[nabs-l] the test accomodations

Sun Apr 28 18:40:04 UTC 2013

None except to fill in scantron. I was just making a suggestion since she
is so worried about the pronunciation.

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:22 AM, christopher nusbaum <
dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just curious: if you were to have a braille copy of the test, what is
> the point of having a reader?
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Can they provide you a Braille copy of the test so you can follow along
> > with the reader?
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Arielle Silverman <
> > Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> I really think you will be less stressed and happier if you cut out
> >> the DSS middleman, and just work with your professor. As a backup, if
> >> the prof is totally unwilling, you can go back to DSS and follow their
> >> rules. But you said the prof is helpful, so it's likely he'll be
> >> willing to work something out with you that's fair.
> >> Arielle
> >>
> >> On 4/27/13, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> What they mean is "if you take the test in our building you have to
> >>> use our readers". The DSS policies don't apply to you once you step
> >>> out of their office.
> >>> I  don't know where other blind students have taken tests with their
> >>> private readers, but I'd think you could do it in a designated testing
> >>> room in the building where the class is, or you could go to the
> >>> professor's office hours and do it there while the professor is around
> >>> to ensure you don't cheat.
> >>> If you ask the professor, they might be able to offer a reader who
> >>> works for the department, like a student worker or an assistant. I
> >>> don't know how it works in community colleges, but I know at my
> >>> university, the psych department has a huge support staff. This will
> >>> help you avoid having to pay out of pocket, though even then you might
> >>> end up sacrificing a little bit on reader quality.
> >>>
> >>> Remember: the DSS policies are binding on the DSS staff, but they're
> >>> not binding on you as the student. The only one who really has control
> >>> over how you take tests is the professor. Some professors give their
> >>> entire classes online exams. That's their right as professors to do.
> >>> If the professor trusts you enough to let you use your own reader, or
> >>> to use your laptop in class, or any of a number of other
> >>> accommodations, that's their decision to make.
> >>>
> >>> Arielle
> >>>
> >>> On 4/27/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>> Arielle,
> >>>> So you're suggesting that the professor and student which is me
> arrange
> >>>> for
> >>>>
> >>>> a private reader I hire to take the exam.
> >>>> Where would I take the exam then? I'll have to check if this violates
> >>>> school
> >>>>
> >>>> policy.
> >>>> Are you saying that you know blind students using their own readers
> for
> >>>> exams with no objection from the professor? Where would they take the
> >>>> exam
> >>>> and how does the professor ensure that you did not cheat then?
> >>>>
> >>>> Ashley
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Arielle Silverman
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:03 PM
> >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
> >>>>
> >>>> No, a DSS office cannot legislate what you do outside of their office.
> >>>> If you and the professor agree that you will use a reader you hired
> >>>> yourself, the DSS office cannot step in and veto that arrangement you
> >>>> worked out with your professor. The DSS office only has authority if
> >>>> you give it to them by asking to take the test in their office.
> >>>> Hiring your own readers for testing is only a problem if the professor
> >>>> has an objection to it. Many professors are quite laid-back about
> >>>> things like that, even if they are technically not quite in line with
> >>>> school policy.
> >>>>
> >>>> Arielle
> >>>>
> >>>> On 4/26/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Sounds like a possible ADA case if it gets to far.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
> >>>>> Bramlett
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:21 PM
> >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Arielle,
> >>>>> oOh, um, this is a community college. I'm finished my BA degree but
> >>>>> taking
> >>>>> classes to further my studies and get a writing certificate. The
> class
> >> I
> >>>>> need a competent reader for is religion.
> >>>>> No a TA won't work. Also, Its community college.
> >>>>> you make it sound easy. Gee, I do wish I could get my own readers.
> >> Gosh.
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> can think of like 20 people who would be competent readers and have a
> >>>>> clue
> >>>>> how to read such a test. But no, they don't allow me to do this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I do indeed have my own readers for studying and reading texts and
> >>>>> looking
> >>>>> up material and research, but
> >>>>> no I cannot bring a reader to the exam. Personally, I think this is a
> >>>>> legal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> matter and they need to change the policy so you can have the option
> to
> >>>>> bring your own competent reader as an accomodation under the ADA. Its
> >>>>> not
> >>>>> fair, not equal access, and can cause one to get a lower
> >>>>> grade using bad readers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ashley
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Arielle Silverman
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:45 PM
> >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can also ask the professor if the teaching assistant can
> >>>>> read/scribe your exam, if there is one for the class. Most teaching
> >>>>> assistants are graduate students or advanced undergraduates in the
> >>>>> department and should know the material well, and since they're
> >>>>> trusted employees of the professor, they are trusted not to help you
> >>>>> cheat. Plus, many TA's have nothing else to do during an exam and
> >>>>> would otherwise just be sitting around. If the class has no teaching
> >>>>> assistant, as in a community college, maybe the professor could read
> >>>>> it for you and scribe your answers during office hours the day before
> >>>>> the test or some such?
> >>>>> I know that blind students have hired their own readers for testing,
> >>>>> which allows them to pick people who are competent. Some disability
> >>>>> services offices frown on this practice because they prefer to hire
> >>>>> and manage readers themselves, but it's an option that's at least
> >>>>> worth discussing with your professor, who might not care much.
> >>>>> Arielle
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 4/27/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>> I haven't used readers since I am a partial and use cctv but when I
> >> had
> >>>>>> disabled students pay for a chemistry lab aid I insisted the person
> >> was
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> chem major and an A student.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So maybe you could find your readers through the department. And
> then
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> interview them by having them read to you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm in the middle of the nightmare that is transferring between
> >>>>>>> colleges,
> >>>>>>> but the college I am leaving almost always provided me with
> competent
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> capable readers. Sure, they might pronounce a few words incorrectly
> >>>>>>> But
> >>>>>>> they knew how to read out loud.  I hope I don't run into the same
> >>>>>>> problem
> >>>>>>> you are dealing with right now and my next college.
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2013, at 11:21 AM, "Ashley Bramlett"
> >>>>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As finals approach, I wanted to know what test accomodations you
> >>>>>>>> get.
> >>>>>>>> Do
> >>>>>>> you feel they are adaquate and meet your needs?
> >>>>>>>> If you need a reader and person to scribe your answers on a
> >>>>>>>> scantron,
> >>>>>>> how are they? Are they competent readers?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm going through a discriminatory situation now. Most my readers
> >>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>> incompetent but I got around that by asking them to speak slower
> and
> >>>>>>> repeat
> >>>>>>> things; I mean they could not speak all that clearly and read fast
> >> and
> >>>>>>> spoke to the paper not articulately to me. Many exams I took with
> >> jaws
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> avoid this; I feel this way is slower for me and a reader can
> >> directly
> >>>>>>> mark
> >>>>>>> my answers on a scantron as well as go back to questions I missed.
> If
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>> need a reader scribe I should be given a competent reader.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'll tell more about this specific test issue in another message.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Look forward to seeing your responses.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ashley
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