[nabs-l] accessible phones

Thu Sep 13 21:58:20 UTC 2012

What exactly is the "tactile overlay"?

On 9/13/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have an iPhone 4S with a tactile overlay on the keyboard. I also use
> a RefreshaBraille (made by APH) that connects wirelessly to my phone
> as a Braille display and wireless keyboard for my phone. The
> RefreshaBraille cost me $1800, so not cheap, but much less costly than
> a Braille notetaker.
> I don't think anyone should be put to shame for using the tools that
> they find most effective in their own personal case, whether that tool
> "looks blind" or not. Remember that everyone has different strengths
> and weaknesses, and touch-screen typing may be easy for some of us,
> but may be very difficult for others of us to do quickly or
> accurately. I see nothing wrong with using a tactile overlay on my
> phone, just as I see nothing wrong with using my cane in public or
> using sighted guide at times when it is most convenient for me and my
> companion to do so.
> My sighted friends do have trouble using my phone when VoiceOver is
> active; however, they eventually figure it out, or I tell them how to
> turn VoiceOver off. The tactile overlay doesn't interfere with their
> access to my phone.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 9/13/12, Lavonya Gardner <hotdancer1416 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> People look at my eyes and can tell that I am blind. That is what I ment
>> by
>> that. Sorry if I confused you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 10:49, "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, look blind all you want. I have a guide dog and run around with my
>>> cane, so it's not that that I really ment as much as it just makes you
>>> look weird with dots all over your screen. People already have this
>>> weird
>>> "o he's blind" perception, I'd rather fix it over furthering it. "look,
>>> his screen is dotted. That's... cool!"
>>> On 9/13/2012 3:45 AM, Lavonya Gardner wrote:
>>>> Oh wow. I am sure I have never seen an overlay. I am also sure I
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> need itt. I am using a touch screen to type this, and I am doing just
>>>> fine.looking blind isn't a big deal to me, however looking like an
>>>> idiot,
>>>> would be.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 22:11, "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The overlay is this sorta sticky sheet of dots that's supposed to
>>>>> cover
>>>>> the keys when the keyboard is active. When I want my keyboard, I slide
>>>>> it out. When I don't want it, I push it back in. End result my screen
>>>>> stays dot free and I can type much faster. You'll learn where the keys
>>>>> are if you type on the screen anyway, but you'll never really be able
>>>>> to
>>>>> type like on a normal keyboard. I type a bit differently, but I can
>>>>> still use home row on my bluetooth.
>>>>> On 9/12/2012 8:02 PM, Valerie Gibson wrote:
>>>>>> How are the overlay and the bluetooth iphone case/keyboard not the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> the are suppposedly to make it easier to type, or so i've heard.
>>>>>> okay,
>>>>>> granted one of them has a case, but they both are supposed to
>>>>>> ultimately do the same thing, right? or no
>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler"
>>>>>> <tyler at tysdomain.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And because it's by the blind and for the blind, I hope you all got
>>>>>>> mantions to sell or a friendly local Uncle Sam willing to dish out
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> money for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/12/2012 7:06 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>> I believe the only phone built especially for the blind, by the
>>>>>>>> blind, is the Braille Plus 18 coming out from APH in a little
>>>>>>>> while...
>>>>>>>> That will have Sim Card support on release with more carriers put
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> as time goes on.
>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Lavonya Gardner
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:23 AM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible phones
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Tyler,
>>>>>>>> Have you seen a phone with a Braille display? What do they look
>>>>>>>> like?
>>>>>>>> Do they have print numbers that show up when the speach is turned
>>>>>>>> off? I think I understand the hole explaining specialized equipment
>>>>>>>> for the blind t lay people. It is not easy. Laugh out loud
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 13:48, "Littlefield, Tyler"
>>>>>>>> <tyler at tysdomain.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the psychological diagnosis. I've accepted my blindness
>>>>>>>>> and all that. Yes, they make you look blind. You have a normal
>>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>> with a bunch of dots on the screen and if anyone sighted wants to
>>>>>>>>> turn off voiceover and use it, it's kind of weird.
>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2012 10:28 AM, colorado.students at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that the braille overlays get in the way, and for
>>>>>>>>>> furthermore
>>>>>>>>>> they don't make you look blind.  I would say that it is the
>>>>>>>>>> individuals
>>>>>>>>>> choice if he or she wants to use it.  Also, if one fills that
>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>> makes them look blind then they are not yet ready to except their
>>>>>>>>>> blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Robin
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:15 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible phones
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's that supposed to MEAN? What's WRONG with lookin' BLIND?
>>>>>>>>>> Just
>>>>>>>>>> wondering.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm TOTALLY Blind, and I'm PROUD!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just Sayin'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At 07:56 AM 9/12/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't need the braille overlay. I really do recommend an
>>>>>>>>>>> IPhone.
>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to avoid jumping on the band wagon, but I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>> As an alternative, you can get talkx or uh, the other one on a
>>>>>>>>>>> nokia
>>>>>>>>>>> phone, or you can get an android. They're nice, but they've got
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>> of issues. IPhone is the most advanced in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility,
>>>>>>>>>>> IMO.
>>>>>>>>>>> And you don't need braille overlays, they just get in the way
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>> you look well, blind.
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2012 8:18 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the only accessible one I know of.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on
>>>>>>>>>>>> behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Gloria G [gloria.graves at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, but I do not want to have an I-phone.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <JLester8462 at PCCUAEDU.onmicrosoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:03 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never heard of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just get the IFone, with the Braille overlay, and you'll be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Gloria G [gloria.graves at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:58 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am checking out phones. Has anyone heard of the LG My Touch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so, is it accessible? I talked to the carrier which is Teen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mobil,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I have had situations in which the carrier will say
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible or has speech capabilities and they do not and vice
>>>>>>>>>>>>> versa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help you can give.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gloria
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>>>>> The aspen project: a barebones light-weight mud engine:
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>>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool;
>>>>> he
>>>>> that dares not reason is a slave.
>>>>>
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>>> that dares not reason is a slave.
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