[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Fri Apr 12 18:43:33 UTC 2013

Good point, Carly. That's not just in Berkeley, by the way.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 12, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi, Chris,
>
> Sighted people in my experience regard they're cars as part of them, I know. Like, you should have seen my old Dad when he got stuck on the subway after the doors closed at the line's beginning! Can you say deer in the headlights?
> And Chris, there are only you know, nuts here in Berkeley who are really devoted to reducing their carbon footprint who take the bus exclusively. 4/12/2013, christopher nusbaum wrote:
>> Amen, Sophie! You could rely on a friend, family member, or other
>> hired driver for your transportation, but this doesn't always work
>> because you need to juggle their schedule with yours. Carly, how many
>> sighted people have you known to rely solely on public transportation
>> in your area? Granted, many people in NYC don't have cars. But this is
>> due to the layout of the city, which makes it more efficient to use
>> public transportation. In most cities, however, many people still use
>> cars to travel in the city, despite the reliability of the transit
>> system. This is definitely true in Baltimore and even in Washington,
>> DC.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Carly, with all due respect, I strongly disagree with you. Having to rely on public transportation severely limits us. If you want super reliable PT, you have to live in a big city. I've been experimenting with the PT in my hometown, and it isn't always on time. I do not want to live in a big city--I'm more of a small town kind of girl.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:32:30 -0700
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >
>> > Hi, List,
>> >
>> > On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted folk seem
>> > to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their fellow
>> > man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not having that crap
>> > to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about chances of ever
>> > affording such a car. And, I don't care about the principles personal
>> > cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you that a bus, train, or
>> > friend/driver cannot?
>> > Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be
>> > a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
>> > So no, on the car!
>> > Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
>> > I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major
>> > milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
>> > sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us
>> > to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
>> > computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will
>> > never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing
>> > them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> > The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is already going
>> > mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing wrong with
>> > backing both cars.
>> > The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own control or a
>> > computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen reader to read
>> > a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is very
>> > important. The difference is the Google car is going mainstream and will
>> > have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went mainstreem and
>> > companies like Google started making units that used Jaws and no screen.
>> > Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for most common
>> > tasks.
>> > If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very little or
>> > no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long driveway or country
>> > road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be completely
>> > entered into the database.
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Brandon Keith Biggs
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Sophie Trist
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >
>> > Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
>> > self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince
>> > them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
>> > superior.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> > Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken
>> > into account
>> > I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out, but
>> > if the
>> > government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
>> > I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they
>> > could even
>> > ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take
>> > the
>> > challenge.
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Brandon Keith Biggs
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Justin Young
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >
>> > So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
>> > individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very
>> > interesting
>> > project.
>> >
>> > On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
>> > after
>> > the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
>> > nation's
>> > first autonomous vehicle license.
>> >
>> > The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways,
>> > in
>> > Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip,
>> > the
>> > Nevada DMV said in a statement.
>> >
>> > The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for
>> > the
>> > state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law
>> > went
>> > into effect on March 1, 2012.
>> >
>> > Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
>> > lasers,
>> > and a database of information collected from manually driven
>> > cars to
>> > help navigate, according to the company.
>> >
>> > The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
>> > experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
>> > professor and
>> > Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
>> >
>> > Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge
>> > and
>> > driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to
>> > the
>> > company.
>> >
>> > Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
>> > director
>> > Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
>> > eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of
>> > the
>> > public, the DMV said.
>> >
>> > Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in
>> > other
>> > states, including Google's home state of California.
>> >
>> > "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
>> > Through
>> > the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
>> > vehicle
>> > is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
>> > operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator
>> > Alex
>> > Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous
>> > car
>> > legislation.
>> >
>> > Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
>> > Nevada,
>> > the DMV said.
>> >
>> >
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