[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Fri Apr 12 17:39:49 UTC 2013

Good morning, Josh,

  It's not a matter of vocabulary but  passion! Have you or your 
English  teacher ever heard of it?
  At 10:31 AM 4/12/2013, you wrote:
>Great comeback, Susanne!
>As for Carly, and some others, I guess people never learn!
>As my old 10th grade English teacher said, "When you curse, it shows 
>that you have a limited vocabulary."
>Blessings, Joshua
>________________________________________
>From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Suzanne 
>Germano [sgermano at asu.edu]
>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:27 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
>I feel "my blind ass" is not limited on how much I can earn, so yes I may
>one day be able to afford this car. And if I had the freedom to get
>anywhere then I am more likely to earn more money because I can actually
>chose where I want to work. Salaries for Software engineers a good plus my
>fiance's income. I try not to look at life with limitations.
>
>
>On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs <
>brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > Google is supportive of having blind drivers, they have come to events and
> > shown blind folks the car. I've sat in quite a few, although I've never
> > been in one while it has been driven. I'd think it will be exactly like
> > being a passenger of a sighted driver, but without the crazy breakings
> > every few minutes and the heart attacks the sighted drivers 
> constantly face.
> > Frankly, I would trust the Google Car way more than I would trust my mom
> > as the driver. Computers are much more reliable than humans in my opinion.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs
> > -----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum
> > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:03 AM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >
> > As it stands, he's going to need a sighted driver in the car who can
> > take the wheel when the need arises. But Google will have to fix this
> > if they're hoping for a blind person to drive it independently.
> >
> > Chris Nusbaum
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >  Hi, Chris, Kirt and everyone else on this thread,
> >>
> >> You guys are right in saying that, one need not pass judgement without
> >> fully experiencing this machine in Wonderland. it's true we don't have all
> >> the information. And, I think it's right when you say the thing doesn't
> >> murge onto the freeway. What happens to the driving blink if he dares to
> >> usese se the interstate? usese the freeway? 4/12/2013, christopher nusbaum
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Kirt,
> >>>
> >>> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, we
> >>> must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that  all
> >>> Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than prototypes.
> >>> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over by
> >>> human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which someone
> >>> reposted here mentioned.
> >>>
> >>> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people don't
> >>> live in areas where public transportation is easily available, such as
> >>> Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural town in
> >>> Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are
> >>> paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of these
> >>> options are preferable Because of the cost if not the reliability. For
> >>> this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car might
> >>> give me in this area.
> >>>
> >>> Just my thoughts,
> >>>
> >>> Chris Nusbaum
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Patrick,
> >>> >  If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're
> >>> > right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was that
> >>> > this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's realisticly
> >>> > viable now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be able
> >>> > to drive.  Where the google car is now is probably comparable to where
> >>> > the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see the
> >>> > possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know" were probably
> >>> > aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to go before it was
> >>> > viable to the general public.
> >>> >  And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't have
> >>> > to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and landing.
> >>> > Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very close attention
> >>> > in the event something goes wrong.
> >>> >  Carley,
> >>> >  I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable about
> >>> > driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than public
> >>> > transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city comes to
> >>> > mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would totally
> >>> > jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were realistic and safe,
> >>> > at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far enough away that
> >>> > I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and trains any time
> >>> > soon.
> >>> >  Best,
> >>> > Kirt
> >>> >
> >>> > On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >> From: nabs-l 
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org<nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>]
> >>> On Behalf Of Carly
> >>> >> Mihalakis
> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
> >>> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
> >>> >> Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi, List,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted folk seem
> >>> >> to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their fellow
> >>> >> man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not having that crap
> >>> >> to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about chances of ever
> >>> >> affording such a car. And, I don't care about the principles personal
> >>> >> cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you that a bus, train, or
> >>> >> friend/driver cannot?
> >>> >>  Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be
> >>> >> a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
> >>> >> So no, on the car!
> >>> >> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
> >>> >>> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major
> >>> >>> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
> >>> >>> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us
> >>> >>> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
> >>> >>> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will
> >>> >>> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing
> >>> >>> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> >>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Hello,
> >>> >>> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is already
> >>> >>> going
> >>> >>> mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing
> >>> >>> wrong
> >>> >> with
> >>> >>> backing both cars.
> >>> >>> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own >>>
> >>> control or
> >>> >>> a
> >>> >>> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen reader
> >>> >>> to
> >>> >> read
> >>> >>> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is very
> >>> >>> important. The difference is the Google car is going mainstream and
> >>> >>> will
> >>> >>> have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went
> >>> mainstreem >>> and
> >>> >>> companies like Google started making units that used Jaws and no >>>
> >>> screen.
> >>> >>> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for most >>>
> >>> common
> >>> >>> tasks.
> >>> >>> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very
> >>> >>> little
> >>> >>> or
> >>> >>> no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long driveway or
> >>> >>> country
> >>> >>> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be
> >>> >>> completely
> >>> >>> entered into the database.
> >>> >>> Thanks,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs
> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >>> From: Sophie Trist
> >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
> >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
> >>> >>> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince
> >>> >>> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
> >>> >>> superior.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> >>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Hello,
> >>> >>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken
> >>> >>> into account
> >>> >>> I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out, but
> >>> >>> if the
> >>> >>> government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
> >>> >>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they
> >>> >>> could even
> >>> >>> ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> challenge.
> >>> >>> Thanks,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs
> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >>> From: Justin Young
> >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
> >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
> >>> >>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very
> >>> >>> interesting
> >>> >>> project.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
> >>> >>> after
> >>> >>> the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
> >>> >>> nation's
> >>> >>> first autonomous vehicle license.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways,
> >>> >>> in
> >>> >>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip,
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> Nevada DMV said in a statement.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law
> >>> >>> went
> >>> >>> into effect on March 1, 2012.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
> >>> >>> lasers,
> >>> >>> and a database of information collected from manually driven
> >>> >>> cars to
> >>> >>> help navigate, according to the company.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
> >>> >>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
> >>> >>> professor and
> >>> >>> Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge
> >>> >>> and
> >>> >>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> company.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
> >>> >>> director
> >>> >>> Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
> >>> >>> eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> public, the DMV said.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in
> >>> >>> other
> >>> >>> states, including Google's home state of California.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
> >>> >>> Through
> >>> >>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
> >>> >>> vehicle
> >>> >>> is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
> >>> >>> operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator
> >>> >>> Alex
> >>> >>> Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous
> >>> >>> car
> >>> >>> legislation.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
> >>> >>> Nevada,
> >>> >>> the DMV said.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
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