process the images and attach meaning to them which takes time. > > -----Original Message----- From: Gerardo Corripio > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Also have you guys heard the story of this blind guy who had surgery > and had to relearn everthing as a sighted person? Even as he learned, he > still used his guide dog. What is Michael something? he's the founder of > Sendero group I think. > > El 30/09/2012 07:59 p.m., Laurel escribió: >> Ok. Y'all might kill me for saying this, but you wanted our thoughts >> on the matter, so here goes. >> I am blind from birth, have an artificial left eye and see only >> light/dark and colors and some shapes and movement in my right eye. I >> read braille and all. If I had the chance to use some form of medical >> technology that would improve my vision, even a little but, I'd take >> it. While I am extremely comfortable with my identity as a blind >> woman, and while I realize that I may never get 20/20 vision, I would >> be willing to do anything that would improve my vision slightly. I >> realize I may be in the minority in this group, and that most people >> might not agree with me, but those are my thoughts. I must also say >> that even if my vision improved a little bit, but not very much, I >> would not stop using a guide dog or some form of mobility aid like >> this gentlemen is doing. I would still utilize any mobility aids that >> I would need in order to be safe, and I would still utilize any >> blindness related technology, braille, jaws etc, that I might need. >> I'm not interested in passing off as a sighted person either and I >> realize that with improved vision goes many challenges. I'm not even >> trying to argue with that. I'm for being safe and all. All I am >> saying, is that if I had the chance to do something that would help >> improve my vision, even if it only improved like by 5 percent or so, >> I'd strongly consider doing it. Anything helps. >> Just my opinion, I totally understand those of you who would disagree >> with me. Each man to his own. /smile/ >> Laurel >> >> On 9/30/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >>> Sure! These foundations only care about money money money; not only >>> that: they use the psychological of pity to get people to donate. >>> >>> El 30/09/2012 07:23 p.m., Chris Nusbaum escribió: >>>> Hi Arielle, >>>> >>>> I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I also >>>> think >>>> it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been totally blind >>>> since >>>> birth, meaning that living without sight is the only life I have ever >>>> known. >>>> Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be sensory >>>> overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they can't imagine >>>> being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. >>>> >>>> Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to see. I >>>> can't >>>> imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would do things >>>> around >>>> the house or at school visually. The first few times I would try to use a >>>> computer or an iOS device visually, I would probably keep using the JAWS >>>> keystrokes and VoiceOver gestures, then get frustrated wondering why the >>>> heck these keystrokes and gestures I had been using for so long were not >>>> working anymore. I would need to learn how to read and write >>>> print, >>>> which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same situation >>>> that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part >>>> of >>>> their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I >>>> know >>>> right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the >>>> other >>>> hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep up >>>> with >>>> my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that material >>>> is >>>> in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from >>>> Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to >>>> the >>>> preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How >>>> would >>>> this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would >>>> adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of >>>> sight, >>>> I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what >>>> seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used to >>>> blindness. >>>> >>>> I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you did >>>> for >>>> your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind >>>> since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to those >>>> of >>>> people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who >>>> were >>>> born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would think >>>> that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as well >>>> as >>>> most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined >>>> "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they >>>> have >>>> experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably want >>>> their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us >>>> who >>>> are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since >>>> birth >>>> wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. For >>>> my >>>> part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have >>>> described. >>>> However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for >>>> blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research is >>>> done >>>> with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where groups >>>> such >>>> as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the >>>> image >>>> of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In >>>> other >>>> words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) >>>> this: >>>> "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so >>>> horrible >>>> for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent this, >>>> donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the terrible >>>> thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which >>>> blind >>>> people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try to >>>> get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. But >>>> that's another subject for another thread. >>>> >>>> These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you all >>>> think? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Arielle Silverman >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors >>>> thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six >>>> years >>>> ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people felt >>>> about the prospect of having their sight restored. >>>> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not >>>> one >>>> would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with >>>> no >>>> risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. >>>> While >>>> most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority >>>> (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns about >>>> losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new >>>> sense >>>> and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. >>>> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for a >>>> sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them >>>> most >>>> or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the >>>> technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a >>>> problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision >>>> become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the >>>> article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of using >>>> very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures >>>> could >>>> actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the >>>> article, >>>> I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from >>>> the >>>> artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, >>>> it >>>> makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at >>>> navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think >>>> the >>>> challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without >>>> actually >>>> having good skills are evident to many of us. >>>> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >>>> several >>>> reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was extensively >>>> tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full >>>> functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it because >>>> I >>>> am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is >>>> absolutely >>>> medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on hold >>>> to >>>> learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want >>>> to >>>> support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' >>>> thoughts about this. >>>> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my blood >>>> to >>>> a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on >>>> genetic >>>> treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am >>>> mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could >>>> legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or who >>>> live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other >>>> hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often >>>> propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or >>>> Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these >>>> causes. >>>> Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some >>>> people >>>> will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy >>>> toward >>>> finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than >>>> wiping >>>> out blindness. What do you think? >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >>>>> focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and >>>> equipment. >>>>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>>>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>>>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >>>>> sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and >>>>> only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates >>>>> its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as >>>>> if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision >>>>> he does have through the camera. >>>>> >>>>> I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>>>> taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its >>>>> shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary >>>>> school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how >>>>> to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of the >>>> vision impaired. >>>>> Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. >>>>> Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was >>>>> young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book >>>>> share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, >>>>> and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have >>>>> today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But >>>>> this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good >>>>> thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I would >>>> not know how to function. >>>>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >>>>> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >>>>> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals >>>>> to the eyes so the person can see some images. >>>>> >>>>> Here it is. >>>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-brin >>>>> g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>>>> com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 02:51:04 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:51:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I could fully obtain my vision, I might. What I meant by "still using blindness technology and mobility tools" was that if I ever were to have my sight improved via a medical procedure, I would not assume that just because my sight has changed for the better means I still don't need help, like mobility help. I would probably have an outside source, like an O&M person that I fully trust, help me look at what my vision was like and then help me judge what mobility aids I might need. I don't think what the gentlemen in the article is doing is safe. While he may be able to see images easier, which I would love to do, it doesn't necessarily mean he can get around any better, or that his vision is more functional when it comes to mobility, or print reading etc. If my vision were somehow to improve, and via a thorough assessment by V.I. professionals and people who would know, it was clear that my vision was good enough to for example read large print, then my methods for doing things might change. I spose all I'm saying is that yes, I would do anything to improve the vision I have, but at the same time, just because my vision might be improved doesn't mean I should through any blindness skills, technology, mobility aids etc out the window. I think with any vision change, be it for the better or for the worse, you should have somebody conduct professional vision tests in order to help assess what your real needs are. This guy in the article probably really needs to have a reality check about his vision, while he can see better, or claims to have improved vision, this does not mean that he can safely get around by himself. This is a really interesting, and thought provoking discussion by the way. I love hearing everybody's opinions on the matter. Laurel On 9/30/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > Hi Ashley, > That's a good point about restaurant menus and brochures, but > technology is improving in regards to that. I was just reading about > the new Braille Plus which is made by APH, and how it's going to be > running Android, so will be an extremely powerful note taker. I bring > this up because it also includes a camera, and it said that something > like that could be used for scanning menus and other things like you > described. I'm not sure if it's going to be able to do bar code > scanning. Perhaps so, considering that you're supposed to be able to > download Android aps, but since I'm pretty unfamiliar with the Android > OS, I'm not sure if there is one for bar code scanning yet. Anyway, > this is a big step up for people who don't want to use touch screens > but desire some of the things you describe, since I know the IPhone > can do this stuff too, but some people have their reasons for not > wanting to use touch screens. > > On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Arielle, >> That is my reaction too. It made Mr. Lloyd able to pass as sighted, but >> his >> >> vision was so fuzzy that it really did not help him act like a sighted >> person. Want to bet that when he got to work, he had to use jaws or other >> adaptive tools to do his work? His vision simply was not at that point to >> read print and use a computer to function as sighted at work. >> I share your concern that those getting treatment to restore some vision >> would give up proven blindness techniques in favor of the rudimentary >> vision >> >> and therefore they would struggle more than they were as a blind person. >> >> I am not sure if I'd take treatment to get all vision. I think it would >> be >> such a psychological and physical adjustment. I'd have to really weigh >> the >> pros and cons if such a thing were avaiable; I'd also consider any side >> effects such treatment had. One benefit to having more vision is the >> ability >> >> to read; if my vision were say 20/100 I might be able to read more easily >> without fatigue. I'd only need some magnification and I'd be able to read >> pretty well. I often wondered what it would be like to walk into a hotel >> and >> >> be able to pick up those brochures about local events, read the >> restaurant >> menu as I pass by, pick up a local newspaper from the concierge, and then >> go >> >> up to my room and read the tv listings on screen. >> I would have a very different experience. Oh, and I'd be able to read the >> labels on the shampoo and lotion, and not have to ask someone. I can see >> the >> >> colors, but they are often the same color, so still have to ask. I do not >> want to put cream in my hair! >> >> Anyway, it’s a complex topic and I suspect that as treatment comes >> available, some will take it while others will not. Those that do not >> will >> opt out for many of the reasons articulated here. >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >> >> Hi all, >> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my >> honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey >> about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how >> blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. >> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or >> not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision >> immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said >> they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do >> it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who >> said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, >> or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away >> from their quality of life. >> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for >> a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give >> them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any >> objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do >> think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give >> very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead >> people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid >> like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, >> people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more >> than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that >> Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, >> beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him >> better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating >> his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the >> challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without >> actually having good skills are evident to many of us. >> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >> several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was >> extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually >> give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I >> would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go >> through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not >> want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have >> more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on >> curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. >> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my >> blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid >> research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it >> and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think >> that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have >> access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is >> viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative >> press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups >> like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, >> making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe >> that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to >> be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding >> ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping >> out blindness. What do you think? >> Arielle >> >> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I know NFB doesn’t focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >>> focus >>> on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. >>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >>> sure >>> taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only >>> relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its >>> hard >>> >>> to >>> focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims >>> its >>> perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have >>> through >>> the camera. >>> >>> I’ve had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>> taught >>> braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; >>> so >>> I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in >>> O&M >>> was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other >>> alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. >>> Therefore, I’m adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques >>> will >>> also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no >>> digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to >>> download >>> books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although >>> not >>> to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I’m not >>> sure >>> I’d want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some >>> vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the >>> sighted >>> world as I would not know how to function. >>> >>> >>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >>> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >>> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to >>> the >>> eyes so the person can see some images. >>> >>> Here it is. >>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-bring-sight-back-to-blind/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Oct 1 02:52:29 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:52:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: <2669C3D2-6A9D-4FF4-B054-436CEF63CD7F@gmail.com> References: <006901cd9f6b$05882d20$10988760$@gmail.com><5068E758.3090204@gmail.com><5068ED22.40409@gmail.com><638ACC304DC94A7E800DE64C98E30BDD@OwnerPC> <2669C3D2-6A9D-4FF4-B054-436CEF63CD7F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6FE4F37AD00C49D595D6F6833A1072B5@OwnerPC> Mike May's book is called Crashing Through; have not read it yet. -----Original Message----- From: Gerardo Corripio Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:48 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness That's what hit me as I read his book some years ago: how he used his alternative techniques to help along the way. If some day I were regain sight, I'd use these techniques. Good Mike wrote his story whose title cannot recall. I'd really recomend giving it a read; it's really interesting! Enviado desde mi iPhone El 30/09/2012, a las 20:44, "Ashley Bramlett" escribió: > Gerado, > Yes, that is Michael May. He had to relearn to see and did use alternative > techniques while still learning to see again. What I mean is he had to > learn to process the images and attach meaning to them which takes time. > > -----Original Message----- From: Gerardo Corripio > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Also have you guys heard the story of this blind guy who had surgery > and had to relearn everthing as a sighted person? Even as he learned, he > still used his guide dog. What is Michael something? he's the founder of > Sendero group I think. > > El 30/09/2012 07:59 p.m., Laurel escribió: >> Ok. Y'all might kill me for saying this, but you wanted our thoughts >> on the matter, so here goes. >> I am blind from birth, have an artificial left eye and see only >> light/dark and colors and some shapes and movement in my right eye. I >> read braille and all. If I had the chance to use some form of medical >> technology that would improve my vision, even a little but, I'd take >> it. While I am extremely comfortable with my identity as a blind >> woman, and while I realize that I may never get 20/20 vision, I would >> be willing to do anything that would improve my vision slightly. I >> realize I may be in the minority in this group, and that most people >> might not agree with me, but those are my thoughts. I must also say >> that even if my vision improved a little bit, but not very much, I >> would not stop using a guide dog or some form of mobility aid like >> this gentlemen is doing. I would still utilize any mobility aids that >> I would need in order to be safe, and I would still utilize any >> blindness related technology, braille, jaws etc, that I might need. >> I'm not interested in passing off as a sighted person either and I >> realize that with improved vision goes many challenges. I'm not even >> trying to argue with that. I'm for being safe and all. All I am >> saying, is that if I had the chance to do something that would help >> improve my vision, even if it only improved like by 5 percent or so, >> I'd strongly consider doing it. Anything helps. >> Just my opinion, I totally understand those of you who would disagree >> with me. Each man to his own. /smile/ >> Laurel >> >> On 9/30/12, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >>> Sure! These foundations only care about money money money; not only >>> that: they use the psychological of pity to get people to donate. >>> >>> El 30/09/2012 07:23 p.m., Chris Nusbaum escribió: >>>> Hi Arielle, >>>> >>>> I agree with you completely, and couldn't have said it better! I also >>>> think >>>> it depends on how long you have been blind. I have been totally blind >>>> since >>>> birth, meaning that living without sight is the only life I have ever >>>> known. >>>> Therefore, if I were to suddenly regain my vision, it would be sensory >>>> overload for me. This is why when people tell me that they can't >>>> imagine >>>> being blind, I reply that I can't imagine being sighted. >>>> >>>> Because I have never had sight, I don't know what it is like to see. I >>>> can't >>>> imagine travelling without a cane. I don't know how I would do things >>>> around >>>> the house or at school visually. The first few times I would try to use >>>> a >>>> computer or an iOS device visually, I would probably keep using the >>>> JAWS >>>> keystrokes and VoiceOver gestures, then get frustrated wondering why >>>> the >>>> heck these keystrokes and gestures I had been using for so long were >>>> not >>>> working anymore. I would need to learn how to read and write >>>> print, >>>> which would probably take me a very long time. This is the same >>>> situation >>>> that some blind people face when they suddenly lose all or a large part >>>> of >>>> their usable vision and are forced to learn Braille. The only print I >>>> know >>>> right now is the letters of my name, but even that is cursive. On the >>>> other >>>> hand, I can read Braille at 170 words per minute and can easily keep up >>>> with >>>> my sighted classmates when reading material, provided that that >>>> material >>>> is >>>> in Braille or an electronic Braille format, such as a BRF book from >>>> Bookshare. If I suddenly regained my vision, I would have to go back to >>>> the >>>> preschool or kindergarten level and relearn how to read and write. How >>>> would >>>> this effect my academic success in high school? I would think it would >>>> adversely effect it. Even now, as I am trying to imagine the sense of >>>> sight, >>>> I can't wrap my head around it. If this makes sense, I don't know what >>>> seeing is. This is because I have never had sight and have gotten used >>>> to >>>> blindness. >>>> >>>> I would be interested, though, to do a survey similar to the one you >>>> did >>>> for >>>> your thesis and compare the answers of blind people who have been blind >>>> since birth to those of people who went blind in early childhood to >>>> those >>>> of >>>> people who went blind as adults. I would predict that those of us who >>>> were >>>> born blind would have answers similar to mine. Conversely, I would >>>> think >>>> that some of the people who lost their sight in early childhood as well >>>> as >>>> most of the people who went blind in adulthood would take the imagined >>>> "magic pill" or use the artificial vision. I think this is because they >>>> have >>>> experienced sight and know what it's like to see, and would probably >>>> want >>>> their sight back if they could have it. However, as I said, those of us >>>> who >>>> are totally blind and especially those of us who have been blind since >>>> birth >>>> wouldn't know what to do with sight, and therefore wouldn't want it. >>>> For >>>> my >>>> part, I don't think I would take the pill for the reasons I have >>>> described. >>>> However, I do think blindness research is a good thing, and a cure for >>>> blindness certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the research is >>>> done >>>> with a positive attitude toward blindness. I think this is where groups >>>> such >>>> as the Foundation Fighting Blindness fall short. They keep using the >>>> image >>>> of the helpless blind person as a tool for fundraising and support. In >>>> other >>>> words, I sometimes think they are implying (even if they don't say it) >>>> this: >>>> "Wouldn't you be devastated if you lost your sight? It would be so >>>> horrible >>>> for you, and you would be left helpless. So, if you want to prevent >>>> this, >>>> donate to our foundation so you can help us find a cure for the >>>> terrible >>>> thing that is blindness." They don't say that there are ways in which >>>> blind >>>> people can live normal, independent and active lives. Rather, they try >>>> to >>>> get sighted people to pity us. I think this does more harm than good. >>>> But >>>> that's another subject for another thread. >>>> >>>> These are just my thoughts, and I hope I am making sense. What do you >>>> all >>>> think? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Arielle Silverman >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors >>>> thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey about six >>>> years >>>> ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how blind people >>>> felt >>>> about the prospect of having their sight restored. >>>> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or not >>>> one >>>> would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with >>>> no >>>> risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said they would do it. >>>> While >>>> most of the participants said they would do it, a substantial minority >>>> (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who said no cited concerns >>>> about >>>> losing their identity as blind people, or having to adjust to a new >>>> sense >>>> and that possibly taking away from their quality of life. >>>> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for >>>> a >>>> sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give them >>>> most >>>> or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the >>>> technology like the Argus II being developed. I do think it could be a >>>> problem, though, if technologies that only give very rudimentary vision >>>> become popularized. They could perhaps lead people like the man in the >>>> article to forego using a proven travel aid like a cane in favor of >>>> using >>>> very rudimentary vision. As a result, people who have these procedures >>>> could >>>> actually end up struggling more than they were before. Based on the >>>> article, >>>> I am not convinced that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from >>>> the >>>> artificial vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. >>>> Instead, >>>> it >>>> makes him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at >>>> navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I >>>> think >>>> the >>>> challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without >>>> actually >>>> having good skills are evident to many of us. >>>> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >>>> several >>>> reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was >>>> extensively >>>> tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually give me full >>>> functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I would do it >>>> because >>>> I >>>> am terrified of surgery and only want to go through that if it is >>>> absolutely >>>> medically necessary, and I do not want to put the rest of my life on >>>> hold >>>> to >>>> learn how to see. I have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want >>>> to >>>> support research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' >>>> thoughts about this. >>>> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my >>>> blood >>>> to >>>> a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on >>>> genetic >>>> treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it and at this point I am >>>> mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think that treatments could >>>> legitimately help some people who don't have access to technology or >>>> who >>>> live in communities where blindness is viewed very poorly. On the other >>>> hand, I am bothered by the negative press about blindness that is often >>>> propagated by cure-oriented groups like Prevent Blindness America or >>>> Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these >>>> causes. >>>> Furthermore, I believe that no matter how good treatments get, some >>>> people >>>> will continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy >>>> toward >>>> finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than >>>> wiping >>>> out blindness. What do you think? >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I know NFB doesn't focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >>>>> focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and >>>> equipment. >>>>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>>>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>>>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >>>>> sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and >>>>> only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates >>>>> its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as >>>>> if he claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision >>>>> he does have through the camera. >>>>> >>>>> I've had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>>>> taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its >>>>> shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary >>>>> school. Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how >>>>> to use it as well as other alternative techniques from my teacher of >>>>> the >>>> vision impaired. >>>>> Therefore, I'm adapting and still learning with what I have. >>>>> Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was >>>>> young, we had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book >>>>> share or any way to download books in braille, no bar code readers, >>>>> and scanners were around although not to the efficient degree we have >>>>> today. So, with all that said, I'm not sure I'd want more vision. But >>>>> this article paints a picture of getting some vision back as a good >>>>> thing. I certainly would not want to enter the sighted world as I >>>>> would >>>> not know how to function. >>>>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >>>>> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >>>>> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals >>>>> to the eyes so the person can see some images. >>>>> >>>>> Here it is. >>>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-brin >>>>> g-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>>>> com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From gera1027 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 03:12:44 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:12:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: <78BE23471CAC4B0D9F0D945BCDD0BB45@OwnerPC> References: <78BE23471CAC4B0D9F0D945BCDD0BB45@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hey Ashlee and list Can't those of us with IPhone already Ocr pamphlets? Sorry for my ignorance, but I've had IPhone alnost 2 months; some things I still don't know. Thanks for info. Enviado desde mi iPhone El 30/09/2012, a las 21:44, "Ashley Bramlett" escribió: > Desiree, > Thanks for the info. So when is the braille plus coming out? Then, how much will this cost? > I hope less than human ware and freedom scientific charge. > > You're right it will be able to scan documents. But you still would have to have this thing in a paper form to scan it. Many information literacy things I speak of are not something you can handle, but are things you simply look at as a pedestrian or traveler traveling by. But, still, I think this is a big step in bringing us information literacy the sighted people have; many things are able to be handled after all. Restaurants have paper menus for people to look at for take out food. Most brochures and tourbooks you can grab and would be scannable. I'll research the braille plus. I did not know APH was remaking that product and coming out with a new version. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Desiree Oudinot > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Hi Ashley, > That's a good point about restaurant menus and brochures, but > technology is improving in regards to that. I was just reading about > the new Braille Plus which is made by APH, and how it's going to be > running Android, so will be an extremely powerful note taker. I bring > this up because it also includes a camera, and it said that something > like that could be used for scanning menus and other things like you > described. I'm not sure if it's going to be able to do bar code > scanning. Perhaps so, considering that you're supposed to be able to > download Android aps, but since I'm pretty unfamiliar with the Android > OS, I'm not sure if there is one for bar code scanning yet. Anyway, > this is a big step up for people who don't want to use touch screens > but desire some of the things you describe, since I know the IPhone > can do this stuff too, but some people have their reasons for not > wanting to use touch screens. > > On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Arielle, >> That is my reaction too. It made Mr. Lloyd able to pass as sighted, but his >> >> vision was so fuzzy that it really did not help him act like a sighted >> person. Want to bet that when he got to work, he had to use jaws or other >> adaptive tools to do his work? His vision simply was not at that point to >> read print and use a computer to function as sighted at work. >> I share your concern that those getting treatment to restore some vision >> would give up proven blindness techniques in favor of the rudimentary vision >> >> and therefore they would struggle more than they were as a blind person. >> >> I am not sure if I'd take treatment to get all vision. I think it would be >> such a psychological and physical adjustment. I'd have to really weigh the >> pros and cons if such a thing were avaiable; I'd also consider any side >> effects such treatment had. One benefit to having more vision is the ability >> >> to read; if my vision were say 20/100 I might be able to read more easily >> without fatigue. I'd only need some magnification and I'd be able to read >> pretty well. I often wondered what it would be like to walk into a hotel and >> >> be able to pick up those brochures about local events, read the restaurant >> menu as I pass by, pick up a local newspaper from the concierge, and then go >> >> up to my room and read the tv listings on screen. >> I would have a very different experience. Oh, and I'd be able to read the >> labels on the shampoo and lotion, and not have to ask someone. I can see the >> >> colors, but they are often the same color, so still have to ask. I do not >> want to put cream in my hair! >> >> Anyway, it’s a complex topic and I suspect that as treatment comes >> available, some will take it while others will not. Those that do not will >> opt out for many of the reasons articulated here. >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >> >> Hi all, >> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my >> honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey >> about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how >> blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. >> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or >> not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision >> immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said >> they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do >> it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who >> said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, >> or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away >> from their quality of life. >> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for >> a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give >> them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any >> objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do >> think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give >> very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead >> people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid >> like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, >> people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more >> than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that >> Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, >> beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him >> better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating >> his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the >> challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without >> actually having good skills are evident to many of us. >> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >> several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was >> extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually >> give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I >> would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go >> through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not >> want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have >> more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on >> curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. >> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my >> blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid >> research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it >> and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think >> that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have >> access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is >> viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative >> press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups >> like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, >> making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe >> that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to >> be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding >> ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping >> out blindness. What do you think? >> Arielle >> >> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I know NFB doesn’t focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >>> focus >>> on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. >>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >>> sure >>> taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only >>> relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its hard >>> >>> to >>> focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims >>> its >>> perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have >>> through >>> the camera. >>> >>> I’ve had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be taught >>> braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; >>> so >>> I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in >>> O&M >>> was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other >>> alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. >>> Therefore, I’m adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques >>> will >>> also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no >>> digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to >>> download >>> books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although >>> not >>> to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I’m not >>> sure >>> I’d want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some >>> vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the >>> sighted >>> world as I would not know how to function. >>> >>> >>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >>> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >>> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to >>> the >>> eyes so the person can see some images. >>> >>> Here it is. >>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-bring-sight-back-to-blind/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Oct 1 04:14:33 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 00:14:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: References: <78BE23471CAC4B0D9F0D945BCDD0BB45@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <526E5DE635A1437E8B37C838FCC8A796@OwnerPC> Gerado, Yes the I phone can OCR documents, but there are some limits on it and I heard its not as accurate as a desk top scanner. -----Original Message----- From: Gerardo Corripio Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:12 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Hey Ashlee and list Can't those of us with IPhone already Ocr pamphlets? Sorry for my ignorance, but I've had IPhone alnost 2 months; some things I still don't know. Thanks for info. Enviado desde mi iPhone El 30/09/2012, a las 21:44, "Ashley Bramlett" escribió: > Desiree, > Thanks for the info. So when is the braille plus coming out? Then, how > much will this cost? > I hope less than human ware and freedom scientific charge. > > You're right it will be able to scan documents. But you still would have > to have this thing in a paper form to scan it. Many information literacy > things I speak of are not something you can handle, but are things you > simply look at as a pedestrian or traveler traveling by. But, still, I > think this is a big step in bringing us information literacy the sighted > people have; many things are able to be handled after all. Restaurants > have paper menus for people to look at for take out food. Most brochures > and tourbooks you can grab and would be scannable. I'll research the > braille plus. I did not know APH was remaking that product and coming out > with a new version. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Desiree Oudinot > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Hi Ashley, > That's a good point about restaurant menus and brochures, but > technology is improving in regards to that. I was just reading about > the new Braille Plus which is made by APH, and how it's going to be > running Android, so will be an extremely powerful note taker. I bring > this up because it also includes a camera, and it said that something > like that could be used for scanning menus and other things like you > described. I'm not sure if it's going to be able to do bar code > scanning. Perhaps so, considering that you're supposed to be able to > download Android aps, but since I'm pretty unfamiliar with the Android > OS, I'm not sure if there is one for bar code scanning yet. Anyway, > this is a big step up for people who don't want to use touch screens > but desire some of the things you describe, since I know the IPhone > can do this stuff too, but some people have their reasons for not > wanting to use touch screens. > > On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Arielle, >> That is my reaction too. It made Mr. Lloyd able to pass as sighted, but >> his >> >> vision was so fuzzy that it really did not help him act like a sighted >> person. Want to bet that when he got to work, he had to use jaws or other >> adaptive tools to do his work? His vision simply was not at that point to >> read print and use a computer to function as sighted at work. >> I share your concern that those getting treatment to restore some vision >> would give up proven blindness techniques in favor of the rudimentary >> vision >> >> and therefore they would struggle more than they were as a blind person. >> >> I am not sure if I'd take treatment to get all vision. I think it would >> be >> such a psychological and physical adjustment. I'd have to really weigh >> the >> pros and cons if such a thing were avaiable; I'd also consider any side >> effects such treatment had. One benefit to having more vision is the >> ability >> >> to read; if my vision were say 20/100 I might be able to read more easily >> without fatigue. I'd only need some magnification and I'd be able to read >> pretty well. I often wondered what it would be like to walk into a hotel >> and >> >> be able to pick up those brochures about local events, read the >> restaurant >> menu as I pass by, pick up a local newspaper from the concierge, and then >> go >> >> up to my room and read the tv listings on screen. >> I would have a very different experience. Oh, and I'd be able to read the >> labels on the shampoo and lotion, and not have to ask someone. I can see >> the >> >> colors, but they are often the same color, so still have to ask. I do not >> want to put cream in my hair! >> >> Anyway, it’s a complex topic and I suspect that as treatment comes >> available, some will take it while others will not. Those that do not >> will >> opt out for many of the reasons articulated here. >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >> >> Hi all, >> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my >> honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey >> about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how >> blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. >> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or >> not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision >> immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said >> they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do >> it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who >> said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, >> or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away >> from their quality of life. >> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for >> a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give >> them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any >> objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do >> think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give >> very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead >> people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid >> like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, >> people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more >> than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that >> Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, >> beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him >> better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating >> his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the >> challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without >> actually having good skills are evident to many of us. >> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >> several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was >> extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually >> give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I >> would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go >> through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not >> want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have >> more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on >> curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. >> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my >> blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid >> research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it >> and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think >> that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have >> access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is >> viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative >> press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups >> like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, >> making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe >> that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to >> be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding >> ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping >> out blindness. What do you think? >> Arielle >> >> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I know NFB doesn’t focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >>> focus >>> on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. >>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >>> sure >>> taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only >>> relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its >>> hard >>> >>> to >>> focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims >>> its >>> perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have >>> through >>> the camera. >>> >>> I’ve had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>> taught >>> braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; >>> so >>> I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in >>> O&M >>> was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other >>> alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. >>> Therefore, I’m adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques >>> will >>> also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no >>> digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to >>> download >>> books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although >>> not >>> to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I’m not >>> sure >>> I’d want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some >>> vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the >>> sighted >>> world as I would not know how to function. >>> >>> >>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >>> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >>> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to >>> the >>> eyes so the person can see some images. >>> >>> Here it is. >>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-bring-sight-back-to-blind/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From kaybaycar at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 04:43:09 2012 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 23:43:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: <526E5DE635A1437E8B37C838FCC8A796@OwnerPC> References: <78BE23471CAC4B0D9F0D945BCDD0BB45@OwnerPC> <526E5DE635A1437E8B37C838FCC8A796@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi all, This is a very interesting topic. I am also torn on the issue, but I think in the end, I would decide not to undergo such a procedure, especially if it would only restore a bit of my sight. I am studying vocal performance, and in the "performance" part of my major, I run into difficulties because I cannot see (and have never seen) gestures, facial expressions, and other nonverbal things. While I do have some vision, it is not usable when watching a performer or looking at facial expressions. It's extremely taxing to explain to people that with a little extra work, and a willing teacher, I can aquire the similar knowledge in these areas as the other students. The restoration of my vision would make all this go away, and sometimes that seems fabulous. But then I think of all the time I'd spend relearning everything: how to interpret visual cues, how to read music, not to mention how to read print in the first place. There are also things I enjoy about what I do. I enjoy working a dog, and I like some of the technology I have. I'm not at all saying that being blind is wonderful because I get to have a dog with me everywhere and get cool devices. I am saying that there are things that I have grown used to that I would have to give up and do without if I had my sight restored. That would be strange to me. On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Gerado, > Yes the I phone can OCR documents, but there are some limits on it and I > heard its not as accurate as a desk top scanner. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerardo Corripio > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Hey Ashlee and list > Can't those of us with IPhone already Ocr pamphlets? Sorry for my ignorance, > but I've had IPhone alnost 2 months; some things I still don't know. > Thanks for info. > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 30/09/2012, a las 21:44, "Ashley Bramlett" > escribió: > >> Desiree, >> Thanks for the info. So when is the braille plus coming out? Then, how >> much will this cost? >> I hope less than human ware and freedom scientific charge. >> >> You're right it will be able to scan documents. But you still would have >> to have this thing in a paper form to scan it. Many information literacy >> things I speak of are not something you can handle, but are things you >> simply look at as a pedestrian or traveler traveling by. But, still, I >> think this is a big step in bringing us information literacy the sighted >> people have; many things are able to be handled after all. Restaurants >> have paper menus for people to look at for take out food. Most brochures >> and tourbooks you can grab and would be scannable. I'll research the >> braille plus. I did not know APH was remaking that product and coming out >> with a new version. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- From: Desiree Oudinot >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:32 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >> >> Hi Ashley, >> That's a good point about restaurant menus and brochures, but >> technology is improving in regards to that. I was just reading about >> the new Braille Plus which is made by APH, and how it's going to be >> running Android, so will be an extremely powerful note taker. I bring >> this up because it also includes a camera, and it said that something >> like that could be used for scanning menus and other things like you >> described. I'm not sure if it's going to be able to do bar code >> scanning. Perhaps so, considering that you're supposed to be able to >> download Android aps, but since I'm pretty unfamiliar with the Android >> OS, I'm not sure if there is one for bar code scanning yet. Anyway, >> this is a big step up for people who don't want to use touch screens >> but desire some of the things you describe, since I know the IPhone >> can do this stuff too, but some people have their reasons for not >> wanting to use touch screens. >> >> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Arielle, >>> That is my reaction too. It made Mr. Lloyd able to pass as sighted, but >>> his >>> >>> vision was so fuzzy that it really did not help him act like a sighted >>> person. Want to bet that when he got to work, he had to use jaws or other >>> adaptive tools to do his work? His vision simply was not at that point to >>> read print and use a computer to function as sighted at work. >>> I share your concern that those getting treatment to restore some vision >>> would give up proven blindness techniques in favor of the rudimentary >>> vision >>> >>> and therefore they would struggle more than they were as a blind person. >>> >>> I am not sure if I'd take treatment to get all vision. I think it would >>> be >>> such a psychological and physical adjustment. I'd have to really weigh >>> the >>> pros and cons if such a thing were avaiable; I'd also consider any side >>> effects such treatment had. One benefit to having more vision is the >>> ability >>> >>> to read; if my vision were say 20/100 I might be able to read more easily >>> without fatigue. I'd only need some magnification and I'd be able to read >>> pretty well. I often wondered what it would be like to walk into a hotel >>> and >>> >>> be able to pick up those brochures about local events, read the >>> restaurant >>> menu as I pass by, pick up a local newspaper from the concierge, and then >>> >>> go >>> >>> up to my room and read the tv listings on screen. >>> I would have a very different experience. Oh, and I'd be able to read the >>> labels on the shampoo and lotion, and not have to ask someone. I can see >>> the >>> >>> colors, but they are often the same color, so still have to ask. I do not >>> want to put cream in my hair! >>> >>> Anyway, it’s a complex topic and I suspect that as treatment comes >>> available, some will take it while others will not. Those that do not >>> will >>> opt out for many of the reasons articulated here. >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my >>> honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey >>> about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how >>> blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. >>> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or >>> not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision >>> immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said >>> they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do >>> it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who >>> said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, >>> or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away >>> from their quality of life. >>> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for >>> a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give >>> them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any >>> objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do >>> think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give >>> very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead >>> people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid >>> like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, >>> people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more >>> than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that >>> Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, >>> beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him >>> better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating >>> his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the >>> challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without >>> actually having good skills are evident to many of us. >>> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >>> several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was >>> extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually >>> give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I >>> would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go >>> through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not >>> want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have >>> more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on >>> curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. >>> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my >>> blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid >>> research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it >>> and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think >>> that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have >>> access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is >>> viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative >>> press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups >>> like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, >>> making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe >>> that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to >>> be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding >>> ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping >>> out blindness. What do you think? >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I know NFB doesn’t focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >>>> focus >>>> on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. >>>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >>>> sure >>>> taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only >>>> relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its >>>> hard >>>> >>>> to >>>> focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims >>>> its >>>> perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have >>>> through >>>> the camera. >>>> >>>> I’ve had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>>> taught >>>> braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; >>>> so >>>> I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in >>>> O&M >>>> was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other >>>> alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. >>>> Therefore, I’m adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques >>>> will >>>> also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no >>>> digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to >>>> download >>>> books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although >>>> not >>>> to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I’m not >>>> sure >>>> I’d want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some >>>> vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the >>>> sighted >>>> world as I would not know how to function. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >>>> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >>>> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to >>>> the >>>> eyes so the person can see some images. >>>> >>>> Here it is. >>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-bring-sight-back-to-blind/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From coasterfreak88 at me.com Mon Oct 1 05:18:24 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 00:18:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions wanted on an event. Message-ID: Hi all. I know it has been a while since I have posted on this list. On October 25th, my college is hosting an event to raise awareness about people with various disabilities. We are calling it Ability Awareness Day. This is because we want to educate people about what people with disabilities can do, not on what they can't. What I'm looking for is ideas. I'm helping our disability support services office organize the event. We're going to have, among other things, simulations of various things such as a wheelchair ride where the person will have to ride in a wheelchair to a certain point. We are looking for ideas about a blindness simulation. A cane walk would be cool, but we don't have enough people to assist with one. I was thinking a display with various things in Braille and various braille writing devices. Last year, I did that in addition to having an event where people would be blindfolded and would be given headphones. They would have to listen to something and then answer questions about it. THe idea was to show that blind people just used there other senses more and people were impacted by it. I could tell a lot of people got stereotypes about enhanced hearing shattered. What do all of you think would be a good way to educate people about blindness that would also be interactive? Any suggestions would be welcome and appreciated. From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 05:37:22 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 01:37:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You have a good point there. After using things like Jaws and Braille for all my life, it would feel quite strange to give those things up. Even if reading print would be easier, and I'm not even sure about that at this point since I don't know how long it would take me to learn to do that, not to mention if my reading rate would be as fast as my current Braille reading speed, I wonder if I would automatically sit down at my computer and turn Jaws on, or pick up a Braille book. Would I sell my Braille Note or keep it? You presented a point I hadn't fully considered. The other thing that I have given great thought to is the emotional aspect of such a procedure. I don't think undergoing any treatment of this nature is something that should be entered into lightly. How would gaining a sense impact ones mental health, and in the case of a child, psychological development? What about having to radically change your life? Because it would be a huge change, even if you didn't really change the routine of your day-to-day activities. Would you want to keep the same friends? Would you take unnecessary risks because you would feel powerful, even invincible, with your newfound sight? Would you want to be associated with your former blind contacts? It's easy to say you would do one thing in any given situation, until you actually experience it. I guess we shouldn't be too hasty to say what we would or would not do when it comes to sight restoration, because honestly, a change of that magnitude is comparable to losing a sense, and I've seen what that can do to people. On 9/30/12, Laurel wrote: > If I could fully obtain my vision, I might. What I meant by "still > using blindness technology and mobility tools" was that if I ever were > to have my sight improved via a medical procedure, I would not assume > that just because my sight has changed for the better means I still > don't need help, like mobility help. I would probably have an outside > source, like an O&M person that I fully trust, help me look at what my > vision was like and then help me judge what mobility aids I might > need. I don't think what the gentlemen in the article is doing is > safe. While he may be able to see images easier, which I would love to > do, it doesn't necessarily mean he can get around any better, or that > his vision is more functional when it comes to mobility, or print > reading etc. If my vision were somehow to improve, and via a thorough > assessment by V.I. professionals and people who would know, it was > clear that my vision was good enough to for example read large print, > then my methods for doing things might change. > I spose all I'm saying is that yes, I would do anything to improve the > vision I have, but at the same time, just because my vision might be > improved doesn't mean I should through any blindness skills, > technology, mobility aids etc out the window. I think with any vision > change, be it for the better or for the worse, you should have > somebody conduct professional vision tests in order to help assess > what your real needs are. This guy in the article probably really > needs to have a reality check about his vision, while he can see > better, or claims to have improved vision, this does not mean that he > can safely get around by himself. > > This is a really interesting, and thought provoking discussion by the > way. I love hearing everybody's opinions on the matter. > Laurel > > On 9/30/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: >> Hi Ashley, >> That's a good point about restaurant menus and brochures, but >> technology is improving in regards to that. I was just reading about >> the new Braille Plus which is made by APH, and how it's going to be >> running Android, so will be an extremely powerful note taker. I bring >> this up because it also includes a camera, and it said that something >> like that could be used for scanning menus and other things like you >> described. I'm not sure if it's going to be able to do bar code >> scanning. Perhaps so, considering that you're supposed to be able to >> download Android aps, but since I'm pretty unfamiliar with the Android >> OS, I'm not sure if there is one for bar code scanning yet. Anyway, >> this is a big step up for people who don't want to use touch screens >> but desire some of the things you describe, since I know the IPhone >> can do this stuff too, but some people have their reasons for not >> wanting to use touch screens. >> >> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Arielle, >>> That is my reaction too. It made Mr. Lloyd able to pass as sighted, but >>> his >>> >>> vision was so fuzzy that it really did not help him act like a sighted >>> person. Want to bet that when he got to work, he had to use jaws or >>> other >>> adaptive tools to do his work? His vision simply was not at that point >>> to >>> read print and use a computer to function as sighted at work. >>> I share your concern that those getting treatment to restore some >>> vision >>> would give up proven blindness techniques in favor of the rudimentary >>> vision >>> >>> and therefore they would struggle more than they were as a blind person. >>> >>> I am not sure if I'd take treatment to get all vision. I think it would >>> be >>> such a psychological and physical adjustment. I'd have to really weigh >>> the >>> pros and cons if such a thing were avaiable; I'd also consider any side >>> effects such treatment had. One benefit to having more vision is the >>> ability >>> >>> to read; if my vision were say 20/100 I might be able to read more >>> easily >>> without fatigue. I'd only need some magnification and I'd be able to >>> read >>> pretty well. I often wondered what it would be like to walk into a hotel >>> and >>> >>> be able to pick up those brochures about local events, read the >>> restaurant >>> menu as I pass by, pick up a local newspaper from the concierge, and >>> then >>> go >>> >>> up to my room and read the tv listings on screen. >>> I would have a very different experience. Oh, and I'd be able to read >>> the >>> labels on the shampoo and lotion, and not have to ask someone. I can see >>> the >>> >>> colors, but they are often the same color, so still have to ask. I do >>> not >>> want to put cream in my hair! >>> >>> Anyway, it’s a complex topic and I suspect that as treatment comes >>> available, some will take it while others will not. Those that do not >>> will >>> opt out for many of the reasons articulated here. >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my >>> honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey >>> about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how >>> blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. >>> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or >>> not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision >>> immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said >>> they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do >>> it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who >>> said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, >>> or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away >>> from their quality of life. >>> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for >>> a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give >>> them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any >>> objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do >>> think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give >>> very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead >>> people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid >>> like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, >>> people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more >>> than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that >>> Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, >>> beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him >>> better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating >>> his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the >>> challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without >>> actually having good skills are evident to many of us. >>> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >>> several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was >>> extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually >>> give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I >>> would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go >>> through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not >>> want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have >>> more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on >>> curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. >>> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my >>> blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid >>> research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it >>> and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think >>> that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have >>> access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is >>> viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative >>> press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups >>> like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, >>> making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe >>> that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to >>> be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding >>> ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping >>> out blindness. What do you think? >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I know NFB doesn’t focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >>>> focus >>>> on living with it and adapting to the world with training and >>>> equipment. >>>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >>>> sure >>>> taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only >>>> relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its >>>> hard >>>> >>>> to >>>> focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims >>>> its >>>> perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have >>>> through >>>> the camera. >>>> >>>> I’ve had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>>> taught >>>> braille after they taught me large print, but realized its >>>> shortcomings; >>>> so >>>> I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training >>>> in >>>> O&M >>>> was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other >>>> alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. >>>> Therefore, I’m adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques >>>> will >>>> also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no >>>> digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to >>>> download >>>> books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around >>>> although >>>> not >>>> to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I’m not >>>> sure >>>> I’d want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some >>>> vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the >>>> sighted >>>> world as I would not know how to function. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >>>> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >>>> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to >>>> the >>>> eyes so the person can see some images. >>>> >>>> Here it is. >>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-bring-sight-back-to-blind/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 05:41:02 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 01:41:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: <78BE23471CAC4B0D9F0D945BCDD0BB45@OwnerPC> References: <78BE23471CAC4B0D9F0D945BCDD0BB45@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley, The new Braille Plus is actually out now for preorder. If I understand correctly, only organizations or state agencies can buy it at this point. Unfortunately, it's quite expensive, even at this stage. The preorder price is $3,299. I shudder to think how much more it's going to rise when they unveil the full price and start selling it to the public. i was extremely disappointed when I saw the price, because it's a device I would love to have. It sounds like it's going to run circles around every other note taker that's currently on the market. I guess it's so expensive because this model includes a Braille display, and that does drastically increase price. On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Desiree, > Thanks for the info. So when is the braille plus coming out? Then, how much > > will this cost? > I hope less than human ware and freedom scientific charge. > > You're right it will be able to scan documents. But you still would have to > > have this thing in a paper form to scan it. Many information literacy things > > I speak of are not something you can handle, but are things you simply look > > at as a pedestrian or traveler traveling by. But, still, I think this is a > big step in bringing us information literacy the sighted people have; many > > things are able to be handled after all. Restaurants have paper menus for > people to look at for take out food. Most brochures and tourbooks you can > grab and would be scannable. I'll research the braille plus. I did not know > > APH was remaking that product and coming out with a new version. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Desiree Oudinot > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Hi Ashley, > That's a good point about restaurant menus and brochures, but > technology is improving in regards to that. I was just reading about > the new Braille Plus which is made by APH, and how it's going to be > running Android, so will be an extremely powerful note taker. I bring > this up because it also includes a camera, and it said that something > like that could be used for scanning menus and other things like you > described. I'm not sure if it's going to be able to do bar code > scanning. Perhaps so, considering that you're supposed to be able to > download Android aps, but since I'm pretty unfamiliar with the Android > OS, I'm not sure if there is one for bar code scanning yet. Anyway, > this is a big step up for people who don't want to use touch screens > but desire some of the things you describe, since I know the IPhone > can do this stuff too, but some people have their reasons for not > wanting to use touch screens. > > On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Arielle, >> That is my reaction too. It made Mr. Lloyd able to pass as sighted, but >> his >> >> vision was so fuzzy that it really did not help him act like a sighted >> person. Want to bet that when he got to work, he had to use jaws or other >> adaptive tools to do his work? His vision simply was not at that point to >> read print and use a computer to function as sighted at work. >> I share your concern that those getting treatment to restore some vision >> would give up proven blindness techniques in favor of the rudimentary >> vision >> >> and therefore they would struggle more than they were as a blind person. >> >> I am not sure if I'd take treatment to get all vision. I think it would >> be >> such a psychological and physical adjustment. I'd have to really weigh >> the >> pros and cons if such a thing were avaiable; I'd also consider any side >> effects such treatment had. One benefit to having more vision is the >> ability >> >> to read; if my vision were say 20/100 I might be able to read more easily >> without fatigue. I'd only need some magnification and I'd be able to read >> pretty well. I often wondered what it would be like to walk into a hotel >> and >> >> be able to pick up those brochures about local events, read the >> restaurant >> menu as I pass by, pick up a local newspaper from the concierge, and then >> >> go >> >> up to my room and read the tv listings on screen. >> I would have a very different experience. Oh, and I'd be able to read the >> labels on the shampoo and lotion, and not have to ask someone. I can see >> the >> >> colors, but they are often the same color, so still have to ask. I do not >> want to put cream in my hair! >> >> Anyway, it’s a complex topic and I suspect that as treatment comes >> available, some will take it while others will not. Those that do not >> will >> opt out for many of the reasons articulated here. >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >> >> Hi all, >> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my >> honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey >> about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how >> blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. >> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or >> not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision >> immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said >> they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do >> it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who >> said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, >> or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away >> from their quality of life. >> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for >> a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give >> them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any >> objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do >> think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give >> very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead >> people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid >> like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, >> people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more >> than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that >> Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, >> beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him >> better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating >> his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the >> challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without >> actually having good skills are evident to many of us. >> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >> several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was >> extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually >> give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I >> would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go >> through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not >> want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have >> more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on >> curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. >> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my >> blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid >> research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it >> and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think >> that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have >> access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is >> viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative >> press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups >> like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, >> making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe >> that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to >> be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding >> ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping >> out blindness. What do you think? >> Arielle >> >> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I know NFB doesn’t focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >>> focus >>> on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. >>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >>> sure >>> taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only >>> relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its >>> hard >>> >>> to >>> focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims >>> its >>> perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have >>> through >>> the camera. >>> >>> I’ve had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>> taught >>> braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; >>> so >>> I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in >>> O&M >>> was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other >>> alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. >>> Therefore, I’m adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques >>> will >>> also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no >>> digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to >>> download >>> books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although >>> not >>> to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I’m not >>> sure >>> I’d want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some >>> vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the >>> sighted >>> world as I would not know how to function. >>> >>> >>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >>> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >>> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to >>> the >>> eyes so the person can see some images. >>> >>> Here it is. >>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-bring-sight-back-to-blind/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 11:40:06 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 06:40:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness Message-ID: <50698142.1453650a.2e99.ffff9cba@mx.google.com> Can=20a=20Macbook=20laptop=20scan=20documents?=20I=20have=20the=20Saytext=20= app=20on=20my=20 phone=20and=20am=20still=20figuring=20it=20out,=20but=20it=20doesn't=20seem= =20all=20that=20 accurate. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20=20wrote:= =20Arielle, =20That=20is=20my=20reaction=20too.=20It=20made=20Mr.=20Lloyd=20able=20to=20= pass=20as=20 sighted,=20but =20his =20vision=20was=20so=20fuzzy=20that=20it=20really=20did=20not=20help=20him= =20act=20like=20a=20 sighted =20person.=20Want=20to=20bet=20that=20when=20he=20got=20to=20work,=20he=20h= ad=20to=20use=20jaws=20 or=20other =20adaptive=20tools=20to=20do=20his=20work?=20His=20vision=20simply=20was=20= not=20at=20that=20 point=20to =20read=20print=20and=20use=20a=20computer=20to=20function=20as=20sighted=20= at=20work. =20I=20share=20your=20concern=20that=20those=20getting=20=20treatment=20to= =20restore=20 some=20vision =20would=20give=20up=20proven=20blindness=20techniques=20in=20favor=20of=20= the=20 rudimentary =20vision =20and=20therefore=20they=20would=20struggle=20more=20than=20they=20were=20= as=20a=20blind=20 person. =20I=20am=20not=20sure=20if=20I'd=20take=20treatment=20to=20get=20all=20vis= ion.=20I=20think=20 it=20would =20be =20such=20a=20psychological=20and=20physical=20adjustment.=20I'd=20have=20t= o=20really=20 weigh =20the =20pros=20and=20cons=20if=20such=20=20a=20thing=20were=20avaiable;=20I'd=20= also=20consider=20 any=20side =20effects=20such=20treatment=20had.=20One=20benefit=20to=20having=20more=20= vision=20is=20 the =20ability =20to=20read;=20if=20my=20vision=20were=20say=2020/100=20I=20might=20be=20a= ble=20to=20read=20 more=20easily =20without=20fatigue.=20I'd=20only=20need=20some=20magnification=20and=20I'= d=20be=20 able=20to=20read =20pretty=20well.=20I=20often=20wondered=20what=20it=20would=20be=20like=20= to=20walk=20into=20 a=20hotel =20and =20be=20able=20to=20pick=20up=20those=20brochures=20about=20local=20events,= =20read=20the =20restaurant =20menu=20as=20I=20pass=20by,=20pick=20up=20a=20local=20newspaper=20from=20= the=20concierge,=20 and=20then =20go =20up=20to=20my=20room=20and=20read=20the=20tv=20listings=20on=20screen. =20I=20would=20have=20a=20very=20different=20experience.=20Oh,=20and=20I'd= =20be=20able=20to=20 read=20the =20labels=20on=20the=20shampoo=20and=20lotion,=20and=20not=20have=20to=20as= k=20someone.=20I=20 can=20see =20the =20colors,=20but=20they=20are=20often=20the=20same=20color,=20so=20still=20= have=20to=20ask.=20 I=20do=20not =20want=20to=20put=20cream=20in=20my=20hair! =20Anyway,=20it=E2=80=99s=20a=20complex=20topic=20and=20I=20suspect=20that= =20as=20treatment=20 comes =20available,=20some=20will=20take=20it=20while=20others=20will=20not.=20Th= ose=20that=20 do=20not =20will =20opt=20out=20for=20many=20of=20the=20reasons=20articulated=20here. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Arielle=20Silverman =20Sent:=20Sunday,=20September=2030,=202012=206:01=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20curing=20blindness =20Hi=20all, =20I=20have=20studied=20this=20topic=20a=20bit=20because=20it=20was=20the=20= subject=20of=20my =20honors=20thesis=20when=20I=20was=20an=20undergraduate=20student.=20I=20d= id=20a=20 survey =20about=20six=20years=20ago=20(a=20few=20of=20you=20may=20have=20participa= ted)=20to=20 assess=20how =20blind=20people=20felt=20about=20the=20prospect=20of=20having=20their=20s= ight=20 restored. =20One=20of=20the=20most=20interesting=20findings=20was=20that=20when=20ask= ed=20whether=20 or =20not=20one=20would=20take=20a=20magic=20pill=20that=20would=20restore=20f= ull=20vision =20immediately=20with=20no=20risks=20or=20side=20effects,=20only=2072%=20of= =20the=20 sample=20said =20they=20would=20do=20it.=20While=20most=20of=20the=20participants=20said= =20they=20would=20 do =20it,=20a=20substantial=20minority=20(about=2020%)=20said=20no.=20Some=20o= f=20the=20 people=20who =20said=20no=20cited=20concerns=20about=20losing=20their=20identity=20as=20= blind=20 people, =20or=20having=20=20to=20adjust=20to=20a=20new=20sense=20=20and=20that=20po= ssibly=20taking=20 away =20from=20their=20quality=20of=20life. =20Another=20finding=20from=20the=20survey=20was=20that=20most=20people=20s= aid=20in=20 order=20for =20a=20sight-restoring=20technology=20to=20be=20worthwhile,=20it=20would=20= have=20to=20 give =20them=20most=20or=20all=20functional=20vision.=20I=20personally=20don't=20= have=20any =20objection=20to=20the=20technology=20like=20the=20Argus=20II=20being=20de= veloped.=20I=20 do =20think=20it=20could=20be=20a=20problem,=20though,=20if=20technologies=20t= hat=20only=20 give =20very=20rudimentary=20vision=20become=20popularized.=20They=20could=20per= haps=20 lead =20people=20like=20the=20man=20in=20the=20article=20to=20forego=20using=20a= =20proven=20 travel=20aid =20like=20a=20cane=20in=20favor=20of=20using=20very=20rudimentary=20vision.= =20As=20a=20 result, =20people=20who=20have=20these=20procedures=20could=20actually=20end=20up=20= struggling=20more =20than=20they=20were=20before.=20Based=20on=20the=20article,=20I=20am=20no= t=20convinced=20 that =20Lloyd=20has=20actually=20gained=20any=20independence=20from=20the=20arti= ficial=20 vision, =20beyond=20what=20he=20would=20have=20gotten=20with=20a=20cane.=20Instead,= =20it=20makes=20 him =20better=20at=20passing=20as=20a=20sighted=20guy,=20but=20possibly=20worse= =20at=20 navigating =20his=20environment=20because=20he=20is=20no=20longer=20using=20a=20cane.= =20I=20think=20 the =20challenges=20and=20self-esteem=20issues=20associated=20with=20"passing"= =20 without =20actually=20having=20good=20skills=20are=20evident=20to=20many=20of=20us.= =20I=20don't=20think=20I=20would=20undergo=20a=20procedure=20to=20improve=20= my=20vision,=20 for =20several=20reasons.=20I=20wouldn't=20even=20consider=20it=20until=20the=20= technology=20was =20extensively=20tested=20and=20perfected,=20and=20then,=20only=20if=20it=20= could=20 actually =20give=20me=20full=20functionality=20(driving=20etc.)=20Even=20then,=20I'm= =20not=20 sure=20I =20would=20do=20it=20because=20I=20am=20terrified=20of=20surgery=20and=20on= ly=20want=20to=20 go =20through=20that=20if=20it=20is=20absolutely=20medically=20necessary,=20an= d=20I=20do=20 not =20want=20to=20put=20the=20rest=20of=20my=20life=20on=20hold=20to=20learn=20= how=20to=20see.=20I=20 have =20more=20ambivalent=20feelings=20about=20how=20much=20I=20want=20to=20supp= ort=20 research=20on =20curing=20blindness,=20and=20I'm=20curious=20to=20know=20others'=20though= ts=20about=20 this. =20I=20have=20a=20genetic=20eye=20condition=20and=20have=20been=20told=20I= =20should=20send=20 my =20blood=20to=20a=20lab=20to=20have=20my=20gene=20identified=20because=20th= is=20will=20aid =20research=20on=20genetic=20treatments.=20I've=20debated=20whether=20or=20= not=20to=20 do=20it =20and=20at=20this=20point=20I=20am=20mostly=20indifferent.=20On=20one=20ha= nd,=20I=20do=20 think =20that=20treatments=20could=20legitimately=20help=20some=20people=20who=20= don't=20 have =20access=20to=20technology=20or=20who=20=20live=20in=20communities=20where= =20blindness=20 is =20viewed=20very=20poorly.=20On=20the=20other=20hand,=20I=20am=20bothered=20= by=20the=20 negative =20press=20about=20blindness=20that=20is=20often=20propagated=20by=20cure-o= riented=20 groups =20like=20Prevent=20Blindness=20America=20or=20Foundation=20Fighting=20Blin= dness, =20making=20me=20not=20want=20to=20support=20these=20causes.=20Furthermore,= =20I=20 believe =20that=20no=20matter=20how=20good=20treatments=20get,=20some=20people=20wi= ll=20 continue=20to =20be=20blind.=20So=20I=20would=20rather=20direct=20my=20limited=20energy=20= toward=20 finding =20ways=20to=20make=20life=20better=20for=20those=20who=20are=20blind=20rat= her=20than=20 wiping =20out=20blindness.=20=20What=20do=20you=20think? =20Arielle =20On=209/30/12,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20=20wrote:= =20Hi=20all, =20I=20know=20NFB=20doesn=E2=80=99t=20focus=20on=20treatment=20of=20blindne= ss=20or=20low=20 vision;=20they =20focus =20on=20living=20with=20it=20and=20adapting=20to=20the=20world=20with=20tra= ining=20and=20 equipment. =20But=20many=20organizations=20do=20focus=20on=20this=20such=20as=20Founda= tion=20 Fighting =20Blindness=20and=20the=20organization=20mentioned=20in=20this=20article. =20The=20link=20is=20below=20to=20the=20article.=20=20I=20think=20this=20gu= y=20in=20the=20 article=20was =20sure =20taking=20a=20gamble=20with=20his=20life=20to=20walk=20to=20work=20withou= t=20a=20cane=20and=20 only =20relying=20on=20unclear=20vision.=20At=20least=20the=20quote=20from=20him= =20indicates=20 its =20hard =20to =20focus=20and=20learn=20to=20see=20with=20this=20artificial=20vision;=20no= t=20as=20if=20he=20 claims =20its =20perfect.=20Still=20he=20is=20happy=20with=20the=20artificial=20vision=20= he=20does=20 have =20through =20the=20camera. =20I=E2=80=99ve=20had=20very=20limited=20vision=20all=20my=20life=20and=20I= =20was=20fortunate=20 to=20be =20taught =20braille=20after=20they=20taught=20me=20large=20print,=20but=20realized=20= its=20 shortcomings; =20so =20I=20learned=20braille=20and=20I=20had=20a=20cane=20in=20mid=20elementary= =20school.=20 Training=20in =20O&M =20was=20a=20lot=20to=20be=20desired,=20but=20I=20did=20learn=20how=20to=20= use=20it=20as=20well=20 as=20other =20alternative=20techniques=20from=20my=20teacher=20of=20the=20vision=20imp= aired. =20Therefore,=20I=E2=80=99m=20adapting=20and=20still=20learning=20with=20wh= at=20I=20have.=20 Techniques =20will =20also=20change=20with=20technology;=20for=20instance,=20when=20I=20was=20= young,=20=20we=20 had=20no =20digital=20recorders,=20digital=20NLS=20players,=20no=20book=20share=20or= =20any=20way=20 to =20download =20books=20in=20braille,=20no=20bar=20code=20readers,=20and=20scanners=20we= re=20around=20 although =20not =20to=20the=20efficient=20degree=20we=20have=20today.=20So,=20with=20all=20= that=20said,=20 I=E2=80=99m=20not =20sure =20I=E2=80=99d=20want=20more=20vision.=20But=20this=20article=20paints=20a= =20picture=20of=20 getting=20some =20vision=20back=20as=20a=20good=20thing.=20I=20certainly=20would=20not=20w= ant=20to=20enter=20 the =20sighted =20world=20as=20I=20would=20not=20know=20how=20to=20function. =20If=20you=20read=20the=20article,=20what=20do=20you=20think?=20Would=20yo= u=20take=20 artificial =20vision?=20This=20is=20becoming=20a=20reality=20and=20they=20are=20going= =20to=20improve=20 the =20technology.=20The=20chip=20sends=20signals=20to=20the=20camera=20which=20= sends=20 signals=20to =20the =20eyes=20so=20the=20person=20can=20see=20some=20images. =20Here=20it=20is. 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Oct 1 11:56:28 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 04:56:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions wanted on an event. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20121001044504.01d17e18@comcast.net> Good morning, John, As a means of driving home the point of disabled, self reliance, it might be good adding as part of the chair demonstration by having whomever uses a chair, to do somethhing that holds meaning in the chair, to show that, despite being chairbound, the person who can't walk can have a place in society. I think it's the difference between going sighted guide with a blind person, and blind guy using his cane to actualize something that holds meaning. for today, Car 2012, John Moore wrote: >Hi all. I know it has been a while since I have posted on this list. >On October 25th, my college is hosting an event to raise awareness >about people with various disabilities. We are calling it Ability >Awareness Day. This is because we want to educate people about what >people with disabilities can do, not on what they can't. What I'm >looking for is ideas. I'm helping our disability support services >office organize the event. We're going to have, among other things, >simulations of various things such as a wheelchair ride where the >person will have to ride in a wheelchair to a certain point. We are >looking for ideas about a blindness simulation. A cane walk would be >cool, but we don't have enough people to assist with one. I was >thinking a display with various things in Braille and various >braille writing devices. Last year, I did that in addition to having >an event where people would be blindfolded and would be given >headphones. They would have to listen to something and then answer >questions about it. THe idea was to show that blind people just used >there other senses more and people were impacted by it. I could tell >a lot of people got stereotypes about enhanced hearing shattered. >What do all of you think would be a good way to educate people about >blindness that would also be interactive? Any suggestions would be >welcome and appreciated. >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From coasterfreak88 at me.com Mon Oct 1 18:13:40 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 13:13:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions wanted on an event. In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20121001044504.01d17e18@comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20121001044504.01d17e18@comcast.net> Message-ID: <840628F1-10D6-4B1C-8821-813D0CE5CC58@me.com> We'd need to figure out what to do if we were going to do that. We were not going to have someone walk sighted guide. From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 20:16:55 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 15:16:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue Message-ID: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> Dear List: Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can give me. Best, Sophie From gcazares10 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 21:12:41 2012 From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 16:12:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The 2012-2013 Braille Readers Are Leaders Adult Contest and the NABS Pennies for Pages Fundraiser Message-ID: <000001cda019$7f56bd70$7e043850$@com> Dear TABSters, NABSters, and Federation Family As you very well know, October 1 officially marks the beginning of Meet The Blind Month, as well as the registration period for the Adult Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest. Our very own National Association of Blind Students runs a fundraiser known as Pennies for Pages in conjunction with the Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest, and this year we're counting on you! The way it works: Much like a walkathon, the Pennies for Pages fundraiser counts on pledges. If you are pledging, you have the option to pledge a flat rate, or a certain amount per each page read. For example, if I were pledging a flat rate, I'd say I'll give $50.00 at the end of the contest period for your pages read. If I were pledging a certain amount per page, I'd say for every page you read I'll give you $0.25. It doesn't matter if you pledge a flat rate, or pledge a certain amount per page, the point is to collect pledges! At the end of the contest period, your pledge checks will be mailed to the NABS Treasurer, and the amount made by each state student division will be split 50/50 with NABS. What do I mean by that, I mean that whatever amount of money the Texas Association of Blind Students manages to collect, for example, will be split with NABS, meaning that TABS will get some of the money raised back, and so will your student division! So affiliate members and chapters, commit to pledge one or a group of students in your affiliate participating in this fundraiser! Find the pledge form here: http://www.nabslink.org How you can get involved: Sign up to participate in the 2012-2013 Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest, you have the option to sign up individually, or to make a team of 2 to 5 people and sign up that way! You don't have to be a student to read for the Pennies for Pages fundraiser! Whether you sign up on your lonesome, or make a group of Braille Superstars and sign up that way, it doesn't matter. The point is to sign up and put the fingers to the Braille! Find the signup form here: http://www.nfb.org/braille-readers-are-leaders-overview In addition to signing up, collect pledges! Ask your parents, your aunts and uncles, friends, employers, church members, who ever has money that you can get to, ask away! This fundraiser will help support both the excellent programs that NABS puts on for us, as well as supporting our local student divisions! Only your participation will have the ability to make this fundraiser successful! Let's see who the most active student division in NABS is for real, time to put our money where our mouth is! Out raise your fellow student divisions for the greatest prize of all, bragging rights! If you have any questions or concerns, or would like clarification with any portion of the #P4P fundraiser, please feel free to contact NABS President Sean Whalen or me. I look forward to a very competitive Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest, and Pennies for Pages fundraiser! All the best, Gabe Cazares, NABS Fundraising Committee Chair PS. I think Texas is going to raise more money than anyone else! smile Support fair wages for workers with disabilities! (H.R. 3086) www.nfb.org/fairwages Gabriel M. Cazares, 1st Vice President Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: 713-581-0619 From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 21:57:40 2012 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 17:57:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but the contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. Anyone know what's going on? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Dear List: > > Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can give me. > Best, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 22:12:58 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 18:12:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go to the apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They give very good custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck Lavonnya Sent from my iPad On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: > I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but the contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. Anyone know what's going on? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can give me. >> Best, >> Sophie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 22:16:25 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:16:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: There might be a legitimate bug, and if so, I'm sorry you're experiencing that as I can see how it would be frustrating. However, I would say that 99% of my random and weird iPhone issues can be fixed in one of a few ways. You can do a simple reset by pressing your lock button 6 times consecutively and quickly. There will be a pause, and then VoiceOver will say "VoiceOver on." And you should be able to continue using the phone normally. You can do a more thorough reset by holding the lock button down for 10-15 seconds. This will restart your phone. You can also just try restarting your phone the normal way. Neither of the resets I suggested cause any changes in your settings or information on the phone. You can also reset the settings; the option is found in the settings menu, but note that it does reset preferences you've set such as Wifi networks, VoiceOver preferences, ringtones, etc. So since that one is the most cumbersome to set back up, I usually leave that fix for my last try. If none of these help, you can always contact Apple customer service. If you have already tried these things, then sorry. They're great ideas for other people experiencing oddities in their iPhones though. For me, these resets have fixed everything from my phone not making calls to VoiceOver lockups where it stops speaking to my speakers not working. iPhones do funny things sometimes, but for me, they have fortunately been relatively easy to fix. Cindy On 10/1/12, Jewel wrote: > I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but the > contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. > Anyone know what's going on? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have >> noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through them, >> they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," but then >> have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone have an idea >> if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can give me. >> Best, >> Sophie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From gera1027 at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 22:25:08 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:25:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <506A1844.907@gmail.com> 'HI guys: I've had this question bugging me since I got my IPhone as an advanced birthday and Cristmas present in July: I can be twitting, emailing or wherever typing away and all of a sudden the app closes losing everything! Yes I thought maybe my IPhone was bad, thus thought about taking it to the carrier, but I found a little trick of when the phone starts getting sluggish, triple click home voiceover off, wait between 10-15 seconds, and when I triple click home to activate Voiceover wuala! As good as new! Any of you had this little annoyance? I've got a 3gs. El 01/10/2012 05:16 p.m., Cynthia Bennett escribió: > There might be a legitimate bug, and if so, I'm sorry you're > experiencing that as I can see how it would be frustrating. However, I > would say that 99% of my random and weird iPhone issues can be fixed > in one of a few ways. You can do a simple reset by pressing your lock > button 6 times consecutively and quickly. There will be a pause, and > then VoiceOver will say "VoiceOver on." And you should be able to > continue using the phone normally. You can do a more thorough reset by > holding the lock button down for 10-15 seconds. This will restart your > phone. You can also just try restarting your phone the normal way. > Neither of the resets I suggested cause any changes in your settings > or information on the phone. You can also reset the settings; the > option is found in the settings menu, but note that it does reset > preferences you've set such as Wifi networks, VoiceOver preferences, > ringtones, etc. So since that one is the most cumbersome to set back > up, I usually leave that fix for my last try. If none of these help, > you can always contact Apple customer service. If you have already > tried these things, then sorry. They're great ideas for other people > experiencing oddities in their iPhones though. For me, these resets > have fixed everything from my phone not making calls to VoiceOver > lockups where it stops speaking to my speakers not working. iPhones do > funny things sometimes, but for me, they have fortunately been > relatively easy to fix. > > Cindy > > On 10/1/12, Jewel wrote: >> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but the >> contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. >> Anyone know what's going on? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have >>> noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through them, >>> they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," but then >>> have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone have an idea >>> if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can give me. >>> Best, >>> Sophie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > From brlsurfer at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 22:55:55 2012 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 14:55:55 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] taking the psat in a couple of weeks, have some questions Message-ID: <506a1f7d.6ae3440a.6bc1.ffffeae8@mx.google.com> Hi All, I'm taking the pre SAT almost 3 weeks from now, and I would really like to have some information from some of you who've taken it. I was given a packet (in print) of SAT information, including formulas, diagrams, reading questions, etc. Do you know if any of this information is available online? When you got a packet like that, how did you make the information accessible to you? How much time did you take to study? Thanks, Vejas From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 23:08:29 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:08:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue Message-ID: <506a2298.4687ec0a.2473.53ec@mx.google.com> Thanks, Cynthia! I tried the complex reset, the one where you hold down the lock button for 10-15 sec, and it worked! My contact headings are in order again! ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia Bennett wrote: I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but the contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. Anyone know what's going on? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: Dear List: Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can give me. Best, Sophie _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gma il.com -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 23:55:05 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:55:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> Hi LaVonya and everyone, We don't have an Apple store here in Carroll county, but I have called Apple, and my customer service experience was a very positive one. I was very happy to learn that the tech support guy who was helping me actually knew how to work with VoiceOver, and didn't freak out on me when I told him I was blind and consequently use VoiceOver to work my iPod Touch! I've heard stories of Apple care experiences from blind people in which they have called general tech support and the rep didn't know how to work VoiceOver, forcing them to have to be transferred to the accessibility department. However, I personally have never had this experience, and have always been very happy with Apple tech support. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go to the apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They give very good custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck Lavonnya Sent from my iPad On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: > I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but the contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. Anyone know what's going on? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can give me. >> Best, >> Sophie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40g >> mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 00:06:05 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 20:06:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8373777D-431D-442C-BB9E-C654BD5573A2@gmail.com> really? I had them set up speech for me. maybe you just got the wrong people. They even knew how to deal with my autism, witch is even more rare then blindnes. I would call a few times, or even I would be willing to help u. email me off list. i use tty and got alot done that. I would help u Sent from my iPad On Oct 1, 2012, at 19:55, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > Hi LaVonya and everyone, > > We don't have an Apple store here in Carroll county, but I have called > Apple, and my customer service experience was a very positive one. I was > very happy to learn that the tech support guy who was helping me actually > knew how to work with VoiceOver, and didn't freak out on me when I told him > I was blind and consequently use VoiceOver to work my iPod Touch! I've heard > stories of Apple care experiences from blind people in which they have > called general tech support and the rep didn't know how to work VoiceOver, > forcing them to have to be transferred to the accessibility department. > However, I personally have never had this experience, and have always been > very happy with Apple tech support. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:13 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue > > I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go to the > apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They give very good > custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck Lavonnya > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: > >> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but the > contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. > Anyone know what's going on? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have > noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through them, > they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," but then > have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone have an idea if > this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can give me. >>> Best, >>> Sophie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40g >>> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gm >> ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 00:03:15 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:03:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I am a new I-phone user and am still trying to learn the different functions. This is also my first touch screen phone. I am trying to set up my email on the i-phone and am unable to locate the at sign. Can anyone help? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue > Hi LaVonya and everyone, > > We don't have an Apple store here in Carroll county, but I have called > Apple, and my customer service experience was a very positive one. I was > very happy to learn that the tech support guy who was helping me actually > knew how to work with VoiceOver, and didn't freak out on me when I told > him > I was blind and consequently use VoiceOver to work my iPod Touch! I've > heard > stories of Apple care experiences from blind people in which they have > called general tech support and the rep didn't know how to work VoiceOver, > forcing them to have to be transferred to the accessibility department. > However, I personally have never had this experience, and have always been > very happy with Apple tech support. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:13 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue > > I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go to the > apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They give very > good > custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck Lavonnya > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: > >> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but the > contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. > Anyone know what's going on? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist >> wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have > noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through them, > they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," but then > have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone have an idea > if > this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can give me. >>> Best, >>> Sophie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40g >>> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gm >> ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 00:42:59 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 20:42:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> Hi Gloria, Since you are typing in an email address, the period and at signs are automatically put on the keyboard to the left of the return key, which is at the bottom right corner of the screen. So, if you touch the bottom right corner of the screen and VoiceOver says "return," move your finger to the left until you touch a key and VoiceOver says "at." Then simply double tap on it and it will be typed in. If you need to type an at sign and you're not in a screen in which the at sign is automatically put on the keyboard, double tap the "more, numbers" key at the bottom left corner of the screen, then move your finger to the right until you touch the at sign, then double tap it. Good luck with your new iPhone! Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue Hi, I am a new I-phone user and am still trying to learn the different functions. This is also my first touch screen phone. I am trying to set up my email on the i-phone and am unable to locate the at sign. Can anyone help? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue > Hi LaVonya and everyone, > > We don't have an Apple store here in Carroll county, but I have called > Apple, and my customer service experience was a very positive one. I > was very happy to learn that the tech support guy who was helping me > actually knew how to work with VoiceOver, and didn't freak out on me > when I told him I was blind and consequently use VoiceOver to work my > iPod Touch! I've heard stories of Apple care experiences from blind > people in which they have called general tech support and the rep > didn't know how to work VoiceOver, forcing them to have to be > transferred to the accessibility department. > However, I personally have never had this experience, and have always > been very happy with Apple tech support. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:13 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue > > I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go to > the apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They give > very good custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck Lavonnya > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: > >> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but >> the > contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. > Anyone know what's going on? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist >> wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have > noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through > them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," > but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone > have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all > can give me. >>> Best, >>> Sophie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for > nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40 >>> g >>> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40g >> m >> ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 00:46:22 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 20:46:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Apple's customer service wasRE: iphone issue Message-ID: <002801cda037$59064140$0b12c3c0$@gmail.com> Hi LaVonya, No, I got a good person, as you did. I guess these other people happened to get reps who didn't know VoiceOver. But I'll give Apple credit here; they've really devoted a lot of attension to putting accessibility into their products and teaching their tech support people how to work with the accessibility features and with people who have disabilities. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue really? I had them set up speech for me. maybe you just got the wrong people. They even knew how to deal with my autism, witch is even more rare then blindnes. I would call a few times, or even I would be willing to help u. email me off list. i use tty and got alot done that. I would help u Sent from my iPad On Oct 1, 2012, at 19:55, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > Hi LaVonya and everyone, > > We don't have an Apple store here in Carroll county, but I have called > Apple, and my customer service experience was a very positive one. I > was very happy to learn that the tech support guy who was helping me > actually knew how to work with VoiceOver, and didn't freak out on me > when I told him I was blind and consequently use VoiceOver to work my > iPod Touch! I've heard stories of Apple care experiences from blind > people in which they have called general tech support and the rep > didn't know how to work VoiceOver, forcing them to have to be transferred to the accessibility department. > However, I personally have never had this experience, and have always > been very happy with Apple tech support. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:13 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue > > I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go to > the apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They give > very good custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck Lavonnya > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: > >> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but >> the > contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. > Anyone know what's going on? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have > noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through > them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," > but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone > have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can give me. >>> Best, >>> Sophie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for > nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40 >>> g >>> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40g >> m >> ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 00:50:40 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 20:50:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] scanning documents was RE: curing blindness Message-ID: <002e01cda037$f2a557a0$d7f006e0$@gmail.com> Hi Sophie, I know Serotek's DocuScan Plus scanning software is supported by the = Mac. Not sure about Kurzweil though. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 7:40 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Can a Macbook laptop scan documents? I have the Saytext app on my phone = and am still figuring it out, but it doesn't seem all that accurate. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Arielle, That is my reaction too. It made Mr. Lloyd able to pass as=20 sighted, but his vision was so fuzzy that it really did not help him act like a=20 sighted person. Want to bet that when he got to work, he had to use jaws=20 or other adaptive tools to do his work? His vision simply was not at that=20 point to read print and use a computer to function as sighted at work. I share your concern that those getting treatment to restore=20 some vision would give up proven blindness techniques in favor of the=20 rudimentary vision and therefore they would struggle more than they were as a blind=20 person. I am not sure if I'd take treatment to get all vision. I think=20 it would be such a psychological and physical adjustment. I'd have to really=20 weigh the pros and cons if such a thing were avaiable; I'd also consider=20 any side effects such treatment had. One benefit to having more vision is=20 the ability to read; if my vision were say 20/100 I might be able to read=20 more easily without fatigue. I'd only need some magnification and I'd be=20 able to read pretty well. I often wondered what it would be like to walk into=20 a hotel and be able to pick up those brochures about local events, read the restaurant menu as I pass by, pick up a local newspaper from the concierge,=20 and then go up to my room and read the tv listings on screen. I would have a very different experience. Oh, and I'd be able to=20 read the labels on the shampoo and lotion, and not have to ask someone. I=20 can see the colors, but they are often the same color, so still have to ask.=20 I do not want to put cream in my hair! Anyway, it?=99s a complex topic and I suspect that as treatment=20 comes available, some will take it while others will not. Those that=20 do not will opt out for many of the reasons articulated here. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Hi all, I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a=20 survey about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to=20 assess how blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight=20 restored. One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether=20 or not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the=20 sample said they would do it. While most of the participants said they would=20 do it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the=20 people who said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind=20 people, or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking=20 away from their quality of life. Another finding from the survey was that most people said in=20 order for a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to=20 give them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I=20 do think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only=20 give very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps=20 lead people like the man in the article to forego using a proven=20 travel aid like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a=20 result, people who have these procedures could actually end up=20 struggling more than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced=20 that Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial=20 vision, beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes=20 him better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at=20 navigating his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think=20 the challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing"=20 without actually having good skills are evident to many of us. I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision,=20 for several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the=20 technology was extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could=20 actually give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not=20 sure I would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to=20 go through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do=20 not want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I=20 have more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support=20 research on curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about=20 this. I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send=20 my blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to=20 do it and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do=20 think that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't=20 have access to technology or who live in communities where blindness=20 is viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the=20 negative press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented=20 groups like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I=20 believe that no matter how good treatments get, some people will=20 continue to be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward=20 finding ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than=20 wiping out blindness. What do you think? Arielle On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Hi all, I know NFB doesn?=99t focus on treatment of blindness or low=20 vision; they focus on living with it and adapting to the world with training and=20 equipment. But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation=20 Fighting Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the=20 article was sure taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and=20 only relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates=20 its hard to focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he=20 claims its perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does=20 have through the camera. I?=99ve had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate=20 to be taught braille after they taught me large print, but realized its=20 shortcomings; so I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school.=20 Training in O&M was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well=20 as other alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. Therefore, I?=99m adapting and still learning with what I have.=20 Techniques will also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we=20 had no digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way=20 to download books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around=20 although not to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said,=20 I?=99m not sure I?=99d want more vision. But this article paints a picture of=20 getting some vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter=20 the sighted world as I would not know how to function. If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take=20 artificial vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve=20 the technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends=20 signals to the eyes so the person can see some images. Here it is. =20 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may -bring-sight-back-to-blind/ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account=20 info for nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account=20 info for nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account=20 info for nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account=20 info for nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account=20 info for nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info=20 for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info=20 for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 01:10:32 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:10:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Apple's customer service wasRE: iphone issue Message-ID: <506a3f33.0662650a.3b89.38cf@mx.google.com> You know, Apple has an accessability hotline designed specifically for us. The number is 877-204-3930. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: Hi LaVonya and everyone, We don't have an Apple store here in Carroll county, but I have called Apple, and my customer service experience was a very positive one. I was very happy to learn that the tech support guy who was helping me actually knew how to work with VoiceOver, and didn't freak out on me when I told him I was blind and consequently use VoiceOver to work my iPod Touch! I've heard stories of Apple care experiences from blind people in which they have called general tech support and the rep didn't know how to work VoiceOver, forcing them to have to be transferred to the accessibility department. However, I personally have never had this experience, and have always been very happy with Apple tech support. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go to the apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They give very good custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck Lavonnya Sent from my iPad On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but the contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. Anyone know what's going on? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist References: <002e01cda037$f2a557a0$d7f006e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B927D69-F505-4FAE-9438-2B825404E2DF@me.com> There are a number of accessible scanning and OCR options for the Mac. In addition to the Docuscan application mentioned by Chris, another popular option is the combination of VueScan for high-quality scanning and ABBYY FineReader Express for OCR. While there is no Mac version of Kurzweil 1000, there is a Mac version of Kurzweil 3000 which in my recent testing seems to be partially VO accessible. The 3000 application is really geared toward Users who have print disabilities other than total blindness, but there are some keyboard shortcuts that make it mostly usable without vision, and it can do the scanning, skew adjustments and OCR of the Windows 1000 version. Free trial versions of VueScan, ABBYY & Kurzweil can all be downloaded from their respective websites. HTH, Bryan On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I know Serotek's DocuScan Plus scanning software is supported by the Mac. > Not sure about Kurzweil though. From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 01:17:52 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 21:17:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Apple's customer service wasRE: iphone issue In-Reply-To: <002801cda037$59064140$0b12c3c0$@gmail.com> References: <002801cda037$59064140$0b12c3c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <348E39C2-73E8-4007-9B70-FE79F8F0E6C4@gmail.com> i have to get my brother to help in most stores. but at apple not only did the rep no how to get my attention, as i spin around most of the time, that is when i am not jumping up and down, or rubbing things on my cheeks, but they let me use their laptop to communicate with them. that is how i got them to turn on voice over and i told them about the n f b. and they understood, and fixed my ipad to voiceover and larg text. i can only see large print, but i do better with a combo of large print, pictures, and speech. Sent from my iPad On Oct 1, 2012, at 20:46, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > Hi LaVonya, > > No, I got a good person, as you did. I guess these other people happened to > get reps who didn't know VoiceOver. But I'll give Apple credit here; they've > really devoted a lot of attension to putting accessibility into their > products and teaching their tech support people how to work with the > accessibility features and with people who have disabilities. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue > > really? I had them set up speech for me. maybe you just got the wrong > people. They even knew how to deal with my autism, witch is even more rare > then blindnes. I would call a few times, or even I would be willing to help > u. email me off list. i use tty and got alot done that. I would help u > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 19:55, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > >> Hi LaVonya and everyone, >> >> We don't have an Apple store here in Carroll county, but I have called >> Apple, and my customer service experience was a very positive one. I >> was very happy to learn that the tech support guy who was helping me >> actually knew how to work with VoiceOver, and didn't freak out on me >> when I told him I was blind and consequently use VoiceOver to work my >> iPod Touch! I've heard stories of Apple care experiences from blind >> people in which they have called general tech support and the rep >> didn't know how to work VoiceOver, forcing them to have to be transferred > to the accessibility department. >> However, I personally have never had this experience, and have always >> been very happy with Apple tech support. >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:13 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >> >> I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go to >> the apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They give >> very good custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck Lavonnya >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: >> >>> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but >>> the >> contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. >> Anyone know what's going on? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist > wrote: >>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have >> noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through >> them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," >> but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone >> have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can > give me. >>>> Best, >>>> Sophie >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40 >>>> g >>>> mail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40g >>> m >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >> mail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gm >> ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 01:20:08 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 21:20:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Apple's customer service wasRE: iphone issue In-Reply-To: <506a3f33.0662650a.3b89.38cf@mx.google.com> References: <506a3f33.0662650a.3b89.38cf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <780D121A-340B-4D22-ABE3-4B46AC6FD3E8@gmail.com> will someone email me off list the number, so i can save it. hanks Sent from my iPad On Oct 1, 2012, at 21:10, Sophie Trist wrote: > You know, Apple has an accessability hotline designed specifically for us. The number is 877-204-3930. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 20:46:22 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Apple's customer service wasRE: iphone issue > > Hi LaVonya, > > No, I got a good person, as you did. I guess these other people happened to > get reps who didn't know VoiceOver. But I'll give Apple credit here; they've > really devoted a lot of attension to putting accessibility into their > products and teaching their tech support people how to work with the > accessibility features and with people who have disabilities. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue > > really? I had them set up speech for me. maybe you just got the wrong > people. They even knew how to deal with my autism, witch is even more rare > then blindnes. I would call a few times, or even I would be willing to help > u. email me off list. i use tty and got alot done that. I would help u > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 19:55, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > > Hi LaVonya and everyone, > > We don't have an Apple store here in Carroll county, but I have called > Apple, and my customer service experience was a very positive one. I > was very happy to learn that the tech support guy who was helping me > actually knew how to work with VoiceOver, and didn't freak out on me > when I told him I was blind and consequently use VoiceOver to work my > iPod Touch! I've heard stories of Apple care experiences from blind > people in which they have called general tech support and the rep > didn't know how to work VoiceOver, forcing them to have to be transferred > to the accessibility department. > However, I personally have never had this experience, and have always > been very happy with Apple tech support. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:13 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue > > I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go to > the apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They give > very good custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck Lavonnya > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: > > I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but > the > contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. > Anyone know what's going on? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Dear List: > > Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have > noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through > them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," > but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone > have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can > give me. > Best, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40 > g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416 > %40g > m > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40g > mail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416 > %40gm > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Tue Oct 2 01:39:13 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:39:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BANA-Announce] BANA Announces Fall Board Meeting in Los Angeles Message-ID: > >Press Release > >September 2012 > > > >For Immediate Release > >CONTACT: Frances Mary D’Andrea, Chair > >Braille Authority of North America > >Phone: 412-521-5797 > >Email: literacy2 at mindspring.com > > > >BANA to Hold Fall Board Meeting in Los Angeles > > > >The Braille Authority of North America (BANA), >which meets face-to-face semiannually, will hold >its fall meeting on November 2–4, 2012, in Los >Angeles, CA. This meeting is hosted by the >Braille Institute of America (BIA), a BANA >member organization. Meetings on November 2, >including an Open Forum, will take place at the >BIA, which is located at 741 North Vermont >Avenue in Los Angeles, CA. Meetings on November >3 and 4 will be held at the Los Angeles Marriot >Burbank Airport Hotel and Convention Center >located at 2500 North Hollywood Way in Burbank. > > > >BANA will host an Open Forum on Friday morning, >November 2, from 10:00 AM until 12:00. The first >half-hour will be an informal reception with >coffee provided. This forum is the venue for >participants to ask questions and discuss >braille with the Board and to learn more about >the workings of BANA. Members of the BANA Board >want to hear participants’ views about issues >surrounding braille and its future. Braille >readers, teachers, and producers of braille are >encouraged to take advantage of this opportunity >to participate in a round-table discussion with >the members of the BANA Board. To reserve your >space at the Open Forum and to help ensure >accurate counts for handouts, contact Frances >Mary D’Andrea at 412-521-5797 or by email at >literacy2 at mindspring.com. > > > >As always, interested parties are invited to >observe the BANA Board meetings. Items on the >Board’s agenda include reports from all of >BANA's committees as well as votes pertaining to >the future of braille codes in the United >States. One direction under consideration is the >adoption of Unified English Braille while >maintaining the Nemeth Code. To reserve a seat >as an observer, please contact BANA Chair Frances Mary D’Andrea. > > > >For additional resource information, visit >www.brailleauthority.org > > > >The mission and purpose of the Braille Authority >of North America are to assure literacy for >tactile readers through the standardization of >braille and/or tactile graphics. BANA promotes >and facilitates the use, teaching, and >production of braille. It publishes rules, >interprets, and renders opinions pertaining to >braille in all existing codes. It deals with >codes now in existence or to be developed in the >future, in collaboration with other countries >using English braille. In exercising its >function and authority, BANA considers the >effects of its decisions on other existing >braille codes and formats; the ease of >production by various methods; and acceptability to readers. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Oct 2 01:43:11 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 21:43:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] curing blindness In-Reply-To: References: <78BE23471CAC4B0D9F0D945BCDD0BB45@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <07C605BF42D2448AB5E93C08A2DDC385@OwnerPC> Desiree, Thanks. I read up on it and yes, its on sale to certain groups of buyers. I also shutter at the price when its fully released. Well, at least its another option to the other notetakers. Also, I do like the idea of that scanner built into the notetaker. how cool -----Original Message----- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:41 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness Ashley, The new Braille Plus is actually out now for preorder. If I understand correctly, only organizations or state agencies can buy it at this point. Unfortunately, it's quite expensive, even at this stage. The preorder price is $3,299. I shudder to think how much more it's going to rise when they unveil the full price and start selling it to the public. i was extremely disappointed when I saw the price, because it's a device I would love to have. It sounds like it's going to run circles around every other note taker that's currently on the market. I guess it's so expensive because this model includes a Braille display, and that does drastically increase price. On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Desiree, > Thanks for the info. So when is the braille plus coming out? Then, how > much > > will this cost? > I hope less than human ware and freedom scientific charge. > > You're right it will be able to scan documents. But you still would have > to > > have this thing in a paper form to scan it. Many information literacy > things > > I speak of are not something you can handle, but are things you simply > look > > at as a pedestrian or traveler traveling by. But, still, I think this is a > big step in bringing us information literacy the sighted people have; > many > > things are able to be handled after all. Restaurants have paper menus for > people to look at for take out food. Most brochures and tourbooks you can > grab and would be scannable. I'll research the braille plus. I did not > know > > APH was remaking that product and coming out with a new version. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Desiree Oudinot > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness > > Hi Ashley, > That's a good point about restaurant menus and brochures, but > technology is improving in regards to that. I was just reading about > the new Braille Plus which is made by APH, and how it's going to be > running Android, so will be an extremely powerful note taker. I bring > this up because it also includes a camera, and it said that something > like that could be used for scanning menus and other things like you > described. I'm not sure if it's going to be able to do bar code > scanning. Perhaps so, considering that you're supposed to be able to > download Android aps, but since I'm pretty unfamiliar with the Android > OS, I'm not sure if there is one for bar code scanning yet. Anyway, > this is a big step up for people who don't want to use touch screens > but desire some of the things you describe, since I know the IPhone > can do this stuff too, but some people have their reasons for not > wanting to use touch screens. > > On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Arielle, >> That is my reaction too. It made Mr. Lloyd able to pass as sighted, but >> his >> >> vision was so fuzzy that it really did not help him act like a sighted >> person. Want to bet that when he got to work, he had to use jaws or other >> adaptive tools to do his work? His vision simply was not at that point to >> read print and use a computer to function as sighted at work. >> I share your concern that those getting treatment to restore some vision >> would give up proven blindness techniques in favor of the rudimentary >> vision >> >> and therefore they would struggle more than they were as a blind person. >> >> I am not sure if I'd take treatment to get all vision. I think it would >> be >> such a psychological and physical adjustment. I'd have to really weigh >> the >> pros and cons if such a thing were avaiable; I'd also consider any side >> effects such treatment had. One benefit to having more vision is the >> ability >> >> to read; if my vision were say 20/100 I might be able to read more easily >> without fatigue. I'd only need some magnification and I'd be able to read >> pretty well. I often wondered what it would be like to walk into a hotel >> and >> >> be able to pick up those brochures about local events, read the >> restaurant >> menu as I pass by, pick up a local newspaper from the concierge, and then >> >> go >> >> up to my room and read the tv listings on screen. >> I would have a very different experience. Oh, and I'd be able to read the >> labels on the shampoo and lotion, and not have to ask someone. I can see >> the >> >> colors, but they are often the same color, so still have to ask. I do not >> want to put cream in my hair! >> >> Anyway, it’s a complex topic and I suspect that as treatment comes >> available, some will take it while others will not. Those that do not >> will >> opt out for many of the reasons articulated here. >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:01 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] curing blindness >> >> Hi all, >> I have studied this topic a bit because it was the subject of my >> honors thesis when I was an undergraduate student. I did a survey >> about six years ago (a few of you may have participated) to assess how >> blind people felt about the prospect of having their sight restored. >> One of the most interesting findings was that when asked whether or >> not one would take a magic pill that would restore full vision >> immediately with no risks or side effects, only 72% of the sample said >> they would do it. While most of the participants said they would do >> it, a substantial minority (about 20%) said no. Some of the people who >> said no cited concerns about losing their identity as blind people, >> or having to adjust to a new sense and that possibly taking away >> from their quality of life. >> Another finding from the survey was that most people said in order for >> a sight-restoring technology to be worthwhile, it would have to give >> them most or all functional vision. I personally don't have any >> objection to the technology like the Argus II being developed. I do >> think it could be a problem, though, if technologies that only give >> very rudimentary vision become popularized. They could perhaps lead >> people like the man in the article to forego using a proven travel aid >> like a cane in favor of using very rudimentary vision. As a result, >> people who have these procedures could actually end up struggling more >> than they were before. Based on the article, I am not convinced that >> Lloyd has actually gained any independence from the artificial vision, >> beyond what he would have gotten with a cane. Instead, it makes him >> better at passing as a sighted guy, but possibly worse at navigating >> his environment because he is no longer using a cane. I think the >> challenges and self-esteem issues associated with "passing" without >> actually having good skills are evident to many of us. >> I don't think I would undergo a procedure to improve my vision, for >> several reasons. I wouldn't even consider it until the technology was >> extensively tested and perfected, and then, only if it could actually >> give me full functionality (driving etc.) Even then, I'm not sure I >> would do it because I am terrified of surgery and only want to go >> through that if it is absolutely medically necessary, and I do not >> want to put the rest of my life on hold to learn how to see. I have >> more ambivalent feelings about how much I want to support research on >> curing blindness, and I'm curious to know others' thoughts about this. >> I have a genetic eye condition and have been told I should send my >> blood to a lab to have my gene identified because this will aid >> research on genetic treatments. I've debated whether or not to do it >> and at this point I am mostly indifferent. On one hand, I do think >> that treatments could legitimately help some people who don't have >> access to technology or who live in communities where blindness is >> viewed very poorly. On the other hand, I am bothered by the negative >> press about blindness that is often propagated by cure-oriented groups >> like Prevent Blindness America or Foundation Fighting Blindness, >> making me not want to support these causes. Furthermore, I believe >> that no matter how good treatments get, some people will continue to >> be blind. So I would rather direct my limited energy toward finding >> ways to make life better for those who are blind rather than wiping >> out blindness. What do you think? >> Arielle >> >> On 9/30/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I know NFB doesn’t focus on treatment of blindness or low vision; they >>> focus >>> on living with it and adapting to the world with training and equipment. >>> But many organizations do focus on this such as Foundation Fighting >>> Blindness and the organization mentioned in this article. >>> The link is below to the article. I think this guy in the article was >>> sure >>> taking a gamble with his life to walk to work without a cane and only >>> relying on unclear vision. At least the quote from him indicates its >>> hard >>> >>> to >>> focus and learn to see with this artificial vision; not as if he claims >>> its >>> perfect. Still he is happy with the artificial vision he does have >>> through >>> the camera. >>> >>> I’ve had very limited vision all my life and I was fortunate to be >>> taught >>> braille after they taught me large print, but realized its shortcomings; >>> so >>> I learned braille and I had a cane in mid elementary school. Training in >>> O&M >>> was a lot to be desired, but I did learn how to use it as well as other >>> alternative techniques from my teacher of the vision impaired. >>> Therefore, I’m adapting and still learning with what I have. Techniques >>> will >>> also change with technology; for instance, when I was young, we had no >>> digital recorders, digital NLS players, no book share or any way to >>> download >>> books in braille, no bar code readers, and scanners were around although >>> not >>> to the efficient degree we have today. So, with all that said, I’m not >>> sure >>> I’d want more vision. But this article paints a picture of getting some >>> vision back as a good thing. I certainly would not want to enter the >>> sighted >>> world as I would not know how to function. >>> >>> >>> If you read the article, what do you think? Would you take artificial >>> vision? This is becoming a reality and they are going to improve the >>> technology. The chip sends signals to the camera which sends signals to >>> the >>> eyes so the person can see some images. >>> >>> Here it is. >>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57522740/new-technology-may-bring-sight-back-to-blind/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From coasterfreak88 at me.com Tue Oct 2 01:46:15 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:46:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Apple's customer service wasRE: iphone issue In-Reply-To: <506a3f33.0662650a.3b89.38cf@mx.google.com> References: <506a3f33.0662650a.3b89.38cf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46343B09-B957-4D59-98D6-1BD027DA11C5@me.com> Thank you Sophie. I'd been about to ask for that number. From coastergirl92 at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 02:27:23 2012 From: coastergirl92 at gmail.com (Sarah) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 19:27:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Roller Coasters Message-ID: <506a5126.0ad3440a.5a81.0a14@mx.google.com> Hi Jonhn. My name is Sarah and I'm a roller coaster enthusiast. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Moore Hey everyone! I've drafted up a short document that spells out what people need to know about accessible voting. It is attached as a docx file and a pdf. I sent it out to my university's college republicans, college democrats, office for active citizenship and service, and disabilities services. Along with an explanation of the motivation for sending the flyer (?), I asked the people I was emailing to distribute it along with their other materials, especially if they notice someone who is disabled. I also mentioned that if anyone has any questions, they can email me personally and offered to speak at any events they are having. Maybe you guys can do the same. Good luck! Stephanie In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: accessible_voting_pamphlet.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 170918 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: accessible_voting_pamphlet.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 99029 bytes Desc: not available URL: From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 02:49:37 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 20:49:37 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, In your experience, is IOS 6 an improvement over IOS5 in terms of accessibility or otherwise? I guess I'm kind of techno-lazy, but I usually don't like to install upgrades until I've verified that the upgrade is actually an improvement and that the benefits of upgrading outweigh any bugs. Arielle On 10/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Gloria, > > Since you are typing in an email address, the period and at signs are > automatically put on the keyboard to the left of the return key, which is > at > the bottom right corner of the screen. So, if you touch the bottom right > corner of the screen and VoiceOver says "return," move your finger to the > left until you touch a key and VoiceOver says "at." Then simply double tap > on it and it will be typed in. If you need to type an at sign and you're > not > in a screen in which the at sign is automatically put on the keyboard, > double tap the "more, numbers" key at the bottom left corner of the screen, > then move your finger to the right until you touch the at sign, then double > tap it. Good luck with your new iPhone! > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Gloria G > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:03 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue > > Hi, > I am a new I-phone user and am still trying to learn the different > functions. This is also my first touch screen phone. I am trying to set up > my email on the i-phone and am unable to locate the at sign. Can anyone > help? > Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue > > >> Hi LaVonya and everyone, >> >> We don't have an Apple store here in Carroll county, but I have called >> Apple, and my customer service experience was a very positive one. I >> was very happy to learn that the tech support guy who was helping me >> actually knew how to work with VoiceOver, and didn't freak out on me >> when I told him I was blind and consequently use VoiceOver to work my >> iPod Touch! I've heard stories of Apple care experiences from blind >> people in which they have called general tech support and the rep >> didn't know how to work VoiceOver, forcing them to have to be >> transferred to the accessibility department. >> However, I personally have never had this experience, and have always >> been very happy with Apple tech support. >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:13 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >> >> I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go to >> the apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They give >> very good custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck Lavonnya >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: >> >>> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but >>> the >> contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. >> Anyone know what's going on? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have >> noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through >> them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," >> but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone >> have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all >> can give me. >>>> Best, >>>> Sophie >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40 >>>> g >>>> mail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40g >>> m >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >> mail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gm >> ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 03:00:07 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 21:00:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] taking the psat in a couple of weeks, have some questions In-Reply-To: <506a1f7d.6ae3440a.6bc1.ffffeae8@mx.google.com> References: <506a1f7d.6ae3440a.6bc1.ffffeae8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Vejas, Have you asked your TVI if you can get access to any Braille materials for practice? The company that makes the PSAT (is it College Board?) may have some if you request them. Also, if you have friends who are taking the PSAT at the same time you are, you could get together and study with them. Arielle On 10/1/12, vejas wrote: > Hi All, > I'm taking the pre SAT almost 3 weeks from now, and I would > really like to have some information from some of you who've > taken it. > I was given a packet (in print) of SAT information, including > formulas, diagrams, reading questions, etc. Do you know if any > of this information is available online? When you got a packet > like that, how did you make the information accessible to you? > How much time did you take to study? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 03:06:19 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 21:06:19 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Arielle, If accessibility is your main concern, I'd probably suggest sticking with IOS 5.1 until they update 6. The new OS is about as accessible as IOS 5 but, unfortunately, there are a few bugs that tend to get in the way every now and again. If you want the new features and something that's almost as accessible as the last version, go for it. Otherwise, if accessibility takes priority, I'd wait for a little while. I'm not saying the new OS isn't accessible, it's just slightly buggier which, in my opinion, makes it nominally less accessible. On 10/1/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > In your experience, is IOS 6 an improvement over IOS5 in terms of > accessibility or otherwise? > I guess I'm kind of techno-lazy, but I usually don't like to install > upgrades until I've verified that the upgrade is actually an > improvement and that the benefits of upgrading outweigh any bugs. > Arielle > > On 10/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Gloria, >> >> Since you are typing in an email address, the period and at signs are >> automatically put on the keyboard to the left of the return key, which is >> at >> the bottom right corner of the screen. So, if you touch the bottom right >> corner of the screen and VoiceOver says "return," move your finger to the >> left until you touch a key and VoiceOver says "at." Then simply double >> tap >> on it and it will be typed in. If you need to type an at sign and you're >> not >> in a screen in which the at sign is automatically put on the keyboard, >> double tap the "more, numbers" key at the bottom left corner of the >> screen, >> then move your finger to the right until you touch the at sign, then >> double >> tap it. Good luck with your new iPhone! >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Gloria G >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:03 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >> >> Hi, >> I am a new I-phone user and am still trying to learn the different >> functions. This is also my first touch screen phone. I am trying to set >> up >> my email on the i-phone and am unable to locate the at sign. Can anyone >> help? >> Thanks >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >> >> >>> Hi LaVonya and everyone, >>> >>> We don't have an Apple store here in Carroll county, but I have called >>> Apple, and my customer service experience was a very positive one. I >>> was very happy to learn that the tech support guy who was helping me >>> actually knew how to work with VoiceOver, and didn't freak out on me >>> when I told him I was blind and consequently use VoiceOver to work my >>> iPod Touch! I've heard stories of Apple care experiences from blind >>> people in which they have called general tech support and the rep >>> didn't know how to work VoiceOver, forcing them to have to be >>> transferred to the accessibility department. >>> However, I personally have never had this experience, and have always >>> been very happy with Apple tech support. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner >>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:13 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >>> >>> I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go to >>> the apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They give >>> very good custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck Lavonnya >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: >>> >>>> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but >>>> the >>> contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. >>> Anyone know what's going on? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear List: >>>>> >>>>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have >>> noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through >>> them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," >>> but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone >>> have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all >>> can give me. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Sophie >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40 >>>>> g >>>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40g >>>> m >>>> ail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >>> mail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 04:01:48 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 22:01:48 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions wanted on an event. In-Reply-To: <840628F1-10D6-4B1C-8821-813D0CE5CC58@me.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20121001044504.01d17e18@comcast.net> <840628F1-10D6-4B1C-8821-813D0CE5CC58@me.com> Message-ID: Hi John, As you may know, I am doing research for my dissertation on how blindness simulations affect attitudes about blindness. At this point in my research I have found that brief blindness simulations, if not done carefully and with the involvement of blind people, can do quite a bit of harm. I do believe it is possible to conduct a simulation that is not harmful, but I am still a little doubtful of how much a simulation could actually help foster more positive attitudes. If you do go the simulation route, I think it is imperative to include tasks that are simple enough for a blindfolded person to do a good job at them after only a short bit of training. For example, a cane walk should be relatively simple and short-distance, and ideally include a lot of guidance from blind people. One finding from my early research is that the more trouble people have during simulations, the more negative their attitudes become. If you include tasks that people can do well at, or learn how to do nonvisually in a brief period of time, the simulation may not be harmful. The headphone thing may actually be a decent idea. However, I still question whether the simulations actually benefit people more than doing nothing at all. Two other things you should do. First, I believe it is imperative to have at least one person with the disability either in charge of any activities specific to that disability, or at least on hand to answer questions. That means if you specifically focus on both blindness and mobility disabilities, you'll want to have someone who is blind and someone who uses a wheelchair who can both talk about the alternative techniques they use that are specific to their disability. Second, instead of doing physical simulations like cane walks or wheelchair rides, you might consider giving a talk where you have people imagine they are on an alien planet where, say, everybody else has X-ray vision or is able to fly. Have them imagine being treated like they are helpless, or unable to find a job, just because they walk instead of fly or because they read print instead of reading in X-ray. With some creativity, you could tell a story that shows how reading Braille isn't any worse than reading print, but the only reason blindness is considered a "disability" is because everybody else in society uses a different reading medium than you do and society is set up for the majority. Best of luck, Arielle On 10/1/12, John Moore wrote: > We'd need to figure out what to do if we were going to do that. We were not > going to have someone walk sighted guide. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From coasterfreak88 at me.com Tue Oct 2 06:25:30 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 01:25:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0D0D1611-D392-4576-B118-C04C2BD94924@me.com> As an IOS6 beta tester, let me say that it is better than it was when I first started using it in the days when only us devs got it. I do agree that there are a few bugs, but they are really small and are no big deal. I'm running it on a 4 and have had hardly any problems. I will say that the contacts issue mentioned is about the most bizarre thing I've ever heard of; nobody else I know is having that issue or has ever had it. The Facebook integration is absolutely fabulous. From coasterfreak88 at me.com Tue Oct 2 06:31:30 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 01:31:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions wanted on an event. In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20121001044504.01d17e18@comcast.net> <840628F1-10D6-4B1C-8821-813D0CE5CC58@me.com> Message-ID: <3E2296A3-57A9-4A96-9A96-B5592A025815@me.com> Hey Arielle. THanks a lot for this. There would be somebody present who is blind to answer questions. I am in charge of that particular section. THe talk is a really good idea and one we never thought about. We will also hopefully have a deaf simulation but I don't know yet. I'm going to forward this to our coordinator if you don't mind. Your feedback is great and I think you have some good angles to think about pursuing. From trillian551 at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 13:56:23 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 09:56:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] taking the psat in a couple of weeks, have some questions In-Reply-To: References: <506a1f7d.6ae3440a.6bc1.ffffeae8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Vejas and all, First, Vejas remember that the PSAT is an opportunity for you to prepare for the SAT, so don't stress about it too much! Colleges will never ever see those scores. It's a practice run. With that said, you should definitely take the opportunity to explore ways in which you will prepare for the SAT or ACT. ETS which creates the SAT series does have practice braille tests for SAT but I'm not entirely sure about PSAT. I really want to say they do but high school was over four years ago for me so I can't remember. Just go to ETS.org and you can get their phone number from there. Secondly, since you are a student you should have a bookshare account. Bookshare has the Princeton Review books for a ton of standardized tests, including PSAT. While the math section of the book is hard to read with JAWS or braille displays, the verbal and writing will be just fine. Finally, Learning Ally has the Princeton Review And Kaplan books for even more standardize tests so definitely check those out. When you are getting ready to take the SAT see if your school offers some kind of tutoring or preparation after school or before school program. In addition, if your teachers are giving out preparation materials to other students, they should give them in enough time to your TVI for them for them to get them to you in braille or whatever format you need. Hope that helps and good luck. Mary F On 10/1/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Vejas, > Have you asked your TVI if you can get access to any Braille materials > for practice? The company that makes the PSAT (is it College Board?) > may have some if you request them. > Also, if you have friends who are taking the PSAT at the same time you > are, you could get together and study with them. > Arielle > > On 10/1/12, vejas wrote: >> Hi All, >> I'm taking the pre SAT almost 3 weeks from now, and I would >> really like to have some information from some of you who've >> taken it. >> I was given a packet (in print) of SAT information, including >> formulas, diagrams, reading questions, etc. Do you know if any >> of this information is available online? When you got a packet >> like that, how did you make the information accessible to you? >> How much time did you take to study? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 19:16:30 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:16:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Future Reflections Latest Issues Message-ID: <506b3db4.aa7dec0a.3933.ffffb735@mx.google.com> Hello everyone I have a question for you. Do you know where I can find the latest issues of Future Reflections? Feel free to email me offlist. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 22:22:32 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 18:22:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Future Reflections Latest Issues In-Reply-To: <506b3db4.aa7dec0a.3933.ffffb735@mx.google.com> References: <506b3db4.aa7dec0a.3933.ffffb735@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <006f01cda0ec$6bb914b0$432b3e10$@gmail.com> Hi Roanna, Go to the NFB Web site (www.nfb.org.) Then click on Publications, then Future Reflections. The issues can be found there. The latest issues can also be found on Newsline if you are a subscriber to that service. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Baccchus Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 3:17 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Future Reflections Latest Issues Hello everyone I have a question for you. Do you know where I can find the latest issues of Future Reflections? Feel free to email me offlist. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 22:34:43 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 16:34:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: <0D0D1611-D392-4576-B118-C04C2BD94924@me.com> References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> <0D0D1611-D392-4576-B118-C04C2BD94924@me.com> Message-ID: John, I have a few bugs which are annoying enough that I can't just ignore them. My voiceover seems to lose focus randomly on web sites and in apps with lots of stuff on the screen. My phone has a hard time handling voiceover and ambient souds (mostly in games) at the same time. I tolerate this because I like the new features but it's really inconvenient sometimes. Best, Kirt On 10/2/12, John Moore wrote: > As an IOS6 beta tester, let me say that it is better than it was when I > first started using it in the days when only us devs got it. I do agree that > there are a few bugs, but they are really small and are no big deal. I'm > running it on a 4 and have had hardly any problems. I will say that the > contacts issue mentioned is about the most bizarre thing I've ever heard of; > nobody else I know is having that issue or has ever had it. The Facebook > integration is absolutely fabulous. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Oct 2 23:29:25 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:29:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Future Reflections Latest Issues In-Reply-To: <506b3db4.aa7dec0a.3933.ffffb735@mx.google.com> References: <506b3db4.aa7dec0a.3933.ffffb735@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0F70DD80BB314C81AA2998A86CE561C3@OwnerPC> you get it at the nfb site under publications. -----Original Message----- From: Roanna Baccchus Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 3:16 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Future Reflections Latest Issues Hello everyone I have a question for you. Do you know where I can find the latest issues of Future Reflections? Feel free to email me offlist. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 23:46:18 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 17:46:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> <0D0D1611-D392-4576-B118-C04C2BD94924@me.com> Message-ID: So what are the new features? Arielle On 10/2/12, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > John, > I have a few bugs which are annoying enough that I can't just ignore > them. My voiceover seems to lose focus randomly on web sites and in > apps with lots of stuff on the screen. My phone has a hard time > handling voiceover and ambient souds (mostly in games) at the same > time. I tolerate this because I like the new features but it's really > inconvenient sometimes. > Best, > Kirt > > On 10/2/12, John Moore wrote: >> As an IOS6 beta tester, let me say that it is better than it was when I >> first started using it in the days when only us devs got it. I do agree >> that >> there are a few bugs, but they are really small and are no big deal. I'm >> running it on a 4 and have had hardly any problems. I will say that the >> contacts issue mentioned is about the most bizarre thing I've ever heard >> of; >> nobody else I know is having that issue or has ever had it. The Facebook >> integration is absolutely fabulous. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 00:03:44 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 20:03:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> <0D0D1611-D392-4576-B118-C04C2BD94924@me.com> Message-ID: <00ba01cda0fa$8fe3c6b0$afab5410$@gmail.com> Kirt, Very interesting. I haven't noticed these things on my iPod Touch, although it might be a little different on an iPhone. I'll see if this happens when I get my iPhone this weekend! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 6:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue John, I have a few bugs which are annoying enough that I can't just ignore them. My voiceover seems to lose focus randomly on web sites and in apps with lots of stuff on the screen. My phone has a hard time handling voiceover and ambient souds (mostly in games) at the same time. I tolerate this because I like the new features but it's really inconvenient sometimes. Best, Kirt On 10/2/12, John Moore wrote: > As an IOS6 beta tester, let me say that it is better than it was when > I first started using it in the days when only us devs got it. I do > agree that there are a few bugs, but they are really small and are no > big deal. I'm running it on a 4 and have had hardly any problems. I > will say that the contacts issue mentioned is about the most bizarre > thing I've ever heard of; nobody else I know is having that issue or > has ever had it. The Facebook integration is absolutely fabulous. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40g > mail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From mworkman.lists at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 00:40:36 2012 From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 18:40:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> <0D0D1611-D392-4576-B118-C04C2BD94924@me.com> Message-ID: <9BC16433-B9F5-4FB7-BDFD-ED97BB4AC13E@gmail.com> Arielle asked, > So what are the new features? From the AppleVis website at http://www.applevis.com/guides/ios/main-features-and-accessibility-changes-ios-6 The Main Features and Accessibility Changes in iOS 6 Submitted by David Woodbridge on 19 September 2012 Given below are the main features that are new in iOS 6, along with changes to accessibility and VoiceOver that have been identified. This is not a definitive list, so please post a comment to let us know of any further additions or changes that you think other VoiceOver users should be aware of. Main iOS features • New map app: get spoken turn by turn navigation (no longer Google maps). Spoken navigation not supported on all devices. • The Youtube app has been removed. • New Passbook app on main Home screen: tickets, boarding pass, cards, and coupons. • Bluetooth option previously in Settings/General now moved to main Settings screen directly below wi-fi, making it a bit faster to access. • Siri: now on the new iPad, get info on sport scores, restaurants, movies etc, launch apps, post to Facebook and Twitter. • Twitter integrated throughout the iOS: login into Twitter just once to setup, post from within apps (such as Safari), post from the Notifications Center, and of course use Siri to tweet on your behalf. • Facebook integrated throughout the iOS: login into Facebook just once to setup, post from within apps (such as Safari), post from the Notifications Center, and of course use Siri to post on your behalf. • FaceTime: now over cellular. • Phone app features: when declining a call, reply with a message or set a callback Reminder (VoiceOver users 1 finger double tap on Call Options), and the ability to set Do Not Disturb (besides can't miss contacts which are your favorite contacts). • Mail: VIP inbox. • Safari: iCloud tabs keeps track of what pages are open on your devices (including the Mac). • Find My iPhone: now with Lost Feature: send a phone number to your iPhone for the person to call who finds it. • Per Account Signatures in Mail: one signature for work email, one for personal etc. • Custom vibrations for alerts. • App in Safari Search Results – See app store search results in the Safari search results. • Made for iPhone Hearing Aids – Apple certified hearing aids that will work specifically with the iPhone and iPad. This feature also supposedly will only be supported on the iPhone 4S and 5. • Clock/Alarm with Song – Wake up with your favorite music in iOS 6. • Location Based Alerts for Find My Friends - Get an alert when kids leave school and more. Movement/renaming of controls in Settings (seen on iPhone 4s): Main Settings screen: • Bluetooth control is now directly under Wi-fi (moved from General). • Location services moved to new Privacy control (on main Settings screen). • New Do Not Disturb toggle. • The Brightness and WallPaper controls now combined in to one new control called Brightness & Wallpaper. • New Privacy control: contains Location Services, and a new Bluetooth Sharing toggle. • New Maps control: Voice Volume for turn by turn directions, distance setting for miles or kilometers, Map labels language, and size. • Store control renamed to new iTunes & App Stores control. • Photo control renamed to new Photos & Camera control. • New Facebook control (after the Twitter control). General: • Network control changed to Cellular control with the status of the cellular network shown: i.e. VoiceOver reads Cellular on (1 finger double tap to go in to the Cellular network settings as you would on the Network control). Cellular panel includes a new control Allow Apps having trouble with wifi data to use Cellular toggle with the options to allow iCloud documents, iTunes, FaceTime, Passbook updates, and Reading list (all individual toggles to turn each one on or off). • VPN now has its own control in the General settings screen (taken out of the network/cellular panel). Restrictions: • Categorized in to the following headings: Allow, Allowed content, new Privacy (heading), Allow changes, and Game center. • Allow: adds iBooks Store. • Privacy contains: Location services, Contacts, Calendars, Reminders, Photos, Bluetooth Sharing, Twitter, and Facebook: all controlling what apps have access to these settings. • A new option in Allowed changes is Volume limit: controlling whether the Volume of the device can be changed. • Accessibility:All accessibility options can be used at the same time: this includes VoiceOver and Zoom. New Learning: • Guided Access: Restrict touch input to certain parts of the screen, and prevent exiting the app by the Home button. New Physical/Motor: • Home click speed: adjust the speed required to activate double and triple click home (default, slow, and slowest - vibrates the iPhone to demonstrate). Triple click home: • Triple click: now with Guided Access, VoiceOver, invert colors, Zoom, and Assistive Touch all of which can be selected and/or used at the same time. If only one option selected, Triple click will turn that feature on/off with the Triple click home function, otherwise, it will Ask the user which feature to use. Some VoiceOver specific features: • In mail, rotor Actions option: can choose default action to open up a mail message or 1 finger flick up to Delete. • On-screen keyboard: in touch typing mode, no need to double tap on Shift, symbols/letters or Delete. • VoiceOver rotor now includes punctuation adjustment settings: set within the Rotor setting in the VoiceOver panel. • VoiceOver integrated in to Maps: i.e. able to get a list of points of interest. • VoiceOver works with Assistive Touch in setting up custom gestures. • VoiceOver works with Zoom. However, some VoiceOver gestures disabled. Braille specific notes: • iOS 6 fully supports the new Focus 14 Blue, all generations of the Focus 40 Blue, the Braille Edge from HIMS, the Perkins Mini, and both the Braille Sense Onhand, and both models of the U2. • Pressing space with I will bring up the item chooser. While this feature was available in iOS 5, there was no Braille keyboard command for this. • Bug fix: previous versions of iOS had a bug where when you moved to the previous or next option (space with dots 2-3 to go back and space 5-6 to go forward, if speech was muted, it would unmute. This has been corrected. iOS 6 is compatible with: • iPhone 3GS • iPhone 4 • iPhone 4S • iPhone 5 • iPod Touch 4th Generation • iPod Touch 5th Generation • iPad 2 • The new iPad On 2012-10-02, at 5:46 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > So what are the new features? > Arielle > > On 10/2/12, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >> John, >> I have a few bugs which are annoying enough that I can't just ignore >> them. My voiceover seems to lose focus randomly on web sites and in >> apps with lots of stuff on the screen. My phone has a hard time >> handling voiceover and ambient souds (mostly in games) at the same >> time. I tolerate this because I like the new features but it's really >> inconvenient sometimes. >> Best, >> Kirt >> >> On 10/2/12, John Moore wrote: >>> As an IOS6 beta tester, let me say that it is better than it was when I >>> first started using it in the days when only us devs got it. I do agree >>> that >>> there are a few bugs, but they are really small and are no big deal. I'm >>> running it on a 4 and have had hardly any problems. I will say that the >>> contacts issue mentioned is about the most bizarre thing I've ever heard >>> of; >>> nobody else I know is having that issue or has ever had it. The Facebook >>> integration is absolutely fabulous. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 01:29:45 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 21:29:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Moving Charts In Excel 2010 Message-ID: Hi all, I am currently taking a college course on Microsoft Office 2010, and I am on the unit about Excel. In the assignment, we were required to insert a chart, which I did, but I am supposed to reposition the chart to where the left upper corner of it lines up with Cell A17 in the Excel worksheet. I would like to know if there is any way to do this with JAWS 12? I tried searching the ribbons and tool bars with the chart selected, but I could not find an option to do this, and the textbook says that you have to drag the chart with the mouse, which is not doable with JAWS. Is there a way to do this that any of you know of? Thank you in advance, Misty From member at linkedin.com Wed Oct 3 03:52:14 2012 From: member at linkedin.com (Arielle Silverman via LinkedIn) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 03:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <901012423.3252095.1349236334838.JavaMail.app@ela4-app2312.prod> LinkedIn ------------ Arielle Silverman requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ Eric, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Arielle Accept invitation from Arielle Silverman http://www.linkedin.com/e/-qot5zu-h7twh6un-2a/2LScsQM0ZAGW3fi7AMe09Fk_pJsa/blk/I372974830_11/0UcDpKqiRzolZKqiRybmRSrCBvrmRLoORIrmkZt5YCpnlOt3RApnhMpmdzgmhxrSNBszYNclYMcPwQdPAOdPd9bPdAll9Nj45xbPsPcPsPc3cNejwLrCBxbOYWrSlI/eml-comm_invm-b-in_ac-inv28/?hs=false&tok=06mWBSdtjE85s1 View profile of Arielle Silverman http://www.linkedin.com/e/-qot5zu-h7twh6un-2a/rso/207502763/o1rW/name/85813888_I372974830_11/?hs=false&tok=2ftD1N8lTE85s1 ------------------------------------------ You are receiving Invitation emails. This email was intended for Eric Gaudes. Learn why this is included: http://www.linkedin.com/e/-qot5zu-h7twh6un-2a/plh/http%3A%2F%2Fhelp%2Elinkedin%2Ecom%2Fapp%2Fanswers%2Fdetail%2Fa_id%2F4788/-GXI/?hs=false&tok=331gV9UyrE85s1 (c) 2012, LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct, Mountain View, CA 94043, USA. From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 04:36:27 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 22:36:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Apologies Message-ID: I apologize; I thought I told LinkedIn not to send invites to people who weren't already on LinkedIn but apparently it didn't listen. Arielle From coasterfreak88 at me.com Wed Oct 3 04:59:51 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:59:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Apologies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm still trying to figure out how to connect with people in the first place. How did you do that? From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 07:36:53 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 01:36:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: <9BC16433-B9F5-4FB7-BDFD-ED97BB4AC13E@gmail.com> References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> <0D0D1611-D392-4576-B118-C04C2BD94924@me.com> <9BC16433-B9F5-4FB7-BDFD-ED97BB4AC13E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Siri works a lot faster. That' my favorite thing. Also, there's facebook integration built-in which I've not tested but most people love. Find ,y friends got a few nice upgrades; you can now have your phone alert you when a certain friend (who has given you permission) is at a certain place. In IOS 5 you could have asked it "where is Kirt?" and, assuming I had given you permission, it would tell you where I was. NOw you could say "let me know when Kirt is at his house", or something equally creepy. MOstly I just like the faster speed of everything; I'm using an iPhone 4s but It's been noticably faster since I jumped from IOS 5 to 6. And siri seems to understand things just a little bit better, too. Oh, and speaking of siri, you can now ask her to open apps, post to facebook, check sports scores, reserve seats at restaurants...and probably some other things I'm missing. Hope that helps, Kirt On 10/2/12, Marc Workman wrote: > Arielle asked, >> So what are the new features? > > From the AppleVis website at > http://www.applevis.com/guides/ios/main-features-and-accessibility-changes-ios-6 > > The Main Features and Accessibility Changes in iOS 6 > Submitted by David Woodbridge on 19 September 2012 > Given below are the main features that are new in iOS 6, along with changes > to accessibility and VoiceOver that have been identified. This is not a > definitive list, so please post a comment to let us know of any further > additions or changes that you think other VoiceOver users should be aware > of. > Main iOS features > • New map app: get spoken turn by turn navigation (no longer Google maps). > Spoken navigation not supported on all devices. > • The Youtube app has been removed. > • New Passbook app on main Home screen: tickets, boarding pass, cards, and > coupons. > • Bluetooth option previously in Settings/General now moved to main > Settings screen directly below wi-fi, making it a bit faster to access. > • Siri: now on the new iPad, get info on sport scores, restaurants, movies > etc, launch apps, post to Facebook and Twitter. > • Twitter integrated throughout the iOS: login into Twitter just once to > setup, post from within apps (such as Safari), post from the Notifications > Center, and of course use Siri to tweet on your behalf. > • Facebook integrated throughout the iOS: login into Facebook just once to > setup, post from within apps (such as Safari), post from the Notifications > Center, and of course use Siri to post on your behalf. > • FaceTime: now over cellular. > • Phone app features: when declining a call, reply with a message or set a > callback Reminder (VoiceOver users 1 finger double tap on Call Options), and > the ability to set Do Not Disturb (besides can't miss contacts which are > your favorite contacts). > • Mail: VIP inbox. > • Safari: iCloud tabs keeps track of what pages are open on your devices > (including the Mac). > • Find My iPhone: now with Lost Feature: send a phone number to your iPhone > for the person to call who finds it. > • Per Account Signatures in Mail: one signature for work email, one for > personal etc. > • Custom vibrations for alerts. > • App in Safari Search Results – See app store search results in the Safari > search results. > • Made for iPhone Hearing Aids – Apple certified hearing aids that will > work specifically with the iPhone and iPad. This feature also supposedly > will only be supported on the iPhone 4S and 5. > • Clock/Alarm with Song – Wake up with your favorite music in iOS 6. > • Location Based Alerts for Find My Friends - Get an alert when kids leave > school and more. > Movement/renaming of controls in Settings (seen on iPhone 4s): > Main Settings screen: > > • Bluetooth control is now directly under Wi-fi (moved from General). > • Location services moved to new Privacy control (on main Settings > screen). > • New Do Not Disturb toggle. > • The Brightness and WallPaper controls now combined in to one new control > called Brightness & Wallpaper. > • New Privacy control: contains Location Services, and a new Bluetooth > Sharing toggle. > • New Maps control: Voice Volume for turn by turn directions, distance > setting for miles or kilometers, Map labels language, and size. > • Store control renamed to new iTunes & App Stores control. > • Photo control renamed to new Photos & Camera control. > • New Facebook control (after the Twitter control). > General: > > • Network control changed to Cellular control with the status of the > cellular network shown: i.e. VoiceOver reads Cellular on (1 finger double > tap to go in to the Cellular network settings as you would on the Network > control). Cellular panel includes a new control Allow Apps having trouble > with wifi data to use Cellular toggle with the options to allow iCloud > documents, iTunes, FaceTime, Passbook updates, and Reading list (all > individual toggles to turn each one on or off). > • VPN now has its own control in the General settings screen (taken out of > the network/cellular panel). > Restrictions: > > • Categorized in to the following headings: Allow, Allowed content, new > Privacy (heading), Allow changes, and Game center. > • Allow: adds iBooks Store. > • Privacy contains: Location services, Contacts, Calendars, Reminders, > Photos, Bluetooth Sharing, Twitter, and Facebook: all controlling what apps > have access to these settings. > • A new option in Allowed changes is Volume limit: controlling whether the > Volume of the device can be changed. > • Accessibility:All accessibility options can be used at the same time: > this includes VoiceOver and Zoom. > New Learning: > > • Guided Access: Restrict touch input to certain parts of the screen, and > prevent exiting the app by the Home button. > New Physical/Motor: > > • Home click speed: adjust the speed required to activate double and triple > click home (default, slow, and slowest - vibrates the iPhone to > demonstrate). > Triple click home: > > • Triple click: now with Guided Access, VoiceOver, invert colors, Zoom, and > Assistive Touch all of which can be selected and/or used at the same time. > If only one option selected, Triple click will turn that feature on/off with > the Triple click home function, otherwise, it will Ask the user which > feature to use. > Some VoiceOver specific features: > • In mail, rotor Actions option: can choose default action to open up a > mail message or 1 finger flick up to Delete. > • On-screen keyboard: in touch typing mode, no need to double tap on Shift, > symbols/letters or Delete. > • VoiceOver rotor now includes punctuation adjustment settings: set within > the Rotor setting in the VoiceOver panel. > • VoiceOver integrated in to Maps: i.e. able to get a list of points of > interest. > • VoiceOver works with Assistive Touch in setting up custom gestures. > • VoiceOver works with Zoom. However, some VoiceOver gestures disabled. > Braille specific notes: > • iOS 6 fully supports the new Focus 14 Blue, all generations of the Focus > 40 Blue, the Braille Edge from HIMS, the Perkins Mini, and both the Braille > Sense Onhand, and both models of the U2. > • Pressing space with I will bring up the item chooser. While this feature > was available in iOS 5, there was no Braille keyboard command for this. > • Bug fix: previous versions of iOS had a bug where when you moved to the > previous or next option (space with dots 2-3 to go back and space 5-6 to go > forward, if speech was muted, it would unmute. This has been corrected. > iOS 6 is compatible with: > • iPhone 3GS > • iPhone 4 > • iPhone 4S > • iPhone 5 > • iPod Touch 4th Generation > • iPod Touch 5th Generation > • iPad 2 > • The new iPad > > On 2012-10-02, at 5:46 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> So what are the new features? >> Arielle >> >> On 10/2/12, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >>> John, >>> I have a few bugs which are annoying enough that I can't just ignore >>> them. My voiceover seems to lose focus randomly on web sites and in >>> apps with lots of stuff on the screen. My phone has a hard time >>> handling voiceover and ambient souds (mostly in games) at the same >>> time. I tolerate this because I like the new features but it's really >>> inconvenient sometimes. >>> Best, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 10/2/12, John Moore wrote: >>>> As an IOS6 beta tester, let me say that it is better than it was when I >>>> first started using it in the days when only us devs got it. I do agree >>>> that >>>> there are a few bugs, but they are really small and are no big deal. >>>> I'm >>>> running it on a 4 and have had hardly any problems. I will say that the >>>> contacts issue mentioned is about the most bizarre thing I've ever >>>> heard >>>> of; >>>> nobody else I know is having that issue or has ever had it. The >>>> Facebook >>>> integration is absolutely fabulous. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Oct 3 21:03:06 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:03:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Apologies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <627839BC523F45D396CC6834CEB6B6FF@OwnerPC> good question; haven't figured how to connect or link to people either. -----Original Message----- From: John Moore Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 12:59 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apologies I'm still trying to figure out how to connect with people in the first place. How did you do that? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 23:06:40 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:06:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <386EECDA-C9F1-49DF-82DF-DBC0496ABF0B@gmail.com> You can also just back up your phone and restore to iOS 6 via iTunes. I've used it on a 4S and also on the iPhone 5 and I don't have this problem. On Oct 1, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > There might be a legitimate bug, and if so, I'm sorry you're > experiencing that as I can see how it would be frustrating. However, I > would say that 99% of my random and weird iPhone issues can be fixed > in one of a few ways. You can do a simple reset by pressing your lock > button 6 times consecutively and quickly. There will be a pause, and > then VoiceOver will say "VoiceOver on." And you should be able to > continue using the phone normally. You can do a more thorough reset by > holding the lock button down for 10-15 seconds. This will restart your > phone. You can also just try restarting your phone the normal way. > Neither of the resets I suggested cause any changes in your settings > or information on the phone. You can also reset the settings; the > option is found in the settings menu, but note that it does reset > preferences you've set such as Wifi networks, VoiceOver preferences, > ringtones, etc. So since that one is the most cumbersome to set back > up, I usually leave that fix for my last try. If none of these help, > you can always contact Apple customer service. If you have already > tried these things, then sorry. They're great ideas for other people > experiencing oddities in their iPhones though. For me, these resets > have fixed everything from my phone not making calls to VoiceOver > lockups where it stops speaking to my speakers not working. iPhones do > funny things sometimes, but for me, they have fortunately been > relatively easy to fix. > > Cindy > > On 10/1/12, Jewel wrote: >> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but the >> contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. >> Anyone know what's going on? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have >>> noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through them, >>> they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," but then >>> have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone have an idea >>> if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can give me. >>> Best, >>> Sophie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cynthia Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 23:10:55 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:10:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It is an improvement in my opinion. I particularly enjoy custom actions, and the fact that touch typing mode is a lot more responsive now. The maps app works with VO in an incredible way. You can actually touch the map and follow streets etc. VO makes a particular noise when you follow a street, and lets you know when you get to an intersection etc. Turn by turn navigation is also accessible. What's for sure is that iOS 6 is not any worse than iOS 5, so just go ahead and update. No strange bugs or issues for me... On Oct 1, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > In your experience, is IOS 6 an improvement over IOS5 in terms of > accessibility or otherwise? > I guess I'm kind of techno-lazy, but I usually don't like to install > upgrades until I've verified that the upgrade is actually an > improvement and that the benefits of upgrading outweigh any bugs. > Arielle > > On 10/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Gloria, >> >> Since you are typing in an email address, the period and at signs are >> automatically put on the keyboard to the left of the return key, which is >> at >> the bottom right corner of the screen. So, if you touch the bottom right >> corner of the screen and VoiceOver says "return," move your finger to the >> left until you touch a key and VoiceOver says "at." Then simply double tap >> on it and it will be typed in. If you need to type an at sign and you're >> not >> in a screen in which the at sign is automatically put on the keyboard, >> double tap the "more, numbers" key at the bottom left corner of the screen, >> then move your finger to the right until you touch the at sign, then double >> tap it. Good luck with your new iPhone! >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Gloria G >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:03 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >> >> Hi, >> I am a new I-phone user and am still trying to learn the different >> functions. This is also my first touch screen phone. I am trying to set up >> my email on the i-phone and am unable to locate the at sign. Can anyone >> help? >> Thanks >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >> >> >>> Hi LaVonya and everyone, >>> >>> We don't have an Apple store here in Carroll county, but I have called >>> Apple, and my customer service experience was a very positive one. I >>> was very happy to learn that the tech support guy who was helping me >>> actually knew how to work with VoiceOver, and didn't freak out on me >>> when I told him I was blind and consequently use VoiceOver to work my >>> iPod Touch! I've heard stories of Apple care experiences from blind >>> people in which they have called general tech support and the rep >>> didn't know how to work VoiceOver, forcing them to have to be >>> transferred to the accessibility department. >>> However, I personally have never had this experience, and have always >>> been very happy with Apple tech support. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner >>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:13 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >>> >>> I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go to >>> the apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They give >>> very good custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck Lavonnya >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: >>> >>>> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but >>>> the >>> contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. >>> Anyone know what's going on? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear List: >>>>> >>>>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have >>> noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through >>> them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," >>> but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone >>> have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all >>> can give me. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Sophie >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40 >>>>> g >>>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40g >>>> m >>>> ail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >>> mail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 23:13:24 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:13:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> <0D0D1611-D392-4576-B118-C04C2BD94924@me.com> Message-ID: <0A526DE1-522B-49F0-8510-8BF394652BCB@gmail.com> Which phone are you using? Maybe iOS 6 runs a little slower on older devices…? I'm not experiencing any of these problems… I was using it on an iPHone 4S and now on an iPHone 5, and it's the same. On Oct 2, 2012, at 6:34 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > John, > I have a few bugs which are annoying enough that I can't just ignore > them. My voiceover seems to lose focus randomly on web sites and in > apps with lots of stuff on the screen. My phone has a hard time > handling voiceover and ambient souds (mostly in games) at the same > time. I tolerate this because I like the new features but it's really > inconvenient sometimes. > Best, > Kirt > > On 10/2/12, John Moore wrote: >> As an IOS6 beta tester, let me say that it is better than it was when I >> first started using it in the days when only us devs got it. I do agree that >> there are a few bugs, but they are really small and are no big deal. I'm >> running it on a 4 and have had hardly any problems. I will say that the >> contacts issue mentioned is about the most bizarre thing I've ever heard of; >> nobody else I know is having that issue or has ever had it. The Facebook >> integration is absolutely fabulous. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 23:11:54 2012 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:11:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Which bugs are you talking about? I haven't seen any… At least I haven't found any that affect my use of the phone in any way... On Oct 1, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Arielle, > If accessibility is your main concern, I'd probably suggest sticking > with IOS 5.1 until they update 6. The new OS is about as accessible > as IOS 5 but, unfortunately, there are a few bugs that tend to get in > the way every now and again. If you want the new features and > something that's almost as accessible as the last version, go for it. > Otherwise, if accessibility takes priority, I'd wait for a little > while. I'm not saying the new OS isn't accessible, it's just slightly > buggier which, in my opinion, makes it nominally less accessible. > > On 10/1/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi all, >> In your experience, is IOS 6 an improvement over IOS5 in terms of >> accessibility or otherwise? >> I guess I'm kind of techno-lazy, but I usually don't like to install >> upgrades until I've verified that the upgrade is actually an >> improvement and that the benefits of upgrading outweigh any bugs. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi Gloria, >>> >>> Since you are typing in an email address, the period and at signs are >>> automatically put on the keyboard to the left of the return key, which is >>> at >>> the bottom right corner of the screen. So, if you touch the bottom right >>> corner of the screen and VoiceOver says "return," move your finger to the >>> left until you touch a key and VoiceOver says "at." Then simply double >>> tap >>> on it and it will be typed in. If you need to type an at sign and you're >>> not >>> in a screen in which the at sign is automatically put on the keyboard, >>> double tap the "more, numbers" key at the bottom left corner of the >>> screen, >>> then move your finger to the right until you touch the at sign, then >>> double >>> tap it. Good luck with your new iPhone! >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Gloria G >>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:03 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >>> >>> Hi, >>> I am a new I-phone user and am still trying to learn the different >>> functions. This is also my first touch screen phone. I am trying to set >>> up >>> my email on the i-phone and am unable to locate the at sign. Can anyone >>> help? >>> Thanks >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >>> >>> >>>> Hi LaVonya and everyone, >>>> >>>> We don't have an Apple store here in Carroll county, but I have called >>>> Apple, and my customer service experience was a very positive one. I >>>> was very happy to learn that the tech support guy who was helping me >>>> actually knew how to work with VoiceOver, and didn't freak out on me >>>> when I told him I was blind and consequently use VoiceOver to work my >>>> iPod Touch! I've heard stories of Apple care experiences from blind >>>> people in which they have called general tech support and the rep >>>> didn't know how to work VoiceOver, forcing them to have to be >>>> transferred to the accessibility department. >>>> However, I personally have never had this experience, and have always >>>> been very happy with Apple tech support. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner >>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:13 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >>>> >>>> I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go to >>>> the apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They give >>>> very good custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck Lavonnya >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but >>>>> the >>>> contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. >>>> Anyone know what's going on? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear List: >>>>>> >>>>>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have >>>> noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through >>>> them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," >>>> but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does anyone >>>> have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all >>>> can give me. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Sophie >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40 >>>>>> g >>>>>> mail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40g >>>>> m >>>>> ail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >>>> mail.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gm >>>> ail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 00:57:09 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 20:57:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <522FE983-3589-4512-9CF9-3F4DD12AA00B@gmail.com> <006c01cda030$2f069f90$8d13deb0$@gmail.com> <002701cda036$e0151a90$a03f4fb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <01a401cda1cb$2f9c5520$8ed4ff60$@gmail.com> Me neither, nor have I experienced any accessibility issues. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 7:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue It is an improvement in my opinion. I particularly enjoy custom actions, and the fact that touch typing mode is a lot more responsive now. The maps app works with VO in an incredible way. You can actually touch the map and follow streets etc. VO makes a particular noise when you follow a street, and lets you know when you get to an intersection etc. Turn by turn navigation is also accessible. What's for sure is that iOS 6 is not any worse than iOS 5, so just go ahead and update. No strange bugs or issues for me... On Oct 1, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > In your experience, is IOS 6 an improvement over IOS5 in terms of > accessibility or otherwise? > I guess I'm kind of techno-lazy, but I usually don't like to install > upgrades until I've verified that the upgrade is actually an > improvement and that the benefits of upgrading outweigh any bugs. > Arielle > > On 10/1/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Gloria, >> >> Since you are typing in an email address, the period and at signs are >> automatically put on the keyboard to the left of the return key, >> which is at the bottom right corner of the screen. So, if you touch >> the bottom right corner of the screen and VoiceOver says "return," >> move your finger to the left until you touch a key and VoiceOver says >> "at." Then simply double tap on it and it will be typed in. If you >> need to type an at sign and you're not in a screen in which the at >> sign is automatically put on the keyboard, double tap the "more, >> numbers" key at the bottom left corner of the screen, then move your >> finger to the right until you touch the at sign, then double tap it. >> Good luck with your new iPhone! >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Gloria G >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:03 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >> >> Hi, >> I am a new I-phone user and am still trying to learn the different >> functions. This is also my first touch screen phone. I am trying to >> set up my email on the i-phone and am unable to locate the at sign. >> Can anyone help? >> Thanks >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >> >> >>> Hi LaVonya and everyone, >>> >>> We don't have an Apple store here in Carroll county, but I have >>> called Apple, and my customer service experience was a very positive >>> one. I was very happy to learn that the tech support guy who was >>> helping me actually knew how to work with VoiceOver, and didn't >>> freak out on me when I told him I was blind and consequently use >>> VoiceOver to work my iPod Touch! I've heard stories of Apple care >>> experiences from blind people in which they have called general tech >>> support and the rep didn't know how to work VoiceOver, forcing them >>> to have to be transferred to the accessibility department. >>> However, I personally have never had this experience, and have >>> always been very happy with Apple tech support. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner >>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:13 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue >>> >>> I have an ipad, and when I need help, i call apple. Sometimes i go >>> to the apple store, do any of you have an apple store neer you? They >>> give very good custmor servus. that might be an option. good luck >>> Lavonnya >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 17:57, Jewel wrote: >>> >>>> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up >>>> but the >>> contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. >>> Anyone know what's going on? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear List: >>>>> >>>>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I >>>>> have >>> noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through >>> them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital A," >>> but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does >>> anyone have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any >>> help y'all can give me. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Sophie >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2% >>>>> 40 >>>>> g >>>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%4 >>>> 0g >>>> m >>>> ail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%4 >>> 0g >>> mail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40 >>> gm >>> ail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40 >> gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail >> .com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gma > il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 01:01:00 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 21:01:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: <386EECDA-C9F1-49DF-82DF-DBC0496ABF0B@gmail.com> References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <386EECDA-C9F1-49DF-82DF-DBC0496ABF0B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <01a501cda1cb$b9395df0$2bac19d0$@gmail.com> Hi Ignasi and all, You could do it this way, but I did it in a different and (I think) easier way. If you still are running iOS 5 or 5.1, there should be a new item showing in your settings about updating to iOS 6. So, what I did was back my iPod Touch up via iCloud (if you don't know how to do this, please let me know,) then I went into settings, general, software update and followed the prompts to update to iOS 6. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 7:07 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue You can also just back up your phone and restore to iOS 6 via iTunes. I've used it on a 4S and also on the iPhone 5 and I don't have this problem. On Oct 1, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > There might be a legitimate bug, and if so, I'm sorry you're > experiencing that as I can see how it would be frustrating. However, I > would say that 99% of my random and weird iPhone issues can be fixed > in one of a few ways. You can do a simple reset by pressing your lock > button 6 times consecutively and quickly. There will be a pause, and > then VoiceOver will say "VoiceOver on." And you should be able to > continue using the phone normally. You can do a more thorough reset by > holding the lock button down for 10-15 seconds. This will restart your > phone. You can also just try restarting your phone the normal way. > Neither of the resets I suggested cause any changes in your settings > or information on the phone. You can also reset the settings; the > option is found in the settings menu, but note that it does reset > preferences you've set such as Wifi networks, VoiceOver preferences, > ringtones, etc. So since that one is the most cumbersome to set back > up, I usually leave that fix for my last try. If none of these help, > you can always contact Apple customer service. If you have already > tried these things, then sorry. They're great ideas for other people > experiencing oddities in their iPhones though. For me, these resets > have fixed everything from my phone not making calls to VoiceOver > lockups where it stops speaking to my speakers not working. iPhones do > funny things sometimes, but for me, they have fortunately been > relatively easy to fix. > > Cindy > > On 10/1/12, Jewel wrote: >> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but >> the contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same problem. >> Anyone know what's going on? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have >>> noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through >>> them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital >>> A," but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does >>> anyone have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help y'all can give me. >>> Best, >>> Sophie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40 >>> gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.c >> om >> > > > -- > Cynthia Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gma > il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 03:26:17 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 21:26:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone issue In-Reply-To: <01a501cda1cb$b9395df0$2bac19d0$@gmail.com> References: <5069fa62.3053ec0a.17bf.13f7@mx.google.com> <386EECDA-C9F1-49DF-82DF-DBC0496ABF0B@gmail.com> <01a501cda1cb$b9395df0$2bac19d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ignasi, I don't have space to write all the accessibility bugs people are having in ths email, so I'm directing you to an applevis forum discussion on the topic. As I've said before, the accessibility-related bugs I've seen so far are annoying and, I think, big enough to give the casual blind IOS user pause before upgrading. I decided I could tolerate those bugs because of the new features in IOS 6; to me, increased functionality is more important than perfect accessibility and IOS 6 is still accessible enough. So, for anyone interested, here's the link to the list of bugs I've alluded to. http://www.applevis.com/applevis-forum/ios-ios-app-discussion/ios-6-bug-list On 10/3/12, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Ignasi and all, > > You could do it this way, but I did it in a different and (I think) easier > way. If you still are running iOS 5 or 5.1, there should be a new item > showing in your settings about updating to iOS 6. So, what I did was back > my > iPod Touch up via iCloud (if you don't know how to do this, please let me > know,) then I went into settings, general, software update and followed the > prompts to update to iOS 6. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 7:07 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone issue > > You can also just back up your phone and restore to iOS 6 via iTunes. I've > used it on a 4S and also on the iPhone 5 and I don't have this problem. > On Oct 1, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Cynthia Bennett wrote: > >> There might be a legitimate bug, and if so, I'm sorry you're >> experiencing that as I can see how it would be frustrating. However, I >> would say that 99% of my random and weird iPhone issues can be fixed >> in one of a few ways. You can do a simple reset by pressing your lock >> button 6 times consecutively and quickly. There will be a pause, and >> then VoiceOver will say "VoiceOver on." And you should be able to >> continue using the phone normally. You can do a more thorough reset by >> holding the lock button down for 10-15 seconds. This will restart your >> phone. You can also just try restarting your phone the normal way. >> Neither of the resets I suggested cause any changes in your settings >> or information on the phone. You can also reset the settings; the >> option is found in the settings menu, but note that it does reset >> preferences you've set such as Wifi networks, VoiceOver preferences, >> ringtones, etc. So since that one is the most cumbersome to set back >> up, I usually leave that fix for my last try. If none of these help, >> you can always contact Apple customer service. If you have already >> tried these things, then sorry. They're great ideas for other people >> experiencing oddities in their iPhones though. For me, these resets >> have fixed everything from my phone not making calls to VoiceOver >> lockups where it stops speaking to my speakers not working. iPhones do >> funny things sometimes, but for me, they have fortunately been >> relatively easy to fix. >> >> Cindy >> >> On 10/1/12, Jewel wrote: >>> I have experienced something similar. Beheadings are jumbled up but >>> the contacts are not. I wish I had a solution but I have the same > problem. >>> Anyone know what's going on? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Sophie Trist > wrote: >>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> Last week, I updated my iPhone 4S to IOS 6. Ever since then, I have >>>> noticed something strange about my contacts. When I scroll through >>>> them, they're all jumbled up. For instance, it will show "Capital >>>> A," but then have the contacts that should be listed under B. Does >>>> anyone have an idea if this problem can be fixed? I appreciate any help > y'all can give me. >>>> Best, >>>> Sophie >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40 >>>> gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cynthia Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> 828.989.5383 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gma >> il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 02:00:24 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 20:00:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Apologies In-Reply-To: <627839BC523F45D396CC6834CEB6B6FF@OwnerPC> References: <627839BC523F45D396CC6834CEB6B6FF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I haven't gotten far with it yet, but when I first joined, it asked me to enter my email address and then offered to send connection invites to all my contacts who already have accounts on LinkedIn. Arielle On 10/3/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > good question; haven't figured how to connect or link to people either. > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Moore > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 12:59 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apologies > > I'm still trying to figure out how to connect with people in the first > place. How did you do that? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 22:27:10 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:27:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Your 2012 election news is here! In-Reply-To: <1111063109318.1102661541922.7123.9.45172010@scheduler.constantcontact.com> References: <1111063109318.1102661541922.7123.9.45172010@scheduler.constantcontact.com> Message-ID: <012701cda348$901b1840$b05148c0$@gmail.com> FYI, here is an announcement from NFB Newsline: From: NFB-NEWSLINE [mailto:nworley at nfb.org] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 5:24 PM To: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Subject: Your 2012 election news is here! Having trouble viewing this email? Click here Description: Image removed by sender. NFB-NEWSLINE NFB-NEWSLINE October 4, 2012 Dear CHRISTOPHER, Your 2012 election news is here! We are pleased to inform you about the addition of Election News and Information to the NFB-NEWSLINER telephone service and Web News on Demand. Now, NFB-NEWSLINER subscribers can listen to information from each of the presidential and vice-presidential candidates on their policies on education, economy and jobs, energy and environment, equal rights, healthcare, national security, and taxes. The information on the policies of each of the candidates is taken from their own official campaign websites and put on NFB-NEWSLINER to provide access for our subscribers. We have also created a customized newspaper and magazine publication containing articles, based on a search of the most popular newspapers and magazines for both the Democratic and Republican candidates The newspaper search has been done by using the names of the candidates, and it has been limited to the top fifty newspapers to make it more manageable. The list containing the top fifty newspapers used in performing this search is at the bottom of this announcement for your reference. The list of newspaper articles is divided into two issues: one containing articles from today's newspapers, and another containing articles from yesterday's newspapers. The articles are listed in chronological order, so that the most recent articles are on the top of the list, and those that were published earlier are toward the bottom of the list. There is also a separate list of searched magazine articles about the two presidential candidates containing the articles from the most recent magazine publications. To read election news on the telephone service, press the number 5 key in the main menu to select the option "to read newspapers in a different state." Then press 1 on the keypad to select "2012 Election News." Next there will be a list with the following options: To select the candidate for president, Democrat Barack Obama, press 1. To select the candidate for president, Republican Mitt Romney, press 2. To select the candidate for vice-president, Democrat Joe Biden, press 3. To select the candidate for vice-president, Republican Paul Ryan, press 4. To select the daily newspaper search results for Obama, press 5. To select the daily newspaper search results for Romney, press 6. Press the number 9 key to move to the next two items in the list in order to read the magazine articles. You will see the following two options: To select the magazine search results for Obama, press 1. To select the magazine search results for Romney, press 2. Once you make your selection in this menu, you will be taken to the next menu containing the list of the searched articles, or the sections containing articles pertaining to different issues, such as healthcare, homeland security, or education. The searched articles list can be searched even further for specific phrases. For example, to find all the articles about Colorado in the list of newspaper articles for president Obama, one may press the pound key twice to start a new search. 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For example, if NFB-NEWSLINER tells you that there are 200 articles in a section and you want to go to article 198, then you would press the number 1 key three times after hearing the system state that it was reading article 1. Those who want to do their own search for a topic and see all the occurrences of an article in all the different publications may do their own global search by typing their search terms. The global-search feature can be used by pressing 0 from the main menu, followed by number 4, and then 8, to create a new content search. You may type your search term by pressing 01 for the letter a, 02 for the letter b, 26 for the letter z, and so on. The first time you search for a term, it will be added to your list of terms, so that you don't have to type it again in the future. When you are in typing mode, you may press the pound key once to get typing help. When you are finished typing your search term, just dial 99 to start your search. Election News is also available on the NFB-NEWSLINER iPhone app. It can be accessed under the publications option by selecting Publication Groups and then selecting 2012 Presidential Election. You may also read election information on Web News on Demand at www.nfbnewsline.org . NFB-NEWSLINER is not responsible for the content of the material posted in its Election News section and does not support or promote any view of any candidate. The purpose of this additional service is to provide existing news and information to subscribers in an accessible format. Enjoy the Election News service, and have fun reading about your favorite candidate. -The NFB-NEWSLINER Team NFB-NEWSLINER National and Top Fifty Newspapers Being Used to Compile the Candidate Search Results National Newspapers: 1. Associated Press 2. The Christian Science Monitor 3. The New York Times 4. UPI NEWS Press 5. USA Today 6. The Wall Street Journal Top Fifty Newspapers by Circulation Ratings: 1. The Wall Street Journal 2. 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 332 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dwebster125 at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 04:02:57 2012 From: dwebster125 at gmail.com (david webster) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 23:02:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The 2012-2013 Braille Readers Are Leaders Adult Contest and the NABS Pennies for Pages Fundraiser In-Reply-To: <000001cda019$7f56bd70$7e043850$@com> References: <000001cda019$7f56bd70$7e043850$@com> Message-ID: Hay yy. Are you sure that the 1000000 is in my bank acouut On Oct 1, 2012 4:13 PM, "Gabe Cazares" wrote: Dear TABSters, NABSters, and Federation Family As you very well know, October 1 officially marks the beginning of Meet The Blind Month, as well as the registration period for the Adult Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest. Our very own National Association of Blind Students runs a fundraiser known as Pennies for Pages in conjunction with the Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest, and this year we're counting on you! The way it works: Much like a walkathon, the Pennies for Pages fundraiser counts on pledges. If you are pledging, you have the option to pledge a flat rate, or a certain amount per each page read. For example, if I were pledging a flat rate, I'd say I'll give $50.00 at the end of the contest period for your pages read. If I were pledging a certain amount per page, I'd say for every page you read I'll give you $0.25. It doesn't matter if you pledge a flat rate, or pledge a certain amount per page, the point is to collect pledges! At the end of the contest period, your pledge checks will be mailed to the NABS Treasurer, and the amount made by each state student division will be split 50/50 with NABS. What do I mean by that, I mean that whatever amount of money the Texas Association of Blind Students manages to collect, for example, will be split with NABS, meaning that TABS will get some of the money raised back, and so will your student division! So affiliate members and chapters, commit to pledge one or a group of students in your affiliate participating in this fundraiser! Find the pledge form here: http://www.nabslink.org How you can get involved: Sign up to participate in the 2012-2013 Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest, you have the option to sign up individually, or to make a team of 2 to 5 people and sign up that way! You don't have to be a student to read for the Pennies for Pages fundraiser! Whether you sign up on your lonesome, or make a group of Braille Superstars and sign up that way, it doesn't matter. The point is to sign up and put the fingers to the Braille! Find the signup form here: http://www.nfb.org/braille-readers-are-leaders-overview In addition to signing up, collect pledges! Ask your parents, your aunts and uncles, friends, employers, church members, who ever has money that you can get to, ask away! This fundraiser will help support both the excellent programs that NABS puts on for us, as well as supporting our local student divisions! Only your participation will have the ability to make this fundraiser successful! Let's see who the most active student division in NABS is for real, time to put our money where our mouth is! Out raise your fellow student divisions for the greatest prize of all, bragging rights! If you have any questions or concerns, or would like clarification with any portion of the #P4P fundraiser, please feel free to contact NABS President Sean Whalen or me. I look forward to a very competitive Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest, and Pennies for Pages fundraiser! All the best, Gabe Cazares, NABS Fundraising Committee Chair PS. I think Texas is going to raise more money than anyone else! smile Support fair wages for workers with disabilities! (H.R. 3086) www.nfb.org/fairwages Gabriel M. Cazares, 1st Vice President Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: 713-581-0619 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com From coastergirl92 at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 04:06:44 2012 From: coastergirl92 at gmail.com (Sarah) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 21:06:44 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The 2012-2013 Braille Readers Are Leaders AdultContest and the NABS Pennies for Pages Fundraiser Message-ID: <506fae76.6852420a.7d37.705a@mx.google.com> Will there be guide dogs there? ----- Original Message ----- From: david webster wrote: Dear TABSters, NABSters, and Federation Family As you very well know, October 1 officially marks the beginning of Meet The Blind Month, as well as the registration period for the Adult Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest. Our very own National Association of Blind Students runs a fundraiser known as Pennies for Pages in conjunction with the Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest, and this year we're counting on you! The way it works: Much like a walkathon, the Pennies for Pages fundraiser counts on pledges. If you are pledging, you have the option to pledge a flat rate, or a certain amount per each page read. For example, if I were pledging a flat rate, I'd say I'll give $50.00 at the end of the contest period for your pages read. If I were pledging a certain amount per page, I'd say for every page you read I'll give you $0.25. It doesn't matter if you pledge a flat rate, or pledge a certain amount per page, the point is to collect pledges! At the end of the contest period, your pledge checks will be mailed to the NABS Treasurer, and the amount made by each state student division will be split 50/50 with NABS. What do I mean by that, I mean that whatever amount of money the Texas Association of Blind Students manages to collect, for example, will be split with NABS, meaning that TABS will get some of the money raised back, and so will your student division! So affiliate members and chapters, commit to pledge one or a group of students in your affiliate participating in this fundraiser! Find the pledge form here: http://www.nabslink.org How you can get involved: Sign up to participate in the 2012-2013 Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest, you have the option to sign up individually, or to make a team of 2 to 5 people and sign up that way! You don't have to be a student to read for the Pennies for Pages fundraiser! Whether you sign up on your lonesome, or make a group of Braille Superstars and sign up that way, it doesn't matter. The point is to sign up and put the fingers to the Braille! Find the signup form here: http://www.nfb.org/braille-readers-are-leaders-overview In addition to signing up, collect pledges! Ask your parents, your aunts and uncles, friends, employers, church members, who ever has money that you can get to, ask away! This fundraiser will help support both the excellent programs that NABS puts on for us, as well as supporting our local student divisions! Only your participation will have the ability to make this fundraiser successful! Let's see who the most active student division in NABS is for real, time to put our money where our mouth is! Out raise your fellow student divisions for the greatest prize of all, bragging rights! If you have any questions or concerns, or would like clarification with any portion of the #P4P fundraiser, please feel free to contact NABS President Sean Whalen or me. I look forward to a very competitive Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest, and Pennies for Pages fundraiser! All the best, Gabe Cazares, NABS Fundraising Committee Chair PS. I think Texas is going to raise more money than anyone else! smile Support fair wages for workers with disabilities! (H.R. 3086) www.nfb.org/fairwages Gabriel M. Cazares, 1st Vice President Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: 713-581-0619 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/coastergirl92 %40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 04:20:48 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 21:20:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote mPower BT32 for sale Message-ID: Below is a full description of the BrailleNote mPower BT32 I am selling. Please reply to me offlist or to the contact information in the Blind Bargains ad for more details. Thanks. This BrailleNote mPower BT32 is in like new condition, the battery was just replaced last week, and the software was upgraded to Keysoft version 8.1. I am selling the BrailleNote bt32 and power adapter only. This device has been tested and all functions work properly. $1,400 or best offer. Payment via PayPal or cashier’s checks only. *No payment plans* Free shipping in the continental U.S. only. I will ship world-wide at the rate charged by USPS to your destination address. Please contact me if you have any questions. http://www.blindbargains.com/classifieds.php?m=837 -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 18:04:29 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:04:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome to Fall Message-ID: <507315dd.0ccd640a.4337.ffffe007@mx.google.com> Hello everyone welcome to Fall. This is my favorite time of year. I love everything that comes with it. I hope you like this season. From rriffle2 at wvup.edu Mon Oct 8 18:13:21 2012 From: rriffle2 at wvup.edu (Ryan Riffle) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 14:13:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome to Fall In-Reply-To: <507315dd.0ccd640a.4337.ffffe007@mx.google.com> References: <507315dd.0ccd640a.4337.ffffe007@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Is there any eye threat mementos or clinical trials for retinitis pigmentosa Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2012, at 2:09 PM, "Roanna Baccchus" wrote: > Hello everyone welcome to Fall. This is my favorite time of > year. I love everything that comes with it. I hope you like > this season. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rriffle2%40wvup.edu From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 22:37:43 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 18:37:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Blindtlk] Fw: a way for individuals to shop independently through awidevariety of mail order catalogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002401cda5a5$8943a0f0$9bcae2d0$@gmail.com> FYI: -----Original Message----- From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 3:49 PM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: [Blindtlk] Fw: a way for individuals to shop independently through awidevariety of mail order catalogs This sounds quite interesting and worth looking into. Thanks to Sheila for passing it on. Sherri ----- Original Message ----- From: sheila Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 3:02 PM Subject: [fcb-l] a way for individuals to shop independently through awidevariety of mail order catalogs My name is Kathy Eble. I want to introduce you to Home Readers, a service >> for the blind and visually impaired, serving the blind community >> since 1996. We are a not for profit 501 c3 organization. The mission >> of Home Readers is to further the independence of the blind and >> visually impaired. Our services provide a way for blind and low >> vision individuals to shop independently through a wide variety of >> mail order catalogs. Our catalogs are free to customers and they are >> read by pleasant sounding readers who become the eyes for their >> listeners, by describing products, colors and details to make >> products come alive. When you use our catalogs you still get the >> extra description that often is missing from websites and catalogs. >> This allows you to know what you are purchasing. If you are a web >> user our catalogs can compliment your visit to websites and our special codes should work on the catalog company's websites. >> >> The clothing catalogs include Blair Men's and Women's, Lands' End, L.L. >> Bean, Anthony Richards, Essentials by Anthony Richards, Roaman's and >> Monroe and Main. Health and beauty catalogs include Avon, Dr. >> Leonard's, Puritans Pride - Vitamins, Easy Comfort, Healthy Living, >> and Beauty Boutique. Our home and housewears section includes CHEF's >> and Figi's Gift Gallery. In gifts and variety catalogs we have Miles >> Kimball, Vermont Country Store, Ginny's, Carol Right Gifts, Walter >> Drake, Windsor Jewelry and Kathy's Korner. Food catalogs include >> Swiss Colony and Figi's. We also read the LS&S Catalog for the blind >> and visually impaired, Country Music Greats and Care-A-Lot Pet Supplies. >> >> We have over three hundred and fifty affordable priced cookbooks >> available at Home Readers. There are cookbooks with 3 and 4 >> ingredients, appetizers, baking, canning and preserving, casseroles, >> country cooking, diabetic. We have cookbooks with desserts such as; cakes, cookies, pies, >> puddings and mixes. Also, you will find fish, grilling, healthy, >> holiday, homestyle cooking, international, jellies and preserves, low >> carb, main dishes, one dish, quick to fix slow cooker, smoothies, >> soups, stews and variety cookbooks, plus a few celebrity cookbooks. >> We also have a Home Readers master cookbook collection. This is a >> digitally recorded master list of all the cookbooks Home Readers has >> offered from 1996 to March 2011. If you are interested in receiving >> this Master Cookbook collection, call 1-877-814-7323. Please note >> that all cookbooks are available on either a quad track cassette or Daisy MP3 only. >> >> NEW this year Home Readers is offering all cassette cookbooks >> recorded prior to 2009 for half price. This means any cookbook >> listed on the Home Readers Master Cookbook Collection that was read >> prior to 2009 will be available to you for half the cost. Not sure >> if a cookbook you are interested in is eligible? Give us a call at >> 1-877-814-7323 for more information. Digitally recorded cookbooks, >> cookbooks recorded on MP3 daisy books and all books and magazines are not eligible for this offer. >> >> We would like to invite you to join our cookbook club. Every 2nd >> month Home Readers will produce 2 new cookbooks and send them to >> those who join our club. Cookbook club members also receive a free >> cookbook at the end of the year as a special thank you. You can pay >> by credit card and it will be charged every two months when your >> cookbooks are sent. Ask about more information if you are >> interested. To hear a prerecorded message giving the titles of the two cookbooks available every two months call >> 1-773-572-7828 and press 4. If you would like to hear a prerecorded >> list of the latest cookbooks available at Home Readers call >> 1-773-572-7828 and press 3. >> >> If you would like to receive a free audio version of the Home Readers >> catalog which lists all the sponsored mail order catalogs with a >> brief description of each catalog call us at 1-877-814-7323 and we >> will mail you a copy. >> >> Our audio catalogs are available on quad track cassette tape and MP3 >> daisy books. Our website, www.blindaudiocatalogs.com, is where >> catalogs can be downloaded straight to your computer or playing >> device, such as a Victor Stream, thumb drives (SD cards, and even >> cell phones if enough memory is available.) All the catalogs are >> sponsored by mail order companies free of charge and our cookbooks >> have a small charge to help us with the expenses involved in our non-sponsored services. >> >> Please call us to place orders at our toll free number 1-877-814-7323 >> or place your order online at http://homereaders.com/ . Visit >> http://www.blindaudiocatalogs.com/ >> if you would prefer to download catalogs or the latest version of The >> Blind Post. Visit often as things change from time to time and you >> can follow our blog and find links of interest on >> http://www.blindaudiocatalogs.com/page/479125581 >> You can follow Home Readers on Facebook for info, special offers and >> lots of fun with the gift & gab group. >> Note: The Facebook button is on the blog page. >> _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail .com From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu Tue Oct 9 02:44:04 2012 From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 02:44:04 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Website Accessibility Survey In-Reply-To: <6085F4FD0BE3674B9973EFFA04A73FF63602B4F6@SN2PRD0102MB143.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <6085F4FD0BE3674B9973EFFA04A73FF63602B4F6@SN2PRD0102MB143.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <6CE049279B97194491C46E008D88924327D89789@CH1PRD0510MB355.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Dear List, A student at my alma mater, East Carolina University, the greatest university on the planet, is conducting a study on website accessibility. This research is important and can improve the way we all access electronic information, so please complete this survey! His email address is: BRINKLEYJU11 at students.ecu.edu if you have any questions. Here is his message with the link: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello, I am a student at East Carolina University in the Computer Science department. I am asking you to take part in my research study entitled, “Web Accessibility of Visually Impaired Computer Users Age 18 to 25”. The purpose of this research is to determine if the difficulties that visually impaired computer users encounter in accessing websites and online information affects their online behavior. By doing this research, I hope to learn if a difference exists between the online behavior of visually impaired computer users versus sighted individuals using current technologies. You are being invited to take part in this research because you are either a visually impaired or sighted computer user between the ages of 18 to 25. Your participation is voluntary, which means that you do not have to participate in this research unless you want to. The research will take approximately 15 minutes and we estimate that approximately 100 individuals will enroll in this study. If you would like to participate the survey can be found online here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JPYHSSC Thank you, Julian Brinkley From lovestar_07 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 9 03:43:43 2012 From: lovestar_07 at yahoo.com (Jermesa Lee) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 20:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Suggestions Message-ID: <1349754223.86594.YahooMailClassic@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Greetings, If anyone have suggestions for the following, it would be appreciated.   What are some constructive ways in handling a spanish course where majority of the work is online, the textbook is not user friendly, and the school's blackboard is not accessible? God Bless, Jermesa Lee All Things Are Possible Program Inc.,Director Florida Association of Blind Students, President From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 04:16:46 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 22:16:46 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Suggestions In-Reply-To: <1349754223.86594.YahooMailClassic@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1349754223.86594.YahooMailClassic@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jermesa, Have you tried hiring a reader or recruiting a volunteer reader? Arielle On 10/8/12, Jermesa Lee wrote: > Greetings, > If anyone have suggestions for the following, it would be appreciated. > > What are some constructive ways in handling a spanish course where majority > of the work is online, the textbook is not user friendly, and the school's > blackboard is not accessible? > > God Bless, > Jermesa Lee > All Things Are Possible Program Inc.,Director > Florida Association of Blind Students, President > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From lovestar_07 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 9 04:57:14 2012 From: lovestar_07 at yahoo.com (lovestar_07 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 00:57:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <1349754223.86594.YahooMailClassic@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes that was one suggestion I shared with my fellow colleague. The other ideas i shared is as follow: ask for alternative assignments, arrange tutoring sessions with the professor if possible, & ask if work can be typed in a word document & turned in via e-mail. I want to make sure my colleague is aware of all possible options, so if you have other suggestions I am open. Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:16 AM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Jermesa, > Have you tried hiring a reader or recruiting a volunteer reader? > Arielle > > On 10/8/12, Jermesa Lee wrote: >> Greetings, >> If anyone have suggestions for the following, it would be appreciated. >> >> What are some constructive ways in handling a spanish course where majority >> of the work is online, the textbook is not user friendly, and the school's >> blackboard is not accessible? >> >> God Bless, >> Jermesa Lee >> All Things Are Possible Program Inc.,Director >> Florida Association of Blind Students, President >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lovestar_07%40yahoo.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 15:30:16 2012 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:30:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome to Fall In-Reply-To: References: <507315dd.0ccd640a.4337.ffffe007@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7C65C045-C6DE-43EA-9392-99730B776FD8@gmail.com> This is my favourite time of year, too, especially with fall break (which ends tomorrow, sadly). Hoodie weather is grand, and we're halfway through the fall semester, so a break is great before the heat is on us to get with the program for the rest of the semester. ~Jewel Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Ryan Riffle wrote: > Is there any eye threat mementos or clinical trials for retinitis pigmentosa > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 8, 2012, at 2:09 PM, "Roanna Baccchus" wrote: > >> Hello everyone welcome to Fall. This is my favorite time of >> year. I love everything that comes with it. I hope you like >> this season. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rriffle2%40wvup.edu > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 18:11:57 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 14:11:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcome To Fall Message-ID: <5074691d.4636ec0a.47a3.7e4a@mx.google.com> Hi Ryan I don't know if there is any treatment for Retinitis Pigmentosa. From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 21:55:00 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:55:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] ipod issue Message-ID: <5075eeea.c4e9440a.6000.ffffa462@mx.google.com> Hey you guys. I haven't backed up my ipod in three weeks due to wifi issues, and now it won't go beyond "this ipod touch hasn't been backed up in three weeks. Ok button." I press OK and it bounces back at me. Please help. Beth From juanitatighan at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 22:03:56 2012 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:03:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ipod issue In-Reply-To: <5075eeea.c4e9440a.6000.ffffa462@mx.google.com> References: <5075eeea.c4e9440a.6000.ffffa462@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8D50C618-B867-494B-B565-6DE8298863DB@gmail.com> Try leaving the iPod connected to the computer, closing and re-opening iTunes and see what happens. If that fails, do a reboot of the computer. Sometimes that helps. Jane On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Beth wrote: > Hey you guys. I haven't backed up my ipod in three weeks due to wifi issues, and now it won't go beyond "this ipod touch hasn't been backed up in three weeks. Ok button." I press OK and it bounces back at me. Please help. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 22:15:33 2012 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:15:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] ipod issue Message-ID: <5075f3bb.e54f420a.7cd8.ffff986b@mx.google.com> There's a problem. I am backing up my icloud stuff in the cloud, and I don't have a computer that works. o whuat do I do? Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane Message-ID: <58D901D0-90BD-4A5D-ABBE-0AD3FF611E1F@gmail.com> Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "Joseph Lee" > Date: October 11, 2012, 11:17:22 AM MDT > To: > Subject: [BNU] All about BrailleNote Chat Part 2: A dedicated Google Talk ID for BrailleNote Users is now here!!!! > Reply-To: braillenote at freelists.org > > Hi folks, > Months ago, some people were asking on the old BrailleNote forum, "would it > be possible to ask BN questions via instant messaging contact?" We now have > an answer: yes, we now have a dedicated address for this. If you are using > Google Talk, simply add the following address as your contact: > braillenoteusers at gmail.com > Just ask your questions via IM and one of our listers will reply to your > query (hopefully shortly after you send the message). This address will also > be used as a text relay for our future BrailleNote Chats hosted on TeamTalk. > Thanks. > //JL > > > > ------------------------------- > BNU: BrailleNote Users - a forum for users of BrailleNote family of products from Humanware. > Website: www.braillenoteusers.info > > If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, send an email with the subject line of "unsubscribe" to braillenote-request at freelists.org. > > You can also visit our list page at: > www.freelists.org/list/braillenote > From this page, you can unsubscribe, change email delivery settings and view list archives. > > If you have any comments or questions for list moderators, please send an email to braillenote-moderators at freelists.org. Thanks. From jhud7789 at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 18:05:25 2012 From: jhud7789 at gmail.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:05:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BNU] All about BrailleNote Chat Part 2: A dedicated Google Talk ID for BrailleNote Users is now here!!!! In-Reply-To: <58D901D0-90BD-4A5D-ABBE-0AD3FF611E1F@gmail.com> References: <5076ff36.8e74440a.5dc2.3289@mx.google.com> <58D901D0-90BD-4A5D-ABBE-0AD3FF611E1F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hay how cool.. On 10/11/12, Griego-Dreicer, Zachary n wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Joseph Lee" >> Date: October 11, 2012, 11:17:22 AM MDT >> To: >> Subject: [BNU] All about BrailleNote Chat Part 2: A dedicated Google Talk >> ID for BrailleNote Users is now here!!!! >> Reply-To: braillenote at freelists.org >> >> Hi folks, >> Months ago, some people were asking on the old BrailleNote forum, "would >> it >> be possible to ask BN questions via instant messaging contact?" We now >> have >> an answer: yes, we now have a dedicated address for this. If you are >> using >> Google Talk, simply add the following address as your contact: >> braillenoteusers at gmail.com >> Just ask your questions via IM and one of our listers will reply to your >> query (hopefully shortly after you send the message). This address will >> also >> be used as a text relay for our future BrailleNote Chats hosted on >> TeamTalk. >> Thanks. >> //JL >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> BNU: BrailleNote Users - a forum for users of BrailleNote family of >> products from Humanware. >> Website: www.braillenoteusers.info >> >> If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, send an email with the subject >> line of "unsubscribe" to braillenote-request at freelists.org. >> >> You can also visit our list page at: >> www.freelists.org/list/braillenote >> From this page, you can unsubscribe, change email delivery settings and >> view list archives. >> >> If you have any comments or questions for list moderators, please send an >> email to braillenote-moderators at freelists.org. Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com > -- Joseph Hudson phone 2544661251 From zdreicer at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 18:16:11 2012 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Griego-Dreicer, Zachary n) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:16:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BNU] All about BrailleNote Chat Part 2: A dedicated Google Talk ID for BrailleNote Users is now here!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <5076ff36.8e74440a.5dc2.3289@mx.google.com> <58D901D0-90BD-4A5D-ABBE-0AD3FF611E1F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <65C209AD-AFFA-4E22-9710-FB050F7A4737@gmail.com> add that address to your keychat and tell Camille to the same! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote: > Hay how cool.. > > On 10/11/12, Griego-Dreicer, Zachary n wrote: >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: "Joseph Lee" >>> Date: October 11, 2012, 11:17:22 AM MDT >>> To: >>> Subject: [BNU] All about BrailleNote Chat Part 2: A dedicated Google Talk >>> ID for BrailleNote Users is now here!!!! >>> Reply-To: braillenote at freelists.org >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> Months ago, some people were asking on the old BrailleNote forum, "would >>> it >>> be possible to ask BN questions via instant messaging contact?" We now >>> have >>> an answer: yes, we now have a dedicated address for this. If you are >>> using >>> Google Talk, simply add the following address as your contact: >>> braillenoteusers at gmail.com >>> Just ask your questions via IM and one of our listers will reply to your >>> query (hopefully shortly after you send the message). This address will >>> also >>> be used as a text relay for our future BrailleNote Chats hosted on >>> TeamTalk. >>> Thanks. >>> //JL >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> BNU: BrailleNote Users - a forum for users of BrailleNote family of >>> products from Humanware. >>> Website: www.braillenoteusers.info >>> >>> If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, send an email with the subject >>> line of "unsubscribe" to braillenote-request at freelists.org. >>> >>> You can also visit our list page at: >>> www.freelists.org/list/braillenote >>> From this page, you can unsubscribe, change email delivery settings and >>> view list archives. >>> >>> If you have any comments or questions for list moderators, please send an >>> email to braillenote-moderators at freelists.org. Thanks. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com > > > -- > Joseph Hudson > phone > 2544661251 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Thu Oct 11 21:33:51 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:33:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Certification in Albuquerque Message-ID: Please note that the deadline to sign up for the test is the 15th of October. Dave Stand out among teachers of the blind and visually impaired! Don't miss the opportunity to hold this important, nationally recognized certification of literary braille proficiency. The National Certification in Literary Braille (NCLB) test will be administered by the National Blindness Professional Certification Board (NBPCB) Work.jpg in Albuquerque, New Mexico on Saturday October 27, 2012 at The New Mexico School for the Blind and Visually Impaired Early Childhood Programs Sage Room 801 Stephen Moody Dr. SE Albuquerque, New Mexico 87123 Please go to our website, www.nbpcb.org/nclb to find out more information and to register for this important test. Deadline for registration is October 15, 2012! You may contact the test administrator, Juan Haro at (575) 442-1363, or juan at jfharo.com. Or contact the NBPCB office at (318) 257-4554 or by email at braille at nbpcb.org Register now at: https://nbpcb.org/members/login.php?r=/members/er.php?eid=102 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2c7b1c0.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65647 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jhud7789 at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 22:19:21 2012 From: jhud7789 at gmail.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 17:19:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BNU] All about BrailleNote Chat Part 2: A dedicated Google Talk ID for BrailleNote Users is now here!!!! In-Reply-To: <65C209AD-AFFA-4E22-9710-FB050F7A4737@gmail.com> References: <5076ff36.8e74440a.5dc2.3289@mx.google.com> <58D901D0-90BD-4A5D-ABBE-0AD3FF611E1F@gmail.com> <65C209AD-AFFA-4E22-9710-FB050F7A4737@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ok We will do. On 10/11/12, Griego-Dreicer, Zachary n wrote: > add that address to your keychat and tell Camille to the same! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 11, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote: > >> Hay how cool.. >> >> On 10/11/12, Griego-Dreicer, Zachary n wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: "Joseph Lee" >>>> Date: October 11, 2012, 11:17:22 AM MDT >>>> To: >>>> Subject: [BNU] All about BrailleNote Chat Part 2: A dedicated Google >>>> Talk >>>> ID for BrailleNote Users is now here!!!! >>>> Reply-To: braillenote at freelists.org >>>> >>>> Hi folks, >>>> Months ago, some people were asking on the old BrailleNote forum, >>>> "would >>>> it >>>> be possible to ask BN questions via instant messaging contact?" We now >>>> have >>>> an answer: yes, we now have a dedicated address for this. If you are >>>> using >>>> Google Talk, simply add the following address as your contact: >>>> braillenoteusers at gmail.com >>>> Just ask your questions via IM and one of our listers will reply to >>>> your >>>> query (hopefully shortly after you send the message). This address will >>>> also >>>> be used as a text relay for our future BrailleNote Chats hosted on >>>> TeamTalk. >>>> Thanks. >>>> //JL >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> BNU: BrailleNote Users - a forum for users of BrailleNote family of >>>> products from Humanware. >>>> Website: www.braillenoteusers.info >>>> >>>> If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, send an email with the >>>> subject >>>> line of "unsubscribe" to braillenote-request at freelists.org. >>>> >>>> You can also visit our list page at: >>>> www.freelists.org/list/braillenote >>>> From this page, you can unsubscribe, change email delivery settings and >>>> view list archives. >>>> >>>> If you have any comments or questions for list moderators, please send >>>> an >>>> email to braillenote-moderators at freelists.org. Thanks. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Joseph Hudson >> phone >> 2544661251 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com > -- Joseph Hudson phone 2544661251 From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Oct 12 17:01:14 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:01:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem Message-ID: <50784d17.1438650a.46bf.ffff84b0@mx.google.com> Dear List: It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call Apple. All the best, Sophie Trist From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Fri Oct 12 17:19:33 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:19:33 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <50784d17.1438650a.46bf.ffff84b0@mx.google.com> References: <50784d17.1438650a.46bf.ffff84b0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has actual buttons. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM To: nabs Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem Dear List: It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call Apple. All the best, Sophie Trist _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From jhud7789 at gmail.com Fri Oct 12 17:21:23 2012 From: jhud7789 at gmail.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:21:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <50784d17.1438650a.46bf.ffff84b0@mx.google.com> References: <50784d17.1438650a.46bf.ffff84b0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Well you listsuning to it befor you got the call? because if you were it will come back on. On 10/12/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com > -- Joseph Hudson phone 2544661251 From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Oct 12 18:30:57 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:30:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem Message-ID: <5078621f.0f67650a.26c6.ffff9802@mx.google.com> No. I will be doing something not even with my Iphone, take a call, press the end button (not the two-finger double tap that also serves as the play command) and music will start randomly playing. