From dandrews at visi.com Thu Aug 1 01:16:12 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:16:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Word 2013 with JAWS for Windows Training Course Available Message-ID: > >I'm pleased to announce that Word 2013 with JAWS for Windows training course >is now available from Access Technology Institute. > > > >The cost of the full course, with textbook is $225.00 > > > >For more information, to review the table of contents and to register, >please visit: > >www.blindtraining.com/courses/Word13JFW.html > > > >CathyAnne > > > >CathyAnne Murtha > >Director > >Access Technology Institute > >cathy at blindtraining.com > >www.blindtraining.com > >Twitter: www.twitter.com/AccessTechInst > > >Facebook: www.facebook.com/blindtraining > > > >_______________________________________________ >News mailing list >News at lists.blindtraining.com >http://lists.blindtraining.com/listinfo.cgi/news-blindtraining.com From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Thu Aug 1 03:38:26 2013 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 23:38:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] online speech-language pathology program Message-ID: <51f9d7bd.25adec0a.4a99.6e89@mx.google.com> Hello, I just completed my studies as an undergraduate with a degree in communication and French. However, in a couple years, I am looking to go back to school for speech therapy. I am looking at a program at the University of Akron in Akron, Ohio which is online. I am completely blind so I use JAWS and a braille note to accomplish school work. I am proficient with JAWS so that is not an issue. The concern I have is that since the program is online, I won't be able to interact with professors in the same way. I am referring particularly to the anatomy portions of the program. I took an anatomy class before but it was at my college in a classroom. Since I will not have access to diagrams and images, how would I effectively the visual concepts? Would I need a sighted assistant who can describe any visuals to me? Or could I ask the university to assign me a personal assistant who could help me with the coursework? Would I be better off completing my degree on campus as opposed to online? The advantages to the online program are that I can continue working while completing my degree as well as being able to complete my alinicals in my home city. Any speech therapy majors out there, please shed some light on this topic, I want to make sure I am making an informed decision and that my tuition money is being well spent. Either way, what methods did you find helpful when you were completing your courses? I am a very physical person so I would actually need to be shown exactly where the different speech organs were located. Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay From joy.misto at gmail.com Thu Aug 1 03:58:10 2013 From: joy.misto at gmail.com (Joy Mistovich) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 23:58:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB-Link Question Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I just wondered if some of you have joined NfB-Link recently and got in touch with a mentor. I just decided to sign up last Thursday because I am interested in getting in touch with a blind or visually impaired English professor from Ohio, since I only know sighted professors. However, on the website it said if you haven't heard from your mentor after 4 days, you should send an email to NF-Linl; I sent two e-mails to both e-mail addressed and they came up as an error. Is there another e-mail address I can send to since maybe those addresses are outdated. Thanks, Joy From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Aug 1 04:06:22 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 00:06:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB-Link Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Joy, Have you tried going off of our Ohio-talk list? I know Sherrie Welz-Jensen is a professor at Bolling Green. I'm not sure if she's in English but as a professor that would be a place to start. She might also know of other blind professors who are in English or some related field. She's really friendly and would probably be happy to do it. Plus, my guess is that she'll be at our state convention so you would be able to connect with her there. On 7/31/13, Joy Mistovich wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I just wondered if some of you have joined NfB-Link recently and got in > touch with a mentor. I just decided to sign up last Thursday because I am > interested in getting in touch with a blind or visually impaired English > professor from Ohio, since I only know sighted professors. However, on the > website it said if you haven't heard from your mentor after 4 days, you > should send an email to NF-Linl; I sent two e-mails to both e-mail > addressed and they came up as an error. Is there another e-mail address I > can send to since maybe those addresses are outdated. > Thanks, Joy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Thu Aug 1 04:17:18 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 04:17:18 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] online speech-language pathology program In-Reply-To: <51f9d7bd.25adec0a.4a99.6e89@mx.google.com> References: <51f9d7bd.25adec0a.4a99.6e89@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Kelsey! First of all, welcome to the list! I wouldn't do anything online, because it's too much trouble! I struggled last semester with an online class, and I'm forced to take another one this semester! BTW, I like the E-Mail address, since I'm a pianist too! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kelsey Nicolay [piano.girl0299 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:38 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] online speech-language pathology program Hello, I just completed my studies as an undergraduate with a degree in communication and French. However, in a couple years, I am looking to go back to school for speech therapy. I am looking at a program at the University of Akron in Akron, Ohio which is online. I am completely blind so I use JAWS and a braille note to accomplish school work. I am proficient with JAWS so that is not an issue. The concern I have is that since the program is online, I won't be able to interact with professors in the same way. I am referring particularly to the anatomy portions of the program. I took an anatomy class before but it was at my college in a classroom. Since I will not have access to diagrams and images, how would I effectively the visual concepts? Would I need a sighted assistant who can describe any visuals to me? Or could I ask the university to assign me a personal assistant who could help me with the coursework? Would I be better off completing my degree on campus as opposed to online? The advantages to the online program are that I can continue working while completing my degree as well as being able to complete my alinicals in my home city. Any speech therapy majors out there, please shed some light on this topic, I want to make sure I am making an informed decision and that my tuition money is being well spent. Either way, what methods did you find helpful when you were completing your courses? I am a very physical person so I would actually need to be shown exactly where the different speech organs were located. Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Thu Aug 1 09:38:58 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 04:38:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] online speech-language pathology program In-Reply-To: <51f9d7bd.25adec0a.4a99.6e89@mx.google.com> References: <51f9d7bd.25adec0a.4a99.6e89@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3CC60CEF-688A-4B11-9081-ABC2D8487F8E@gmail.com> Kelsey, where do you live?? Why are you looking into the online program in Akron? As far as online classes versus classroom classes. I find online classes to be much more work and I personally do not like them much. But some people really do! And it depends on what kind of class i guess too. Where do you work? Can you not still work if you do the regular classes instead of online classes? If not, then maybe online classes would be a good thing. I am wondering also if you have taken online classes before? It seems that especially with certain things you are trying ro study it would just work a lot better to be in a classroom or on campus in order to be able to interact with others to learn these things. But I think there are a lot of things to consider. Have you talked to the university in akron about this issue? Anna E Givens On Jul 31, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > I just completed my studies as an undergraduate with a degree in communication and French. However, in a couple years, I am looking to go back to school for speech therapy. I am looking at a program at the University of Akron in Akron, Ohio which is online. I am completely blind so I use JAWS and a braille note to accomplish school work. I am proficient with JAWS so that is not an issue. The concern I have is that since the program is online, I won't be able to interact with professors in the same way. I am referring particularly to the anatomy portions of the program. I took an anatomy class before but it was at my college in a classroom. Since I will not have access to diagrams and images, how would I effectively the visual concepts? Would I need a sighted assistant who can describe any visuals to me? Or could I ask the university to assign me a personal assistant who could help me with the coursework? Would I be better off completing my degree on campus as opposed to online? The advantages to the online program are that I can continue working while completing my degree as well as being able to complete my alinicals in my home city. Any speech therapy majors out there, please shed some light on this topic, I want to make sure I am making an informed decision and that my tuition money is being well spent. Either way, what methods did you find helpful when you were completing your courses? I am a very physical person so I would actually need to be shown exactly where the different speech organs were located. > Thanks in advance, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com Thu Aug 1 15:48:43 2013 From: weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com (The weird writer) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 10:48:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] interviews about the accessible netflix project. BBC outch! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51FA835B.7010509@gmail.com> basically, read http://netflixproject.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/interviews-and-new-partners/ From joy.misto at gmail.com Thu Aug 1 18:05:36 2013 From: joy.misto at gmail.com (Joy Mistovich) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:05:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi, Can someone tell me Dr. Mauer's e-mail. I tried emailing him at the address from the website but it said there was an error and no address like that was found. Thanks, Joy From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Thu Aug 1 18:16:47 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:16:47 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Dr Maurer Message-ID: Joy, he won't answer E-Mails anyway. Your best bet is to call him at the national office. BTW, welcome to the list! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Joy Mistovich [joy.misto at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 1:05 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) Hi, Can someone tell me Dr. Mauer's e-mail. I tried emailing him at the address from the website but it said there was an error and no address like that was found. Thanks, Joy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Thu Aug 1 19:43:30 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:43:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I really don't know about the email thing. But I would agree, I think calling him is your best bet. He will talk to you on the phone, unless you have some issue that is going to take up a whole lot of time and could be better addressed by someone else. I would definitely call....depending on what the reason is. Anna E Givens On Aug 1, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Joy Mistovich wrote: > Hi, > Can someone tell me Dr. Mauer's e-mail. I tried emailing him at the address > from the website but it said there was an error and no address like that > was found. > Thanks, Joy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From joy.misto at gmail.com Thu Aug 1 20:16:49 2013 From: joy.misto at gmail.com (Joy Mistovich) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 16:16:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi, I called and asked for Dr. Mauers e-mail at the National Center, so you don't have to respond to this question. Thanks, Joy From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Aug 1 22:35:34 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 17:35:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Contacting Dr. Maurer was Re: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-5467566076521146059@unknownmsgid> Joy, As Joshua said, Dr. Maurer doesn't often answer emails. So, you could email him, but if you really want to get in contact with him, your best bet would probably be to call. Since he does not have a direct extension, you would call the operator and ask for him. If he is available, they will transfer you. Also, just a tip: you might want to put the subject line in your emails to the list in the future. We do this for two reasons: firstly, so list members will know what we are writing about before they even open the email, and secondly because Emails which come from spammers and hackers often have no subject line. We are not saying that you are a spammer or hacker, only that emails with no subject send out to a list make some suspicious of spamming. If you could do this, this would greatly help us. Hope this helps, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Joy Mistovich wrote: > Hi, > I called and asked for Dr. Mauers e-mail at the National Center, so you > don't have to respond to this question. > Thanks, Joy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From adrimpc80 at gmail.com Thu Aug 1 22:45:52 2013 From: adrimpc80 at gmail.com (Adriana Pulido) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 17:45:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Setting up gmail account on iPhone 5? In-Reply-To: <-7308454461028938578@unknownmsgid> References: <00b101ce8cd3$56870380$03950a80$@gmail.com> <5025022444904882541@unknownmsgid> <011e01ce8d4b$99890340$cc9b09c0$@gmail.com> <288785458040951038@unknownmsgid> <014501ce8d50$0ecd03a0$2c670ae0$@gmail.com> <-7308454461028938578@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hello everyone, Just another quick question. I've been trying to synchronize my Gmail contacts with the iPhone but I haven't been able to do so. I added a Card up account as suggested in many forums, but just a few contacts were synchronized. Do you guys have any other suggestions? Thanks, Adriana 2013/7/30, christopher nusbaum : > Okay. So, as explained earlier, and IMAP connection will do that. > Sorry for the misunderstanding. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 30, 2013, at 1:11 PM, justin williams > wrote: > >> No, just showing the same stuff between the two of them. I will get one >> of >> the eye phones soon. I would want to check my email on it. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher >> nusbaum >> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:07 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Setting up gmail account on iPhone 5? >> >> No, I'm not calling you out. I was just trying to figure out what you >> meant. >> So you just want your iPhone and your PC to show the same stuff? Sorry; I >> thought you were talking about getting emails that are saved on your PC >> onto >> your iPhone. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 30, 2013, at 12:39 PM, justin williams >> >> wrote: >> >>> Oops, typo. Calling me out there are you? Please excuse the typo. I >>> meant sinking. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>> christopher nusbaum >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:18 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Setting up gmail account on iPhone 5? >>> >>> What do you mean by syncing? You can set up your Gmail account on your >>> iPhone, but you can't sync emails from your PC to your iPhone. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:18 PM, justin williams >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Is sinking the gmail from the pc to the eye phone impossible? I am >>>> about to get an eye phone. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Adriana >>>> Pulido >>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:26 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Setting up gmail account on iPhone 5? >>>> >>>> Hello guys, >>>> I'm sure this question has been asked a thousand times, but still >>>> I'll have to ask. >>>> I recently bought an iPhone 5. I downloaded the Gmail Ap, and then I >>>> typed my username and password when it asked me to do so. However, I >>>> now know that I should set up my gmail account in order to, for >>>> instance, dictate email messages to Siri. >>>> According to some information I read, I should delete my existing >>>> Gmail account (the one I had added via the automatic Gmail profile >>>> in the iPhone), or otherwise the settings will not be saved >>>> correctly. Is this true at all? Should I delete my existing Gmail >>>> account and add a new one in the iPhone's mail App? >>>> >>>> I really thank you guys for the information you can provide. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Adriana Pulido >>>> Filóloga en Inglés y músico de la Universidad Nacional de Colombia. >>>> Master en Comunicación y Periodismo, University of Florida. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >>>> 4 >>>> 0gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40 >>>> g >>>> mail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >>> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrimpc80%40gmail.com > -- Adriana Pulido Filóloga en Inglés y músico de la Universidad Nacional de Colombia. Master en Comunicación y Periodismo, University of Florida From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Aug 2 01:03:36 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 21:03:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] online speech-language pathology program In-Reply-To: <3CC60CEF-688A-4B11-9081-ABC2D8487F8E@gmail.com> References: <51f9d7bd.25adec0a.4a99.6e89@mx.google.com> <3CC60CEF-688A-4B11-9081-ABC2D8487F8E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Kelsey, and welcome to NABS! Although I am not a speech therapy major, I can say from my volunteer experiences as well as my coursework thus far in my music therapy program that it's vital to have the physical concepts you will be teaching to your clients down pat, and especially as a blind person since we don't have the luxury of visually checking our work or using vision to check what our clients are doing. I'm usually pretty good at picking up physical concepts by following verbal directions, but because I know I will need to teach/train others in these concepts I still find checking with a professor to make sure I understood them correctly to be very important. Because of this I think it would be prudent and well worth the money of paying for in-person classes, unless there is some reason like Anna said that would suggest that an online course or a combo of in-person and cyber classes would be better. I would speak with an advisor at the U of Akron early on before entering the program so you can discuss your options together. I would also highly recommend that you look for speech therapists in your area who would be willing to have a volunteer assistant or a job shadower. That would give you the opportunity to see what speech therapy sessions are like early on, and if you find a good therapist who is willing to do a little coaching in the basics it could be a huge learning experience for you. The good thing for you is that by being in chorus and having some familiarity with vocal technique, you probably already have a little more of an idea of how the vocal system works than most incoming speech therapy students. You might also look up some speech and language pathology, vocal pedigogy, and anatomy books on Bookshare. I believe there is a tactile anatomy atlas available from APH for about $100, which would be a huge investment as it would be something you could keep for reference throughout your career. NLS might have some additional materials you can borrow as well. The NFB also has a human services devision open to any professional or student in the therapy fields. The list is humanser at nfbnet.org. It's a great resource and a great bunch of people if you're interested in joining. On 8/1/13, Anna Givens wrote: > Kelsey, where do you live?? Why are you looking into the online program in > Akron? > As far as online classes versus classroom classes. I find online classes to > be much more work and I personally do not like them much. But some people > really do! And it depends on what kind of class i guess too. Where do you > work? Can you not still work if you do the regular classes instead of > online classes? If not, then maybe online classes would be a good thing. I > am wondering also if you have taken online classes before? > It seems that especially with certain things you are trying ro study it > would just work a lot better to be in a classroom or on campus in order to > be able to interact with others to learn these things. But I think there > are a lot of things to consider. Have you talked to the university in akron > about this issue? > > Anna E Givens > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Kelsey Nicolay > wrote: > >> Hello, >> I just completed my studies as an undergraduate with a degree in >> communication and French. However, in a couple years, I am looking to go >> back to school for speech therapy. I am looking at a program at the >> University of Akron in Akron, Ohio which is online. I am completely blind >> so I use JAWS and a braille note to accomplish school work. I am >> proficient with JAWS so that is not an issue. The concern I have is that >> since the program is online, I won't be able to interact with professors >> in the same way. I am referring particularly to the anatomy portions of >> the program. I took an anatomy class before but it was at my college in a >> classroom. Since I will not have access to diagrams and images, how would >> I effectively the visual concepts? Would I need a sighted assistant who >> can describe any visuals to me? Or could I ask the university to assign me >> a personal assistant who could help me with the coursework? Would I be >> better off completing my degree on campus as opposed to online? The >> advantages to the online program are that I can continue working while >> completing my degree as well as being able to complete my alinicals in my >> home city. Any speech therapy majors out there, please shed some light on >> this topic, I want to make sure I am making an informed decision and that >> my tuition money is being well spent. Either way, what methods did you >> find helpful when you were completing your courses? I am a very physical >> person so I would actually need to be shown exactly where the different >> speech organs were located. >> Thanks in advance, >> Kelsey Nicolay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Sat Aug 3 14:13:24 2013 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:13:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program Message-ID: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> Hello, I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is totally blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area so that is something else to consider. Their office of students with disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my situation, which program would you choose and why? Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Sat Aug 3 14:16:59 2013 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:16:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000301ce9054$1e6919a0$0302a8c0@hometwxakonvzn> Kelsey, I think you'd have to look at the pros-cons of both. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelsey Nicolay" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program > Hello, > I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am > interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. I have > found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at University > of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The advantage > to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and compaete > clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is Ohio > State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to > relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please > tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus > transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students > with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro > University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I > would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is > from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is > totally blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the > Erie area so that is something else to consider. Their office of students > with disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my > situation, which program would you choose and why? > Thanks in advance, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From wmodnl at hotmail.com Sat Aug 3 14:24:38 2013 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:24:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Since you are thinking of relocating from your hometown, to another state, you should consider schools here in the great state of Massachusetts. Many services and programs exist. Unfortunately, the University of Massachusetts at Boston, may not have your program of study; however, another school within our great system may have what you need. Call me this evening, I will go online to look some things up for you. (631)804-1609 Have a good day, William. Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2013, at 10:11 AM, "Kelsey Nicolay" wrote: > Hello, > I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is totally blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area so that is something else to consider. Their office of students with disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my situation, which program would you choose and why? > Thanks in advance, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Sat Aug 3 14:41:38 2013 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 07:41:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program Message-ID: Hi Kelsey, If at all possible, I would urge you to visit the campuses of both of the in-person schools you're considering. Not only will this help you judge the safety/convenience of their neighborhoods, but you'll also be able to have conversations with students, gauge the atmosphere of the school, and maybe even meet with a professor or two in your field. Whether or not you can visit, I'd urge you to contact the chair or administrative assistant of your potential department to ask them to connect you with a few current students, and I'd ask each school's disability services program if there is a blind student you can speak to, since it sounds like you have some accessibility-related questions. Also, if you don't mind my asking, have you already applied and been accepted to all three schools? If your question is which school to apply to rather than which school to attend, I'd consider applying to all three and seeing which ends up offering you the best financial aid package. Grad school is expensive, so this is often a factor that applicants take into account. Good luck with your decision! Lucy > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Kelsey Nicolay To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Date sent: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:13:24 -0400 >Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program >Hello, >I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I >am interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. >I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is >at University of Akron which is the online program I posted about >before. The advantage to this one is that I can live at home >while taking classes and compaete clinicals in my hometown of >Medina, Ohio. The second progham is Ohio State University. My >concern with Ohio State is that I would need to relocate to >Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please tell >me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the >bus transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students >or students with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so >far is Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year >program. This means I would need to relocate to Edinboro. What >is it like there, if anyone is from that area? Is it a relatively >safe community for someone who is totally blind? They do offer >free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area so that is >something else to consider. Their office of students with >disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in >my situation, which program would you choose and why? >Thanks in advance, >Kelsey Nicolay >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40earthlink.net From wmodnl at hotmail.com Sat Aug 3 14:51:23 2013 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:51:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Umass: Message-ID: Below is a link, that can help the student interested in the programs for students with communication disabilities. http://www.umass.edu/sphhs/communication-disorders http://www.umass.edu/sphhs/communication-disorders/academics/graduate-programs/master-arts/required-courses I did not open the links to read about the programs; so, I hope they are for grad students. Anyway... Take a look at the Umass system-- a haven for people with disabilities! I have never seen a university, especially Umass Boston that is so open to peopple with all abilities from varying backgrounds. The campus is a haven both inside and out! Located on the Boston harbor, Umass Boston is more than a school. It is a place of peace, a haven where many work together, fostering diversity. For example, there are two disabled individuals I know who came to work with a set of skills. While on the job, there lives drasticly changed. In stead of going through the a-typical company things, individuals like there supervisors worked together to research the needed tools and resources for them to work effectively. We will become a model system for teaching, and educating the world on how to best use a social model for providing universal design. My mission is to see this school continue to be the beacon of hope and possibility, just like the city of Boston. Moreover, with the tools and resources already in-place, it is my mission to see us become a model of inclusionary practices both as a school and employer. I am going to end with a quote from someone who said: "We are a research institution. There is no excuse for the status-quo. As a result, it is our job at this institution to always have a can-do attitude while interacting with everyone who walks through our doors. No two people learn the same. Similarly, no two people do a job the exact same way. We all have different tools that we utilize. One way is not better than another. As long as the task is completed, whether it is a job or paper in school, the point is that it was completed. It does not matter in the end, that you may use different tools to get the job done." Have a good day and weekend. Sent from my iPad From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 3 15:15:42 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:15:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <006f01ce905c$52f80520$f8e80f60$@gmail.com> You should definitely get in contact with someone who is blind in those areas; and try to find a total, or someone who operates about like you do if you can. Most importantly, find the right fit for you. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program Hello, I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is totally blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area so that is something else to consider. Their office of students with disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my situation, which program would you choose and why? Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sat Aug 3 20:18:49 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 16:18:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: <006f01ce905c$52f80520$f8e80f60$@gmail.com> References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> <006f01ce905c$52f80520$f8e80f60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Kelsey, Lucy and Justin were both right on. I would definitely make an effort to go visit those schools. Set up meetings with profs in your degree program and try to speak to some students in the program to see how they like it. I would also set up consultation appointments with the disability services people and try to find a blind student from their office to talk to about accessibility. I would also try to find a practicing speech pathologist who is blind so you can ask questions about the adapted techniques they use on the job and other questions. I will say this since I was recently in Columbus. They have a pretty good para-transit system from what I've gathered called Mainstream. I can't speak about the OSU neighborhood as I was closer to the state school for the blind while I was there, but I'm sure you know the campus is pretty expansive and a small town in it's own right. I think you really should visit there and the other school too to get a truer idea of what the students there say about it, how neighborhoods are, etc. On 8/3/13, justin williams wrote: > You should definitely get in contact with someone who is blind in those > areas; and try to find a total, or someone who operates about like you do > if > you can. Most importantly, find the right fit for you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program > > Hello, > I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am > interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. > I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at > University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The > advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and > compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is > Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to > relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please > tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus > transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students > with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro > University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I > would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is > from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is > totally > blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area > so that is something else to consider. Their office of students with > disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my > situation, which program would you choose and why? > Thanks in advance, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From jsoro620 at gmail.com Sat Aug 3 23:24:29 2013 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 19:24:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001501ce90a0$9a64afa0$cf2e0ee0$@gmail.com> Kelsey, I think it fair to ask what communities offer better public transportation. However, I'm not so sure the safety factor is going to give you any degree of satisfaction. There are great schools located in the midst of dubious neighborhoods. Take, for example, the University of Chicago, the Catholic University of America, Temple University, and the list goes on and on. If safety is a high priority, you may very well decide studying at home is your best bet. If you are going to start making blindness a factor in choosing a school, you're going to allow it to be a factor in choosing your future job. Yes, it would be great if some disability services offered excellent support. Unfortunately, most do not, and that's okay because in the working world the support is zero. You may as well grow some confidence about advocating for yourself now where the support systems are more plentiful in the academic arena. It's a little tough love. Yet, I assure you in the long run you'll be better for it. Pick the program based on its potential to give you the best training, the best investment of your time and money. The rest has a funny way of falling into place when you need it to. Joe -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program Hello, I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is totally blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area so that is something else to consider. Their office of students with disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my situation, which program would you choose and why? Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From bigsike1587 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 00:37:25 2013 From: bigsike1587 at gmail.com (Biggie Sike) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 18:37:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: <001501ce90a0$9a64afa0$cf2e0ee0$@gmail.com> References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> <001501ce90a0$9a64afa0$cf2e0ee0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I would definitely try to visit the campuses and see which one works out best for me. It would also give me a chance to meet with other students and ask them about how things are around there. Best of luck! On Aug 3, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Joe wrote: > Kelsey, > > I think it fair to ask what communities offer better public transportation. > However, I'm not so sure the safety factor is going to give you any degree > of satisfaction. There are great schools located in the midst of dubious > neighborhoods. Take, for example, the University of Chicago, the Catholic > University of America, Temple University, and the list goes on and on. If > safety is a high priority, you may very well decide studying at home is your > best bet. > > If you are going to start making blindness a factor in choosing a school, > you're going to allow it to be a factor in choosing your future job. Yes, it > would be great if some disability services offered excellent support. > Unfortunately, most do not, and that's okay because in the working world the > support is zero. You may as well grow some confidence about advocating for > yourself now where the support systems are more plentiful in the academic > arena. > > It's a little tough love. Yet, I assure you in the long run you'll be better > for it. Pick the program based on its potential to give you the best > training, the best investment of your time and money. The rest has a funny > way of falling into place when you need it to. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program > > Hello, > I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am > interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. > I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at > University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The > advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and > compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is > Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to > relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please > tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus > transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students > with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro > University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I > would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is > from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is totally > blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area > so that is something else to consider. Their office of students with > disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my > situation, which program would you choose and why? > Thanks in advance, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bigsike1587%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 4 02:07:53 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 22:07:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: <001501ce90a0$9a64afa0$cf2e0ee0$@gmail.com> References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> <001501ce90a0$9a64afa0$cf2e0ee0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Joe, I think she was asking about many issues such as transportation, safety, what the program was like and yes disability support services. I did not read her message as making blindness a big deal. I just had to speak up. As a woman, I'm also concerned about safety; I just heard about rapes on the news. So, I think safety can be an issue because you want to have an active life but not unnecessarily put yourself in harm's way. There are great schools in bad areas as you said, but if you can go to an excellent school in a relatively safe area, that would be a good thing if all other factors were met. To Kelsey, you might want to take some self defense workshops. If safety is a concern at night, I suggest carrying your cell phone, walking in lit areas, and perhaps carrying a whistle. The lit areas thing may be harder to know if you are completely blind, but ask someone about that. Try not to walk many places alone at night; if you are out, get a ride from a friend or arrange for a cab if affordable and possible. I mentioned this because hanging around at bus stops can be spooky sometimes at night. You may feel more vulnerable. I'm not saying this because I doubt your skills, btw. I believe wether we can see or not, we shouldn't be walking around in dark places at night alone. If you do need to go out, its usually safer either if you have a ride from someone or if you can at least be with friends. There is safety in numbers. You mentioned the shuttle service. I remember when I was at marymount university, I caught our shuttle often from the metro to go back to school. This was very helpful and afforded me more independence since I could go shopping or dining when I wanted to. While I did wait for the shuttle sometimes alone at night, I sure felt more comfortable when other students waited with me. I'd ask the schools what public transit is near the school and what transit services, if any, they provide to students. Some schools offer discounts on public transit and even have shuttles around campus because their campus is big. Good luck with the decission. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:24 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] which graduate program Kelsey, I think it fair to ask what communities offer better public transportation. However, I'm not so sure the safety factor is going to give you any degree of satisfaction. There are great schools located in the midst of dubious neighborhoods. Take, for example, the University of Chicago, the Catholic University of America, Temple University, and the list goes on and on. If safety is a high priority, you may very well decide studying at home is your best bet. If you are going to start making blindness a factor in choosing a school, you're going to allow it to be a factor in choosing your future job. Yes, it would be great if some disability services offered excellent support. Unfortunately, most do not, and that's okay because in the working world the support is zero. You may as well grow some confidence about advocating for yourself now where the support systems are more plentiful in the academic arena. It's a little tough love. Yet, I assure you in the long run you'll be better for it. Pick the program based on its potential to give you the best training, the best investment of your time and money. The rest has a funny way of falling into place when you need it to. Joe -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program Hello, I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is totally blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area so that is something else to consider. Their office of students with disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my situation, which program would you choose and why? Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 4 02:30:23 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 22:30:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <328EB7D4D3C74739B1005EB147B45C0B@OwnerPC> Kelsey, I cannot answer your questions. But I did want to say I hope you decide the right thing and do well in your slp program. That is a great profession and you'll work with many kids as well as some adults who aquired speech problems. I'd suggest, if you haven't done so, to check the school's websites. They should list transportation options under student life. Since you mentioned safety as a factor, I'd check the police services. Will you have to live off campus? From your term relocate, I thought you might have to; not all schools offer graduate housing. I echo what others said. Try and visit the school. While there, speak to not only advisors but also to students. Maybe they will connect you with an alumni whom you can ask about the program. You may be able to meet some potential professors too. >From what I've heard, the Erie area is nice and safe. I believe there's tourist attractions around there, but more in Philidelphia but I think Philli may be far off. Well, good luck. Also, I mentioned some safety suggestions in my other email. I think with some planning, you can be safe. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program Hello, I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is totally blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area so that is something else to consider. Their office of students with disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my situation, which program would you choose and why? Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 03:46:01 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 23:46:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: <328EB7D4D3C74739B1005EB147B45C0B@OwnerPC> References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> <328EB7D4D3C74739B1005EB147B45C0B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Kelsey and all, In terms of picking a university based on travel and transportation, I totally agree with Joe. My own university has some shady surrounding neighborhoods, but as long as you know what areas are safe and what are better to avoid and you're smart in taking preventative measures, it's not so bad. And some of the examples of schools in rough neighborhoods he gave are also like Dayton; Temple and Drexel in downtown Philly are both in rough areas, as well as some of the other ones in Ohio like the University of Cincinnati near where I live. It all boils down to being smart when you travel. I agree you should consider your transportation options and try to learn as much about the public and para-transit systems as you can, but don't rule out schools based on safety or transportation alone when the quality academics can superceed some of the surrounding issues. But, as a young blind woman going to school away from home myself, what AShley has said makes perfect sense. I generally tend to avoid traveling after dark because I don't feel safe since I can't see if anyone is following me or acting weird around me, but if it must be done then there are a few things you can do. Whenever possible go with others who can visually keep an eye on things because there is strength in numbers. When you are alone, it might be smart to call a friend who would be willing to stay on the phone with you while you're on your way to your destination. My roommate and I did this when we were coming back to our dorm room from studying somewhere, and it worked pretty well because then if something happened the other person would know to get help. When you do this it's also good to periodically give the other person landmarks in the conversation for this purpose. It is good to take note of which areas are lit and unlit, but I personally don't think the lit areas are that much safer because if something were to happen there is always the possibility of the crime moving from the lit area to one that is not lighted. Self-defense skills are great to know, and martial arts training can also come in handy. I know a couple of girls who carry small cans of pepper spray that look inconspicuous too. One of my friends has one that hangs on her keychain that looks like a tube of chapstick. Make sure that if you choose to get some you know how to quickly and accurately orient the tube so that the spray can go in the right direction. When talking about safety and transportation, it might also be good to ask if the university offers an escort service, (different from shuttles that might not run after a certain hour). My university has one and it's really handy. It runs from 7:00 to 4:00 AM and if I'm at a friend's house or studying in an academic building late I can always call the escort service to pick me up and drive me back home. This way I don't have to be uncomfortable traveling by myself at night, and I safely get to my room for free. I would also see if any taxi companies in the area frequently work with university students or have a good reputation in case you really get in a pinch. Good luck with the search. On 8/3/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Kelsey, > I cannot answer your questions. But I did want to say I hope you decide the > > right thing and do well in your slp program. > That is a great profession and you'll work with many kids as well as some > adults who aquired speech problems. > > I'd suggest, if you haven't done so, to check the school's websites. > They should list transportation options under student life. Since you > mentioned safety as a factor, I'd check the police services. Will you have > to live off campus? From your term relocate, I thought you might have to; > not all schools offer graduate housing. > > I echo what others said. Try and visit the school. While there, speak to not > > only advisors but also to students. Maybe they will connect you with an > alumni whom you can ask about the program. > You may be able to meet some potential professors too. > > From what I've heard, the > Erie area is nice and safe. I believe there's tourist attractions around > there, but more in Philidelphia but I think Philli may be far off. > > Well, good luck. Also, I mentioned some safety suggestions in my other > email. > I think with some planning, you can be safe. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelsey Nicolay > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program > > Hello, > I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I > am interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. > I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is > at University of Akron which is the online program I posted about > before. The advantage to this one is that I can live at home > while taking classes and compaete clinicals in my hometown of > Medina, Ohio. The second progham is Ohio State University. My > concern with Ohio State is that I would need to relocate to > Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please tell > me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the > bus transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students > or students with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so > far is Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year > program. This means I would need to relocate to Edinboro. What > is it like there, if anyone is from that area? Is it a relatively > safe community for someone who is totally blind? They do offer > free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area so that is > something else to consider. Their office of students with > disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in > my situation, which program would you choose and why? > Thanks in advance, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From sgermano at asu.edu Sun Aug 4 16:12:08 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:12:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: <001501ce90a0$9a64afa0$cf2e0ee0$@gmail.com> References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> <001501ce90a0$9a64afa0$cf2e0ee0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: How can we not consider our blindness in a future job? For example if a company is miles from any bus stop then it is not an option unless you can afford a cab everyday. Para-transit only goes 3/4 mile off the bus route. Over the years, since I graduated high school in 1982, I have researched car pooling and it never panned out. So for transportation I do consider my vision when job hunting. It sucks but if I cannot get there, I cannot get there. And I would consider transportation around a school when looking at it's pros and cons even sighted people take into consideration things like how close are store etc. I see nothing wrong with wanting to choose a school that has good public transportation. And safe neighborhood, that has nothing to do with sight. I would not live in an unsafe neighborhood sighted or blind. Suzanne On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Joe wrote: > Kelsey, > > I think it fair to ask what communities offer better public transportation. > However, I'm not so sure the safety factor is going to give you any degree > of satisfaction. There are great schools located in the midst of dubious > neighborhoods. Take, for example, the University of Chicago, the Catholic > University of America, Temple University, and the list goes on and on. If > safety is a high priority, you may very well decide studying at home is > your > best bet. > > If you are going to start making blindness a factor in choosing a school, > you're going to allow it to be a factor in choosing your future job. Yes, > it > would be great if some disability services offered excellent support. > Unfortunately, most do not, and that's okay because in the working world > the > support is zero. You may as well grow some confidence about advocating for > yourself now where the support systems are more plentiful in the academic > arena. > > It's a little tough love. Yet, I assure you in the long run you'll be > better > for it. Pick the program based on its potential to give you the best > training, the best investment of your time and money. The rest has a funny > way of falling into place when you need it to. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey > Nicolay > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program > > Hello, > I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am > interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. > I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at > University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The > advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and > compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is > Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to > relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please > tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus > transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students > with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro > University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I > would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is > from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is > totally > blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area > so that is something else to consider. Their office of students with > disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my > situation, which program would you choose and why? > Thanks in advance, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From jsoro620 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 17:46:49 2013 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 13:46:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> <001501ce90a0$9a64afa0$cf2e0ee0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901ce913a$9957c580$cc075080$@gmail.com> Suzanne, I did not say blindness could not be a factor in researching future employment. I said using the strength of a disability service at a university was misguided, because it puts us in the frame of mind that future employment can be chosen on the strength of a disability service that isn't there. We may as well start to advocate for ourselves at the university level where there are far more resources than in the real world where the support systems are significantly less. Yes, one should be smart about choosing jobs where transportation is feasible. Yet, graduate school is approximately two years long. A little sacrifice is in order if the academics and job prospects after graduation are great. Besides, I specifically pointed out that considering public transit when choosing a school was a fair point. As to safety, no one advocated you be careless. My point is that whether or not an area is safe is subjective. Yes, talk to people about the general area, and try to find a location that seems reasonable. Yet, do not expect to find a completely satisfactory response, because what seems safe to one person will differ from what seems safe to someone else. We do not disagree as much as you think. I just wish you'd carefully read what I wrote before responding. Joe From: Suzanne Germano [mailto:sgermano at asu.edu] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:12 PM To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] which graduate program How can we not consider our blindness in a future job? For example if a company is miles from any bus stop then it is not an option unless you can afford a cab everyday. Para-transit only goes 3/4 mile off the bus route. Over the years, since I graduated high school in 1982, I have researched car pooling and it never panned out. So for transportation I do consider my vision when job hunting. It sucks but if I cannot get there, I cannot get there. And I would consider transportation around a school when looking at it's pros and cons even sighted people take into consideration things like how close are store etc. I see nothing wrong with wanting to choose a school that has good public transportation. And safe neighborhood, that has nothing to do with sight. I would not live in an unsafe neighborhood sighted or blind. Suzanne On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Joe wrote: Kelsey, I think it fair to ask what communities offer better public transportation. However, I'm not so sure the safety factor is going to give you any degree of satisfaction. There are great schools located in the midst of dubious neighborhoods. Take, for example, the University of Chicago, the Catholic University of America, Temple University, and the list goes on and on. If safety is a high priority, you may very well decide studying at home is your best bet. If you are going to start making blindness a factor in choosing a school, you're going to allow it to be a factor in choosing your future job. Yes, it would be great if some disability services offered excellent support. Unfortunately, most do not, and that's okay because in the working world the support is zero. You may as well grow some confidence about advocating for yourself now where the support systems are more plentiful in the academic arena. It's a little tough love. Yet, I assure you in the long run you'll be better for it. Pick the program based on its potential to give you the best training, the best investment of your time and money. The rest has a funny way of falling into place when you need it to. Joe -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program Hello, I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is totally blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area so that is something else to consider. Their office of students with disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my situation, which program would you choose and why? Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 18:29:00 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 14:29:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> <328EB7D4D3C74739B1005EB147B45C0B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <003101ce9140$7d89a430$789cec90$@gmail.com> Spot on. You really no your stuff. That was great advice. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 11:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] which graduate program Hi Kelsey and all, In terms of picking a university based on travel and transportation, I totally agree with Joe. My own university has some shady surrounding neighborhoods, but as long as you know what areas are safe and what are better to avoid and you're smart in taking preventative measures, it's not so bad. And some of the examples of schools in rough neighborhoods he gave are also like Dayton; Temple and Drexel in downtown Philly are both in rough areas, as well as some of the other ones in Ohio like the University of Cincinnati near where I live. It all boils down to being smart when you travel. I agree you should consider your transportation options and try to learn as much about the public and para-transit systems as you can, but don't rule out schools based on safety or transportation alone when the quality academics can superceed some of the surrounding issues. But, as a young blind woman going to school away from home myself, what AShley has said makes perfect sense. I generally tend to avoid traveling after dark because I don't feel safe since I can't see if anyone is following me or acting weird around me, but if it must be done then there are a few things you can do. Whenever possible go with others who can visually keep an eye on things because there is strength in numbers. When you are alone, it might be smart to call a friend who would be willing to stay on the phone with you while you're on your way to your destination. My roommate and I did this when we were coming back to our dorm room from studying somewhere, and it worked pretty well because then if something happened the other person would know to get help. When you do this it's also good to periodically give the other person landmarks in the conversation for this purpose. It is good to take note of which areas are lit and unlit, but I personally don't think the lit areas are that much safer because if something were to happen there is always the possibility of the crime moving from the lit area to one that is not lighted. Self-defense skills are great to know, and martial arts training can also come in handy. I know a couple of girls who carry small cans of pepper spray that look inconspicuous too. One of my friends has one that hangs on her keychain that looks like a tube of chapstick. Make sure that if you choose to get some you know how to quickly and accurately orient the tube so that the spray can go in the right direction. When talking about safety and transportation, it might also be good to ask if the university offers an escort service, (different from shuttles that might not run after a certain hour). My university has one and it's really handy. It runs from 7:00 to 4:00 AM and if I'm at a friend's house or studying in an academic building late I can always call the escort service to pick me up and drive me back home. This way I don't have to be uncomfortable traveling by myself at night, and I safely get to my room for free. I would also see if any taxi companies in the area frequently work with university students or have a good reputation in case you really get in a pinch. Good luck with the search. On 8/3/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Kelsey, > I cannot answer your questions. But I did want to say I hope you > decide the > > right thing and do well in your slp program. > That is a great profession and you'll work with many kids as well as > some adults who aquired speech problems. > > I'd suggest, if you haven't done so, to check the school's websites. > They should list transportation options under student life. Since you > mentioned safety as a factor, I'd check the police services. Will you > have to live off campus? From your term relocate, I thought you might > have to; not all schools offer graduate housing. > > I echo what others said. Try and visit the school. While there, speak > to not > > only advisors but also to students. Maybe they will connect you with > an alumni whom you can ask about the program. > You may be able to meet some potential professors too. > > From what I've heard, the > Erie area is nice and safe. I believe there's tourist attractions > around there, but more in Philidelphia but I think Philli may be far off. > > Well, good luck. Also, I mentioned some safety suggestions in my > other email. > I think with some planning, you can be safe. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelsey Nicolay > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program > > Hello, > I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am > interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. > I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at > University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. > The advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking > classes and compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The > second progham is Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State > is that I would need to relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from > that area, can you please tell me what the safety of that neighborhood > would be like? How is the bus transportation? Do they offer any > discounts for osu students or students with disabilities? The final > phogram I have found so far is Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. > They are a two-year program. This means I would need to relocate to > Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is from that area? Is it a > relatively safe community for someone who is totally blind? They do > offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area so that > is something else to consider. Their office of students with > disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my > situation, which program would you choose and why? > Thanks in advance, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40eart > hlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 18:54:42 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 14:54:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: <000901ce913a$9957c580$cc075080$@gmail.com> References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> <001501ce90a0$9a64afa0$cf2e0ee0$@gmail.com> <000901ce913a$9957c580$cc075080$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004201ce9144$15240990$3f6c1cb0$@gmail.com> Keep in mind that if your blindness skills, and resources for accessibility aren't all in alignment, then no matter how good the university's education, you can't avail yourself of its benefits. Get the most bang for your buck between safety, the disability office, public transportation, and the education program. Also, make sure you like the people. I was in a graduate program for two years more than ten years ago. Despite having the other factors in alignment, I ended up getting black listed from the get go, and I didn't like most of my colleagues. I never got to even get my career started; it was nearly a waste of a grad major. Joe, your advice is a little harsh for a young blind woman leaving home and moving to a new environment to obtain an advanced agree. Maybe you could provide her with some advocacy tips or systemic techniques which can assist her to overcome certain of those challenges. I'm not saying that you are wrong, but what you said does have merit, but if you can, please give her some pointers. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 1:47 PM To: 'NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] which graduate program Suzanne, I did not say blindness could not be a factor in researching future employment. I said using the strength of a disability service at a university was misguided, because it puts us in the frame of mind that future employment can be chosen on the strength of a disability service that isn't there. We may as well start to advocate for ourselves at the university level where there are far more resources than in the real world where the support systems are significantly less. Yes, one should be smart about choosing jobs where transportation is feasible. Yet, graduate school is approximately two years long. A little sacrifice is in order if the academics and job prospects after graduation are great. Besides, I specifically pointed out that considering public transit when choosing a school was a fair point. As to safety, no one advocated you be careless. My point is that whether or not an area is safe is subjective. Yes, talk to people about the general area, and try to find a location that seems reasonable. Yet, do not expect to find a completely satisfactory response, because what seems safe to one person will differ from what seems safe to someone else. We do not disagree as much as you think. I just wish you'd carefully read what I wrote before responding. Joe From: Suzanne Germano [mailto:sgermano at asu.edu] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:12 PM To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] which graduate program How can we not consider our blindness in a future job? For example if a company is miles from any bus stop then it is not an option unless you can afford a cab everyday. Para-transit only goes 3/4 mile off the bus route. Over the years, since I graduated high school in 1982, I have researched car pooling and it never panned out. So for transportation I do consider my vision when job hunting. It sucks but if I cannot get there, I cannot get there. And I would consider transportation around a school when looking at it's pros and cons even sighted people take into consideration things like how close are store etc. I see nothing wrong with wanting to choose a school that has good public transportation. And safe neighborhood, that has nothing to do with sight. I would not live in an unsafe neighborhood sighted or blind. Suzanne On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Joe wrote: Kelsey, I think it fair to ask what communities offer better public transportation. However, I'm not so sure the safety factor is going to give you any degree of satisfaction. There are great schools located in the midst of dubious neighborhoods. Take, for example, the University of Chicago, the Catholic University of America, Temple University, and the list goes on and on. If safety is a high priority, you may very well decide studying at home is your best bet. If you are going to start making blindness a factor in choosing a school, you're going to allow it to be a factor in choosing your future job. Yes, it would be great if some disability services offered excellent support. Unfortunately, most do not, and that's okay because in the working world the support is zero. You may as well grow some confidence about advocating for yourself now where the support systems are more plentiful in the academic arena. It's a little tough love. Yet, I assure you in the long run you'll be better for it. Pick the program based on its potential to give you the best training, the best investment of your time and money. The rest has a funny way of falling into place when you need it to. Joe -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program Hello, I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is totally blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area so that is something else to consider. Their office of students with disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my situation, which program would you choose and why? Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Sun Aug 4 20:10:57 2013 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 13:10:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program Message-ID: I've attended several universities, some of which have had excellent disability services programs in place and some of which have most definitely not. While I think Joe is certainly correct that a blind student can thrive in a school without strong disability resources and that this experience can offer valuable preparation for post-college life, I also feel that there's nothing at all wrong with taking the quality of various programs into account as a secondary factor. I'd advise students not to be deterred from attending their first-choice schools because of blindness-related hesitations or to pick a school because it seems especially "blind-friendly," but I also wouldn't want anyone to feel bad about seeking out blindness-related information that might make their decision easier in situations in which other factors turn out to be more-or-less equal. Blind students will always need to advocate for themselves; having access to even the best of disability services programs will never negate that, nor should it. It might, however, make life a bit less stressful and give students more time to focus on academics and other pursuits. That's not 100% necessary, as Joe reminds us, but it remains a positive thing when not considered to the exclusion of other factors, and I've never found it to detract from blind folks' ability to succeed in work environments later on. Lucy > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe" To: "'NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS'" Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 13:46:49 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] which graduate program >Suzanne, >I did not say blindness could not be a factor in researching future >employment. I said using the strength of a disability service at a >university was misguided, because it puts us in the frame of mind that >future employment can be chosen on the strength of a disability service that >isn't there. We may as well start to advocate for ourselves at the >university level where there are far more resources than in the real world >where the support systems are significantly less. >Yes, one should be smart about choosing jobs where transportation is >feasible. Yet, graduate school is approximately two years long. A little >sacrifice is in order if the academics and job prospects after graduation >are great. Besides, I specifically pointed out that considering public >transit when choosing a school was a fair point. >As to safety, no one advocated you be careless. My point is that whether or >not an area is safe is subjective. Yes, talk to people about the general >area, and try to find a location that seems reasonable. Yet, do not expect >to find a completely satisfactory response, because what seems safe to one >person will differ from what seems safe to someone else. >We do not disagree as much as you think. I just wish you'd carefully read >what I wrote before responding. >Joe >From: Suzanne Germano [mailto:sgermano at asu.edu] >Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:12 PM >To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] which graduate program >How can we not consider our blindness in a future job? >For example if a company is miles from any bus stop then it is not an option >unless you can afford a cab everyday. Para-transit only goes 3/4 mile off >the bus route. Over the years, since I graduated high school in 1982, I have >researched car pooling and it never panned out. So for transportation I do >consider my vision when job hunting. It sucks but if I cannot get there, I >cannot get there. >And I would consider transportation around a school when looking at it's >pros and cons even sighted people take into consideration things like how >close are store etc. I see nothing wrong with wanting to choose a school >that has good public transportation. >And safe neighborhood, that has nothing to do with sight. I would not live >in an unsafe neighborhood sighted or blind. >Suzanne >On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Joe wrote: >Kelsey, >I think it fair to ask what communities offer better public transportation. >However, I'm not so sure the safety factor is going to give you any degree >of satisfaction. There are great schools located in the midst of dubious >neighborhoods. Take, for example, the University of Chicago, the Catholic >University of America, Temple University, and the list goes on and on. If >safety is a high priority, you may very well decide studying at home is your >best bet. >If you are going to start making blindness a factor in choosing a school, >you're going to allow it to be a factor in choosing your future job. Yes, it >would be great if some disability services offered excellent support. >Unfortunately, most do not, and that's okay because in the working world the >support is zero. You may as well grow some confidence about advocating for >yourself now where the support systems are more plentiful in the academic >arena. >It's a little tough love. Yet, I assure you in the long run you'll be better >for it. Pick the program based on its potential to give you the best >training, the best investment of your time and money. The rest has a funny >way of falling into place when you need it to. >Joe >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay >Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program >Hello, >I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am >interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. >I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at >University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The >advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and >compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is >Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to >relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please >tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus >transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students >with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro >University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I >would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is >from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is totally >blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area >so that is something else to consider. Their office of students with >disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my >situation, which program would you choose and why? >Thanks in advance, >Kelsey Nicolay >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gm ail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as u.edu >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40earthlink.net From jty727 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 20:49:13 2013 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 16:49:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind Message-ID: Hi All, Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if any knew how the Free Matter for the Blind worked when sending items through the post mail? Do you have to sign up for something or can one send braille items and just write "Free Matter for the Blind"? Wasn't sure thanks in advance! Justin From annajee82 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 21:01:55 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 16:01:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well said Lucy. Anna E Givens On Aug 4, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Lucy Sirianni wrote: > I've attended several universities, some of which have had excellent disability services programs in place and some of which have most definitely not. While I think Joe is certainly correct that a blind student can thrive in a school without strong disability resources and that this experience can offer valuable preparation for post-college life, I also feel that there's nothing at all wrong with taking the quality of various programs into account as a secondary factor. I'd advise students not to be deterred from attending their first-choice schools because of blindness-related hesitations or to pick a school because it seems especially "blind-friendly," but I also wouldn't want anyone to feel bad about seeking out blindness-related information that might make their decision easier in situations in which other factors turn out to be more-or-less equal. Blind students will always need to advocate for themselves; having access to even the best of disability services programs will never negate that, nor should it. It might, however, make life a bit less stressful and give students more time to focus on academics and other pursuits. That's not 100% necessary, as Joe reminds us, but it remains a positive thing when not considered to the exclusion of other factors, and I've never found it to detract from blind folks' ability to succeed in work environments later on. > > Lucy > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joe" > To: "'NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS'" > Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 13:46:49 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] which graduate program > >> Suzanne, > > > >> I did not say blindness could not be a factor in researching > future >> employment. I said using the strength of a disability service at > a >> university was misguided, because it puts us in the frame of mind > that >> future employment can be chosen on the strength of a disability > service that >> isn't there. We may as well start to advocate for ourselves at > the >> university level where there are far more resources than in the > real world >> where the support systems are significantly less. > > > >> Yes, one should be smart about choosing jobs where transportation > is >> feasible. Yet, graduate school is approximately two years long. > A little >> sacrifice is in order if the academics and job prospects after > graduation >> are great. Besides, I specifically pointed out that considering > public >> transit when choosing a school was a fair point. > > > >> As to safety, no one advocated you be careless. My point is that > whether or >> not an area is safe is subjective. Yes, talk to people about the > general >> area, and try to find a location that seems reasonable. Yet, do > not expect >> to find a completely satisfactory response, because what seems > safe to one >> person will differ from what seems safe to someone else. > > > >> We do not disagree as much as you think. I just wish you'd > carefully read >> what I wrote before responding. > > > >> Joe > > > >> From: Suzanne Germano [mailto:sgermano at asu.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:12 PM >> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students > mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] which graduate program > > > >> How can we not consider our blindness in a future job? > >> For example if a company is miles from any bus stop then it is > not an option >> unless you can afford a cab everyday. Para-transit only goes 3/4 > mile off >> the bus route. Over the years, since I graduated high school in > 1982, I have >> researched car pooling and it never panned out. So for > transportation I do >> consider my vision when job hunting. It sucks but if I cannot > get there, I >> cannot get there. > >> And I would consider transportation around a school when looking > at it's >> pros and cons even sighted people take into consideration things > like how >> close are store etc. I see nothing wrong with wanting to choose > a school >> that has good public transportation. > >> And safe neighborhood, that has nothing to do with sight. I > would not live >> in an unsafe neighborhood sighted or blind. > >> Suzanne > > > >> On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Joe wrote: > >> Kelsey, > >> I think it fair to ask what communities offer better public > transportation. >> However, I'm not so sure the safety factor is going to give you > any degree >> of satisfaction. There are great schools located in the midst of > dubious >> neighborhoods. Take, for example, the University of Chicago, the > Catholic >> University of America, Temple University, and the list goes on > and on. If >> safety is a high priority, you may very well decide studying at > home is your >> best bet. > >> If you are going to start making blindness a factor in choosing a > school, >> you're going to allow it to be a factor in choosing your future > job. Yes, it >> would be great if some disability services offered excellent > support. >> Unfortunately, most do not, and that's okay because in the > working world the >> support is zero. You may as well grow some confidence about > advocating for >> yourself now where the support systems are more plentiful in the > academic >> arena. > >> It's a little tough love. Yet, I assure you in the long run > you'll be better >> for it. Pick the program based on its potential to give you the > best >> training, the best investment of your time and money. The rest > has a funny >> way of falling into place when you need it to. > >> Joe > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Kelsey Nicolay >> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program > >> Hello, >> I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I > am >> interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. >> I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is > at >> University of Akron which is the online program I posted about > before. The >> advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking > classes and >> compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second > progham is >> Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I > would need to >> relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you > please >> tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How > is the bus >> transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or > students >> with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is > Edinboro >> University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This > means I >> would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if > anyone is >> from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who > is totally >> blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the > Erie area >> so that is something else to consider. Their office of students > with >> disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in > my >> situation, which program would you choose and why? >> Thanks in advance, >> Kelsey Nicolay > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gm > ail.com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as > u.edu > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% > 40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 21:09:34 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 16:09:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74A48A4B-9A9B-435C-B00A-B8F5BAF0875B@gmail.com> I have no idea. I imagine you can find this info on usps. But you probably have to go to the post office, they would know. But what do you need it for anyway? I have never really understood the point of Free matter for the blind. I mean, free stuff is cool... But, I dont get it...... ??? Anna E Givens On Aug 4, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Justin Young wrote: > Hi All, > > Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if any knew how the Free > Matter for the Blind worked when sending items through the post mail? > Do you have to sign up for something or can one send braille items and > just write "Free Matter for the Blind"? Wasn't sure thanks in > advance! > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 21:37:34 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 17:37:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, You don't need to sign up to use the free matter for the blind. Just write it in the upper right section of the envelope, where postage would go. There are also stamps and stickers. They are available to purchase online, though I can't remember who sells them. They are great for people whose handwriting is not the best, like mine. If I wrote on the envelope, they would give it back as illegible! Do keep in mind that Free Matter for the Blind is not just for Braille. You can also send large print, font size fourteen or larger, but it must be typed. Anything handwritten in the envelope, such as a check or written note for the blind recipient's sighted family member, will exclude the entire envelope's or package's contents from being shipped through this program. Other things that can be shipped Free Matter for the Blind include tapes and CDs, slates and styli, and, if I remember right, Braille paper, such as would be used in an embosser. You should be able to find the complete guidelines for what can and cannot be sent if you Google for it. Hope this helps, Jewel Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Justin Young wrote: > Hi All, > > Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if any knew how the Free > Matter for the Blind worked when sending items through the post mail? > Do you have to sign up for something or can one send braille items and > just write "Free Matter for the Blind"? Wasn't sure thanks in > advance! > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 21:41:36 2013 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:41:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to the Student Slate Message-ID: <51fecab8.6297ec0a.1f94.4f75@mx.google.com> Hi everyone I have a question for you. I am trying to subscribe to the Student Slate. When I go to the Nabs website I can get to the link for the Student Slate just fineddWhen I click the link to subscribe or read the magazine it says page not found. Can someone from the Student Slate committe subscribe me to the magazine? How will I receive the magazine? Please respond as soon as possible. From jty727 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 21:43:57 2013 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 17:43:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh thanks Jewel. I recall I've seen it on various items I've got in the past and was curious about it. Thanks so much! Justin On 8/4/13, Jewel wrote: > Hi, > You don't need to sign up to use the free matter for the blind. Just write > it in the upper right section of the envelope, where postage would go. There > are also stamps and stickers. They are available to purchase online, though > I can't remember who sells them. They are great for people whose handwriting > is not the best, like mine. If I wrote on the envelope, they would give it > back as illegible! > Do keep in mind that Free Matter for the Blind is not just for Braille. You > can also send large print, font size fourteen or larger, but it must be > typed. Anything handwritten in the envelope, such as a check or written note > for the blind recipient's sighted family member, will exclude the entire > envelope's or package's contents from being shipped through this program. > Other things that can be shipped Free Matter for the Blind include tapes and > CDs, slates and styli, and, if I remember right, Braille paper, such as > would be used in an embosser. > You should be able to find the complete guidelines for what can and cannot > be sent if you Google for it. > Hope this helps, > Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Justin Young wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if any knew how the Free >> Matter for the Blind worked when sending items through the post mail? >> Do you have to sign up for something or can one send braille items and >> just write "Free Matter for the Blind"? Wasn't sure thanks in >> advance! >> >> Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 22:14:08 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 18:14:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81773764-05BB-4A7B-8FE4-A96F0ABBE85C@gmail.com> You are very welcome, Justin! And for the person who thinks Free Matter for the Blind is not useful, consider this. This is the program that allows the Library of Congress to send Braille books, large print books, and digital books to people all across the country. Also, consider the cost of sending a Braille book versus a print book, especially when the Braille book may be fore or even more volumes. Consider the cost of sending a letter on tape to a penpal versus sending one handwritten or typed in small font. Even if the letter is just a little bigger, say font size fourteen, it will probably require more postage than if it were font size ten. I don't know the exact comparative costs, but I can promise you that if the Library of Congress had to pay shipping, they would quickly go to downloads only, leaving thousands of clients who don't have access to a computer, either on a regular basis or at all, without equal access to books, magazines, and other offered media. That, I believe, would be a real shame and an outrage. At the same time, buying a Braille or large print book online and having it shipped to you would soon become prohibitive to many people who already have a hard time making the book purchase, because many blind people are unemployed and living in poverty off SSDI and SSI. Making the shipping of Braille and large print books more expensive than regular print books simply because of how people read would lead to inequality of access to the printed word. Its not like we can just go to our local bookstore to buy a Braille book... We almost always have to have it shipped to us. I apologize for the length of this message, but as you can see, I am a strong supporter of the Free Matter for the Blind program. It gives blind people equality and opportunity that would simply not be there without the program. Sincerely, Jewel Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:43 PM, Justin Young wrote: > Oh thanks Jewel. I recall I've seen it on various items I've got in > the past and was curious about it. Thanks so much! > > Justin > > On 8/4/13, Jewel wrote: >> Hi, >> You don't need to sign up to use the free matter for the blind. Just write >> it in the upper right section of the envelope, where postage would go. There >> are also stamps and stickers. They are available to purchase online, though >> I can't remember who sells them. They are great for people whose handwriting >> is not the best, like mine. If I wrote on the envelope, they would give it >> back as illegible! >> Do keep in mind that Free Matter for the Blind is not just for Braille. You >> can also send large print, font size fourteen or larger, but it must be >> typed. Anything handwritten in the envelope, such as a check or written note >> for the blind recipient's sighted family member, will exclude the entire >> envelope's or package's contents from being shipped through this program. >> Other things that can be shipped Free Matter for the Blind include tapes and >> CDs, slates and styli, and, if I remember right, Braille paper, such as >> would be used in an embosser. >> You should be able to find the complete guidelines for what can and cannot >> be sent if you Google for it. >> Hope this helps, >> Jewel >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Justin Young wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if any knew how the Free >>> Matter for the Blind worked when sending items through the post mail? >>> Do you have to sign up for something or can one send braille items and >>> just write "Free Matter for the Blind"? Wasn't sure thanks in >>> advance! >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 22:44:35 2013 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 18:44:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program In-Reply-To: <004201ce9144$15240990$3f6c1cb0$@gmail.com> References: <51fd0f7e.8468ec0a.6c81.ffffd61c@mx.google.com> <001501ce90a0$9a64afa0$cf2e0ee0$@gmail.com> <000901ce913a$9957c580$cc075080$@gmail.com> <004201ce9144$15240990$3f6c1cb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005601ce9164$32b3e2d0$981ba870$@gmail.com> Hi Justin, I thought my post was full of pointers. LOL Maybe I'm just full of it, but okay, here goes: To Kelsey, If you want to choose the school you want based on nothing more than academic strengths, this is how I would advocate for myself. This is not saying transportation is irrelevant or that you should not feel safe about your surroundings. This is just speaking to the point about advocacy. * Introduce yourself to the professors well in advance of the first day of class. Tell them you're blind/visually impaired, and make a list of things you may need assistance and more importantly, what you can handle just fine. Make them feel comfortable that you will not be an overbearing burden to them. Send an e-mail, and then follow up with a phone call so they can associate a voice to the writer. Skip the call and drop by their office before the semester starts if that is possible. The point is to eliminate the surprise factor your first day of class. * Make yourself the central point of contact. Some professors want to make the campus disability service the fallback for everything. Don't let that happen. No one knows better what you need than you yourself. * Don't be shy about making friends and work within these friendships to get assistance with reading some class material. That doesn't mean mooch off them. It means work with them to digest the material they need to review anyway. The fact that everyone is older in graduate school does not mean study groups fell out of fashion. * Be your own best organizer. Merge your syllabi into your own comprehensive planner so you can anticipate important dates. When exams approach, take steps to ensure everything is in place for you. It's better to ask a lot of questions and be sure than to make assumptions and be stuck. * Document everything. If you have a conversation in person or via telephone, send a follow-up e-mail to capture what was agreed to in writing. This will prove a valuable strategy in life in general. Some people think this is paranoia. It's not. It's preparedness and good record keeping. No matter where you go, you have to trust things will be fine. You've been through an undergraduate program. Things really aren't so different in graduate school except maybe the people are smarter and more focused because most of them really want to be there. If you're a young woman leaving her house for an extended period for the first time, I mean, I don't know what you think you're expecting. It's life. Sometimes you have to sink before you swim, but no one here would ever let you drown, including a no nonsense person like myself. I was amused to learn my disability services in graduate school did not know I existed until graduation day. This lady comes running up to me and is like, "where did you come from, and why did you never identify yourself to us?" In my case I'd grown used to working things out with my professors and never felt compelled to talk to their office. Our program was off campus, and I saw no need to take time off work to go see them during the day. My point here is not to beat my chest and say, "look at how awesome I am." The point is that if a monkey like me can get by, you can do it better. As questions come up, post them here. Sometimes you'll get sweet messages, and sometimes you'll get a kick in the ass. Sometimes you'll discover you need both to get by. Joe -----Original Message----- From: justin williams [mailto:justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 2:55 PM To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: RE: [nabs-l] which graduate program Keep in mind that if your blindness skills, and resources for accessibility aren't all in alignment, then no matter how good the university's education, you can't avail yourself of its benefits. Get the most bang for your buck between safety, the disability office, public transportation, and the education program. Also, make sure you like the people. I was in a graduate program for two years more than ten years ago. Despite having the other factors in alignment, I ended up getting black listed from the get go, and I didn't like most of my colleagues. I never got to even get my career started; it was nearly a waste of a grad major. Joe, your advice is a little harsh for a young blind woman leaving home and moving to a new environment to obtain an advanced agree. Maybe you could provide her with some advocacy tips or systemic techniques which can assist her to overcome certain of those challenges. I'm not saying that you are wrong, but what you said does have merit, but if you can, please give her some pointers. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 1:47 PM To: 'NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] which graduate program Suzanne, I did not say blindness could not be a factor in researching future employment. I said using the strength of a disability service at a university was misguided, because it puts us in the frame of mind that future employment can be chosen on the strength of a disability service that isn't there. We may as well start to advocate for ourselves at the university level where there are far more resources than in the real world where the support systems are significantly less. Yes, one should be smart about choosing jobs where transportation is feasible. Yet, graduate school is approximately two years long. A little sacrifice is in order if the academics and job prospects after graduation are great. Besides, I specifically pointed out that considering public transit when choosing a school was a fair point. As to safety, no one advocated you be careless. My point is that whether or not an area is safe is subjective. Yes, talk to people about the general area, and try to find a location that seems reasonable. Yet, do not expect to find a completely satisfactory response, because what seems safe to one person will differ from what seems safe to someone else. We do not disagree as much as you think. I just wish you'd carefully read what I wrote before responding. Joe From: Suzanne Germano [mailto:sgermano at asu.edu] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:12 PM To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] which graduate program How can we not consider our blindness in a future job? For example if a company is miles from any bus stop then it is not an option unless you can afford a cab everyday. Para-transit only goes 3/4 mile off the bus route. Over the years, since I graduated high school in 1982, I have researched car pooling and it never panned out. So for transportation I do consider my vision when job hunting. It sucks but if I cannot get there, I cannot get there. And I would consider transportation around a school when looking at it's pros and cons even sighted people take into consideration things like how close are store etc. I see nothing wrong with wanting to choose a school that has good public transportation. And safe neighborhood, that has nothing to do with sight. I would not live in an unsafe neighborhood sighted or blind. Suzanne On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Joe wrote: Kelsey, I think it fair to ask what communities offer better public transportation. However, I'm not so sure the safety factor is going to give you any degree of satisfaction. There are great schools located in the midst of dubious neighborhoods. Take, for example, the University of Chicago, the Catholic University of America, Temple University, and the list goes on and on. If safety is a high priority, you may very well decide studying at home is your best bet. If you are going to start making blindness a factor in choosing a school, you're going to allow it to be a factor in choosing your future job. Yes, it would be great if some disability services offered excellent support. Unfortunately, most do not, and that's okay because in the working world the support is zero. You may as well grow some confidence about advocating for yourself now where the support systems are more plentiful in the academic arena. It's a little tough love. Yet, I assure you in the long run you'll be better for it. Pick the program based on its potential to give you the best training, the best investment of your time and money. The rest has a funny way of falling into place when you need it to. Joe -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] which graduate program Hello, I would like some of your opinions on this. I just posted that I am interested in a graduate program in speech-language pathobogy. I have found three programs so far that sound interested. One is at University of Akron which is the online program I posted about before. The advantage to this one is that I can live at home while taking classes and compaete clinicals in my hometown of Medina, Ohio. The second progham is Ohio State University. My concern with Ohio State is that I would need to relocate to Columbus. Therefore, someone from that area, can you please tell me what the safety of that neighborhood would be like? How is the bus transportation? Do they offer any discounts for osu students or students with disabilities? The final phogram I have found so far is Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. They are a two-year program. This means I would need to relocate to Edinboro. What is it like there, if anyone is from that area? Is it a relatively safe community for someone who is totally blind? They do offer free bus transfortation on campus and in the Erie area so that is something else to consider. Their office of students with disabilities is also national ranked. Therefore, if you were in my situation, which program would you choose and why? Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From annajee82 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 22:49:27 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 17:49:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind In-Reply-To: <81773764-05BB-4A7B-8FE4-A96F0ABBE85C@gmail.com> References: <81773764-05BB-4A7B-8FE4-A96F0ABBE85C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <94C272EF-6847-49FB-AF7B-57E4553F5A95@gmail.com> No no.... I am new to all this and said I did not understand it.... Thats all! Thank u for an explanation. It is appreciated. There are many other things I do not understand as well. So I have to ask. Anna E Givens On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Jewel wrote: > You are very welcome, Justin! And for the person who thinks Free Matter for the Blind is not useful, consider this. This is the program that allows the Library of Congress to send Braille books, large print books, and digital books to people all across the country. Also, consider the cost of sending a Braille book versus a print book, especially when the Braille book may be fore or even more volumes. Consider the cost of sending a letter on tape to a penpal versus sending one handwritten or typed in small font. Even if the letter is just a little bigger, say font size fourteen, it will probably require more postage than if it were font size ten. I don't know the exact comparative costs, but I can promise you that if the Library of Congress had to pay shipping, they would quickly go to downloads only, leaving thousands of clients who don't have access to a computer, either on a regular basis or at all, without equal access to books, magazines, and other offered media. That, I believe, would be a real shame and an outrage. At the same time, buying a Braille or large print book online and having it shipped to you would soon become prohibitive to many people who already have a hard time making the book purchase, because many blind people are unemployed and living in poverty off SSDI and SSI. Making the shipping of Braille and large print books more expensive than regular print books simply because of how people read would lead to inequality of access to the printed word. Its not like we can just go to our local bookstore to buy a Braille book... We almost always have to have it shipped to us. > I apologize for the length of this message, but as you can see, I am a strong supporter of the Free Matter for the Blind program. It gives blind people equality and opportunity that would simply not be there without the program. > Sincerely, > Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:43 PM, Justin Young wrote: > >> Oh thanks Jewel. I recall I've seen it on various items I've got in >> the past and was curious about it. Thanks so much! >> >> Justin >> >> On 8/4/13, Jewel wrote: >>> Hi, >>> You don't need to sign up to use the free matter for the blind. Just write >>> it in the upper right section of the envelope, where postage would go. There >>> are also stamps and stickers. They are available to purchase online, though >>> I can't remember who sells them. They are great for people whose handwriting >>> is not the best, like mine. If I wrote on the envelope, they would give it >>> back as illegible! >>> Do keep in mind that Free Matter for the Blind is not just for Braille. You >>> can also send large print, font size fourteen or larger, but it must be >>> typed. Anything handwritten in the envelope, such as a check or written note >>> for the blind recipient's sighted family member, will exclude the entire >>> envelope's or package's contents from being shipped through this program. >>> Other things that can be shipped Free Matter for the Blind include tapes and >>> CDs, slates and styli, and, if I remember right, Braille paper, such as >>> would be used in an embosser. >>> You should be able to find the complete guidelines for what can and cannot >>> be sent if you Google for it. >>> Hope this helps, >>> Jewel >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Justin Young wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if any knew how the Free >>>> Matter for the Blind worked when sending items through the post mail? >>>> Do you have to sign up for something or can one send braille items and >>>> just write "Free Matter for the Blind"? Wasn't sure thanks in >>>> advance! >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 4 22:49:50 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 18:49:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to the Student Slate In-Reply-To: <51fecab8.6297ec0a.1f94.4f75@mx.google.com> References: <51fecab8.6297ec0a.1f94.4f75@mx.google.com> Message-ID: you cannot subscribe to the slate. Its available for download from the nabs site though. Its also posted here. So being subscribed to this list is like subscribing to the slate too, IMO. -----Original Message----- From: Roanna Baccchus Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 5:41 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to the Student Slate Hi everyone I have a question for you. I am trying to subscribe to the Student Slate. When I go to the Nabs website I can get to the link for the Student Slate just fineddWhen I click the link to subscribe or read the magazine it says page not found. Can someone from the Student Slate committe subscribe me to the magazine? How will I receive the magazine? Please respond as soon as possible. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 23:01:07 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:01:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind In-Reply-To: <94C272EF-6847-49FB-AF7B-57E4553F5A95@gmail.com> References: <81773764-05BB-4A7B-8FE4-A96F0ABBE85C@gmail.com> <94C272EF-6847-49FB-AF7B-57E4553F5A95@gmail.com> Message-ID: <676DF831-13A8-47D7-A143-0BF9317E2D91@gmail.com> I apologize for misunderstanding your message. I hope that my email gives you an idea of what the Free Matter for the Blind program is all about and its importance to blind people and organizations, programs, and companies serving blind people's reading needs and desires. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them here or by emailing me directly. If I don't know the answer, I will do my best to find it. Again, apologies for the misunderstanding. -Jewel Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > No no.... I am new to all this and said I did not understand it.... Thats all! Thank u for an explanation. It is appreciated. > There are many other things I do not understand as well. > So I have to ask. > Anna E Givens > > On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Jewel wrote: > >> You are very welcome, Justin! And for the person who thinks Free Matter for the Blind is not useful, consider this. This is the program that allows the Library of Congress to send Braille books, large print books, and digital books to people all across the country. Also, consider the cost of sending a Braille book versus a print book, especially when the Braille book may be fore or even more volumes. Consider the cost of sending a letter on tape to a penpal versus sending one handwritten or typed in small font. Even if the letter is just a little bigger, say font size fourteen, it will probably require more postage than if it were font size ten. I don't know the exact comparative costs, but I can promise you that if the Library of Congress had to pay shipping, they would quickly go to downloads only, leaving thousands of clients who don't have access to a computer, either on a regular basis or at all, without equal access to books, magazines, and other offered media. That, I believe, would be a real shame and an outrage. At the same time, buying a Braille or large print book online and having it shipped to you would soon become prohibitive to many people who already have a hard time making the book purchase, because many blind people are unemployed and living in poverty off SSDI and SSI. Making the shipping of Braille and large print books more expensive than regular print books simply because of how people read would lead to inequality of access to the printed word. Its not like we can just go to our local bookstore to buy a Braille book... We almost always have to have it shipped to us. >> I apologize for the length of this message, but as you can see, I am a strong supporter of the Free Matter for the Blind program. It gives blind people equality and opportunity that would simply not be there without the program. >> Sincerely, >> Jewel >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:43 PM, Justin Young wrote: >> >>> Oh thanks Jewel. I recall I've seen it on various items I've got in >>> the past and was curious about it. Thanks so much! >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> On 8/4/13, Jewel wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> You don't need to sign up to use the free matter for the blind. Just write >>>> it in the upper right section of the envelope, where postage would go. There >>>> are also stamps and stickers. They are available to purchase online, though >>>> I can't remember who sells them. They are great for people whose handwriting >>>> is not the best, like mine. If I wrote on the envelope, they would give it >>>> back as illegible! >>>> Do keep in mind that Free Matter for the Blind is not just for Braille. You >>>> can also send large print, font size fourteen or larger, but it must be >>>> typed. Anything handwritten in the envelope, such as a check or written note >>>> for the blind recipient's sighted family member, will exclude the entire >>>> envelope's or package's contents from being shipped through this program. >>>> Other things that can be shipped Free Matter for the Blind include tapes and >>>> CDs, slates and styli, and, if I remember right, Braille paper, such as >>>> would be used in an embosser. >>>> You should be able to find the complete guidelines for what can and cannot >>>> be sent if you Google for it. >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> Jewel >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Justin Young wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if any knew how the Free >>>>> Matter for the Blind worked when sending items through the post mail? >>>>> Do you have to sign up for something or can one send braille items and >>>>> just write "Free Matter for the Blind"? Wasn't sure thanks in >>>>> advance! >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 23:19:41 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 18:19:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind In-Reply-To: <676DF831-13A8-47D7-A143-0BF9317E2D91@gmail.com> References: <81773764-05BB-4A7B-8FE4-A96F0ABBE85C@gmail.com> <94C272EF-6847-49FB-AF7B-57E4553F5A95@gmail.com> <676DF831-13A8-47D7-A143-0BF9317E2D91@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes I appreciate the explanation, I am still a little confused as to how individuals use it. I mean I just thought it was for places that ship books, etc. i did not know that it was for anybody on an individual basis.... Then again.... I never thought about it. Anna E Givens On Aug 4, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Jewel wrote: > I apologize for misunderstanding your message. I hope that my email gives you an idea of what the Free Matter for the Blind program is all about and its importance to blind people and organizations, programs, and companies serving blind people's reading needs and desires. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them here or by emailing me directly. If I don't know the answer, I will do my best to find it. Again, apologies for the misunderstanding. > -Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 4, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > >> No no.... I am new to all this and said I did not understand it.... Thats all! Thank u for an explanation. It is appreciated. >> There are many other things I do not understand as well. >> So I have to ask. >> Anna E Givens >> >> On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Jewel wrote: >> >>> You are very welcome, Justin! And for the person who thinks Free Matter for the Blind is not useful, consider this. This is the program that allows the Library of Congress to send Braille books, large print books, and digital books to people all across the country. Also, consider the cost of sending a Braille book versus a print book, especially when the Braille book may be fore or even more volumes. Consider the cost of sending a letter on tape to a penpal versus sending one handwritten or typed in small font. Even if the letter is just a little bigger, say font size fourteen, it will probably require more postage than if it were font size ten. I don't know the exact comparative costs, but I can promise you that if the Library of Congress had to pay shipping, they would quickly go to downloads only, leaving thousands of clients who don't have access to a computer, either on a regular basis or at all, without equal access to books, magazines, and other offered media. That, I believe, would be a real shame and an outrage. At the same time, buying a Braille or large print book online and having it shipped to you would soon become prohibitive to many people who already have a hard time making the book purchase, because many blind people are unemployed and living in poverty off SSDI and SSI. Making the shipping of Braille and large print books more expensive than regular print books simply because of how people read would lead to inequality of access to the printed word. Its not like we can just go to our local bookstore to buy a Braille book... We almost always have to have it shipped to us. >>> I apologize for the length of this message, but as you can see, I am a strong supporter of the Free Matter for the Blind program. It gives blind people equality and opportunity that would simply not be there without the program. >>> Sincerely, >>> Jewel >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:43 PM, Justin Young wrote: >>> >>>> Oh thanks Jewel. I recall I've seen it on various items I've got in >>>> the past and was curious about it. Thanks so much! >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> On 8/4/13, Jewel wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> You don't need to sign up to use the free matter for the blind. Just write >>>>> it in the upper right section of the envelope, where postage would go. There >>>>> are also stamps and stickers. They are available to purchase online, though >>>>> I can't remember who sells them. They are great for people whose handwriting >>>>> is not the best, like mine. If I wrote on the envelope, they would give it >>>>> back as illegible! >>>>> Do keep in mind that Free Matter for the Blind is not just for Braille. You >>>>> can also send large print, font size fourteen or larger, but it must be >>>>> typed. Anything handwritten in the envelope, such as a check or written note >>>>> for the blind recipient's sighted family member, will exclude the entire >>>>> envelope's or package's contents from being shipped through this program. >>>>> Other things that can be shipped Free Matter for the Blind include tapes and >>>>> CDs, slates and styli, and, if I remember right, Braille paper, such as >>>>> would be used in an embosser. >>>>> You should be able to find the complete guidelines for what can and cannot >>>>> be sent if you Google for it. >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> Jewel >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Justin Young wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if any knew how the Free >>>>>> Matter for the Blind worked when sending items through the post mail? >>>>>> Do you have to sign up for something or can one send braille items and >>>>>> just write "Free Matter for the Blind"? Wasn't sure thanks in >>>>>> advance! >>>>>> >>>>>> Justin >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 00:07:27 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille Message-ID: Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe someone else has been through this: I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that I can use it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to speech, for me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand is to not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take anti-inflammatory meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, also use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse and worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is just going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very frustrating! I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It is my decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like that? And what did you do? Anna E Givens From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 00:09:49 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:09:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: <81773764-05BB-4A7B-8FE4-A96F0ABBE85C@gmail.com> <94C272EF-6847-49FB-AF7B-57E4553F5A95@gmail.com> <676DF831-13A8-47D7-A143-0BF9317E2D91@gmail.com> Message-ID: Individuals use it mainly for sending Braille or large print letters or sending recorded material to another individual or an organization. For example, I had a penpal who didn't have regular access to a computer, so we sent Braille letters back and forth, and he sent me old radio program's he had recorded onto tapes. We used Free Matter for the Blind to send these materials back and forth. Another example is Hadley, which has teachers and students sending Braille and recorded material back and forth throughout the course of a class. While the initial material for a class is sent from Hadley headquarters, the material sent between teacher and student is directly from home to home, because the students and teachers live all over the United States international student's have to pay postage since this is an American only program. I hope that clarifies how individuals use the program. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > Yes I appreciate the explanation, I am still a little confused as to how individuals use it. I mean I just thought it was for places that ship books, etc. i did not know that it was for anybody on an individual basis.... Then again.... I never thought about it. > > Anna E Givens > > On Aug 4, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Jewel wrote: > >> I apologize for misunderstanding your message. I hope that my email gives you an idea of what the Free Matter for the Blind program is all about and its importance to blind people and organizations, programs, and companies serving blind people's reading needs and desires. