[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Fri Apr 12 20:12:40 UTC 2013

Hello,
Frankly I would rather get a Google car than a house. Most people take out a 
mortgage for homes, I'd consider a car definitely beyond the value of a 
house.
Also, the users won't be messing around with the software and that is what 
generally creates a malfunction. I'm pretty sure that the amount of times a 
computer malfunctions is not even comparable to the amount of times a human 
makes a mistake. I don't even think there is a comparison as computers can 
be kept from malfunctioning by someone who knows what they are doing. Humans 
are the only enemy in this situation.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message----- 
From: Carly Mihalakis
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 10:32 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Hi, Chris,

Sighted people in my experience regard they're cars as part of them,
I know. Like, you should have seen my old Dad when he got stuck on
the subway after the doors closed at the line's beginning! Can you
say deer in the headlights?
And Chris, there are only you know, nuts here in Berkeley who are
really devoted to reducing their carbon footprint who take the bus
exclusively. 4/12/2013, christopher nusbaum wrote:
>Amen, Sophie! You could rely on a friend, family member, or other
>hired driver for your transportation, but this doesn't always work
>because you need to juggle their schedule with yours. Carly, how many
>sighted people have you known to rely solely on public transportation
>in your area? Granted, many people in NYC don't have cars. But this is
>due to the layout of the city, which makes it more efficient to use
>public transportation. In most cities, however, many people still use
>cars to travel in the city, despite the reliability of the transit
>system. This is definitely true in Baltimore and even in Washington,
>DC.
>
>Chris Nusbaum
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Apr 12, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Carly, with all due respect, I strongly disagree with you. Having
> to rely on public transportation severely limits us. If you want super 
> reliable PT, you have to live in a big city. I've been experimenting with 
> the PT in my hometown, and it isn't always on time. I do not want to live 
> in a big city--I'm more of a small town kind of girl.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students mailing 
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:32:30 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >
> > Hi, List,
> >
> > On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted folk seem
> > to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their fellow
> > man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not having that crap
> > to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about chances of ever
> > affording such a car. And, I don't care about the principles personal
> > cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you that a bus, train, or
> > friend/driver cannot?
> > Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be
> > a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
> > So no, on the car!
> > Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
> > I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major
> > milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
> > sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us
> > to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
> > computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will
> > never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing
> > them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >
> > Hello,
> > The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is already going
> > mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing
> wrong with
> > backing both cars.
> > The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own control 
> > or a
> > computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen
> reader to read
> > a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is very
> > important. The difference is the Google car is going mainstream and will
> > have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went mainstreem 
> > and
> > companies like Google started making units that used Jaws and no screen.
> > Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for most common
> > tasks.
> > If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very little 
> > or
> > no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long driveway or 
> > country
> > road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be 
> > completely
> > entered into the database.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sophie Trist
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >
> > Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
> > self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince
> > them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
> > superior.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >
> > Hello,
> > Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken
> > into account
> > I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out, but
> > if the
> > government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
> > I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they
> > could even
> > ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take
> > the
> > challenge.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Justin Young
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >
> > So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
> > individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very
> > interesting
> > project.
> >
> > On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
> > after
> > the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
> > nation's
> > first autonomous vehicle license.
> >
> > The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways,
> > in
> > Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip,
> > the
> > Nevada DMV said in a statement.
> >
> > The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for
> > the
> > state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law
> > went
> > into effect on March 1, 2012.
> >
> > Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
> > lasers,
> > and a database of information collected from manually driven
> > cars to
> > help navigate, according to the company.
> >
> > The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
> > experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
> > professor and
> > Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
> >
> > Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge
> > and
> > driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to
> > the
> > company.
> >
> > Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
> > director
> > Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
> > eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of
> > the
> > public, the DMV said.
> >
> > Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in
> > other
> > states, including Google's home state of California.
> >
> > "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
> > Through
> > the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
> > vehicle
> > is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
> > operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator
> > Alex
> > Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous
> > car
> > legislation.
> >
> > Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
> > Nevada,
> > the DMV said.
> >
> >
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