[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Fri Apr 12 17:24:50 UTC 2013

Something else I just thought of now. If we, as blind people, are
allowed to drive, then we'll be even closer to sighted people.
Granted, we won't be DRIVING, but still. The idea is that one more
barrier between the blind and sighted communities will be broken down
within our lifetime.
Patrick

On 4/12/13, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:
> Hi Sam, and all!
> I'm saving up for that car!
> It would be a huge help with me traveling, and performing at different
> places!
> Blessings, Joshua
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sam Nelson
> [samnelson1 at verizon.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:54 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> Hi Peter,
>  I agree with you about supporting something even if personally you may not
> use it. I doubt I'd ever have the money for this car, and I'd want to make
> sure it was as safe as possible  before even being in it, but I totally
> support the car being out there for those that can get it  and am behind
> anyone who wants one.
>  Sam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:04 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> Good morning everyone,
>
>     One thing we should keep in mind is that certain issues or choices may
> not be important to an individual but they are very significant to others.
> You may not want a car of your own to drive but get behind our efforts to
> develop a vehicle drivable by a blind person for those who want that choice
> and all that comes with it. Maybe you don't mind sitting around waiting for
> a bus or a paratransit vehicle to show up but others live busy lives and
> would benefit from having their own transportation they can use at their
> convenience and not be limited to living in areas where public
> transportation is available.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sophie Trist" <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
>
> Carly, with all due respect, I strongly disagree with you. Having
> to rely on public transportation severely limits us. If you want
> super reliable PT, you have to live in a big city. I've been
> experimenting with the PT in my hometown, and it isn't always on
> time. I do not want to live in a big city--I'm more of a small
> town kind of girl.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:32:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> Hi, List,
>
> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted folk
> seem
> to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their fellow
> man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not having that
> crap
> to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about chances of
> ever
> affording such a car. And, I don't care about the principles
> personal
> cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you that a bus,
> train, or
> friend/driver cannot?
>   Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta
> be
> a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
> So no, on the car!
> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a
> major
> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust
> us
> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he
> will
> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing
> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> Hello,
> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is
> already going
> mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing
> wrong with
> backing both cars.
> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own
> control or a
> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen
> reader to read
> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is
> very
> important. The difference is the Google car is going mainstream
> and will
> have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went
> mainstreem and
> companies like Google started making units that used Jaws and no
> screen.
> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for most
> common
> tasks.
> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very
> little or
> no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long driveway
> or country
> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be
> completely
> entered into the database.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sophie Trist
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince
> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
> superior.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> Hello,
> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken
> into account
> I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out, but
> if the
> government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they
> could even
> ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take
> the
> challenge.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Young
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very
> interesting
> project.
>
> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
> after
> the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
> nation's
> first autonomous vehicle license.
>
> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways,
> in
> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip,
> the
> Nevada DMV said in a statement.
>
> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for
> the
> state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law
> went
> into effect on March 1, 2012.
>
> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
> lasers,
> and a database of information collected from manually driven
> cars to
> help navigate, according to the company.
>
> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
> professor and
> Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
>
> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge
> and
> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to
> the
> company.
>
> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
> director
> Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
> eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of
> the
> public, the DMV said.
>
> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in
> other
> states, including Google's home state of California.
>
> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
> Through
> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
> vehicle
> is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
> operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator
> Alex
> Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous
> car
> legislation.
>
> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
> Nevada,
> the DMV said.
>
>
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