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them here or by emailing me directly. If I don't know the answer, I will do my best to find it. Again, apologies for the misunderstanding. >> -Jewel >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 4, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >> >>> No no.... I am new to all this and said I did not understand it.... Thats all! Thank u for an explanation. It is appreciated. >>> There are many other things I do not understand as well. >>> So I have to ask. >>> Anna E Givens >>> >>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Jewel wrote: >>> >>>> You are very welcome, Justin! And for the person who thinks Free Matter for the Blind is not useful, consider this. This is the program that allows the Library of Congress to send Braille books, large print books, and digital books to people all across the country. Also, consider the cost of sending a Braille book versus a print book, especially when the Braille book may be fore or even more volumes. Consider the cost of sending a letter on tape to a penpal versus sending one handwritten or typed in small font. Even if the letter is just a little bigger, say font size fourteen, it will probably require more postage than if it were font size ten. I don't know the exact comparative costs, but I can promise you that if the Library of Congress had to pay shipping, they would quickly go to downloads only, leaving thousands of clients who don't have access to a computer, either on a regular basis or at all, without equal access to books, magazines, and other offered media. That, I believe, would be a real shame and an outrage. At the same time, buying a Braille or large print book online and having it shipped to you would soon become prohibitive to many people who already have a hard time making the book purchase, because many blind people are unemployed and living in poverty off SSDI and SSI. Making the shipping of Braille and large print books more expensive than regular print books simply because of how people read would lead to inequality of access to the printed word. Its not like we can just go to our local bookstore to buy a Braille book... We almost always have to have it shipped to us. >>>> I apologize for the length of this message, but as you can see, I am a strong supporter of the Free Matter for the Blind program. It gives blind people equality and opportunity that would simply not be there without the program. >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Jewel >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:43 PM, Justin Young wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh thanks Jewel. I recall I've seen it on various items I've got in >>>>> the past and was curious about it. Thanks so much! >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> On 8/4/13, Jewel wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> You don't need to sign up to use the free matter for the blind. Just write >>>>>> it in the upper right section of the envelope, where postage would go. There >>>>>> are also stamps and stickers. They are available to purchase online, though >>>>>> I can't remember who sells them. They are great for people whose handwriting >>>>>> is not the best, like mine. If I wrote on the envelope, they would give it >>>>>> back as illegible! >>>>>> Do keep in mind that Free Matter for the Blind is not just for Braille. You >>>>>> can also send large print, font size fourteen or larger, but it must be >>>>>> typed. Anything handwritten in the envelope, such as a check or written note >>>>>> for the blind recipient's sighted family member, will exclude the entire >>>>>> envelope's or package's contents from being shipped through this program. >>>>>> Other things that can be shipped Free Matter for the Blind include tapes and >>>>>> CDs, slates and styli, and, if I remember right, Braille paper, such as >>>>>> would be used in an embosser. >>>>>> You should be able to find the complete guidelines for what can and cannot >>>>>> be sent if you Google for it. >>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>> Jewel >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Justin Young wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if any knew how the Free >>>>>>> Matter for the Blind worked when sending items through the post mail? >>>>>>> Do you have to sign up for something or can one send braille items and >>>>>>> just write "Free Matter for the Blind"? Wasn't sure thanks in >>>>>>> advance! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Justin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Mon Aug 5 00:27:12 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:27:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to the Student Slate In-Reply-To: <51fecab8.6297ec0a.1f94.4f75@mx.google.com> References: <51fecab8.6297ec0a.1f94.4f75@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Roanna, I am not quite sure exactly what the subscription for the Student Slate is, but it would appear as though there are currently some issues with the website. I would suspect they may be in the process of updating it, but I do not know for sure. I received an issue of the Student Slate just before national convention, but I never saw it posted to the list for those who do not have an individual subscription. Therefore, I am posting it as an attachment for those who may be interested in reading it while they work on the website. I found it to be a good read. I hope you find this information to be helpful. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Roanna Baccchus" Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 5:41 PM To: Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to the Student Slate > Hi everyone I have a question for you. I am trying to subscribe to the > Student Slate. When I go to the Nabs website I can get to the link for > the Student Slate just fineddWhen I click the link to subscribe or read > the magazine it says page not found. Can someone from the Student Slate > committe subscribe me to the magazine? How will I receive the magazine? > Please respond as soon as possible. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Summer_2013_0.doc Type: application/msword Size: 102912 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Mon Aug 5 00:41:04 2013 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:41:04 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille Message-ID: Hi Anna, I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've experienced severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so I do a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to other formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in ice-water; I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to consider taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that reading in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and ultimately make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to your doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has been a recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not to mention painful. Very best of luck in dealing with this! Lucy >----- Original Message ----- >From: Anna Givens To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe someone else has been through this: >I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that I can use it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to speech, for me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand is to not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take anti-inflammatory meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, also use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse and worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is just going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very frustrating! I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It is my decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like that? And what did you do? >Anna E Givens >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40earthlink.net From annajee82 at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 00:51:29 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:51:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <772D4B6B-7707-406F-91CB-2D987EFBDFFA@gmail.com> Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very glad to hear about it, because I have asked around and I couldn't find anyone who had had this experience. I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part of the problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... Anti-inflammatory,ice, physical therapy, and wrist brace. And then he said, The best treatment is to not use your hand. But that is very unrealistic, for anyone. So just try to not use it as much as possible, and when reading relax it as much as possible. So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now that I am reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. Did your pain go away? Or do you still have it? Thanks! Anna E Givens On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni wrote: > Hi Anna, > > I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've experienced severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so I do a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to other formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in ice-water; I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. > > My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to consider taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that reading in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and ultimately make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to your doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? > > I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has been a recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not to mention painful. > > Very best of luck in dealing with this! > > Lucy > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anna Givens > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > >> Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be > solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe someone else has been through this: >> I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use > it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that I can use it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to speech, for me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand is to not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take anti-inflammatory meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, also use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse and worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is just going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very frustrating! I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It is my decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like that? And what did you do? > >> Anna E Givens >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% > 40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 01:05:13 2013 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 21:05:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rewh which grad program Message-ID: <51fef9b9.e8c6ec0a.176f.ffff9c71@mx.google.com> I think Suzanne is right. If there are no buses within walking distance of a job, it is not feasible. Medina does not have public transportation other than door-to-door transfortN for people with disabilities. That is why I listed the Edinboro program because they offer free bus transportation for all students, not just for students with disabilities. I think it's a suburb, so I wouldn't be downtown anyway but with ohio state and Akron, I would be. But at Akron, I could live at home and study online but it would take me four years as opposed to the two it would take me at the other two. From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Mon Aug 5 01:05:48 2013 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 18:05:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille Message-ID: For me, the pain comes and goes. Since I've started icing regularly, it's definitely lessened overtime, though I still sometimes experience pain, especially if I've been reading and writing more than usual. I hope yours gets better, too, and if you find anything that helps, I'd love to hear about it! Lucy > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Anna Givens To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:51:29 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very glad to hear about it, because I have asked around and I couldn't find anyone who had had this experience. >I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part of the problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... Anti-inflammatory,ice, physical therapy, and wrist brace. And then he said, The best treatment is to not use your hand. But that is very unrealistic, for anyone. So just try to not use it as much as possible, and when reading relax it as much as possible. >So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now that I am reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. Did your pain go away? Or do you still have it? >Thanks! >Anna E Givens >On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni wrote: >> Hi Anna, >> I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've experienced severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so I do a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to other formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in ice-water; I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. >> My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to consider taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that reading in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and ultimately make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to your doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? >> I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has been a recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not to mention painful. >> Very best of luck in dealing with this! >> Lucy >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Anna Givens >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >>> Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be >> solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe someone else has been through this: >>> I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use >> it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that I can use it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to speech, for me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand is to not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take anti-inflammatory meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, also use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse and worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is just going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very frustrating! I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It is my decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like that? And what did you do? >>> Anna E Givens >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% >> 40earthlink.net >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40g mail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40earthlink.net From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Aug 5 01:25:13 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 18:25:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind In-Reply-To: <81773764-05BB-4A7B-8FE4-A96F0ABBE85C@gmail.com> References: <81773764-05BB-4A7B-8FE4-A96F0ABBE85C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130804182233.021034e8@comcast.net> Sing it, sister Jewele! Could not have articulated this better than you. Is the Are they gonna do to the FMB program gonna the same way they did the post offices? What a sad, sad thing! Like the postoffices, sad and utterly shameful! Car 4/2013, Jewel wrote: >You are very welcome, Justin! And for the person who thinks Free >Matter for the Blind is not useful, consider this. This is the >program that allows the Library of Congress to send Braille books, >large print books, and digital books to people all across the >country. Also, consider the cost of sending a Braille book versus a >print book, especially when the Braille book may be fore or even >more volumes. Consider the cost of sending a letter on tape to a >penpal versus sending one handwritten or typed in small font. Even >if the letter is just a little bigger, say font size fourteen, it >will probably require more postage than if it were font size ten. I >don't know the exact comparative costs, but I can promise you that >if the Library of Congress had to pay shipping, they would quickly >go to downloads only, leaving thousands of clients who don't have >access to a computer, either on a regular basis or at all, without >equal access to books, magazines, and other offered media. That, I >believe, would be a real shame and an outrage. At the same time, >buying a Braille or large print book online and having it shipped to >you would soon become prohibitive to many people who already have a >hard time making the book purchase, because many blind people are >unemployed and living in poverty off SSDI and SSI. Making the >shipping of Braille and large print books more expensive than >regular print books simply because of how people read would lead to >inequality of access to the printed word. Its not like we can just >go to our local bookstore to buy a Braille book... We almost always >have to have it shipped to us. >I apologize for the length of this message, but as you can see, I am >a strong supporter of the Free Matter for the Blind program. It >gives blind people equality and opportunity that would simply not be >there without the program. >Sincerely, >Jewel > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:43 PM, Justin Young wrote: > > > Oh thanks Jewel. I recall I've seen it on various items I've got in > > the past and was curious about it. Thanks so much! > > > > Justin > > > > On 8/4/13, Jewel wrote: > >> Hi, > >> You don't need to sign up to use the free matter for the blind. Just write > >> it in the upper right section of the envelope, where postage > would go. There > >> are also stamps and stickers. They are available to purchase > online, though > >> I can't remember who sells them. They are great for people whose > handwriting > >> is not the best, like mine. If I wrote on the envelope, they would give it > >> back as illegible! > >> Do keep in mind that Free Matter for the Blind is not just for > Braille. You > >> can also send large print, font size fourteen or larger, but it must be > >> typed. Anything handwritten in the envelope, such as a check or > written note > >> for the blind recipient's sighted family member, will exclude the entire > >> envelope's or package's contents from being shipped through this program. > >> Other things that can be shipped Free Matter for the Blind > include tapes and > >> CDs, slates and styli, and, if I remember right, Braille paper, such as > >> would be used in an embosser. > >> You should be able to find the complete guidelines for what can and cannot > >> be sent if you Google for it. > >> Hope this helps, > >> Jewel > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Justin Young wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if any knew how the Free > >>> Matter for the Blind worked when sending items through the post mail? > >>> Do you have to sign up for something or can one send braille items and > >>> just write "Free Matter for the Blind"? Wasn't sure thanks in > >>> advance! > >>> > >>> Justin > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Mon Aug 5 01:43:49 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 01:43:49 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind Message-ID: Hi Justin. The following is an E-Mail from a friend of mine, to answer the same question. Blessings, Joshua You need to buy adhesive stickers that say "FREE MATTER FOR THE BLIND OR HANDICAP" And put a sticker on the envelope you're mailing, where the stamp usually goes. I don't think the post office will accept you writing it out. You can also buy a stamp that says it as well. Where to buy them. Independent Living Maybe? I just googled Free Matter labels and picked the cheapest place. I don't remember where I got mine. HTH ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Justin Young [jty727 at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 3:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind Hi All, Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if any knew how the Free Matter for the Blind worked when sending items through the post mail? Do you have to sign up for something or can one send braille items and just write "Free Matter for the Blind"? Wasn't sure thanks in advance! Justin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 02:07:51 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 22:07:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <073C5A42-939A-4C34-9BC9-3080705D32F6@gmail.com> Actually, the post office will accept it handwritten, but only if it is done very neatly. I recommend all caps because that is usually more legible. I know from experience, though, that they will accept handwritten. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi Justin. > The following is an E-Mail from a friend of mine, to answer the same question. > Blessings, Joshua > > You need to buy adhesive stickers that say > "FREE MATTER FOR THE BLIND OR HANDICAP" > And put a sticker on the envelope you're mailing, where the stamp usually > goes. > I don't think the post office will accept you writing it out. > You can also buy a stamp that says it as well. > Where to buy them. > Independent Living Maybe? > I just googled Free Matter labels and picked the cheapest place. > I don't remember where I got mine. > HTH > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Justin Young > [jty727 at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 3:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Free Matter for the Blind > > Hi All, > > Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if any knew how the Free > Matter for the Blind worked when sending items through the post mail? > Do you have to sign up for something or can one send braille items and > just write "Free Matter for the Blind"? Wasn't sure thanks in > advance! > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 02:21:38 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:21:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6854CC3C-2699-4C32-9EA3-A24C0D7A234A@gmail.com> Do u read tons of braille? Thanks Lucy Anna E Givens On Aug 4, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Lucy Sirianni wrote: > For me, the pain comes and goes. Since I've started icing regularly, it's definitely lessened overtime, though I still sometimes experience pain, especially if I've been reading and writing more than usual. > > I hope yours gets better, too, and if you find anything that helps, I'd love to hear about it! > > Lucy > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anna Givens > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:51:29 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > >> Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very > glad to hear about it, because I have asked around and I couldn't find anyone who had had this experience. >> I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part of > the problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... Anti-inflammatory,ice, physical therapy, and wrist brace. And then he said, The best treatment is to not use your hand. But that is very unrealistic, for anyone. So just try to not use it as much as possible, and when reading relax it as much as possible. >> So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now > that I am reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. Did your pain go away? Or do you still have it? >> Thanks! > >> Anna E Givens > >> On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni > wrote: > >>> Hi Anna, > >>> I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've > experienced severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so I do a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to other formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in ice-water; I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. > >>> My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to > consider taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that reading in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and ultimately make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to your doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? > >>> I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has > been a recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not to mention painful. > >>> Very best of luck in dealing with this! > >>> Lucy > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Anna Givens >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > >>>> Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be >>> solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe > someone else has been through this: >>>> I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use >>> it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that > I can use it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to speech, for me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand is to not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take anti-inflammatory meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, also use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse and worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is just going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very frustrating! I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It is my decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like that? And what did you do? > >>>> Anna E Givens >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info >>> for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% >>> 40earthlink.net > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40g > mail.com > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% > 40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 02:34:28 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 21:34:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille Message-ID: <51ff0f45.e9a5ec0a.1d01.ffffb989@mx.google.com> I might get crucified for saying this, but couldn't you mainly read with your left hand? At least for me, reading one-handed doesn't slow me down that much. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anna Givens wrote: For me, the pain comes and goes. Since I've started icing regularly, it's definitely lessened overtime, though I still sometimes experience pain, especially if I've been reading and writing more than usual. I hope yours gets better, too, and if you find anything that helps, I'd love to hear about it! Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: Anna Givens wrote: Hi Anna, I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've experienced severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so I do a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to other formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in ice-water; I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to consider taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that reading in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and ultimately make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to your doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has been a recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not to mention painful. Very best of luck in dealing with this! Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: Anna Givens References: <51ff0f45.e9a5ec0a.1d01.ffffb989@mx.google.com> Message-ID: LOL! I can't believe you went there! Sometimes, I read with the left hand, and used the right one o turn the pages. I like to use both to read the Braille, but sometimes, if it's a long chapter that I'd have to read for school, the left hand only, worked fine! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille I might get crucified for saying this, but couldn't you mainly read with your left hand? At least for me, reading one-handed doesn't slow me down that much. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anna Givens wrote: For me, the pain comes and goes. Since I've started icing regularly, it's definitely lessened overtime, though I still sometimes experience pain, especially if I've been reading and writing more than usual. I hope yours gets better, too, and if you find anything that helps, I'd love to hear about it! Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: Anna Givens wrote: Hi Anna, I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've experienced severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so I do a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to other formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in ice-water; I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to consider taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that reading in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and ultimately make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to your doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has been a recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not to mention painful. Very best of luck in dealing with this! Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: Anna Givens References: <51ff0f45.e9a5ec0a.1d01.ffffb989@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <974C5403-59C9-4DBB-B9ED-5462196DE26F@gmail.com> Yeah, sophie, I have considered that, its just I need to increase my speed- thats why im reading so much, and i feel like it will be slower with just one hand.... Anna E Givens On Aug 4, 2013, at 9:39 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > LOL! > I can't believe you went there! > Sometimes, I read with the left hand, and used the right one o turn the pages. > I like to use both to read the Braille, but sometimes, if it's a long chapter that I'd have to read for school, the left hand only, worked fine! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > > I might get crucified for saying this, but couldn't you mainly > read with your left hand? At least for me, reading one-handed > doesn't slow me down that much. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anna Givens To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:21:38 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > > Do u read tons of braille? > Thanks Lucy > > Anna E Givens > > On Aug 4, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Lucy Sirianni > wrote: > > For me, the pain comes and goes. Since I've started icing > regularly, it's definitely lessened overtime, though I still > sometimes experience pain, especially if I've been reading and > writing more than usual. > > I hope yours gets better, too, and if you find anything that > helps, I'd love to hear about it! > > Lucy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anna Givens To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:51:29 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > > Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very > glad to hear about it, because I have asked around and I > couldn't find anyone who had had this experience. > I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part > of > the problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... > Anti-inflammatory,ice, physical therapy, and wrist brace. And > then he said, The best treatment is to not use your hand. But > that is very unrealistic, for anyone. So just try to not use it > as much as possible, and when reading relax it as much as > possible. > So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now > that I am reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. > Did your pain go away? Or do you still have it? > Thanks! > > Anna E Givens > > On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni > wrote: > > Hi Anna, > > I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've > experienced severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount > of time I spend reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an > English Ph.D. student, so I do a lot of reading and writing, and > like you, I prefer Braille to other formats.) The thing that > helped me most was soaking my hands in ice-water; I also > purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, > though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. > > My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to > consider taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your > concern that reading in spite of the pain might cause your > condition to worsen and ultimately make reading impossible (or at > least very hard). Have you spoken to your doctor about the > potential risks of reading Braille? > > I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has > been a recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly > frustrating, not to mention painful. > > Very best of luck in dealing with this! > > Lucy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anna Givens To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > > Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be > solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe > someone else has been through this: > I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use > it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that > I can use it in college. Braille works a lot better than > listening to speech, for me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading > 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. This is hours of reading. The > treatment for tendonitis in your hand is to not use your hand. > Obviously, I cannot do both. I take anti-inflammatory meds, and > do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, also > use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand > (although that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is > getting worse and worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am > afraid that it is just going to get so bad I won't be able to do > it. This is very frustrating! I don't want to give up braille, > but I don't want to be in pain. It is my decision what to do, > but has anyone ever been through anything like that? And what > did you do? > > Anna E Givens > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% > 40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% > 40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 03:24:25 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 23:24:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille In-Reply-To: <974C5403-59C9-4DBB-B9ED-5462196DE26F@gmail.com> References: <51ff0f45.e9a5ec0a.1d01.ffffb989@mx.google.com> <974C5403-59C9-4DBB-B9ED-5462196DE26F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <86561849-4978-4215-BC19-72DD1B3BCCE8@gmail.com> Personally I always read with my right hand, I find it to be easier. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > Yeah, sophie, I have considered that, its just I need to increase my speed- thats why im reading so much, and i feel like it will be slower with just one hand.... > > Anna E Givens > > On Aug 4, 2013, at 9:39 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> LOL! >> I can't believe you went there! >> Sometimes, I read with the left hand, and used the right one o turn the pages. >> I like to use both to read the Braille, but sometimes, if it's a long chapter that I'd have to read for school, the left hand only, worked fine! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:34 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >> >> I might get crucified for saying this, but couldn't you mainly >> read with your left hand? At least for me, reading one-handed >> doesn't slow me down that much. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anna Givens > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:21:38 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >> >> Do u read tons of braille? >> Thanks Lucy >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> On Aug 4, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Lucy Sirianni >> wrote: >> >> For me, the pain comes and goes. Since I've started icing >> regularly, it's definitely lessened overtime, though I still >> sometimes experience pain, especially if I've been reading and >> writing more than usual. >> >> I hope yours gets better, too, and if you find anything that >> helps, I'd love to hear about it! >> >> Lucy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anna Givens > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:51:29 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >> >> Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very >> glad to hear about it, because I have asked around and I >> couldn't find anyone who had had this experience. >> I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part >> of >> the problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... >> Anti-inflammatory,ice, physical therapy, and wrist brace. And >> then he said, The best treatment is to not use your hand. But >> that is very unrealistic, for anyone. So just try to not use it >> as much as possible, and when reading relax it as much as >> possible. >> So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now >> that I am reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. >> Did your pain go away? Or do you still have it? >> Thanks! >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni >> wrote: >> >> Hi Anna, >> >> I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've >> experienced severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount >> of time I spend reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an >> English Ph.D. student, so I do a lot of reading and writing, and >> like you, I prefer Braille to other formats.) The thing that >> helped me most was soaking my hands in ice-water; I also >> purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, >> though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. >> >> My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to >> consider taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your >> concern that reading in spite of the pain might cause your >> condition to worsen and ultimately make reading impossible (or at >> least very hard). Have you spoken to your doctor about the >> potential risks of reading Braille? >> >> I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has >> been a recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly >> frustrating, not to mention painful. >> >> Very best of luck in dealing with this! >> >> Lucy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anna Givens > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >> >> Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be >> solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe >> someone else has been through this: >> I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use >> it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that >> I can use it in college. Braille works a lot better than >> listening to speech, for me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading >> 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. This is hours of reading. The >> treatment for tendonitis in your hand is to not use your hand. >> Obviously, I cannot do both. I take anti-inflammatory meds, and >> do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, also >> use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand >> (although that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is >> getting worse and worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am >> afraid that it is just going to get so bad I won't be able to do >> it. This is very frustrating! I don't want to give up braille, >> but I don't want to be in pain. It is my decision what to do, >> but has anyone ever been through anything like that? And what >> did you do? >> >> Anna E Givens >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% >> 40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40g >> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% >> 40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40g >> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 5 03:26:40 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 23:26:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anna, this would be tough. What is causing this tendenitis? Do you play sports or something that irritated your muscles? Typing may do this often if your typing is a lot but braille reading should not. I've never heard of braille reading causing tendenitis. Anyway, I wouldn't jepordize my hands for braille reading. I'd read less and take frequent breaks if it were me. I love braille and yes do learn better using it not just speech. But if I were in pain, I'd use it for the most essential stuff. Why not try reading with one hand? I know I can do this. I wonder if your hand technique is optimal with braille reading. Remember braille is best read with the pads of the fingers. You don't have to lay your palms on the page to read. Maybe you could get a wrist support or something like that when reading. I'd say stretching your wrists is important too which seems like you are already doing. Good luck. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Anna Givens Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:07 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe someone else has been through this: I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that I can use it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to speech, for me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand is to not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take anti-inflammatory meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, also use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse and worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is just going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very frustrating! I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It is my decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like that? And what did you do? Anna E Givens _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Aug 5 12:31:08 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 05:31:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille In-Reply-To: <51ff0f45.e9a5ec0a.1d01.ffffb989@mx.google.com> References: <51ff0f45.e9a5ec0a.1d01.ffffb989@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130805052833.04f447d0@comcast.net> Good morning, Anna, and Sophie, Back when I read braille, I too read with my left hand because, like you, a one-handed method of reading didn't seem to slow me down all that much. for today, Car At 07:34 PM 8/4/2013, Sophie Trist wrote: >I might get crucified for saying this, but couldn't you mainly read >with your left hand? At least for me, reading one-handed doesn't >slow me down that much. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Anna Givens To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:21:38 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > >Do u read tons of braille? >Thanks Lucy > >Anna E Givens > >On Aug 4, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Lucy Sirianni wrote: > >For me, the pain comes and goes. Since I've started icing >regularly, it's definitely lessened overtime, though I still >sometimes experience pain, especially if I've been reading and >writing more than usual. > >I hope yours gets better, too, and if you find anything that helps, >I'd love to hear about it! > >Lucy > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Anna Givens To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:51:29 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > >Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very >glad to hear about it, because I have asked around and I couldn't >find anyone who had had this experience. >I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part of >the problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... >Anti-inflammatory,ice, physical therapy, and wrist brace. And then >he said, The best treatment is to not use your hand. But that is >very unrealistic, for anyone. So just try to not use it as much as >possible, and when reading relax it as much as possible. >So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now >that I am reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. >Did your pain go away? Or do you still have it? >Thanks! > >Anna E Givens > >On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni > wrote: > >Hi Anna, > >I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've >experienced severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of >time I spend reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English >Ph.D. student, so I do a lot of reading and writing, and like you, >I prefer Braille to other formats.) The thing that helped me most >was soaking my hands in ice-water; I also purchased wraps that would >allow me to use ice more continuously, though this was not as >helpful as just plain ice-water. > >My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to >consider taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your >concern that reading in spite of the pain might cause your condition >to worsen and ultimately make reading impossible (or at least very >hard). Have you spoken to your doctor about the potential risks of >reading Braille? > >I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has >been a recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly >frustrating, not to mention painful. > >Very best of luck in dealing with this! > >Lucy > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Anna Givens To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > >Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be >solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe >someone else has been through this: >I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use >it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that >I can use it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening >to speech, for me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 >pages a day of braille. This is hours of reading. The treatment >for tendonitis in your hand is to not use your hand. >Obviously, I cannot do both. I take anti-inflammatory meds, and do >hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, also use >ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although >that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse >and worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it >is just going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very >frustrating! I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to >be in pain. It is my decision what to do, but has anyone ever been >through anything like that? And what did you do? > >Anna E Givens >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% >40earthlink.net > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40g >mail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% >40earthlink.net > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40g >mail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >r%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From lissa1531 at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 13:43:14 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 07:43:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille References: <772D4B6B-7707-406F-91CB-2D987EFBDFFA@gmail.com> Message-ID: sounds like carpal tunnel to me. I had carpal tunnel and they did a surgery called carpal tunnel release on me. Haven't had any more problems. its something to be investegated. Blessings, Melissa Green and PJ Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.--Martin Luther King, Jr. facebook Melissa R Green twitter: melissa5674 Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 Goodreads Melissa Green ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna Givens" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very glad to hear about it, because I have asked around and I couldn't find anyone who had had this experience. I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part of the problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... Anti-inflammatory,ice, physical therapy, and wrist brace. And then he said, The best treatment is to not use your hand. But that is very unrealistic, for anyone. So just try to not use it as much as possible, and when reading relax it as much as possible. So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now that I am reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. Did your pain go away? Or do you still have it? Thanks! Anna E Givens On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni wrote: > Hi Anna, > > I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've experienced > severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend > reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so I do > a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to other > formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in ice-water; > I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, > though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. > > My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to consider > taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that reading > in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and ultimately > make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to your > doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? > > I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has been a > recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not to > mention painful. > > Very best of luck in dealing with this! > > Lucy > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anna Givens > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > >> Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be > solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe someone > else has been through this: >> I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use > it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that I can use > it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to speech, for > me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. > This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand is to > not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take anti-inflammatory > meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, also > use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although > that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse and > worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is just > going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very frustrating! > I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It is my > decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like that? > And what did you do? > >> Anna E Givens >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% > 40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 16:47:13 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 11:47:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille In-Reply-To: References: <772D4B6B-7707-406F-91CB-2D987EFBDFFA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6D7B22CF-CE60-42D6-A911-FAE6F7728E54@gmail.com> It is different then carpel tunnel, but similar. There is a surgery that can be done for hand tendonitis, where they take some of the inflamed tendons out. However, surgery, is a very last resort for me. But true.... It is an option. I guess I could investigate reading with one hand. I was taught to read with both hands, because it is faster. But... I don't know that much about braille reading and I could try it out. Thanks Anna E Givens On Aug 5, 2013, at 8:43 AM, "melissa Green" wrote: > sounds like carpal tunnel to me. > I had carpal tunnel and they did a surgery called carpal tunnel release on > me. > Haven't had any more problems. > its something to be investegated. > Blessings, > Melissa Green and PJ > Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot > drive out hate; only love can do that.--Martin Luther King, Jr. > facebook Melissa R Green > twitter: melissa5674 > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > Goodreads Melissa Green > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anna Givens" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > > > Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very glad to hear > about it, because I have asked around and I couldn't find anyone who had had > this experience. > I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part of the > problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... Anti-inflammatory,ice, > physical therapy, and wrist brace. And then he said, The best treatment is > to not use your hand. But that is very unrealistic, for anyone. So just try > to not use it as much as possible, and when reading relax it as much as > possible. > So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now that I am > reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. Did your pain go away? > Or do you still have it? > Thanks! > > Anna E Givens > > On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni > wrote: > >> Hi Anna, >> >> I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've experienced >> severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend >> reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so I do >> a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to other >> formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in ice-water; >> I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, >> though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. >> >> My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to consider >> taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that reading >> in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and ultimately >> make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to your >> doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? >> >> I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has been a >> recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not to >> mention painful. >> >> Very best of luck in dealing with this! >> >> Lucy >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Anna Givens >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >> >>> Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be >> solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe someone >> else has been through this: >>> I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use >> it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that I can use >> it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to speech, for >> me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. >> This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand is to >> not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take anti-inflammatory >> meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, also >> use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although >> that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse and >> worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is just >> going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very frustrating! >> I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It is my >> decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like that? >> And what did you do? >> >>> Anna E Givens >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% >> 40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From scienceguytvi at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 21:27:31 2013 From: scienceguytvi at gmail.com (A Roth) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 17:27:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments Message-ID: Hello students, Has anyone heard of a product called the Talking Lab Quest by Independence Science? I was given a flier by a colleague who attended the ISTE Conference. It says that the device improves access to science lab experiments. I'm interested in buying one (and it is on sale) if someone out there has one and can give me more info. Here is the link I found: http://specialoffer.independencescience.com/ Has anyone used this in class or otherwise? Thanks, Alan From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 5 22:09:00 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 18:09:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd only buy a device if I were very interested in science or a science major or in a related field. With just a course or two needed in science, you can use a lab assistant to describe the information to you. Just saying that if you buy it make sure the expense is justifiable. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: A Roth Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:27 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments Hello students, Has anyone heard of a product called the Talking Lab Quest by Independence Science? I was given a flier by a colleague who attended the ISTE Conference. It says that the device improves access to science lab experiments. I'm interested in buying one (and it is on sale) if someone out there has one and can give me more info. Here is the link I found: http://specialoffer.independencescience.com/ Has anyone used this in class or otherwise? Thanks, Alan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From sgermano at asu.edu Mon Aug 5 22:25:36 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:25:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would push my school to buy it even for one class. It would then be available to all blind/VI students. I do not trust classmates as not everyone cares about getting A's. When I use a lab aid I will only use someone who is majoring in the subject and has completed that course. I want to be sure the info I am receiving is 100% accurate. Suzanne On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > I'd only buy a device if I were very interested in science or a science > major or in a related field. > With just a course or two needed in science, you can use a lab assistant > to describe the information to you. > Just saying that if you buy it make sure the expense is justifiable. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: A Roth > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:27 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments > > Hello students, > > Has anyone heard of a product called the Talking Lab Quest by Independence > Science? I was given a flier by a colleague who attended the ISTE > Conference. It says that the device improves access to science lab > experiments. I'm interested in buying one (and it is on sale) if someone > out there has one and can give me more info. Here is the link I found: > http://specialoffer.**independencescience.com/ > > Has anyone used this in class or otherwise? > > Thanks, > Alan > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com Tue Aug 6 00:44:48 2013 From: deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com (Deb Mendelsohn) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 17:44:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Special Notices and Pen Pals Supplement for August 5, 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Matilda Ziegler Magazine for the Blind Date: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:06 PM Subject: Special Notices and Pen Pals Supplement for August 5, 2013 To: Deb This is the Matilda Ziegler Magazine Special Notices and Pen Pals Supplement August 5, 2013 Address: 20 Thorndal Circle Darien, CT 06820 Local Phone: 203-604-8601 Toll Free: 877-424-5481 Website: www.matildaziegler.com Email: editor at matildaziegler.com Ren Brighton, Editor Table of Contents Special Notices - New Listings Pen Pals - New Listings Special Notices - Previous Listings Pen Pals - Previous Listings Special Notices - Permanent Listings Chat Lines Events You may skip to a new posting or section at any time by using your browser or word processor's Find or Search function to look for the ### symbol. For entries within a section of the supplement, search for the ## symbol. Disclaimer: The following submissions are received from magazine subscribers or outside organizations who have asked to place free listings in our magazine. The Matilda Ziegler Magazine for the Blind gladly serves as a vehicle for these postings, but neither the Matilda Ziegler Magazine for the Blind or its affiliates personally endorse any listings held within this supplement. SPECIAL NOTICES - New Listings I am organizing a fund raising project to raise money for the Seeing Eyes community services outreach. You can raise money by holding raffles, bake sales or other activities. Any money you raise please send it to the Seeing Eye and earmark it for community outreach. Thanks, Bill Meinecke ## Well, I finally got an iPhone and I am looking for a good GPS app for the phone. I am also looking for a good app for reading bar codes, bill identifier, and scanner for reading print. Any suggestions that anyone may have would be appreciated. You can contact me at nanpuppy at cox.net Thank you in advance. ## Free to best home: 3-volume Braille edition of The Puzzlemaster PresentsWill Shortz's Best Puzzles from NPR, volume 2. Call (505) 662-0408. ## I am Bob and am hoping to purchase an Ibill, but the older model, not the newer one that has come out. If anyone has one in good condition, could you contact me? My e-mail is harlynn at panix.com and my phone is 347-489-5324. If you get my machine, please leave a message and I'll get back to you. ## The Jewish Museum is pleased to offer Verbal Description Tours, Touch Tours, and American Sign Language tours. Please refer to the Events section for more information and a schedule of upcoming tours. ## I have two guitars, and two amps I am selling. One is an electric guitar, and the other is a 6-string bass. The amps are small enough for a room, but put out enough volume to use at a party. Selling the whole package for 800. Will only sell individual items at 200 as a last ditch resort. If interested, please send your queries to Michael2369716 at mail.phoenix.edu. First come, first serve! ## Global Penfriends is a penpal site that allows people from all over the world to submit their ad and connect with other penfriends. Profiles are manually approved and if you activate your premium membership, you could access all features of the site. I highly recommend it to others. If you would like to have a look, the link is: www.globalpenfriends.com ## Have you been looking for a Braille display but find they're way too expensive? I am selling an ALVA ABT385 Braille display made by Humanware. It's an 80 cell display in excellent condition. It was recently cleaned and works wonderfully. All cables, manuals, software and a carrying case for all of it is included. You can normally expect to pay thousands of dollars for a display like this one. But I am selling this for $300 dollars. That's an offer you can't beat. E-mail me at royamc1959 at comcast.net or call or text me at 484-274-8416. My name is Roy McCutcheon and I thank you for reading this. ## I'm looking for a female friend around the Monroe or Newport Michigan area who enjoys having fun and wants to spend time with somebody and likes to go shopping etc. My phone number is 734-430-2537. I would prefer someone in their 20s or 30s. Thanks, Tonya ### PEN PALS - New Listings I am Manjurul Islam, 38 years old Muslim visually impaired man from Bangladesh. I would like to request all Muslim women who are interested to make friendship are invited to write to me. my Email address is: manjurulcleve at gmail.com my Skype ID is: Manjurulcleve Those ladies, who love Islam but are not Muslim can write to me as well. Age should be from 20-33. My hobbies are: reading novels, listening to music, playing chess. Hope I'll get a real friend that can go into a relationship. ### SPECIAL NOTICES - Previous Listings I'd like to share the publication of my novel 'A ciegas en Manhattan' (Blindly in Manhattan) based on my own experiences as a blind traveler with Matilda Magazine readers. It is in Spanish (for now). For more information, readers can contact me at nuriadelsaz at ono.com Two blind friends from Spain travel to New Jersey believing that a blind person is doubly blind if he or she fails to understand the language of a country. They choose to stay with a host family in order to experience the everyday life of an American family. The family happened to be a retired editor, a lady in her late 70s. What can two young blind women do with an old lady a bunch of miles from Manhattan? It is a humorous and inspirational story about normalization, self-improvement, culture, and much more. No matter how old you are, whether blind or sighted, with a disability or not, this book speaks of living and enjoying life no matter what cards life has given you. Paperback and e-book available: http://www.amazon.es/ciegas-Manhattan-vista-pero-pausa/dp/8478984933/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1367579054&sr=8-4&keywords=nuria+del+saz Contact author for e-books. ## Unity, a nondenominational Christian organization, produces Daily Word Magazine free of charge on a bimonthly basis in Braille and on CD. To obtain a subscription, call Unity Message of Hope toll-free at: 866-421-3066, or send email to: message-of-hope at unityonline.org. ## "Lee Rimando" Poetry for children in Spanish. It includes poems by classic Spanish poets such as Federico Garcia Lorca, Antonio Machado, and contemporary authors. Printed in Braille and ink-print with tactile and colourful pictures. Visually impaired parents can enjoy reading in Spanish with their sighted children. "Lee Rimando" 24 pages (each page has different colours to visually stimulate the children Colourful pictures with a variety of textures Pictures made of felt, fabric, foam, raised paint. Plastic bound. 30 US dollars (we accept pay pal only) Shipping: Free matters for the blind You can see images of this precious book in the following link: http://www.antojodigital.es/libros/26-lee-rimando.html To order a copy of this book, please send us an e-mail to cliente at antojodigital.es ## This month we have for sale, ceramic dogs of your choice, especially German shepherds, Labradors, and any dog who has a good picture. We will produce the dog as close to the picture as possible. We have sail boats, lighthouses, mugs, pictures of dogs that are raised to the touch, and holiday ornaments and some platters for sale. This month we have a small pond with all objects associated with it are raised to the touch. There is a turtle with his log, and rocks around the pond plus raised grasses and raised fish. The items are glazed. The fish are orange, the log is brown, rocks are gray and fish float around in blue water. The turtle is brown. The item is about four/six inches around. The prices may be requested from kkarenb7410 at gmail.com or call us at: 765 216-6745 and an answering machine answers after three rings. We will look forward to hearing from you! ## Hi, Matilda Ziegler readers. I would like an answer for one of these two questions: Are there mailing lists for blind TV and movie viewers (or listeners, technically)? I know there are sites like Blind Mice and ListenToaMovie where you can download just the audio from movies and TV, and mytvland.netand blindy.tv where they have streaming "television radio" for the blind, but what about a mailing list? The mytvland.net site has a listserve, but it's just for discussing their programming. Are there mailing lists for the discussion of audio movies and TV for the blind in general, both described and not described? Whether they discuss Blind Mice, Mytvland, or episodes converted off YouTube with a video to mp3 converter, all discussion of audio TV and movies is welcome. If the answer is no, here's the question; would you like a mailing list for discussion of audio movies and TV, or even individual lists for comedies, dramas, musicals, etc.? I'm more than likely going to do one list, but genre-themed lists was just an idea. Send your answers and suggestions to the following email address. programmer651 at comcast.net ## I have been researching buying a cell phone and was wondering what people have to say about which phone works best for them. I want a simple phone with no texting and possible audio output. I am legally blind and familiar with working on computers although my wife has no computer skills so it needs to be simple. She is a senior so large buttons and easy to use is essential. Any suggestions or help in this matter is appreciated. Thanks. Marc Huley - march317t at gmail.com ## I am requesting to blind persons who know how to write Loglines, Snopsies and how to preach stories to send me materials so that I can learn how to do it. In Braille let them use this address: Lafarge Cement Zambia Plc, Box 32639 Kafue Road, Lusaka Zambia Africa. Regards, Mubanga Chipalo - mubangachipalo at zambia.co.zm ## Perk up your summer and your pocketbook. Try for a prize in the fiction writing contest sponsored by Magnets and Ladders Fall/Winter online magazine. The deadline is August 15, and the submission guidelines can be found at magnetsandladders.org. We're looking for strong stories and characters. Poetry, memoir, and seasonal material are always welcome. ## Due to a changing lifestyle, I am offering treasured reference books to a good home. They are: The Book of Concord: The Confessions of the Evangelical Lutheran church (24 volumes) translated and edited by Theodore G. Tappert and Introduction to Lutheranism by Eric W. Gritsch (3 volumes). They are in soft cover and in good condition. To receive one or both of these Braille books, please contact me by E-mail at: annetap at msn.com or by phone: 303 744-7407. ## For Sale- I am selling a BookSense XT for only $200.00 It is in nearly brand new condition, has the latest firmware, adaptor and includes a 32 gigabyte SD card. I will accept Pay Pal and Money Orders only. If interested please contact Scott Rumery at blindfaith38 at gmail.com or call 478-993-8717. ## Hello, I have a Focus blue 40 Braille display. Great condition. I am selling this for 1000 dollars or best offer. I am also able to trade. I am looking for a Braille display that is very small and portable, probably 18 cell. Needs to be have bluetooth capabilities. I am also looking for a Braille notetaker or an unlocked iPhone 5. If interested please contact me either by email or telephone. When writing email, please make sure to have in the subject field Matilda mag ad. Thanks. Email: af032010 at gmail.com Phone: 856-673-9073 Mandi ### PEN PALS - Previous Listings No previous listings. ### SPECIAL NOTICES - Permanent Listings Project Challenge A support group for all challenge persons: Don't you wish that there is a place where you can freely express yourself and share ideas without any fear of intimidation? A place of camaraderie and fellowship? Project Challenge is a unique support group for doing just that! A support group unlike any other, the objective of Project Challenge is to Promote and encourages a positive outlook on life. We do this by providing a supportive environment where Members can share information, keeping one another up to date on news of interest to them. Also through the delivery of universal tourism products, services and environments, we at Project Challenge encourages and support accessible travel, Harnessing the opportunities of greater accessibilities to see and to experience what the world has to offer. We invite you to join us each and every third Thursday of the month - 2:00: pm to 4:00: pm: Where! At Visions Arts & Crafts 1 135 West 23rd Street New York NY 10001 (between 6th and 7th ave). Call 1-718-922-0118or 347-853-4294 Email projectchallenge at globaltouchtravelcompanion.org ## Dissociative talk, this is a list for those people who suffer with a dissociative disorder, this can be dissociative identity disorder, ddnos, dissociative fugue or any of the other dissociative disorders. Supporters of those who know a person with did, or significant others of someone who has did or a dissociative disorder are also welcome. dissociative-talk-subscribe at yahoogroups.com ## blind chat, this is a chat list for the blind, anything goes on this list. It's open to anyone who is blind or partially sighted. blindchat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com ## Blind Mental Health: A supportive and friendly e-mail list community. Feeling overwhelmed and alone? Dealing with tough issues like anxiety, depression, recovery from trauma and addictions? Want to talk about balancing demands of work, school, relationships, and maintaining/working on mental health recovery and developing a support system? No matter what you're going through you're not alone! Join blind-mentalhealth! A confidential, friendly, and resource filled e-mail list for anyone dealing with the above challenges and more. All people are welcome no matter their age, race, gender, disability status, sexual orientation ETC. Just send an e-mail with the subject line left blank, and in the message put your first name, general location, and reasons why you'd like to join the group. This is just to ensure potential members are a good fit, and nine times out of ten they are. Subscription e-mail: blind-mentalhealth-subscribe at yahoogroups.com ## Access problems because of your guide dog? As the leader in guide dog policy and advocacy,the National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU), a strong & proud division of the National Federation of the Blind, sponsors the NAGDU Information & Advocacy Hotline. This innovative service provides general information about service animals under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), as well as specific guidance concerning restaurants, taxicabs, and health care facilities. In addition, individuals facing discrimination have the ability to speak with a special advocate trained to mediate access issues. Future plans for the hotline include summaries of each of the state laws concerning service animals, more industry specific information, and guidance in a variety of languages, such as Mandarin and Arabic. The Hotline is available anytime by calling, toll-free, 888-NAGDU411 (888-624-3841). ## Friedman Place is a warm, thriving, and diverse community for blind and visually impaired adults 22 and older, located on the North side of Chicago. It is in a safe and secure neighborhood, and is equipped with security cameras to ensure safety. We live in one bedroom or studio apartments, and can live active and independent lives with privacy, yet also have support when needed. I have lived here for almost a year. I have grown so much with this important balance of independence and a solid support system. Services include nursing staff available 24/7, meals and housekeeping services, a variety of activities, and plenty of chances for someone to bring their own gifts and strengths to the community. If you have any questions I could answer as a resident, feel free to e-mail me. My e-mail is: samnelson1 at verizon.net If you would like to inquire more about applying to Friedman Place, please call Noelle or Heddy at 773-989-9800 You can e-mail them at: Noelle at friedmanplace.org heddy at friedmanplace.org Website: www.friedmanplace.org ## Everyone needs a relaxing, stress free and exciting vacation! Want to meet new people from around the US and make lasting friendships? At the Oral Hull Foundation for the Blind and Park we have just the right summer "Adventure" retreat planned especially for you! Nestled at the foot of the Mt. Hood National forest, in Sandy, Oregon, our 22 acre forested park is designed especially for those with blindness and vision impairments. We believe that blindness and low vision should not mean isolation and dependency. With that belief our retreat center staff invites you to spend 7 days with us in August to participate in our Adventure retreats for adults, 18 and over. Adventure I will feature white water rafting, kayaking, tandem biking, hiking, archery, challenge course adventures, fishing in our stocked trout pond, workshops to introduce new assistive technology, unique craft classes, as well as many other surprise adventures. The Adventure II retreat takes it a step up with more arduous hikes in and around the NW, rock climbing and more! Both our Adventure retreats feature a first evening "get to know each other" special dinner and live music! If you're more inclined to just rest, relax and chill out then our park has many serene, relaxing and well-manicured gardens to enjoy. Or, just sit back in our 12 person hot tub or indoor, heated swimming pool and visit with new friends. All the adventures above, your room accommodations in our 24 room (48 twin bed) facility and all meals are included in our 7 day retreat for $500.00. We can assure you there isn't a better deal around! If you want to tandem skydive there is an extra charge of $195.00 and an extra $100 for windsurfing. Our guests who regularly attend these retreat sessions find that the Oral Hull Park experience challenges them to do much more than they thought they could. Our guests range in age from their twenties to eighties and up! Please call our park office at 503-668-6195 and talk to Susie who can answer all your questions, or visit our website at www.oralhull.org for all the latest news and to download registration forms. Payment plans are available if needed. Don't just think about it…do it now! You'll wonder why you didn't come to Oral Hull Park sooner. ## Brailler Repairs The Selective Doctor, Inc. specializes in the repair of Perkins Braillers. They have repaired over 5,800 Perkins Braillers. Repairs for Braillers are $60 for labor of manual braillers, plus the cost of parts. You can send your brailler Free Matter for the Blind through the US Postal Service to: The Selective Doctor, Inc. P.O. Box 571 Manchester, Maryland 21102 Be sure to insure your package. Currently insurance of $400 costs about $6.25. For more information, please call 410-668-1143 or email braillerrepair at yahoo.com. You can also check out our website by visiting www.selectivedoctor.com. ## Don't throw away your Braille magazines or books! Support blind children in Ghana. Rae Tyler is a volunteer transcriber who works with various schools in Ghana. She is accepting used Braille magazines and books. The students there, children and adults, desperately need more reading material of all kinds. If you subscribe to magazines from NLS or Reader's Digest from APH and would like to donate them after you're done reading them, Rae can send you labels with her address on them. You can re-tape the boxes, peel off the original label, put on a new label with her address, and send it off using Free Matter for the Blind. To request the labels or to communicate with Rae, send an email message to: ghanaconnection at gmail.com Thank you for your support! ## Blind Access Training provides training in web design, screen readers, the windows and mac operating systems, iDevices, scanning software such as open book and zoom text. We provide training using Skype, our online classroom using talking communities or over the telephone. The rate for training is $30.00 per-hour and for Web Design training it is $350.00 per topic. We invite readers to visit us on the web at http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/ and take a complete look at our list of services, read our free editorials and the testimonies from other clients who have obtained training from us. If you have any further questions, feel free to call 1-509-619-4646. ## Resource List for Parents of Blind Children, contributed by Erin Jepsen. General info and organizations Wonder Baby http://www.wonderbaby.org/ Fred's Head http://aph.org/fh/index.html National Federation of the Blind http://nfb.org/ American Council of the Blind http://acb.org/ Hadley School for the Blind http://www.hadley.edu/ Learning Braille Hadley School Free Braille Courses http://www.hadley.edu/braillecourses.asp Braille Bug (teaching basic braille to kids) http://www.braillebug.org/ Braille Transcriber's Course http://nfb.org/braille-certification Online lessons in braille transcribing http://www.brl.org/transcribers/index.html Buying a cane Ambutech http://www.ambutech.com/ NFB Free White Cane http://nfb.org/free-cane-program Parents Teaching Cane Travel The Care and Feeding of the Long White Cane http://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/fr/fr15/issue1/f1501tc2.html Early Explorers Program http://nfb.org/earlyexplorersprogram Gadgets, Gear and Games Maxi Aids Vision Store http://www.maxiaids.com/store/ProdIndex.asp?idstore=1 Independent Living http://www.independentliving.com/ Braille Bookstore http://www.braillebookstore.com/ Blind Mice Mart https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Home Perkins Brailler http://www.perkins.org/store/braillers/ Mountbatten Brailler http://mountbattenbrailler.com/ Braille, eBooks and Audio Books Seedlings Braille http://www.seedlings.org/ Bookshare https://www.bookshare.org/ Learning Ally http://www.learningally.org/ RoboBraille (converting documents) http://robobraille.org/frontpage Lutheran Braille Workers (free religious books) http://www.lbwinc.org/ American Printing House http://www.aph.org/ Other Sources of Children's Braille Books http://www.afb.org/section.aspx?FolderID=2&SectionID=6&DocumentID=1249 Audible http://www.audible.com/ Talking Books http://www.loc.gov/nls/tbt/index.html LibriVox http://librivox.org/ Project Gutenberg http://www.gutenberg.org/ Toys Blind Kids Like List of toys for disabled children http://www.afb.org/section.aspx?SectionID=82 National Organization of Parents of Blind Children list of toys http://nfb.org/nopbc-good-toys-blind-kids How Does a Blind Child Play? http://www.blindchildren.org/edu_dev/3_2_2.html Videos on Blindness Skills Washington State School for the Blind http://www.youtube.com/user/WAStSchBlnd Finding Used Gear Blind Bargains http://www.blindbargains.com/ Recycled Aids for the Visually Impaired http://www.facebook.com/groups/184351638314293/ Also try eBay or Craigslist. Software and Technology Kurzweil Text-to-Speech http://www.kurzweiledu.com/default.html NVDA (free screen reader) http://www.nvda-project.org/ JAWS (most common screen reader) http://www.freedomscientific.com/products/fs/jaws- product-page.asp Using VoiceOver on Apple Products http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/ Braille Software http://duxburysystems.com/ Funding Sources Lion's Club http://www.lionsclubs.org/EN/our-work/sight-programs/assistance-requests.php State Schools and Commissions for the Blind http://sdsbvi.northern.edu/wwwresources/list.htm Grants and Scholarships for Blind Children http://www.afb.org/section.aspx?Documentid=1845 ## GW Micro Launches GWSkype Fort Wayne, Indiana (December 19, 2011) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) announced a major innovation today for the blind and visually impaired community. GW Micro, developers of Window-Eyes, the most powerful screen reader available, have developed GWSkype - a Window-Eyes app that makes Skype accessible to all blind and visually impaired people who use a Windows computer. Skype is a peer-to-peer service that allows users to call and message others via the Internet. Skype users may also call other landlines for a fee. While Skype has been around for years, its constantly changing user interface has been extremely difficult for blind and visually impaired users. "Each time the user interface changes, we have to completely write new a new Window-Eyes app to account for the changes," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. "These constant changes make it difficult or impossible for blind and visually impaired consumers to continue using the Skype service." The new GWSkype app will always make the Skype service available to blind and visually impaired computer users regardless of new versions of Skype that are released. The GWSkype app is a Window-Eyes app and demonstrates the power of Window-Eyes apps unmatched by any of its competitors. As Christmas is approaching, GW Micro is releasing the GWSkype app to all blind and visually impaired users who are running Windows at no cost. So, even a consumer not running Window-Eyes can still download and use the GWSkype app. "We believe that this is a special time of year and we want to give back," said Weirich. "GWSkype is a special gift from GW Micro to all blind and visually impaired users of Windows". The GWSkype app can be downloaded at http://www.gwmicro.com/apps/gwskype. You can download the GWSkype live webinar and product demonstration at www.gwmicro.com/podcast. GW Micro has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. Skype™ is a trademark of Skype Technologies S.A. Contact: Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing dan at gwmicro.com (260) 489-3671 ## On the quarterly TSA Disability Coalition teleconference held last week, we informed our members that TSA planned to launch TSA Cares, a toll-free helpline to provide information and assistance to passengers with disabilities and medical conditions and their families before they fly. We are excited to announce that TSA Cares is now available and accepting calls. Travelers may call TSA Cares toll free at 1-855-787-2227 prior to traveling with questions about screening policies, procedures and what to expect at the security checkpoint. Travelers who are deaf or hard of hearing can use a relay service to contact TSA Cares or can e-mail TSA-ContactCenter at dhs.gov . The hours of operation for the TSA Cares helpline are Monday through Friday 9 a.m. - 9 p.m. EST, excluding federal holidays. After hours, travelers can find information about traveling with disabilities and medical needs on TSA's website at: http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/disabilityandmedicalneeds/ When a passenger with a disability or medical condition calls TSA Cares, a representative will provide assistance, either with information about screening that is relevant to the passenger's specific disability or medical condition, or the passenger may be referred to disability experts at TSA. TSA recommends that passengers call approximately 72 hours ahead of travel so that TSA Cares has the opportunity to coordinate checkpoint support with a TSA Customer Service Manager located at the airport when necessary. TSA will issue a press release regarding TSA Cares later today, as well as making information about TSA Cares available on www.tsa.gov. We will provide you with the specific link to TSA Cares information when it becomes active, as well as a link to the official press release. We urge you to spread the word about TSA Cares so that those you represent have access to information about screening that is specific to their disabilities or medical conditions. As always, the staff from the Office of Disability Policy and Outreach will be available to you to assist with disseminating information about TSA Cares. Thank you for your continued participation and support. We look forward to improving the screening experience for passengers through TSA Cares. Sincerely, Kimberly Walton, Special Counselor Transportation Security Administration ## Computers for the Blind Here is your chance to have a powerful computer with software allowing blind and visually challenged persons to be able to join family and friends, doing what they are doing. Each computer comes complete with monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, and all associated cables. It also comes with preloaded software. Software includes: Open Office for word processing/book keeping, NVDA screen reader, demo version of Window-Eyes (will function for 30 minutes before computer restart), and 60 day demo version of ZoomText. For a donation of only $100, the Texas Center for the Visually Challenged will send your newly refurbished computer right to your door. As of this morning, they have sent over 4,100 computers to visually impaired individuals. Computers can only be shipped to the United States or Canada. Call Lee Mann at 214 340 6328 for full information. Please pass this information on to other people who may need an inexpensive, fully accessible computer. ## Horizons for the Blind, a Crystal Lake, Ill based not-for-profit organization, announces the launch of directionsformeTM (directionsforme.org), an exciting new Internet based service that makes consumer packaging information available in an accessible online format for people who are blind, visually impaired or simply have trouble reading the increasingly small print on packages or labels. There are limited resources, if any, for visually impaired consumers to access this information. Many websites are not designed to be fully or even partly accessible for text-to-speech screen readers, Braille output devices, screen magnifiers and web-enabled cell phones. This important information is often ignored because of the difficulty in seeing it. Some of this information is of a convenient nature but drug interaction and allergy warnings could be life threatening. Gaining comprehensive access will foster self sufficiency and allow consumers to lead more healthy and independent lives. directionsforMeTM was designed specifically for the blind and visually impaired consumer and employs innovative methods to simplify the user experience. Skip to Main Content: Allows you to bypass repetitive information contained on each web page. Subject Headings: Lets you go directly to the information you want without wading through content you do not. Formatting: After consulting and testing with actual users, information on the directions site is set up in the most efficient and understandable way possible. The Directions website will address a glaring disconnect between consumer product manufacturers and this underserved population. The easy-to-use format makes directionsforMeTM appealing to a wide range of consumers. With the amount of information on consumer products increasing dramatically and the print size decreasing just as significantly, many consumers, particularly the growing senior population, are having trouble reading the information on packages and labels. Through a licensing agreement with Gladson, Directions features over 300,000 products in food, health and beauty and general merchandise categories. It provides consumers a consistent, one-stop source for preparation directions, nutrition facts, ingredients, allergy/drug interaction warnings and more. ## Books And Beyond is a show that plays on ACB Radio each weekend. It's hosted by Bonnie Blose, and we talk to authors, editors, publishers and other creative and interesting people. Sometimes the shows are blindness related and sometimes they're not. All Books And Beyond shows will be archived at www.accessibleworld.org on The Books And Beyond archives page. You can still call 773-572-3166 and hear them on the phone as they become available. For questions, email Nancy Lynn at freespirit52 at charter.net ### CHAT LINES I am looking for people who will like a room on my line. It is a Christian chat line. We have bible study on Saturday at 7pm central time and also we have church conference on Tuesday at 8pm. The number is 1-712-432-4823 room 1. ## Okay everybody, there is a new chatline out called the red world. If you want to go on it the number is (712) 432-5944 I know that all of you will enjoy this chatline. Check it out. Juanita ## Join a Free voice Chat Community on the Web! Hey Folks! Would you like to have lots of fun and meet other blind or visually impaired individuals from across the country and around the world? Do you like challenging interactive games, old time radio, adaptive cooking techniques, a book club, chess instruction, product presentations, real time technical assistance with your computer, Bible Study, a weekly talent showcase, programs to learn about the iPhone, and lots and lots more? Our community is made up of a set of free voice chat rooms that are extremely user friendly, and all you need is a microphone to get started! To become a member and join our Out-Of-Sight free chat community go to the website, at, www.out-of-sight.net hope to see you soon! "Catch the vision--it's Out of Sight!" ## Hello! We would like to thank everyone involved for helping to making our twenty four hour prayer vigil a success. We will have them at the end of each month. We have movies, books, music, inspiration sixteen boards games and much more, but more than that we have wonderful friends who want to extend love friendship and a kind word if someone is going through hard times in our support groups. thank you from angelrose and friends. please call 218-936-2025. ## Audio Connection The Audio Connection has moved to a new number, 712-432-4851. We offer a breakfast club Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays in room 2 at 9 a.m. We also play various games, have recorded books, streaming of a radio show in room 6 on Wednesdays from 4 to 7 E.S.T., and various other activities planned for the future. Come and check us out and have a good time. ## Mytelespace. For more information and to sign up call (832) 999-8600 or go to mytelespace.com ## Are you a Stephen King fan or wrestling fan or graphic audio fan? If so call the matchat line at 218-936-1444. The podcast menu can be found in option 4 and you can have your own VM box. Will is the line owner and he is cool too. Have a good one. ## Welcome to the Secret Garden. 218-936-2054. The Secret Garden is a place where you can go to relax and be yourself. It is the adult hideaway where you can make new friends and start a community. The Garden is fully equipped with live chat rooms like "The Lucky Seven Lounge", and "The VIP Lounge". Each live room has its own message board, so each room can be its own world. The line also has a podcast center where you can listen to music and other programming, and you can even submit your own program. You can also visit the general message boards, and establish your own voicemail box. The Garden can be used for special meetings and other events. Come one, come all to the Secret Garden, and bring your friends. 218-936-2054. While we expect everyone to be respectful, adult content may sometimes be heard. Make your own choices and use discretion. Like us on Facebook. The Secret Garden Phone Chat. ## There is a wonderful chat room for those of us who are primarily in our 20's 30's and forties, but everyone is welcome. Who knows you just might meet a special someone if you are single or just find great friends to talk to if you are already in a loving relationship call and join us at 712 432 4848 and the room number is 3. Hope to see you there. ## If you can't beat them join them. Two chat lines merge to provide awesome caller experience. How would you like games every night, coffee with friends every morning, and friends who stay up half the night? What about weekly magazines, lots of awesome movies and books, and a podcast person who takes requests? Lela and Pat have joined forces to create just the zone for you. Room activities will be hosted on The Phone Zone, 218-936-2081. More podcasts than you could ever watch will be hosted on The Podcast Zone, 218-936-2075, formerly known as The Yak Shack. Lela and Pat are good friends and we want to be your friend too. See you soon. ## Hello, welcome to Heaven's Gate, a Christian Chat line 218-936-2092 This is a drama free line where you can come and enjoy podcasts such as books, movies, music, and TV shows. Also on Sunday Mornings I have Sunday school, at 1:00 eastern time with Sunday Morning service at 11:50 eastern time. Sunday night service at 7 PM eastern time. This comes from the Trinity Baptist church in Oxford Alabama. Wednesday night prayer service at 8 PM eastern time if you have any questions, you may ask Anita the line owner. ## Lauriann invites people over 18 to join The Jungle, a Chatline for social networking purposes. They discuss topics such as music, books, and general issues specific to the blind community, all with the intent to provide an outlet for those who are interested. Call 712-432-5154 ## To join the following phone conferences, please go to Mike's Place at the times listed below. Please make note of each room code. There will be different codes for each conference listed. Please also make note of their times. The line number for Mike's Place is: 1-218-936-2053 and at the main menu hit the number: 1 for live chat rooms. To join the Friends of Reading Our Way and More phone conference, go to Mike's Place on Sunday Afternoons at 4 PM Eastern. We talk about the books we're reading, how we read them and a whole lot more. A good time is always had by all. At the main menu please hit 1 for live chat rooms, and the room code: 2665 and the pound key. To join the Meditation Hour, please visit the Room of Freedom on the 2nd and 4th Tuesday of each month at 8 PM Eastern. Again, at the main menu hit: 1 for live chat rooms, and when asked, enter the code 3733 and the pound key. The room opens at 7:45 PM and if there is to be a presentation, or a long meditation exercise, the room is locked at: 8:05-PM. To join the best Seeing Eye phone conference around, if you are a Seeing Eye grad, or if you're going into class soon to get a Seeing Eye dog from the Seeing Eye in Morristown NJ, please join us on Wednesday nights at 7 PM Eastern, and again on Saturday afternoons at 4 PM Eastern. To enter the room please hit: 1 for live chat rooms, and when asked, enter the room code: 733 464 393 and the pound key. To receive announcements about these groups, please write me at: campbell04 at charter.net ## Visit the hottest, most happening place around on the web where the blind community will be inspired and entertained! It's the BlindCafe.net and it's a great place to learn, laugh, chat and make long lasting friendships with people from around the world. There is always someone to greet you with a friendly smile night and day. It's totally free! Come and try out our awesome music, trivia games, tutorials, and interactive chats, and a whole lot more! It's totally accessible and easy to use. For more info, please Visit us at: www.BlindCafe.net It's the site where our members matter. ## The Chat Oasis, A refuge from the norm. 1-712-432-3645. We as the line owners are available most of the time. The usual chat line rules are enforced. We have games, sports talk, and other events going on weekly. Please come join us at The Chat Oasis. A chat line for the disabled. Designed for the visually impaired but all disabilities are welcome. Call 1-712-432-3645. ## Hello, Two computer chat sites are: www.vipconduit.com (Free membership is available, but $20 per year adds additional privileges) and www.for-the-people.com (Membership is free). ### EVENTS Verbal Description Tours and the Jewish Museum in New York City. Educators provide detailed descriptions of works of art for blind or partially sighted visitors. Thursday, August 8 at 6:30pm Tour of JACK GOLDSTEIN x 10,000 Led by educator Olivia Swisher Monday September 23 at 2:00pm Tea Time Tour Chagall: Love, War, and Exile includes light refreshments Led by educator Olivia Swisher Thursday, October 3 at 6:30pm Tour of Chagall: Love, War, and Exile Led by educator Olivia Swisher To register, please call 212-423-3225 or email access at thejm.org Touch Tours: Experience the Museum's permanent collection through a multi-sensory touch collection; handle replicas, smell spices, touch different fabrics, An educator guides visitors through the rich arts and objects of the Museum's collection representing over 4,000 years of Jewish art and culture in Culture and Continuity: The Jewish Journey. Continue to explore works of art through the raised drawings in the Museum's tactile graphic book, "Selected Works of Art from The Jewish Museum." For more information, please call 2120423-3225 or email access at thejm.org. Advance reservations required. Space is limited. Please note that all Access tours and programs are FREE of charge. ## Science Sense Tours - New York City: American Museum of Natural History Visitors who are blind or partially sighted are invited to attend this program, held monthly in the Museum galleries. Specially trained Museum tour guides highlight specific themes and exhibition halls, engaging participants through extensive verbal descriptions and touchable objects. Science Sense is free with Museum admission. Science Sense tours are available to individuals or groups. Space is limited and advance registration is required. Programs may be subject to change. For additional information or to register for a Science Sense tour, please call (212)313-7565 or emailaccessibility at amnh.org ### END OF SPECIAL NOTICES AND PEN PALS SUPPLEMENT This email was sent to Deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com. If you are no longer interested you can unsubscribe instantly: http://swisher.createsend5.com/t/r-u-bdlkrit-sjjkudliy-r/ From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Tue Aug 6 06:49:28 2013 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 00:49:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm an Engineering major with a long list of Chemistry and Physics courses ahead of me. When I saw thte sale flyer for this device on Facebook today, I was ready to jump on it, especially since I discovered the product about a year ago and had a feeling it would be just what I need in the coming semesters. However, someone in my household told me that instead of buying it myself, I should be encouraging my school or voc. rehab agency to do so, so it would be available for other students, and so I can be sure it is the best solution for me before spending the money. I'm still on the fence about what to do and would love to hear other students' input. The sale right now cuts the price down to 1/3 of retail price, which is pretty incredible, and I'd hate to miss the opportunity... Best, Jamie On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > I would push my school to buy it even for one class. It would then be > available to all blind/VI students. I do not trust classmates as not > everyone cares about getting A's. When I use a lab aid I will only use > someone who is majoring in the subject and has completed that course. I > want to be sure the info I am receiving is 100% accurate. > > Suzanne > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > > > I'd only buy a device if I were very interested in science or a science > > major or in a related field. > > With just a course or two needed in science, you can use a lab assistant > > to describe the information to you. > > Just saying that if you buy it make sure the expense is justifiable. > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- From: A Roth > > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:27 PM > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments > > > > Hello students, > > > > Has anyone heard of a product called the Talking Lab Quest by > Independence > > Science? I was given a flier by a colleague who attended the ISTE > > Conference. It says that the device improves access to science lab > > experiments. I'm interested in buying one (and it is on sale) if someone > > out there has one and can give me more info. Here is the link I found: > > http://specialoffer.**independencescience.com/< > http://specialoffer.independencescience.com/> > > > > Has anyone used this in class or otherwise? > > > > Thanks, > > Alan > > ______________________________**_________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Tue Aug 6 06:53:42 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 06:53:42 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: If it's not going to break your bank, buy it! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jamie P. [blackbyrdfly at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 1:49 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments I'm an Engineering major with a long list of Chemistry and Physics courses ahead of me. When I saw thte sale flyer for this device on Facebook today, I was ready to jump on it, especially since I discovered the product about a year ago and had a feeling it would be just what I need in the coming semesters. However, someone in my household told me that instead of buying it myself, I should be encouraging my school or voc. rehab agency to do so, so it would be available for other students, and so I can be sure it is the best solution for me before spending the money. I'm still on the fence about what to do and would love to hear other students' input. The sale right now cuts the price down to 1/3 of retail price, which is pretty incredible, and I'd hate to miss the opportunity... Best, Jamie On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > I would push my school to buy it even for one class. It would then be > available to all blind/VI students. I do not trust classmates as not > everyone cares about getting A's. When I use a lab aid I will only use > someone who is majoring in the subject and has completed that course. I > want to be sure the info I am receiving is 100% accurate. > > Suzanne > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > > > I'd only buy a device if I were very interested in science or a science > > major or in a related field. > > With just a course or two needed in science, you can use a lab assistant > > to describe the information to you. > > Just saying that if you buy it make sure the expense is justifiable. > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- From: A Roth > > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:27 PM > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments > > > > Hello students, > > > > Has anyone heard of a product called the Talking Lab Quest by > Independence > > Science? I was given a flier by a colleague who attended the ISTE > > Conference. It says that the device improves access to science lab > > experiments. I'm interested in buying one (and it is on sale) if someone > > out there has one and can give me more info. Here is the link I found: > > http://specialoffer.**independencescience.com/< > http://specialoffer.independencescience.com/> > > > > Has anyone used this in class or otherwise? > > > > Thanks, > > Alan > > ______________________________**_________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Tue Aug 6 09:20:26 2013 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 03:20:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The issue is that it is. I'm paying my tuition out of pocket, and not even getting in-state rates yet. My savings will run dry long before I finish my degree, and even while on sale, it's a lot of money that I will likely need to borrow and repay over time... so there are a lot of cost-benefit calculations involved. On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > If it's not going to break your bank, buy it! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jamie P. [ > blackbyrdfly at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 1:49 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments > > I'm an Engineering major with a long list of Chemistry and Physics courses > ahead of me. When I saw thte sale flyer for this device on Facebook today, > I was ready to jump on it, especially since I discovered the product about > a year ago and had a feeling it would be just what I need in the coming > semesters. However, someone in my household told me that instead of buying > it myself, I should be encouraging my school or voc. rehab agency to do so, > so it would be available for other students, and so I can be sure it is the > best solution for me before spending the money. I'm still on the fence > about what to do and would love to hear other students' input. The sale > right now cuts the price down to 1/3 of retail price, which is pretty > incredible, and I'd hate to miss the opportunity... > > Best, > > Jamie > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > > I would push my school to buy it even for one class. It would then be > > available to all blind/VI students. I do not trust classmates as not > > everyone cares about getting A's. When I use a lab aid I will only use > > someone who is majoring in the subject and has completed that course. I > > want to be sure the info I am receiving is 100% accurate. > > > > Suzanne > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett > > wrote: > > > > > I'd only buy a device if I were very interested in science or a science > > > major or in a related field. > > > With just a course or two needed in science, you can use a lab > assistant > > > to describe the information to you. > > > Just saying that if you buy it make sure the expense is justifiable. > > > Ashley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: A Roth > > > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:27 PM > > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments > > > > > > Hello students, > > > > > > Has anyone heard of a product called the Talking Lab Quest by > > Independence > > > Science? I was given a flier by a colleague who attended the ISTE > > > Conference. It says that the device improves access to science lab > > > experiments. I'm interested in buying one (and it is on sale) if > someone > > > out there has one and can give me more info. Here is the link I found: > > > http://specialoffer.**independencescience.com/< > > http://specialoffer.independencescience.com/> > > > > > > Has anyone used this in class or otherwise? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Alan > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > > > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net< > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Tue Aug 6 12:10:41 2013 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 08:10:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2097AA705@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> What does this product do? It may or may not be helpful depending on the specifics of the lab. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of A Roth Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:28 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments Hello students, Has anyone heard of a product called the Talking Lab Quest by Independence Science? I was given a flier by a colleague who attended the ISTE Conference. It says that the device improves access to science lab experiments. I'm interested in buying one (and it is on sale) if someone out there has one and can give me more info. Here is the link I found: http://specialoffer.independencescience.com/ Has anyone used this in class or otherwise? Thanks, Alan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs. fldoe.org From dburke at cocenter.org Tue Aug 6 14:39:19 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 14:39:19 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <376b66db716f4b44939c275dede2382f@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> You should pursue both the school and VR. Your school has an obligation to make your labs accessible, and this is an excellent way to do so, especially since you will likely take a number of different science labs. Also, the product is built on a widely used commercial product, the lab quest, and your school may already be using them. Thus, they would already have the appropriate probes available for labs. On the other hand, VR could definitely buy this because it is a necessary piece of equipment for your training program. Besides, you would conceivably be able to use it in employment, depending on the kind of work you go into. Now you face the classic student conundrum - the school should do it as part of their obligations under the ADA and Section 504, and the VR rules say that such reasonable accommodations should be counted as comparable benefits. Regs for the school under Section 504 say that the school can definitely go to Vr to assist with or share costs on some reasonable accommodations. If the school doesn't do it they may be violating your rights, but then VR should definitely still be held responsible. You should explore both avenues openly. Find out if your school's labs use the non-talking lab quest and probes for starters. But think about whether it is something that you personally will want and need to use in the long term. That will make it easier to justify with VR if you go that direction. Ultimately, you will have some research and negotiations ahead of you. Good luck! Dan Burke, Coordinator Success in College Take Charge with Confidence and Self-Reliance Colorado Center for the Blind 2233 W. Shepperd St. Littleton, CO 80120 303.778.1130 ext. 213 Web: www.cocenter.org Face Book: www.facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind Twitter: @cocenter4blind -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie P. Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 3:20 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments The issue is that it is. I'm paying my tuition out of pocket, and not even getting in-state rates yet. My savings will run dry long before I finish my degree, and even while on sale, it's a lot of money that I will likely need to borrow and repay over time... so there are a lot of cost-benefit calculations involved. On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > If it's not going to break your bank, buy it! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jamie P. [ > blackbyrdfly at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 1:49 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments > > I'm an Engineering major with a long list of Chemistry and Physics courses > ahead of me. When I saw thte sale flyer for this device on Facebook today, > I was ready to jump on it, especially since I discovered the product about > a year ago and had a feeling it would be just what I need in the coming > semesters. However, someone in my household told me that instead of buying > it myself, I should be encouraging my school or voc. rehab agency to do so, > so it would be available for other students, and so I can be sure it is the > best solution for me before spending the money. I'm still on the fence > about what to do and would love to hear other students' input. The sale > right now cuts the price down to 1/3 of retail price, which is pretty > incredible, and I'd hate to miss the opportunity... > > Best, > > Jamie > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > > I would push my school to buy it even for one class. It would then be > > available to all blind/VI students. I do not trust classmates as not > > everyone cares about getting A's. When I use a lab aid I will only use > > someone who is majoring in the subject and has completed that course. I > > want to be sure the info I am receiving is 100% accurate. > > > > Suzanne > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett > > wrote: > > > > > I'd only buy a device if I were very interested in science or a science > > > major or in a related field. > > > With just a course or two needed in science, you can use a lab > assistant > > > to describe the information to you. > > > Just saying that if you buy it make sure the expense is justifiable. > > > Ashley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: A Roth > > > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:27 PM > > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments > > > > > > Hello students, > > > > > > Has anyone heard of a product called the Talking Lab Quest by > > Independence > > > Science? I was given a flier by a colleague who attended the ISTE > > > Conference. It says that the device improves access to science lab > > > experiments. I'm interested in buying one (and it is on sale) if > someone > > > out there has one and can give me more info. Here is the link I found: > > > http://specialoffer.**independencescience.com/< > > http://specialoffer.independencescience.com/> > > > > > > Has anyone used this in class or otherwise? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Alan > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > > > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net< > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org From weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com Tue Aug 6 16:31:39 2013 From: weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com (The weird writer) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 11:31:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] interview about accessible netflix project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <520124EB.1030209@gmail.com> click below to read the full interview. it is about our accessible netflix project. http://www.mediaaccess.org.au/latest_news/general/campaign-for-a-more-accessible-netflix From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Tue Aug 6 20:01:16 2013 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 14:01:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments In-Reply-To: <376b66db716f4b44939c275dede2382f@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: <376b66db716f4b44939c275dede2382f@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Well I just got through talking with VR, and it would appear that they are out of the question as a resource for me. I've been on a waiting list since January when I first applied for services, and apparently the status of my case hasn't changed. They claim to have more recent applicants than money to assist them with, and everyone who applied after a certain date is now waiting indefinitely. They say they can't give an estimate of when they will have enough funding for new clients... I have yet to speak extensively about this with my school, but intend to do so this week and figure out where to go from here. Honestly, I think I'm to a point where I'd sooner buy it myself than fight terribly hard on the matter, but I'm at least going to give it a try... On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Dan Burke wrote: > You should pursue both the school and VR. > > Your school has an obligation to make your labs accessible, and this is an > excellent way to do so, especially since you will likely take a number of > different science labs. Also, the product is built on a widely used > commercial product, the lab quest, and your school may already be using > them. Thus, they would already have the appropriate probes available for > labs. > > On the other hand, VR could definitely buy this because it is a necessary > piece of equipment for your training program. Besides, you would > conceivably be able to use it in employment, depending on the kind of work > you go into. > > Now you face the classic student conundrum - the school should do it as > part of their obligations under the ADA and Section 504, and the VR rules > say that such reasonable accommodations should be counted as comparable > benefits. Regs for the school under Section 504 say that the school can > definitely go to Vr to assist with or share costs on some reasonable > accommodations. If the school doesn't do it they may be violating your > rights, but then VR should definitely still be held responsible. > > You should explore both avenues openly. Find out if your school's labs > use the non-talking lab quest and probes for starters. But think about > whether it is something that you personally will want and need to use in > the long term. That will make it easier to justify with VR if you go that > direction. > > Ultimately, you will have some research and negotiations ahead of you. > > Good luck! > Dan Burke, Coordinator > Success in College > > Take Charge with Confidence and Self-Reliance > Colorado Center for the Blind > 2233 W. Shepperd St. > Littleton, CO 80120 > 303.778.1130 ext. 213 > Web: > www.cocenter.org > > Face Book: > www.facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind > > Twitter: > @cocenter4blind > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie P. > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 3:20 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments > > The issue is that it is. I'm paying my tuition out of pocket, and not even > getting in-state rates yet. My savings will run dry long before I finish my > degree, and even while on sale, it's a lot of money that I will likely need > to borrow and repay over time... so there are a lot of cost-benefit > calculations involved. > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Joshua Lester >wrote: > > > If it's not going to break your bank, buy it! > > Blessings, Joshua > > ________________________________________ > > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jamie P. [ > > blackbyrdfly at gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 1:49 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments > > > > I'm an Engineering major with a long list of Chemistry and Physics > courses > > ahead of me. When I saw thte sale flyer for this device on Facebook > today, > > I was ready to jump on it, especially since I discovered the product > about > > a year ago and had a feeling it would be just what I need in the coming > > semesters. However, someone in my household told me that instead of > buying > > it myself, I should be encouraging my school or voc. rehab agency to do > so, > > so it would be available for other students, and so I can be sure it is > the > > best solution for me before spending the money. I'm still on the fence > > about what to do and would love to hear other students' input. The sale > > right now cuts the price down to 1/3 of retail price, which is pretty > > incredible, and I'd hate to miss the opportunity... > > > > Best, > > > > Jamie > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Suzanne Germano > wrote: > > > > > I would push my school to buy it even for one class. It would then be > > > available to all blind/VI students. I do not trust classmates as not > > > everyone cares about getting A's. When I use a lab aid I will only use > > > someone who is majoring in the subject and has completed that course. I > > > want to be sure the info I am receiving is 100% accurate. > > > > > > Suzanne > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I'd only buy a device if I were very interested in science or a > science > > > > major or in a related field. > > > > With just a course or two needed in science, you can use a lab > > assistant > > > > to describe the information to you. > > > > Just saying that if you buy it make sure the expense is justifiable. > > > > Ashley > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: A Roth > > > > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:27 PM > > > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > > Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments > > > > > > > > Hello students, > > > > > > > > Has anyone heard of a product called the Talking Lab Quest by > > > Independence > > > > Science? I was given a flier by a colleague who attended the ISTE > > > > Conference. It says that the device improves access to science lab > > > > experiments. I'm interested in buying one (and it is on sale) if > > someone > > > > out there has one and can give me more info. Here is the link I > found: > > > > http://specialoffer.**independencescience.com/< > > > http://specialoffer.independencescience.com/> > > > > > > > > Has anyone used this in class or otherwise? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alan > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > > > > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net< > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > > nabs-l: > > > > > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > > > < > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Aug 7 13:17:47 2013 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 08:17:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The August 2013 Braille Monitor Message-ID: <52023aed.8420e00a.2c55.2112@mx.google.com> Hi everyone hope you're doing well. I have a question for you all. Has the August 2013 Braille Monitor been published yet? Yesterday I checked the Nf publications page and it wasn't there. I haven't gotten an email about it. Look forward to hearing from you soon. From bre.brown24 at gmail.com Wed Aug 7 13:18:42 2013 From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:18:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The August 2013 Braille Monitor In-Reply-To: <52023aed.8420e00a.2c55.2112@mx.google.com> References: <52023aed.8420e00a.2c55.2112@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-7186634761279217021@unknownmsgid> Hi, There is not an issue published in August. The next one will be released in September. Have a great day! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2013, at 7:18 AM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hi everyone hope you're doing well. I have a question for you all. Has the August 2013 Braille Monitor been published yet? Yesterday I checked the Nf publications page and it wasn't there. I haven't gotten an email about it. Look forward to hearing from you soon. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bre.brown24%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Wed Aug 7 14:44:00 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 09:44:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible-iOS amazon requesting waiver of accessibility requirements for e-readers Message-ID: <52025d44.2c3dec0a.71c5.ffffcfa7@mx.google.com> Just thought this might interest you. Some sent it out on the Accessible-IOS list this morning. ---- Original Message ------ From: Donna Goodin ; or Rosaline Crawford at (202) 418-2075 orRosaline.Crawford at fcc.gov. From dburke at cocenter.org Wed Aug 7 15:51:14 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:51:14 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments In-Reply-To: References: <376b66db716f4b44939c275dede2382f@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <5733ac52111f49c496f272ebb463bc5e@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> It sounds like your state is in Order of Selection. Do you know if that is what they are calling it? What state do you live in? As for buying it yourself, it is easy to understand the frustration of ineffective systems. Best, Dan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie P. Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 2:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments Well I just got through talking with VR, and it would appear that they are out of the question as a resource for me. I've been on a waiting list since January when I first applied for services, and apparently the status of my case hasn't changed. They claim to have more recent applicants than money to assist them with, and everyone who applied after a certain date is now waiting indefinitely. They say they can't give an estimate of when they will have enough funding for new clients... I have yet to speak extensively about this with my school, but intend to do so this week and figure out where to go from here. Honestly, I think I'm to a point where I'd sooner buy it myself than fight terribly hard on the matter, but I'm at least going to give it a try... On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Dan Burke wrote: > You should pursue both the school and VR. > > Your school has an obligation to make your labs accessible, and this is an > excellent way to do so, especially since you will likely take a number of > different science labs. Also, the product is built on a widely used > commercial product, the lab quest, and your school may already be using > them. Thus, they would already have the appropriate probes available for > labs. > > On the other hand, VR could definitely buy this because it is a necessary > piece of equipment for your training program. Besides, you would > conceivably be able to use it in employment, depending on the kind of work > you go into. > > Now you face the classic student conundrum - the school should do it as > part of their obligations under the ADA and Section 504, and the VR rules > say that such reasonable accommodations should be counted as comparable > benefits. Regs for the school under Section 504 say that the school can > definitely go to Vr to assist with or share costs on some reasonable > accommodations. If the school doesn't do it they may be violating your > rights, but then VR should definitely still be held responsible. > > You should explore both avenues openly. Find out if your school's labs > use the non-talking lab quest and probes for starters. But think about > whether it is something that you personally will want and need to use in > the long term. That will make it easier to justify with VR if you go that > direction. > > Ultimately, you will have some research and negotiations ahead of you. > > Good luck! > Dan Burke, Coordinator > Success in College > > Take Charge with Confidence and Self-Reliance > Colorado Center for the Blind > 2233 W. Shepperd St. > Littleton, CO 80120 > 303.778.1130 ext. 213 > Web: > www.cocenter.org > > Face Book: > www.facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind > > Twitter: > @cocenter4blind > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie P. > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 3:20 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments > > The issue is that it is. I'm paying my tuition out of pocket, and not even > getting in-state rates yet. My savings will run dry long before I finish my > degree, and even while on sale, it's a lot of money that I will likely need > to borrow and repay over time... so there are a lot of cost-benefit > calculations involved. > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Joshua Lester >wrote: > > > If it's not going to break your bank, buy it! > > Blessings, Joshua > > ________________________________________ > > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jamie P. [ > > blackbyrdfly at gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 1:49 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments > > > > I'm an Engineering major with a long list of Chemistry and Physics > courses > > ahead of me. When I saw thte sale flyer for this device on Facebook > today, > > I was ready to jump on it, especially since I discovered the product > about > > a year ago and had a feeling it would be just what I need in the coming > > semesters. However, someone in my household told me that instead of > buying > > it myself, I should be encouraging my school or voc. rehab agency to do > so, > > so it would be available for other students, and so I can be sure it is > the > > best solution for me before spending the money. I'm still on the fence > > about what to do and would love to hear other students' input. The sale > > right now cuts the price down to 1/3 of retail price, which is pretty > > incredible, and I'd hate to miss the opportunity... > > > > Best, > > > > Jamie > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Suzanne Germano > wrote: > > > > > I would push my school to buy it even for one class. It would then be > > > available to all blind/VI students. I do not trust classmates as not > > > everyone cares about getting A's. When I use a lab aid I will only use > > > someone who is majoring in the subject and has completed that course. I > > > want to be sure the info I am receiving is 100% accurate. > > > > > > Suzanne > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I'd only buy a device if I were very interested in science or a > science > > > > major or in a related field. > > > > With just a course or two needed in science, you can use a lab > > assistant > > > > to describe the information to you. > > > > Just saying that if you buy it make sure the expense is justifiable. > > > > Ashley > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: A Roth > > > > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:27 PM > > > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > > Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments > > > > > > > > Hello students, > > > > > > > > Has anyone heard of a product called the Talking Lab Quest by > > > Independence > > > > Science? I was given a flier by a colleague who attended the ISTE > > > > Conference. It says that the device improves access to science lab > > > > experiments. I'm interested in buying one (and it is on sale) if > > someone > > > > out there has one and can give me more info. Here is the link I > found: > > > > http://specialoffer.**independencescience.com/< > > > http://specialoffer.independencescience.com/> > > > > > > > > Has anyone used this in class or otherwise? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alan > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > > > > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net< > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > > nabs-l: > > > > > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > > > < > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org From nightfury19 at verizon.net Wed Aug 7 18:16:57 2013 From: nightfury19 at verizon.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 14:16:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] brailler repair References: <52025d44.2c3dec0a.71c5.ffffcfa7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <01df01ce939a$4e458a70$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Does anyone know of someone or has someone repair their braillers on the list? It still comes in handy for me but, it seems to need some fixing up. Please either contact me by replying to this message or my email is: nightfury19 at verizon.net Thank you, Melissa From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Aug 8 01:59:12 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 21:59:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] brailler repair In-Reply-To: <01df01ce939a$4e458a70$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> References: <52025d44.2c3dec0a.71c5.ffffcfa7@mx.google.com> <01df01ce939a$4e458a70$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: Hi Melissa, Here is a link that might be of use to you. It lists several brailler repair people and agencies that will do it from around the country. http://www.tsbvi.edu/braille-resources/174-braille-writer-repair-information On 8/7/13, Melissa Hambleton wrote: > Does anyone know of someone or has someone repair their braillers on the > list? It still comes in handy for me but, it seems to need some fixing up. > Please either contact me by replying to this message or my email is: > > nightfury19 at verizon.net > > Thank you, > Melissa > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From nightfury19 at verizon.net Thu Aug 8 17:48:47 2013 From: nightfury19 at verizon.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 13:48:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] brailler repair References: <52025d44.2c3dec0a.71c5.ffffcfa7@mx.google.com> <01df01ce939a$4e458a70$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: <014001ce945f$88e9c9f0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Thank you so very much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaiti Shelton" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] brailler repair > Hi Melissa, > > Here is a link that might be of use to you. It lists several brailler > repair people and agencies that will do it from around the country. > > http://www.tsbvi.edu/braille-resources/174-braille-writer-repair-information > > On 8/7/13, Melissa Hambleton wrote: >> Does anyone know of someone or has someone repair their braillers on the >> list? It still comes in handy for me but, it seems to need some fixing >> up. >> Please either contact me by replying to this message or my email is: >> >> nightfury19 at verizon.net >> >> Thank you, >> Melissa >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nightfury19%40verizon.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3209/6057 - Release Date: 08/06/13 > From aec732 at msn.com Thu Aug 8 18:24:15 2013 From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 14:24:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] -to Dan Burke re: Independence Science In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dan, you likely recall IS is owned and operated by Dr. Cary Supalo. The voice output cantake some adjustment to listen to but all items work for BVI folks. Listen to a demo on YouTube. Thanks! Annemarie Cooke From ALewis at nfb.org Thu Aug 8 21:07:34 2013 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 21:07:34 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] WIA Reauthorization Call to Action Update 8/8/2013 Message-ID: <72D51A25A403F249A0FC4A94A0D9640D5CD17FF2@CH1PRD0710MB380.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Federation: The Workforce Investment Act (WIA) reauthorization, S. 1356, has been passed out of committee and may go to the Senate floor in the fall for a vote. The subminimum wage language of Section 511 of the Rehabilitation Act and the transfer of the Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) to the U.S. Department of Labor were not removed from the bill. We have work to do to remove these two provisions before the vote is taken. We are asking that each affiliate request a meeting with their senators during the current Senate recess, which takes place August 3-September 6. During the meeting, ask your senators to request and support the following two amendments to the Workforce Investment Act (WIA): 1. Strike Title V., Section 511, which would incorporate the subminimum wage language of Section 14(c) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) into the Rehabilitation Act. 2. Remove the language that would transfer the Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) to the U.S. Department of Labor. The inclusion of Section 511 in the WIA reauthorization affords us an opportunity to broaden our subminimum wage advocacy. So, while we work to ensure that Section 511 is removed from the WIA and to prevent RSA from being transferred to the U.S. Department of Labor, take advantage of this opportunity to encourage your senator to introduce a Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities bill in the U.S. Senate. Remember to clarify in your meetings that the support that some disability organizations have expressed for the passage of WIA should not necessarily be interpreted as support for Section 511. In fact, most if not all of these groups would still support WIA with the removal of Section 511. There are two documents that should be helpful in your advocacy efforts: 1. The NFB Position Paper on Section 511 of the WIA reauthorization. This document provides you with a narrative description of the problems we have identified with the language, and will enable you to speak about the issue with your senator or Senate staffer. 2. Our detailed policy analysis of Section 511. This document is helpful if you are interested in a breakdown of the bill language. In addition, it is a helpful handout you should use when meeting with your senator or Senate staffer. The position paper is posted on our Web site as a blog post. The blog can be accessed at the following Web address: https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/national-federation-blind-position-statement-section-511-title-v-workforce-investment. Please take the time to visit the blog and use the Facebook and Twitter buttons to share it with your social media network. You can access the analysis by clicking the Policy Analysis of Section 511 link within the blog post. I would like to express my appreciation to the members who participated on the strategy call last night. Any affiliate president or legislative director who was unable to make the call should contact me at your earliest convenience with any questions. This will be a true test of our grassroots advocacy. I remain confident in the fact that no organization moves a public policy agenda like the National Federation of the Blind. We will succeed in our efforts to prevent the Rehabilitation Act from being sabotaged, and we will see the eventual elimination of the unfair, discriminatory, immoral subminimum wage provision of Section 14(c) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). In the words of Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, "Come join with me on the barricades, and we will make it all come true." Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. Director of Advocacy and Policy "Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) (410) 685-5653 (FAX) Email: alewis at nfb.org Web: www.nfb.org twitter: @anillife From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Aug 8 22:27:48 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 16:27:48 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for mentors for blind teen in Los Angeles Message-ID: Hi all, I was just contacted regarding a 17-year-old high school senior who is losing vision and would like to connect with blind friends and mentors. She is planning to go to college but has not gotten a lot of blindness training and she and her parents are concerned about how she will get around and live on her own. She is also looking for blind/partially sighted peers to hang out with. I'm looking for help with the following: -- College students who'd be willing to be an email or phone mentor/pen pal for her and/or her parents; -- Blind students in California or information about social groups in California where she could meet blind teens and college students (like CABS meetings if you guys meet regularly); -- Goalball resources in California/Los Angeles area. If you'd be willing to help mentor this student or have details about social activities in CA please email me off-list at arielle71 at gmail.com as soon as you can (I'm calling her tonight). Remember that many of you came into NABS through personal relationships with mentors, and many of us were in this girl's position at one time in our lives. Thanks, Arielle From annajee82 at gmail.com Thu Aug 8 23:14:17 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 18:14:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for mentors for blind teen in Los Angeles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arielle, I live in Nebraska and don't know anything much about California. But I would certainly email or talk on the phone to this person if that would be helpful. So let me know... Anna E Givens On Aug 8, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > > I was just contacted regarding a 17-year-old high school senior who is > losing vision and would like to connect with blind friends and > mentors. She is planning to go to college but has not gotten a lot of > blindness training and she and her parents are concerned about how she > will get around and live on her own. She is also looking for > blind/partially sighted peers to hang out with. I'm looking for help > with the following: > > -- College students who'd be willing to be an email or phone > mentor/pen pal for her and/or her parents; > -- Blind students in California or information about social groups in > California where she could meet blind teens and college students (like > CABS meetings if you guys meet regularly); > -- Goalball resources in California/Los Angeles area. > > If you'd be willing to help mentor this student or have details about > social activities in CA please email me off-list at > arielle71 at gmail.com > as soon as you can (I'm calling her tonight). > > Remember that many of you came into NABS through personal > relationships with mentors, and many of us were in this girl's > position at one time in our lives. > Thanks, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From jhud7789 at gmail.com Thu Aug 8 23:35:47 2013 From: jhud7789 at gmail.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 18:35:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for mentors for blind teen in Los Angeles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7FFC0B20-8085-47A6-BA43-66888137F2DB@gmail.com> I would also be willing to do the same as well. My email is in my signature. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > Arielle, I live in Nebraska and don't know anything much about California. But I would certainly email or talk on the phone to this person if that would be helpful. So let me know... > > Anna E Givens > > On Aug 8, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I was just contacted regarding a 17-year-old high school senior who is >> losing vision and would like to connect with blind friends and >> mentors. She is planning to go to college but has not gotten a lot of >> blindness training and she and her parents are concerned about how she >> will get around and live on her own. She is also looking for >> blind/partially sighted peers to hang out with. I'm looking for help >> with the following: >> >> -- College students who'd be willing to be an email or phone >> mentor/pen pal for her and/or her parents; >> -- Blind students in California or information about social groups in >> California where she could meet blind teens and college students (like >> CABS meetings if you guys meet regularly); >> -- Goalball resources in California/Los Angeles area. >> >> If you'd be willing to help mentor this student or have details about >> social activities in CA please email me off-list at >> arielle71 at gmail.com >> as soon as you can (I'm calling her tonight). >> >> Remember that many of you came into NABS through personal >> relationships with mentors, and many of us were in this girl's >> position at one time in our lives. >> Thanks, >> Arielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com From dburke at cocenter.org Fri Aug 9 00:02:55 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 00:02:55 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] -to Dan Burke re: Independence Science In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <044ddbfd2d974abf941d85eeeaef71dd@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Oh yes, and I've recently used it in a chemistry seminar arranged for our Colorado Center for the Blind summer youth programs ... Colorado Public radio aired this last week, and it was re-broadcast on WBUR's Here and Now on Tuesday. This is a direct link to the audio... http://media.cpr.org/audio/NewsFeatures/2013/08_August/02/130802_ME_500_JB_Blind_Chem_MIXED.32.mp3 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Annemarie Cooke Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:24 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] -to Dan Burke re: Independence Science Hi Dan, you likely recall IS is owned and operated by Dr. Cary Supalo. The voice output cantake some adjustment to listen to but all items work for BVI folks. Listen to a demo on YouTube. Thanks! Annemarie Cooke _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org From freethaught at gmail.com Fri Aug 9 02:30:06 2013 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 22:30:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] online speech-language pathology program In-Reply-To: References: <51f9d7bd.25adec0a.4a99.6e89@mx.google.com> <3CC60CEF-688A-4B11-9081-ABC2D8487F8E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D888AF1-50A3-4ECF-AEC5-44938AF5E900@gmail.com> Kelsey, I am currently a student at an online university. My experiences are less then pleasant at many levels. They include accessibility, lack of contact with professors and classmates, and the extra effort to create a study of structure when you don't have the requirement of being anywhere physically. I personally do not recommend online coursework to anyone based on my own experiences. These are admittedly personal preferences, but maybe worthwhile to someone considering online school. If you ask me, don't do it. Antonio. On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:03 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi Kelsey, and welcome to NABS! > > Although I am not a speech therapy major, I can say from my volunteer > experiences as well as my coursework thus far in my music therapy > program that it's vital to have the physical concepts you will be > teaching to your clients down pat, and especially as a blind person > since we don't have the luxury of visually checking our work or using > vision to check what our clients are doing. I'm usually pretty good > at picking up physical concepts by following verbal directions, but > because I know I will need to teach/train others in these concepts I > still find checking with a professor to make sure I understood them > correctly to be very important. Because of this I think it would be > prudent and well worth the money of paying for in-person classes, > unless there is some reason like Anna said that would suggest that an > online course or a combo of in-person and cyber classes would be > better. I would speak with an advisor at the U of Akron early on > before entering the program so you can discuss your options together. > I would also highly recommend that you look for speech therapists in > your area who would be willing to have a volunteer assistant or a job > shadower. That would give you the opportunity to see what speech > therapy sessions are like early on, and if you find a good therapist > who is willing to do a little coaching in the basics it could be a > huge learning experience for you. The good thing for you is that by > being in chorus and having some familiarity with vocal technique, you > probably already have a little more of an idea of how the vocal system > works than most incoming speech therapy students. > > You might also look up some speech and language pathology, vocal > pedigogy, and anatomy books on Bookshare. I believe there is a > tactile anatomy atlas available from APH for about $100, which would > be a huge investment as it would be something you could keep for > reference throughout your career. NLS might have some additional > materials you can borrow as well. > > The NFB also has a human services devision open to any professional or > student in the therapy fields. The list is humanser at nfbnet.org. It's > a great resource and a great bunch of people if you're interested in > joining. > > On 8/1/13, Anna Givens wrote: >> Kelsey, where do you live?? Why are you looking into the online program in >> Akron? >> As far as online classes versus classroom classes. I find online classes to >> be much more work and I personally do not like them much. But some people >> really do! And it depends on what kind of class i guess too. Where do you >> work? Can you not still work if you do the regular classes instead of >> online classes? If not, then maybe online classes would be a good thing. I >> am wondering also if you have taken online classes before? >> It seems that especially with certain things you are trying ro study it >> would just work a lot better to be in a classroom or on campus in order to >> be able to interact with others to learn these things. But I think there >> are a lot of things to consider. Have you talked to the university in akron >> about this issue? >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> On Jul 31, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Kelsey Nicolay >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I just completed my studies as an undergraduate with a degree in >>> communication and French. However, in a couple years, I am looking to go >>> back to school for speech therapy. I am looking at a program at the >>> University of Akron in Akron, Ohio which is online. I am completely blind >>> so I use JAWS and a braille note to accomplish school work. I am >>> proficient with JAWS so that is not an issue. The concern I have is that >>> since the program is online, I won't be able to interact with professors >>> in the same way. I am referring particularly to the anatomy portions of >>> the program. I took an anatomy class before but it was at my college in a >>> classroom. Since I will not have access to diagrams and images, how would >>> I effectively the visual concepts? Would I need a sighted assistant who >>> can describe any visuals to me? Or could I ask the university to assign me >>> a personal assistant who could help me with the coursework? Would I be >>> better off completing my degree on campus as opposed to online? The >>> advantages to the online program are that I can continue working while >>> completing my degree as well as being able to complete my alinicals in my >>> home city. Any speech therapy majors out there, please shed some light on >>> this topic, I want to make sure I am making an informed decision and that >>> my tuition money is being well spent. Either way, what methods did you >>> find helpful when you were completing your courses? I am a very physical >>> person so I would actually need to be shown exactly where the different >>> speech organs were located. >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Kelsey Nicolay >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From freethaught at gmail.com Fri Aug 9 02:52:17 2013 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 22:52:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille In-Reply-To: <6D7B22CF-CE60-42D6-A911-FAE6F7728E54@gmail.com> References: <772D4B6B-7707-406F-91CB-2D987EFBDFFA@gmail.com> <6D7B22CF-CE60-42D6-A911-FAE6F7728E54@gmail.com> Message-ID: <76743780-B7FD-497B-807F-1E0D54C0DFD9@gmail.com> Hello all, Anna, thank you for your original message. Yes, this is a personal decision for you. My personal choice in this case would be to avoid reading so much braille. Yes, I am a descenting voice in an Organization and environment that advocates for braille literacy, but I would think that reading braille for braille's sake at the risk of discomfort, pain, and health problems would not be worth it. Antonio On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > It is different then carpel tunnel, but similar. There is a surgery that can be done for hand tendonitis, where they take some of the inflamed tendons out. However, surgery, is a very last resort for me. > But true.... It is an option. > > I guess I could investigate reading with one hand. I was taught to read with both hands, because it is faster. But... I don't know that much about braille reading and I could try it out. > Thanks > > Anna E Givens > > On Aug 5, 2013, at 8:43 AM, "melissa Green" wrote: > >> sounds like carpal tunnel to me. >> I had carpal tunnel and they did a surgery called carpal tunnel release on >> me. >> Haven't had any more problems. >> its something to be investegated. >> Blessings, >> Melissa Green and PJ >> Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot >> drive out hate; only love can do that.--Martin Luther King, Jr. >> facebook Melissa R Green >> twitter: melissa5674 >> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >> skype: lissa5674 >> Goodreads Melissa Green >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anna Givens" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >> >> >> Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very glad to hear >> about it, because I have asked around and I couldn't find anyone who had had >> this experience. >> I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part of the >> problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... Anti-inflammatory,ice, >> physical therapy, and wrist brace. And then he said, The best treatment is >> to not use your hand. But that is very unrealistic, for anyone. So just try >> to not use it as much as possible, and when reading relax it as much as >> possible. >> So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now that I am >> reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. Did your pain go away? >> Or do you still have it? >> Thanks! >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Anna, >>> >>> I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've experienced >>> severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend >>> reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so I do >>> a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to other >>> formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in ice-water; >>> I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, >>> though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. >>> >>> My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to consider >>> taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that reading >>> in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and ultimately >>> make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to your >>> doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? >>> >>> I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has been a >>> recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not to >>> mention painful. >>> >>> Very best of luck in dealing with this! >>> >>> Lucy >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Anna Givens >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >>> >>>> Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be >>> solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe someone >>> else has been through this: >>>> I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use >>> it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that I can use >>> it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to speech, for >>> me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. >>> This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand is to >>> not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take anti-inflammatory >>> meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, also >>> use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although >>> that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse and >>> worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is just >>> going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very frustrating! >>> I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It is my >>> decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like that? >>> And what did you do? >>> >>>> Anna E Givens >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% >>> 40earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From ALewis at nfb.org Fri Aug 9 17:33:05 2013 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:33:05 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] WIA Reauthorization Call to Action Update 8/8/2013 Message-ID: <72D51A25A403F249A0FC4A94A0D9640D5CD18C4D@CH1PRD0710MB380.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Federation: The Workforce Investment Act (WIA) reauthorization, S. 1356, has been passed out of committee and may go to the Senate floor in the fall for a vote. The subminimum wage language of Section 511 of the Rehabilitation Act and the transfer of the Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) to the U.S. Department of Labor were not removed from the bill. We have work to do to remove these two provisions before the vote is taken. We are asking that each affiliate request a meeting with their senators during the current Senate recess, which takes place August 3-September 6. During the meeting, ask your senators to request and support the following two amendments to the Workforce Investment Act (WIA): 1. Strike Title V., Section 511, which would incorporate the subminimum wage language of Section 14(c) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) into the Rehabilitation Act. 2. Remove the language that would transfer the Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) to the U.S. Department of Labor. The inclusion of Section 511 in the WIA reauthorization affords us an opportunity to broaden our subminimum wage advocacy. So, while we work to ensure that Section 511 is removed from the WIA and to prevent RSA from being transferred to the U.S. Department of Labor, take advantage of this opportunity to encourage your senator to introduce a Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities bill in the U.S. Senate. Remember to clarify in your meetings that the support that some disability organizations have expressed for the passage of WIA should not necessarily be interpreted as support for Section 511. In fact, most if not all of these groups would still support WIA with the removal of Section 511. There are two documents that should be helpful in your advocacy efforts: 1. The NFB Position Paper on Section 511 of the WIA reauthorization. This document provides you with a narrative description of the problems we have identified with the language, and will enable you to speak about the issue with your senator or Senate staffer. 2. Our detailed policy analysis of Section 511. This document is helpful if you are interested in a breakdown of the bill language. In addition, it is a helpful handout you should use when meeting with your senator or Senate staffer. The position paper is posted on our Web site as a blog post. The blog can be accessed at the following Web address: https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/national-federation-blind-position-statement-section-511-title-v-workforce-investment. Please take the time to visit the blog and use the Facebook and Twitter buttons to share it with your social media network. You can access the analysis by clicking the Policy Analysis of Section 511 link within the blog post. I would like to express my appreciation to the members who participated on the strategy call last night. Any affiliate president or legislative director who was unable to make the call should contact me at your earliest convenience with any questions. This will be a true test of our grassroots advocacy. I remain confident in the fact that no organization moves a public policy agenda like the National Federation of the Blind. We will succeed in our efforts to prevent the Rehabilitation Act from being sabotaged, and we will see the eventual elimination of the unfair, discriminatory, immoral subminimum wage provision of Section 14(c) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). In the words of Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, "Come join with me on the barricades, and we will make it all come true." Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. Director of Advocacy and Policy "Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) (410) 685-5653 (FAX) Email: alewis at nfb.org Web: www.nfb.org twitter: @anillife From leyeshprintse at ymail.com Fri Aug 9 20:00:12 2013 From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 22:00:12 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] online speech-language pathology program In-Reply-To: <3D888AF1-50A3-4ECF-AEC5-44938AF5E900@gmail.com> References: <51f9d7bd.25adec0a.4a99.6e89@mx.google.com> <3CC60CEF-688A-4B11-9081-ABC2D8487F8E@gmail.com> <3D888AF1-50A3-4ECF-AEC5-44938AF5E900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93BE8D7B-2844-4FF1-ACA4-24D09655E000@ymail.com> BS"D Kelsey, I've experiences of online education from both the adult education and university levels and the quality of the education varies as it can do in the classroom. If I would give you my advice it would be to look up how the university looks on online education, some universities are really serious while others aren't and treat their online students as garbage! You also need to be devoted and have the right mindset, online education isn't for everyone! I've loved it but now I'm thinking of studying on campus since I need to create a better network which is really difficult as an online student! Good luck with your choice! Kind regards, Leye-Shprintse <3 From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Fri Aug 9 20:50:46 2013 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:50:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique Message-ID: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> Hello, I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my family or friends just because it is faster for everyone. However, since I may have to take the transit sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch independently? If so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go about taking over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my college women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? Thanks, From jhud7789 at gmail.com Fri Aug 9 21:59:14 2013 From: jhud7789 at gmail.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 16:59:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> References: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <22F69444-DBCE-4467-818D-5AA4E4BEC8F1@gmail.com> Hello Kelsey, I do agree Sattig guide is faster. And it does not take that long to teach somebody how to do it I don't even matter of seconds for somebody else me and I felt very comfortable about it. Every once in a while though you will run into that one person that doesn't feel comfortable with Linda hold their arm. As for mobility is best that you get somebody in your family that knows what's ECUs in order to find stuff and get them to teaching that way you're not that confused or even a friend that matter. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my family or friends just because it is faster for everyone. However, since I may have to take the transit sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch independently? If so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go about taking over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my college women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Fri Aug 9 22:00:03 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:00:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> References: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <50C54BA2-1B4B-443A-9265-11E0457B633E@gmail.com> You are going to use the the transit driver as a sighted guide??? Have you gone anywhere by yourself before? I am confused... Please explain. I don't see any problem with using a sighted guide, but how are you going to use a transit driver for that? And why would you use anyone to figure out the church. This seems like a simple task. Please explain. Anna E Givens On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my family or friends just because it is faster for everyone. However, since I may have to take the transit sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch independently? If so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go about taking over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my college women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Aug 9 22:12:39 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 16:12:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: <22F69444-DBCE-4467-818D-5AA4E4BEC8F1@gmail.com> References: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> <22F69444-DBCE-4467-818D-5AA4E4BEC8F1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Kelsey, I think it's fine to go sighted guide with someone from your chorus if you want. However, there might also be times when it is easier to walk around on your own, if someone isn't available to guide you or if you want to go somewhere that your companions aren't going. Anybody can show you how to find your way around the church or the surrounding neighborhood, not just a mobility instructor. The first time you go there, you can simply ask to follow behind someone who is with you, or a family member, without doing sighted guide. This will help you to identify auditory or tactile landmarks that you can use to remember where things are. You can also ask the person you are following to give you verbal directions the first time you walk through or to point out landmarks for you. Also, it is OK to walk around the church without knowing exactly where you are going, and then ask people for directions along the way, even people you don't know. Good luck and enjoy, Arielle On 8/9/13, Joseph Hudson wrote: > Hello Kelsey, I do agree Sattig guide is faster. And it does not take that > long to teach somebody how to do it I don't even matter of seconds for > somebody else me and I felt very comfortable about it. Every once in a while > though you will run into that one person that doesn't feel comfortable with > Linda hold their arm. As for mobility is best that you get somebody in your > family that knows what's ECUs in order to find stuff and get them to > teaching that way you're not that confused or even a friend that matter. > > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Kelsey Nicolay > wrote: > >> Hello, >> I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at a >> church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my parents >> have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. My question >> is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my family or friends >> just because it is faster for everyone. However, since I may have to take >> the transit sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is >> appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the >> transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for >> someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch independently? If >> so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go >> about taking over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my >> college women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a >> community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? >> Thanks, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Fri Aug 9 22:31:41 2013 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:31:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique Message-ID: Hi Kelsey, I agree that it's fine to use sighted guide but that it would be good to have the option of walking on your own; I'm sure you will find this quite doable if you follow Arielle's suggestions. I'm also wondering whether you use a cane, which can often take the place of sighted guide? Lucy > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 16:12:39 -0600 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique >Hi Kelsey, >I think it's fine to go sighted guide with someone from your chorus if >you want. However, there might also be times when it is easier to walk >around on your own, if someone isn't available to guide you or if you >want to go somewhere that your companions aren't going. Anybody can >show you how to find your way around the church or the surrounding >neighborhood, not just a mobility instructor. The first time you go >there, you can simply ask to follow behind someone who is with you, or >a family member, without doing sighted guide. This will help you to >identify auditory or tactile landmarks that you can use to remember >where things are. You can also ask the person you are following to >give you verbal directions the first time you walk through or to point >out landmarks for you. Also, it is OK to walk around the church >without knowing exactly where you are going, and then ask people for >directions along the way, even people you don't know. >Good luck and enjoy, >Arielle >On 8/9/13, Joseph Hudson wrote: >> Hello Kelsey, I do agree Sattig guide is faster. And it does not take that >> long to teach somebody how to do it I don't even matter of seconds for >> somebody else me and I felt very comfortable about it. Every once in a while >> though you will run into that one person that doesn't feel comfortable with >> Linda hold their arm. As for mobility is best that you get somebody in your >> family that knows what's ECUs in order to find stuff and get them to >> teaching that way you're not that confused or even a friend that matter. >> Joseph Hudson >> Email >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone >> On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Kelsey Nicolay > wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at a >>> church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my parents >>> have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. My question >>> is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my family or friends >>> just because it is faster for everyone. However, since I may have to take >>> the transit sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is >>> appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the >>> transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for >>> someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch independently? If >>> so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go >>> about taking over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my >>> college women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a >>> community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? >>> Thanks, >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gm ail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40earthlink.net From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 10 02:48:48 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 22:48:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> References: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00b501ce9574$23a3ded0$6aeb9c70$@gmail.com> All of the techniques presented are accurate. You would definitely want the ability to independently negociate the church environment, with sided guide as a back up option. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 4:51 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique Hello, I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my family or friends just because it is faster for everyone. However, since I may have to take the transit sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch independently? If so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go about taking over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my college women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? Thanks, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 10 02:54:59 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 02:54:59 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: <00b501ce9574$23a3ded0$6aeb9c70$@gmail.com> References: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com>, <00b501ce9574$23a3ded0$6aeb9c70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wow! Of course, use sighted guide if that's what you want to do. BTW, if your chorus ever records any of your concerts, I'd be interested in hearing them! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 9:48 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique All of the techniques presented are accurate. You would definitely want the ability to independently negociate the church environment, with sided guide as a back up option. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 4:51 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique Hello, I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my family or friends just because it is faster for everyone. However, since I may have to take the transit sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch independently? If so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go about taking over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my college women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? Thanks, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From carlymih at comcast.net Sat Aug 10 06:06:22 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 23:06:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> References: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130809230317.01dbc4f0@comcast.net> Hi, Tina, Go sighted guide unless you're out to prove some eitherial point, which I highly doubt is the case. You know what you are capable of so why need you prove it to anyone? Take the arm because you're right, of course it's faster for everyone! Good luck, Tina! for Today, Car "That which produces bliss should be used in worship since it ravishes the heart" - Tantraloka At 01:50 PM 8/9/2013, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >Hello, >I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices >at a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means >my parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our >camper. My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide >with my family or friends just because it is faster for >everyone. However, since I may have to take the transit sometimes >or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to >use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the transit >driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for >someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch >independently? If so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how >would a family member go about taking over this role? I used sighted >guide with my friends in my college women's chohus, but I have a >feeling that since this group is a community group, it will be >different. What do you guwiths think? >Thanks, > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From lilliepennington at fuse.net Sat Aug 10 06:47:37 2013 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 02:47:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130809230317.01dbc4f0@comcast.net> References: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130809230317.01dbc4f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <720B8F34-12FD-47DA-9F9C-8A5A42DEA137@fuse.net> I would personally say sited guide is okay. You can generally get a feel for who won't mind. I would just make sure that if you needed or wanted to get around the building independently that you could Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:06 AM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Hi, Tina, > > Go sighted guide unless you're out to prove some eitherial point, which I highly doubt is the case. You know what you are capable of so why need you prove it to anyone? Take the arm because you're right, of course it's faster for everyone! > Good luck, Tina! > for Today, Car > "That which produces bliss should be used in worship since it ravishes the heart" > - Tantraloka At 01:50 PM 8/9/2013, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >> Hello, >> I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my family or friends just because it is faster for everyone. However, since I may have to take the transit sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch independently? If so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go about taking over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my college women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? >> Thanks, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sat Aug 10 11:39:17 2013 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 06:39:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique Message-ID: One thing I try to do is to not make whomever I happen to walk with responsible for me. I use my cane when I am walking sighted guide, and I try to walk more or less next to the person instead of lagging behind as is normally suggested. For me, it serves two purposes. Walking sighted guide makes it easier for me to talk with the person, and if it is an environment where it is hard to hear and I need to follow, it takes care of that as well. There is no absolute answer to this question in my opinion, but one has to judge if using sighted guide prevents one from learning an environment well enough to travel independently if one has to. If one goes to a location often but needs to use sighted guide to get to a restroom, then one probably should make an effort to know the area better, but that doesn't necessarily mean never using sighted guide techniques. The other guideline for me is trying to use sighted guide because it is more convenient for some reason and not because I absolutely have to. Best regards, Steve On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 23:06:22 -0700, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >Hi, Tina, >Go sighted guide unless you're out to prove some eitherial point, >which I highly doubt is the case. You know what you are capable of so >why need you prove it to anyone? Take the arm because you're right, >of course it's faster for everyone! >Good luck, Tina! >for Today, Car >"That which produces bliss should be used in worship since it >ravishes the heart" >- Tantraloka At 01:50 PM 8/9/2013, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >>Hello, >>I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices >>at a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means >>my parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our >>camper. My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide >>with my family or friends just because it is faster for >>everyone. However, since I may have to take the transit sometimes >>or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to >>use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the transit >>driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for >>someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch >>independently? If so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how >>would a family member go about taking over this role? I used sighted >>guide with my friends in my college women's chohus, but I have a >>feeling that since this group is a community group, it will be >>different. What do you guwiths think? >>Thanks, >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From carlymih at comcast.net Sat Aug 10 16:45:47 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:45:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: <22F69444-DBCE-4467-818D-5AA4E4BEC8F1@gmail.com> References: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> <22F69444-DBCE-4467-818D-5AA4E4BEC8F1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130810094109.01dbc4f0@comcast.net> Good morning, List, My partner and I who is himself a total, as well as someone interested in the instruction of mobility find it easiest to adapt the sighted guide technique, by placing a hand on guide's shoulder. We find that it gives she being guided, more latitude for movement and it nigates that whole thing of "Do I grab your arm, or do you grab mine?" Try it some time! , Joseph Hudson wrote: >Hello Kelsey, I do agree Sattig guide is faster. And it does not >take that long to teach somebody how to do it I don't even matter of >seconds for somebody else me and I felt very comfortable about it. >Every once in a while though you will run into that one person that >doesn't feel comfortable with Linda hold their arm. As for mobility >is best that you get somebody in your family that knows what's ECUs >in order to find stuff and get them to teaching that way you're not >that confused or even a friend that matter. > >Joseph Hudson >Email >jhud7789 at yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone > >On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > > > Hello, > > I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group > practices at a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings > which means my parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down > to our camper. My question is this: I have always just went > sighted guide with my family or friends just because it is faster > for everyone. However, since I may have to take the transit > sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is > appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be > the transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I > arrange for someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch > independently? If so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how > would a family member go about taking over this role? I used > sighted guide with my friends in my college women's chohus, but I > have a feeling that since this group is a community group, it will > be different. What do you guwiths think? > > Thanks, > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Aug 10 18:01:44 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 13:01:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers Message-ID: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> Hey Listers, I'm in high school, and most of the time, I print out assignments to turn them in to my teachers. However, I have no way of knowing which of the printed papers in my bag is for math and which for English, etc, so I often have to fumble around in my bag, pull out all of my paprs, and ask my friends to tell me which one is which. How do you guys keep your print papers organized? Are any systems particularly effective? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Sophie From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Sat Aug 10 18:25:03 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:25:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers In-Reply-To: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> References: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Sophie, There are several very simple solutions to this. I used to hand in print papers in high school as well and file folders are extremely effective. You can get folders for each subject and put braille labels for math, English, etc and this way, all your papers for each class is organized in one place. Another method that worked really well for me is I would use a Perkins brailler (or slate and stylus if you don't have one) and braille the title of the paper at the bottom of the page. Binders and office pouches can be useful as well, but I found that they were too messy for my taste because my papers would always end up in the wrong sections. I'm not sure what year you are in high school, but I would also recommend you start sending papers to your teachers through email; I started doing this my junior year of high school just to get me prepared for college. A lot of professors papers to be sent electronically and it makes life a lot easier for you as well. Hope this helps, Minh On 8/10/13, Sophie Trist wrote: > Hey Listers, > > I'm in high school, and most of the time, I print out assignments > to turn them in to my teachers. However, I have no way of knowing > which of the printed papers in my bag is for math and which for > English, etc, so I often have to fumble around in my bag, pull > out all of my paprs, and ask my friends to tell me which one is > which. How do you guys keep your print papers organized? Are any > systems particularly effective? Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From kathrynwebster at me.com Sat Aug 10 18:26:51 2013 From: kathrynwebster at me.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:26:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers In-Reply-To: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> References: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8C8671AE-3C79-48A4-840B-A0FD3622BC6D@me.com> Hey Sophie: What I recently started doing was I bought a folder-type thing that has 8 separate pockets' Right when I print something out, I put it directly in its designated slot. I organize the slots per class, either alphebatically or by period number. It works very effectively. Best, Kathryn Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Hey Listers, > > I'm in high school, and most of the time, I print out assignments to turn them in to my teachers. However, I have no way of knowing which of the printed papers in my bag is for math and which for English, etc, so I often have to fumble around in my bag, pull out all of my paprs, and ask my friends to tell me which one is which. How do you guys keep your print papers organized? Are any systems particularly effective? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com Sat Aug 10 18:27:02 2013 From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:27:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers In-Reply-To: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> References: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6492AC83-3D8D-471B-A206-D3BCC969C24C@aol.com> Hey Sophie, I battled this a lot in high school and there are a number of ways I found worked well. One way is to have a label on one of the corners of the paper like a high dot or a Braille symbol that can be easily removed when you turn the assignment in. A second idea which is not my first choice but may work is to designate a space in a binder or folder with a label on a divider and such. I did not like this method because I had to many binders and folders to keep track of. Finally, I used a flash drive with electronic folders for every class. You will want more then one flash drive so you can give the work to your teachers but, easy solution to avoid printing. In fact if you have a flash drive for every class you can see if your teachers can give you work in an electronic format. You complete the work and entangle the drive back and forth. Finally, I understand your in high school but, email is always an option. If you have a school email see if you can email your teachers the assignments that need to be printed. I hope some of these ideas help. Best, Bridget Sent from my iPad On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Hey Listers, > > I'm in high school, and most of the time, I print out assignments to turn them in to my teachers. However, I have no way of knowing which of the printed papers in my bag is for math and which for English, etc, so I often have to fumble around in my bag, pull out all of my paprs, and ask my friends to tell me which one is which. How do you guys keep your print papers organized? Are any systems particularly effective? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 10 18:51:39 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:51:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers In-Reply-To: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> References: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8A29ABE2-6BB2-4815-8F76-4B305BDAAA55@yahoo.com> Hello. I would suggest having separate notebooks or folders for each subject. Yiu can label theses however yiu prefer (Braille, large print, bump dots, etc) then place printed assignments in the appropriate folder or notebook. You can also get an accordion styled folder and do the same thing. Or, to make it even simpler, braille a label on a notecard describing what the paper is, and paper lip it to the paper. Hope this helps! Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Hey Listers, > > I'm in high school, and most of the time, I print out assignments to turn them in to my teachers. However, I have no way of knowing which of the printed papers in my bag is for math and which for English, etc, so I often have to fumble around in my bag, pull out all of my paprs, and ask my friends to tell me which one is which. How do you guys keep your print papers organized? Are any systems particularly effective? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 10 19:20:25 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 15:20:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers In-Reply-To: <8A29ABE2-6BB2-4815-8F76-4B305BDAAA55@yahoo.com> References: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> <8A29ABE2-6BB2-4815-8F76-4B305BDAAA55@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <-3458977048545028497@unknownmsgid> Hey Sophie, I usually use either index cards or sticky braille paper to label my print papers. If using an index card, you could braille the label either with the sleep and stylus or a Perkins, then staple the index card to the top of the paper. I personally put mine in the top left corner of the print Paper so it does not get in the way of the print itself. You could also use sticky braille paper, which you can put into a Purkins Brailer and braille the label, then stick it to the printer paper. There is also the option of getting rid of paper altogether and emailing your assignments To your teachers. I am now doing this for everything except math Hope this helps, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Hello. > > I would suggest having separate notebooks or folders for each subject. Yiu can label theses however yiu prefer (Braille, large print, bump dots, etc) then place printed assignments in the appropriate folder or notebook. You can also get an accordion styled folder and do the same thing. > > Or, to make it even simpler, braille a label on a notecard describing what the paper is, and paper lip it to the paper. > > Hope this helps! > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > > On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> Hey Listers, >> >> I'm in high school, and most of the time, I print out assignments to turn them in to my teachers. However, I have no way of knowing which of the printed papers in my bag is for math and which for English, etc, so I often have to fumble around in my bag, pull out all of my paprs, and ask my friends to tell me which one is which. How do you guys keep your print papers organized? Are any systems particularly effective? Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Sincerely, >> Sophie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Aug 10 20:07:00 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:07:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille In-Reply-To: <76743780-B7FD-497B-807F-1E0D54C0DFD9@gmail.com> References: <772D4B6B-7707-406F-91CB-2D987EFBDFFA@gmail.com> <6D7B22CF-CE60-42D6-A911-FAE6F7728E54@gmail.com> <76743780-B7FD-497B-807F-1E0D54C0DFD9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Reading Braille with one hand is slower, but it still works. It may not be a great way to read books, but to read short notes or to use when speaking in front of a group, it should be fine. It's a better option than giving up Braille altogether, in my opinion. Arielle On 8/8/13, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote: > Hello all, > > Anna, thank you for your original message. Yes, this is a personal decision > for you. My personal choice in this case would be to avoid reading so much > braille. Yes, I am a descenting voice in an Organization and environment > that advocates for braille literacy, but I would think that reading braille > for braille's sake at the risk of discomfort, pain, and health problems > would not be worth it. > > Antonio > > On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > >> It is different then carpel tunnel, but similar. There is a surgery that >> can be done for hand tendonitis, where they take some of the inflamed >> tendons out. However, surgery, is a very last resort for me. >> But true.... It is an option. >> >> I guess I could investigate reading with one hand. I was taught to read >> with both hands, because it is faster. But... I don't know that much >> about braille reading and I could try it out. >> Thanks >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> On Aug 5, 2013, at 8:43 AM, "melissa Green" wrote: >> >>> sounds like carpal tunnel to me. >>> I had carpal tunnel and they did a surgery called carpal tunnel release >>> on >>> me. >>> Haven't had any more problems. >>> its something to be investegated. >>> Blessings, >>> Melissa Green and PJ >>> Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot >>> drive out hate; only love can do that.--Martin Luther King, Jr. >>> facebook Melissa R Green >>> twitter: melissa5674 >>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >>> skype: lissa5674 >>> Goodreads Melissa Green >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Anna Givens" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >>> >>> >>> Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very glad to >>> hear >>> about it, because I have asked around and I couldn't find anyone who had >>> had >>> this experience. >>> I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part of the >>> problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... Anti-inflammatory,ice, >>> physical therapy, and wrist brace. And then he said, The best treatment >>> is >>> to not use your hand. But that is very unrealistic, for anyone. So just >>> try >>> to not use it as much as possible, and when reading relax it as much as >>> possible. >>> So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now that I >>> am >>> reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. Did your pain go >>> away? >>> Or do you still have it? >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Anna E Givens >>> >>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Anna, >>>> >>>> I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've experienced >>>> severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend >>>> reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so I >>>> do >>>> a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to other >>>> formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in >>>> ice-water; >>>> I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, >>>> >>>> though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. >>>> >>>> My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to consider >>>> taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that >>>> reading >>>> in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and ultimately >>>> >>>> make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to >>>> your >>>> doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? >>>> >>>> I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has been a >>>> recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not to >>>> >>>> mention painful. >>>> >>>> Very best of luck in dealing with this! >>>> >>>> Lucy >>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Anna Givens >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >>>> >>>>> Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be >>>> solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe someone >>>> >>>> else has been through this: >>>>> I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use >>>> it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that I can >>>> use >>>> it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to speech, for >>>> >>>> me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. >>>> >>>> This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand is >>>> to >>>> not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take >>>> anti-inflammatory >>>> meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, >>>> also >>>> use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although >>>> that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse and >>>> >>>> worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is just >>>> going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very frustrating! >>>> >>>> I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It is >>>> my >>>> decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like >>>> that? >>>> And what did you do? >>>> >>>>> Anna E Givens >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% >>>> 40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dsykora29 at gmail.com Sat Aug 10 23:43:24 2013 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:43:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers In-Reply-To: <-3458977048545028497@unknownmsgid> References: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> <8A29ABE2-6BB2-4815-8F76-4B305BDAAA55@yahoo.com> <-3458977048545028497@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Sophie, I have found that designating a folder for each class is the most helpful in keeping printed papers organized. I would have to agree that emailing your teachers assignments might be more effective. I have been emailing all of my teachers my assignments since my freshman year of high school and I have found it to be much easier than dealing with printed papers. I also receive all of my assignments (except math) emailed to me by my teachers. Danielle On 8/10/13, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Hey Sophie, > > I usually use either index cards or sticky braille paper to label my > print papers. If using an index card, you could braille the label > either with the sleep and stylus or a Perkins, then staple the index > card to the top of the paper. I personally put mine in the top left > corner of the print Paper so it does not get in the way of the print > itself. You could also use sticky braille paper, which you can put > into a Purkins Brailer and braille the label, then stick it to the > printer paper. There is also the option of getting rid of paper > altogether and emailing your assignments To your teachers. I am now > doing this for everything except math > > Hope this helps, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> I would suggest having separate notebooks or folders for each subject. Yiu >> can label theses however yiu prefer (Braille, large print, bump dots, etc) >> then place printed assignments in the appropriate folder or notebook. You >> can also get an accordion styled folder and do the same thing. >> >> Or, to make it even simpler, braille a label on a notecard describing what >> the paper is, and paper lip it to the paper. >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >> On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Sophie Trist >> wrote: >> >>> Hey Listers, >>> >>> I'm in high school, and most of the time, I print out assignments to turn >>> them in to my teachers. However, I have no way of knowing which of the >>> printed papers in my bag is for math and which for English, etc, so I >>> often have to fumble around in my bag, pull out all of my paprs, and ask >>> my friends to tell me which one is which. How do you guys keep your print >>> papers organized? Are any systems particularly effective? Any help would >>> be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Sophie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From annajee82 at gmail.com Sat Aug 10 23:54:48 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:54:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille In-Reply-To: References: <772D4B6B-7707-406F-91CB-2D987EFBDFFA@gmail.com> <6D7B22CF-CE60-42D6-A911-FAE6F7728E54@gmail.com> <76743780-B7FD-497B-807F-1E0D54C0DFD9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C22150E-C064-4AD4-8A65-303BB998FAF1@gmail.com> Ok... Thats what i was thinking..... Like it is doable but not a good option for college level reading. I was trying to get my reading speed up so i could use it in college. But it doesnt look like this is going to work out. So then I need suggestions...has anyone lost their sight and found out listening to things just isn't their thing? Not that you just don't like it. But it really doesn't work. I don't know what to do .... Anna E Givens On Aug 10, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Reading Braille with one hand is slower, but it still works. It may > not be a great way to read books, but to read short notes or to use > when speaking in front of a group, it should be fine. It's a better > option than giving up Braille altogether, in my opinion. > Arielle > > On 8/8/13, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Anna, thank you for your original message. Yes, this is a personal decision >> for you. My personal choice in this case would be to avoid reading so much >> braille. Yes, I am a descenting voice in an Organization and environment >> that advocates for braille literacy, but I would think that reading braille >> for braille's sake at the risk of discomfort, pain, and health problems >> would not be worth it. >> >> Antonio >> >> On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >> >>> It is different then carpel tunnel, but similar. There is a surgery that >>> can be done for hand tendonitis, where they take some of the inflamed >>> tendons out. However, surgery, is a very last resort for me. >>> But true.... It is an option. >>> >>> I guess I could investigate reading with one hand. I was taught to read >>> with both hands, because it is faster. But... I don't know that much >>> about braille reading and I could try it out. >>> Thanks >>> >>> Anna E Givens >>> >>> On Aug 5, 2013, at 8:43 AM, "melissa Green" wrote: >>> >>>> sounds like carpal tunnel to me. >>>> I had carpal tunnel and they did a surgery called carpal tunnel release >>>> on >>>> me. >>>> Haven't had any more problems. >>>> its something to be investegated. >>>> Blessings, >>>> Melissa Green and PJ >>>> Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot >>>> drive out hate; only love can do that.--Martin Luther King, Jr. >>>> facebook Melissa R Green >>>> twitter: melissa5674 >>>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >>>> skype: lissa5674 >>>> Goodreads Melissa Green >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Anna Givens" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:51 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >>>> >>>> >>>> Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very glad to >>>> hear >>>> about it, because I have asked around and I couldn't find anyone who had >>>> had >>>> this experience. >>>> I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part of the >>>> problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... Anti-inflammatory,ice, >>>> physical therapy, and wrist brace. And then he said, The best treatment >>>> is >>>> to not use your hand. But that is very unrealistic, for anyone. So just >>>> try >>>> to not use it as much as possible, and when reading relax it as much as >>>> possible. >>>> So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now that I >>>> am >>>> reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. Did your pain go >>>> away? >>>> Or do you still have it? >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Anna E Givens >>>> >>>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Anna, >>>>> >>>>> I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've experienced >>>>> severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend >>>>> reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so I >>>>> do >>>>> a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to other >>>>> formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in >>>>> ice-water; >>>>> I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, >>>>> >>>>> though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. >>>>> >>>>> My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to consider >>>>> taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that >>>>> reading >>>>> in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and ultimately >>>>> >>>>> make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to >>>>> your >>>>> doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? >>>>> >>>>> I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has been a >>>>> recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not to >>>>> >>>>> mention painful. >>>>> >>>>> Very best of luck in dealing with this! >>>>> >>>>> Lucy >>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Anna Givens >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >>>>> >>>>>> Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be >>>>> solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe someone >>>>> >>>>> else has been through this: >>>>>> I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use >>>>> it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that I can >>>>> use >>>>> it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to speech, for >>>>> >>>>> me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. >>>>> >>>>> This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand is >>>>> to >>>>> not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take >>>>> anti-inflammatory >>>>> meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, >>>>> also >>>>> use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although >>>>> that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse and >>>>> >>>>> worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is just >>>>> going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very frustrating! >>>>> >>>>> I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It is >>>>> my >>>>> decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like >>>>> that? >>>>> And what did you do? >>>>> >>>>>> Anna E Givens >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% >>>>> 40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 01:41:30 2013 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:41:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers In-Reply-To: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> References: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Sophie, When I was in high school and now also in college, as soon as I print the assignment, I take my small slate and stylus and Braille a short title and what subject it is for on either the top or bottom of the page. After this, I punch holes in it and put it in a binder. I have dividers in the binder for each subject, so I place the labeled assignment in the section where the divider is for that subject. I also put Braille labels on the tabs of the dividers so that I will know what subject each divider is for so that I can quickly flip to that section of the binder or notebook. I like the idea of sending assignments electronically, but, unfortunately, not all instructors will accept them in that format. All of my high school teachers mainly took printed assignments, and I have had a few college instructors here and there that still prefer having printed hard copies just because they just preferred it that way, even though they could have just had us email it or submit it through Moodle or Blackboard. I think it depends on the teacher or instructor, so you could always ask your teachers if they will allow you to submit assignments through email. Otherwise, for printed assignments, I have found that labeling them in Braille was the most helpful way, and also keeping them organized in a notebook or binder. Hope this helps, Misty -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:01 PM To: nabs Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers Hey Listers, I'm in high school, and most of the time, I print out assignments to turn them in to my teachers. However, I have no way of knowing which of the printed papers in my bag is for math and which for English, etc, so I often have to fumble around in my bag, pull out all of my paprs, and ask my friends to tell me which one is which. How do you guys keep your print papers organized? Are any systems particularly effective? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Sophie _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 02:37:30 2013 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:37:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question about summer camp Message-ID: <5206f832.4437320a.61a1.ffffef6b@mx.google.com> Hello, I started attending a camp for blind and visually impaired adults. I liked the camp a lot and would go again next year. However, I have a question for you all. We have campfires every night, or almost every night. They are a lot of fun, but some of the songs we sing have hand motions. Even though I worked there as a counselor last year, I did not have the opportunity to learn the motions. I think it would make the fires much more enjoyable if I ce fully participate. Therefore, what is the best way to deal with this situation? How should I put it on my camp application for nesht year, I am fairly independent with everything else so that's not an issue. Since doing the motions is not required, how should I approach this? And, how can the counselors assist me without interfering with my desire to be with my friends during campfire? I would physically need to be shown as well as verbal describing. Should I just tell my counselohs at the beginning of the session that I want to do the motions, however I may not be with my cabin team during that time so I think it should be on my application but I just don't know how to include it in the best manner. BTW, there are some songs where we all have to stand up and perform all the actions as a group. They do show us the actions for these types of songs by taking our hands and showing us the motion of what we are supposed to be doing and then we're able to do it with the group, but there are only two songs like that in our repertoire of campfire songs. The hest have actions but I cannot tell what they are eshactly, only that I can hear the counselors moving their bodies in some way. Any help someone could give would be ghtby appreciated. Camp isn't for anotheh year but I wanted your ofinions now. Thanks, Kelsey From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sun Aug 11 02:46:53 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 02:46:53 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] [Possible Spam] question about summer camp In-Reply-To: <5206f832.4437320a.61a1.ffffef6b@mx.google.com> References: <5206f832.4437320a.61a1.ffffef6b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: How did this happen? It says, "Possible Spam." Anyway, Kelsey you can ask whoever the leader is, to show you the hand motions. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kelsey Nicolay [piano.girl0299 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:37 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [Possible Spam] [nabs-l] question about summer camp Hello, I started attending a camp for blind and visually impaired adults. I liked the camp a lot and would go again next year. However, I have a question for you all. We have campfires every night, or almost every night. They are a lot of fun, but some of the songs we sing have hand motions. Even though I worked there as a counselor last year, I did not have the opportunity to learn the motions. I think it would make the fires much more enjoyable if I ce fully participate. Therefore, what is the best way to deal with this situation? How should I put it on my camp application for nesht year, I am fairly independent with everything else so that's not an issue. Since doing the motions is not required, how should I approach this? And, how can the counselors assist me without interfering with my desire to be with my friends during campfire? I would physically need to be shown as well as verbal describing. Should I just tell my counselohs at the beginning of the session that I want to do the motions, however I may not be with my cabin team during that time so I think it should be on my application but I just don't know how to include it in the best manner. BTW, there are some songs where we all have to stand up and perform all the actions as a group. They do show us the actions for these types of songs by taking our hands and showing us the motion of what we are supposed to be doing and then we're able to do it with the group, but there are only two songs like that in our repertoire of campfire songs. The hest have actions but I cannot tell what they are eshactly, only that I can hear the counselors moving their bodies in some way. Any help someone could give would be ghtby appreciated. Camp isn't for anotheh year but I wanted your ofinions now. Thanks, Kelsey _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sun Aug 11 06:07:21 2013 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 01:07:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130809230317.01dbc4f0@comcast.net> References: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130809230317.01dbc4f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <290D1F64-7866-472C-97D1-C298C14FD153@samobile.net> Why do we automatically assume that taking a human guide is faster or more efficient? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2013, at 1:06 AM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Hi, Tina, > > Go sighted guide unless you're out to prove some eitherial point, which I highly doubt is the case. You know what you are capable of so why need you prove it to anyone? Take the arm because you're right, of course it's faster for everyone! > Good luck, Tina! > for Today, Car > "That which produces bliss should be used in worship since it ravishes the heart" > - Tantraloka At 01:50 PM 8/9/2013, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >> Hello, >> I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my family or friends just because it is faster for everyone. However, since I may have to take the transit sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch independently? If so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go about taking over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my college women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? >> Thanks, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Aug 11 06:10:42 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:10:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] question about summer camp In-Reply-To: <5206f832.4437320a.61a1.ffffef6b@mx.google.com> References: <5206f832.4437320a.61a1.ffffef6b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130810230619.0515e018@comcast.net> Hi, Kelsey, Personally, I attended blind camp here in San Francisco as a child. At our camp fires, there were definitely hand motions and such, but, with its being an environment where everyone was a fellow blinkk, I didn't get too worked up about it. I mean, it's blind camp, and nobody is probably doing the hand gestures to any type of tee. What's more, aren't most counselors also blind? Would even they know about hand gestures? Nicolay wrote: >Hello, >I started attending a camp for blind and visually impaired >adults. I liked the camp a lot and would go again next year. >However, I have a question for you all. We have campfires every >night, or almost every night. They are a lot of fun, but some of >the songs we sing have hand motions. Even though I worked there as >a counselor last year, I did not have the opportunity to learn the >motions. I think it would make the fires much more enjoyable if I >ce fully participate. Therefore, what is the best way to deal with >this situation? How should I put it on my camp application for nesht >year, I am fairly independent with everything else so that's not an >issue. Since doing the motions is not required, how should I >approach this? And, how can the counselors assist me without >interfering with my desire to be with my friends during campfire? I >would physically need to be shown as well as verbal >describing. Should I just tell my counselohs at the beginning of >the session that I want to do the motions, however I may not be with >my cabin team during that time so I think it should be on my >application but I just don't know how to include it in the best >manner. BTW, there are some songs where we all have to stand up and >perform all the actions as a group. They do show us the actions for >these types of songs by taking our hands and showing us the motion >of what we are supposed to be doing and then we're able to do it >with the group, but there are only two songs like that in our >repertoire of campfire songs. The hest have actions but I cannot >tell what they are eshactly, only that I can hear the counselors >moving their bodies in some way. >Any help someone could give would be ghtby appreciated. Camp isn't >for anotheh year but I wanted your ofinions now. >Thanks, >Kelsey > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net Sun Aug 11 06:19:29 2013 From: devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:19:29 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about summer camp In-Reply-To: <5206f832.4437320a.61a1.ffffef6b@mx.google.com> References: <5206f832.4437320a.61a1.ffffef6b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <52072CF1.9000005@pcdesk.net> Did you happen to make friends with anyone at the summer camp? If so, you might be able to get them to teach you the hand motions. You could do this outside of work hours, just something a friend is showing to another. Then the issue of whether or not to put it on your application won't come up. As for whether or not you should put this on your application , this really seems like something you should deal with once you get there rather than something you should put on the application and have considered prior to bringing you aboard again. -- Joe From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Aug 11 06:46:16 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:46:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] question about summer camp In-Reply-To: <52072CF1.9000005@pcdesk.net> References: <5206f832.4437320a.61a1.ffffef6b@mx.google.com> <52072CF1.9000005@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130810234210.021e7df8@comcast.net> Hi, I don't wanna call anyone out since I probably don't have it right you see, I am a little retarded, can barely read in fact, Seems to me, the application is for important stuff like regular meds, dietary stuff, etc. Not an appropriate place for something so inconsequential as hand motions at blind camp, you dig? for today, Carsu At 11:19 PM 8/10/2013, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: >Did you happen to make friends with anyone at the summer camp? If >so, you might be able to get them to teach you the hand motions. You >could do this outside of work hours, just something a friend is >showing to another. Then the issue of whether or not to put it on >your application won't come up. > >As for whether or not you should put this on your application , this >really seems like something you should deal with once you get there >rather than something you should put on the application and have >considered prior to bringing you aboard again. > >-- >Joe > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Aug 11 07:13:39 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:13:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille In-Reply-To: <8C22150E-C064-4AD4-8A65-303BB998FAF1@gmail.com> References: <772D4B6B-7707-406F-91CB-2D987EFBDFFA@gmail.com> <6D7B22CF-CE60-42D6-A911-FAE6F7728E54@gmail.com> <76743780-B7FD-497B-807F-1E0D54C0DFD9@gmail.com> <8C22150E-C064-4AD4-8A65-303BB998FAF1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130811000707.059e8678@comcast.net> Hi, Anna, From the perspective of someone who grew up reading braille, was infatuated with the sensual bumps, braille, my lover was snatched away from me. Due to an accute tactile appraxia (inability of hand to communicate with brain) a result of traumatic brain damage, a ralationship with things I learn is significantly shallower.in college, braille s a handy thing to know for labeling and such. I have to be creative, in the abscence of my prescious dots. So yes, there is a use for braiille! for today, Car, Anna Givens wrote: >Ok... Thats what i was thinking..... Like it is doable but not a >good option for college level reading. I was trying to get my >reading speed up so i could use it in college. But it doesnt look >like this is going to work out. So then I need suggestions...has >anyone lost their sight and found out listening to things just isn't >their thing? Not that you just don't like it. But it really doesn't work. >I don't know what to do .... > >Anna E Givens > >On Aug 10, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > > Reading Braille with one hand is slower, but it still works. It may > > not be a great way to read books, but to read short notes or to use > > when speaking in front of a group, it should be fine. It's a better > > option than giving up Braille altogether, in my opinion. > > Arielle > > > > On 8/8/13, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote: > >> Hello all, > >> > >> Anna, thank you for your original message. Yes, this is a > personal decision > >> for you. My personal choice in this case would be to avoid reading so much > >> braille. Yes, I am a descenting voice in an Organization and environment > >> that advocates for braille literacy, but I would think that > reading braille > >> for braille's sake at the risk of discomfort, pain, and health problems > >> would not be worth it. > >> > >> Antonio > >> > >> On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > >> > >>> It is different then carpel tunnel, but similar. There is a surgery that > >>> can be done for hand tendonitis, where they take some of the inflamed > >>> tendons out. However, surgery, is a very last resort for me. > >>> But true.... It is an option. > >>> > >>> I guess I could investigate reading with one hand. I was taught to read > >>> with both hands, because it is faster. But... I don't know that much > >>> about braille reading and I could try it out. > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Anna E Givens > >>> > >>> On Aug 5, 2013, at 8:43 AM, "melissa Green" wrote: > >>> > >>>> sounds like carpal tunnel to me. > >>>> I had carpal tunnel and they did a surgery called carpal tunnel release > >>>> on > >>>> me. > >>>> Haven't had any more problems. > >>>> its something to be investegated. > >>>> Blessings, > >>>> Melissa Green and PJ > >>>> Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot > >>>> drive out hate; only love can do that.--Martin Luther King, Jr. > >>>> facebook Melissa R Green > >>>> twitter: melissa5674 > >>>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > >>>> skype: lissa5674 > >>>> Goodreads Melissa Green > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Anna Givens" > >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>>> > >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:51 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very glad to > >>>> hear > >>>> about it, because I have asked around and I couldn't find anyone who had > >>>> had > >>>> this experience. > >>>> I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part of the > >>>> problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... Anti-inflammatory,ice, > >>>> physical therapy, and wrist brace. And then he said, The best treatment > >>>> is > >>>> to not use your hand. But that is very unrealistic, for anyone. So just > >>>> try > >>>> to not use it as much as possible, and when reading relax it as much as > >>>> possible. > >>>> So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now that I > >>>> am > >>>> reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. Did your pain go > >>>> away? > >>>> Or do you still have it? > >>>> Thanks! > >>>> > >>>> Anna E Givens > >>>> > >>>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Anna, > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've experienced > >>>>> severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend > >>>>> reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so I > >>>>> do > >>>>> a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to other > >>>>> formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in > >>>>> ice-water; > >>>>> I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more > continuously, > >>>>> > >>>>> though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. > >>>>> > >>>>> My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to consider > >>>>> taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that > >>>>> reading > >>>>> in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and > ultimately > >>>>> > >>>>> make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to > >>>>> your > >>>>> doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? > >>>>> > >>>>> I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has been a > >>>>> recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not to > >>>>> > >>>>> mention painful. > >>>>> > >>>>> Very best of luck in dealing with this! > >>>>> > >>>>> Lucy > >>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: Anna Givens >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>>> >>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 > >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be > >>>>> solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well > maybe someone > >>>>> > >>>>> else has been through this: > >>>>>> I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use > >>>>> it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that I can > >>>>> use > >>>>> it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to > speech, for > >>>>> > >>>>> me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day > of braille. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand is > >>>>> to > >>>>> not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take > >>>>> anti-inflammatory > >>>>> meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, > >>>>> also > >>>>> use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although > >>>>> that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse and > >>>>> > >>>>> worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is just > >>>>> going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very > frustrating! > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It is > >>>>> my > >>>>> decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like > >>>>> that? > >>>>> And what did you do? > >>>>> > >>>>>> Anna E Givens > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>> for nabs-l: > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% > >>>>> 40earthlink.net > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net Sun Aug 11 07:37:49 2013 From: devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 01:37:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about summer camp In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130810234210.021e7df8@comcast.net> References: <5206f832.4437320a.61a1.ffffef6b@mx.google.com> <52072CF1.9000005@pcdesk.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130810234210.021e7df8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <52073F4D.6080103@pcdesk.net> Agreed Carly. That's pretty much what I was saying. On another note, don't call yourself retarded darlin'. Yes, you have some personal things which I won't discuss on the list because I don't know how carefully you guard it. I think, however, that you've recovered admirably from those things, all things considered. I also think you write well, and you seem to understand what you read. Maybe it takes you a bit more time, I'm not sure. But there is definitely intelligence there. Don't sell yourself short! Joe From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Aug 11 09:34:28 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 02:34:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] question about summer camp In-Reply-To: <52073F4D.6080103@pcdesk.net> References: <5206f832.4437320a.61a1.ffffef6b@mx.google.com> <52072CF1.9000005@pcdesk.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130810234210.021e7df8@comcast.net> <52073F4D.6080103@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130811021937.021cb1f0@comcast.net> Hi, Joe, Please, spare us the knee-jerk response to the word retarded. I mean, I have brain damage, therefore my thinking works in a retarded manner, that's all. so please, I enjoy being called retarded, blind, short, a Honkee. And, if anyone get's freaky about such terminology, I'll remind you of how, being blind and dealing with the myriad ramifications that come with it, is far more potentially offensive than a term. So, could you get over yourself, and realize that what ever may be the specter around which people construct a sugar coat, or solinization, it is most likely far worse than the condition itself. So, let's not mince words and, I am not hiding. I love questions, as I am of a full throttled belief that much of people's frustration is because they are curious about others, yet haven't the nerve to just ask about the source of curiosity. for today, CarAt 12:37 AM 8/11/2013, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: >Agreed Carly. That's pretty much what I was saying. > >On another note, don't call yourself retarded darlin'. Yes, you have >some personal things which I won't discuss on the list because I >don't know how carefully you guard it. I think, however, that you've >recovered admirably from those things, all things considered. I also >think you write well, and you seem to understand what you read. >Maybe it takes you a bit more time, I'm not sure. But there is >definitely intelligence there. Don't sell yourself short! >Joe > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Aug 11 09:51:10 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 02:51:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille In-Reply-To: References: <772D4B6B-7707-406F-91CB-2D987EFBDFFA@gmail.com> <6D7B22CF-CE60-42D6-A911-FAE6F7728E54@gmail.com> <76743780-B7FD-497B-807F-1E0D54C0DFD9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130811024831.059c76f8@comcast.net> Hi, Arielle, While a braill reader, I would use my left index finger. This method worked for me until nowadays, when a singular braille character, enters not my finger. for today, car , Arielle Silverman wrote: >Reading Braille with one hand is slower, but it still works. It may >not be a great way to read books, but to read short notes or to use >when speaking in front of a group, it should be fine. It's a better >option than giving up Braille altogether, in my opinion. >Arielle > >On 8/8/13, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Anna, thank you for your original message. Yes, this is a personal decision > > for you. My personal choice in this case would be to avoid reading so much > > braille. Yes, I am a descenting voice in an Organization and environment > > that advocates for braille literacy, but I would think that reading braille > > for braille's sake at the risk of discomfort, pain, and health problems > > would not be worth it. > > > > Antonio > > > > On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > > > >> It is different then carpel tunnel, but similar. There is a surgery that > >> can be done for hand tendonitis, where they take some of the inflamed > >> tendons out. However, surgery, is a very last resort for me. > >> But true.... It is an option. > >> > >> I guess I could investigate reading with one hand. I was taught to read > >> with both hands, because it is faster. But... I don't know that much > >> about braille reading and I could try it out. > >> Thanks > >> > >> Anna E Givens > >> > >> On Aug 5, 2013, at 8:43 AM, "melissa Green" wrote: > >> > >>> sounds like carpal tunnel to me. > >>> I had carpal tunnel and they did a surgery called carpal tunnel release > >>> on > >>> me. > >>> Haven't had any more problems. > >>> its something to be investegated. > >>> Blessings, > >>> Melissa Green and PJ > >>> Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot > >>> drive out hate; only love can do that.--Martin Luther King, Jr. > >>> facebook Melissa R Green > >>> twitter: melissa5674 > >>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > >>> skype: lissa5674 > >>> Goodreads Melissa Green > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Anna Givens" > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:51 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > >>> > >>> > >>> Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very glad to > >>> hear > >>> about it, because I have asked around and I couldn't find anyone who had > >>> had > >>> this experience. > >>> I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part of the > >>> problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... Anti-inflammatory,ice, > >>> physical therapy, and wrist brace. And then he said, The best treatment > >>> is > >>> to not use your hand. But that is very unrealistic, for anyone. So just > >>> try > >>> to not use it as much as possible, and when reading relax it as much as > >>> possible. > >>> So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now that I > >>> am > >>> reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. Did your pain go > >>> away? > >>> Or do you still have it? > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> Anna E Givens > >>> > >>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Anna, > >>>> > >>>> I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've experienced > >>>> severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend > >>>> reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so I > >>>> do > >>>> a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to other > >>>> formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in > >>>> ice-water; > >>>> I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more continuously, > >>>> > >>>> though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. > >>>> > >>>> My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to consider > >>>> taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that > >>>> reading > >>>> in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and ultimately > >>>> > >>>> make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to > >>>> your > >>>> doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? > >>>> > >>>> I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has been a > >>>> recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not to > >>>> > >>>> mention painful. > >>>> > >>>> Very best of luck in dealing with this! > >>>> > >>>> Lucy > >>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: Anna Givens >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> >>>>> Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 > >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille > >>>> > >>>>> Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be > >>>> solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe someone > >>>> > >>>> else has been through this: > >>>>> I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use > >>>> it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that I can > >>>> use > >>>> it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to speech, for > >>>> > >>>> me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day of braille. > >>>> > >>>> This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand is > >>>> to > >>>> not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take > >>>> anti-inflammatory > >>>> meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, > >>>> also > >>>> use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand (although > >>>> that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse and > >>>> > >>>> worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is just > >>>> going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very frustrating! > >>>> > >>>> I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It is > >>>> my > >>>> decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like > >>>> that? > >>>> And what did you do? > >>>> > >>>>> Anna E Givens > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for nabs-l: > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% > >>>> 40earthlink.net > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Aug 11 09:58:18 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 02:58:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers In-Reply-To: <8C8671AE-3C79-48A4-840B-A0FD3622BC6D@me.com> References: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> <8C8671AE-3C79-48A4-840B-A0FD3622BC6D@me.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130811025325.059b81e0@comcast.net> Hi, Kathryn, During the time I was completing compulsory education, I used many of those strategies the folders, printers and such, I was pretty organized. Yet, nowadays, since brain damage has kissed my experience, for me, I can't like "try harder." In this condition, things are how they are, and there ain't much you can do to alter the par for the course.8/10/2013, Kathryn Webster wrote: >Hey Sophie: What I recently started doing was I bought a folder-type >thing that has 8 separate pockets' Right when I print something out, >I put it directly in its designated slot. I organize the slots per >class, either alphebatically or by period number. It works very effectively. >Best, >Kathryn > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > > Hey Listers, > > > > I'm in high school, and most of the time, I print out assignments > to turn them in to my teachers. However, I have no way of knowing > which of the printed papers in my bag is for math and which for > English, etc, so I often have to fumble around in my bag, pull out > all of my paprs, and ask my friends to tell me which one is which. > How do you guys keep your print papers organized? Are any systems > particularly effective? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Sincerely, > > Sophie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Aug 11 10:03:00 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 03:03:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers In-Reply-To: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> References: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130811030124.059e81c0@comcast.net> Hi, Sophie, In school, I would simply print the sheet out, and then role it into the Perkins, or get a slate and write some cues, on the bottom to which you cn refer if need be, Let us know if you try it? for today, Car At 11:01 AM 8/10/2013, Sophie Trist wrote: >Hey Listers, > >I'm in high school, and most of the time, I print out assignments to >turn them in to my teachers. However, I have no way of knowing which >of the printed papers in my bag is for math and which for English, >etc, so I often have to fumble around in my bag, pull out all of my >paprs, and ask my friends to tell me which one is which. How do you >guys keep your print papers organized? Are any systems particularly >effective? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Sincerely, >Sophie > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From annajee82 at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 13:29:45 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 08:29:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: <290D1F64-7866-472C-97D1-C298C14FD153@samobile.net> References: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130809230317.01dbc4f0@comcast.net> <290D1F64-7866-472C-97D1-C298C14FD153@samobile.net> Message-ID: <715C9128-D0B1-4A74-AF97-E5DFBFB23A4D@gmail.com> Jedi, that is what I am thinking..... It is faster and more effecient at times, but I do not know that it would be in this situation. In fact, I think in this situation....if I understand it correctly.... It seems much less efficient. I guess I am still unclear about the situation, which I have asked Kelsey to explain. But I am thinking a little might be fine, but too much help in this situation is going to be very inefficient, for her, and the other person. Anna E Givens On Aug 11, 2013, at 1:07 AM, Jedi Moerke wrote: > Why do we automatically assume that taking a human guide is faster or more efficient? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 10, 2013, at 1:06 AM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > >> Hi, Tina, >> >> Go sighted guide unless you're out to prove some eitherial point, which I highly doubt is the case. You know what you are capable of so why need you prove it to anyone? Take the arm because you're right, of course it's faster for everyone! >> Good luck, Tina! >> for Today, Car >> "That which produces bliss should be used in worship since it ravishes the heart" >> - Tantraloka At 01:50 PM 8/9/2013, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my family or friends just because it is faster for everyone. However, since I may have to take the transit sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch independently? If so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go about taking over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my college women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? >>> Thanks, >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 13:38:20 2013 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:38:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question about summer camp Message-ID: <52079311.4ae1320a.43ad.3580@mx.google.com> No, the counselors are not blind, although on their website, they claim that the staff are blind, but that is not true. While they're in training, they learn how to work with blind people, but they are not blind. Yes, I made a lot of friends at camp, but they are also totally blind like me. Also, the camp also webcomed campers who could see some, like my rommmate could. And yes, I probably shouldn't put that on the application, but rather just tell the counselors, whoever my counsarors happen to be or whoever attends the fire, that I want to do the gestures. But in daiay activities that involve hand gestures, like music where we learned the sign language for "Do Re Mi" from Sound of Music, they do make sure that campers who cannot see are fully included in the activity. From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sun Aug 11 13:52:21 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:52:21 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] question about summer camp In-Reply-To: <52079311.4ae1320a.43ad.3580@mx.google.com> References: <52079311.4ae1320a.43ad.3580@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Wow! So, if the site claims the staff are all blind, yet they're sighted, they should be sanctioned for false advertising! Good grief! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kelsey Nicolay [piano.girl0299 at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 8:38 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] question about summer camp No, the counselors are not blind, although on their website, they claim that the staff are blind, but that is not true. While they're in training, they learn how to work with blind people, but they are not blind. Yes, I made a lot of friends at camp, but they are also totally blind like me. Also, the camp also webcomed campers who could see some, like my rommmate could. And yes, I probably shouldn't put that on the application, but rather just tell the counselors, whoever my counsarors happen to be or whoever attends the fire, that I want to do the gestures. But in daiay activities that involve hand gestures, like music where we learned the sign language for "Do Re Mi" from Sound of Music, they do make sure that campers who cannot see are fully included in the activity. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 19:20:38 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:20:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: <715C9128-D0B1-4A74-AF97-E5DFBFB23A4D@gmail.com> References: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130809230317.01dbc4f0@comcast.net> <290D1F64-7866-472C-97D1-C298C14FD153@samobile.net> <715C9128-D0B1-4A74-AF97-E5DFBFB23A4D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006801ce96c7$dd073b20$9715b160$@gmail.com> It's not always about speed, but it is about choice. Sided guide is not faster if you have to wait on someone; then, you should have just done it yourself. Do what is best for the situation, but the ability to be able to maneuver independently will give you two options instead of one. I won't tell you which one to do because it is all about context, but if possible, give yourself the option to do it on your own. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 9:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique Jedi, that is what I am thinking..... It is faster and more effecient at times, but I do not know that it would be in this situation. In fact, I think in this situation....if I understand it correctly.... It seems much less efficient. I guess I am still unclear about the situation, which I have asked Kelsey to explain. But I am thinking a little might be fine, but too much help in this situation is going to be very inefficient, for her, and the other person. Anna E Givens On Aug 11, 2013, at 1:07 AM, Jedi Moerke wrote: > Why do we automatically assume that taking a human guide is faster or more efficient? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 10, 2013, at 1:06 AM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > >> Hi, Tina, >> >> Go sighted guide unless you're out to prove some eitherial point, which I highly doubt is the case. You know what you are capable of so why need you prove it to anyone? Take the arm because you're right, of course it's faster for everyone! >> Good luck, Tina! >> for Today, Car >> "That which produces bliss should be used in worship since it ravishes the heart" >> - Tantraloka At 01:50 PM 8/9/2013, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my family or friends just because it is faster for everyone. However, since I may have to take the transit sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch independently? If so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go about taking over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my college women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? >>> Thanks, >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile .net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From desai.siddhi14 at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 19:24:57 2013 From: desai.siddhi14 at gmail.com (siddhi desai) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 00:54:57 +0530 Subject: [nabs-l] Advise required for Doctorate studies Message-ID: Hi All, I am very new to this list and have been following your posts to get a feel of how it goes. the core purpose for joining this list is that i want to apply for Ph.D in USA in Public Policy Making. To introduce, I am Siddhi Desai from India. I have completed my Master's in Economics. I have given GRE and TOEFL. Can some of you advise me what criteria should i look up while selecting universities? Do you know any organizations which offer scholarships for international students? Also please guide me if anyone has done graduation in Economics and how are they cope up with it and how they are finding it in jobs? Can you suggest me some other mailing lists where i can be aware of future challenges i would face in advance? My apologies if i have posted to list being an international student but i sincerely feel that you guys will be able to guide me better as you know the ins and outs in academic sinario of USA. Thanks and Regards Siddhi Desai From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 19:25:54 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:25:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers In-Reply-To: References: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <009b01ce96c8$99bc1970$cd344c50$@gmail.com> That's slick Misty; well done. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] organizing print papers Hi Sophie, When I was in high school and now also in college, as soon as I print the assignment, I take my small slate and stylus and Braille a short title and what subject it is for on either the top or bottom of the page. After this, I punch holes in it and put it in a binder. I have dividers in the binder for each subject, so I place the labeled assignment in the section where the divider is for that subject. I also put Braille labels on the tabs of the dividers so that I will know what subject each divider is for so that I can quickly flip to that section of the binder or notebook. I like the idea of sending assignments electronically, but, unfortunately, not all instructors will accept them in that format. All of my high school teachers mainly took printed assignments, and I have had a few college instructors here and there that still prefer having printed hard copies just because they just preferred it that way, even though they could have just had us email it or submit it through Moodle or Blackboard. I think it depends on the teacher or instructor, so you could always ask your teachers if they will allow you to submit assignments through email. Otherwise, for printed assignments, I have found that labeling them in Braille was the most helpful way, and also keeping them organized in a notebook or binder. Hope this helps, Misty -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:01 PM To: nabs Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers Hey Listers, I'm in high school, and most of the time, I print out assignments to turn them in to my teachers. However, I have no way of knowing which of the printed papers in my bag is for math and which for English, etc, so I often have to fumble around in my bag, pull out all of my paprs, and ask my friends to tell me which one is which. How do you guys keep your print papers organized? Are any systems particularly effective? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Sophie _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 19:28:06 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:28:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers In-Reply-To: <8A29ABE2-6BB2-4815-8F76-4B305BDAAA55@yahoo.com> References: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> <8A29ABE2-6BB2-4815-8F76-4B305BDAAA55@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c701ce96c8$e821fc10$b865f430$@gmail.com> Paper clicp ro rubberband. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] organizing print papers Hello. I would suggest having separate notebooks or folders for each subject. Yiu can label theses however yiu prefer (Braille, large print, bump dots, etc) then place printed assignments in the appropriate folder or notebook. You can also get an accordion styled folder and do the same thing. Or, to make it even simpler, braille a label on a notecard describing what the paper is, and paper lip it to the paper. Hope this helps! Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Hey Listers, > > I'm in high school, and most of the time, I print out assignments to turn them in to my teachers. However, I have no way of knowing which of the printed papers in my bag is for math and which for English, etc, so I often have to fumble around in my bag, pull out all of my paprs, and ask my friends to tell me which one is which. How do you guys keep your print papers organized? Are any systems particularly effective? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 19:29:13 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:29:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers In-Reply-To: <6492AC83-3D8D-471B-A206-D3BCC969C24C@aol.com> References: <52068021.6738ec0a.6825.190b@mx.google.com> <6492AC83-3D8D-471B-A206-D3BCC969C24C@aol.com> Message-ID: <00cf01ce96c9$100b4510$3021cf30$@gmail.com> You could also print the assignment out the day it's due at school and give it to the teacher; It is a little awkward, but it is an idea. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] organizing print papers Hey Sophie, I battled this a lot in high school and there are a number of ways I found worked well. One way is to have a label on one of the corners of the paper like a high dot or a Braille symbol that can be easily removed when you turn the assignment in. A second idea which is not my first choice but may work is to designate a space in a binder or folder with a label on a divider and such. I did not like this method because I had to many binders and folders to keep track of. Finally, I used a flash drive with electronic folders for every class. You will want more then one flash drive so you can give the work to your teachers but, easy solution to avoid printing. In fact if you have a flash drive for every class you can see if your teachers can give you work in an electronic format. You complete the work and entangle the drive back and forth. Finally, I understand your in high school but, email is always an option. If you have a school email see if you can email your teachers the assignments that need to be printed. I hope some of these ideas help. Best, Bridget Sent from my iPad On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Hey Listers, > > I'm in high school, and most of the time, I print out assignments to turn them in to my teachers. However, I have no way of knowing which of the printed papers in my bag is for math and which for English, etc, so I often have to fumble around in my bag, pull out all of my paprs, and ask my friends to tell me which one is which. How do you guys keep your print papers organized? Are any systems particularly effective? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From merlyn_hileman at aol.com Sun Aug 11 19:32:38 2013 From: merlyn_hileman at aol.com (Merlyn Hileman) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers Message-ID: <8D064E0AC4497FB-2340-186AB@webmail-d215.sysops.aol.com> Hey Sophie, Have you ever thought about using a flash drive and emailing your work to your teachers? I had the same problem with the print papers in 6th grade, when my teachers insisted I use a Bluetooth printer to give them assignments. I constantly had to have sighted assistance to tell which papers were for which class. After I moved to Texas the summer before 7th grade, I decided it would be easier to do my work on my BrailleNote, copy it onto a flash drive, and email it to my teachers. I have a flash drive specifically for schoolwork, and I have a folder for each class. Merlyn Hileman From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 19:37:29 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:37:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010301ce96ca$37b43440$a71c9cc0$@gmail.com> I use sided guide if I want to carry on a conversation with the person; my walking speed, andmy cues are different, and it makes it easier to do that. I always use my cane unless I am carrying something in my cane hand while going sided guide. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 7:39 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique One thing I try to do is to not make whomever I happen to walk with responsible for me. I use my cane when I am walking sighted guide, and I try to walk more or less next to the person instead of lagging behind as is normally suggested. For me, it serves two purposes. Walking sighted guide makes it easier for me to talk with the person, and if it is an environment where it is hard to hear and I need to follow, it takes care of that as well. There is no absolute answer to this question in my opinion, but one has to judge if using sighted guide prevents one from learning an environment well enough to travel independently if one has to. If one goes to a location often but needs to use sighted guide to get to a restroom, then one probably should make an effort to know the area better, but that doesn't necessarily mean never using sighted guide techniques. The other guideline for me is trying to use sighted guide because it is more convenient for some reason and not because I absolutely have to. Best regards, Steve On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 23:06:22 -0700, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >Hi, Tina, >Go sighted guide unless you're out to prove some eitherial point, which >I highly doubt is the case. You know what you are capable of so why >need you prove it to anyone? Take the arm because you're right, of >course it's faster for everyone! >Good luck, Tina! >for Today, Car >"That which produces bliss should be used in worship since it ravishes >the heart" >- Tantraloka At 01:50 PM 8/9/2013, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >>Hello, >>I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at >>a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my >>parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. >>My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my >>family or friends just because it is faster for everyone. However, >>since I may have to take the transit sometimes or go with another >>chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to use sighted guide >>technique with them, whether it be the transit driver or another >>person in the group? Or should I arrange for someone to show me how to >>get in and out of the chorch independently? If so, if my mobility >>instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go about taking >>over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my college >>women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a >>community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? >>Thanks, >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast >>.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40vi >si.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 21:21:39 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:21:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Guide dog devision. Message-ID: <177C93EBC3884507A3BD8ED52FD2DD25@HP30910210001> Hi all. The Colorado Association of Guide Dog Users will be meeting Thursday night August 15, 2013 at 6:30PM MST via conference call. To join the call, please dial 712-432-1500 access code 564151#. Hope to see some of you there. Have a blessed day. Blessings, Melissa Green and PJ Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.--Martin Luther King, Jr. facebook Melissa R Green twitter: melissa5674 Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 21:40:44 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:40:44 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: <010301ce96ca$37b43440$a71c9cc0$@gmail.com> References: <010301ce96ca$37b43440$a71c9cc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think sighted guide can be faster/easier in a place where it is hard to maintain a conversation, such as in a loud bar or restaurant, or if you are in a place you are not very familiar with and the guide would have to give lots of verbal directions. It can mess up the flow of conversation to have the guide keep saying "left, right, etc." However, it is definitely not faster/easier for either of you to use sighted guide if you and the guide don't want to go to the same place or if you have to wait for your guide to be ready to go with you. Also, if I am joining a group of people I don't know well, I find it easier to just follow the group rather than asking a stranger to do sighted guide which might make them feel uncomfortable. Arielle On 8/11/13, justin williams wrote: > I use sided guide if I want to carry on a conversation with the person; my > walking speed, andmy cues are different, and it makes it easier to do that. > I always use my cane unless I am carrying something in my cane hand while > going sided guide. > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 7:39 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique > > One thing I try to do is to not make whomever I happen to walk with > responsible for me. I use my cane when I am walking sighted guide, and I > try to walk more or less next to the person instead of lagging behind as is > normally suggested. For me, it serves two purposes. Walking sighted guide > makes it easier for me to talk with the person, and if it is an environment > where it is hard to hear and I need to follow, it takes care of that as > well. There is no absolute answer to this question in my opinion, but one > has to judge if using sighted guide prevents one from learning an > environment well enough to travel independently if one has to. If one goes > to a location often but needs to use sighted guide to get to a restroom, > then one probably should make an effort to know the area better, but that > doesn't necessarily mean never using sighted guide techniques. The other > guideline for me is trying to use sighted guide because it is more > convenient for some reason and not because I absolutely have to. > > Best regards, > > Steve > > On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 23:06:22 -0700, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > >>Hi, Tina, > >>Go sighted guide unless you're out to prove some eitherial point, which >>I highly doubt is the case. You know what you are capable of so why >>need you prove it to anyone? Take the arm because you're right, of >>course it's faster for everyone! >>Good luck, Tina! >>for Today, Car >>"That which produces bliss should be used in worship since it ravishes >>the heart" >>- Tantraloka At 01:50 PM 8/9/2013, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >>>Hello, >>>I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at >>>a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my >>>parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. >>>My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my >>>family or friends just because it is faster for everyone. However, >>>since I may have to take the transit sometimes or go with another >>>chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to use sighted guide >>>technique with them, whether it be the transit driver or another >>>person in the group? Or should I arrange for someone to show me how to >>>get in and out of the chorch independently? If so, if my mobility >>>instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go about taking >>>over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my college >>>women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a >>>community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? >>>Thanks, >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast >>>.net > > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40vi >>si.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 21:48:55 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:48:55 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130811024831.059c76f8@comcast.net> References: <772D4B6B-7707-406F-91CB-2D987EFBDFFA@gmail.com> <6D7B22CF-CE60-42D6-A911-FAE6F7728E54@gmail.com> <76743780-B7FD-497B-807F-1E0D54C0DFD9@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130811024831.059c76f8@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Anna, Have you tried taking notes while listening to reading material, either in Braille or on your computer? I find this really helps me to retain and process material that I hear. You could take notes in Braille and then be able to read them with your good hand at your own speed when studying. Arielle On 8/11/13, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Hi, Arielle, > > While a braill reader, I would use my left index finger. > This method worked for me until nowadays, when a singular braille > character, enters not my finger. > for today, car , Arielle Silverman wrote: >>Reading Braille with one hand is slower, but it still works. It may >>not be a great way to read books, but to read short notes or to use >>when speaking in front of a group, it should be fine. It's a better >>option than giving up Braille altogether, in my opinion. >>Arielle >> >>On 8/8/13, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote: >> > Hello all, >> > >> > Anna, thank you for your original message. Yes, this is a personal >> > decision >> > for you. My personal choice in this case would be to avoid reading so >> > much >> > braille. Yes, I am a descenting voice in an Organization and >> > environment >> > that advocates for braille literacy, but I would think that reading >> > braille >> > for braille's sake at the risk of discomfort, pain, and health >> > problems >> > would not be worth it. >> > >> > Antonio >> > >> > On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >> > >> >> It is different then carpel tunnel, but similar. There is a surgery >> >> that >> >> can be done for hand tendonitis, where they take some of the inflamed >> >> tendons out. However, surgery, is a very last resort for me. >> >> But true.... It is an option. >> >> >> >> I guess I could investigate reading with one hand. I was taught to >> >> read >> >> with both hands, because it is faster. But... I don't know that much >> >> about braille reading and I could try it out. >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> >> >> On Aug 5, 2013, at 8:43 AM, "melissa Green" >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> sounds like carpal tunnel to me. >> >>> I had carpal tunnel and they did a surgery called carpal tunnel >> >>> release >> >>> on >> >>> me. >> >>> Haven't had any more problems. >> >>> its something to be investegated. >> >>> Blessings, >> >>> Melissa Green and PJ >> >>> Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate >> >>> cannot >> >>> drive out hate; only love can do that.--Martin Luther King, Jr. >> >>> facebook Melissa R Green >> >>> twitter: melissa5674 >> >>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >> >>> skype: lissa5674 >> >>> Goodreads Melissa Green >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Anna Givens" >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>> >> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:51 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Well I am very sorry you had to deal with that, but I am very glad to >> >>> hear >> >>> about it, because I have asked around and I couldn't find anyone who >> >>> had >> >>> had >> >>> this experience. >> >>> I told my doctor that I read braille and that it could be part of the >> >>> problem. He just gave me the normal advice.... >> >>> Anti-inflammatory,ice, >> >>> physical therapy, and wrist brace. And then he said, The best >> >>> treatment >> >>> is >> >>> to not use your hand. But that is very unrealistic, for anyone. So >> >>> just >> >>> try >> >>> to not use it as much as possible, and when reading relax it as much >> >>> as >> >>> possible. >> >>> So that is what I do, I need to do the exercises more often, now that >> >>> I >> >>> am >> >>> reading more. But yeah.... I dont know what to do. Did your pain go >> >>> away? >> >>> Or do you still have it? >> >>> Thanks! >> >>> >> >>> Anna E Givens >> >>> >> >>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Lucy Sirianni >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hi Anna, >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm so sorry to hear that you're going through this! I've >> >>>> experienced >> >>>> severe wrist and hand pain, likely due to the amount of time I spend >> >>>> reading and using my BrailleNote. (I'm an English Ph.D. student, so >> >>>> I >> >>>> do >> >>>> a lot of reading and writing, and like you, I prefer Braille to >> >>>> other >> >>>> formats.) The thing that helped me most was soaking my hands in >> >>>> ice-water; >> >>>> I also purchased wraps that would allow me to use ice more >> >>>> continuously, >> >>>> >> >>>> though this was not as helpful as just plain ice-water. >> >>>> >> >>>> My case never got so bad that I needed to see a doctor or to >> >>>> consider >> >>>> taking a break from reading Braille, but I share your concern that >> >>>> reading >> >>>> in spite of the pain might cause your condition to worsen and >> >>>> ultimately >> >>>> >> >>>> make reading impossible (or at least very hard). Have you spoken to >> >>>> your >> >>>> doctor about the potential risks of reading Braille? >> >>>> >> >>>> I'll be interested to see what other advice you get as this has been >> >>>> a >> >>>> recurring problem for me as well, and it's terribly frustrating, not >> >>>> to >> >>>> >> >>>> mention painful. >> >>>> >> >>>> Very best of luck in dealing with this! >> >>>> >> >>>> Lucy >> >>>> >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>> From: Anna Givens > >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>>> > >>>>> Date sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:07:27 -0500 >> >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to read braille >> >>>> >> >>>>> Hey, so I have a problem, and I am not sure it can really be >> >>>> solved, and I know what to do but I just thought.... Well maybe >> >>>> someone >> >>>> >> >>>> else has been through this: >> >>>>> I have tendonitis in my hand, so basically it hurts when I use >> >>>> it. I am desperately trying to get my braille speed up so that I >> >>>> can >> >>>> use >> >>>> it in college. Braille works a lot better than listening to speech, >> >>>> for >> >>>> >> >>>> me. Since a few weeks ago I am reading 20 to 40 pages a day of >> >>>> braille. >> >>>> >> >>>> This is hours of reading. The treatment for tendonitis in your hand >> >>>> is >> >>>> to >> >>>> not use your hand. Obviously, I cannot do both. I take >> >>>> anti-inflammatory >> >>>> meds, and do hand exercises to strengthen hand, as doctor suggested, >> >>>> also >> >>>> use ice, and when I am reading I really try to relax my hand >> >>>> (although >> >>>> that seems to be difficult for me to do. The pain is getting worse >> >>>> and >> >>>> >> >>>> worse. But I don't want to stop reading. I am afraid that it is >> >>>> just >> >>>> going to get so bad I won't be able to do it. This is very >> >>>> frustrating! >> >>>> >> >>>> I don't want to give up braille, but I don't want to be in pain. It >> >>>> is >> >>>> my >> >>>> decision what to do, but has anyone ever been through anything like >> >>>> that? >> >>>> And what did you do? >> >>>> >> >>>>> Anna E Givens >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for nabs-l: >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% >> >>>> 40earthlink.net >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 21:51:07 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:51:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about summer camp In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130811021937.021cb1f0@comcast.net> References: <5206f832.4437320a.61a1.ffffef6b@mx.google.com> <52072CF1.9000005@pcdesk.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130810234210.021e7df8@comcast.net> <52073F4D.6080103@pcdesk.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130811021937.021cb1f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Kelsey, If the camp is for blind people, do you know what the other campers do to learn the hand motions for the campfire songs? Or does it just not really bother them to not know the motions? I agree that if you put it on your camp application it's likely to get forgotten. Best to approach a counselor or another camper on the first day before the first campfire and ask to be taught the hand movements, or ask someone to sit with you at the first campfire and teach you as the song is going. Arielle On 8/11/13, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Hi, Joe, > > Please, spare us the knee-jerk response to the word > retarded. I mean, I have brain damage, therefore my thinking works in > a retarded manner, that's all. so please, I enjoy being called > retarded, blind, short, a Honkee. > And, if anyone get's freaky about such terminology, I'll remind you > of how, being blind and dealing with the myriad ramifications that > come with it, is far more potentially offensive than a term. So, > could you get over yourself, and realize that what ever may be the > specter around which people construct a sugar coat, or solinization, > it is most likely far worse than the condition itself. So, let's not > mince words and, I am not hiding. I love questions, as I am of a full > throttled belief that much of people's frustration is because they > are curious about others, yet haven't the nerve to just ask about the > source of curiosity. > for today, CarAt 12:37 AM 8/11/2013, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: >>Agreed Carly. That's pretty much what I was saying. >> >>On another note, don't call yourself retarded darlin'. Yes, you have >>some personal things which I won't discuss on the list because I >>don't know how carefully you guard it. I think, however, that you've >>recovered admirably from those things, all things considered. I also >>think you write well, and you seem to understand what you read. >>Maybe it takes you a bit more time, I'm not sure. But there is >>definitely intelligence there. Don't sell yourself short! >>Joe >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net Sun Aug 11 23:01:58 2013 From: devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:01:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about summer camp In-Reply-To: References: <5206f832.4437320a.61a1.ffffef6b@mx.google.com> <52072CF1.9000005@pcdesk.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130810234210.021e7df8@comcast.net> <52073F4D.6080103@pcdesk.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130811021937.021cb1f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <520817E6.20002@pcdesk.net> Arielle, Actually, my concern about about Kelsey putting this on the application went a little deeper than that. I was thinking that if she puts something like that on the application, it might lead the staff evaluating the application to jump to conclusions about her abilities as a councelor. I know that's not *supposed* to happen, but it is unfortunately still something we have to take into account. Far better to bring it up after they've brought her on board, considerin'g it's not really something that will affect her job duties in any way. Better if they don't decide ahead of time that it will. Maybe peple here will think I'm being silly by saying that; perhaps everyone here will. Joe From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Aug 12 03:22:44 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:22:44 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about summer camp In-Reply-To: <520817E6.20002@pcdesk.net> References: <5206f832.4437320a.61a1.ffffef6b@mx.google.com> <52072CF1.9000005@pcdesk.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130810234210.021e7df8@comcast.net> <52073F4D.6080103@pcdesk.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20130811021937.021cb1f0@comcast.net> <520817E6.20002@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: I'm a little confused-Kelsey are you planning to be a counselor next year or a camper? Arielle On 8/11/13, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: > Arielle, > Actually, my concern about about Kelsey putting this on the application > went a little deeper than that. I was thinking that if she puts > something like that on the application, it might lead the staff > evaluating the application to jump to conclusions about her abilities as > a councelor. I know that's not *supposed* to happen, but it is > unfortunately still something we have to take into account. Far better > to bring it up after they've brought her on board, considerin'g it's not > really something that will affect her job duties in any way. Better if > they don't decide ahead of time that it will. Maybe peple here will > think I'm being silly by saying that; perhaps everyone here will. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From lilliepennington at fuse.net Mon Aug 12 13:31:27 2013 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:31:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] organizing print papers In-Reply-To: <8D064E0AC4497FB-2340-186AB@webmail-d215.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D064E0AC4497FB-2340-186AB@webmail-d215.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi. I use the sticky paper or fold corners on the paper for printed assignments where I cannot staple the Braille copy of the original assignment to my completed work. Also. I would say email, but I like drop box better. That way there is an efficient sharing system and nothing will get lost like it can through email. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Merlyn Hileman wrote: > Hey Sophie, > > Have you ever thought about using a flash drive and emailing your work to your teachers? I had the same problem with the print papers in 6th grade, when my teachers insisted I use a Bluetooth printer to give them assignments. I constantly had to have sighted assistance to tell which papers were for which class. After I moved to Texas the summer before 7th grade, I decided it would be easier to do my work on my BrailleNote, copy it onto a flash drive, and email it to my teachers. I have a flash drive specifically for schoolwork, and I have a folder for each class. > > Merlyn Hileman > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com Mon Aug 12 15:39:11 2013 From: weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com (The weird writer) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:39:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] producers say yes to audio description on netflix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5209019F.6050502@gmail.com> from the accessible netflix project website. it’s quite an astonishing feat at what information you find out when you actually dig deep into something and do a tad bit of investigating. Way back, Netflix had made a valiant case that it wasn’t up to them to produce the audio description track for TV shows and movies, and that they couldn’t legally do anything with the content because they didn’t hold any of the rights to the content that has audio description tracks, and that would need to be taken up with the media producers of the TV show. They are correct, but I wondered if they thought I was going to drop it at that. I didn’t. I decided to find out for myself just how much Netflix holds in terms of decisions. The search, hunting, and getting the right contacts took me forever to do. First I had to try and find a show that had audio description on TV, and then I had to check and see if that show was on Netflix. I didn’t want to do a show that didn’t have audio description on Netflix, nor do a show that had audio description on TV but wasn’t on Netflix because then the response would take even longer because they’d have to work out licensing and the like, and, since they wouldn’t have audio description then that would add another complication to the mix explaining what audio description is. With that in mind, I knew that finding a TV show that had audio description, and aired on both TV and Netflix was the easiest method to go that would definitely get me an answer, either way. Finding that show, though, was easier said than done. With a WordPad document open and NVDA turned off, I looked through every entry in the audio description project listing only to find out that a few were on Netflix, and even then I may have missed some. The research took me an hour to complete on that end. Once I had the shows, I needed to find the creator, also known as producer of the show. That swallowed up an additional two hours of my time because not everything wasn’t on Wikipedia. With the shows Family Guy, The Office, Glee, and others in mind, I set out to find some contact information. This was the hardest of all, taking up two days to do, after repeat attempts, mind you, but I will get to that later. Naturally, I started off by calling corporate offices of networks like FOX, NBC, etc. in most cases; a generic operator couldn’t transfer me, nor give me emails, nor give me phone numbers. Some didn’t have it in their database, others weren’t allowed, and others kept giving me a generic email, which I didn’t want to, have. I called for a specific reason and that reason was to get answers. I tried sounding as business as possible but I guess when you have a stutter; many don’t take you seriously or think you’ve fallen very high and hit your head. Some operators cut me off, hanging up on me, leaving me no choice but to call using the IP relay service where I was hung up on for yet another day and a half. Usually when I call with the IP relay service, people on the other end have to speak slower. They’ve disabled the option for me to place HCO calls, hearing carry over, where I hear everything the other person is saying. I don’t know why they discontinued that feature, but now I have to use the IP relay service just like a deaf person. I’m just a person with a speech disability but TV station operators think it’s a scam, and they hang up on me, or speak too fast and then they hang up on me, again. The third day, I have managed to get someone who’s in charge of Family guy, out of all 56 calls I have made, I had only one lead and so I followed up accordingly. She wishes to remain nameless, and she didn’t give me permission to copy her email, but she said that yes, Seth did have the rights to the show, hence, he negotiates licenses. I explained my result with Netflix, and explained my situation via email, as that’s my best mode of communication. She actually was surprised that it didn’t have audio description on Netflix, and she wondered why. Just to make things better on myself, I forwarded her the email sent by Netflix staff. She immediately responded with a urgency to push this Netflix woman, and explain that this show is on TV with audio description already, and make it very clear that the audio description has been produced, and also make it VERY clear that they’d be more than happy to license, or anything else to help. So, I sent the Netflix staff this email. *Hi XXX. This is Robert Kingett again. Recently I sent you an email about the availability of audio description on instant streaming services. You pointed out that it’s up to the producers to provide audio description. There are already shows on TV and movies with audio description, and who are willing to provide the audio description to Netflix. Family Guy, a show that is both on Netflix and on TV, offers described episodes after season 10. Since Family Guy offers audio description on TV already, I’d like to know how Netflix would work with the producer of the show to also provide audio description for instant streaming. Family Guy airs on FOX with audio description. Knowing this, how can we move forward in regards to providing audio description on instant streaming? Since the producers are providing audio description on TV already isn’t it up to Netflix to negotiate audio description on their systems and services if the audio description is already provided for other mediums the show airs on?* The reply that I received was that, in that case, FOX holds the control over the audio description, not the producers, since the audio description is produced. FOX airs the show bundled with the audio description so the producers wouldn’t have any say so. Just to check her facts, I emailed 13 other Netflix email addresses I had collected. No response shot into my inbox from any of them, and it has been a week since the last email. Since FOX airs the show, they have all the rights, so I’d need to talk to someone at FOX. She didn’t even give me a name of any sort. I didn’t want to be treated like a joke anymore, so I contacted my Family Guy contact who told me that she’d look, and dig, and find out who I’d need to speak to and she promised that she would give me a direct contact, even number. So, I guess now we just wait on the big reveal. I don’t know when that will happen but I’m sure it won’t be far off before I have a definitive answer. At least someone is taking me seriously, but with very few leads, the worry is mounting. Will my efforts be in vein? I hope not. I do wish though, that I had someone helping me make these calls. People really don’t like IP relay but what other options do I have? The good news, we’ve learned something, the bad, we need to learn more about the vast world of licensing. We will keep looking, however. From hope.paulos at gmail.com Mon Aug 12 15:48:43 2013 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:48:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] producers say yes to audio description on netflix In-Reply-To: <5209019F.6050502@gmail.com> References: <5209019F.6050502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <710A3A62-3F82-4A3F-BB2D-A4E2CE8F1113@gmail.com> Persistence pays off! Good job, Robert. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 11:39 AM, The weird writer wrote: > from the accessible netflix project website. > > > it’s quite an astonishing feat at what information you find out when you actually dig deep into something and do a tad bit of investigating. Way back, Netflix had made a valiant case that it wasn’t up to them to produce the audio description track for TV shows and movies, and that they couldn’t legally do anything with the content because they didn’t hold any of the rights to the content that has audio description tracks, and that would need to be taken up with the media producers of the TV show. They are correct, but I wondered if they thought I was going to drop it at that. I didn’t. I decided to find out for myself just how much Netflix holds in terms of decisions. > > The search, hunting, and getting the right contacts took me forever to do. First I had to try and find a show that had audio description on TV, and then I had to check and see if that show was on Netflix. I didn’t want to do a show that didn’t have audio description on Netflix, nor do a show that had audio description on TV but wasn’t on Netflix because then the response would take even longer because they’d have to work out licensing and the like, and, since they wouldn’t have audio description then that would add another complication to the mix explaining what audio description is. > > With that in mind, I knew that finding a TV show that had audio description, and aired on both TV and Netflix was the easiest method to go that would definitely get me an answer, either way. > > Finding that show, though, was easier said than done. With a WordPad document open and NVDA turned off, I looked through every entry in the audio description project listing only to find out that a few were on Netflix, and even then I may have missed some. The research took me an hour to complete on that end. > > Once I had the shows, I needed to find the creator, also known as producer of the show. That swallowed up an additional two hours of my time because not everything wasn’t on Wikipedia. > > With the shows Family Guy, The Office, Glee, and others in mind, I set out to find some contact information. This was the hardest of all, taking up two days to do, after repeat attempts, mind you, but I will get to that later. > > Naturally, I started off by calling corporate offices of networks like FOX, NBC, etc. in most cases; a generic operator couldn’t transfer me, nor give me emails, nor give me phone numbers. Some didn’t have it in their database, others weren’t allowed, and others kept giving me a generic email, which I didn’t want to, have. I called for a specific reason and that reason was to get answers. > > I tried sounding as business as possible but I guess when you have a stutter; many don’t take you seriously or think you’ve fallen very high and hit your head. Some operators cut me off, hanging up on me, leaving me no choice but to call using the IP relay service where I was hung up on for yet another day and a half. Usually when I call with the IP relay service, people on the other end have to speak slower. They’ve disabled the option for me to place HCO calls, hearing carry over, where I hear everything the other person is saying. I don’t know why they discontinued that feature, but now I have to use the IP relay service just like a deaf person. I’m just a person with a speech disability but TV station operators think it’s a scam, and they hang up on me, or speak too fast and then they hang up on me, again. > > The third day, I have managed to get someone who’s in charge of Family guy, out of all 56 calls I have made, I had only one lead and so I followed up accordingly. She wishes to remain nameless, and she didn’t give me permission to copy her email, but she said that yes, Seth did have the rights to the show, hence, he negotiates licenses. I explained my result with Netflix, and explained my situation via email, as that’s my best mode of communication. She actually was surprised that it didn’t have audio description on Netflix, and she wondered why. Just to make things better on myself, I forwarded her the email sent by Netflix staff. She immediately responded with a urgency to push this Netflix woman, and explain that this show is on TV with audio description already, and make it very clear that the audio description has been produced, and also make it VERY clear that they’d be more than happy to license, or anything else to help. So, I sent the Netflix staff this email. > > *Hi XXX. This is Robert Kingett again. Recently I sent you an email about the availability of audio description on instant streaming services. You pointed out that it’s up to the producers to provide audio description. There are already shows on TV and movies with audio description, and who are willing to provide the audio description to Netflix. Family Guy, a show that is both on Netflix and on TV, offers described episodes after season 10. Since Family Guy offers audio description on TV already, I’d like to know how Netflix would work with the producer of the show to also provide audio description for instant streaming. Family Guy airs on FOX with audio description. Knowing this, how can we move forward in regards to providing audio description on instant streaming? Since the producers are providing audio description on TV already isn’t it up to Netflix to negotiate audio description on their systems and services if the audio description is already provided for other mediums the show airs on?* > > The reply that I received was that, in that case, FOX holds the control over the audio description, not the producers, since the audio description is produced. FOX airs the show bundled with the audio description so the producers wouldn’t have any say so. Just to check her facts, I emailed 13 other Netflix email addresses I had collected. No response shot into my inbox from any of them, and it has been a week since the last email. Since FOX airs the show, they have all the rights, so I’d need to talk to someone at FOX. She didn’t even give me a name of any sort. I didn’t want to be treated like a joke anymore, so I contacted my Family Guy contact who told me that she’d look, and dig, and find out who I’d need to speak to and she promised that she would give me a direct contact, even number. So, I guess now we just wait on the big reveal. I don’t know when that will happen but I’m sure it won’t be far off before I have a definitive answer. At least someone is taking me seriously, but with very few leads, the worry is mounting. Will my efforts be in vein? I hope not. I do wish though, that I had someone helping me make these calls. People really don’t like IP relay but what other options do I have? > > The good news, we’ve learned something, the bad, we need to learn more about the vast world of licensing. We will keep looking, however. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Mon Aug 12 16:12:07 2013 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:12:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] producers say yes to audio description on netflix In-Reply-To: <710A3A62-3F82-4A3F-BB2D-A4E2CE8F1113@gmail.com> References: <5209019F.6050502@gmail.com> <710A3A62-3F82-4A3F-BB2D-A4E2CE8F1113@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good job Robert. Amanda On 2013-08-12, at 11:48 AM, Hope Paulos wrote: > Persistence pays off! Good job, Robert. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 12, 2013, at 11:39 AM, The weird writer wrote: > >> from the accessible netflix project website. >> >> >> it’s quite an astonishing feat at what information you find out when you actually dig deep into something and do a tad bit of investigating. Way back, Netflix had made a valiant case that it wasn’t up to them to produce the audio description track for TV shows and movies, and that they couldn’t legally do anything with the content because they didn’t hold any of the rights to the content that has audio description tracks, and that would need to be taken up with the media producers of the TV show. They are correct, but I wondered if they thought I was going to drop it at that. I didn’t. I decided to find out for myself just how much Netflix holds in terms of decisions. >> >> The search, hunting, and getting the right contacts took me forever to do. First I had to try and find a show that had audio description on TV, and then I had to check and see if that show was on Netflix. I didn’t want to do a show that didn’t have audio description on Netflix, nor do a show that had audio description on TV but wasn’t on Netflix because then the response would take even longer because they’d have to work out licensing and the like, and, since they wouldn’t have audio description then that would add another complication to the mix explaining what audio description is. >> >> With that in mind, I knew that finding a TV show that had audio description, and aired on both TV and Netflix was the easiest method to go that would definitely get me an answer, either way. >> >> Finding that show, though, was easier said than done. With a WordPad document open and NVDA turned off, I looked through every entry in the audio description project listing only to find out that a few were on Netflix, and even then I may have missed some. The research took me an hour to complete on that end. >> >> Once I had the shows, I needed to find the creator, also known as producer of the show. That swallowed up an additional two hours of my time because not everything wasn’t on Wikipedia. >> >> With the shows Family Guy, The Office, Glee, and others in mind, I set out to find some contact information. This was the hardest of all, taking up two days to do, after repeat attempts, mind you, but I will get to that later. >> >> Naturally, I started off by calling corporate offices of networks like FOX, NBC, etc. in most cases; a generic operator couldn’t transfer me, nor give me emails, nor give me phone numbers. Some didn’t have it in their database, others weren’t allowed, and others kept giving me a generic email, which I didn’t want to, have. I called for a specific reason and that reason was to get answers. >> >> I tried sounding as business as possible but I guess when you have a stutter; many don’t take you seriously or think you’ve fallen very high and hit your head. Some operators cut me off, hanging up on me, leaving me no choice but to call using the IP relay service where I was hung up on for yet another day and a half. Usually when I call with the IP relay service, people on the other end have to speak slower. They’ve disabled the option for me to place HCO calls, hearing carry over, where I hear everything the other person is saying. I don’t know why they discontinued that feature, but now I have to use the IP relay service just like a deaf person. I’m just a person with a speech disability but TV station operators think it’s a scam, and they hang up on me, or speak too fast and then they hang up on me, again. >> >> The third day, I have managed to get someone who’s in charge of Family guy, out of all 56 calls I have made, I had only one lead and so I followed up accordingly. She wishes to remain nameless, and she didn’t give me permission to copy her email, but she said that yes, Seth did have the rights to the show, hence, he negotiates licenses. I explained my result with Netflix, and explained my situation via email, as that’s my best mode of communication. She actually was surprised that it didn’t have audio description on Netflix, and she wondered why. Just to make things better on myself, I forwarded her the email sent by Netflix staff. She immediately responded with a urgency to push this Netflix woman, and explain that this show is on TV with audio description already, and make it very clear that the audio description has been produced, and also make it VERY clear that they’d be more than happy to license, or anything else to help. So, I sent the Netflix staff this email. >> >> *Hi XXX. This is Robert Kingett again. Recently I sent you an email about the availability of audio description on instant streaming services. You pointed out that it’s up to the producers to provide audio description. There are already shows on TV and movies with audio description, and who are willing to provide the audio description to Netflix. Family Guy, a show that is both on Netflix and on TV, offers described episodes after season 10. Since Family Guy offers audio description on TV already, I’d like to know how Netflix would work with the producer of the show to also provide audio description for instant streaming. Family Guy airs on FOX with audio description. Knowing this, how can we move forward in regards to providing audio description on instant streaming? Since the producers are providing audio description on TV already isn’t it up to Netflix to negotiate audio description on their systems and services if the audio description is already provided for other mediums the show airs on?* >> >> The reply that I received was that, in that case, FOX holds the control over the audio description, not the producers, since the audio description is produced. FOX airs the show bundled with the audio description so the producers wouldn’t have any say so. Just to check her facts, I emailed 13 other Netflix email addresses I had collected. No response shot into my inbox from any of them, and it has been a week since the last email. Since FOX airs the show, they have all the rights, so I’d need to talk to someone at FOX. She didn’t even give me a name of any sort. I didn’t want to be treated like a joke anymore, so I contacted my Family Guy contact who told me that she’d look, and dig, and find out who I’d need to speak to and she promised that she would give me a direct contact, even number. So, I guess now we just wait on the big reveal. I don’t know when that will happen but I’m sure it won’t be far off before I have a definitive answer. At least someone is taking me seriously, but with very few leads, the worry is mounting. Will my efforts be in vein? I hope not. I do wish though, that I had someone helping me make these calls. People really don’t like IP relay but what other options do I have? >> >> The good news, we’ve learned something, the bad, we need to learn more about the vast world of licensing. We will keep looking, however. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 12 18:29:38 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:29:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note Message-ID: <77764706CC9943C88C6ADCDD0A584757@OwnerPC> Hi all, I thought it was possible to connect a regular keyboard to a Braille Note both via wireless bluetooth and wired usb connection. If this is the case, how do you do this? Do I need to install drivers or anything? Would I simply plug in the keyboard to the port? BTW, its an older version, the empower. Thanks. Ashley From djd76257 at gmail.com Mon Aug 12 21:08:09 2013 From: djd76257 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:08:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learn About The Secret Garden And Watch Djd Revisit His Past Show Roots On Audio Access FM Message-ID: <4DDBD4BE1BAF41E081A9BDB29B7EBEE3@AudioAccessFMPC> Hi All! Whether it's on ACB Radio Interactive or Audio Access FM, The Djd Invasion show tonight should be fun and entertaining for all. Join me tonight, starting at 8 PM eastern as I give you our usual variety of songs, some a cappella tunes thrown in, and, I'll be going back to the types of musical lineups that you haven't heard on a Djd Invasion show in several years. Also, those who have heard some of my recent shows have heard about a place called The Secret Garden. What is this Secret Garden all about? No it's not that cute little place that Mary discovers in that cute little classic book. Come tune in during the second hour for more info about that. Throughout the show, you can contact me via skype at audioaccess.fm via telephone number at 516 324-2552 or via email at thedjdinvasion at audioaccess.fm I'll also be on facebook ready for chat, so feel free to visit me on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/djdrocks say hello, and let me know how you're enjoying the show. So after Pop Tops on Audio Access FM, give The Djd Invasion some love by listening at http://www.audioaccess.fm/listen where you can use our accessible browser player to listen or select a media player on your computer that you might want to use. We're going to have some good musical fun tonight, so I hope to see you all there for a great Djd Invasion night! >From David Dunphy From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Mon Aug 12 21:59:53 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:59:53 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note In-Reply-To: <77764706CC9943C88C6ADCDD0A584757@OwnerPC> References: <77764706CC9943C88C6ADCDD0A584757@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I don't think it's possible, since I couldn't do it with the Pac Mate. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note Hi all, I thought it was possible to connect a regular keyboard to a Braille Note both via wireless bluetooth and wired usb connection. If this is the case, how do you do this? Do I need to install drivers or anything? Would I simply plug in the keyboard to the port? BTW, its an older version, the empower. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 12 22:27:43 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:27:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note In-Reply-To: <77764706CC9943C88C6ADCDD0A584757@OwnerPC> References: <77764706CC9943C88C6ADCDD0A584757@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <541074596294414892@unknownmsgid> Unfortunately, I don't believe this is possible. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I thought it was possible to connect a regular keyboard to a Braille Note both via wireless bluetooth and wired usb connection. > > If this is the case, how do you do this? Do I need to install drivers or anything? Would I simply plug in the keyboard to the port? BTW, its an older version, the empower. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Mon Aug 12 22:52:11 2013 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:52:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note In-Reply-To: <541074596294414892@unknownmsgid> References: <77764706CC9943C88C6ADCDD0A584757@OwnerPC> <541074596294414892@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <41FC0BCA-6EEB-417E-BC12-A72A6813E797@samobile.net> It is possible. You pair it like you would any other Bluetooth device. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 5:27 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't believe this is possible. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 12, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I thought it was possible to connect a regular keyboard to a Braille Note both via wireless bluetooth and wired usb connection. >> >> If this is the case, how do you do this? Do I need to install drivers or anything? Would I simply plug in the keyboard to the port? BTW, its an older version, the empower. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Aug 12 22:54:54 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:54:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note Message-ID: <520967db.2961ec0a.7ce0.2d4a@mx.google.com> Just curious--what's wrong with the keyboard on the braillenote? So confused... ----- Original Message ----- From: christopher nusbaum wrote: Hi all, I thought it was possible to connect a regular keyboard to a Braille Note both via wireless bluetooth and wired usb connection. If this is the case, how do you do this? Do I need to install drivers or anything? Would I simply plug in the keyboard to the port? BTW, its an older version, the empower. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 13 01:17:31 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:17:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note In-Reply-To: <541074596294414892@unknownmsgid> References: <77764706CC9943C88C6ADCDD0A584757@OwnerPC> <541074596294414892@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <5FA8A4228B9A4FAEB0DCF2E324A84B59@OwnerPC> I heard it is and I'm still searching the manuual for it. I thought I read somewhere you can connect a querty keyboard to the notetaker. -----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 6:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note Unfortunately, I don't believe this is possible. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I thought it was possible to connect a regular keyboard to a Braille Note > both via wireless bluetooth and wired usb connection. > > If this is the case, how do you do this? Do I need to install drivers or > anything? Would I simply plug in the keyboard to the port? BTW, its an > older version, the empower. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Tue Aug 13 01:24:19 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 01:24:19 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note In-Reply-To: <5FA8A4228B9A4FAEB0DCF2E324A84B59@OwnerPC> References: <77764706CC9943C88C6ADCDD0A584757@OwnerPC> <541074596294414892@unknownmsgid>, <5FA8A4228B9A4FAEB0DCF2E324A84B59@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Have you tried connecting it thwough the USB Port? Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 8:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note I heard it is and I'm still searching the manuual for it. I thought I read somewhere you can connect a querty keyboard to the notetaker. -----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 6:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note Unfortunately, I don't believe this is possible. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I thought it was possible to connect a regular keyboard to a Braille Note > both via wireless bluetooth and wired usb connection. > > If this is the case, how do you do this? Do I need to install drivers or > anything? Would I simply plug in the keyboard to the port? BTW, its an > older version, the empower. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 13:00:55 2013 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:00:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Experiencing the Nfb Training centers Message-ID: <520a2e11.4826e00a.4382.ffff87df@mx.google.com> Dear Nabs Members, This post is for anyone who has attended the Nfb training centers. I've read the articles that were written in the Braille Monitor by the Monitor staff, but I still have some questions. I'd like to hear about students and their experiences at the Nfb training centers. Can you take me through the process in attending the training centers? What did you take with you when you went? How was the orientation upon your arrival? How did your families prepare to send you on your trips to these centers? Look forward to hearing from you soon. From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 01:19:34 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 19:19:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Experiencing the Nfb Training centers In-Reply-To: <520a2e11.4826e00a.4382.ffff87df@mx.google.com> References: <520a2e11.4826e00a.4382.ffff87df@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Roanna, I think you might have posted this question about a month ago, and you got a couple of really good lengthy responses. You should be able to find those responses in the NABS list archives. Best, Arielle On 8/13/13, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Dear Nabs Members, > > This post is for anyone who has attended the Nfb training > centers. I've read the articles that were written in the Braille > Monitor by the Monitor staff, but I still have some questions. > I'd like to hear about students and their experiences at the Nfb > training centers. Can you take me through the process in > attending the training centers? What did you take with you when > you went? How was the orientation upon your arrival? How did your > families prepare to send you on your trips to these centers? Look > forward to hearing from you soon. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 03:10:39 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 23:10:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note In-Reply-To: <520967db.2961ec0a.7ce0.2d4a@mx.google.com> References: <520967db.2961ec0a.7ce0.2d4a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000c01ce989b$dbab6a00$93023e00$@gmail.com> Sophie, There is nothing I see wrong with the BrailleNote's keyboard--I was simply answering the question being asked. I believe Ashley is trying to connect an external QWERTY keyboard to a BrailleNote BT. Chris Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair Public Relations Committee Maryland Association of Blind Students Phone: (443) 547-2409 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 6:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note Just curious--what's wrong with the keyboard on the braillenote? So confused... ----- Original Message ----- From: christopher nusbaum wrote: Hi all, I thought it was possible to connect a regular keyboard to a Braille Note both via wireless bluetooth and wired usb connection. If this is the case, how do you do this? Do I need to install drivers or anything? Would I simply plug in the keyboard to the port? BTW, its an older version, the empower. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 03:12:55 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 23:12:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note In-Reply-To: <41FC0BCA-6EEB-417E-BC12-A72A6813E797@samobile.net> References: <77764706CC9943C88C6ADCDD0A584757@OwnerPC> <541074596294414892@unknownmsgid> <41FC0BCA-6EEB-417E-BC12-A72A6813E797@samobile.net> Message-ID: <000d01ce989c$2ce7c530$86b74f90$@gmail.com> But would the keyboard input transfer to the BrailleNote without drivers that it doesn't support? Chris Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair Public Relations Committee Maryland Association of Blind Students Phone: (443) 547-2409 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jedi Moerke Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] connecting a keyboard to braille note It is possible. You pair it like you would any other Bluetooth device. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2013, at 5:27 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't believe this is possible. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 12, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I thought it was possible to connect a regular keyboard to a Braille Note both via wireless bluetooth and wired usb connection. >> >> If this is the case, how do you do this? Do I need to install drivers or anything? Would I simply plug in the keyboard to the port? BTW, its an older version, the empower. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile .net > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 14 21:23:47 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:23:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] software accessibility Message-ID: <721B81638FEB49369FA5394B9DF7A303@OwnerPC> Hi all, Anyone worked with or know about these software programs? Perhaps, one of you encountered this in an internship or part time job. It would be nice to assure potential supervisors, even as a volunteer, that I can work within the database. Everyone questions whether I can do it with jaws; they never have heard of it of course and do not understand what it does. All I can tell potential supervisors is I think it would work and when a position comes available to please let me try. So anyone know if these software programs work with jaws? My hunch would be that yes they do because they are text based with a bunch of forms to fill in. Here they are. Donor software 1. Raisers edge 2. Donor Perfect Ticket software 1. Tessitura 2. Pro Venue Also, there is a web based software called Ride scheduler which schedules client rides. Is this accessible? Thank you. Ashley From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 21:58:14 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:58:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] software accessibility In-Reply-To: <721B81638FEB49369FA5394B9DF7A303@OwnerPC> References: <721B81638FEB49369FA5394B9DF7A303@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <002901ce9939$60e3a3c0$22aaeb40$@gmail.com> Have you tried calling freedom scientific, or the computer science list. Maybe see if you can find some help on google. I would definitely call freedom. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] software accessibility Hi all, Anyone worked with or know about these software programs? Perhaps, one of you encountered this in an internship or part time job. It would be nice to assure potential supervisors, even as a volunteer, that I can work within the database. Everyone questions whether I can do it with jaws; they never have heard of it of course and do not understand what it does. All I can tell potential supervisors is I think it would work and when a position comes available to please let me try. So anyone know if these software programs work with jaws? My hunch would be that yes they do because they are text based with a bunch of forms to fill in. Here they are. Donor software 1. Raisers edge 2. Donor Perfect Ticket software 1. Tessitura 2. Pro Venue Also, there is a web based software called Ride scheduler which schedules client rides. Is this accessible? Thank you. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From merlyn_hileman at aol.com Wed Aug 14 23:22:38 2013 From: merlyn_hileman at aol.com (Merlyn Hileman) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility Message-ID: <8D0675C4D152CAC-1D90-340F3@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com> Hello, I am about to start 10th grade. My high school has just started using Google Docs and Google Drive for file sharing. This means that a teacher can create a file with assignment instructions using Google Docs, and share it with his/her students. The problem is I cannot read a file in Google Drive. I just tried opening a copy of my summer assignment from my teacher's webpage. It opened in Google Drive, and I was able to read the first few paragraphs, but not the entire document. Only the first few paragraphs were displayed on the page. I checked the whole page, and there didn't seem to be a button to move to the next page. I tried pressing Alt-Control-Z to toggle screen reader support--nothing happened. So my question is--how do you get Google Drive to display the entire document at once? As I said earlier, I just started using it, so this could seem like a really basic question. Any other tips you have for using Google Drive would be helpful. Thanks. Merlyn Hileman From joshkart12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 23:27:07 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:27:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility In-Reply-To: <8D0675C4D152CAC-1D90-340F3@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D0675C4D152CAC-1D90-340F3@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hello, just a thought, but have you tried to use Google Chrome and Chromevox? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2013, at 7:22 PM, Merlyn Hileman wrote: > Hello, > > I am about to start 10th grade. My high school has just started using Google Docs and Google Drive for file sharing. This means that a teacher can create a file with assignment instructions using Google Docs, and share it with his/her students. The problem is I cannot read a file in Google Drive. I just tried opening a copy of my summer assignment from my teacher's webpage. It opened in Google Drive, and I was able to read the first few paragraphs, but not the entire document. Only the first few paragraphs were displayed on the page. I checked the whole page, and there didn't seem to be a button to move to the next page. I tried pressing Alt-Control-Z to toggle screen reader support--nothing happened. > So my question is--how do you get Google Drive to display the entire document at once? As I said earlier, I just started using it, so this could seem like a really basic question. Any other tips you have for using Google Drive would be helpful. Thanks. > > Merlyn Hileman > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From zerone1683 at gmail.com Thu Aug 15 00:07:27 2013 From: zerone1683 at gmail.com (Chun Chao) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:07:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility In-Reply-To: <8D0675C4D152CAC-1D90-340F3@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D0675C4D152CAC-1D90-340F3@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001ce994b$6ecabb60$4c603220$@com> One feature you can try is to download a copy of the document from Google Drive onto your computer. I find Google Drive fairly well to do with but feel that the functionality of Docs is still yet to be desired. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Merlyn Hileman Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:23 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility Hello, I am about to start 10th grade. My high school has just started using Google Docs and Google Drive for file sharing. This means that a teacher can create a file with assignment instructions using Google Docs, and share it with his/her students. The problem is I cannot read a file in Google Drive. I just tried opening a copy of my summer assignment from my teacher's webpage. It opened in Google Drive, and I was able to read the first few paragraphs, but not the entire document. Only the first few paragraphs were displayed on the page. I checked the whole page, and there didn't seem to be a button to move to the next page. I tried pressing Alt-Control-Z to toggle screen reader support--nothing happened. So my question is--how do you get Google Drive to display the entire document at once? As I said earlier, I just started using it, so this could seem like a really basic question. Any other tips you have for using Google Drive would be helpful. Thanks. Merlyn Hileman _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Aug 15 00:14:54 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:14:54 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility In-Reply-To: <000001ce994b$6ecabb60$4c603220$@com> References: <8D0675C4D152CAC-1D90-340F3@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com> <000001ce994b$6ecabb60$4c603220$@com> Message-ID: Hi, How do you download it to your computer? The other day, I attempted to download a spreadsheet onto my computer as an excel file so I could more easily access it, and I was not able, with my knowledge, to get into the file menu and to download as of the google spreadsheet. Cindy On 8/14/13, Chun Chao wrote: > One feature you can try is to download a copy of the document from Google > Drive onto your computer. > I find Google Drive fairly well to do with but feel that the functionality > of Docs is still yet to be desired. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Merlyn Hileman > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:23 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility > > Hello, > > I am about to start 10th grade. My high school has just started using > Google > Docs and Google Drive for file sharing. This means that a teacher can > create > a file with assignment instructions using Google Docs, and share it with > his/her students. The problem is I cannot read a file in Google Drive. I > just tried opening a copy of my summer assignment from my teacher's > webpage. > It opened in Google Drive, and I was able to read the first few paragraphs, > but not the entire document. > Only the first few paragraphs were displayed on the page. I checked the > whole page, and there didn't seem to be a button to move to the next page. > I > tried pressing Alt-Control-Z to toggle screen reader support--nothing > happened. > So my question is--how do you get Google Drive to display the entire > document at once? As I said earlier, I just started using it, so this could > seem like a really basic question. Any other tips you have for using Google > Drive would be helpful. Thanks. > > Merlyn Hileman > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From opensesame at me.com Thu Aug 15 02:14:38 2013 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 22:14:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility In-Reply-To: <8D0675C4D152CAC-1D90-340F3@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D0675C4D152CAC-1D90-340F3@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Merlyn -- I have 4suggestions: 1. When I simply want to read a Google Doc, I use my iPhone or iPad. I've had success reading these documents using the Google Drive App on my IOS devices, though editing such documents under IOS still leaves much to be desired. 2. Review Google's instructions for using various screen readers with Docs. This can be found here: http://www.google.com/accessibility/products/ 3. If you haven't already done so, install the Google Drive App for your particular operating system(s). This will allow your device(s) to sync your Google Drive files locally and it adds a folder into your Finder/File Manager which makes it easier to manage and work with these files. The drive App for Mac and Windows can be downloaded from the drive.google.com website. The App for IOS and Android devices can be found in their respective App Stores. 4. As someone else mentioned, consider installing Chrome and the ChromeVox TTS extension. This will mean learning another set of screen reader commands. HTH, Bryan On Aug 14, 2013, at 7:22 PM, Merlyn Hileman wrote: > I am about to start 10th grade. My high school has just started using Google Docs and Google Drive for file sharing. This means that a teacher can create a file with assignment instructions using Google Docs, and share it with his/her students. The problem is I cannot read a file in Google Drive. I just tried opening a copy of my summer assignment from my teacher's webpage. It opened in Google Drive, and I was able to read the first few paragraphs, but not the entire document. Only the first few paragraphs were displayed on the page. I checked the whole page, and there didn't seem to be a button to move to the next page. I tried pressing Alt-Control-Z to toggle screen reader support--nothing happened. > So my question is--how do you get Google Drive to display the entire document at once? As I said earlier, I just started using it, so this could seem like a really basic question. Any other tips you have for using Google Drive would be helpful. Thanks. From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 15 02:51:15 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 22:51:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <8D0675C4D152CAC-1D90-340F3@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <008001ce9962$4feab670$efc02350$@gmail.com> Does chrome work as well as internet explorer? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Jones Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility Hi Merlyn -- I have 4suggestions: 1. When I simply want to read a Google Doc, I use my iPhone or iPad. I've had success reading these documents using the Google Drive App on my IOS devices, though editing such documents under IOS still leaves much to be desired. 2. Review Google's instructions for using various screen readers with Docs. This can be found here: http://www.google.com/accessibility/products/ 3. If you haven't already done so, install the Google Drive App for your particular operating system(s). This will allow your device(s) to sync your Google Drive files locally and it adds a folder into your Finder/File Manager which makes it easier to manage and work with these files. The drive App for Mac and Windows can be downloaded from the drive.google.com website. The App for IOS and Android devices can be found in their respective App Stores. 4. As someone else mentioned, consider installing Chrome and the ChromeVox TTS extension. This will mean learning another set of screen reader commands. HTH, Bryan On Aug 14, 2013, at 7:22 PM, Merlyn Hileman wrote: > I am about to start 10th grade. My high school has just started using Google Docs and Google Drive for file sharing. This means that a teacher can create a file with assignment instructions using Google Docs, and share it with his/her students. The problem is I cannot read a file in Google Drive. I just tried opening a copy of my summer assignment from my teacher's webpage. It opened in Google Drive, and I was able to read the first few paragraphs, but not the entire document. Only the first few paragraphs were displayed on the page. I checked the whole page, and there didn't seem to be a button to move to the next page. I tried pressing Alt-Control-Z to toggle screen reader support--nothing happened. > So my question is--how do you get Google Drive to display the entire document at once? As I said earlier, I just started using it, so this could seem like a really basic question. Any other tips you have for using Google Drive would be helpful. Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 15 04:00:47 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 00:00:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Creation of a new list Message-ID: <9F807968-1EA4-4409-8C12-DF3693FF4337@gmail.com> Hello all, I have created a new list which I believe could be beneficial to a lot of us. I will not give specifics here, but if anybody is interested, you're more than welcome to email me privately at this address. Thank you very much. Sent from my iPhone From codyjbair at yahoo.com Thu Aug 15 12:54:28 2013 From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (Cody Bair) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 06:54:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Word processors for android Message-ID: Hi all, Do any of you know of any word processor apps that are accesible on an android tablet Thanks, Cody Sent from my iPhone From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Aug 15 14:45:11 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:45:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Alert - Planned outage of BARD References: <004101ce98fc$b82535f0$286fa1d0$@lbph.lib.md.us> Message-ID: <2980297644141307804@unknownmsgid> FYI — please see below for important information regarding NLS BARD. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: *From:* Mollyne Honor *Date:* August 14, 2013, 10:44:02 AM EDT *To:* *Subject:* *Alert - Planned outage of BARD* *Reply-To:* Mollyne Honor All data systems and websites at the Library of Congress will be unavailable from 10:00 p.m. (EDT) Friday, August 16, 2013, through 8:00 a.m. (EDT) Monday, August 19, 2013, for equipment maintenance. The NLS services affected include: · Braille and Audio Reading Download (BARD; practice BARD) · Library of Congress main catalog (Voyager) · Library of Congress public website at www.loc.gov · NLS public website at www.loc.gov/nls (or nls.loc.gov) · NLS Voyager and text catalog We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. From freethaught at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 04:34:18 2013 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 00:34:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> References: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Kelsey, I agree that cited guide techniques are faster and convenient at times. It is important for me to develop a level of independence from always following someone around. It seems to me that you have the pended on sighted people to guide you too much, and for too long. I hope you will consider where I'm coming from, since you asked the original cited guide question. I typically walk holding a sighted persons elbow when I am walking with them. I have tried walking through environments like a parking lot with my mother while trying to get to a store. It is frustrating to her, and counterintuitive to see me finding all of the cars along the way. It is counterproductive for me to reach the sidewalk and turn the wrong way, away from our destination to ask some other sighted person the direction of the pharmacy, or other destination. These are techniques I will use if my mother were not there. After all, I can only guess at which direction the store will be if I am not very familiar with the area. So trying to be rebellious Lee independent hasn't worked so well. Walking with sighted friends down the sidewalk and finding all obstacles in my way is also unnecessary, and makes the sighted person look inconsiderate to other people around, since they are supposedly watching me run into things. This may seem small to some of us, but this technique for walking on my own when walking with someone draws unnecessary attention. I think you need to create opportunities to do things away from your family, and with supportive friends. Maybe even something you do on your own, like going for a walk, or just going to grab something at a store you haven't been to before. These exercises might increase your confidence and skill. I hope this answers some of your questions Antonio. On Aug 9, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at a church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my parents have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. My question is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my family or friends just because it is faster for everyone. However, since I may have to take the transit sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch independently? If so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go about taking over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my college women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 05:00:33 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 23:00:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] the use of sighted guide technique In-Reply-To: References: <52055576.4a50320a.2b49.ffffdf3c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I use sighted guide fairly often with close family, friends etc. As Antonio says, it is often more graceful and allows us to converse without having to talk a lot about directions. I generally don't use sighted guide with people I have just met. I want them to get an impression of me as an independent traveler first before we start doing sighted guide and I don't want to burden them by asking to hold their arm. When my fiancee and I started dating, I intentionally did not tell him about sighted guide until the fourth date because I wanted to be sure he didn't think of me as the girl who always needed to hang on him. I actually bumped into him once on our first date which was quite hilarious! It may have been a little rebelliously independent but I think the timing was very good and when I did actually inform him about sighted guide I knew he already thought I was a decent traveler. We use sighted guide now but he also knows that I can get around fine just walking beside him or on my own. However, when I don't do sighted guide, I still listen to where the person is going and actively follow them. I can avoid most obstacles by listening to where they are going. If I'm walking in a group, I try to walk at the front or to the side so I don't trip or hit people with my cane. I have colleagues who still don't do sighted guide with me just because I never got around to suggesting it. We walk a little slower than we would if we used sighted guide, but it is not a big deal. When I was growing up I used to go sighted guide almost exclusively. I still remember one time in college when, after being around the NFB for a few years, I decided not to use sighted guide on a group outing. We were doing "trick-or-canning" which is like trick-or-treating on Halloween, except we collected canned goods for food banks instead of candy. I was carrying a bag of canned goods and because I chose not to use sighted guide, my hand was free to hold my own bag. If I'd done sighted guide I would have had to ask my guide to hang on to my cans for me because I always carry my cane whether or not I am also using sighted guide. It felt incredibly liberating to carry my own stuff and to freely choose whether or not I wanted to hold someone's arm. The bottom line is it is really about choice and whichever method gives you and your partner the most freedom and convenience. Best, Arielle On 8/15/13, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote: > Kelsey, > > I agree that cited guide techniques are faster and convenient at times. It > is important for me to develop a level of independence from always following > someone around. > > It seems to me that you have the pended on sighted people to guide you too > much, and for too long. I hope you will consider where I'm coming from, > since you asked the original cited guide question. > > I typically walk holding a sighted persons elbow when I am walking with > them. I have tried walking through environments like a parking lot with my > mother while trying to get to a store. It is frustrating to her, and > counterintuitive to see me finding all of the cars along the way. It is > counterproductive for me to reach the sidewalk and turn the wrong way, away > from our destination to ask some other sighted person the direction of the > pharmacy, or other destination. These are techniques I will use if my mother > were not there. After all, I can only guess at which direction the store > will be if I am not very familiar with the area. > > So trying to be rebellious Lee independent hasn't worked so well. > > Walking with sighted friends down the sidewalk and finding all obstacles in > my way is also unnecessary, and makes the sighted person look inconsiderate > to other people around, since they are supposedly watching me run into > things. > > This may seem small to some of us, but this technique for walking on my own > when walking with someone draws unnecessary attention. > > I think you need to create opportunities to do things away from your family, > and with supportive friends. Maybe even something you do on your own, like > going for a walk, or just going to grab something at a store you haven't > been to before. > > These exercises might increase your confidence and skill. > > I hope this answers some of your questions > > Antonio. > > > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Kelsey Nicolay > wrote: > >> Hello, >> I will be joining a women's chorus very soon. The group practices at a >> church in my hometown. They are on Friday evenings which means my parents >> have to wait until rehearsal ends to go down to our camper. My question >> is this: I have always just went sighted guide with my family or friends >> just because it is faster for everyone. However, since I may have to take >> the transit sometimes or go with another chorus momber, do you think it is >> appropriate to use sighted guide technique with them, whether it be the >> transit driver or another person in the group? Or should I arrange for >> someone to show me how to get in and out of the chorch independently? If >> so, if my mobility instructor cannot do it, how would a family member go >> about taking over this role? I used sighted guide with my friends in my >> college women's chohus, but I have a feeling that since this group is a >> community group, it will be different. What do you guwiths think? >> Thanks, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Aug 16 10:38:03 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:38:03 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! Message-ID: I'm about to begin my final semester of college on next Thursday. I'm taking U.S. History 1, as an elective, and Micro Computer Business Applications, using the Microsoft Office, 2010 textbook. I'm also doing my practicum and seminar. My question is about the online class, (CBA.) How visual is this class going to be, especially when I work with Excel, and Powerpoint? How well does Excel work with Jaws? I believe my school has the latest version. Thanks, Joshua From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 13:03:13 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 09:03:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00de01ce9a80$f7b72770$e7257650$@gmail.com> Excel works well with jaws. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:38 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! I'm about to begin my final semester of college on next Thursday. I'm taking U.S. History 1, as an elective, and Micro Computer Business Applications, using the Microsoft Office, 2010 textbook. I'm also doing my practicum and seminar. My question is about the online class, (CBA.) How visual is this class going to be, especially when I work with Excel, and Powerpoint? How well does Excel work with Jaws? I believe my school has the latest version. Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Aug 16 13:23:40 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:23:40 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! In-Reply-To: <00de01ce9a80$f7b72770$e7257650$@gmail.com> References: , <00de01ce9a80$f7b72770$e7257650$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good! I've never used it before, so I needed to know. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:03 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! Excel works well with jaws. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:38 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! I'm about to begin my final semester of college on next Thursday. I'm taking U.S. History 1, as an elective, and Micro Computer Business Applications, using the Microsoft Office, 2010 textbook. I'm also doing my practicum and seminar. My question is about the online class, (CBA.) How visual is this class going to be, especially when I work with Excel, and Powerpoint? How well does Excel work with Jaws? I believe my school has the latest version. Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 16:08:08 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:08:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! In-Reply-To: References: <00de01ce9a80$f7b72770$e7257650$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Perhaps if you have the Microsoft suite on your personal computer you could play with Excel before you start the class? I primarily use the arrow keys and tab for navigating, but I don't really do anything too advanced with it. On 8/16/13, Joshua Lester wrote: > Good! > I've never used it before, so I needed to know. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:03 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! > > Excel works well with jaws. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:38 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! > > I'm about to begin my final semester of college on next Thursday. > I'm taking U.S. History 1, as an elective, and Micro Computer Business > Applications, using the Microsoft Office, 2010 textbook. > I'm also doing my practicum and seminar. > My question is about the online class, (CBA.) How visual is this class > going > to be, especially when I work with Excel, and Powerpoint? > How well does Excel work with Jaws? > I believe my school has the latest version. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 16:13:56 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:13:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! In-Reply-To: References: <00de01ce9a80$f7b72770$e7257650$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <021601ce9a9b$9c3747c0$d4a5d740$@gmail.com> I have taught it before; there are a lot of shortcuts you can use. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 12:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! Perhaps if you have the Microsoft suite on your personal computer you could play with Excel before you start the class? I primarily use the arrow keys and tab for navigating, but I don't really do anything too advanced with it. On 8/16/13, Joshua Lester wrote: > Good! > I've never used it before, so I needed to know. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:03 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! > > Excel works well with jaws. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua > Lester > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:38 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! > > I'm about to begin my final semester of college on next Thursday. > I'm taking U.S. History 1, as an elective, and Micro Computer Business > Applications, using the Microsoft Office, 2010 textbook. > I'm also doing my practicum and seminar. > My question is about the online class, (CBA.) How visual is this class > going to be, especially when I work with Excel, and Powerpoint? > How well does Excel work with Jaws? > I believe my school has the latest version. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > aedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 16:56:59 2013 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:56:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPad In-Reply-To: References: <00de01ce9a80$f7b72770$e7257650$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <81F556A1-63C8-4711-98A0-FE2F3F2A9159@gmail.com> Hi all, Sorry for interrupting the thread, but I was wondering if anyone could tell me or give me information about an iPad? I am looking into purchasing an iPad, but was told that the iPad 3 which is the one that I was thinking of purchasing is no longer being made. I was wondering if anybody had any ideas of which iPad would be best to get? I know there's the iPad 2, the iPad mini, and another iPad that I can't remember the name of. I know some of you as they do research more research and more research, but because I know so many of you use iPads, I figured it would be awesome as good idea to ask what your thoughts were. I am looking for an iPad wi Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Good! > I've never used it before, so I needed to know. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:03 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! > > Excel works well with jaws. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:38 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! > > I'm about to begin my final semester of college on next Thursday. > I'm taking U.S. History 1, as an elective, and Micro Computer Business > Applications, using the Microsoft Office, 2010 textbook. > I'm also doing my practicum and seminar. > My question is about the online class, (CBA.) How visual is this class going > to be, especially when I work with Excel, and Powerpoint? > How well does Excel work with Jaws? > I believe my school has the latest version. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.c From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 17:19:14 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:19:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iPad In-Reply-To: <81F556A1-63C8-4711-98A0-FE2F3F2A9159@gmail.com> References: <00de01ce9a80$f7b72770$e7257650$@gmail.com> <81F556A1-63C8-4711-98A0-FE2F3F2A9159@gmail.com> Message-ID: <023001ce9aa4$bbedf010$33c9d030$@gmail.com> What are you interrupting the thread for...? Lol -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 12:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] iPad Hi all, Sorry for interrupting the thread, but I was wondering if anyone could tell me or give me information about an iPad? I am looking into purchasing an iPad, but was told that the iPad 3 which is the one that I was thinking of purchasing is no longer being made. I was wondering if anybody had any ideas of which iPad would be best to get? I know there's the iPad 2, the iPad mini, and another iPad that I can't remember the name of. I know some of you as they do research more research and more research, but because I know so many of you use iPads, I figured it would be awesome as good idea to ask what your thoughts were. I am looking for an iPad wi Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Good! > I've never used it before, so I needed to know. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:03 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! > > Excel works well with jaws. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua > Lester > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:38 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! > > I'm about to begin my final semester of college on next Thursday. > I'm taking U.S. History 1, as an elective, and Micro Computer Business > Applications, using the Microsoft Office, 2010 textbook. > I'm also doing my practicum and seminar. > My question is about the online class, (CBA.) How visual is this class > going to be, especially when I work with Excel, and Powerpoint? > How well does Excel work with Jaws? > I believe my school has the latest version. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > aedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gm > ail.c _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 17:20:20 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:20:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iPad In-Reply-To: <81F556A1-63C8-4711-98A0-FE2F3F2A9159@gmail.com> References: <00de01ce9a80$f7b72770$e7257650$@gmail.com> <81F556A1-63C8-4711-98A0-FE2F3F2A9159@gmail.com> Message-ID: <023101ce9aa4$e3564940$aa02dbc0$@gmail.com> If I were going to get an eye pad, I would make sure I got a phone. Personally, between a good laptop, and a good eye phone, I don't see the need for one, but I'm sure that many people disagree and for good reasons. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 12:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] iPad Hi all, Sorry for interrupting the thread, but I was wondering if anyone could tell me or give me information about an iPad? I am looking into purchasing an iPad, but was told that the iPad 3 which is the one that I was thinking of purchasing is no longer being made. I was wondering if anybody had any ideas of which iPad would be best to get? I know there's the iPad 2, the iPad mini, and another iPad that I can't remember the name of. I know some of you as they do research more research and more research, but because I know so many of you use iPads, I figured it would be awesome as good idea to ask what your thoughts were. I am looking for an iPad wi Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Good! > I've never used it before, so I needed to know. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:03 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! > > Excel works well with jaws. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua > Lester > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:38 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! > > I'm about to begin my final semester of college on next Thursday. > I'm taking U.S. History 1, as an elective, and Micro Computer Business > Applications, using the Microsoft Office, 2010 textbook. > I'm also doing my practicum and seminar. > My question is about the online class, (CBA.) How visual is this class > going to be, especially when I work with Excel, and Powerpoint? > How well does Excel work with Jaws? > I believe my school has the latest version. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > aedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gm > ail.c _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 17:24:37 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:24:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iPad In-Reply-To: <81F556A1-63C8-4711-98A0-FE2F3F2A9159@gmail.com> References: <00de01ce9a80$f7b72770$e7257650$@gmail.com> <81F556A1-63C8-4711-98A0-FE2F3F2A9159@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001ce9aa5$7c727400$75575c00$@gmail.com> The reason I prefer the keyboardpad is that I found the touch pad a little clunky for texting, though for selecting things, it seems to do fine. I don't like having to always talk out my texts, because I don't like people knowing what I am texting when using the voice over technology. I have seen other people use eye pads effectively. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 12:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] iPad Hi all, Sorry for interrupting the thread, but I was wondering if anyone could tell me or give me information about an iPad? I am looking into purchasing an iPad, but was told that the iPad 3 which is the one that I was thinking of purchasing is no longer being made. I was wondering if anybody had any ideas of which iPad would be best to get? I know there's the iPad 2, the iPad mini, and another iPad that I can't remember the name of. I know some of you as they do research more research and more research, but because I know so many of you use iPads, I figured it would be awesome as good idea to ask what your thoughts were. I am looking for an iPad wi Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Good! > I've never used it before, so I needed to know. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:03 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! > > Excel works well with jaws. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua > Lester > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:38 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! > > I'm about to begin my final semester of college on next Thursday. > I'm taking U.S. History 1, as an elective, and Micro Computer Business > Applications, using the Microsoft Office, 2010 textbook. > I'm also doing my practicum and seminar. > My question is about the online class, (CBA.) How visual is this class > going to be, especially when I work with Excel, and Powerpoint? > How well does Excel work with Jaws? > I believe my school has the latest version. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > aedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gm > ail.c _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From blakentracy at live.com Fri Aug 16 22:07:17 2013 From: blakentracy at live.com (blake) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:07:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPad In-Reply-To: <000001ce9aa5$7c727400$75575c00$@gmail.com> References: <00de01ce9a80$f7b72770$e7257650$@gmail.com> <81F556A1-63C8-4711-98A0-FE2F3F2A9159@gmail.com> <000001ce9aa5$7c727400$75575c00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/16/2013 12:24 PM, justin williams wrote: > The reason I prefer the keyboardpad is that I found the touch pad a little > clunky for texting, though for selecting things, it seems to do fine. I > don't like having to always talk out my texts, because I don't like people > knowing what I am texting when using the voice over technology. I have seen > other people use eye pads effectively. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 12:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] iPad > > Hi all, > Sorry for interrupting the thread, but I was wondering if anyone could tell > me or give me information about an iPad? I am looking into purchasing an > iPad, but was told that the iPad 3 which is the one that I was thinking of > purchasing is no longer being made. I was wondering if anybody had any ideas > of which iPad would be best to get? I know there's the iPad 2, the iPad > mini, and another iPad that I can't remember the name of. I know some of you > as they do research more research and more research, but because I know so > many of you use iPads, I figured it would be awesome as good idea to ask > what your thoughts were. I am looking for an iPad wi > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Good! >> I've never used it before, so I needed to know. >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:03 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! >> >> Excel works well with jaws. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua >> Lester >> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:38 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! >> >> I'm about to begin my final semester of college on next Thursday. >> I'm taking U.S. History 1, as an elective, and Micro Computer Business >> Applications, using the Microsoft Office, 2010 textbook. >> I'm also doing my practicum and seminar. >> My question is about the online class, (CBA.) How visual is this class >> going to be, especially when I work with Excel, and Powerpoint? >> How well does Excel work with Jaws? >> I believe my school has the latest version. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu >> aedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gm >> ail.c > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%40live.com > > That's why I love love love love my braille displays. Whether I have a 14 or 80 I don't care. I love having braille and a perkins keyboard at my fingers, and I refuse to text people without it. I will just stick with HeyTell for that. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Aug 17 01:40:41 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:40:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iPad In-Reply-To: References: <00de01ce9a80$f7b72770$e7257650$@gmail.com> <81F556A1-63C8-4711-98A0-FE2F3F2A9159@gmail.com><000001ce9aa5$7c727400$75575c00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: nothing was in this message Blake. -----Original Message----- From: blake Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:07 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPad On 8/16/2013 12:24 PM, justin williams wrote: > The reason I prefer the keyboardpad is that I found the touch pad a > little > clunky for texting, though for selecting things, it seems to do fine. I > don't like having to always talk out my texts, because I don't like people > knowing what I am texting when using the voice over technology. I have > seen > other people use eye pads effectively. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 12:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] iPad > > Hi all, > Sorry for interrupting the thread, but I was wondering if anyone could > tell > me or give me information about an iPad? I am looking into purchasing an > iPad, but was told that the iPad 3 which is the one that I was thinking of > purchasing is no longer being made. I was wondering if anybody had any > ideas > of which iPad would be best to get? I know there's the iPad 2, the iPad > mini, and another iPad that I can't remember the name of. I know some of > you > as they do research more research and more research, but because I know so > many of you use iPads, I figured it would be awesome as good idea to ask > what your thoughts were. I am looking for an iPad wi > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Good! >> I've never used it before, so I needed to know. >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:03 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! >> >> Excel works well with jaws. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua >> Lester >> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:38 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Heading back to school on Thursday! >> >> I'm about to begin my final semester of college on next Thursday. >> I'm taking U.S. History 1, as an elective, and Micro Computer Business >> Applications, using the Microsoft Office, 2010 textbook. >> I'm also doing my practicum and seminar. >> My question is about the online class, (CBA.) How visual is this class >> going to be, especially when I work with Excel, and Powerpoint? >> How well does Excel work with Jaws? >> I believe my school has the latest version. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu >> aedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gm >> ail.c > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%40live.com > > That's why I love love love love my braille displays. Whether I have a 14 or 80 I don't care. I love having braille and a perkins keyboard at my fingers, and I refuse to text people without it. I will just stick with HeyTell for that. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 01:42:15 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:42:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS Message-ID: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> Dear All: I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the iPhone. When I searched on the app store, I found many different Bible apps which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you access to the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your iPhone. So, I am wondering if there are any particularly accessible apps for this purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you version, but when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. Instead, it would take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from life church.tv. I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? Any help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize that not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in advance for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list and ask for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only we would use. :-) Thanks in advance, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone From gpaikens at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 03:04:48 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 23:04:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS In-Reply-To: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> References: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Chris, The Youversion app is the Bible app from Lifechurch.tv. That was going to be the one I recommended as well. In my experience it is very accessible. I just updated to the newest version and could only find one unlabeled button, and that was when I opened the settings tab. I really like this app because of the reading plan features. Let me know what you are specifically having trouble with and maybe I can help. -Greg On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Dear All: > > I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the > iPhone. When I searched on the app store, I found many different Bible > apps which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you access > to the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your iPhone. So, > I am wondering if there are any particularly accessible apps for this > purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you version, but > when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. Instead, it would > take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from life church.tv. > I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it > seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled > if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to > understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the > app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the > Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? Any > help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize that > not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in advance > for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list and ask > for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only we would > use. :-) > > Thanks in advance, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From blakentracy at live.com Sat Aug 17 03:18:37 2013 From: blakentracy at live.com (blake) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 22:18:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS In-Reply-To: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> References: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: On 8/16/2013 8:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Dear All: > > I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the > iPhone. When I searched on the app store, I found many different Bible > apps which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you access > to the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your iPhone. So, > I am wondering if there are any particularly accessible apps for this > purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you version, but > when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. Instead, it would > take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from life church.tv. > I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it > seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled > if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to > understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the > app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the > Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? Any > help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize that > not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in advance > for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list and ask > for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only we would > use. :-) > > Thanks in advance, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%40live.com > > I don't know about the bible app, but I do love bible gateway. Not only is it very accessible, it has search, it has a daily reminder thingy if you're into that, I don't do that, but anyway, and it has where you can either read with voiceover... or you can listen to it in audio. From kobycox at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 03:27:51 2013 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 22:27:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5DE0CA2803524093A1DF66182DAB362B@OwnerPC> Blake, There was nothing In the boddy of this email. Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of blake Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 10:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS On 8/16/2013 8:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Dear All: > > I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the > iPhone. When I searched on the app store, I found many different Bible > apps which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you access > to the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your iPhone. So, > I am wondering if there are any particularly accessible apps for this > purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you version, but > when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. Instead, it would > take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from life church.tv. > I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it > seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled > if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to > understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the > app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the > Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? Any > help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize that > not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in advance > for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list and ask > for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only we would > use. :-) > > Thanks in advance, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%40live.c om > > I don't know about the bible app, but I do love bible gateway. Not only is it very accessible, it has search, it has a daily reminder thingy if you're into that, I don't do that, but anyway, and it has where you can either read with voiceover... or you can listen to it in audio. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 03:34:47 2013 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 23:34:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of Google books Message-ID: Hi List: This has probably been addressed before, but I don't remember: Anyway, how accessible are Google books? If I get one, can I read it on my computer and/or BrailleNote? (Side note, I'm using a Dell laptop w/JAWS.) Has anybody worked with Google books in the past? If so, what did you find? Thanks, Patrick From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 04:12:28 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 00:12:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning ally Message-ID: <00E64E9A-A7F9-42E2-8421-B529ECFC5D1C@gmail.com> Hi guys, does anybody know how to change an account password with learning Ally? When I login, I can see my bookshelf and the home thing and stuff but I can't see how to get to the account thing to change it. The thing here is that I reset my password, because I couldn't remember my old one, and it generated a new one for me and I'm trying to change it. I emailed customer support but I want to get all the help and advice I can get on this Particular thing. I am using a Mac with voiceover and OS 10.8.4, and safari 6.5. I've tried with Google Chrome with the same issue. Thanks very much, Josh Sent from my iPhone From benvercellone at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 04:25:43 2013 From: benvercellone at gmail.com (Benjamin Vercellone) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 00:25:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS In-Reply-To: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> References: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <524B85CF-A9D4-4654-AF75-1948B72B5B21@gmail.com> Hello Chris. There are Definitely a number of good accessible Bible apps. One which I like a lot is Blue Letter Bible. The Blue Letter Bible website is at www.blueletterbible.org. The full website is rich with content. Of course you can get their app from the app store. I'm pretty sure the app is free, but I can't promice I remember correctly. If you install it, it will show up as BLB. You can also go to the Blue Letter Bible website by typing www.blb.org. Anyway, on the app, you can have access to the King James Version without needing internet access, but most, if not all other available translations require an internet connection. This is not an issue to me because I have the iPhone. I find the app to be rather accessible, and since all the available Bible versions are free, the only restriction might be if you don't have an internet connection. Also, when you are choosing which book of the Bible you want to read, the books will not be listed in the same order that they are listed from cover to cover in the Bible. But this is not a big issue for me since there are not hundreds of books. I don't know why they are organized weirdly, but that is not a big deal to me. There are Definitely some other good apps too, but this is one of my favorite. And it's pretty easy to find on the app store. It seems to me to be a rather simple app, but there's probably nothing to lose since I'm pretty sure it's free. Hope this helps. In Christ, Ben "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Dear All: > > I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the > iPhone. When I searched on the app store, I found many different Bible > apps which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you access > to the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your iPhone. So, > I am wondering if there are any particularly accessible apps for this > purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you version, but > when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. Instead, it would > take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from life church.tv. > I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it > seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled > if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to > understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the > app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the > Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? Any > help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize that > not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in advance > for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list and ask > for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only we would > use. :-) > > Thanks in advance, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/benvercellone%40gmail.com From maurice.mines at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 04:45:17 2013 From: maurice.mines at gmail.com (Maurice Mines) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:45:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning ally In-Reply-To: <00E64E9A-A7F9-42E2-8421-B529ECFC5D1C@gmail.com> References: <00E64E9A-A7F9-42E2-8421-B529ECFC5D1C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7DA7C54D-020C-4572-899D-27E9805A0E4D@gmail.com> Hello, what you are experiencing is something I recently went through. Hopefully when you decided to change your password, you did so by requesting a temporary password. If you have done this, the system should send you that temporary password to the email that you have on file. I believe that that email address is also your username. If this is not the case? Then it is very likely that you will have to wait until Monday morning and actually talk to someone from customer service. I hope this helps you out? Sincerely Maurice Mines, national Federation of the blind of Washington Clark County chapter secretary. PS it seems like after a nearly two-year hiatus from being a full-time student that I'm definitely headed back to the classroom. But there is a good twist to this I also have a part-time job. The only thing that makes me somewhat nervous is that two of my classes are completely online. While out of See how well this goes. Now I have a question for Apple users, who also use learning allies software? Ever since I installed the book manager, and in the read here software on my Mac, voiceover as at times acted strangely, the most irritating side effect, seems to be the Mac App Store. Essentially when I tried to download anything, I can't seem to be able to sign in to complete my purchase and/or the download of a free app. A friend recently suggested that there might be a link between learning ally software, and my voiceover problems? Does anybody have any thoughts on this? Because it is certainly causing me a great deal of pondering, this definitely has me thinking about organizations that develop software for a specialized population, and how much beta testing is, or is not being done? However let me be clear I am not suggesting that learning how I didn't do all of this. My comments about beta testing our men to be a general comment regarding all software developers, and/or organizations that write specialized software in general. Thank you very much for reading this, or those that are starting back here very soon on the semester system latest article term goal well. And for those of us there on the quarter system, it probably is time to start thinking about the end of summer unfortunately. Be well everybody. On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > Hi guys, does anybody know how to change an account password with learning Ally? When I login, I can see my bookshelf and the home thing and stuff but I can't see how to get to the account thing to change it. The thing here is that I reset my password, because I couldn't remember my old one, and it generated a new one for me and I'm trying to change it. I emailed customer support but I want to get all the help and advice I can get on this Particular thing. I am using a Mac with voiceover and OS 10.8.4, and safari 6.5. I've tried with Google Chrome with the same issue. > Thanks very much, > Josh > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maurice.mines%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 04:47:31 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 00:47:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning ally In-Reply-To: <7DA7C54D-020C-4572-899D-27E9805A0E4D@gmail.com> References: <00E64E9A-A7F9-42E2-8421-B529ECFC5D1C@gmail.com> <7DA7C54D-020C-4572-899D-27E9805A0E4D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <89889FA2-114F-4C46-BDC2-05071199BCAF@gmail.com> Yes, I do have a temporary password. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Maurice Mines wrote: > Hello, what you are experiencing is something I recently went through. Hopefully when you decided to change your password, you did so by requesting a temporary password. If you have done this, the system should send you that temporary password to the email that you have on file. I believe that that email address is also your username. If this is not the case? Then it is very likely that you will have to wait until Monday morning and actually talk to someone from customer service. I hope this helps you out? > > Sincerely Maurice Mines, national Federation of the blind of Washington Clark County chapter secretary. PS it seems like after a nearly two-year hiatus from being a full-time student that I'm definitely headed back to the classroom. But there is a good twist to this I also have a part-time job. The only thing that makes me somewhat nervous is that two of my classes are completely online. While out of See how well this goes. Now I have a question for Apple users, who also use learning allies software? Ever since I installed the book manager, and in the read here software on my Mac, voiceover as at times acted strangely, the most irritating side effect, seems to be the Mac App Store. Essentially when I tried to download anything, I can't seem to be able to sign in to complete my purchase and/or the download of a free app. A friend recently suggested that there might be a link between learning ally software, and my voiceover problems? Does anybody have any thoughts on this? Because it is certainly causing me a great deal of pondering, this definitely has me thinking about organizations that develop software for a specialized population, and how much beta testing is, or is not being done? However let me be clear I am not suggesting that learning how I didn't do all of this. My comments about beta testing our men to be a general comment regarding all software developers, and/or organizations that write specialized software in general. Thank you very much for reading this, or those that are starting back here very soon on the semester system latest article term goal well. And for those of us there on the quarter system, it probably is time to start thinking about the end of summer unfortunately. Be well everybody. > On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > >> Hi guys, does anybody know how to change an account password with learning Ally? When I login, I can see my bookshelf and the home thing and stuff but I can't see how to get to the account thing to change it. The thing here is that I reset my password, because I couldn't remember my old one, and it generated a new one for me and I'm trying to change it. I emailed customer support but I want to get all the help and advice I can get on this Particular thing. I am using a Mac with voiceover and OS 10.8.4, and safari 6.5. I've tried with Google Chrome with the same issue. >> Thanks very much, >> Josh >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maurice.mines%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 17 09:41:14 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:41:14 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS In-Reply-To: <524B85CF-A9D4-4654-AF75-1948B72B5B21@gmail.com> References: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid>, <524B85CF-A9D4-4654-AF75-1948B72B5B21@gmail.com> Message-ID: I like and use this one alot! http://www.biblegateway.com Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Benjamin Vercellone [benvercellone at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS Hello Chris. There are Definitely a number of good accessible Bible apps. One which I like a lot is Blue Letter Bible. The Blue Letter Bible website is at www.blueletterbible.org. The full website is rich with content. Of course you can get their app from the app store. I'm pretty sure the app is free, but I can't promice I remember correctly. If you install it, it will show up as BLB. You can also go to the Blue Letter Bible website by typing www.blb.org. Anyway, on the app, you can have access to the King James Version without needing internet access, but most, if not all other available translations require an internet connection. This is not an issue to me because I have the iPhone. I find the app to be rather accessible, and since all the available Bible versions are free, the only restriction might be if you don't have an internet connection. Also, when you are choosing which book of the Bible you want to read, the books will not be listed in the same order that they are listed from cover to cover in the Bible. But this is not a big issue for me since there are not hundreds of books. I don't know why they are organized weirdly, but that is not a big deal to me. There are Definitely some other good apps too, but this is one of my favorite. And it's pretty easy to find on the app store. It seems to me to be a rather simple app, but there's probably nothing to lose since I'm pretty sure it's free. Hope this helps. In Christ, Ben "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Dear All: > > I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the > iPhone. When I searched on the app store, I found many different Bible > apps which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you access > to the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your iPhone. So, > I am wondering if there are any particularly accessible apps for this > purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you version, but > when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. Instead, it would > take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from life church.tv. > I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it > seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled > if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to > understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the > app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the > Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? Any > help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize that > not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in advance > for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list and ask > for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only we would > use. :-) > > Thanks in advance, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/benvercellone%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 15:13:41 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:13:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS In-Reply-To: References: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <3875577888488268196@unknownmsgid> Greg, Is it necessary to create an account when using the Bible app? When I first downloaded the app and opened it, it wanted me to create an account or sign in with Facebook. This was a screen that had a lot of weirdly labeled buttons. