[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Sun Apr 14 18:48:05 UTC 2013

I am not even sure what you are trying to say here.

One yes I plan to be one of those gainfully employed. I have been in the
past and starting salary for software engineers is close to $90,000 When I
was a junior programmer 12 years ago I was making $50,000. I also live with
my fiance and so we have two incomes.

I plan my life for what I can do and what success I can have.

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>wrote:

> Good morning, Suzanne,
>
> The blink having access to such financial resources to be able to acquire
> one of these so-called cars, you must admit are not many since, blind folk
> who are in fact so gainfully employed, are by far the exception, not the
> rule. Maybe, for you to talk in tones of such enthusiasm, you must be one
> of these blind folks?At 01:30 PM 4/13/2013, Suzanne Germano wrote:
>
>> I was reply to this
>>
>> "So you're saying you see your blind ass eventually  having enough dough
>> for one of these things?"
>>
>> So yes that to me implies the "your blind ass" can't afford it not that
>> everyone can't afford it.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Hi, Suzanne,
>> >
>> > I didn't even bring up blindness and how it relates to income
>> disparity.At
>> > 10:00 AM 4/13/2013, Suzanne Germano wrote:
>> >
>> >> Exactly I am busting my "blind ass" in school so I can make a good
>> income
>> >> and comparable to sighted people. It was insulting to imply that we as
>> >> blind individuals cannot make a good living.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Mauricio Almeida <
>> >> mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > AMEN.
>> >> > It is purely and solely hat i believe regarding such an under
>> elaborated
>> >> > rational.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mauricio
>> >> > On Apr 12, 2013, at 5:41 PM, blackbyrdfly at gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > This email implies that someone's "blind ass" can't earn a
>> substantial
>> >> > living comparable to that of a sighted person. I find this statement
>> >> > offensive, blatantly false, and inappropriate for a mailing list
>> >> composed
>> >> > of blind students who are all, I hope, in school pursuing gainful
>> >> careers.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Sent from my iPhone
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Carly Mihalakis <
>> carlymih at comcast.net>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Good morning, Suzanne,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> So you're saying you see your blind ass eventually  having enough
>> >> dough
>> >> > for one of these things? At least we can take the bus, no matter how
>> >> long
>> >> > it often takes to get somewhere. Car 07:08 AM 4/11/2013, justin
>> williams
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >>> No not even good.  Cabs are two expensive, and you have to
>> measure
>> >> bus
>> >> > v.
>> >> > >>> paratransit, or move everywhere when you change jobs.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> > >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org<
>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>>]
>> >> On Behalf Of Suzanne
>> >> > Germano
>> >> > >>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:54 AM
>> >> > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> I would drive one of these in a heartbeat. I hate the bus! I am
>> 49
>> >> and
>> >> > have
>> >> > >>> been ridng the bus since I was 12. I am frustrated it takes me 2
>> or
>> >> > more
>> >> > >>> hours to get somewhere that takes 20-30 minutes by car. And this
>> has
>> >> > been
>> >> > >>> both in San Diego and Phoenix with buses running every 20-30
>> >> minutes I
>> >> > >>> almost always end up with 2 hour trips each way.  It is
>> frustrating
>> >> to
>> >> > only
>> >> > >>> be able to apply to a company who is on a bus route. I want the
>> >> > freedom to
>> >> > >>> work where I would enjoy myself the most and with the position
>> that
>> >> > matches
>> >> > >>> my skill best. I also live in Phoenix (for now) and by the time I
>> >> get
>> >> > >>> anywhere I am dripping in sweat. that is not good when going to
>> >> work.
>> >> > Give
>> >> > >>> me a Google car!!
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:09 AM, christopher nusbaum <
>> >> > >>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>> Kirt,
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google
>> car,
>> >> we
>> >> > >>>> must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that
>>  all
>> >> > >>>> Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than
>> >> prototypes.
>> >> > >>>> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken
>> over
>> >> by
>> >> > >>>> human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which
>> >> someone
>> >> > >>>> reposted here mentioned.
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people
>> don't
>> >> > >>>> live in areas where public transportation is easily available,
>> >> such as
>> >> > >>>> Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural
>> >> town in
>> >> > >>>> Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are
>> >> > >>>> paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of
>> these
>> >> > >>>> options are preferable Because of the cost if not the
>> reliability.
>> >> For
>> >> > >>>> this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car
>> >> might
>> >> > >>>> give me in this area.
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> Just my thoughts,
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> Chris Nusbaum
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <
>> >> kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>>> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>>> Patrick,
>> >> > >>>>> If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're
>> >> > >>>>> right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was
>> that
>> >> > >>>>> this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's
>> realisticly
>> >> > >>>>> viable now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be
>> >> able
>> >> > >>>>> to drive.  Where the google car is now is probably comparable
>> to
>> >> > >>>>> where the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see
>> >> the
>> >> > >>>>> possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know" were
>> >> > >>>>> probably aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to
>> go
>> >> > >>>>> before it was viable to the general public.
>> >> > >>>>> And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't
>> >> have
>> >> > >>>>> to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and
>> >> landing.
>> >> > >>>>> Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very close
>> >> > >>>>> attention in the event something goes wrong.
>> >> > >>>>> Carley,
>> >> > >>>>> I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable
>> about
>> >> > >>>>> driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than
>> public
>> >> > >>>>> transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city
>> comes to
>> >> > >>>>> mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would
>> totally
>> >> > >>>>> jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were realistic
>> and
>> >> > >>>>> safe, at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far
>> enough
>> >> > >>>>> away that I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and
>> >> > >>>>> trains any time soon.
