[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
Sam Nelson
samnelson1 at verizon.net
Sun Apr 14 17:40:18 UTC 2013
Hi Everyone,
Carley, I can see you're very angry about this, and I think you've made
your point. I don't have anything against you for not wanting one of these
cars, feeling like it would be self-serving for you to buy one, or feeling
like you couldn't ever afford one. And being fine with other forms of
transportation.
I truly mean this. I wonder why you express so much sarcasim and anger
towards others, and say things in the spirit that you do? I think it's fine
to express an opinion, but being sarcastic and mean to others, or making
them feel like their views/choices are not ok is not the way to go about
it.
Just a thought you can take it or leave it. I just noticed how angry you
are and am curious about why.
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 12:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
Hi, Sophie,
If your intentions are to protect your own interests such as the time
you must devote to moving about or the actual doing, then of
course, a GOOGLEmobile is for you. Obviously and this goes without saying,
It's obvious, for those who care little for the many opsticles this
GOOGLEmobile presents, and don't forget there are many, Go right ahead, all!
Have a special day! of At 08:08 AM 4/14/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
>hat you call being self-serving and frivolous, I call being
>independent. I want to match "Ol' sighty" in his capacity to get around
>quickly and conveniently. And yes, public transit works, but not well.
>I know a friend who uses it to get to school, and it takes him two
>hours. He does that twice a day, so overall, it takes him 4 hours to
>get to and from school. In a car, it would take him, like,
>20 minutes. Why would anyone want to make their lives harder when
>there's a more convenient option? We live in the richest, greatest
>country in the world. Why not take advantage of that? I, for one, could
>buy a car with a totally clear conscience.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students mailing
>list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 06:51:15 -0700
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
>Good moring,
>Ol' Sighty does a lot of weird shit, so I don't think you oughtta
>airmark any riches you are able to save, toward such a self serving
>project as a car, when the People's transit already serves your needs
>just fine.
>Yet, if you insiste on matching ol' Sighty in his capacity to be
>frivolous, and self serving, then have fun!
>Carlycarlymih at comcast.net
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 01:01:45 -0700
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
>Evening, Josh,
>
>Yes, I tend to regard a question of blind people devoting such a
>substantial portion of their riches to such a lofty and arguably
>realistic venture as a friggen car, as a completely self serving way to
>bleed one's coffers unnecessarily, with a healthy trepidation...
>As if such an Over-the-top stroking of one's ego actually matters
>within a big picture? After all, people are suffering, even dying in
>our world quite unnecessarily. war and oppression of our brothers and
>sisters continues being initiated, and propagated, as the unfeeling
>wheels of Capitalism, and policies designed to oppress us grind on,
>unabated.
>And people's soul focus seems to be a Reinventing of the wheel?
>Have a good day!
>Carly
>
>Hello,
>Google is supportive of having blind drivers, they have come to events
>and shown blind folks the car. I've sat in quite a few, although I've
>never been in one while it has been driven. I'd think it will be
>exactly like being a passenger of a sighted driver, but without the
>crazy breakings every few minutes and the heart attacks the sighted
>drivers constantly face.
>Frankly, I would trust the Google Car way more than I would trust my
>mom as the driver. Computers are much more reliable than humans in my
>opinion.
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon Keith Biggs
>-----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum
>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:03 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
>As it stands, he's going to need a sighted driver in the car who can
>take the wheel when the need arises. But Google will have to fix this
>if they're hoping for a blind person to drive it independently.
>
>Chris Nusbaum
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
> Hi, Chris, Kirt and everyone else on this thread,
>
>You guys are right in saying that, one need not pass judgement without
>fully experiencing this machine in Wonderland. it's true we don't have
>all the information. And, I think it's right when you say the thing
>doesn't murge onto the freeway. What happens to the driving blink if he
>dares to usese se the interstate? usese the freeway? 4/12/2013,
>christopher nusbaum
>wrote:
>
>Kirt,
>
>I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, we
>must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that all
>Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than prototypes.
>This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over by
>human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which someone
>reposted here mentioned.
>
>Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people don't live
>in areas where public transportation is easily available, such as
>Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural town in
>Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are
>paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of these
>options are preferable Because of the cost if not the reliability. For
>this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car might
>give me in this area.
>
>Just my thoughts,
>
>Chris Nusbaum
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>Patrick,
> If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it. I hope you're right;
>we'll have to wait and see. I guess my only point was that this thing
>isn't right around the corner; while it's realisticly viable now, it's
>still probably a long ways off before we'll be able to drive. Where
>the google car is now is probably comparable to where the internet was
>thirty or so years ago; people could see the possibilities, it was
>realistic and people "in the know"
>were probably
>aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to go before it was
>viable to the general public.
> And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't have
>to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and landing.
>Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very close attention
>in the event something goes wrong.
> Carley,
> I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable about
>driving. In most places it is probably more efficient than public
>transport. Of course there are exceptions; New York city comes to
>mind, for instance. Still, living where I do now, I would totally jump
>on the chance to drive if I could and it were realistic and safe, at
>least most of the time. That being said, it's far enough away that I'm
>definitely not going to stop riding my busses and trains any time soon.
> Best,
>Kirt
>
>On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>Count me in. I'm driving. No wait; not driving, drivin.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org<nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>]
>On Behalf Of Carly
>Mihalakis
>Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
>Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
>Hi, List,
>
>On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted folk seem
>to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their fellow man,
>as they drive. I have always been grateful not having that crap to
>contend with. Besides, I am not confident about chances of ever
>affording such a car. And, I don't care about the principles personal
>cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you that a bus, train, or
>friend/driver cannot?
> Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be a
>communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
>So no, on the car!
>Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
>I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major
>milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
>sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us to
>drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was computer-controlled. Even
>my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will never trust a self-propelled
>car. Our trouble will be convincing them that it's safe for us and for
>others on the road.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
>Hello,
>The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is already
>going mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing
>wrong with backing both cars.
>The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own control
>or a computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen
>reader to read a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen
>reader is very important. The difference is the Google car is going
>mainstream and will have mainstreem support. It would be the same if
>Jaws went mainstreem >>> and companies like Google started making units
>that used Jaws and no screen.
>Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for most common
>tasks.
>If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very
>little or no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long
>driveway or country road, one would need to manually drive it till the
>road could be completely entered into the database.
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon Keith Biggs
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sophie Trist
>Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
>Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
>self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince them
>to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is superior.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
>Hello,
>Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken into
>account I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out,
>but if the government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
>I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they could
>even ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take
>the challenge.
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon Keith Biggs
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Justin Young
>Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
>So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
>individuals to purchase in Nevada? Sounds like a very interesting
>project.
>
>On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
>Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads after
>the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
>nation's first autonomous vehicle license.
>
>The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways, in
>Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip, the
>Nevada DMV said in a statement.
>
>The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for the
>state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law went
>into effect on March 1, 2012.
>
>Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors, lasers,
>and a database of information collected from manually driven cars to
>help navigate, according to the company.
>
>The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
>experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford professor
>and Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
>
>Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge and
>driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to the
>company.
>
>Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV director
>Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
>eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of the
>public, the DMV said.
>
>Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in other
>states, including Google's home state of California.
>
>"The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
>Through
>the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous vehicle
>is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
>operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator Alex
>Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous car
>legislation.
>
>Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
>Nevada, the DMV said.
>
>
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