[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Sun Apr 14 18:50:05 UTC 2013

This is my situation right now but close to 2.5 hours each way to school
for a 25 min car ride and yes when ever my fiance is not a business he pick
me up because eh thinks it's stupid for me to waste all that time on the
bus. I do take it in the morning. I take one of the two buses he drops me
off at the stop 2 miles form our house it save me 40 minutes.

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>wrote:

> What you call being self-serving and frivolous, I call being independent.
> I want to match "Ol' sighty" in his capacity to get around quickly and
> conveniently. And yes, public transit works, but not well. I know a friend
> who uses it to get to school, and it takes him two hours. He does that
> twice a day, so overall, it takes him 4 hours to get to and from school. In
> a car, it would take him, like, 20 minutes. Why would anyone want to make
> their lives harder when there's a more convenient option? We live in the
> richest, greatest country in the world. Why not take advantage of that? I,
> for one, could buy a car with a totally clear conscience.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 06:51:15 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> Good moring,
> Ol' Sighty does  a lot of weird shit, so  I don't think you oughtta
> airmark any riches you are able to save, toward such a self serving
> project as a car, when the People's transit already serves your needs
> just fine.
> Yet, if you insiste on matching ol' Sighty in his capacity to be
> frivolous, and self serving, then have fun!
> Carlycarlymih at comcast.net
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 01:01:45 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> Evening, Josh,
>
> Yes, I tend to regard a question of blind people devoting such a
> substantial portion of their riches to such a lofty and  arguably
> realistic venture as a friggen car, as a completely self serving way
> to bleed one's coffers unnecessarily, with a healthy
> trepidation...
> As if such an Over-the-top stroking of one's ego actually matters
> within a big picture?  After all, people are suffering, even
> dying
> in our world quite unnecessarily. war and oppression of our brothers
> and sisters continues being initiated, and propagated, as the
> unfeeling wheels of Capitalism, and policies designed  to oppress us
> grind on, unabated.
> And people's soul focus seems to be a Reinventing of the wheel?
> Have a good day!
> Carly
>
> Hello,
> Google is supportive of having blind drivers, they have come
> to events and
> shown blind folks the car. I've sat in quite a few, although I've never
> been in one while it has been driven. I'd think it will be exactly like
> being a passenger of a sighted driver, but without the crazy breakings
> every few minutes and the heart attacks the sighted drivers
> constantly face.
> Frankly, I would trust the Google Car way more than I would trust my mom
> as the driver. Computers are much more reliable than humans in
> my opinion.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:03 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> As it stands, he's going to need a sighted driver in the car who can
> take the wheel when the need arises. But Google will have to fix this
> if they're hoping for a blind person to drive it independently.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Carly Mihalakis
> <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>  Hi, Chris, Kirt and everyone else on this thread,
>
> You guys are right in saying that, one need not pass judgement without
> fully experiencing this machine in Wonderland. it's true we
> don't have all
> the information. And, I think it's right when you say the thing doesn't
> murge onto the freeway. What happens to the driving blink if
> he dares to
> usese se the interstate? usese the freeway? 4/12/2013,
> christopher nusbaum
> wrote:
>
> Kirt,
>
> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, we
> must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that
> all
> Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than prototypes.
> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over by
> human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which someone
> reposted here mentioned.
>
> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people don't
> live in areas where public transportation is easily available, such as
> Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural town in
> Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are
> paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of these
> options are preferable Because of the cost if not the reliability. For
> this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car might
> give me in this area.
>
> Just my thoughts,
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Patrick,
>  If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're
> right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was that
> this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's realisticly
> viable now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be able
> to drive.  Where the google car is now is probably
> comparable to where
> the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see the
> possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know"
> were probably
> aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to go
> before it was
> viable to the general public.
>  And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't have
> to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and landing.
> Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very
> close attention
> in the event something goes wrong.
>  Carley,
>  I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable about
> driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than public
> transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city comes to
> mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would totally
> jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were
> realistic and safe,
> at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far
> enough away that
> I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and
> trains any time
> soon.
>  Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Carly
> Mihalakis
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> Hi, List,
>
> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched
> sighted folk seem
> to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their fellow
> man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not
> having that crap
> to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about chances of ever
> affording such a car. And, I don't care about the
> principles personal
> cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you that a
> bus, train, or
> friend/driver cannot?
>  Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be
> a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
> So no, on the car!
> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major
> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us
> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will
> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing
> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> Hello,
> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is already
> going
> mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing
> wrong
> with
> backing both cars.
> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own
> control or
> a
> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a
> screen reader
> to
> read
> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is very
> important. The difference is the Google car is going
> mainstream and
> will
> have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went
> mainstreem >>> and
> companies like Google started making units that used
> Jaws and no
> screen.
> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary
> for most
> common
> tasks.
> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very
> little
> or
> no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long driveway or
> country
> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be
> completely
> entered into the database.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sophie Trist
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince
> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
> superior.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> Hello,
> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken
> into account
> I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out, but
> if the
> government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they
> could even
> ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take
> the
> challenge.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Young
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very
> interesting
> project.
>
> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
> after
> the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
> nation's
> first autonomous vehicle license.
>
> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways,
> in
> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip,
> the
> Nevada DMV said in a statement.
>
> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for
> the
> state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law
> went
> into effect on March 1, 2012.
>
> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
> lasers,
> and a database of information collected from manually driven
> cars to
> help navigate, according to the company.
>
> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
> professor and
> Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
>
> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge
> and
> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to
> the
> company.
>
> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
> director
> Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
> eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of
> the
> public, the DMV said.
>
> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in
> other
> states, including Google's home state of California.
>
> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
> Through
> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
> vehicle
> is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
> operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator
> Alex
> Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous
> car
> legislation.
>
> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
> Nevada,
> the DMV said.
>
>
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