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Greg Aikens wrote: > Hi Chris, > The Youversion app is the Bible app from Lifechurch.tv. That was going to be the one I recommended as well. In my experience it is very accessible. I just updated to the newest version and could only find one unlabeled button, and that was when I opened the settings tab. > > I really like this app because of the reading plan features. > > Let me know what you are specifically having trouble with and maybe I can help. > > -Greg > > On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > >> Dear All: >> >> I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the >> iPhone. When I searched on the app store, I found many different Bible >> apps which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you access >> to the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your iPhone. So, >> I am wondering if there are any particularly accessible apps for this >> purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you version, but >> when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. Instead, it would >> take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from life church.tv. >> I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it >> seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled >> if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to >> understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the >> app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the >> Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? Any >> help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize that >> not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in advance >> for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list and ask >> for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only we would >> use. :-) >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sat Aug 17 15:58:52 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:58:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS In-Reply-To: References: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Blake, I am not sure if you are aware of this or not, but when you type your messages for this email list, they appear at the bottom of the message and not at the top. This makes it appear as though your messages are empty. In order to gain the most out of this email list as well as when corresponding with anyone else for that matter, I highly recommend that you type your messages at the top of the email and not at the bottom. If you are not sure how to go about doing this, I am sure there are plenty of folks on here with the technical know how to provide you with some advice on how to go about doing this. Again, I am not sure if you were aware of this or not, so I just thought I would point it out to you. Warm regards, Elizabeth From: "Blake" Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:18 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > On 8/16/2013 8:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: >> Dear All: >> >> I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the >> iPhone. When I searched on the app store, I found many different Bible >> apps which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you access >> to the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your iPhone. So, >> I am wondering if there are any particularly accessible apps for this >> purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you version, but >> when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. Instead, it would >> take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from life church.tv. >> I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it >> seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled >> if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to >> understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the >> app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the >> Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? Any >> help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize that >> not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in advance >> for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list and ask >> for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only we would >> use. :-) >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%40live.com >> >> > I don't know about the bible app, but I do love bible gateway. Not only is > it very accessible, it has search, it has a daily reminder thingy if > you're into that, I don't do that, but anyway, and it has where you can > either read with voiceover... or you can listen to it in audio. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 16:00:22 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:00:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS In-Reply-To: References: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <00ad01ce9b62$e1d0c960$a5725c20$@gmail.com> How is that happening? I've never seen that before. For jaws users, if you use insert down arrow, you will read all without having to know where his messages are in the messages. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 11:59 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS Hi Blake, I am not sure if you are aware of this or not, but when you type your messages for this email list, they appear at the bottom of the message and not at the top. This makes it appear as though your messages are empty. In order to gain the most out of this email list as well as when corresponding with anyone else for that matter, I highly recommend that you type your messages at the top of the email and not at the bottom. If you are not sure how to go about doing this, I am sure there are plenty of folks on here with the technical know how to provide you with some advice on how to go about doing this. Again, I am not sure if you were aware of this or not, so I just thought I would point it out to you. Warm regards, Elizabeth From: "Blake" Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:18 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > On 8/16/2013 8:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: >> Dear All: >> >> I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the >> iPhone. When I searched on the app store, I found many different >> Bible apps which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you >> access to the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your >> iPhone. So, I am wondering if there are any particularly accessible >> apps for this purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you >> version, but when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. >> Instead, it would take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from life church.tv. >> I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it >> seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled >> if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to >> understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the >> app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the >> Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? Any >> help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize >> that not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in >> advance for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list >> and ask for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only >> we would use. :-) >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%40liv >> e.com >> >> > I don't know about the bible app, but I do love bible gateway. Not > only is it very accessible, it has search, it has a daily reminder > thingy if you're into that, I don't do that, but anyway, and it has > where you can either read with voiceover... or you can listen to it in audio. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmai > l.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Aug 17 16:59:41 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:59:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of Google books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Oh my gosh! I was just going to write a similar message now that its summer and I have time. This is a problem. I don't think its accessible. When ever I search and find a google book excerpt, it’s a problem. I cannot read it with jaws except for maybee the title. I wish they would change this. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Molloy Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of Google books Hi List: This has probably been addressed before, but I don't remember: Anyway, how accessible are Google books? If I get one, can I read it on my computer and/or BrailleNote? (Side note, I'm using a Dell laptop w/JAWS.) Has anybody worked with Google books in the past? If so, what did you find? Thanks, Patrick _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sat Aug 17 17:33:03 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:33:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS In-Reply-To: <00ad01ce9b62$e1d0c960$a5725c20$@gmail.com> References: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> <00ad01ce9b62$e1d0c960$a5725c20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Justin, I am not quite sure how or why this is happening, but a few people on here have indicated that his messages are empty when his message appears at the bottom of the email instead of the top. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "justin williams" Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > How is that happening? I've never seen that before. For jaws users, if > you > use insert down arrow, you will read all without having to know where his > messages are in the messages. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth > Mohnke > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 11:59 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > > Hi Blake, > > I am not sure if you are aware of this or not, but when you type your > messages for this email list, they appear at the bottom of the message and > not at the top. This makes it appear as though your messages are empty. > > In order to gain the most out of this email list as well as when > corresponding with anyone else for that matter, I highly recommend that > you > type your messages at the top of the email and not at the bottom. If you > are > not sure how to go about doing this, I am sure there are plenty of folks > on > here with the technical know how to provide you with some advice on how to > go about doing this. > > Again, I am not sure if you were aware of this or not, so I just thought I > would point it out to you. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > From: "Blake" > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:18 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > >> On 8/16/2013 8:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: >>> Dear All: >>> >>> I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the >>> iPhone. When I searched on the app store, I found many different >>> Bible apps which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you >>> access to the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your >>> iPhone. So, I am wondering if there are any particularly accessible >>> apps for this purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you >>> version, but when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. >>> Instead, it would take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from > life church.tv. >>> I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it >>> seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled >>> if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to >>> understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the >>> app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the >>> Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? Any >>> help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize >>> that not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in >>> advance for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list >>> and ask for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only >>> we would use. :-) >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%40liv >>> e.com >>> >>> >> I don't know about the bible app, but I do love bible gateway. Not >> only is it very accessible, it has search, it has a daily reminder >> thingy if you're into that, I don't do that, but anyway, and it has >> where you can either read with voiceover... or you can listen to it in > audio. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmai >> l.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Aug 17 19:02:51 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:02:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS In-Reply-To: References: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> <00ad01ce9b62$e1d0c960$a5725c20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CC9337C06B45E0B01B33C5278D76E4@OwnerPC> Elizabeth, For me the message seemed empty. I even checked at the bottom and could not find his reply. Perhaps, something is wrong with his I phone settings causing replies to be placed at the bottom or not be there. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS Hi Justin, I am not quite sure how or why this is happening, but a few people on here have indicated that his messages are empty when his message appears at the bottom of the email instead of the top. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "justin williams" Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > How is that happening? I've never seen that before. For jaws users, if > you > use insert down arrow, you will read all without having to know where his > messages are in the messages. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth > Mohnke > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 11:59 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > > Hi Blake, > > I am not sure if you are aware of this or not, but when you type your > messages for this email list, they appear at the bottom of the message and > not at the top. This makes it appear as though your messages are empty. > > In order to gain the most out of this email list as well as when > corresponding with anyone else for that matter, I highly recommend that > you > type your messages at the top of the email and not at the bottom. If you > are > not sure how to go about doing this, I am sure there are plenty of folks > on > here with the technical know how to provide you with some advice on how to > go about doing this. > > Again, I am not sure if you were aware of this or not, so I just thought I > would point it out to you. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > From: "Blake" > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:18 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > >> On 8/16/2013 8:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: >>> Dear All: >>> >>> I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the >>> iPhone. When I searched on the app store, I found many different >>> Bible apps which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you >>> access to the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your >>> iPhone. So, I am wondering if there are any particularly accessible >>> apps for this purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you >>> version, but when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. >>> Instead, it would take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from > life church.tv. >>> I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it >>> seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled >>> if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to >>> understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the >>> app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the >>> Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? Any >>> help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize >>> that not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in >>> advance for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list >>> and ask for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only >>> we would use. :-) >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%40liv >>> e.com >>> >>> >> I don't know about the bible app, but I do love bible gateway. Not >> only is it very accessible, it has search, it has a daily reminder >> thingy if you're into that, I don't do that, but anyway, and it has >> where you can either read with voiceover... or you can listen to it in > audio. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmai >> l.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From gpaikens at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 20:14:50 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:14:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS In-Reply-To: <3875577888488268196@unknownmsgid> References: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> <3875577888488268196@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <65DAD9DA-2B35-4D52-B089-29DBA19F9147@gmail.com> Hi Chris, It does want you to create a log in so that you can sync your reading plans from the app to the website. I ended up making one because sometimes I prefer to do my Bible reading in hard copy braille or on my computer and it was nice to be able to check it off on the reading plan from the website. I don't think you have to make an account though. Once you get past this screen, things should be very accessible. -Greg On Aug 17, 2013, at 11:13 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Greg, > > Is it necessary to create an account when using the Bible app? When I > first downloaded the app and opened it, it wanted me to create an > account or sign in with Facebook. This was a screen that had a lot of > weirdly labeled buttons. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 16, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Greg Aikens wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> The Youversion app is the Bible app from Lifechurch.tv. That was going to be the one I recommended as well. In my experience it is very accessible. I just updated to the newest version and could only find one unlabeled button, and that was when I opened the settings tab. >> >> I really like this app because of the reading plan features. >> >> Let me know what you are specifically having trouble with and maybe I can help. >> >> -Greg >> >> On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: >> >>> Dear All: >>> >>> I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the >>> iPhone. When I searched on the app store, I found many different Bible >>> apps which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you access >>> to the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your iPhone. So, >>> I am wondering if there are any particularly accessible apps for this >>> purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you version, but >>> when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. Instead, it would >>> take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from life church.tv. >>> I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it >>> seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled >>> if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to >>> understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the >>> app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the >>> Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? Any >>> help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize that >>> not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in advance >>> for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list and ask >>> for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only we would >>> use. :-) >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From leyeshprintse at ymail.com Sat Aug 17 20:30:06 2013 From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 22:30:06 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] iPad In-Reply-To: <81F556A1-63C8-4711-98A0-FE2F3F2A9159@gmail.com> References: <00de01ce9a80$f7b72770$e7257650$@gmail.com> <81F556A1-63C8-4711-98A0-FE2F3F2A9159@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2EAE6356-2F42-4C77-A494-EC612A710F9D@ymail.com> BS"D Gloria, There aren't big differences between the iPads if you're a totally blind user. If you're partially blind the bigger screen would maybe be a better idea depending on how you use your sight. Anyhow I'm totally blind and I've an iPad Mini, I also have an iPhone, a MacBook Air and an Acer and I use them to different things. Kind regards, Leye-Shprintse <3 From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 21:13:17 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:13:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS Message-ID: <520fe791.a317ec0a.07f5.646b@mx.google.com> Blake is actually a girl. LOL. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <520fe791.a317ec0a.07f5.646b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <012501ce9b90$c50de0a0$4f29a1e0$@gmail.com> Don't you folks feel foolish; using the word he and all that. Lol. Thought blake was a guy didn't you?.. Lol. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 5:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS Blake is actually a girl. LOL. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <520fe791.a317ec0a.07f5.646b@mx.google.com> <012501ce9b90$c50de0a0$4f29a1e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi guys, this is Helga. How do you guys know that Blake was a girl and not a boy? Just curious! I was actually thinking that she was a boy as nwell! LOL! And regarding the iPhone issue, maybe if she double tap On the top of the screen, perhaps the message will appear On the. top than on the bottom. What do you guys think? Thanks and God bless! :-) :-) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2013, at 5:29 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > Don't you folks feel foolish; using the word he and all that. Lol. Thought > blake was a guy didn't you?.. Lol. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 5:13 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > > Blake is actually a girl. LOL. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:02:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > > Elizabeth, > For me the message seemed empty. I even checked at the bottom and could not > find his reply. > Perhaps, something is wrong with his I phone settings causing replies to be > placed at the bottom or not be there. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Mohnke > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > > Hi Justin, > > I am not quite sure how or why this is happening, but a few people on here > have indicated that his messages are empty when his message appears at the > bottom of the email instead of the top. > > Elizabeth > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "justin williams" Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > > How is that happening? I've never seen that before. For jaws users, if > you use insert down arrow, you will read all without having to know where > his messages are in the messages. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth > Mohnke > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 11:59 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > > Hi Blake, > > I am not sure if you are aware of this or not, but when you type your > messages for this email list, they appear at the bottom of the message and > not at the top. This makes it appear as though your messages are empty. > > In order to gain the most out of this email list as well as when > corresponding with anyone else for that matter, I highly recommend that you > type your messages at the top of the email and not at the bottom. If you > are not sure how to go about doing this, I am sure there are plenty of > folks on here with the technical know how to provide you with some advice > on how to go about doing this. > > Again, I am not sure if you were aware of this or not, so I just thought I > would point it out to you. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > From: "Blake" Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:18 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > > On 8/16/2013 8:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Dear All: > > I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the iPhone. > When I searched on the app store, I found many different Bible apps which > purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you access to the Bible and > allow you to read any part of it on your iPhone. So, I am wondering if > there are any particularly accessible apps for this purpose. A blind friend > told me about an app called you version, but when I searched for it that > app wouldn't come up. > Instead, it would take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from > life church.tv. > I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it seemed > inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled if labeled > at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to understand what was in > each menu. Has used version been taken off the app store? Are there any > other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the Bible app accessible, but I > just hadn't played with that enough? > Any > help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize that not > everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in advance for > asking a slightly religious question on the secular list and ask for your > patience as we Christians talk about apps that only we would use. :-) > > Thanks in advance, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%4 > 0liv > e.com > > > I don't know about the bible app, but I do love bible gateway. > Not > only is it very accessible, it has search, it has a daily reminder thingy > if you're into that, I don't do that, but anyway, and it has where you can > either read with voiceover... or you can listen to it in audio. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h > otmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h > otmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 18 05:53:48 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 01:53:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning ally In-Reply-To: <89889FA2-114F-4C46-BDC2-05071199BCAF@gmail.com> References: <00E64E9A-A7F9-42E2-8421-B529ECFC5D1C@gmail.com> <7DA7C54D-020C-4572-899D-27E9805A0E4D@gmail.com> <89889FA2-114F-4C46-BDC2-05071199BCAF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3505820C-F9AB-4C0A-966A-0256AB96B17F@yahoo.com> I had the same issue recently. I just called customsd service and they changed it to what I wanted it to be. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:47 AM, Josh Gregory wrote: > Yes, I do have a temporary password. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Maurice Mines wrote: > >> Hello, what you are experiencing is something I recently went through. Hopefully when you decided to change your password, you did so by requesting a temporary password. If you have done this, the system should send you that temporary password to the email that you have on file. I believe that that email address is also your username. If this is not the case? Then it is very likely that you will have to wait until Monday morning and actually talk to someone from customer service. I hope this helps you out? >> >> Sincerely Maurice Mines, national Federation of the blind of Washington Clark County chapter secretary. PS it seems like after a nearly two-year hiatus from being a full-time student that I'm definitely headed back to the classroom. But there is a good twist to this I also have a part-time job. The only thing that makes me somewhat nervous is that two of my classes are completely online. While out of See how well this goes. Now I have a question for Apple users, who also use learning allies software? Ever since I installed the book manager, and in the read here software on my Mac, voiceover as at times acted strangely, the most irritating side effect, seems to be the Mac App Store. Essentially when I tried to download anything, I can't seem to be able to sign in to complete my purchase and/or the download of a free app. A friend recently suggested that there might be a link between learning ally software, and my voiceover problems? Does anybody have any thoughts on this? Because it is certainly causing me a great deal of pondering, this definitely has me thinking about organizations that develop software for a specialized population, and how much beta testing is, or is not being done? However let me be clear I am not suggesting that learning how I didn't do all of this. My comments about beta testing our men to be a general comment regarding all software developers, and/or organizations that write specialized software in general. Thank you very much for reading this, or those that are starting back here very soon on the semester system latest article term goal well. And for those of us there on the quarter system, it probably is time to start thinking about the end of summer unfortunately. Be well everybody. >> On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, does anybody know how to change an account password with learning Ally? When I login, I can see my bookshelf and the home thing and stuff but I can't see how to get to the account thing to change it. The thing here is that I reset my password, because I couldn't remember my old one, and it generated a new one for me and I'm trying to change it. I emailed customer support but I want to get all the help and advice I can get on this Particular thing. I am using a Mac with voiceover and OS 10.8.4, and safari 6.5. I've tried with Google Chrome with the same issue. >>> Thanks very much, >>> Josh >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maurice.mines%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 18 06:27:13 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 02:27:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning ally In-Reply-To: <3505820C-F9AB-4C0A-966A-0256AB96B17F@yahoo.com> References: <00E64E9A-A7F9-42E2-8421-B529ECFC5D1C@gmail.com> <7DA7C54D-020C-4572-899D-27E9805A0E4D@gmail.com> <89889FA2-114F-4C46-BDC2-05071199BCAF@gmail.com> <3505820C-F9AB-4C0A-966A-0256AB96B17F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Right, but if an email states that the settings are available from the my account page or account settings, these areas should be very easily Accessible to us, we shouldn't have to do all this hunting and pecking around to find what we need... I know I did this before, and if I do have to call them, I'm going to very politely and respectfully but firmly make this known to them, this is a little bit on the weird side of things. I'm sorry and I mean no disrespect, but that's just how I feel. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2013, at 1:53 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > I had the same issue recently. I just called customsd service and they changed it to what I wanted it to be. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > > On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:47 AM, Josh Gregory wrote: > >> Yes, I do have a temporary password. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Maurice Mines wrote: >> >>> Hello, what you are experiencing is something I recently went through. Hopefully when you decided to change your password, you did so by requesting a temporary password. If you have done this, the system should send you that temporary password to the email that you have on file. I believe that that email address is also your username. If this is not the case? Then it is very likely that you will have to wait until Monday morning and actually talk to someone from customer service. I hope this helps you out? >>> >>> Sincerely Maurice Mines, national Federation of the blind of Washington Clark County chapter secretary. PS it seems like after a nearly two-year hiatus from being a full-time student that I'm definitely headed back to the classroom. But there is a good twist to this I also have a part-time job. The only thing that makes me somewhat nervous is that two of my classes are completely online. While out of See how well this goes. Now I have a question for Apple users, who also use learning allies software? Ever since I installed the book manager, and in the read here software on my Mac, voiceover as at times acted strangely, the most irritating side effect, seems to be the Mac App Store. Essentially when I tried to download anything, I can't seem to be able to sign in to complete my purchase and/or the download of a free app. A friend recently suggested that there might be a link between learning ally software, and my voiceover problems? Does anybody have any thoughts on this? Because it is certainly causing me a great deal of pondering, this definitely has me thinking about organizations that develop software for a specialized population, and how much beta testing is, or is not being done? However let me be clear I am not suggesting that learning how I didn't do all of this. My comments about beta testing our men to be a general comment regarding all software developers, and/or organizations that write specialized software in general. Thank you very much for reading this, or those that are starting back here very soon on the semester system latest article term goal well. And for those of us there on the quarter system, it probably is time to start thinking about the end of summer unfortunately. Be well everybody. >>> On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: >>> >>>> Hi guys, does anybody know how to change an account password with learning Ally? When I login, I can see my bookshelf and the home thing and stuff but I can't see how to get to the account thing to change it. The thing here is that I reset my password, because I couldn't remember my old one, and it generated a new one for me and I'm trying to change it. I emailed customer support but I want to get all the help and advice I can get on this Particular thing. I am using a Mac with voiceover and OS 10.8.4, and safari 6.5. I've tried with Google Chrome with the same issue. >>>> Thanks very much, >>>> Josh >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maurice.mines%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 18 09:09:11 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 05:09:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS In-Reply-To: References: <520fe791.a317ec0a.07f5.646b@mx.google.com> <012501ce9b90$c50de0a0$4f29a1e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001ce9bf2$9b054d90$d10fe8b0$@gmail.com> I didn't; I was just giving the folks here a hard time. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 12:22 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS Hi guys, this is Helga. How do you guys know that Blake was a girl and not a boy? Just curious! I was actually thinking that she was a boy as nwell! LOL! And regarding the iPhone issue, maybe if she double tap On the top of the screen, perhaps the message will appear On the. top than on the bottom. What do you guys think? Thanks and God bless! :-) :-) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2013, at 5:29 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > Don't you folks feel foolish; using the word he and all that. Lol. > Thought blake was a guy didn't you?.. Lol. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie > Trist > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 5:13 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps > for iOS > > Blake is actually a girl. LOL. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:02:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps > for iOS > > Elizabeth, > For me the message seemed empty. I even checked at the bottom and > could not find his reply. > Perhaps, something is wrong with his I phone settings causing replies > to be placed at the bottom or not be there. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Mohnke > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps > for iOS > > Hi Justin, > > I am not quite sure how or why this is happening, but a few people on > here have indicated that his messages are empty when his message > appears at the bottom of the email instead of the top. > > Elizabeth > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "justin williams" Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps > for iOS > > How is that happening? I've never seen that before. For jaws users, > if you use insert down arrow, you will read all without having to > know where his messages are in the messages. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth > Mohnke > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 11:59 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for > iOS > > Hi Blake, > > I am not sure if you are aware of this or not, but when you type your > messages for this email list, they appear at the bottom of the message > and not at the top. This makes it appear as though your messages are empty. > > In order to gain the most out of this email list as well as when > corresponding with anyone else for that matter, I highly recommend > that you type your messages at the top of the email and not at the > bottom. If you are not sure how to go about doing this, I am sure > there are plenty of folks on here with the technical know how to > provide you with some advice on how to go about doing this. > > Again, I am not sure if you were aware of this or not, so I just > thought I would point it out to you. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > From: "Blake" Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:18 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > > On 8/16/2013 8:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Dear All: > > I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the iPhone. > When I searched on the app store, I found many different Bible apps > which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you access to > the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your iPhone. So, I > am wondering if there are any particularly accessible apps for this > purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you version, but > when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. > Instead, it would take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" > from life church.tv. > I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it > seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled > if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to > understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the > app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the > Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? > Any > help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize > that not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in > advance for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list > and ask for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only > we would use. :-) > > Thanks in advance, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%4 > 0liv > e.com > > > I don't know about the bible app, but I do love bible gateway. > Not > only is it very accessible, it has search, it has a daily reminder > thingy if you're into that, I don't do that, but anyway, and it has > where you can either read with voiceover... or you can listen to it in audio. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h > otmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h > otmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40 > hotmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sun Aug 18 14:34:08 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:34:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS Message-ID: <5210db86.22a1ec0a.11dc.3e69@mx.google.com> I knew because I spent eight weeks with her at LCB this summer. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams" References: <00E64E9A-A7F9-42E2-8421-B529ECFC5D1C@gmail.com> <7DA7C54D-020C-4572-899D-27E9805A0E4D@gmail.com> <89889FA2-114F-4C46-BDC2-05071199BCAF@gmail.com> <3505820C-F9AB-4C0A-966A-0256AB96B17F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5210DD99.7050001@gmail.com> Good morning all, Many Mac users are having issues with the Learning Ally app changing some things for voice over. Please report this to Learning Ally as soon as possible so that this problem can be resolved, and MAC users can use the Learning Ally app. Ashley, On 8/18/2013 2:27 AM, Josh Gregory wrote: > Right, but if an email states that the settings are available from the my account page or account settings, these areas should be very easily Accessible to us, we shouldn't have to do all this hunting and pecking around to find what we need... I know I did this before, and if I do have to call them, I'm going to very politely and respectfully but firmly make this known to them, this is a little bit on the weird side of things. I'm sorry and I mean no disrespect, but that's just how I feel. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 1:53 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > >> I had the same issue recently. I just called customsd service and they changed it to what I wanted it to be. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:47 AM, Josh Gregory wrote: >> >>> Yes, I do have a temporary password. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Maurice Mines wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, what you are experiencing is something I recently went through. Hopefully when you decided to change your password, you did so by requesting a temporary password. If you have done this, the system should send you that temporary password to the email that you have on file. I believe that that email address is also your username. If this is not the case? Then it is very likely that you will have to wait until Monday morning and actually talk to someone from customer service. I hope this helps you out? >>>> >>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines, national Federation of the blind of Washington Clark County chapter secretary. PS it seems like after a nearly two-year hiatus from being a full-time student that I'm definitely headed back to the classroom. But there is a good twist to this I also have a part-time job. The only thing that makes me somewhat nervous is that two of my classes are completely online. While out of See how well this goes. Now I have a question for Apple users, who also use learning allies software? Ever since I installed the book manager, and in the read here software on my Mac, voiceover as at times acted strangely, the most irritating side effect, seems to be the Mac App Store. Essentially when I tried to download anything, I can't seem to be able to sign in to complete my purchase and/or the download of a free app. A friend recently suggested that there might be a link between learning ally software, and my voiceover problems? Does anybody have any thoughts on this? Because it is certainly causing me a great deal of pondering, this definitely has me thinking about organizations that develop software for a specialized population, and how much beta testing is, or is not being done? However let me be clear I am not suggesting that learning how I didn't do all of this. My comments about beta testing our men to be a general comment regarding all software developers, and/or organizations that write specialized software in general. Thank you very much for reading this, or those that are starting back here very soon on the semester system latest article term goal well. And for those of us there on the quarter system, it probably is time to start thinking about the end of summer unfortunately. Be well everybody. >>>> On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi guys, does anybody know how to change an account password with learning Ally? When I login, I can see my bookshelf and the home thing and stuff but I can't see how to get to the account thing to change it. The thing here is that I reset my password, because I couldn't remember my old one, and it generated a new one for me and I'm trying to change it. I emailed customer support but I want to get all the help and advice I can get on this Particular thing. I am using a Mac with voiceover and OS 10.8.4, and safari 6.5. I've tried with Google Chrome with the same issue. >>>>> Thanks very much, >>>>> Josh >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maurice.mines%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 18 16:11:25 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:11:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning ally In-Reply-To: <5210DD99.7050001@gmail.com> References: <00E64E9A-A7F9-42E2-8421-B529ECFC5D1C@gmail.com> <7DA7C54D-020C-4572-899D-27E9805A0E4D@gmail.com> <89889FA2-114F-4C46-BDC2-05071199BCAF@gmail.com> <3505820C-F9AB-4C0A-966A-0256AB96B17F@yahoo.com> <5210DD99.7050001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9DB816DF-3C8B-48C0-A9EF-21048107DAEF@gmail.com> Hello Ashley, that's good to know, but the issue here is with the actual website itself, not the application. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Ashley Coleman wrote: > Good From blakentracy at live.com Sun Aug 18 19:31:05 2013 From: blakentracy at live.com (blake) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:31:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Blake Re: Accessible Bible Apps for iOS In-Reply-To: References: <-4413165569253599858@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: On 8/17/2013 10:58 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > Hi Blake, > > I am not sure if you are aware of this or not, but when you type your > messages for this email list, they appear at the bottom of the message > and not at the top. This makes it appear as though your messages are > empty. > > In order to gain the most out of this email list as well as when > corresponding with anyone else for that matter, I highly recommend > that you type your messages at the top of the email and not at the > bottom. If you are not sure how to go about doing this, I am sure > there are plenty of folks on here with the technical know how to > provide you with some advice on how to go about doing this. > > Again, I am not sure if you were aware of this or not, so I just > thought I would point it out to you. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > From: "Blake" > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:18 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Bible Apps for iOS > >> On 8/16/2013 8:42 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: >>> Dear All: >>> >>> I am looking for recommendations for accessible Bible apps for the >>> iPhone. When I searched on the app store, I found many different Bible >>> apps which purport to do pretty much the same thing: give you access >>> to the Bible and allow you to read any part of it on your iPhone. So, >>> I am wondering if there are any particularly accessible apps for this >>> purpose. A blind friend told me about an app called you version, but >>> when I searched for it that app wouldn't come up. Instead, it would >>> take me to an app which was simply called "Bible" from life church.tv. >>> I tried installing it and playing with it for a little bit, but it >>> seemed inaccessible to me, as many of the buttons were poorly labeled >>> if labeled at all. This made it virtually impossible for me to >>> understand what was in each menu. Has used version been taken off the >>> app store? Are there any other accessible Bible apps you use? Is the >>> Bible app accessible, but I just hadn't played with that enough? Any >>> help with these questions would be greatly appreciated. I realize that >>> not everyone on these lists Is a Christian, so I apologize in advance >>> for asking a slightly religious question on the secular list and ask >>> for your patience as we Christians talk about apps that only we would >>> use. :-) >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%40live.com >>> >>> >>> >> I don't know about the bible app, but I do love bible gateway. Not >> only is it very accessible, it has search, it has a daily reminder >> thingy if you're into that, I don't do that, but anyway, and it has >> where you can either read with voiceover... or you can listen to it >> in audio. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%40live.com > > > Thank you, Elisabeth. I already had a friend mention this, and I think it's time I started a thread asking my question. From blakentracy at live.com Sun Aug 18 19:35:15 2013 From: blakentracy at live.com (blake) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:35:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Thunderbird problem. Message-ID: Hello all: As many people have no doubt seen, my emails have been coming up in the bottem of the page. Also, I have to look in the bottem of my inbox list to find my new emails. They go from oldest to newest. This is since two days ago, when I switched to Mozilla thunderbird. I have been scrounging around the internet trying to find tutorials, which I have, but none that mentioned this. Everything is reversed. Can anyone please tell me how to fix this? Blake From brownbears at mchsi.com Sun Aug 18 20:44:50 2013 From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda Morse) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:44:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] International Phone Calls Message-ID: <000301ce9c53$c95c96b0$5c15c410$@mchsi.com> Does anyone know of an iphone app that you can use to call and text internationally for free? I need one that does not have to be installed on both phones to work. Thanks Miranda From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 18 21:18:09 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:18:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] International Phone Calls In-Reply-To: <000301ce9c53$c95c96b0$5c15c410$@mchsi.com> References: <000301ce9c53$c95c96b0$5c15c410$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <-3812612533393187813@unknownmsgid> Try Pinger. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Miranda Morse wrote: > Does anyone know of an iphone app that you can use to call and text > internationally for free? I need one that does not have to be installed on > both phones to work. > > Thanks > > Miranda > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From jj at bestmidi.com Sun Aug 18 21:44:11 2013 From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:44:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility In-Reply-To: <000001ce994b$6ecabb60$4c603220$@com> References: <8D0675C4D152CAC-1D90-340F3@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com> <000001ce994b$6ecabb60$4c603220$@com> Message-ID: <5211402B.3090005@bestmidi.com> Has anyone successfully installed the Windows client for Drive? I figured doing it this way would give an appearance closer to Dropbox but the Drive installer seemed inaccessible at a quick glance. The ideal solution is accessibility on all platforms of course. Best regards, J.J. On 8/14/2013 8:07 PM, Chun Chao wrote: > One feature you can try is to download a copy of the document from Google > Drive onto your computer. > I find Google Drive fairly well to do with but feel that the functionality > of Docs is still yet to be desired. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Merlyn Hileman > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:23 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility > > Hello, > > I am about to start 10th grade. My high school has just started using Google > Docs and Google Drive for file sharing. This means that a teacher can create > a file with assignment instructions using Google Docs, and share it with > his/her students. The problem is I cannot read a file in Google Drive. I > just tried opening a copy of my summer assignment from my teacher's webpage. > It opened in Google Drive, and I was able to read the first few paragraphs, > but not the entire document. > Only the first few paragraphs were displayed on the page. I checked the > whole page, and there didn't seem to be a button to move to the next page. I > tried pressing Alt-Control-Z to toggle screen reader support--nothing > happened. > So my question is--how do you get Google Drive to display the entire > document at once? As I said earlier, I just started using it, so this could > seem like a really basic question. Any other tips you have for using Google > Drive would be helpful. Thanks. > > Merlyn Hileman > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com From nightfury19 at verizon.net Sun Aug 18 22:06:41 2013 From: nightfury19 at verizon.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:06:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility References: <8D0675C4D152CAC-1D90-340F3@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com> <000001ce994b$6ecabb60$4c603220$@com> <5211402B.3090005@bestmidi.com> Message-ID: <009301ce9c5f$38eb3d50$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Your lucky to be able to read the first few paragraphs because when it comes to a spread sheet, it just doesn't read at all. Google Drive is still not accessible and when I need to use it with anything dealing with school work, I have to have all my info present and then have someone type it in for me and if I need anything read, I still have to have someone do that too. The screen reader keys don't work really and I have no idea why they even have them because I can't use them at all. I've also tried using Drive on my iPod Touch and still nothing is any better. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.J. Meddaugh" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility > Has anyone successfully installed the Windows client for Drive? I figured > doing it this way would give an appearance closer to Dropbox but the Drive > installer seemed inaccessible at a quick glance. > The ideal solution is accessibility on all platforms of course. > > Best regards, > J.J. > > On 8/14/2013 8:07 PM, Chun Chao wrote: >> One feature you can try is to download a copy of the document from Google >> Drive onto your computer. >> I find Google Drive fairly well to do with but feel that the >> functionality >> of Docs is still yet to be desired. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Merlyn >> Hileman >> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:23 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Google Drive accessibility >> >> Hello, >> >> I am about to start 10th grade. My high school has just started using >> Google >> Docs and Google Drive for file sharing. This means that a teacher can >> create >> a file with assignment instructions using Google Docs, and share it with >> his/her students. The problem is I cannot read a file in Google Drive. I >> just tried opening a copy of my summer assignment from my teacher's >> webpage. >> It opened in Google Drive, and I was able to read the first few >> paragraphs, >> but not the entire document. >> Only the first few paragraphs were displayed on the page. I checked the >> whole page, and there didn't seem to be a button to move to the next >> page. I >> tried pressing Alt-Control-Z to toggle screen reader support--nothing >> happened. >> So my question is--how do you get Google Drive to display the entire >> document at once? As I said earlier, I just started using it, so this >> could >> seem like a really basic question. Any other tips you have for using >> Google >> Drive would be helpful. Thanks. >> >> Merlyn Hileman >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zerone1683%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nightfury19%40verizon.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3211/6075 - Release Date: 08/13/13 > From blakentracy at live.com Mon Aug 19 01:53:34 2013 From: blakentracy at live.com (blake) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:53:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Alert - Planned outage of BARD In-Reply-To: <2980297644141307804@unknownmsgid> References: <004101ce98fc$b82535f0$286fa1d0$@lbph.lib.md.us> <2980297644141307804@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: On 8/15/2013 9:45 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > FYI — please see below for important information regarding NLS BARD. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Mollyne Honor > *Date:* August 14, 2013, 10:44:02 AM EDT > *To:* > *Subject:* *Alert - Planned outage of BARD* > *Reply-To:* Mollyne Honor > > > > All data systems and websites at the Library of Congress will be > unavailable from 10:00 p.m. (EDT) Friday, August 16, 2013, through 8:00 > a.m. (EDT) Monday, August 19, 2013, for equipment maintenance. The NLS > services affected include: > > > > · Braille and Audio Reading Download (BARD; practice BARD) > > · Library of Congress main catalog (Voyager) > > · Library of Congress public website at www.loc.gov > > · NLS public website at www.loc.gov/nls (or nls.loc.gov) > > · NLS Voyager and text catalog > > > > > > We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%40live.com > > Wow! Thank you for putting that on here. I didn't get an email like that, and I had tried to get on today to get a book. This tells me when they're going to be back on. LOL I was going to wait a few days for it. From blacklotus86 at gmail.com Mon Aug 19 08:31:55 2013 From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (Zeynep Yilmaz) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:31:55 +0300 Subject: [nabs-l] International Phone Calls In-Reply-To: <000301ce9c53$c95c96b0$5c15c410$@mchsi.com> References: <000301ce9c53$c95c96b0$5c15c410$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <6A4807FA-FFB2-4F63-9C56-3FC81D40A71D@gmail.com> Hello, I use Viber and what's app. These apps use your data and they are free. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2013, at 11:44 PM, "Miranda Morse" wrote: > Does anyone know of an iphone app that you can use to call and text > internationally for free? I need one that does not have to be installed on > both phones to work. > > Thanks > > Miranda > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blacklotus86%40gmail.com From devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net Mon Aug 19 08:40:18 2013 From: devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:40:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Thunderbird problem. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5211D9F2.5000800@pcdesk.net> If you want messages to show up with the newest first, Select the View Menu, then Sort By, then either Date or Order Received depending which you prefer. I prefer order received. Then Select View Again, then Sort By, and finally Descending to put the newer messages at the top of the list. You might also want to enable threading if you have all of your nabs messages in a dedicated folder. I can explain how to do that as well if you need that information. -- Joe From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Mon Aug 19 08:48:20 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:48:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Thunderbird problem. In-Reply-To: <5211D9F2.5000800@pcdesk.net> References: <5211D9F2.5000800@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <5211DBD4.3030702@comcast.net> On 8/19/2013 2:40 AM, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: > If you want messages to show up with the newest first, Select the View > Menu, then Sort By, then either Date or Order Received depending which > you prefer. I prefer order received. Then Select View Again, then Sort > By, and finally Descending to put the newer messages at the top of the > list. You might also want to enable threading if you have all of your > nabs messages in a dedicated folder. I can explain how to do that as > well if you need that information. > I just got Thunderbird and love it. Thanks to a friend on Skype who taught me how to organize and really get into the details of filtering and ordering emails. Darn, it has been how long since email was invented, and I seriously didn't take a look at how I did email? Whoa. Beth From amc05111 at gmail.com Mon Aug 19 18:16:55 2013 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:16:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Thunderbird problem. In-Reply-To: <5211DBD4.3030702@comcast.net> References: <5211D9F2.5000800@pcdesk.net> <5211DBD4.3030702@comcast.net> Message-ID: <52126117.9010105@gmail.com> Beth, When composing an email; make sure your cursor is at the top of the message. If not, your message shows up at the bottom of the conversation. If you press control Page up that will fix it for you. Thank you, Ashley , On 8/19/2013 4:48 AM, Beth Taurasi wrote: > On 8/19/2013 2:40 AM, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: >> If you want messages to show up with the newest first, Select the >> View Menu, then Sort By, then either Date or Order Received depending >> which you prefer. I prefer order received. Then Select View Again, >> then Sort By, and finally Descending to put the newer messages at the >> top of the list. You might also want to enable threading if you have >> all of your nabs messages in a dedicated folder. I can explain how to >> do that as well if you need that information. >> > I just got Thunderbird and love it. Thanks to a friend on Skype who > taught me how to organize and really get into the details of filtering > and ordering emails. Darn, it has been how long since email was > invented, and I seriously didn't take a look at how I did email? > Whoa. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Mon Aug 19 20:54:52 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:54:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Thunderbird problem. In-Reply-To: <52126117.9010105@gmail.com> References: <5211D9F2.5000800@pcdesk.net> <5211DBD4.3030702@comcast.net> <52126117.9010105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5212861C.6020803@comcast.net> On 8/19/2013 12:16 PM, Ashley Coleman wrote: > Beth, > When composing an email; make sure your cursor is at the top of the > message. If not, your message shows up at the bottom of the > conversation. If you press control Page up that will fix it for you. > > Thank you, > Ashley , > > > > On 8/19/2013 4:48 AM, Beth Taurasi wrote: >> On 8/19/2013 2:40 AM, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: >>> If you want messages to show up with the newest first, Select the >>> View Menu, then Sort By, then either Date or Order Received >>> depending which you prefer. I prefer order received. Then Select >>> View Again, then Sort By, and finally Descending to put the newer >>> messages at the top of the list. You might also want to enable >>> threading if you have all of your nabs messages in a dedicated >>> folder. I can explain how to do that as well if you need that >>> information. >>> >> I just got Thunderbird and love it. Thanks to a friend on Skype who >> taught me how to organize and really get into the details of >> filtering and ordering emails. Darn, it has been how long since >> email was invented, and I seriously didn't take a look at how I >> did email? Whoa. >> Beth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > > Thanks, Ashley. Guys, I absolutely enjoy using this new email client. Well, not new, but ... From devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net Mon Aug 19 22:58:18 2013 From: devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:58:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Thunderbird problem. In-Reply-To: <52126117.9010105@gmail.com> References: <5211D9F2.5000800@pcdesk.net> <5211DBD4.3030702@comcast.net> <52126117.9010105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5212A30A.7010903@pcdesk.net> Ctrl+home will fix it with even more certainty. Ctrl+home means top of message. -- Joe From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Aug 20 18:27:07 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:27:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] google plus Message-ID: <01da01ce9dd2$e0d96680$a28c3380$@gmail.com> Is google plus accessible? From kwakmiso at aol.com Wed Aug 21 00:04:24 2013 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Donating Brailled Test Practice Materials Message-ID: <8D06C192107F610-CF0-5870C@webmail-d223.sysops.aol.com> I have the following items I would like to donate for anyone who might be interested. 1. Chemistry SAT Subject test 2. PSAT Practice materials Both are in Braille and I got them from College Board. Please e-mail me off the list if you are interested. Thank you. Miso Kwak From blakentracy at live.com Wed Aug 21 00:12:39 2013 From: blakentracy at live.com (blake) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:12:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Thunderbird problem. In-Reply-To: <5212A30A.7010903@pcdesk.net> References: <5211D9F2.5000800@pcdesk.net> <5211DBD4.3030702@comcast.net> <52126117.9010105@gmail.com> <5212A30A.7010903@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: On 8/19/2013 5:58 PM, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: > Ctrl+home will fix it with even more certainty. Ctrl+home means top of > message. > This is a test run. I need to know if this is working. My messages open in a new window, and the last message in the thread when I read them are what I see in the top when I click on them. Is it possible I have to go to the bottem of the thread to make it work? It's odd. But usually when I write messages, they are in the top for me. Hmm. Just tell me if this did anything different, because I hit CTRL+Home. It just repeated where I was already at. From blakentracy at live.com Wed Aug 21 00:13:15 2013 From: blakentracy at live.com (blake) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:13:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Thunderbird problem. In-Reply-To: <5212A30A.7010903@pcdesk.net> References: <5211D9F2.5000800@pcdesk.net> <5211DBD4.3030702@comcast.net> <52126117.9010105@gmail.com> <5212A30A.7010903@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: On 8/19/2013 5:58 PM, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: > Ctrl+home will fix it with even more certainty. Ctrl+home means top of > message. > Oh. And, part of the problem is fixed. I get new emails in the top now. From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 00:31:49 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:31:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Thunderbird problem. In-Reply-To: References: <5211D9F2.5000800@pcdesk.net> <5211DBD4.3030702@comcast.net> <52126117.9010105@gmail.com> <5212A30A.7010903@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <00d501ce9e05$d3f336c0$7bd9a440$@gmail.com> Your message appeared below Joseph's. On my email, you were the second message down. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of blake Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Thunderbird problem. On 8/19/2013 5:58 PM, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: > Ctrl+home will fix it with even more certainty. Ctrl+home means top of > message. > This is a test run. I need to know if this is working. My messages open in a new window, and the last message in the thread when I read them are what I see in the top when I click on them. Is it possible I have to go to the bottem of the thread to make it work? It's odd. But usually when I write messages, they are in the top for me. Hmm. Just tell me if this did anything different, because I hit CTRL+Home. It just repeated where I was already at. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From blakentracy at live.com Wed Aug 21 00:40:23 2013 From: blakentracy at live.com (blake) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:40:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Thunderbird problem. In-Reply-To: <00d501ce9e05$d3f336c0$7bd9a440$@gmail.com> References: <5211D9F2.5000800@pcdesk.net> <5211DBD4.3030702@comcast.net> <52126117.9010105@gmail.com> <5212A30A.7010903@pcdesk.net> <00d501ce9e05$d3f336c0$7bd9a440$@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/20/2013 7:31 PM, justin williams wrote: > Your message appeared below Joseph's. On my email, you were the second > message down. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of blake > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:13 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Thunderbird problem. > > On 8/19/2013 5:58 PM, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: >> Ctrl+home will fix it with even more certainty. Ctrl+home means top of >> message. >> > This is a test run. I need to know if this is working. My messages open > in a new window, and the last message in the thread when I read them are > what I see in the top when I click on them. Is it possible I have to go to > the bottem of the thread to make it work? It's odd. But usually when I write > messages, they are in the top for me. Hmm. Just tell me if this did anything > different, because I hit CTRL+Home. It just repeated where I was already at. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%40live.com > > I think I figured this out. I must be going below the person I'm replying to. I'm not seeing the hole thread, just the person I click on, and am onlist replying to that person. If this theory is correct, this will go below Justin's. Does this mean I have to search in my inbox every time to find the first person and reply to that email? From trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 02:10:47 2013 From: trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com (Winona Brackett) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:10:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] PowerPoint Message-ID: Hello, Does anyone know how to use PowerPoint on a Windows 8 computer running JAWS14? Winona Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Wed Aug 21 05:01:52 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 01:01:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Christian songs that encourage me to Keep Going Message-ID: Hi all, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that here are two songs that encourage me to keep going. They are actually Christian songs, and I really like them a lot! The first song is called “Build Your Kingdom Here” by the band Rend Collective Experiment. And the second song is called “Possibilities” by the band Sanctus Real. These songs really have a powerful message, and the lyrics are awesome! These songs as I mention before it encourage me to keep going even though if I’m facing good or bad circumstances throughout my life. Just to let you know, these bands are actually a Christian rock bands, and they actually have a very powerful life testimony, and you should check them out! I’m actually a Christian and I believe that God created us for a purpose! Hope you like them! Also, could you guys let me know what do you think of them? Thanks! and God bless!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54twI6V-3-A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlJaIFCKQzs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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These songs really have a powerful message, and the lyrics are awesome! These songs as I mention before it encourage me to keep going even though if I’m facing good or bad circumstances throughout my life. Just to let you know, these bands are actually a Christian rock bands, and they actually have a very powerful life testimony, and you should check them out! I’m actually a Christian and I believe that God created us for a purpose! Hope you like them! Also, could you guys let me know what do you think of them? Thanks! and God bless!! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54twI6V-3-A > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlJaIFCKQzs > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 12:15:11 2013 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:15:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for the Student Spate Committee Message-ID: <5214af66.cc6eec0a.0de0.6b72@mx.google.com> Dear Student Slate Committee, My name is ROANNA Bacchus. I am trying to subscribe to the Student Slate. When I visjted Nabs web site I clicked on the link for the Student Slate. I was able to read the Winter and Summer issues for this year. I cleacked the link that said subscribe and could not figure out how to do this. Can someone please help me or subscribe me mannually? Look forward to hearing from you soon. From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 12:29:38 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:29:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] google drive Message-ID: <013301ce9e6a$1b066910$51133b30$@gmail.com> Could some one please send me the google drive link again for the short cuts? From djd76257 at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 23:14:58 2013 From: djd76257 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 19:14:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Give Me A Few Minutes Of Your Time And I'll Make Sure You're Entertained Message-ID: <70253CEA833C4B0B870B780A4F60C011@WildJasmine> If you're not busy tonight, then why not give me a few minutes of your time? You might come out of the experience feeling entertained and refreshed! The power of the human voice in all its glory strikes the Audio Access FM internet air waves at 8 PM this evening, as another edition of A Cappellas Anonymous comes your way. Hear some songs that maybe you've not heard in awhile on this show if at all. I'll also be showcasing some of the songs that helped me to get into the a cappella music that you hear on this weekly show in the first place. I'll be available for chatting during the show if you'd like. You can call me on skype at audioaccess.fm Via telephone at 516 324 2552 Via facebook chat at http://www.facebook.com/djdrocks or through twitter by using my personal twitter, which is djdrocks or the station twitter audioaccessfm And if you want to hear a song, and I can find an a cappella version of it for you, then I'l play your requuests too. So come join me between 8 and 10PM eastern on Audio Access FM by going to http://www.audioaccess.fm/listen or by putting the following into your favorite media player: http://199.180.72.17:8012 Regardless of how you tune in, I hope to see you there tonight! Enjoy! From winy_kwany at yahoo.com Thu Aug 22 18:47:02 2013 From: winy_kwany at yahoo.com (Winy Kwany) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 02:47:02 +0800 (SGT) Subject: [nabs-l] DAT-MP 3 converter-help Message-ID: <1377197222.84286.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web193005.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Hi all, Thanks a lot for your suggestions and input about video-Audio convertion software. I finally used Switch fron NCH since it's great to convert AFI-MP3. However, I still haven't found anything that can convert DAT to MP3. I try DVD-Audio extractor but it doesn't work. The files must have "Ifo" format. Help. I need to convert my DAT files to MP3 very soon. Any suggestions? Any software that is accessible with JAWS that I can use to do this? Thanks a lot. Winy. From blakentracy at live.com Fri Aug 23 12:35:35 2013 From: blakentracy at live.com (blake tracy) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:35:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Give Me A Few Minutes Of Your Time And I'll Make Sure You're Entertained In-Reply-To: <70253CEA833C4B0B870B780A4F60C011@WildJasmine> References: <70253CEA833C4B0B870B780A4F60C011@WildJasmine> Message-ID: I am curious. What is audio access and I know I slacked off checking email and just got this, But what was it you did on it yesterday? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:16 PM, "David Dunphy" wrote: > If you're not busy tonight, then why not give me a few minutes of your time? You might come out of the experience feeling entertained and refreshed! > > The power of the human voice in all its glory strikes the Audio Access FM internet air waves at 8 PM this evening, as another edition of A Cappellas Anonymous comes your way. > Hear some songs that maybe you've not heard in awhile on this show if at all. I'll also be showcasing some of the songs that helped me to get into the a cappella music that you hear on this weekly show in the first place. > > I'll be available for chatting during the show if you'd like. You can call me on skype at > audioaccess.fm > Via telephone at > 516 324 2552 > Via facebook chat at > http://www.facebook.com/djdrocks > or through twitter by using my personal twitter, which is > djdrocks > or the station twitter > audioaccessfm > > And if you want to hear a song, and I can find an a cappella version of it for you, then I'l play your requuests too. > So come join me between 8 and 10PM eastern on Audio Access FM by going to > http://www.audioaccess.fm/listen > or by putting the following into your favorite media player: > http://199.180.72.17:8012 > > Regardless of how you tune in, I hope to see you there tonight! > Enjoy! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blakentracy%40live.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 15:55:40 2013 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:55:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing Message-ID: <5217860a.c225310a.39ae.2493@mx.google.com> Hi all, I would like to know about your experiences with AP testing, specifically about AP European history. When you took the test, did you receive the same version as all of your sighted peers, or did you get a different test from a different year? If you received a different version, how were you scored compared to everyone else? If there were any problems with scoring, how did you address them? Thanks, Vejas From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 16:05:13 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:05:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing In-Reply-To: <5217860a.c225310a.39ae.2493@mx.google.com> References: <5217860a.c225310a.39ae.2493@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Vejas, I didn't take AP Euro specifically, but I took six other AP exams and all of them were structured the same. All of the exams that I took were different from my friends, but the exam was created for the year that it was administered. I don't think you should worry about scoring discrepancies because even though my tests were different, I did extremely well, better than most of my classmates actually. I remember my teachers telling me that college board creates several exams and distribute them randomly in order to cut down on cheating and stuff like that. I'm not one hundred percent sure if this is correct though. Hope this helps. Cheers, Minh On 8/23/13, Vejas wrote: > Hi all, > I would like to know about your experiences with AP testing, > specifically about AP European history. When you took the test, > did you receive the same version as all of your sighted peers, or > did you get a different test from a different year? If you > received a different version, how were you scored compared to > everyone else? If there were any problems with scoring, how did > you address them? > > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From alpineimagination at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 16:17:28 2013 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:17:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing Message-ID: <52178b26.8623310a.1f6f.2cfa@mx.google.com> Hi Minh, Thanks for the information. Were you the only one that took the modified version of the exams, or did anyone else also take it? It seems like they make a separate version specifically for Braille students. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: minh ha wrote: Hi all, I would like to know about your experiences with AP testing, specifically about AP European history. When you took the test, did you receive the same version as all of your sighted peers, or did you get a different test from a different year? If you received a different version, how were you scored compared to everyone else? If there were any problems with scoring, how did you address them? Thanks, Vejas _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40 gmail.com -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina tion%40gmail.com From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 16:40:54 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:40:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing In-Reply-To: <52178b26.8623310a.1f6f.2cfa@mx.google.com> References: <52178b26.8623310a.1f6f.2cfa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: >From what I gathered after taking the test, I don't think the same test was uniformly handed out. So no, I was not the only one that took a different test. Even if I was, I don't think it's a huge issue because as long as they score my test fairly, what does it matter. Minh On 8/23/13, Vejas wrote: > Hi Minh, > Thanks for the information. Were you the only one that took the > modified version of the exams, or did anyone else also take it? > It seems like they make a separate version specifically for > Braille students. > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: minh ha To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:05:13 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing > > Vejas, > > I didn't take AP Euro specifically, but I took six other AP exams > and > all of them were structured the same. All of the exams that I > took > were different from my friends, but the exam was created for the > year > that it was administered. I don't think you should worry about > scoring > discrepancies because even though my tests were different, I did > extremely well, better than most of my classmates actually. I > remember > my teachers telling me that college board creates several exams > and > distribute them randomly in order to cut down on cheating and > stuff > like that. I'm not one hundred percent sure if this is correct > though. > Hope this helps. > > Cheers, > Minh > > On 8/23/13, Vejas wrote: > Hi all, > I would like to know about your experiences with AP testing, > specifically about AP European history. When you took the test, > did you receive the same version as all of your sighted peers, > or > did you get a different test from a different year? If you > received a different version, how were you scored compared to > everyone else? If there were any problems with scoring, how did > you address them? > > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40 > gmail.com > > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the > dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was > vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act > on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. > Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 23 17:34:21 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:34:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing In-Reply-To: <5217860a.c225310a.39ae.2493@mx.google.com> References: <5217860a.c225310a.39ae.2493@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, I took the AP US History test. I received the same test and year as everyone and was graded the same way. I did, however, have a large print test and answering sheet. I got extended time as well. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey On Aug 23, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Vejas wrote: > Hi all, > I would like to know about your experiences with AP testing, specifically about AP European history. When you took the test, did you receive the same version as all of your sighted peers, or did you get a different test from a different year? If you received a different version, how were you scored compared to everyone else? If there were any problems with scoring, how did you address them? > > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From haleysumner at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 23 18:40:30 2013 From: haleysumner at sbcglobal.net (Haley Sumner) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:40:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing In-Reply-To: References: <5217860a.c225310a.39ae.2493@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hey all. I took the AP economics test and was scored the same way. I received the same test as my sighted peers. I will say it was difficult though. Lol Haley Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Hello, I took the AP US History test. I received the same test and year as everyone and was graded the same way. I did, however, have a large print test and answering sheet. I got extended time as well. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > > On Aug 23, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Vejas wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I would like to know about your experiences with AP testing, specifically about AP European history. When you took the test, did you receive the same version as all of your sighted peers, or did you get a different test from a different year? If you received a different version, how were you scored compared to everyone else? If there were any problems with scoring, how did you address them? >> >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Aug 23 18:43:28 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 18:43:28 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing In-Reply-To: References: <5217860a.c225310a.39ae.2493@mx.google.com> , Message-ID: Hi Haley! First of all, welcome to the list! I never took any AP classes in high school, because my instructors discouraged it, plus my grades weren't good enough. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Haley Sumner [haleysumner at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 1:40 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing Hey all. I took the AP economics test and was scored the same way. I received the same test as my sighted peers. I will say it was difficult though. Lol Haley Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Hello, I took the AP US History test. I received the same test and year as everyone and was graded the same way. I did, however, have a large print test and answering sheet. I got extended time as well. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > > On Aug 23, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Vejas wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I would like to know about your experiences with AP testing, specifically about AP European history. When you took the test, did you receive the same version as all of your sighted peers, or did you get a different test from a different year? If you received a different version, how were you scored compared to everyone else? If there were any problems with scoring, how did you address them? >> >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From emilypennington at fuse.net Fri Aug 23 18:45:50 2013 From: emilypennington at fuse.net (Emily Pennington) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:45:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing In-Reply-To: References: <5217860a.c225310a.39ae.2493@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, I noticed that, at least with the AP tests I took my senior year, I got the makeup additions from the previous year. I received them in Braille, and I got extended time. Additionally, regarding the AP Euro test, I know my sighted peers had to answer some questions related to maps, or even questions regarding pictures of architecture styles from different eras. Those questions were taken out of my test, and they didn't count against me. I didn't discover that until test day, but that's how it was. Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haley Sumner" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Cc: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing > Hey all. > I took the AP economics test and was scored the same way. I received the > same test as my sighted peers. I will say it was difficult though. Lol > Haley > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 23, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > >> Hello, I took the AP US History test. I received the same test and year >> as everyone and was graded the same way. I did, however, have a large >> print test and answering sheet. I got extended time as well. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >> On Aug 23, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Vejas wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I would like to know about your experiences with AP testing, >>> specifically about AP European history. When you took the test, did you >>> receive the same version as all of your sighted peers, or did you get a >>> different test from a different year? If you received a different >>> version, how were you scored compared to everyone else? If there were >>> any problems with scoring, how did you address them? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 21:30:19 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:30:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: New Android App & Parent Ally Services In-Reply-To: <1114525890176.1101553811939.166919.6.561640A5@scheduler.constantcontact.com> References: <1114525890176.1101553811939.166919.6.561640A5@scheduler.constantcontact.com> Message-ID: <000301cea047$f85b7ab0$e9127010$@gmail.com> FYI: Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair Public Relations Committee Maryland Association of Blind Students Phone: (443) 547-2409 From: Learning Ally [mailto:jenny at www-rfbd.ccsend.com] On Behalf Of Learning Ally Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:44 PM To: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Subject: New Android App & Parent Ally Services Having trouble viewing this email? 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And actually somebody send me a link in how to instal the BrailleNote Apex in order to use it as a Braille display, and when I open the link it took me to the Humanware support page, and while I was reading, it said that in order to use the Braille display, I need to install the JAWS driver in order to connect it. Actually, all this process confuses me a lot, and I really don’t know how to install the JAWS driver either! Just to let you know, I used to have another laptop before, but somebody did all this process for me. And to tell you the truth, I’m not a person who knows about computers very well, and that’s the reason why it’s very difficult for me to do all this process by myself. Could some of you helpe me connect my BrailleNote into my laptope computer, and show me how to do all this process, in order for me to use it as a Braille display, so that I could use it in order to do my college class assignments? I will really appreciate it! a lot! 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And actually somebody send me a link in how to instal the BrailleNote Apex in order to use it as a Braille display, and when I open the link it took me to the Humanware support page, and while I was reading, it said that in order to use the Braille display, I need to install the JAWS driver in order to connect it. Actually, all this process confuses me a lot, and I really don’t know how to install the JAWS driver either! Just to let you know, I used to have another laptop before, but somebody did all this process for me. And to tell you the truth, I’m not a person who knows about computers very well, and that’s the reason why it’s very difficult for me to do all this process by myself. Could some of you helpe me connect my BrailleNote into my laptope computer, and show me how to do all this process, in order for me to use it as a Braille display, so that I could use it in order to do my college class assignments? I will really appreciate it! a lot! Thanks and God bless! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 24 09:11:32 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 09:11:32 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Using The BrailleNote as a Braille Display In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: you just take the display off of the Braille Note, and put it on the lap top. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Helga Schreiber [helga.schreiber at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:35 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Using The BrailleNote as a Braille Display Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "Helga Schreiber" > Date: August 23, 2013, 10:15:14 PM EDT > To: "National Association of Blind Students" > Subject: [nabs-l] Using The BrailleNote as a Braille Display > Reply-To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Hi all, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, does some of you use the BrailleNote Apex as a Braille display in your laptop computer? I have recently bought a new laptop, but I really don’t know how to connect my BrailleNote Apex in order to use it as a Braille display. And actually somebody send me a link in how to instal the BrailleNote Apex in order to use it as a Braille display, and when I open the link it took me to the Humanware support page, and while I was reading, it said that in order to use the Braille display, I need to install the JAWS driver in order to connect it. Actually, all this process confuses me a lot, and I really don’t know how to install the JAWS driver either! Just to let you know, I used to have another laptop before, but somebody did all this process for me. And to tell you the truth, I’m not a person who knows about computers very well, and that’s the reason why it’s very difficult for me to do all this process by myself. Could some of you helpe me connect my BrailleNote into my laptope computer, and show me how to do all this process, in order for me to use it as a Braille display, so that I could use it in order to do my college class assignments? I will really appreciate it! a lot! Thanks and God bless! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 14:16:20 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:16:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and foreign languages Message-ID: Dear all, I just started French class and had a few questions about using French with JAWS. Really, it's two questions. The first is: How do I type accents that aren't in the Insert + F4 list, such as grave accent and the one with the ^ over the letter? With Insert + F4, I can type the more common ones, such as é or ç, but it doesn't have the grave accent (the accent that goes in a negative slope instead of a positive one) and the ^ accent. Does anyone know what keystrokes will bring up those accents or if there is a way to add them to the list for Insert + F4? My second question is about the French JAWS voice. My disability service office is really awesome and has gone through the French textbook and all of the handouts and set the French words to be read with the French voice. However, I have a problem with the speed of the French voice. I have the JAWS voice set to somewhere around 40, but that's much too fast for a beginning French student! Is there a way to set just the speed of a language so that the French voice speaks slower than the English voice, or do I have to just go and change the verbocity each time I open a French document? So, hopefully someone who has taken foreign language classes can answer these questions! I'm already enjoying French class, and got a 96 on my first quiz. ~Jewel P.S.- Welcome back to school, everyone! From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 14:27:01 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:27:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Internship Opportunities for a future TVI Message-ID: Dear all, I am starting to look into internship opportunities for next summer. My major is Special Euon, and I plan on going on to get my Master's in Special Education of the Blind, to become a TVI specializing in Braille and access technology, s I realy want a relevant internship. The past three years, I have helped in some fashion (this year, it was just as a field trip coordinator since I went to guide dog school while the retreat was happening) with a college transition retreat for blind and low vision students. I have really loved the experience and hope to be a Senior Group Leader for next summer's retreat. However, I am looking for other opportunities. The ones I have thought of are: *DSS at one of the local universities *Summer program at an NFB training center *Technology center at NFB Headquarters in Baltimore *Summer program at Governor Moorehead School for the Blind (Raleigh, NC) I'm not sure how to go about inquiring and applying for internships, so would like any advice on that. I also would be grateful for any other suggestions of places to apply as an intern. I understand that it is like applying for a job: the more you apply, the more likely you'll get a position. So, any advice or suggestions? ~Jewel From kwakmiso at aol.com Sat Aug 24 16:04:19 2013 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D06EFAB99918AE-1728-8510@webmail-d211.sysops.aol.com> I have taken AP European History exam in 2011. My test was in Braille and had different questions compared to my classmates' at school. As Emily mentioned some of questions were taken out of the test. If I remember correctly, in the beginning of the test booklet or on the proctor's manual, it states that the elimination of some questions won't be neither advantage nor disadvantage. I received my scores later than my classmates but I believe the test was scored fairly. A funny thing about my AP Euro exam, however, was that my score got modified 2 years later. I did not request anything. A mail just randomly came stating that the College Board found a mistake on grading my multiple choice portion and as a result my score has been changed. I have not gone through this process myself, but I know that you can ask College Board to re-score your multiple choice. I believe it costs a fee though. According to a friend of mine, they will not re-score your frq. Just multiple choice. Best regards Miso Kwak -----Original Message----- From: Emily Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:46 am Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing Hi, I noticed that, at least with the AP tests I took my senior year, I got the makeup additions from the previous year. I received them in Braille, and I got extended time. Additionally, regarding the AP Euro test, I know my sighted peers had to answer some questions related to maps, or even questions regarding pictures of architecture styles from different eras. Those questions were taken out of my test, and they didn't count against me. I didn't discover that until test day, but that's how it was. Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haley Sumner" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Cc: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing > Hey all. > I took the AP economics test and was scored the same way. I received the > same test as my sighted peers. I will say it was difficult though. Lol > Haley > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 23, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > >> Hello, I took the AP US History test. I received the same test and year >> as everyone and was graded the same way. I did, however, have a large >> print test and answering sheet. I got extended time as well. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >> On Aug 23, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Vejas wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I would like to know about your experiences with AP testing, >>> specifically about AP European history. When you took the test, did you >>> receive the same version as all of your sighted peers, or did you get a >>> different test from a different year? If you received a different >>> version, how were you scored compared to everyone else? If there were >>> any problems with scoring, how did you address them? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com From emilypennington at fuse.net Sat Aug 24 16:08:15 2013 From: emilypennington at fuse.net (Emily Pennington) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:08:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing In-Reply-To: <8D06EFAB99918AE-1728-8510@webmail-d211.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D06EFAB99918AE-1728-8510@webmail-d211.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Funny you mention the rescoring, Miso; two years after I took the test in 2011, I also got a letter saying the same thing. Now, I just keep hoping I won't get a letter next year about Calculus, saying that I really didn't get a 5. LOL. Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miso Kwak" To: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing >I have taken AP European History exam in 2011. > My test was in Braille and had different questions compared to my > classmates' at school. > As Emily mentioned some of questions were taken out of the test. If I > remember correctly, in the beginning of the test booklet or on the > proctor's manual, it states that the elimination of some questions won't > be neither advantage nor disadvantage. > I received my scores later than my classmates but I believe the test was > scored fairly. > A funny thing about my AP Euro exam, however, was that my score got > modified 2 years later. > I did not request anything. A mail just randomly came stating that the > College Board found a mistake on grading my multiple choice portion and as > a result my score has been changed. > I have not gone through this process myself, but I know that you can ask > College Board to re-score your multiple choice. I believe it costs a fee > though. > According to a friend of mine, they will not re-score your frq. Just > multiple choice. > Best regards > Miso Kwak > > -----Original Message----- > From: Emily Pennington > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:46 am > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing > > Hi, > I noticed that, at least with the AP tests I took my senior year, I got > the > makeup additions from the previous year. I received them in Braille, and I > got extended time. > Additionally, regarding the AP Euro test, I know my sighted peers had > to > answer some questions related to maps, or even questions regarding > pictures > of architecture styles from different eras. Those questions were taken out > of my test, and they didn't count against me. I didn't discover that until > test day, but that's how it was. > > Emily > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Haley Sumner" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Cc: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing > > >> Hey all. >> I took the AP economics test and was scored the same way. I received > the >> same test as my sighted peers. I will say it was difficult though. Lol >> Haley >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 23, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Bobbi Pompey > wrote: >> >>> Hello, I took the AP US History test. I received the same test and > year >>> as everyone and was graded the same way. I did, however, have a > large >>> print test and answering sheet. I got extended time as well. >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>> On Aug 23, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Vejas > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I would like to know about your experiences with AP testing, >>>> specifically about AP European history. When you took the test, > did you >>>> receive the same version as all of your sighted peers, or did you > get a >>>> different test from a different year? If you received a different >>>> version, how were you scored compared to everyone else? If there > were >>>> any problems with scoring, how did you address them? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Vejas >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net > From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 16:41:40 2013 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel and Stockard) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:41:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and foreign languages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3CC58392-7785-42D0-8A2F-9383BCD66252@gmail.com> Hey Jules. I majored in French in college and will have my degree in it come December, when I officially get my diploma. I've used both JAWS and voiceover in French and can help you out. If you wanna email me off list I can help you set up a French keyboard, and generally I can help you with anything related to French. My email is laurel.stockard at gmail.com Seriously, I'm happy to help you out in any way that I can. :-) Laurel On Aug 24, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Jewel wrote: > Dear all, > I just started French class and had a few questions about using > French with JAWS. Really, it's two questions. The first is: How do I > type accents that aren't in the Insert + F4 list, such as grave accent > and the one with the ^ over the letter? With Insert + F4, I can type > the more common ones, such as é or ç, but it doesn't have the grave > accent (the accent that goes in a negative slope instead of a positive > one) and the ^ accent. Does anyone know what keystrokes will bring up > those accents or if there is a way to add them to the list for Insert > + F4? > My second question is about the French JAWS voice. My disability > service office is really awesome and has gone through the French > textbook and all of the handouts and set the French words to be read > with the French voice. However, I have a problem with the speed of the > French voice. I have the JAWS voice set to somewhere around 40, but > that's much too fast for a beginning French student! Is there a way to > set just the speed of a language so that the French voice speaks > slower than the English voice, or do I have to just go and change the > verbocity each time I open a French document? > So, hopefully someone who has taken foreign language classes can > answer these questions! I'm already enjoying French class, and got a > 96 on my first quiz. > ~Jewel > P.S.- Welcome back to school, everyone! > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 16:59:33 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:59:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and foreign languages In-Reply-To: <3CC58392-7785-42D0-8A2F-9383BCD66252@gmail.com> References: <3CC58392-7785-42D0-8A2F-9383BCD66252@gmail.com> Message-ID: <950A1A57-F3FF-4672-923E-4D11546305C4@gmail.com> Hey Laurel, can u answer these questions on the list? I, and a couple others, have been wondering about JAWS and foreign language. If u could answer these questions on here that would be helpful to me, and then whatever other french stuff you guys want to discuss, u can do it off-list. Would u mind? Anna E Givens On Aug 24, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Laurel and Stockard wrote: > Hey Jules. I majored in French in college and will have my degree in it come December, when I officially get my diploma. I've used both JAWS and voiceover in French and can help you out. If you wanna email me off list I can help you set up a French keyboard, and generally I can help you with anything related to French. My email is laurel.stockard at gmail.com > Seriously, I'm happy to help you out in any way that I can. :-) > Laurel > On Aug 24, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Jewel wrote: > >> Dear all, >> I just started French class and had a few questions about using >> French with JAWS. Really, it's two questions. The first is: How do I >> type accents that aren't in the Insert + F4 list, such as grave accent >> and the one with the ^ over the letter? With Insert + F4, I can type >> the more common ones, such as é or ç, but it doesn't have the grave >> accent (the accent that goes in a negative slope instead of a positive >> one) and the ^ accent. Does anyone know what keystrokes will bring up >> those accents or if there is a way to add them to the list for Insert >> + F4? >> My second question is about the French JAWS voice. My disability >> service office is really awesome and has gone through the French >> textbook and all of the handouts and set the French words to be read >> with the French voice. However, I have a problem with the speed of the >> French voice. I have the JAWS voice set to somewhere around 40, but >> that's much too fast for a beginning French student! Is there a way to >> set just the speed of a language so that the French voice speaks >> slower than the English voice, or do I have to just go and change the >> verbocity each time I open a French document? >> So, hopefully someone who has taken foreign language classes can >> answer these questions! I'm already enjoying French class, and got a >> 96 on my first quiz. >> ~Jewel >> P.S.- Welcome back to school, everyone! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 17:12:16 2013 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel and Stockard) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:12:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and foreign languages In-Reply-To: <950A1A57-F3FF-4672-923E-4D11546305C4@gmail.com> References: <3CC58392-7785-42D0-8A2F-9383BCD66252@gmail.com> <950A1A57-F3FF-4672-923E-4D11546305C4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sure! A lot of things depend on the language that you need. I study over 6 languages, and there's a variety of solutions for each. I'll cover some of the more common ones, but if y'all ever need help with a specific language, or more language questions then we wanna cover on list, please feel free to write me off list at laurel.stockard at gmail.com French: JAWS has a French voice. Also, you can download a Realspeak Solo Direct French voice that works with JAWS. A link to this voice can be found on freedom scientific's website. Rather than trying to type in the French accents via commands with the function keys, it's easier to get a French keyboard. This is easier than you think and free. Your computer already has multiple language keyboards on it, but by default, the only one selected is U.S. English, or whatever your computer's language is set to. PC users can go to the control panel, language and region or something similar to this, and find a language keyboard option. If it's not under language and region (or a similar phrase) on your computer it'll be under keyboards and language and keyboards. You simply check the check box next to your desired language (French, Spanish, etc) and then you can switch between keyboards. With JAWS, switching between keyboards is usually done with alt plus shift. I only switch to the French keyboard when I need a letter with an accent. spanish: There is a Castillian and South American JAWS spanish voice, and also a real speak solo voice found on freedom scientific's website that you can download. You can set up a secondary language keyboard that you can switch back and forth to just like you can for the French. I will not that if you're using the mac and voiceover, your language keyboard options will be found under preferences, and then keyboards. On an iPhone and iPad you can change the voiceover language under the voiceover settings if you activate and use the language roter, and the keyboard can be added or changed under keyboards under settings. The mac/apple products are for another post someday, but if you have both a PC and apple products you'll find this helpful. These same language principles work for Italian, Portuguese, German and the other common JAWS installed languages. If you want Arabic, Chinese, Russian or something different, it's a little harder, but still possible. No matter what language, you still change the keyboard so you can go between English and your language of choice the same way, so I'll only talk about the voices for now. Russian and Chinese: you're best bet is to download a real speak solo direct voice from freedom scientific. They have other languages too, about 20 of them. Arabic and other languages not available in real speak or jaws, your best bet is an apple product with voiceover. I primarily use voiceover now instead of jaws because I work with about 6 languages a day, but if you're wanting to stick with JAWS and use 2 or 3 languages per day, you should be fine. Like I said, if anybody wants to contact me further about specific language help, please feel free. Hope this answered some of y'all's questions, sorry it's long. :-) Laurel On Aug 24, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Anna Givens wrote: > Hey Laurel, can u answer these questions on the list? I, and a couple others, have been wondering about JAWS and foreign language. If u could answer these questions on here that would be helpful to me, and then whatever other french stuff you guys want to discuss, u can do it off-list. Would u mind? > > Anna E Givens > > On Aug 24, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Laurel and Stockard wrote: > >> Hey Jules. I majored in French in college and will have my degree in it come December, when I officially get my diploma. I've used both JAWS and voiceover in French and can help you out. If you wanna email me off list I can help you set up a French keyboard, and generally I can help you with anything related to French. My email is laurel.stockard at gmail.com >> Seriously, I'm happy to help you out in any way that I can. :-) >> Laurel >> On Aug 24, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Jewel wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> I just started French class and had a few questions about using >>> French with JAWS. Really, it's two questions. The first is: How do I >>> type accents that aren't in the Insert + F4 list, such as grave accent >>> and the one with the ^ over the letter? With Insert + F4, I can type >>> the more common ones, such as é or ç, but it doesn't have the grave >>> accent (the accent that goes in a negative slope instead of a positive >>> one) and the ^ accent. Does anyone know what keystrokes will bring up >>> those accents or if there is a way to add them to the list for Insert >>> + F4? >>> My second question is about the French JAWS voice. My disability >>> service office is really awesome and has gone through the French >>> textbook and all of the handouts and set the French words to be read >>> with the French voice. However, I have a problem with the speed of the >>> French voice. I have the JAWS voice set to somewhere around 40, but >>> that's much too fast for a beginning French student! Is there a way to >>> set just the speed of a language so that the French voice speaks >>> slower than the English voice, or do I have to just go and change the >>> verbocity each time I open a French document? >>> So, hopefully someone who has taken foreign language classes can >>> answer these questions! I'm already enjoying French class, and got a >>> 96 on my first quiz. >>> ~Jewel >>> P.S.- Welcome back to school, everyone! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 17:13:43 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:13:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and foreign languages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56002B49-499B-44BF-97EF-EFDA86579298@gmail.com> Hi Jewel, I took spanish in college and ran into some of the same issues. Your french department should have instructions for setting up an international keyboard on your computer. This will allow you to type accented characters by pressing an extra key with the letter, such as the right alt key before a vowel to create one kind of accent on it. I do not recall specific key combinations for the different accents etc, but when you set up the international keyboard you should be able to find a list of key combinations. Also, I was not able to find a way to set a slower speed for the Spanish voice in JAWS and so had to slow the speech down every time I changed languages. You can set up profiles with Voiceover to do this on a mac however. I am learning Russian and have a profile set up for the Russian voice that also slows the rate way down when I switch to that profile. I can also switch profiles with a keystroke. JAWS may have added this feature in the past few years though. It has been a while since I tried to use JAWS for foreign languages. Hope this helps. -Greg On Aug 24, 2013, at 10:16 AM, Jewel wrote: > Dear all, > I just started French class and had a few questions about using > French with JAWS. Really, it's two questions. The first is: How do I > type accents that aren't in the Insert + F4 list, such as grave accent > and the one with the ^ over the letter? With Insert + F4, I can type > the more common ones, such as é or ç, but it doesn't have the grave > accent (the accent that goes in a negative slope instead of a positive > one) and the ^ accent. Does anyone know what keystrokes will bring up > those accents or if there is a way to add them to the list for Insert > + F4? > My second question is about the French JAWS voice. My disability > service office is really awesome and has gone through the French > textbook and all of the handouts and set the French words to be read > with the French voice. However, I have a problem with the speed of the > French voice. I have the JAWS voice set to somewhere around 40, but > that's much too fast for a beginning French student! Is there a way to > set just the speed of a language so that the French voice speaks > slower than the English voice, or do I have to just go and change the > verbocity each time I open a French document? > So, hopefully someone who has taken foreign language classes can > answer these questions! I'm already enjoying French class, and got a > 96 on my first quiz. > ~Jewel > P.S.- Welcome back to school, everyone! > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 17:15:53 2013 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel and Stockard) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:15:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and foreign languages In-Reply-To: <56002B49-499B-44BF-97EF-EFDA86579298@gmail.com> References: <56002B49-499B-44BF-97EF-EFDA86579298@gmail.com> Message-ID: <863DB45B-254A-4C3E-9C1F-0C818DBDED89@gmail.com> Hey Greg, if you download for free a real speak solo direct voice, this is easier because you can just slow jaws down for that voice and it won't screw anything else up. Hope that helps Laurel On Aug 24, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Greg Aikens wrote: > Hi Jewel, > I took spanish in college and ran into some of the same issues. Your french department should have instructions for setting up an international keyboard on your computer. This will allow you to type accented characters by pressing an extra key with the letter, such as the right alt key before a vowel to create one kind of accent on it. I do not recall specific key combinations for the different accents etc, but when you set up the international keyboard you should be able to find a list of key combinations. > > Also, I was not able to find a way to set a slower speed for the Spanish voice in JAWS and so had to slow the speech down every time I changed languages. You can set up profiles with Voiceover to do this on a mac however. I am learning Russian and have a profile set up for the Russian voice that also slows the rate way down when I switch to that profile. I can also switch profiles with a keystroke. JAWS may have added this feature in the past few years though. It has been a while since I tried to use JAWS for foreign languages. > > Hope this helps. > > -Greg > > On Aug 24, 2013, at 10:16 AM, Jewel wrote: > >> Dear all, >> I just started French class and had a few questions about using >> French with JAWS. Really, it's two questions. The first is: How do I >> type accents that aren't in the Insert + F4 list, such as grave accent >> and the one with the ^ over the letter? With Insert + F4, I can type >> the more common ones, such as é or ç, but it doesn't have the grave >> accent (the accent that goes in a negative slope instead of a positive >> one) and the ^ accent. Does anyone know what keystrokes will bring up >> those accents or if there is a way to add them to the list for Insert >> + F4? >> My second question is about the French JAWS voice. My disability >> service office is really awesome and has gone through the French >> textbook and all of the handouts and set the French words to be read >> with the French voice. However, I have a problem with the speed of the >> French voice. I have the JAWS voice set to somewhere around 40, but >> that's much too fast for a beginning French student! Is there a way to >> set just the speed of a language so that the French voice speaks >> slower than the English voice, or do I have to just go and change the >> verbocity each time I open a French document? >> So, hopefully someone who has taken foreign language classes can >> answer these questions! I'm already enjoying French class, and got a >> 96 on my first quiz. >> ~Jewel >> P.S.- Welcome back to school, everyone! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 19:54:58 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:54:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing In-Reply-To: References: <8D06EFAB99918AE-1728-8510@webmail-d211.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I don't think they intentionally give Braille students a different test, but they will often give a Braille copy of the test from a previous year, I guess because they don't have time to get the current year's test transcribed. I would think that by 2013 the Braille-embossing technology would be good enough to keep this from still happening, but apparently it does. I know that Braille AP scores often come out later than they do for sighted students and I'm not sure why that is the case. It's not a problem for juniors, but could be for seniors going directly into college who need the AP credits to appear on their transcripts prior to registration. I experienced problems with class registration myself because my AP English credits were applied about a month later than everyone else's. I understand folks in the NFB's education department have been trying to address this important issue with the College Board. If you experience problems registering for college because your AP scores were delayed, you should let someone at NFB's national office know about it. Best, Arielle On 8/24/13, Emily Pennington wrote: > Funny you mention the rescoring, Miso; two years after I took the test in > 2011, I also got a letter saying the same thing. Now, I just keep hoping I > won't get a letter next year about Calculus, saying that I really didn't get > > a 5. LOL. > > Emily > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miso Kwak" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing > > >>I have taken AP European History exam in 2011. >> My test was in Braille and had different questions compared to my >> classmates' at school. >> As Emily mentioned some of questions were taken out of the test. If I >> remember correctly, in the beginning of the test booklet or on the >> proctor's manual, it states that the elimination of some questions won't >> be neither advantage nor disadvantage. >> I received my scores later than my classmates but I believe the test was >> scored fairly. >> A funny thing about my AP Euro exam, however, was that my score got >> modified 2 years later. >> I did not request anything. A mail just randomly came stating that the >> College Board found a mistake on grading my multiple choice portion and as >> >> a result my score has been changed. >> I have not gone through this process myself, but I know that you can ask >> College Board to re-score your multiple choice. I believe it costs a fee >> though. >> According to a friend of mine, they will not re-score your frq. Just >> multiple choice. >> Best regards >> Miso Kwak >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Emily Pennington >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:46 am >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing >> >> Hi, >> I noticed that, at least with the AP tests I took my senior year, I got >> the >> makeup additions from the previous year. I received them in Braille, and >> I >> got extended time. >> Additionally, regarding the AP Euro test, I know my sighted peers had >> to >> answer some questions related to maps, or even questions regarding >> pictures >> of architecture styles from different eras. Those questions were taken >> out >> of my test, and they didn't count against me. I didn't discover that >> until >> test day, but that's how it was. >> >> Emily >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Haley Sumner" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Cc: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing >> >> >>> Hey all. >>> I took the AP economics test and was scored the same way. I received >> the >>> same test as my sighted peers. I will say it was difficult though. Lol >>> Haley >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 23, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Bobbi Pompey >> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, I took the AP US History test. I received the same test and >> year >>>> as everyone and was graded the same way. I did, however, have a >> large >>>> print test and answering sheet. I got extended time as well. >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> >>>> On Aug 23, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Vejas >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I would like to know about your experiences with AP testing, >>>>> specifically about AP European history. When you took the test, >> did you >>>>> receive the same version as all of your sighted peers, or did you >> get a >>>>> different test from a different year? If you received a different >>>>> version, how were you scored compared to everyone else? If there >> were >>>>> any problems with scoring, how did you address them? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Vejas >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 21:08:53 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:08:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing In-Reply-To: References: <8D06EFAB99918AE-1728-8510@webmail-d211.