[nabs-l] Lines
Sarah
coastergirl92 at gmail.com
Sat Apr 6 18:21:06 UTC 2013
Our awesome Magic Mountain has a skip the line pass because I'm a
coaster fiend too, and my dog won't wait in line for 4 hours at a
time. Magic Mountain rocks, they give you a pass automatically
if you are blind or especially if you are on the autism Spectrum
which I am.
----- Original Message -----
From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
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Date sent: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:54:34 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lines
Really, we are still on profane language?
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Kaiti Shelton
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 12:26 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lines
Hi all,
Ashley, apparently it is. I'm at a conference now and a guy who
was
talking about the one in Minnisota, which they actually call
Valley
Fair, has that option apparently. (He happened to be talking
about
how they got a skip ahead pass for their young daughter who is a
roller coaster fiend.)
I hope I'm not being too scattered by commenting on several
comments
in the thread in one message, but here it goes.
I agree, if in the event you get lost you should always have at
least
the skill to backtrack or do whatever you need to do to un-lose
yourself, or to do something on your own. I've done quite a bit
of
traveling in comparison to most students in my year because of
the
nature of my major. (This is my second conference in six months
and I
traveled with one of my band ensembles a month before my first
conference just in this year alone). There have been occasions
on
trips like these or on ones I took with various groups in high
school
that I did get separated from the group for whatever reason and I
had
to find my way back in an unfamiliar place. Now it's not such a
big
problem because I'm with other students who are training to work
with
people with disabilities and mental disorders and such so they
make
sure I stay with them if we're not already engaged in
conversation on
the way, but in high school it was trickier. Speaking of New
York,
the one time I really had to work to find where I was going was
when
my band went to New York City and we took a walking/bus tour
through
the city. We were going through Central Park and we stopped at
Strawberry Fields. Being a huge Beatles fan I stopped to listen
to a
guy who was playing some of their songs and didn't pay attention
to my
tour guide and group leave the area. I had to be able to trace
my
steps back to the bus in order to make sure I would be there in
time
for the next pull-out. (I could have tried to find them, but
there
were several paths going off of that one point and I didn't want
to
risk getting lost, but the point is I was able to backtrack and
do
what I had to do). Other times, as Kirt said, I'll be at an
event of
some sort and need to use the restroom or want to get a drink or
something. I'm all for just taking care of what you need
yourself in
those situations too; it makes no sense making someone walk with
you
to a place you're perfectly capable of getting to on your own.
If for
some reason you really can't get there then that is different,
but if
you can do it without someone else interveening that is ideal, I
think.
I don't necessarily think guide dogs are exploited. Often, the
bond
between guide dog and handler is really strong and the dogs like
to
work. (I've seen plenty of dogs perk up when their owners get
out
their harnesses to take them on a walk). they're not beaten or
shocked, and most who have handlers who treat them well seem to
enjoy
what they do. Granted, not all handlers treat their dogs well
and
that is the real problem that needs correcting in those
situations,
and I certainly am not a doggy mind-reader, but this is just what
I've
observed.
I also agree that list serves which are publically archived are
not
the best place for profanity. I'm all for saying what you mean
and
meaning what you say in plain English, but the bottom line is
that
these things can show up in Google searches and I can't speak for
everyone, but I personally have been lectured several times about
being careful with what I post on the web. The scope of this
goes far
beyond the possibility of offending someone on the NABS list or
even
the NFB, because if an employer is the type of person that finds
that
unnecessary language offensive it could cost a person a job.
Kirt has
a point, it's not like every day speech where something could
just
slip out or roll off the tongue and people won't care as much,
emails
and written communication are much more deliberate because you
have
time to think about what you're putting down in print before you
post
or send it to somewhere. If an employer sees something they
don't
like posted online in a public place, they might consider that
just a
hop skip and a jump away from making poor judgements in wording
when
writing company memoes or other things that need to be in print
for
their business. I'm not saying that this instance will work that
way,
but people have been denied or lost their jobs before over this
so
it's just something to watch out for.