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Hudson wrote: Dear List: It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call Apple. All the best, Sophie Trist _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gm ail.com -- Joseph Hudson phone 2544661251 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From jhud7789 at gmail.com Fri Oct 12 18:46:27 2012 From: jhud7789 at gmail.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:46:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <5078621f.0f67650a.26c6.ffff9802@mx.google.com> References: <5078621f.0f67650a.26c6.ffff9802@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Lets tri and do a re set shut the phone phone off anthen terner it back on let me know if that helps. On 10/12/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > No. I will be doing something not even with my Iphone, take a > call, press the end button (not the two-finger double tap that > also serves as the play command) and music will start randomly > playing. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joseph Hudson To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:21:23 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Well you listsuning to it befor you got the call? > because if you were it will come back on. > > On 10/12/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gm > ail.com > > > > -- > Joseph Hudson > phone > 2544661251 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com > -- Joseph Hudson phone 2544661251 From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 14:08:46 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem References: <50784d17.1438650a.46bf.ffff84b0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer use a touch screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the I-phone for about two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at the start, but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just take time. I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see myself going to anything else. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 15:52:30 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 10:52:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem Message-ID: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced phone out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Joshua, Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all. ~Jewel On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 16:43:17 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:43:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 16:56:00 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 10:56:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Lavonya, If the person has Itunes on their computer, I think they can set up speech on their iPhone by connecting it to the computer with Itunes running and then going through the Setup assistant. But honestly, it takes about five seconds for a sighted person to do it, and once the speech is turned on, it will stay on even if the phone is restarted, so if your friend has access to a sighted person for a few seconds to turn it on one time that would probably be faster. I had VoiceOver activated on my phone by the guy who sold it to me. A sighted person can turn on speech by going to Settings, General, Accessibility, and then checking the voiceOver on/off toggle. Arielle On 10/13/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just > got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>> phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>> use a touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>> I-phone for about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>> the start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>> take time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>> myself going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>> actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>> Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>> playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>> I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 17:46:31 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:46:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem Message-ID: <5079a8f8.1438650a.46bf.37d1@mx.google.com> If he is a later version of the iPhone, he can three-finger tripple tap the screen, and VoiceOver can turn automatically. Otherwise, a sighted person can go into the Settings menu, click on General, click on Accessibility, and turn on VoiceOver for him. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lavonya Gardner wrote: Joshua, Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all. ~Jewel On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced phone out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" References: <5079a8f8.1438650a.46bf.37d1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4310F8B1-7D44-4F68-824D-4C05FDF1AE90@gmail.com> thanks, i will tell him that. Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 13:46, Sophie Trist wrote: > If he is a later version of the iPhone, he can three-finger tripple tap the screen, and VoiceOver can turn automatically. Otherwise, a sighted person can go into the Settings menu, click on General, click on Accessibility, and turn on VoiceOver for him. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lavonya Gardner To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:43:17 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416 > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 18:16:38 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:16:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> Message-ID: really, that i did not no. so can i set things up o my ipad from my computer, i have itunes Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:56, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Lavonya, > If the person has Itunes on their computer, I think they can set up > speech on their iPhone by connecting it to the computer with Itunes > running and then going through the Setup assistant. But honestly, it > takes about five seconds for a sighted person to do it, and once the > speech is turned on, it will stay on even if the phone is restarted, > so if your friend has access to a sighted person for a few seconds to > turn it on one time that would probably be faster. I had VoiceOver > activated on my phone by the guy who sold it to me. A sighted person > can turn on speech by going to Settings, General, Accessibility, and > then checking the voiceOver on/off toggle. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just >> got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >> >>> Joshua, >>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>> don't say anything at all. >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>>> phone out there. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gloria G" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>> use a touch >>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>> I-phone for about >>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>> the start, >>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>>> take time. >>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>> myself going >>>> to anything else. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> >>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>> actual >>>> buttons. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>> Trist >>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>> To: nabs >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>> playing >>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>> I >>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>> Apple. >>>> All the best, >>>> Sophie Trist >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>> r%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From kobycox at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 18:24:36 2012 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:24:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all Message-ID: Hello all, This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? Right back soon, Koby. From zdreicer at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 18:34:22 2012 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Griego-Dreicer, Zachary n) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:34:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been in similar situations. Since both of us over 18, they could kick us out… And I don't know exactly what I would do. Well… I have an idea, but I'll tell you next time we talk on the phone. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:24 PM, "Koby Cox" wrote: > Hello all, > This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw > that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to > cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what > I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of > it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take > my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get > It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I > talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can > pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? > Right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Sat Oct 13 19:12:36 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:12:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] New Michigan At Large Chapter List Message-ID: I am pleased to be able to announce a new list here on nfbnet.org. It is michigan-at-large for members of Michigan's At Large Chapter and other interested persons. Below is information including how to subscribe. Dave The list exists to encourage discussion among at Large Chapter members, and to promote and circulate information pertaining to National and State Federation Affiliate concerns for those who are unable to attend a local chapter. To subscribe to the list either go to: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/michigan-at-large_nfbnet.org or send e-mail to michigan-at-large-request at nfbnet.org and put the word subscribe in the subject line by itself. From dandrews at visi.com Sat Oct 13 19:24:26 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:24:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> Message-ID: If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, general, VoiceOver I think. Dave At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who >just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach > >Sent from my iPad > >On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > > > Joshua, > > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very > > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. > > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. > > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the > > person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. > > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, > > don't say anything at all. > > ~Jewel > > > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced > >> phone out there. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > >> > >> Hi, > >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > >> use a touch > >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > >> I-phone for about > >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > >> the start, > >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just > >> take time. > >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > >> myself going > >> to anything else. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > >> > >> > >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > >> actual > >> buttons. > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > >> Trist > >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > >> To: nabs > >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > >> > >> Dear List: > >> > >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > >> playing > >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > >> I > >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > >> Apple. > >> All the best, > >> Sophie Trist > >> From gera1027 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 19:27:14 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:27:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5079C092.9070209@gmail.com> Wow sounds familiar! I'd like to think it's a way of teaching you to spend wisely? My mother used to be the same, but now that I think about it, they're acting like this but it's there way to teach us life lessons. Good luck! Gerardo El 13/10/2012 01:24 p.m., Koby Cox escribió: > Hello all, > This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw > that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to > cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what > I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of > it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take > my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get > It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I > talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can > pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? > Right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 19:35:08 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:35:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here should know more. Arielle On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who >>just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on >> speach >> >>Sent from my iPad >> >>On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >> >> > Joshua, >> > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >> > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >> > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >> > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >> > person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >> > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >> > don't say anything at all. >> > ~Jewel >> > >> > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >> >> phone out there. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Gloria G" > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> > >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> >> use a touch >> >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> >> I-phone for about >> >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> >> the start, >> >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >> >> take time. >> >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> >> myself going >> >> to anything else. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Joshua Lester" > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> > >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> >> actual >> >> buttons. >> >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> >> Trist >> >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> >> To: nabs >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> >> Dear List: >> >> >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> >> playing >> >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> >> I >> >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> >> Apple. >> >> All the best, >> >> Sophie Trist >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 20:02:20 2012 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:02:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> Message-ID: Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the touch screen? Patrick On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>>speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who >>>just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on >>> speach >>> >>>Sent from my iPad >>> >>>On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >>> >>> > Joshua, >>> > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>> > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>> > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>> > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>> > person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>> > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>> > don't say anything at all. >>> > ~Jewel >>> > >>> > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>> >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>> >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>> >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>> >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>> >> phone out there. >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "Gloria G" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> >> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >> >>> >> Hi, >>> >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>> >> use a touch >>> >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>> >> I-phone for about >>> >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>> >> the start, >>> >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>> >> take time. >>> >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>> >> myself going >>> >> to anything else. >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> >> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>> >> actual >>> >> buttons. >>> >> Blessings, Joshua >>> >> ________________________________________ >>> >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>> >> Trist >>> >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> >> To: nabs >>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >> >>> >> Dear List: >>> >> >>> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>> >> playing >>> >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>> >> I >>> >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> >> Apple. >>> >> All the best, >>> >> Sophie Trist >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From carlymih at comcast.net Sat Oct 13 20:02:48 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:02:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20121013125544.01e8be58@comcast.net> Good morning, Koby, Seems, you oughta just take that required bill into account each month and just demonstrate that, despite that burden, you can plan accordinglly and therefore, don't need any kind of intervention IE. having your ATM card, seized to keep from overdrawing your account. I mean, this isn't rocket science. Just show your Mom that, contrary to whatever whacked out belief or preconceived notions she might have, you know of this charge and will take steps to work around it while, imagine this, maintaining custody of your Visa card! CarAt 11:24 AM 10/13/2012, Koby Cox wrote: >Hello all, >This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw >that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to >cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what >I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of >it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take >my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get >It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I >talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can >pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? >Right back soon, >Koby. >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 20:14:57 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:14:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20121013125544.01e8be58@comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20121013125544.01e8be58@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Koby, I have a few suggestions. First, it is very important to check your account balance frequently, like once or twice per week, or maybe even more. This will prevent surprises like having unexpected charges wipe out what's in your account, which leads to an overdraft. If you don't know how to check your bank balance by phone or online, go to the bank and talk to a banker about getting that set up. Second, I would highly recommend developing a monthly budget, writing it down and sticking to it. I will post another message here where I will describe how I do my budget. You don't have to do it exactly my way, but keeping track of how much money you have to spend will prevent problems. Once you've written up your budget, show it to your mom and promise her you will stick to your budget. That way, you will show her that you are financially responsible, and maybe she will start to trust you and not impose such extreme restrictions. Third, once you have your budget, figure out if you have enough extra money to be able to afford to move out. If you can afford to move out, or if your mom offers to pay for it, I think that may be the best choice. If you can't afford to move out, then you will need to follow the rules, but as I said earlier, if you follow a budget, your mom should eventually learn that you are capable of managing your own money. You can also go to the bank by yourself and request that your mom's name be removed from your account so she is not able to check your balance or control how much you spend. Since you are a legal adult, the bank should honor that request, unless you have a complicated arrangement with SSI that involves her. Best, Arielle On 10/13/12, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good morning, Koby, > > Seems, you oughta just take that required bill into account each > month and just demonstrate that, despite that burden, you can plan > accordinglly and therefore, don't need any kind of intervention IE. > having your ATM card, seized to keep from overdrawing your account. I > mean, this isn't rocket science. Just show your Mom that, contrary to > whatever whacked out belief or preconceived notions she might have, > you know of this charge and will take steps to work around it while, > imagine this, maintaining custody of your Visa card! > CarAt 11:24 AM 10/13/2012, Koby Cox wrote: >>Hello all, >>This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw >>that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to >>cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what >>I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of >>it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take >>my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get >>It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I >>talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can >>pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? >>Right back soon, >>Koby. >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 20:21:35 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:21:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7D327943-EEF4-441B-BC1D-DD26FBE0116B@gmail.com> uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu just dubble tap one each letter. then hit send. there is a way to do that where u don't hit each letter twice, but that may be a bit much. the last way is to use seri. but typping my be easier. there is a dictate key that is to the left of the space Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 16:02, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button >>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you >>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who >>>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on >>>> speach >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Joshua, >>>>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>>>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>>>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>>>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>>>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>>>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>>>> don't say anything at all. >>>>> ~Jewel >>>>> >>>>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>>>>> phone out there. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>>>> use a touch >>>>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>>>> I-phone for about >>>>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>>>> the start, >>>>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>>>>> take time. >>>>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>>>> myself going >>>>>> to anything else. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>>>> actual >>>>>> buttons. >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>>>> Trist >>>>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>>>> To: nabs >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear List: >>>>>> >>>>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>>>> playing >>>>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>>>> I >>>>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>>>> Apple. >>>>>> All the best, >>>>>> Sophie Trist >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Oct 13 20:23:01 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:23:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A2F2E23B54A4A66B05A6D3C153F99FA@OwnerPC> Koby, How old are you? If over 18, it seems to me you have a right to assert your independence. Like you, I live at home and my mom does not say much about my spending. But I did not overdraw yet although came close to it. I question why your mom even looks at your account online? Is she a co owner of the account? If she is, this is a problem as legally it is her account too. My dad is a co owner of my account, but he is laid back and does not question my expenses. Nor does he go online to check on me like your mom is doing. How tough this must be. Seems there is more to the story. Is she really taking it away for one overdrawn fee? That seems overboard. Tell her that everyone overdraws at one time or another. You need to learn from your mistakes; say you will budget better next time. Tell her if she takes it from you, you are denied the ability to learn and budget for yourself. You should check your balance regularly such as once a week to ensure you have enough money. You, not your mother, should have a password to the online bank system to check your balance and anywithdrawals you have. If you cannot go online due to accessibility or something, set up a phone account. This is where you call a number of your bank. The bank has a recording system; you will create a PIN number for your checking account. Then you can check on your account. If I am ever unsure of my balance and need to make a purchase, I call this number. This ensures me I do not go overboard and withdraw. I don't know what to say; its your mom's home and she makes rules. But on the other hand, you need a place to live and rent is often so expensive. So, til you have a job, you might want to live at home, but you also need to have independence. I have to say that spending less than 100 dollars without a parent's permission is very controlling, unfair, and treats you like you are ten. You are an adult, I assume, if you are in college. You cannot say on list, but I wonder if you mom is this strict with other children, or is it just you because you are blind? I know for me, my mom is a bit more controlling due to my low vision and the fact I'm a baby child. My brothers are older. Anyway, do talk to her. I hope things work out! Sometimes, I find parents say mean things when they're mad, and when they calm down, you find out they really did not mean what they said. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Koby Cox Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:24 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all Hello all, This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? Right back soon, Koby. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Oct 13 20:29:31 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:29:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20121013125544.01e8be58@comcast.net> Message-ID: <59A5F9903ABD4696B7EA05561911D60C@OwnerPC> Arielle, Great advice. I was wondering how people set a budget up. I set up a phone account with my bank and its been a life saver so I know what my balance is so I don't overdraw. Oh, and how do people read financial documents and confidential records like this? Does your bank provide braille bank statements? What about other documents that detail agreements? I get some for investments my parents help me set up, but cannot read them. I feel awkward about signing something I cannot read; my dad or someone with me summarizes what I'm signing and I am free to ask the bank personnel questions when we do it. But, still I cannot read these documents so I feel they have more control than me. I have other accounts and income came from past internships and family gifts; accounts like money market, CDs, and an IRA. Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question for you all Hi Koby, I have a few suggestions. First, it is very important to check your account balance frequently, like once or twice per week, or maybe even more. This will prevent surprises like having unexpected charges wipe out what's in your account, which leads to an overdraft. If you don't know how to check your bank balance by phone or online, go to the bank and talk to a banker about getting that set up. Second, I would highly recommend developing a monthly budget, writing it down and sticking to it. I will post another message here where I will describe how I do my budget. You don't have to do it exactly my way, but keeping track of how much money you have to spend will prevent problems. Once you've written up your budget, show it to your mom and promise her you will stick to your budget. That way, you will show her that you are financially responsible, and maybe she will start to trust you and not impose such extreme restrictions. Third, once you have your budget, figure out if you have enough extra money to be able to afford to move out. If you can afford to move out, or if your mom offers to pay for it, I think that may be the best choice. If you can't afford to move out, then you will need to follow the rules, but as I said earlier, if you follow a budget, your mom should eventually learn that you are capable of managing your own money. You can also go to the bank by yourself and request that your mom's name be removed from your account so she is not able to check your balance or control how much you spend. Since you are a legal adult, the bank should honor that request, unless you have a complicated arrangement with SSI that involves her. Best, Arielle On 10/13/12, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good morning, Koby, > > Seems, you oughta just take that required bill into account each > month and just demonstrate that, despite that burden, you can plan > accordinglly and therefore, don't need any kind of intervention IE. > having your ATM card, seized to keep from overdrawing your account. I > mean, this isn't rocket science. Just show your Mom that, contrary to > whatever whacked out belief or preconceived notions she might have, > you know of this charge and will take steps to work around it while, > imagine this, maintaining custody of your Visa card! > CarAt 11:24 AM 10/13/2012, Koby Cox wrote: >>Hello all, >>This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw >>that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to >>cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what >>I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of >>it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take >>my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get >>It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I >>talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can >>pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? >>Right back soon, >>Koby. >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From amc05111 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 20:32:51 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:32:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Subscription Message-ID: Hi all, Would someone email me the subscription link for this list? Have a great Saturday! Ashley Coleman From kobycox at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 20:33:35 2012 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:33:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: <5A2F2E23B54A4A66B05A6D3C153F99FA@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley, Can you give me a call so that we can discuss this further? Thanks, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question for you all Koby, How old are you? If over 18, it seems to me you have a right to assert your independence. Like you, I live at home and my mom does not say much about my spending. But I did not overdraw yet although came close to it. I question why your mom even looks at your account online? Is she a co owner of the account? If she is, this is a problem as legally it is her account too. My dad is a co owner of my account, but he is laid back and does not question my expenses. Nor does he go online to check on me like your mom is doing. How tough this must be. Seems there is more to the story. Is she really taking it away for one overdrawn fee? That seems overboard. Tell her that everyone overdraws at one time or another. You need to learn from your mistakes; say you will budget better next time. Tell her if she takes it from you, you are denied the ability to learn and budget for yourself. You should check your balance regularly such as once a week to ensure you have enough money. You, not your mother, should have a password to the online bank system to check your balance and anywithdrawals you have. If you cannot go online due to accessibility or something, set up a phone account. This is where you call a number of your bank. The bank has a recording system; you will create a PIN number for your checking account. Then you can check on your account. If I am ever unsure of my balance and need to make a purchase, I call this number. This ensures me I do not go overboard and withdraw. I don't know what to say; its your mom's home and she makes rules. But on the other hand, you need a place to live and rent is often so expensive. So, til you have a job, you might want to live at home, but you also need to have independence. I have to say that spending less than 100 dollars without a parent's permission is very controlling, unfair, and treats you like you are ten. You are an adult, I assume, if you are in college. You cannot say on list, but I wonder if you mom is this strict with other children, or is it just you because you are blind? I know for me, my mom is a bit more controlling due to my low vision and the fact I'm a baby child. My brothers are older. Anyway, do talk to her. I hope things work out! Sometimes, I find parents say mean things when they're mad, and when they calm down, you find out they really did not mean what they said. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Koby Cox Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:24 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all Hello all, This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 01:34:00 From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 20:47:58 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:47:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i know that this has nothing to do with the topic. but i love the way that people respect each other. this rocks. Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 16:33, "Koby Cox" wrote: > Ashley, > Can you give me a call so that we can discuss this further? > Thanks, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley > Bramlett > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question for you all > > Koby, > How old are you? If over 18, it seems to me you have a right to assert > your > independence. Like you, I live at home and my mom does not say much > about my > spending. But I did not overdraw yet although came close to it. I > question > why your mom even looks at your account online? Is she a co owner of the > > account? If she is, this is a problem as legally it is her account too. > My dad is a co owner of my account, but he is laid back and does not > question my expenses. > Nor does he go online to check on me like your mom is doing. How tough > this > must be. > > Seems there is more to the story. Is she really taking it away for one > overdrawn fee? > That seems overboard. Tell her > that everyone overdraws at one time or another. You need to learn from > your > mistakes; say you will budget better next time. Tell her if she > takes it from you, you are denied the ability to learn and budget for > yourself. > > You should check your balance regularly such as once a week to ensure > you > have enough money. You, not your mother, should have a password to the > online bank system to check your balance and anywithdrawals you have. If > you > cannot go online due to accessibility or something, set up a phone > account. > This is where you call a number of your bank. The bank has a recording > system; you will create a PIN number for your checking account. Then you > can > check on your account. If I am ever unsure of my balance and need to > make a > purchase, I call this number. This ensures me I do not go overboard and > withdraw. > > I don't know what to say; its your mom's home and she makes rules. But > on > the other hand, you need a place to live and rent is often so expensive. > So, > til you have a job, you might want to live at home, but you also need to > > have independence. I have to say that spending less than 100 dollars > without > a parent's permission is very controlling, unfair, and treats you like > you > are ten. You are an adult, I assume, if you are in college. > You cannot say on list, but I wonder if you mom is this strict with > other > children, or is it just you because you are blind? > > I know for me, my mom is a bit more controlling due to my low vision and > the > fact I'm a baby child. My brothers are older. > > Anyway, do talk to her. I hope things work out! Sometimes, I find > parents > say mean things when they're mad, and when they calm down, you find out > they > really did not mean what they said. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Koby Cox > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:24 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all > > Hello all, > This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw > that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to > cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what > I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of > it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take > my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get > It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I > talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can > pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? > Right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl > ink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: > 10/13/12 01:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From amc05111 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 20:42:52 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:42:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Sophie, If you double tap with one finger; you should be able to end your calls. If your phone is not doing what you should; you may want to try a reset. You will have to hold down the power button and the home button down together until your phone goes off and then comes back on. Joshua, keep an open mind when considering what you write on lists. We can have as many problems with phones with buttons as with a touch screen. If you do not have anything helpful to say; I would suggest not saying anything at all. Thank you Have a great day! Ashley Coleman On 10/13/12, Jewel wrote: > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 20:50:34 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:50:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting Message-ID: Hi all, I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to learn. I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't have to do it this way, but I do think it is important to have some formal way of tracking how much money you have and how much you can afford to spend on a weekly or monthly basis. I think this is especially critical for those of us on fixed incomes. Once you have a budget, you will be able to tell not only when you need to cut back on your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the game" and can afford to spend a little more. Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three bank statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much money you get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, SSI, checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all expenses you have that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up every month, such as rent and bills. I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a Braille Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled "income" and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, you earn $500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from Social Security, and this happens every single month, you would put 1000 into the income box. Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of your bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every month. Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, cell phone bill, doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count groceries as a fixed expense because even though buying groceries is required for survival, the actual amount you spend on groceries is flexible and can be changed from month to month, whereas the amount you spend on your cell phone bill is generally the same from month to month. You might want to designate a minimum grocery payment as a fixed expense to make sure you've set aside some money for groceries, and then allow yourself to spend more than that minimum on groceries if you have extra discretionary money (see below). For our hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose that person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone bill, $50 Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract the fixed expense total from your total income. What you have left is "discretionary money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our hypothetical person has $400 per month in discretionary money that he/she can spend on whatever. You might choose to further divide your discretionary money into more categories, for example, giving yourself $100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation and $100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know what kinds of things you like to spend your money on. The big key is just to make sure that in a month you don't spend more than what you have available for discretionary spending, so this person should not spend more than $400 per month on optional or discretionary things. Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget and know how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, every time you buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back to your budget and subtract that amount from what you have designated as discretionary money. That way, you will be able to see right away if your funds are getting low and can make a decision not to buy that new party outfit, etc. If, however, it's almost the end of the month and you still have quite a bit of discretionary money left over, you can treat yourself to something nice without feeling guilty, because you will know that you will still have enough money left to get through the rest of the month. If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I will put that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my savings adds up, I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a trip. If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip into your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional big expense, like a trip, comes up. The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether to move out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper place. If you are putting lots of extra money into savings each month, then you can probably afford to pay more rent, but if you are perpetually running out of discretionary funds before the end of the month, then it might be time to cut back either on the discretionary expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee every day) or on the fixed expenses (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment or cutting back on the cell phone plan). In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about setting it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping regular tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have will ensure you don't miss an expense. I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list or by phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of the minor hassle. Best, Arielle From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 21:03:46 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:03:46 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ashley, The major banks like WellsFargo and Bank of America provide PDF statements and I think some of them provide Braille statements if you request them. I rarely look at my actual statements, but instead look at the "account activity" page online which details all of my transactions for up to a year. I have investment accounts too and they often send print documents. If you have access to a scanner you can scan the document and put it through OCR or send it to convert at robobraille.org to get a text copy. If you don't have a scanner you can have someone read or at least summarize it for you. This can be a family member or friend if you are comfortable with them knowing about your money and/or if they are involved with your investments. If you aren't comfortable with that you can hire a reader for this kind of thing. My dad was a joint owner on my first bank account I got when I was 17. He never checked up on my account and when I got an account at a different bank I didn't add anyone as a co-owner. Also, this is slightly off-topic, but I recently learned about DiscoverBank and I think it's great. It is an entirely online bank so all of your account management happens online. They have regular checking and savings accounts, CD's, and IRA CD's and the savings accounts earn more interest than a regular savings account (I believe the current rate is around .80%, and that's for an account you can pull money out of anytime). To get started go to: www.discoverbank.com One thing I don't know about is the availability of Discover ATM's, but if you get a debit card from them, you should be able to use it at any ATM. Best, Arielle On 10/13/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > i know that this has nothing to do with the topic. but i love the way that > people respect each other. this rocks. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 16:33, "Koby Cox" wrote: > >> Ashley, >> Can you give me a call so that we can discuss this further? >> Thanks, >> Koby. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley >> Bramlett >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:23 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question for you all >> >> Koby, >> How old are you? If over 18, it seems to me you have a right to assert >> your >> independence. Like you, I live at home and my mom does not say much >> about my >> spending. But I did not overdraw yet although came close to it. I >> question >> why your mom even looks at your account online? Is she a co owner of the >> >> account? If she is, this is a problem as legally it is her account too. >> My dad is a co owner of my account, but he is laid back and does not >> question my expenses. >> Nor does he go online to check on me like your mom is doing. How tough >> this >> must be. >> >> Seems there is more to the story. Is she really taking it away for one >> overdrawn fee? >> That seems overboard. Tell her >> that everyone overdraws at one time or another. You need to learn from >> your >> mistakes; say you will budget better next time. Tell her if she >> takes it from you, you are denied the ability to learn and budget for >> yourself. >> >> You should check your balance regularly such as once a week to ensure >> you >> have enough money. You, not your mother, should have a password to the >> online bank system to check your balance and anywithdrawals you have. If >> you >> cannot go online due to accessibility or something, set up a phone >> account. >> This is where you call a number of your bank. The bank has a recording >> system; you will create a PIN number for your checking account. Then you >> can >> check on your account. If I am ever unsure of my balance and need to >> make a >> purchase, I call this number. This ensures me I do not go overboard and >> withdraw. >> >> I don't know what to say; its your mom's home and she makes rules. But >> on >> the other hand, you need a place to live and rent is often so expensive. >> So, >> til you have a job, you might want to live at home, but you also need to >> >> have independence. I have to say that spending less than 100 dollars >> without >> a parent's permission is very controlling, unfair, and treats you like >> you >> are ten. You are an adult, I assume, if you are in college. >> You cannot say on list, but I wonder if you mom is this strict with >> other >> children, or is it just you because you are blind? >> >> I know for me, my mom is a bit more controlling due to my low vision and >> the >> fact I'm a baby child. My brothers are older. >> >> Anyway, do talk to her. I hope things work out! Sometimes, I find >> parents >> say mean things when they're mad, and when they calm down, you find out >> they >> really did not mean what they said. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Koby Cox >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:24 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all >> >> Hello all, >> This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw >> that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to >> cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what >> I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of >> it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take >> my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get >> It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I >> talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can >> pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl >> ink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: >> 10/13/12 01:34:00 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 21:07:50 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:07:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: There is an on-screen keyboard but I don't really like it. Siri is pretty good at recording and sending text messages and I also use a RefreshaBraille which is a bluetooth keyboard with Braille display. However you can also just get a regular bluetooth keyboard and use that for texting. Arielle On 10/13/12, Ashley Coleman wrote: > Hi Sophie, > If you double tap with one finger; you should be able to end your > calls. If your phone is not doing what you should; you may want to > try a reset. You will have to hold down the power button and the home > button down together until your phone goes off and then comes back on. > > Joshua, keep an open mind when considering what you write on lists. > We can have as many problems with phones with buttons as with a touch > screen. If you do not have anything helpful to say; I would suggest > not saying anything at all. > > Thank you > Have a great day! > Ashley Coleman > > > On 10/13/12, Jewel wrote: >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>> phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>> use a touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>> I-phone for about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>> the start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>> take time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>> myself going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>> actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>> Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>> playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>> I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From kobycox at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 21:08:40 2012 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:08:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <60836BB220F345D096852FEB8E829F04@OwnerPC> Arielle, How would you do this budget If you only have a doctors bill and also transportation that you have to pay for? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:51 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting Hi all, I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to learn. I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't have to do it this way, but I do think it is important to have some formal way of tracking how much money you have and how much you can afford to spend on a weekly or monthly basis. I think this is especially critical for those of us on fixed incomes. Once you have a budget, you will be able to tell not only when you need to cut back on your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the game" and can afford to spend a little more. Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three bank statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much money you get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, SSI, checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all expenses you have that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up every month, such as rent and bills. I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a Braille Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled "income" and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, you earn $500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from Social Security, and this happens every single month, you would put 1000 into the income box. Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of your bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every month. Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, cell phone bill, doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count groceries as a fixed expense because even though buying groceries is required for survival, the actual amount you spend on groceries is flexible and can be changed from month to month, whereas the amount you spend on your cell phone bill is generally the same from month to month. You might want to designate a minimum grocery payment as a fixed expense to make sure you've set aside some money for groceries, and then allow yourself to spend more than that minimum on groceries if you have extra discretionary money (see below). For our hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose that person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone bill, $50 Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract the fixed expense total from your total income. What you have left is "discretionary money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our hypothetical person has $400 per month in discretionary money that he/she can spend on whatever. You might choose to further divide your discretionary money into more categories, for example, giving yourself $100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation and $100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know what kinds of things you like to spend your money on. The big key is just to make sure that in a month you don't spend more than what you have available for discretionary spending, so this person should not spend more than $400 per month on optional or discretionary things. Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget and know how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, every time you buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back to your budget and subtract that amount from what you have designated as discretionary money. That way, you will be able to see right away if your funds are getting low and can make a decision not to buy that new party outfit, etc. If, however, it's almost the end of the month and you still have quite a bit of discretionary money left over, you can treat yourself to something nice without feeling guilty, because you will know that you will still have enough money left to get through the rest of the month. If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I will put that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my savings adds up, I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a trip. If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip into your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional big expense, like a trip, comes up. The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether to move out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper place. If you are putting lots of extra money into savings each month, then you can probably afford to pay more rent, but if you are perpetually running out of discretionary funds before the end of the month, then it might be time to cut back either on the discretionary expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee every day) or on the fixed expenses (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment or cutting back on the cell phone plan). In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about setting it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping regular tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have will ensure you don't miss an expense. I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list or by phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of the minor hassle. Best, Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 01:34:00 From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 21:14:49 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:14:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting In-Reply-To: <60836BB220F345D096852FEB8E829F04@OwnerPC> References: <60836BB220F345D096852FEB8E829F04@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Koby, You would need to figure out how much the doctor's bill is and how much you pay each month for transportation. Then add those two amounts and subtract the total from your total income. The rest is discretionary money you can spend on whatever. Every time you buy something that is not part of transportation or your doctor's bill, subtract it from your total discretionary money. Arielle On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Arielle, > How would you do this budget If you only have a doctors bill and also > transportation that you have to pay for? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:51 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting > > Hi all, > I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to > learn. I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't > have to do it this way, but I do think it is important to have some > formal way of tracking how much money you have and how much you can > afford to spend on a weekly or monthly basis. I think this is > especially critical for those of us on fixed incomes. Once you have a > budget, you will be able to tell not only when you need to cut back on > your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the game" and can > afford to spend a little more. > > Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three bank > statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much money > you get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, > SSI, checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all > expenses you have that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up > every month, such as rent and bills. > I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a > Braille Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled "income" > and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, > you earn $500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from > Social Security, and this happens every single month, you would put > 1000 into the income box. > Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of > your bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every > month. Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, cell > phone bill, doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count > groceries as a fixed expense because even though buying groceries is > required for survival, the actual amount you spend on groceries is > flexible and can be changed from month to month, whereas the amount > you spend on your cell phone bill is generally the same from month to > month. You might want to designate a minimum grocery payment as a > fixed expense to make sure you've set aside some money for groceries, > and then allow yourself to spend more than that minimum on groceries > if you have extra discretionary money (see below). For our > hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose > that person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone > bill, $50 Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. > That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. > Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract the > fixed expense total from your total income. What you have left is > "discretionary money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our > hypothetical person has $400 per month in discretionary money that > he/she can spend on whatever. You might choose to further divide your > discretionary money into more categories, for example, giving yourself > $100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation > and $100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know > what kinds of things you like to spend your money on. The big key is > just to make sure that in a month you don't spend more than what you > have available for discretionary spending, so this person should not > spend more than $400 per month on optional or discretionary things. > Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget and > know how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, > every time you buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back to > your budget and subtract that amount from what you have designated as > discretionary money. That way, you will be able to see right away if > your funds are getting low and can make a decision not to buy that new > party outfit, etc. If, however, it's almost the end of the month and > you still have quite a bit of discretionary money left over, you can > treat yourself to something nice without feeling guilty, because you > will know that you will still have enough money left to get through > the rest of the month. > If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I > will put that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my > savings adds up, I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a trip. > If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip > into your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional > big expense, like a trip, comes up. > The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether > to move out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper > place. If you are putting lots of extra money into savings each month, > then you can probably afford to pay more rent, but if you are > perpetually running out of discretionary funds before the end of the > month, then it might be time to cut back either on the discretionary > expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee every day) or on the fixed expenses > (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment or cutting back on the cell > phone plan). > In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about > setting it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday > is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping > regular tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have > will ensure you don't miss an expense. > I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list > or by phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of the > minor hassle. > Best, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: > 10/13/12 01:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Oct 13 21:19:46 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:19:46 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> , <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> Message-ID: To respond to Jewel's comment, I wasn't intending to be rude. It isn't off topic, because the IFone is a touch-screen device. I've had trouble figuring them out in the past, so if it has a touch screen, I'm usually turned away from it. That's why I don't want an IFone. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:43 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 21:24:29 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:24:29 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Subscription In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org Let me know if that works. Arielle On 10/13/12, Ashley Coleman wrote: > Hi all, > > Would someone email me the subscription link for this list? > > Have a great Saturday! > Ashley Coleman > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 21:26:55 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:26:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> Message-ID: <414413466988366632@unknownmsgid> Joshua, I had an iPod touch for a while and now I have an iPhone. The touch screen is definitely a learning curve, which is why I was reluctant at first to get an I device. But, you get used to it, and I am now using it with ease. So, don't let the touchscreen turn you away from an iPhone, as it's a good device if you know how to use it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > To respond to Jewel's comment, I wasn't intending to be rude. > It isn't off topic, because the IFone is a touch-screen device. > I've had trouble figuring them out in the past, so if it has a touch screen, I'm usually turned away from it. > That's why I don't want an IFone. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:43 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>> phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>> use a touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>> I-phone for about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>> the start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>> take time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>> myself going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>> actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>> Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>> playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>> I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Oct 13 21:29:57 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:29:57 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <414413466988366632@unknownmsgid> References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> , <414413466988366632@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: If I can get Rehab to help me with the Braille overlay, I'll use that with it. I've just got to have buttons that I can feel, because that's what I'm used to. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem Joshua, I had an iPod touch for a while and now I have an iPhone. The touch screen is definitely a learning curve, which is why I was reluctant at first to get an I device. But, you get used to it, and I am now using it with ease. So, don't let the touchscreen turn you away from an iPhone, as it's a good device if you know how to use it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > To respond to Jewel's comment, I wasn't intending to be rude. > It isn't off topic, because the IFone is a touch-screen device. > I've had trouble figuring them out in the past, so if it has a touch screen, I'm usually turned away from it. > That's why I don't want an IFone. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:43 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>> phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>> use a touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>> I-phone for about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>> the start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>> take time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>> myself going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>> actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>> Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>> playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>> I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From kobycox at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 21:30:22 2012 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:30:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arielle, So I would put In the doctors bill which Is $110 then I would put in $120 for transportation and that would give me a total of 230 then I would subtract that total which Is 230 from my SSI income which Is $698 and that would give me a total of negative 468 Is that right or didI do something wrong during the process? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Budgeting Hi Koby, You would need to figure out how much the doctor's bill is and how much you pay each month for transportation. Then add those two amounts and subtract the total from your total income. The rest is discretionary money you can spend on whatever. Every time you buy something that is not part of transportation or your doctor's bill, subtract it from your total discretionary money. Arielle On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Arielle, > How would you do this budget If you only have a doctors bill and also > transportation that you have to pay for? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:51 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting > > Hi all, > I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to > learn. I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't > have to do it this way, but I do think it is important to have some > formal way of tracking how much money you have and how much you can > afford to spend on a weekly or monthly basis. I think this is > especially critical for those of us on fixed incomes. Once you have a > budget, you will be able to tell not only when you need to cut back on > your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the game" and can > afford to spend a little more. > > Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three bank > statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much money > you get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, > SSI, checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all > expenses you have that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up > every month, such as rent and bills. > I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a > Braille Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled "income" > and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, > you earn $500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from > Social Security, and this happens every single month, you would put > 1000 into the income box. > Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of > your bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every > month. Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, cell > phone bill, doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count > groceries as a fixed expense because even though buying groceries is > required for survival, the actual amount you spend on groceries is > flexible and can be changed from month to month, whereas the amount > you spend on your cell phone bill is generally the same from month to > month. You might want to designate a minimum grocery payment as a > fixed expense to make sure you've set aside some money for groceries, > and then allow yourself to spend more than that minimum on groceries > if you have extra discretionary money (see below). For our > hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose > that person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone > bill, $50 Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. > That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. > Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract the > fixed expense total from your total income. What you have left is > "discretionary money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our > hypothetical person has $400 per month in discretionary money that > he/she can spend on whatever. You might choose to further divide your > discretionary money into more categories, for example, giving yourself > $100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation > and $100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know > what kinds of things you like to spend your money on. The big key is > just to make sure that in a month you don't spend more than what you > have available for discretionary spending, so this person should not > spend more than $400 per month on optional or discretionary things. > Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget and > know how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, > every time you buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back to > your budget and subtract that amount from what you have designated as > discretionary money. That way, you will be able to see right away if > your funds are getting low and can make a decision not to buy that new > party outfit, etc. If, however, it's almost the end of the month and > you still have quite a bit of discretionary money left over, you can > treat yourself to something nice without feeling guilty, because you > will know that you will still have enough money left to get through > the rest of the month. > If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I > will put that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my > savings adds up, I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a trip. > If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip > into your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional > big expense, like a trip, comes up. > The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether > to move out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper > place. If you are putting lots of extra money into savings each month, > then you can probably afford to pay more rent, but if you are > perpetually running out of discretionary funds before the end of the > month, then it might be time to cut back either on the discretionary > expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee every day) or on the fixed expenses > (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment or cutting back on the cell > phone plan). > In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about > setting it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday > is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping > regular tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have > will ensure you don't miss an expense. > I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list > or by phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of the > minor hassle. > Best, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: > 10/13/12 01:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 01:34:00 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 21:31:57 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:31:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-3930768706767262189@unknownmsgid> Siri is good for that. There is also a built in the dictate button on the keyboard for an iPhone 4S or five. That's what I'm using to write this email. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > There is an on-screen keyboard but I don't really like it. Siri is > pretty good at recording and sending text messages and I also use a > RefreshaBraille which is a bluetooth keyboard with Braille display. > However you can also just get a regular bluetooth keyboard and use > that for texting. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, Ashley Coleman wrote: >> Hi Sophie, >> If you double tap with one finger; you should be able to end your >> calls. If your phone is not doing what you should; you may want to >> try a reset. You will have to hold down the power button and the home >> button down together until your phone goes off and then comes back on. >> >> Joshua, keep an open mind when considering what you write on lists. >> We can have as many problems with phones with buttons as with a touch >> screen. If you do not have anything helpful to say; I would suggest >> not saying anything at all. >> >> Thank you >> Have a great day! >> Ashley Coleman >> >> >> On 10/13/12, Jewel wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>> don't say anything at all. >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>>> phone out there. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gloria G" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>> use a touch >>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>> I-phone for about >>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>> the start, >>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>>> take time. >>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>> myself going >>>> to anything else. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> >>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>> actual >>>> buttons. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>> Trist >>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>> To: nabs >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>> playing >>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>> I >>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>> Apple. >>>> All the best, >>>> Sophie Trist >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>> r%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 21:34:40 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:34:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> <414413466988366632@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <8268698457636248272@unknownmsgid> If you have a braille note apex, you can also tear your iPhone with the braille note and use it as a braille display for your phone. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > If I can get Rehab to help me with the Braille overlay, I'll use that with it. > I've just got to have buttons that I can feel, because that's what I'm used to. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Joshua, I had an iPod touch for a while and now I have an iPhone. The > touch screen is definitely a learning curve, which is why I was > reluctant at first to get an I device. But, you get used to it, and I > am now using it with ease. So, don't let the touchscreen turn you away > from an iPhone, as it's a good device if you know how to use it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> To respond to Jewel's comment, I wasn't intending to be rude. >> It isn't off topic, because the IFone is a touch-screen device. >> I've had trouble figuring them out in the past, so if it has a touch screen, I'm usually turned away from it. >> That's why I don't want an IFone. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:43 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >> >>> Joshua, >>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>> don't say anything at all. >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>>> phone out there. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gloria G" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>> use a touch >>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>> I-phone for about >>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>> the start, >>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>>> take time. >>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>> myself going >>>> to anything else. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> >>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>> actual >>>> buttons. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>> Trist >>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>> To: nabs >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>> playing >>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>> I >>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>> Apple. >>>> All the best, >>>> Sophie Trist >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>> r%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Sat Oct 13 21:39:34 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:39:34 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <8268698457636248272@unknownmsgid> References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> <414413466988366632@unknownmsgid> , <8268698457636248272@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I've been wanting to get an Apex, but Rehab won't pay for it. I may have to get it on my own, but I'll have to save up for it. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem If you have a braille note apex, you can also tear your iPhone with the braille note and use it as a braille display for your phone. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > If I can get Rehab to help me with the Braille overlay, I'll use that with it. > I've just got to have buttons that I can feel, because that's what I'm used to. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Joshua, I had an iPod touch for a while and now I have an iPhone. The > touch screen is definitely a learning curve, which is why I was > reluctant at first to get an I device. But, you get used to it, and I > am now using it with ease. So, don't let the touchscreen turn you away > from an iPhone, as it's a good device if you know how to use it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> To respond to Jewel's comment, I wasn't intending to be rude. >> It isn't off topic, because the IFone is a touch-screen device. >> I've had trouble figuring them out in the past, so if it has a touch screen, I'm usually turned away from it. >> That's why I don't want an IFone. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Lavonya Gardner [hotdancer1416 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:43 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >> >>> Joshua, >>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>> don't say anything at all. >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>>> phone out there. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gloria G" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>> use a touch >>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>> I-phone for about >>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>> the start, >>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>>> take time. >>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>> myself going >>>> to anything else. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> >>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>> actual >>>> buttons. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>> Trist >>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>> To: nabs >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>> playing >>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>> I >>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>> Apple. >>>> All the best, >>>> Sophie Trist >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>> r%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 21:44:59 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-1263145622744123903@unknownmsgid> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is probably because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually use the dictate feature or Siri, though. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button >>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you >>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who >>>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on >>>> speach >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Joshua, >>>>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>>>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>>>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>>>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>>>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>>>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>>>> don't say anything at all. >>>>> ~Jewel >>>>> >>>>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>>>>> phone out there. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>>>> use a touch >>>>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>>>> I-phone for about >>>>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>>>> the start, >>>>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>>>>> take time. >>>>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>>>> myself going >>>>>> to anything else. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>>>> actual >>>>>> buttons. >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>>>> Trist >>>>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>>>> To: nabs >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear List: >>>>>> >>>>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>>>> playing >>>>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>>>> I >>>>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>>>> Apple. >>>>>> All the best, >>>>>> Sophie Trist >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 21:55:59 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:55:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <-3930768706767262189@unknownmsgid> References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <-3930768706767262189@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: hi all i just ue my external bluth keyboard. that is easier. i do not like dealing with voice activated, because of my inability to speek sometimes. and useing a communication device to do that. because the systems don't always pick up on my devices. so i try to find a way to type. Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 17:31, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Siri is good for that. There is also a built in the dictate button on > the keyboard for an iPhone 4S or five. That's what I'm using to write > this email. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> There is an on-screen keyboard but I don't really like it. Siri is >> pretty good at recording and sending text messages and I also use a >> RefreshaBraille which is a bluetooth keyboard with Braille display. >> However you can also just get a regular bluetooth keyboard and use >> that for texting. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, Ashley Coleman wrote: >>> Hi Sophie, >>> If you double tap with one finger; you should be able to end your >>> calls. If your phone is not doing what you should; you may want to >>> try a reset. You will have to hold down the power button and the home >>> button down together until your phone goes off and then comes back on. >>> >>> Joshua, keep an open mind when considering what you write on lists. >>> We can have as many problems with phones with buttons as with a touch >>> screen. If you do not have anything helpful to say; I would suggest >>> not saying anything at all. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Have a great day! >>> Ashley Coleman >>> >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Jewel wrote: >>>> Joshua, >>>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>>> don't say anything at all. >>>> ~Jewel >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>>>> phone out there. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>>> use a touch >>>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>>> I-phone for about >>>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>>> the start, >>>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>>>> take time. >>>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>>> myself going >>>>> to anything else. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>>> actual >>>>> buttons. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>>> Trist >>>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>>> To: nabs >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> Dear List: >>>>> >>>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>>> playing >>>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>>> I >>>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>>> Apple. >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Sophie Trist >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>>> r%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 22:04:06 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:04:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I don't know how much money you have that's not connected to your card, but one suggestion I have is to keep some cash on you so that you won't be completely without money if your mom goes through with taking your card. Also, make sure that you have your card number written down in a safe place, such as on a note taker or in Braille on paper, so that if you need to make an online purchase, you can without her permission. The suggestions that others have given about checking your account balance regularly are good as well. If you can, change your password for your online account, and think about maybe opening up an account that she doesn't have to co-sign for. Once you're an adult, I don't think it's ever acceptable for someone else to have even a little control over your money. You might make mistakes, or make foolish purchases, but that's all part of living and learning. Just yesterday,I was ordering some stuff from a website. My internet decided to take that oppurtunity to temporarily lose signal, so the order ended up going through twice. By the time I realized what had happened, it was too late. The company said they couldn't cancel orders that have already been processed. So I'm going to get a lecture from my parents for ordering too much stuff, not to mention the fact I'll be getting two of the same thing, which mind you wasn't cheap either, but I just have to suck it up and deal. That's just one mistake I can think of that I've made with regards to money. Thankfully, I haven't ever overdrawn my account, but I do know it happens to everyone at least once, and it's not the end of the world. It's not even like you get bad credit from that. I know I probably shouldn't be advocating sneaking around, but sometimes, when parents are extremely rigid and refuse to give up even a little control, you have to push back. It may be disrespectful, but at the end of the day, you're an adult. Being docile and bending to your parents' every wish never gets you anywhere. As someone who has done that more than I really care to admit, I can only give you the advice I wish I had heeded myself. On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Hello all, > This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw > that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to > cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what > I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of > it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take > my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get > It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I > talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can > pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? > Right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 22:25:34 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:25:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's positive 468. So you have $468 each month to spend on other things. Do you pay a cell phone bill? Arielle On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Arielle, > So I would put In the doctors bill which Is $110 then I would put in > $120 for transportation and that would give me a total of 230 then I > would subtract that total which Is 230 from my SSI income which Is $698 > and that would give me a total of negative 468 Is that right or didI do > something wrong during the process? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Budgeting > > Hi Koby, > You would need to figure out how much the doctor's bill is and how > much you pay each month for transportation. Then add those two amounts > and subtract the total from your total income. The rest is > discretionary money you can spend on whatever. Every time you buy > something that is not part of transportation or your doctor's bill, > subtract it from your total discretionary money. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Arielle, >> How would you do this budget If you only have a doctors bill and also >> transportation that you have to pay for? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >> Silverman >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:51 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting >> >> Hi all, >> I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to >> learn. I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't >> have to do it this way, but I do think it is important to have some >> formal way of tracking how much money you have and how much you can >> afford to spend on a weekly or monthly basis. I think this is >> especially critical for those of us on fixed incomes. Once you have a >> budget, you will be able to tell not only when you need to cut back on >> your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the game" and can >> afford to spend a little more. >> >> Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three bank >> statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much money >> you get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, >> SSI, checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all >> expenses you have that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up >> every month, such as rent and bills. >> I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a >> Braille Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled "income" >> and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, >> you earn $500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from >> Social Security, and this happens every single month, you would put >> 1000 into the income box. >> Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of >> your bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every >> month. Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, cell >> phone bill, doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count >> groceries as a fixed expense because even though buying groceries is >> required for survival, the actual amount you spend on groceries is >> flexible and can be changed from month to month, whereas the amount >> you spend on your cell phone bill is generally the same from month to >> month. You might want to designate a minimum grocery payment as a >> fixed expense to make sure you've set aside some money for groceries, >> and then allow yourself to spend more than that minimum on groceries >> if you have extra discretionary money (see below). For our >> hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose >> that person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone >> bill, $50 Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. >> That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. >> Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract the >> fixed expense total from your total income. What you have left is >> "discretionary money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our >> hypothetical person has $400 per month in discretionary money that >> he/she can spend on whatever. You might choose to further divide your >> discretionary money into more categories, for example, giving yourself >> $100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation >> and $100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know >> what kinds of things you like to spend your money on. The big key is >> just to make sure that in a month you don't spend more than what you >> have available for discretionary spending, so this person should not >> spend more than $400 per month on optional or discretionary things. >> Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget and >> know how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, >> every time you buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back to >> your budget and subtract that amount from what you have designated as >> discretionary money. That way, you will be able to see right away if >> your funds are getting low and can make a decision not to buy that new >> party outfit, etc. If, however, it's almost the end of the month and >> you still have quite a bit of discretionary money left over, you can >> treat yourself to something nice without feeling guilty, because you >> will know that you will still have enough money left to get through >> the rest of the month. >> If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I >> will put that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my >> savings adds up, I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a trip. >> If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip >> into your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional >> big expense, like a trip, comes up. >> The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether >> to move out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper >> place. If you are putting lots of extra money into savings each month, >> then you can probably afford to pay more rent, but if you are >> perpetually running out of discretionary funds before the end of the >> month, then it might be time to cut back either on the discretionary >> expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee every day) or on the fixed expenses >> (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment or cutting back on the cell >> phone plan). >> In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about >> setting it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday >> is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping >> regular tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have >> will ensure you don't miss an expense. >> I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list >> or by phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of the >> minor hassle. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: >> 10/13/12 01:34:00 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co > m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: > 10/13/12 01:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 22:33:15 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:33:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And it's not just a blindness thing either. My boyfriend's sister is sighted and she has maxed out several credit cards, which is worse than overdrawing a checking account. Budgeting becomes doubly important if you use a credit card since credit card debt incurs extra charges and messes up your credit rating. When I was shopping around for my first credit card, my dad told me I should just not care what the interest rate is since I should just plan on paying my bills in full each month and never incurring any interest charges. Arielle On 10/13/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > Hi, > I don't know how much money you have that's not connected to your > card, but one suggestion I have is to keep some cash on you so that > you won't be completely without money if your mom goes through with > taking your card. Also, make sure that you have your card number > written down in a safe place, such as on a note taker or in Braille on > paper, so that if you need to make an online purchase, you can without > her permission. The suggestions that others have given about checking > your account balance regularly are good as well. If you can, change > your password for your online account, and think about maybe opening > up an account that she doesn't have to co-sign for. Once you're an > adult, I don't think it's ever acceptable for someone else to have > even a little control over your money. You might make mistakes, or > make foolish purchases, but that's all part of living and learning. > Just yesterday,I was ordering some stuff from a website. My internet > decided to take that oppurtunity to temporarily lose signal, so the > order ended up going through twice. By the time I realized what had > happened, it was too late. The company said they couldn't cancel > orders that have already been processed. So I'm going to get a lecture > from my parents for ordering too much stuff, not to mention the fact > I'll be getting two of the same thing, which mind you wasn't cheap > either, but I just have to suck it up and deal. That's just one > mistake I can think of that I've made with regards to money. > Thankfully, I haven't ever overdrawn my account, but I do know it > happens to everyone at least once, and it's not the end of the world. > It's not even like you get bad credit from that. > I know I probably shouldn't be advocating sneaking around, but > sometimes, when parents are extremely rigid and refuse to give up even > a little control, you have to push back. It may be disrespectful, but > at the end of the day, you're an adult. Being docile and bending to > your parents' every wish never gets you anywhere. As someone who has > done that more than I really care to admit, I can only give you the > advice I wish I had heeded myself. > > On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Hello all, >> This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw >> that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to >> cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what >> I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of >> it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take >> my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get >> It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I >> talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can >> pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 22:45:32 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:45:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-639759904537551372@unknownmsgid> Once you have connected your iPhone to your computer, go into iTunes on your computer and tab to universal access. You will then see a list of radio buttons which should include voiceover. Check the voice over radio button by hitting space and it should turn on voiceover on your iPhone. Hope this helps! Chris Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who >>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on >>> speach >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >>> >>>> Joshua, >>>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>>> don't say anything at all. >>>> ~Jewel >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>>>> phone out there. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>>> use a touch >>>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>>> I-phone for about >>>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>>> the start, >>>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>>>> take time. >>>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>>> myself going >>>>> to anything else. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>>> actual >>>>> buttons. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>>> Trist >>>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>>> To: nabs >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> Dear List: >>>>> >>>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>>> playing >>>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>>> I >>>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>>> Apple. >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Sophie Trist >>>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From gera1027 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 22:46:04 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:46:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5079EF2C.6030109@gmail.com> Yes: that's exactly what I do: I always always keep some cash handy for emergencies. El 13/10/2012 05:33 p.m., Arielle Silverman escribió: > And it's not just a blindness thing either. My boyfriend's sister is > sighted and she has maxed out several credit cards, which is worse > than overdrawing a checking account. Budgeting becomes doubly > important if you use a credit card since credit card debt incurs extra > charges and messes up your credit rating. When I was shopping around > for my first credit card, my dad told me I should just not care what > the interest rate is since I should just plan on paying my bills in > full each month and never incurring any interest charges. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, Desiree Oudinot wrote: >> Hi, >> I don't know how much money you have that's not connected to your >> card, but one suggestion I have is to keep some cash on you so that >> you won't be completely without money if your mom goes through with >> taking your card. Also, make sure that you have your card number >> written down in a safe place, such as on a note taker or in Braille on >> paper, so that if you need to make an online purchase, you can without >> her permission. The suggestions that others have given about checking >> your account balance regularly are good as well. If you can, change >> your password for your online account, and think about maybe opening >> up an account that she doesn't have to co-sign for. Once you're an >> adult, I don't think it's ever acceptable for someone else to have >> even a little control over your money. You might make mistakes, or >> make foolish purchases, but that's all part of living and learning. >> Just yesterday,I was ordering some stuff from a website. My internet >> decided to take that oppurtunity to temporarily lose signal, so the >> order ended up going through twice. By the time I realized what had >> happened, it was too late. The company said they couldn't cancel >> orders that have already been processed. So I'm going to get a lecture >> from my parents for ordering too much stuff, not to mention the fact >> I'll be getting two of the same thing, which mind you wasn't cheap >> either, but I just have to suck it up and deal. That's just one >> mistake I can think of that I've made with regards to money. >> Thankfully, I haven't ever overdrawn my account, but I do know it >> happens to everyone at least once, and it's not the end of the world. >> It's not even like you get bad credit from that. >> I know I probably shouldn't be advocating sneaking around, but >> sometimes, when parents are extremely rigid and refuse to give up even >> a little control, you have to push back. It may be disrespectful, but >> at the end of the day, you're an adult. Being docile and bending to >> your parents' every wish never gets you anywhere. As someone who has >> done that more than I really care to admit, I can only give you the >> advice I wish I had heeded myself. >> >> On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw >>> that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to >>> cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what >>> I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of >>> it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take >>> my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get >>> It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I >>> talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can >>> pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? >>> Right back soon, >>> Koby. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 22:50:42 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:50:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-8885100694047363406@unknownmsgid> Dave, I have an iPhone 4S, and triple click home isn't automatic; I had to turn it on in the accessibility settings. Also, to turn VoiceOver on from the settings screen, you actually go to settings, general, accessibility, and then select VoiceOver. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 3:25 PM, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >> >> > Joshua, >> > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >> > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >> > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >> > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >> > person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >> > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >> > don't say anything at all. >> > ~Jewel >> > >> > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >> >> phone out there. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Gloria G" > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> > >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> >> use a touch >> >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> >> I-phone for about >> >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> >> the start, >> >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >> >> take time. >> >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> >> myself going >> >> to anything else. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Joshua Lester" > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> > >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> >> actual >> >> buttons. >> >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> >> Trist >> >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> >> To: nabs >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> >> Dear List: >> >> >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> >> playing >> >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> >> I >> >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> >> Apple. >> >> All the best, >> >> Sophie Trist >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From kobycox at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 22:56:57 2012 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:56:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0B8F7F98727E48BB98710058FD983322@OwnerPC> Nope. Why? And also how did you get that positive balance? Because when I do It I get a negative balance. Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Budgeting It's positive 468. So you have $468 each month to spend on other things. Do you pay a cell phone bill? Arielle On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Arielle, > So I would put In the doctors bill which Is $110 then I would put in > $120 for transportation and that would give me a total of 230 then I > would subtract that total which Is 230 from my SSI income which Is $698 > and that would give me a total of negative 468 Is that right or didI do > something wrong during the process? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Budgeting > > Hi Koby, > You would need to figure out how much the doctor's bill is and how > much you pay each month for transportation. Then add those two amounts > and subtract the total from your total income. The rest is > discretionary money you can spend on whatever. Every time you buy > something that is not part of transportation or your doctor's bill, > subtract it from your total discretionary money. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Arielle, >> How would you do this budget If you only have a doctors bill and also >> transportation that you have to pay for? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >> Silverman >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:51 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting >> >> Hi all, >> I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to >> learn. I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't >> have to do it this way, but I do think it is important to have some >> formal way of tracking how much money you have and how much you can >> afford to spend on a weekly or monthly basis. I think this is >> especially critical for those of us on fixed incomes. Once you have a >> budget, you will be able to tell not only when you need to cut back on >> your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the game" and can >> afford to spend a little more. >> >> Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three bank >> statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much money >> you get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, >> SSI, checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all >> expenses you have that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up >> every month, such as rent and bills. >> I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a >> Braille Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled "income" >> and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, >> you earn $500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from >> Social Security, and this happens every single month, you would put >> 1000 into the income box. >> Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of >> your bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every >> month. Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, cell >> phone bill, doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count >> groceries as a fixed expense because even though buying groceries is >> required for survival, the actual amount you spend on groceries is >> flexible and can be changed from month to month, whereas the amount >> you spend on your cell phone bill is generally the same from month to >> month. You might want to designate a minimum grocery payment as a >> fixed expense to make sure you've set aside some money for groceries, >> and then allow yourself to spend more than that minimum on groceries >> if you have extra discretionary money (see below). For our >> hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose >> that person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone >> bill, $50 Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. >> That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. >> Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract the >> fixed expense total from your total income. What you have left is >> "discretionary money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our >> hypothetical person has $400 per month in discretionary money that >> he/she can spend on whatever. You might choose to further divide your >> discretionary money into more categories, for example, giving yourself >> $100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation >> and $100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know >> what kinds of things you like to spend your money on. The big key is >> just to make sure that in a month you don't spend more than what you >> have available for discretionary spending, so this person should not >> spend more than $400 per month on optional or discretionary things. >> Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget and >> know how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, >> every time you buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back to >> your budget and subtract that amount from what you have designated as >> discretionary money. That way, you will be able to see right away if >> your funds are getting low and can make a decision not to buy that new >> party outfit, etc. If, however, it's almost the end of the month and >> you still have quite a bit of discretionary money left over, you can >> treat yourself to something nice without feeling guilty, because you >> will know that you will still have enough money left to get through >> the rest of the month. >> If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I >> will put that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my >> savings adds up, I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a trip. >> If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip >> into your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional >> big expense, like a trip, comes up. >> The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether >> to move out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper >> place. If you are putting lots of extra money into savings each month, >> then you can probably afford to pay more rent, but if you are >> perpetually running out of discretionary funds before the end of the >> month, then it might be time to cut back either on the discretionary >> expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee every day) or on the fixed expenses >> (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment or cutting back on the cell >> phone plan). >> In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about >> setting it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday >> is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping >> regular tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have >> will ensure you don't miss an expense. >> I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list >> or by phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of the >> minor hassle. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: >> 10/13/12 01:34:00 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co > m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: > 10/13/12 01:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 01:34:00 From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 23:07:52 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:07:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem Message-ID: <5079f449.661c3c0a.13d6.3c24@mx.google.com> Joshua, not to be rude, but that was kinda off topic for the question at hand. While we all appreciate and respect your opinion on iPhones and other touch screen devices, that does nothing to help those of us who do have iPhones. Many phones have contracts, so people cannot switch any old time they want to or it will cost a lot of money. Besides, as Jewel also said, many of us like iPhones, despite the problems they may have. No electronic device is perfect. What works for me might not work for you. You saying that iPhones are bad does not help those of us who have iPhones solve our problems with them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Joshua, Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all. ~Jewel On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced phone out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <26685C70-2855-49FD-BC09-F2B66E769A19@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-4436830819141285029@unknownmsgid> Yes you can. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > really, that i did not no. so can i set things up o my ipad from my computer, i have itunes > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:56, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Hi Lavonya, >> If the person has Itunes on their computer, I think they can set up >> speech on their iPhone by connecting it to the computer with Itunes >> running and then going through the Setup assistant. But honestly, it >> takes about five seconds for a sighted person to do it, and once the >> speech is turned on, it will stay on even if the phone is restarted, >> so if your friend has access to a sighted person for a few seconds to >> turn it on one time that would probably be faster. I had VoiceOver >> activated on my phone by the guy who sold it to me. A sighted person >> can turn on speech by going to Settings, General, Accessibility, and >> then checking the voiceOver on/off toggle. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just >>> got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >>> >>>> Joshua, >>>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>>> don't say anything at all. >>>> ~Jewel >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>>>> phone out there. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>>> use a touch >>>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>>> I-phone for about >>>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>>> the start, >>>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>>>> take time. >>>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>>> myself going >>>>> to anything else. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>>> actual >>>>> buttons. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>>> Trist >>>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>>> To: nabs >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> Dear List: >>>>> >>>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>>> playing >>>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>>> I >>>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>>> Apple. >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Sophie Trist >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>>> r%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 23:11:35 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:11:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem Message-ID: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. ----- Original Message ----- From: christopher nusbaum wrote: Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the touch screen? Patrick On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here should know more. Arielle On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, general, VoiceOver I think. Dave At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: Joshua, Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all. ~Jewel On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced phone out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-4498920748681435141@unknownmsgid> I would definitely say the same! Guess Siri's used to all those Californians at Apple talking to her, LOL! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From jhud7789 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 23:20:37 2012 From: jhud7789 at gmail.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:20:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Sophie did you get your iph problem fix? On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a > hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my > phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I > can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like > many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen > threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith > was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is > probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually > use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy > wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting > with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else > here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home > button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work > you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone > who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to > turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel > wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact > very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a > touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people > shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help > to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very > annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to > say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things > just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com > -- Joseph Hudson phone 2544661251 From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 23:29:50 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:29:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting In-Reply-To: <0B8F7F98727E48BB98710058FD983322@OwnerPC> References: <0B8F7F98727E48BB98710058FD983322@OwnerPC> Message-ID: You need to write it as income minus expenses: 698-230=468 Arielle On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Nope. Why? And also how did you get that positive balance? Because when > I do It I get a negative balance. > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Budgeting > > It's positive 468. So you have $468 each month to spend on other > things. Do you pay a cell phone bill? > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Arielle, >> So I would put In the doctors bill which Is $110 then I would put in >> $120 for transportation and that would give me a total of 230 then I >> would subtract that total which Is 230 from my SSI income which Is > $698 >> and that would give me a total of negative 468 Is that right or didI > do >> something wrong during the process? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >> Silverman >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Budgeting >> >> Hi Koby, >> You would need to figure out how much the doctor's bill is and how >> much you pay each month for transportation. Then add those two amounts >> and subtract the total from your total income. The rest is >> discretionary money you can spend on whatever. Every time you buy >> something that is not part of transportation or your doctor's bill, >> subtract it from your total discretionary money. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: >>> Arielle, >>> How would you do this budget If you only have a doctors bill and also >>> transportation that you have to pay for? >>> Right back soon, >>> Koby. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >>> Silverman >>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:51 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to >>> learn. I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't >>> have to do it this way, but I do think it is important to have some >>> formal way of tracking how much money you have and how much you can >>> afford to spend on a weekly or monthly basis. I think this is >>> especially critical for those of us on fixed incomes. Once you have a >>> budget, you will be able to tell not only when you need to cut back > on >>> your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the game" and can >>> afford to spend a little more. >>> >>> Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three > bank >>> statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much > money >>> you get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, >>> SSI, checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all >>> expenses you have that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up >>> every month, such as rent and bills. >>> I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a >>> Braille Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled > "income" >>> and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, >>> you earn $500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from >>> Social Security, and this happens every single month, you would put >>> 1000 into the income box. >>> Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of >>> your bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every >>> month. Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, > cell >>> phone bill, doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count >>> groceries as a fixed expense because even though buying groceries is >>> required for survival, the actual amount you spend on groceries is >>> flexible and can be changed from month to month, whereas the amount >>> you spend on your cell phone bill is generally the same from month to >>> month. You might want to designate a minimum grocery payment as a >>> fixed expense to make sure you've set aside some money for groceries, >>> and then allow yourself to spend more than that minimum on groceries >>> if you have extra discretionary money (see below). For our >>> hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose >>> that person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone >>> bill, $50 Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. >>> That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. >>> Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract > the >>> fixed expense total from your total income. What you have left is >>> "discretionary money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our >>> hypothetical person has $400 per month in discretionary money that >>> he/she can spend on whatever. You might choose to further divide your >>> discretionary money into more categories, for example, giving > yourself >>> $100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation >>> and $100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know >>> what kinds of things you like to spend your money on. The big key is >>> just to make sure that in a month you don't spend more than what you >>> have available for discretionary spending, so this person should not >>> spend more than $400 per month on optional or discretionary things. >>> Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget > and >>> know how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, >>> every time you buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back > to >>> your budget and subtract that amount from what you have designated as >>> discretionary money. That way, you will be able to see right away if >>> your funds are getting low and can make a decision not to buy that > new >>> party outfit, etc. If, however, it's almost the end of the month and >>> you still have quite a bit of discretionary money left over, you can >>> treat yourself to something nice without feeling guilty, because you >>> will know that you will still have enough money left to get through >>> the rest of the month. >>> If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I >>> will put that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my >>> savings adds up, I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a > trip. >>> If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip >>> into your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional >>> big expense, like a trip, comes up. >>> The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether >>> to move out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper >>> place. If you are putting lots of extra money into savings each > month, >>> then you can probably afford to pay more rent, but if you are >>> perpetually running out of discretionary funds before the end of the >>> month, then it might be time to cut back either on the discretionary >>> expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee every day) or on the fixed > expenses >>> (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment or cutting back on the cell >>> phone plan). >>> In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about >>> setting it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday >>> is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping >>> regular tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have >>> will ensure you don't miss an expense. >>> I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list >>> or by phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of > the >>> minor hassle. >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: >>> 10/13/12 01:34:00 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co >> m >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: >> 10/13/12 01:34:00 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co > m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: > 10/13/12 01:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 23:33:26 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:33:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-6011228831577812815@unknownmsgid> I know! At the Buddy program at LCB this year, all the counselors except 1 had iPhones. I had been wanting one for a while, and when I saw all they could do, I was really jealous, and now I have one! :) By the way, Sophie, do you remember Emilie West from last year's Buddy Program? She was back this year, and remembers you. She is still known around LCB as the Prosecuter, and she picked on Mr. G this year as much as she did last year. :) Feel free to write me off-list; I know I'm getting off-topic. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 23:54:20 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:54:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <04DB7F8F-6C7A-4967-8E24-3A07D16382DE@gmail.com> I will be getting an iphone as soon as possable. I love my android, but i like touch screens better, on top of that, the iphone addresses blindness and autusm. I am both blind and autistic. I can see larg print, and read braille. I was taught 2 read grades 1, 2, 3, and braille muic. it depends on what i am doing, wether or not i use braille, large print or voice. for the iphone, i would use voiceover and the zoom feeture. and the auttism apps. Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:11, Sophie Trist wrote: > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From jty727 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 23:51:29 2012 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:51:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <04DB7F8F-6C7A-4967-8E24-3A07D16382DE@gmail.com> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> <04DB7F8F-6C7A-4967-8E24-3A07D16382DE@gmail.com> Message-ID: What is Grade 3 Braille? Never heard of that one only thought there were 2 grades On 10/13/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > I will be getting an iphone as soon as possable. I love my android, but i > like touch screens better, on top of that, the iphone addresses blindness > and autusm. I am both blind and autistic. I can see larg print, and read > braille. I was taught 2 read grades 1, 2, 3, and braille muic. it depends on > what i am doing, wether or not i use braille, large print or voice. for the > iphone, i would use voiceover and the zoom feeture. and the auttism apps. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:11, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a hard time >> understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my phone--I do that >> with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I can type on the touch >> screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like many, I was reluctant to get an >> iPhone because the touch screen threw me off. But now, I believe that >> taking that leap of faith was one of the best decisions I ever made in my >> life. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is probably >> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually use the >> dictate feature or Siri, though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >> wrote: >> >> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the >> touch screen? >> Patrick >> >> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who >> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on >> speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >> >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 23:57:10 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:57:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <-4498920748681435141@unknownmsgid> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> <-4498920748681435141@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <2807730A-7647-486B-A7E6-3A67393D4713@gmail.com> hi all, i have a friend that uses seeri for looking things up, but she either uses her bluth keyboard that rolls up, to text, or her touch screen. she uses her apple computer to email. Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:16, christopher nusbaum wrote: > I would definitely say the same! Guess Siri's used to all those > Californians at Apple talking to her, LOL! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is probably >> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually use the >> dictate feature or Siri, though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy wrote: >> >> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the >> touch screen? >> Patrick >> >> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who >> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on >> speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >> >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 00:00:23 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:00:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> <04DB7F8F-6C7A-4967-8E24-3A07D16382DE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14736218-BAFD-4C8A-BAE9-14E0932ECC44@gmail.com> grade 3 is even more short hand. i used it when i was going to a muic school for taking notes. Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:51, Justin Young wrote: > What is Grade 3 Braille? Never heard of that one only thought there > were 2 grades > > On 10/13/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >> I will be getting an iphone as soon as possable. I love my android, but i >> like touch screens better, on top of that, the iphone addresses blindness >> and autusm. I am both blind and autistic. I can see larg print, and read >> braille. I was taught 2 read grades 1, 2, 3, and braille muic. it depends on >> what i am doing, wether or not i use braille, large print or voice. for the >> iphone, i would use voiceover and the zoom feeture. and the auttism apps. >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:11, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a hard time >>> understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my phone--I do that >>> with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I can type on the touch >>> screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like many, I was reluctant to get an >>> iPhone because the touch screen threw me off. But now, I believe that >>> taking that leap of faith was one of the best decisions I ever made in my >>> life. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: christopher nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is probably >>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually use the >>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>> wrote: >>> >>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the >>> touch screen? >>> Patrick >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here >>> should know more. >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button >>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you >>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who >>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on >>> speach >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >>> >>> Joshua, >>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>> don't say anything at all. >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>> phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>> use a touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>> I-phone for about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>> the start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>> take time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>> myself going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>> actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>> Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>> playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>> I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From jty727 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 23:57:23 2012 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:57:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <14736218-BAFD-4C8A-BAE9-14E0932ECC44@gmail.com> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> <04DB7F8F-6C7A-4967-8E24-3A07D16382DE@gmail.com> <14736218-BAFD-4C8A-BAE9-14E0932ECC44@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh cool! On 10/13/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > grade 3 is even more short hand. i used it when i was going to a muic school > for taking notes. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:51, Justin Young wrote: > >> What is Grade 3 Braille? Never heard of that one only thought there >> were 2 grades >> >> On 10/13/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >>> I will be getting an iphone as soon as possable. I love my android, but >>> i >>> like touch screens better, on top of that, the iphone addresses >>> blindness >>> and autusm. I am both blind and autistic. I can see larg print, and read >>> braille. I was taught 2 read grades 1, 2, 3, and braille muic. it depends >>> on >>> what i am doing, wether or not i use braille, large print or voice. for >>> the >>> iphone, i would use voiceover and the zoom feeture. and the auttism apps. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:11, Sophie Trist >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a hard >>>> time >>>> understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my phone--I do that >>>> with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I can type on the touch >>>> screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like many, I was reluctant to get >>>> an >>>> iPhone because the touch screen threw me off. But now, I believe that >>>> taking that leap of faith was one of the best decisions I ever made in >>>> my >>>> life. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: christopher nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is probably >>>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually use the >>>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the >>>> touch screen? >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here >>>> should know more. >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button >>>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you >>>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who >>>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on >>>> speach >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >>>> >>>> Joshua, >>>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>>> don't say anything at all. >>>> ~Jewel >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>>> phone out there. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gloria G" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>> use a touch >>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>> I-phone for about >>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>> the start, >>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>>> take time. >>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>> myself going >>>> to anything else. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> >>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>> actual >>>> buttons. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>> Trist >>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>> To: nabs >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>> playing >>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>> I >>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>> Apple. >>>> All the best, >>>> Sophie Trist >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>> m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>> r%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 00:08:41 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:08:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> <04DB7F8F-6C7A-4967-8E24-3A07D16382DE@gmail.com> <14736218-BAFD-4C8A-BAE9-14E0932ECC44@gmail.com> Message-ID: <11C7C2E0-4582-4A46-A40D-72AFB379CE78@gmail.com> i had to be very fast when i took notes. sometimes i just vidioed the teacher, as i took dance. Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:57, Justin Young wrote: > Oh cool! > > On 10/13/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >> grade 3 is even more short hand. i used it when i was going to a muic school >> for taking notes. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:51, Justin Young wrote: >> >>> What is Grade 3 Braille? Never heard of that one only thought there >>> were 2 grades >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >>>> I will be getting an iphone as soon as possable. I love my android, but >>>> i >>>> like touch screens better, on top of that, the iphone addresses >>>> blindness >>>> and autusm. I am both blind and autistic. I can see larg print, and read >>>> braille. I was taught 2 read grades 1, 2, 3, and braille muic. it depends >>>> on >>>> what i am doing, wether or not i use braille, large print or voice. for >>>> the >>>> iphone, i would use voiceover and the zoom feeture. and the auttism apps. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:11, Sophie Trist >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a hard >>>>> time >>>>> understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my phone--I do that >>>>> with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I can type on the touch >>>>> screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like many, I was reluctant to get >>>>> an >>>>> iPhone because the touch screen threw me off. But now, I believe that >>>>> taking that leap of faith was one of the best decisions I ever made in >>>>> my >>>>> life. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: christopher nusbaum >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is probably >>>>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually use the >>>>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the >>>>> touch screen? >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here >>>>> should know more. >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>>>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button >>>>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you >>>>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>>>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>>>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who >>>>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on >>>>> speach >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Joshua, >>>>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>>>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>>>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>>>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>>>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>>>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>>>> don't say anything at all. >>>>> ~Jewel >>>>> >>>>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>>>> phone out there. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>>> use a touch >>>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>>> I-phone for about >>>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>>> the start, >>>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>>>> take time. >>>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>>> myself going >>>>> to anything else. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>>> actual >>>>> buttons. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>>> Trist >>>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>>> To: nabs >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> Dear List: >>>>> >>>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>>> playing >>>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>>> I >>>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>>> Apple. >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Sophie Trist >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>>>> mail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>>>> 40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>> m%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>>> r%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 00:30:36 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:30:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? Message-ID: <6484FCE4C560449597DDE3E003995EE2@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, I'm wondering if anyone has any driver's contracts or has any personal stories with using Car Services? I'm starting to plan for when I go to a new town for a 3 week stay and need super reliable daily transportation to a place and I won't have any kind of Public transit. Thank you, Brandon Keith Biggs From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 00:30:06 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:30:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem Message-ID: <507a078f.0901b60a.1223.4071@mx.google.com> How can you learn Grade 3 braille? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lavonya Gardner wrote: What is Grade 3 Braille? Never heard of that one only thought there were 2 grades On 10/13/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: I will be getting an iphone as soon as possable. I love my android, but i like touch screens better, on top of that, the iphone addresses blindness and autusm. I am both blind and autistic. I can see larg print, and read braille. I was taught 2 read grades 1, 2, 3, and braille muic. it depends on what i am doing, wether or not i use braille, large print or voice. for the iphone, i would use voiceover and the zoom feeture. and the auttism apps. Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:11, Sophie Trist wrote: I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. ----- Original Message ----- From: christopher nusbaum wrote: You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here should know more. Arielle On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, general, VoiceOver I think. Dave At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: Joshua, Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all. ~Jewel On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced phone out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" References: <507a078f.0901b60a.1223.4071@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2133DC0F-AD16-4154-AB6F-EAB8C00DA53F@gmail.com> i had a teacher that worked with me, and she was skilled with autistic blind children. i did well. she sometimes played music so i would be calm. and i got cookies when i learned it. Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 20:30, Sophie Trist wrote: > How can you learn Grade 3 braille? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lavonya Gardner To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:00:23 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > grade 3 is even more short hand. i used it when i was going to a muic school for taking notes. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:51, Justin Young wrote: > > What is Grade 3 Braille? Never heard of that one only thought there > were 2 grades > > On 10/13/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > I will be getting an iphone as soon as possable. I love my android, but i > like touch screens better, on top of that, the iphone addresses blindness > and autusm. I am both blind and autistic. I can see larg print, and read > braille. I was taught 2 read grades 1, 2, 3, and braille muic. it depends on > what i am doing, wether or not i use braille, large print or voice. for the > iphone, i would use voiceover and the zoom feeture. and the auttism apps. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:11, Sophie Trist wrote: > > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a hard time > understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my phone--I do that > with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I can type on the touch > screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like many, I was reluctant to get an > iPhone because the touch screen threw me off. But now, I believe that > taking that leap of faith was one of the best decisions I ever made in my > life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416 > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416 > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Oct 14 01:21:10 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:21:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56849FA632534B30BE2AAEC198E75938@OwnerPC> Koby, Right. Subtract your total expenses from your income. If that expense is 230 total, then this sounds right. The equation: 698 minus 230 equals 468. Right. This money you noted is your income you can spend on whatever social expenses you have or those things you need. Then, all you do is note each expense you have. So, if you buy clothes or go out to eat, then make a note of that and subtract this amount from your remaining balance which is your discretionary money. So, for instance, say you went out to dinner Friday and spent $25 and then to the movies Saturday and spent $10. So subtract your weekend spending from that amount. New equation: 468 minus 35 equals 433. Then on to the next thing you spend. Then the subtraction continues. Try and save some each month though so you can have more money to spend the next month if you need it. You may have expenses you did not anticipate, so if you save some even if its $100 this will help a lot. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Koby Cox Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:30 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Budgeting Arielle, So I would put In the doctors bill which Is $110 then I would put in $120 for transportation and that would give me a total of 230 then I would subtract that total which Is 230 from my SSI income which Is $698 and that would give me a total of negative 468 Is that right or didI do something wrong during the process? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Budgeting Hi Koby, You would need to figure out how much the doctor's bill is and how much you pay each month for transportation. Then add those two amounts and subtract the total from your total income. The rest is discretionary money you can spend on whatever. Every time you buy something that is not part of transportation or your doctor's bill, subtract it from your total discretionary money. Arielle On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Arielle, > How would you do this budget If you only have a doctors bill and also > transportation that you have to pay for? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:51 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting > > Hi all, > I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to > learn. I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't > have to do it this way, but I do think it is important to have some > formal way of tracking how much money you have and how much you can > afford to spend on a weekly or monthly basis. I think this is > especially critical for those of us on fixed incomes. Once you have a > budget, you will be able to tell not only when you need to cut back on > your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the game" and can > afford to spend a little more. > > Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three bank > statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much money > you get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, > SSI, checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all > expenses you have that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up > every month, such as rent and bills. > I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a > Braille Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled "income" > and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, > you earn $500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from > Social Security, and this happens every single month, you would put > 1000 into the income box. > Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of > your bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every > month. Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, cell > phone bill, doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count > groceries as a fixed expense because even though buying groceries is > required for survival, the actual amount you spend on groceries is > flexible and can be changed from month to month, whereas the amount > you spend on your cell phone bill is generally the same from month to > month. You might want to designate a minimum grocery payment as a > fixed expense to make sure you've set aside some money for groceries, > and then allow yourself to spend more than that minimum on groceries > if you have extra discretionary money (see below). For our > hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose > that person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone > bill, $50 Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. > That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. > Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract the > fixed expense total from your total income. What you have left is > "discretionary money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our > hypothetical person has $400 per month in discretionary money that > he/she can spend on whatever. You might choose to further divide your > discretionary money into more categories, for example, giving yourself > $100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation > and $100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know > what kinds of things you like to spend your money on. The big key is > just to make sure that in a month you don't spend more than what you > have available for discretionary spending, so this person should not > spend more than $400 per month on optional or discretionary things. > Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget and > know how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, > every time you buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back to > your budget and subtract that amount from what you have designated as > discretionary money. That way, you will be able to see right away if > your funds are getting low and can make a decision not to buy that new > party outfit, etc. If, however, it's almost the end of the month and > you still have quite a bit of discretionary money left over, you can > treat yourself to something nice without feeling guilty, because you > will know that you will still have enough money left to get through > the rest of the month. > If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I > will put that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my > savings adds up, I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a trip. > If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip > into your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional > big expense, like a trip, comes up. > The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether > to move out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper > place. If you are putting lots of extra money into savings each month, > then you can probably afford to pay more rent, but if you are > perpetually running out of discretionary funds before the end of the > month, then it might be time to cut back either on the discretionary > expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee every day) or on the fixed expenses > (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment or cutting back on the cell > phone plan). > In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about > setting it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday > is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping > regular tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have > will ensure you don't miss an expense. > I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list > or by phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of the > minor hassle. > Best, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: > 10/13/12 01:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 01:34:00 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Oct 14 01:29:31 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:29:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41402BDC3F52403A945DBCC5F28356C3@OwnerPC> Koby, A correction it is positive 468. This is the amount of money you have to spend on daily stuff. I imagine this is not much if you live at home; I assume your mom pays for food, utilities and other house expenses such as a mortgage. This is quite a bit of money for the month. As long as you don't spend over $100 a week, you should be fine. Even if you spent $50 a week, this is only $200 monthly which gives you a few hundred left over. So you should be in good shape. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Koby Cox Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:30 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Budgeting Arielle, So I would put In the doctors bill which Is $110 then I would put in $120 for transportation and that would give me a total of 230 then I would subtract that total which Is 230 from my SSI income which Is $698 and that would give me a total of negative 468 Is that right or didI do something wrong during the process? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Budgeting Hi Koby, You would need to figure out how much the doctor's bill is and how much you pay each month for transportation. Then add those two amounts and subtract the total from your total income. The rest is discretionary money you can spend on whatever. Every time you buy something that is not part of transportation or your doctor's bill, subtract it from your total discretionary money. Arielle On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Arielle, > How would you do this budget If you only have a doctors bill and also > transportation that you have to pay for? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:51 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting > > Hi all, > I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to > learn. I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't > have to do it this way, but I do think it is important to have some > formal way of tracking how much money you have and how much you can > afford to spend on a weekly or monthly basis. I think this is > especially critical for those of us on fixed incomes. Once you have a > budget, you will be able to tell not only when you need to cut back on > your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the game" and can > afford to spend a little more. > > Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three bank > statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much money > you get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, > SSI, checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all > expenses you have that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up > every month, such as rent and bills. > I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a > Braille Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled "income" > and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, > you earn $500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from > Social Security, and this happens every single month, you would put > 1000 into the income box. > Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of > your bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every > month. Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, cell > phone bill, doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count > groceries as a fixed expense because even though buying groceries is > required for survival, the actual amount you spend on groceries is > flexible and can be changed from month to month, whereas the amount > you spend on your cell phone bill is generally the same from month to > month. You might want to designate a minimum grocery payment as a > fixed expense to make sure you've set aside some money for groceries, > and then allow yourself to spend more than that minimum on groceries > if you have extra discretionary money (see below). For our > hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose > that person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone > bill, $50 Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. > That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. > Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract the > fixed expense total from your total income. What you have left is > "discretionary money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our > hypothetical person has $400 per month in discretionary money that > he/she can spend on whatever. You might choose to further divide your > discretionary money into more categories, for example, giving yourself > $100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation > and $100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know > what kinds of things you like to spend your money on. The big key is > just to make sure that in a month you don't spend more than what you > have available for discretionary spending, so this person should not > spend more than $400 per month on optional or discretionary things. > Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget and > know how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, > every time you buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back to > your budget and subtract that amount from what you have designated as > discretionary money. That way, you will be able to see right away if > your funds are getting low and can make a decision not to buy that new > party outfit, etc. If, however, it's almost the end of the month and > you still have quite a bit of discretionary money left over, you can > treat yourself to something nice without feeling guilty, because you > will know that you will still have enough money left to get through > the rest of the month. > If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I > will put that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my > savings adds up, I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a trip. > If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip > into your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional > big expense, like a trip, comes up. > The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether > to move out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper > place. If you are putting lots of extra money into savings each month, > then you can probably afford to pay more rent, but if you are > perpetually running out of discretionary funds before the end of the > month, then it might be time to cut back either on the discretionary > expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee every day) or on the fixed expenses > (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment or cutting back on the cell > phone plan). > In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about > setting it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday > is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping > regular tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have > will ensure you don't miss an expense. > I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list > or by phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of the > minor hassle. > Best, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: > 10/13/12 01:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 01:34:00 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Oct 14 01:32:14 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:32:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting In-Reply-To: <0B8F7F98727E48BB98710058FD983322@OwnerPC> References: <0B8F7F98727E48BB98710058FD983322@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <811F8C2D3D674D0D92D34ACCEEB0B68C@OwnerPC> Koby, it is positive. 698 minus 230 equals 468. A negative number means you are overdrawing. Positive simply means this is a number above zero; it means in the money case that you have this money to spend. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Koby Cox Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:56 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Budgeting Nope. Why? And also how did you get that positive balance? Because when I do It I get a negative balance. Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Budgeting It's positive 468. So you have $468 each month to spend on other things. Do you pay a cell phone bill? Arielle On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: > Arielle, > So I would put In the doctors bill which Is $110 then I would put in > $120 for transportation and that would give me a total of 230 then I > would subtract that total which Is 230 from my SSI income which Is $698 > and that would give me a total of negative 468 Is that right or didI do > something wrong during the process? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Budgeting > > Hi Koby, > You would need to figure out how much the doctor's bill is and how > much you pay each month for transportation. Then add those two amounts > and subtract the total from your total income. The rest is > discretionary money you can spend on whatever. Every time you buy > something that is not part of transportation or your doctor's bill, > subtract it from your total discretionary money. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, Koby Cox wrote: >> Arielle, >> How would you do this budget If you only have a doctors bill and also >> transportation that you have to pay for? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >> Silverman >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:51 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting >> >> Hi all, >> I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to >> learn. I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't >> have to do it this way, but I do think it is important to have some >> formal way of tracking how much money you have and how much you can >> afford to spend on a weekly or monthly basis. I think this is >> especially critical for those of us on fixed incomes. Once you have a >> budget, you will be able to tell not only when you need to cut back on >> your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the game" and can >> afford to spend a little more. >> >> Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three bank >> statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much money >> you get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, >> SSI, checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all >> expenses you have that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up >> every month, such as rent and bills. >> I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a >> Braille Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled "income" >> and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, >> you earn $500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from >> Social Security, and this happens every single month, you would put >> 1000 into the income box. >> Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of >> your bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every >> month. Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, cell >> phone bill, doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count >> groceries as a fixed expense because even though buying groceries is >> required for survival, the actual amount you spend on groceries is >> flexible and can be changed from month to month, whereas the amount >> you spend on your cell phone bill is generally the same from month to >> month. You might want to designate a minimum grocery payment as a >> fixed expense to make sure you've set aside some money for groceries, >> and then allow yourself to spend more than that minimum on groceries >> if you have extra discretionary money (see below). For our >> hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose >> that person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone >> bill, $50 Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. >> That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. >> Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract the >> fixed expense total from your total income. What you have left is >> "discretionary money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our >> hypothetical person has $400 per month in discretionary money that >> he/she can spend on whatever. You might choose to further divide your >> discretionary money into more categories, for example, giving yourself >> $100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation >> and $100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know >> what kinds of things you like to spend your money on. The big key is >> just to make sure that in a month you don't spend more than what you >> have available for discretionary spending, so this person should not >> spend more than $400 per month on optional or discretionary things. >> Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget and >> know how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, >> every time you buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back to >> your budget and subtract that amount from what you have designated as >> discretionary money. That way, you will be able to see right away if >> your funds are getting low and can make a decision not to buy that new >> party outfit, etc. If, however, it's almost the end of the month and >> you still have quite a bit of discretionary money left over, you can >> treat yourself to something nice without feeling guilty, because you >> will know that you will still have enough money left to get through >> the rest of the month. >> If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I >> will put that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my >> savings adds up, I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a trip. >> If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip >> into your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional >> big expense, like a trip, comes up. >> The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether >> to move out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper >> place. If you are putting lots of extra money into savings each month, >> then you can probably afford to pay more rent, but if you are >> perpetually running out of discretionary funds before the end of the >> month, then it might be time to cut back either on the discretionary >> expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee every day) or on the fixed expenses >> (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment or cutting back on the cell >> phone plan). >> In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about >> setting it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday >> is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping >> regular tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have >> will ensure you don't miss an expense. >> I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list >> or by phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of the >> minor hassle. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: >> 10/13/12 01:34:00 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co > m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: > 10/13/12 01:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2441.1.1/5329 - Release Date: 10/13/12 01:34:00 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 01:21:22 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:21:22 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <353A2E58938E4EAB885EFFDC0805DF59@userPC> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how to tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team moble? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. ----- Original Message ----- From: christopher nusbaum wrote: Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the touch screen? Patrick On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here should know more. Arielle On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, general, VoiceOver I think. Dave At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: Joshua, Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all. ~Jewel On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced phone out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <-6011228831577812815@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <2A3D3FC74BF142C88885BA01C487021C@userPC> How long did it take you to get used to the touch screene on either the Iphone or Ipod? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher nusbaum Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem I know! At the Buddy program at LCB this year, all the counselors except 1 had iPhones. I had been wanting one for a while, and when I saw all they could do, I was really jealous, and now I have one! :) By the way, Sophie, do you remember Emilie West from last year's Buddy Program? She was back this year, and remembers you. She is still known around LCB as the Prosecuter, and she picked on Mr. G this year as much as she did last year. :) Feel free to write me off-list; I know I'm getting off-topic. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 02:30:26 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:30:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <353A2E58938E4EAB885EFFDC0805DF59@userPC> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> <353A2E58938E4EAB885EFFDC0805DF59@userPC> Message-ID: <823851487550949495@unknownmsgid> I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: > I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and > Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how to > tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team > moble? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a > hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my > phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I > can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like > many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen > threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith > was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is > probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually > use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy > wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting > with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else > here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home > button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work > you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone > who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to > turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel > wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact > very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a > touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people > shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help > to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very > annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to > say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things > just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 02:46:26 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:46:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <823851487550949495@unknownmsgid> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> <353A2E58938E4EAB885EFFDC0805DF59@userPC> <823851487550949495@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: that is good to know. because i use TTY, and as long as TTY has been around, there aload of people who do not no what that is. so i have people hang up on me all the time. so if i do not have to call them, and i can just go in to the store, that would be great. Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 22:30, christopher nusbaum wrote: > I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get > at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and > turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our > local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. > He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to > do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: > >> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and >> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how to >> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >> moble? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >> probably >> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >> use the >> dictate feature or Siri, though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >> wrote: >> >> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >> with the >> touch screen? >> Patrick >> >> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >> here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >> button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >> you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >> who >> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >> turn on >> speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >> wrote: >> >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >> very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >> touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >> shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >> to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >> annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >> say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >> advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >> just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 02:48:55 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:48:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <2A3D3FC74BF142C88885BA01C487021C@userPC> References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <-6011228831577812815@unknownmsgid> <2A3D3FC74BF142C88885BA01C487021C@userPC> Message-ID: <3B315A09-C314-4D7D-9FCC-06C38C1A2AD3@gmail.com> i am still working with the touch screen. i use the blue tooth keyboard to do most of my work. but i do use the touch screen to type as well. Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 21:22, "Rania Ismail LMT" wrote: > How long did it take you to get used to the touch screene on either the > Iphone or Ipod? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher > nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I know! At the Buddy program at LCB this year, all the counselors > except 1 had iPhones. I had been wanting one for a while, and when I > saw all they could do, I was really jealous, and now I have one! :) By > the way, Sophie, do you remember Emilie West from last year's Buddy > Program? She was back this year, and remembers you. She is still known > around LCB as the Prosecuter, and she picked on Mr. G this year as > much as she did last year. :) Feel free to write me off-list; I know > I'm getting off-topic. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs > than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch > screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone > was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the I-phone for > about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just take > time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see myself > going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From gera1027 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 02:45:17 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:45:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Weird problem between Akapela voices and RbClip Message-ID: <507A273D.6080800@gmail.com> HI guys: Anyone of you use RbClip or Voicevox to prepare files so when they get loaded on the Rockbox player (I've got the Sansa Clip Plus model with Rockbox), they read out the file names normally in stead of spelling them? OK yesterday I put as default Akapela Heather on my Windows7 pc; when I went to use RbClip or Voicevox to name the files, it didn't work! In RbClip it got to Processing and nothing happened, except an Interrupt button. What's even more weird is I went to Control Panel and rechanged the default voice back to Microsoft Ana, and everything back to normal! So my question is would I have to everytime I want to name files, go back to Control Panel and rechange the Ana voice? Any ideas appreciated. Gerardo From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 01:57:53 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:57:53 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <823851487550949495@unknownmsgid> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com><353A2E58938E4EAB885EFFDC0805DF59@userPC> <823851487550949495@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <762874A23FC84115B7B0EC091F3F71E1@userPC> Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they don't know how to turn it on -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher nusbaum Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: > I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and > Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how to > tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team > moble? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a > hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my > phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I > can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like > many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen > threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith > was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is > probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually > use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy > wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting > with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else > here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home > button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work > you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone > who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to > turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel > wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact > very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a > touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people > shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help > to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very > annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to > say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things > just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From gera1027 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 03:28:44 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:28:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <762874A23FC84115B7B0EC091F3F71E1@userPC> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> <353A2E58938E4EAB885EFFDC0805DF59@userPC> <823851487550949495@unknownmsgid> <762874A23FC84115B7B0EC091F3F71E1@userPC> Message-ID: <402868EA-3ACB-4724-9FD2-652BB3C4847D@gmail.com> I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the Iusacel store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like to think, to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. Good luck! Enviado desde mi iPhone El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" escribió: > Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they > don't know how to turn it on > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher > nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get > at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and > turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our > local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. > He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to > do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT > wrote: > >> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and >> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how to >> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >> moble? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >> probably >> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >> use the >> dictate feature or Siri, though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >> wrote: >> >> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >> with the >> touch screen? >> Patrick >> >> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >> here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >> button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >> you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >> who >> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >> turn on >> speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >> wrote: >> >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >> very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >> touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >> shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >> to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >> annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >> say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >> advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >> just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 03:44:23 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:44:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem Message-ID: <507a3518.3445b60a.5f7c.4606@mx.google.com> Rania, there is no need to waste money on an iPhone and an iPod touch. If I were you, I would simply buy the iPhone, because it has all the capabilities of an iPod touch, plus a few more things. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail LMT" wrote: Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the touch screen? Patrick On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here should know more. Arielle On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, general, VoiceOver I think. Dave At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced phone out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" References: <6484FCE4C560449597DDE3E003995EE2@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <1A3A9D31-4463-4817-95BF-28CFAA02DEAD@gmail.com> Hi Brandon, Does the area you are going to have cab companies? This is generally what I end up using. It isn't cheap, but the few times I have price compared between the cabs and local car services, the cab service was cheaper. I guess that all depends on the length of your trip etc. and whether or not it is worth it to possibly pay more for a more reliable service. For longer trips, the car service may have the better price. If you schedule rides ahead of time and plan to arrive early, the cab option really isn't too unreliable though, in my experience. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. -Greg On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:30 PM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" wrote: > Hello, > I'm wondering if anyone has any driver's contracts or has any personal stories with using Car Services? I'm starting to plan for when I go to a new town for a 3 week stay and need super reliable daily transportation to a place and I won't have any kind of Public transit. > Thank you, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 13:36:50 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:36:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <507a3518.3445b60a.5f7c.4606@mx.google.com> References: <507a3518.3445b60a.5f7c.4606@mx.google.com> Message-ID: ronnia, i plan to get the iphone. my friend has 1 and loves it. Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:44, Sophie Trist wrote: > Rania, there is no need to waste money on an iPhone and an iPod touch. If I were you, I would simply buy the iPhone, because it has all the capabilities of an iPod touch, plus a few more things. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:21:22 -0300 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and > Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how to > tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team > moble? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a > hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my > phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I > can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like > many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen > threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith > was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is > probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually > use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy > wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting > with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else > here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home > button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work > you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone > who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to > turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact > very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a > touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people > shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help > to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very > annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to > say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things > just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 13:40:42 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:40:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <402868EA-3ACB-4724-9FD2-652BB3C4847D@gmail.com> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> <353A2E58938E4EAB885EFFDC0805DF59@userPC> <823851487550949495@unknownmsgid> <762874A23FC84115B7B0EC091F3F71E1@userPC> <402868EA-3ACB-4724-9FD2-652BB3C4847D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <78D88DA4-08EB-4976-95DC-33AE255125B2@gmail.com> the people at the apple are so thural, tha they will even email you instructions, if u need it, and or let you record them, as they do whatever u are asking them to do. my info is emailed to me. freel free to email me off list if you want. this goes for the hole list Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:28, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the Iusacel store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like to think, to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. Good luck! > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" escribió: > >> Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they >> don't know how to turn it on >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >> nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get >> at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and >> turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our >> local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. >> He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to >> do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT >> wrote: >> >>> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and >>> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how to >>> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >>> moble? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist >>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >>> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >>> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >>> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >>> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >>> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >>> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: christopher nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >>> probably >>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >>> use the >>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>> wrote: >>> >>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >>> with the >>> touch screen? >>> Patrick >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >>> here >>> should know more. >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >>> button >>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >>> you >>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >>> who >>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >>> turn on >>> speach >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >>> wrote: >>> >>> Joshua, >>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >>> very >>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >>> touchscreen. >>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >>> shouldn't. >>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >>> to the >>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >>> annoying. >>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >>> say, >>> don't say anything at all. >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >>> advanced >>> phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>> use a touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>> I-phone for about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>> the start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >>> just >>> take time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>> myself going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>> actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>> Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>> playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>> I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 14:15:42 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:15:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <507a3518.3445b60a.5f7c.4606@mx.google.com> References: <507a3518.3445b60a.5f7c.4606@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-6140958806404072648@unknownmsgid> I agree. I would either just get an iPhone or get an iTouch and traditional feature phone that only makes calls and sends the text. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Rania, there is no need to waste money on an iPhone and an iPod touch. If I were you, I would simply buy the iPhone, because it has all the capabilities of an iPod touch, plus a few more things. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:21:22 -0300 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and > Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how to > tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team > moble? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a > hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my > phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I > can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like > many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen > threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith > was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is > probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually > use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy > wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting > with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else > here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home > button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work > you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone > who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to > turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact > very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a > touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people > shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help > to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very > annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to > say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things > just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 14:18:15 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:18:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <762874A23FC84115B7B0EC091F3F71E1@userPC> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> <353A2E58938E4EAB885EFFDC0805DF59@userPC> <823851487550949495@unknownmsgid> <762874A23FC84115B7B0EC091F3F71E1@userPC> Message-ID: <-6186156645286335169@unknownmsgid> They should know how to do it, but I would write the instructions down and save them just in case. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: > Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they > don't know how to turn it on > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher > nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get > at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and > turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our > local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. > He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to > do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT > wrote: > >> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and >> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how to >> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >> moble? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >> probably >> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >> use the >> dictate feature or Siri, though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >> wrote: >> >> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >> with the >> touch screen? >> Patrick >> >> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >> here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >> button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >> you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >> who >> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >> turn on >> speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >> wrote: >> >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >> very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >> touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >> shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >> to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >> annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >> say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >> advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >> just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 13:18:13 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:18:13 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <78D88DA4-08EB-4976-95DC-33AE255125B2@gmail.com> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com><353A2E58938E4EAB885EFFDC0805DF59@userPC><823851487550949495@unknownmsgid><762874A23FC84115B7B0EC091F3F71E1@userPC><402868EA-3ACB-4724-9FD2-652BB3C4847D@gmail.com> <78D88DA4-08EB-4976-95DC-33AE255125B2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh wow! So they can email me instructions on how to download aps and things to help me get used to the Iphone? That's pretty cool! Thanks for letting me know! Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:41 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem the people at the apple are so thural, tha they will even email you instructions, if u need it, and or let you record them, as they do whatever u are asking them to do. my info is emailed to me. freel free to email me off list if you want. this goes for the hole list Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:28, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the Iusacel store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like to think, to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. Good luck! > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" escribió: > >> Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they >> don't know how to turn it on >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >> nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get >> at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and >> turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our >> local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. >> He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to >> do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT >> wrote: >> >>> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and >>> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how to >>> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >>> moble? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist >>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >>> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >>> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >>> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >>> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >>> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >>> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: christopher nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >>> probably >>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >>> use the >>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>> wrote: >>> >>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >>> with the >>> touch screen? >>> Patrick >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >>> here >>> should know more. >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >>> button >>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >>> you >>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >>> who >>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >>> turn on >>> speach >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >>> wrote: >>> >>> Joshua, >>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >>> very >>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >>> touchscreen. >>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >>> shouldn't. >>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >>> to the >>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >>> annoying. >>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >>> say, >>> don't say anything at all. >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >>> advanced >>> phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>> use a touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>> I-phone for about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>> the start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >>> just >>> take time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>> myself going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>> actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>> Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>> playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>> I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 13:19:38 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:19:38 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <507a3518.3445b60a.5f7c.4606@mx.google.com> References: <507a3518.3445b60a.5f7c.4606@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thank you. I plan on getting one or the other. I don't need both. I am going to look at both and figure out what I want or need more. Thanks for your suggestion! Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:44 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem Rania, there is no need to waste money on an iPhone and an iPod touch. If I were you, I would simply buy the iPhone, because it has all the capabilities of an iPod touch, plus a few more things. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail LMT" wrote: Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the touch screen? Patrick On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here should know more. Arielle On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, general, VoiceOver I think. Dave At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced phone out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" I didn't know about the email thing, but it sounds like a really good service to use if you're that kind of person. However, I tend to learn better by actually doing stuff with the device. I found the iPhone very user friendly. I needed minimal help to get started. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail LMT" wrote: I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the Iusacel store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like to think, to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. Good luck! Enviado desde mi iPhone El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" wrote: Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the touch screen? Patrick On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here should know more. Arielle On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, general, VoiceOver I think. Dave At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced phone out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" References: <6484FCE4C560449597DDE3E003995EE2@BrandonsLaptop2> <1A3A9D31-4463-4817-95BF-28CFAA02DEAD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6DED9FDDBC1442E985085164E3CB6E3A@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, The difficulty is with the payment. If I'm in another country especially I'd be a little phreaked out with a cab situation. Is a cab like an outreach where you have to call them the day before to schedule like 2 or 3 rides, or how does that work? I've never tried using cabs for more than a ride or two. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? Hi Brandon, Does the area you are going to have cab companies? This is generally what I end up using. It isn't cheap, but the few times I have price compared between the cabs and local car services, the cab service was cheaper. I guess that all depends on the length of your trip etc. and whether or not it is worth it to possibly pay more for a more reliable service. For longer trips, the car service may have the better price. If you schedule rides ahead of time and plan to arrive early, the cab option really isn't too unreliable though, in my experience. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. -Greg On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:30 PM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" wrote: > Hello, > I'm wondering if anyone has any driver's contracts or has any personal > stories with using Car Services? I'm starting to plan for when I go to a > new town for a 3 week stay and need super reliable daily transportation to > a place and I won't have any kind of Public transit. > Thank you, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Sun Oct 14 16:14:34 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:14:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Subscription In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The link to subscribe is: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org Dave At 03:32 PM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Would someone email me the subscription link for this list? > >Have a great Saturday! >Ashley Coleman From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 16:29:45 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:29:45 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? In-Reply-To: <6DED9FDDBC1442E985085164E3CB6E3A@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <6484FCE4C560449597DDE3E003995EE2@BrandonsLaptop2> <1A3A9D31-4463-4817-95BF-28CFAA02DEAD@gmail.com> <6DED9FDDBC1442E985085164E3CB6E3A@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: You can schedule one ride in advance with most cab companies, but what might be better is to call a cab the first day, then if you like the driver you get, ask them if they regularly work during that time and you could get that driver's phone number and make an arrangement for them to drive you to and from your destination every day for a certain price that you negotiate with them. If you're in the United States, you can also go on Craigslist for the town you'll be in and post a job ad for a driver there. Arielle On 10/14/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > The difficulty is with the payment. If I'm in another country especially I'd > > be a little phreaked out with a cab situation. Is a cab like an outreach > where you have to call them the day before to schedule like 2 or 3 rides, or > > how does that work? I've never tried using cabs for more than a ride or > two. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Aikens > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? > > Hi Brandon, > Does the area you are going to have cab companies? This is generally what I > > end up using. It isn't cheap, but the few times I have price compared > between the cabs and local car services, the cab service was cheaper. I > guess that all depends on the length of your trip etc. and whether or not it > > is worth it to possibly pay more for a more reliable service. For longer > trips, the car service may have the better price. If you schedule rides > ahead of time and plan to arrive early, the cab option really isn't too > unreliable though, in my experience. > > I hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. > > -Greg > On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:30 PM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" > wrote: > >> Hello, >> I'm wondering if anyone has any driver's contracts or has any personal >> stories with using Car Services? I'm starting to plan for when I go to a >> new town for a 3 week stay and need super reliable daily transportation to >> >> a place and I won't have any kind of Public transit. >> Thank you, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 15:38:09 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:38:09 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <-6186156645286335169@unknownmsgid> References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com><353A2E58938E4EAB885EFFDC0805DF59@userPC><823851487550949495@unknownmsgid><762874A23FC84115B7B0EC091F3F71E1@userPC> <-6186156645286335169@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <3C7AD61857204B479C28691B31DE585D@userPC> Ok thank you! Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher nusbaum Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 11:18 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem They should know how to do it, but I would write the instructions down and save them just in case. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: > Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they > don't know how to turn it on > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher > nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get > at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and > turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our > local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. > He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to > do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT > wrote: > >> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and >> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how to >> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >> moble? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >> probably >> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >> use the >> dictate feature or Siri, though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >> wrote: >> >> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >> with the >> touch screen? >> Patrick >> >> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >> here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >> button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >> you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >> who >> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >> turn on >> speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >> wrote: >> >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >> very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >> touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >> shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >> to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >> annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >> say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >> advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >> just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 16:47:32 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:47:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <507adb57.c9043c0a.644a.ffffd88a@mx.google.com> References: <507adb57.c9043c0a.644a.ffffd88a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: they even drew pictures for me somehow. But remember, I am not just blind. So I have to deal with both, and this means I have to use braille, large print, and use screen readers. Sent from my iPad On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:33, Sophie Trist wrote: > I didn't know about the email thing, but it sounds like a really good service to use if you're that kind of person. However, I tend to learn better by actually doing stuff with the device. I found the iPhone very user friendly. I needed minimal help to get started. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:18:13 -0300 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Oh wow! So they can email me instructions on how to download aps and things > to help me get used to the Iphone? > That's pretty cool! > Thanks for letting me know! > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:41 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > the people at the apple are so thural, tha they will even email you > instructions, if u need it, and or let you record them, as they do whatever > u are asking them to do. my info is emailed to me. freel free to email me > off list if you want. this goes for the hole list > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:28, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > > I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the Iusacel > store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like to think, > to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. Good luck! > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" escribió: > > Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they > don't know how to turn it on > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher > nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get > at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and > turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our > local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. > He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to > do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: > > I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch > and > Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how > to > tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team > moble? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie > Trist > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a > hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my > phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I > can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like > many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen > threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith > was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is > probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually > use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy > wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting > with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else > here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home > button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work > you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone > who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to > turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact > very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a > touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people > shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help > to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very > annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to > say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things > just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gm > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416 > %40gmail.co > m > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 16:49:13 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:49:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> <353A2E58938E4EAB885EFFDC0805DF59@userPC> <823851487550949495@unknownmsgid> <762874A23FC84115B7B0EC091F3F71E1@userPC> <402868EA-3ACB-4724-9FD2-652BB3C4847D@gmail.com> <78D88DA4-08EB-4976-95DC-33AE255125B2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6F36E50A-E89A-46BD-AC0B-EF8E025302BC@gmail.com> no problem. i like to help people when i can. Sent from my iPad On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:18, "Rania Ismail LMT" wrote: > Oh wow! So they can email me instructions on how to download aps and things > to help me get used to the Iphone? > That's pretty cool! > Thanks for letting me know! > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:41 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > the people at the apple are so thural, tha they will even email you > instructions, if u need it, and or let you record them, as they do whatever > u are asking them to do. my info is emailed to me. freel free to email me > off list if you want. this goes for the hole list > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:28, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > >> I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the Iusacel > store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like to think, > to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. Good luck! >> >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >> El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" > escribió: >> >>> Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they >>> don't know how to turn it on >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >>> nusbaum >>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get >>> at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and >>> turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our >>> local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. >>> He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to >>> do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch > and >>>> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how > to >>>> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >>>> moble? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie > Trist >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >>>> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >>>> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >>>> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >>>> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >>>> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >>>> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: christopher nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >>>> probably >>>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >>>> use the >>>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >>>> with the >>>> touch screen? >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >>>> here >>>> should know more. >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >>>> button >>>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >>>> you >>>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >>>> who >>>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >>>> turn on >>>> speach >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Joshua, >>>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >>>> very >>>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >>>> touchscreen. >>>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >>>> shouldn't. >>>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >>>> to the >>>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >>>> annoying. >>>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >>>> say, >>>> don't say anything at all. >>>> ~Jewel >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >>>> advanced >>>> phone out there. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gloria G" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>> use a touch >>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>> I-phone for about >>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>> the start, >>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >>>> just >>>> take time. >>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>> myself going >>>> to anything else. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> >>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>> actual >>>> buttons. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>> Trist >>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>> To: nabs >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>> playing >>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>> I >>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>> Apple. >>>> All the best, >>>> Sophie Trist >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>> m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>> r%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.co > m > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 15:49:04 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:49:04 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <507adb57.c9043c0a.644a.ffffd88a@mx.google.com> References: <507adb57.c9043c0a.644a.ffffd88a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0CC4041D418E4A4A90D611E7A8B43D6F@userPC> I am the kind of person ware I need both. I need to be walked threw how to use something like that while using it at the same time. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem I didn't know about the email thing, but it sounds like a really good service to use if you're that kind of person. However, I tend to learn better by actually doing stuff with the device. I found the iPhone very user friendly. I needed minimal help to get started. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail LMT" wrote: I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the Iusacel store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like to think, to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. Good luck! Enviado desde mi iPhone El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" wrote: Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the touch screen? Patrick On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here should know more. Arielle On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, general, VoiceOver I think. Dave At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on speach Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced phone out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" References: <6484FCE4C560449597DDE3E003995EE2@BrandonsLaptop2><1A3A9D31-4463-4817-95BF-28CFAA02DEAD@gmail.com><6DED9FDDBC1442E985085164E3CB6E3A@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: Hello, Cab drivers are negotiable? I thought their company was a fixed rate? Or were you meaning with tips and whatnot? Also, when Cabs come, do they yell at you to let you know they are there? Because There is no way I'm going to know a car in front of me is a cab for me unless they say something. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:29 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? You can schedule one ride in advance with most cab companies, but what might be better is to call a cab the first day, then if you like the driver you get, ask them if they regularly work during that time and you could get that driver's phone number and make an arrangement for them to drive you to and from your destination every day for a certain price that you negotiate with them. If you're in the United States, you can also go on Craigslist for the town you'll be in and post a job ad for a driver there. Arielle On 10/14/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > The difficulty is with the payment. If I'm in another country especially > I'd > > be a little phreaked out with a cab situation. Is a cab like an outreach > where you have to call them the day before to schedule like 2 or 3 rides, > or > > how does that work? I've never tried using cabs for more than a ride or > two. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Aikens > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? > > Hi Brandon, > Does the area you are going to have cab companies? This is generally what > I > > end up using. It isn't cheap, but the few times I have price compared > between the cabs and local car services, the cab service was cheaper. I > guess that all depends on the length of your trip etc. and whether or not > it > > is worth it to possibly pay more for a more reliable service. For longer > trips, the car service may have the better price. If you schedule rides > ahead of time and plan to arrive early, the cab option really isn't too > unreliable though, in my experience. > > I hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. > > -Greg > On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:30 PM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" > wrote: > >> Hello, >> I'm wondering if anyone has any driver's contracts or has any personal >> stories with using Car Services? I'm starting to plan for when I go to a >> new town for a 3 week stay and need super reliable daily transportation >> to >> >> a place and I won't have any kind of Public transit. >> Thank you, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 17:04:50 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:04:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <0CC4041D418E4A4A90D611E7A8B43D6F@userPC> References: <507adb57.c9043c0a.644a.ffffd88a@mx.google.com> <0CC4041D418E4A4A90D611E7A8B43D6F@userPC> Message-ID: <3650D058-3858-4220-AE29-D638B8572184@gmail.com> i was aloud to use a mac to communicate with them as we worked, then emailed everthing wth words and pictures. so i got the best of all worlds. Sent from my iPad On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:49, "Rania Ismail LMT" wrote: > I am the kind of person ware I need both. I need to be walked threw how to > use something like that while using it at the same time. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I didn't know about the email thing, but it sounds like a really > good service to use if you're that kind of person. However, I > tend to learn better by actually doing stuff with the device. I > found the iPhone very user friendly. I needed minimal help to get > started. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:18:13 -0300 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Oh wow! So they can email me instructions on how to download aps > and things > to help me get used to the Iphone? > That's pretty cool! > Thanks for letting me know! > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:41 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > the people at the apple are so thural, tha they will even email > you > instructions, if u need it, and or let you record them, as they > do whatever > u are asking them to do. my info is emailed to me. freel free to > email me > off list if you want. this goes for the hole list > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:28, Gerardo Corripio > wrote: > > I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the > Iusacel > store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like > to think, > to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. > Good luck! > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" > escribió: > > Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in > case they > don't know how to turn it on > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > christopher > nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person > you get > at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, > and > turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at > our > local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on > for me. > He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was > able to > do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good > luck! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT > wrote: > > I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod > touch > and > Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who > knows how > to > tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work > with Team > moble? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Sophie > Trist > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a > hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my > phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I > can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like > many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen > threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith > was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is > probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually > use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy > wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting > with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else > here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home > button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work > you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone > who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to > turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact > very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a > touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people > shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help > to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very > annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to > say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things > just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your 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account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gm > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416 > %40gmail.co > m > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 17:53:36 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:53:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: The 2012-2013 Braille Readers Are Leaders Adult Contest and the NABS Pennies for Pages Fundraiser In-Reply-To: <000001cda019$7f56bd70$7e043850$@com> References: <000001cda019$7f56bd70$7e043850$@com> Message-ID: >From the Nabs Fundraising Committee. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gabe Cazares Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 16:12:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The 2012-2013 Braille Readers Are Leaders Adult Contest and the NABS Pennies for Pages Fundraiser To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list , Texas Association of Blind Students , NFB of Texas Members Dear TABSters, NABSters, and Federation Family As you very well know, October 1 officially marks the beginning of Meet The Blind Month, as well as the registration period for the Adult Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest. Our very own National Association of Blind Students runs a fundraiser known as Pennies for Pages in conjunction with the Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest, and this year we're counting on you! The way it works: Much like a walkathon, the Pennies for Pages fundraiser counts on pledges. If you are pledging, you have the option to pledge a flat rate, or a certain amount per each page read. For example, if I were pledging a flat rate, I'd say I'll give $50.00 at the end of the contest period for your pages read. If I were pledging a certain amount per page, I'd say for every page you read I'll give you $0.25. It doesn't matter if you pledge a flat rate, or pledge a certain amount per page, the point is to collect pledges! At the end of the contest period, your pledge checks will be mailed to the NABS Treasurer, and the amount made by each state student division will be split 50/50 with NABS. What do I mean by that, I mean that whatever amount of money the Texas Association of Blind Students manages to collect, for example, will be split with NABS, meaning that TABS will get some of the money raised back, and so will your student division! So affiliate members and chapters, commit to pledge one or a group of students in your affiliate participating in this fundraiser! Find the pledge form here: http://www.nabslink.org How you can get involved: Sign up to participate in the 2012-2013 Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest, you have the option to sign up individually, or to make a team of 2 to 5 people and sign up that way! You don't have to be a student to read for the Pennies for Pages fundraiser! Whether you sign up on your lonesome, or make a group of Braille Superstars and sign up that way, it doesn't matter. The point is to sign up and put the fingers to the Braille! Find the signup form here: http://www.nfb.org/braille-readers-are-leaders-overview In addition to signing up, collect pledges! Ask your parents, your aunts and uncles, friends, employers, church members, who ever has money that you can get to, ask away! This fundraiser will help support both the excellent programs that NABS puts on for us, as well as supporting our local student divisions! Only your participation will have the ability to make this fundraiser successful! Let's see who the most active student division in NABS is for real, time to put our money where our mouth is! Out raise your fellow student divisions for the greatest prize of all, bragging rights! If you have any questions or concerns, or would like clarification with any portion of the #P4P fundraiser, please feel free to contact NABS President Sean Whalen or me. I look forward to a very competitive Braille Readers Are Leaders Contest, and Pennies for Pages fundraiser! All the best, Gabe Cazares, NABS Fundraising Committee Chair PS. I think Texas is going to raise more money than anyone else! smile Support fair wages for workers with disabilities! (H.R. 3086) www.nfb.org/fairwages Gabriel M. Cazares, 1st Vice President Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: 713-581-0619 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com -- Darian Smith "Let's work together to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson From isaac.hebert at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 17:52:48 2012 From: isaac.hebert at gmail.com (Isaac Hebert) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:52:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 72, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: didn't take long at all. On 10/14/12, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: iphone problem (Rania Ismail LMT) > 2. Re: iphone problem (christopher nusbaum) > 3. Re: iphone problem (Lavonya Gardner) > 4. Re: iphone problem (Lavonya Gardner) > 5. Weird problem between Akapela voices and RbClip (Gerardo Corripio) > 6. Re: iphone problem (Rania Ismail LMT) > 7. Re: iphone problem (Gerardo Corripio) > 8. Re: iphone problem (Sophie Trist) > 9. Re: Getting Drivers? (Greg Aikens) > 10. Re: iphone problem (Lavonya Gardner) > 11. Re: iphone problem (Lavonya Gardner) > 12. Re: iphone problem (christopher nusbaum) > 13. Re: iphone problem (christopher nusbaum) > 14. Re: iphone problem (Rania Ismail LMT) > 15. Re: iphone problem (Rania Ismail LMT) > 16. Re: iphone problem (Sophie Trist) > 17. Re: Getting Drivers? (Brandon Keith Biggs) > 18. Re: NABS Subscription (David Andrews) > 19. Re: Getting Drivers? (Arielle Silverman) > 20. Re: iphone problem (Rania Ismail LMT) > 21. Re: iphone problem (Lavonya Gardner) > 22. Re: iphone problem (Lavonya Gardner) > 23. Re: iphone problem (Rania Ismail LMT) > 24. Re: Getting Drivers? (Brandon Keith Biggs) > 25. Re: iphone problem (Lavonya Gardner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:22:29 -0300 > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <2A3D3FC74BF142C88885BA01C487021C at userPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > How long did it take you to get used to the touch screene on either the > Iphone or Ipod? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher > nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I know! At the Buddy program at LCB this year, all the counselors > except 1 had iPhones. I had been wanting one for a while, and when I > saw all they could do, I was really jealous, and now I have one! :) By > the way, Sophie, do you remember Emilie West from last year's Buddy > Program? She was back this year, and remembers you. She is still known > around LCB as the Prosecuter, and she picked on Mr. G this year as > much as she did last year. :) Feel free to write me off-list; I know > I'm getting off-topic. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Sophie Trist > wrote: > >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor >> bugs > than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole > touch > screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone > was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer use a >> touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the I-phone for > about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at the >> start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just take > time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see myself > going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:30:26 -0400 > From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <823851487550949495 at unknownmsgid> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get > at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and > turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our > local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. > He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to > do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT > wrote: > >> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and >> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how >> to >> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >> moble? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >> probably >> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >> use the >> dictate feature or Siri, though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >> wrote: >> >> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >> with the >> touch screen? >> Patrick >> >> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >> here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >> button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >> you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >> who >> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >> turn on >> speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >> wrote: >> >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >> very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >> touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >> shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >> to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >> annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >> say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >> advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >> just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:46:26 -0400 > From: Lavonya Gardner > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > that is good to know. because i use TTY, and as long as TTY has been around, > there aload of people who do not no what that is. so i have people hang up > on me all the time. so if i do not have to call them, and i can just go in > to the store, that would be great. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 22:30, christopher nusbaum > wrote: > >> I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get >> at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and >> turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our >> local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. >> He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to >> do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT >> wrote: >> >>> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch >>> and >>> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how >>> to >>> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >>> moble? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie >>> Trist >>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >>> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >>> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >>> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >>> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >>> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >>> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: christopher nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >>> probably >>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >>> use the >>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>> wrote: >>> >>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >>> with the >>> touch screen? >>> Patrick >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >>> here >>> should know more. >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >>> button >>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >>> you >>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >>> who >>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >>> turn on >>> speach >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >>> wrote: >>> >>> Joshua, >>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >>> very >>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >>> touchscreen. >>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >>> shouldn't. >>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >>> to the >>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >>> annoying. >>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >>> say, >>> don't say anything at all. >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >>> advanced >>> phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>> use a touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>> I-phone for about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>> the start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >>> just >>> take time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>> myself going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>> actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>> Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>> playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>> I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:48:55 -0400 > From: Lavonya Gardner > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <3B315A09-C314-4D7D-9FCC-06C38C1A2AD3 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > i am still working with the touch screen. i use the blue tooth keyboard to > do most of my work. but i do use the touch screen to type as well. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 21:22, "Rania Ismail LMT" > wrote: > >> How long did it take you to get used to the touch screene on either the >> Iphone or Ipod? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >> nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I know! At the Buddy program at LCB this year, all the counselors >> except 1 had iPhones. I had been wanting one for a while, and when I >> saw all they could do, I was really jealous, and now I have one! :) By >> the way, Sophie, do you remember Emilie West from last year's Buddy >> Program? She was back this year, and remembers you. She is still known >> around LCB as the Prosecuter, and she picked on Mr. G this year as >> much as she did last year. :) Feel free to write me off-list; I know >> I'm getting off-topic. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Sophie Trist >> wrote: >> >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor >>> bugs >> than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole >> touch >> screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient >> everyone >> was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >> advanced phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer use a >>> touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the I-phone for >> about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at the >>> start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just take >> time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see myself >> going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:45:17 -0500 > From: Gerardo Corripio > To: BlindStudents mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Weird problem between Akapela voices and RbClip > Message-ID: <507A273D.6080800 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > HI guys: Anyone of you use RbClip or Voicevox to prepare files so when > they get loaded on the Rockbox player (I've got the Sansa Clip Plus > model with Rockbox), they read out the file names normally in stead of > spelling them? OK yesterday I put as default Akapela Heather on my > Windows7 pc; when I went to use RbClip or Voicevox to name the files, it > didn't work! In RbClip it got to Processing and nothing happened, except > an Interrupt button. What's even more weird is I went to Control Panel > and rechanged the default voice back to Microsoft Ana, and everything > back to normal! > So my question is would I have to everytime I want to name files, go > back to Control Panel and rechange the Ana voice? Any ideas appreciated. > Gerardo > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:57:53 -0300 > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <762874A23FC84115B7B0EC091F3F71E1 at userPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they > don't know how to turn it on > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher > nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get > at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and > turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our > local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. > He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to > do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT > wrote: > >> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and >> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how >> to >> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >> moble? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >> probably >> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >> use the >> dictate feature or Siri, though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >> wrote: >> >> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >> with the >> touch screen? >> Patrick >> >> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >> here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >> button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >> you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >> who >> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >> turn on >> speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >> wrote: >> >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >> very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >> touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >> shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >> to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >> annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >> say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >> advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >> just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:28:44 -0500 > From: Gerardo Corripio > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <402868EA-3ACB-4724-9FD2-652BB3C4847D at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the Iusacel store > with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like to think, to > know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. Good luck! > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" > escribi?: > >> Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they >> don't know how to turn it on >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >> nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get >> at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and >> turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our >> local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. >> He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to >> do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT >> wrote: >> >>> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch >>> and >>> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how >>> to >>> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >>> moble? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie >>> Trist >>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >>> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >>> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >>> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >>> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >>> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >>> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: christopher nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >>> probably >>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >>> use the >>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>> wrote: >>> >>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >>> with the >>> touch screen? >>> Patrick >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >>> here >>> should know more. >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >>> button >>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >>> you >>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >>> who >>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >>> turn on >>> speach >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >>> wrote: >>> >>> Joshua, >>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >>> very >>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >>> touchscreen. >>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >>> shouldn't. >>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >>> to the >>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >>> annoying. >>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >>> say, >>> don't say anything at all. >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >>> advanced >>> phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>> use a touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>> I-phone for about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>> the start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >>> just >>> take time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>> myself going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>> actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>> Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>> playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>> I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:44:23 -0500 > From: Sophie Trist > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <507a3518.3445b60a.5f7c.4606 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Rania, there is no need to waste money on an iPhone and an iPod > touch. If I were you, I would simply buy the iPhone, because it > has all the capabilities of an iPod touch, plus a few more > things. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:21:22 -0300 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod > touch and > Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who > knows how to > tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work > with Team > moble? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Sophie Trist > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a > hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my > phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I > can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like > many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen > threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith > was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is > probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually > use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy > wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting > with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else > here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home > button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work > you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone > who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to > turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact > very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a > touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people > shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help > to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very > annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to > say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things > just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:30:10 -0400 > From: Greg Aikens > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? > Message-ID: <1A3A9D31-4463-4817-95BF-28CFAA02DEAD at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Brandon, > Does the area you are going to have cab companies? This is generally what I > end up using. It isn't cheap, but the few times I have price compared > between the cabs and local car services, the cab service was cheaper. I > guess that all depends on the length of your trip etc. and whether or not it > is worth it to possibly pay more for a more reliable service. For longer > trips, the car service may have the better price. If you schedule rides > ahead of time and plan to arrive early, the cab option really isn't too > unreliable though, in my experience. > > I hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. > > -Greg > On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:30 PM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" > wrote: > >> Hello, >> I'm wondering if anyone has any driver's contracts or has any personal >> stories with using Car Services? I'm starting to plan for when I go to a >> new town for a 3 week stay and need super reliable daily transportation to >> a place and I won't have any kind of Public transit. >> Thank you, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:36:50 -0400 > From: Lavonya Gardner > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > ronnia, > i plan to get the iphone. my friend has 1 and loves it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:44, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> Rania, there is no need to waste money on an iPhone and an iPod touch. If >> I were you, I would simply buy the iPhone, because it has all the >> capabilities of an iPod touch, plus a few more things. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rania Ismail LMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:21:22 -0300 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and >> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how >> to >> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >> moble? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >> probably >> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >> use the >> dictate feature or Siri, though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >> wrote: >> >> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >> with the >> touch screen? >> Patrick >> >> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >> here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >> button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >> you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >> who >> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >> turn on >> speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel > wrote: >> >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >> very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >> touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >> shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >> to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >> annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >> say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >> advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >> just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 >> %40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:40:42 -0400 > From: Lavonya Gardner > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <78D88DA4-08EB-4976-95DC-33AE255125B2 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > the people at the apple are so thural, tha they will even email you > instructions, if u need it, and or let you record them, as they do whatever > u are asking them to do. my info is emailed to me. freel free to email me > off list if you want. this goes for the hole list > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:28, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > >> I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the Iusacel >> store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like to >> think, to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. >> Good luck! >> >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >> El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" >> escribi?: >> >>> Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they >>> don't know how to turn it on >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >>> nusbaum >>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get >>> at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and >>> turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our >>> local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. >>> He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to >>> do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch >>>> and >>>> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how >>>> to >>>> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >>>> moble? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie >>>> Trist >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >>>> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >>>> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >>>> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >>>> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >>>> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >>>> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: christopher nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >>>> probably >>>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >>>> use the >>>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >>>> with the >>>> touch screen? >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >>>> here >>>> should know more. >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >>>> button >>>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >>>> you >>>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >>>> who >>>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >>>> turn on >>>> speach >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Joshua, >>>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >>>> very >>>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >>>> touchscreen. >>>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >>>> shouldn't. >>>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >>>> to the >>>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >>>> annoying. >>>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >>>> say, >>>> don't say anything at all. >>>> ~Jewel >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >>>> advanced >>>> phone out there. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gloria G" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>> use a touch >>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>> I-phone for about >>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>> the start, >>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >>>> just >>>> take time. >>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>> myself going >>>> to anything else. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> >>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>> actual >>>> buttons. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>> Trist >>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>> To: nabs >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>> playing >>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>> I >>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>> Apple. >>>> All the best, >>>> Sophie Trist >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>> m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>> r%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:15:42 -0400 > From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <-6140958806404072648 at unknownmsgid> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I agree. I would either just get an iPhone or get an iTouch and > traditional feature phone that only makes calls and sends the text. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Sophie Trist > wrote: > >> Rania, there is no need to waste money on an iPhone and an iPod touch. If >> I were you, I would simply buy the iPhone, because it has all the >> capabilities of an iPod touch, plus a few more things. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rania Ismail LMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:21:22 -0300 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch and >> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how >> to >> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >> moble? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >> probably >> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >> use the >> dictate feature or Siri, though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >> wrote: >> >> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >> with the >> touch screen? >> Patrick >> >> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >> here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >> button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >> you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >> who >> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >> turn on >> speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel > wrote: >> >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >> very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >> touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >> shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >> to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >> annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >> say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >> advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >> just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 >> %40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:18:15 -0400 > From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <-6186156645286335169 at unknownmsgid> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > They should know how to do it, but I would write the instructions down > and save them just in case. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Rania Ismail LMT > wrote: > >> Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they >> don't know how to turn it on >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >> nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get >> at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and >> turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our >> local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. >> He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to >> do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT >> wrote: >> >>> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch >>> and >>> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how >>> to >>> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >>> moble? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie >>> Trist >>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >>> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >>> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >>> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >>> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >>> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >>> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: christopher nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >>> probably >>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >>> use the >>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>> wrote: >>> >>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >>> with the >>> touch screen? >>> Patrick >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >>> here >>> should know more. >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >>> button >>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >>> you >>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >>> who >>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >>> turn on >>> speach >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >>> wrote: >>> >>> Joshua, >>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >>> very >>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >>> touchscreen. >>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >>> shouldn't. >>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >>> to the >>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >>> annoying. >>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >>> say, >>> don't say anything at all. >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >>> advanced >>> phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>> use a touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>> I-phone for about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>> the start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >>> just >>> take time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>> myself going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>> actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>> Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>> playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>> I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:18:13 -0300 > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Oh wow! So they can email me instructions on how to download aps and things > to help me get used to the Iphone? > That's pretty cool! > Thanks for letting me know! > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya > Gardner > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:41 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > the people at the apple are so thural, tha they will even email you > instructions, if u need it, and or let you record them, as they do whatever > u are asking them to do. my info is emailed to me. freel free to email me > off list if you want. this goes for the hole list > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:28, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > >> I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the Iusacel > store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like to think, > to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. Good luck! >> >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >> El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" > escribi?: >> >>> Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they >>> don't know how to turn it on >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >>> nusbaum >>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get >>> at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and >>> turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our >>> local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. >>> He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to >>> do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch > and >>>> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how > to >>>> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >>>> moble? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie > Trist >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >>>> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >>>> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >>>> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >>>> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >>>> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >>>> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: christopher nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >>>> probably >>>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >>>> use the >>>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >>>> with the >>>> touch screen? >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >>>> here >>>> should know more. >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >>>> button >>>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >>>> you >>>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >>>> who >>>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >>>> turn on >>>> speach >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Joshua, >>>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >>>> very >>>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >>>> touchscreen. >>>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >>>> shouldn't. >>>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >>>> to the >>>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >>>> annoying. >>>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >>>> say, >>>> don't say anything at all. >>>> ~Jewel >>>> >>>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >>>> advanced >>>> phone out there. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gloria G" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>> use a touch >>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>> I-phone for about >>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>> the start, >>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >>>> just >>>> take time. >>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>> myself going >>>> to anything else. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> >>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>> actual >>>> buttons. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>> Trist >>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>> To: nabs >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>> playing >>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>> I >>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>> Apple. >>>> All the best, >>>> Sophie Trist >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>> m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>> r%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.co > m > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:19:38 -0300 > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thank you. I plan on getting one or the other. I don't need both. I am > going > to look at both and figure out what I want or need more. > > Thanks for your suggestion! > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:44 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Rania, there is no need to waste money on an iPhone and an iPod > touch. If I were you, I would simply buy the iPhone, because it > has all the capabilities of an iPod touch, plus a few more > things. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:21:22 -0300 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod > touch and > Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who > knows how to > tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work > with Team > moble? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Sophie Trist > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a > hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my > phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I > can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like > many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen > threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith > was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is > probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually > use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy > wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting > with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else > here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home > button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work > you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone > who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to > turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact > very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a > touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people > shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help > to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very > annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to > say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things > just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:33:41 -0500 > From: Sophie Trist > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <507adb57.c9043c0a.644a.ffffd88a at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > I didn't know about the email thing, but it sounds like a really > good service to use if you're that kind of person. However, I > tend to learn better by actually doing stuff with the device. I > found the iPhone very user friendly. I needed minimal help to get > started. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:18:13 -0300 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Oh wow! So they can email me instructions on how to download aps > and things > to help me get used to the Iphone? > That's pretty cool! > Thanks for letting me know! > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:41 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > the people at the apple are so thural, tha they will even email > you > instructions, if u need it, and or let you record them, as they > do whatever > u are asking them to do. my info is emailed to me. freel free to > email me > off list if you want. this goes for the hole list > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:28, Gerardo Corripio > wrote: > > I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the > Iusacel > store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like > to think, > to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. > Good luck! > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" > escribi?: > > Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in > case they > don't know how to turn it on > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > christopher > nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person > you get > at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, > and > turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at > our > local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on > for me. > He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was > able to > do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good > luck! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT > wrote: > > I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod > touch > and > Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who > knows how > to > tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work > with Team > moble? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Sophie > Trist > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a > hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my > phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I > can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like > many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen > threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith > was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is > probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually > use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy > wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting > with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else > here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home > button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work > you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone > who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to > turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact > very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a > touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people > shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help > to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very > annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to > say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things > just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gm > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416 > %40gmail.co > m > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 08:49:55 -0700 > From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? > Message-ID: <6DED9FDDBC1442E985085164E3CB6E3A at BrandonsLaptop2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello, > The difficulty is with the payment. If I'm in another country especially I'd > > be a little phreaked out with a cab situation. Is a cab like an outreach > where you have to call them the day before to schedule like 2 or 3 rides, or > > how does that work? I've never tried using cabs for more than a ride or > two. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Aikens > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? > > Hi Brandon, > Does the area you are going to have cab companies? This is generally what I > > end up using. It isn't cheap, but the few times I have price compared > between the cabs and local car services, the cab service was cheaper. I > guess that all depends on the length of your trip etc. and whether or not it > > is worth it to possibly pay more for a more reliable service. For longer > trips, the car service may have the better price. If you schedule rides > ahead of time and plan to arrive early, the cab option really isn't too > unreliable though, in my experience. > > I hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. > > -Greg > On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:30 PM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" > wrote: > >> Hello, >> I'm wondering if anyone has any driver's contracts or has any personal >> stories with using Car Services? I'm starting to plan for when I go to a >> new town for a 3 week stay and need super reliable daily transportation to >> >> a place and I won't have any kind of Public transit. >> Thank you, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:14:34 -0500 > From: David Andrews > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Subscription > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > The link to subscribe is: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > Dave > > At 03:32 PM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>Would someone email me the subscription link for this list? >> >>Have a great Saturday! >>Ashley Coleman > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:29:45 -0600 > From: Arielle Silverman > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > You can schedule one ride in advance with most cab companies, but what > might be better is to call a cab the first day, then if you like the > driver you get, ask them if they regularly work during that time and > you could get that driver's phone number and make an arrangement for > them to drive you to and from your destination every day for a certain > price that you negotiate with them. If you're in the United States, > you can also go on Craigslist for the town you'll be in and post a job > ad for a driver there. > Arielle > > On 10/14/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> The difficulty is with the payment. If I'm in another country especially >> I'd >> >> be a little phreaked out with a cab situation. Is a cab like an outreach >> where you have to call them the day before to schedule like 2 or 3 rides, >> or >> >> how does that work? I've never tried using cabs for more than a ride or >> two. >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg Aikens >> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:30 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? >> >> Hi Brandon, >> Does the area you are going to have cab companies? This is generally what >> I >> >> end up using. It isn't cheap, but the few times I have price compared >> between the cabs and local car services, the cab service was cheaper. I >> guess that all depends on the length of your trip etc. and whether or not >> it >> >> is worth it to possibly pay more for a more reliable service. For longer >> trips, the car service may have the better price. If you schedule rides >> ahead of time and plan to arrive early, the cab option really isn't too >> unreliable though, in my experience. >> >> I hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. >> >> -Greg >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:30 PM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I'm wondering if anyone has any driver's contracts or has any personal >>> stories with using Car Services? I'm starting to plan for when I go to a >>> new town for a 3 week stay and need super reliable daily transportation >>> to >>> >>> a place and I won't have any kind of Public transit. >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:38:09 -0300 > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <3C7AD61857204B479C28691B31DE585D at userPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Ok thank you! > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher > nusbaum > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 11:18 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > They should know how to do it, but I would write the instructions down > and save them just in case. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Rania Ismail LMT > wrote: > >> Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they >> don't know how to turn it on >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >> nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get >> at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and >> turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our >> local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. >> He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to >> do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT >> wrote: >> >>> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch >>> and >>> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how > to >>> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >>> moble? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie >>> Trist >>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >>> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >>> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >>> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >>> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >>> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >>> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: christopher nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >>> probably >>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >>> use the >>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>> wrote: >>> >>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >>> with the >>> touch screen? >>> Patrick >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >>> here >>> should know more. >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >>> button >>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >>> you >>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >>> who >>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >>> turn on >>> speach >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >>> wrote: >>> >>> Joshua, >>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >>> very >>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >>> touchscreen. >>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >>> shouldn't. >>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >>> to the >>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >>> annoying. >>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >>> say, >>> don't say anything at all. >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >>> advanced >>> phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>> use a touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>> I-phone for about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>> the start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >>> just >>> take time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>> myself going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>> actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>> Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>> playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>> I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:47:32 -0400 > From: Lavonya Gardner > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > they even drew pictures for me somehow. But remember, I am not > just blind. So I have to deal with both, and this means I have to use > braille, large print, and use screen readers. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:33, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> I didn't know about the email thing, but it sounds like a really good >> service to use if you're that kind of person. However, I tend to learn >> better by actually doing stuff with the device. I found the iPhone very >> user friendly. I needed minimal help to get started. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rania Ismail LMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:18:13 -0300 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Oh wow! So they can email me instructions on how to download aps and >> things >> to help me get used to the Iphone? >> That's pretty cool! >> Thanks for letting me know! >> Rania, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya >> Gardner >> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:41 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> the people at the apple are so thural, tha they will even email you >> instructions, if u need it, and or let you record them, as they do >> whatever >> u are asking them to do. my info is emailed to me. freel free to email me >> off list if you want. this goes for the hole list >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:28, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >> >> I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the Iusacel >> store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like to >> think, >> to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. Good >> luck! >> >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >> El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" > escribi?: >> >> Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case they >> don't know how to turn it on >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >> nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get >> at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and >> turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our >> local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. >> He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to >> do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT > wrote: >> >> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch >> and >> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows how >> to >> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with Team >> moble? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie >> Trist >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >> probably >> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >> use the >> dictate feature or Siri, though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >> wrote: >> >> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >> with the >> touch screen? >> Patrick >> >> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >> here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >> button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >> you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >> who >> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >> turn on >> speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel > wrote: >> >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >> very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >> touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >> shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >> to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >> annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >> say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >> advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >> just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >> I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 >> %40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.c >> om >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 >> %40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gm >> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416 >> %40gmail.co >> m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 >> %40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:49:13 -0400 > From: Lavonya Gardner > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <6F36E50A-E89A-46BD-AC0B-EF8E025302BC at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > no problem. i like to help people when i can. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:18, "Rania Ismail LMT" > wrote: > >> Oh wow! So they can email me instructions on how to download aps and >> things >> to help me get used to the Iphone? >> That's pretty cool! >> Thanks for letting me know! >> Rania, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavonya >> Gardner >> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:41 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> the people at the apple are so thural, tha they will even email you >> instructions, if u need it, and or let you record them, as they do >> whatever >> u are asking them to do. my info is emailed to me. freel free to email me >> off list if you want. this goes for the hole list >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:28, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >> >>> I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the Iusacel >> store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like to >> think, >> to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. Good >> luck! >>> >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone >>> >>> El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" >> escribi?: >>> >>>> Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in case >>>> they >>>> don't know how to turn it on >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>> christopher >>>> nusbaum >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person you get >>>> at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, and >>>> turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at our >>>> local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on for me. >>>> He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was able to >>>> do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good luck! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod touch >> and >>>>> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who knows >>>>> how >> to >>>>> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work with >>>>> Team >>>>> moble? >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie >> Trist >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >>>>> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >>>>> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >>>>> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >>>>> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >>>>> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >>>>> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: christopher nusbaum >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >>>>> probably >>>>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >>>>> use the >>>>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >>>>> with the >>>>> touch screen? >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >>>>> here >>>>> should know more. >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>>>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >>>>> button >>>>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >>>>> you >>>>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>>>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>>>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >>>>> who >>>>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >>>>> turn on >>>>> speach >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Joshua, >>>>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >>>>> very >>>>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >>>>> touchscreen. >>>>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >>>>> shouldn't. >>>>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >>>>> to the >>>>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >>>>> annoying. >>>>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >>>>> say, >>>>> don't say anything at all. >>>>> ~Jewel >>>>> >>>>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>>>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>>>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>>>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>>>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >>>>> advanced >>>>> phone out there. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>>>> use a touch >>>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>>>> I-phone for about >>>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>>>> the start, >>>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >>>>> just >>>>> take time. >>>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>>>> myself going >>>>> to anything else. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>>>> actual >>>>> buttons. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>>>> Trist >>>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>>> To: nabs >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>>> >>>>> Dear List: >>>>> >>>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>>>> playing >>>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>>>> I >>>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>>> Apple. >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Sophie Trist >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>>>> mail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>>>> 40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>> m%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>>> r%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.co >> m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:49:04 -0300 > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <0CC4041D418E4A4A90D611E7A8B43D6F at userPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am the kind of person ware I need both. I need to be walked threw how to > use something like that while using it at the same time. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I didn't know about the email thing, but it sounds like a really > good service to use if you're that kind of person. However, I > tend to learn better by actually doing stuff with the device. I > found the iPhone very user friendly. I needed minimal help to get > started. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:18:13 -0300 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Oh wow! So they can email me instructions on how to download aps > and things > to help me get used to the Iphone? > That's pretty cool! > Thanks for letting me know! > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Lavonya Gardner > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:41 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > the people at the apple are so thural, tha they will even email > you > instructions, if u need it, and or let you record them, as they > do whatever > u are asking them to do. my info is emailed to me. freel free to > email me > off list if you want. this goes for the hole list > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:28, Gerardo Corripio > wrote: > > I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the > Iusacel > store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like > to think, > to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. > Good luck! > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" > escribi?: > > Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in > case they > don't know how to turn it on > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > christopher > nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person > you get > at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, > and > turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at > our > local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on > for me. > He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was > able to > do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good > luck! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT > wrote: > > I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod > touch > and > Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who > knows how > to > tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work > with Team > moble? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Sophie > Trist > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a > hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my > phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I > can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like > many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen > threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith > was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is > probably > because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually > use the > dictate feature or Siri, though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy > wrote: > > Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting > with the > touch screen? > Patrick > > On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else > here > should know more. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: > If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home > button > 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work > you > will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, > general, VoiceOver I think. > > Dave > > At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: > speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone > who > just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to > turn on > speach > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: > > Joshua, > Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact > very > rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a > touchscreen. > Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people > shouldn't. > You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help > to the > person asking the question and personally, I find it very > annoying. > Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to > say, > don't say anything at all. > ~Jewel > > On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: > Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of > minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was > resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to > camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I > decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced > phone out there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Hi, > I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer > use a touch > screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the > I-phone for about > two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at > the start, > but with some practice I am having no problems. These things > just > take time. > I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see > myself going > to anything else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > > That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. > I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has > actual > buttons. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie > Trist > [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > Dear List: > > It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird > problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap > the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts > playing > music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't > answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and > I > would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call > Apple. > All the best, > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gm > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416 > %40gmail.co > m > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:56:48 -0700 > From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello, > Cab drivers are negotiable? I thought their company was a fixed rate? Or > were you meaning with tips and whatnot? Also, when Cabs come, do they yell > at you to let you know they are there? Because There is no way I'm going to > > know a car in front of me is a cab for me unless they say something. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:29 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? > > You can schedule one ride in advance with most cab companies, but what > might be better is to call a cab the first day, then if you like the > driver you get, ask them if they regularly work during that time and > you could get that driver's phone number and make an arrangement for > them to drive you to and from your destination every day for a certain > price that you negotiate with them. If you're in the United States, > you can also go on Craigslist for the town you'll be in and post a job > ad for a driver there. > Arielle > > On 10/14/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> The difficulty is with the payment. If I'm in another country especially >> I'd >> >> be a little phreaked out with a cab situation. Is a cab like an outreach >> where you have to call them the day before to schedule like 2 or 3 rides, >> >> or >> >> how does that work? I've never tried using cabs for more than a ride or >> two. >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg Aikens >> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:30 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? >> >> Hi Brandon, >> Does the area you are going to have cab companies? This is generally what >> >> I >> >> end up using. It isn't cheap, but the few times I have price compared >> between the cabs and local car services, the cab service was cheaper. I >> guess that all depends on the length of your trip etc. and whether or not >> >> it >> >> is worth it to possibly pay more for a more reliable service. For longer >> trips, the car service may have the better price. If you schedule rides >> ahead of time and plan to arrive early, the cab option really isn't too >> unreliable though, in my experience. >> >> I hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. >> >> -Greg >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:30 PM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I'm wondering if anyone has any driver's contracts or has any personal >>> stories with using Car Services? I'm starting to plan for when I go to a >>> new town for a 3 week stay and need super reliable daily transportation >>> to >>> >>> a place and I won't have any kind of Public transit. >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:04:50 -0400 > From: Lavonya Gardner > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > Message-ID: <3650D058-3858-4220-AE29-D638B8572184 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > i was aloud to use a mac to communicate with them as we worked, then emailed > everthing wth words and pictures. so i got the best of all worlds. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:49, "Rania Ismail LMT" > wrote: > >> I am the kind of person ware I need both. I need to be walked threw how >> to >> use something like that while using it at the same time. >> Rania, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist >> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:34 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I didn't know about the email thing, but it sounds like a really >> good service to use if you're that kind of person. However, I >> tend to learn better by actually doing stuff with the device. I >> found the iPhone very user friendly. I needed minimal help to get >> started. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rania Ismail LMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:18:13 -0300 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Oh wow! So they can email me instructions on how to download aps >> and things >> to help me get used to the Iphone? >> That's pretty cool! >> Thanks for letting me know! >> Rania, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Lavonya Gardner >> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:41 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> the people at the apple are so thural, tha they will even email >> you >> instructions, if u need it, and or let you record them, as they >> do whatever >> u are asking them to do. my info is emailed to me. freel free to >> email me >> off list if you want. this goes for the hole list >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 23:28, Gerardo Corripio >> wrote: >> >> I had the same positive experience of being able to leave the >> Iusacel >> store with the IPhone speaking. It's very important, I would like >> to think, >> to know hese steps; I went as far as to record and Braille hem. >> Good luck! >> >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >> El 13/10/2012, a las 20:57, "Rania Ismail LMT" >> > escribi?: >> >> Thank you. Hopeing I remember how to get to voice over just in >> case they >> don't know how to turn it on >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> christopher >> nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't think you will need to call ahead. Just ask the person >> you get >> at the Apple store to go into settings, general, accessibility, >> and >> turn voiceover on. I didn't call ahead when I got my iPhone at >> our >> local Verizon store. I just asked the guy to turn voiceover on >> for me. >> He didn't know how to do it but once I showed him how he was >> able to >> do it easily. It's pretty easy to get to. Hope this helps! Good >> luck! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Rania Ismail LMT >> > wrote: >> >> I might be going to an apple store this week to look at an Ipod >> touch >> and >> Iphone. Do you need to call ahead of time? I want someone who >> knows how >> to >> tern voice over so I can play with both. Will the Iphone work >> with Team >> moble? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Sophie >> Trist >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:12 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a >> hard time understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my >> phone--I do that with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I >> can type on the touch screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like >> many, I was reluctant to get an iPhone because the touch screen >> threw me off. But now, I believe that taking that leap of faith >> was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: christopher nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is >> probably >> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually >> use the >> dictate feature or Siri, though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >> wrote: >> >> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting >> with the >> touch screen? >> Patrick >> >> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else >> here >> should know more. >> Arielle >> >> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home >> button >> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work >> you >> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >> general, VoiceOver I think. >> >> Dave >> >> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone >> who >> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to >> turn on >> speach >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel > wrote: >> >> Joshua, >> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact >> very >> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a >> touchscreen. >> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people >> shouldn't. >> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help >> to the >> person asking the question and personally, I find it very >> annoying. >> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to >> say, >> don't say anything at all. >> ~Jewel >> >> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >> advanced >> phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >> use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >> I-phone for about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >> the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things >> just >> take time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >> myself going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >> actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >> Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >> playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. 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(vejas) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:57:30 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] ACT SAT testing logistics Message-ID: <507b192d.c6bee00a.4d85.7269@mx.google.com> Hi All, I took the PLAN (Pre-SAT) yesterday & am taking the PSAT on Wednesday. I'm the first braille-using student in our district to take these tests. I would like to know about your experiences taking the ACT and SAT and their pretests. 1. First, I wanted to know if you had any trouble with graphics or diagrams. When I took the pre ACT yesterday, I had a bar graph in which the bars were all very short and exactly the same size, and I had another graph which was not clearly labelled. 2. Next, I'd like to know who proctored your test. Did you have a VI teacher or a member of the school staff do it? 3. How involved was your VI teacher in getting materials for you? For the PLAN I only got a print copy of pretest materials. 4. How much clarification could the proctor give? I had been specifically told that I can't ask the proctor for any clarifications, but it seemed like for some of the graphics, not all the information was there or presented properly in the braille version. Thank you so much. Vejas From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 20:20:58 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:20:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? In-Reply-To: References: <6484FCE4C560449597DDE3E003995EE2@BrandonsLaptop2> <1A3A9D31-4463-4817-95BF-28CFAA02DEAD@gmail.com> <6DED9FDDBC1442E985085164E3CB6E3A@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: It depends on the company, but many allow their drivers to be independent contractors, meaning they can do business with individual customers directly without having to go through the dispatching system. That means the driver can negotiate a regular rate with you and you can call the driver directly to schedule rides. If you are being picked up at a house, hotel, etc. you can ask that the cab driver come up to the door or call you to let you know they are there. If catching a cab on the street or in front of a business, I usually wait until a car stops in front of me, then wait for them to yell that they're a taxi, but if they don't, I'll come up and just ask if it's a cab. You can also tell the driver or dispatcher on the phone that you are blind and need to be sure the driver identifies him or herself. Arielle On 10/14/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > Cab drivers are negotiable? I thought their company was a fixed rate? Or > were you meaning with tips and whatnot? Also, when Cabs come, do they yell > at you to let you know they are there? Because There is no way I'm going to > > know a car in front of me is a cab for me unless they say something. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:29 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? > > You can schedule one ride in advance with most cab companies, but what > might be better is to call a cab the first day, then if you like the > driver you get, ask them if they regularly work during that time and > you could get that driver's phone number and make an arrangement for > them to drive you to and from your destination every day for a certain > price that you negotiate with them. If you're in the United States, > you can also go on Craigslist for the town you'll be in and post a job > ad for a driver there. > Arielle > > On 10/14/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> The difficulty is with the payment. If I'm in another country especially >> I'd >> >> be a little phreaked out with a cab situation. Is a cab like an outreach >> where you have to call them the day before to schedule like 2 or 3 rides, >> >> or >> >> how does that work? I've never tried using cabs for more than a ride or >> two. >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg Aikens >> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:30 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? >> >> Hi Brandon, >> Does the area you are going to have cab companies? This is generally what >> >> I >> >> end up using. It isn't cheap, but the few times I have price compared >> between the cabs and local car services, the cab service was cheaper. I >> guess that all depends on the length of your trip etc. and whether or not >> >> it >> >> is worth it to possibly pay more for a more reliable service. For longer >> trips, the car service may have the better price. If you schedule rides >> ahead of time and plan to arrive early, the cab option really isn't too >> unreliable though, in my experience. >> >> I hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. >> >> -Greg >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:30 PM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I'm wondering if anyone has any driver's contracts or has any personal >>> stories with using Car Services? I'm starting to plan for when I go to a >>> new town for a 3 week stay and need super reliable daily transportation >>> to >>> >>> a place and I won't have any kind of Public transit. >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From amieelsabo at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 20:47:55 2012 From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:47:55 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014001cdaa4d$301f1700$905d4500$@gmail.com> Hello koby, What a predicament that you are in! I can understand on your circumstances but, you are an adult and, your mom doesn't have control over your account. I have had this problem myself even though I'm adult too but, I have control on my bank account and, so should do you too! Try to keep track online or through the bank's phone which I did before I went to a bank where I can use their online system. Those my thoughts on this topic. Take care and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Koby Cox Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:25 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all Hello all, This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw that I was overdrawn. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? Right back soon, Koby. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 20:58:02 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 15:58:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all References: <014001cdaa4d$301f1700$905d4500$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6B797B38048B4C3C86BBE54728E7481C@Gloria> Hi, I am so sorry to hear you are going through this. I went through the same thing until I was almost twenty years old when I gained control of my own account. My parents before that took my money and used it for what they wanted and I never knew how much money I had in my account or how much money was deposited each month. It is very frestrating but I to got the message if you don't like then you can leave, and a few times I was put out of my house just because I wanted some independence. I was a young person that wanted to learn how to navigate my life. At 19 I had to learn a lot of things in a hurry. I didn't know anything about a checking account or how they work. I wonder if this happens to a lot of blind people. It is a shame but in many cases we have no choice. Take care! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question for you all > Hello koby, > > What a predicament that you are in! I can understand on your circumstances > but, you are an adult and, your mom doesn't have control over your > account. > > I have had this problem myself even though I'm adult too but, I have > control > on my bank account and, so should do you too! Try to keep track online or > through the bank's phone which I did before I went to a bank where I can > use > their online system. > > Those my thoughts on this topic. Take care and, I will talk to you soon. > > > > > Hugs, > amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Koby Cox > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:25 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all > > Hello all, > This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw > that I was overdrawn. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to cover > a > procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what I'm > responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of it. I'm > fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take my bank > card > away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get It back. She > also > informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I talk to her first. > She said that If I don't like her rules then I can pack my stuff and get > out. What do you all think about all of this? > Right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Oct 14 21:26:29 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 17:26:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] presentation about blindness/ vision impairment Message-ID: <26806B175AF84682A6AA76A76F185D1A@OwnerPC> Hi all, I landed an internship in the IT section 508 department of customs and borders. I am presenting about visual impairments. The goals of the presentation are: 1. to give an overview of what vision impairment/low vision/blindness is. 2. To explain how a vision impaired person functions in life including braille and O&M. 3. Overview assistive technology; benefits and limitations. 4. tips for assisting a vi/blind person. Can you point me to resources preferabily online which simulate low vision. For instance central field loss or peripheral field loss. Also, where can I find facts about vision impairment including how many might be visually impaired, the leading causes, and who is most likely to become vision impaired. I’ve already checked some major websites such as American Foundation for the blind, Foundation Fighting Blindness, The American Optemetric association, and www.lowvisionsolutions.com. I have some info already, but felt that I might have some more specifics. Is there a site where you can type something short in braille and it shows you what it would look like? I am pretty sure such a thing exists. Also, what do you suggest for the tips on interaction? So far I have these things: 1. Give verbal directions when asked. 2. Speak in a normal tone and volume 3. Identify yourself when you come in to a room or start talking unless they know you well. 4. Ask if they need assistance and how; they may wish to take your arm called sighted guide. Thanks for any ideas. Ashley From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sun Oct 14 22:19:01 2012 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 17:19:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D43BCD5-B480-4036-9277-EBA0EB987B73@samobile.net> You may want to see about a budgeting class. The class cannot only help you with your current issue, but it can also prepare you for the day when you do move out. I'm not sure what I would do if my mother put me in that situation. Good luck with that one. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 1:24 PM, "Koby Cox" wrote: > Hello all, > This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw > that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to > cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what > I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of > it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take > my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get > It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I > talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can > pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? > Right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From davidb521 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 22:30:19 2012 From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:30:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: <4D43BCD5-B480-4036-9277-EBA0EB987B73@samobile.net> References: <4D43BCD5-B480-4036-9277-EBA0EB987B73@samobile.net> Message-ID: <84FBCA03-D0C1-4027-A88A-B8C12EC66A2C@gmail.com> Hello. First of all, this sounds illegal. I assume that you are over 18, in which case, only you should have access to your bank account, unless you consented to granting her access. If I were in your situation, I would certainly look in to filing some sort of legal action against her for her unacceptable breach of privacy. Your personal financial situation is of course none of my business, but the fact is, she cannot legally dictate to you how you spend your personal money, however responsibly or irresponsibly. The only leverage she has is ultimately determined by you, and I know that that is a harsh statement. I wish you the best of luck. David Bouchard Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Jedi Moerke wrote: > You may want to see about a budgeting class. The class cannot only help you with your current issue, but it can also prepare you for the day when you do move out. I'm not sure what I would do if my mother put me in that situation. Good luck with that one. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 1:24 PM, "Koby Cox" wrote: > >> Hello all, >> This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw >> that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to >> cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what >> I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of >> it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take >> my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get >> It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I >> talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can >> pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sun Oct 14 22:32:04 2012 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 17:32:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: <4D43BCD5-B480-4036-9277-EBA0EB987B73@samobile.net> References: <4D43BCD5-B480-4036-9277-EBA0EB987B73@samobile.net> Message-ID: <3DD5F373-6A14-4FB5-BAB2-93999923EA57@samobile.net> I just had another thought. Bank overdraft do happen. It's a fact of life, especially when you're working with a limited budget. One option is to have your bank an overdraft protection to your card. One form of protection is to have a credit card that Pays for the amount overdrawn as well as the fees that may come up as part of the overdraw. The other option is to have your bank freeze your debit card when your funds get to a certain amount. So for instants, if the amount is it five dollars, you would not be able to use your bank card once you've reached a five dollar marker. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Jedi Moerke wrote: > You may want to see about a budgeting class. The class cannot only help you with your current issue, but it can also prepare you for the day when you do move out. I'm not sure what I would do if my mother put me in that situation. Good luck with that one. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 1:24 PM, "Koby Cox" wrote: > >> Hello all, >> This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw >> that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to >> cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what >> I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of >> it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take >> my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get >> It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I >> talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can >> pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Oct 14 22:43:37 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 17:43:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? In-Reply-To: References: <6484FCE4C560449597DDE3E003995EE2@BrandonsLaptop2> <1A3A9D31-4463-4817-95BF-28CFAA02DEAD@gmail.com> <6DED9FDDBC1442E985085164E3CB6E3A@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: In most cities, cab rates are set by some sort of governing body. Sometimes individual drivers will negotiate, particularly if you pay in cash instead of with a credit card. Drivers are also more likely to negotiate with repeat business, say you get dropped off somewhere, and arrange for the same person to pick you up at a different time. However mostly rates are set and not negotiable in most areas of the country. Some drivers let you know they are there, some don't. It depends on the company, the driver, local custom, etc. Some companies will call your cell phone when they are near. You can also tell the company you are blind, when you make the initial call, and to watch out for a guy with cane or dog etc. This has its own risks, especially if you use a dog, but is one approach. If there are people around you may be able to ask somebody to tell you when a taxi arrives -- but you shouldn't completely count on this. All in all, like with most things, there aren't any one universal approach. Dave At 11:56 AM 10/14/2012, you wrote: > Hello, >Cab drivers are negotiable? I thought their company was a fixed >rate? Or were you meaning with tips and whatnot? Also, when Cabs >come, do they yell at you to let you know they are there? Because >There is no way I'm going to know a car in front of me is a cab for >me unless they say something. >Thanks, From kramc11 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 22:45:16 2012 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:45:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? References: <6484FCE4C560449597DDE3E003995EE2@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <4E936A8194B94DD893E830EBA0C06BAB@ownerf49ceb395> Hi, If you are in one of the major metropolitan cities in the US you should look into a car service called uber. If you think you will use this service, email me off list, and I can send you an invite, that will save you $10 plus some assorted coupons. For more information check out https://www.uber.com/cities# HTH Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:30 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? > Hello, > I'm wondering if anyone has any driver's contracts or has any personal > stories with using Car Services? I'm starting to plan for when I go to a > new town for a 3 week stay and need super reliable daily transportation to > a place and I won't have any kind of Public transit. > Thank you, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 22:46:43 2012 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:46:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? In-Reply-To: <6DED9FDDBC1442E985085164E3CB6E3A@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <6484FCE4C560449597DDE3E003995EE2@BrandonsLaptop2> <1A3A9D31-4463-4817-95BF-28CFAA02DEAD@gmail.com> <6DED9FDDBC1442E985085164E3CB6E3A@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <9DB4A6F1-F415-4C0B-B323-948E3FE6D2B0@gmail.com> Ah, I didn't realize that this new town was in another country… I made extensive use of cabs while studying in Spain. Like everything else about studying abroad, it was challenging at first but I got the hang of it quickly. The ease with which you make use of cabs in another country may depend on your fluency in the native language. You will at least need to know how to clearly say the name of your destination, and understand numbers up to 20 or 30 to understand what the fair is. It would also help to be able to describe a couple of key landmarks near your destination if they have difficulty with the address, but that is above and beyond. As far as payment goes, if you are in a European country, you will find that the euros are far more accessible than our dollars and knowing what you are giving a driver is far easier. What Arielle said about letting them know ahead of time to identify themselves because you cant see them is good advice. Some companies always call when they arrive, but it doesn't hurt to mention it. I also take that opportunity to let them know I will be traveling with my Seeing Eye dog because I have run into some access issues recently with drivers who tried to refuse taking the dog. I just find it easier to be up front from the beginning so that no one can complain I was trying to deceive them etc. Anyway, hope this helps. -Greg On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:49 AM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" wrote: > Hello, > The difficulty is with the payment. If I'm in another country especially I'd be a little phreaked out with a cab situation. Is a cab like an outreach where you have to call them the day before to schedule like 2 or 3 rides, or how does that work? I've never tried using cabs for more than a ride or two. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Drivers? > > Hi Brandon, > Does the area you are going to have cab companies? This is generally what I end up using. It isn't cheap, but the few times I have price compared between the cabs and local car services, the cab service was cheaper. I guess that all depends on the length of your trip etc. and whether or not it is worth it to possibly pay more for a more reliable service. For longer trips, the car service may have the better price. If you schedule rides ahead of time and plan to arrive early, the cab option really isn't too unreliable though, in my experience. > > I hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. > > -Greg > On Oct 13, 2012, at 8:30 PM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" wrote: > >> Hello, >> I'm wondering if anyone has any driver's contracts or has any personal stories with using Car Services? I'm starting to plan for when I go to a new town for a 3 week stay and need super reliable daily transportation to a place and I won't have any kind of Public transit. >> Thank you, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 23:23:32 2012 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:23:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: <84FBCA03-D0C1-4027-A88A-B8C12EC66A2C@gmail.com> References: <4D43BCD5-B480-4036-9277-EBA0EB987B73@samobile.net> <84FBCA03-D0C1-4027-A88A-B8C12EC66A2C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, If his mom co-signed the account, there's no legal action he could take. If he got the account before he turned 18, he would have had to have a parent sign for it, so the only real solution in that predicament would be to close the current account and open a new one. The problem with that suggestion is that I believe you would have to obtain the other person's permission to close the account as well. Both people would have to sign to close the account. I know that's how it works with joint bank accounts for couples. My sister had to go through that with her ex, so I imagine it really wouldn't be any different if it's a parent and child who have a shared account. Of course, opening a second account with a different bank could be an option. On 10/14/12, David wrote: > Hello. First of all, this sounds illegal. I assume that you are over 18, in > which case, only you should have access to your bank account, unless you > consented to granting her access. If I were in your situation, I would > certainly look in to filing some sort of legal action against her for her > unacceptable breach of privacy. Your personal financial situation is of > course none of my business, but the fact is, she cannot legally dictate to > you how you spend your personal money, however responsibly or irresponsibly. > The only leverage she has is ultimately determined by you, and I know that > that is a harsh statement. I wish you the best of luck. > David Bouchard > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Jedi Moerke > wrote: > >> You may want to see about a budgeting class. The class cannot only help >> you with your current issue, but it can also prepare you for the day when >> you do move out. I'm not sure what I would do if my mother put me in that >> situation. Good luck with that one. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 1:24 PM, "Koby Cox" wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw >>> that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to >>> cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what >>> I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of >>> it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take >>> my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get >>> It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I >>> talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can >>> pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? >>> Right back soon, >>> Koby. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From lovestar_07 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 23:42:30 2012 From: lovestar_07 at yahoo.com (Jermesa Lee) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 16:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] You're Invited! Message-ID: <1350258150.80553.YahooMailClassic@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello! Attached is your invitation to the Florida Association of Blind Students Extravaganza!   Join us for a fun filled weekend, where excitement and empowerment is top priority!   Please RSVP/register, as soon as possible, by sending your name, e-mail, and a phone number to nfbfabs at gmail.com.   We look forward in having a grand time!   Thanks God Bless, Jermesa Lee All Things Are Possible Program Inc.,Director Florida Association of Blind Students, President -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Invitation.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 20726 bytes Desc: not available URL: From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sun Oct 14 23:45:29 2012 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:45:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: <84FBCA03-D0C1-4027-A88A-B8C12EC66A2C@gmail.com> References: <4D43BCD5-B480-4036-9277-EBA0EB987B73@samobile.net> <84FBCA03-D0C1-4027-A88A-B8C12EC66A2C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3E069B0F-9601-4E94-BB08-81AE65A00B7F@samobile.net> David is right. There comes a time when our parents control over us Starts from our own willingness to control ourselves. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2012, at 5:30 PM, David wrote: > Hello. First of all, this sounds illegal. I assume that you are over 18, in which case, only you should have access to your bank account, unless you consented to granting her access. If I were in your situation, I would certainly look in to filing some sort of legal action against her for her unacceptable breach of privacy. Your personal financial situation is of course none of my business, but the fact is, she cannot legally dictate to you how you spend your personal money, however responsibly or irresponsibly. The only leverage she has is ultimately determined by you, and I know that that is a harsh statement. I wish you the best of luck. > David Bouchard > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Jedi Moerke wrote: > >> You may want to see about a budgeting class. The class cannot only help you with your current issue, but it can also prepare you for the day when you do move out. I'm not sure what I would do if my mother put me in that situation. Good luck with that one. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 1:24 PM, "Koby Cox" wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and saw >>> that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to >>> cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what >>> I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of >>> it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take >>> my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get >>> It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless I >>> talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can >>> pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? >>> Right back soon, >>> Koby. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 23:51:08 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:51:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <2A3D3FC74BF142C88885BA01C487021C@userPC> References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <-6011228831577812815@unknownmsgid> <2A3D3FC74BF142C88885BA01C487021C@userPC> Message-ID: <-8576205363127979273@unknownmsgid> It probably took me about two weeks to learn the touch screen. It might be different for you though. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: > How long did it take you to get used to the touch screene on either the > Iphone or Ipod? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher > nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem > > I know! At the Buddy program at LCB this year, all the counselors > except 1 had iPhones. I had been wanting one for a while, and when I > saw all they could do, I was really jealous, and now I have one! :) By > the way, Sophie, do you remember Emilie West from last year's Buddy > Program? She was back this year, and remembers you. She is still known > around LCB as the Prosecuter, and she picked on Mr. G this year as > much as she did last year. :) Feel free to write me off-list; I know > I'm getting off-topic. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor bugs > than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole touch > screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone > was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and > advanced phone out there. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Hi, >> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer use a touch >> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the I-phone for > about >> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at the start, >> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just take > time. >> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see myself > going >> to anything else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> >> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has actual >> buttons. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist >> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> Dear List: >> >> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing >> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I >> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >> Apple. >> All the best, >> Sophie Trist >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 23:56:44 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:56:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 Braille wasRe: iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <5079f528.41133c0a.1556.3a19@mx.google.com> <04DB7F8F-6C7A-4967-8E24-3A07D16382DE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4906701110067323686@unknownmsgid> It's an even shorter version of grade too. It's not being used regularly now, but it was used for a while. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Justin Young wrote: > What is Grade 3 Braille? Never heard of that one only thought there > were 2 grades > > On 10/13/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >> I will be getting an iphone as soon as possable. I love my android, but i >> like touch screens better, on top of that, the iphone addresses blindness >> and autusm. I am both blind and autistic. I can see larg print, and read >> braille. I was taught 2 read grades 1, 2, 3, and braille muic. it depends on >> what i am doing, wether or not i use braille, large print or voice. for the >> iphone, i would use voiceover and the zoom feeture. and the auttism apps. >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 19:11, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >>> I don't know if it's my Southern accent or what, but Siri has a hard time >>> understanding me. I rarely send lengthy emails from my phone--I do that >>> with my Apex--but for texts or brief emails, I can type on the touch >>> screen pretty accurately and quickly. Like many, I was reluctant to get an >>> iPhone because the touch screen threw me off. But now, I believe that >>> taking that leap of faith was one of the best decisions I ever made in my >>> life. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: christopher nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:44:59 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Typing on the touch screen isn't too tricky for me, which is probably >>> because it's set up like a standard QWERTY keyboard. I usually use the >>> dictate feature or Siri, though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Molloy >>> wrote: >>> >>> Also on the subject of iPhones, how do people handle texting with the >>> touch screen? >>> Patrick >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> You can but I don't know how to do it with Itunes. Someone else here >>> should know more. >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 10/13/12, David Andrews wrote: >>> If it is a recent iPhone, normally pressing the physical home button >>> 3 times quickly will bring up VoiceOver. If this doesn't work you >>> will probably have to get sighted assistance, under settings, >>> general, VoiceOver I think. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 11:43 AM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>> speaking of iphone problems, does any1 no how i can help someone who >>> just got an iphone, he is totaly blind, and doesn't no how to turn on >>> speach >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:03, Jewel wrote: >>> >>> Joshua, >>> Your comment is of no use to the current topic, and is in fact very >>> rude. Maybe she *gasp* wonder-of-wonders *likes* having a touchscreen. >>> Just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. >>> You have a tendency to make snarky remarks that are of no help to the >>> person asking the question and personally, I find it very annoying. >>> Please stop. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, >>> don't say anything at all. >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 10/13/12, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of >>> minor bugs than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was >>> resistent to the whole touch screen thing, but when I went to >>> camp at LCB and saw how efficient everyone was with them, I >>> decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and advanced >>> phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer >>> use a touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the >>> I-phone for about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at >>> the start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just >>> take time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see >>> myself going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has >>> actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie >>> Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts >>> playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and >>> I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From coastergirl92 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 00:09:56 2012 From: coastergirl92 at gmail.com (Sarah) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 17:09:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] You're Invited! Message-ID: <507b5486.03c5440a.70c7.ffffc844@mx.google.com> you amusement park trips? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jermesa Lee Dear NABS list, If you know any blind students or wanna-be students in Connecticut or from Connecticut, please help us spread the word about the founding meeting of the Connecticut Association of Blind Students! Our flyer is attached. Thank you in advance. Yours in Federationism, Justin Salisbury Justin M. Salisbury B.A. in Mathematics Class of 2012 East Carolina University president at alumni.ecu.edu “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CTABS Formation Flyer 2 Sided.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 21295 bytes Desc: CTABS Formation Flyer 2 Sided.pdf URL: From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 04:39:42 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:39:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] presentation about blindness/ vision impairment In-Reply-To: <26806B175AF84682A6AA76A76F185D1A@OwnerPC> References: <26806B175AF84682A6AA76A76F185D1A@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, Regarding tips for social interaction: When I present about this I always say they should only learn two rules: (1) treat us like you would anyone else, in every way possible except the obvious (i.e. no pointing at things). and (2) if the interaction involves giving assistance, ask the blind person if or how he/she wants to be helped. It really does not need to be any more complicated than just treating us (a) normally and (b) with respect for our preferences. I know it's popular to give six or ten rules, but I think the simpler you can make it for them, the better. Some people get so hung up on making sure they treat us exactly right that they forget about simply acting normally and treating us with respect. Arielle On 10/14/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > I landed an internship in the IT section 508 department > of customs and borders. > > I am presenting about visual impairments. The goals of the presentation are: > 1. to give an overview of what vision impairment/low vision/blindness is. 2. > To explain how a vision impaired person functions in life including braille > and O&M. 3. Overview assistive technology; benefits and limitations. 4. tips > for assisting a vi/blind person. > > Can you point me to resources preferabily online which simulate low vision. > For instance central field loss or peripheral field loss. Also, where can I > find facts about vision impairment including how many might be visually > impaired, the leading causes, and who is most likely to become vision > impaired. > > I’ve already checked some major websites such as American Foundation for the > blind, Foundation Fighting Blindness, The American Optemetric association, > and www.lowvisionsolutions.com. > I have some info already, but felt that I might have some more specifics. > Is there a site where you can type something short in braille and it shows > you what it would look like? I am pretty sure such a thing exists. > > Also, what do you suggest for the tips on interaction? > So far I have these things: > 1. Give verbal directions when asked. > 2. Speak in a normal tone and volume > 3. Identify yourself when you come in to a room or start talking unless they > know you well. > 4. Ask if they need assistance and how; they may wish to take your arm > called sighted guide. > > Thanks for any ideas. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Mon Oct 15 09:40:31 2012 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 04:40:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] presentation about blindness/ vision impairment In-Reply-To: References: <26806B175AF84682A6AA76A76F185D1A@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <92B440BB-D800-4600-A36B-F978E8828FCF@samobile.net> I personally leave out the section on the various types of blindness when I do these types of presentations. I find sometimes that sighted people get too excited about the different types of blindness, and sometimes do so to the extent where that's the first question I will ask the blind person. I personally do not like to be asked what my eye condition is within the first five minutes of meeting someone, and I feel like discussing the different types of blindness an a presentation can increase incidences like these when folks meet each other for the first time. I usually like to fill out that time with context specific information. So if this presentation is for an education group, then I might discuss the education of blind children. If it's for medical professionals, and I might discuss healthcare and blind people and how those two things interact. So, that's kind what I like to do. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:39 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Ashley, > Regarding tips for social interaction: When I present about this I > always say they should only learn two rules: (1) treat us like you > would anyone else, in every way possible except the obvious (i.e. no > pointing at things). and (2) if the interaction involves giving > assistance, ask the blind person if or how he/she wants to be helped. > It really does not need to be any more complicated than just treating > us (a) normally and (b) with respect for our preferences. I know it's > popular to give six or ten rules, but I think the simpler you can make > it for them, the better. Some people get so hung up on making sure > they treat us exactly right that they forget about simply acting > normally and treating us with respect. > Arielle > > On 10/14/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> I landed an internship in the IT section 508 department >> of customs and borders. >> >> I am presenting about visual impairments. The goals of the presentation are: >> 1. to give an overview of what vision impairment/low vision/blindness is. 2. >> To explain how a vision impaired person functions in life including braille >> and O&M. 3. Overview assistive technology; benefits and limitations. 4. tips >> for assisting a vi/blind person. >> >> Can you point me to resources preferabily online which simulate low vision. >> For instance central field loss or peripheral field loss. Also, where can I >> find facts about vision impairment including how many might be visually >> impaired, the leading causes, and who is most likely to become vision >> impaired. >> >> I’ve already checked some major websites such as American Foundation for the >> blind, Foundation Fighting Blindness, The American Optemetric association, >> and www.lowvisionsolutions.com. >> I have some info already, but felt that I might have some more specifics. >> Is there a site where you can type something short in braille and it shows >> you what it would look like? I am pretty sure such a thing exists. >> >> Also, what do you suggest for the tips on interaction? >> So far I have these things: >> 1. Give verbal directions when asked. >> 2. Speak in a normal tone and volume >> 3. Identify yourself when you come in to a room or start talking unless they >> know you well. >> 4. Ask if they need assistance and how; they may wish to take your arm >> called sighted guide. >> >> Thanks for any ideas. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From amc05111 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 17:03:32 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:03:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Subscription In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Arielle; It works! On 10/13/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > Let me know if that works. > Arielle > > On 10/13/12, Ashley Coleman wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Would someone email me the subscription link for this list? >> >> Have a great Saturday! >> Ashley Coleman >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From amc05111 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 17:04:51 2012 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:04:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Subscription In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, thanks! On 10/14/12, David Andrews wrote: > The link to subscribe is: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > Dave > > At 03:32 PM 10/13/2012, you wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>Would someone email me the subscription link for this list? >> >>Have a great Saturday! >>Ashley Coleman > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 17:36:37 2012 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:36:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: <-8576205363127979273@unknownmsgid> References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <-6011228831577812815@unknownmsgid> <2A3D3FC74BF142C88885BA01C487021C@userPC> <-8576205363127979273@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: One thing that might not have been brought up is that if you ask, the people at the Apple store can give you a list of blind-friendly apps to get you started. I'm serious! When I got my iPhone, I asked them what apps they recommended that worked with Voiceover, and they gave me a list that included OMoby, ZaniTouch, Papa Sangre, SayText, and a few others. If they don't know the answer to your question, too, they will research it, so feel free to ask them any question you might have. As for typing, I have found that, despite my southern accent, Syrii has slowly gotten used to my voice. She "learns" my accent, so to the person who Syrii was not working with well, practice makes better! I use three methods for typing on my iPhone: 1. For short messages, I type on the on-screen keyboard. I also usually use this for entering contacts and passwords. 2. For medium-length texts, e-mails, or notes, I use Syrii's voice-recognition, phrase by phrase. 3. For longer e-mails and for Pages (Apple's word processor for the iPhone) to take notes or write journal entries, I use a wireless bluetooth keyboard that rolls up, which I purchased from Brookstone. I use my tactile drawing board (which I carry with me for school, in case there is a picture someone wants to draw for me) as the base that my keyboard sits on, and I attach my phone to the board using the clip-on case that I have (it's a belt-clip). This makes the iPhone like a miniature laptop, which I can then use to write notes in class and send to myself as Word documents, or write journal entries that I keep in my phone. Just my two cents worth, Jewel On 10/14/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: > It probably took me about two weeks to learn the touch screen. It > might be different for you though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Rania Ismail LMT > wrote: > >> How long did it take you to get used to the touch screene on either the >> Iphone or Ipod? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >> nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I know! At the Buddy program at LCB this year, all the counselors >> except 1 had iPhones. I had been wanting one for a while, and when I >> saw all they could do, I was really jealous, and now I have one! :) By >> the way, Sophie, do you remember Emilie West from last year's Buddy >> Program? She was back this year, and remembers you. She is still known >> around LCB as the Prosecuter, and she picked on Mr. G this year as >> much as she did last year. :) Feel free to write me off-list; I know >> I'm getting off-topic. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Sophie Trist >> wrote: >> >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor >>> bugs >> than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole >> touch >> screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient >> everyone >> was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >> advanced phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer use a >>> touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the I-phone for >> about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at the >>> start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just take >> time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see myself >> going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 17:40:16 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:40:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting Message-ID: <507c4abb.0884650a.68d2.0f93@mx.google.com> Hi Koby I have a suggesttion for you. Keep a written record of your expenses and follow your mom's rules. Hope things are better for you in the future. From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 17:51:39 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:51:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com> <-6011228831577812815@unknownmsgid> <2A3D3FC74BF142C88885BA01C487021C@userPC> <-8576205363127979273@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi, Juel, This is Lavonnya. I love your methods. I use the blue tooth keyboard for emails. and my onscreen keybord in the same way u do. i did not no about the drawing board. can you email me off line and tell me more about that. my email is Lgardner1416 at gmail.com. thanks Sent from my iPad On Oct 15, 2012, at 13:36, Jewel wrote: > One thing that might not have been brought up is that if you ask, the > people at the Apple store can give you a list of blind-friendly apps > to get you started. I'm serious! When I got my iPhone, I asked them > what apps they recommended that worked with Voiceover, and they gave > me a list that included OMoby, ZaniTouch, Papa Sangre, SayText, and a > few others. If they don't know the answer to your question, too, they > will research it, so feel free to ask them any question you might > have. > > As for typing, I have found that, despite my southern accent, Syrii > has slowly gotten used to my voice. She "learns" my accent, so to the > person who Syrii was not working with well, practice makes better! > > I use three methods for typing on my iPhone: > 1. For short messages, I type on the on-screen keyboard. I also > usually use this for entering contacts and passwords. > 2. For medium-length texts, e-mails, or notes, I use Syrii's > voice-recognition, phrase by phrase. > 3. For longer e-mails and for Pages (Apple's word processor for the > iPhone) to take notes or write journal entries, I use a wireless > bluetooth keyboard that rolls up, which I purchased from Brookstone. I > use my tactile drawing board (which I carry with me for school, in > case there is a picture someone wants to draw for me) as the base that > my keyboard sits on, and I attach my phone to the board using the > clip-on case that I have (it's a belt-clip). This makes the iPhone > like a miniature laptop, which I can then use to write notes in class > and send to myself as Word documents, or write journal entries that I > keep in my phone. > > Just my two cents worth, > Jewel > > On 10/14/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: >> It probably took me about two weeks to learn the touch screen. It >> might be different for you though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Rania Ismail LMT >> wrote: >> >>> How long did it take you to get used to the touch screene on either the >>> Iphone or Ipod? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >>> nusbaum >>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:33 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> I know! At the Buddy program at LCB this year, all the counselors >>> except 1 had iPhones. I had been wanting one for a while, and when I >>> saw all they could do, I was really jealous, and now I have one! :) By >>> the way, Sophie, do you remember Emilie West from last year's Buddy >>> Program? She was back this year, and remembers you. She is still known >>> around LCB as the Prosecuter, and she picked on Mr. G this year as >>> much as she did last year. :) Feel free to write me off-list; I know >>> I'm getting off-topic. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Sophie Trist >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor >>>> bugs >>> than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole >>> touch >>> screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient >>> everyone >>> was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >>> advanced phone out there. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gloria G" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer use a >>>> touch >>>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the I-phone for >>> about >>>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at the >>>> start, >>>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just take >>> time. >>>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see myself >>> going >>>> to anything else. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> >>>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has actual >>>> buttons. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist >>>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>>> To: nabs >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing >>>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I >>>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>>> Apple. >>>> All the best, >>>> Sophie Trist >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>> r%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 17:16:40 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:16:40 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem In-Reply-To: References: <50798e3f.04d8640a.6b6a.0dfa@mx.google.com><-6011228831577812815@unknownmsgid><2A3D3FC74BF142C88885BA01C487021C@userPC><-8576205363127979273@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Wow that's interesting. Can the same apply to the Ipod touch? Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 2:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem One thing that might not have been brought up is that if you ask, the people at the Apple store can give you a list of blind-friendly apps to get you started. I'm serious! When I got my iPhone, I asked them what apps they recommended that worked with Voiceover, and they gave me a list that included OMoby, ZaniTouch, Papa Sangre, SayText, and a few others. If they don't know the answer to your question, too, they will research it, so feel free to ask them any question you might have. As for typing, I have found that, despite my southern accent, Syrii has slowly gotten used to my voice. She "learns" my accent, so to the person who Syrii was not working with well, practice makes better! I use three methods for typing on my iPhone: 1. For short messages, I type on the on-screen keyboard. I also usually use this for entering contacts and passwords. 2. For medium-length texts, e-mails, or notes, I use Syrii's voice-recognition, phrase by phrase. 3. For longer e-mails and for Pages (Apple's word processor for the iPhone) to take notes or write journal entries, I use a wireless bluetooth keyboard that rolls up, which I purchased from Brookstone. I use my tactile drawing board (which I carry with me for school, in case there is a picture someone wants to draw for me) as the base that my keyboard sits on, and I attach my phone to the board using the clip-on case that I have (it's a belt-clip). This makes the iPhone like a miniature laptop, which I can then use to write notes in class and send to myself as Word documents, or write journal entries that I keep in my phone. Just my two cents worth, Jewel On 10/14/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: > It probably took me about two weeks to learn the touch screen. It > might be different for you though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Rania Ismail LMT > wrote: > >> How long did it take you to get used to the touch screene on either the >> Iphone or Ipod? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >> nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >> >> I know! At the Buddy program at LCB this year, all the counselors >> except 1 had iPhones. I had been wanting one for a while, and when I >> saw all they could do, I was really jealous, and now I have one! :) By >> the way, Sophie, do you remember Emilie West from last year's Buddy >> Program? She was back this year, and remembers you. She is still known >> around LCB as the Prosecuter, and she picked on Mr. G this year as >> much as she did last year. :) Feel free to write me off-list; I know >> I'm getting off-topic. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Sophie Trist >> wrote: >> >>> Gloria, I agree. I would rather use the iPhone with a couple of minor >>> bugs >> than use another kind of phone. Like you, I was resistent to the whole >> touch >> screen thing, but when I went to camp at LCB and saw how efficient >> everyone >> was with them, I decided to get one. It is by far the most accessible and >> advanced phone out there. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Date sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:08:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have to say, I was one of the people who said I would neveer use a >>> touch >>> screen divice, but I am happy to say I have been using the I-phone for >> about >>> two weeks or so and I have never been happier. I was nervous at the >>> start, >>> but with some practice I am having no problems. These things just take >> time. >>> I love my I-phone and everything I can do with it. I do not see myself >> going >>> to anything else. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> >>> That's one reason why I don't like touch screen devices. >>> I'd quit Apple altogether, and get a phone with ATNT, that has actual >>> buttons. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist >>> [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:01 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iphone problem >>> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> It's me Sophie again, and my iPhone has yet another weird >>> problem. If I call someone on my iPhone, whenever I double tap >>> the end button to hang up, my iPhone automatically starts playing >>> music. The same thing happens if someone calls me and I don't >>> answer. This has happened n a couple of very awkward places and I >>> would appreciate any suggestions y'all might have before I call >>> Apple. >>> All the best, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From kramc11 at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 14:08:36 2012 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:08:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] thinkorswim by TD Ameritrade Message-ID: <8A7A9C1CAAB44C10A5D3C4D5FD86EAC1@ownerf49ceb395> Hi all, Apologies for the cross post, but I am wondering if anyone has experience with thinkorswim by TD Ameritrade. I have to use it for a class, and by all appearances it looks as if it is impossible to use with jaws. Your experiences are welcome, and I hope someone knows of a successful workaround. Thanks, Mark From beckyasabo at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 14:11:18 2012 From: beckyasabo at gmail.com (becky sabo) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:11:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] need some help with readers/ tutors Message-ID: <002401cdac71$47b83970$d728ac50$@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I was wondering if any one could help me out or give me some suggestions for school. I am struggling in school. I graduated with my AA this summer from the community college of Denver than I started this fall at Metro state University. My DVR councilor stop paying my reader and she had to quit because of financial issues. I am trying to fine new readers but I do not know how to go about that any help would be great. I started out doing full time but I was failing one of them so I dropped it now I am hurting in my other classes and I do not want to drop out but I do not know what to do. My mom and dad have been helping me but they said they can not help me because they are retired but I do have other disabilities and school is very hard but I want to successed. So my question is where do I go or what to do next' Thanks again. Becky Sabo -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:51 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting Hi all, I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to learn. I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't have to do it this way, but I do think it is important to have some formal way of tracking how much money you have and how much you can afford to spend on a weekly or monthly basis. I think this is especially critical for those of us on fixed incomes. Once you have a budget, you will be able to tell not only when you need to cut back on your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the game" and can afford to spend a little more. Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three bank statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much money you get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, SSI, checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all expenses you have that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up every month, such as rent and bills. I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a Braille Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled "income" and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, you earn $500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from Social Security, and this happens every single month, you would put 1000 into the income box. Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of your bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every month. Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, cell phone bill, doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count groceries as a fixed expense because even though buying groceries is required for survival, the actual amount you spend on groceries is flexible and can be changed from month to month, whereas the amount you spend on your cell phone bill is generally the same from month to month. You might want to designate a minimum grocery payment as a fixed expense to make sure you've set aside some money for groceries, and then allow yourself to spend more than that minimum on groceries if you have extra discretionary money (see below). For our hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose that person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone bill, $50 Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract the fixed expense total from your total income. What you have left is "discretionary money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our hypothetical person has $400 per month in discretionary money that he/she can spend on whatever. You might choose to further divide your discretionary money into more categories, for example, giving yourself $100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation and $100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know what kinds of things you like to spend your money on. The big key is just to make sure that in a month you don't spend more than what you have available for discretionary spending, so this person should not spend more than $400 per month on optional or discretionary things. Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget and know how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, every time you buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back to your budget and subtract that amount from what you have designated as discretionary money. That way, you will be able to see right away if your funds are getting low and can make a decision not to buy that new party outfit, etc. If, however, it's almost the end of the month and you still have quite a bit of discretionary money left over, you can treat yourself to something nice without feeling guilty, because you will know that you will still have enough money left to get through the rest of the month. If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I will put that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my savings adds up, I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a trip. If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip into your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional big expense, like a trip, comes up. The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether to move out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper place. If you are putting lots of extra money into savings each month, then you can probably afford to pay more rent, but if you are perpetually running out of discretionary funds before the end of the month, then it might be time to cut back either on the discretionary expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee every day) or on the fixed expenses (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment or cutting back on the cell phone plan). In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about setting it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping regular tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have will ensure you don't miss an expense. I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list or by phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of the minor hassle. Best, Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/beckyasabo%40gmail.com From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Tue Oct 16 14:16:21 2012 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:16:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need some help with readers/ tutors In-Reply-To: <002401cdac71$47b83970$d728ac50$@gmail.com> References: <002401cdac71$47b83970$d728ac50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DDEB0@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> Why did your counselor stop paying for readers? Can you get materials in a different format so you can read them independently? Make an announcement in your classes for people who want to volunteer. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of becky sabo Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:11 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] need some help with readers/ tutors Hi everyone, I was wondering if any one could help me out or give me some suggestions for school. I am struggling in school. I graduated with my AA this summer from the community college of Denver than I started this fall at Metro state University. My DVR councilor stop paying my reader and she had to quit because of financial issues. I am trying to fine new readers but I do not know how to go about that any help would be great. I started out doing full time but I was failing one of them so I dropped it now I am hurting in my other classes and I do not want to drop out but I do not know what to do. My mom and dad have been helping me but they said they can not help me because they are retired but I do have other disabilities and school is very hard but I want to successed. So my question is where do I go or what to do next' Thanks again. Becky Sabo -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:51 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting Hi all, I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to learn. I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't have to do it this way, but I do think it is important to have some formal way of tracking how much money you have and how much you can afford to spend on a weekly or monthly basis. I think this is especially critical for those of us on fixed incomes. Once you have a budget, you will be able to tell not only when you need to cut back on your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the game" and can afford to spend a little more. Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three bank statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much money you get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, SSI, checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all expenses you have that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up every month, such as rent and bills. I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a Braille Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled "income" and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, you earn $500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from Social Security, and this happens every single month, you would put 1000 into the income box. Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of your bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every month. Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, cell phone bill, doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count groceries as a fixed expense because even though buying groceries is required for survival, the actual amount you spend on groceries is flexible and can be changed from month to month, whereas the amount you spend on your cell phone bill is generally the same from month to month. You might want to designate a minimum grocery payment as a fixed expense to make sure you've set aside some money for groceries, and then allow yourself to spend more than that minimum on groceries if you have extra discretionary money (see below). For our hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose that person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone bill, $50 Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract the fixed expense total from your total income. What you have left is "discretionary money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our hypothetical person has $400 per month in discretionary money that he/she can spend on whatever. You might choose to further divide your discretionary money into more categories, for example, giving yourself $100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation and $100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know what kinds of things you like to spend your money on. The big key is just to make sure that in a month you don't spend more than what you have available for discretionary spending, so this person should not spend more than $400 per month on optional or discretionary things. Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget and know how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, every time you buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back to your budget and subtract that amount from what you have designated as discretionary money. That way, you will be able to see right away if your funds are getting low and can make a decision not to buy that new party outfit, etc. If, however, it's almost the end of the month and you still have quite a bit of discretionary money left over, you can treat yourself to something nice without feeling guilty, because you will know that you will still have enough money left to get through the rest of the month. If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I will put that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my savings adds up, I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a trip. If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip into your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional big expense, like a trip, comes up. The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether to move out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper place. If you are putting lots of extra money into savings each month, then you can probably afford to pay more rent, but if you are perpetually running out of discretionary funds before the end of the month, then it might be time to cut back either on the discretionary expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee every day) or on the fixed expenses (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment or cutting back on the cell phone plan). In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about setting it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping regular tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have will ensure you don't miss an expense. I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list or by phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of the minor hassle. Best, Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/beckyasabo%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs. fldoe.org From carlymih at comcast.net Tue Oct 16 17:12:55 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:12:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] need some help with readers/ tutors In-Reply-To: <002401cdac71$47b83970$d728ac50$@gmail.com> References: <002401cdac71$47b83970$d728ac50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20121016100820.01bef760@comcast.net> Good morning, Becky, I went to Metro for a briefest of whiles when I lived in Denver and Littleton, in '02-03. I would suggest, utilizing disabled students office. /Also, recruiting readers/tutors in your classes is usually an efficient means. Keep us posted okay, Becky? Best of luck. Car, Berkeley, California/17/2012, becky sabo wrote: > Hi everyone, >I was wondering if any one could help me out or give me some suggestions for >school. I am struggling in school. I graduated with my AA this summer from >the community college of Denver than I started this fall at Metro state >University. My DVR councilor stop paying my reader and she had to quit >because of financial issues. I am trying to fine new readers but I do not >know how to go about that any help would be great. I started out doing full >time but I was failing one of them so I dropped it now I am hurting in my >other classes and I do not want to drop out but I do not know what to do. >My mom and dad have been helping me but they said they can not help me >because they are retired but I do have other disabilities and school is very >hard but I want to successed. So my question is where do I go or what to do >next' >Thanks again. >Becky Sabo > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >Silverman >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:51 PM >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting > >Hi all, >I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to learn. >I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't have to do it >this way, but I do think it is important to have some formal way of tracking >how much money you have and how much you can afford to spend on a weekly or >monthly basis. I think this is especially critical for those of us on fixed >incomes. Once you have a budget, you will be able to tell not only when you >need to cut back on your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the game" >and can afford to spend a little more. > >Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three bank >statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much money you >get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, SSI, >checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all expenses you have >that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up every month, such as rent >and bills. >I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a Braille >Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled "income" >and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, you earn >$500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from Social Security, and >this happens every single month, you would put >1000 into the income box. >Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of your >bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every month. >Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, cell phone bill, >doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count groceries as a fixed >expense because even though buying groceries is required for survival, the >actual amount you spend on groceries is flexible and can be changed from >month to month, whereas the amount you spend on your cell phone bill is >generally the same from month to month. You might want to designate a >minimum grocery payment as a fixed expense to make sure you've set aside >some money for groceries, and then allow yourself to spend more than that >minimum on groceries if you have extra discretionary money (see below). For >our hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose that >person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone bill, $50 >Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. >That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. >Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract the fixed >expense total from your total income. What you have left is "discretionary >money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our hypothetical person has >$400 per month in discretionary money that he/she can spend on whatever. You >might choose to further divide your discretionary money into more >categories, for example, giving yourself >$100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation and >$100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know what kinds of >things you like to spend your money on. The big key is just to make sure >that in a month you don't spend more than what you have available for >discretionary spending, so this person should not spend more than $400 per >month on optional or discretionary things. >Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget and know >how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, every time you >buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back to your budget and >subtract that amount from what you have designated as discretionary money. >That way, you will be able to see right away if your funds are getting low >and can make a decision not to buy that new party outfit, etc. If, however, >it's almost the end of the month and you still have quite a bit of >discretionary money left over, you can treat yourself to something nice >without feeling guilty, because you will know that you will still have >enough money left to get through the rest of the month. >If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I will put >that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my savings adds up, >I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a trip. >If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip into >your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional big >expense, like a trip, comes up. >The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether to move >out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper place. If you are >putting lots of extra money into savings each month, then you can probably >afford to pay more rent, but if you are perpetually running out of >discretionary funds before the end of the month, then it might be time to >cut back either on the discretionary expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee >every day) or on the fixed expenses (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment >or cutting back on the cell phone plan). >In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about setting >it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday >is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping regular >tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have will ensure you >don't miss an expense. >I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list or by >phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of the minor >hassle. >Best, >Arielle > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/beckyasabo%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 23:58:14 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:58:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: <3E069B0F-9601-4E94-BB08-81AE65A00B7F@samobile.net> References: <4D43BCD5-B480-4036-9277-EBA0EB987B73@samobile.net> <84FBCA03-D0C1-4027-A88A-B8C12EC66A2C@gmail.com> <3E069B0F-9601-4E94-BB08-81AE65A00B7F@samobile.net> Message-ID: Koby, I don't know your parents so what I'm about to say might not even have a prayer of working. But, sometimes, I think we can get the idea in our heads that complete financial independence needs to happen all at once. I prefer to take a more gradual approach, at least in my own life. Let me be clear, I think what your mom did is absolutely unacceptable. While I've never been overdrawn, I know it happens all the time and her response was way, way out of line. That being said, if your mom knows how to be rational and level-headed, taking things slow might be the best course of action. If politely asking her to stop checking your bank account doesn't do the trick, calmly letting her know that you will be opening another account elsewhere and using it instead may be your best bet. While it's true it might take both of you to close a joint account, there's nothing stopping you from opening another account somewhere else and, if the money in your original bank account is really yours, transfering it over to your new one before you can be stopped. I'd say that should be a last resort kind of thing because it might sour family relations even further and, technically, your mom could dispute any money transfered to your new account as she is a joint owner of your first one. At the very least, you could make sure that any new money you earned would go to another account your parents have no say over, but I'd at least give it some thought before doing that. I had a kind of similar thing happen to me, although it wasn't nearly on the level of what you experienced. My dad is a joint owner on my bank account (a situation I choose to accept at present), and he confronted me at one point saying he didn't aprove of some of the things I was spending money on. I told him that bothered me and he's never looked at my account since. (unless he has some tricky way of logging on without the system displaying it in my "last log-on" information which it shows me every time I log in. And, anyway, he's not that tricky or sneaky.) We worked it out and, at least temporarily, we've reached that understanding. Once I get another job and move out of the house again (I moved back after going through training, because it made the most financial sense for me), I'll probably open another account that only has my name on it. But, since we're not having confrontations over the issue anymore and my parents are respecting my fanancial privacy, it's not extremely urgent for me. I don't know if any of that helped, but I figured I'd share. Best, Kirt On 10/14/12, Jedi Moerke wrote: > David is right. There comes a time when our parents control over us Starts > from our own willingness to control ourselves. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 5:30 PM, David wrote: > >> Hello. First of all, this sounds illegal. I assume that you are over 18, >> in which case, only you should have access to your bank account, unless >> you consented to granting her access. If I were in your situation, I would >> certainly look in to filing some sort of legal action against her for her >> unacceptable breach of privacy. Your personal financial situation is of >> course none of my business, but the fact is, she cannot legally dictate to >> you how you spend your personal money, however responsibly or >> irresponsibly. The only leverage she has is ultimately determined by you, >> and I know that that is a harsh statement. I wish you the best of luck. >> David Bouchard >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 14, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Jedi Moerke >> wrote: >> >>> You may want to see about a budgeting class. The class cannot only help >>> you with your current issue, but it can also prepare you for the day when >>> you do move out. I'm not sure what I would do if my mother put me in that >>> situation. Good luck with that one. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 1:24 PM, "Koby Cox" wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> This past week my mom went on-line and looked at my bank account and >>>> saw >>>> that I was overdrawen. A doctors office takes out $110 every month to >>>> cover a procedure that I had done the amount that they take out Is what >>>> I'm responseible for paying because insurance didn't cover the rest of >>>> it. I'm fine with that however, My mom said that she was going to take >>>> my bank card away from me until next month and then we'll see If I get >>>> It back. She also informed me that I can't spend more than $100 unless >>>> I >>>> talk to her first. She said that If I don't like her rules then I can >>>> pack my stuff and get out. What do you all think about all of this? >>>> Right back soon, >>>> Koby. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Wed Oct 17 08:10:43 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 03:10:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Video Gaming Message-ID: From: Shaheen, Natalie [mailto:NShaheen at nfb.org] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 13:23 Subject: video games, i need your help Friends and Colleagues: I am looking for blind people who play, have played, or have some knowledge of video games. We are working on a project where we could use some input. These people need not be hard core gamers to be helpful. If you are one of these people, or if you know people who have knowledge of video games, please send them my way. Feel free to spread the word as widely as you'd like. All the best, Natalie From rriffle2 at wvup.edu Wed Oct 17 12:43:08 2012 From: rriffle2 at wvup.edu (Ryan Riffle) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:43:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Video Gaming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I play video games Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2012, at 4:19 AM, "David Andrews" wrote: > > From: Shaheen, Natalie [mailto:NShaheen at nfb.org] > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 13:23 > Subject: video games, i need your help > > > > Friends and Colleagues: > > I am looking for blind people who play, have played, or have some > knowledge of video games. We are working on a project where we could > use some input. These people need not be hard core gamers to be > helpful. If you are one of these people, or if you know people who > have knowledge of video games, please send them my way. Feel free to > spread the word as widely as you'd like. > > > > All the best, > > Natalie > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rriffle2%40wvup.edu From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 17:29:06 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:29:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving Magazines And Newspapers By Email Message-ID: <507eeae4.13f1640a.4b2c.ffffb61b@mx.google.com> Hello all, I have a question for you. Do you know of any newspapers or magazines that I can receive by email? I already receive the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum each month. Please let me know as soon as possible. From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Wed Oct 17 17:32:34 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:32:34 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving Magazines And Newspapers By Email In-Reply-To: <507eeae4.13f1640a.4b2c.ffffb61b@mx.google.com> References: <507eeae4.13f1640a.4b2c.ffffb61b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You can get a bunch of them off of NFB Newsline. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Roanna Baccchus [rbacchus228 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:29 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving Magazines And Newspapers By Email Hello all, I have a question for you. Do you know of any newspapers or magazines that I can receive by email? I already receive the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum each month. Please let me know as soon as possible. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 17:37:29 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:37:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation Message-ID: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> Hi all, I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I am having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have never put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group projects in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my information and another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had to do this and how have you handled it? I am also concern when the presentation comes how to go through the powerpoint during the presentation. Any help is welcomed. Thanks From hope.paulos at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 17:46:36 2012 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:46:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation In-Reply-To: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi there. I actually taught a class on PowerPoint at the Carroll Center for the blind. When I get a moment, I will try to go through the recording that we created, and provide you with some tips and notes. One question I have, though, is how will you be Accessing your computer? Are you using just speech, or do you have access to a braille display? If you are using speech, I would actually recommend that you try to find someone to loan you a braille display. This way, you can have speech off, and have the PowerPoint presentation in front of you and braille. This makes it a lot easier to give your presentation. Also, which version of PowerPoint are you using? I hope this helpss Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:37 PM, "Gloria G" wrote: > Hi all, > I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I am having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have never put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group projects in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my information and another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had to do this and how have you handled it? I am also concern when the presentation comes how to go through the powerpoint during the presentation. Any help is welcomed. > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 18:31:51 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:31:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> Message-ID: <52741466A69044F48746CF5EFB63B25D@Gloria> Hi, I am planning on using the computer that is in my classroom to upload the powerpoint so the classs can see it on the overhead, but I am going to make braile not cards for myself. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > Hi there. I actually taught a class on PowerPoint at the Carroll Center > for the blind. When I get a moment, I will try to go through the recording > that we created, and provide you with some tips and notes. One question I > have, though, is how will you be Accessing your computer? Are you using > just speech, or do you have access to a braille display? If you are using > speech, I would actually recommend that you try to find someone to loan > you a braille display. This way, you can have speech off, and have the > PowerPoint presentation in front of you and braille. This makes it a lot > easier to give your presentation. > Also, which version of PowerPoint are you using? I hope this helpss > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:37 PM, "Gloria G" wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I >> am having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have >> never put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group >> projects in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my >> information and another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone >> had to do this and how have you handled it? I am also concern when the >> presentation comes how to go through the powerpoint during the >> presentation. Any help is welcomed. >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 19:09:14 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:09:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving Magazines And Newspapers By Email In-Reply-To: <507eeae4.13f1640a.4b2c.ffffb61b@mx.google.com> References: <507eeae4.13f1640a.4b2c.ffffb61b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-1132802075764420151@unknownmsgid> Are you looking for blindness specific magazines or just magazines in general? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:29 PM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a question for you. Do you know of any newspapers or magazines that I can receive by email? I already receive the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum each month. Please let me know as soon as possible. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 19:10:52 2012 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:10:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> Message-ID: <0D7A39428BC04F649F0B3ECCF630E6C0@acerd37f251f21> Hi Gloria, I am not sure if you are using JAWS or what version of Powerpoint you have, but Freedom Scientific has a tutorial on how to use Powerpoint 2003 and Powerpoint 2007 with JAWS. I found that it helped me a lot this semester in one of my classes, so it may help you also. It tells you how to create a powerpoint presentation and how to go through your powerpoint presentation while presenting using keystrokes. It also has a downloadable version of the tutorial for offline use as well as practice files. Here is the link: http://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/training-powerpoint.asp Hth, Misty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > Hi all, > I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I am > having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have never > put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group > projects in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my > information and another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had > to do this and how have you handled it? I am also concern when the > presentation comes how to go through the powerpoint during the > presentation. Any help is welcomed. > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 19:30:27 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:30:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> <0D7A39428BC04F649F0B3ECCF630E6C0@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: <108C499EF9914513AF037F0B19D49EF9@Gloria> Thank you so much for this. I will take a look and see waht I can do. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > Hi Gloria, > I am not sure if you are using JAWS or what version of Powerpoint you > have, but Freedom Scientific has a tutorial on how to use Powerpoint 2003 > and Powerpoint 2007 with JAWS. I found that it helped me a lot this > semester in one of my classes, so it may help you also. It tells you how > to create a powerpoint presentation and how to go through your powerpoint > presentation while presenting using keystrokes. It also has a downloadable > version of the tutorial for offline use as well as practice files. > Here is the link: > http://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/training-powerpoint.asp > Hth, > Misty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > > >> Hi all, >> I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I >> am having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have >> never put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group >> projects in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my >> information and another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone >> had to do this and how have you handled it? I am also concern when the >> presentation comes how to go through the powerpoint during the >> presentation. Any help is welcomed. >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 19:34:01 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:34:01 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation In-Reply-To: <0D7A39428BC04F649F0B3ECCF630E6C0@acerd37f251f21> References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> <0D7A39428BC04F649F0B3ECCF630E6C0@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: I recommend the tutorial as well. I also have some notes at home, and I'll look through those and let you know of anything if I get a chance. There are a couple of ways you could present. You could connect your laptop to the projector and have your headphones in so people wouldn't hear the speech. You could just pick up your headphones if you wanted to change slides. If your presentation has sound, you can route JAWS through your headphones. I am not sure of how to do this, but I am sure it is online somewhere. I have had to do PowerPoints. Although I went to college before I went to training in which I learned how to create them more independently, I would have a reader look over it and design my slides. You will want to make the presentation visually appealing. However, if you read the tutorials, it wouldn't take a reader long to look over and make slight color changes if necessary. I think it is just a good thing to do. I didn't hook up my laptop to the projector. In some classrooms, it could be cumbersome. Instead, I got a volunteer from the class to change slides when I prompted. I then used my notes and broke them up by slide. I totally support being independent and hooking your own computer up, but it would be advisable to check out the projector in your class and do a trial run. If people do presentations off of their own laptops all the time, then it will probably work, but I know that technology is fickle. Maybe you could have the volunteer method as a backup if your laptop doesn't work with the projector. Cindy On 10/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > Hi Gloria, > I am not sure if you are using JAWS or what version of Powerpoint you have, > > but Freedom Scientific has a tutorial on how to use Powerpoint 2003 and > Powerpoint 2007 with JAWS. I found that it helped me a lot this semester in > > one of my classes, so it may help you also. It tells you how to create a > powerpoint presentation and how to go through your powerpoint presentation > while presenting using keystrokes. It also has a downloadable version of the > > tutorial for offline use as well as practice files. > Here is the link: > http://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/training-powerpoint.asp > Hth, > Misty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > > >> Hi all, >> I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I am >> >> having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have never >> >> put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group >> projects in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my >> information and another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had >> >> to do this and how have you handled it? I am also concern when the >> presentation comes how to go through the powerpoint during the >> presentation. Any help is welcomed. >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 20:21:40 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:21:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria><0D7A39428BC04F649F0B3ECCF630E6C0@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: Thanks Sendy for these suggestions. I will talk to my professor and see if I can get someone to assist me in slide changes. Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Bennett" To: "Misty Dawn Bradley" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >I recommend the tutorial as well. I also have some notes at home, and > I'll look through those and let you know of anything if I get a > chance. > > There are a couple of ways you could present. You could connect your > laptop to the projector and have your headphones in so people wouldn't > hear the speech. You could just pick up your headphones if you wanted > to change slides. If your presentation has sound, you can route JAWS > through your headphones. I am not sure of how to do this, but I am > sure it is online somewhere. > > I have had to do PowerPoints. Although I went to college before I went > to training in which I learned how to create them more independently, > I would have a reader look over it and design my slides. You will want > to make the presentation visually appealing. However, if you read the > tutorials, it wouldn't take a reader long to look over and make slight > color changes if necessary. I think it is just a good thing to do. > > I didn't hook up my laptop to the projector. In some classrooms, it > could be cumbersome. Instead, I got a volunteer from the class to > change slides when I prompted. I then used my notes and broke them up > by slide. > > I totally support being independent and hooking your own computer up, > but it would be advisable to check out the projector in your class and > do a trial run. If people do presentations off of their own laptops > all the time, then it will probably work, but I know that technology > is fickle. Maybe you could have the volunteer method as a backup if > your laptop doesn't work with the projector. > > Cindy > > On 10/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >> Hi Gloria, >> I am not sure if you are using JAWS or what version of Powerpoint you >> have, >> >> but Freedom Scientific has a tutorial on how to use Powerpoint 2003 and >> Powerpoint 2007 with JAWS. I found that it helped me a lot this semester >> in >> >> one of my classes, so it may help you also. It tells you how to create a >> powerpoint presentation and how to go through your powerpoint >> presentation >> while presenting using keystrokes. It also has a downloadable version of >> the >> >> tutorial for offline use as well as practice files. >> Here is the link: >> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/training-powerpoint.asp >> Hth, >> Misty >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria G" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I >>> am >>> >>> having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have >>> never >>> >>> put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group >>> projects in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my >>> information and another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone >>> had >>> >>> to do this and how have you handled it? I am also concern when the >>> presentation comes how to go through the powerpoint during the >>> presentation. Any help is welcomed. >>> Thanks >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cynthia Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From coasterfreak88 at me.com Wed Oct 17 21:42:49 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:42:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about Blackboard. Message-ID: <91090465-6835-4B51-B91D-C79806DDD49B@me.com> I am trying to figure out how to email all of the members of a course I am enrolled in. HOw can I do that? I'm sure there is a way somewhere, but I cannot figure it out. We use GMail to power the campus email system, and I suspect that there is a link in Blackboard to a way to email all of the members of a particular course. Does anyone know where I can find this? Thanks for the help. From gpaikens at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 23:54:41 2012 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 19:54:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about Blackboard. In-Reply-To: <91090465-6835-4B51-B91D-C79806DDD49B@me.com> References: <91090465-6835-4B51-B91D-C79806DDD49B@me.com> Message-ID: <34EB2EF4-4BF9-493D-ACE9-FF4E7288623E@gmail.com> Hi John, I am no longer a student so I don't have a way to double check this, but this is what I remember doing. See if it works. First select the course you want on blackboard. Then, there should be a link for tools under that course, like the links for assignments, syllabi, etc. Once you click on tools there should be an email option as one of the tools you can use for the course. From there you can find the option to email different groups of students enrolled in the course. My apologies if this doesn't work. -Greg On Oct 17, 2012, at 5:42 PM, John Moore wrote: > I am trying to figure out how to email all of the members of a course I am enrolled in. HOw can I do that? I'm sure there is a way somewhere, but I cannot figure it out. We use GMail to power the campus email system, and I suspect that there is a link in Blackboard to a way to email all of the members of a particular course. Does anyone know where I can find this? Thanks for the help. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 01:44:27 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:44:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing folders on Dropbox Message-ID: I use Dropbox a lot and therefore share folders regularly. I was curious if there was a workaround for JAWS users. I feel like this used to be accessible, but recently, as in during the last year, I have had problems. When I right click on a folder and click the Dropbox menu and further click to share the folder, Firefox opens. I am directed to the Dropbox page. I can get as far as a list of my Dropbox folders to share. However, I am unable to select folders within folders. Also, the second time I tried to select a parent folder, the next button wouldn't activate which leads me to believe that nothing was selected. So selecting folders is difficult in this web browser. When I manually go to the site through IE, I am able to select even folders within folders to share. I can type in email addresses. But I cannot click the share button to actually share the folder. Sharing is not an option through the Dropbox app or through the mobile site on Safari. Ideas? Thanks. Cindy -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 01:49:23 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:49:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar and Docs Message-ID: My coworkers just love their Google calendars. I have found them to be partially accessible. I can make appointments, but I cannot create new calendars, share them, or switch calendar views independently. I have similar troubles when I use my phone. One coworker shared her calaendar with me, and now I get reminders that she has set for her own appointments that aren't even mine which is annoying. I am also unable to differentiate her appointments from mine as the only view I can access right now is the comprehensive view of my calendars. I have done quite a bit of exploring, and a lot of the options such as settings just don't activate when I press space or enter on them. I have even tried right clicking them. I am curious if there are any applications like Outlook that could sync with my Google calendars that would allow me more accessibility. Or if there is a more accessible Google interface. I have clicked a link that supposedly changes the view to optomize accessibility, but in my opinion, unlike the awesome standard view on the GMail interface, this really didn't do anything. Also, I am curious about Google Docs. I need to do more exploring, but any advice is appreciated. Thanks. -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 01:59:57 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cynthia Bennett) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:59:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Voting Accessibility Conference Call! Message-ID: Pass this along to anyone who might be interested. Greetings fellow blind students and NFB members, In the words of former U.S. president Franklyn D. Roosevelt, “Nobody will ever deprive American people of the right to vote accept for the American people themselves and the only way they could do this is by not voting.” As a result, it is the goal of the NABS Membership Committee to ensure that no one deprives themselves of their right to vote because of a lack of information on accessible voting. Thus we want to extend an invitation to take part in our October membership call “the ABC’s of voting.” Join us on October 21st to hear from Luanne Blake from our national center on how to register to vote, voter rights in terms of completing your ballot independently, and how to file a complaint if your rights are violated. What: The ABC’s of Voting Conference Call Who: Anyone, not just students! When: October 21, 2012 at 7:00 P.M. ET, 4:00 P.M. PT. Where: Conference Call, (530)881-1212 Code: 757-809-541 We look forward to you joining us! The NABS Membership Committee -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Oct 18 02:05:22 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar and Docs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, google docs aren't accessible. As for calendar, if outlook sincs with google calendar, that might be an idea. Otherwise, perhaps, you and the staff can use something more accessible. -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Bennett Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:49 PM To: National Asociation of Blind Students Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar and Docs My coworkers just love their Google calendars. I have found them to be partially accessible. I can make appointments, but I cannot create new calendars, share them, or switch calendar views independently. I have similar troubles when I use my phone. One coworker shared her calaendar with me, and now I get reminders that she has set for her own appointments that aren't even mine which is annoying. I am also unable to differentiate her appointments from mine as the only view I can access right now is the comprehensive view of my calendars. I have done quite a bit of exploring, and a lot of the options such as settings just don't activate when I press space or enter on them. I have even tried right clicking them. I am curious if there are any applications like Outlook that could sync with my Google calendars that would allow me more accessibility. Or if there is a more accessible Google interface. I have clicked a link that supposedly changes the view to optomize accessibility, but in my opinion, unlike the awesome standard view on the GMail interface, this really didn't do anything. Also, I am curious about Google Docs. I need to do more exploring, but any advice is appreciated. Thanks. -- Cynthia Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From coasterfreak88 at me.com Thu Oct 18 02:16:08 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:16:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about Blackboard. In-Reply-To: <34EB2EF4-4BF9-493D-ACE9-FF4E7288623E@gmail.com> References: <91090465-6835-4B51-B91D-C79806DDD49B@me.com> <34EB2EF4-4BF9-493D-ACE9-FF4E7288623E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <98F03067-F448-4D33-BD73-E969196C6FCA@me.com> Hi Greg. I did not see a Tools link anywhere, not even something I could click. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Oct 18 02:27:29 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:27:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing Message-ID: <9189062DE37649BD9BF878AB30E4C00C@OwnerPC> Hi all, So, I was wondering about clothes shopping. Do you shop alone or with friends or family? If you go alone, who assist you? Do you use a personal shopper and if so, how does that work? I wonder if most major department stores have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, I know they will accommodate and help us, but a personal shopper would know how to find clothes for different types of people and be used to suggesting clothes. I’ve only shopped a little alone for clothes; in my experience they seem short staffed and they did help me but I usually had to wait a while. My mother tends to select things she feels look good, but I think they are probably her style, not always mine. Also, anyone know what business casual means? I ask because offices I’ve worked at often say this but that seems to be a big catch all phrase. I realize it means nice clothes; no jeans; slacks of course; maybe nice blouses and vests. Also, anyone want to share a system for organizing clothes in the closet? How do you know pieces of outfits go together once you wash them? Thanks. Ashley From opensesame at me.com Thu Oct 18 03:26:04 2012 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 23:26:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar and Docs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32859B79-B4B5-4995-928A-725659E18572@me.com> Hello Cynthia, Ashley and All, The accessibility of Google Docs is actually improving and the old blanket statement of inaccessibility no longer tells the full story. While the level of access to Google Docs is still nothing to write home about -- pun intended -- I've found it is possible to perform some level of creating, editing and reading documents on Windows, Mac, Android and IOS, depending of course on your OS version, screen reader and web browser. Two resources I found helpful are "Google Drive" and the Google Products accessibility website. Google Drive is client software that vastly improves the connection and integration between your device and Google Docs and tries to make it easier to work with docs offline. Apps for IOS and Android can be downloaded from their respective App stores. Instructions for getting hold of Google Drive client software for Mac and Windows can be found here: http://support.google.com/drive/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2375078 The Google Products accessibility website provides some details describing how to use each screen reader when trying to access Google Docs, Calendar and other Google offerings. The information provided is pretty basic, but I think it is a good starting point. When I visit the site I navigate it by headings to find the product I'm interested in, and then browse through the links below that heading to go to the specific topic I want to learn about. Here's a link to the site: http://www.google.com/accessibility/products/ Cheers, Bryan On Oct 17, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > google docs aren't accessible. As for calendar, if outlook sincs > with google calendar, that might be an idea. Otherwise, perhaps, you and the staff can use something more accessible. > -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Bennett > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:49 PM > To: National Asociation of Blind Students > Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar and Docs > > My coworkers just love their Google calendars. I have found them to be > partially accessible. I can make appointments, but I cannot create new > calendars, share them, or switch calendar views independently. I have > similar troubles when I use my phone. One coworker shared her > calaendar with me, and now I get reminders that she has set for her > own appointments that aren't even mine which is annoying. I am also > unable to differentiate her appointments from mine as the only view I > can access right now is the comprehensive view of my calendars. I have > done quite a bit of exploring, and a lot of the options such as > settings just don't activate when I press space or enter on them. I > have even tried right clicking them. > > I am curious if there are any applications like Outlook that could > sync with my Google calendars that would allow me more accessibility. > Or if there is a more accessible Google interface. I have clicked a > link that supposedly changes the view to optomize accessibility, but > in my opinion, unlike the awesome standard view on the GMail > interface, this really didn't do anything. > > Also, I am curious about Google Docs. I need to do more exploring, but > any advice is appreciated. > > Thanks. > > -- > Cynthia Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 04:07:22 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 00:07:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar and Docs In-Reply-To: <32859B79-B4B5-4995-928A-725659E18572@me.com> References: <32859B79-B4B5-4995-928A-725659E18572@me.com> Message-ID: <80136789-49A5-43FF-BD4F-3061B71DE4C1@gmail.com> hi brian this is lavonnya. does gogle work better with jaws, i use n v d a, and it doesnt work on my laptop. but it does work on my ipad. do u no y this is Sent from my iPad On Oct 17, 2012, at 23:26, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello Cynthia, Ashley and All, > > The accessibility of Google Docs is actually improving and the old blanket statement of inaccessibility no longer tells the full story. While the level of access to Google Docs is still nothing to write home about -- pun intended -- I've found it is possible to perform some level of creating, editing and reading documents on Windows, Mac, Android and IOS, depending of course on your OS version, screen reader and web browser. > > Two resources I found helpful are "Google Drive" and the Google Products accessibility website. > > Google Drive is client software that vastly improves the connection and integration between your device and Google Docs and tries to make it easier to work with docs offline. Apps for IOS and Android can be downloaded from their respective App stores. Instructions for getting hold of Google Drive client software for Mac and Windows can be found here: http://support.google.com/drive/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2375078 > > The Google Products accessibility website provides some details describing how to use each screen reader when trying to access Google Docs, Calendar and other Google offerings. The information provided is pretty basic, but I think it is a good starting point. When I visit the site I navigate it by headings to find the product I'm interested in, and then browse through the links below that heading to go to the specific topic I want to learn about. Here's a link to the site: http://www.google.com/accessibility/products/ > > Cheers, > Bryan > > On Oct 17, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> google docs aren't accessible. As for calendar, if outlook sincs >> with google calendar, that might be an idea. Otherwise, perhaps, you and the staff can use something more accessible. >> -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Bennett >> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:49 PM >> To: National Asociation of Blind Students >> Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar and Docs >> >> My coworkers just love their Google calendars. I have found them to be >> partially accessible. I can make appointments, but I cannot create new >> calendars, share them, or switch calendar views independently. I have >> similar troubles when I use my phone. One coworker shared her >> calaendar with me, and now I get reminders that she has set for her >> own appointments that aren't even mine which is annoying. I am also >> unable to differentiate her appointments from mine as the only view I >> can access right now is the comprehensive view of my calendars. I have >> done quite a bit of exploring, and a lot of the options such as >> settings just don't activate when I press space or enter on them. I >> have even tried right clicking them. >> >> I am curious if there are any applications like Outlook that could >> sync with my Google calendars that would allow me more accessibility. >> Or if there is a more accessible Google interface. I have clicked a >> link that supposedly changes the view to optomize accessibility, but >> in my opinion, unlike the awesome standard view on the GMail >> interface, this really didn't do anything. >> >> Also, I am curious about Google Docs. I need to do more exploring, but >> any advice is appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Cynthia Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 04:08:49 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 00:08:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar and Docs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2609A2C5-54D6-44AD-BF7E-2AF2AD47024B@gmail.com> hi all i use gogle plus at work, and can not get it to work, help please. thanks Sent from my iPad On Oct 17, 2012, at 22:05, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Hi, > google docs aren't accessible. As for calendar, if outlook sincs > with google calendar, that might be an idea. Otherwise, perhaps, you and the staff can use something more accessible. > -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Bennett > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:49 PM > To: National Asociation of Blind Students > Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar and Docs > > My coworkers just love their Google calendars. I have found them to be > partially accessible. I can make appointments, but I cannot create new > calendars, share them, or switch calendar views independently. I have > similar troubles when I use my phone. One coworker shared her > calaendar with me, and now I get reminders that she has set for her > own appointments that aren't even mine which is annoying. I am also > unable to differentiate her appointments from mine as the only view I > can access right now is the comprehensive view of my calendars. I have > done quite a bit of exploring, and a lot of the options such as > settings just don't activate when I press space or enter on them. I > have even tried right clicking them. > > I am curious if there are any applications like Outlook that could > sync with my Google calendars that would allow me more accessibility. > Or if there is a more accessible Google interface. I have clicked a > link that supposedly changes the view to optomize accessibility, but > in my opinion, unlike the awesome standard view on the GMail > interface, this really didn't do anything. > > Also, I am curious about Google Docs. I need to do more exploring, but > any advice is appreciated. > > Thanks. > > -- > Cynthia Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 04:17:21 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 00:17:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing In-Reply-To: <9189062DE37649BD9BF878AB30E4C00C@OwnerPC> References: <9189062DE37649BD9BF878AB30E4C00C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <3BC82C60-FAF8-4370-BA26-36B8150821E4@gmail.com> hi ashley ths is lavonnya. i go clothes shopping on my own. as i ask the people at the store to help me. i never thought of taking someone with me. i may try that. altho, i wouldnt like going on someone elses sced, but i will see if that is my only down fall. Sent from my iPad On Oct 17, 2012, at 22:27, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Hi all, > > So, I was wondering about clothes shopping. Do you shop alone or with friends or family? > If you go alone, who assist you? Do you use a personal shopper and if so, how does that work? > > I wonder if most major department stores have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, I know they will accommodate and help us, but a personal shopper would know how to find clothes for different types of people and be used to suggesting clothes. > > I’ve only shopped a little alone for clothes; in my experience they seem short staffed and they did help me but I usually had to wait a while. > My mother tends to select things she feels look good, but I think they are probably her style, not always mine. > > Also, anyone know what business casual means? I ask because offices I’ve worked at often say this but that seems to be a > big catch all phrase. I realize it means nice clothes; no jeans; slacks of course; maybe nice blouses and vests. > > Also, anyone want to share a system for organizing clothes in the closet? How do you know pieces of outfits go together once you wash them? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Thu Oct 18 04:14:49 2012 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 00:14:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about Blackboard. In-Reply-To: <98F03067-F448-4D33-BD73-E969196C6FCA@me.com> References: <91090465-6835-4B51-B91D-C79806DDD49B@me.com> <34EB2EF4-4BF9-493D-ACE9-FF4E7288623E@gmail.com> <98F03067-F448-4D33-BD73-E969196C6FCA@me.com> Message-ID: >From someone who knows more about technology than me .... The instructor needs to turn on a tool... There are 2 options to send messages within BB, Messages and Email. Both will let one send 'mail' to everyone in the course. Messages stay within the course and one needs to log into the course to read the message. Email sends the message out to everyone's email, in this case your Gmail account. It's entirely possible that the instructor has turned on neither tool. But if Messages are turned on, it does essentially the same as Mail; take what's there. If neither is turned on, your friend should approach the instructor about turning one or the other on.... Does that help? --MJ ---------------------------------- David Dodge Diversity in Disability Planning Committee Chairperson English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:16 PM, John Moore wrote: > Hi Greg. I did not see a Tools link anywhere, not even something I could > click. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From carlymih at comcast.net Thu Oct 18 05:21:51 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:21:51 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing In-Reply-To: <9189062DE37649BD9BF878AB30E4C00C@OwnerPC> References: <9189062DE37649BD9BF878AB30E4C00C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20121017221712.01c5ef20@comcast.net> Hi, Ashley, I used to be all confounded by an idea of oh my god, not MATCHING! Yet, since my life partner is blind I don't feel I need to match for him, as well as my figuring out the more important things in life than whether your clothes, match. I don't work, I'm a college student. I dress up for school though, and I memorize what different articles of clothing go together. I fell so much better after letting that whole matching cocophony, go. It won't kill ya, contrary to how I used to think, and how you probably, think! Good luck, my sister! CarAt 07:27 PM 10/17/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, So, I was wondering about clothes >shopping. Do you shop alone or with friends or >family? If you go alone, who assist you? Do you >use a personal shopper and if so, how does that >work? I wonder if most major department stores >have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, >I know they will accommodate and help us, but a >personal shopper would know how to find clothes >for different types of people and be used to >suggesting clothes. I’ve only shopped a little >alone for clothes; in my experience they seem >short staffed and they did help me but I usually >had to wait a while. My mother tends to select >things she feels look good, but I think they >are probably her style, not always mine. Also, >anyone know what business casual means? I ask >because offices I’ve worked at often say this >but that seems to be a big catch all phrase. I >realize it means nice clothes; no jeans; slacks >of course; maybe nice blouses and vests. Also, >anyone want to share a system for organizing >clothes in the closet? How do you know pieces of >outfits go together once you wash them? Thanks. >Ashley >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From dandrews at visi.com Thu Oct 18 05:34:17 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 00:34:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] New version of Nokia Screen Reader is now available on the Nokia Store! Message-ID: >Logo Code Factory > > >New version of Nokia Screen Reader > > >New version of Nokia Screen Reader is now available on the Nokia Store! > > > > > >Popular and free application now supports more >than 40 devices and 29 languages! > > > >Terrassa (Barcelona), Spain, October 17th, 2012 > >The highly popular Nokia Screen Reader >application, which was released late in 2011 for >a limited range of devices and languages, has >now been extended to include support for >virtually all Nokia Symbian devices released in >the last few years. In addition, it now supports >a much wider range of languages. And the best >part for users: it keeps being a free application! > > “We’ve received fantastic feedback since the > launch of Nokia Screen Reader 10 months ago,” > explains Eduard Sánchez, CEO at Code Factory. > “It’s been a great leap forward for affordable > accessibility, and Nokia is to be credited for > supporting the project. However, many users > were disappointed that their phone or language > was not supported. With the release of Nokia > Screen Reader 1.3, we are delighted to be able > to greatly extend the availability of Nokia > Screen Reader both in terms of devices and > supported languages, to once again break down the barriers of accessibility.” > >Major features of v1.3: >• Support for a large number of new devices. The >full set of supported devices is now: Nokia 500, >603, 700, 701, 808 PureView, 5320, 5530, 5630, >5730, 6120, 6121, 6210, 6220, 6700 Slide, 6710, >6720, 6790, C5-00, C5 5MP, C6-00, C6-01, C7, E5, >E52, E55, E6-00, E63, E66, E7, E71, E71x, E72, >E73, E75, N78, N79, N8, N85, N86, N96, N97, N97 Mini, X6 and X7. >• Support for a much wider range of languages: >English, Spanish, French, German, Portuguese, >Finnish, Swedish, Italian, Danish, Dutch, Greek, >Hindi, Norwegian, Simplified Chinese, Turkish, >Arabic, Croatian, Lithuanian, Bengali, >Bulgarian, Catalan, Hungarian, Malaysian, >Serbian, Slovak, Tagalog, Ukrainian, Vietnamese >and Icelandic. Note that some of these languages >do not have a corresponding Nokia HQ voice, so >it is recommended to use the Nokia standard quality voice for these languages. >• Added the "Voice" option to the UI, which >allows users to choose between the Nokia HQ and >the Nokia (standard quality) voices. Nokia HQ >will still be loaded by default when Nokia Screen Reader is first installed. >• Support for devices running Symbian Belle >Refresh and Symbian Belle Feature Pack 2 (FP2) firmware. >• Support for latest version of WhatsApp >v2.8.14, the world’s most popular mobile messaging application. > >To find out more information about Nokia Screen Reader, please read our FAQ: >http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=425 > > >To access the Nokia Screen Reader user manual, please go to: From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Oct 18 05:35:59 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 01:35:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20121017221712.01c5ef20@comcast.net> References: <9189062DE37649BD9BF878AB30E4C00C@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20121017221712.01c5ef20@comcast.net> Message-ID: Car, Well, I think as you do for casual school clothes. I wear jeans and what feels comfortable. But when you are working, you need to wear business casual clothes. This is where I'm more concerned. I also have stockings and socks that I need to keep matched. How do you know the color and keep them matched? Enjoy the relaxed style and attitude about clothes while you can; when working its different. I'm a continuing education student but I also am looking for work and have an internship now. So, I got to wondering about clothes and styles. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:21 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing Hi, Ashley, I used to be all confounded by an idea of oh my god, not MATCHING! Yet, since my life partner is blind I don't feel I need to match for him, as well as my figuring out the more important things in life than whether your clothes, match. I don't work, I'm a college student. I dress up for school though, and I memorize what different articles of clothing go together. I fell so much better after letting that whole matching cocophony, go. It won't kill ya, contrary to how I used to think, and how you probably, think! Good luck, my sister! CarAt 07:27 PM 10/17/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, So, I was wondering about clothes shopping. Do you shop alone or >with friends or family? If you go alone, who assist you? Do you use a >personal shopper and if so, how does that work? I wonder if most major >department stores have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, I know >they will accommodate and help us, but a personal shopper would know how to >find clothes for different types of people and be used to suggesting >clothes. I’ve only shopped a little alone for clothes; in my experience >they seem short staffed and they did help me but I usually had to wait a >while. My mother tends to select things she feels look good, but I think >they are probably her style, not always mine. Also, anyone know what >business casual means? I ask because offices I’ve worked at often say >this but that seems to be a big catch all phrase. I realize it means nice >clothes; no jeans; slacks of course; maybe nice blouses and vests. Also, >anyone want to share a system for organizing clothes in the closet? How do >you know pieces of outfits go together once you wash them? Thanks. Ashley >_______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carlymih at comcast.net Thu Oct 18 05:47:25 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:47:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing In-Reply-To: References: <9189062DE37649BD9BF878AB30E4C00C@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20121017221712.01c5ef20@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20121017224228.01df23f0@comcast.net> Hi, Ashley, Guess I never thought of that and, though I dress up for school, I don't typically wear stockings, finding them much too confining. Perhaps, someone with experience in this realm ought to jump in, here. Off the top of my head though, You know those shoe racks that hang in your closet, or upon the closet door? You could use those to separate different colorded stockings, affixing labels to the pockets. Of course, there's keeping them separate, I don't know how practical such a strategy is. Let us know what you decide and, don't hesitate to apply some creativity, and out of the box thinking in this. Good luck, sis! At 10:35 PM 10/17/2012, you wrote: >Car, Well, I think as you do for casual school >clothes. I wear jeans and what feels >comfortable. But when you are working, you need >to wear business casual clothes. This is where >I'm more concerned. I also have stockings and >socks that I need to keep matched. How do you >know the color and keep them matched? Enjoy the >relaxed style and attitude about clothes while >you can; when working its different. I'm a >continuing education student but I also am >looking for work and have an internship now. So, >I got to wondering about clothes and styles. >Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Carly >Mihalakis Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:21 >AM To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing list ; National Association of Blind >Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] >clothes shopping and organizing Hi, >Ashley, I used to be all confounded by >an idea of oh my god, not MATCHING! Yet, since >my life partner is blind I don't feel I need to >match for him, as well as my figuring out the >more important things in life than whether your >clothes, match. I don't work, I'm a college >student. I dress up for school though, and I >memorize what different articles of clothing go >together. I fell so much better after letting >that whole matching cocophony, go. It won't kill >ya, contrary to how I used to think, and how you >probably, think! Good luck, my sister! CarAt >07:27 PM 10/17/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi >all, So, I was wondering about clothes shopping. >Do you shop alone or >with friends or family? If >you go alone, who assist you? Do you use >a >personal shopper and if so, how does that >work? I wonder if most major >department stores >have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, >I know >they will accommodate and help us, but a >personal shopper would know how to >find clothes >for different types of people and be used to >suggesting >clothes. I’ve only shopped a >little alone for clothes; in in my >experience >they seem short staffed and they did >help me but I usually had to wait a >while. My >mother tends to select things she feels look >good, but I think >they are probably her style, >not always mine. Also, anyone know >what >business casual means? I ask because >offices I’ve worked at often say >this but >that seems to be be a big catch all phrase. I >realize it means nice >clothes; no jeans; slacks >of course; maybe nice blouses and vests. >Also, >anyone want to share a system for >organizing clothes in the closet? How do >you >know pieces of outfits go together once you wash >them? Thanks. >Ashley >_________________________________________ >______ nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l >_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 06:01:04 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 23:01:04 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20121017224228.01df23f0@comcast.net> References: <9189062DE37649BD9BF878AB30E4C00C@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20121017221712.01c5ef20@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20121017224228.01df23f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: I tend to go shopping with friends. Nicer department stores do have personal shoppers. They will be good at knowing what looks good on you, very good. But that is their job, and sometimes you need to be specific about a price range or they will instinctively bring you the most expensive option that will look good on you. Finding a friend or personal shopper who can tell you what colors look good on you can be valuable. If you know your style, you can more easily shop by yourself even in stores that don't offer the best assistance. For example, a blind friend of mind and I went shopping to 2 cheaper stores the other day. We had to wait in line at the cash register and get someone to help us find sizes. These workres were clearly not interested in spending a lot of their time helping us. So we came in with a goal. At one point, the shopper just brought me a bunch of jeans that fit my description. Is it ideal? No. But the jeans were $10, and I hate to say it, but you get what you pay for and that includes service. Does it mean I am going to charge my credit cards just so I can get the best service? No. I am going to continue to buy clothes that are in my price range, and in my opinion, every time I get crappy service, I am showing another store another time how important good service is, and that people actually use it and appreciate it. I would say that for discount stores like Ross or Nordstrom Rack, you really have to be with a friend. i have known people to be flat out refused assistance at them. That really makes me sick and I hate it, but sometimes you have to pick your battles. If you want to argue that, go in when you really aren't in dire need of clothes. But when you do need clothes, and you want to go bargain shopping, find a friend who enjoys shopping and buy them lunch. I don't know official definitions, but if I was told that an event was business casual, I would wear nice pants or a skirt, shoes that are not sandals, and a button-down shirt, or something that isn't too "going out." I wear button-down shirts a lot, but you can find more feminine and nice clothes. Just make sure they aren't too busy with different colors and definitely no sparkles. That's why I usually just stay safe with button downs, because they look very professional. But I am trying to be more creative. You can organize socks with safety pins. Also, I think there is something to be said about having a fashionable friend look through your closet every once in a while to remind you of what looks good. I have a pretty good memory, but I only had to look professional sporadically until I got a job. I have found that when I don't wear clothes often, I forget things about them. So just ask people to remind you of what color things are or what they look good with if you can't remember them or don't have the resources to label all of your clothes. Cindy On 10/17/12, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Hi, Ashley, > > Guess I never thought of that and, though I dress > up for school, I don't typically wear stockings, > finding them much too confining. Perhaps, someone > with experience in this realm ought to jump in, > here. Off the top of my head though, You know > those shoe racks that hang in your closet, or > upon the closet door? You could use those to > separate different colorded stockings, affixing > labels to the pockets. Of course, there's keeping > them separate, I don't know how practical such a strategy is. > Let us know what you decide and, don't hesitate > to apply some creativity, and out of the box thinking in this. > Good luck, sis! At 10:35 PM 10/17/2012, you wrote: >>Car, Well, I think as you do for casual school >>clothes. I wear jeans and what feels >>comfortable. But when you are working, you need >>to wear business casual clothes. This is where >>I'm more concerned. I also have stockings and >>socks that I need to keep matched. How do you >>know the color and keep them matched? Enjoy the >>relaxed style and attitude about clothes while >>you can; when working its different. I'm a >>continuing education student but I also am >>looking for work and have an internship now. So, >>I got to wondering about clothes and styles. >>Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Carly >>Mihalakis Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:21 >>AM To: National Association of Blind Students >>mailing list ; National Association of Blind >>Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] >>clothes shopping and organizing Hi, >>Ashley, I used to be all confounded by >>an idea of oh my god, not MATCHING! Yet, since >>my life partner is blind I don't feel I need to >>match for him, as well as my figuring out the >>more important things in life than whether your >>clothes, match. I don't work, I'm a college >>student. I dress up for school though, and I >>memorize what different articles of clothing go >>together. I fell so much better after letting >>that whole matching cocophony, go. It won't kill >>ya, contrary to how I used to think, and how you >>probably, think! Good luck, my sister! CarAt >>07:27 PM 10/17/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi >>all, So, I was wondering about clothes shopping. >>Do you shop alone or >with friends or family? If >>you go alone, who assist you? Do you use >>a >personal shopper and if so, how does that >>work? I wonder if most major >department stores >>have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, >>I know >they will accommodate and help us, but a >>personal shopper would know how to >find clothes >>for different types of people and be used to >>suggesting >clothes. I’ve only shopped a >>little alone for clothes; in in my >>experience >they seem short staffed and they did >>help me but I usually had to wait a >while. My >>mother tends to select things she feels look >>good, but I think >they are probably her style, >>not always mine. Also, anyone know >>what >business casual means? I ask because >>offices I’ve worked at often say >this but >>that seems to be be a big catch all phrase. I >>realize it means nice >clothes; no jeans; slacks >>of course; maybe nice blouses and vests. >>Also, >anyone want to share a system for >>organizing clothes in the closet? How do >you >>know pieces of outfits go together once you wash >>them? Thanks. >>Ashley >_________________________________________ >>______ nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for >>nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l >>_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 11:21:58 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 06:21:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing Message-ID: <507fe65e.0cd4640a.2b58.ffffc516@mx.google.com> Carly,=20while=20I=20respect=20your=20opinion,=20I=20disagree=20with=20you.= =20When=20 you=20do=20eventually=20start=20to=20do=20job=20interview=20and=20work,=20y= ou=20 definitely=20need=20to=20match.=20If=20you=20walk=20into=20an=20office=20wi= th=20 mismatched=20clothes,=20you'll=20make=20the=20wrong=20first=20impression=20= on=20 your=20employer,=20clients,=20and=20other=20coworkers. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Carly=20Mihalakis=20,"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20 mailing=20list"=20 I=20use=20my=20phone=20to=20color=20identify=20my=20clothes.=20I=20just=20m= emorize=20the=20 colors=20that=20go=20together. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Cindy=20Bennett=20=20wrote: =20Hi,=20Ashley, =20Guess=20I=20never=20thought=20of=20that=20and,=20though=20I=20dress =20up=20for=20school,=20I=20don't=20typically=20wear=20stockings, =20finding=20them=20much=20too=20confining.=20Perhaps,=20someone =20with=20experience=20in=20this=20realm=20ought=20to=20jump=20in, =20here.=20Off=20the=20top=20of=20my=20head=20though,=20You=20know =20those=20shoe=20racks=20that=20hang=20in=20your=20closet,=20or =20upon=20the=20closet=20door?=20You=20could=20use=20those=20to =20separate=20different=20colorded=20stockings,=20affixing =20labels=20to=20the=20pockets.=20Of=20course,=20there's=20keeping =20them=20separate,=20I=20don't=20know=20how=20practical=20such=20a=20strat= egy=20is. =20Let=20us=20know=20what=20you=20decide=20and,=20don't=20hesitate =20to=20apply=20some=20creativity,=20and=20out=20of=20the=20box=20thinking= =20in=20this. =20Good=20luck,=20sis!=20At=2010:35=20PM=2010/17/2012,=20you=20wrote: Car,=20Well,=20I=20think=20as=20you=20do=20for=20casual=20school clothes.=20I=20wear=20jeans=20and=20what=20feels comfortable.=20But=20when=20you=20are=20working,=20you=20need to=20wear=20business=20casual=20clothes.=20This=20is=20where I'm=20more=20concerned.=20I=20also=20have=20stockings=20and socks=20that=20I=20need=20to=20keep=20matched.=20How=20do=20you know=20the=20color=20and=20keep=20them=20matched?=20Enjoy=20the relaxed=20style=20and=20attitude=20about=20clothes=20while you=20can;=20when=20working=20its=20different.=20I'm=20a continuing=20education=20student=20but=20I=20also=20am looking=20for=20work=20and=20have=20an=20internship=20now.=20So, I=20got=20to=20wondering=20about=20clothes=20and=20styles. Ashley=20-----Original=20Message-----=20From:=20Carly Mihalakis=20Sent:=20Thursday,=20October=2018,=202012=201:21 AM=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students mailing=20list=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind Students=20mailing=20list=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l] clothes=20shopping=20and=20organizing=20Hi, Ashley,=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20I=20used=20to=20be=20all=20confounded= =20by an=20idea=20of=20oh=20my=20god,=20not=20MATCHING!=20Yet,=20since my=20life=20partner=20is=20blind=20I=20don't=20feel=20I=20need=20to match=20for=20him,=20as=20well=20as=20my=20figuring=20out=20the more=20important=20things=20in=20life=20than=20whether=20your clothes,=20match.=20I=20don't=20work,=20I'm=20a=20college student.=20I=20dress=20up=20for=20school=20though,=20and=20I memorize=20what=20different=20articles=20of=20clothing=20go together.=20I=20fell=20so=20much=20better=20after=20letting that=20whole=20matching=20cocophony,=20go.=20It=20won't=20kill ya,=20contrary=20to=20how=20I=20used=20to=20think,=20and=20how=20you probably,=20think!=20Good=20luck,=20my=20sister!=20CarAt 07:27=20PM=2010/17/2012,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20wrote:=20>Hi all,=20So,=20I=20was=20wondering=20about=20clothes=20shopping. Do=20you=20shop=20alone=20or=20>with=20friends=20or=20family?=20If you=20go=20alone,=20who=20assist=20you?=20Do=20you=20use a=20>personal=20shopper=20and=20if=20so,=20how=20does=20that work?=20I=20wonder=20if=20most=20major=20>department=20stores have=20personal=20shoppers;=20whether=20they=20do=20or=20not, I=20know=20>they=20will=20accommodate=20and=20help=20us,=20but=20a personal=20shopper=20would=20know=20how=20to=20>find=20clothes for=20different=20types=20of=20people=20and=20be=20used=20to suggesting=20>clothes.=20I=C3=A2=80=99ve=20only=20shopped=20a little=20alone=20for=20clothes;=20in=20in=20my experience=20>they=20seem=20short=20staffed=20and=20they=20did help=20me=20but=20I=20usually=20had=20to=20wait=20a=20>while.=20My mother=20tends=20to=20select=20things=20she=20feels=20look good,=20but=20I=20think=20>they=20are=20=20probably=20her=20style, not=20always=20mine.=20Also,=20anyone=20know what=20>business=20casual=20means?=20I=20ask=20because offices=20I=C3=A2=80=99ve=20worked=20at=20often=20say=20>this=20but that=20seems=20to=20be=20be=20a=20big=20catch=20all=20phrase.=20I realize=20it=20means=20nice=20>clothes;=20no=20jeans;=20slacks of=20course;=20maybe=20nice=20blouses=20and=20vests. Also,=20>anyone=20want=20to=20share=20a=20system=20for organizing=20clothes=20in=20the=20closet?=20How=20do=20>you know=20pieces=20of=20outfits=20go=20together=20once=20you=20wash them?=20Thanks. Ashley=20>_________________________________________ ______=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20>nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20>unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get your=20account=20info=20for nabs-l:=20>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l _nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get your=20account=20info=20for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get your=20account=20info=20for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co mcast.net References: <507fe65e.0cd4640a.2b58.ffffc516@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20121018051855.01c65860@comcast.net> Good morning, Ashley, But I am aware of the wisdom of paying attention to such things as matching if I am making a,or crutial, first impression or am serving as a face of a company like at a job interview. Remember, I am in the habit of dressing p for school, daily. >Carly, while I respect your opinion, I disagree >with you. When you do eventually start to do job >interview and work, you definitely need to >match. If you walk into an office with >mismatched clothes, you'll make the wrong first >impression on your employer, clients, and other coworkers. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Carly Mihalakis To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing list ,"National >Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:21:51 -0700 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing > >Hi, Ashley, > > I used to be all confounded by an idea >of oh my god, not MATCHING! Yet, since my life >partner is blind I don't feel I need to match for >him, as well as my figuring out the more >important things in life than whether your >clothes, match. I don't work, I'm a college >student. I dress up for school though, and I >memorize what different articles of clothing go >together. I fell so much better after letting >that whole matching cocophony, go. It won't kill >ya, contrary to how I used to think, and how you probably, think! >Good luck, my sister! >CarAt 07:27 PM 10/17/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, So, I was wondering about clothes >shopping. Do you shop alone or with friends or >family? If you go alone, who assist you? Do you >use a personal shopper and if so, how does that >work? I wonder if most major department stores >have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, >I know they will accommodate and help us, but a >personal shopper would know how to find clothes >for different types of people and be used to >suggesting clothes. I’ve only shopped a little >alone for clothes; in my experience they seem >short staffed and they did help me but I usually >had to wait a while. My mother tends to select >things she feels look good, but I think they >are probably her style, not always mine. Also, >anyone know what business casual means? I ask >because offices I’ve worked at often say this >but that seems to be a big catch all phrase. I >realize it means nice clothes; no jeans; slacks >of course; maybe nice blouses and vests. Also, >anyone want to share a system for organizing >clothes in the closet? How do you know pieces of >outfits go together once you wash them? Thanks. >Ashley >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co >mcast.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >r%40gmail.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 13:19:44 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:19:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing In-Reply-To: <507fe65e.0cd4640a.2b58.ffffc516@mx.google.com> References: <507fe65e.0cd4640a.2b58.ffffc516@mx.google.com> Message-ID: another thing that i do, is i hang my clothes in outfits, so i do not have to rush in the morning, as i am not very coherent at 6 a m, and that is what time i have to get. Sent from my iPad On Oct 18, 2012, at 7:21, Sophie Trist wrote: > Carly, while I respect your opinion, I disagree with you. When you do eventually start to do job interview and work, you definitely need to match. If you walk into an office with mismatched clothes, you'll make the wrong first impression on your employer, clients, and other coworkers. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly Mihalakis To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ,"National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:21:51 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing > > Hi, Ashley, > > I used to be all confounded by an idea > of oh my god, not MATCHING! Yet, since my life > partner is blind I don't feel I need to match for > him, as well as my figuring out the more > important things in life than whether your > clothes, match. I don't work, I'm a college > student. I dress up for school though, and I > memorize what different articles of clothing go > together. I fell so much better after letting > that whole matching cocophony, go. It won't kill > ya, contrary to how I used to think, and how you probably, think! > Good luck, my sister! > CarAt 07:27 PM 10/17/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, So, I was wondering about clothes > shopping. Do you shop alone or with friends or > family? If you go alone, who assist you? Do you > use a personal shopper and if so, how does that > work? I wonder if most major department stores > have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, > I know they will accommodate and help us, but a > personal shopper would know how to find clothes > for different types of people and be used to > suggesting clothes. I€™ve only shopped a little > alone for clothes; in my experience they seem > short staffed and they did help me but I usually > had to wait a while. My mother tends to select > things she feels look good, but I think they > are probably her style, not always mine. Also, > anyone know what business casual means? I ask > because offices I€™ve worked at often say this > but that seems to be a big catch all phrase. I > realize it means nice clothes; no jeans; slacks > of course; maybe nice blouses and vests. Also, > anyone want to share a system for organizing > clothes in the closet? How do you know pieces of > outfits go together once you wash them? Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 13:17:19 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:17:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20121018051855.01c65860@comcast.net> References: <507fe65e.0cd4640a.2b58.ffffc516@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121018051855.01c65860@comcast.net> Message-ID: <15CC3032-D588-4582-82BF-CA94C7EA9E2B@gmail.com> where i work, i have to dress brightley colored. but i love bright colors so it is easy for me. i picked a job that would fit my color obession. Sent from my iPad On Oct 18, 2012, at 8:25, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good morning, Ashley, > > But I am aware of the wisdom of paying attention to such things as matching if I am making a,or crutial, first impression or am serving as a face of a company like at a job interview. Remember, I am in the habit of dressing p for school, daily. >> Carly, while I respect your opinion, I disagree with you. When you do eventually start to do job interview and work, you definitely need to match. If you walk into an office with mismatched clothes, you'll make the wrong first impression on your employer, clients, and other coworkers. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Carly Mihalakis > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ,"National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:21:51 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing >> >> Hi, Ashley, >> >> I used to be all confounded by an idea >> of oh my god, not MATCHING! Yet, since my life >> partner is blind I don't feel I need to match for >> him, as well as my figuring out the more >> important things in life than whether your >> clothes, match. I don't work, I'm a college >> student. I dress up for school though, and I >> memorize what different articles of clothing go >> together. I fell so much better after letting >> that whole matching cocophony, go. It won't kill >> ya, contrary to how I used to think, and how you probably, think! >> Good luck, my sister! >> CarAt 07:27 PM 10/17/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, So, I was wondering about clothes >> shopping. Do you shop alone or with friends or >> family? If you go alone, who assist you? Do you >> use a personal shopper and if so, how does that >> work? I wonder if most major department stores >> have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, >> I know they will accommodate and help us, but a >> personal shopper would know how to find clothes >> for different types of people and be used to >> suggesting clothes. I’ve only shopped a little >> alone for clothes; in my experience they seem >> short staffed and they did help me but I usually >> had to wait a while. My mother tends to select >> things she feels look good, but I think they >> are probably her style, not always mine. Also, >> anyone know what business casual means? I ask >> because offices I’ve worked at often say this >> but that seems to be a big catch all phrase. I >> realize it means nice clothes; no jeans; slacks >> of course; maybe nice blouses and vests. Also, >> anyone want to share a system for organizing >> clothes in the closet? How do you know pieces of >> outfits go together once you wash them? Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co >> mcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Thu Oct 18 13:39:40 2012 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:39:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20121018051855.01c65860@comcast.net> References: <507fe65e.0cd4640a.2b58.ffffc516@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121018051855.01c65860@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DDEC1@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> I don't like shopping with other people, except maybe a friend occasionally. I could never rely on a stranger who works at a store to help me pick out things. Usually, I find pick up a bunch of items that I like. I can usually tell if it’s the correct size by how if feels. Then I try it on and take my final selections to the register. At the register I always ask them to tell me the color and if the item has any print. If the print sounds freaky I tell them I don't want the item and they don't mind putting it back for me. Matching isn't really that hard. Most dress pants for the office are neutral colors, black, gray, tan, ETC. You can where jeans with any thing. I like dresses also and dresses are really simple to match with shoes. I rarely buy a complete outfit that can not be mixed and matched with other stuff in my closet. Once I buy something I always remember what color it is. They do have color identifiers for people who struggle with that kind of thing. I really love clothes so I make it a point to remember. The mile stone device has a pretty good color identifier that provides detailed info about the color of the item. You can remember what items go together by how they feel. Material and texture are rarely the same so attending to those details will help you differentiate items. I've had to develop techniques for shopping as independently as possible because I'm super picky and have very different tastes from my mother and sister. Also, I like shopping at smaller stores much more than shopping at department stores. The items are less generic and its easier to find what you need. I hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:25 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing Good morning, Ashley, But I am aware of the wisdom of paying attention to such things as matching if I am making a,or crutial, first impression or am serving as a face of a company like at a job interview. Remember, I am in the habit of dressing p for school, daily. >Carly, while I respect your opinion, I disagree with you. When you do >eventually start to do job interview and work, you definitely need to >match. If you walk into an office with mismatched clothes, you'll make >the wrong first impression on your employer, clients, and other >coworkers. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Carly Mihalakis To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >,"National Association of Blind Students mailing >list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing > >Hi, Ashley, > > I used to be all confounded by an idea of oh my god, not >MATCHING! Yet, since my life partner is blind I don't feel I need to >match for him, as well as my figuring out the more important things in >life than whether your clothes, match. I don't work, I'm a college >student. I dress up for school though, and I memorize what different >articles of clothing go together. I fell so much better after letting >that whole matching cocophony, go. It won't kill ya, contrary to how I >used to think, and how you probably, think! >Good luck, my sister! >CarAt 07:27 PM 10/17/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, So, I was wondering about clothes shopping. Do you shop alone >or with friends or family? If you go alone, who assist you? Do you use >a personal shopper and if so, how does that work? I wonder if most >major department stores have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, >I know they will accommodate and help us, but a personal shopper would >know how to find clothes for different types of people and be used to >suggesting clothes. I’ve only shopped a little alone for clothes; in >my experience they seem short staffed and they did help me but I >usually had to wait a while. My mother tends to select things she feels >look good, but I think they are probably her style, not always mine. >Also, anyone know what business casual means? I ask because offices >I’ve worked at often say this but that seems to be a big catch all >phrase. I realize it means nice clothes; no jeans; slacks of course; >maybe nice blouses and vests. Also, anyone want to share a system for >organizing clothes in the closet? How do you know pieces of outfits go >together once you wash them? Thanks. >Ashley >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co >mcast.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >r%40gmail.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 13:49:18 2012 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:49:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing References: <507fe65e.0cd4640a.2b58.ffffc516@mx.google.com><7.0.1.0.2.20121018051855.01c65860@comcast.net> <15CC3032-D588-4582-82BF-CA94C7EA9E2B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <09EAD14B82D54B1A8C05DA096D9F861F@Gloria> Hi, If you don't mind my asking, where do you work taht you can dress so fun? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavonya Gardner" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing > where i work, i have to dress brightley colored. but i love bright colors > so it is easy for me. i picked a job that would fit my color obession. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 18, 2012, at 8:25, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > >> Good morning, Ashley, >> >> But I am aware of the wisdom of paying attention to such things as >> matching if I am making a,or crutial, first impression or am serving as a >> face of a company like at a job interview. Remember, I am in the habit of >> dressing p for school, daily. >>> Carly, while I respect your opinion, I disagree with you. When you do >>> eventually start to do job interview and work, you definitely need to >>> match. If you walk into an office with mismatched clothes, you'll make >>> the wrong first impression on your employer, clients, and other >>> coworkers. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Carly Mihalakis >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> ,"National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list" >> Date sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:21:51 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing >>> >>> Hi, Ashley, >>> >>> I used to be all confounded by an idea >>> of oh my god, not MATCHING! Yet, since my life >>> partner is blind I don't feel I need to match for >>> him, as well as my figuring out the more >>> important things in life than whether your >>> clothes, match. I don't work, I'm a college >>> student. I dress up for school though, and I >>> memorize what different articles of clothing go >>> together. I fell so much better after letting >>> that whole matching cocophony, go. It won't kill >>> ya, contrary to how I used to think, and how you probably, think! >>> Good luck, my sister! >>> CarAt 07:27 PM 10/17/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, So, I was wondering about clothes >>> shopping. Do you shop alone or with friends or >>> family? If you go alone, who assist you? Do you >>> use a personal shopper and if so, how does that >>> work? I wonder if most major department stores >>> have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, >>> I know they will accommodate and help us, but a >>> personal shopper would know how to find clothes >>> for different types of people and be used to >>> suggesting clothes. I’ve only shopped a little >>> alone for clothes; in my experience they seem >>> short staffed and they did help me but I usually >>> had to wait a while. My mother tends to select >>> things she feels look good, but I think they >>> are probably her style, not always mine. Also, >>> anyone know what business casual means? I ask >>> because offices I’ve worked at often say this >>> but that seems to be a big catch all phrase. I >>> realize it means nice clothes; no jeans; slacks >>> of course; maybe nice blouses and vests. Also, >>> anyone want to share a system for organizing >>> clothes in the closet? How do you know pieces of >>> outfits go together once you wash them? Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co >>> mcast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 16:37:30 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:37:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing In-Reply-To: <09EAD14B82D54B1A8C05DA096D9F861F@Gloria> References: <507fe65e.0cd4640a.2b58.ffffc516@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121018051855.01c65860@comcast.net> <15CC3032-D588-4582-82BF-CA94C7EA9E2B@gmail.com> <09EAD14B82D54B1A8C05DA096D9F861F@Gloria> Message-ID: <1790B32A-97B9-4DD9-960E-7776C6214E30@gmail.com> Hi Gloria. This is LaVonnya. I work for more abilities. This is a work program for the arts. I dance, and write. So, I dress bright, and sparcley. I would not have any other way. I love it. I get to paint, and my boss got me red head phones, with blue and yellow high heals. We do have to ware business suites for the writing days, but they should be brigt. They adapt things for the blind very well. Sent from my iPad On Oct 18, 2012, at 9:49, "Gloria G" wrote: > Hi, > If you don't mind my asking, where do you work taht you can dress so fun? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavonya Gardner" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing > > >> where i work, i have to dress brightley colored. but i love bright colors so it is easy for me. i picked a job that would fit my color obession. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 18, 2012, at 8:25, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> >>> Good morning, Ashley, >>> >>> But I am aware of the wisdom of paying attention to such things as matching if I am making a,or crutial, first impression or am serving as a face of a company like at a job interview. Remember, I am in the habit of dressing p for school, daily. >>>> Carly, while I respect your opinion, I disagree with you. When you do eventually start to do job interview and work, you definitely need to match. If you walk into an office with mismatched clothes, you'll make the wrong first impression on your employer, clients, and other coworkers. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Carly Mihalakis >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ,"National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> Date sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:21:51 -0700 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing >>>> >>>> Hi, Ashley, >>>> >>>> I used to be all confounded by an idea >>>> of oh my god, not MATCHING! Yet, since my life >>>> partner is blind I don't feel I need to match for >>>> him, as well as my figuring out the more >>>> important things in life than whether your >>>> clothes, match. I don't work, I'm a college >>>> student. I dress up for school though, and I >>>> memorize what different articles of clothing go >>>> together. I fell so much better after letting >>>> that whole matching cocophony, go. It won't kill >>>> ya, contrary to how I used to think, and how you probably, think! >>>> Good luck, my sister! >>>> CarAt 07:27 PM 10/17/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, So, I was wondering about clothes >>>> shopping. Do you shop alone or with friends or >>>> family? If you go alone, who assist you? Do you >>>> use a personal shopper and if so, how does that >>>> work? I wonder if most major department stores >>>> have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, >>>> I know they will accommodate and help us, but a >>>> personal shopper would know how to find clothes >>>> for different types of people and be used to >>>> suggesting clothes. I’ve only shopped a little >>>> alone for clothes; in my experience they seem >>>> short staffed and they did help me but I usually >>>> had to wait a while. My mother tends to select >>>> things she feels look good, but I think they >>>> are probably her style, not always mine. Also, >>>> anyone know what business casual means? I ask >>>> because offices I’ve worked at often say this >>>> but that seems to be a big catch all phrase. I >>>> realize it means nice clothes; no jeans; slacks >>>> of course; maybe nice blouses and vests. Also, >>>> anyone want to share a system for organizing >>>> clothes in the closet? How do you know pieces of >>>> outfits go together once you wash them? Thanks. >>>> Ashley >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>> your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co >>>> mcast.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>> r%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 17:24:34 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:24:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving Magazines and Newspapers By Email Message-ID: <50803b55.096f650a.3d3f.ffff827b@mx.google.com> Hi Chris I'm looking for blindness specific and news magazines. Joshua Lester told me that I can get some of them from Nfb Newsline but I'm not a subscriber to that. What else can I do? Any help would be greatly appreciated. From carlymih at comcast.net Thu Oct 18 20:42:07 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:42:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing In-Reply-To: References: <507fe65e.0cd4640a.2b58.ffffc516@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20121018134123.01c5a140@comcast.net> As a matter of fact, I always lay out my clothes before a shower. I don't like to be rushed if I can avoid it. CarAt 06:19 AM 10/18/2012, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >another thing that i do, is i hang my clothes in >outfits, so i do not have to rush in the >morning, as i am not very coherent at 6 a m, and >that is what time i have to get. Sent from my >iPad On Oct 18, 2012, at 7:21, Sophie Trist > wrote: > Carly, while >I respect your opinion, I disagree with you. >When you do eventually start to do job interview >and work, you definitely need to match. If you >walk into an office with mismatched clothes, >you'll make the wrong first impression on your >employer, clients, and other coworkers. > > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly >Mihalakis To: National >Association of Blind Students mailing list >,"National Association of >Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 >22:21:51 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes >shopping and organizing > > Hi, >Ashley, > > I used to be all confounded >by an idea > of oh my god, not MATCHING! Yet, >since my life > partner is blind I don't feel I >need to match for > him, as well as my figuring >out the more > important things in life than >whether your > clothes, match. I don't work, I'm >a college > student. I dress up for school >though, and I > memorize what different articles >of clothing go > together. I fell so much better >after letting > that whole matching cocophony, >go. It won't kill > ya, contrary to how I used >to think, and how you probably, think! > Good >luck, my sister! > CarAt 07:27 PM 10/17/2012, >Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, So, I was >wondering about clothes > shopping. Do you shop >alone or with friends or > family? If you go >alone, who assist you? Do you > use a personal >shopper and if so, how does that > work? I >wonder if most major department stores > have >personal shoppers; whether they do or not, > I >know they will accommodate and help us, but a > >personal shopper would know how to find >clothes > for different types of people and be >used to > suggesting clothes. I€™ve only >shopped a little > alone for clothes; in my >experience they seem > short staffed and they >did help me but I usually > had to wait a while. >My mother tends to select > things she feels >look good, but I think they > are probably her >style, not always mine. Also, > anyone know what >business casual means? I ask > because offices >I€™ve worked at often say this > but that >seems to be a big catch all phrase. I > realize >it means nice clothes; no jeans; slacks > of >course; maybe nice blouses and vests. Also, > >anyone want to share a system for organizing > >clothes in the closet? How do you know pieces >of > outfits go together once you wash them? >Thanks. > Ashley > >_______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get > your account info for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co > > mcast.net > > > >_______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > > r%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 20:44:01 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:44:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20121018134123.01c5a140@comcast.net> References: <507fe65e.0cd4640a.2b58.ffffc516@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121018134123.01c5a140@comcast.net> Message-ID: <-82199936147891310@unknownmsgid> I don't do that, but that's a good idea! I might try it! Thanks for the idea, Carly! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 18, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > As a matter of fact, I always lay out my clothes before a shower. > I don't like to be rushed if I can avoid it. > CarAt 06:19 AM 10/18/2012, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >> another thing that i do, is i hang my clothes in outfits, so i do not have to rush in the morning, as i am not very coherent at 6 a m, and that is what time i have to get. Sent from my iPad On Oct 18, 2012, at 7:21, Sophie Trist wrote: > Carly, while I respect your opinion, I disagree with you. When you do eventually start to do job interview and work, you definitely need to match. If you walk into an office with mismatched clothes, you'll make the wrong first impression on your employer, clients, and other coworkers. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly Mihalakis To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ,"National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:21:51 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing > > Hi, Ashley, > > I used to be all confounded by an idea > of oh my god, not MATCHING! Yet, since my life > partner is blind I don't feel I need to match for > him, as well as my figuring out the more > important things in life than whether your > clothes, match. I don't work, I'm a college > student. I dress up for school though, and I > memorize what different articles of clothing go > together. I fell so much better after letting > that whole matching cocophony, go. It won't kill > ya, contrary to how I used to think, and how you probably, think! > Good luck, my sister! > CarAt 07:27 PM 10/17/2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, So, I was wondering about clothes > shopping. Do you shop alone or with friends or > family? If you go alone, who assist you? Do you > use a personal shopper and if so, how does that > work? I wonder if most major department stores > have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, > I know they will accommodate and help us, but a > personal shopper would know how to find clothes > for different types of people and be used to > suggesting clothes. I€™ve only shopped a little > alone for clothes; in my experience they seem > short staffed and they did help me but I usually > had to wait a while. My mother tends to select > things she feels look good, but I think they > are probably her style, not always mine. Also, > anyone know what business casual means? I ask > because offices I€™ve worked at often say this > but that seems to be a big catch all phrase. I > realize it means nice clothes; no jeans; slacks > of course; maybe nice blouses and vests. Also, > anyone want to share a system for organizing > clothes in the closet? How do you know pieces of > outfits go together once you wash them? Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Oct 18 20:53:03 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:53:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing In-Reply-To: <507fe65e.0cd4640a.2b58.ffffc516@mx.google.com> References: <507fe65e.0cd4640a.2b58.ffffc516@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, right. Sophie are you working? -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:21 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing Carly, while I respect your opinion, I disagree with you. When you do eventually start to do job interview and work, you definitely need to match. If you walk into an office with mismatched clothes, you'll make the wrong first impression on your employer, clients, and other coworkers. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly Mihalakis ,"National Association of Blind Students mailing list" References: <9189062DE37649BD9BF878AB30E4C00C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, As a recent student who has just entered the workforce, this is something I have been working on lately. I have tried several things and will share them here in case they can spark an idea. Shopping: I prefer to go shopping with someone I trust has a decent fashion sense and will tell me if something doesn't look right etc. I love to go with my sister because she is about my age and I know she has a grasp on what looks good. She also really enjoys it so its a good opportunity to have brother/sister time. For many people, shopping is a social event, so don't be afraid to take someone with you if you can. Organization in the closet: Maybe it is different with women's clothes, but I can't tell most of my dress shirts apart by touch. The same is true for my nicer pants, especially because if I find a cut that fits me really well, I generally buy a few pants or shirts in different colors. The most complicated strategy I have used to keep my closet organized was to use puff paint to put a braille number on the tag of each item in my closet. I then created a spreadsheet with descriptions of each item and possible matches. This got really crazy when you start to add vests, jackets, ties, etc. It took a lot of prep work in the beginning and help from others, but I had tons of information about what I was wearing and felt more confident getting creative with what I wanted to wear. The strategy I am using now is the "Keep it simple" strategy. I have navy and khaki pants that I wear to work. I have several shirts in various colors that will match either the navy or the khaki pants. I use a color identifier app on my phone to double check sometimes, but in general, I know I can't mess up too bad. There are one or two items that will not go with the navy, but I know what those feel like or make sure to use the color identifier if I am not sure. Using both strategies I was confident that I looked professional. It just depends on how much info you want and how much time/assistance you have to get things set up in the first place. Hopefully some of this was helpful. -Greg On Oct 17, 2012, at 10:27 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Hi all, > > So, I was wondering about clothes shopping. Do you shop alone or with friends or family? > If you go alone, who assist you? Do you use a personal shopper and if so, how does that work? > > I wonder if most major department stores have personal shoppers; whether they do or not, I know they will accommodate and help us, but a personal shopper would know how to find clothes for different types of people and be used to suggesting clothes. > > I’ve only shopped a little alone for clothes; in my experience they seem short staffed and they did help me but I usually had to wait a while. > My mother tends to select things she feels look good, but I think they are probably her style, not always mine. > > Also, anyone know what business casual means? I ask because offices I’ve worked at often say this but that seems to be a > big catch all phrase. I realize it means nice clothes; no jeans; slacks of course; maybe nice blouses and vests. > > Also, anyone want to share a system for organizing clothes in the closet? How do you know pieces of outfits go together once you wash them? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 20:58:26 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:58:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving Magazines and Newspapers By Email In-Reply-To: <50803b55.096f650a.3d3f.ffff827b@mx.google.com> References: <50803b55.096f650a.3d3f.ffff827b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3980899307557162257@unknownmsgid> If you are a subscriber to book share, you can get newspapers and magazines from their newspapers and magazines section on the book share website. Also, another good blindest magazine is the Matilda Ziegler Magazine, which is a weekly electronic publication with information and articles of interest to blind people. You can get this by email. Their Web site is matildaziegler.com. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Oct 18, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hi Chris I'm looking for blindness specific and news magazines. Joshua Lester told me that I can get some of them from Nfb Newsline but I'm not a subscriber to that. What else can I do? 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If, for any reason, you do not wish to receive our newsletter in future, just visit the below link: http://www.BrailleBookstore.com/mailing.php?Act=Unsub&Email=cullen.gallagher at gmail.com Cordially, All your Friends at Future Aids The Braille Superstore A Division of MarvelSoft Enterprises, Inc. _______________________________________________ Mm-friends mailing list Mm-friends at acbradio.org http://acbradio.org/mailman/listinfo/mm-friends From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 01:07:56 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 21:07:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar and Docs In-Reply-To: <2609A2C5-54D6-44AD-BF7E-2AF2AD47024B@gmail.com> References: <2609A2C5-54D6-44AD-BF7E-2AF2AD47024B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2982034648436100234@unknownmsgid> What are you having problems with? I don't know anything about Google plus, but it might help us if we knew the specifics of your problem so we can decide whether it's accessible or not. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 18, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > hi all > i use gogle plus at work, and can not get it to work, help please. > thanks > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 17, 2012, at 22:05, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > >> Hi, >> google docs aren't accessible. As for calendar, if outlook sincs >> with google calendar, that might be an idea. Otherwise, perhaps, you and the staff can use something more accessible. >> -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Bennett >> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:49 PM >> To: National Asociation of Blind Students >> Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar and Docs >> >> My coworkers just love their Google calendars. I have found them to be >> partially accessible. I can make appointments, but I cannot create new >> calendars, share them, or switch calendar views independently. I have >> similar troubles when I use my phone. One coworker shared her >> calaendar with me, and now I get reminders that she has set for her >> own appointments that aren't even mine which is annoying. I am also >> unable to differentiate her appointments from mine as the only view I >> can access right now is the comprehensive view of my calendars. I have >> done quite a bit of exploring, and a lot of the options such as >> settings just don't activate when I press space or enter on them. I >> have even tried right clicking them. >> >> I am curious if there are any applications like Outlook that could >> sync with my Google calendars that would allow me more accessibility. >> Or if there is a more accessible Google interface. I have clicked a >> link that supposedly changes the view to optomize accessibility, but >> in my opinion, unlike the awesome standard view on the GMail >> interface, this really didn't do anything. >> >> Also, I am curious about Google Docs. I need to do more exploring, but >> any advice is appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Cynthia Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> 828.989.5383 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 03:11:23 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:11:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar and Docs In-Reply-To: <2982034648436100234@unknownmsgid> References: <2609A2C5-54D6-44AD-BF7E-2AF2AD47024B@gmail.com> <2982034648436100234@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I cannot get gogle plus to do anything that i want. it keeps saying button, over and over. Sent from my iPad On Oct 18, 2012, at 21:07, christopher nusbaum wrote: > What are you having problems with? I don't know anything about Google > plus, but it might help us if we knew the specifics of your problem so > we can decide whether it's accessible or not. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 18, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > >> hi all >> i use gogle plus at work, and can not get it to work, help please. >> thanks >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 17, 2012, at 22:05, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> google docs aren't accessible. As for calendar, if outlook sincs >>> with google calendar, that might be an idea. Otherwise, perhaps, you and the staff can use something more accessible. >>> -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Bennett >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:49 PM >>> To: National Asociation of Blind Students >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar and Docs >>> >>> My coworkers just love their Google calendars. I have found them to be >>> partially accessible. I can make appointments, but I cannot create new >>> calendars, share them, or switch calendar views independently. I have >>> similar troubles when I use my phone. One coworker shared her >>> calaendar with me, and now I get reminders that she has set for her >>> own appointments that aren't even mine which is annoying. I am also >>> unable to differentiate her appointments from mine as the only view I >>> can access right now is the comprehensive view of my calendars. I have >>> done quite a bit of exploring, and a lot of the options such as >>> settings just don't activate when I press space or enter on them. I >>> have even tried right clicking them. >>> >>> I am curious if there are any applications like Outlook that could >>> sync with my Google calendars that would allow me more accessibility. >>> Or if there is a more accessible Google interface. I have clicked a >>> link that supposedly changes the view to optomize accessibility, but >>> in my opinion, unlike the awesome standard view on the GMail >>> interface, this really didn't do anything. >>> >>> Also, I am curious about Google Docs. I need to do more exploring, but >>> any advice is appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -- >>> Cynthia Bennett >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 03:26:07 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:26:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] introduction Message-ID: greetings everyone, I am Mauricio Almeida. Originally from Brazil, I currently study at Michigan State university as an international relations major, in order to become a diplomat working for the brazilian government. in brazil, our NFB is very much so in its beginning stages, so I am used with publicly advocating for student rights and the rights of the visually impaired in general. I have vast experience with computers also. It will be my pleasure to learn with every one of you and add my experiences to the NABS as we strive to improve our lives, so feel free to contact me privately or via list if you are in need of anything. also, my personal contacts are below for anyone interested. regards, Mauricio facebook: http://facebook.com/mauriciopmalmeida skype: mauriciopma10 cel: 517 899-4969 From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 03:34:05 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:34:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] help at work Message-ID: I have to use my ipad for gogle bloger. O downloaded bloger, on my ipad, and I am still trying to figure out gogle pluse, I haveto check messages on there, O do blog posts, and I can not do it from my laptop. because i have zoom text, and NVDA on my laptop, and aperently, gogle plus hates my screen readers. But I can check my g mail. who knows y Sent from my iPad From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 03:36:13 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:36:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] help at work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: greetings, I could not really understand your question, but here are a couple of suggestions regarding your issues with google: google docs: disable jaws application mode and try navigating then. blogger: i could not understand your issues, but i know for a given blogger is accessible. thank you mauricio On 10/18/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > I have to use my ipad for gogle bloger. O downloaded bloger, on my ipad, and > I am still trying to figure out gogle pluse, I haveto check messages on > there, O do blog posts, and I can not do it from my laptop. because i have > zoom text, and NVDA on my laptop, and aperently, gogle plus hates my screen > readers. But I can check my g mail. who knows y > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com > From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 03:47:50 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:47:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] help at work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C30BF3E-2766-49F0-9AA4-99A66210D698@gmail.com> i will do that. will it than let me use NVDA? Sent from my iPad On Oct 18, 2012, at 23:36, Mauricio Almeida wrote: > greetings, > I could not really understand your question, but here are a couple of > suggestions regarding your issues with google: > google docs: > disable jaws application mode and try navigating then. > blogger: i could not understand your issues, but i know for a given > blogger is accessible. > > thank you > > mauricio > > On 10/18/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >> I have to use my ipad for gogle bloger. O downloaded bloger, on my ipad, and >> I am still trying to figure out gogle pluse, I haveto check messages on >> there, O do blog posts, and I can not do it from my laptop. because i have >> zoom text, and NVDA on my laptop, and aperently, gogle plus hates my screen >> readers. But I can check my g mail. who knows y >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 05:03:49 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:03:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] help at work In-Reply-To: <9C30BF3E-2766-49F0-9AA4-99A66210D698@gmail.com> References: <9C30BF3E-2766-49F0-9AA4-99A66210D698@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Mauricio, What is JAWS application mode and how do you disable it? Arielle On 10/18/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: > i will do that. will it than let me use NVDA? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 18, 2012, at 23:36, Mauricio Almeida > wrote: > >> greetings, >> I could not really understand your question, but here are a couple of >> suggestions regarding your issues with google: >> google docs: >> disable jaws application mode and try navigating then. >> blogger: i could not understand your issues, but i know for a given >> blogger is accessible. >> >> thank you >> >> mauricio >> >> On 10/18/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >>> I have to use my ipad for gogle bloger. O downloaded bloger, on my ipad, >>> and >>> I am still trying to figure out gogle pluse, I haveto check messages on >>> there, O do blog posts, and I can not do it from my laptop. because i >>> have >>> zoom text, and NVDA on my laptop, and aperently, gogle plus hates my >>> screen >>> readers. But I can check my g mail. who knows y >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 05:26:40 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 01:26:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] help at work In-Reply-To: References: <9C30BF3E-2766-49F0-9AA4-99A66210D698@gmail.com> Message-ID: hello arielle, I should have been more specific, my apologies. when you try using google docs with jaws, it will automatically end up entering application mode, meaning, it will tell you "application mode on" and then it will sort of freeze. what i do is i press insert z, or capslock z (depending on your keyboard layout) and try navigating through the page. There was a script or tutorial a friend of mine made that made google docs way better, i'm not sure which, but i have e-mailed him and asked him about it. meanwhile, try seeing if that helps. also, i am wiling to help anyone privately with making sure things are adjusted for your needs technologically wise so long as you're whilling to tell me your issues. it is something i have done for years now through several medias, including skype/teamspeak. sincerely, mauricio On 10/19/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Mauricio, > What is JAWS application mode and how do you disable it? > Arielle > > On 10/18/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >> i will do that. will it than let me use NVDA? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 18, 2012, at 23:36, Mauricio Almeida >> wrote: >> >>> greetings, >>> I could not really understand your question, but here are a couple of >>> suggestions regarding your issues with google: >>> google docs: >>> disable jaws application mode and try navigating then. >>> blogger: i could not understand your issues, but i know for a given >>> blogger is accessible. >>> >>> thank you >>> >>> mauricio >>> >>> On 10/18/12, Lavonya Gardner wrote: >>>> I have to use my ipad for gogle bloger. O downloaded bloger, on my >>>> ipad, >>>> and >>>> I am still trying to figure out gogle pluse, I haveto check messages on >>>> there, O do blog posts, and I can not do it from my laptop. because i >>>> have >>>> zoom text, and NVDA on my laptop, and aperently, gogle plus hates my >>>> screen >>>> readers. But I can check my g mail. who knows y >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com > From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 05:50:47 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 01:50:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] multi platform accessibility on google products is apparently possible was: help at work Message-ID: dear all, When i started helping some of you with google products, i realized a few things. one, i had not used some of the products such as docks for a few months and so was unaware of themost recent issues. two, there seem to be ways in which all of these products can be accessible. here are a few links i found through google that may be proven useful. I have not tested them yet, but feel free to look and ask any questions/give your feed back. I will test them in detail tomorrow as well, but i wanted to give you a reply as quickly as possible. links: Chrome vox project: http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox chromevox explanations and support thread: http://support.google.com/drive/bin/answer.py?hl=en&topic=2375070&answer=2563039 I hope this helps, and I apologise for any mistaken feed back I provided earlier today. the information I gave is still valid for jaws users using the "old" google docks. once again, I will attempt to be more specific on my explanations. Regards, Mauricio From coasterfreak88 at me.com Fri Oct 19 08:16:39 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 03:16:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard issue has been resolved. Message-ID: <8A9C6488-5D14-48B7-A785-B68E0F59E1F9@me.com> In our installation, there is a link on the home page after you log in that says, "Contact Teacher/Students." It turns out that that is what I needed to click to send email. Thanks for the advice though. From ashleejessandmark2012 at samobile.net Fri Oct 19 14:26:19 2012 From: ashleejessandmark2012 at samobile.net (Jess) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:26:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all Message-ID: 3f6bdfe0-ff20-4a3f-8c74-25a2814ac973@samobile.net Hi Koby, That is not right. The only legal way your mom could have done that is if she went for guardianship over you. I know a bit about this because my mom tried to do that after I broke up with my last boyfriend. It didn't last very long though because I moed out of the state that gave her the guardianship. Because the city where she lives doesn't have much stuff for a blind person to do. And, I met another guy and the town where we live in New Hampshire has a lot more to do . I've been in control of my money ever since the age of eighteen. And, I've only been living on my own for almost the last nine years. Your mom over reacted just a bit. I've overdrawn a fair bit of my bank accounts. My ex and I would do it all the time because we lived just outside of Buffalo New York for a year and we weren't on section eight so we had to pay full rent and our other bills. We were both getting SSI so at that time half of our money was just going to pay the rent. From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 16:44:27 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:44:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Voting call this Sunday Message-ID: For everyone, student or not. Greetings fellow blind students and NFB members, In the words of former U.S. president Franklyn D. Roosevelt, “Nobody will ever deprive American people of the right to vote accept for the American people themselves and the only way they could do this is by not voting.” As a result, it is the goal of the NABS Membership Committee to ensure that no one deprives themselves of their right to vote because of a lack of information on accessible voting. Thus we want to extend an invitation to take part in our October membership call “the ABC’s of voting.” Join us on October 21st to hear from Luanne Blake from our national center on how to register to vote, voter rights in terms of completing your ballot independently, and how to file a complaint if your rights are violated. What: The ABC’s of Voting Conference Call Who: Anyone, not just students! When: October 21, 2012 at 7:00 P.M. ET, 4:00 P.M. PT. Where: Conference Call, (530)881-1212 Code: 757-809-541 We look forward to you joining us! The NABS Membership Committee -- Darian Smith "Let's work together to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 17:17:53 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:17:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you all In-Reply-To: <5081635f.c42a320a.1aef.2332SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <5081635f.c42a320a.1aef.2332SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Jessie, If it's a joint account, it's perfectly legal. If it's an account that he is the soul owner of, it's not illegal. Best, Kirt On 10/19/12, Jess wrote: > Hi Koby, > That is not right. The only legal way your mom could have done that is > if she went for guardianship over you. I know a bit about this because > my mom tried to do that after I broke up with my last boyfriend. It > didn't last very long though because I moed out of the state that gave > her the guardianship. Because the city where she lives doesn't have > much stuff for a blind person to do. And, I met another guy and the > town where we live in New Hampshire has a lot more to do . I've been in > control of my money ever since the age of eighteen. And, I've only been > living on my own for almost the last nine years. Your mom over reacted > just a bit. I've overdrawn a fair bit of my bank accounts. My ex and I > would do it all the time because we lived just outside of Buffalo New > York for a year and we weren't on section eight so we had to pay full > rent and our other bills. We were both getting SSI so at that time half > of our money was just going to pay the rent. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 19:52:10 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:52:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping and organizing Message-ID: <5081af74.096f650a.1681.ffffb6cb@mx.google.com> No,=20I'm=20in=20high=20school. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20,"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students mailing=20list"=20 Hi all, Valerie Yingling, a paralegal with the NFB national office, asked me to help with a case involving access to biology. She is looking for the names and contact information of biology professors who have taught blind students and who have authorized accommodations so blind students can do microscope work for their courses. If you have a professor or TA who supervised your bio lab who you think would help with this case, please call Valerie at the national center at 410-659-9314 ext. 2440 You can also email the professor's name and contact info to me at arielle71 at gmail.com Thanks for your help! Best, Arielle From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 21:51:58 2012 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:51:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille for accented letters Message-ID: Hi all, I was wondering if any of you know of a resource that gives you the braille for accented letters? I'm taking Italian and would like to learn what the braille is for letters such as a grave, e grave, i grave, etc. Any help would be much appreciated. :) Thanks, Minh -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 22:14:44 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 18:14:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help Needed with Biology Access Case In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1370550259438733568@unknownmsgid> Are you looking for only college biology professors, or would you be interested in talking with some my high school/middle school biology teachers as well? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > Valerie Yingling, a paralegal with the NFB national office, asked me > to help with a case involving access to biology. She is looking for > the names and contact information of biology professors who have > taught blind students and who have authorized accommodations so blind > students can do microscope work for their courses. If you have a > professor or TA who supervised your bio lab who you think would help > with this case, please call Valerie at the national center at > 410-659-9314 ext. 2440 > You can also email the professor's name and contact info to me at > arielle71 at gmail.com > Thanks for your help! > Best, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 22:45:32 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:45:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Help Needed with Biology Access Case In-Reply-To: <1370550259438733568@unknownmsgid> References: <1370550259438733568@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I think they need college professors. Sorry! Arielle On 10/19/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Are you looking for only college biology professors, or would you be > interested in talking with some my high school/middle school biology > teachers as well? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Hi all, >> Valerie Yingling, a paralegal with the NFB national office, asked me >> to help with a case involving access to biology. She is looking for >> the names and contact information of biology professors who have >> taught blind students and who have authorized accommodations so blind >> students can do microscope work for their courses. If you have a >> professor or TA who supervised your bio lab who you think would help >> with this case, please call Valerie at the national center at >> 410-659-9314 ext. 2440 >> You can also email the professor's name and contact info to me at >> arielle71 at gmail.com >> Thanks for your help! >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From coasterfreak88 at me.com Sat Oct 20 00:08:51 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:08:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. Message-ID: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> I'm wondering if anyone else besides me has had an incident like the one I'm about to discuss. This does not have to necessarily be at a carnival; this can be anywhere. I am trying to figure out what to do to take action against the person involved in this situation and am looking for advice. I went to our state fair today to hang out at the carnival. I always have fun and today was no exception. I am a very big fan of walking through funhouses, especially the ones that are like obstacle courses with moving floors, turntables, and the like. My favorite one is a massive 4-story one called the King's Circus. First, let me say that it is absolutely crucial that a blind person get help when he/she walks through this. There are openings that you have to watch out for while navigating certain tricks and also some tricky maneuvering if you use a long cane. For instance, the first thing you encounter is a large turntable that you step on to to ride around to the entrance. You have to watch for an opening and the gap is too narrow to put your cane through once you step on and grab the pole. You have to step off while said platform is spinning and could have a really nasty accident if someone is not there to make sure you didn't miss it; I nearly have planted my face in the wall when trying to do it independently. I have been through this funhouse five times, not counting today, and have had no issues with getting help from attendants. The guys who ran it in the past were totally awesome and did not treat blindness as an issue. Today they didn't either. However, there was one attendant in particular who decided that it was necessary to publicly embarrass me. He asked my companion if he had ever heard of the school for the blind; I only found this out later because I went up to go down the 4-story slide from the top of the building. My companion chose not to as he is a big guy and the slide is a tight fit. No problem. HOwever, he then proceeded to yell to the entire funhouse that a blind person was there and getting ready to come down. I understand that I needed to wait until the person I was with got down the stairs, but was totally embarrassed by his actions. He did not let me get a word in either. This was the culmination of a series of incidents. First he made everyone cut in front of me at a particular floor trick that he thought I could not do. I proved him wrong on that one. However, he would not allow me to explore on my own like the other guys used to do. I was usually followed at a respectful distance and left to my own devices once I got past the entry turntable and moving stairs, only getting help when I needed to check that the path was clear and also to help me bypass things I did not want to do, like the hamster wheel. I do not mind waiting to go down the slide as someone has always told me when it is clear. He also made everyone go ahead of me because of blindness. Again, I could not get a word in to him to ask him to back off. I am trying to figure out what to do to take action against this person. I never got his name, but I do have a recording of the walk as evidence of what happened. Mind you, the funhouse was crowded today so I understand that I could not explore too much. But this guy clearly had low expectations and did not expect me to do anything independently. From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 02:00:00 2012 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:00:00 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A4D28F2425247AEBBCDEAA072E180A9@userPC> Welcome to the list. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mauricio Almeida Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 12:26 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] introduction greetings everyone, I am Mauricio Almeida. Originally from Brazil, I currently study at Michigan State university as an international relations major, in order to become a diplomat working for the brazilian government. in brazil, our NFB is very much so in its beginning stages, so I am used with publicly advocating for student rights and the rights of the visually impaired in general. I have vast experience with computers also. It will be my pleasure to learn with every one of you and add my experiences to the NABS as we strive to improve our lives, so feel free to contact me privately or via list if you are in need of anything. also, my personal contacts are below for anyone interested. regards, Mauricio facebook: http://facebook.com/mauriciopmalmeida skype: mauriciopma10 cel: 517 899-4969 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 04:24:55 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:24:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> Message-ID: <6D47EBA6FA28441DBD4E8B4216759970@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, I doubt you will encounter that guy again, but what you may wish to do is find the person in charge of the carnival and explain to them about blindness and needing workers who are willing to let you explore. If they give you some **** about safety being an issue, say that you're perfectly willing to sign a waver. Often times they get a little speechless and don't know what to say. At that point you explain to them that you have had extensive training starting from a very young age on how to navigate your world and because of this highly advanced training, the haunted house provides a very fun exercise in navigating active surroundings. If that guy does come to you again, I would ask to speak to his boss after he refuses to leave you alone. We just got to remember there are some people in this world who never learn and he may be one of them. Thank you, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: John Moore Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 5:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. I'm wondering if anyone else besides me has had an incident like the one I'm about to discuss. This does not have to necessarily be at a carnival; this can be anywhere. I am trying to figure out what to do to take action against the person involved in this situation and am looking for advice. I went to our state fair today to hang out at the carnival. I always have fun and today was no exception. I am a very big fan of walking through funhouses, especially the ones that are like obstacle courses with moving floors, turntables, and the like. My favorite one is a massive 4-story one called the King's Circus. First, let me say that it is absolutely crucial that a blind person get help when he/she walks through this. There are openings that you have to watch out for while navigating certain tricks and also some tricky maneuvering if you use a long cane. For instance, the first thing you encounter is a large turntable that you step on to to ride around to the entrance. You have to watch for an opening and the gap is too narrow to put your cane through once you step on and grab the pole. You have to step off while said platform is spinning and could have a really nasty accident if someone is not there to make sure you didn't miss it; I nearly have planted my face in the wall when trying to do it independently. I have been through this funhouse five times, not counting today, and have had no issues with getting help from attendants. The guys who ran it in the past were totally awesome and did not treat blindness as an issue. Today they didn't either. However, there was one attendant in particular who decided that it was necessary to publicly embarrass me. He asked my companion if he had ever heard of the school for the blind; I only found this out later because I went up to go down the 4-story slide from the top of the building. My companion chose not to as he is a big guy and the slide is a tight fit. No problem. HOwever, he then proceeded to yell to the entire funhouse that a blind person was there and getting ready to come down. I understand that I needed to wait until the person I was with got down the stairs, but was totally embarrassed by his actions. He did not let me get a word in either. This was the culmination of a series of incidents. First he made everyone cut in front of me at a particular floor trick that he thought I could not do. I proved him wrong on that one. However, he would not allow me to explore on my own like the other guys used to do. I was usually followed at a respectful distance and left to my own devices once I got past the entry turntable and moving stairs, only getting help when I needed to check that the path was clear and also to help me bypass things I did not want to do, like the hamster wheel. I do not mind waiting to go down the slide as someone has always told me when it is clear. He also made everyone go ahead of me because of blindness. Again, I could not get a word in to him to ask him to back off. I am trying to figure out what to do to take action against this person. I never got his name, but I do have a recording of the walk as evidence of what happened. Mind you, the funhouse was crowded today so I understand that I could not explore too much. But this guy clearly had low expectations and did not expect me to do anything independently. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Sat Oct 20 01:32:47 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 18:32:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> Good evening, carnival chick, Let it go! Just consider what the attendant's attentions probably were and his experience with blindness. He probably has neither. At 05:08 PM 10/19/2012, you wrote: >I'm wondering if anyone else besides me has had an incident like the >one I'm about to discuss. This does not have to necessarily be at a >carnival; this can be anywhere. I am trying to figure out what to do >to take action against the person involved in this situation and am >looking for advice. > >I went to our state fair today to hang out at the carnival. I always >have fun and today was no exception. I am a very big fan of walking >through funhouses, especially the ones that are like obstacle >courses with moving floors, turntables, and the like. My favorite >one is a massive 4-story one called the King's Circus. First, let me >say that it is absolutely crucial that a blind person get help when >he/she walks through this. There are openings that you have to watch >out for while navigating certain tricks and also some tricky >maneuvering if you use a long cane. For instance, the first thing >you encounter is a large turntable that you step on to to ride >around to the entrance. You have to watch for an opening and the gap >is too narrow to put your cane through once you step on and grab the >pole. You have to step off while said platform is spinning and could >have a really nasty accident if someone is not there to make sure >you didn't miss it; I nearly have planted my face in the wall when >trying to do it independently. I have been through this funhouse >five times, not counting today, and have had no issues with getting >help from attendants. The guys who ran it in the past were totally >awesome and did not treat blindness as an issue. Today they didn't >either. However, there was one attendant in particular who decided >that it was necessary to publicly embarrass me. He asked my >companion if he had ever heard of the school for the blind; I only >found this out later because I went up to go down the 4-story slide >from the top of the building. My companion chose not to as he is a >big guy and the slide is a tight fit. No problem. HOwever, he then >proceeded to yell to the entire funhouse that a blind person was >there and getting ready to come down. I understand that I needed to >wait until the person I was with got down the stairs, but was >totally embarrassed by his actions. He did not let me get a word in >either. This was the culmination of a series of incidents. First he >made everyone cut in front of me at a particular floor trick that he >thought I could not do. I proved him wrong on that one. However, he >would not allow me to explore on my own like the other guys used to >do. I was usually followed at a respectful distance and left to my >own devices once I got past the entry turntable and moving stairs, >only getting help when I needed to check that the path was clear and >also to help me bypass things I did not want to do, like the hamster >wheel. I do not mind waiting to go down the slide as someone has >always told me when it is clear. He also made everyone go ahead of >me because of blindness. Again, I could not get a word in to him to >ask him to back off. I am trying to figure out what to do to take >action against this person. I never got his name, but I do have a >recording of the walk as evidence of what happened. Mind you, the >funhouse was crowded today so I understand that I could not explore >too much. But this guy clearly had low expectations and did not >expect me to do anything independently. >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 05:50:48 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 01:50:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> greetings, While i have never had a situation exactly like this one, I thought I would point out my views on some of the issues discussed herein. I strongly agree that you should take some kind of action regarding this matter, because it is because we let go of things in the past that we need to deal with these situations nowadays. however, coming to us and sharing your experience, is already an action. You have allowed yourself to calm down, and you have accepted the situation understanding that it is not your fault for having a disability, but his fault for not knowing how to seal with the situation and being totally inappropriate about it. This is a big step within itself. About further action, I would fill a complaint with the place's management, as suggested in the first reply of this e-mail, and stand by. if the issue persist, then consider additional steps. The important thing is to remember how to distinguish ignorance from prejudice. many people do not know what the blind can do, which is why sometimes they ask way to many questions over a simples matter. in those cases, the best approach is to educate them. when however the person is purposefully making you embarrassed, (or whenever it seems to be this way) don't hesitate to take an aggressive stance. sincerely, Mauricio Almeida Vice president: Michigan association of blind students On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good evening, carnival chick, > > Let it go! Just consider what the attendant's attentions probably were and his experience with blindness. He probably has neither. At 05:08 PM 10/19/2012, you wrote: >> I'm wondering if anyone else besides me has had an incident like the one I'm about to discuss. This does not have to necessarily be at a carnival; this can be anywhere. I am trying to figure out what to do to take action against the person involved in this situation and am looking for advice. >> >> I went to our state fair today to hang out at the carnival. I always have fun and today was no exception. I am a very big fan of walking through funhouses, especially the ones that are like obstacle courses with moving floors, turntables, and the like. My favorite one is a massive 4-story one called the King's Circus. First, let me say that it is absolutely crucial that a blind person get help when he/she walks through this. There are openings that you have to watch out for while navigating certain tricks and also some tricky maneuvering if you use a long cane. For instance, the first thing you encounter is a large turntable that you step on to to ride around to the entrance. You have to watch for an opening and the gap is too narrow to put your cane through once you step on and grab the pole. You have to step off while said platform is spinning and could have a really nasty accident if someone is not there to make sure you didn't miss it; I nearly have planted my face in the wall when trying to do it independently. I have been through this funhouse five times, not counting today, and have had no issues with getting help from attendants. The guys who ran it in the past were totally awesome and did not treat blindness as an issue. Today they didn't either. However, there was one attendant in particular who decided that it was necessary to publicly embarrass me. He asked my companion if he had ever heard of the school for the blind; I only found this out later because I went up to go down the 4-story slide from the top of the building. My companion chose not to as he is a big guy and the slide is a tight fit. No problem. HOwever, he then proceeded to yell to the entire funhouse that a blind person was there and getting ready to come down. I understand that I needed to wait until the person I was with got down the stairs, but was totally embarrassed by his actions. He did not let me get a word in either. This was the culmination of a series of incidents. First he made everyone cut in front of me at a particular floor trick that he thought I could not do. I proved him wrong on that one. However, he would not allow me to explore on my own like the other guys used to do. I was usually followed at a respectful distance and left to my own devices once I got past the entry turntable and moving stairs, only getting help when I needed to check that the path was clear and also to help me bypass things I did not want to do, like the hamster wheel. I do not mind waiting to go down the slide as someone has always told me when it is clear. He also made everyone go ahead of me because of blindness. Again, I could not get a word in to him to ask him to back off. I am trying to figure out what to do to take action against this person. I never got his name, but I do have a recording of the walk as evidence of what happened. Mind you, the funhouse was crowded today so I understand that I could not explore too much. But this guy clearly had low expectations and did not expect me to do anything independently. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 06:01:58 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 02:01:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille for accented letters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60768DD6-D0CF-447F-90D8-077F0CEB67E9@gmail.com> greetings, while i am a fluent portuguese speaker, we only learn grid one in brazil, and I bet the accented braille is different for italian. that being said, if you find any resource, please let me know as this is definitely something good to have. best regards, Mauricio ALmeida Vice president: Michigan association of blind students On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:51 PM, minh ha wrote: > Hi all, > > I was wondering if any of you know of a resource that gives you the > braille for accented letters? I'm taking Italian and would like to > learn what the braille is for letters such as a grave, e grave, i > grave, etc. Any help would be much appreciated. :) > > Thanks, > Minh > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com From coasterfreak88 at me.com Sat Oct 20 11:36:48 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:36:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A78349B-8B2A-47B1-866F-1E61BA6D7C3F@me.com> Hi guys. I'd lke to point out a few things. Brandon, you mentioned being willing to sign a waver. This particular midway is not run by one company. Various carnival providers bring in there best attractions, and the midway is what is known as an independent midway. I do not think they even have those wavers around anywhere; I have never been asked to sign one, nor have I even heard of people doing so at this fair. The guy in question was hired locally. I can guarantee you that if any of you go through this if it is at a fair near you, you will not encounter him. I found out later that he is a part-time paratransit driver for the Dallas Area Rapid Transit system. I'm going to just let it go. THe fair ends tomorrow, so nothing much could probably be done anyway. Finding out who specifically to contact is also a challenge and I have other things I need to do that are more important. i appreciate the advice, however. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 14:29:28 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:29:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: <4A78349B-8B2A-47B1-866F-1E61BA6D7C3F@me.com> References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <4A78349B-8B2A-47B1-866F-1E61BA6D7C3F@me.com> Message-ID: <-7223867085057420905@unknownmsgid> You might want to write them or give them a call and talk to them about your concerns. It might not do anything for this year, but at least it will prepare them for the future. I think they need to know about this. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, John Moore wrote: > Hi guys. I'd lke to point out a few things. Brandon, you mentioned being willing to sign a waver. This particular midway is not run by one company. Various carnival providers bring in there best attractions, and the midway is what is known as an independent midway. I do not think they even have those wavers around anywhere; I have never been asked to sign one, nor have I even heard of people doing so at this fair. The guy in question was hired locally. I can guarantee you that if any of you go through this if it is at a fair near you, you will not encounter him. I found out later that he is a part-time paratransit driver for the Dallas Area Rapid Transit system. I'm going to just let it go. THe fair ends tomorrow, so nothing much could probably be done anyway. Finding out who specifically to contact is also a challenge and I have other things I need to do that are more important. i appreciate the advice, however. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 14:32:00 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:32:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1146746551263600752@unknownmsgid> I totally agree! You could also contact your NFB chapter or state president, and maybe they would be able to help you. I think the best course of action here is to be proactive and to educate them before the embarrassment happens. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 20, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Mauricio Almeida wrote: > greetings, > > While i have never had a situation exactly like this one, I thought I would point out my views on some of the issues discussed herein. > I strongly agree that you should take some kind of action regarding this matter, because it is because we let go of things in the past that we need to deal with these situations nowadays. > however, coming to us and sharing your experience, is already an action. You have allowed yourself to calm down, and you have accepted the situation understanding that it is not your fault for having a disability, but his fault for not knowing how to seal with the situation and being totally inappropriate about it. > This is a big step within itself. > About further action, I would fill a complaint with the place's management, as suggested in the first reply of this e-mail, and stand by. > if the issue persist, then consider additional steps. > The important thing is to remember how to distinguish ignorance from prejudice. many people do not know what the blind can do, which is why sometimes they ask way to many questions over a simples matter. in those cases, the best approach is to educate them. > when however the person is purposefully making you embarrassed, (or whenever it seems to be this way) don't hesitate to take an aggressive stance. > > sincerely, > > Mauricio Almeida > Vice president: Michigan association of blind students > On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > >> Good evening, carnival chick, >> >> Let it go! Just consider what the attendant's attentions probably were and his experience with blindness. He probably has neither. At 05:08 PM 10/19/2012, you wrote: >>> I'm wondering if anyone else besides me has had an incident like the one I'm about to discuss. This does not have to necessarily be at a carnival; this can be anywhere. I am trying to figure out what to do to take action against the person involved in this situation and am looking for advice. >>> >>> I went to our state fair today to hang out at the carnival. I always have fun and today was no exception. I am a very big fan of walking through funhouses, especially the ones that are like obstacle courses with moving floors, turntables, and the like. My favorite one is a massive 4-story one called the King's Circus. First, let me say that it is absolutely crucial that a blind person get help when he/she walks through this. There are openings that you have to watch out for while navigating certain tricks and also some tricky maneuvering if you use a long cane. For instance, the first thing you encounter is a large turntable that you step on to to ride around to the entrance. You have to watch for an opening and the gap is too narrow to put your cane through once you step on and grab the pole. You have to step off while said platform is spinning and could have a really nasty accident if someone is not there to make sure you didn't miss it; I nearly have planted my face in the wall when trying to do it independently. I have been through this funhouse five times, not counting today, and have had no issues with getting help from attendants. The guys who ran it in the past were totally awesome and did not treat blindness as an issue. Today they didn't either. However, there was one attendant in particular who decided that it was necessary to publicly embarrass me. He asked my companion if he had ever heard of the school for the blind; I only found this out later because I went up to go down the 4-story slide from the top of the building. My companion chose not to as he is a big guy and the slide is a tight fit. No problem. HOwever, he then proceeded to yell to the entire funhouse that a blind person was there and getting ready to come down. I understand that I needed to wait until the person I was with got down the stairs, but was totally embarrassed by his actions. He did not let me get a word in either. This was the culmination of a series of incidents. First he made everyone cut in front of me at a particular floor trick that he thought I could not do. I proved him wrong on that one. However, he would not allow me to explore on my own like the other guys used to do. I was usually followed at a respectful distance and left to my own devices once I got past the entry turntable and moving stairs, only getting help when I needed to check that the path was clear and also to help me bypass things I did not want to do, like the hamster wheel. I do not mind waiting to go down the slide as someone has always told me when it is clear. He also made everyone go ahead of me because of blindness. Again, I could not get a word in to him to ask him to back off. I am trying to figure out what to do to take action against this person. I never got his name, but I do have a recording of the walk as evidence of what happened. Mind you, the funhouse was crowded today so I understand that I could not explore too much. But this guy clearly had low expectations and did not expect me to do anything independently. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 14:46:06 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:46:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help Needed with Biology Access Case In-Reply-To: References: <1370550259438733568@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <7910873723009878692@unknownmsgid> Oh, that's okay. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Oct 19, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > I think they need college professors. Sorry! > Arielle > > On 10/19/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: >> Are you looking for only college biology professors, or would you be >> interested in talking with some my high school/middle school biology >> teachers as well? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> Valerie Yingling, a paralegal with the NFB national office, asked me >>> to help with a case involving access to biology. She is looking for >>> the names and contact information of biology professors who have >>> taught blind students and who have authorized accommodations so blind >>> students can do microscope work for their courses. If you have a >>> professor or TA who supervised your bio lab who you think would help >>> with this case, please call Valerie at the national center at >>> 410-659-9314 ext. 2440 >>> You can also email the professor's name and contact info to me at >>> arielle71 at gmail.com >>> Thanks for your help! >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 15:19:39 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:19:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6264902990108593839@unknownmsgid> Welcome to the list! It's great to see some international people on here! Enjoy! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 18, 2012, at 11:27 PM, Mauricio Almeida wrote: > greetings everyone, > > I am Mauricio Almeida. > Originally from Brazil, I currently study at Michigan State university > as an international relations major, in order to become a diplomat > working for the brazilian government. in brazil, our NFB is very much > so in its beginning stages, so I am used with publicly advocating for > student rights and the rights of the visually impaired in general. > I have vast experience with computers also. > It will be my pleasure to learn with every one of you and add my > experiences to the NABS as we strive to improve our lives, so feel > free to contact me privately or via list if you are in need of > anything. > also, my personal contacts are below for anyone interested. > > regards, > > Mauricio > facebook: http://facebook.com/mauriciopmalmeida > skype: mauriciopma10 > cel: 517 899-4969 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 15:29:07 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:29:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: <1146746551263600752@unknownmsgid> References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <1146746551263600752@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: John, I think knowing when to speak up and when to let things go is probably the hardest thing about being an independent blind person. Best of luck to you! On 10/20/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: > I totally agree! You could also contact your NFB chapter or state > president, and maybe they would be able to help you. I think the best > course of action here is to be proactive and to educate them before > the embarrassment happens. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 20, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Mauricio Almeida > wrote: > >> greetings, >> >> While i have never had a situation exactly like this one, I thought I >> would point out my views on some of the issues discussed herein. >> I strongly agree that you should take some kind of action regarding this >> matter, because it is because we let go of things in the past that we need >> to deal with these situations nowadays. >> however, coming to us and sharing your experience, is already an action. >> You have allowed yourself to calm down, and you have accepted the >> situation understanding that it is not your fault for having a disability, >> but his fault for not knowing how to seal with the situation and being >> totally inappropriate about it. >> This is a big step within itself. >> About further action, I would fill a complaint with the place's >> management, as suggested in the first reply of this e-mail, and stand by. >> if the issue persist, then consider additional steps. >> The important thing is to remember how to distinguish ignorance from >> prejudice. many people do not know what the blind can do, which is why >> sometimes they ask way to many questions over a simples matter. in those >> cases, the best approach is to educate them. >> when however the person is purposefully making you embarrassed, (or >> whenever it seems to be this way) don't hesitate to take an aggressive >> stance. >> >> sincerely, >> >> Mauricio Almeida >> Vice president: Michigan association of blind students >> On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Carly Mihalakis >> wrote: >> >>> Good evening, carnival chick, >>> >>> Let it go! Just consider what the attendant's attentions probably were >>> and his experience with blindness. He probably has neither. At 05:08 PM >>> 10/19/2012, you wrote: >>>> I'm wondering if anyone else besides me has had an incident like the one >>>> I'm about to discuss. This does not have to necessarily be at a >>>> carnival; this can be anywhere. I am trying to figure out what to do to >>>> take action against the person involved in this situation and am looking >>>> for advice. >>>> >>>> I went to our state fair today to hang out at the carnival. I always >>>> have fun and today was no exception. I am a very big fan of walking >>>> through funhouses, especially the ones that are like obstacle courses >>>> with moving floors, turntables, and the like. My favorite one is a >>>> massive 4-story one called the King's Circus. First, let me say that it >>>> is absolutely crucial that a blind person get help when he/she walks >>>> through this. There are openings that you have to watch out for while >>>> navigating certain tricks and also some tricky maneuvering if you use a >>>> long cane. For instance, the first thing you encounter is a large >>>> turntable that you step on to to ride around to the entrance. You have >>>> to watch for an opening and the gap is too narrow to put your cane >>>> through once you step on and grab the pole. You have to step off while >>>> said platform is spinning and could have a really nasty accident if >>>> someone is not there to make sure you didn't miss it; I nearly have >>>> planted my face in the wall when trying to do it independently. I have >>>> been through this funhouse five times, not counting today, and have had >>>> no issues with getting help from attendants. The guys who ran it in the >>>> past were totally awesome and did not treat blindness as an issue. Today >>>> they didn't either. However, there was one attendant in particular who >>>> decided that it was necessary to publicly embarrass me. He asked my >>>> companion if he had ever heard of the school for the blind; I only found >>>> this out later because I went up to go down the 4-story slide from the >>>> top of the building. My companion chose not to as he is a big guy and >>>> the slide is a tight fit. No problem. HOwever, he then proceeded to yell >>>> to the entire funhouse that a blind person was there and getting ready >>>> to come down. I understand that I needed to wait until the person I was >>>> with got down the stairs, but was totally embarrassed by his actions. He >>>> did not let me get a word in either. This was the culmination of a >>>> series of incidents. First he made everyone cut in front of me at a >>>> particular floor trick that he thought I could not do. I proved him >>>> wrong on that one. However, he would not allow me to explore on my own >>>> like the other guys used to do. I was usually followed at a respectful >>>> distance and left to my own devices once I got past the entry turntable >>>> and moving stairs, only getting help when I needed to check that the >>>> path was clear and also to help me bypass things I did not want to do, >>>> like the hamster wheel. I do not mind waiting to go down the slide as >>>> someone has always told me when it is clear. He also made everyone go >>>> ahead of me because of blindness. Again, I could not get a word in to >>>> him to ask him to back off. I am trying to figure out what to do to take >>>> action against this person. I never got his name, but I do have a >>>> recording of the walk as evidence of what happened. Mind you, the >>>> funhouse was crowded today so I understand that I could not explore too >>>> much. But this guy clearly had low expectations and did not expect me to >>>> do anything independently. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From gera1027 at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 16:18:16 2012 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:18:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] introduction In-Reply-To: <6264902990108593839@unknownmsgid> References: <6264902990108593839@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <5082CEC8.9090904@gmail.com> Welcome! I'm from Mexico, and though I was a student almost ten years ago (that's when I graduated from university) I always learn something new from here! El 20/10/2012 10:19 a.m., christopher nusbaum escribió: > Welcome to the list! It's great to see some international people on here! Enjoy! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 18, 2012, at 11:27 PM, Mauricio Almeida > wrote: > >> greetings everyone, >> >> I am Mauricio Almeida. >> Originally from Brazil, I currently study at Michigan State university >> as an international relations major, in order to become a diplomat >> working for the brazilian government. in brazil, our NFB is very much >> so in its beginning stages, so I am used with publicly advocating for >> student rights and the rights of the visually impaired in general. >> I have vast experience with computers also. >> It will be my pleasure to learn with every one of you and add my >> experiences to the NABS as we strive to improve our lives, so feel >> free to contact me privately or via list if you are in need of >> anything. >> also, my personal contacts are below for anyone interested. >> >> regards, >> >> Mauricio >> facebook: http://facebook.com/mauriciopmalmeida >> skype: mauriciopma10 >> cel: 517 899-4969 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 17:31:54 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:31:54 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille for accented letters In-Reply-To: <60768DD6-D0CF-447F-90D8-077F0CEB67E9@gmail.com> References: <60768DD6-D0CF-447F-90D8-077F0CEB67E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, This is kind of a sticky subject. As an Opera singer I am given a multitude of Accented letters in my music, but I cheat a little because I often know what the word is supposed to be, so the accent isn't a big surprise. Also, the transcriber often times puts the accents in the special symbols section. But do you have the English Braille American Edition Revised 2002? http://jjkvc.org/Documents/English%20Braille%20-%20American%20Edition.pdf In Appendix B you will find all of the braille signs for accented letters and these are what the braille transcriber uses. The grave and umlaut are over the critical letters. For French grave it's dots 2346 over the E and 12356 over the A and 23456 over the U. The Italian is the same with the addition of I which is 34 and O which is 346. German umlaut over the U is 1256; over the A 345; and over the O 246. It is NOT simple. I'd make a cheetsheet if I were you. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Mauricio Almeida Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille for accented letters greetings, while i am a fluent portuguese speaker, we only learn grid one in brazil, and I bet the accented braille is different for italian. that being said, if you find any resource, please let me know as this is definitely something good to have. best regards, Mauricio ALmeida Vice president: Michigan association of blind students On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:51 PM, minh ha wrote: > Hi all, > > I was wondering if any of you know of a resource that gives you the > braille for accented letters? I'm taking Italian and would like to > learn what the braille is for letters such as a grave, e grave, i > grave, etc. Any help would be much appreciated. :) > > Thanks, > Minh > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From jonte711 at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 18:47:51 2012 From: jonte711 at gmail.com (jonte bouchard) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:47:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille for accented letters In-Reply-To: References: <60768DD6-D0CF-447F-90D8-077F0CEB67E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, I recently got a BrailleSense U2. It is great, except for the disappointing fact that I cannot figure out how to write French accented letters using ascii or unicode symbols. Since I am studying in France, this is quite important. I still use my old PacMate for writing assignments, but it could crash. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Jonte Bouchard On 10/20/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > This is kind of a sticky subject. As an Opera singer I am given a multitude > > of Accented letters in my music, but I cheat a little because I often know > what the word is supposed to be, so the accent isn't a big surprise. Also, > the transcriber often times puts the accents in the special symbols > section. > But do you have the English Braille American Edition Revised 2002? > > http://jjkvc.org/Documents/English%20Braille%20-%20American%20Edition.pdf > > In Appendix B you will find all of the braille signs for accented letters > and these are what the braille transcriber uses. > The grave and umlaut are over the critical letters. For French grave it's > dots 2346 over the E and 12356 over the A and 23456 over the U. > The Italian is the same with the addition of I which is 34 and O which is > 346. German umlaut over the U is 1256; over the A 345; and over the O 246. > > It is NOT simple. > > I'd make a cheetsheet if I were you. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Mauricio Almeida > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:01 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille for accented letters > > greetings, > > > while i am a fluent portuguese speaker, we only learn grid one in brazil, > and I bet the accented braille is different for italian. > that being said, if you find any resource, please let me know as this is > definitely something good to have. > > best regards, > > Mauricio ALmeida > Vice president: Michigan association of blind students > On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:51 PM, minh ha wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I was wondering if any of you know of a resource that gives you the >> braille for accented letters? I'm taking Italian and would like to >> learn what the braille is for letters such as a grave, e grave, i >> grave, etc. Any help would be much appreciated. :) >> >> Thanks, >> Minh >> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jonte711%40gmail.com > From carlymih at comcast.net Sat Oct 20 20:20:08 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:20:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: <-7223867085057420905@unknownmsgid> References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <4A78349B-8B2A-47B1-866F-1E61BA6D7C3F@me.com> <-7223867085057420905@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20121020125644.01e64128@comcast.net> Good morning, Can't we cut the uninitiated a little slack? A state of ocular Blindness ought not impede our remaining selective about our battles, rolling with the punches. People's intentions, I'm sure aren't to demean us. If we., as a people freak out over every little slight, or what we deem an injustice, it seems it will further alienate us from the mainstream, reducing us to reactionary and unintelligent enough to identify a meaningful, struggle. Furthermore, ocularly blind folks are not the only ones to get slighted, or demeaned. If you haven't figured out yet this one is a rich, tradition of not treating folks perceived to be abnormal as aliens, unequal and not entitled to basic dignity? Who can cry for the rest of this culture's, whipping boys? that we're not intelligent or perceptive enough to know when action is a best course? Letting it go, I believe, sends the message of not wanting special treatment because of our blindness, a helllovva lot more than some inservice about treating folks with ocular, blindness. So, good on you for not being so reactionary! Car >You might want to write them or give them a call and talk to them >about your concerns. It might not do anything for this year, but at >least it will prepare them for the future. I think they need to know >about this. > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, John Moore wrote: > > > Hi guys. I'd lke to point out a few things. Brandon, you > mentioned being willing to sign a waver. This particular midway is > not run by one company. Various carnival providers bring in there > best attractions, and the midway is what is known as an independent > midway. I do not think they even have those wavers around anywhere; > I have never been asked to sign one, nor have I even heard of > people doing so at this fair. The guy in question was hired > locally. I can guarantee you that if any of you go through this if > it is at a fair near you, you will not encounter him. I found out > later that he is a part-time paratransit driver for the Dallas Area > Rapid Transit system. I'm going to just let it go. THe fair ends > tomorrow, so nothing much could probably be done anyway. Finding > out who specifically to contact is also a challenge and I have > other things I need to do that are more important. i appreciate the > advice, however. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 20:21:02 2012 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 16:21:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille for accented letters In-Reply-To: References: <60768DD6-D0CF-447F-90D8-077F0CEB67E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Brandon for the document. I'm just a little confused about what you said. I took Spanish in high school for a few years and the dots that you described are for acute letters not grave or umlauts, unless they're all the same? That doesn't really make sense if that is the case because Italian uses both grave and acute letters. Minh On 10/20/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > This is kind of a sticky subject. As an Opera singer I am given a multitude > > of Accented letters in my music, but I cheat a little because I often know > what the word is supposed to be, so the accent isn't a big surprise. Also, > the transcriber often times puts the accents in the special symbols > section. > But do you have the English Braille American Edition Revised 2002? > > http://jjkvc.org/Documents/English%20Braille%20-%20American%20Edition.pdf > > In Appendix B you will find all of the braille signs for accented letters > and these are what the braille transcriber uses. > The grave and umlaut are over the critical letters. For French grave it's > dots 2346 over the E and 12356 over the A and 23456 over the U. > The Italian is the same with the addition of I which is 34 and O which is > 346. German umlaut over the U is 1256; over the A 345; and over the O 246. > > It is NOT simple. > > I'd make a cheetsheet if I were you. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Mauricio Almeida > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:01 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille for accented letters > > greetings, > > > while i am a fluent portuguese speaker, we only learn grid one in brazil, > and I bet the accented braille is different for italian. > that being said, if you find any resource, please let me know as this is > definitely something good to have. > > best regards, > > Mauricio ALmeida > Vice president: Michigan association of blind students > On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:51 PM, minh ha wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I was wondering if any of you know of a resource that gives you the >> braille for accented letters? I'm taking Italian and would like to >> learn what the braille is for letters such as a grave, e grave, i >> grave, etc. Any help would be much appreciated. :) >> >> Thanks, >> Minh >> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 21:48:04 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:48:04 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille for accented letters In-Reply-To: References: <60768DD6-D0CF-447F-90D8-077F0CEB67E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62B1D666C0774F3BABCAD0AD1745E343@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, I'm not sure, as I just read the transcriber's notes before hand. The Index should explain more than my little excerpt. I just encounter the below accented letters. I've never run into o acute in Italian. Do realize though, German throws this on its head because it uses the same dots for totally different things... Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: minh ha Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 1:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille for accented letters Thanks Brandon for the document. I'm just a little confused about what you said. I took Spanish in high school for a few years and the dots that you described are for acute letters not grave or umlauts, unless they're all the same? That doesn't really make sense if that is the case because Italian uses both grave and acute letters. Minh On 10/20/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > This is kind of a sticky subject. As an Opera singer I am given a > multitude > > of Accented letters in my music, but I cheat a little because I often know > what the word is supposed to be, so the accent isn't a big surprise. Also, > the transcriber often times puts the accents in the special symbols > section. > But do you have the English Braille American Edition Revised 2002? > > http://jjkvc.org/Documents/English%20Braille%20-%20American%20Edition.pdf > > In Appendix B you will find all of the braille signs for accented letters > and these are what the braille transcriber uses. > The grave and umlaut are over the critical letters. For French grave it's > dots 2346 over the E and 12356 over the A and 23456 over the U. > The Italian is the same with the addition of I which is 34 and O which is > 346. German umlaut over the U is 1256; over the A 345; and over the O > 246. > > It is NOT simple. > > I'd make a cheetsheet if I were you. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Mauricio Almeida > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:01 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille for accented letters > > greetings, > > > while i am a fluent portuguese speaker, we only learn grid one in brazil, > and I bet the accented braille is different for italian. > that being said, if you find any resource, please let me know as this is > definitely something good to have. > > best regards, > > Mauricio ALmeida > Vice president: Michigan association of blind students > On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:51 PM, minh ha wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I was wondering if any of you know of a resource that gives you the >> braille for accented letters? I'm taking Italian and would like to >> learn what the braille is for letters such as a grave, e grave, i >> grave, etc. Any help would be much appreciated. :) >> >> Thanks, >> Minh >> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 04:40:35 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 22:40:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20121020125644.01e64128@comcast.net> References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <4A78349B-8B2A-47B1-866F-1E61BA6D7C3F@me.com> <-7223867085057420905@unknownmsgid> <7.0.1.0.2.20121020125644.01e64128@comcast.net> Message-ID: Carley, You make a lot of sense. People who take the total opposite position make, in my mind, just as much sense. Finding a balance between fighting battles when I need to but, as you said, rolling with the punches when fighting would be counterproductive, is one of the hardest things I'm trying to figure out in my own life right now. It's not easy. On 10/20/12, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good morning, > > Can't we cut the uninitiated a little slack? A state of ocular > Blindness ought not impede our remaining selective about our battles, > rolling with the punches. People's intentions, I'm sure aren't to > demean us. If we., as a people freak out over every little slight, or > what we deem an injustice, it seems it will further alienate us from > the mainstream, reducing us to reactionary and unintelligent enough > to identify a meaningful, struggle. Furthermore, ocularly blind folks > are not the only ones to get slighted, or demeaned. If you haven't > figured out yet this one is a rich, tradition of not treating folks > perceived to be abnormal as aliens, unequal and not entitled to basic > dignity? Who can cry for the rest of this culture's, whipping boys? > that we're not intelligent or perceptive enough to know when action > is a best course? > Letting it go, I believe, sends the message of not wanting special > treatment because of our blindness, a helllovva lot more than some > inservice about treating folks with ocular, blindness. > So, good on you for not being so reactionary! > Car >>You might want to write them or give them a call and talk to them >>about your concerns. It might not do anything for this year, but at >>least it will prepare them for the future. I think they need to know >>about this. >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, John Moore wrote: >> >> > Hi guys. I'd lke to point out a few things. Brandon, you >> mentioned being willing to sign a waver. This particular midway is >> not run by one company. Various carnival providers bring in there >> best attractions, and the midway is what is known as an independent >> midway. I do not think they even have those wavers around anywhere; >> I have never been asked to sign one, nor have I even heard of >> people doing so at this fair. The guy in question was hired >> locally. I can guarantee you that if any of you go through this if >> it is at a fair near you, you will not encounter him. I found out >> later that he is a part-time paratransit driver for the Dallas Area >> Rapid Transit system. I'm going to just let it go. THe fair ends >> tomorrow, so nothing much could probably be done anyway. Finding >> out who specifically to contact is also a challenge and I have >> other things I need to do that are more important. i appreciate the >> advice, however. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From coasterfreak88 at me.com Sun Oct 21 04:47:21 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 23:47:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <4A78349B-8B2A-47B1-866F-1E61BA6D7C3F@me.com> <-7223867085057420905@unknownmsgid> <7.0.1.0.2.20121020125644.01e64128@comcast.net> Message-ID: My final decision is to just let it go this time. It was only one of them, so I would not make a big deal out of it unless it was all of them. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 14:10:05 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:10:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <4A78349B-8B2A-47B1-866F-1E61BA6D7C3F@me.com> <-7223867085057420905@unknownmsgid> <7.0.1.0.2.20121020125644.01e64128@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8103479910953212871@unknownmsgid> It's not easy for all of us. We're told to "pick our battles, "but that's easier said than done. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2012, at 12:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Carley, > You make a lot of sense. People who take the total opposite > position make, in my mind, just as much sense. Finding a balance > between fighting battles when I need to but, as you said, rolling with > the punches when fighting would be counterproductive, is one of the > hardest things I'm trying to figure out in my own life right now. > It's not easy. > > On 10/20/12, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> Good morning, >> >> Can't we cut the uninitiated a little slack? A state of ocular >> Blindness ought not impede our remaining selective about our battles, >> rolling with the punches. People's intentions, I'm sure aren't to >> demean us. If we., as a people freak out over every little slight, or >> what we deem an injustice, it seems it will further alienate us from >> the mainstream, reducing us to reactionary and unintelligent enough >> to identify a meaningful, struggle. Furthermore, ocularly blind folks >> are not the only ones to get slighted, or demeaned. If you haven't >> figured out yet this one is a rich, tradition of not treating folks >> perceived to be abnormal as aliens, unequal and not entitled to basic >> dignity? Who can cry for the rest of this culture's, whipping boys? >> that we're not intelligent or perceptive enough to know when action >> is a best course? >> Letting it go, I believe, sends the message of not wanting special >> treatment because of our blindness, a helllovva lot more than some >> inservice about treating folks with ocular, blindness. >> So, good on you for not being so reactionary! >> Car >>> You might want to write them or give them a call and talk to them >>> about your concerns. It might not do anything for this year, but at >>> least it will prepare them for the future. I think they need to know >>> about this. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, John Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Hi guys. I'd lke to point out a few things. Brandon, you >>> mentioned being willing to sign a waver. This particular midway is >>> not run by one company. Various carnival providers bring in there >>> best attractions, and the midway is what is known as an independent >>> midway. I do not think they even have those wavers around anywhere; >>> I have never been asked to sign one, nor have I even heard of >>> people doing so at this fair. The guy in question was hired >>> locally. I can guarantee you that if any of you go through this if >>> it is at a fair near you, you will not encounter him. I found out >>> later that he is a part-time paratransit driver for the Dallas Area >>> Rapid Transit system. I'm going to just let it go. THe fair ends >>> tomorrow, so nothing much could probably be done anyway. Finding >>> out who specifically to contact is also a challenge and I have >>> other things I need to do that are more important. i appreciate the >>> advice, however. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Oct 21 14:59:42 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 07:59:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: <8103479910953212871@unknownmsgid> References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <4A78349B-8B2A-47B1-866F-1E61BA6D7C3F@me.com> <-7223867085057420905@unknownmsgid> <7.0.1.0.2.20121020125644.01e64128@comcast.net> <8103479910953212871@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20121021073922.01be9288@comcast.net> Good morning, Chris, Perhaps, if you feel your ego, your particular social standing is threatened, so is in need of defending. Yet, it Seems to me, if you just consider the multitudes who have been socially slited over the millennial, you could see that our personal slight is but a drop in the slighting, bucket not in need of such ardent, defense? Fact is, we are not completely, whole at least by mainn stream, standards. For this reason, I think we have a certain mystique, made more pronounced by our being obligated to take so much shit from society. Also, you could try smiling, laughing at the slights. If regarding the world with a smile, and a laugh, they have not killed your spirit. Make it a big joke, disarm people. rtain Car 10/21/2012, christopher nusbaum wrote: >It's not easy for all of us. We're told to "pick our battles, "but >that's easier said than done. > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Oct 21, 2012, at 12:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > > > Carley, > > You make a lot of sense. People who take the total opposite > > position make, in my mind, just as much sense. Finding a balance > > between fighting battles when I need to but, as you said, rolling with > > the punches when fighting would be counterproductive, is one of the > > hardest things I'm trying to figure out in my own life right now. > > It's not easy. > > > > On 10/20/12, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > >> Good morning, > >> > >> Can't we cut the uninitiated a little slack? A state of ocular > >> Blindness ought not impede our remaining selective about our battles, > >> rolling with the punches. People's intentions, I'm sure aren't to > >> demean us. If we., as a people freak out over every little slight, or > >> what we deem an injustice, it seems it will further alienate us from > >> the mainstream, reducing us to reactionary and unintelligent enough > >> to identify a meaningful, struggle. Furthermore, ocularly blind folks > >> are not the only ones to get slighted, or demeaned. If you haven't > >> figured out yet this one is a rich, tradition of not treating folks > >> perceived to be abnormal as aliens, unequal and not entitled to basic > >> dignity? Who can cry for the rest of this culture's, whipping boys? > >> that we're not intelligent or perceptive enough to know when action > >> is a best course? > >> Letting it go, I believe, sends the message of not wanting special > >> treatment because of our blindness, a helllovva lot more than some > >> inservice about treating folks with ocular, blindness. > >> So, good on you for not being so reactionary! > >> Car > >>> You might want to write them or give them a call and talk to them > >>> about your concerns. It might not do anything for this year, but at > >>> least it will prepare them for the future. I think they need to know > >>> about this. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, John Moore wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi guys. I'd lke to point out a few things. Brandon, you > >>> mentioned being willing to sign a waver. This particular midway is > >>> not run by one company. Various carnival providers bring in there > >>> best attractions, and the midway is what is known as an independent > >>> midway. I do not think they even have those wavers around anywhere; > >>> I have never been asked to sign one, nor have I even heard of > >>> people doing so at this fair. The guy in question was hired > >>> locally. I can guarantee you that if any of you go through this if > >>> it is at a fair near you, you will not encounter him. I found out > >>> later that he is a part-time paratransit driver for the Dallas Area > >>> Rapid Transit system. I'm going to just let it go. THe fair ends > >>> tomorrow, so nothing much could probably be done anyway. Finding > >>> out who specifically to contact is also a challenge and I have > >>> other things I need to do that are more important. i appreciate the > >>> advice, however. > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for nabs-l: > >>>> > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From codyjbair at yahoo.com Sun Oct 21 16:43:04 2012 From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (Cody Bair) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 09:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder:Voting Call Tonight Message-ID: <1350837784.35731.YahooMailClassic@web110702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Greetings fellow blind students, In the words of former U.S. president Franklyn D. Roosevelt, “Nobody will ever deprive American people of the right to vote accept for the American people themselves and the only way they could do this is by not voting.” As a result, it is the goal of the NABS Membership Committee to ensure that no one deprives themselves of their right to vote because of a lack of information on accessible voting. Thus we want to extend an invitation to take part in our October membership call “the ABC’s of voting.” Join us on October 21st to hear from Luanne Blake from our national center on how to register to vote, voter rights in terms of completing your ballot independently, and how to file a complaint if your rights are violated. What: The ABC’s of Voting Conference Call When: October 21, 2012 at 7:00 P.M. ET. Where: Conference Call, (530)881-1212 Code: 757-809-541 We look forward to you joining us! The NABS Membership Committee From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 16:55:04 2012 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:55:04 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20121021073922.01be9288@comcast.net> References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <4A78349B-8B2A-47B1-866F-1E61BA6D7C3F@me.com> <-7223867085057420905@unknownmsgid> <7.0.1.0.2.20121020125644.01e64128@comcast.net> <8103479910953212871@unknownmsgid> <7.0.1.0.2.20121021073922.01be9288@comcast.net> Message-ID: Karlee, Problem is it's not always a joke. When it's funny, I'll laugh along with everyone. (just a couple days ago I got on a bus and I wasn't really using my cane all that well and I accidentally sat on someone's lap. I appologized and then couldn't stop laughing because it just seemed comical to me.) But having your child taken away because you're blind isn't comical. Not even being considered for a job because you can't see certainly doesn't seem funny to me. When my aunt, who our family was visiting, suggested my parents put a tracker on my phone so they always know where I am and I don't get lost, it was meant in all seriousness. True, many minorities have been socially descriminated against throughout human history. What happens to us as blind people is minor when compared to the holocaust, forced physical slavery, being targeted by biological weapons, and the like. However, that doesn't make the descrimination and hostile attitudes we sometimes face somehow excusable or "okay." We often have the responsibility to stand up, speak up and make sure people understand we are capable and deserve to be treated as equal members of society, with all the rights and responsibilities that go along with such a claim. Yes, sometimes raising hell about something won't get you anywhere. Still, and I bet we disagree on this one and that's fine, but I think sometimes raising hell about injustice is the only correct course of action. Knowing when to do it is a challenge. Best, Kirt On 10/21/12, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > Good morning, Chris, > > Perhaps, if you feel your ego, your particular social standing is > threatened, so is in need of defending. Yet, it Seems to me, if you > just consider the multitudes who have been socially slited over the > millennial, you could see that our personal slight is but a drop in > the slighting, bucket not in need of such ardent, defense? Fact is, > we are not completely, whole at least by mainn stream, standards. For > this reason, I think we have a certain mystique, made more pronounced > by our being obligated to take so much shit from society. Also, you > could try smiling, laughing at the slights. If regarding the world > with a smile, and a laugh, they have not killed your spirit. Make it > a big joke, disarm people. rtain > Car 10/21/2012, christopher nusbaum wrote: >>It's not easy for all of us. We're told to "pick our battles, "but >>that's easier said than done. >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>On Oct 21, 2012, at 12:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring >> wrote: >> >> > Carley, >> > You make a lot of sense. People who take the total opposite >> > position make, in my mind, just as much sense. Finding a balance >> > between fighting battles when I need to but, as you said, rolling with >> > the punches when fighting would be counterproductive, is one of the >> > hardest things I'm trying to figure out in my own life right now. >> > It's not easy. >> > >> > On 10/20/12, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> >> Good morning, >> >> >> >> Can't we cut the uninitiated a little slack? A state of ocular >> >> Blindness ought not impede our remaining selective about our battles, >> >> rolling with the punches. People's intentions, I'm sure aren't to >> >> demean us. If we., as a people freak out over every little slight, or >> >> what we deem an injustice, it seems it will further alienate us from >> >> the mainstream, reducing us to reactionary and unintelligent enough >> >> to identify a meaningful, struggle. Furthermore, ocularly blind folks >> >> are not the only ones to get slighted, or demeaned. If you haven't >> >> figured out yet this one is a rich, tradition of not treating folks >> >> perceived to be abnormal as aliens, unequal and not entitled to basic >> >> dignity? Who can cry for the rest of this culture's, whipping boys? >> >> that we're not intelligent or perceptive enough to know when action >> >> is a best course? >> >> Letting it go, I believe, sends the message of not wanting special >> >> treatment because of our blindness, a helllovva lot more than some >> >> inservice about treating folks with ocular, blindness. >> >> So, good on you for not being so reactionary! >> >> Car >> >>> You might want to write them or give them a call and talk to them >> >>> about your concerns. It might not do anything for this year, but at >> >>> least it will prepare them for the future. I think they need to know >> >>> about this. >> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> >> >>> On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, John Moore >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hi guys. I'd lke to point out a few things. Brandon, you >> >>> mentioned being willing to sign a waver. This particular midway is >> >>> not run by one company. Various carnival providers bring in there >> >>> best attractions, and the midway is what is known as an independent >> >>> midway. I do not think they even have those wavers around anywhere; >> >>> I have never been asked to sign one, nor have I even heard of >> >>> people doing so at this fair. The guy in question was hired >> >>> locally. I can guarantee you that if any of you go through this if >> >>> it is at a fair near you, you will not encounter him. I found out >> >>> later that he is a part-time paratransit driver for the Dallas Area >> >>> Rapid Transit system. I'm going to just let it go. THe fair ends >> >>> tomorrow, so nothing much could probably be done anyway. Finding >> >>> out who specifically to contact is also a challenge and I have >> >>> other things I need to do that are more important. i appreciate the >> >>> advice, however. >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>> for nabs-l: >> >>>> >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From coasterfreak88 at me.com Sun Oct 21 17:31:00 2012 From: coasterfreak88 at me.com (John Moore) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:31:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <4A78349B-8B2A-47B1-866F-1E61BA6D7C3F@me.com> <-7223867085057420905@unknownmsgid> <7.0.1.0.2.20121020125644.01e64128@comcast.net> <8103479910953212871@unknownmsgid> <7.0.1.0.2.20121021073922.01be9288@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6798FCCD-6F23-4BDD-9FC9-250F16944499@me.com> Lol Kurt! Priceless! That's one of the best stories of that type I"ve heard in a while. I agree with you about raising hell sometiems. HOwever, if only one person is doing it and most are not, I feel that it is not necessary. I think sometimes a lot of blind people are just power-hungry and want to complain about everything. I hope I did not offend you by saying that. I take serious issue with the blindness organizations and refuse to join either one because if the issue. Sometimes you do not need to make a big deal out of something when it is only a small thing. I hope we can respectfully disagree. From deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 18:23:07 2012 From: deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com (Deb Mendelsohn) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:23:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: <8103479910953212871@unknownmsgid> References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <4A78349B-8B2A-47B1-866F-1E61BA6D7C3F@me.com> <-7223867085057420905@unknownmsgid> <7.0.1.0.2.20121020125644.01e64128@comcast.net> <8103479910953212871@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi all, I had a similar experience years ago. A sighted friend and I went to a water park. The park folks let me in, knowing I'm Legally Blind. However, I had to educate my friend, since we were on an inner-tube pool when somebody got too close to us (my friend thought). And, at the top of her lungs, she starts yelling, "careful, we have somebody Legally Blind h ere in the pool". Education is not merely for the public. Our friend, family and colleagues have our best intentions at heart, however they too need to be educated not only on what we are capable of, however what our needs and wants are when in public. Thank you! Deb On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 7:10 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > It's not easy for all of us. We're told to "pick our battles, "but > that's easier said than done. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 21, 2012, at 12:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > >> Carley, >> You make a lot of sense. People who take the total opposite >> position make, in my mind, just as much sense. Finding a balance >> between fighting battles when I need to but, as you said, rolling with >> the punches when fighting would be counterproductive, is one of the >> hardest things I'm trying to figure out in my own life right now. >> It's not easy. >> >> On 10/20/12, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >>> Good morning, >>> >>> Can't we cut the uninitiated a little slack? A state of ocular >>> Blindness ought not impede our remaining selective about our battles, >>> rolling with the punches. People's intentions, I'm sure aren't to >>> demean us. If we., as a people freak out over every little slight, or >>> what we deem an injustice, it seems it will further alienate us from >>> the mainstream, reducing us to reactionary and unintelligent enough >>> to identify a meaningful, struggle. Furthermore, ocularly blind folks >>> are not the only ones to get slighted, or demeaned. If you haven't >>> figured out yet this one is a rich, tradition of not treating folks >>> perceived to be abnormal as aliens, unequal and not entitled to basic >>> dignity? Who can cry for the rest of this culture's, whipping boys? >>> that we're not intelligent or perceptive enough to know when action >>> is a best course? >>> Letting it go, I believe, sends the message of not wanting special >>> treatment because of our blindness, a helllovva lot more than some >>> inservice about treating folks with ocular, blindness. >>> So, good on you for not being so reactionary! >>> Car >>>> You might want to write them or give them a call and talk to them >>>> about your concerns. It might not do anything for this year, but at >>>> least it will prepare them for the future. I think they need to know >>>> about this. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, John Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi guys. I'd lke to point out a few things. Brandon, you >>>> mentioned being willing to sign a waver. This particular midway is >>>> not run by one company. Various carnival providers bring in there >>>> best attractions, and the midway is what is known as an independent >>>> midway. I do not think they even have those wavers around anywhere; >>>> I have never been asked to sign one, nor have I even heard of >>>> people doing so at this fair. The guy in question was hired >>>> locally. I can guarantee you that if any of you go through this if >>>> it is at a fair near you, you will not encounter him. I found out >>>> later that he is a part-time paratransit driver for the Dallas Area >>>> Rapid Transit system. I'm going to just let it go. THe fair ends >>>> tomorrow, so nothing much could probably be done anyway. Finding >>>> out who specifically to contact is also a challenge and I have >>>> other things I need to do that are more important. i appreciate the >>>> advice, however. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/deb.mendelsohn%40gmail.com -- From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sun Oct 21 19:16:15 2012 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:16:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <4A78349B-8B2A-47B1-866F-1E61BA6D7C3F@me.com> <-7223867085057420905@unknownmsgid> <7.0.1.0.2.20121020125644.01e64128@comcast.net> Message-ID: The next time this happens, you always have the option of letting the individual know that they are annoying to you. And there are polite ways to do that, so just do what's best for you. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 20, 2012, at 11:47 PM, John Moore wrote: > My final decision is to just let it go this time. It was only one of them, so I would not make a big deal out of it unless it was all of them. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sun Oct 21 19:57:23 2012 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:57:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <1146746551263600752@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: The balance really isn't that difficult. We all know what could be classified as appropriate treatment and in appropriate treatment. Each of us have different boundaries. The way you figure out when it's right for you to fight or when it's right for you to roll with the punches is a very personal thing. I have a native American friend of mine that uses his own decision-making process based on one developed by the Institute of cultural affairs. It goes something like this: The What: This is the objective aspect of what happened. So, to the best of your ability, think about the incident as though you were an outsider. This is the time to think about both sides. In other words, what might have the other person been thinking? What were you thinking? What was said? What was done? That sort of thing. The Gut: This is the reflective aspect of what happened. How did you feel about the incident? One way you can figure out your motions is by checking out your physical responses to the experience. Does your stomach feel differently? does your chest feel differently? what about your breathing?Are your muscles relaxed or tense? What emotion words come to mind? The emotional or reflective aspect of what's happening can give you a clue as to why this particular event is important. So What: This part of the process is where you determine how important this is. The other part of this is to figure out why it's important. So think of this section as the significance section. Maybe a particular event is important because it represents the pattern either for you personally or for blind people generally. As you think about the significance of an event, you may notice that more emotions crop up for you. Take note and add this to your reflective section. You may also gain some objective insights here. Let's use our carnival example. This one incident may, in someway, represent the acts of discrimination of blind people face generally. So for a given individual, this incident might represent something very very important. For someone else, this incident may represent a lack of education. Again, this brings about a sense of importance. And for some of us, it may represent nothing at all. It may simply represent someone's being stupid. And that case, there may not Be much importance at all. So, like I said before, it's quite personal. The level of importance, the feelings you feel, and the objective incident itself Will help you figure out what to do next. Now What: Now comes the decision. What are you going to do next? If you think this matter represents and incidents requiring education, your next step simply might be to educate. If you feel that more action is required, you may consider escalating the conflict to a supervisor or even to legal action. If you think the guy is just being stupid, your decision maybe just a laugh it off. Again, this is a purely personal matter. This decisional process takes time to develop. The more you practice it, the easier it gets. You will come to a point when you can go through each step in a matter of seconds. For the first little while, you may find That you have to reexperience a moment ex post facto. Most of the time, you may not be able to remedy the situation at this time. On the other hand, you can use this as a teaching moment for yourself. You'll start to notice patterns and yourself, and that's partially what makes this process go a lot quicker as you get better. There will be times when it truly is not feasible to either go through the process or to take the decision to its final outcome. The important thing is to go through the process anyway and your mind afterward. This will help you clear up any emotional tension left behind from the experience. It will also help you move on. You will likely gain some insights about yourself. For example, this process helped me realize that I don't like to be touched by strangers. This was the real reason why I do not like to be pushed and prodded by people and their attempts to guide me. I also figured out that I feel a loss of control when people push and pull me. This process finally helped me to realize that these emotions are perfectly natural. Many sided people would feel the same way if in the same circumstance. Since figuring that out, I have been able to communicate these feelings to sighted people in such a way that they understand. The end result has been a sort of dialogue as education. The added bonus is that my issue was suddenly taken out of the blindness context. I really feel like taking things out of the blindness context sometimes helps me to advocate for myself better. Especially since some of these issues are so charged in our community. I don't know if any of this resonates with any of you, but if it does, I would be willing to put a conference call together regarding this process. I can probably get my native American friend to come and lead the discussion. This process is part of an over all communication system called the elements of honor. I personally found the elements of honor to be an incredibly powerful resource in my life. I had a lot of issues with the sighted population when I joined his workshops. After learning the system and putting it to good use, I noticed that my problems with the sighted community seem to diminish greatly. I would like to add one more final thought before I go. I think we sometimes carry an invisible audience with us into situations like these. I have felt in the past that it was my responsibility to represent the entire blind community in every interaction I ever had. So in effect, it felt like having each of you in my back pocket wherever I went. As you might've guessed, we all have different opinions on how these things ought to be handled. And so I sort of felt like I had several critics telling me do this, do that, don't do this, don't do that. I really feel like the added stress of the invisible audience actually made my reactions to situations much more severe than they could have been otherwise. So remember, at the end of the day, we all have to deal with these issues in a very personal way. At the end of the day, we essentially represent ourselves and our own preferences. The preferences of others serve to educate our own minds as to the variety of options available to us, but they should never dictate what we do in a particular situation, especially if the advice is not in keeping with our own personal Process. I hope that helps. Respectfully Jedi Sent from my iPhone On Oct 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > John, > I think knowing when to speak up and when to let things go is > probably the hardest thing about being an independent blind person. > Best of luck to you! > > On 10/20/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: >> I totally agree! You could also contact your NFB chapter or state >> president, and maybe they would be able to help you. I think the best >> course of action here is to be proactive and to educate them before >> the embarrassment happens. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 20, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Mauricio Almeida >> wrote: >> >>> greetings, >>> >>> While i have never had a situation exactly like this one, I thought I >>> would point out my views on some of the issues discussed herein. >>> I strongly agree that you should take some kind of action regarding this >>> matter, because it is because we let go of things in the past that we need >>> to deal with these situations nowadays. >>> however, coming to us and sharing your experience, is already an action. >>> You have allowed yourself to calm down, and you have accepted the >>> situation understanding that it is not your fault for having a disability, >>> but his fault for not knowing how to seal with the situation and being >>> totally inappropriate about it. >>> This is a big step within itself. >>> About further action, I would fill a complaint with the place's >>> management, as suggested in the first reply of this e-mail, and stand by. >>> if the issue persist, then consider additional steps. >>> The important thing is to remember how to distinguish ignorance from >>> prejudice. many people do not know what the blind can do, which is why >>> sometimes they ask way to many questions over a simples matter. in those >>> cases, the best approach is to educate them. >>> when however the person is purposefully making you embarrassed, (or >>> whenever it seems to be this way) don't hesitate to take an aggressive >>> stance. >>> >>> sincerely, >>> >>> Mauricio Almeida >>> Vice president: Michigan association of blind students >>> On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Good evening, carnival chick, >>>> >>>> Let it go! Just consider what the attendant's attentions probably were >>>> and his experience with blindness. He probably has neither. At 05:08 PM >>>> 10/19/2012, you wrote: >>>>> I'm wondering if anyone else besides me has had an incident like the one >>>>> I'm about to discuss. This does not have to necessarily be at a >>>>> carnival; this can be anywhere. I am trying to figure out what to do to >>>>> take action against the person involved in this situation and am looking >>>>> for advice. >>>>> >>>>> I went to our state fair today to hang out at the carnival. I always >>>>> have fun and today was no exception. I am a very big fan of walking >>>>> through funhouses, especially the ones that are like obstacle courses >>>>> with moving floors, turntables, and the like. My favorite one is a >>>>> massive 4-story one called the King's Circus. First, let me say that it >>>>> is absolutely crucial that a blind person get help when he/she walks >>>>> through this. There are openings that you have to watch out for while >>>>> navigating certain tricks and also some tricky maneuvering if you use a >>>>> long cane. For instance, the first thing you encounter is a large >>>>> turntable that you step on to to ride around to the entrance. You have >>>>> to watch for an opening and the gap is too narrow to put your cane >>>>> through once you step on and grab the pole. You have to step off while >>>>> said platform is spinning and could have a really nasty accident if >>>>> someone is not there to make sure you didn't miss it; I nearly have >>>>> planted my face in the wall when trying to do it independently. I have >>>>> been through this funhouse five times, not counting today, and have had >>>>> no issues with getting help from attendants. The guys who ran it in the >>>>> past were totally awesome and did not treat blindness as an issue. Today >>>>> they didn't either. However, there was one attendant in particular who >>>>> decided that it was necessary to publicly embarrass me. He asked my >>>>> companion if he had ever heard of the school for the blind; I only found >>>>> this out later because I went up to go down the 4-story slide from the >>>>> top of the building. My companion chose not to as he is a big guy and >>>>> the slide is a tight fit. No problem. HOwever, he then proceeded to yell >>>>> to the entire funhouse that a blind person was there and getting ready >>>>> to come down. I understand that I needed to wait until the person I was >>>>> with got down the stairs, but was totally embarrassed by his actions. He >>>>> did not let me get a word in either. This was the culmination of a >>>>> series of incidents. First he made everyone cut in front of me at a >>>>> particular floor trick that he thought I could not do. I proved him >>>>> wrong on that one. However, he would not allow me to explore on my own >>>>> like the other guys used to do. I was usually followed at a respectful >>>>> distance and left to my own devices once I got past the entry turntable >>>>> and moving stairs, only getting help when I needed to check that the >>>>> path was clear and also to help me bypass things I did not want to do, >>>>> like the hamster wheel. I do not mind waiting to go down the slide as >>>>> someone has always told me when it is clear. He also made everyone go >>>>> ahead of me because of blindness. Again, I could not get a word in to >>>>> him to ask him to back off. I am trying to figure out what to do to take >>>>> action against this person. I never got his name, but I do have a >>>>> recording of the walk as evidence of what happened. Mind you, the >>>>> funhouse was crowded today so I understand that I could not explore too >>>>> much. But this guy clearly had low expectations and did not expect me to >>>>> do anything independently. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com Sun Oct 21 20:02:47 2012 From: djdrocks22180 at audioaccessfm.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 16:02:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Info For Tonight's Nabs Membership Call Wwith Streamming Inffoo included Message-ID: <1D5CD67A22384E808F1554478C0CBBA6@WildJasmine> hi There! Below is the advertisement about tonight's nabs conference call with internet streaming information included Greetings fellow blind students, In the words of former U.S. president Franklyn D. Roosevelt, "Nobody will ever deprive American people of the right to vote accept for the American people themselves and the only way they could do this is by not voting." As a result, it is the goal of the NABS Membership Committee to ensure that no one deprives themselves of their right to vote because of a lack of information on accessible voting. Thus we want to extend an invitation to take part in our October membership call "the ABC's of voting." Join us on October 21st to hear from Luanne Blake from our national center on how to register to vote, voter rights in terms of completing your ballot independently, and how to file a complaint if your rights are violated. What: The ABC's of Voting Conference Call When: October 21, 2012 at 7:00 P.M. ET. Where: Conference Call Cconference Line Phone Number: 1-530-881-121 Code To Access The Conference Call: 757-809-541 Can't call in? The people at Audio Access FM have been kind enough to offer to stream this evening's presentation on aaudio Access FM, so to tune in via the internet visit http://www.audioaccess.fm We look forward to you joining us! The NABS Membership Committee From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 20:27:59 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:27:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <1146746551263600752@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Jedi, Your comments do resonate with me. While I have not gone through the multistep reflective process you have outlined, I have given some thought over the past few years to why I react the way I do to certain kinds of treatment from the sighted public. Like you, I have discovered that being touched or pulled bothers me because of the feelings of having my space invaded and, ultimately, because of loss of self-control. I agree with you that understanding these motives has helped me accept the fact that my resistance to being grabbed or manhandled is a normal and healthy response. I don't know if others experienced this, but I know when I was growing up, my parents would admonish me to be nice and accept any kind of well-intentioned treatment I got from sighted people regardless of how it made me feel. My parents had a number of friends who were very kind people but a bit patronizing toward me. They would often touch, hug, pull or otherwise invade my personal space and I would instinctively pull away or ask them to stop. My parents would often scold me for being rude to their nice friends and other people we encountered and, occasionally, would even threaten me with punishment if I was resistant toward their actions. I was also admonished not to assert my independence when kindhearted people at school or on the street offered assistance even if that help was actually anti-helpful. Now, I am not trying to say my parents were bad people because they're not. I think they wanted to raise children who were kind and polite and they did not understand how the well-intentioned attempts at affection or assistance actually threatened my sense of dignity. It has only been in the last few years that I've learned not to be ashamed of my feelings of discomfort when well-intentioned people did things that undermined my sense of self-control. And when it really comes down to it, being grabbed or pulled around is a safety issue. I have realized that my reactions are normal and natural and this has been quite liberating. I would be interested in participating in a conference call about how to handle difficult interactions with members of the public, particularly when these members of the public have the intention of being kind rather than purposely discriminating against us. There are a number of difficult issues involved. Best, Arielle On 10/21/12, Jedi Moerke wrote: > The balance really isn't that difficult. We all know what could be > classified as appropriate treatment and in appropriate treatment. Each of us > have different boundaries. The way you figure out when it's right for you to > fight or when it's right for you to roll with the punches is a very personal > thing. I have a native American friend of mine that uses his own > decision-making process based on one developed by the Institute of cultural > affairs. It goes something like this: > > The What: This is the objective aspect of what happened. So, to the best of > your ability, think about the incident as though you were an outsider. This > is the time to think about both sides. In other words, what might have the > other person been thinking? What were you thinking? What was said? What was > done? That sort of thing. > > The Gut: This is the reflective aspect of what happened. How did you feel > about the incident? One way you can figure out your motions is by checking > out your physical responses to the experience. Does your stomach feel > differently? does your chest feel differently? what about your > breathing?Are your muscles relaxed or tense? What emotion words come to > mind? The emotional or reflective aspect of what's happening can give you a > clue as to why this particular event is important. > > So What: This part of the process is where you determine how important this > is. The other part of this is to figure out why it's important. So think of > this section as the significance section. Maybe a particular event is > important because it represents the pattern either for you personally or for > blind people generally. As you think about the significance of an event, you > may notice that more emotions crop up for you. Take note and add this to > your reflective section. You may also gain some objective insights here. > Let's use our carnival example. This one incident may, in someway, represent > the acts of discrimination of blind people face generally. So for a given > individual, this incident might represent something very very important. For > someone else, this incident may represent a lack of education. Again, this > brings about a sense of importance. And for some of us, it may represent > nothing at all. It may simply represent someone's being stupid. And that > case, there may not Be much importance at all. So, like I said before, it's > quite personal. The level of importance, the feelings you feel, and the > objective incident itself Will help you figure out what to do next. > > Now What: Now comes the decision. What are you going to do next? If you > think this matter represents and incidents requiring education, your next > step simply might be to educate. If you feel that more action is required, > you may consider escalating the conflict to a supervisor or even to legal > action. If you think the guy is just being stupid, your decision maybe just > a laugh it off. Again, this is a purely personal matter. > > This decisional process takes time to develop. The more you practice it, the > easier it gets. You will come to a point when you can go through each step > in a matter of seconds. For the first little while, you may find That you > have to reexperience a moment ex post facto. Most of the time, you may not > be able to remedy the situation at this time. On the other hand, you can use > this as a teaching moment for yourself. You'll start to notice patterns and > yourself, and that's partially what makes this process go a lot quicker as > you get better. > > There will be times when it truly is not feasible to either go through the > process or to take the decision to its final outcome. The important thing is > to go through the process anyway and your mind afterward. This will help you > clear up any emotional tension left behind from the experience. It will also > help you move on. You will likely gain some insights about yourself. For > example, this process helped me realize that I don't like to be touched by > strangers. This was the real reason why I do not like to be pushed and > prodded by people and their attempts to guide me. I also figured out that I > feel a loss of control when people push and pull me. This process finally > helped me to realize that these emotions are perfectly natural. Many sided > people would feel the same way if in the same circumstance. Since figuring > that out, I have been able to communicate these feelings to sighted people > in such a way that they understand. The end result has been a sort of > dialogue as education. The added bonus is that my issue was suddenly taken > out of the blindness context. I really feel like taking things out of the > blindness context sometimes helps me to advocate for myself better. > Especially since some of these issues are so charged in our community. > > I don't know if any of this resonates with any of you, but if it does, I > would be willing to put a conference call together regarding this process. I > can probably get my native American friend to come and lead the discussion. > This process is part of an over all communication system called the elements > of honor. I personally found the elements of honor to be an incredibly > powerful resource in my life. I had a lot of issues with the sighted > population when I joined his workshops. After learning the system and > putting it to good use, I noticed that my problems with the sighted > community seem to diminish greatly. > > I would like to add one more final thought before I go. I think we sometimes > carry an invisible audience with us into situations like these. I have felt > in the past that it was my responsibility to represent the entire blind > community in every interaction I ever had. So in effect, it felt like having > each of you in my back pocket wherever I went. As you might've guessed, we > all have different opinions on how these things ought to be handled. And so > I sort of felt like I had several critics telling me do this, do that, don't > do this, don't do that. I really feel like the added stress of the > invisible audience actually made my reactions to situations much more severe > than they could have been otherwise. So remember, at the end of the day, we > all have to deal with these issues in a very personal way. At the end of the > day, we essentially represent ourselves and our own preferences. The > preferences of others serve to educate our own minds as to the variety of > options available to us, but they should never dictate what we do in a > particular situation, especially if the advice is not in keeping with our > own personal Process. > > I hope that helps. > > Respectfully > Jedi > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Kirt Manwaring > wrote: > >> John, >> I think knowing when to speak up and when to let things go is >> probably the hardest thing about being an independent blind person. >> Best of luck to you! >> >> On 10/20/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: >>> I totally agree! You could also contact your NFB chapter or state >>> president, and maybe they would be able to help you. I think the best >>> course of action here is to be proactive and to educate them before >>> the embarrassment happens. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 20, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Mauricio Almeida >>> wrote: >>> >>>> greetings, >>>> >>>> While i have never had a situation exactly like this one, I thought I >>>> would point out my views on some of the issues discussed herein. >>>> I strongly agree that you should take some kind of action regarding >>>> this >>>> matter, because it is because we let go of things in the past that we >>>> need >>>> to deal with these situations nowadays. >>>> however, coming to us and sharing your experience, is already an >>>> action. >>>> You have allowed yourself to calm down, and you have accepted the >>>> situation understanding that it is not your fault for having a >>>> disability, >>>> but his fault for not knowing how to seal with the situation and being >>>> totally inappropriate about it. >>>> This is a big step within itself. >>>> About further action, I would fill a complaint with the place's >>>> management, as suggested in the first reply of this e-mail, and stand >>>> by. >>>> if the issue persist, then consider additional steps. >>>> The important thing is to remember how to distinguish ignorance from >>>> prejudice. many people do not know what the blind can do, which is why >>>> sometimes they ask way to many questions over a simples matter. in >>>> those >>>> cases, the best approach is to educate them. >>>> when however the person is purposefully making you embarrassed, (or >>>> whenever it seems to be this way) don't hesitate to take an aggressive >>>> stance. >>>> >>>> sincerely, >>>> >>>> Mauricio Almeida >>>> Vice president: Michigan association of blind students >>>> On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good evening, carnival chick, >>>>> >>>>> Let it go! Just consider what the attendant's attentions probably were >>>>> and his experience with blindness. He probably has neither. At 05:08 >>>>> PM >>>>> 10/19/2012, you wrote: >>>>>> I'm wondering if anyone else besides me has had an incident like the >>>>>> one >>>>>> I'm about to discuss. This does not have to necessarily be at a >>>>>> carnival; this can be anywhere. I am trying to figure out what to do >>>>>> to >>>>>> take action against the person involved in this situation and am >>>>>> looking >>>>>> for advice. >>>>>> >>>>>> I went to our state fair today to hang out at the carnival. I always >>>>>> have fun and today was no exception. I am a very big fan of walking >>>>>> through funhouses, especially the ones that are like obstacle courses >>>>>> with moving floors, turntables, and the like. My favorite one is a >>>>>> massive 4-story one called the King's Circus. First, let me say that >>>>>> it >>>>>> is absolutely crucial that a blind person get help when he/she walks >>>>>> through this. There are openings that you have to watch out for while >>>>>> navigating certain tricks and also some tricky maneuvering if you use >>>>>> a >>>>>> long cane. For instance, the first thing you encounter is a large >>>>>> turntable that you step on to to ride around to the entrance. You >>>>>> have >>>>>> to watch for an opening and the gap is too narrow to put your cane >>>>>> through once you step on and grab the pole. You have to step off >>>>>> while >>>>>> said platform is spinning and could have a really nasty accident if >>>>>> someone is not there to make sure you didn't miss it; I nearly have >>>>>> planted my face in the wall when trying to do it independently. I >>>>>> have >>>>>> been through this funhouse five times, not counting today, and have >>>>>> had >>>>>> no issues with getting help from attendants. The guys who ran it in >>>>>> the >>>>>> past were totally awesome and did not treat blindness as an issue. >>>>>> Today >>>>>> they didn't either. However, there was one attendant in particular >>>>>> who >>>>>> decided that it was necessary to publicly embarrass me. He asked my >>>>>> companion if he had ever heard of the school for the blind; I only >>>>>> found >>>>>> this out later because I went up to go down the 4-story slide from >>>>>> the >>>>>> top of the building. My companion chose not to as he is a big guy and >>>>>> the slide is a tight fit. No problem. HOwever, he then proceeded to >>>>>> yell >>>>>> to the entire funhouse that a blind person was there and getting >>>>>> ready >>>>>> to come down. I understand that I needed to wait until the person I >>>>>> was >>>>>> with got down the stairs, but was totally embarrassed by his actions. >>>>>> He >>>>>> did not let me get a word in either. This was the culmination of a >>>>>> series of incidents. First he made everyone cut in front of me at a >>>>>> particular floor trick that he thought I could not do. I proved him >>>>>> wrong on that one. However, he would not allow me to explore on my >>>>>> own >>>>>> like the other guys used to do. I was usually followed at a >>>>>> respectful >>>>>> distance and left to my own devices once I got past the entry >>>>>> turntable >>>>>> and moving stairs, only getting help when I needed to check that the >>>>>> path was clear and also to help me bypass things I did not want to >>>>>> do, >>>>>> like the hamster wheel. I do not mind waiting to go down the slide as >>>>>> someone has always told me when it is clear. He also made everyone go >>>>>> ahead of me because of blindness. Again, I could not get a word in to >>>>>> him to ask him to back off. I am trying to figure out what to do to >>>>>> take >>>>>> action against this person. I never got his name, but I do have a >>>>>> recording of the walk as evidence of what happened. Mind you, the >>>>>> funhouse was crowded today so I understand that I could not explore >>>>>> too >>>>>> much. But this guy clearly had low expectations and did not expect me >>>>>> to >>>>>> do anything independently. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 20:52:56 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:52:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] need some help with readers/ tutors In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20121016100820.01bef760@comcast.net> References: <002401cdac71$47b83970$d728ac50$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121016100820.01bef760@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Becky, I have a couple suggestions. First, you could ask if someone in one of your classes (ideally the one with the greatest reading load) could read for you in exchange for a free meal (i.e. buy them pizza). If it's someone in your class who has to do the reading anyway, it shouldn't be too much of a hardship for them to read the material aloud to you, especially if you are compensating them with food or something similar. You could also find out if there are any volunteer organizations on campus with members who would like to read for volunteer credit. Finally, if you are having trouble comprehending material, are there free tutoring centers you can go to for help? Many colleges and universities provide these services. Also take advantage of your professors' office hours. Hope this helps, and best of luck, Arielle On 10/16/12, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good morning, Becky, > > I went to Metro for a briefest of whiles when I lived in > Denver and Littleton, in '02-03. I would suggest, utilizing disabled > students office. /Also, recruiting readers/tutors in your classes is > usually an efficient means. Keep us posted okay, Becky? > Best of luck. Car, Berkeley, California/17/2012, becky sabo wrote: >> Hi everyone, >>I was wondering if any one could help me out or give me some suggestions >> for >>school. I am struggling in school. I graduated with my AA this summer >> from >>the community college of Denver than I started this fall at Metro state >>University. My DVR councilor stop paying my reader and she had to quit >>because of financial issues. I am trying to fine new readers but I do not >>know how to go about that any help would be great. I started out doing >> full >>time but I was failing one of them so I dropped it now I am hurting in my >>other classes and I do not want to drop out but I do not know what to do. >>My mom and dad have been helping me but they said they can not help me >>because they are retired but I do have other disabilities and school is >> very >>hard but I want to successed. So my question is where do I go or what to >> do >>next' >>Thanks again. >>Becky Sabo >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >>Silverman >>Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:51 PM >>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>Subject: [nabs-l] Budgeting >> >>Hi all, >>I think keeping a monthly budget is a good skill for all students to >> learn. >>I will describe the method I use for my own budget. You don't have to do >> it >>this way, but I do think it is important to have some formal way of >> tracking >>how much money you have and how much you can afford to spend on a weekly >> or >>monthly basis. I think this is especially critical for those of us on >> fixed >>incomes. Once you have a budget, you will be able to tell not only when >> you >>need to cut back on your spending, but also when you are "ahead of the >> game" >>and can afford to spend a little more. >> >>Before creating your budget, I suggest looking at your past three bank >>statements and noting a few things. First, note exactly how much money you >>get per month, from all regular sources such as wages from a job, SSI, >>checks from family, scholarship funds, etc. Also, note all expenses you >> have >>that are mandatory or non-negotiable that come up every month, such as >> rent >>and bills. >>I keep my budget as an Excel spreadsheet and when I used to have a Braille >>Note, I kept it on that. First create an entry titled "income" >>and enter your total monthly income into that cell. If for example, you >> earn >>$500 each month from wages, and an additional $500 from Social Security, >> and >>this happens every single month, you would put >>1000 into the income box. >>Below that make an entry called "fixed expenses" and add up all of your >>bills and other non-negotiable expenses you have to pay every month. >>Examples might include: rent, utilities, Internet charges, cell phone >> bill, >>doctor and pharmacy bills, etc. Note I don't count groceries as a fixed >>expense because even though buying groceries is required for survival, the >>actual amount you spend on groceries is flexible and can be changed from >>month to month, whereas the amount you spend on your cell phone bill is >>generally the same from month to month. You might want to designate a >>minimum grocery payment as a fixed expense to make sure you've set aside >>some money for groceries, and then allow yourself to spend more than that >>minimum on groceries if you have extra discretionary money (see below). >> For >>our hypothetical example of the person getting $1000 per month, suppose >> that >>person pays $400 monthly rent, $50 utilities, a $75 cell phone bill, $50 >>Internet bill and $25 to refill a prescription medication. >>That person has a total of $600 in fixed expenses per month. >>Once you have carefully added up all your fixed expenses, subtract the >> fixed >>expense total from your total income. What you have left is "discretionary >>money" which you can spend on anything you want. Our hypothetical person >> has >>$400 per month in discretionary money that he/she can spend on whatever. >> You >>might choose to further divide your discretionary money into more >>categories, for example, giving yourself >>$100 to spend on clothes, $100 for groceries, $100 for transportation and >>$100 for other stuff. It is really up to you and only you know what kinds >> of >>things you like to spend your money on. The big key is just to make sure >>that in a month you don't spend more than what you have available for >>discretionary spending, so this person should not spend more than $400 per >>month on optional or discretionary things. >>Now, this next part is really important. Once you have your budget and >> know >>how much leftover money you have for discretionary expenses, every time >> you >>buy something, even if it's just a $5 lunch, go back to your budget and >>subtract that amount from what you have designated as discretionary money. >>That way, you will be able to see right away if your funds are getting low >>and can make a decision not to buy that new party outfit, etc. If, >> however, >>it's almost the end of the month and you still have quite a bit of >>discretionary money left over, you can treat yourself to something nice >>without feeling guilty, because you will know that you will still have >>enough money left to get through the rest of the month. >>If I have discretionary money left over at the end of the month, I will >> put >>that extra money into a category called "savings". Once my savings adds >> up, >>I can use it for bigger expenses, like taking a trip. >>If you have money saved from previous months, you won't have to dip into >>your discretionary fund for the current month when an occasional big >>expense, like a trip, comes up. >>The budget is also really helpful for making decisions, like whether to >> move >>out of one's family home or whether to move to a cheaper place. If you are >>putting lots of extra money into savings each month, then you can probably >>afford to pay more rent, but if you are perpetually running out of >>discretionary funds before the end of the month, then it might be time to >>cut back either on the discretionary expenses (i.e. not buying a coffee >>every day) or on the fixed expenses (i.e. by moving to a cheaper apartment >>or cutting back on the cell phone plan). >>In order to make the budget work, it is important to be good about setting >>it up on the first day of each month (or whenever your payday >>is) and then recording each and every time you spend money. Keeping >> regular >>tabs on your checking account and any credit cards you have will ensure >> you >>don't miss an expense. >>I know this sounds complicated, so I'd be happy to talk more off-list or >> by >>phone. I do think it is a worthwhile thing to do in spite of the minor >>hassle. >>Best, >>Arielle >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/beckyasabo%40gmail.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 21:30:35 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:30:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation In-Reply-To: References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> <0D7A39428BC04F649F0B3ECCF630E6C0@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: For most computers, once you get someone to start the slide show, you can simply press the space key to move to the next slide. You can do a little test just to make sure that works, but if it does, then you should be able to stand up next to the computer and advance the slides yourself by pressing the space key. I just did that last week when I gave a presentation at a conference where everyone was presenting from one computer. If you use Braille I highly recommend using either Braille note cards or writing out detailed notes and having them embossed on your embosser or by someone in your disability services office if you have one. Listening to JAWS through headphones might work, but in my experience it slows things down. Also I find that having detailed notes of what I am going to say (not just what's written on the slides, but what I actually want to say) is very helpful. I have a pretty good memory, but when I have to get up in front of people and especially professors, I sometimes have a hard time keeping my ideas organized without the Brailled notes. I know many sighted people write out talks that they give too. As for learning how to create PowerPoint presentations, the tutorials may help, but one of the quickest ways to learn is just to open up a presentation and then use Insert F1 to listen to the JAWS context-sensitive help. It will tell you where you are, what type of slide it is, and how to navigate around the slide or edit slide content. This is how I learned, by opening up a presentation someone sent me and using Insert F1 to get feedback about how the presentation was laid out and how to navigate. You can email me offlist if you have more specific questions. Best, Arielle On 10/17/12, Gloria G wrote: > Thanks Sendy for these suggestions. I will talk to my professor and see if I > > can get someone to assist me in slide changes. > Gloria > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia Bennett" > To: "Misty Dawn Bradley" ; "National Association of > > Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > > >>I recommend the tutorial as well. I also have some notes at home, and >> I'll look through those and let you know of anything if I get a >> chance. >> >> There are a couple of ways you could present. You could connect your >> laptop to the projector and have your headphones in so people wouldn't >> hear the speech. You could just pick up your headphones if you wanted >> to change slides. If your presentation has sound, you can route JAWS >> through your headphones. I am not sure of how to do this, but I am >> sure it is online somewhere. >> >> I have had to do PowerPoints. Although I went to college before I went >> to training in which I learned how to create them more independently, >> I would have a reader look over it and design my slides. You will want >> to make the presentation visually appealing. However, if you read the >> tutorials, it wouldn't take a reader long to look over and make slight >> color changes if necessary. I think it is just a good thing to do. >> >> I didn't hook up my laptop to the projector. In some classrooms, it >> could be cumbersome. Instead, I got a volunteer from the class to >> change slides when I prompted. I then used my notes and broke them up >> by slide. >> >> I totally support being independent and hooking your own computer up, >> but it would be advisable to check out the projector in your class and >> do a trial run. If people do presentations off of their own laptops >> all the time, then it will probably work, but I know that technology >> is fickle. Maybe you could have the volunteer method as a backup if >> your laptop doesn't work with the projector. >> >> Cindy >> >> On 10/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>> Hi Gloria, >>> I am not sure if you are using JAWS or what version of Powerpoint you >>> have, >>> >>> but Freedom Scientific has a tutorial on how to use Powerpoint 2003 and >>> Powerpoint 2007 with JAWS. I found that it helped me a lot this semester >>> >>> in >>> >>> one of my classes, so it may help you also. It tells you how to create a >>> powerpoint presentation and how to go through your powerpoint >>> presentation >>> while presenting using keystrokes. It also has a downloadable version of >>> >>> the >>> >>> tutorial for offline use as well as practice files. >>> Here is the link: >>> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/training-powerpoint.asp >>> Hth, >>> Misty >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gloria G" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >>> >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I >>>> >>>> am >>>> >>>> having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have >>>> never >>>> >>>> put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group >>>> projects in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my >>>> information and another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone >>>> had >>>> >>>> to do this and how have you handled it? I am also concern when the >>>> presentation comes how to go through the powerpoint during the >>>> presentation. Any help is welcomed. >>>> Thanks >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cynthia Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> 828.989.5383 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 22:04:56 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:04:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation In-Reply-To: References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> <0D7A39428BC04F649F0B3ECCF630E6C0@acerd37f251f21> Message-ID: <-7285532686558693881@unknownmsgid> This works for me too. Just make sure you're in the slide view mode. (I think that's what it's called.) Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > For most computers, once you get someone to start the slide show, you > can simply press the space key to move to the next slide. You can do a > little test just to make sure that works, but if it does, then you > should be able to stand up next to the computer and advance the slides > yourself by pressing the space key. I just did that last week when I > gave a presentation at a conference where everyone was presenting from > one computer. > If you use Braille I highly recommend using either Braille note cards > or writing out detailed notes and having them embossed on your > embosser or by someone in your disability services office if you have > one. Listening to JAWS through headphones might work, but in my > experience it slows things down. Also I find that having detailed > notes of what I am going to say (not just what's written on the > slides, but what I actually want to say) is very helpful. I have a > pretty good memory, but when I have to get up in front of people and > especially professors, I sometimes have a hard time keeping my ideas > organized without the Brailled notes. I know many sighted people write > out talks that they give too. > As for learning how to create PowerPoint presentations, the tutorials > may help, but one of the quickest ways to learn is just to open up a > presentation and then use Insert F1 to listen to the JAWS > context-sensitive help. It will tell you where you are, what type of > slide it is, and how to navigate around the slide or edit slide > content. This is how I learned, by opening up a presentation someone > sent me and using Insert F1 to get feedback about how the presentation > was laid out and how to navigate. You can email me offlist if you have > more specific questions. > Best, > Arielle > > On 10/17/12, Gloria G wrote: >> Thanks Sendy for these suggestions. I will talk to my professor and see if I >> >> can get someone to assist me in slide changes. >> Gloria >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cynthia Bennett" >> To: "Misty Dawn Bradley" ; "National Association of >> >> Blind Students mailing list" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >> >> >>> I recommend the tutorial as well. I also have some notes at home, and >>> I'll look through those and let you know of anything if I get a >>> chance. >>> >>> There are a couple of ways you could present. You could connect your >>> laptop to the projector and have your headphones in so people wouldn't >>> hear the speech. You could just pick up your headphones if you wanted >>> to change slides. If your presentation has sound, you can route JAWS >>> through your headphones. I am not sure of how to do this, but I am >>> sure it is online somewhere. >>> >>> I have had to do PowerPoints. Although I went to college before I went >>> to training in which I learned how to create them more independently, >>> I would have a reader look over it and design my slides. You will want >>> to make the presentation visually appealing. However, if you read the >>> tutorials, it wouldn't take a reader long to look over and make slight >>> color changes if necessary. I think it is just a good thing to do. >>> >>> I didn't hook up my laptop to the projector. In some classrooms, it >>> could be cumbersome. Instead, I got a volunteer from the class to >>> change slides when I prompted. I then used my notes and broke them up >>> by slide. >>> >>> I totally support being independent and hooking your own computer up, >>> but it would be advisable to check out the projector in your class and >>> do a trial run. If people do presentations off of their own laptops >>> all the time, then it will probably work, but I know that technology >>> is fickle. Maybe you could have the volunteer method as a backup if >>> your laptop doesn't work with the projector. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>> On 10/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>>> Hi Gloria, >>>> I am not sure if you are using JAWS or what version of Powerpoint you >>>> have, >>>> >>>> but Freedom Scientific has a tutorial on how to use Powerpoint 2003 and >>>> Powerpoint 2007 with JAWS. I found that it helped me a lot this semester >>>> >>>> in >>>> >>>> one of my classes, so it may help you also. It tells you how to create a >>>> powerpoint presentation and how to go through your powerpoint >>>> presentation >>>> while presenting using keystrokes. It also has a downloadable version of >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> tutorial for offline use as well as practice files. >>>> Here is the link: >>>> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/training-powerpoint.asp >>>> Hth, >>>> Misty >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gloria G" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I >>>>> >>>>> am >>>>> >>>>> having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have >>>>> never >>>>> >>>>> put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group >>>>> projects in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my >>>>> information and another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone >>>>> had >>>>> >>>>> to do this and how have you handled it? I am also concern when the >>>>> presentation comes how to go through the powerpoint during the >>>>> presentation. Any help is welcomed. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cynthia Bennett >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> 828.989.5383 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 22:08:45 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:08:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <1146746551263600752@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <-7150686729604252506@unknownmsgid> Arielle, Great post as always! I agree! That would be a good topic for a conference call, maybe a nabs membership call sometime. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Jedi, > Your comments do resonate with me. While I have not gone through the > multistep reflective process you have outlined, I have given some > thought over the past few years to why I react the way I do to certain > kinds of treatment from the sighted public. Like you, I have > discovered that being touched or pulled bothers me because of the > feelings of having my space invaded and, ultimately, because of loss > of self-control. I agree with you that understanding these motives has > helped me accept the fact that my resistance to being grabbed or > manhandled is a normal and healthy response. > I don't know if others experienced this, but I know when I was growing > up, my parents would admonish me to be nice and accept any kind of > well-intentioned treatment I got from sighted people regardless of how > it made me feel. My parents had a number of friends who were very kind > people but a bit patronizing toward me. They would often touch, hug, > pull or otherwise invade my personal space and I would instinctively > pull away or ask them to stop. My parents would often scold me for > being rude to their nice friends and other people we encountered and, > occasionally, would even threaten me with punishment if I was > resistant toward their actions. I was also admonished not to assert my > independence when kindhearted people at school or on the street > offered assistance even if that help was actually anti-helpful. Now, I > am not trying to say my parents were bad people because they're not. I > think they wanted to raise children who were kind and polite and they > did not understand how the well-intentioned attempts at affection or > assistance actually threatened my sense of dignity. It has only been > in the last few years that I've learned not to be ashamed of my > feelings of discomfort when well-intentioned people did things that > undermined my sense of self-control. And when it really comes down to > it, being grabbed or pulled around is a safety issue. I have realized > that my reactions are normal and natural and this has been quite > liberating. > I would be interested in participating in a conference call about how > to handle difficult interactions with members of the public, > particularly when these members of the public have the intention of > being kind rather than purposely discriminating against us. There are > a number of difficult issues involved. > Best, > Arielle > > On 10/21/12, Jedi Moerke wrote: >> The balance really isn't that difficult. We all know what could be >> classified as appropriate treatment and in appropriate treatment. Each of us >> have different boundaries. The way you figure out when it's right for you to >> fight or when it's right for you to roll with the punches is a very personal >> thing. I have a native American friend of mine that uses his own >> decision-making process based on one developed by the Institute of cultural >> affairs. It goes something like this: >> >> The What: This is the objective aspect of what happened. So, to the best of >> your ability, think about the incident as though you were an outsider. This >> is the time to think about both sides. In other words, what might have the >> other person been thinking? What were you thinking? What was said? What was >> done? That sort of thing. >> >> The Gut: This is the reflective aspect of what happened. How did you feel >> about the incident? One way you can figure out your motions is by checking >> out your physical responses to the experience. Does your stomach feel >> differently? does your chest feel differently? what about your >> breathing?Are your muscles relaxed or tense? What emotion words come to >> mind? The emotional or reflective aspect of what's happening can give you a >> clue as to why this particular event is important. >> >> So What: This part of the process is where you determine how important this >> is. The other part of this is to figure out why it's important. So think of >> this section as the significance section. Maybe a particular event is >> important because it represents the pattern either for you personally or for >> blind people generally. As you think about the significance of an event, you >> may notice that more emotions crop up for you. Take note and add this to >> your reflective section. You may also gain some objective insights here. >> Let's use our carnival example. This one incident may, in someway, represent >> the acts of discrimination of blind people face generally. So for a given >> individual, this incident might represent something very very important. For >> someone else, this incident may represent a lack of education. Again, this >> brings about a sense of importance. And for some of us, it may represent >> nothing at all. It may simply represent someone's being stupid. And that >> case, there may not Be much importance at all. So, like I said before, it's >> quite personal. The level of importance, the feelings you feel, and the >> objective incident itself Will help you figure out what to do next. >> >> Now What: Now comes the decision. What are you going to do next? If you >> think this matter represents and incidents requiring education, your next >> step simply might be to educate. If you feel that more action is required, >> you may consider escalating the conflict to a supervisor or even to legal >> action. If you think the guy is just being stupid, your decision maybe just >> a laugh it off. Again, this is a purely personal matter. >> >> This decisional process takes time to develop. The more you practice it, the >> easier it gets. You will come to a point when you can go through each step >> in a matter of seconds. For the first little while, you may find That you >> have to reexperience a moment ex post facto. Most of the time, you may not >> be able to remedy the situation at this time. On the other hand, you can use >> this as a teaching moment for yourself. You'll start to notice patterns and >> yourself, and that's partially what makes this process go a lot quicker as >> you get better. >> >> There will be times when it truly is not feasible to either go through the >> process or to take the decision to its final outcome. The important thing is >> to go through the process anyway and your mind afterward. This will help you >> clear up any emotional tension left behind from the experience. It will also >> help you move on. You will likely gain some insights about yourself. For >> example, this process helped me realize that I don't like to be touched by >> strangers. This was the real reason why I do not like to be pushed and >> prodded by people and their attempts to guide me. I also figured out that I >> feel a loss of control when people push and pull me. This process finally >> helped me to realize that these emotions are perfectly natural. Many sided >> people would feel the same way if in the same circumstance. Since figuring >> that out, I have been able to communicate these feelings to sighted people >> in such a way that they understand. The end result has been a sort of >> dialogue as education. The added bonus is that my issue was suddenly taken >> out of the blindness context. I really feel like taking things out of the >> blindness context sometimes helps me to advocate for myself better. >> Especially since some of these issues are so charged in our community. >> >> I don't know if any of this resonates with any of you, but if it does, I >> would be willing to put a conference call together regarding this process. I >> can probably get my native American friend to come and lead the discussion. >> This process is part of an over all communication system called the elements >> of honor. I personally found the elements of honor to be an incredibly >> powerful resource in my life. I had a lot of issues with the sighted >> population when I joined his workshops. After learning the system and >> putting it to good use, I noticed that my problems with the sighted >> community seem to diminish greatly. >> >> I would like to add one more final thought before I go. I think we sometimes >> carry an invisible audience with us into situations like these. I have felt >> in the past that it was my responsibility to represent the entire blind >> community in every interaction I ever had. So in effect, it felt like having >> each of you in my back pocket wherever I went. As you might've guessed, we >> all have different opinions on how these things ought to be handled. And so >> I sort of felt like I had several critics telling me do this, do that, don't >> do this, don't do that. I really feel like the added stress of the >> invisible audience actually made my reactions to situations much more severe >> than they could have been otherwise. So remember, at the end of the day, we >> all have to deal with these issues in a very personal way. At the end of the >> day, we essentially represent ourselves and our own preferences. The >> preferences of others serve to educate our own minds as to the variety of >> options available to us, but they should never dictate what we do in a >> particular situation, especially if the advice is not in keeping with our >> own personal Process. >> >> I hope that helps. >> >> Respectfully >> Jedi >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Kirt Manwaring >> wrote: >> >>> John, >>> I think knowing when to speak up and when to let things go is >>> probably the hardest thing about being an independent blind person. >>> Best of luck to you! >>> >>> On 10/20/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: >>>> I totally agree! You could also contact your NFB chapter or state >>>> president, and maybe they would be able to help you. I think the best >>>> course of action here is to be proactive and to educate them before >>>> the embarrassment happens. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 20, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Mauricio Almeida >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> greetings, >>>>> >>>>> While i have never had a situation exactly like this one, I thought I >>>>> would point out my views on some of the issues discussed herein. >>>>> I strongly agree that you should take some kind of action regarding >>>>> this >>>>> matter, because it is because we let go of things in the past that we >>>>> need >>>>> to deal with these situations nowadays. >>>>> however, coming to us and sharing your experience, is already an >>>>> action. >>>>> You have allowed yourself to calm down, and you have accepted the >>>>> situation understanding that it is not your fault for having a >>>>> disability, >>>>> but his fault for not knowing how to seal with the situation and being >>>>> totally inappropriate about it. >>>>> This is a big step within itself. >>>>> About further action, I would fill a complaint with the place's >>>>> management, as suggested in the first reply of this e-mail, and stand >>>>> by. >>>>> if the issue persist, then consider additional steps. >>>>> The important thing is to remember how to distinguish ignorance from >>>>> prejudice. many people do not know what the blind can do, which is why >>>>> sometimes they ask way to many questions over a simples matter. in >>>>> those >>>>> cases, the best approach is to educate them. >>>>> when however the person is purposefully making you embarrassed, (or >>>>> whenever it seems to be this way) don't hesitate to take an aggressive >>>>> stance. >>>>> >>>>> sincerely, >>>>> >>>>> Mauricio Almeida >>>>> Vice president: Michigan association of blind students >>>>> On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Good evening, carnival chick, >>>>>> >>>>>> Let it go! Just consider what the attendant's attentions probably were >>>>>> and his experience with blindness. He probably has neither. At 05:08 >>>>>> PM >>>>>> 10/19/2012, you wrote: >>>>>>> I'm wondering if anyone else besides me has had an incident like the >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> I'm about to discuss. This does not have to necessarily be at a >>>>>>> carnival; this can be anywhere. I am trying to figure out what to do >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> take action against the person involved in this situation and am >>>>>>> looking >>>>>>> for advice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I went to our state fair today to hang out at the carnival. I always >>>>>>> have fun and today was no exception. I am a very big fan of walking >>>>>>> through funhouses, especially the ones that are like obstacle courses >>>>>>> with moving floors, turntables, and the like. My favorite one is a >>>>>>> massive 4-story one called the King's Circus. First, let me say that >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> is absolutely crucial that a blind person get help when he/she walks >>>>>>> through this. There are openings that you have to watch out for while >>>>>>> navigating certain tricks and also some tricky maneuvering if you use >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> long cane. For instance, the first thing you encounter is a large >>>>>>> turntable that you step on to to ride around to the entrance. You >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> to watch for an opening and the gap is too narrow to put your cane >>>>>>> through once you step on and grab the pole. You have to step off >>>>>>> while >>>>>>> said platform is spinning and could have a really nasty accident if >>>>>>> someone is not there to make sure you didn't miss it; I nearly have >>>>>>> planted my face in the wall when trying to do it independently. I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> been through this funhouse five times, not counting today, and have >>>>>>> had >>>>>>> no issues with getting help from attendants. The guys who ran it in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> past were totally awesome and did not treat blindness as an issue. >>>>>>> Today >>>>>>> they didn't either. However, there was one attendant in particular >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> decided that it was necessary to publicly embarrass me. He asked my >>>>>>> companion if he had ever heard of the school for the blind; I only >>>>>>> found >>>>>>> this out later because I went up to go down the 4-story slide from >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> top of the building. My companion chose not to as he is a big guy and >>>>>>> the slide is a tight fit. No problem. HOwever, he then proceeded to >>>>>>> yell >>>>>>> to the entire funhouse that a blind person was there and getting >>>>>>> ready >>>>>>> to come down. I understand that I needed to wait until the person I >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> with got down the stairs, but was totally embarrassed by his actions. >>>>>>> He >>>>>>> did not let me get a word in either. This was the culmination of a >>>>>>> series of incidents. First he made everyone cut in front of me at a >>>>>>> particular floor trick that he thought I could not do. I proved him >>>>>>> wrong on that one. However, he would not allow me to explore on my >>>>>>> own >>>>>>> like the other guys used to do. I was usually followed at a >>>>>>> respectful >>>>>>> distance and left to my own devices once I got past the entry >>>>>>> turntable >>>>>>> and moving stairs, only getting help when I needed to check that the >>>>>>> path was clear and also to help me bypass things I did not want to >>>>>>> do, >>>>>>> like the hamster wheel. I do not mind waiting to go down the slide as >>>>>>> someone has always told me when it is clear. He also made everyone go >>>>>>> ahead of me because of blindness. Again, I could not get a word in to >>>>>>> him to ask him to back off. I am trying to figure out what to do to >>>>>>> take >>>>>>> action against this person. I never got his name, but I do have a >>>>>>> recording of the walk as evidence of what happened. Mind you, the >>>>>>> funhouse was crowded today so I understand that I could not explore >>>>>>> too >>>>>>> much. But this guy clearly had low expectations and did not expect me >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> do anything independently. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Oct 21 22:33:02 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:33:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation In-Reply-To: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> Message-ID: <4F2B69616F6249DF90B208224E6198AF@OwnerPC> Gloria, This question comes up a lot. I have played with powerpoint plus got training on it. One very helpful resource is the Hadley school for the blind webinars. If interested go to www.hadley.edu. Then click on seminars, then past seminars. Under the technology heading you will see two presentations for powerpoint. Click on part one, then listen to part 2 for more instructions on presenting and fancy effects. Do you have to add in transitions and animations to your slides? If not, its quite easy. To create the powerpoint, assumeing you have office 2010, do this. When it opens, you have a title slide. Press tab to go between the areas you type called place holders. Type the title. Press escape to go to object level then tab to the next place holder. I think you press enter to go to the edit level. Listen for jaws or your screen reader to say edit. When it says that, type your subtitle. I think the ribbon bar is a pain. It takes a while to move to various tabs, unlike the menu system we used to have. Anyway, if you do not need transitions or animations, no ribbon bar needed. Use standard office keyboard commands to move around your text; for instance, control c for copy, control v for paste, and of course control s for save. Insert a slide with command control M. By default you will have a title place holder and a body place holder. I recommend no more than five bullet points per slide. Also, do not clutter it with text. Its meant as an outline; use simple key phrases. You will add to what each bullet point says in your talk. Press control S to save. If you desire to change font, press control D for font dialogue box and press tab to go through it all. For presenting, I second what others said. Make braille notes for yourself and label by slide; meaning write slide 1 and then outline what you'll say, not just what is on the slide show; then write slide 2 and write notes. Have someone turn your slides as you go through. Some blind people use a laptop and jaws to hear their slides, but that seems like a lot of trouble. If you use the pc in the classroom, just have them turn the slides and you will be fine. Yes, many times pressing space in slide show mode works, but if you have animations, it won't always work like that. Good luck. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation Hi all, I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I am having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have never put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group projects in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my information and another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had to do this and how have you handled it? I am also concern when the presentation comes how to go through the powerpoint during the presentation. Any help is welcomed. Thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Oct 21 22:34:20 2012 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:34:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Public humiliation because of blindness. In-Reply-To: References: <0CE7537E-2B62-4875-AEEF-7920CA5B27C2@me.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20121019183108.01dd3bb8@comcast.net> <5036499D-CE67-4A2B-8205-6A5929E87C7C@gmail.com> <4A78349B-8B2A-47B1-866F-1E61BA6D7C3F@me.com> <-7223867085057420905@unknownmsgid> <7.0.1.0.2.20121020125644.01e64128@comcast.net> <8103479910953212871@unknownmsgid> <7.0.1.0.2.20121021073922.01be9288@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20121021153136.01dbb180@comcast.net> Good morning, Kurt, All those examples of when laughter is not a best course of action I thought, were a given. WWhat does it say about us to nnot be able to distinguish when making light, even laughter is not appropriate? I mean, c'mon, Kurt. What are you, sighted?09:55 AM 10/21/2012, you wrote: >Karlee, > Problem is it's not always a joke. When it's funny, I'll laugh >along with everyone. (just a couple days ago I got on a bus and I >wasn't really using my cane all that well and I accidentally sat on >someone's lap. I appologized and then couldn't stop laughing because >it just seemed comical to me.) But having your child taken away >because you're blind isn't comical. Not even being considered for a >job because you can't see certainly doesn't seem funny to me. When my >aunt, who our family was visiting, suggested my parents put a tracker >on my phone so they always know where I am and I don't get lost, it >was meant in all seriousness. True, many minorities have been >socially descriminated against throughout human history. What happens >to us as blind people is minor when compared to the holocaust, forced >physical slavery, being targeted by biological weapons, and the like. >However, that doesn't make the descrimination and hostile attitudes we >sometimes face somehow excusable or "okay." We often have the >responsibility to stand up, speak up and make sure people understand >we are capable and deserve to be treated as equal members of society, >with all the rights and responsibilities that go along with such a >claim. > Yes, sometimes raising hell about something won't get you anywhere. >Still, and I bet we disagree on this one and that's fine, but I think >sometimes raising hell about injustice is the only correct course of >action. Knowing when to do it is a challenge. > Best, >Kirt > >On 10/21/12, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > > > Good morning, Chris, > > > > Perhaps, if you feel your ego, your particular social standing is > > threatened, so is in need of defending. Yet, it Seems to me, if you > > just consider the multitudes who have been socially slited over the > > millennial, you could see that our personal slight is but a drop in > > the slighting, bucket not in need of such ardent, defense? Fact is, > > we are not completely, whole at least by mainn stream, standards. For > > this reason, I think we have a certain mystique, made more pronounced > > by our being obligated to take so much shit from society. Also, you > > could try smiling, laughing at the slights. If regarding the world > > with a smile, and a laugh, they have not killed your spirit. Make it > > a big joke, disarm people. rtain > > Car 10/21/2012, christopher nusbaum wrote: > >>It's not easy for all of us. We're told to "pick our battles, "but > >>that's easier said than done. > >> > >>Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>On Oct 21, 2012, at 12:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Carley, > >> > You make a lot of sense. People who take the total opposite > >> > position make, in my mind, just as much sense. Finding a balance > >> > between fighting battles when I need to but, as you said, rolling with > >> > the punches when fighting would be counterproductive, is one of the > >> > hardest things I'm trying to figure out in my own life right now. > >> > It's not easy. > >> > > >> > On 10/20/12, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > >> >> Good morning, > >> >> > >> >> Can't we cut the uninitiated a little slack? A state of ocular > >> >> Blindness ought not impede our remaining selective about our battles, > >> >> rolling with the punches. People's intentions, I'm sure aren't to > >> >> demean us. If we., as a people freak out over every little slight, or > >> >> what we deem an injustice, it seems it will further alienate us from > >> >> the mainstream, reducing us to reactionary and unintelligent enough > >> >> to identify a meaningful, struggle. Furthermore, ocularly blind folks > >> >> are not the only ones to get slighted, or demeaned. If you haven't > >> >> figured out yet this one is a rich, tradition of not treating folks > >> >> perceived to be abnormal as aliens, unequal and not entitled to basic > >> >> dignity? Who can cry for the rest of this culture's, whipping boys? > >> >> that we're not intelligent or perceptive enough to know when action > >> >> is a best course? > >> >> Letting it go, I believe, sends the message of not wanting special > >> >> treatment because of our blindness, a helllovva lot more than some > >> >> inservice about treating folks with ocular, blindness. > >> >> So, good on you for not being so reactionary! > >> >> Car > >> >>> You might want to write them or give them a call and talk to them > >> >>> about your concerns. It might not do anything for this year, but at > >> >>> least it will prepare them for the future. I think they need to know > >> >>> about this. > >> >>> > >> >>> Sent from my iPhone > >> >>> > >> >>> On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, John Moore > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> Hi guys. I'd lke to point out a few things. Brandon, you > >> >>> mentioned being willing to sign a waver. This particular midway is > >> >>> not run by one company. Various carnival providers bring in there > >> >>> best attractions, and the midway is what is known as an independent > >> >>> midway. I do not think they even have those wavers around anywhere; > >> >>> I have never been asked to sign one, nor have I even heard of > >> >>> people doing so at this fair. The guy in question was hired > >> >>> locally. I can guarantee you that if any of you go through this if > >> >>> it is at a fair near you, you will not encounter him. I found out > >> >>> later that he is a part-time paratransit driver for the Dallas Area > >> >>> Rapid Transit system. I'm going to just let it go. THe fair ends > >> >>> tomorrow, so nothing much could probably be done anyway. Finding > >> >>> out who specifically to contact is also a challenge and I have > >> >>> other things I need to do that are more important. i appreciate the > >> >>> advice, however. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> >>> for nabs-l: > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> nabs-l mailing list > >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >>> nabs-l: > >> >>> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> nabs-l mailing list > >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> nabs-l: > >> >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> for nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Mon Oct 22 00:15:39 2012 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 19:15:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> <4F2B69616F6249DF90B208224E6198AF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <000a01cdafea$5e1b7c00$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good evening Ashley and everyone, So what do you do if you're asked to make a presentation using PowerPoint and no one is able to run your slides for you? It seems to me that running your own slides during your presentation is far preferable than depending on someone else to do it for you. Particularly if you have access to a classroom computer or a laptop with screen reading software installed. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation Gloria, This question comes up a lot. I have played with powerpoint plus got training on it. One very helpful resource is the Hadley school for the blind webinars. If interested go to www.hadley.edu. Then click on seminars, then past seminars. Under the technology heading you will see two presentations for powerpoint. Click on part one, then listen to part 2 for more instructions on presenting and fancy effects. Do you have to add in transitions and animations to your slides? If not, its quite easy. To create the powerpoint, assumeing you have office 2010, do this. When it opens, you have a title slide. Press tab to go between the areas you type called place holders. Type the title. Press escape to go to object level then tab to the next place holder. I think you press enter to go to the edit level. Listen for jaws or your screen reader to say edit. When it says that, type your subtitle. I think the ribbon bar is a pain. It takes a while to move to various tabs, unlike the menu system we used to have. Anyway, if you do not need transitions or animations, no ribbon bar needed. Use standard office keyboard commands to move around your text; for instance, control c for copy, control v for paste, and of course control s for save. Insert a slide with command control M. By default you will have a title place holder and a body place holder. I recommend no more than five bullet points per slide. Also, do not clutter it with text. Its meant as an outline; use simple key phrases. You will add to what each bullet point says in your talk. Press control S to save. If you desire to change font, press control D for font dialogue box and press tab to go through it all. For presenting, I second what others said. Make braille notes for yourself and label by slide; meaning write slide 1 and then outline what you'll say, not just what is on the slide show; then write slide 2 and write notes. Have someone turn your slides as you go through. Some blind people use a laptop and jaws to hear their slides, but that seems like a lot of trouble. If you use the pc in the classroom, just have them turn the slides and you will be fine. Yes, many times pressing space in slide show mode works, but if you have animations, it won't always work like that. Good luck. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation Hi all, I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I am having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have never put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group projects in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my information and another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had to do this and how have you handled it? I am also concern when the presentation comes how to go through the powerpoint during the presentation. Any help is welcomed. Thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From kramc11 at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 00:28:37 2012 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:28:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria><4F2B69616F6249DF90B208224E6198AF@OwnerPC> <000a01cdafea$5e1b7c00$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <11308C2FCD0E46F4A9D5F053CDAFFED4@ownerf49ceb395> When presenting a PowerPoint in class, it is easy to run your own slides even without screen reading software on the classroom computer. Once you have someone open the PowerPoint for you, hitting F5 will start the slide show, and hitting the space bar will bring you to the next slide. All this requires is a good memory so that you know what each slide is about and the order of slides. PowerPoint slides are just supposed to be a couple bullet points or a chart to back up your points. When presenting you never read the slides verbatim, but instead elaborate on the bullet points or chart shown. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > Good evening Ashley and everyone, > > So what do you do if you're asked to make a presentation using > PowerPoint and no one is able to run your slides for you? It seems to me > that running your own slides during your presentation is far preferable > than > depending on someone else to do it for you. Particularly if you have > access > to a classroom computer or a laptop with screen reading software > installed. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > > > Gloria, > > This question comes up a lot. I have played with powerpoint plus got > training on it. > One very helpful resource is the Hadley school for the blind webinars. If > interested go to www.hadley.edu. > Then click on seminars, then past seminars. Under the technology heading > you > will see two presentations for powerpoint. > Click on part one, then listen to part 2 for more instructions on > presenting > and fancy effects. > > Do you have to add in transitions and animations to your slides? If not, > its > quite easy. > To create the powerpoint, assumeing you have office 2010, do this. > When it opens, you have a title slide. Press tab to go between the areas > you type called place holders. > Type the title. Press escape to go to object level then tab to the next > place holder. I think you press enter to go to the edit level. Listen for > jaws or your screen reader to say edit. When it says that, type your > subtitle. > > I think the ribbon bar is a pain. It takes a while to move to various > tabs, > unlike the menu system we used to have. Anyway, if you do not need > transitions or animations, no ribbon bar needed. Use standard office > keyboard commands to move around your text; for instance, control c for > copy, control v for paste, and of course control s for save. > > Insert a slide with command control M. By default you will have a title > place holder and a body place holder. I recommend no more than five bullet > points per slide. Also, do not clutter it with text. Its meant as an > outline; use simple key phrases. You will add to what each bullet point > says > in your talk. > > Press control S to save. If you desire to change font, press control D for > font dialogue box and press tab to go through it all. > > For presenting, I second what others said. Make braille notes for yourself > and label by slide; meaning write slide 1 and then outline what you'll > say, > not just what is on the slide show; then write slide 2 and write notes. > > Have someone turn your slides as you go through. Some blind people use a > laptop and jaws to hear their slides, but that seems like a lot of > trouble. > If you use the pc in the classroom, just have them turn the slides and you > will be fine. Yes, many times pressing space in slide show mode works, but > if you have animations, it won't always work like that. > > Good luck. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gloria G > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > > Hi all, > I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I am > having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have never > put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group > projects > in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my information and > another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had to do this and > how have you handled it? I am also concern when the presentation comes how > to go through the powerpoint during the presentation. Any help is > welcomed. > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Oct 22 00:31:40 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:31:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation In-Reply-To: <000a01cdafea$5e1b7c00$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria><4F2B69616F6249DF90B208224E6198AF@OwnerPC> <000a01cdafea$5e1b7c00$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <4C0406E813264E8E88CCEF87AFA71AE7@OwnerPC> Peter, Well, keep in mind you do not have access to jaws. I've been in many college classrooms at more than on institution since I opted to transfer. In class the class pc does NOT! have a screen reader. Moreover, I contend that hearing it will actually slow you down. As I said before you cannot advance the slides without jaws as you do not know what slide you are on. You will have access to a person whether a professor or fellow classmate. Your tone suggests we are not doing it right if we do it with assistance; actually part of independence is getting assistance. I will present at my internship and know what? The conference room does not have jaws. Again, no conference room in the building has jaws. SO I will get someone to turn slides and I'm still presenting professionally and independently because I have notes of my own and will say "next" when the slide needs turning. I am in control so I am independentent. You could bring a laptop with jaws to school I suppose, but why do that when you have access to people who can turn slides. Whatever works best for the person. Personally, I'd rather read my notes and focus on my speech and points rather than listen to jaws and be concerned with what it is saying to me. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation Good evening Ashley and everyone, So what do you do if you're asked to make a presentation using PowerPoint and no one is able to run your slides for you? It seems to me that running your own slides during your presentation is far preferable than depending on someone else to do it for you. Particularly if you have access to a classroom computer or a laptop with screen reading software installed. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation Gloria, This question comes up a lot. I have played with powerpoint plus got training on it. One very helpful resource is the Hadley school for the blind webinars. If interested go to www.hadley.edu. Then click on seminars, then past seminars. Under the technology heading you will see two presentations for powerpoint. Click on part one, then listen to part 2 for more instructions on presenting and fancy effects. Do you have to add in transitions and animations to your slides? If not, its quite easy. To create the powerpoint, assumeing you have office 2010, do this. When it opens, you have a title slide. Press tab to go between the areas you type called place holders. Type the title. Press escape to go to object level then tab to the next place holder. I think you press enter to go to the edit level. Listen for jaws or your screen reader to say edit. When it says that, type your subtitle. I think the ribbon bar is a pain. It takes a while to move to various tabs, unlike the menu system we used to have. Anyway, if you do not need transitions or animations, no ribbon bar needed. Use standard office keyboard commands to move around your text; for instance, control c for copy, control v for paste, and of course control s for save. Insert a slide with command control M. By default you will have a title place holder and a body place holder. I recommend no more than five bullet points per slide. Also, do not clutter it with text. Its meant as an outline; use simple key phrases. You will add to what each bullet point says in your talk. Press control S to save. If you desire to change font, press control D for font dialogue box and press tab to go through it all. For presenting, I second what others said. Make braille notes for yourself and label by slide; meaning write slide 1 and then outline what you'll say, not just what is on the slide show; then write slide 2 and write notes. Have someone turn your slides as you go through. Some blind people use a laptop and jaws to hear their slides, but that seems like a lot of trouble. If you use the pc in the classroom, just have them turn the slides and you will be fine. Yes, many times pressing space in slide show mode works, but if you have animations, it won't always work like that. Good luck. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation Hi all, I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I am having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have never put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group projects in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my information and another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had to do this and how have you handled it? I am also concern when the presentation comes how to go through the powerpoint during the presentation. Any help is welcomed. Thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Oct 22 01:50:16 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:50:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] screen magnifiers Message-ID: <10696E824A6F404CAFB415D03E11E76B@OwnerPC> Hi all, I’m presenting about blindness and vision impairment techniques. Can anyone share their experience with zoomtext and other screen enlargement software? I use speech. Do you use the keyboard or mouse to operate it? With limited vision, I would think the keyboard would be faster. What color changes can you make in zoomtext and magic? Does the mouse pointer change? What is the range of magnification? I thought it was 2x to 14x or something like that. What limitations are there in the program? Thanks. Ashley From jty727 at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 01:56:49 2012 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:56:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] screen magnifiers In-Reply-To: <10696E824A6F404CAFB415D03E11E76B@OwnerPC> References: <10696E824A6F404CAFB415D03E11E76B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, I use to use Magic(several years ago). I don't know how it has changed in the upgrades cuz I stopped using it back in High School. >From what I recall I would say using its keyboard commands is way easier to navigate in it. Like JAWS there are several hotkey commands which some deal with the magification and others(blanking on them now). You can reverse to negative polarity where it changes from white background & black print to dark background and white print(or other colors I think it can change to as well.) I've never used Zoomtext so I can't comment on that, but I believe its similar principles. Good luck! Justin On 10/21/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > I’m presenting about blindness and vision impairment techniques. > > Can anyone share their experience with zoomtext and other screen enlargement > software? I use speech. > Do you use the keyboard or mouse to operate it? With limited vision, I would > think the keyboard would be faster. > What color changes can you make in zoomtext and magic? Does the mouse > pointer change? What is the range of magnification? I thought it was 2x to > 14x or something like that. What limitations are there in the program? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 02:03:53 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:03:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation In-Reply-To: <4C0406E813264E8E88CCEF87AFA71AE7@OwnerPC> References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> <4F2B69616F6249DF90B208224E6198AF@OwnerPC> <000a01cdafea$5e1b7c00$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <4C0406E813264E8E88CCEF87AFA71AE7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: As Mark said, you can advance your own slides without JAWS, by pressing the spacebar and remembering how you organized your slides. You do not need to memorize exactly what is on which slide, just the general organization of your presentation as a whole. I have presented many times on computers without JAWS and only once did I run into problems, because the spacebar advanced multiple slides at once for some reason. A quick test with the professor to ensure the spacebar advances only one slide at a time should be all you need. Arielle On 10/21/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Peter, > Well, keep in mind you do not have access to jaws. I've been in many > college classrooms at more than on institution since I opted to transfer. > In class the class pc does NOT! have a screen reader. Moreover, I contend > that > hearing it will actually slow you down. As I said before you cannot advance > > the slides without jaws as you do not know what slide you are on. > You will have access to a person whether a professor or fellow classmate. > Your tone suggests we are not doing it right if we do it with assistance; > actually part of independence is getting assistance. > I will present at my internship and know what? The conference room does not > > have jaws. Again, no conference room in the building has jaws. > SO I will get someone to turn slides and I'm still presenting professionally > > and independently because I have notes of my own and will say "next" when > the slide needs turning. I am in control so I am independentent. > > You could bring a laptop with jaws to school I suppose, but why do that when > > you have access to people who can turn slides. Whatever works best for the > person. Personally, I'd rather read my notes and focus on my speech and > points rather than listen to jaws and be concerned with what it is saying to > > me. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Donahue > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > > Good evening Ashley and everyone, > > So what do you do if you're asked to make a presentation using > PowerPoint and no one is able to run your slides for you? It seems to me > that running your own slides during your presentation is far preferable > than > depending on someone else to do it for you. Particularly if you have access > to a classroom computer or a laptop with screen reading software installed. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > > > Gloria, > > This question comes up a lot. I have played with powerpoint plus got > training on it. > One very helpful resource is the Hadley school for the blind webinars. If > interested go to www.hadley.edu. > Then click on seminars, then past seminars. Under the technology heading > you > will see two presentations for powerpoint. > Click on part one, then listen to part 2 for more instructions on > presenting > and fancy effects. > > Do you have to add in transitions and animations to your slides? If not, > its > quite easy. > To create the powerpoint, assumeing you have office 2010, do this. > When it opens, you have a title slide. Press tab to go between the areas > you type called place holders. > Type the title. Press escape to go to object level then tab to the next > place holder. I think you press enter to go to the edit level. Listen for > jaws or your screen reader to say edit. When it says that, type your > subtitle. > > I think the ribbon bar is a pain. It takes a while to move to various tabs, > unlike the menu system we used to have. Anyway, if you do not need > transitions or animations, no ribbon bar needed. Use standard office > keyboard commands to move around your text; for instance, control c for > copy, control v for paste, and of course control s for save. > > Insert a slide with command control M. By default you will have a title > place holder and a body place holder. I recommend no more than five bullet > points per slide. Also, do not clutter it with text. Its meant as an > outline; use simple key phrases. You will add to what each bullet point > says > in your talk. > > Press control S to save. If you desire to change font, press control D for > font dialogue box and press tab to go through it all. > > For presenting, I second what others said. Make braille notes for yourself > and label by slide; meaning write slide 1 and then outline what you'll say, > not just what is on the slide show; then write slide 2 and write notes. > > Have someone turn your slides as you go through. Some blind people use a > laptop and jaws to hear their slides, but that seems like a lot of trouble. > If you use the pc in the classroom, just have them turn the slides and you > will be fine. Yes, many times pressing space in slide show mode works, but > if you have animations, it won't always work like that. > > Good luck. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gloria G > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > > Hi all, > I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I am > having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have never > put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group projects > in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my information and > another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had to do this and > how have you handled it? I am also concern when the presentation comes how > to go through the powerpoint during the presentation. Any help is welcomed. > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Oct 22 02:38:49 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 22:38:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation In-Reply-To: References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria><4F2B69616F6249DF90B208224E6198AF@OwnerPC><000a01cdafea$5e1b7c00$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn><4C0406E813264E8E88CCEF87AFA71AE7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: But, if you add effects such as animations this doesn't work. You might fly in bullets one at a time so space flys in one bullet or whatever you set it too. In this case you would have to know or memorize what the order of your text is. Generally though, you don't have to speak exactly in the order of the slide notes, just as long as you cover all of them. If you add transitions, this affects the space bar thing too. If you have a general presentation, space typically works. But do try it out ahead of time. I'm more comfortable with someone turning my slides because I can then talk and read my notes rather than take my hands off the notes and use the computer. But if you want to show you're independent or find it inconvenient to have someone turn slides, then you can do it on your own. What ever works. Like Gloria, I typically have done this with a group, so I give the group members my text and they insert into slides for me. We present together, so someone is definitely there to turn slides; when its my turn to talk they tell me, and announce what slide we are on. Then I take over and say "next" if I have multiple slides, but usually I do not in a group presentation. Sighted people have assistance in setting up powerpoints so its not just for us. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation As Mark said, you can advance your own slides without JAWS, by pressing the spacebar and remembering how you organized your slides. You do not need to memorize exactly what is on which slide, just the general organization of your presentation as a whole. I have presented many times on computers without JAWS and only once did I run into problems, because the spacebar advanced multiple slides at once for some reason. A quick test with the professor to ensure the spacebar advances only one slide at a time should be all you need. Arielle On 10/21/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Peter, > Well, keep in mind you do not have access to jaws. I've been in many > college classrooms at more than on institution since I opted to transfer. > In class the class pc does NOT! have a screen reader. Moreover, I contend > that > hearing it will actually slow you down. As I said before you cannot > advance > > the slides without jaws as you do not know what slide you are on. > You will have access to a person whether a professor or fellow classmate. > Your tone suggests we are not doing it right if we do it with assistance; > actually part of independence is getting assistance. > I will present at my internship and know what? The conference room does > not > > have jaws. Again, no conference room in the building has jaws. > SO I will get someone to turn slides and I'm still presenting > professionally > > and independently because I have notes of my own and will say "next" when > the slide needs turning. I am in control so I am independentent. > > You could bring a laptop with jaws to school I suppose, but why do that > when > > you have access to people who can turn slides. Whatever works best for the > person. Personally, I'd rather read my notes and focus on my speech and > points rather than listen to jaws and be concerned with what it is saying > to > > me. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Donahue > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > > Good evening Ashley and everyone, > > So what do you do if you're asked to make a presentation using > PowerPoint and no one is able to run your slides for you? It seems to me > that running your own slides during your presentation is far preferable > than > depending on someone else to do it for you. Particularly if you have > access > to a classroom computer or a laptop with screen reading software > installed. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > > > Gloria, > > This question comes up a lot. I have played with powerpoint plus got > training on it. > One very helpful resource is the Hadley school for the blind webinars. If > interested go to www.hadley.edu. > Then click on seminars, then past seminars. Under the technology heading > you > will see two presentations for powerpoint. > Click on part one, then listen to part 2 for more instructions on > presenting > and fancy effects. > > Do you have to add in transitions and animations to your slides? If not, > its > quite easy. > To create the powerpoint, assumeing you have office 2010, do this. > When it opens, you have a title slide. Press tab to go between the areas > you type called place holders. > Type the title. Press escape to go to object level then tab to the next > place holder. I think you press enter to go to the edit level. Listen for > jaws or your screen reader to say edit. When it says that, type your > subtitle. > > I think the ribbon bar is a pain. It takes a while to move to various > tabs, > unlike the menu system we used to have. Anyway, if you do not need > transitions or animations, no ribbon bar needed. Use standard office > keyboard commands to move around your text; for instance, control c for > copy, control v for paste, and of course control s for save. > > Insert a slide with command control M. By default you will have a title > place holder and a body place holder. I recommend no more than five bullet > points per slide. Also, do not clutter it with text. Its meant as an > outline; use simple key phrases. You will add to what each bullet point > says > in your talk. > > Press control S to save. If you desire to change font, press control D for > font dialogue box and press tab to go through it all. > > For presenting, I second what others said. Make braille notes for yourself > and label by slide; meaning write slide 1 and then outline what you'll > say, > not just what is on the slide show; then write slide 2 and write notes. > > Have someone turn your slides as you go through. Some blind people use a > laptop and jaws to hear their slides, but that seems like a lot of > trouble. > If you use the pc in the classroom, just have them turn the slides and you > will be fine. Yes, many times pressing space in slide show mode works, but > if you have animations, it won't always work like that. > > Good luck. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gloria G > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > > Hi all, > I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I am > having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have never > put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group > projects > in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my information and > another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had to do this and > how have you handled it? I am also concern when the presentation comes how > to go through the powerpoint during the presentation. Any help is > welcomed. > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 02:54:45 2012 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonya Gardner) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 22:54:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] screen magnifiers In-Reply-To: <10696E824A6F404CAFB415D03E11E76B@OwnerPC> References: <10696E824A6F404CAFB415D03E11E76B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi to this is for the person doing the talk on blindness ad visual imparement. my name is Lavonnya. I have to use a combonation of n v d a and zoom text on my laptop, and voiceover and the creen inlargment on my Ipad. I need both, for a few reasons. For short things that that I need to read on my ipad, such as messages on tango and voxer, bt for things that r not that big, like skype, and for longer things like email. I use voiceover.. I can only c out of 1 eye, so I need both, a screen reader and an inlarger. when i am workking on my book, i use NVDA and zoom text. and they work very well together. i have only seen majic one time, so i do not know a lot aout that program. i have played with the magnifire on s a mobil, and with the magnifere that comes with most standard computers, and i really do not like them at all. they only show not even half of he screen. with zoom text, i can use the mouse. gogle plus seems to be the only thing that zoom text has a tantrum about. there is a zoom feeture on my communication device. i use a dynavox series 5. it has a zoom feture on it, but it react the same way, it will not go full screen. that really sucks. so i have to us NVDA there as well. i find that if i use both a screen reader and a screen inlarger, i do better, than if i just use 1 or the other. tell me if this makes sense, if not, i will re word it. 1 more hing. i usee a large screen t t y. that is great do not need the speach or the braille with it. HOPE THIS HELPS LaVonnya. Sent from my iPad On Oct 21, 2012, at 21:50, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Hi all, > I’m presenting about blindness and vision impairment techniques. > > Can anyone share their experience with zoomtext and other screen enlargement software? I use speech. > Do you use the keyboard or mouse to operate it? With limited vision, I would think the keyboard would be faster. > What color changes can you make in zoomtext and magic? Does the mouse pointer change? What is the range of magnification? I thought it was 2x to 14x or something like that. What limitations are there in the program? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 10:49:32 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:49:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation In-Reply-To: References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> <4F2B69616F6249DF90B208224E6198AF@OwnerPC> <000a01cdafea$5e1b7c00$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <4C0406E813264E8E88CCEF87AFA71AE7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <2684464111438423926@unknownmsgid> When I give PowerPoint presentations, I usually save the PowerPoint as both an outline/RTF format and as a PPT file. I then put the outline file on my braille note, so I can see the order of the text and everything I have one the PowerPoint from my braille note. The PPT file (PowerPoint) can be shown on the computer, so my audience can see the PowerPoint. Hope this helps, Chris Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > But, if you add effects such as animations this doesn't work. You might fly in bullets one at a time so space flys in one bullet or whatever you set it too. > In this case you would have to know or memorize what the order of your text is. Generally though, you don't have to speak exactly in the order of the slide notes, just as long as you cover all of them. > If you add transitions, this affects the space bar thing too. > If you have a general presentation, space typically works. > > But do try it out ahead of time. I'm more comfortable with someone turning my slides because I can then talk and read my notes rather than take my hands off the notes and use the computer. > But if you want to show you're independent or find it inconvenient to have someone turn slides, then you can do it on your own. > What ever works. Like Gloria, I typically have done this with a group, so I give the group members my text and they insert into slides for me. We present together, so someone is definitely there to turn slides; when its my turn to talk they tell me, and announce what slide we are on. Then I take over and say "next" if I have multiple slides, but usually I do not in a group presentation. > > Sighted people have assistance in setting up powerpoints so its not just for us. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:03 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > > As Mark said, you can advance your own slides without JAWS, by > pressing the spacebar and remembering how you organized your slides. > You do not need to memorize exactly what is on which slide, just the > general organization of your presentation as a whole. > I have presented many times on computers without JAWS and only once > did I run into problems, because the spacebar advanced multiple slides > at once for some reason. A quick test with the professor to ensure the > spacebar advances only one slide at a time should be all you need. > Arielle > > On 10/21/12, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Peter, >> Well, keep in mind you do not have access to jaws. I've been in many >> college classrooms at more than on institution since I opted to transfer. >> In class the class pc does NOT! have a screen reader. Moreover, I contend >> that >> hearing it will actually slow you down. As I said before you cannot advance >> >> the slides without jaws as you do not know what slide you are on. >> You will have access to a person whether a professor or fellow classmate. >> Your tone suggests we are not doing it right if we do it with assistance; >> actually part of independence is getting assistance. >> I will present at my internship and know what? The conference room does not >> >> have jaws. Again, no conference room in the building has jaws. >> SO I will get someone to turn slides and I'm still presenting professionally >> >> and independently because I have notes of my own and will say "next" when >> the slide needs turning. I am in control so I am independentent. >> >> You could bring a laptop with jaws to school I suppose, but why do that when >> >> you have access to people who can turn slides. Whatever works best for the >> person. Personally, I'd rather read my notes and focus on my speech and >> points rather than listen to jaws and be concerned with what it is saying to >> >> me. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Donahue >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >> >> Good evening Ashley and everyone, >> >> So what do you do if you're asked to make a presentation using >> PowerPoint and no one is able to run your slides for you? It seems to me >> that running your own slides during your presentation is far preferable >> than >> depending on someone else to do it for you. Particularly if you have access >> to a classroom computer or a laptop with screen reading software installed. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >> >> >> Gloria, >> >> This question comes up a lot. I have played with powerpoint plus got >> training on it. >> One very helpful resource is the Hadley school for the blind webinars. If >> interested go to www.hadley.edu. >> Then click on seminars, then past seminars. Under the technology heading >> you >> will see two presentations for powerpoint. >> Click on part one, then listen to part 2 for more instructions on >> presenting >> and fancy effects. >> >> Do you have to add in transitions and animations to your slides? If not, >> its >> quite easy. >> To create the powerpoint, assumeing you have office 2010, do this. >> When it opens, you have a title slide. Press tab to go between the areas >> you type called place holders. >> Type the title. Press escape to go to object level then tab to the next >> place holder. I think you press enter to go to the edit level. Listen for >> jaws or your screen reader to say edit. When it says that, type your >> subtitle. >> >> I think the ribbon bar is a pain. It takes a while to move to various tabs, >> unlike the menu system we used to have. Anyway, if you do not need >> transitions or animations, no ribbon bar needed. Use standard office >> keyboard commands to move around your text; for instance, control c for >> copy, control v for paste, and of course control s for save. >> >> Insert a slide with command control M. By default you will have a title >> place holder and a body place holder. I recommend no more than five bullet >> points per slide. Also, do not clutter it with text. Its meant as an >> outline; use simple key phrases. You will add to what each bullet point >> says >> in your talk. >> >> Press control S to save. If you desire to change font, press control D for >> font dialogue box and press tab to go through it all. >> >> For presenting, I second what others said. Make braille notes for yourself >> and label by slide; meaning write slide 1 and then outline what you'll say, >> not just what is on the slide show; then write slide 2 and write notes. >> >> Have someone turn your slides as you go through. Some blind people use a >> laptop and jaws to hear their slides, but that seems like a lot of trouble. >> If you use the pc in the classroom, just have them turn the slides and you >> will be fine. Yes, many times pressing space in slide show mode works, but >> if you have animations, it won't always work like that. >> >> Good luck. >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gloria G >> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >> >> Hi all, >> I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I am >> having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have never >> put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group projects >> in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my information and >> another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had to do this and >> how have you handled it? I am also concern when the presentation comes how >> to go through the powerpoint during the presentation. Any help is welcomed. >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 11:03:56 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 07:03:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation In-Reply-To: <11308C2FCD0E46F4A9D5F053CDAFFED4@ownerf49ceb395> References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> <4F2B69616F6249DF90B208224E6198AF@OwnerPC> <000a01cdafea$5e1b7c00$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <11308C2FCD0E46F4A9D5F053CDAFFED4@ownerf49ceb395> Message-ID: <-706771934148318053@unknownmsgid> Hi all, Just to add to my previous message about saving the PowerPoint as an outline and transferring it to a braille note or other notetaker, if you don't have a notetaker you can still save the PowerPoint as an RTF and emboss it using a braille embosser and use the hard copy as your notes. Hope this helps, Chris Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2012, at 8:29 PM, "Mark J. Cadigan" wrote: > When presenting a PowerPoint in class, it is easy to run your own slides even without screen reading software on the classroom computer. Once you have someone open the PowerPoint for you, hitting F5 will start the slide show, and hitting the space bar will bring you to the next slide. All this requires is a good memory so that you know what each slide is about and the order of slides. PowerPoint slides are just supposed to be a couple bullet points or a chart to back up your points. When presenting you never read the slides verbatim, but instead elaborate on the bullet points or chart shown. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:15 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation > > >> Good evening Ashley and everyone, >> >> So what do you do if you're asked to make a presentation using >> PowerPoint and no one is able to run your slides for you? It seems to me >> that running your own slides during your presentation is far preferable than >> depending on someone else to do it for you. Particularly if you have access >> to a classroom computer or a laptop with screen reading software installed. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >> >> >> Gloria, >> >> This question comes up a lot. I have played with powerpoint plus got >> training on it. >> One very helpful resource is the Hadley school for the blind webinars. If >> interested go to www.hadley.edu. >> Then click on seminars, then past seminars. Under the technology heading you >> will see two presentations for powerpoint. >> Click on part one, then listen to part 2 for more instructions on presenting >> and fancy effects. >> >> Do you have to add in transitions and animations to your slides? If not, its >> quite easy. >> To create the powerpoint, assumeing you have office 2010, do this. >> When it opens, you have a title slide. Press tab to go between the areas >> you type called place holders. >> Type the title. Press escape to go to object level then tab to the next >> place holder. I think you press enter to go to the edit level. Listen for >> jaws or your screen reader to say edit. When it says that, type your >> subtitle. >> >> I think the ribbon bar is a pain. It takes a while to move to various tabs, >> unlike the menu system we used to have. Anyway, if you do not need >> transitions or animations, no ribbon bar needed. Use standard office >> keyboard commands to move around your text; for instance, control c for >> copy, control v for paste, and of course control s for save. >> >> Insert a slide with command control M. By default you will have a title >> place holder and a body place holder. I recommend no more than five bullet >> points per slide. Also, do not clutter it with text. Its meant as an >> outline; use simple key phrases. You will add to what each bullet point says >> in your talk. >> >> Press control S to save. If you desire to change font, press control D for >> font dialogue box and press tab to go through it all. >> >> For presenting, I second what others said. Make braille notes for yourself >> and label by slide; meaning write slide 1 and then outline what you'll say, >> not just what is on the slide show; then write slide 2 and write notes. >> >> Have someone turn your slides as you go through. Some blind people use a >> laptop and jaws to hear their slides, but that seems like a lot of trouble. >> If you use the pc in the classroom, just have them turn the slides and you >> will be fine. Yes, many times pressing space in slide show mode works, but >> if you have animations, it won't always work like that. >> >> Good luck. >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G >> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >> >> Hi all, >> I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I am >> having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have never >> put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group projects >> in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my information and >> another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had to do this and >> how have you handled it? I am also concern when the presentation comes how >> to go through the powerpoint during the presentation. Any help is welcomed. >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From trillian551 at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 13:35:58 2012 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:35:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation In-Reply-To: <-706771934148318053@unknownmsgid> References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> <4F2B69616F6249DF90B208224E6198AF@OwnerPC> <000a01cdafea$5e1b7c00$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <11308C2FCD0E46F4A9D5F053CDAFFED4@ownerf49ceb395> <-706771934148318053@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi All, I think everyone makes a good point here. Ashley is right in saying that everyone works differently and that we all feel comfortable doing whatever works for us. I think the important thing is being flexible and having different methods of getting a task accomplished, so that when there are computer problems, like what Arielle had, or if we are in a setting where it would be convenient to have someone do something simple for us, we can shift and have a backup plan. As far as Powerpoints, I do something really similar to what Chris mentioned. Usually, I put my Powerpoint text together in a Word document before i go into Powerpoint and actually make the presentation. This is mainly do the the fact that I am abysmal at Powerpoint and only know enough to just copy and paste my text into the different slides. Then, I take that document and put it into my braillenote so that i know what slide is exactly what. For the most part, I've mostly done the whole, go up, do your presentation and hit space as you go along. I feel that this works best because you can control exactly how you want to time yourself and know what slide you are on. Several times, if I was doing a presentation that involved Powerpoint, and some sort of interaction and so on, I have asked if someone can shift the Powerpoint slides, and that has not been a problem. This might be because I'm moving around the room, or whatever, and usually with presentations like this, a lot of my peers used the same system so it wasn't too out of the ordinary. Again, it comes down to whatever works, and making sure that even if there is someone hitting space for you, you are presenting high quality work. It is rare for PCs to have assistive software, so we must learn to be able to work around that in a way that is both respectful to ourselves and to our audience. Sincerely, Mary On 10/22/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Hi all, > Just to add to my previous message about saving the PowerPoint as an > outline and transferring it to a braille note or other notetaker, if > you don't have a notetaker you can still save the PowerPoint as an RTF > and emboss it using a braille embosser and use the hard copy as your > notes. > Hope this helps, > Chris > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 21, 2012, at 8:29 PM, "Mark J. Cadigan" wrote: > >> When presenting a PowerPoint in class, it is easy to run your own slides >> even without screen reading software on the classroom computer. Once you >> have someone open the PowerPoint for you, hitting F5 will start the slide >> show, and hitting the space bar will bring you to the next slide. All >> this requires is a good memory so that you know what each slide is about >> and the order of slides. PowerPoint slides are just supposed to be a >> couple bullet points or a chart to back up your points. When presenting >> you never read the slides verbatim, but instead elaborate on the bullet >> points or chart shown. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >> >> >>> Good evening Ashley and everyone, >>> >>> So what do you do if you're asked to make a presentation using >>> PowerPoint and no one is able to run your slides for you? It seems to me >>> that running your own slides during your presentation is far preferable >>> than >>> depending on someone else to do it for you. Particularly if you have >>> access >>> to a classroom computer or a laptop with screen reading software >>> installed. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:33 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >>> >>> >>> Gloria, >>> >>> This question comes up a lot. I have played with powerpoint plus got >>> training on it. >>> One very helpful resource is the Hadley school for the blind webinars. >>> If >>> interested go to www.hadley.edu. >>> Then click on seminars, then past seminars. Under the technology heading >>> you >>> will see two presentations for powerpoint. >>> Click on part one, then listen to part 2 for more instructions on >>> presenting >>> and fancy effects. >>> >>> Do you have to add in transitions and animations to your slides? If not, >>> its >>> quite easy. >>> To create the powerpoint, assumeing you have office 2010, do this. >>> When it opens, you have a title slide. Press tab to go between the >>> areas >>> you type called place holders. >>> Type the title. Press escape to go to object level then tab to the next >>> place holder. I think you press enter to go to the edit level. Listen >>> for >>> jaws or your screen reader to say edit. When it says that, type your >>> subtitle. >>> >>> I think the ribbon bar is a pain. It takes a while to move to various >>> tabs, >>> unlike the menu system we used to have. Anyway, if you do not need >>> transitions or animations, no ribbon bar needed. Use standard office >>> keyboard commands to move around your text; for instance, control c for >>> copy, control v for paste, and of course control s for save. >>> >>> Insert a slide with command control M. By default you will have a title >>> place holder and a body place holder. I recommend no more than five >>> bullet >>> points per slide. Also, do not clutter it with text. Its meant as an >>> outline; use simple key phrases. You will add to what each bullet point >>> says >>> in your talk. >>> >>> Press control S to save. If you desire to change font, press control D >>> for >>> font dialogue box and press tab to go through it all. >>> >>> For presenting, I second what others said. Make braille notes for >>> yourself >>> and label by slide; meaning write slide 1 and then outline what you'll >>> say, >>> not just what is on the slide show; then write slide 2 and write notes. >>> >>> Have someone turn your slides as you go through. Some blind people use a >>> laptop and jaws to hear their slides, but that seems like a lot of >>> trouble. >>> If you use the pc in the classroom, just have them turn the slides and >>> you >>> will be fine. Yes, many times pressing space in slide show mode works, >>> but >>> if you have animations, it won't always work like that. >>> >>> Good luck. >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I >>> am >>> having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have >>> never >>> put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group >>> projects >>> in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my information and >>> another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had to do this >>> and >>> how have you handled it? I am also concern when the presentation comes >>> how >>> to go through the powerpoint during the presentation. Any help is >>> welcomed. >>> Thanks >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes up her burdens and walks toward the future." -- Laurel Thatcher Ulrich From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 16:02:35 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:02:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding the voting call... Message-ID: Fellow Federationests, On behalf of the membership committee of the National Association of Blind Students, I would like to apologize to all of you who had attempted to call in for the voting call presented by Nabs. We had experienced some technical difficulties with the conference line and were unable to fix them in a timely manner. Please be assured that we have fixed these matters and have rescheduled the voting call for this Tuesday (Tomorrow) at 8 p.m. ET. The information for this call can be found below this note. Greetings fellow blind students and NFB members, In the words of former U.S. president Franklyn D. Roosevelt, “Nobody will ever deprive American people of the right to vote accept for the American people themselves and the only way they could do this is by not voting.” As a result, it is the goal of the NABS Membership Committee to ensure that no one deprives themselves of their right to vote because of a lack of information on accessible voting. Thus we want to extend an invitation to take part in our October membership call “the ABC’s of voting.” Join us on October 23rd to hear from Luanne Blake from our national center on how to register to vote, voter rights in terms of completing your ballot independently, and how to file a complaint if your rights are violated. What: The ABC’s of Voting Conference Call Who: Anyone, not just students! When: October 21, 2012 at 8:00 P.M. ET, 5:00 P.M. PT. Where: Conference Call, (530)881-1212 Code: 757-809-541 We look forward to you joining us! The NABS Membership Committee -- Darian Smith "Let's work together to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 18:48:47 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:48:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Protected View Question Message-ID: A while ago, we had a thread about protected view. I know how to enable editing. I have been going to the info tab of the tool bar and pressing space on "enable editing." But is there any way to get rid of the JAWS comments like “revision,” or “deleted?” I think they are annoying. Or, is there another way to enable editing besides resaving the document that would result in no announcements? Also, is there anything visually that is prompting the JAWS tutor announcements? I am asking, because I am revising some documents that I must attach to emails, and I wouldn’t want anything visually to indicate that I had edited the document for appeal and continuity’s sake. Thank you. Cindy -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From brice.smith319 at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 18:55:08 2012 From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:55:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Protected View Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you talking about turning track changes on or off? You can toggle this setting with Control plus shift plus e. Brice On 10/22/12, Cindy Bennett wrote: > A while ago, we had a thread about protected view. I know how to > enable editing. I have been going to the info tab of the tool bar and > pressing space on "enable editing." But is there any way to get rid > of the JAWS comments like “revision,” or “deleted?” I think they are > annoying. Or, is there another way to enable editing besides resaving > the document that would result in no announcements? Also, is there > anything visually that is prompting the JAWS tutor announcements? I am > asking, because I am revising some documents that I must attach to > emails, and I wouldn’t want anything visually to indicate that I had > edited the document for appeal and continuity’s sake. > > Thank you. > > Cindy > > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com > -- Brice Smith North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 23:03:58 2012 From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:03:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A different type of FB question Message-ID: From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 23:55:56 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:55:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation In-Reply-To: References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> <4F2B69616F6249DF90B208224E6198AF@OwnerPC> <000a01cdafea$5e1b7c00$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <11308C2FCD0E46F4A9D5F053CDAFFED4@ownerf49ceb395> <-706771934148318053@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi all, One challenge I've had, which perhaps some of you have as well, is not knowing exactly what or how much to put on PowerPoint slides because I have had far fewer examples to look at than most of my sighted peers (who see a PowerPoint every time they go to class or listen to a talk). When I am in a class or listening to a presentation I usually don't find their PowerPoint slides very helpful, probably because I'm trying to listen to the lecture and JAWS reading the slides at the same time and I'd rather just listen to what they are saying. So I have a hard time gauging what sighted people really need in front of them and what is too much. I think I have gotten better at it by looking carefully at models that other people have given me for specific kinds of presentations (i.e. their dissertation talks) but I'd love any other pointers especially if I end up teaching. I know my boyfriend went to a teaching workshop once and the instructor advised him to use PowerPoint sparingly and not put much text at all on the slides. I'd love to do that but I worry that the sighted audience isn't getting enough visual information to hold their attention. What do you think? Arielle On 10/22/12, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Hi All, > I think everyone makes a good point here. Ashley is right in saying > that everyone works differently and that we all feel comfortable doing > whatever works for us. I think the important thing is being flexible > and having different methods of getting a task accomplished, so that > when there are computer problems, like what Arielle had, or if we are > in a setting where it would be convenient to have someone do > something simple for us, we can shift and have a backup plan. As far > as Powerpoints, I do something really similar to what Chris mentioned. > Usually, I put my Powerpoint text together in a Word document before i > go into Powerpoint and actually make the presentation. This is mainly > do the the fact that I am abysmal at Powerpoint and only know enough > to just copy and paste my text into the different slides. Then, I take > that document and put it into my braillenote so that i know what slide > is exactly what. For the most part, I've mostly done the whole, go up, > do your presentation and hit space as you go along. I feel that this > works best because you can control exactly how you want to time > yourself and know what slide you are on. Several times, if I was doing > a presentation that involved Powerpoint, and some sort of interaction > and so on, I have asked if someone can shift the Powerpoint slides, > and that has not been a problem. This might be because I'm moving > around the room, or whatever, and usually with presentations like > this, a lot of my peers used the same system so it wasn't too out of > the ordinary. > Again, it comes down to whatever works, and making sure that even if > there is someone hitting space for you, you are presenting high > quality work. It is rare for PCs to have assistive software, so we > must learn to be able to work around that in a way that is both > respectful to ourselves and to our audience. > Sincerely, > Mary > > On 10/22/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: >> Hi all, >> Just to add to my previous message about saving the PowerPoint as an >> outline and transferring it to a braille note or other notetaker, if >> you don't have a notetaker you can still save the PowerPoint as an RTF >> and emboss it using a braille embosser and use the hard copy as your >> notes. >> Hope this helps, >> Chris >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 21, 2012, at 8:29 PM, "Mark J. Cadigan" wrote: >> >>> When presenting a PowerPoint in class, it is easy to run your own slides >>> even without screen reading software on the classroom computer. Once you >>> have someone open the PowerPoint for you, hitting F5 will start the >>> slide >>> show, and hitting the space bar will bring you to the next slide. All >>> this requires is a good memory so that you know what each slide is about >>> and the order of slides. PowerPoint slides are just supposed to be a >>> couple bullet points or a chart to back up your points. When presenting >>> you never read the slides verbatim, but instead elaborate on the bullet >>> points or chart shown. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >>> >>> >>>> Good evening Ashley and everyone, >>>> >>>> So what do you do if you're asked to make a presentation using >>>> PowerPoint and no one is able to run your slides for you? It seems to >>>> me >>>> that running your own slides during your presentation is far preferable >>>> than >>>> depending on someone else to do it for you. Particularly if you have >>>> access >>>> to a classroom computer or a laptop with screen reading software >>>> installed. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:33 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >>>> >>>> >>>> Gloria, >>>> >>>> This question comes up a lot. I have played with powerpoint plus got >>>> training on it. >>>> One very helpful resource is the Hadley school for the blind webinars. >>>> If >>>> interested go to www.hadley.edu. >>>> Then click on seminars, then past seminars. Under the technology >>>> heading >>>> you >>>> will see two presentations for powerpoint. >>>> Click on part one, then listen to part 2 for more instructions on >>>> presenting >>>> and fancy effects. >>>> >>>> Do you have to add in transitions and animations to your slides? If >>>> not, >>>> its >>>> quite easy. >>>> To create the powerpoint, assumeing you have office 2010, do this. >>>> When it opens, you have a title slide. Press tab to go between the >>>> areas >>>> you type called place holders. >>>> Type the title. Press escape to go to object level then tab to the next >>>> place holder. I think you press enter to go to the edit level. Listen >>>> for >>>> jaws or your screen reader to say edit. When it says that, type your >>>> subtitle. >>>> >>>> I think the ribbon bar is a pain. It takes a while to move to various >>>> tabs, >>>> unlike the menu system we used to have. Anyway, if you do not need >>>> transitions or animations, no ribbon bar needed. Use standard office >>>> keyboard commands to move around your text; for instance, control c for >>>> copy, control v for paste, and of course control s for save. >>>> >>>> Insert a slide with command control M. By default you will have a title >>>> place holder and a body place holder. I recommend no more than five >>>> bullet >>>> points per slide. Also, do not clutter it with text. Its meant as an >>>> outline; use simple key phrases. You will add to what each bullet point >>>> says >>>> in your talk. >>>> >>>> Press control S to save. If you desire to change font, press control D >>>> for >>>> font dialogue box and press tab to go through it all. >>>> >>>> For presenting, I second what others said. Make braille notes for >>>> yourself >>>> and label by slide; meaning write slide 1 and then outline what you'll >>>> say, >>>> not just what is on the slide show; then write slide 2 and write notes. >>>> >>>> Have someone turn your slides as you go through. Some blind people use >>>> a >>>> laptop and jaws to hear their slides, but that seems like a lot of >>>> trouble. >>>> If you use the pc in the classroom, just have them turn the slides and >>>> you >>>> will be fine. Yes, many times pressing space in slide show mode works, >>>> but >>>> if you have animations, it won't always work like that. >>>> >>>> Good luck. >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester I >>>> am >>>> having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have >>>> never >>>> put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group >>>> projects >>>> in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my information and >>>> another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had to do this >>>> and >>>> how have you handled it? I am also concern when the presentation comes >>>> how >>>> to go through the powerpoint during the presentation. Any help is >>>> welcomed. >>>> Thanks >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory 2012 > "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes > up her burdens and walks toward the future." > -- > Laurel Thatcher Ulrich > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 00:21:46 2012 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 20:21:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Protected View Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Cindy, I'm a little confused by your question. If you are hoping to turn off Protected View permanently, you can do so by going to Options in MS Word, select Trust Center in the drop down, and click on Trust Center Settings. Uncheck the boxes next to Enable Protected View for Files Originating from the Internet and for Email Attachments and you should be all set. If JAWS is announcing revisions as you edit a document, this probably means that you have Track Changes turned on. This feature is designed for collaborative editing-- All your revisions will be marked in a different color so that others can tell your work apart from the original text. If you want to turn off this feature, the keyboard shortcut Brice suggested should do the trick. Hope this is somewhat helpful and let me know if you need me to clarify anything! Katie On 10/22/12, Brice Smith wrote: > Are you talking about turning track changes on or off? You can toggle > this setting with Control plus shift plus e. > > Brice > > On 10/22/12, Cindy Bennett wrote: >> A while ago, we had a thread about protected view. I know how to >> enable editing. I have been going to the info tab of the tool bar and >> pressing space on "enable editing." But is there any way to get rid >> of the JAWS comments like “revision,” or “deleted?” I think they are >> annoying. Or, is there another way to enable editing besides resaving >> the document that would result in no announcements? Also, is there >> anything visually that is prompting the JAWS tutor announcements? I am >> asking, because I am revising some documents that I must attach to >> emails, and I wouldn’t want anything visually to indicate that I had >> edited the document for appeal and continuity’s sake. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Cindy >> >> >> >> -- >> Cindy Bennett >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Brice Smith > North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations > Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 00:31:06 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 20:31:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation In-Reply-To: References: <06564E0B62B24CFCAE03A22C36034A8C@Gloria> <4F2B69616F6249DF90B208224E6198AF@OwnerPC> <000a01cdafea$5e1b7c00$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <11308C2FCD0E46F4A9D5F053CDAFFED4@ownerf49ceb395> <-706771934148318053@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: hi arielle, I am in the same situation as you are, in the sense that i have not really used power point slides even in school, though they were available to me. I'd much rather just listen to them and take notes. what people have told me is to put what triggers you to remember what you are saying. that way, you won't put to much - you aren't including what you say, just what triggers you to remember it - and your audience is getting enough to have an idea of what is being said, but not enough so taht they can per say, just look at the slides and ignore you or just ignore you all together and look at slides later. if you do that, and have a communicative approach to presentations, I am sure you can keep your audience focused. Mauricio Almeida Vice president Michigan association of blind students On 10/22/12, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > One challenge I've had, which perhaps some of you have as well, is not > knowing exactly what or how much to put on PowerPoint slides because I > have had far fewer examples to look at than most of my sighted peers > (who see a PowerPoint every time they go to class or listen to a > talk). When I am in a class or listening to a presentation I usually > don't find their PowerPoint slides very helpful, probably because I'm > trying to listen to the lecture and JAWS reading the slides at the > same time and I'd rather just listen to what they are saying. So I > have a hard time gauging what sighted people really need in front of > them and what is too much. I think I have gotten better at it by > looking carefully at models that other people have given me for > specific kinds of presentations (i.e. their dissertation talks) but > I'd love any other pointers especially if I end up teaching. I know my > boyfriend went to a teaching workshop once and the instructor advised > him to use PowerPoint sparingly and not put much text at all on the > slides. I'd love to do that but I worry that the sighted audience > isn't getting enough visual information to hold their attention. What > do you think? > Arielle > > On 10/22/12, Mary Fernandez wrote: >> Hi All, >> I think everyone makes a good point here. Ashley is right in saying >> that everyone works differently and that we all feel comfortable doing >> whatever works for us. I think the important thing is being flexible >> and having different methods of getting a task accomplished, so that >> when there are computer problems, like what Arielle had, or if we are >> in a setting where it would be convenient to have someone do >> something simple for us, we can shift and have a backup plan. As far >> as Powerpoints, I do something really similar to what Chris mentioned. >> Usually, I put my Powerpoint text together in a Word document before i >> go into Powerpoint and actually make the presentation. This is mainly >> do the the fact that I am abysmal at Powerpoint and only know enough >> to just copy and paste my text into the different slides. Then, I take >> that document and put it into my braillenote so that i know what slide >> is exactly what. For the most part, I've mostly done the whole, go up, >> do your presentation and hit space as you go along. I feel that this >> works best because you can control exactly how you want to time >> yourself and know what slide you are on. Several times, if I was doing >> a presentation that involved Powerpoint, and some sort of interaction >> and so on, I have asked if someone can shift the Powerpoint slides, >> and that has not been a problem. This might be because I'm moving >> around the room, or whatever, and usually with presentations like >> this, a lot of my peers used the same system so it wasn't too out of >> the ordinary. >> Again, it comes down to whatever works, and making sure that even if >> there is someone hitting space for you, you are presenting high >> quality work. It is rare for PCs to have assistive software, so we >> must learn to be able to work around that in a way that is both >> respectful to ourselves and to our audience. >> Sincerely, >> Mary >> >> On 10/22/12, christopher nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> Just to add to my previous message about saving the PowerPoint as an >>> outline and transferring it to a braille note or other notetaker, if >>> you don't have a notetaker you can still save the PowerPoint as an RTF >>> and emboss it using a braille embosser and use the hard copy as your >>> notes. >>> Hope this helps, >>> Chris >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 21, 2012, at 8:29 PM, "Mark J. Cadigan" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> When presenting a PowerPoint in class, it is easy to run your own >>>> slides >>>> even without screen reading software on the classroom computer. Once >>>> you >>>> have someone open the PowerPoint for you, hitting F5 will start the >>>> slide >>>> show, and hitting the space bar will bring you to the next slide. All >>>> this requires is a good memory so that you know what each slide is >>>> about >>>> and the order of slides. PowerPoint slides are just supposed to be a >>>> couple bullet points or a chart to back up your points. When presenting >>>> you never read the slides verbatim, but instead elaborate on the bullet >>>> points or chart shown. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" >>>> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:15 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >>>> >>>> >>>>> Good evening Ashley and everyone, >>>>> >>>>> So what do you do if you're asked to make a presentation using >>>>> PowerPoint and no one is able to run your slides for you? It seems to >>>>> me >>>>> that running your own slides during your presentation is far >>>>> preferable >>>>> than >>>>> depending on someone else to do it for you. Particularly if you have >>>>> access >>>>> to a classroom computer or a laptop with screen reading software >>>>> installed. >>>>> >>>>> Peter Donahue >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>> >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:33 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gloria, >>>>> >>>>> This question comes up a lot. I have played with powerpoint plus got >>>>> training on it. >>>>> One very helpful resource is the Hadley school for the blind webinars. >>>>> If >>>>> interested go to www.hadley.edu. >>>>> Then click on seminars, then past seminars. Under the technology >>>>> heading >>>>> you >>>>> will see two presentations for powerpoint. >>>>> Click on part one, then listen to part 2 for more instructions on >>>>> presenting >>>>> and fancy effects. >>>>> >>>>> Do you have to add in transitions and animations to your slides? If >>>>> not, >>>>> its >>>>> quite easy. >>>>> To create the powerpoint, assumeing you have office 2010, do this. >>>>> When it opens, you have a title slide. Press tab to go between the >>>>> areas >>>>> you type called place holders. >>>>> Type the title. Press escape to go to object level then tab to the >>>>> next >>>>> place holder. I think you press enter to go to the edit level. Listen >>>>> for >>>>> jaws or your screen reader to say edit. When it says that, type your >>>>> subtitle. >>>>> >>>>> I think the ribbon bar is a pain. It takes a while to move to various >>>>> tabs, >>>>> unlike the menu system we used to have. Anyway, if you do not need >>>>> transitions or animations, no ribbon bar needed. Use standard office >>>>> keyboard commands to move around your text; for instance, control c >>>>> for >>>>> copy, control v for paste, and of course control s for save. >>>>> >>>>> Insert a slide with command control M. By default you will have a >>>>> title >>>>> place holder and a body place holder. I recommend no more than five >>>>> bullet >>>>> points per slide. Also, do not clutter it with text. Its meant as an >>>>> outline; use simple key phrases. You will add to what each bullet >>>>> point >>>>> says >>>>> in your talk. >>>>> >>>>> Press control S to save. If you desire to change font, press control D >>>>> for >>>>> font dialogue box and press tab to go through it all. >>>>> >>>>> For presenting, I second what others said. Make braille notes for >>>>> yourself >>>>> and label by slide; meaning write slide 1 and then outline what you'll >>>>> say, >>>>> not just what is on the slide show; then write slide 2 and write >>>>> notes. >>>>> >>>>> Have someone turn your slides as you go through. Some blind people use >>>>> a >>>>> laptop and jaws to hear their slides, but that seems like a lot of >>>>> trouble. >>>>> If you use the pc in the classroom, just have them turn the slides and >>>>> you >>>>> will be fine. Yes, many times pressing space in slide show mode works, >>>>> but >>>>> if you have animations, it won't always work like that. >>>>> >>>>> Good luck. >>>>> Ashley >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:37 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Powerpoint presentation >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I hope someone can give me some pointers. At the end of this semester >>>>> I >>>>> am >>>>> having to do a power point presentation in one of my classes. I have >>>>> never >>>>> put together a powerpoint by myself. I have been involved in group >>>>> projects >>>>> in which powerpoints were used, but I only submitted my information >>>>> and >>>>> another sighted student incerted my slides. Has anyone had to do this >>>>> and >>>>> how have you handled it? I am also concern when the presentation comes >>>>> how >>>>> to go through the powerpoint during the presentation. Any help is >>>>> welcomed. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> Emory 2012 >> "A pioneer is not someone who makes her own soap. She is one who takes >> up her burdens and walks toward the future." >> -- >> Laurel Thatcher Ulrich >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com > From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 03:19:17 2012 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:19:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I would like to begin learning arabic... now what? how does it work for blind people? Message-ID: hello all, As i previously said, I am an international relations major, and I want to focus on arabic studies to work better with arabic speaking countries. but in all honesty, I have no idea how a blind person can learn the language. I have seen aramedia has a possible screen reader, but then again I have no idea if it actually works. I have heard braille might be the best alternative, but once again i have no idea where one would learn arabic braille. can anyone give me some lights on this matter before i actually begin studying arabic next semester? thank you mauricio From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 11:00:54 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:00:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [nfb-talk] Fwd: I would like to begin learning arabic... now what? how does it work for blind people? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-2604062352866571633@unknownmsgid> Braille would probably be the best way to go for this. As far as learning Arabic braille, I don't know any of it, so I can't tell you any of the symbols. However, I believe Hadley has a course on Arabic braille. Check out www.Hadley.edu. Hope this helps, Chris Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Mauricio Almeida wrote: > hello all > > I figured I would forward this message to this list as well to get as > much feedback as i can. > I appreciat your help in advance. > > Mauricio > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mauricio Almeida > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:19:17 -0400 > Subject: I would like to begin learning arabic... now what? how does > it work for blind people? > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > hello all, > > As i previously said, I am an international relations major, and I > want to focus on arabic studies to work better with arabic speaking > countries. > but in all honesty, I have no idea how a blind person can learn the > language. I have seen aramedia has a possible screen reader, but then > again I have no idea if it actually works. > I have heard braille might be the best alternative, but once again i > have no idea where one would learn arabic braille. > can anyone give me some lights on this matter before i actually begin > studying arabic next semester? > > thank you > > mauricio > > _______________________________________________ > nfb-talk mailing list > nfb-talk at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfb-talk: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-talk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 14:37:06 2012 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel and Stockard) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 09:37:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [nfb-talk] Fwd: I would like to begin learning arabic... now what? how does it work for blind people? In-Reply-To: <-2604062352866571633@unknownmsgid> References: <-2604062352866571633@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Mauricio. My name is Laurel. I study foreign languages at a university here in the states. If you want to learn Arabic, there is a screen reader. Voice over on the apple mac and the ios devices, iPone, iPad, iPod etc includes support for over 30 languages including Arabic. I use this to study Arabic myself and it works great. I also know Arabic braille so I could help you with that. If you wish to contact me privately, my email is laurel.stockard at gmail.com. I would be happy to help you in any way that I can. Laurel Sent from my iPad On Oct 23, 2012, at 6:00, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Braille would probably be the best way to go for this. As far as > learning Arabic braille, I don't know any of it, so I can't tell you > any of the symbols. However, I believe Hadley has a course on Arabic > braille. Check out www.Hadley.edu. > Hope this helps, > Chris > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 22, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Mauricio Almeida > wrote: > >> hello all >> >> I figured I would forward this message to this list as well to get as >> much feedback as i can. >> I appreciat your help in advance. >> >> Mauricio >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Mauricio Almeida >> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:19:17 -0400 >> Subject: I would like to begin learning arabic... now what? how does >> it work for blind people? >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> hello all, >> >> As i previously said, I am an international relations major, and I >> want to focus on arabic studies to work better with arabic speaking >> countries. >> but in all honesty, I have no idea how a blind person can learn the >> language. I have seen aramedia has a possible screen reader, but then >> again I have no idea if it actually works. >> I have heard braille might be the best alternative, but once again i >> have no idea where one would learn arabic braille. >> can anyone give me some lights on this matter before i actually begin >> studying arabic next semester? >> >> thank you >> >> mauricio >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nfb-talk mailing list >> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfb-talk: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-talk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Oct 23 14:40:31 2012 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:40:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Enjoy Free Drinks on a Beautiful Beach Complements of the National Federation of the Blind of Colorado Message-ID: <02a101cdb12c$7fa9bc40$7efd34c0$@labarrelaw.com> Greetings Friends: A few weeks back, I wrote all of you about supporting the National Federation of the Blind of Colorado through our Amazing Vacation Raffle. My heart felt thanks goes out to all of you have supported us thus far! This is now your last chance to participate in this raffle because we will be drawing the winning ticket this Saturday evening at our Annual Banquet and we need to close on line sales by the end of tomorrow, Wednesday, October 24th because we won't have time to organize on line sales while we are at our annual state convention being held this weekend in Boulder, Colorado. What can you win? A $3500.00 travel gift certificate to a travel agency. Any one in the world can win this certificate to travel anywhere in the world. You don't even have to use it all at once. You can break it up inot a few trips and related travel purchases from the agency. What is the cost? The cost of one ticket is $10 and you can get three for $20. How do you purchase tickets? Please go to www.nfbco.org and click on the vacation travel raffle link and follow the instructions from there What does this fundraiser support? It supports our college scholarship program for blind students and our braille literacy program called BELL for blind youth. Again, please go to www.nfbco.org and purchase your tickets. Thanks once more to all those who have purchased tickets already. Please contact me with any questions. Scott C. LaBarre, President National Federation of the Blind of Colorado Direct Dial: 303 504-5979 Email: slabarre at labarrelaw.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Oct 23 15:37:24 2012 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 09:37:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Enjoy Free Drinks on a Beautiful Beach Complements of the National Federation of the Blind of Colorado Message-ID: <046601cdb134$4d3cac10$e7b60430$@labarrelaw.com> Greetings Fellow Federationists: A while ago, I wrote all of you about supporting the National Federation of the Blind of Colorado through our Amazing Vacation Raffle. My heart felt thanks goes out to all of you have supported us thus far! This is now your last chance to participate in this raffle because we will be drawing the winning ticket this Saturday evening at our Annual Banquet and we need to close on line sales by the end of tomorrow, Wednesday, October 24th because we won't have time to organize on line sales while we are at our annual state convention being held this weekend in Boulder, Colorado. What can you win? A $3500.00 travel gift certificate to a travel agency. Any one in the world can win this certificate to travel anywhere in the world. You don't even have to use it all at once. You can break it up inot a few trips and related travel purchases from the agency. What is the cost? The cost of one ticket is $10 and you can get three for $20. How do you purchase tickets? Please go to www.nfbco.org and click on the vacation travel raffle link and follow the instructions from there What does this fundraiser support? It supports our college scholarship program for blind students and our braille literacy program called BELL for blind youth. Again, please go to www.nfbco.org and purchase your tickets. Thanks once more to all those who have purchased tickets already. Please contact me with any questions. Scott C. LaBarre, President National Federation of the Blind of Colorado Direct Dial: 303 504-5979 Email: slabarre at labarrelaw.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 19:54:31 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:54:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote attachment-opening issues Message-ID: <5086f607.4949ec0a.49c4.ffffe5ae@mx.google.com> Dear List, I'm having problems opening an attachment on my braillenote, and I'd appreciate any help. A friend of mine sent me a Doc attachment, the kind that my braillenote apex can open. Howver, when I try to read this attachment, my braillenote says, "Class does not exist." The same thing happens when I detach it and try to read it in keyword. Thanks for any help. Best wishes, Sophie From coastergirl92 at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 20:08:37 2012 From: coastergirl92 at gmail.com (Sarah) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:08:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote attachment-opening issues Message-ID: <5086f949.e4cc440a.3505.454a@mx.google.com> Sophie, Have you tried a soft and hard reset? I haven't had this problem with opening attachments. You could always call Humanware tech support. I hope this helps, Sarah and Wizard ----- Original Message ----- From: Sophie Trist Message-ID: This is just a reminder that the call is tonight. 5 pacific, 8 eastern. I have personally tested the line, and we are good to go! The info is below! We look forward to seeing you on this awesome call! Cindy Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Darian Smith > Date: October 22, 2012, 9:02:35 AM PDT > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Subject: [Ncabs] Regarding the voting call... > Reply-To: North Carolina Association of Blind Students List > > Fellow Federationests, > On behalf of the membership committee of the National Association of > Blind Students, I would like to apologize to all of you who had > attempted to call in for the voting call presented by Nabs. We had > experienced some technical difficulties with the conference line and > were unable to fix them in a timely manner. Please be assured that we > have fixed these matters and have rescheduled the voting call for this > Tuesday (Tomorrow) at 8 p.m. ET. The information for this call can be > found below this note. > > > Greetings fellow blind students and NFB members, > > In the words of former U.S. president Franklyn D. 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PT. > Where: Conference Call, (530)881-1212 Code: 757-809-541 > > We look forward to you joining us! > The NABS Membership Committee > > > > > > > > -- > Darian Smith > > "Let's work together to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" > > http://www.nfb.org/fairwages > > > "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the > formula > for a life well lived." > > - Dr. Peter Benson > > _______________________________________________ > Ncabs mailing list > Ncabs at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/ncabs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Ncabs: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/ncabs_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 21:44:11 2012 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:44:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Acrobat Message-ID: Hello, I just downloaded the latest Acrobat reader and my PDF documents seem to be not loading. I open up the PDFS both in the web browser and from windows explorer and using both Jaws and NVDA, I see nothing. I don't even see the alert saying this is a blank document. I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions? I looked at the settings and everything looked fine. I'm using the latest version of NVDA, Jaws 11 and Windows 7 64 bit. Jaws says the title of the document and NVDA says "Blank". Thank you, Brandon Keith Biggs From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 02:15:14 2012 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:15:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote attachment-opening issues In-Reply-To: <5086f949.e4cc440a.3505.454a@mx.google.com> References: <5086f949.e4cc440a.3505.454a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Sophie, I'm not familiar with the specific error message you mentioned, but it is worth noting that the Apex won't open any MS Word document that contains tables and images. I would suggest for you to try opening the document on your PC and check to see if it contains any tables or graphic objects (Insert plus F1 is a quick way to get at this type of information). If it does, then save the file in plain text (.txt) before transferring it to your Apex. This will remove all the graphics and tables, but it should at least render the text portion of the document readable. Of course, resetting the unit is always something worth trying. Hope this helps! Katie On 10/23/12, Sarah wrote: > Sophie, > > Have you tried a soft and hard reset? I haven't had this problem > with opening attachments. You could always call Humanware tech > support. > I hope this helps, > > Sarah and Wizard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sophie Trist To: nabs Date sent: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:54:31 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote attachment-opening issues > > Dear List, > > I'm having problems opening an attachment on my braillenote, and > I'd appreciate any help. A friend of mine sent me a Doc > attachment, the kind that my braillenote apex can open. Howver, > when I try to read this attachment, my braillenote says, "Class > does not exist." The same thing happens when I detach it and try > to read it in keyword. 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From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 17:33:22 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:33:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Protected View Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow, I love that permanent option! I hadn't heard of that. And, I guess that I thought the track editing was a result of me turning off protected view, but maybe that was a result of the person who created the document, but thanks for that shortcut as well. Cindy On 10/22/12, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi Cindy, > > I'm a little confused by your question. If you are hoping to turn off > Protected View permanently, you can do so by going to Options in MS > Word, select Trust Center in the drop down, and click on Trust Center > Settings. Uncheck the boxes next to Enable Protected View for Files > Originating from the Internet and for Email Attachments and you should > be all set. If JAWS is announcing revisions as you edit a document, > this probably means that you have Track Changes turned on. This > feature is designed for collaborative editing-- All your revisions > will be marked in a different color so that others can tell your work > apart from the original text. If you want to turn off this feature, > the keyboard shortcut Brice suggested should do the trick. Hope this > is somewhat helpful and let me know if you need me to clarify > anything! > > Katie > > > On 10/22/12, Brice Smith wrote: >> Are you talking about turning track changes on or off? You can toggle >> this setting with Control plus shift plus e. >> >> Brice >> >> On 10/22/12, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>> A while ago, we had a thread about protected view. I know how to >>> enable editing. I have been going to the info tab of the tool bar and >>> pressing space on "enable editing." But is there any way to get rid >>> of the JAWS comments like “revision,” or “deleted?” I think they are >>> annoying. Or, is there another way to enable editing besides resaving >>> the document that would result in no announcements? Also, is there >>> anything visually that is prompting the JAWS tutor announcements? I am >>> asking, because I am revising some documents that I must attach to >>> emails, and I wouldn’t want anything visually to indicate that I had >>> edited the document for appeal and continuity’s sake. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cindy Bennett >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Brice Smith >> North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations >> Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 18:51:01 2012 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:51:01 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] information from the voting call Message-ID: Hi all, Credit Cindy Bennett for the notes from last nights call. Also, and most importantly, thanks to Lou Ann Blake from the National Center for voting information and Nijat Worley from the National Center for the Newsline information related to this election! Please enjoy the notes and atatched documents. Utilize the information because information is an empowering thing! Access the NFB’s information about accessible voting and materials for running voting drives go to http://nfb.org/hava-intro. Hava was signed into law in 2002. It was a result from the close 2000 election and the confusing ballots. HAVA insures that everyone can vote independently and privately. HAVA covers federal elections only. It states that all polling places must have an accessible voting machine. States that conduct vote by mail does technically fall under HAVA guidelines, but some do not believe it does. HAVA does not cover state elections. HAVA also does not cover absentee voting. A new requirement in some states is the requirement of voters to bring an ID. This brings up issues because some people don’t bother getting an ID if they don’t drive, and some do not have transportation to get one. It is a measure to help prevent voter fraud. Most election law is state law, not federal law. Typically, you must be a citizen and at least 18 years old by Election Day to register to vote. You can register to vote in many ways. Typically public service offices, libraries, the board of elections, etc. have registration forms. Many states have accessible online forms. Go to www.eac.gov There is a national mail voter registration form that can be used if a state does not have an accessible form. You just print and sign it and send it to your state board of elections. Many voter registration periods end 21 days before the actual election. Rights as a blind voter: For federal elections you have the right to vote privately and independently on an accessible machine. HAVA covers early voting as long as it is for a federal election. So if you vote early, your polling place should have a machine. If there is no machine available or if the poll workers don’t know how to set it up or work it, you have the right to file a complaint with your state board of elections. If poll workers are having problems with the machine, it is suggested that you continue to insist that you want to use the machine and stay. But if they take some time and fix it, then they know how to use it and it will be easier in the future. You have the right to take whoever you want with you to assist you to vote if you wish. This can be helpful for state elections that do not have the accessible ballot requirement. If you do not bring anyone, you can ask a poll worker to assist you. They are not to comment on any voting decision you make at any time. File claims about inaccessible machines or the lack thereof. You can and should also file complaints about any poll worker who attempts to influence your decision. Your state protection and advocacy committee. They can assist in filing a complaint and there is no charge. They get federal money to help make sure voting runs smoothly. P&A contact info for each state is available on your local channel of Newsline. A typical voting machine has a touch screen and there is an audio component once headphones are plugged in and you use a keypad to make your entries. There is no time limit. Some states use a vote by phone system but it has to be done at the polling place. Some states have turned to an online ballot marking system. This is typically used for military and overseas citizens, but the NFB and others are advocating the allowance of this method to be extended to people who need an accessible ballot. There are guidelines for the design of accessible voting machines for things like the quality of the audio, the presence of buttons, etc. there are no federal government regulations that are enforced. Most states have regulations though. If your state is looking into transitioning to a vote by mail system, advocate that they do not switch or that they include a more accessible option.  Get the NFB affiliate involved. Ways to educate poll workers and blind voters You can organize voting drives Volunteer to train poll workers Sign up to be a poll worker Ask someone from the board of elections to bring an accessible machine to a chapter meeting or NFB event The NFB is hosting a blind voter hotline on Election Day. It will be monitored from 7:00 A.M. Eastern Time to 7:00 P.M. Pacific Time. 877.632.1940 Call if poll workers are having trouble setting up the machine, or you are having trouble voting. The league of women voter’s website has nonpartisoned candidate information and registration. Newsline presentation There is now an election news section in the main menu on the phone. On the iPhone app, go to publication options, choose all publications, and election news will be on the list. This feature allows you to read information about candidates from their website. It is then divided into sections to read about positions on various categories such as foreign policy, taxes, etc. You can search for political news. The search function will search the 50 top newspapers in the country about individual candidates. You can also use the global search option in the main menu. P&A contact info for each state, and information about rights for blind voters is available on your state channel of Newsline. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: acluflyers.zip Type: application/zip Size: 72387 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dandrews at visi.com Thu Oct 25 02:26:23 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:26:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: NFBCO STATE CONVENTION STREAMING Message-ID: > >From: Scott C. LaBarre [mailto:slabarre at labarrelaw.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 5:27 PM >To: State Affiliate Leadership List >(state-affiliate-leadership-list at nfbnet.org); NFB Chapter Presidents >discussion list >Cc: NFB of Colorado Discussion List >Subject: FW: NFBCO STATE CONVENTION STREAMING > >Hello Friends, we are conducting our 58th Annual State Convention >starting tomorrow. In Jessica's email below, you will see our live >streaming link or you can go to our website, >www.nfbco.org, and click on the state >convention link and find your way to the stream there as well. I am >also attaching our agenda. Keep in mind that all times are mountain >time. We kick off the weekend with a history seminar featuring >Mrs. Jernigan and Diane McGeorge. > > >I also want to let you know that this is absolutely your last chance >to participate in our amazing vacation travel raffle. Midnight >tonight is the deadline to purchase tickets on line. We will draw >the winning ticket at our banquet Saturday evening and you don't >need to be present to win. Go to >www.nfbco.org and look for the vacation >travel raffle link. > >Best, > >Scott C. LaBarre, President > >National Federation of the Blind of Colorado > > > >From: Jessica Beecham >[mailto:jbeecham at cocenter.org] >Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 4:46 PM >To: jbeecham at cocenter.org >Subject: NFBCO STATE CONVENTION STREAMING > >The URL for the 2012 nfbco stream is: >http://216.241.41.70:8000/nfbco-convention.mp3 >We will begin streaming at approximately 1:00 PM on Thursday. All >convention sessions and selected other events will be streamed. > > >Chip Johnson, >Technology Specialist/instructor >Colorado Center for the Blind >2233 W Shepperd Ave. >Littleton, CO 80120 >303 778-1130 >303) 778-1598 fax >cjohnson at cocenter.org >www.cocenter.org >Take charge with confidence and self-reliance. > > > > >Jessica Beecham >Chapter and Community Development Coordinator >National Federation of the Blind of Colorado >2233 West Shepperd Ave. >Littleton, CO 80120 >jbeecham at nfbco.org >303-778-1130 extension 223 >www.nfbco.org >720-440-2632 > >FaceBook_24x24 > >Twitter_24x24 > >Feed_24x24 - Copy > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2012 nfbco state convention agenda final2.doc Type: application/msword Size: 86528 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sjhhirst at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 16:50:17 2012 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:50:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfb-science] Conference to Investigate Disability Access in STEM Fields of Study In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Independence Science facebook page http://www.facebook.com/IndependenceScience Independence Science blog http://www.independencescience.com/blog/ IsLAND conference on STEM education accessibility http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?llr=zlmm7vfab&oeidk=a07e6dw6o669aa319d6 In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Roger Tower Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:55 AM Subject: [Nfb-science] Conference to Investigate Disability Access in STEM Fields of Study To: nfb-science at nfbnet.org Hello, We invite you, your colleagues, friends, patriots and anyone else interested in helping develop the next wave of accessible technology and teaching methodologies for students with disabilities to enter STEM fields of study. The third annual IsLAND Conference on Disability serves as a way to connect teachers, researchers, and accessibility experts as we discuss the future of education in this underrepresented field. If unable to attend, please pass on our event to anyone you feel would be interested in supporting our mission. Thanks for your time, you can read more about IsLAND with the attached flyer and register with this link: bit.ly/islandconference Lab Access for All, Roger Tower Marketing Director Independence Science Facebook |Twitter< http://twitter.com/indsci> |Science Access Blog *empowering a new vision!* Office: 866.862.9665 Mobile: 609.651.0030 _______________________________________________ Nfb-science mailing list Nfb-science at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-science_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nfb-science: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-science_nfbnet.org/sjhhirst%40gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IsLAND flyer_2012.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 1176965 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dandrews at visi.com Fri Oct 26 00:34:12 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:34:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} The 2013 Dr. Seuss Calendar, in print/braille format! Message-ID: > >[] > > >Cover of Dr Seuss 2013 Calendar >Dr. Seuss 2013 Calendar! >Print/braille calendar, $14.99 >All ages! > >Throughout his life, Dr. Seuss had two goals -- >to make us laugh, and to make us think. He said, >"I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain >cells.... And that enables you to laugh at life's realities." > >Once again, Dr. Seuss puts his own unique spin >on an NBP Favorite - our annual print/braille >calendar! Our 2013 print/braille calendar >includes twelve scenes and quotes from Dr. >Seuss's books, each providing laughter and >insight to help keep you inspired throughout the >year. The calendar features the Cat in the Hat, >a Fox in Sox, Horton, the Grinch, and eight more >well-loved scenes from Dr. Seuss's imagination. > >This wall calendar is 12"x12" (hanging on the >wall it's 12" wide and 24" tall). The braille is >included on clear plastic labels that go right >over the print pages. And as always, our >calendar features a Special Bonus - a sheet of >sixty full-color stickers of Dr. Seuss's more >famous characters to mark birthdays, appointments, and other important days. > >Order very soon - the calendar always sells out! > >Order at: >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/2013SEUSS.html > >More Dr. Seuss: >Marvin >K Mooney Will You Please Go >Now! > >Oh, >The Places You'll >Go! > >Hop >on Pop >****** >To order any books, send payment to: >NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 >Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. >Or order any of our books online at >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html. > >Forward >to a friend > > >NBP logo > > > > > > >Copyright © 2012 National Braille Press, All rights reserved. > >National Braille Press >88 Saint Stephen St >Boston, MA 02115 > >Add >us to your address book > > >www.nbp.org > > > Connect with us! > >Facebook logo > >Twitter logo > > >Linkedin logo > >YouTube logo > > > >Email Marketing Powered by MailChimp > From dandrews at visi.com Fri Oct 26 00:49:14 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:49:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: CEA Bulletin & Exempt Announcement Online Bulletin System Message-ID: > >Michael Hingson >Hi, > >At our convention last Saturday Joe Xavier mentioned that blind >people are not applying for the many jobs available through the >California state government system. I have asked him to add me to >his distribution list which he has done. Here is a job for your >consideration. As he sends me job announcements I will pass them on. > >You can get more information about available jobs by visiting >www.spb.ca.gov. On that site you also can take any appropriate >civil service examination for positions. > > >Best, > > >Michael Hingson > > >A new bulletin listing for EXEMPT was added to the California >Department of Human Resources Online Bulletin System on 10/24/2012. > >Department: DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES > >Position Title: ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR HORIZONTAL INTEGRATION > >Type: EXEMPT > > > >http://jobs.spb.ca.gov/bull2/exemptpdfs/10222012_1.pdf > >This mail message was sent automatically from the California >Department of Human Resources Online Bulletin System. >To unsubscribe from this service, click on the following link: >http://jobs.spb.ca.gov/bull_users/enotifysignin.cfm > >NOTICE: THIS EMAIL WAS SENT FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. DO NOT >REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Oct 27 00:22:43 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 20:22:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Nfbmd] FW: AS HURRICANE SANDY APPROACHES GOVERNOR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY In-Reply-To: <003f01cdb3af$f0001b80$d0005280$@us> References: <003f01cdb3af$f0001b80$d0005280$@us> Message-ID: <00ae01cdb3d9$325fd9b0$971f8d10$@gmail.com> Hi everyone, As many of you probably know, much of the East Coast is bracing for what could be a very dangerous storm; that is, Hurricane Sandy. Many of us are battening down the hatches and getting our emergency supply kits ready as I write this. So, for those of you who are in the path of the storm (which is projected to go up the entire East Coast even up into New England before making a left turn and heading west,) I thought I would share this information with you, as it is good information to have handy in situations such as this. It comes from Melissa Riccobono, our affiliate President here in Maryland. Although the email focusses on Maryland and Marylanders, I think it is good information for any of us who are in the path of Hurricane Sandy. Stay safe! Chris Nusbaum -----Original Message----- From: Nfbmd [mailto:nfbmd-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Ann Riccobono Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 3:27 PM To: 'NFB of Maryland e-mail list'; 'NFB of Maryland Baltimore Chapter Discussion List'; mdabs at nfbnet.org; 'Maryland Parents of Blind Children List' Subject: [Nfbmd] FW: AS HURRICANE SANDY APPROACHES GOVERNOR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY Thias is all good information to have handy. Melissa -----Original Message----- From: Maryland Department of Disabilities [mailto:marylanddepartmentofdisabilities at marylanddepartmentofdisabilities.cc send.com] On Behalf Of Maryland Department of Disabilities Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 1:32 PM To: maricco at uwalumni.com Subject: AS HURRICANE SANDY APPROACHES GOVERNOR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY MDOD logo GOVERNOR O'MALLEY SIGNS EXECUTIVE ORDER DECLARING STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MARYLAND Hurricane Sandy could bring heavy rains, flooding and possible power outages. Awareness, Preparedness and Caution are Strongly Encouraged ANNAPOLIS, MD (October 26, 2012) - Governor Martin O'Malley this morning signed an Executive Order declaring a State of Emergency for all Maryland counties as the State continues to monitor Hurricane Sandy and its potential impact. The declaration gives the state flexibility to activate the Maryland National Guard and provide assistance to local emergency managers. "As Hurricane Sandy makes its way north, I urge all Maryland residents to prepare for extreme weather," said Governor O'Malley. "I urge all Marylanders to review their family emergency plans, make sure their emergency supplies like batteries and water are fully stocked and to stay informed." If the storm hits Maryland, it is expected to move slowly and could bring as much as 48 hours of heavy rain and strong winds. Potential issues could be stream and tidal flooding, trees falling due to the combination of wind and wet ground, and power outages caused by winds and falling trees. Ocean City and Assateague Island likely will see higher than normal waves, even if the storm does not make landfall in the Maryland area, and forecasters are predicting that Garrett County and adjacent parts of Allegany could receive a heavy wet snow as a cold front clashes with the western fringe of the tropical system. The Maryland Emergency Management Agency is encouraging Marylanders to be prepared and use caution as Hurricane Sandy approaches. Motorists are urged to check news, weather and traffic reports before traveling. Flooding may cause the potential for road closures, downed trees or power lines. Maryland residents are reminded to make plans now to deal with the possible effects of the storm and follow weather forecasts over the next several days to learn more about the possible path of Hurricane Sandy. Activities to prepare include: * Prepare for possible power outages lasting several hours or even several days. * Realize that the daytime temperatures are expected to be about 20 degrees cooler after the storm. If the power goes out, make sure you have extra blankets and appropriate clothing to deal with cooler temperatures if you power is out. * If using a generator, make sure it is not in a basement or garage and make sure it is located a safe distance from any door, windows or ventilation systems. * Make sure cell phones and other electronic devices are fully charged. Consider purchasing a car charger if you don't already have one. * Secure any loose items such as yard furniture and grills outside of your house. * Make sure you have a disaster supply kit with water, non-perishable food, a change of clothes, extra medications and any special items you might need for infants, children and pets. * Have a battery-operated or crank powered radio available to follow news and weather reports if the power goes out. * Stores may be crowded on Sunday; consider stocking up on essentials a day or two sooner. * If you lose power, practice safe food handling. Several web sites can provide appropriate information. * If you are driving in or just after heavy rains and you see standing water, do NOT drive through it. TURN AROUND, DON'T DROWN. For more information about hurricanes and Maryland's emergency preparedness, visit the MEMA website . Ready.gov or Listo.gov , a national emergency preparedness website, provides additional information about preparing for a hurricane. The Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) also offers a series of public service announcement videos in American Sign Language (ASL) on emergency preparedness topics, including Preparing for a Hurricane, Staying Safe after the Storm and Clean-up suggestions for after the storm. To view the videos, visit the CDC website. To learn more, follow MEMA and MDOD on Twitter and Facebook! ### CONTACT Andrea Harrison Maryland Department of Disabilities 410-767-3654 TTY: 410-767-3660 aharrison at mdod.state.md.us Forward email This email was sent to maricco at uwalumni.com by mdod at mdod.state.md.us | Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe T | Privacy Policy . Maryland Department of Disabilities | 217 E. Redwood Street | Baltimore | MD | 21202 ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5355 - Release Date: 10/26/12 _______________________________________________ Nfbmd mailing list Nfbmd at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbmd_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nfbmd: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbmd_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.co m From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Oct 27 03:15:25 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:15:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Nfbmd] FW: AS HURRICANE SANDY APPROACHES GOVERNORDECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY Message-ID: <508b51e4.0888ec0a.67bc.27df@mx.google.com> We in Louisiana know what it's like to be targeted by a hurricane. Our prayers are with all of those directly in the path of Hurricane Sandy. I pray that none of you who live in the storm's path will lose property or, much more importantly, life. We are all thinking about you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" , , ,,"Ninette Legates" , ,"LaRue" . Ready.gov or Listo.gov , a national emergency preparedness website, provides additional information about preparing for a hurricane. The Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) also offers a series of public service announcement videos in American Sign Language (ASL) on emergency preparedness topics, including Preparing for a Hurricane, Staying Safe after the Storm and Clean-up suggestions for after the storm. To view the videos, visit the CDC website. To learn more, follow MEMA and MDOD on Twitter and Facebook! ### CONTACT Andrea Harrison Maryland Department of Disabilities 410-767-3654 TTY: 410-767-3660 aharrison at mdod.state.md.us Forward email | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe T | Privacy Policy . Maryland Department of Disabilities | 217 E. Redwood Street | Baltimore | MD | 21202 References: <508b51e4.0888ec0a.67bc.27df@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-2989870773979919926@unknownmsgid> Yes you do! Thank you for your prayers from Louisiana! Chris Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:19 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > We in Louisiana know what it's like to be targeted by a hurricane. Our prayers are with all of those directly in the path of Hurricane Sandy. I pray that none of you who live in the storm's path will lose property or, much more importantly, life. We are all thinking about you. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'", , ,,"Ninette Legates" , ,"LaRue" Date sent: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 20:22:43 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Nfbmd] FW: AS HURRICANE SANDY APPROACHES GOVERNORDECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY > > Hi everyone, > > As many of you probably know, much of the East Coast is bracing for what > could be a very dangerous storm; that is, Hurricane Sandy. Many of us are > battening down the hatches and getting our emergency supply kits ready as I > write this. So, for those of you who are in the path of the storm (which is > projected to go up the entire East Coast even up into New England before > making a left turn and heading west,) I thought I would share this > information with you, as it is good information to have handy in situations > such as this. It comes from Melissa Riccobono, our affiliate President here > in Maryland. Although the email focusses on Maryland and Marylanders, I > think it is good information for any of us who are in the path of Hurricane > Sandy. Stay safe! > > Chris Nusbaum > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nfbmd [mailto:nfbmd-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Ann > Riccobono > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 3:27 PM > To: 'NFB of Maryland e-mail list'; 'NFB of Maryland Baltimore Chapter > Discussion List'; mdabs at nfbnet.org; 'Maryland Parents of Blind Children > List' > Subject: [Nfbmd] FW: AS HURRICANE SANDY APPROACHES GOVERNOR DECLARES STATE > OF EMERGENCY > > Thias is all good information to have handy. > Melissa > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maryland Department of Disabilities > [mailto:marylanddepartmentofdisabilities at marylanddepartmentofdisa > bilities.cc > send.com] On Behalf Of Maryland Department of Disabilities > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 1:32 PM > To: maricco at uwalumni.com > Subject: AS HURRICANE SANDY APPROACHES GOVERNOR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY > > > > > MDOD logo > GOVERNOR O'MALLEY SIGNS EXECUTIVE ORDER DECLARING STATE OF EMERGENCY IN > MARYLAND > > > > Hurricane Sandy could bring heavy rains, flooding and possible power > outages. > > Awareness, Preparedness and Caution are Strongly Encouraged > > > > > > ANNAPOLIS, MD (October 26, 2012) - Governor Martin O'Malley this morning > signed an Executive Order declaring a State of Emergency for all Maryland > counties as the State continues to monitor Hurricane Sandy and its potential > impact. The declaration gives the state flexibility to activate the Maryland > National Guard and provide assistance to local emergency managers. > > > > "As Hurricane Sandy makes its way north, I urge all Maryland residents to > prepare for extreme weather," said Governor O'Malley. "I urge all > Marylanders to review their family emergency plans, make sure their > emergency supplies like batteries and water are fully stocked and to stay > informed." > > > > If the storm hits Maryland, it is expected to move slowly and could bring as > much as 48 hours of heavy rain and strong winds. Potential issues could be > stream and tidal flooding, trees falling due to the combination of wind and > wet ground, and power outages caused by winds and falling trees. Ocean City > and Assateague Island likely will see higher than normal waves, even if the > storm does not make landfall in the Maryland area, and forecasters are > predicting that Garrett County and adjacent parts of Allegany could receive > a heavy wet snow as a cold front clashes with the western fringe of the > tropical system. > > The Maryland Emergency Management Agency is encouraging Marylanders to be > prepared and use caution as Hurricane Sandy approaches. Motorists are urged > to check news, weather and traffic reports before traveling. Flooding may > cause the potential for road closures, downed trees or power lines. > > Maryland residents are reminded to make plans now to deal with the possible > effects of the storm and follow weather forecasts over the next several days > to learn more about the possible path of Hurricane Sandy. Activities to > prepare include: > > * Prepare for possible power outages lasting several hours or even > several days. > * Realize that the daytime temperatures are expected to be about 20 > degrees cooler after the storm. If the power goes out, make sure you have > extra blankets and appropriate clothing to deal with cooler temperatures if > you power is out. > * If using a generator, make sure it is not in a basement or garage > and make sure it is located a safe distance from any door, windows or > ventilation systems. > * Make sure cell phones and other electronic devices are fully > charged. Consider purchasing a car charger if you don't already have one. > * Secure any loose items such as yard furniture and grills outside of > your house. > * Make sure you have a disaster supply kit with water, non-perishable > food, a change of clothes, extra medications and any special items you might > need for infants, children and pets. > * Have a battery-operated or crank powered radio available to follow > news and weather reports if the power goes out. > * Stores may be crowded on Sunday; consider stocking up on essentials > a day or two sooner. > * If you lose power, practice safe food handling. Several web sites > can provide appropriate information. > * If you are driving in or just after heavy rains and you see standing > water, do NOT drive through it. TURN AROUND, DON'T DROWN. > > For more information about hurricanes and Maryland's emergency preparedness, > visit the MEMA website > wyDXat_KEmP > NIAcYo2URz9yJNkuoKB_2ZAh4C9u18fo0DM6ZJ7S1H9a5AYm6AA8ZchcNrzvjpGsR > izNPvKQ_KHP > EH4Y4OGsXXm6U4EkqU6eANvcTrQkQQ==> . Ready.gov > EBB8XdrJbzL > DMf0su9r5cKoWffDIdvAAoUmJrudoIqwiiCJgyHmdseKGp_3SMni_PSyuJijVvrEu > KZqeaqSri19 > 63vSxQzM> or Listo.gov > 7MUd3jd0mQd > 12_QS0f7Og7R6gSYoRZa90NR1S6u9hIhDrHpWzS8JX5lA2LRfELSN-9NIkbZT9qHa > vtTZIoa68EC > iF0785nXkkZzjc1gxXE=> , a national emergency preparedness website, provides > additional information about preparing for a hurricane. 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Redwood Street | Baltimore | MD > | 21202 > > =S0826&o=ht > tp://ui.constantcontact.com/images/p1x1.gif > ________________________________ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5355 - Release Date: 10/26/12 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nfbmd mailing list > Nfbmd at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbmd_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nfbmd: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbmd_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Sun Oct 28 05:03:05 2012 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:03:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my Live Well blog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, Please read my latest Live Well blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2012/10/26/a-mothers-struggle-in-the-n icu/ Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Oct 28 16:57:22 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 10:57:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Teen Looking for Blind Pen Pal Message-ID: Hi all, Sarah Lee, a 13-year-old eighth grader in Longmont who is legally blind, is looking for blind girls and young women to correspond with by phone or email. If you are female and in Grades 7-12, and would like to chat with Sarah, please email her mom, Marianne Lee, at mariannelee at comcast.net Best, Arielle From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Oct 28 19:20:06 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:20:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] hurricane awareness Message-ID: <7265176BBFE74E0A9EB9DA3F49C6F963@OwnerPC> Hi all, As the east coast is bracing for a hurricane, I hope everyone stays safe. Stay indoors whether at campus or home. If the electricity goes out, it is wise to unplug major equipment such as computers, tvs, and stereos to prevent a power surge. As for my family we have a generator for back up electricity should it go out and we have food that does not need refrigeration and of course batteries. Stay safe and I hope we all get through it alright. Ashley From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 00:30:33 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:30:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] hurricane awareness In-Reply-To: <7265176BBFE74E0A9EB9DA3F49C6F963@OwnerPC> References: <7265176BBFE74E0A9EB9DA3F49C6F963@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <006401cdb56c$9dba2550$d92e6ff0$@gmail.com> Hi Ashley, Good tips! Thank you for them! As I said on Friday when I wrote to the lists about this hurricane, I hope everybody stays safe and is prepared for this storm. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] hurricane awareness Hi all, As the east coast is bracing for a hurricane, I hope everyone stays safe. Stay indoors whether at campus or home. If the electricity goes out, it is wise to unplug major equipment such as computers, tvs, and stereos to prevent a power surge. As for my family we have a generator for back up electricity should it go out and we have food that does not need refrigeration and of course batteries. Stay safe and I hope we all get through it alright. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 17:10:16 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:10:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Hurricane Awareness Message-ID: <508eb88e.0604650a.7c92.fffff323@mx.google.com> Hi everyone please stay safe during the hurricane. Keep enough food and water for several days in aase of power outages. Do not go outside during the storm. Stay safe and stay indoors. I hope everyone on the East coast is prepared for this hurricane. From JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com Mon Oct 29 23:52:08 2012 From: JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:52:08 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My voting experience! Message-ID: In 2008, I voted for the first time. When I went to use the electronic machine, it wasn't working. In 2010, during the governor's race, I voted again, and the electronic machine didn't work right. Finally, today I went to cast my vote, (we have early voting,) but this time, the machine worked, and I was able to vote independently! Sometimes I wonder why it takes people 2 years to play catch-up, in matters of blindness. Blessings, Joshua From dandrews at visi.com Tue Oct 30 01:57:40 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:57:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Hadley Ebay module Message-ID: > >Hadley just released a new business module, "Selling on Ebay". > >Selling on eBay is a good opportunity for someone interested in >running a business. This module introduces students to eBay by >identifying how it works, how to register, and how to set up a >seller account, as well as how to purchase an item off eBay. It also >explains how to set up a PayPal account. The module goes on to >explore the costs involved with listing and selling items on eBay. >It also discusses the basics steps for managing sales and listings >on eBay, including the post-sale notifications. The goal is to help >students identify the basic information they need to set up an eBay >seller's account and to recognize the value of eBay as a tool for >starting up and running a business. Note: This module is recommended >for people with strong access technology skills. Applications like >eBay change frequently. This module provides you with a general >overview of the application as it stands at the time of module activation. > >For more information and to enroll, visit: >http://hadley.edu/ShowCourseDetail.asp?courseid=FCE-250 > > > > > > >Tom Babinszki >Director, Forsythe Center for Entrepreneurship >The Hadley School for the Blind >700 Elm Street >Winnetka, IL 60093-2554 >Phone: 847-784-2804 >Fax: 847-446-0855 >E-mail: babinszki at hadley.edu > >Check us out online: >www.hadley.edu >www.facebook.com/thehadleyschoolfortheblind >www.twitter.com/thehadleyschool > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From zdreicer at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 18:05:57 2012 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Griego-Dreicer, Zachary n) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:05:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 72, Issue 32 In-Reply-To: <50901225.a29aec0a.043b.ffff9022@mx.google.com> References: <50901225.a29aec0a.043b.ffff9022@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <08BFF648-8607-4E8B-BB70-E74A238BADA6@gmail.com> Hi, you can get NFB newsline. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:44 AM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hello everyone I have a question for you. Do we have any publications that I can receive via email? If so please let me know as soon as possible. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 18:12:20 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:12:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My Voting Experience In-Reply-To: <50901224.a29aec0a.043b.ffff901f@mx.google.com> References: <50901224.a29aec0a.043b.ffff901f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001501cdb6ca$1aead8e0$50c08aa0$@gmail.com> Hi Roanna, Did you know about the accessible voting machines? You can use them and vote independently without the need for a reader. This is just another option; using a human reader is definitely an option. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Baccchus Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:45 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] My Voting Experience I voted for the first time in this year's Presidential election and my mom had to read the ballot to me. My voting experience went well. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 22:14:53 2012 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:14:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My Voting Experience Message-ID: <50905179.0128650a.041f.ffffdcab@mx.google.com> Chris, I wasn't able to attend the voting conference call. Can those accessible machines be found in every precinct? I'm not old enough to vote yet, but it's never early to start getting ready. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <50905179.0128650a.041f.ffffdcab@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, Is there anywhere that has the voter's guide for my state in one document? I went to the voter's guide at: http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/ and the descriptions in HTML are not the full thing and the PDFs are separate for each prop. I'm having problems with my Adobe acrobat, so would rather not like to try and read 10 or so PDFs... Does the NFB or Bookshare have a BRF, Daisy, doc, txt, html or something of each state's voter's guide? Thank you, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Voting Experience Chris, I wasn't able to attend the voting conference call. Can those accessible machines be found in every precinct? I'm not old enough to vote yet, but it's never early to start getting ready. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <50905179.0128650a.041f.ffffdcab@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Try www.ballotpedia.org The articles about propositions and amendments are formatted like Wikipedia articles, so very user-friendly. Arielle On 10/30/12, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > Is there anywhere that has the voter's guide for my state in one document? I > > went to the voter's guide at: > http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/ > and the descriptions in HTML are not the full thing and the PDFs are > separate for each prop. I'm having problems with my Adobe acrobat, so would > > rather not like to try and read 10 or so PDFs... > Does the NFB or Bookshare have a BRF, Daisy, doc, txt, html or something of > > each state's voter's guide? > Thank you, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- > From: Sophie Trist > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Voting Experience > > Chris, I wasn't able to attend the voting conference call. Can > those accessible machines be found in every precinct? I'm not old > enough to vote yet, but it's never early to start getting ready. > :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:12:20 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Voting Experience > > Hi Roanna, > > Did you know about the accessible voting machines? You can use > them and vote > independently without the need for a reader. This is just another > option; > using a human reader is definitely an option. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Roanna Baccchus > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:45 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] My Voting Experience > > I voted for the first time in this year's Presidential election > and my mom > had to read the ballot to me. My voting experience went well. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Wed Oct 31 02:21:01 2012 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:21:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My Voting Experience In-Reply-To: References: <50905179.0128650a.041f.ffffdcab@mx.google.com> Message-ID: There is info on NFB Newsline, which can be accessed via phone, on the web, with an app etc. Can't say what is there from your state, but worth a look. Dave At 09:05 PM 10/30/2012, you wrote: >Hello, >Is there anywhere that has the voter's guide for my state in one >document? I went to the voter's guide at: >http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/ >and the descriptions in HTML are not the full thing and the PDFs are >separate for each prop. I'm having problems with my Adobe acrobat, >so would rather not like to try and read 10 or so PDFs... >Does the NFB or Bookshare have a BRF, Daisy, doc, txt, html or >something of each state's voter's guide? >Thank you, > >Brandon Keith Biggs From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 04:32:17 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:32:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Urgent: Sign the Petition so a Blind Kid can Learn Braille Message-ID: Hi all, I know that at least some of us went to private preschools for the blind when we were little, which allowed us to learn Braille at an early age and avoid having to attend the school for the blind when we were older. Now, a little blind boy in California named Nathan is being denied the opportunity to go to a preschool for the blind, the Blind Children's Learning Center (BCLC). Rather than pay for him to attend the preschool for the blind, the school district has placed him in a preschool for kids with serious cognitive disabilities. Last year, Nathan was the only kid in his class who was able to speak, so he was unable to interact with his classmates, and he has a TVI who has said she thinks Braille is too slow and hard for him to learn. I don't think I have to tell you guys how inappropriate this placement is for a blind kid without other disabilities. When Nathan went to the BCLC during the summer, though, he made friends and learned five letters in just a few months. Please sign this petition to persuade the school district to pay for Nathan to go to BCLC before he ages out of their program: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/641/695/309/support-sending-nathan-to-preschool-school-for-the-blind/?cid=FB_TAF Please do this so that the coming generation of blind kids can get the education they deserve and gain the skills they need to make their dreams come true. Best, Arielle From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 17:37:40 2012 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:37:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving The Student Slate Via Email Message-ID: <509161fe.63b8ec0a.1559.ffffa346@mx.google.com> Hello everyone I have a question for you. Yesterday I discovered that the National Association Of Blind Students has a publication called The Student Slate. I know that you can download each issue as word documents from the web site. I know that this publication can be received via email. Can you please send me the link so I can sign up to receive this? I looked on the Nfb web site and cannot find it. Any help is greatly appreciated. From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 17:44:51 2012 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:44:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving The Student Slate Via Email In-Reply-To: <509161fe.63b8ec0a.1559.ffffa346@mx.google.com> References: <509161fe.63b8ec0a.1559.ffffa346@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Roanna, When the slate comes out, it is automatically sent to everyone on the NABS listserv, so as long as you remain subscribed here, you will get it. I think the next Student Slate will be coming out soon. Arielle On 10/31/12, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hello everyone I have a question for you. Yesterday I discovered > that the National Association Of Blind Students has a publication > called The Student Slate. I know that you can download each > issue as word documents from the web site. I know that this > publication can be received via email. Can you please send me > the link so I can sign up to receive this? I looked on the Nfb > web site and cannot find it. Any help is greatly appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 18:42:53 2012 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:42:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Friends] Upcoming episode of Speaking Out for the Blind References: <712818454.928718.1351702815699.JavaMail.root@sz0121a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2004490767544351573@unknownmsgid> Although this is an ACB radio program, I thought some of you might be interested in listening to this. Chris Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: *From:* mccallen3 at comcast.net *Date:* October 31, 2012, 1:00:15 PM EDT *To:* friends at acbradio.org *Subject:* *[Friends] Upcoming episode of Speaking Out for the Blind* *Reply-To:* ACBRadio Friends List Happy Halloween ghouls, goblins, and the like, Here's the latest on the next episode of *Speaking Out for the Blind*, which airs tonight on ACB Radio Mainstream at 10:30PM Eastern/7:30PM Pacific Time, and every two hours throughout tomorrow (Thursday). ** Episode 17: College- Airs October 31st I talk with Nicole Bohn of the Disability Programs and Resource Center (DPRC) at San Francisco State University in California. She’ll share some of the resources that help blind and visually impaired college students succeed in school. Thank you. Brian McCallen _______________________________________________ Friends mailing list Friends at acbradio.org http://acbradio.org/mailman/listinfo/friends From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 20:44:49 2012 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:44:49 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Checking boxes in word documents Message-ID: When I encounter documents that require a check mark, I usually put an x in the places I want to check. However I have noticed that many documents now have check boxes imbedded into them, and I am guessing that a sighted person would click inside these boxes if they want to check them. I am a JAWS user, and I have encountered difficulty doing this. If the document isn’t super important, then I just delete the check boxes and x the choice I want to check. But when documents are important, what is the best way to go about this? Thanks. -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Oct 31 21:40:27 2012 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:40:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving The Student Slate Via Email In-Reply-To: <509161fe.63b8ec0a.1559.ffffa346@mx.google.com> References: <509161fe.63b8ec0a.1559.ffffa346@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <32E7799017624851B583FB4831D59790@OwnerPC> Haven't you noticed? They send it out on list as attachments. There is no email list to get the slate. -----Original Message----- From: Roanna Baccchus Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:37 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving The Student Slate Via Email Hello everyone I have a question for you. Yesterday I discovered that the National Association Of Blind Students has a publication called The Student Slate. I know that you can download each issue as word documents from the web site. I know that this publication can be received via email. Can you please send me the link so I can sign up to receive this? I looked on the Nfb web site and cannot find it. Any help is greatly appreciated. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From brlsurfer at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 22:35:46 2012 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:35:46 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] having trouble logging into dropbox on my apex-it worked before Message-ID: <5091a7c7.641a340a.22fe.ffff839e@mx.google.com> Hi, I was using dropbox on my braille note apex and it actually worked out quite well. However, in the last week I am having trouble signing in. When I click on the sign-in button, the braille-note for some reason will not activate the button. Anyone else have this problem? Any suggesttions? What should I do about it? Thank you for your time, Vejas