[nabs-l] the test accomodations

Sat Apr 27 03:27:39 UTC 2013

A d A is last resort, but if her grade slips because of bad reading, then
what is next?.  

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
Tyler
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:11 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations

of course it sounds like a possible ADA case. And this is why nothing ever
gets done. Something happens and everyone screaches "xomg ADA lets sue," and
there are people happy to sue everyone because they might've made a funny
face and that description of that funny face was not in the ADA manual.

And that was basically my point. If the professor is working with the DSS
office to figure out a way for you to take the test and they say no reader
and that's what's agreed on between them, then there won't be a reader hired
from outside. Ultimately it's up to the professor, but I'm just stating that
I can see why there would be issues hiring readers from outside to take
tests.
  On 4/27/2013 9:03 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
> No, a DSS office cannot legislate what you do outside of their office.
> If you and the professor agree that you will use a reader you hired 
> yourself, the DSS office cannot step in and veto that arrangement you 
> worked out with your professor. The DSS office only has authority if 
> you give it to them by asking to take the test in their office.
> Hiring your own readers for testing is only a problem if the professor 
> has an objection to it. Many professors are quite laid-back about 
> things like that, even if they are technically not quite in line with 
> school policy.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 4/26/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sounds like a possible ADA case if it gets to far.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley 
>> Bramlett
>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:21 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>
>> Arielle,
>> oOh, um, this is a community college. I'm finished my BA degree but 
>> taking classes to further my studies and get a writing certificate. 
>> The class I need a competent reader for is religion.
>> No a TA won't work. Also, Its community college.
>> you make it sound easy. Gee, I do wish I could get my own readers. 
>> Gosh. I can think of like 20 people who would be competent readers 
>> and have a clue how to read such a test. But no, they don't allow me to
do this.
>>
>> I do indeed have my own readers for studying and reading texts and 
>> looking up material and research, but no I cannot bring a reader to 
>> the exam. Personally, I think this is a legal
>>
>> matter and they need to change the policy so you can have the option 
>> to bring your own competent reader as an accomodation under the ADA. 
>> Its not fair, not equal access, and can cause one to get a lower 
>> grade using bad readers.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Arielle Silverman
>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:45 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>
>> You can also ask the professor if the teaching assistant can 
>> read/scribe your exam, if there is one for the class. Most teaching 
>> assistants are graduate students or advanced undergraduates in the 
>> department and should know the material well, and since they're 
>> trusted employees of the professor, they are trusted not to help you 
>> cheat. Plus, many TA's have nothing else to do during an exam and 
>> would otherwise just be sitting around. If the class has no teaching 
>> assistant, as in a community college, maybe the professor could read 
>> it for you and scribe your answers during office hours the day before 
>> the test or some such?
>> I know that blind students have hired their own readers for testing, 
>> which allows them to pick people who are competent. Some disability 
>> services offices frown on this practice because they prefer to hire 
>> and manage readers themselves, but it's an option that's at least 
>> worth discussing with your professor, who might not care much.
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 4/27/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
>>> I haven't used readers since I am a partial and use cctv but when I 
>>> had disabled students pay for a chemistry lab aid I insisted the 
>>> person was a chem major and an A student.
>>>
>>> So maybe you could find your readers through the department. And 
>>> then you interview them by having them read to you.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm in the middle of the nightmare that is transferring between 
>>>> colleges, but the college I am leaving almost always provided me 
>>>> with competent and capable readers. Sure, they might pronounce a 
>>>> few words incorrectly But they knew how to read out loud.  I hope I 
>>>> don't run into the same problem you are dealing with right now and 
>>>> my next college.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 27, 2013, at 11:21 AM, "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> As finals approach, I wanted to know what test accomodations you get.
>>>>> Do
>>>> you feel they are adaquate and meet your needs?
>>>>> If you need a reader and person to scribe your answers on a 
>>>>> scantron,
>>>> how are they? Are they competent readers?
>>>>> I'm going through a discriminatory situation now. Most my readers 
>>>>> were
>>>> incompetent but I got around that by asking them to speak slower 
>>>> and repeat things; I mean they could not speak all that clearly and 
>>>> read fast and spoke to the paper not articulately to me. Many exams 
>>>> I took with jaws to avoid this; I feel this way is slower for me 
>>>> and a reader can directly mark my answers on a scantron as well as 
>>>> go back to questions I missed. If I need a reader scribe I should 
>>>> be given a competent reader.
>>>>> I'll tell more about this specific test issue in another message.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look forward to seeing your responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
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