[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Sun Apr 14 18:42:28 UTC 2013

Public transit serves our need just fine? Really? First of all I don't want
to settle for just fine! Apparently you have not really tried to go to many
places!!! Because I have lived in major cities San Diego, North Chicago
suburb and Phoenix and they are plenty of places the the bus does not even
go near not to mention I don't want to take 3 hours to get somewhere. I
want a life that is not 5, 6,7 hours a day a a freaking bus!! I have zero
desire to ever live in the actual down town of a city.

I have had to take en entire day off from work to go to a 15 min doctor
appointment because of how long it took on the bus and it was a 25 min car
drive.

I have ridden the bus for 47 years and I am tired of it! I still hate it.

How about grocery shopping? I don't want to be limited to what I can carry
walking to the bus stop and then walking form the stop to my house.

I want to be free to go where I when when I want and for how long I want
and ALONE if I want

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>wrote:

> Good moring,
> Ol' Sighty does  a lot of weird shit, so  I don't think you oughtta
> airmark any riches you are able to save, toward such a self serving project
> as a car, when the People's transit already serves your needs just fine.
> Yet, if you insiste on matching ol' Sighty in his capacity to be
> frivolous, and self serving, then have fun!
> Carlycarlymih at comcast.net
>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 01:01:45 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>
>> Evening, Josh,
>>
>> Yes, I tend to regard a question of blind people devoting such a
>> substantial portion of their riches to such a lofty and  arguably
>> realistic venture as a friggen car, as a completely self serving way
>> to bleed one's coffers unnecessarily, with a healthy
>> trepidation...
>> As if such an Over-the-top stroking of one's ego actually matters
>> within a big picture?  After all, people are suffering, even
>> dying
>> in our world quite unnecessarily. war and oppression of our brothers
>> and sisters continues being initiated, and propagated, as the
>> unfeeling wheels of Capitalism, and policies designed  to oppress us
>> grind on, unabated.
>> And people's soul focus seems to be a Reinventing of the wheel?
>> Have a good day!
>> Carly
>>
>> Hello,
>> Google is supportive of having blind drivers, they have come
>> to events and
>> shown blind folks the car. I've sat in quite a few, although I've never
>> been in one while it has been driven. I'd think it will be exactly like
>> being a passenger of a sighted driver, but without the crazy breakings
>> every few minutes and the heart attacks the sighted drivers
>> constantly face.
>> Frankly, I would trust the Google Car way more than I would trust my mom
>> as the driver. Computers are much more reliable than humans in
>> my opinion.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> -----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum
>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:03 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>
>> As it stands, he's going to need a sighted driver in the car who can
>> take the wheel when the need arises. But Google will have to fix this
>> if they're hoping for a blind person to drive it independently.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Carly Mihalakis
>> <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi, Chris, Kirt and everyone else on this thread,
>>
>> You guys are right in saying that, one need not pass judgement without
>> fully experiencing this machine in Wonderland. it's true we
>> don't have all
>> the information. And, I think it's right when you say the thing doesn't
>> murge onto the freeway. What happens to the driving blink if
>> he dares to
>> usese se the interstate? usese the freeway? 4/12/2013,
>> christopher nusbaum
>> wrote:
>>
>> Kirt,
>>
>> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, we
>> must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that
>> all
>> Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than prototypes.
>> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over by
>> human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which someone
>> reposted here mentioned.
>>
>> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people don't
>> live in areas where public transportation is easily available, such as
>> Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural town in
>> Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are
>> paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of these
>> options are preferable Because of the cost if not the reliability. For
>> this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car might
>> give me in this area.
>>
>> Just my thoughts,
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>>  If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're
>> right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was that
>> this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's realisticly
>> viable now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be able
>> to drive.  Where the google car is now is probably
>> comparable to where
>> the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see the
>> possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know"
>> were probably
>> aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to go
>> before it was
>> viable to the general public.
>>  And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't have
>> to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and landing.
>> Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very
>> close attention
>> in the event something goes wrong.
>>  Carley,
>>  I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable about
>> driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than public
>> transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city comes to
>> mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would totally
>> jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were
>> realistic and safe,
>> at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far
>> enough away that
>> I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and
>> trains any time
>> soon.
>>  Best,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org<nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org<nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>> >]
>> On Behalf Of Carly
>> Mihalakis
>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
>> Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>
>> Hi, List,
>>
>> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched
>> sighted folk seem
>> to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their fellow
>> man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not
>> having that crap
>> to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about chances of ever
>> affording such a car. And, I don't care about the
>> principles personal
>> cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you that a
>> bus, train, or
>> friend/driver cannot?
>>  Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be
>> a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
>> So no, on the car!
>> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
>> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major
>> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
>> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us
>> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
>> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will
>> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing
>> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>
>> Hello,
>> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is already
>> going
>> mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing
>> wrong
>> with
>> backing both cars.
>> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own
>> control or
>> a
>> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a
>> screen reader
>> to
>> read
>> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is very
>> important. The difference is the Google car is going
>> mainstream and
>> will
>> have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went
>> mainstreem >>> and
>> companies like Google started making units that used
>> Jaws and no
>> screen.
>> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary
>> for most
>> common
>> tasks.
>> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very
>> little
>> or
>> no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long driveway or
>> country
>> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be
>> completely
>> entered into the database.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sophie Trist
>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>
>> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
>> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince
>> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
>> superior.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>
>> Hello,
>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken
>> into account
>> I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out, but
>> if the
>> government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they
>> could even
>> ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take
>> the
>> challenge.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Justin Young
>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>
>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very
>> interesting
>> project.
>>
>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
>> after
>> the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
>> nation's
>> first autonomous vehicle license.
>>
>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways,
>> in
>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip,
>> the
>> Nevada DMV said in a statement.
>>
>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for
>> the
>> state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law
>> went
>> into effect on March 1, 2012.
>>
>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
>> lasers,
>> and a database of information collected from manually driven
>> cars to
>> help navigate, according to the company.
>>
>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
>> professor and
>> Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
>>
>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge
>> and
>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to
>> the
>> company.
>>
>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
>> director
>> Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
>> eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of
>> the
>> public, the DMV said.
>>
>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in
>> other
>> states, including Google's home state of California.
>>
>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
>> Through
>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
>> vehicle
>> is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
>> operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator
>> Alex
>> Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous
>> car
>> legislation.
>>
>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
>> Nevada,
>> the DMV said.
>>
>>
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