>> >> > >>>>> Best,
>> >> > >>>>> Kirt
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> > >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org<
>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>>]
>> >> On Behalf Of Carly
>> >> > >>>>>> Mihalakis
>> >> > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
>> >> > >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list;
>> National
>> >> > >>>>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> Hi, List,
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted
>> folk
>> >> > >>>>>> seem to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd
>> their
>> >> > >>>>>> fellow man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not
>> having
>> >> > >>>>>> that crap to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about
>> >> > >>>>>> chances of ever affording such a car. And, I don't care about
>> the
>> >> > >>>>>> principles personal cars supposedly afford. Where can they
>> take
>> >> you
>> >> > >>>>>> that a bus, train, or friend/driver cannot?
>> >> > >>>>>> Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B,
>> oughta
>> >> be
>> >> > >>>>>> a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
>> >> > >>>>>> So no, on the car!
>> >> > >>>>>> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a
>> >> major
>> >> > >>>>>>> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind
>> people
>> >> in
>> >> > >>>>>>> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't
>> trust
>> >> us
>> >> > >>>>>>> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
>> >> > >>>>>>> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he
>> >> will
>> >> > >>>>>>> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be
>> convincing
>> >> > >>>>>>> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > >>>>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> >> > >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> > >>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> > >>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
>> >> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> Hello,
>> >> > >>>>>>> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is
>> >> already
>> >> > >>>> going
>> >> > >>>>>>> mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is
>> >> nothing
>> >> > >>>>>>> wrong
>> >> > >>>>>> with
>> >> > >>>>>>> backing both cars.
>> >> > >>>>>>> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their
>> own
>> >> > >>>>>>> control
>> >> > >>>> or
>> >> > >>>>>>> a
>> >> > >>>>>>> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen
>> >> > >>>>>>> reader to
>> >> > >>>>>> read
>> >> > >>>>>>> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is
>> >> very
>> >> > >>>>>>> important. The difference is the Google car is going
>> mainstream
>> >> > >>>>>>> and
>> >> > >>>> will
>> >> > >>>>>>> have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went
>> >> > >>>>>>> mainstreem
>> >> > >>>> and
>> >> > >>>>>>> companies like Google started making units that used Jaws
>> and no
>> >> > >>>> screen.
>> >> > >>>>>>> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for
>> most
>> >> > >>>>>>> common tasks.
>> >> > >>>>>>> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be
>> >> very
>> >> > >>>> little
>> >> > >>>>>>> or
>> >> > >>>>>>> no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long
>> driveway
>> >> or
>> >> > >>>> country
>> >> > >>>>>>> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road
>> could be
>> >> > >>>>>>> completely entered into the database.
>> >> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> >> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> > >>>>>>> From: Sophie Trist
>> >> > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
>> >> > >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB
>> invent
>> >> a
>> >> > >>>>>>> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to
>> convince
>> >> > >>>>>>> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
>> >> > >>>>>>> superior.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > >>>>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> >> > >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> > >>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> > >>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
>> >> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> Hello,
>> >> > >>>>>>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be
>> taken
>> >> > >>>>>>> into account I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to
>> be
>> >> > >>>>>>> worked out, but if the government officials are pushed, it
>> will
>> >> > >>>>>>> happen very soon.
>> >> > >>>>>>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps
>> they
>> >> > >>>>>>> could even ask that a car come to the convention, I think
>> Google
>> >> > >>>>>>> would take the challenge.
>> >> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> >> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> > >>>>>>> From: Justin Young
>> >> > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
>> >> > >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market
>> for
>> >> > >>>>>>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very
>> >> interesting
>> >> > >>>>>>> project.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada
>> roads
>> >> > >>>>>>> after the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on
>> >> Monday
>> >> > >>>>>>> the nation's first autonomous vehicle license.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on
>> highways,
>> >> in
>> >> > >>>>>>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas
>> Strip,
>> >> > >>>>>>> the Nevada DMV said in a statement.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars
>> for
>> >> > >>>>>>> the state's roads, the first such law in the United States.
>> That
>> >> > >>>>>>> law went into effect on March 1, 2012.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar
>> sensors,
>> >> > >>>>>>> lasers, and a database of information collected from manually
>> >> > >>>>>>> driven cars to help navigate, according to the company.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
>> >> > >>>>>>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
>> >> > >>>>>>> professor and Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate
>> Bridge
>> >> and
>> >> > >>>>>>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway,
>> according to
>> >> > >>>>>>> the company.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
>> >> > >>>>>>> director Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also
>> has
>> >> > >>>>>>> plans to eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the
>> >> > >>>>>>> members of the public, the DMV said.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered
>> in
>> >> > >>>>>>> other states, including Google's home state of California.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human
>> error.
>> >> > >>>>>>> Through
>> >> > >>>>>>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an
>> autonomous
>> >> > >>>>>>> vehicle is capable of analyzing the driving environment more
>> >> > >>>>>>> quickly and operating the vehicle more safely," California
>> state
>> >> > >>>>>>> Senator Alex Padilla said in March when he introduced that
>> >> state's
>> >> > >>>>>>> autonomous car legislation.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car
>> licenses in
>> >> > >>>>>>> Nevada, the DMV said.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>
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