[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Sun Apr 14 19:48:06 UTC 2013

It's like a self-fulfilling prophesy. If you don't WANT to be
employed, you'll make excuses why you can't get a job. I, myself,
intend to be a lawyer and will most definitely be in line for one of
these cars as soon as they're on the market and as soon as I can
afford it.
Patrick

On 4/14/13, blackbyrdfly at gmail.com <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here here, Suzanne! Gainful employment is something you have to want in
> order to have and there's no reason any blind person who wants it and works
> for it can't have it. I, myself, am pursuing robotics engineering while
> learning to program on the side. You can bet your life ill be in line to buy
> a car by the time one is available for me.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 14, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
>
>> I am not even sure what you are trying to say here.
>>
>> One yes I plan to be one of those gainfully employed. I have been in the
>> past and starting salary for software engineers is close to $90,000 When
>> I
>> was a junior programmer 12 years ago I was making $50,000. I also live
>> with
>> my fiance and so we have two incomes.
>>
>> I plan my life for what I can do and what success I can have.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Carly Mihalakis
>> <carlymih at comcast.net>wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning, Suzanne,
>>>
>>> The blink having access to such financial resources to be able to
>>> acquire
>>> one of these so-called cars, you must admit are not many since, blind
>>> folk
>>> who are in fact so gainfully employed, are by far the exception, not the
>>> rule. Maybe, for you to talk in tones of such enthusiasm, you must be
>>> one
>>> of these blind folks?At 01:30 PM 4/13/2013, Suzanne Germano wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was reply to this
>>>>
>>>> "So you're saying you see your blind ass eventually  having enough
>>>> dough
>>>> for one of these things?"
>>>>
>>>> So yes that to me implies the "your blind ass" can't afford it not that
>>>> everyone can't afford it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Suzanne,
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't even bring up blindness and how it relates to income
>>>> disparity.At
>>>>> 10:00 AM 4/13/2013, Suzanne Germano wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly I am busting my "blind ass" in school so I can make a good
>>>> income
>>>>>> and comparable to sighted people. It was insulting to imply that we
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> blind individuals cannot make a good living.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Mauricio Almeida <
>>>>>> mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AMEN.
>>>>>>> It is purely and solely hat i believe regarding such an under
>>>> elaborated
>>>>>>> rational.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mauricio
>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 5:41 PM, blackbyrdfly at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This email implies that someone's "blind ass" can't earn a
>>>> substantial
>>>>>>> living comparable to that of a sighted person. I find this statement
>>>>>>> offensive, blatantly false, and inappropriate for a mailing list
>>>>>> composed
>>>>>>> of blind students who are all, I hope, in school pursuing gainful
>>>>>> careers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Carly Mihalakis <
>>>> carlymih at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good morning, Suzanne,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you're saying you see your blind ass eventually  having enough
>>>>>> dough
>>>>>>> for one of these things? At least we can take the bus, no matter how
>>>>>> long
>>>>>>> it often takes to get somewhere. Car 07:08 AM 4/11/2013, justin
>>>> williams
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> No not even good.  Cabs are two expensive, and you have to
>>>> measure
>>>>>> bus
>>>>>>> v.
>>>>>>>>>> paratransit, or move everywhere when you change jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org<
>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>>]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Suzanne
>>>>>>> Germano
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:54 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would drive one of these in a heartbeat. I hate the bus! I am
>>>> 49
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> been ridng the bus since I was 12. I am frustrated it takes me 2
>>>> or
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>> hours to get somewhere that takes 20-30 minutes by car. And this
>>>> has
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>> both in San Diego and Phoenix with buses running every 20-30
>>>>>> minutes I
>>>>>>>>>> almost always end up with 2 hour trips each way.  It is
>>>> frustrating
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> be able to apply to a company who is on a bus route. I want the
>>>>>>> freedom to
>>>>>>>>>> work where I would enjoy myself the most and with the position
>>>> that
>>>>>>> matches
>>>>>>>>>> my skill best. I also live in Phoenix (for now) and by the time I
>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> anywhere I am dripping in sweat. that is not good when going to
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>> Give
>>>>>>>>>> me a Google car!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:09 AM, christopher nusbaum <
>>>>>>>>>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kirt,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google
>>>> car,
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that
>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than
>>>>>> prototypes.
>>>>>>>>>>> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken
>>>> over
>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>> reposted here mentioned.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people
>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> live in areas where public transportation is easily available,
>>>>>> such as
>>>>>>>>>>> Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural
>>>>>> town in
>>>>>>>>>>> Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are
>>>>>>>>>>> paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of
>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>> options are preferable Because of the cost if not the
>>>> reliability.
>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>> this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car
>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>> give me in this area.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <
>>>>>> kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're
>>>>>>>>>>>> right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's
>>>> realisticly
>>>>>>>>>>>> viable now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be
>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>> to drive.  Where the google car is now is probably comparable
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> where the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know" were
>>>>>>>>>>>> probably aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to
>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>> before it was viable to the general public.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and
>>>>>> landing.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very close
>>>>>>>>>>>> attention in the event something goes wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carley,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable
>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than
>>>> public
>>>>>>>>>>>> transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city
>>>> comes to
>>>>>>>>>>>> mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would
>>>> totally
>>>>>>>>>>>> jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were realistic
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> safe, at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far
>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>>> away that I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and
>>>>>>>>>>>> trains any time soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.****org<
>>>> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>>]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Carly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mihalakis
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list;
>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, List,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted
>>>> folk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd
>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not
>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that crap to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chances of ever affording such a car. And, I don't care about
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> principles personal cars supposedly afford. Where can they
>>>> take
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a bus, train, or friend/driver cannot?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B,
>>>> oughta
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So no, on the car!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a
>>>>>> major
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind
>>>> people
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't
>>>> trust
>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be
>>>> convincing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is
>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backing both cars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their
>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reader to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is
>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important. The difference is the Google car is going
>>>> mainstream
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mainstreem
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> companies like Google started making units that used Jaws
>>>> and no
>>>>>>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for
>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common tasks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be
>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long
>>>> driveway
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road
>>>> could be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> completely entered into the database.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Sophie Trist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB
>>>> invent
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to
>>>> convince
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be
>>>> taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into account I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to
>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked out, but if the government officials are pushed, it
>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen very soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps
>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could even ask that a car come to the convention, I think
>>>> Google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would take the challenge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Justin Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very
>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada
>>>> roads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on
>>>>>> Monday
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the nation's first autonomous vehicle license.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on
>>>> highways,
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas
>>>> Strip,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Nevada DMV said in a statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the state's roads, the first such law in the United States.
>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law went into effect on March 1, 2012.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar
>>>> sensors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lasers, and a database of information collected from manually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driven cars to help navigate, according to the company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professor and Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate
>>>> Bridge
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway,
>>>> according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> director Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also
>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plans to eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members of the public, the DMV said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other states, including Google's home state of California.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human
>>>> error.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an
>>>> autonomous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle is capable of analyzing the driving environment more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly and operating the vehicle more safely," California
>>>> state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senator Alex Padilla said in March when he introduced that
>>>>>> state's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> autonomous car legislation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car
>>>> licenses in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nevada, the DMV said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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