[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

justin williams justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Thu Apr 11 14:08:50 UTC 2013 

No not even good.  Cabs are two expensive, and you have to measure bus v.
paratransit, or move everywhere when you change jobs.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:54 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

I would drive one of these in a heartbeat. I hate the bus! I am 49 and have
been ridng the bus since I was 12. I am frustrated it takes me 2 or more
hours to get somewhere that takes 20-30 minutes by car. And this has been
both in San Diego and Phoenix with buses running every 20-30 minutes I
almost always end up with 2 hour trips each way.  It is frustrating to only
be able to apply to a company who is on a bus route. I want the freedom to
work where I would enjoy myself the most and with the position that matches
my skill best. I also live in Phoenix (for now) and by the time I get
anywhere I am dripping in sweat. that is not good when going to work. Give
me a Google car!!


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:09 AM, christopher nusbaum <
dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Kirt,
>
> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, we 
> must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that  all 
> Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than prototypes.
> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over by 
> human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which someone 
> reposted here mentioned.
>
> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people don't 
> live in areas where public transportation is easily available, such as 
> Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural town in 
> Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are 
> paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of these 
> options are preferable Because of the cost if not the reliability. For 
> this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car might 
> give me in this area.
>
> Just my thoughts,
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Patrick,
> >  If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're 
> > right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was that 
> > this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's realisticly 
> > viable now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be able 
> > to drive.  Where the google car is now is probably comparable to 
> > where the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see the 
> > possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know" were 
> > probably aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to go 
> > before it was viable to the general public.
> >  And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't have 
> > to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and landing.
> > Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very close 
> > attention in the event something goes wrong.
> >  Carley,
> >  I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable about 
> > driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than public 
> > transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city comes to 
> > mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would totally 
> > jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were realistic and 
> > safe, at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far enough 
> > away that I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and 
> > trains any time soon.
> >  Best,
> > Kirt
> >
> > On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly 
> >> Mihalakis
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National 
> >> Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>
> >> Hi, List,
> >>
> >> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted folk 
> >> seem to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their 
> >> fellow man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not having 
> >> that crap to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about 
> >> chances of ever affording such a car. And, I don't care about the 
> >> principles personal cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you 
> >> that a bus, train, or friend/driver cannot?
> >>  Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be 
> >> a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
> >> So no, on the car!
> >> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
> >>> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major 
> >>> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in 
> >>> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us 
> >>> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was 
> >>> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will 
> >>> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing 
> >>> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is already
> going
> >>> mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing 
> >>> wrong
> >> with
> >>> backing both cars.
> >>> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own 
> >>> control
> or
> >>> a
> >>> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen 
> >>> reader to
> >> read
> >>> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is very 
> >>> important. The difference is the Google car is going mainstream 
> >>> and
> will
> >>> have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went 
> >>> mainstreem
> and
> >>> companies like Google started making units that used Jaws and no
> screen.
> >>> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for most 
> >>> common tasks.
> >>> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very
> little
> >>> or
> >>> no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long driveway or
> country
> >>> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be 
> >>> completely entered into the database.
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Sophie Trist
> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>
> >>> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a 
> >>> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince 
> >>> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is 
> >>> superior.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken 
> >>> into account I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be 
> >>> worked out, but if the government officials are pushed, it will 
> >>> happen very soon.
> >>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they 
> >>> could even ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google 
> >>> would take the challenge.
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Justin Young
> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>
> >>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for 
> >>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very interesting 
> >>> project.
> >>>
> >>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads 
> >>> after the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday 
> >>> the nation's first autonomous vehicle license.
> >>>
> >>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways, in 
> >>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip, 
> >>> the Nevada DMV said in a statement.
> >>>
> >>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for 
> >>> the state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That 
> >>> law went into effect on March 1, 2012.
> >>>
> >>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors, 
> >>> lasers, and a database of information collected from manually 
> >>> driven cars to help navigate, according to the company.
> >>>
> >>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its 
> >>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford 
> >>> professor and Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
> >>>
> >>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge and 
> >>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to 
> >>> the company.
> >>>
> >>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV 
> >>> director Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has 
> >>> plans to eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the 
> >>> members of the public, the DMV said.
> >>>
> >>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in 
> >>> other states, including Google's home state of California.
> >>>
> >>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
> >>> Through
> >>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous 
> >>> vehicle is capable of analyzing the driving environment more 
> >>> quickly and operating the vehicle more safely," California state 
> >>> Senator Alex Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's 
> >>> autonomous car legislation.
> >>>
> >>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in 
> >>> Nevada, the DMV said.
> >>>
> >>>
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