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I'm really surprised a lot of people's scores arrived later than sighted students. I always got mine around the same time as everybody else, if not sooner. Minh On 8/24/13, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't think they intentionally give Braille students a different > test, but they will often give a Braille copy of the test from a > previous year, I guess because they don't have time to get the current > year's test transcribed. I would think that by 2013 the > Braille-embossing technology would be good enough to keep this from > still happening, but apparently it does. > I know that Braille AP scores often come out later than they do for > sighted students and I'm not sure why that is the case. It's not a > problem for juniors, but could be for seniors going directly into > college who need the AP credits to appear on their transcripts prior > to registration. I experienced problems with class registration myself > because my AP English credits were applied about a month later than > everyone else's. I understand folks in the NFB's education department > have been trying to address this important issue with the College > Board. If you experience problems registering for college because your > AP scores were delayed, you should let someone at NFB's national > office know about it. > > Best, > Arielle > > On 8/24/13, Emily Pennington wrote: >> Funny you mention the rescoring, Miso; two years after I took the test in >> 2011, I also got a letter saying the same thing. Now, I just keep hoping >> I >> won't get a letter next year about Calculus, saying that I really didn't >> get >> >> a 5. LOL. >> >> Emily >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Miso Kwak" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing >> >> >>>I have taken AP European History exam in 2011. >>> My test was in Braille and had different questions compared to my >>> classmates' at school. >>> As Emily mentioned some of questions were taken out of the test. If I >>> remember correctly, in the beginning of the test booklet or on the >>> proctor's manual, it states that the elimination of some questions won't >>> be neither advantage nor disadvantage. >>> I received my scores later than my classmates but I believe the test was >>> scored fairly. >>> A funny thing about my AP Euro exam, however, was that my score got >>> modified 2 years later. >>> I did not request anything. A mail just randomly came stating that the >>> College Board found a mistake on grading my multiple choice portion and >>> as >>> >>> a result my score has been changed. >>> I have not gone through this process myself, but I know that you can ask >>> College Board to re-score your multiple choice. I believe it costs a fee >>> though. >>> According to a friend of mine, they will not re-score your frq. Just >>> multiple choice. >>> Best regards >>> Miso Kwak >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Emily Pennington >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:46 am >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing >>> >>> Hi, >>> I noticed that, at least with the AP tests I took my senior year, I got >>> the >>> makeup additions from the previous year. I received them in Braille, and >>> I >>> got extended time. >>> Additionally, regarding the AP Euro test, I know my sighted peers had >>> to >>> answer some questions related to maps, or even questions regarding >>> pictures >>> of architecture styles from different eras. Those questions were taken >>> out >>> of my test, and they didn't count against me. I didn't discover that >>> until >>> test day, but that's how it was. >>> >>> Emily >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Haley Sumner" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Cc: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:40 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing >>> >>> >>>> Hey all. >>>> I took the AP economics test and was scored the same way. I received >>> the >>>> same test as my sighted peers. I will say it was difficult though. Lol >>>> Haley >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 23, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Bobbi Pompey >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, I took the AP US History test. I received the same test and >>> year >>>>> as everyone and was graded the same way. I did, however, have a >>> large >>>>> print test and answering sheet. I got extended time as well. >>>>> >>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 23, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Vejas >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I would like to know about your experiences with AP testing, >>>>>> specifically about AP European history. When you took the test, >>> did you >>>>>> receive the same version as all of your sighted peers, or did you >>> get a >>>>>> different test from a different year? If you received a different >>>>>> version, how were you scored compared to everyone else? If there >>> were >>>>>> any problems with scoring, how did you address them? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Vejas >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From kwakmiso at aol.com Sat Aug 24 21:21:21 2013 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:21:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing Message-ID: I believe the problem with test scores delay should decrease as College Board is now reporting the AP scores via website only starting from this year. Typically the scores are available from early July. My scores usually came by the late July or early August. -----Original Message----- From: minh ha Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing I'm really surprised a lot of people's scores arrived later than sighted students. I always got mine around the same time as everybody else, if not sooner. Minh On 8/24/13, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't think they intentionally give Braille students a different > test, but they will often give a Braille copy of the test from a > previous year, I guess because they don't have time to get the current > year's test transcribed. I would think that by 2013 the > Braille-embossing technology would be good enough to keep this from > still happening, but apparently it does. > I know that Braille AP scores often come out later than they do for > sighted students and I'm not sure why that is the case. It's not a > problem for juniors, but could be for seniors going directly into > college who need the AP credits to appear on their transcripts prior > to registration. I experienced problems with class registration myself > because my AP English credits were applied about a month later than > everyone else's. I understand folks in the NFB's education department > have been trying to address this important issue with the College > Board. If you experience problems registering for college because your > AP scores were delayed, you should let someone at NFB's national > office know about it. > > Best, > Arielle > > On 8/24/13, Emily Pennington wrote: >> Funny you mention the rescoring, Miso; two years after I took the test in >> 2011, I also got a letter saying the same thing. Now, I just keep hoping >> I >> won't get a letter next year about Calculus, saying that I really didn't >> get >> >> a 5. LOL. >> >> Emily >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Miso Kwak" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing >> >> >>>I have taken AP European History exam in 2011. >>> My test was in Braille and had different questions compared to my >>> classmates' at school. >>> As Emily mentioned some of questions were taken out of the test. If I >>> remember correctly, in the beginning of the test booklet or on the >>> proctor's manual, it states that the elimination of some questions won't >>> be neither advantage nor disadvantage. >>> I received my scores later than my classmates but I believe the test was >>> scored fairly. >>> A funny thing about my AP Euro exam, however, was that my score got >>> modified 2 years later. >>> I did not request anything. A mail just randomly came stating that the >>> College Board found a mistake on grading my multiple choice portion and >>> as >>> >>> a result my score has been changed. >>> I have not gone through this process myself, but I know that you can ask >>> College Board to re-score your multiple choice. I believe it costs a fee >>> though. >>> According to a friend of mine, they will not re-score your frq. Just >>> multiple choice. >>> Best regards >>> Miso Kwak >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Emily Pennington >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:46 am >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing >>> >>> Hi, >>> I noticed that, at least with the AP tests I took my senior year, I got >>> the >>> makeup additions from the previous year. I received them in Braille, and >>> I >>> got extended time. >>> Additionally, regarding the AP Euro test, I know my sighted peers had >>> to >>> answer some questions related to maps, or even questions regarding >>> pictures >>> of architecture styles from different eras. Those questions were taken >>> out >>> of my test, and they didn't count against me. I didn't discover that >>> until >>> test day, but that's how it was. >>> >>> Emily >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Haley Sumner" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Cc: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:40 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about AP testing >>> >>> >>>> Hey all. >>>> I took the AP economics test and was scored the same way. I received >>> the >>>> same test as my sighted peers. I will say it was difficult though. Lol >>>> Haley >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 23, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Bobbi Pompey >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, I took the AP US History test. I received the same test and >>> year >>>>> as everyone and was graded the same way. I did, however, have a >>> large >>>>> print test and answering sheet. I got extended time as well. >>>>> >>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 23, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Vejas >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I would like to know about your experiences with AP testing, >>>>>> specifically about AP European history. When you took the test, >>> did you >>>>>> receive the same version as all of your sighted peers, or did you >>> get a >>>>>> different test from a different year? If you received a different >>>>>> version, how were you scored compared to everyone else? If there >>> were >>>>>> any problems with scoring, how did you address them? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Vejas >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com From weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 21:29:40 2013 From: weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com (The weird writer) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:29:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Netflix says do not expect AD or accessibility anytime soon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <521925C4.9010605@gmail.com> ugust 24, 2013 Netflix says don’t expect audio description anytime soon Hi all! I’m bringing you an update that contains bad news for the blind and the visually impaired community, but first, for the people who are just signing up, I’ll I’ve a brief recap about what we have been doing. In short, we have been contacting TV show distributers and producers as well in movie companies and broadcast networks such as fox and Sony. Things are still working out with Sony but fox has agreed to give all future Family Guy episodes to Netflix. Unfortunately, Netflix doesn’t want to have them… at all. I replied with this email below. Their response to my telling them that Fox was going to do this is below my email to them. Below is my response to them. *If the producers are willing to provide the needed audio description files to you free for all future episodes then all your programming and design team would need to do is find out how to make the audio description available in the languages menu of the streaming player. I’m sure this wouldn’t be hard to do, but thank you for the reply.* And here is the reply that they have sent me when I told them that future Family Guy episodes were going to be made to them, free, no less. Every audio description that’s produced will be available to Netflix dealing with the Family Guy TV show. *Hi Robert,* *Thank you for being a Netflix fan and for being so passionate about making Netflix more accessible. At this point we have no immediate plans to add audio descriptions to our service. We continuously evaluate this and we will let you know if there’s a change, but don’t expect it to come in the near future.* Well, looks like its back to the drawing board. I wonder if Hulu will be more open to adding audio description. I’ll try some other people at Netflix. That was just only one person. 1 Comment From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 22:00:41 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:00:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question about AP testing Message-ID: <52192d38.4231ec0a.5543.7fda@mx.google.com> Same here. I took an AP Economics test in May and received my scores in July. ----- Original Message ----- From: minh ha wrote: Hi all, I don't think they intentionally give Braille students a different test, but they will often give a Braille copy of the test from a previous year, I guess because they don't have time to get the current year's test transcribed. I would think that by 2013 the Braille-embossing technology would be good enough to keep this from still happening, but apparently it does. I know that Braille AP scores often come out later than they do for sighted students and I'm not sure why that is the case. It's not a problem for juniors, but could be for seniors going directly into college who need the AP credits to appear on their transcripts prior to registration. I experienced problems with class registration myself because my AP English credits were applied about a month later than everyone else's. I understand folks in the NFB's education department have been trying to address this important issue with the College Board. If you experience problems registering for college because your AP scores were delayed, you should let someone at NFB's national office know about it. Best, Arielle On 8/24/13, Emily Pennington wrote: Funny you mention the rescoring, Miso; two years after I took the test in 2011, I also got a letter saying the same thing. Now, I just keep hoping I won't get a letter next year about Calculus, saying that I really didn't get a 5. LOL. Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miso Kwak" References: <521925C4.9010605@gmail.com> Message-ID: National Federation of the Blind of Michigan 20812 Ann Arbor Trail Dearborn Heights, MI 48127 August 8, 2013 To Whom it May Concern: The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan is giving two blind college students scholarships of $500 each. The application is below. Along with submitting all pertinent documents, students must attend all State Convention activities and must have an interview with the scholarship committee. Please distribute this information far and wide to all blind high school seniors and college students that you are in contact with. Sincerely, Larry Posont President National Federation of the Blind of Michigan (313) 271-3058 Email: president.nfb.mi at gmail.com Web page: www.nfbmi.org National Federation of the Blind of Michigan 2013 Scholarship Program The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan is pleased to offer two scholarships in the amount of $500 to outstanding blind students in the state of Michigan. Scholarship winners will be required to attend the entire state convention of the National Federation of the Blind of Michigan, and participate in all activities sponsored by the Michigan Association of Blind Students. This convention will take place October 18-20, 2013 inGrand Rapids, Michigan. All convention expenses including transportation, hotel accommodations, and registration will be provided as part of this scholarship. The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan offers this scholarship as a way to recognize the achievements of blind students in their academic affairs, personal pursuits, and service to their community. Since this scholarship is based on merit, it cannot be taken away from the student as a means to pay for rehabilitation services. If the Bureau of Services for Blind Persons states otherwise, The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan can provide written documentation to back up this statement. The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan is an organization dedicated to creating opportunities that encourage security, equality and opportunity in the lives of blind people throughout the state of Michigan. However, applicants do not need to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind of Michigan to apply for this scholarship. To be eligible for this scholarship, all applicants must: . Be certified as being legally blind; . Be a resident of the state of Michigan; . Be pursuing a full-time postsecondary course of study in the 2013-2014 academic year; . Participate in the entire NFB of Michigan 2013 state convention and all scheduled scholarship activities; and . Submit all application materials by Friday, September 6, 2013. Please make sure all applications are complete. The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan does not accept responsibility for incomplete applications. Each scholarship application will be reviewed by the scholarship committee, and winners will be notified by Friday, September 27, 2013. All decisions made by the scholarship committee are final. NFBMI Scholarship Chairperson Terri Wilcox 2533 Sandalwood Circle Ann Arbor, MI 48105 trising at sbcglobal.net (734)663-4050 National Federation of the Blind of Michigan 2013 Scholarship Application Checklist Please use the following check list to make sure your scholarship application is complete. 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A good letter of recommendation should highlight your achievements in and out of the classroom as well as potential leadership skills. Submissions via email are preferred, but print letters will be accepted. 4. Current Transcripts Please include an official copy of the transcript from the institution you are currently attending as well as any other post-secondary institutions you have attended. If you have completed less than 20 credit hours of post-secondary education, please include a copy of your high school transcript. 5. Verification of Blindness All scholarship applicants must be legally blind. Applicants must verify they are legally blind by submitting a letter from a qualified professional such as an optometrist, ophthalmologist, vocational rehabilitation counselor, special education professional, or disability support services office. All scholarship materials must be received by the scholarship committee by Friday, September 6, 2013. Please make sure to allow enough time for us to receive all of the print documents you send to us in the mail by this deadline. If you have any questions about the application process, please contact the scholarship chairperson, Terri Wilcox, via email at trising at sbcglobal.net or via telephone at (734)663-4050. National Federation of the Blind of Michigan 2013 Scholarship Application Form To Apply: Complete the 2013 Scholarship Application Form electronically and email it to, trising at sbcglobal.net. Then mail a Braille or print copy with all required documents to: NFBMI Scholarship Committee Terri Wilcox 2533 Sandalwood Circle Ann Arbor, MI 48105 For Questions: Contact the scholarship chairperson, Terri Wilcox, via email at trising at sbcglobal.net or via telephone at (734)663-4050. Deadline: All documentation must be received on or before September 6, 2013. 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As you prepare to respond to the following questions, keep in mind that this is your only opportunity to demonstrate your best qualities to the scholarship committee. Since the scholarship committee is made up of successful blind graduates and professionals, we will be interested in the techniques you use to live as an independent blind person. Please limit your responses to 250 words per question. 1. How do you see yourself as a blind person? How do you think others perceive you as a blind person? Do you agree or disagree with the perceptions that other people have about blindness? 2. What qualities do you think makes a good leader, and in what ways have you demonstrated these qualities in your own life? Do you think others would agree or disagree with you? 3. If you could list one accomplishment in your life you wish you could have done better, what would it be, and what did you learn from this experience? 4. How do you actively participate in your community as a blind person? This is your opportunity to share clubs and organizations you belong to on and off campus as well as how you manage to live as a blind person in a sighted world. 5. What two questions would you like to ask the scholarship committee, and why would you like to ask these questions? PART E: CERTIFICATION STATEMENT. By typing my full name and signing below, I confirm that all of the information provided in this scholarship application is true and correct to the best of my knowledge. Signature: Date: From dandrews at visi.com Sun Aug 25 02:12:48 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 21:12:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: An Introduction to Outlook 2013 Seminar Message-ID: > >Join me on Saturday, September 7 at 4:00 PM Pacific for An Introduction to >Outlook 2013. From the basics through the new features of Outlook 2013, >I'll be there to guide you through the program and answer all your >questions. > >The cost of this online seminar is $125 and will take place in a >live voice chat classroom. > >To review the seminar schedule and register, please visit: > >http://www.blindtraining.com/Seminars/Outlook13.html > >I'll see you there! > >CathyAnne > >CathyAnne Murtha >Director >Access Technology Institute >www.blindtraining.com >Phone: (520) 300-7859 >FAX: (800) 987-6198 >Twitter: AccessTechInst >Facebook: www.facebook.com/blindtraining > >_______________________________________________ >News mailing list >News at lists.blindtraining.com >http://lists.blindtraining.com/listinfo.cgi/news-blindtraining.com From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Sun Aug 25 02:43:27 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 22:43:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Using The BrailleNote as a Braille Display In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hey!! Joshua! I just wanted to tell you that my BrailleNote has the Braille display attached! and that I can't really take it apart as the Pack Mate. It works very different from the Pack Mate my friend!! :) That's the reason I'm asking if somebody knows how to connect the BrailleNote to a laptop in order to use the Braille Display. In my other laptop the program was already there in order for me to use my BrailleNote connected to my laptop, in order to use its Braille display. But the person who help me install this program doesn't really have time to install it for me my friend!! to my new laptop! :) She actually send me the link of the whole process in order to connect my BrailleNote to my new laptop computer. But as I mentioned before it's actually very confusing to follow the steps, since I really don't know so much about computers. When I was reading it before it said that I needed to install the JAWS U SV driver in order for the Braille display to work with JAWS. The person who helped me, she actually did everything for me my friend!! :) Would you like me to send you the link in order for you to see it? Thanks and God bless!! ":) :) -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 5:11 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Using The BrailleNote as a Braille Display you just take the display off of the Braille Note, and put it on the lap top. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Helga Schreiber [helga.schreiber at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:35 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Using The BrailleNote as a Braille Display Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "Helga Schreiber" > Date: August 23, 2013, 10:15:14 PM EDT > To: "National Association of Blind Students" > Subject: [nabs-l] Using The BrailleNote as a Braille Display > Reply-To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Hi all, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, does some of you use the > BrailleNote Apex as a Braille display in your laptop computer? I have > recently bought a new laptop, but I really don’t know how to connect my > BrailleNote Apex in order to use it as a Braille display. And actually > somebody send me a link in how to instal the BrailleNote Apex in order to > use it as a Braille display, and when I open the link it took me to the > Humanware support page, and while I was reading, it said that in order to > use the Braille display, I need to install the JAWS driver in order to > connect it. Actually, all this process confuses me a lot, and I really don’t > know how to install the JAWS driver either! Just to let you know, I used > to have another laptop before, but somebody did all this process for me. > And to tell you the truth, I’m not a person who knows about computers very > well, and that’s the reason why it’s very difficult for me to do all this > process by myself. Could some of you helpe me connect my BrailleNote into > my laptope computer, and show me how to do all this process, in order for > me to use it as a Braille display, so that I could use it in order to do > my college class assignments? I will really appreciate it! a lot! Thanks > and God bless! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Sun Aug 25 04:56:45 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 22:56:45 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? Message-ID: <52198E8D.8050509@comcast.net> Dear NABS-sters, YEs, I'm writing you guys after so much time has passed. I'd like to go back to school for computer stuff, web design and stuff, but Rehab has caused me to go nuts lately. Firstly, they said I needed "extra" social skills training, which isn't available for adults. I have already gotten training in social skills at CCB, Colorado Center for the Blind, but I have no idea what DVR in Colorado is trying to do now. I have spoken to numerous people who said I should appeal, and so I wrote this letter. If anyone wants to see it, email me privately at my personal email if you have it or you may email me at eataurasi at gmail.com. Anyone need my number you may have it so that you can go over this with me. I can do anything to get this done. I tried the Lawyer list, but Mr. LaBarre said I should call the Legal Center for People with Disabilities, which did not even bother to help with another case I had. I don't know who to talk to at the legal center, so I plan to call them at some point. I want to go in front of a judge, but I don't know if DVR will listen. My resolution to this problem would be that they just take me off the list, give me some wage compensation, and give me a different setn of people who can help. Either that or I will drop the case and go private with services. Anyone got any ideas? Some things of note: They got on my case about some dress I was wearing. This is the same service provider who sent me to a psychologist who accused me of "pretending to be Arab." Something psychologists should never do is state that sort of thing about someone. I'm no longer Muslim due to this, and have converted to Christianity along with my dressing style. But that doesn't mean I dress in short short dresses. I have a certain code I follow, and it is appropriate to the knowledge of CCB. I'm not kidding. The DVR did not even give me a chance to finish my work because "Bedbugs transfer," said the lady I was working with. Here's the thing. They didn't give me a written note saying what they wanted with the official letterhead. That would have been beneficial though it isn't required in my suspicions. Anyway, thoughts and ideas would be greatly appreciated, and if anyone wants to help in this thing, please email me privately at the addresses above. Beth Taurasi From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 25 04:59:15 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 00:59:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? In-Reply-To: <52198E8D.8050509@comcast.net> References: <52198E8D.8050509@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001901cea14f$d9bd6740$8d3835c0$@gmail.com> Your religion should not have anything to do with that; that is absolutely distasteful on their part. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 12:57 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? Dear NABS-sters, YEs, I'm writing you guys after so much time has passed. I'd like to go back to school for computer stuff, web design and stuff, but Rehab has caused me to go nuts lately. Firstly, they said I needed "extra" social skills training, which isn't available for adults. I have already gotten training in social skills at CCB, Colorado Center for the Blind, but I have no idea what DVR in Colorado is trying to do now. I have spoken to numerous people who said I should appeal, and so I wrote this letter. If anyone wants to see it, email me privately at my personal email if you have it or you may email me at eataurasi at gmail.com. Anyone need my number you may have it so that you can go over this with me. I can do anything to get this done. I tried the Lawyer list, but Mr. LaBarre said I should call the Legal Center for People with Disabilities, which did not even bother to help with another case I had. I don't know who to talk to at the legal center, so I plan to call them at some point. I want to go in front of a judge, but I don't know if DVR will listen. My resolution to this problem would be that they just take me off the list, give me some wage compensation, and give me a different setn of people who can help. Either that or I will drop the case and go private with services. Anyone got any ideas? Some things of note: They got on my case about some dress I was wearing. This is the same service provider who sent me to a psychologist who accused me of "pretending to be Arab." Something psychologists should never do is state that sort of thing about someone. I'm no longer Muslim due to this, and have converted to Christianity along with my dressing style. But that doesn't mean I dress in short short dresses. I have a certain code I follow, and it is appropriate to the knowledge of CCB. I'm not kidding. The DVR did not even give me a chance to finish my work because "Bedbugs transfer," said the lady I was working with. Here's the thing. They didn't give me a written note saying what they wanted with the official letterhead. That would have been beneficial though it isn't required in my suspicions. Anyway, thoughts and ideas would be greatly appreciated, and if anyone wants to help in this thing, please email me privately at the addresses above. Beth Taurasi _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sun Aug 25 05:02:52 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 05:02:52 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? In-Reply-To: <52198E8D.8050509@comcast.net> References: <52198E8D.8050509@comcast.net> Message-ID: Beth, first of all, I'm glad you converted to Christianity, but that shouldn't be an issue with Rehab! They should be sued for racial profiling, for that "Pretending to be Arab," comment! That's the route I'd go on with this! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Beth Taurasi [denverqueen1107 at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? Dear NABS-sters, YEs, I'm writing you guys after so much time has passed. I'd like to go back to school for computer stuff, web design and stuff, but Rehab has caused me to go nuts lately. Firstly, they said I needed "extra" social skills training, which isn't available for adults. I have already gotten training in social skills at CCB, Colorado Center for the Blind, but I have no idea what DVR in Colorado is trying to do now. I have spoken to numerous people who said I should appeal, and so I wrote this letter. If anyone wants to see it, email me privately at my personal email if you have it or you may email me at eataurasi at gmail.com. Anyone need my number you may have it so that you can go over this with me. I can do anything to get this done. I tried the Lawyer list, but Mr. LaBarre said I should call the Legal Center for People with Disabilities, which did not even bother to help with another case I had. I don't know who to talk to at the legal center, so I plan to call them at some point. I want to go in front of a judge, but I don't know if DVR will listen. My resolution to this problem would be that they just take me off the list, give me some wage compensation, and give me a different setn of people who can help. Either that or I will drop the case and go private with services. Anyone got any ideas? Some things of note: They got on my case about some dress I was wearing. This is the same service provider who sent me to a psychologist who accused me of "pretending to be Arab." Something psychologists should never do is state that sort of thing about someone. I'm no longer Muslim due to this, and have converted to Christianity along with my dressing style. But that doesn't mean I dress in short short dresses. I have a certain code I follow, and it is appropriate to the knowledge of CCB. I'm not kidding. The DVR did not even give me a chance to finish my work because "Bedbugs transfer," said the lady I was working with. Here's the thing. They didn't give me a written note saying what they wanted with the official letterhead. That would have been beneficial though it isn't required in my suspicions. Anyway, thoughts and ideas would be greatly appreciated, and if anyone wants to help in this thing, please email me privately at the addresses above. Beth Taurasi _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sun Aug 25 05:03:47 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 05:03:47 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? In-Reply-To: <001901cea14f$d9bd6740$8d3835c0$@gmail.com> References: <52198E8D.8050509@comcast.net>, <001901cea14f$d9bd6740$8d3835c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wow! Great minds, huh? Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:59 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? Your religion should not have anything to do with that; that is absolutely distasteful on their part. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 12:57 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? Dear NABS-sters, YEs, I'm writing you guys after so much time has passed. I'd like to go back to school for computer stuff, web design and stuff, but Rehab has caused me to go nuts lately. Firstly, they said I needed "extra" social skills training, which isn't available for adults. I have already gotten training in social skills at CCB, Colorado Center for the Blind, but I have no idea what DVR in Colorado is trying to do now. I have spoken to numerous people who said I should appeal, and so I wrote this letter. If anyone wants to see it, email me privately at my personal email if you have it or you may email me at eataurasi at gmail.com. Anyone need my number you may have it so that you can go over this with me. I can do anything to get this done. I tried the Lawyer list, but Mr. LaBarre said I should call the Legal Center for People with Disabilities, which did not even bother to help with another case I had. I don't know who to talk to at the legal center, so I plan to call them at some point. I want to go in front of a judge, but I don't know if DVR will listen. My resolution to this problem would be that they just take me off the list, give me some wage compensation, and give me a different setn of people who can help. Either that or I will drop the case and go private with services. Anyone got any ideas? Some things of note: They got on my case about some dress I was wearing. This is the same service provider who sent me to a psychologist who accused me of "pretending to be Arab." Something psychologists should never do is state that sort of thing about someone. I'm no longer Muslim due to this, and have converted to Christianity along with my dressing style. But that doesn't mean I dress in short short dresses. I have a certain code I follow, and it is appropriate to the knowledge of CCB. I'm not kidding. The DVR did not even give me a chance to finish my work because "Bedbugs transfer," said the lady I was working with. Here's the thing. They didn't give me a written note saying what they wanted with the official letterhead. That would have been beneficial though it isn't required in my suspicions. Anyway, thoughts and ideas would be greatly appreciated, and if anyone wants to help in this thing, please email me privately at the addresses above. Beth Taurasi _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 25 05:06:34 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 01:06:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? In-Reply-To: References: <52198E8D.8050509@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001a01cea150$df30dc60$9d929520$@gmail.com> That would be a definitely law suit if you wanted, with racial profiling, but maybe not something to do right away. Your main goal is to go to college for your career goals, not the court room for racial profiling unless you have too. I don't know what to do other than to advise you to do what mr. labar said. One reason is so that you can show that you did follow the proper progression. However, I will sleep on it and ask anyone else like some of my professors who might no something. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:03 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? Beth, first of all, I'm glad you converted to Christianity, but that shouldn't be an issue with Rehab! They should be sued for racial profiling, for that "Pretending to be Arab," comment! That's the route I'd go on with this! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Beth Taurasi [denverqueen1107 at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? Dear NABS-sters, YEs, I'm writing you guys after so much time has passed. I'd like to go back to school for computer stuff, web design and stuff, but Rehab has caused me to go nuts lately. Firstly, they said I needed "extra" social skills training, which isn't available for adults. I have already gotten training in social skills at CCB, Colorado Center for the Blind, but I have no idea what DVR in Colorado is trying to do now. I have spoken to numerous people who said I should appeal, and so I wrote this letter. If anyone wants to see it, email me privately at my personal email if you have it or you may email me at eataurasi at gmail.com. Anyone need my number you may have it so that you can go over this with me. I can do anything to get this done. I tried the Lawyer list, but Mr. LaBarre said I should call the Legal Center for People with Disabilities, which did not even bother to help with another case I had. I don't know who to talk to at the legal center, so I plan to call them at some point. I want to go in front of a judge, but I don't know if DVR will listen. My resolution to this problem would be that they just take me off the list, give me some wage compensation, and give me a different setn of people who can help. Either that or I will drop the case and go private with services. Anyone got any ideas? Some things of note: They got on my case about some dress I was wearing. This is the same service provider who sent me to a psychologist who accused me of "pretending to be Arab." Something psychologists should never do is state that sort of thing about someone. I'm no longer Muslim due to this, and have converted to Christianity along with my dressing style. But that doesn't mean I dress in short short dresses. I have a certain code I follow, and it is appropriate to the knowledge of CCB. I'm not kidding. The DVR did not even give me a chance to finish my work because "Bedbugs transfer," said the lady I was working with. Here's the thing. They didn't give me a written note saying what they wanted with the official letterhead. That would have been beneficial though it isn't required in my suspicions. Anyway, thoughts and ideas would be greatly appreciated, and if anyone wants to help in this thing, please email me privately at the addresses above. Beth Taurasi _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Sun Aug 25 05:07:53 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:07:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? In-Reply-To: References: <52198E8D.8050509@comcast.net> Message-ID: <52199129.6070408@comcast.net> On 8/24/2013 11:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Beth, first of all, I'm glad you converted to Christianity, but that shouldn't be an issue with Rehab! > They should be sued for racial profiling, for that "Pretending to be Arab," comment! > That's the route I'd go on with this! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Beth Taurasi [denverqueen1107 at comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:56 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? > > Dear NABS-sters, > YEs, I'm writing you guys after so much time has passed. I'd like to go > back to school for computer stuff, web design and stuff, but Rehab has > caused me to go nuts lately. Firstly, they said I needed "extra" social > skills training, which isn't available for adults. I have already > gotten training in social skills at CCB, Colorado Center for the Blind, > but I have no idea what DVR in Colorado is trying to do now. I have > spoken to numerous people who said I should appeal, and so I wrote this > letter. If anyone wants to see it, email me privately at my personal > email if you have it or you may email me at eataurasi at gmail.com. Anyone > need my number you may have it so that you can go over this with me. I > can do anything to get this done. I tried the Lawyer list, but Mr. > LaBarre said I should call the Legal Center for People with > Disabilities, which did not even bother to help with another case I > had. I don't know who to talk to at the legal center, so I plan to call > them at some point. I want to go in front of a judge, but I don't know > if DVR will listen. My resolution to this problem would be that they > just take me off the list, give me some wage compensation, and give me a > different setn of people who can help. Either that or I will drop the > case and go private with services. Anyone got any ideas? > Some things of note: They got on my case about some dress I was > wearing. This is the same service provider who sent me to a > psychologist who accused me of "pretending to be Arab." Something > psychologists should never do is state that sort of thing about > someone. I'm no longer Muslim due to this, and have converted to > Christianity along with my dressing style. But that doesn't mean I > dress in short short dresses. I have a certain code I follow, and it is > appropriate to the knowledge of CCB. I'm not kidding. > The DVR did not even give me a chance to finish my work because "Bedbugs > transfer," said the lady I was working with. Here's the thing. They > didn't give me a written note saying what they wanted with the official > letterhead. That would have been beneficial though it isn't required in > my suspicions. Anyway, thoughts and ideas would be greatly appreciated, > and if anyone wants to help in this thing, please email me privately at > the addresses above. > Beth Taurasi > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > Hmmmmm, for sending me to the doc who did this? Hmmmm, I should probably sue him anyway, and file a racial profiling complaint. But where to start? This would not be an issue if I wasn't mentally ill and blind at the same time. Beth From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sun Aug 25 05:12:00 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 05:12:00 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? In-Reply-To: <52199129.6070408@comcast.net> References: <52198E8D.8050509@comcast.net> , <52199129.6070408@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'm going into this same field of study, (Behavioral Health,) so you're talking to someone that can find some resources for you. Please send me the letter off list! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Beth Taurasi [denverqueen1107 at comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 12:07 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? On 8/24/2013 11:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Beth, first of all, I'm glad you converted to Christianity, but that shouldn't be an issue with Rehab! > They should be sued for racial profiling, for that "Pretending to be Arab," comment! > That's the route I'd go on with this! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Beth Taurasi [denverqueen1107 at comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:56 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? > > Dear NABS-sters, > YEs, I'm writing you guys after so much time has passed. I'd like to go > back to school for computer stuff, web design and stuff, but Rehab has > caused me to go nuts lately. Firstly, they said I needed "extra" social > skills training, which isn't available for adults. I have already > gotten training in social skills at CCB, Colorado Center for the Blind, > but I have no idea what DVR in Colorado is trying to do now. I have > spoken to numerous people who said I should appeal, and so I wrote this > letter. If anyone wants to see it, email me privately at my personal > email if you have it or you may email me at eataurasi at gmail.com. Anyone > need my number you may have it so that you can go over this with me. I > can do anything to get this done. I tried the Lawyer list, but Mr. > LaBarre said I should call the Legal Center for People with > Disabilities, which did not even bother to help with another case I > had. I don't know who to talk to at the legal center, so I plan to call > them at some point. I want to go in front of a judge, but I don't know > if DVR will listen. My resolution to this problem would be that they > just take me off the list, give me some wage compensation, and give me a > different setn of people who can help. Either that or I will drop the > case and go private with services. Anyone got any ideas? > Some things of note: They got on my case about some dress I was > wearing. This is the same service provider who sent me to a > psychologist who accused me of "pretending to be Arab." Something > psychologists should never do is state that sort of thing about > someone. I'm no longer Muslim due to this, and have converted to > Christianity along with my dressing style. But that doesn't mean I > dress in short short dresses. I have a certain code I follow, and it is > appropriate to the knowledge of CCB. I'm not kidding. > The DVR did not even give me a chance to finish my work because "Bedbugs > transfer," said the lady I was working with. Here's the thing. They > didn't give me a written note saying what they wanted with the official > letterhead. That would have been beneficial though it isn't required in > my suspicions. Anyway, thoughts and ideas would be greatly appreciated, > and if anyone wants to help in this thing, please email me privately at > the addresses above. > Beth Taurasi > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > Hmmmmm, for sending me to the doc who did this? Hmmmm, I should probably sue him anyway, and file a racial profiling complaint. But where to start? This would not be an issue if I wasn't mentally ill and blind at the same time. Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sun Aug 25 05:14:04 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 05:14:04 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? In-Reply-To: <001a01cea150$df30dc60$9d929520$@gmail.com> References: <52198E8D.8050509@comcast.net> , <001a01cea150$df30dc60$9d929520$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah! The thing that gets me, is that you already have enough social skills! Beth, I should know, because we met at the NFB convention in 2010! These Rehab fools don't know what they're talking about! Good grief! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 12:06 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? That would be a definitely law suit if you wanted, with racial profiling, but maybe not something to do right away. Your main goal is to go to college for your career goals, not the court room for racial profiling unless you have too. I don't know what to do other than to advise you to do what mr. labar said. One reason is so that you can show that you did follow the proper progression. However, I will sleep on it and ask anyone else like some of my professors who might no something. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:03 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? Beth, first of all, I'm glad you converted to Christianity, but that shouldn't be an issue with Rehab! They should be sued for racial profiling, for that "Pretending to be Arab," comment! That's the route I'd go on with this! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Beth Taurasi [denverqueen1107 at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? Dear NABS-sters, YEs, I'm writing you guys after so much time has passed. I'd like to go back to school for computer stuff, web design and stuff, but Rehab has caused me to go nuts lately. Firstly, they said I needed "extra" social skills training, which isn't available for adults. I have already gotten training in social skills at CCB, Colorado Center for the Blind, but I have no idea what DVR in Colorado is trying to do now. I have spoken to numerous people who said I should appeal, and so I wrote this letter. If anyone wants to see it, email me privately at my personal email if you have it or you may email me at eataurasi at gmail.com. Anyone need my number you may have it so that you can go over this with me. I can do anything to get this done. I tried the Lawyer list, but Mr. LaBarre said I should call the Legal Center for People with Disabilities, which did not even bother to help with another case I had. I don't know who to talk to at the legal center, so I plan to call them at some point. I want to go in front of a judge, but I don't know if DVR will listen. My resolution to this problem would be that they just take me off the list, give me some wage compensation, and give me a different setn of people who can help. Either that or I will drop the case and go private with services. Anyone got any ideas? Some things of note: They got on my case about some dress I was wearing. This is the same service provider who sent me to a psychologist who accused me of "pretending to be Arab." Something psychologists should never do is state that sort of thing about someone. I'm no longer Muslim due to this, and have converted to Christianity along with my dressing style. But that doesn't mean I dress in short short dresses. I have a certain code I follow, and it is appropriate to the knowledge of CCB. I'm not kidding. The DVR did not even give me a chance to finish my work because "Bedbugs transfer," said the lady I was working with. Here's the thing. They didn't give me a written note saying what they wanted with the official letterhead. That would have been beneficial though it isn't required in my suspicions. Anyway, thoughts and ideas would be greatly appreciated, and if anyone wants to help in this thing, please email me privately at the addresses above. Beth Taurasi _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Sun Aug 25 05:21:48 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:21:48 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? In-Reply-To: <001a01cea150$df30dc60$9d929520$@gmail.com> References: <52198E8D.8050509@comcast.net> <001a01cea150$df30dc60$9d929520$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5219946C.5070802@comcast.net> On 8/24/2013 11:06 PM, justin williams wrote: > That would be a definitely law suit if you wanted, with racial profiling, > but maybe not something to do right away. Your main goal is to go to > college for your career goals, not the court room for racial profiling > unless you have too. I don't know what to do other than to advise you to do > what mr. labar said. One reason is so that you can show that you did follow > the proper progression. However, I will sleep on it and ask anyone else > like some of my professors who might no something. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:03 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? > > Beth, first of all, I'm glad you converted to Christianity, but that > shouldn't be an issue with Rehab! > They should be sued for racial profiling, for that "Pretending to be Arab," > comment! > That's the route I'd go on with this! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Beth Taurasi > [denverqueen1107 at comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:56 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? > > Dear NABS-sters, > YEs, I'm writing you guys after so much time has passed. I'd like to go > back to school for computer stuff, web design and stuff, but Rehab has > caused me to go nuts lately. Firstly, they said I needed "extra" social > skills training, which isn't available for adults. I have already gotten > training in social skills at CCB, Colorado Center for the Blind, but I have > no idea what DVR in Colorado is trying to do now. I have spoken to numerous > people who said I should appeal, and so I wrote this letter. If anyone > wants to see it, email me privately at my personal email if you have it or > you may email me at eataurasi at gmail.com. Anyone need my number you may have > it so that you can go over this with me. I can do anything to get this > done. I tried the Lawyer list, but Mr. > LaBarre said I should call the Legal Center for People with Disabilities, > which did not even bother to help with another case I had. I don't know who > to talk to at the legal center, so I plan to call them at some point. I > want to go in front of a judge, but I don't know if DVR will listen. My > resolution to this problem would be that they just take me off the list, > give me some wage compensation, and give me a different setn of people who > can help. Either that or I will drop the case and go private with services. > Anyone got any ideas? > Some things of note: They got on my case about some dress I was wearing. > This is the same service provider who sent me to a psychologist who accused > me of "pretending to be Arab." Something psychologists should never do is > state that sort of thing about someone. I'm no longer Muslim due to this, > and have converted to Christianity along with my dressing style. But that > doesn't mean I dress in short short dresses. I have a certain code I > follow, and it is appropriate to the knowledge of CCB. I'm not kidding. > The DVR did not even give me a chance to finish my work because "Bedbugs > transfer," said the lady I was working with. Here's the thing. They didn't > give me a written note saying what they wanted with the official letterhead. > That would have been beneficial though it isn't required in my suspicions. > Anyway, thoughts and ideas would be greatly appreciated, and if anyone wants > to help in this thing, please email me privately at the addresses above. > Beth Taurasi > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > I'll be calling those folks tomorrow or MOnday actually. Monday. I have lots of witnesses and friends behind me, so I think DVR is going to need to expunge the observations because for one, they were sighted biased and for another, they were shoddy. Really shoddy. Beth From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 25 05:23:26 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 01:23:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? In-Reply-To: <5219946C.5070802@comcast.net> References: <52198E8D.8050509@comcast.net> <001a01cea150$df30dc60$9d929520$@gmail.com> <5219946C.5070802@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001b01cea153$3a95b3d0$afc11b70$@gmail.com> Your messages are not appearing on the top, or at least, this one did not. If you sent something in the message, I can't find the text. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:22 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? On 8/24/2013 11:06 PM, justin williams wrote: > That would be a definitely law suit if you wanted, with racial > profiling, but maybe not something to do right away. Your main goal > is to go to college for your career goals, not the court room for > racial profiling unless you have too. I don't know what to do other > than to advise you to do what mr. labar said. One reason is so that > you can show that you did follow the proper progression. However, I > will sleep on it and ask anyone else like some of my professors who might no something. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua > Lester > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:03 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? > > Beth, first of all, I'm glad you converted to Christianity, but that > shouldn't be an issue with Rehab! > They should be sued for racial profiling, for that "Pretending to be Arab," > comment! > That's the route I'd go on with this! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Beth Taurasi > [denverqueen1107 at comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:56 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? > > Dear NABS-sters, > YEs, I'm writing you guys after so much time has passed. I'd like to > go back to school for computer stuff, web design and stuff, but Rehab > has caused me to go nuts lately. Firstly, they said I needed "extra" > social skills training, which isn't available for adults. I have > already gotten training in social skills at CCB, Colorado Center for > the Blind, but I have no idea what DVR in Colorado is trying to do > now. I have spoken to numerous people who said I should appeal, and > so I wrote this letter. If anyone wants to see it, email me privately > at my personal email if you have it or you may email me at > eataurasi at gmail.com. Anyone need my number you may have it so that > you can go over this with me. I can do anything to get this done. I tried the Lawyer list, but Mr. > LaBarre said I should call the Legal Center for People with > Disabilities, which did not even bother to help with another case I > had. I don't know who to talk to at the legal center, so I plan to > call them at some point. I want to go in front of a judge, but I > don't know if DVR will listen. My resolution to this problem would be > that they just take me off the list, give me some wage compensation, > and give me a different setn of people who can help. Either that or I will drop the case and go private with services. > Anyone got any ideas? > Some things of note: They got on my case about some dress I was wearing. > This is the same service provider who sent me to a psychologist who > accused me of "pretending to be Arab." Something psychologists should > never do is state that sort of thing about someone. I'm no longer > Muslim due to this, and have converted to Christianity along with my > dressing style. But that doesn't mean I dress in short short dresses. > I have a certain code I follow, and it is appropriate to the knowledge of CCB. I'm not kidding. > The DVR did not even give me a chance to finish my work because > "Bedbugs transfer," said the lady I was working with. Here's the > thing. They didn't give me a written note saying what they wanted with the official letterhead. > That would have been beneficial though it isn't required in my suspicions. > Anyway, thoughts and ideas would be greatly appreciated, and if anyone > wants to help in this thing, please email me privately at the addresses above. > Beth Taurasi > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > a.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40 > comcast.net > I'll be calling those folks tomorrow or MOnday actually. Monday. I have lots of witnesses and friends behind me, so I think DVR is going to need to expunge the observations because for one, they were sighted biased and for another, they were shoddy. Really shoddy. Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Sun Aug 25 05:42:26 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:42:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? Message-ID: Oops. I think the whole list got a blank message. I'm sorry. What I wanted to say was that you can sleep on it and that yes, I don't want to sue, but Rehab owes me wage compensation for their bad and shoddy observations. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams" References: <8b0de1a0-93b8-4012-8320-4fe3babeee97@CO1EHSMHS029.ehs.local> Message-ID: You're right! BTW, I think your original message got to the bottom of the E-Mail, which happens alot with people on here. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Beth Taurasi [denverqueen1107 at comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 12:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? Oops. I think the whole list got a blank message. I'm sorry. What I wanted to say was that you can sleep on it and that yes, I don't want to sue, but Rehab owes me wage compensation for their bad and shoddy observations. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams" References: <52198E8D.8050509@comcast.net> <52199129.6070408@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130825045841.04028e48@comcast.net> Good morning, Beth, I would love to talk with you concerning a problem with the DOR! Would you like to call or, shall I call you? My number is 408-209-3239. Rehab! >>They should be sued for racial profiling, for that "Pretending to >>be Arab," comment! >>That's the route I'd go on with this! >>Blessings, Joshua >>________________________________________ >>From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Beth Taurasi >>[denverqueen1107 at comcast.net] >>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:56 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? >> >>Dear NABS-sters, >>YEs, I'm writing you guys after so much time has passed. I'd like to go >>back to school for computer stuff, web design and stuff, but Rehab has >>caused me to go nuts lately. Firstly, they said I needed "extra" social >>skills training, which isn't available for adults. I have already >>gotten training in social skills at CCB, Colorado Center for the Blind, >>but I have no idea what DVR in Colorado is trying to do now. I have >>spoken to numerous people who said I should appeal, and so I wrote this >>letter. If anyone wants to see it, email me privately at my personal >>email if you have it or you may email me at eataurasi at gmail.com. Anyone >>need my number you may have it so that you can go over this with me. I >>can do anything to get this done. I tried the Lawyer list, but Mr. >>LaBarre said I should call the Legal Center for People with >>Disabilities, which did not even bother to help with another case I >>had. I don't know who to talk to at the legal center, so I plan to call >>them at some point. I want to go in front of a judge, but I don't know >>if DVR will listen. My resolution to this problem would be that they >>just take me off the list, give me some wage compensation, and give me a >>different setn of people who can help. Either that or I will drop the >>case and go private with services. Anyone got any ideas? >>Some things of note: They got on my case about some dress I was >>wearing. This is the same service provider who sent me to a >>psychologist who accused me of "pretending to be Arab." Something >>psychologists should never do is state that sort of thing about >>someone. I'm no longer Muslim due to this, and have converted to >>Christianity along with my dressing style. But that doesn't mean I >>dress in short short dresses. I have a certain code I follow, and it is >>appropriate to the knowledge of CCB. I'm not kidding. >>The DVR did not even give me a chance to finish my work because "Bedbugs >>transfer," said the lady I was working with. Here's the thing. They >>didn't give me a written note saying what they wanted with the official >>letterhead. That would have been beneficial though it isn't required in >>my suspicions. Anyway, thoughts and ideas would be greatly appreciated, >>and if anyone wants to help in this thing, please email me privately at >>the addresses above. >>Beth Taurasi >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net >Hmmmmm, for sending me to the doc who did this? Hmmmm, I should >probably sue him anyway, and file a racial profiling complaint. But >where to start? This would not be an issue if I wasn't mentally ill >and blind at the same time. >Beth > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Sun Aug 25 17:22:48 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:22:48 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] rehab issues, anyone like to throw in some advice? Message-ID: How about calling me? My phone number will be at the botom of this email. Thanks. Beth Taurasi 720-435-7407 eataurasi at gmail.com (work email) ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly Mihalakis Hi all, My name is Arielle Silverman and I am a doctoral student in the Department of Psychology and Neuroscience at the University of Colorado. As you may know, I am conducting a series of studies for my dissertation examining blind people’s experiences finding employment as well as your experiences in interacting with the sighted public. I would appreciate your help with a brief online study investigating your views about ways in which blind people tend to be stereotyped by society. The study should take no more than 15 minutes to complete. In appreciation of your time, you will have the opportunity to enter a raffle drawing to win a $50 gift certificate to a merchant of your choice (Amazon.com, Itunes.com, Olive Garden, or AMC Theaters). All of your responses in the study will be anonymous and confidential. Anyone who is legally blind and at least 18 years old is welcome to participate. To begin please go to: http://ucsas.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_eEhW5bXJgyKeetT Thank you as always for your assistance. Best, Arielle Silverman, M.A. Doctoral Candidate, Social Psychology Department of Psychology and Neuroscience 345 UCB Boulder, CO 80309-0345 arielle.silverman at colorado.edu On 8/25/13, Kevin Lowe wrote: > Thank you Marisa. Unfortunately I have already been in contact with the > president of the travel and leisure division and she had no other ideas from > what means I am currently using. Nonetheless I certainly do appreciate your > suggestion. > > Thank you, > Kevin Lowe > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:16 AM, "M Lucca" wrote: > >> Hi Kevin, >> >> I am not familiar with CRM software, albeit I know its purpose and >> importance. You may find the NFB Travel and Tourism Division a helpful >> resource, though. Perhaps you should contact one of the Division's board >> members or officers for guidance. I presume the Division may provide some >> sort of direction. Here is a link to the Division's website >> http://www.nfbtravel.org/ >> >> Regards, >> >> Marisa Lucca >> NFB Florida Member >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Young_professionals [mailto:young_professionals-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On >> Behalf Of kevl2686 at aol.com >> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM >> To: young_professionals at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [Young_professionals] CRM software >> >> Hello, >> Owning my own travel agency I have been trying to find a Customer >> Relationship Management (CRM) program that is fully accessible with JAWS. >> As of now I have yet to find one that will work. So this brings me to my >> obvious question, do any of you know of a JAWS friendly CRM program? Any >> thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Kevin Lowe >> Better Days Travel, "We'll take you to a better place" >> www.BetterDaysTravel.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Young_professionals mailing list >> Young_professionals at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/young_professionals_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> Young_professionals: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/young_professionals_nfbnet.org/lucca.maris >> a%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Young_professionals mailing list >> Young_professionals at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/young_professionals_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> Young_professionals: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/young_professionals_nfbnet.org/kevl2686%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > Young_professionals mailing list > Young_professionals at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/young_professionals_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > Young_professionals: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/young_professionals_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Sun Aug 25 20:10:38 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:10:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Survey regarding perceptions of stereotypes about blindness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <521A64BE.9050709@comcast.net> On 8/25/2013 1:19 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > My name is Arielle Silverman and I am a doctoral student in the > Department of Psychology and Neuroscience at the University of > Colorado. As you may know, I am conducting a series of studies for my > dissertation examining blind people’s experiences finding employment > as well as your experiences in interacting with the sighted public. I > would appreciate your help with a brief online study investigating > your views about ways in which blind people tend to be stereotyped by > society. > The study should take no more than 15 minutes to complete. In > appreciation of your time, you will have the opportunity to enter a > raffle drawing to win a $50 gift certificate to a merchant of your > choice (Amazon.com, Itunes.com, Olive Garden, or AMC Theaters). All of > your responses in the study will be anonymous and confidential. Anyone > who is legally blind and at least 18 years old is welcome to > participate. > To begin please go to: > http://ucsas.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_eEhW5bXJgyKeetT > Thank you as always for your assistance. > Best, > Arielle Silverman, M.A. > Doctoral Candidate, Social Psychology > Department of Psychology and Neuroscience > 345 UCB > Boulder, CO 80309-0345 > arielle.silverman at colorado.edu > > > On 8/25/13, Kevin Lowe wrote: >> Thank you Marisa. Unfortunately I have already been in contact with the >> president of the travel and leisure division and she had no other ideas from >> what means I am currently using. Nonetheless I certainly do appreciate your >> suggestion. >> >> Thank you, >> Kevin Lowe >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:16 AM, "M Lucca" wrote: >> >>> Hi Kevin, >>> >>> I am not familiar with CRM software, albeit I know its purpose and >>> importance. You may find the NFB Travel and Tourism Division a helpful >>> resource, though. Perhaps you should contact one of the Division's board >>> members or officers for guidance. I presume the Division may provide some >>> sort of direction. Here is a link to the Division's website >>> http://www.nfbtravel.org/ >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Marisa Lucca >>> NFB Florida Member >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Young_professionals [mailto:young_professionals-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of kevl2686 at aol.com >>> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM >>> To: young_professionals at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [Young_professionals] CRM software >>> >>> Hello, >>> Owning my own travel agency I have been trying to find a Customer >>> Relationship Management (CRM) program that is fully accessible with JAWS. >>> As of now I have yet to find one that will work. So this brings me to my >>> obvious question, do any of you know of a JAWS friendly CRM program? Any >>> thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Kevin Lowe >>> Better Days Travel, "We'll take you to a better place" >>> www.BetterDaysTravel.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Young_professionals mailing list >>> Young_professionals at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/young_professionals_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> Young_professionals: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/young_professionals_nfbnet.org/lucca.maris >>> a%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Young_professionals mailing list >>> Young_professionals at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/young_professionals_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> Young_professionals: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/young_professionals_nfbnet.org/kevl2686%40aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Young_professionals mailing list >> Young_professionals at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/young_professionals_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> Young_professionals: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/young_professionals_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > Hey Arielle, I've taken a survey with you before. I got one of those movie passes AND an AMazon gift card. But the movie pass I couldn't use, sadly. I feel terrible. lol Beth From kobycox at gmail.com Sun Aug 25 20:13:54 2013 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:13:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Survey regarding perceptions of stereotypes about blindness In-Reply-To: <521A64BE.9050709@comcast.net> References: <521A64BE.9050709@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0597002B-12AB-46B2-83C2-01B056EA6B8C@gmail.com> Beth, Can you please email me off list? Koby Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Beth Taurasi wrote: > On 8/25/2013 1:19 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi all, >> My name is Arielle Silverman and I am a doctoral student in the >> Department of Psychology and Neuroscience at the University of >> Colorado. As you may know, I am conducting a series of studies for my >> dissertation examining blind people’s experiences finding employment >> as well as your experiences in interacting with the sighted public. I >> would appreciate your help with a brief online study investigating >> your views about ways in which blind people tend to be stereotyped by >> society. >> The study should take no more than 15 minutes to complete. In >> appreciation of your time, you will have the opportunity to enter a >> raffle drawing to win a $50 gift certificate to a merchant of your >> choice (Amazon.com, Itunes.com, Olive Garden, or AMC Theaters). All of >> your responses in the study will be anonymous and confidential. Anyone >> who is legally blind and at least 18 years old is welcome to >> participate. >> To begin please go to: >> http://ucsas.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_eEhW5bXJgyKeetT >> Thank you as always for your assistance. >> Best, >> Arielle Silverman, M.A. >> Doctoral Candidate, Social Psychology >> Department of Psychology and Neuroscience >> 345 UCB >> Boulder, CO 80309-0345 >> arielle.silverman at colorado.edu >> >> >> On 8/25/13, Kevin Lowe wrote: >>> Thank you Marisa. Unfortunately I have already been in contact with the >>> president of the travel and leisure division and she had no other ideas from >>> what means I am currently using. Nonetheless I certainly do appreciate your >>> suggestion. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Kevin Lowe >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:16 AM, "M Lucca" wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Kevin, >>>> >>>> I am not familiar with CRM software, albeit I know its purpose and >>>> importance. You may find the NFB Travel and Tourism Division a helpful >>>> resource, though. Perhaps you should contact one of the Division's board >>>> members or officers for guidance. I presume the Division may provide some >>>> sort of direction. Here is a link to the Division's website >>>> http://www.nfbtravel.org/ >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Marisa Lucca >>>> NFB Florida Member >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Young_professionals [mailto:young_professionals-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of kevl2686 at aol.com >>>> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM >>>> To: young_professionals at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [Young_professionals] CRM software >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> Owning my own travel agency I have been trying to find a Customer >>>> Relationship Management (CRM) program that is fully accessible with JAWS. >>>> As of now I have yet to find one that will work. So this brings me to my >>>> obvious question, do any of you know of a JAWS friendly CRM program? Any >>>> thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Kevin Lowe >>>> Better Days Travel, "We'll take you to a better place" >>>> www.BetterDaysTravel.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Young_professionals mailing list >>>> Young_professionals at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/young_professionals_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> Young_professionals: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/young_professionals_nfbnet.org/lucca.maris >>>> a%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Young_professionals mailing list >>>> Young_professionals at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/young_professionals_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> Young_professionals: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/young_professionals_nfbnet.org/kevl2686%40aol.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Young_professionals mailing list >>> Young_professionals at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/young_professionals_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> Young_professionals: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/young_professionals_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > Hey Arielle, I've taken a survey with you before. I got one of those movie passes AND an AMazon gift card. But the movie pass I couldn't use, sadly. I feel terrible. lol > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Aug 25 22:04:27 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:04:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] to Beth Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130825150106.0401a870@comcast.net> Good aafternoon, Beth, Could you please call me? There seems to be too many Listserv posts in my In-box to locate your number, with amu reasonable promptness. Laim, I know. 408-209-3239 Thank you, Beth! for today, Car From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Aug 25 22:18:04 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:18:04 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] A Note on Phone Numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, Just wanted to offer a friendly reminder that this list is publicly archived, so if you give your phone number out on-list, it will be visible to anybody who searches the list archives. I know this bothers some more than others (as ex-NABS president I figure my own phone number has been everywhere, so I don't worry about it myself) but if you're concerned about keeping your number private, I suggest giving it to folks through private messages. Best, Arielle From weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com Mon Aug 26 12:20:16 2013 From: weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com (The weird writer) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:20:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] the accessible netflix project in the new york Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <521B4800.30602@gmail.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: campaign for an accessible netflix Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:34:43 -0700 From: Jonathan Handel Reply-To: Jonathan Handel To: Robert Kingett hi, I am still interested on reporting this for the New York Times but I cannot move forward. my editor finds the issue interesting, but there are no truly newsworthy developments right now. In other words there's no action or anything happening for us to report on. if you get the American Council of the blind or the NFB or the AFB interested in starting a more formal effort (and I am wondering why there is none, nor why they are not working with you to do so as an advocacy effort) aimed at a range of online and traditional media outlets, not just Netflix. then it will become news worthy. I would suspect that as soon as they heard of you that they would want to team up with you. this is mind blowing. I would in a split second. The only thing mentioned about you is on the ADP website, nothing else. Once that happens, you will be able to issue a report on how various media outlets and producers and studios react to your requests. That report would be newsworthy and something I can report on in a split second. Sooner, actually. by the way, I have added you to LinkedIn. I have been reading your articles all night. you are talented at reporting. what I mean by this is your articles use powerful words. I rarely read an article that makes me forget I am reading. You report and you even do it with flare, something I hardly ever see anymore. Keep my contact information jonathan Sent from my T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S4 From hhamraz at gmail.com Mon Aug 26 15:48:39 2013 From: hhamraz at gmail.com (Hamid Hamraz) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 11:48:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Talking TVs Message-ID: Hello All, Investigating on accessible TVs for visually impaired people, I came across this page: http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/television/access/Pages/accessible_tv.aspx Hope that it'll be helpful to some of you. Hamid From brailleprincess at gmail.com Mon Aug 26 19:56:53 2013 From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:56:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question concerning Spanish 1 class Message-ID: Hi all, I’m taking a Spanish 1 class this semester in college and was curious as to the strategies that other blind students have used to be successful in foreign language courses. I have a Braille copy of the textbook and from what I have seen thus far, there doesn’t seem to be that many differences in Spanish and English Braille. The professor posts the majority of the assignments, quizzes, and tests for the course online. I know it is possible to configure JAWS to speak in Spanish, and have considered trying this to complete the online assignments however, since I have had no prior experience with Spanish I’m not sure how effective that particular strategy will prove to be. I’ve also considered the option of using a reader to complete the assignments. I was also wondering how to configure the Pacmate qx 400, so that I will be able to use it to complete assigned work in Spanish? Thanks, Kayla From trillian551 at gmail.com Mon Aug 26 20:03:38 2013 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 16:03:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question concerning Spanish 1 class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kayla, Having taken quite a number of foreign courses, I'm a big believer in Braille, particularly when you are starting. For assignments, you can either copy and paste the assignment questions into Word, if that's possible, and import them into your Packmate that way, and just type up your answers on the online assignment. I don't have a packmate so cannot help with the Braille display connectivity, but I'm sure someone here will. For tests you can either ask for an electronic copy and ask the professor how confortable they are with you taking it using your packmate, or get a Braille hard copy. If you can do it on your own, I strongly recommend that you do instead of getting a reader. It's important to learn spelling, syntax, grammar, and pronunciation, and with a brand new language these might be lost if someone is just reading to you. Best of luck! Mary On 8/26/13, Kayla Weathers wrote: > Hi all, > I’m taking a Spanish 1 class this semester in college and was curious > as to the strategies that other blind students have used to be > successful in foreign language courses. I have a Braille copy of the > textbook and from what I have seen thus far, there doesn’t seem to be > that many differences in Spanish and English Braille. The professor > posts the majority of the assignments, quizzes, and tests for the > course online. I know it is possible to configure JAWS to speak in > Spanish, and have considered trying this to complete the online > assignments however, since I have had no prior experience with Spanish > I’m not sure how effective that particular strategy will prove to be. > I’ve also considered the option of using a reader to complete the > assignments. I was also wondering how to configure the Pacmate qx 400, > so that I will be able to use it to complete assigned work in Spanish? > Thanks, Kayla > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." — Maya Angelou From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Mon Aug 26 20:06:52 2013 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel and Stockard) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:06:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question concerning Spanish 1 class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6EE3495B-6D90-4BE8-A575-C7DB469B4F41@gmail.com> Hey Kayla, You can easily make JAWS speak in Spanish. You can either select one of the Spanish voice profiles, save it, and adjust it how you want, or you can download a realspeak solo direct voice from freedom scientific's website and use that. It's very doable. I can't help you with the pac mate stuff, but I know 6 languages and successfully use JAWS/voiceover both in my language use. Hope this helps Laurel On Aug 26, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Kayla, > Having taken quite a number of foreign courses, I'm a big believer in > Braille, particularly when you are starting. For assignments, you can > either copy and paste the assignment questions into Word, if that's > possible, and import them into your Packmate that way, and just type > up your answers on the online assignment. I don't have a packmate so > cannot help with the Braille display connectivity, but I'm sure > someone here will. For tests you can either ask for an electronic copy > and ask the professor how confortable they are with you taking it > using your packmate, or get a Braille hard copy. If you can do it on > your own, I strongly recommend that you do instead of getting a > reader. It's important to learn spelling, syntax, grammar, and > pronunciation, and with a brand new language these might be lost if > someone is just reading to you. > > Best of luck! > Mary > > On 8/26/13, Kayla Weathers wrote: >> Hi all, >> I’m taking a Spanish 1 class this semester in college and was curious >> as to the strategies that other blind students have used to be >> successful in foreign language courses. I have a Braille copy of the >> textbook and from what I have seen thus far, there doesn’t seem to be >> that many differences in Spanish and English Braille. The professor >> posts the majority of the assignments, quizzes, and tests for the >> course online. I know it is possible to configure JAWS to speak in >> Spanish, and have considered trying this to complete the online >> assignments however, since I have had no prior experience with Spanish >> I’m not sure how effective that particular strategy will prove to be. >> I’ve also considered the option of using a reader to complete the >> assignments. I was also wondering how to configure the Pacmate qx 400, >> so that I will be able to use it to complete assigned work in Spanish? >> Thanks, Kayla >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." > — > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Aug 26 20:17:38 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:17:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Calendar apps for iPhone Message-ID: Hi everyone, Do any of you use a calendar app for iPhone other than the built-in one? I use Google Calendar and have had pretty good success syncing it with and navigating it on the built-in app on my iPhone other than a few inconveniences. But I am testing iOS 7 and so far do not like the new Calendar view. Admittedly, I haven't checked to see if Google has its own Calendar app although I plan to do so, but just thought I'd ask to see if anyone uses another app. Thanks. -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From leyeshprintse at ymail.com Mon Aug 26 20:36:46 2013 From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:36:46 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] question concerning Spanish 1 class In-Reply-To: <6EE3495B-6D90-4BE8-A575-C7DB469B4F41@gmail.com> References: <6EE3495B-6D90-4BE8-A575-C7DB469B4F41@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30CF0400-342A-4E22-9AA4-75EF8CB92705@ymail.com> BS"D Laurel, Which languages do you can? I'm only curious. Kayla, When I studied English and French I used my laptop with Jaws and a Braille display, I'd English and French speeech. I think foreign languages are a subject where we can be successful as our coursemates, I love it! I've no ideas about your Packmate since these things are uncommon in my country, can't you test to write the accented letters in Spanish on your computer and import the document to the Packmate? I did this when I wanted to learn how to write the French accents with my BraillePen12 on my iPad. Good luck with your studies! Kind regards, Mlle. Leye-Shprintse Öberg Courriel : leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com Envoyé de mon iPad Mini From leyeshprintse at ymail.com Mon Aug 26 21:01:38 2013 From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 23:01:38 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign Languages - Hebrew In-Reply-To: References: <3CC58392-7785-42D0-8A2F-9383BCD66252@gmail.com> <950A1A57-F3FF-4672-923E-4D11546305C4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <86CDFB8F-4E23-4151-BF60-FA7576FC668A@ymail.com> BS"D Laurel, Actually, I wonder if you or someone else have got Jaws or VoiceOver to work with Hebrew? I don't need Hebrew speech but I would be very happy to be able to read Hebrew on some of my computers. I've never got Hebrew to work with Jaws, Jaws crashes when it come in contact with Jaws. Now, I'm getting Jaws 14 and maybe it'll work better. Can I get Hebrew Braille tables? What I understand it'll be built into Jaws but none in Sweden can help me get it to work. On my Apple products I can see some of the Hebrew letters but the Braille table isn't conplete? Do Hebrew work with NVDA? Kind regards, Mlle. Leye-Shprintse Öberg Courriel : leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com Envoyé de mon iPad Mini From jim.hulme at gmail.com Mon Aug 26 21:32:48 2013 From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:32:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Talking TVs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To Harold Hamraz: Thanks so much for sharing this linkl with me. I will try to get involved with RNIB in UK in the future as future plans. Could you please tell me a little more about how you heard of this issue of talking TVs?? Also I will try to send your email and the link contained here to American Council of the Blind since they would like to know that there is great process in talking televisions as that was one of the issues discussed at the ACB Convention in Columbus, Ohio on July 4-12, 2013, this past summer. I hope all is well with you. Please stay in touch for now. Any questions please do not hesitate to call me. ALSO TO KIM CHARLSON, AMERICAN COUNCIL OF THE BLIND PRESIDENT 2013 PLEASE READ FORWARD AND RESPOND BACK TO THIS MESSAGE ABOUT TALKING TELEVISIONS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED. Please do not hesitate to contact me with questions. I will consider a donation real soon in the future to ACB or RNIB (UK). Thank You and have a good day!. James Hulme 908-868-2836 (Mobile) 609-660-0699 (Home) jim.hulme at gmail.com On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Hamid Hamraz wrote: > Hello All, > Investigating on accessible TVs for visually impaired people, I came > across this page: > > http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/television/access/Pages/accessible_tv.aspx > Hope that it'll be helpful to some of you. > Hamid > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jim.hulme%40gmail.com > From nfbfrida at gmail.com Mon Aug 26 22:00:34 2013 From: nfbfrida at gmail.com (nfb frida) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:00:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] question concerning Spanish 1 class In-Reply-To: <6EE3495B-6D90-4BE8-A575-C7DB469B4F41@gmail.com> References: <6EE3495B-6D90-4BE8-A575-C7DB469B4F41@gmail.com> Message-ID: I absolutely abhore realspeak solo, it sounds like a reporter from Telemundo with a real bad, bad cold. On 8/26/13, Laurel and Stockard wrote: > Hey Kayla, > You can easily make JAWS speak in Spanish. You can either select one of the > Spanish voice profiles, save it, and adjust it how you want, or you can > download a realspeak solo direct voice from freedom scientific's website and > use that. It's very doable. I can't help you with the pac mate stuff, but I > know 6 languages and successfully use JAWS/voiceover both in my language > use. > Hope this helps > Laurel > On Aug 26, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > >> Kayla, >> Having taken quite a number of foreign courses, I'm a big believer in >> Braille, particularly when you are starting. For assignments, you can >> either copy and paste the assignment questions into Word, if that's >> possible, and import them into your Packmate that way, and just type >> up your answers on the online assignment. I don't have a packmate so >> cannot help with the Braille display connectivity, but I'm sure >> someone here will. For tests you can either ask for an electronic copy >> and ask the professor how confortable they are with you taking it >> using your packmate, or get a Braille hard copy. If you can do it on >> your own, I strongly recommend that you do instead of getting a >> reader. It's important to learn spelling, syntax, grammar, and >> pronunciation, and with a brand new language these might be lost if >> someone is just reading to you. >> >> Best of luck! >> Mary >> >> On 8/26/13, Kayla Weathers wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I’m taking a Spanish 1 class this semester in college and was curious >>> as to the strategies that other blind students have used to be >>> successful in foreign language courses. I have a Braille copy of the >>> textbook and from what I have seen thus far, there doesn’t seem to be >>> that many differences in Spanish and English Braille. The professor >>> posts the majority of the assignments, quizzes, and tests for the >>> course online. I know it is possible to configure JAWS to speak in >>> Spanish, and have considered trying this to complete the online >>> assignments however, since I have had no prior experience with Spanish >>> I’m not sure how effective that particular strategy will prove to be. >>> I’ve also considered the option of using a reader to complete the >>> assignments. I was also wondering how to configure the Pacmate qx 400, >>> so that I will be able to use it to complete assigned work in Spanish? >>> Thanks, Kayla >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will >> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them >> feel." >> — >> Maya Angelou >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Aug 26 23:49:50 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:49:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Calendar apps for iPhone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C66BCBE-7FD8-46CE-8BD7-803EB2EAED6A@gmail.com> I use the VIP agenda app instead of the built in calendar. I find it easier to see what is listed for the day, week, or month. Better yet, it gives this better layout while still being connected to the built in calendar, so any events I put in using Syrii show up in the app, and any events I add in the app will show up if I ask Syrii. This is a free app, so you have nothing to lose by giving it a try. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Do any of you use a calendar app for iPhone other than the built-in > one? I use Google Calendar and have had pretty good success syncing it > with and navigating it on the built-in app on my iPhone other than a > few inconveniences. But I am testing iOS 7 and so far do not like the > new Calendar view. > > Admittedly, I haven't checked to see if Google has its own Calendar > app although I plan to do so, but just thought I'd ask to see if > anyone uses another app. > > Thanks. > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 00:10:24 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:10:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Calendar apps for iPhone In-Reply-To: <5C66BCBE-7FD8-46CE-8BD7-803EB2EAED6A@gmail.com> References: <5C66BCBE-7FD8-46CE-8BD7-803EB2EAED6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001cea2b9$d4436880$7cca3980$@gmail.com> Cindy, Although I haven't tried it yet, Jewel's suggestion sounds like a good one. I will have to give it a try. To answer your second question, Google does indeed have an iOS app for Google Calendar. Chris Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair Public Relations Committee Maryland Association of Blind Students Phone: (443) 547-2409 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Calendar apps for iPhone I use the VIP agenda app instead of the built in calendar. I find it easier to see what is listed for the day, week, or month. Better yet, it gives this better layout while still being connected to the built in calendar, so any events I put in using Syrii show up in the app, and any events I add in the app will show up if I ask Syrii. This is a free app, so you have nothing to lose by giving it a try. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Do any of you use a calendar app for iPhone other than the built-in > one? I use Google Calendar and have had pretty good success syncing it > with and navigating it on the built-in app on my iPhone other than a > few inconveniences. But I am testing iOS 7 and so far do not like the > new Calendar view. > > Admittedly, I haven't checked to see if Google has its own Calendar > app although I plan to do so, but just thought I'd ask to see if > anyone uses another app. > > Thanks. > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 06:02:01 2013 From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 01:02:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] PDF converter Message-ID: Hi NABS, Can you guys suggest a pdf converter to me. My professor has posted a resource on a website in pdf. when I am trying to open it it gives me the message "Alert Empty document". Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Tamika Williams From louvins at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 08:12:03 2013 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 03:12:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] PDF converter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tamika. I use Kurzweil which can open pdf documents, then I can either convert them to audio format to listen to on my NLS advanced player, or I can save them in txt format then I can read them either on my victor stream, or plextalk pocket. Also, one thing you must consider what source did your pdf document come from. Was it a scanned document that was originally text, or is it an image of a scanned document. Pdf documents that were originally taken from pictures, are not good for kurzweil. I used Kurzweil, to open and read a short pdf document, in my online geology course. If you have a victor stream, you might also try using the humanware companion which can find pdf documents, and convert a pdf document to text then transfer it to the $VRtxt folder. Tamika, I hope I have helped you in some way. Please write back to the list and let us know how you make out. Also, openbook can also open and read pdf documents. On 8/27/13, Tamika Williams wrote: > Hi NABS, > > Can you guys suggest a pdf converter to me. My professor has posted a > resource on a website in pdf. when I am trying to open it it gives me > the message "Alert Empty document". Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Tamika Williams > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From philosopher25 at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 13:41:21 2013 From: philosopher25 at gmail.com (philosopher25 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:41:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] LSAT using Excel Message-ID: <00a701cea32b$1ebcbd50$5c3637f0$@gmail.com> Hello Lists, I did not learn Braille young. I want to take the LSAT using MS Excel. Anyone who has diagrammed logic games or logic sentences using a computer keyboard might be of help. Has anyone taken the LSAT using MS excel? If so can you answer my questions below? Logic Games: What methods or symbols did you use to diagram? Do you have a list of logic game types? Do you have a list of clue types? For example: blocks or anti blocks or range clues? Do you have a list of computer keyboard symbols used in logic games? Do you have a chart that describes the type of clue with the associated symbol that you could share with me? How did you move game pieces around within excel to find the answers? How did you flip between your diagrams, clues, question and answers to ensure that you did not miss any details? How did you account for speed verses accuracy? What other methods did you use in the Logic Games section? Logical reasoning: How did you do logical reasoning? Could you share the symbols you used to diagram sentences? How did you navigate the questions, answer choices and your diagrams efficiently to ensure speed and accuracy? What other methods did you use for the logical reasoning section? Reading comprehension: How did you mark conclusions and other elements? How did you move between the marked conclusion, question and the answer choices? How did you mark other important parts of passages? Do you have a list of markers you are willing to share with me? How did you navigate the Passage, questions, answer choices and marked portions for speed and accuracy when answering? General questions: Are there any other methods you used to take the LSAT effectively? What study material did you use? Did you have a one-on-one tutor? This might be personal and you do not have to answer, but did rehab pay for you to study for the LSAT? How did you justify that rehab pay? How many times did you take the LSAT? Were you able to get a good score using Excel to study? Can I see a list of accommodations you requested, and perhaps your justification letter? How long did it take to get your accommodations approved? Thank you for any help. Sincerely, Peter Fox Please email me at braillefox at gmail.com or respond to this post. From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Tue Aug 27 14:00:03 2013 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:00:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] LSAT using Excel In-Reply-To: <00a701cea32b$1ebcbd50$5c3637f0$@gmail.com> References: <00a701cea32b$1ebcbd50$5c3637f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2097AA885@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> You seem very detail oriented. You will make a good lawyer... LOL Zunaira -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of philosopher25 at gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:41 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'; nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] LSAT using Excel Hello Lists, I did not learn Braille young. I want to take the LSAT using MS Excel. Anyone who has diagrammed logic games or logic sentences using a computer keyboard might be of help. Has anyone taken the LSAT using MS excel? If so can you answer my questions below? Logic Games: What methods or symbols did you use to diagram? Do you have a list of logic game types? Do you have a list of clue types? For example: blocks or anti blocks or range clues? Do you have a list of computer keyboard symbols used in logic games? Do you have a chart that describes the type of clue with the associated symbol that you could share with me? How did you move game pieces around within excel to find the answers? How did you flip between your diagrams, clues, question and answers to ensure that you did not miss any details? How did you account for speed verses accuracy? What other methods did you use in the Logic Games section? Logical reasoning: How did you do logical reasoning? Could you share the symbols you used to diagram sentences? How did you navigate the questions, answer choices and your diagrams efficiently to ensure speed and accuracy? What other methods did you use for the logical reasoning section? Reading comprehension: How did you mark conclusions and other elements? How did you move between the marked conclusion, question and the answer choices? How did you mark other important parts of passages? Do you have a list of markers you are willing to share with me? How did you navigate the Passage, questions, answer choices and marked portions for speed and accuracy when answering? General questions: Are there any other methods you used to take the LSAT effectively? What study material did you use? Did you have a one-on-one tutor? This might be personal and you do not have to answer, but did rehab pay for you to study for the LSAT? How did you justify that rehab pay? How many times did you take the LSAT? Were you able to get a good score using Excel to study? Can I see a list of accommodations you requested, and perhaps your justification letter? How long did it take to get your accommodations approved? Thank you for any help. Sincerely, Peter Fox Please email me at braillefox at gmail.com or respond to this post. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs. fldoe.org From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Tue Aug 27 14:02:53 2013 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:02:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] PDF converter Message-ID: Hi Tamika, I would suggest emailing the PDF you'd like to convert to convert at robobraille.org, putting as the subject line the file format in which you'd like to access it (TXT, DOC, etc). You'll get a converted copy of the file within a few minutes, and I have found the quality to be quite good generally, though of course this depends on the quality of the original file. Hope this helps! Lucy > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Tamika Williams To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Date sent: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 01:02:01 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] PDF converter >Hi NABS, >Can you guys suggest a pdf converter to me. My professor has posted a >resource on a website in pdf. when I am trying to open it it gives me >the message "Alert Empty document". Any help would be appreciated. >Thanks, >Tamika Williams >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40earthlink.net From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 16:49:08 2013 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel and Stockard) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:49:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question concerning Spanish 1 class In-Reply-To: References: <6EE3495B-6D90-4BE8-A575-C7DB469B4F41@gmail.com> Message-ID: I do French, English, Spanish, Russian and Arabic. I agree, the voice on real speak for some languages isn't as great, but it is another option and it can be helpful at times. I also am starting on German and love studying other languages like Swedish, Dutch, many african languages etc. Languages are both my hobby and my passion, and because of this I have done lots of research on different screen reader options in different languages. :-) Laurel On Aug 26, 2013, at 5:00 PM, nfb frida wrote: > I absolutely abhore realspeak solo, it sounds like a reporter from > Telemundo with a real bad, bad cold. > > On 8/26/13, Laurel and Stockard wrote: >> Hey Kayla, >> You can easily make JAWS speak in Spanish. You can either select one of the >> Spanish voice profiles, save it, and adjust it how you want, or you can >> download a realspeak solo direct voice from freedom scientific's website and >> use that. It's very doable. I can't help you with the pac mate stuff, but I >> know 6 languages and successfully use JAWS/voiceover both in my language >> use. >> Hope this helps >> Laurel >> On Aug 26, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Mary Fernandez wrote: >> >>> Kayla, >>> Having taken quite a number of foreign courses, I'm a big believer in >>> Braille, particularly when you are starting. For assignments, you can >>> either copy and paste the assignment questions into Word, if that's >>> possible, and import them into your Packmate that way, and just type >>> up your answers on the online assignment. I don't have a packmate so >>> cannot help with the Braille display connectivity, but I'm sure >>> someone here will. For tests you can either ask for an electronic copy >>> and ask the professor how confortable they are with you taking it >>> using your packmate, or get a Braille hard copy. If you can do it on >>> your own, I strongly recommend that you do instead of getting a >>> reader. It's important to learn spelling, syntax, grammar, and >>> pronunciation, and with a brand new language these might be lost if >>> someone is just reading to you. >>> >>> Best of luck! >>> Mary >>> >>> On 8/26/13, Kayla Weathers wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> I’m taking a Spanish 1 class this semester in college and was curious >>>> as to the strategies that other blind students have used to be >>>> successful in foreign language courses. I have a Braille copy of the >>>> textbook and from what I have seen thus far, there doesn’t seem to be >>>> that many differences in Spanish and English Braille. The professor >>>> posts the majority of the assignments, quizzes, and tests for the >>>> course online. I know it is possible to configure JAWS to speak in >>>> Spanish, and have considered trying this to complete the online >>>> assignments however, since I have had no prior experience with Spanish >>>> I’m not sure how effective that particular strategy will prove to be. >>>> I’ve also considered the option of using a reader to complete the >>>> assignments. I was also wondering how to configure the Pacmate qx 400, >>>> so that I will be able to use it to complete assigned work in Spanish? >>>> Thanks, Kayla >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mary Fernandez >>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will >>> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them >>> feel." >>> — >>> Maya Angelou >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 16:51:08 2013 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel and Stockard) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:51:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign Languages - Hebrew In-Reply-To: <86CDFB8F-4E23-4151-BF60-FA7576FC668A@ymail.com> References: <3CC58392-7785-42D0-8A2F-9383BCD66252@gmail.com> <950A1A57-F3FF-4672-923E-4D11546305C4@gmail.com> <86CDFB8F-4E23-4151-BF60-FA7576FC668A@ymail.com> Message-ID: Hey, To my knowledge there's not a Hebrew language screen reader that I can find out there. I believe there is talk of Apple's voiceover adding several languages with the release of IOS7 here in a month or so, and my friends in Israel think Hebrew might be one of them. If it is, I'll be sure and let y'all know. If anybody else knows of a Hebrew solution for screen readers, please let me know. I've also been looking for one for a long time as I would like to increase my study of that language. Laurel On Aug 26, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Leye-Shprintse Öberg wrote: > BS"D > > Laurel, > > Actually, I wonder if you or someone else have got Jaws or VoiceOver to work with Hebrew? I don't need Hebrew speech but I would be very happy to be able to read Hebrew on some of my computers. I've never got Hebrew to work with Jaws, Jaws crashes when it come in contact with Jaws. Now, I'm getting Jaws 14 and maybe it'll work better. Can I get Hebrew Braille tables? What I understand it'll be built into Jaws but none in Sweden can help me get it to work. On my Apple products I can see some of the Hebrew letters but the Braille table isn't conplete? Do Hebrew work with NVDA? > > Kind regards, > Mlle. Leye-Shprintse Öberg > > Courriel : leyeshprintse at ymail.com > Journal : http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com > > Envoyé de mon iPad Mini > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 18:41:20 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:41:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions Message-ID: Hi NABS, I've just started working a campus job as a monitor in my music department's computer lab. I'm loving it so far, but I have a few questions for those who have had campus jobs and who are familiar with mac computers. First, a general question. I have a computer in the lab that has Windows duel-booted on it so I can use programs like JAWS, Lime from Dancing Dots, etc. The problem though is that as all the other computers are macs and part of my job is to try to fix computer problems as they arise, I need to at least learn some voiceover basics. Any materials you guys can steer me towards would be appreciated. Second, I am working out some of the accessibility and communication issues with my manager. We're trying to think of ways that I can have access to notes people leave about what they did in shifts before me so I can pick up where they left off. We are also trying to figure out a system that would allow me to leave notes about my work for the shift after me. So far our ideas include having whoever works the shifts before mine to email me their note and for me to put a sticky note with my information on the screen of my computer using the sticky note program. The person after me would just have to check my computer before doing their work, but that system is not full-proof as I work a closing shift one night a week and will not be able to log into the windows account the next morning for the person after me to see my note. Any other ideas would be appreciated. Some of the reading will also involve reading material on CDs and DVDs that I will be editting. We are also trying to find a fix for that as well as a way I can get that information to propperly file the material once it is done. Again, any ideas at all would be appreciated. -- Kaiti From joshkart12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 18:58:25 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:58:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good afternoon, if you're looking for mac resources, if you shoot me an email off list I can definitely get you hooked up with a couple lists. Second off, yes, sticky notes will work, you can write them and then paste them on the desktop on the OS 10 side, I don't believe these will work in Windows as such functionality, as far as I'm aware, is unsupported. Finally, if you're looking to read things off the CD or DVD, if your computer does not have an internal CD drive already there, you'll need to purchase an external one. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi NABS, > > I've just started working a campus job as a monitor in my music > department's computer lab. I'm loving it so far, but I have a few > questions for those who have had campus jobs and who are familiar with > mac computers. > > First, a general question. I have a computer in the lab that has > Windows duel-booted on it so I can use programs like JAWS, Lime from > Dancing Dots, etc. The problem though is that as all the other > computers are macs and part of my job is to try to fix computer > problems as they arise, I need to at least learn some voiceover > basics. Any materials you guys can steer me towards would be > appreciated. > > Second, I am working out some of the accessibility and communication > issues with my manager. We're trying to think of ways that I can have > access to notes people leave about what they did in shifts before me > so I can pick up where they left off. We are also trying to figure > out a system that would allow me to leave notes about my work for the > shift after me. So far our ideas include having whoever works the > shifts before mine to email me their note and for me to put a sticky > note with my information on the screen of my computer using the sticky > note program. The person after me would just have to check my > computer before doing their work, but that system is not full-proof as > I work a closing shift one night a week and will not be able to log > into the windows account the next morning for the person after me to > see my note. Any other ideas would be appreciated. > > Some of the reading will also involve reading material on CDs and DVDs > that I will be editting. We are also trying to find a fix for that as > well as a way I can get that information to propperly file the > material once it is done. > > Again, any ideas at all would be appreciated. > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 19:54:19 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:54:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] school book on my phone Message-ID: <521d041f.e6dfec0a.4db9.ffffa38f@mx.google.com> I know this is common for many of you, but I've never experienced it, so I'm looking for advice. One of my summer reading books could only be accessed through the kindle app on my iPhone. The teacher wants us to bring the book in so we can reference it for assignments. We need to be skim it and find certain things in certain chapters. How do I do this when the book is in audio format? I know this may be a dumb question, but I'm in high school and have never dealt with this before. Any help/advice would be majorly appreciated. Sincerely, Sophie From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 20:08:39 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:08:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions Message-ID: <521d077b.6649ec0a.2bac.ffffa22e@mx.google.com> Kaiti, I have pasted below a link to an accessible Mac VoiceOver user guide. I hope this helps you in your job. I also suggest joining the accesible-mac list. I don't know what the subscription address is, but it's on freelists and I'm sure you can find it. The link is: http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/ind ex.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton Hi all, I have a few questions. How would I activate the insert key in order to use it to creat links list and other shortcuts? I have tried selecting insert key mode in the jaws settings but this has not seemed to work. Also, when I am on a webpage, multiple links are displayed on each line. Is there a setting I can change so that each line only contains one link? Any help would be appreciated. Danielle From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 20:28:35 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (Minhh Ha) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:28:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions In-Reply-To: <521d077b.6649ec0a.2bac.ffffa22e@mx.google.com> References: <521d077b.6649ec0a.2bac.ffffa22e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Kaiti, Could you possibly print out your notes and leave it at your computer station? Or why not do what the person ahead of you is going to do and just email them directly with the notes. Minh Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Kaiti, I have pasted below a link to an accessible Mac VoiceOver user guide. I hope this helps you in your job. I also suggest joining the accesible-mac list. I don't know what the subscription address is, but it's on freelists and I'm sure you can find it. The link is: http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/ind > ex.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:41:20 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions > > Hi NABS, > > I've just started working a campus job as a monitor in my music > department's computer lab. I'm loving it so far, but I have a few > questions for those who have had campus jobs and who are familiar with > mac computers. > > First, a general question. I have a computer in the lab that has > Windows duel-booted on it so I can use programs like JAWS, Lime from > Dancing Dots, etc. The problem though is that as all the other > computers are macs and part of my job is to try to fix computer > problems as they arise, I need to at least learn some voiceover > basics. Any materials you guys can steer me towards would be > appreciated. > > Second, I am working out some of the accessibility and communication > issues with my manager. We're trying to think of ways that I can have > access to notes people leave about what they did in shifts before me > so I can pick up where they left off. We are also trying to figure > out a system that would allow me to leave notes about my work for the > shift after me. So far our ideas include having whoever works the > shifts before mine to email me their note and for me to put a sticky > note with my information on the screen of my computer using the sticky > note program. The person after me would just have to check my > computer before doing their work, but that system is not full-proof as > I work a closing shift one night a week and will not be able to log > into the windows account the next morning for the person after me to > see my note. Any other ideas would be appreciated. > > Some of the reading will also involve reading material on CDs and DVDs > that I will be editting. We are also trying to find a fix for that as > well as a way I can get that information to propperly file the > material once it is done. > > Again, any ideas at all would be appreciated. > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 20:35:13 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:35:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you using a standard keyboard or a laptop keyboard? Greg Aikens, M. Ed. Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired Cobb County School District gpaikens at gmail.com On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Danielle Sykora wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a few questions. How would I activate the insert key in order > to use it to creat links list and other shortcuts? I have tried > selecting insert key mode in the jaws settings but this has not seemed > to work. > > Also, when I am on a webpage, multiple links are displayed on each > line. Is there a setting I can change so that each line only contains > one link? > Any help would be appreciated. > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From dsykora29 at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 20:54:21 2013 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:54:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am using a laptop keyboard. On 8/27/13, Greg Aikens wrote: > Are you using a standard keyboard or a laptop keyboard? > Greg Aikens, M. Ed. > Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired > Cobb County School District > gpaikens at gmail.com > > > > On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Danielle Sykora wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I have a few questions. How would I activate the insert key in order >> to use it to creat links list and other shortcuts? I have tried >> selecting insert key mode in the jaws settings but this has not seemed >> to work. >> >> Also, when I am on a webpage, multiple links are displayed on each >> line. Is there a setting I can change so that each line only contains >> one link? >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Danielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Tue Aug 27 22:08:43 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:08:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How To make Voice Over Speak Spanish Language Message-ID: Hi Laurel, How are you? I just wanted to ask you, how do you make Voice Over to speak an Spanish language? I just would like to know since I'm from Peru and speak Spanish. And also because I'm going to be taking an Spanish CLEP exam next year at my college. And I just would like to review. Thanks and God bless! :-) Sincerely, Helga Schreiber Sent from my iPhone From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Tue Aug 27 23:41:00 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:41:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs Message-ID: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the saga of me and Rehab. I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of my contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I think I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any ideas for this: 1. The counselor must be changed. 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking and the like. 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious for being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially biased, do you think this is good? Thanks you all, Beth Taurasi From dwebster125 at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 23:44:07 2013 From: dwebster125 at gmail.com (Dave Webster) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:44:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003101cea37f$536f4be0$fa4de3a0$@gmail.com> Hey beth my name is Dave. This is unrelated but you're from Colorado. I have some friends in Colorado. Todd and Lealia Struve. Do you know them? Maybe they could help you. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the saga of me and Rehab. I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of my contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I think I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any ideas for this: 1. The counselor must be changed. 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking and the like. 