On 4/5/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi Justin,
I didn't know you could cut in line either except for disney
world.
Apparently sara does it at six flags, so it must be available
there too.
-----Original Message-----
From: justin williams
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:12 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lines
Wow, I didn't no you can cut in line like that. I wouldn't. I
can stand
up
just fine. I'm not telling anyone else that they shouldn't. I
don't want
to
get in someone's grill like that.
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Ashley
Bramlett
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:40 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lines
what amusement parks do you frequent that let you do this, Sara?
You get to ride lots more than the average person. I don't know
how you
stand all those roller coasters.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:05 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lines
My dog is very impati-that about waiting he can't wait in line
at
the bank very good without geting restless let alone a theme
park. Besides, when you don't cart the lines at theme parks
you're lucky if you get to ride like 4 rides because our
amusement parks are only open like 8 hours at the most.
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 22:45:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lines
Hi everyone,
I remember getting those special bracelets that let me cut in
line at
6 Flags here in St. Louis. I didn't know better as a kid, but
as I
got older, I've wondered about the logic of such things. we are
physically capable of standing in line. Well, there are those
who are
blind and have other disabilities that may prevent them from
doing so.
I just didn't get it.
Now I use a guide dog. I don't think I've ever chosen to take
her to
an amusement park. If I had to bring her to an amusement park,
I
suppose it would be better for her to cut in line. I don't
think
I
would ever bring her outside in the heat like that for a long
period
of time. If I went to an amusement park all year round, like it
seems
Sarah does, it would be a different story though. Then I don't
see
why my dog would have a problem waiting in line. I'm not sure
though.
Haven't tried it. Lol
Also the Disney parks have a place where people can keep their
dogs
while they're riding rides. I don't know much about it, but
it's
an
option.
On 4/1/13, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Thank you Kirt for making such a great point. When I was
growing up my
parents and friends often pressured me to use my blindness so
that we
could cut lines and sometimes my parents even required it
without
giving me a choice about it. I used to try and justify our
behavior
but in the end when I did this I always felt a deep sense of
shame
and anger, but I could never figure out why. Since then I have
learned
about self-perception theory in psychology classes and I think I
understand why it bothers me (and many of us) so much.
Basically,
self-perception theory posits that we draw conclusions about
ourselves
by observing our own behavior. I think whenever I used my
blindness as
a reason to get a guest pass and skip the line, it made me start
to
see myself as a handicapped or crippled person, which was very
upsetting. For some people who have trouble standing for long
periods
of time, or who have guide dogs who get uncomfortable standing
out in
the sun, cutting in line seems legitimate. But if we can
physically
handle the lines, accepting the special passes doesn't do us any
real
favors. I insist on standing in line with everyone else because
I want
to see myself (and my fellow blind friends) as strong, healthy,
normal
people. I feel I have little to gain by skipping the lines, and
much
to lose in terms of self-esteem and self-respect. I think every
time
we take an accommodation, we need to think about what we are
gaining
from that accommodation vs. what we are potentially losing in
terms of
normalcy. If an accommodation like a piece of technology is
truly
necessary, it will give enough benefit that it's worth the
self-esteem
hit. But if an accommodation isn't really needed, I think we
have more
to lose than we have to gain by accepting it. For this same
reason I
also do not write off blindness as a reason to claim a tax
deduction.
I am proud to be (barely) earning enough income to be required
to pay
taxes and paying taxes just like anyone else in my income
bracket
makes me feel good about myself and where I belong in the world.
There's also the argument that if we want to be allowed the same
rights sighted people get, we need to be willing to saddle the
extra
responsibilities. If we want to be allowed to ride amusement
park
rides without discrimination, we need to be willing to wait in
line.
It sends a mixed message to skip the line and then insist on
equal
treatment by the ride operators, just like it sends a mixed
message to
request unnecessary extra time on tests and then ask for a
professor's
letter of recommendation.
Again, though I'm not a dog user, I think having a guide dog is
a
legitimate reason to not wait in lines.
Arielle
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