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious for being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially biased, do you think this is good? Thanks you all, Beth Taurasi _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Tue Aug 27 23:52:25 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:52:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <003101cea37f$536f4be0$fa4de3a0$@gmail.com> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> <003101cea37f$536f4be0$fa4de3a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <521D3BB9.8060005@comcast.net> On 8/27/2013 5:44 PM, Dave Webster wrote: > Hey beth my name is Dave. This is unrelated but you're from Colorado. I > have some friends in Colorado. Todd and Lealia Struve. Do you know them? > Maybe they could help you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs > > Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the saga > of me and Rehab. > I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any > Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording > there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have > contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of my > contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I think > I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any > ideas for this: > 1. The counselor must be changed. > 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided for > all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. > 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we > need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, > networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so > they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that > would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd > chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind > people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking > and the like. > 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a > racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote > that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be > Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am > already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my > counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and > didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more > thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal > that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them > for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. > This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a > whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the > social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious for > being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially biased, do > you think this is good? > Thanks you all, > Beth Taurasi > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > Oh, ... wait a sec, I've seen them on FB sometimes. I don't know those folks. Thanks. Beth P.S. I'm extremely sorry if the topic is not related. Students should know how to navigate the DVR system if college is denied them over and over, especially if a doc gets involved. From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Tue Aug 27 23:58:53 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:58:53 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <521D3BB9.8060005@comcast.net> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> <003101cea37f$536f4be0$fa4de3a0$@gmail.com>, <521D3BB9.8060005@comcast.net> Message-ID: Beth, why is your message getting to the bottom of the E-Mail again? Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Beth Taurasi [denverqueen1107 at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs On 8/27/2013 5:44 PM, Dave Webster wrote: > Hey beth my name is Dave. This is unrelated but you're from Colorado. I > have some friends in Colorado. Todd and Lealia Struve. Do you know them? > Maybe they could help you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs > > Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the saga > of me and Rehab. > I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any > Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording > there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have > contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of my > contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I think > I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any > ideas for this: > 1. The counselor must be changed. > 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided for > all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. > 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we > need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, > networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so > they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that > would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd > chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind > people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking > and the like. > 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a > racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote > that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be > Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am > already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my > counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and > didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more > thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal > that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them > for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. > This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a > whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the > social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious for > being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially biased, do > you think this is good? > Thanks you all, > Beth Taurasi > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > Oh, ... wait a sec, I've seen them on FB sometimes. I don't know those folks. Thanks. Beth P.S. I'm extremely sorry if the topic is not related. Students should know how to navigate the DVR system if college is denied them over and over, especially if a doc gets involved. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 23:59:03 2013 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (blackbyrdfly at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:59:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54442043-9B4A-4388-90B1-BF5A5562A2E1@gmail.com> I'm not even going to try to cover all of this here. I just wanted to point out that EVERYONE is on that wait list, and it has nothing to do with you. I've been on it for over a year now and have had to pay my tuition for the past year out of pocket and start looking for a survival job to stay in school. You can't just get magically bumped to the front of the queue for no related reason. You have to wait for funds to become available just like the rest of us. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Beth Taurasi wrote: > Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the saga of me and Rehab. > I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of my contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I think I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any ideas for this: > 1. The counselor must be changed. > 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. > 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking and the like. > 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. > This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious for being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially biased, do you think this is good? > Thanks you all, > Beth Taurasi > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Wed Aug 28 00:02:12 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:02:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> <003101cea37f$536f4be0$fa4de3a0$@gmail.com>, <521D3BB9.8060005@comcast.net> Message-ID: <521D3E04.40107@comcast.net> On 8/27/2013 5:58 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Beth, why is your message getting to the bottom of the E-Mail again? > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Beth Taurasi [denverqueen1107 at comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs > > On 8/27/2013 5:44 PM, Dave Webster wrote: >> Hey beth my name is Dave. This is unrelated but you're from Colorado. I >> have some friends in Colorado. Todd and Lealia Struve. Do you know them? >> Maybe they could help you. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:41 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs >> >> Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the saga >> of me and Rehab. >> I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any >> Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording >> there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have >> contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of my >> contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I think >> I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any >> ideas for this: >> 1. The counselor must be changed. >> 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided for >> all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. >> 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we >> need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, >> networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so >> they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that >> would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd >> chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind >> people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking >> and the like. >> 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a >> racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote >> that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be >> Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am >> already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my >> counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and >> didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more >> thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal >> that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them >> for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. >> This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a >> whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the >> social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious for >> being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially biased, do >> you think this is good? >> Thanks you all, >> Beth Taurasi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net >> > Oh, ... wait a sec, I've seen them on FB sometimes. I don't know those > folks. Thanks. > Beth > P.S. I'm extremely sorry if the topic is not related. Students should > know how to navigate the DVR system if college is denied them over and > over, especially if a doc gets involved. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > I have the most recent on top. Haha. :) Beth From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Wed Aug 28 00:03:55 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:03:55 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <54442043-9B4A-4388-90B1-BF5A5562A2E1@gmail.com> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> <54442043-9B4A-4388-90B1-BF5A5562A2E1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <521D3E6B.5070306@comcast.net> On 8/27/2013 5:59 PM, blackbyrdfly at gmail.com wrote: > I'm not even going to try to cover all of this here. I just wanted to point out that EVERYONE is on that wait list, and it has nothing to do with you. I've been on it for over a year now and have had to pay my tuition for the past year out of pocket and start looking for a survival job to stay in school. You can't just get magically bumped to the front of the queue for no related reason. You have to wait for funds to become available just like the rest of us. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Beth Taurasi wrote: > >> Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the saga of me and Rehab. >> I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of my contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I think I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any ideas for this: >> 1. The counselor must be changed. >> 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. >> 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking and the like. >> 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. >> This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious for being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially biased, do you think this is good? >> Thanks you all, >> Beth Taurasi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > I understand that much, but hey're doing things with me on the wait list that are custodial in nature, and I hate it. That's just what the deal is. Beth From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 00:08:24 2013 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (blackbyrdfly at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:08:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <521D3E6B.5070306@comcast.net> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> <54442043-9B4A-4388-90B1-BF5A5562A2E1@gmail.com> <521D3E6B.5070306@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3B996111-3B8E-4838-9245-9C1538A878F1@gmail.com> What things in particular? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Beth Taurasi wrote: > On 8/27/2013 5:59 PM, blackbyrdfly at gmail.com wrote: >> I'm not even going to try to cover all of this here. I just wanted to point out that EVERYONE is on that wait list, and it has nothing to do with you. I've been on it for over a year now and have had to pay my tuition for the past year out of pocket and start looking for a survival job to stay in school. You can't just get magically bumped to the front of the queue for no related reason. You have to wait for funds to become available just like the rest of us. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Beth Taurasi wrote: >> >>> Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the saga of me and Rehab. >>> I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of my contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I think I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any ideas for this: >>> 1. The counselor must be changed. >>> 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. >>> 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking and the like. >>> 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. >>> This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious for being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially biased, do you think this is good? >>> Thanks you all, >>> Beth Taurasi >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > I understand that much, but hey're doing things with me on the wait list that are custodial in nature, and I hate it. That's just what the deal is. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Wed Aug 28 00:13:50 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:13:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update: Labor Department Announces Final Rules to Improve Employment of Veterans, People with Disabilities Message-ID: > >--- Forwarded Message --- > >From: Disability.gov [mailto:disability.gov at service.govdelivery.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:11 PM >Subject: Disability.gov Update: Labor Department >Announces Final Rules to Improve Employment of >Veterans, People with Disabilities > > > > >Labor >Department Announces Final Rules to Improve >Employment of Veterans, People with Disabilities > > > > > >OFCCP > > > > >The U.S. Department of Labor has announced two >final rules to improve hiring and employment of >veterans and people with disabilities. One rule >updates requirements under the Vietnam Era >Veterans’ >Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974; the other >updates those under >Section >503 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973. The >Section 503 rule introduces a hiring goal for >federal contractors and subcontractors that 7 >percent of each job group in their workforce be >qualified individuals with disabilities. > > > > >Bookmark and Share > > >Having trouble viewing this email? >View >it as a Web page. > >---------- > >Disability.gov Logo > > >Questions about the subscription service? >Contact Us > >STAY CONNECTED: > > >Visit us on Facebook > > > >Visit us on Twitter > > > >Sign up for email updates > > > >Blog > > > >Link to Us > > > >Widget > > > >RSS > > > > >SUBSCRIBER SERVICES: >Manage >Preferences | >Unsubscribe >| Help > >---------- >This email was sent to >jamal.mazrui at fcc.gov > using GovDelivery, on behalf of: >Disability.gov · 200 Constitution Avenue, NW · Washington, DC 20210 From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Wed Aug 28 00:18:08 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:18:08 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Update: Labor Department Announces Final Rules to Improve Employment of Veterans, People with Disabilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Only 7%? That's a step in the right direction, but we need more! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of David Andrews [dandrews at visi.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:13 PM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Update: Labor Department Announces Final Rules to Improve Employment of Veterans, People with Disabilities > >--- Forwarded Message --- > >From: Disability.gov [mailto:disability.gov at service.govdelivery.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:11 PM >Subject: Disability.gov Update: Labor Department >Announces Final Rules to Improve Employment of >Veterans, People with Disabilities > > > > >Labor >Department Announces Final Rules to Improve >Employment of Veterans, People with Disabilities > > > > > >OFCCP > > > > >The U.S. Department of Labor has announced two >final rules to improve hiring and employment of >veterans and people with disabilities. One rule >updates requirements under the Vietnam Era >Veterans’ >Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974; the other >updates those under >Section >503 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973. The >Section 503 rule introduces a hiring goal for >federal contractors and subcontractors that 7 >percent of each job group in their workforce be >qualified individuals with disabilities. > > > > >Bookmark and Share > > >Having trouble viewing this email? >View >it as a Web page. > >---------- > >Disability.gov Logo > > >Questions about the subscription service? >Contact Us > >STAY CONNECTED: > > >Visit us on Facebook > > > >Visit us on Twitter > > > >Sign up for email updates > > > >Blog > > > >Link to Us > > > >Widget > > > >RSS > > > > >SUBSCRIBER SERVICES: >Manage >Preferences | >Unsubscribe >| Help > >---------- >This email was sent to >jamal.mazrui at fcc.gov > using GovDelivery, on behalf of: >Disability.gov · 200 Constitution Avenue, NW · Washington, DC 20210 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From sgermano at asu.edu Wed Aug 28 00:47:56 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:47:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> Message-ID: I filed an official appeal that got thier attention and suddenly what I requested was not against policy. On Tuesday, August 27, 2013, Beth Taurasi wrote: > Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the > saga of me and Rehab. > I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any > Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording > there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have > contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of > my contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I > think I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone > has any ideas for this: > 1. The counselor must be changed. > 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided > for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. > 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we > need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, > networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so > they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that > would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd > chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind > people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking > and the like. > 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a > racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote > that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be > Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am > already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my > counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and > didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more > thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal > that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them > for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. > This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a > whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the > social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious > for being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially > biased, do you think this is good? > Thanks you all, > Beth Taurasi > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 01:02:42 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:02:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <54442043-9B4A-4388-90B1-BF5A5562A2E1@gmail.com> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> <54442043-9B4A-4388-90B1-BF5A5562A2E1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006101cea38a$4d8e9f90$e8abdeb0$@gmail.com> As a college student you got put on that waiting list? I've never seen college students have to be on the waiting list if they put their request in at a reasonable amount of time like the year before. Are you in the same state as Beth? You might want to look in to filing a cap claim yourself. I'm not trying to be critical or anything, but I've worked at an agency before, I've seen the process be speeded up when they needed to be, like when someone filed a claim. A year is too long. Don't worry about the list; make your own list with you at the front, and at the back. You got to get what you need to get. I'm not trying to say that you or anyone else should be obnoxious and impatient, but sometimes the system has to be pushed a little bit. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs I'm not even going to try to cover all of this here. I just wanted to point out that EVERYONE is on that wait list, and it has nothing to do with you. I've been on it for over a year now and have had to pay my tuition for the past year out of pocket and start looking for a survival job to stay in school. You can't just get magically bumped to the front of the queue for no related reason. You have to wait for funds to become available just like the rest of us. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Beth Taurasi wrote: > Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the saga of me and Rehab. > I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of my contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I think I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any ideas for this: > 1. The counselor must be changed. > 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. > 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking and the like. > 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. > This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious for being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially biased, do you think this is good? > Thanks you all, > Beth Taurasi > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 01:04:41 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:04:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <521D3BB9.8060005@comcast.net> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> <003101cea37f$536f4be0$fa4de3a0$@gmail.com> <521D3BB9.8060005@comcast.net> Message-ID: <006201cea38a$943049d0$bc90dd70$@gmail.com> I'm not sure about how to handle that other than to file a claim. Write averything up as a report in your own words so you can at least have reference to that. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs On 8/27/2013 5:44 PM, Dave Webster wrote: > Hey beth my name is Dave. This is unrelated but you're from Colorado. > I have some friends in Colorado. Todd and Lealia Struve. Do you know them? > Maybe they could help you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth > Taurasi > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs > > Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in > the saga of me and Rehab. > I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any > Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the > miswording there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two > messages, and have contacts else where and around the U.S. I can > reach, but it seems none of my contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I > don't know what to do next. I think I'm going to see about resolving > the issue like this, see if anyone has any ideas for this: > 1. The counselor must be changed. > 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be > provided for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. > 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this > plan, we need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like > web design, networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT > certification from CISCO, so they should ideally pay for something > accessible and not something that would require too much paying in > advance accommodations and such. I'd chosen CISCO Academy of the > Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind people and teaches all > the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking and the like. > 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a > racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc > wrote that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, > "pretending to be Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked > of his license. I am already thinking about actions to take against > the doc because Richele, my counselor current, has the copy that says > I was pretending to be Arab and didn't think to shred and get a copy > without the Arab comments. One more thing in the resolution, if they > refuse to put together an employment goal that I write for myself, > then I will drop the case with them and sue them for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. > This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as > a whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since > the social skills group isn't available and since this provider is > notorious for being not only white/American biased but sighted and > custodially biased, do you think this is good? > Thanks you all, > Beth Taurasi > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40 > comcast.net > Oh, ... wait a sec, I've seen them on FB sometimes. I don't know those folks. Thanks. Beth P.S. I'm extremely sorry if the topic is not related. Students should know how to navigate the DVR system if college is denied them over and over, especially if a doc gets involved. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 01:09:18 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:09:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007f01cea38b$397c1d60$ac745820$@gmail.com> For a lpa top, the caps lock key is used for the insert key. I don't know how to fix the links problem. Another solution is that you could plug in a normal keyboars. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws questions I am using a laptop keyboard. On 8/27/13, Greg Aikens wrote: > Are you using a standard keyboard or a laptop keyboard? > Greg Aikens, M. Ed. > Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired Cobb County > School District gpaikens at gmail.com > > > > On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Danielle Sykora wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I have a few questions. How would I activate the insert key in order >> to use it to creat links list and other shortcuts? I have tried >> selecting insert key mode in the jaws settings but this has not >> seemed to work. >> >> Also, when I am on a webpage, multiple links are displayed on each >> line. Is there a setting I can change so that each line only contains >> one link? >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Danielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail. >> com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 01:09:30 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:09:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008001cea38b$414e1160$c3ea3420$@gmail.com> Ineant to say keyboard. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws questions I am using a laptop keyboard. On 8/27/13, Greg Aikens wrote: > Are you using a standard keyboard or a laptop keyboard? > Greg Aikens, M. Ed. > Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired Cobb County > School District gpaikens at gmail.com > > > > On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Danielle Sykora wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I have a few questions. How would I activate the insert key in order >> to use it to creat links list and other shortcuts? I have tried >> selecting insert key mode in the jaws settings but this has not >> seemed to work. >> >> Also, when I am on a webpage, multiple links are displayed on each >> line. Is there a setting I can change so that each line only contains >> one link? >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Danielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail. >> com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 01:21:29 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:21:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] descriptive videos Message-ID: <009701cea38c$ed1469d0$c73d3d70$@gmail.com> I've got a movie review assignment for class? Where is the best place for me to get descriptive movies from?? From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Wed Aug 28 01:31:51 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:31:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] descriptive videos Message-ID: Two web resources. You can download the movies and get trojans on your computer provided you don't have a pro Sendspace account from Sendspace. The website is www.blindmicemart.com. It's Blind Mice Megamall. They have a movie vault for members only so it's all free, just sign up with an email and password. Another good site is jeff.vrnw.org, whih doesn't require the account and all movies are in ogg format, which is higher quality. No trojans, no sendspace, just hit Applications, then save as, and it takes you from there. Hth, Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams" References: Message-ID: The blank message generally means that the pdf contains the image of a printed page, a picture of text, not the text itself. Others have made suggestions, basically you or somebody has to do optical character recognition on the document, to extract the text. Dave At 01:02 AM 8/27/2013, you wrote: >Hi NABS, > >Can you guys suggest a pdf converter to me. My professor has posted a >resource on a website in pdf. when I am trying to open it it gives me >the message "Alert Empty document". Any help would be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Tamika Williams From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Wed Aug 28 01:47:34 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:47:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <006201cea38a$943049d0$bc90dd70$@gmail.com> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> <003101cea37f$536f4be0$fa4de3a0$@gmail.com> <521D3BB9.8060005@comcast.net> <006201cea38a$943049d0$bc90dd70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <521D56B6.6060906@comcast.net> On 8/27/2013 7:04 PM, justin williams wrote: > I'm not sure about how to handle that other than to file a claim. Write > averything up as a report in your own words so you can at least have > reference to that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs > > On 8/27/2013 5:44 PM, Dave Webster wrote: >> Hey beth my name is Dave. This is unrelated but you're from Colorado. >> I have some friends in Colorado. Todd and Lealia Struve. Do you know > them? >> Maybe they could help you. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth >> Taurasi >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:41 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs >> >> Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in >> the saga of me and Rehab. >> I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any >> Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the >> miswording there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two >> messages, and have contacts else where and around the U.S. I can >> reach, but it seems none of my contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I >> don't know what to do next. I think I'm going to see about resolving >> the issue like this, see if anyone has any ideas for this: >> 1. The counselor must be changed. >> 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be >> provided for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. >> 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this >> plan, we need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like >> web design, networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT >> certification from CISCO, so they should ideally pay for something >> accessible and not something that would require too much paying in >> advance accommodations and such. I'd chosen CISCO Academy of the >> Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind people and teaches all >> the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking and the like. >> 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a >> racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc >> wrote that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, >> "pretending to be Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked >> of his license. I am already thinking about actions to take against >> the doc because Richele, my counselor current, has the copy that says >> I was pretending to be Arab and didn't think to shred and get a copy >> without the Arab comments. One more thing in the resolution, if they >> refuse to put together an employment goal that I write for myself, >> then I will drop the case with them and sue them for lost wages and > compensatory damages related to racial profiling. >> This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as >> a whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since >> the social skills group isn't available and since this provider is >> notorious for being not only white/American biased but sighted and >> custodially biased, do you think this is good? >> Thanks you all, >> Beth Taurasi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmai >> l.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40 >> comcast.net >> > Oh, ... wait a sec, I've seen them on FB sometimes. I don't know those > folks. Thanks. > Beth > P.S. I'm extremely sorry if the topic is not related. Students should know > how to navigate the DVR system if college is denied them over and over, > especially if a doc gets involved. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > I'll get a file of the report itself, so I can write a summary in my own words covering the whole thing. Beth From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 01:49:53 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:49:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <521D56B6.6060906@comcast.net> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> <003101cea37f$536f4be0$fa4de3a0$@gmail.com> <521D3BB9.8060005@comcast.net> <006201cea38a$943049d0$bc90dd70$@gmail.com> <521D56B6.6060906@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00a901cea390$e48124d0$ad836e70$@gmail.com> Nothing in this message that I could see. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:48 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs On 8/27/2013 7:04 PM, justin williams wrote: > I'm not sure about how to handle that other than to file a claim. > Write averything up as a report in your own words so you can at least > have reference to that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth > Taurasi > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs > > On 8/27/2013 5:44 PM, Dave Webster wrote: >> Hey beth my name is Dave. This is unrelated but you're from Colorado. >> I have some friends in Colorado. Todd and Lealia Struve. Do you >> know > them? >> Maybe they could help you. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth >> Taurasi >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:41 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs >> >> Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in >> the saga of me and Rehab. >> I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any >> Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the >> miswording there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two >> messages, and have contacts else where and around the U.S. I can >> reach, but it seems none of my contacts will get back to me. Shoot, >> I don't know what to do next. I think I'm going to see about >> resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any ideas for this: >> 1. The counselor must be changed. >> 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be >> provided for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. >> 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this >> plan, we need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like >> web design, networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT >> certification from CISCO, so they should ideally pay for something >> accessible and not something that would require too much paying in >> advance accommodations and such. I'd chosen CISCO Academy of the >> Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind people and teaches >> all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking and the like. >> 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if >> a racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc >> wrote that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, >> "pretending to be Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be >> revoked of his license. I am already thinking about actions to take >> against the doc because Richele, my counselor current, has the copy >> that says I was pretending to be Arab and didn't think to shred and >> get a copy without the Arab comments. One more thing in the >> resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal that I >> write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them >> for lost wages and > compensatory damages related to racial profiling. >> This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public >> as a whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask >> since the social skills group isn't available and since this provider >> is notorious for being not only white/American biased but sighted and >> custodially biased, do you think this is good? >> Thanks you all, >> Beth Taurasi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gma >> i >> l.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%4 >> 0 >> comcast.net >> > Oh, ... wait a sec, I've seen them on FB sometimes. I don't know > those folks. Thanks. > Beth > P.S. I'm extremely sorry if the topic is not related. Students should > know how to navigate the DVR system if college is denied them over and > over, especially if a doc gets involved. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40 > comcast.net > I'll get a file of the report itself, so I can write a summary in my own words covering the whole thing. Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From dsykora29 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 01:55:38 2013 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:55:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws questions In-Reply-To: <008001cea38b$414e1160$c3ea3420$@gmail.com> References: <008001cea38b$414e1160$c3ea3420$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21DC7BAD-60CE-4975-8F9A-DDED02094CD3@gmail.com> I know the capslock key acts as the insert key on a laptop; however, on my previous laptops I had to activate it somehow before it would start working that way. I'm not sure how I did this though. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2013, at 9:09 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > Ineant to say keyboard. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws questions > > I am using a laptop keyboard. > > On 8/27/13, Greg Aikens wrote: >> Are you using a standard keyboard or a laptop keyboard? >> Greg Aikens, M. Ed. >> Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired Cobb County >> School District gpaikens at gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Danielle Sykora wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a few questions. How would I activate the insert key in order >>> to use it to creat links list and other shortcuts? I have tried >>> selecting insert key mode in the jaws settings but this has not >>> seemed to work. >>> >>> Also, when I am on a webpage, multiple links are displayed on each >>> line. Is there a setting I can change so that each line only contains >>> one link? >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> Danielle >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail. >>> com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail. >> com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 01:57:15 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:57:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws questions In-Reply-To: <21DC7BAD-60CE-4975-8F9A-DDED02094CD3@gmail.com> References: <008001cea38b$414e1160$c3ea3420$@gmail.com> <21DC7BAD-60CE-4975-8F9A-DDED02094CD3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ac01cea391$ebe2ae50$c3a80af0$@gmail.com> Wow, I have never heard of that. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws questions I know the capslock key acts as the insert key on a laptop; however, on my previous laptops I had to activate it somehow before it would start working that way. I'm not sure how I did this though. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2013, at 9:09 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > Ineant to say keyboard. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle > Sykora > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws questions > > I am using a laptop keyboard. > > On 8/27/13, Greg Aikens wrote: >> Are you using a standard keyboard or a laptop keyboard? >> Greg Aikens, M. Ed. >> Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired Cobb County >> School District gpaikens at gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Danielle Sykora wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a few questions. How would I activate the insert key in order >>> to use it to creat links list and other shortcuts? I have tried >>> selecting insert key mode in the jaws settings but this has not >>> seemed to work. >>> >>> Also, when I am on a webpage, multiple links are displayed on each >>> line. Is there a setting I can change so that each line only >>> contains one link? >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> Danielle >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail. >>> com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail. >> com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail. > com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Wed Aug 28 02:01:53 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:01:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <00a901cea390$e48124d0$ad836e70$@gmail.com> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> <003101cea37f$536f4be0$fa4de3a0$@gmail.com> <521D3BB9.8060005@comcast.net> <006201cea38a$943049d0$bc90dd70$@gmail.com> <521D56B6.6060906@comcast.net> <00a901cea390$e48124d0$ad836e70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <521D5A11.5000804@comcast.net> On 8/27/2013 7:49 PM, justin williams wrote: > Nothing in this message that I could see. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs > > On 8/27/2013 7:04 PM, justin williams wrote: >> I'm not sure about how to handle that other than to file a claim. >> Write averything up as a report in your own words so you can at least >> have reference to that. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth >> Taurasi >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:52 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs >> >> On 8/27/2013 5:44 PM, Dave Webster wrote: >>> Hey beth my name is Dave. This is unrelated but you're from Colorado. >>> I have some friends in Colorado. Todd and Lealia Struve. Do you >>> know >> them? >>> Maybe they could help you. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth >>> Taurasi >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:41 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs >>> >>> Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in >>> the saga of me and Rehab. >>> I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any >>> Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the >>> miswording there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two >>> messages, and have contacts else where and around the U.S. I can >>> reach, but it seems none of my contacts will get back to me. Shoot, >>> I don't know what to do next. I think I'm going to see about >>> resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any ideas for this: >>> 1. The counselor must be changed. >>> 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be >>> provided for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the > plans. >>> 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this >>> plan, we need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like >>> web design, networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT >>> certification from CISCO, so they should ideally pay for something >>> accessible and not something that would require too much paying in >>> advance accommodations and such. I'd chosen CISCO Academy of the >>> Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind people and teaches >>> all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking and the like. >>> 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if >>> a racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc >>> wrote that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, >>> "pretending to be Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be >>> revoked of his license. I am already thinking about actions to take >>> against the doc because Richele, my counselor current, has the copy >>> that says I was pretending to be Arab and didn't think to shred and >>> get a copy without the Arab comments. One more thing in the >>> resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal that I >>> write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them >>> for lost wages and >> compensatory damages related to racial profiling. >>> This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public >>> as a whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask >>> since the social skills group isn't available and since this provider >>> is notorious for being not only white/American biased but sighted and >>> custodially biased, do you think this is good? >>> Thanks you all, >>> Beth Taurasi >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gma >>> i >>> l.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%4 >>> 0 >>> comcast.net >>> >> Oh, ... wait a sec, I've seen them on FB sometimes. I don't know >> those folks. Thanks. >> Beth >> P.S. I'm extremely sorry if the topic is not related. Students should >> know how to navigate the DVR system if college is denied them over and >> over, especially if a doc gets involved. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40 >> comcast.net >> > I'll get a file of the report itself, so I can write a summary in my own > words covering the whole thing. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > Oops. Idk what happened. I'll do a report summary. Beth From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 02:05:00 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (Minhh Ha) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 22:05:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws questions In-Reply-To: <21DC7BAD-60CE-4975-8F9A-DDED02094CD3@gmail.com> References: <008001cea38b$414e1160$c3ea3420$@gmail.com> <21DC7BAD-60CE-4975-8F9A-DDED02094CD3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Danielle, If you go into your jaws options menu, and hit enter on basics, you can tab over to where it says "use keyboard layout." Arrow down to laptop and the caps lock key should work as the insert key. HTH, Minh Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Danielle Sykora wrote: > I know the capslock key acts as the insert key on a laptop; however, on my previous laptops I had to activate it somehow before it would start working that way. I'm not sure how I did this though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 27, 2013, at 9:09 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > >> Ineant to say keyboard. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:54 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws questions >> >> I am using a laptop keyboard. >> >> On 8/27/13, Greg Aikens wrote: >>> Are you using a standard keyboard or a laptop keyboard? >>> Greg Aikens, M. Ed. >>> Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired Cobb County >>> School District gpaikens at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Danielle Sykora wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I have a few questions. How would I activate the insert key in order >>>> to use it to creat links list and other shortcuts? I have tried >>>> selecting insert key mode in the jaws settings but this has not >>>> seemed to work. >>>> >>>> Also, when I am on a webpage, multiple links are displayed on each >>>> line. Is there a setting I can change so that each line only contains >>>> one link? >>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>> Danielle >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail. >>>> com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail. >>> com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 02:16:19 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 22:16:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws questions In-Reply-To: References: <008001cea38b$414e1160$c3ea3420$@gmail.com> <21DC7BAD-60CE-4975-8F9A-DDED02094CD3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b301cea394$9627c880$c2775980$@gmail.com> Yeah, check that; I concur. I would have thought that since it was a laptop that part would be set already, but maybe not. I've never just loaded jaws onto a laptop and then used it like that. Try the jaws basics. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Minhh Ha Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws questions Danielle, If you go into your jaws options menu, and hit enter on basics, you can tab over to where it says "use keyboard layout." Arrow down to laptop and the caps lock key should work as the insert key. HTH, Minh Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Danielle Sykora wrote: > I know the capslock key acts as the insert key on a laptop; however, on my previous laptops I had to activate it somehow before it would start working that way. I'm not sure how I did this though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 27, 2013, at 9:09 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > >> Ineant to say keyboard. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle >> Sykora >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:54 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws questions >> >> I am using a laptop keyboard. >> >> On 8/27/13, Greg Aikens wrote: >>> Are you using a standard keyboard or a laptop keyboard? >>> Greg Aikens, M. Ed. >>> Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired Cobb County >>> School District gpaikens at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Danielle Sykora wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I have a few questions. How would I activate the insert key in >>>> order to use it to creat links list and other shortcuts? I have >>>> tried selecting insert key mode in the jaws settings but this has >>>> not seemed to work. >>>> >>>> Also, when I am on a webpage, multiple links are displayed on each >>>> line. Is there a setting I can change so that each line only >>>> contains one link? >>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>> Danielle >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail. >>>> com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail. >>> com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >> 40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail >> .com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail > .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 03:19:43 2013 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (blackbyrdfly at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:19:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <006101cea38a$4d8e9f90$e8abdeb0$@gmail.com> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> <54442043-9B4A-4388-90B1-BF5A5562A2E1@gmail.com> <006101cea38a$4d8e9f90$e8abdeb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47527913-135F-4D32-A3AD-E7EE1F4F35F9@gmail.com> Yes, we're both in CO. Yes, the list is primarily college students who registered after a certain date. The reason given was that the agency's funding was cut and there is a very large number of students who applied for services after the cut. Blind students have high priority (the agency is not restricted to serving blind people, it handles all disabilities) but other than that its just a waiting game. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:02 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > As a college student you got put on that waiting list? I've never seen > college students have to be on the waiting list if they put their request in > at a reasonable amount of time like the year before. Are you in the same > state as Beth? You might want to look in to filing a cap claim yourself. > I'm not trying to be critical or anything, but I've worked at an agency > before, I've seen the process be speeded up when they needed to be, like > when someone filed a claim. A year is too long. Don't worry about the > list; make your own list with you at the front, and at the back. You got to > get what you need to get. I'm not trying to say that you or anyone else > should be obnoxious and impatient, but sometimes the system has to be pushed > a little bit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > blackbyrdfly at gmail.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs > > I'm not even going to try to cover all of this here. I just wanted to point > out that EVERYONE is on that wait list, and it has nothing to do with you. > I've been on it for over a year now and have had to pay my tuition for the > past year out of pocket and start looking for a survival job to stay in > school. You can't just get magically bumped to the front of the queue for no > related reason. You have to wait for funds to become available just like the > rest of us. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Beth Taurasi > wrote: > >> Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the > saga of me and Rehab. >> I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any > Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording > there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have > contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of my > contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I think > I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any > ideas for this: >> 1. The counselor must be changed. >> 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided > for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. >> 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we > need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, > networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so > they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that > would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd > chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind > people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking > and the like. >> 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a > racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote > that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be > Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am > already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my > counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and > didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more > thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal > that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them > for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. >> This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a > whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the > social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious for > being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially biased, do > you think this is good? >> Thanks you all, >> Beth Taurasi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 13:36:13 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:36:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] google chrome Message-ID: <001e01cea3f3$912f4e20$b38dea60$@gmail.com> Is google chrome accessible for jaws? If so, where are the shortcuts or some such for me to study? Are their other google products that are accessible such as google docs and googld drive? From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Wed Aug 28 13:51:12 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:51:12 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] google chrome In-Reply-To: <001e01cea3f3$912f4e20$b38dea60$@gmail.com> References: <001e01cea3f3$912f4e20$b38dea60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Justin: What version of Jaws do you have? With 10, and 11, no it's not accessible! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:36 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] google chrome Is google chrome accessible for jaws? If so, where are the shortcuts or some such for me to study? Are their other google products that are accessible such as google docs and googld drive? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 13:52:21 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:52:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] google chrome In-Reply-To: References: <001e01cea3f3$912f4e20$b38dea60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401cea3f5$d1ecb8b0$75c62a10$@gmail.com> Jaws 14 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:51 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] google chrome Justin: What version of Jaws do you have? With 10, and 11, no it's not accessible! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:36 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] google chrome Is google chrome accessible for jaws? If so, where are the shortcuts or some such for me to study? Are their other google products that are accessible such as google docs and googld drive? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Wed Aug 28 14:03:06 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:03:06 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] google chrome In-Reply-To: <000401cea3f5$d1ecb8b0$75c62a10$@gmail.com> References: <001e01cea3f3$912f4e20$b38dea60$@gmail.com> , <000401cea3f5$d1ecb8b0$75c62a10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm jealous! I'm stuck with 10! It's accessible with 14! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:52 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] google chrome Jaws 14 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:51 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] google chrome Justin: What version of Jaws do you have? With 10, and 11, no it's not accessible! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:36 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] google chrome Is google chrome accessible for jaws? If so, where are the shortcuts or some such for me to study? 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DeLuca) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:25:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Where The Blind Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Andrews Date: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:06 PM Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Where The Blind Work To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org *Where the Blind Work *https://nfb.org/wtbw-main The Jernigan Institute, Employment Committee and the Writers' Division have a joint project and we need your help. We are building an employment resource of job descriptions and how the blind compete within them. The “Where the Blind work” is a great informational resource to assist youth to plan for future employment and for the adult who is looking to change jobs and/or careers. We would accept a description of your present job, or one that you had been engaged in recently, or both. The collection of descriptions is divided into twelve generalized categories. They are: Administrative and Office Careers; Business/Entrepreneurial Careers; Computer Specialists; Customer Service; Education Careers; Financial Careers; Government Careers; Human Services; Law Enforcement and Legal Careers; Media, Marketing, and Public Relations; Medical Careers; Vocational Jobs. Your description needs to be less than 1,000 words, and must follow the below five question format: When completed please email them to newmanrl at cox.net (* indicates a required field) 1. Personal information: *Name *Industry in which you work (example: financial services) *Job title Employer Street address (work or home) City, State, Zip Code Phone number (work, home, or cell) E-mail (work or home) *2. Please explain to us what any worker would do on this job (specialized blindness alternatives will appear in the next question). **3. To what extent are you blind and what special adaptations do you use on the job (give the medical term for your blindness and extent of limitation; give the type and name of any special low or high technology and/or procedure you use to perform your job duties, describing where and how you use them)? * *4. Please let us know of any required special training, education, certificates, experience needed for this job. *5. Please tell us about anyone or anything that aided you to be successful. *Note*: To aid in the filling out of your description, read several of the earlier postings from the “Where the Blind Work” page: https://nfb.org/wtbw-main _______________________________________________ Nfbnet-members-list mailing list Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org List archives: < http://www.nfbnet.org/pipermail/nfbnet-members-list_nfbnet.org> From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Wed Aug 28 19:58:25 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:58:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] google chrome Message-ID: Justin, Google Chrome was considered "evil" by a university professor I had once at FSU. But then again, yo9u find it on the android devices if I'm correct. Google is evil in that the company is big in itself. But anyway, the Chrome browser would not probably be ideal for universities. Thanks for your question. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams" References: <521e5679.a91c310a.1751.257bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <004101cea42a$9183f8d0$b48bea70$@gmail.com> Evil? While. EEEEEEEEvil -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] google chrome Justin, Google Chrome was considered "evil" by a university professor I had once at FSU. But then again, yo9u find it on the android devices if I'm correct. Google is evil in that the company is big in itself. But anyway, the Chrome browser would not probably be ideal for universities. Thanks for your question. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams" Blind Comcast exec developing a talking TV channel guide Comcast Corp. has hired a sight-challenged executive, Tom Wlodskowski, Vice President/Accessibility, to develop a "talking TV interface" for the blind and other accessible products for the disabled. The talking TV guide could be out in 2014 as part of X2 channel guide and available for everyone. ( CHARLES FOX / Staff Photographer ) Bob Fernandez, Inquirer Staff Writer POSTED: Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 1:08 AM www.inquirer.com How does a blind person find what to "watch" on a TV with 200 channels and 46,000 video-on-demand choices of movies, shows, and clips? Tom Wlodkowski, a blind executive at Comcast Corp., thinks he has the answer: a talking TV channel guide. No joke. "The television is not strictly as visual a medium as you might think," said David Goldfield, a computer technology instructor at the Associated Services for the Blind and Visually Impaired. "Radio drama in the U.S. is more or less dead. If you are blind and you want a good story, you're still going to get it on television." Comcast expects the talking guide to come with its next-generation X2 platform in 2014. The cable giant demonstrated the talking guide this year at a California technology conference and at the cable-TV-industry trade show in Washington. Comcast also market-tested the guide with 20 average-Joe-type sight-impaired individuals in Philadelphia, arranged by the Associated Services for the Blind and Visually Impaired. The interactive, cloud-based guide - the current voice is a woman, but users eventually could choose the voice, as they can with a ring tone - responds to buttons the person pushes. This is part of a year-old project at Comcast to make the company's products more accessible to customers with disabilities. Wlodkowski has an "accessibility" team and will soon have a lab in the Comcast Center. Comcast isn't doing this just to reach out to the nation's 1.3 million blind individuals who fear being left behind as popular culture and media go digital on the Internet and TV. The Twenty-First Century Communications and Accessibility Act of 2010, passed on the 20-year anniversary of the Americans With Disabilities Act, is forcing technology companies to integrate accessibility functions into products. It's believed that, in three years, talking interfaces will have to come with TV products. Wlodkowski thinks he also can drive business. People with disabilities account for $200 billion in discretionary spending power, and catering to their needs, he believes, can boost brand loyalty. "We will meet the requirements of the law, but we also believe there can be innovation," he said. Wlodkowski is looking to develop products that could help older Americans "age in place" through the Xfinity home products, which now include home security. Generally, technology companies - with the exception of Apple Inc. - have received poor marks in the selling of blind-friendly products. "We see it as a civil right, and we see manufacturers embracing accessibility way too slowly," Lauren McLarney, government affairs specialist at the National Federation of the Blind, said of consumer electronics and technology companies. Comcast's talking guide sounds "worthwhile," but she hasn't seen it. The association offers a channel guide by zip code called "newsline" that last year was accessed 600,000 times. Before the talking guide, Wlodkowski said, he would have to recognize Matt Lauer's voice at NBC or Anderson Cooper on CNN. He also memorized channel numbers. But most times, he had no idea what was on the channel. "The only way I could navigate TV before," Wlodkowski said, "was to go up and down the channels and listen until I found something that I liked." Recently, he was fiddling with a talking TV guide and stumbled on Brady Bunch reruns. "They still syndicate that? Wow," he said. Formerly with AOL Inc., Wlodkowski is the vice president of accessibility and said his team at Comcast had four goals: To seek information from disabled customers about what they need and how they interact with Comcast's products. To integrate functionality into products so they can be more easily used by disabled subscribers. To introduce specific products, such as the talking guide. To enhance customer service for disabled subscribers. Wlodkowski, who was born blind, was raised in Southington, Conn., with three older brothers. His parents insisted on a regular childhood. He rode a bike in the neighborhood, skied with a guide, and marched in the marching band (he beat the snare drum). His most popular sitcom was Cheers because, he said, "it was relatively easy to follow. When Norm walked in, everybody said, 'Hi, Norm.' " He attended Boston College, majoring in communications. His first media job was with WGBH, the public broadcasting station in Boston. While there, Wlodkowski developed, with a federal grant from the Department of Education, a prototype of a talking TV interface. It was never commercialized. Wlodkowski said he was happy to be back in a city with mass transit and lives in an apartment at 17th and Arch Streets. His wife, Michele, and 15-year-old son, Colin, will relocate from Virginia, and he intends to buy a suburban home near a rail line. One challenging experience in Philadelphia has been mastering the elevators at the sky-high Comcast Center. There are more than 30 elevators, and some go only to certain floors. "Catching the elevator in this place," Wlodkowski said, "is an art that I don't think I have figured out." From dandrews at visi.com Wed Aug 28 23:45:45 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 18:45:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: SOME LINKS ON VARIOUS PRESENTATIONS ON THE HISTORY OF THE BLIND FROM DR. BRIAN MILLERFw: [pagesplus] Fw: Links to International History Conference Message-ID: > >Subject: SOME LINKS ON VARIOUS PRESENTATIONS ON >THE HISTORY OF THE BLIND FROM DR. BRIAN >MILLERFw: [pagesplus] Fw: Links to International History Conference >Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:00:37 -0700 > > Dr. Brian Miller is sharing > some links with us on The history of the Blind > and Blindness. This was his presentation which > he and 43 other academics discussed in paris in June of this year. >Bob Acosta >----- Original Message ----- >From: BrianMiller >To: Bob Acosta >Cc: brianrmiller88 at gmail.com >Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:16 PM >Subject: Links to International History Conference > >Hi Bob, > >I just wanted to forward two links that I want >to share with people who want to look at the >conference papers from the International History of the Blind conference. > >This first link takes you to a scribd page that >has all the presentations up, and are there to >read or download. It's the easiest and quickest >way to get to the presentation papers: > >http://fr.scribd.com/collections/4316094/The-history-of-blindness-and-the-blind-L-histoire-de-la-cecite-et-des-aveugles > >The link below takes you to the Fondation >Singer-Polignac page that has all the >presentations as well as the videos in English and French: > >http://www.singer-polignac.org/fr/missions?task=edit&cid=898%3Alhistoire-de-la-cecite-et-des-aveugles > >Both links work well with JAWS; not so sure about Window-Eyes. > >Talk to you soon. > >Thanks! > >Brian M > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >__._,_.___ >Reply >via web post >Reply >to sender >Reply >to group >Start >a New Topic >Messages >in this topic (1) >Recent Activity: >Visit >Your Group > >Yahoo! Groups > >Switch to: >Delivery Format: Traditional>Text-Only, >Delivery: Digest>Daily Digest • >Unsubscribe >• Terms of >Use • >on the redesigned individual mail v1>Send us Feedback >. > >__,_._,___ >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bob Acosta >To: pagesplus at yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:54 PM >Subject: [pagesplus] Fw: Links to International History Conference > > > >Dr. Brian Miller is sharing some links with us >on The history of the Blind and Blindness. This >was his presentation which he and 43 other >academics discussed in paris in June of this year. >Bob Acosta >----- Original Message ----- >From: BrianMiller >To: Bob Acosta >Cc: brianrmiller88 at gmail.com >Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:16 PM >Subject: Links to International History Conference > >Hi Bob, > >I just wanted to forward two links that I want >to share with people who want to look at the >conference papers from the International History of the Blind conference. > >This first link takes you to a scribd page that >has all the presentations up, and are there to >read or download. It's the easiest and quickest >way to get to the presentation papers: > >http://fr.scribd.com/collections/4316094/The-history-of-blindness-and-the-blind-L-histoire-de-la-cecite-et-des-aveugles > >The link below takes you to the Fondation >Singer-Polignac page that has all the >presentations as well as the videos in English and French: > >http://www.singer-polignac.org/fr/missions?task=edit&cid=898%3Alhistoire-de-la-cecite-et-des-aveugles > >Both links work well with JAWS; not so sure about Window-Eyes. > >Talk to you soon. > >Thanks! > >Brian M From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Aug 29 01:02:10 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:02:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] AccessNote: To Request or Not to Request? Message-ID: <006601cea453$64597c30$2d0c7490$@gmail.com> All, As I have mentioned previously on this list, my school system has recently purchased me an iPad which I can use in classes. I am considering requesting the purchase and installation of AFB's AccessNote app as part of my requests to the school district. I already have Pages on my iPad and am finding it a good tool for word processing, although the lack of a folder structure in it can sometimes be a pain to work with. So, I am wondering if anyone is currently using AccessNote in high school or college classes? If so, how does it compare with Pages? What are the advantages and disadvantages of the two apps? In your opinion, which of these is better for educational purposes? Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chris Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair Public Relations Committee Maryland Association of Blind Students: a division of the National Federation of the Blind of Maryland Phone: (443) 547-2409 Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Personal Twitter: @Chrisn98 MDABS Twitter: @MDMdabs Personal Facebook: www.facebook.com/dotkid Join the MDABS Facebook Group: search for Maryland Association of Blind Students Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum "Together, we are changing what it means to be blind." - Motto of the Louisiana Center for the Blind From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Thu Aug 29 05:55:10 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:55:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Comcast's talking Program Guide/Article from Philadelphia Inquirer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi coma I just would like to ask you, does this talking TV guide would only just work with the Concast cable service, and not with The other cable services? Just curious! Thanks and God bless! :-) Sincerely, Helga Schreiber Sent from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2013, at 7:41 PM, "Andrews, David B (DEED)" wrote: > > > Blind Comcast exec developing a talking TV channel guide > Comcast Corp. has hired a sight-challenged executive, Tom Wlodskowski, Vice President/Accessibility, to develop a "talking TV interface" for the blind and other accessible products for the disabled. The talking TV guide could be out in 2014 as part of X2 channel guide and available for everyone. ( CHARLES FOX / Staff Photographer ) > Bob Fernandez, Inquirer Staff Writer > POSTED: Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 1:08 AM > www.inquirer.com > How does a blind person find what to "watch" on a TV with 200 channels and 46,000 video-on-demand choices of movies, shows, and clips? Tom Wlodkowski, a blind executive at Comcast Corp., thinks he has the answer: a talking TV channel guide. > No joke. > "The television is not strictly as visual a medium as you might think," said David Goldfield, a computer technology instructor at the Associated Services for the Blind and Visually Impaired. "Radio drama in the U.S. is more or less dead. If you are blind and you want a good story, you're still going to get it on television." > Comcast expects the talking guide to come with its next-generation X2 platform in 2014. The cable giant demonstrated the talking guide this year at a California technology conference and at the cable-TV-industry trade show in Washington. > Comcast also market-tested the guide with 20 average-Joe-type sight-impaired individuals in Philadelphia, arranged by the Associated Services for the Blind and Visually Impaired. > The interactive, cloud-based guide - the current voice is a woman, but users eventually could choose the voice, as they can with a ring tone - responds to buttons the person pushes. > This is part of a year-old project at Comcast to make the company's products more accessible to customers with disabilities. Wlodkowski has an "accessibility" team and will soon have a lab in the Comcast Center. > Comcast isn't doing this just to reach out to the nation's 1.3 million blind individuals who fear being left behind as popular culture and media go digital on the Internet and TV. > The Twenty-First Century Communications and Accessibility Act of 2010, passed on the 20-year anniversary of the Americans With Disabilities Act, is forcing technology companies to integrate accessibility functions into products. It's believed that, in three years, talking interfaces will have to come with TV products. > Wlodkowski thinks he also can drive business. People with disabilities account for $200 billion in discretionary spending power, and catering to their needs, he believes, can boost brand loyalty. > "We will meet the requirements of the law, but we also believe there can be innovation," he said. > Wlodkowski is looking to develop products that could help older Americans "age in place" through the Xfinity home products, which now include home security. > Generally, technology companies - with the exception of Apple Inc. - have received poor marks in the selling of blind-friendly products. > "We see it as a civil right, and we see manufacturers embracing accessibility way too slowly," Lauren McLarney, government affairs specialist at the National Federation of the Blind, said of consumer electronics and technology companies. Comcast's talking guide sounds "worthwhile," but she hasn't seen it. > The association offers a channel guide by zip code called "newsline" that last year was accessed 600,000 times. > Before the talking guide, Wlodkowski said, he would have to recognize Matt Lauer's voice at NBC or Anderson Cooper on CNN. He also memorized channel numbers. But most times, he had no idea what was on the channel. > "The only way I could navigate TV before," Wlodkowski said, "was to go up and down the channels and listen until I found something that I liked." > Recently, he was fiddling with a talking TV guide and stumbled on Brady Bunch reruns. "They still syndicate that? Wow," he said. > Formerly with AOL Inc., Wlodkowski is the vice president of accessibility and said his team at Comcast had four goals: > To seek information from disabled customers about what they need and how they interact with Comcast's products. > To integrate functionality into products so they can be more easily used by disabled subscribers. > To introduce specific products, such as the talking guide. > To enhance customer service for disabled subscribers. > Wlodkowski, who was born blind, was raised in Southington, Conn., with three older brothers. His parents insisted on a regular childhood. He rode a bike in the neighborhood, skied with a guide, and marched in the marching band (he beat the snare drum). > His most popular sitcom was Cheers because, he said, "it was relatively easy to follow. When Norm walked in, everybody said, 'Hi, Norm.' " > He attended Boston College, majoring in communications. His first media job was with WGBH, the public broadcasting station in Boston. While there, Wlodkowski developed, with a federal grant from the Department of Education, a prototype of a talking TV interface. It was never commercialized. > Wlodkowski said he was happy to be back in a city with mass transit and lives in an apartment at 17th and Arch Streets. His wife, Michele, and 15-year-old son, Colin, will relocate from Virginia, and he intends to buy a suburban home near a rail line. > One challenging experience in Philadelphia has been mastering the elevators at the sky-high Comcast Center. There are more than 30 elevators, and some go only to certain floors. > "Catching the elevator in this place," Wlodkowski said, "is an art that I don't think I have figured out." > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From leyeshprintse at ymail.com Thu Aug 29 07:45:09 2013 From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:45:09 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] AccessNote: To Request or Not to Request? In-Reply-To: <006601cea453$64597c30$2d0c7490$@gmail.com> References: <006601cea453$64597c30$2d0c7490$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <40D525DC-2DD7-4ADE-A322-F40FD4908DB7@ymail.com> BS"D Chris, You can do organie the documents in maps in Pages. You do the same way as you do when you organise the apps in maps on the iPad/iPhone. I've no experience with the app you're asking about. Kind regards, Mlle. Leye-Shprintse Öberg Courriel : leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com Envoyé de mon iPad Mini 29 aug 2013 kl. 03:02 skrev "Chris Nusbaum" : All, As I have mentioned previously on this list, my school system has recently purchased me an iPad which I can use in classes. I am considering requesting the purchase and installation of AFB's AccessNote app as part of my requests to the school district. I already have Pages on my iPad and am finding it a good tool for word processing, although the lack of a folder structure in it can sometimes be a pain to work with. So, I am wondering if anyone is currently using AccessNote in high school or college classes? If so, how does it compare with Pages? What are the advantages and disadvantages of the two apps? In your opinion, which of these is better for educational purposes? Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chris Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair Public Relations Committee Maryland Association of Blind Students: a division of the National Federation of the Blind of Maryland Phone: (443) 547-2409 Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Personal Twitter: @Chrisn98 MDABS Twitter: @MDMdabs Personal Facebook: www.facebook.com/dotkid Join the MDABS Facebook Group: search for Maryland Association of Blind Students Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum "Together, we are changing what it means to be blind." - Motto of the Louisiana Center for the Blind _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leyeshprintse%40ymail.com From dburke at cocenter.org Thu Aug 29 18:57:59 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:57:59 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] google chrome In-Reply-To: References: <001e01cea3f3$912f4e20$b38dea60$@gmail.com> , <000401cea3f5$d1ecb8b0$75c62a10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <982c0efd074e4535928ad32f00706e98@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> If your personal version of JAWS is that old and you can't afford an upgrade, get the latest free version of NVDA. It won't sound as pretty, but it will work for everything much better than JAWS 10. If JAWS was provided by K-12 (and you're still in high school), press the school to get it upgraded. You are not getting equal access. If VR bought it, they need to upgrade if you're still an open case. A bit of advice to all - if VR is buying JAWS for you, insist that they pay the annual SMA so that you can get upgrades as you go for a couple of years. It's the smart way to purchase this assistive technology. Dan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:03 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] google chrome I'm jealous! I'm stuck with 10! It's accessible with 14! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:52 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] google chrome Jaws 14 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:51 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] google chrome Justin: What version of Jaws do you have? With 10, and 11, no it's not accessible! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:36 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] google chrome Is google chrome accessible for jaws? If so, where are the shortcuts or some such for me to study? Are their other google products that are accessible such as google docs and googld drive? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org From dburke at cocenter.org Thu Aug 29 19:12:40 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:12:40 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <47527913-135F-4D32-A3AD-E7EE1F4F35F9@gmail.com> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> <54442043-9B4A-4388-90B1-BF5A5562A2E1@gmail.com> <006101cea38a$4d8e9f90$e8abdeb0$@gmail.com> <47527913-135F-4D32-A3AD-E7EE1F4F35F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f5bdffb790b400993b35127e2bc7aa6@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> The issue under discussion is called "Order of Selection." Any state VR agency has to declare this if they realize they don't have enough money to both serve current clients and open and serve new cases. So the issue is not when one registered with VR or for college. It is actually that those who are already eligible and have an Individualized Plan for Employment (IPE) in operation. Under the federal VR rules, if you are in a plan, then your plan cannot be interrupted by Order of Selection. Colorado is in Order of Selection. Georgia has been in it as well, the state of Washington was in it a few years ago, and I believe is out of it. Montana expects to go to Order of Selection this calendar year, and other states may also be facing this. So if you apply for services in Colorado after Order of Selection was declared, you have to wait. As the state VR agency gets its budget under control it may then begin to serve those who have applied on a priority basis, and blind clients may be in the highest priority category in most cases. BTW, a state would be wise to declare Order of Selection before it has to stop taking the highest priority clients, and thus be able to accept and serve those folks without putting them on a waiting list. Folks like, say, blind students transitioning from high school to college. That would be a good management strategy. Dan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs Yes, we're both in CO. Yes, the list is primarily college students who registered after a certain date. The reason given was that the agency's funding was cut and there is a very large number of students who applied for services after the cut. Blind students have high priority (the agency is not restricted to serving blind people, it handles all disabilities) but other than that its just a waiting game. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:02 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > As a college student you got put on that waiting list? I've never seen > college students have to be on the waiting list if they put their request in > at a reasonable amount of time like the year before. Are you in the same > state as Beth? You might want to look in to filing a cap claim yourself. > I'm not trying to be critical or anything, but I've worked at an agency > before, I've seen the process be speeded up when they needed to be, like > when someone filed a claim. A year is too long. Don't worry about the > list; make your own list with you at the front, and at the back. You got to > get what you need to get. I'm not trying to say that you or anyone else > should be obnoxious and impatient, but sometimes the system has to be pushed > a little bit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > blackbyrdfly at gmail.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs > > I'm not even going to try to cover all of this here. I just wanted to point > out that EVERYONE is on that wait list, and it has nothing to do with you. > I've been on it for over a year now and have had to pay my tuition for the > past year out of pocket and start looking for a survival job to stay in > school. You can't just get magically bumped to the front of the queue for no > related reason. You have to wait for funds to become available just like the > rest of us. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Beth Taurasi > wrote: > >> Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the > saga of me and Rehab. >> I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any > Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording > there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have > contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of my > contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I think > I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any > ideas for this: >> 1. The counselor must be changed. >> 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided > for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. >> 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we > need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, > networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so > they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that > would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd > chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind > people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking > and the like. >> 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a > racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote > that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be > Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am > already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my > counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and > didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more > thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal > that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them > for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. >> This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a > whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the > social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious for > being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially biased, do > you think this is good? >> Thanks you all, >> Beth Taurasi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Thu Aug 29 20:40:28 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:40:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs In-Reply-To: <6f5bdffb790b400993b35127e2bc7aa6@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: <521D390C.50200@comcast.net> <54442043-9B4A-4388-90B1-BF5A5562A2E1@gmail.com> <006101cea38a$4d8e9f90$e8abdeb0$@gmail.com> <47527913-135F-4D32-A3AD-E7EE1F4F35F9@gmail.com> <6f5bdffb790b400993b35127e2bc7aa6@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <521FB1BC.5020205@comcast.net> On 8/29/2013 1:12 PM, Dan Burke wrote: > The issue under discussion is called "Order of Selection." Any state VR agency has to declare this if they realize they don't have enough money to both serve current clients and open and serve new cases. > > So the issue is not when one registered with VR or for college. It is actually that those who are already eligible and have an Individualized Plan for Employment (IPE) in operation. Under the federal VR rules, if you are in a plan, then your plan cannot be interrupted by Order of Selection. > > Colorado is in Order of Selection. Georgia has been in it as well, the state of Washington was in it a few years ago, and I believe is out of it. Montana expects to go to Order of Selection this calendar year, and other states may also be facing this. > > So if you apply for services in Colorado after Order of Selection was declared, you have to wait. As the state VR agency gets its budget under control it may then begin to serve those who have applied on a priority basis, and blind clients may be in the highest priority category in most cases. > > BTW, a state would be wise to declare Order of Selection before it has to stop taking the highest priority clients, and thus be able to accept and serve those folks without putting them on a waiting list. Folks like, say, blind students transitioning from high school to college. That would be a good management strategy. > > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of blackbyrdfly at gmail.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:20 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs > > Yes, we're both in CO. Yes, the list is primarily college students who registered after a certain date. The reason given was that the agency's funding was cut and there is a very large number of students who applied for services after the cut. Blind students have high priority (the agency is not restricted to serving blind people, it handles all disabilities) but other than that its just a waiting game. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:02 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > >> As a college student you got put on that waiting list? I've never seen >> college students have to be on the waiting list if they put their request in >> at a reasonable amount of time like the year before. Are you in the same >> state as Beth? You might want to look in to filing a cap claim yourself. >> I'm not trying to be critical or anything, but I've worked at an agency >> before, I've seen the process be speeded up when they needed to be, like >> when someone filed a claim. A year is too long. Don't worry about the >> list; make your own list with you at the front, and at the back. You got to >> get what you need to get. I'm not trying to say that you or anyone else >> should be obnoxious and impatient, but sometimes the system has to be pushed >> a little bit. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> blackbyrdfly at gmail.com >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:59 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs >> >> I'm not even going to try to cover all of this here. I just wanted to point >> out that EVERYONE is on that wait list, and it has nothing to do with you. >> I've been on it for over a year now and have had to pay my tuition for the >> past year out of pocket and start looking for a survival job to stay in >> school. You can't just get magically bumped to the front of the queue for no >> related reason. You have to wait for funds to become available just like the >> rest of us. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Beth Taurasi >> wrote: >> >>> Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the >> saga of me and Rehab. >>> I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any >> Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording >> there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have >> contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of my >> contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I think >> I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any >> ideas for this: >>> 1. The counselor must be changed. >>> 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided >> for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. >>> 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we >> need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, >> networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so >> they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that >> would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd >> chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind >> people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking >> and the like. >>> 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a >> racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote >> that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be >> Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am >> already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my >> counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and >> didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more >> thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal >> that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them >> for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. >>> This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a >> whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the >> social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious for >> being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially biased, do >> you think this is good? >>> Thanks you all, >>> Beth Taurasi >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > If Colorado is in order of selection, well, let's just say there's a plan for mental health treatment in order, but they are refusing to get me off the wait list. They won't even serve me because of mental stuff and they want me to do something that is impossible to do and my caseworker at MHCD has said so clearly that the mango vanilla ice cream is simply not available and there's no such thing. lol Thanks. Beth From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Thu Aug 29 21:02:29 2013 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:02:29 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs Message-ID: I'd like to offer any assistance I can here but am having trouble following the thread as so many of the messages do not appear at the top of the email in which they're included and are thus quite difficult to find. Could folks try to be sure that their messages show up above the email to which they're replying so the rest of us can easily find them? Thanks, everyone! Lucy > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Beth Taurasi To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:40:28 -0600 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs >On 8/29/2013 1:12 PM, Dan Burke wrote: >> The issue under discussion is called "Order of Selection." Any state VR agency has to declare this if they realize they don't have enough money to both serve current clients and open and serve new cases. >> So the issue is not when one registered with VR or for college. It is actually that those who are already eligible and have an Individualized Plan for Employment (IPE) in operation. Under the federal VR rules, if you are in a plan, then your plan cannot be interrupted by Order of Selection. >> Colorado is in Order of Selection. Georgia has been in it as well, the state of Washington was in it a few years ago, and I believe is out of it. Montana expects to go to Order of Selection this calendar year, and other states may also be facing this. >> So if you apply for services in Colorado after Order of Selection was declared, you have to wait. As the state VR agency gets its budget under control it may then begin to serve those who have applied on a priority basis, and blind clients may be in the highest priority category in most cases. >> BTW, a state would be wise to declare Order of Selection before it has to stop taking the highest priority clients, and thus be able to accept and serve those folks without putting them on a waiting list. Folks like, say, blind students transitioning from high school to college. That would be a good management strategy. >> Dan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of blackbyrdfly at gmail.com >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:20 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs >> Yes, we're both in CO. Yes, the list is primarily college students who registered after a certain date. The reason given was that the agency's funding was cut and there is a very large number of students who applied for services after the cut. Blind students have high priority (the agency is not restricted to serving blind people, it handles all disabilities) but other than that its just a waiting game. >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:02 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >>> As a college student you got put on that waiting list? I've never seen >>> college students have to be on the waiting list if they put their request in >>> at a reasonable amount of time like the year before. Are you in the same >>> state as Beth? You might want to look in to filing a cap claim yourself. >>> I'm not trying to be critical or anything, but I've worked at an agency >>> before, I've seen the process be speeded up when they needed to be, like >>> when someone filed a claim. A year is too long. Don't worry about the >>> list; make your own list with you at the front, and at the back. You got to >>> get what you need to get. I'm not trying to say that you or anyone else >>> should be obnoxious and impatient, but sometimes the system has to be pushed >>> a little bit. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>> blackbyrdfly at gmail.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:59 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] update on rehab affairs >>> I'm not even going to try to cover all of this here. I just wanted to point >>> out that EVERYONE is on that wait list, and it has nothing to do with you. >>> I've been on it for over a year now and have had to pay my tuition for the >>> past year out of pocket and start looking for a survival job to stay in >>> school. You can't just get magically bumped to the front of the queue for no >>> related reason. You have to wait for funds to become available just like the >>> rest of us. >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Beth Taurasi >> wrote: >>>> Hey you all, this is a brief update as nothing much has happened in the >>> saga of me and Rehab. >>>> I have contacted Client Assistance program rep Anna French, if any >>> Coloradoans have known who she was. Or is. Sorry about the miswording >>> there. I contacted Anna French twice and left two messages, and have >>> contacts else where and around the U.S. I can reach, but it seems none of my >>> contacts will get back to me. Shoot, I don't know what to do next. I think >>> I'm going to see about resolving the issue like this, see if anyone has any >>> ideas for this: >>>> 1. The counselor must be changed. >>>> 2. The services must be provided and compensatory funds must be provided >>> for all technological stuff I am asking for, no matter the plans. >>>> 3. A plan must be written up, no wait list, nothing. And in this plan, we >>> need to do an employment goal of computers and stuff, like web design, >>> networking, IT basically. I want to get an IT certification from CISCO, so >>> they should ideally pay for something accessible and not something that >>> would require too much paying in advance accommodations and such. I'd >>> chosen CISCO Academy of the Visually Impaired because it accommodates blind >>> people and teaches all the skills needed to do Linux and stuff, networking >>> and the like. >>>> 3. Any psychological evaluations must be carefully mmonitored and if a >>> racial profiling like that which occurred in 2011, in which the doc wrote >>> that I was pretending to be Arab occurs in the form of, "pretending to be >>> Syrian/Catholic", I will ask that the doc be revoked of his license. I am >>> already thinking about actions to take against the doc because Richele, my >>> counselor current, has the copy that says I was pretending to be Arab and >>> didn't think to shred and get a copy without the Arab comments. One more >>> thing in the resolution, if they refuse to put together an employment goal >>> that I write for myself, then I will drop the case with them and sue them >>> for lost wages and compensatory damages related to racial profiling. >>>> This may all sound weird, but how does this all sound to the public as a >>> whole? SHould I go about this? If they refuse to do as I ask since the >>> social skills group isn't available and since this provider is notorious for >>> being not only white/American biased but sighted and custodially biased, do >>> you think this is good? >>>> Thanks you all, >>>> Beth Taurasi >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly% 40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia ms2%40gmail >>> .com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly% 40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40coce nter.org >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen11 07%40comcast.net >If Colorado is in order of selection, well, let's just say there's a >plan for mental health treatment in order, but they are refusing to get >me off the wait list. They won't even serve me because of mental stuff >and they want me to do something that is impossible to do and my >caseworker at MHCD has said so clearly that the mango vanilla ice cream >is simply not available and there's no such thing. lol Thanks. >Beth >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40earthlink.net From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Fri Aug 30 03:28:19 2013 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 23:28:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rewh google chrome Message-ID: <5220101d.0575320a.0c4f.39db@mx.google.com> Hello, Yes, depending on which version of JAWS you are using, google chrome is accessible. I use JAWS 14 and find it to be fairly accessible. As for shortcuts, I think they're the same as in Internet Explorer. If you go to google and type in a search such as "keyboard shortcuts for google chrome," you might find a web site that lists them. No, google docs and google drive are not accessible. I would not recommend that anyone use Firefox though, it's not really that JAWS friendly. Thanks, From tyler at tysdomain.com Fri Aug 30 03:25:16 2013 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 23:25:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rewh google chrome In-Reply-To: <5220101d.0575320a.0c4f.39db@mx.google.com> References: <5220101d.0575320a.0c4f.39db@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5220109C.2030102@tysdomain.com> Uh, how exactly is jaws not friendly with firefox but google chrome is? You might want to rethink that answer. Support for firefox has been in forever now, and google chrome is only getting there. it's still got some minor issues, even with the latest Jaws 14. On 8/29/2013 11:28 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > Yes, depending on which version of JAWS you are using, google chrome > is accessible. I use JAWS 14 and find it to be fairly accessible. As > for shortcuts, I think they're the same as in Internet Explorer. If > you go to google and type in a search such as "keyboard shortcuts for > google chrome," you might find a web site that lists them. No, google > docs and google drive are not accessible. I would not recommend that > anyone use Firefox though, it's not really that JAWS friendly. > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Aug 30 15:52:50 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:52:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions In-Reply-To: References: <521d077b.6649ec0a.2bac.ffffa22e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks for the ideas. I will definitely check out that user list, and I plan to use sticky notes like the other workers do as I received confirmation that that is voiceover accessible. I'm actually really glad that works, because I've been the Windows equivalent so far. (It's in Windows 7 and up for future reference). The user guide is really going to be helpful; I have a five hour shift on Saturday and my assignment is just to figure out how to use voiceover for now. I'm looking forward to learning it. On 8/27/13, Minhh Ha wrote: > Kaiti, > > Could you possibly print out your notes and leave it at your computer > station? Or why not do what the person ahead of you is going to do and just > email them directly with the notes. > > Minh > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> Kaiti, I have pasted below a link to an accessible Mac VoiceOver user >> guide. I hope this helps you in your job. I also suggest joining the >> accesible-mac list. I don't know what the subscription address is, but >> it's on freelists and I'm sure you can find it. The link is: >> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/ind >> ex.html >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kaiti Shelton > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:41:20 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions >> >> Hi NABS, >> >> I've just started working a campus job as a monitor in my music >> department's computer lab. I'm loving it so far, but I have a few >> questions for those who have had campus jobs and who are familiar with >> mac computers. >> >> First, a general question. I have a computer in the lab that has >> Windows duel-booted on it so I can use programs like JAWS, Lime from >> Dancing Dots, etc. The problem though is that as all the other >> computers are macs and part of my job is to try to fix computer >> problems as they arise, I need to at least learn some voiceover >> basics. Any materials you guys can steer me towards would be >> appreciated. >> >> Second, I am working out some of the accessibility and communication >> issues with my manager. We're trying to think of ways that I can have >> access to notes people leave about what they did in shifts before me >> so I can pick up where they left off. We are also trying to figure >> out a system that would allow me to leave notes about my work for the >> shift after me. So far our ideas include having whoever works the >> shifts before mine to email me their note and for me to put a sticky >> note with my information on the screen of my computer using the sticky >> note program. The person after me would just have to check my >> computer before doing their work, but that system is not full-proof as >> I work a closing shift one night a week and will not be able to log >> into the windows account the next morning for the person after me to >> see my note. Any other ideas would be appreciated. >> >> Some of the reading will also involve reading material on CDs and DVDs >> that I will be editting. We are also trying to find a fix for that as >> well as a way I can get that information to propperly file the >> material once it is done. >> >> Again, any ideas at all would be appreciated. >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From sjhhirst at gmail.com Fri Aug 30 16:12:16 2013 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:12:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: URGENT: WE NEED LETTERS TO MAKE E-READERS ACCESSIBLE BY LABOR DAY In-Reply-To: <01D5FA97-F9CE-40A9-8D9D-213FFEF1F21F@mac.com> References: <6AA4E95312B0B945815AA557C252B7FF38BBC93E@BLUPRD0711MB401.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <01D5FA97-F9CE-40A9-8D9D-213FFEF1F21F@mac.com> Message-ID: Hello my friends, I apologize for the late notice, but I just received this yesterday. I know you are all busy with lives, work, and school, but knowing you all as I do, I believe you could all write very persuasively on the topics outlined in the attached skeleton letter. In a nutshell, eReader manufacturers are petitioning to have all eReaders exempted from the accessibility requirements of the ) Twenty-First Century Communications and Video ) Accessibility Act of 2010. They are making the absurd argument that eReaders shouldn't be characterized as having advanced communications services because they are just for reading, and that the internet features are just ancillary. They also claim it will be prohibitively expensive to make them accessible. They are also asking that their waiver for eReaders be perpetual, regardelss of how eReaders continue to progress as connected devices. The email below includes a copy of the petition, a draft of the NFB's response to the petition, and a skeleton letter that I'm asking you to write and send to the NFB by Monday. As I said, I know you are all very busy, as am I, but if you can find the time to do this, it would be very helpful in our effort to stop a potential administrative thwarting of the will of Congress, and the needs of disabled people worldwide. Once your letter is complete, please email it to Valerie Yingling at vyingling at nfb.org. Thank you all for your time and effort. Best, --Al Elia Begin forwarded message: *From: *"McLarney, Lauren" *Subject: **URGENT: WE NEED LETTERS TO MAKE E-READERS ACCESSIBLE BY LABOR DAY* *Date: *August 28, 2013 5:06:57 PM EDT Hello Legislative Directors,**** ** ** We need your help! The Coalition of E-Reader Manufacturers has submitted a Petition for Waiver to the FCC asking that e-readers be exempt from the Twenty First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act (CVAA) accessibility requirements. I have attached the Petition. NFB has written comments opposing the request, and we are asking other groups to sign on. I have also attached those comments. But the FCC needs to hear from our members – blind people who want access to e-readers – and the more people they hear from, the better. We are asking all Legislative Directors to find people in their respective affiliates to edit the attached skeleton letter and return it to us. The letter is already formatted and has an outline, but it is up to each person to make it personal and select which talking points they want to use. Finished letters should be sent to Valerie Yingling atvyingling at nfb.org by *8pm on Monday, September 2*. Valerie will proofread each document to make sure there are no typos and the customized points are still on message, and then we will submit the letters all at once when they are due on September 3rd. We are short on time but I trust that this issue is pressing to our membership and we will get a good amount of letters. **** ** ** For some background: The CVAA requires that all mobile devices with advanced communications services (ACS) be accessible to blind people, but the law allows manufacturers to request a waiver for equipment that is not intended for ACS. The Coalition (comprised of Amazon, Sony and Kobo) claims that the primary purpose of e-readers is reading, and that the ACS found in e-readers is so incidental and ancillary that it is not an intended purpose of the device. We know this is not true – e-readers are outfitted with built-in web browsers and designed for social media. The Coalition also claims that to make e-readers accessible would require a fundamental overhaul that would render e-readers obsolete, harm the public interest, and not provide substantial benefit to blind people. We know that this offensive claim is also not true. It is critical that the FCC hear from all of us – it is the only thing that can defeat the petition. Regulation is legislation’s sister, so I know we can count on all of you to get a good amount of feedback to the FCC. If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to email me or Valerie. Looking forward to seeing everyone’s letters. **** ** ** Cheers,**** Lauren**** * * *Lauren McLarney***** Government Affairs Specialist**** NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND**** 200 East Wells St.**** Baltimore, MD 21230**** (410) 659 9314 ext. 2207**** lmclarney at nfb.org**** **** **** ** ** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Comments to E-Reader Waiver Petition FINAL.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 48548 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Petition for Waiver Coalition of E-Reader Manufacturers.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 143839 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Letter for members - e-reader skeleton letter.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 16322 bytes Desc: not available URL: From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Aug 30 16:22:32 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:22:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions In-Reply-To: References: <521d077b.6649ec0a.2bac.ffffa22e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <003701cea59d$21d77560$65866020$@gmail.com> What is the voice over program again? Is that the same as sticky notes, or M I out in left field. I would like it for future reference. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:53 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions Hi all, Thanks for the ideas. I will definitely check out that user list, and I plan to use sticky notes like the other workers do as I received confirmation that that is voiceover accessible. I'm actually really glad that works, because I've been the Windows equivalent so far. (It's in Windows 7 and up for future reference). The user guide is really going to be helpful; I have a five hour shift on Saturday and my assignment is just to figure out how to use voiceover for now. I'm looking forward to learning it. On 8/27/13, Minhh Ha wrote: > Kaiti, > > Could you possibly print out your notes and leave it at your computer > station? Or why not do what the person ahead of you is going to do and > just email them directly with the notes. > > Minh > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> Kaiti, I have pasted below a link to an accessible Mac VoiceOver user >> guide. I hope this helps you in your job. I also suggest joining the >> accesible-mac list. I don't know what the subscription address is, >> but it's on freelists and I'm sure you can find it. The link is: >> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/ind >> ex.html >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kaiti Shelton > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:41:20 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions >> >> Hi NABS, >> >> I've just started working a campus job as a monitor in my music >> department's computer lab. I'm loving it so far, but I have a few >> questions for those who have had campus jobs and who are familiar >> with mac computers. >> >> First, a general question. I have a computer in the lab that has >> Windows duel-booted on it so I can use programs like JAWS, Lime from >> Dancing Dots, etc. The problem though is that as all the other >> computers are macs and part of my job is to try to fix computer >> problems as they arise, I need to at least learn some voiceover >> basics. Any materials you guys can steer me towards would be >> appreciated. >> >> Second, I am working out some of the accessibility and communication >> issues with my manager. We're trying to think of ways that I can >> have access to notes people leave about what they did in shifts >> before me so I can pick up where they left off. We are also trying >> to figure out a system that would allow me to leave notes about my >> work for the shift after me. So far our ideas include having whoever >> works the shifts before mine to email me their note and for me to put >> a sticky note with my information on the screen of my computer using >> the sticky note program. The person after me would just have to >> check my computer before doing their work, but that system is not >> full-proof as I work a closing shift one night a week and will not be >> able to log into the windows account the next morning for the person >> after me to see my note. Any other ideas would be appreciated. >> >> Some of the reading will also involve reading material on CDs and >> DVDs that I will be editting. We are also trying to find a fix for >> that as well as a way I can get that information to propperly file >> the material once it is done. >> >> Again, any ideas at all would be appreciated. >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmai >> l.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Aug 30 16:51:30 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:51:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Victor Reader Stream Message-ID: I have been asked to circulate the following: >Subject: Victor Reader Stream >From: Fred Hemmer >The Victor Reader Stream is one of the greatest tools for blind and >visually impaired people. I use mine every day and would be lost >without it. It is manufactured by Humanware. If you are a PC user >they also have a program called Humanware Companion. > When installed on your computer the program sets up a special > folder and where books, magazines, music, etc. download the > information goes into that folder. When you plug your Victor stream > into your computer and then run the companion program it quickly transfers > the information to the correct folders on your Victor reader stream. > > If you are an Apple user this program is not available. I have > contacted Apple as well as Humanware and asked when an Apple > version would become available. The people at Apple told me that > they do not develop applications of this type and suggested I contact > the manufacturer of the device. When I contacted Humanware they > told me that if there was enough interest in an Apple version they > would develop one. > > That is the reason for this message is to ask all Victor reader > stream users to contact humanware and request an Apple version of > Humanware companion. All you have to do is send an email to > Humanware Customer Service, info at humanware.com > in the body of the message ask them to develop a Mac version or > Apple version of humanware companion. It will be interesting to > see if a large response will receive positive results. > >Best wishes, >Fred Hemmer >fjhemmer at comcast.net From freethaught at gmail.com Fri Aug 30 19:11:23 2013 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:11:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How To make Voice Over Speak Spanish Language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try googling, downloading, and installing spanish voices from InfoVox. They have several Acapela voices, including some in Spanish ones. Antonio On Aug 27, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi Laurel, How are you? I just wanted to ask you, how do you make Voice Over to speak an Spanish language? I just would like to know since I'm from Peru and speak Spanish. And also because I'm going to be taking an Spanish CLEP exam next year at my college. And I just would like to review. Thanks and God bless! :-) > Sincerely, Helga Schreiber > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Fri Aug 30 20:52:47 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:52:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions In-Reply-To: <003701cea59d$21d77560$65866020$@gmail.com> References: <521d077b.6649ec0a.2bac.ffffa22e@mx.google.com> <003701cea59d$21d77560$65866020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7BA5DF17-BDCE-472B-8E56-34F5814F6556@gmail.com> Voiceover is the screen reader built into the mac operating system. Greg Aikens, M. Ed. Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired Cobb County School District gpaikens at gmail.com On Aug 30, 2013, at 12:22 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > What is the voice over program again? Is that the same as sticky notes, or > M I out in left field. I would like it for future reference. > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:53 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions > > Hi all, > > Thanks for the ideas. I will definitely check out that user list, and I > plan to use sticky notes like the other workers do as I received > confirmation that that is voiceover accessible. I'm actually really glad > that works, because I've been the Windows equivalent so far. > (It's in Windows 7 and up for future reference). > > The user guide is really going to be helpful; I have a five hour shift on > Saturday and my assignment is just to figure out how to use voiceover for > now. I'm looking forward to learning it. > > On 8/27/13, Minhh Ha wrote: >> Kaiti, >> >> Could you possibly print out your notes and leave it at your computer >> station? Or why not do what the person ahead of you is going to do and >> just email them directly with the notes. >> >> Minh >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Sophie Trist > wrote: >> >>> Kaiti, I have pasted below a link to an accessible Mac VoiceOver user >>> guide. I hope this helps you in your job. I also suggest joining the >>> accesible-mac list. I don't know what the subscription address is, >>> but it's on freelists and I'm sure you can find it. The link is: >>> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/ind >>> ex.html >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Kaiti Shelton >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date sent: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:41:20 -0400 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions >>> >>> Hi NABS, >>> >>> I've just started working a campus job as a monitor in my music >>> department's computer lab. I'm loving it so far, but I have a few >>> questions for those who have had campus jobs and who are familiar >>> with mac computers. >>> >>> First, a general question. I have a computer in the lab that has >>> Windows duel-booted on it so I can use programs like JAWS, Lime from >>> Dancing Dots, etc. The problem though is that as all the other >>> computers are macs and part of my job is to try to fix computer >>> problems as they arise, I need to at least learn some voiceover >>> basics. Any materials you guys can steer me towards would be >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Second, I am working out some of the accessibility and communication >>> issues with my manager. We're trying to think of ways that I can >>> have access to notes people leave about what they did in shifts >>> before me so I can pick up where they left off. We are also trying >>> to figure out a system that would allow me to leave notes about my >>> work for the shift after me. So far our ideas include having whoever >>> works the shifts before mine to email me their note and for me to put >>> a sticky note with my information on the screen of my computer using >>> the sticky note program. The person after me would just have to >>> check my computer before doing their work, but that system is not >>> full-proof as I work a closing shift one night a week and will not be >>> able to log into the windows account the next morning for the person >>> after me to see my note. Any other ideas would be appreciated. >>> >>> Some of the reading will also involve reading material on CDs and >>> DVDs that I will be editting. We are also trying to find a fix for >>> that as well as a way I can get that information to propperly file >>> the material once it is done. >>> >>> Again, any ideas at all would be appreciated. >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Aug 30 22:03:32 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:03:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions In-Reply-To: <003701cea59d$21d77560$65866020$@gmail.com> References: <521d077b.6649ec0a.2bac.ffffa22e@mx.google.com> <003701cea59d$21d77560$65866020$@gmail.com> Message-ID: also, what is sticky notes? I saw there was a windows version of this too. -----Original Message----- From: justin williams Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 12:22 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions What is the voice over program again? Is that the same as sticky notes, or M I out in left field. I would like it for future reference. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:53 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions Hi all, Thanks for the ideas. I will definitely check out that user list, and I plan to use sticky notes like the other workers do as I received confirmation that that is voiceover accessible. I'm actually really glad that works, because I've been the Windows equivalent so far. (It's in Windows 7 and up for future reference). The user guide is really going to be helpful; I have a five hour shift on Saturday and my assignment is just to figure out how to use voiceover for now. I'm looking forward to learning it. On 8/27/13, Minhh Ha wrote: > Kaiti, > > Could you possibly print out your notes and leave it at your computer > station? Or why not do what the person ahead of you is going to do and > just email them directly with the notes. > > Minh > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> Kaiti, I have pasted below a link to an accessible Mac VoiceOver user >> guide. I hope this helps you in your job. I also suggest joining the >> accesible-mac list. I don't know what the subscription address is, >> but it's on freelists and I'm sure you can find it. The link is: >> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/ind >> ex.html >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kaiti Shelton > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:41:20 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions >> >> Hi NABS, >> >> I've just started working a campus job as a monitor in my music >> department's computer lab. I'm loving it so far, but I have a few >> questions for those who have had campus jobs and who are familiar >> with mac computers. >> >> First, a general question. I have a computer in the lab that has >> Windows duel-booted on it so I can use programs like JAWS, Lime from >> Dancing Dots, etc. The problem though is that as all the other >> computers are macs and part of my job is to try to fix computer >> problems as they arise, I need to at least learn some voiceover >> basics. Any materials you guys can steer me towards would be >> appreciated. >> >> Second, I am working out some of the accessibility and communication >> issues with my manager. We're trying to think of ways that I can >> have access to notes people leave about what they did in shifts >> before me so I can pick up where they left off. We are also trying >> to figure out a system that would allow me to leave notes about my >> work for the shift after me. So far our ideas include having whoever >> works the shifts before mine to email me their note and for me to put >> a sticky note with my information on the screen of my computer using >> the sticky note program. The person after me would just have to >> check my computer before doing their work, but that system is not >> full-proof as I work a closing shift one night a week and will not be >> able to log into the windows account the next morning for the person >> after me to see my note. Any other ideas would be appreciated. >> >> Some of the reading will also involve reading material on CDs and >> DVDs that I will be editting. We are also trying to find a fix for >> that as well as a way I can get that information to propperly file >> the material once it is done. >> >> Again, any ideas at all would be appreciated. >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmai >> l.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Fri Aug 30 22:07:12 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:07:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Message-ID: Hello all, I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I have a question regarding disability services and the questions they can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied that every university requires this information of their students with service animals in case dining services need this information. From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the requirements are different. Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. Cheers, Minh -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From hope.paulos at gmail.com Fri Aug 30 22:24:35 2013 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:24:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into the student union to get meals though. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: > Hello all, > > I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved > into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I have > a question regarding disability services and the questions they can > ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS office > today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her vaccines > and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the relevancy of > this question because under the ADA, the only two questions public > places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a service animal" and > "what services do they perfor." The dean replied that every university > requires this information of their students with service animals in > case dining services need this information. From your knowledge, is > this true? I'm just trying to figure out what my rights are as a > college student with a service animal. I do understand there are > safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as though my guide has > nothing to do with the services that DS is providing me. Also, I > attend a private institution so maybe the requirements are different. > Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > Minh > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 30 22:38:15 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:38:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions In-Reply-To: <7BA5DF17-BDCE-472B-8E56-34F5814F6556@gmail.com> References: <521d077b.6649ec0a.2bac.ffffa22e@mx.google.com> <003701cea59d$21d77560$65866020$@gmail.com> <7BA5DF17-BDCE-472B-8E56-34F5814F6556@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007701cea5d1$9e342b10$da9c8130$@gmail.com> BTW, voiceOver is the same screen reader which is built into iOS devices such as the iPhone and iPad. Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair Public Relations Committee Maryland Association of Blind Students Phone: (443) 547-2409 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 4:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions Voiceover is the screen reader built into the mac operating system. Greg Aikens, M. Ed. Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired Cobb County School District gpaikens at gmail.com On Aug 30, 2013, at 12:22 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > What is the voice over program again? Is that the same as sticky > notes, or M I out in left field. I would like it for future reference. > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > Shelton > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:53 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions > > Hi all, > > Thanks for the ideas. I will definitely check out that user list, and > I plan to use sticky notes like the other workers do as I received > confirmation that that is voiceover accessible. I'm actually really > glad that works, because I've been the Windows equivalent so far. > (It's in Windows 7 and up for future reference). > > The user guide is really going to be helpful; I have a five hour shift > on Saturday and my assignment is just to figure out how to use > voiceover for now. I'm looking forward to learning it. > > On 8/27/13, Minhh Ha wrote: >> Kaiti, >> >> Could you possibly print out your notes and leave it at your computer >> station? Or why not do what the person ahead of you is going to do >> and just email them directly with the notes. >> >> Minh >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Sophie Trist > wrote: >> >>> Kaiti, I have pasted below a link to an accessible Mac VoiceOver >>> user guide. I hope this helps you in your job. I also suggest >>> joining the accesible-mac list. I don't know what the subscription >>> address is, but it's on freelists and I'm sure you can find it. The link is: >>> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/ind >>> ex.html >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Kaiti Shelton >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date sent: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:41:20 -0400 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions >>> >>> Hi NABS, >>> >>> I've just started working a campus job as a monitor in my music >>> department's computer lab. I'm loving it so far, but I have a few >>> questions for those who have had campus jobs and who are familiar >>> with mac computers. >>> >>> First, a general question. I have a computer in the lab that has >>> Windows duel-booted on it so I can use programs like JAWS, Lime from >>> Dancing Dots, etc. The problem though is that as all the other >>> computers are macs and part of my job is to try to fix computer >>> problems as they arise, I need to at least learn some voiceover >>> basics. Any materials you guys can steer me towards would be >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Second, I am working out some of the accessibility and communication >>> issues with my manager. We're trying to think of ways that I can >>> have access to notes people leave about what they did in shifts >>> before me so I can pick up where they left off. We are also trying >>> to figure out a system that would allow me to leave notes about my >>> work for the shift after me. So far our ideas include having >>> whoever works the shifts before mine to email me their note and for >>> me to put a sticky note with my information on the screen of my >>> computer using the sticky note program. The person after me would >>> just have to check my computer before doing their work, but that >>> system is not full-proof as I work a closing shift one night a week >>> and will not be able to log into the windows account the next >>> morning for the person after me to see my note. Any other ideas would be appreciated. >>> >>> Some of the reading will also involve reading material on CDs and >>> DVDs that I will be editting. We are also trying to find a fix for >>> that as well as a way I can get that information to propperly file >>> the material once it is done. >>> >>> Again, any ideas at all would be appreciated. >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gma >>> i >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >> % >> 40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.c > om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From kaybaycar at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 02:10:27 2013 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:10:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Minh, I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many universities about the questions they can ask of students with service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: > I never had to provide this information when I went to the university with > my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know what the > rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into the student union > to get meals though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I have >> a question regarding disability services and the questions they can >> ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS office >> today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her vaccines >> and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the relevancy of >> this question because under the ADA, the only two questions public >> places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a service animal" and >> "what services do they perfor." The dean replied that every university >> requires this information of their students with service animals in >> case dining services need this information. From your knowledge, is >> this true? I'm just trying to figure out what my rights are as a >> college student with a service animal. I do understand there are >> safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as though my guide has >> nothing to do with the services that DS is providing me. Also, I >> attend a private institution so maybe the requirements are different. >> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >> >> Cheers, >> Minh >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From dandrews at visi.com Sat Aug 31 03:25:11 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:25:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions In-Reply-To: <7BA5DF17-BDCE-472B-8E56-34F5814F6556@gmail.com> References: <521d077b.6649ec0a.2bac.ffffa22e@mx.google.com> <003701cea59d$21d77560$65866020$@gmail.com> <7BA5DF17-BDCE-472B-8E56-34F5814F6556@gmail.com> Message-ID: VoiceOver is also used in Apple iOS devices, iPhone, iPad, and iPod. Dave At 03:52 PM 8/30/2013, you wrote: >Voiceover is the screen reader built into the mac operating system. >Greg Aikens, M. Ed. >Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired >Cobb County School District >gpaikens at gmail.com > > > >On Aug 30, 2013, at 12:22 PM, "justin williams" > wrote: > > > What is the voice over program again? Is that the same as sticky notes, or > > M I out in left field. I would like it for future reference. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:53 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions > > > > Hi all, > > > > Thanks for the ideas. I will definitely check out that user list, and I > > plan to use sticky notes like the other workers do as I received > > confirmation that that is voiceover accessible. I'm actually really glad > > that works, because I've been the Windows equivalent so far. > > (It's in Windows 7 and up for future reference). > > > > The user guide is really going to be helpful; I have a five hour shift on > > Saturday and my assignment is just to figure out how to use voiceover for > > now. I'm looking forward to learning it. > > > > On 8/27/13, Minhh Ha wrote: > >> Kaiti, > >> > >> Could you possibly print out your notes and leave it at your computer > >> station? Or why not do what the person ahead of you is going to do and > >> just email them directly with the notes. > >> > >> Minh > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Sophie Trist > > wrote: > >> > >>> Kaiti, I have pasted below a link to an accessible Mac VoiceOver user > >>> guide. I hope this helps you in your job. I also suggest joining the > >>> accesible-mac list. I don't know what the subscription address is, > >>> but it's on freelists and I'm sure you can find it. The link is: > >>> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/ind > >>> ex.html > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Kaiti Shelton >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> Date sent: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:41:20 -0400 > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions > >>> > >>> Hi NABS, > >>> > >>> I've just started working a campus job as a monitor in my music > >>> department's computer lab. I'm loving it so far, but I have a few > >>> questions for those who have had campus jobs and who are familiar > >>> with mac computers. > >>> > >>> First, a general question. I have a computer in the lab that has > >>> Windows duel-booted on it so I can use programs like JAWS, Lime from > >>> Dancing Dots, etc. The problem though is that as all the other > >>> computers are macs and part of my job is to try to fix computer > >>> problems as they arise, I need to at least learn some voiceover > >>> basics. Any materials you guys can steer me towards would be > >>> appreciated. > >>> > >>> Second, I am working out some of the accessibility and communication > >>> issues with my manager. We're trying to think of ways that I can > >>> have access to notes people leave about what they did in shifts > >>> before me so I can pick up where they left off. We are also trying > >>> to figure out a system that would allow me to leave notes about my > >>> work for the shift after me. So far our ideas include having whoever > >>> works the shifts before mine to email me their note and for me to put > >>> a sticky note with my information on the screen of my computer using > >>> the sticky note program. The person after me would just have to > >>> check my computer before doing their work, but that system is not > >>> full-proof as I work a closing shift one night a week and will not be > >>> able to log into the windows account the next morning for the person > >>> after me to see my note. Any other ideas would be appreciated. > >>> > >>> Some of the reading will also involve reading material on CDs and > >>> DVDs that I will be editting. We are also trying to find a fix for > >>> that as well as a way I can get that information to propperly file > >>> the material once it is done. > >>> > >>> Again, any ideas at all would be appreciated. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 16:48:45 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:48:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions In-Reply-To: References: <521d077b.6649ec0a.2bac.ffffa22e@mx.google.com> <003701cea59d$21d77560$65866020$@gmail.com> <7BA5DF17-BDCE-472B-8E56-34F5814F6556@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sticky notes just allows you to post little memos or reminders on your computer screen. Visually, they look like post-it notes. Both the Mac and Windows opperating systems have programs for them starting with Windows 7 for the latter. On 8/30/13, David Andrews wrote: > VoiceOver is also used in Apple iOS devices, iPhone, iPad, and iPod. > > Dave > > At 03:52 PM 8/30/2013, you wrote: >>Voiceover is the screen reader built into the mac operating system. >>Greg Aikens, M. Ed. >>Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired >>Cobb County School District >>gpaikens at gmail.com >> >> >> >>On Aug 30, 2013, at 12:22 PM, "justin williams" >> wrote: >> >> > What is the voice over program again? Is that the same as sticky notes, >> > or >> > M I out in left field. I would like it for future reference. >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >> > Shelton >> > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:53 AM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > Thanks for the ideas. I will definitely check out that user list, and >> > I >> > plan to use sticky notes like the other workers do as I received >> > confirmation that that is voiceover accessible. I'm actually really >> > glad >> > that works, because I've been the Windows equivalent so far. >> > (It's in Windows 7 and up for future reference). >> > >> > The user guide is really going to be helpful; I have a five hour shift >> > on >> > Saturday and my assignment is just to figure out how to use voiceover >> > for >> > now. I'm looking forward to learning it. >> > >> > On 8/27/13, Minhh Ha wrote: >> >> Kaiti, >> >> >> >> Could you possibly print out your notes and leave it at your computer >> >> station? Or why not do what the person ahead of you is going to do and >> >> just email them directly with the notes. >> >> >> >> Minh >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Sophie Trist >> > wrote: >> >> >> >>> Kaiti, I have pasted below a link to an accessible Mac VoiceOver user >> >>> guide. I hope this helps you in your job. I also suggest joining the >> >>> accesible-mac list. I don't know what the subscription address is, >> >>> but it's on freelists and I'm sure you can find it. The link is: >> >>> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/ind >> >>> ex.html >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: Kaiti Shelton > >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> Date sent: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:41:20 -0400 >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover resources and campus job questions >> >>> >> >>> Hi NABS, >> >>> >> >>> I've just started working a campus job as a monitor in my music >> >>> department's computer lab. I'm loving it so far, but I have a few >> >>> questions for those who have had campus jobs and who are familiar >> >>> with mac computers. >> >>> >> >>> First, a general question. I have a computer in the lab that has >> >>> Windows duel-booted on it so I can use programs like JAWS, Lime from >> >>> Dancing Dots, etc. The problem though is that as all the other >> >>> computers are macs and part of my job is to try to fix computer >> >>> problems as they arise, I need to at least learn some voiceover >> >>> basics. Any materials you guys can steer me towards would be >> >>> appreciated. >> >>> >> >>> Second, I am working out some of the accessibility and communication >> >>> issues with my manager. We're trying to think of ways that I can >> >>> have access to notes people leave about what they did in shifts >> >>> before me so I can pick up where they left off. We are also trying >> >>> to figure out a system that would allow me to leave notes about my >> >>> work for the shift after me. So far our ideas include having whoever >> >>> works the shifts before mine to email me their note and for me to put >> >>> a sticky note with my information on the screen of my computer using >> >>> the sticky note program. The person after me would just have to >> >>> check my computer before doing their work, but that system is not >> >>> full-proof as I work a closing shift one night a week and will not be >> >>> able to log into the windows account the next morning for the person >> >>> after me to see my note. Any other ideas would be appreciated. >> >>> >> >>> Some of the reading will also involve reading material on CDs and >> >>> DVDs that I will be editting. We are also trying to find a fix for >> >>> that as well as a way I can get that information to propperly file >> >>> the material once it is done. >> >>> >> >>> Again, any ideas at all would be appreciated. >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Kaiti > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 16:55:20 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:55:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Minh, > > I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any > information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas > frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one > of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, > but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > > I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not > "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason > for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the > ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > > I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > universities about the questions they can ask of students with service > dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > > On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >> with >> my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know what the >> rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into the student >> union >> to get meals though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I have >>> a question regarding disability services and the questions they can >>> ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS office >>> today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her vaccines >>> and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the relevancy of >>> this question because under the ADA, the only two questions public >>> places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a service animal" and >>> "what services do they perfor." The dean replied that every university >>> requires this information of their students with service animals in >>> case dining services need this information. From your knowledge, is >>> this true? I'm just trying to figure out what my rights are as a >>> college student with a service animal. I do understand there are >>> safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as though my guide has >>> nothing to do with the services that DS is providing me. Also, I >>> attend a private institution so maybe the requirements are different. >>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Minh >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 18:59:46 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 14:59:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Hi, While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Minh, > > I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any > information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas > frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one > of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, > but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > > I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not > "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason > for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the > ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > > I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > universities about the questions they can ask of students with service > dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > > On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >> the student union to get meals though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>> that every university requires this information of their students >>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the requirements are different. >>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Minh >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only > Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have > eternal life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 31 19:02:47 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:02:47 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> , <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you get the point! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Hi, While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Minh, > > I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any > information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas > frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one > of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, > but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > > I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not > "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason > for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the > ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > > I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > universities about the questions they can ask of students with service > dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > > On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >> the student union to get meals though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>> that every university requires this information of their students >>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the requirements are different. >>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Minh >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only > Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have > eternal life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From tyler at tysdomain.com Sat Aug 31 19:05:27 2013 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:05:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> , <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52223E77.40704@tysdomain.com> Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the DS office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be something said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or someone else to move across the room or something. On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you get the point! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Hi, > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a > few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the > DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and > talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding > the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information > so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said > things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and > the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise > getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> Hi Minh, >> >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >> >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >> >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >> >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>> the student union to get meals though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > requirements are different. >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Minh >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was > vanity: >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>> ail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>> .com >>> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >> eternal life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. Sent from my Toaster (tm). From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 19:06:54 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:06:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> , <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed over much due to proper grooming. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you get the point! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Hi, While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Minh, > > I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any > information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas > frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one > of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, > but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > > I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not > "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason > for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the > ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > > I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > universities about the questions they can ask of students with service > dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > > On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >> the student union to get meals though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>> that every university requires this information of their students >>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the requirements are different. >>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Minh >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only > Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have > eternal life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 19:07:54 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:07:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <52223E77.40704@tysdomain.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> , <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <52223E77.40704@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <00ef01cea67d$66102520$32306f60$@gmail.com> They can't, or at least, they are not supposed too. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the DS office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be something said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or someone else to move across the room or something. On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you get the point! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > Shelton > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Hi, > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have > seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and > the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any > problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I > remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this > information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working > as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to > get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other > people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> Hi Minh, >> >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in >> one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these >> questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >> >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that >> not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a >> reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that >> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >> >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with >> service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >> >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the >>> university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I >>> don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I >>> took her into the student union to get meals though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions >>>> they can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my >>>> DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on >>>> her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean >>>> replied that every university requires this information of their >>>> students with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > requirements are different. >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Minh >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was > vanity: >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40g >>>> m >>>> ail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmai >>> l >>> .com >>> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >> eternal life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >> % >> 40gmail.com >> > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > a.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. > com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. Sent from my Toaster (tm). _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 31 19:08:14 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:08:14 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <52223E77.40704@tysdomain.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> , <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> , <52223E77.40704@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: Well, why not go to the guide dog training facilities, and tell them to only train hypoallerginic dogs, which solves the problem? Simple huh? Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the DS office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be something said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or someone else to move across the room or something. On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you get the point! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Hi, > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a > few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the > DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and > talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding > the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information > so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said > things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and > the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise > getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> Hi Minh, >> >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >> >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >> >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >> >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>> the student union to get meals though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > requirements are different. >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Minh >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was > vanity: >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>> ail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>> .com >>> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >> eternal life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. Sent from my Toaster (tm). _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 31 19:11:15 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:11:15 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> , <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> , <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree. I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of. This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed over much due to proper grooming. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you get the point! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Hi, While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Minh, > > I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any > information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas > frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one > of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, > but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > > I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not > "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason > for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the > ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > > I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > universities about the questions they can ask of students with service > dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > > On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >> the student union to get meals though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>> that every university requires this information of their students >>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the requirements are different. >>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Minh >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only > Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have > eternal life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From tyler at tysdomain.com Sat Aug 31 19:27:53 2013 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:27:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> , <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> , <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <522243B9.5020908@tysdomain.com> What exactly does using a cane have to do with this? How much you work your dog is up to the person--where did you become an expert on how much one should work a dog? Also, there are dogs that are easier for people with alergies (poodles are a good example) because they do not shed. I'm not for getting rid of all other breeds for poodles, nor should you have to. It comes down to this: if there is an alergic reaction to dogs, someone can say something or move--it's that easy. Dogs who do not stimulate alergic reactions are not really an option. On 8/31/2013 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I agree. > I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of. > This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may > have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is > good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks > themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service > animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the > well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed > over much due to proper grooming. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you > get the point! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Hi, > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a > few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the > DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and > talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding > the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information > so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said > things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and > the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise > getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> Hi Minh, >> >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >> >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >> >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >> >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>> the student union to get meals though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > requirements are different. >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Minh >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was > vanity: >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>> ail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>> .com >>> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >> eternal life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. Sent from my Toaster (tm). From tyler at tysdomain.com Sat Aug 31 19:30:33 2013 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:30:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> , <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52224459.8080006@tysdomain.com> Viva is well groomed and she does not smell, so there's that problem out. She is pretty sleek, so her fur loss is really really minimal, especially compared to my dog, who sheds a lot more. With that said, I've never been approached and asked about any of this information. On 8/31/2013 3:06 PM, justin williams wrote: > I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may > have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is > good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks > themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service > animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the > well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed > over much due to proper grooming. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you > get the point! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Hi, > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a > few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the > DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and > talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding > the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information > so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said > things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and > the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise > getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> Hi Minh, >> >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >> >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >> >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >> >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>> the student union to get meals though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > requirements are different. >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Minh >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was > vanity: >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>> ail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>> .com >>> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >> eternal life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. Sent from my Toaster (tm). From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 31 19:33:59 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:33:59 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <522243B9.5020908@tysdomain.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> , <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> , <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> , <522243B9.5020908@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: I wouldn't want my friendship with the individual with the dog to be hendered, because of their dog! You can't have a conversation with that person from across the room! Basicly, if you're in a social setting with other students, use a cane, to prevent any problems. That's how the traditionalists in the NFB thought! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs What exactly does using a cane have to do with this? How much you work your dog is up to the person--where did you become an expert on how much one should work a dog? Also, there are dogs that are easier for people with alergies (poodles are a good example) because they do not shed. I'm not for getting rid of all other breeds for poodles, nor should you have to. It comes down to this: if there is an alergic reaction to dogs, someone can say something or move--it's that easy. Dogs who do not stimulate alergic reactions are not really an option. On 8/31/2013 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I agree. > I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of. > This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may > have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is > good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks > themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service > animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the > well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed > over much due to proper grooming. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you > get the point! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Hi, > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a > few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the > DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and > talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding > the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information > so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said > things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and > the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise > getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> Hi Minh, >> >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >> >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >> >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >> >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>> the student union to get meals though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > requirements are different. >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Minh >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was > vanity: >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>> ail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>> .com >>> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >> eternal life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. Sent from my Toaster (tm). _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 31 19:36:15 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:36:15 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <52224459.8080006@tysdomain.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> , <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com>, <52224459.8080006@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: That's good! You take good care of your dog too! I've been around people at conventions that don't do a good job of taking care of their dog, and the dog isn't trained correctly, so said dog makes a mess wherever it wants to! This isn't good! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Viva is well groomed and she does not smell, so there's that problem out. She is pretty sleek, so her fur loss is really really minimal, especially compared to my dog, who sheds a lot more. With that said, I've never been approached and asked about any of this information. On 8/31/2013 3:06 PM, justin williams wrote: > I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may > have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is > good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks > themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service > animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the > well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed > over much due to proper grooming. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you > get the point! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Hi, > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a > few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the > DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and > talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding > the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information > so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said > things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and > the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise > getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> Hi Minh, >> >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >> >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >> >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >> >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>> the student union to get meals though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > requirements are different. >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Minh >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was > vanity: >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>> ail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>> .com >>> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >> eternal life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. Sent from my Toaster (tm). _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 19:39:08 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:39:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> <522243B9.5020908@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <-5194335855769044362@unknownmsgid> Does the individual guide dog user not have a choice in how much to work their dog? Even the Federation "traditionalists" believed, as Federationists still do today, in the right of individual blind people to make their own decisions without any person or organization (NFB included) telling them what to do. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I wouldn't want my friendship with the individual with the dog to be hendered, because of their dog! > You can't have a conversation with that person from across the room! > Basicly, if you're in a social setting with other students, use a cane, to prevent any problems. > That's how the traditionalists in the NFB thought! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > What exactly does using a cane have to do with this? How much you work > your dog is up to the person--where did you become an expert on how much > one should work a dog? Also, there are dogs that are easier for people > with alergies (poodles are a good example) because they do not shed. I'm > not for getting rid of all other breeds for poodles, nor should you have > to. It comes down to this: if there is an alergic reaction to dogs, > someone can say something or move--it's that easy. Dogs who do not > stimulate alergic reactions are not really an option. > On 8/31/2013 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I agree. >> I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of. >> This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may >> have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is >> good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks >> themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service >> animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the >> well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed >> over much due to proper grooming. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! >> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! >> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you >> get the point! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Hi, >> >> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a >> few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. >> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the >> DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and >> talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding >> the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. >> >> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information >> so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said >> things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and >> the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise >> getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. >> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >> >> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>> Hi Minh, >>> >>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >>> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >>> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >>> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >>> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >>> >>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >>> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >>> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >>> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >>> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >>> >>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >>> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >>> >>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>>> the student union to get meals though. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >> requirements are different. >>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Minh >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was >> vanity: >>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>>> ail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>>> .com >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >>> eternal life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >>> 40gmail.com >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. > Sent from my Toaster (tm). > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 31 19:43:30 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:43:30 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <-5194335855769044362@unknownmsgid> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> <522243B9.5020908@tysdomain.com> , <-5194335855769044362@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Yes, but we must encourage one another to use our canes as well, because what if something happens to the dog? We still need to be good cane travelers, in the event of something happening to the dog. For your information, I'm a cane user, but am looking into getting a poodle, because guide dogs will help me get to places allot quicker, but I'll also have my cane with me, whenever the dog wants to rest. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Does the individual guide dog user not have a choice in how much to work their dog? Even the Federation "traditionalists" believed, as Federationists still do today, in the right of individual blind people to make their own decisions without any person or organization (NFB included) telling them what to do. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I wouldn't want my friendship with the individual with the dog to be hendered, because of their dog! > You can't have a conversation with that person from across the room! > Basicly, if you're in a social setting with other students, use a cane, to prevent any problems. > That's how the traditionalists in the NFB thought! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > What exactly does using a cane have to do with this? How much you work > your dog is up to the person--where did you become an expert on how much > one should work a dog? Also, there are dogs that are easier for people > with alergies (poodles are a good example) because they do not shed. I'm > not for getting rid of all other breeds for poodles, nor should you have > to. It comes down to this: if there is an alergic reaction to dogs, > someone can say something or move--it's that easy. Dogs who do not > stimulate alergic reactions are not really an option. > On 8/31/2013 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I agree. >> I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of. >> This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may >> have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is >> good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks >> themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service >> animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the >> well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed >> over much due to proper grooming. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! >> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! >> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you >> get the point! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Hi, >> >> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a >> few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. >> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the >> DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and >> talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding >> the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. >> >> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information >> so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said >> things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and >> the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise >> getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. >> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >> >> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>> Hi Minh, >>> >>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >>> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >>> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >>> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >>> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >>> >>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >>> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >>> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >>> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >>> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >>> >>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >>> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >>> >>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>>> the student union to get meals though. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >> requirements are different. >>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Minh >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was >> vanity: >>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>>> ail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>>> .com >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >>> eternal life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >>> 40gmail.com >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. > Sent from my Toaster (tm). > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 19:43:36 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:43:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> <52224459.8080006@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <-6659679222061717712@unknownmsgid> So the lesson to be learned from this discussion is about the importance of properly grooming guide dogs if they are to be used in public. If a guide dog user does this, I would not want to compel them to use a cane in public if they are more comfortable working their dog. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > That's good! > You take good care of your dog too! > I've been around people at conventions that don't do a good job of taking care of their dog, and the dog isn't trained correctly, so said dog makes a mess wherever it wants to! > This isn't good! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Viva is well groomed and she does not smell, so there's that problem > out. She is pretty sleek, so her fur loss is really really minimal, > especially compared to my dog, who sheds a lot more. With that said, > I've never been approached and asked about any of this information. > On 8/31/2013 3:06 PM, justin williams wrote: >> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may >> have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is >> good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks >> themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service >> animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the >> well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed >> over much due to proper grooming. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! >> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! >> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you >> get the point! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Hi, >> >> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a >> few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. >> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the >> DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and >> talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding >> the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. >> >> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information >> so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said >> things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and >> the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise >> getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. >> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >> >> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>> Hi Minh, >>> >>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >>> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >>> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >>> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >>> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >>> >>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >>> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >>> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >>> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >>> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >>> >>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >>> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >>> >>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>>> the student union to get meals though. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >> requirements are different. >>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Minh >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was >> vanity: >>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>>> ail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>>> .com >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >>> eternal life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >>> 40gmail.com >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. > Sent from my Toaster (tm). > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From leyeshprintse at ymail.com Sat Aug 31 19:46:09 2013 From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 21:46:09 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is not the dog's coat which gives the allergic reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva consists of allergen which make some people sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen and therefore the dog is not the only problem for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more problems for a person with dog allergies then a dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog allergies can take medecins but for few people this do not work, for them it would be a problem to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none take this personally but I only want to clear up things. I live in a country where the Allergic lobby has a very strong voice which makes it hard to live with a guide dog here. We get refused to enter shops, restaurants and universities because 'a person can get an allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject is close to my heart. I understand that it can be a problem for people with allergies but it is not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and she will not be upin people faces. I really feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult but I wish it would be more respectful especially in my own country where it sounds lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. Leye-Shprintse Öberg Courriel : leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com Envoyé de mon iPad Mini From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 31 19:47:43 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:47:43 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <-6659679222061717712@unknownmsgid> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> <52224459.8080006@tysdomain.com> , <-6659679222061717712@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Amen, and the problem is that in Arkansas, we have alot of blind people with guide dogs that aren't groomed propperly, therefore they cause trouble for those of us with allergies! Also, the school that most of these people go to doesn't train the dogs propperly, so they make messes and stuff, and don't clean them up! Even at our national convention, I dealt with some of this! Good grief! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs So the lesson to be learned from this discussion is about the importance of properly grooming guide dogs if they are to be used in public. If a guide dog user does this, I would not want to compel them to use a cane in public if they are more comfortable working their dog. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > That's good! > You take good care of your dog too! > I've been around people at conventions that don't do a good job of taking care of their dog, and the dog isn't trained correctly, so said dog makes a mess wherever it wants to! > This isn't good! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Viva is well groomed and she does not smell, so there's that problem > out. She is pretty sleek, so her fur loss is really really minimal, > especially compared to my dog, who sheds a lot more. With that said, > I've never been approached and asked about any of this information. > On 8/31/2013 3:06 PM, justin williams wrote: >> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may >> have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is >> good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks >> themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service >> animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the >> well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed >> over much due to proper grooming. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! >> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! >> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you >> get the point! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Hi, >> >> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a >> few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. >> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the >> DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and >> talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding >> the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. >> >> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information >> so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said >> things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and >> the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise >> getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. >> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >> >> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>> Hi Minh, >>> >>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >>> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >>> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >>> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >>> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >>> >>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >>> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >>> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >>> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >>> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >>> >>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >>> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >>> >>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>>> the student union to get meals though. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >> requirements are different. >>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Minh >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was >> vanity: >>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>>> ail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>>> .com >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >>> eternal life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >>> 40gmail.com >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. > Sent from my Toaster (tm). > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 19:48:56 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:48:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> <522243B9.5020908@tysdomain.com> <-5194335855769044362@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <40409986300445403@unknownmsgid> I agree. This is why many guide dog training facilities will consider you eligible to get a guide dog only if you can demonstrate that you are a proficient cane traveler. However, I think it is important that we not make blanket statements like "always use a cane in social settings." This is a matter of personal preference, as are many other facets of life in general. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Yes, but we must encourage one another to use our canes as well, because what if something happens to the dog? > We still need to be good cane travelers, in the event of something happening to the dog. > For your information, I'm a cane user, but am looking into getting a poodle, because guide dogs will help me get to places allot quicker, but I'll also have my cane with me, whenever the dog wants to rest. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:39 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Does the individual guide dog user not have a choice in how much to > work their dog? Even the Federation "traditionalists" believed, as > Federationists still do today, in the right of individual blind people > to make their own decisions without any person or organization (NFB > included) telling them what to do. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> I wouldn't want my friendship with the individual with the dog to be hendered, because of their dog! >> You can't have a conversation with that person from across the room! >> Basicly, if you're in a social setting with other students, use a cane, to prevent any problems. >> That's how the traditionalists in the NFB thought! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> What exactly does using a cane have to do with this? How much you work >> your dog is up to the person--where did you become an expert on how much >> one should work a dog? Also, there are dogs that are easier for people >> with alergies (poodles are a good example) because they do not shed. I'm >> not for getting rid of all other breeds for poodles, nor should you have >> to. It comes down to this: if there is an alergic reaction to dogs, >> someone can say something or move--it's that easy. Dogs who do not >> stimulate alergic reactions are not really an option. >> On 8/31/2013 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I agree. >>> I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of. >>> This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may >>> have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is >>> good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks >>> themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service >>> animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the >>> well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed >>> over much due to proper grooming. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >>> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! >>> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! >>> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you >>> get the point! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >>> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a >>> few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. >>> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the >>> DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and >>> talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding >>> the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. >>> >>> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information >>> so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said >>> things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and >>> the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise >>> getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. >>> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >>> >>> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>>> Hi Minh, >>>> >>>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >>>> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >>>> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >>>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >>>> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >>>> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >>>> >>>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >>>> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >>>> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >>>> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >>>> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >>>> >>>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >>>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >>>> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >>>> >>>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>>>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>>>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>>>> the student union to get meals though. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >>> requirements are different. >>>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Minh >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was >>> vanity: >>>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>>>> ail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>>>> .com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Julie McG >>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >>>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >>>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >>>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >>>> eternal life." >>>> John 3:16 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >>>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >> >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. >> Sent from my Toaster (tm). >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 19:50:29 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:50:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> <52224459.8080006@tysdomain.com> <-6659679222061717712@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <-1961202215951133799@unknownmsgid> Wonder what school that is—looks like something needs to change in their curriculum. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Amen, and the problem is that in Arkansas, we have alot of blind people with guide dogs that aren't groomed propperly, therefore they cause trouble for those of us with allergies! > Also, the school that most of these people go to doesn't train the dogs propperly, so they make messes and stuff, and don't clean them up! > Even at our national convention, I dealt with some of this! > Good grief! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > So the lesson to be learned from this discussion is about the > importance of properly grooming guide dogs if they are to be used in > public. If a guide dog user does this, I would not want to compel them > to use a cane in public if they are more comfortable working their > dog. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> That's good! >> You take good care of your dog too! >> I've been around people at conventions that don't do a good job of taking care of their dog, and the dog isn't trained correctly, so said dog makes a mess wherever it wants to! >> This isn't good! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Viva is well groomed and she does not smell, so there's that problem >> out. She is pretty sleek, so her fur loss is really really minimal, >> especially compared to my dog, who sheds a lot more. With that said, >> I've never been approached and asked about any of this information. >> On 8/31/2013 3:06 PM, justin williams wrote: >>> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may >>> have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is >>> good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks >>> themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service >>> animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the >>> well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed >>> over much due to proper grooming. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >>> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! >>> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! >>> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you >>> get the point! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >>> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a >>> few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. >>> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the >>> DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and >>> talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding >>> the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. >>> >>> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information >>> so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said >>> things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and >>> the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise >>> getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. >>> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >>> >>> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>>> Hi Minh, >>>> >>>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >>>> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >>>> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >>>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >>>> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >>>> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >>>> >>>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >>>> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >>>> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >>>> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >>>> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >>>> >>>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >>>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >>>> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >>>> >>>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>>>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>>>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>>>> the student union to get meals though. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >>> requirements are different. >>>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Minh >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was >>> vanity: >>>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>>>> ail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>>>> .com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Julie McG >>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >>>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >>>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >>>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >>>> eternal life." >>>> John 3:16 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >>>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >> >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. >> Sent from my Toaster (tm). >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 31 19:51:47 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:51:47 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> , Message-ID: Leye-Schprintze: again, it all goes back to training! The dogs that I deal with are always doing stuff that they're not supposed to do. I don't believe you should be kicked out of universities, shops, etc because of your dog! That's not right, and against America's ADA, (Americans with Disabilities Act,) but I'm not sure that Sweden has a similar legislation. Please advocate for such legislation! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Leye-Shprintse Öberg [leyeshprintse at ymail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is not the dog's coat which gives the allergic reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva consists of allergen which make some people sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen and therefore the dog is not the only problem for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more problems for a person with dog allergies then a dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog allergies can take medecins but for few people this do not work, for them it would be a problem to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none take this personally but I only want to clear up things. I live in a country where the Allergic lobby has a very strong voice which makes it hard to live with a guide dog here. We get refused to enter shops, restaurants and universities because 'a person can get an allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject is close to my heart. I understand that it can be a problem for people with allergies but it is not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and she will not be upin people faces. I really feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult but I wish it would be more respectful especially in my own country where it sounds lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. Leye-Shprintse Öberg Courriel : leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com Envoyé de mon iPad Mini _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 31 19:54:24 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:54:24 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <-1961202215951133799@unknownmsgid> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> <52224459.8080006@tysdomain.com> <-6659679222061717712@unknownmsgid> , <-1961202215951133799@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Most of the dogs I've dealt with, especially from the main ones at WSB, come from Guide Dogs of the Desert, in California, since WSB gets tons of Californians coming there. A few of them come to our conventions, since the NFB of Arkansas has meetings at WSB now. I haven't dealt with the dogs at my state convention, but at WSB when I attended there in 2007! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Wonder what school that is—looks like something needs to change in their curriculum. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Amen, and the problem is that in Arkansas, we have alot of blind people with guide dogs that aren't groomed propperly, therefore they cause trouble for those of us with allergies! > Also, the school that most of these people go to doesn't train the dogs propperly, so they make messes and stuff, and don't clean them up! > Even at our national convention, I dealt with some of this! > Good grief! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > So the lesson to be learned from this discussion is about the > importance of properly grooming guide dogs if they are to be used in > public. If a guide dog user does this, I would not want to compel them > to use a cane in public if they are more comfortable working their > dog. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> That's good! >> You take good care of your dog too! >> I've been around people at conventions that don't do a good job of taking care of their dog, and the dog isn't trained correctly, so said dog makes a mess wherever it wants to! >> This isn't good! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Viva is well groomed and she does not smell, so there's that problem >> out. She is pretty sleek, so her fur loss is really really minimal, >> especially compared to my dog, who sheds a lot more. With that said, >> I've never been approached and asked about any of this information. >> On 8/31/2013 3:06 PM, justin williams wrote: >>> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may >>> have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is >>> good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks >>> themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service >>> animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the >>> well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed >>> over much due to proper grooming. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >>> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! >>> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! >>> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you >>> get the point! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >>> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a >>> few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. >>> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the >>> DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and >>> talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding >>> the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. >>> >>> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information >>> so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said >>> things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and >>> the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise >>> getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. >>> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >>> >>> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>>> Hi Minh, >>>> >>>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >>>> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >>>> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >>>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >>>> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >>>> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >>>> >>>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >>>> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >>>> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >>>> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >>>> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >>>> >>>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >>>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >>>> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >>>> >>>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>>>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>>>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>>>> the student union to get meals though. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >>> requirements are different. >>>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Minh >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was >>> vanity: >>>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>>>> ail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>>>> .com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Julie McG >>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >>>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >>>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >>>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >>>> eternal life." >>>> John 3:16 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >>>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >> >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. >> Sent from my Toaster (tm). >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Aug 31 19:57:47 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:57:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com>, <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Joshua, Did you read the original question? What does people having allergies have to do with the disclosure of Min's dog having up to date vaccines? I agree with most people here. Her dog is not an overall health risk and the school DSS office should not ask about vaccines. Perhaps if Min feels comfortable disclosing, she can to get them off her back. I will assume the dog is up to date with its vaccines. Now, if certain students have known allergies, something can be worked out such as moving to a different floor and sitting far away from dogs. This is a separate issue though than what dss is asking. Bottom line is the dog has a right to be there and I hope Min does not feel singled out or intimidated by havint it there. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you get the point! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Hi, While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Minh, > > I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any > information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas > frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one > of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, > but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > > I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not > "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason > for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the > ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > > I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > universities about the questions they can ask of students with service > dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > > On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >> the student union to get meals though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>> that every university requires this information of their students >>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the requirements are different. >>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Minh >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only > Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have > eternal life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 31 20:00:37 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:00:37 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com>, <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> , Message-ID: I read it, and as I stated, that is none of the DS office's business. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Joshua, Did you read the original question? What does people having allergies have to do with the disclosure of Min's dog having up to date vaccines? I agree with most people here. Her dog is not an overall health risk and the school DSS office should not ask about vaccines. Perhaps if Min feels comfortable disclosing, she can to get them off her back. I will assume the dog is up to date with its vaccines. Now, if certain students have known allergies, something can be worked out such as moving to a different floor and sitting far away from dogs. This is a separate issue though than what dss is asking. Bottom line is the dog has a right to be there and I hope Min does not feel singled out or intimidated by havint it there. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you get the point! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Hi, While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Minh, > > I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any > information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas > frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one > of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, > but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > > I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not > "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason > for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the > ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > > I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > universities about the questions they can ask of students with service > dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > > On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >> the student union to get meals though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>> that every university requires this information of their students >>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the requirements are different. >>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Minh >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only > Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have > eternal life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Aug 31 20:03:25 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:03:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com>, <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com>, <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <598091A767364F7BA2659BB36F0DA370@OwnerPC> Joshua, We understand some have alergies to animals. But if this is a problem, this should be worked out between Min, residence life or whatever office handles dorms, DSS and the guide dog. They can work out something with Min. I fail to see what this has to do with a dog's up to date vaccines or lack there of. Also, get real. Schools cannot just train hypoallergenic dogs. Those with allergies will simply have to deal with dogs and make arrangements not to be near them. For instance, move to another floor if needed. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs I agree. I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of. This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed over much due to proper grooming. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you get the point! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Hi, While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Minh, > > I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any > information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas > frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one > of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, > but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > > I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not > "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason > for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the > ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > > I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > universities about the questions they can ask of students with service > dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > > On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >> the student union to get meals though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>> that every university requires this information of their students >>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the requirements are different. >>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Minh >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only > Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have > eternal life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 31 20:05:35 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:05:35 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <598091A767364F7BA2659BB36F0DA370@OwnerPC> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com>, <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com>, <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> , <598091A767364F7BA2659BB36F0DA370@OwnerPC> Message-ID: It was a response to Justin who said that guide dogs wouldn't be a health risk. That's what took this discussion in another direction. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Joshua, We understand some have alergies to animals. But if this is a problem, this should be worked out between Min, residence life or whatever office handles dorms, DSS and the guide dog. They can work out something with Min. I fail to see what this has to do with a dog's up to date vaccines or lack there of. Also, get real. Schools cannot just train hypoallergenic dogs. Those with allergies will simply have to deal with dogs and make arrangements not to be near them. For instance, move to another floor if needed. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs I agree. I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of. This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed over much due to proper grooming. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you get the point! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Hi, While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Minh, > > I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any > information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas > frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one > of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, > but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > > I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not > "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason > for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the > ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > > I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > universities about the questions they can ask of students with service > dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > > On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >> the student union to get meals though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>> that every university requires this information of their students >>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the requirements are different. >>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Minh >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only > Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have > eternal life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 20:09:04 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:09:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> , <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> , <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> , <522243B9.5020908@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <00fb01cea685$f223d9a0$d66b8ce0$@gmail.com> That is the individuals choice. You don't get a dog just to not carry them around other people. Some people are more comfortable using a dog, so tthey should. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:34 PM To: tyler at tysdomain.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs I wouldn't want my friendship with the individual with the dog to be hendered, because of their dog! You can't have a conversation with that person from across the room! Basicly, if you're in a social setting with other students, use a cane, to prevent any problems. That's how the traditionalists in the NFB thought! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs What exactly does using a cane have to do with this? How much you work your dog is up to the person--where did you become an expert on how much one should work a dog? Also, there are dogs that are easier for people with alergies (poodles are a good example) because they do not shed. I'm not for getting rid of all other breeds for poodles, nor should you have to. It comes down to this: if there is an alergic reaction to dogs, someone can say something or move--it's that easy. Dogs who do not stimulate alergic reactions are not really an option. On 8/31/2013 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I agree. > I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of. > This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; > I may have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the > grooming is good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are > health risks themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student > to carry a service animal in public places. Your point is well > received Joshua. Most fo the well taken of guide dogs that I have > seen did not smell, and did not shed over much due to proper grooming. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua > Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, > but you get the point! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > Shelton > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Hi, > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have > seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and > the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any > problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I > remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this > information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working > as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to > get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other > people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> Hi Minh, >> >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in >> one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these >> questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >> >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that >> not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a >> reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that >> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >> >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with >> service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >> >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the >>> university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I >>> don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I >>> took her into the student union to get meals though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions >>>> they can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my >>>> DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on >>>> her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean >>>> replied that every university requires this information of their >>>> students with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > requirements are different. >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Minh >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was > vanity: >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40g >>>> m >>>> ail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmai >>> l >>> .com >>> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >> eternal life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >> % >> 40gmail.com >> > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > a.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > a.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. > com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. Sent from my Toaster (tm). _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Aug 31 20:11:45 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:11:45 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <00fb01cea685$f223d9a0$d66b8ce0$@gmail.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> , <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> , <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> , <522243B9.5020908@tysdomain.com> , <00fb01cea685$f223d9a0$d66b8ce0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: If they want to have their dog in public, they should propperly groom it, and make sure it doesn't roam around the room! Also, they should make sure that dog is updated on vaccines, although in a university, the DS office shouldn't ask about that! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:09 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs That is the individuals choice. You don't get a dog just to not carry them around other people. Some people are more comfortable using a dog, so tthey should. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:34 PM To: tyler at tysdomain.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs I wouldn't want my friendship with the individual with the dog to be hendered, because of their dog! You can't have a conversation with that person from across the room! Basicly, if you're in a social setting with other students, use a cane, to prevent any problems. That's how the traditionalists in the NFB thought! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs What exactly does using a cane have to do with this? How much you work your dog is up to the person--where did you become an expert on how much one should work a dog? Also, there are dogs that are easier for people with alergies (poodles are a good example) because they do not shed. I'm not for getting rid of all other breeds for poodles, nor should you have to. It comes down to this: if there is an alergic reaction to dogs, someone can say something or move--it's that easy. Dogs who do not stimulate alergic reactions are not really an option. On 8/31/2013 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I agree. > I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of. > This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; > I may have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the > grooming is good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are > health risks themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student > to carry a service animal in public places. Your point is well > received Joshua. Most fo the well taken of guide dogs that I have > seen did not smell, and did not shed over much due to proper grooming. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua > Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, > but you get the point! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > Shelton > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Hi, > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have > seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and > the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any > problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I > remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this > information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working > as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to > get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other > people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> Hi Minh, >> >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in >> one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these >> questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >> >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that >> not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a >> reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that >> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >> >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with >> service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >> >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the >>> university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I >>> don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I >>> took her into the student union to get meals though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions >>>> they can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my >>>> DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on >>>> her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean >>>> replied that every university requires this information of their >>>> students with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > requirements are different. >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Minh >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was > vanity: >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40g >>>> m >>>> ail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmai >>> l >>> .com >>> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >> eternal life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >> % >> 40gmail.com >> > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > a.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > a.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. > com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. Sent from my Toaster (tm). _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From sgermano at asu.edu Sat Aug 31 20:35:19 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:35:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <00ef01cea67d$66102520$32306f60$@gmail.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <52223E77.40704@tysdomain.com> <00ef01cea67d$66102520$32306f60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: When people bring dogs to any event dogs are welcome they must show proof of vaccines and registration. I don't feel just because a dog is a guide dog they should be exempt from proving their shots are up to date. I guess for me it would not be a big deal and yes I had a guide dog in the past. I have a dog that cannot have a rabies shot due to a medical condition there fore I can not bring him to any event dogs are allowed that requires proof of registration this includes even things like many boarding places. Some things are worth fighting for like equal access to course materials but for me showing my dog is up to date on vaccines is not something I think is an issue to fight. Personally as a blind person I think people SHOULD have to prove their service animal is certified not just the two ADA questions because anyone can say their animal is a service animal and make up a need they have. You can even buy harnesses online and id's saying your dog is a service dog with zero proof of any training or any need for a service animal. This is going to lead to future problems for those who really have proper service dogs. I had no issue showing my ID card from Guide Dogs when asked. To me it is no different than showing an id when I use my credit card. On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM, justin williams < justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > They can't, or at least, they are not supposed too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield, > Tyler > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:05 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the DS > office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be something > said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or someone else to > move across the room or something. > On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and > horses! > > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! > > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but > you get the point! > > Blessings, Joshua > > ________________________________________ > > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams > > [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > > Shelton > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > > > Hi, > > > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have > > seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. > > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and > > the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any > > problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I > > remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do > with > the DS office. > > > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this > > information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working > > as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to > > get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other > > people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this > would be a true health concern. > > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > >> Hi Minh, > >> > >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any > >> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas > >> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in > >> one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these > >> questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > >> > >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that > >> not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a > >> reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that > >> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > >> > >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with > >> service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > >> > >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: > >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the > >>> university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I > >>> don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I > >>> took her into the student union to get meals though. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello all, > >>>> > >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved > >>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I > >>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions > >>>> they can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my > >>>> DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on > >>>> her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the > >>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two > >>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a > >>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean > >>>> replied that every university requires this information of their > >>>> students with service animals in case dining services need this > information. > >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out > >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do > >>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as > >>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is > >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > > requirements are different. > >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Minh > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the > >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was > > vanity: > >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > >>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40g > >>>> m > >>>> ail.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmai > >>> l > >>> .com > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Julie McG > >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > >> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > >> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only > >> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have > >> eternal life." > >> John 3:16 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 > >> % > >> 40gmail.com > >> > > > > -- > > Kaiti > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > > 0gmail > > .com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > > a.edu > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. > > com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he > that > dares not reason is a slave. > Sent from my Toaster (tm). > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From tyler at tysdomain.com Sat Aug 31 20:49:33 2013 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:49:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <52223E77.40704@tysdomain.com> <00ef01cea67d$66102520$32306f60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <522256DD.2000206@tysdomain.com> Susanne: Your response is sound, but I have two concerns here. Firstly, I am usually not expected to randomly show my ID when I go to a store in case the deli wants to see it. If something happens, I show it when needed and that is that. I believe that if an individual department of the university had these questions for Minh, they should ask her directly; it is not up to the disability services office to ask for this information "just in case." On 8/31/2013 4:35 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > When people bring dogs to any event dogs are welcome they must show proof > of vaccines and registration. I don't feel just because a dog is a guide > dog they should be exempt from proving their shots are up to date. I guess > for me it would not be a big deal and yes I had a guide dog in the past. > > I have a dog that cannot have a rabies shot due to a medical condition > there fore I can not bring him to any event dogs are allowed that requires > proof of registration this includes even things like many boarding places. > > Some things are worth fighting for like equal access to course materials > but for me showing my dog is up to date on vaccines is not something I > think is an issue to fight. > > Personally as a blind person I think people SHOULD have to prove their > service animal is certified not just the two ADA questions because anyone > can say their animal is a service animal and make up a need they have. You > can even buy harnesses online and id's saying your dog is a service dog > with zero proof of any training or any need for a service animal. This is > going to lead to future problems for those who really have proper service > dogs. I had no issue showing my ID card from Guide Dogs when asked. To me > it is no different than showing an id when I use my credit card. > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM, justin williams < > justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> They can't, or at least, they are not supposed too. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield, >> Tyler >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:05 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the DS >> office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be something >> said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or someone else to >> move across the room or something. >> On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >>> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and >> horses! >>> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! >>> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but >> you get the point! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >>> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >>> Shelton >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have >>> seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. >>> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and >>> the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any >>> problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I >>> remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do >> with >> the DS office. >>> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this >>> information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working >>> as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to >>> get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other >>> people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this >> would be a true health concern. >>> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >>> >>> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>>> Hi Minh, >>>> >>>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >>>> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >>>> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >>>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in >>>> one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these >>>> questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >>>> >>>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >>>> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that >>>> not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a >>>> reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that >>>> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >>>> >>>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >>>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with >>>> service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >>>> >>>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the >>>>> university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I >>>>> don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I >>>>> took her into the student union to get meals though. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions >>>>>> they can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my >>>>>> DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on >>>>>> her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean >>>>>> replied that every university requires this information of their >>>>>> students with service animals in case dining services need this >> information. >>>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >>> requirements are different. >>>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Minh >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was >>> vanity: >>>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40g >>>>>> m >>>>>> ail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmai >>>>> l >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Julie McG >>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >>>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >>>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >>>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >>>> eternal life." >>>> John 3:16 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >>>> % >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu >>> a.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. >>> com >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >> that >> dares not reason is a slave. >> Sent from my Toaster (tm). >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. Sent from my Toaster (tm). From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 21:48:32 2013 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (blackbyrdfly at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:48:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <52223E77.40704@tysdomain.com> <00ef01cea67d$66102520$32306f60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: At my old university, THE STUDENTS had to show proof of up to date vaccinations and, if necessary, get the vaccinations they're missing before being allowed to live on campus. If your dog is going to live on campus with you, shouldn't the same be required of Fido? Of course, this would be a campus medical or a housing issue, not a DS issue. -Jamie Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > When people bring dogs to any event dogs are welcome they must show proof > of vaccines and registration. I don't feel just because a dog is a guide > dog they should be exempt from proving their shots are up to date. I guess > for me it would not be a big deal and yes I had a guide dog in the past. > > I have a dog that cannot have a rabies shot due to a medical condition > there fore I can not bring him to any event dogs are allowed that requires > proof of registration this includes even things like many boarding places. > > Some things are worth fighting for like equal access to course materials > but for me showing my dog is up to date on vaccines is not something I > think is an issue to fight. > > Personally as a blind person I think people SHOULD have to prove their > service animal is certified not just the two ADA questions because anyone > can say their animal is a service animal and make up a need they have. You > can even buy harnesses online and id's saying your dog is a service dog > with zero proof of any training or any need for a service animal. This is > going to lead to future problems for those who really have proper service > dogs. I had no issue showing my ID card from Guide Dogs when asked. To me > it is no different than showing an id when I use my credit card. > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM, justin williams < > justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> They can't, or at least, they are not supposed too. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield, >> Tyler >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:05 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the DS >> office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be something >> said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or someone else to >> move across the room or something. >> On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >>> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and >> horses! >>> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! >>> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but >> you get the point! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >>> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >>> Shelton >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have >>> seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. >>> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and >>> the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any >>> problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I >>> remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do >> with >> the DS office. >>> >>> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this >>> information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working >>> as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to >>> get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other >>> people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this >> would be a true health concern. >>> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >>> >>> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>>> Hi Minh, >>>> >>>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >>>> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >>>> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >>>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in >>>> one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these >>>> questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >>>> >>>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >>>> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that >>>> not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a >>>> reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that >>>> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >>>> >>>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >>>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with >>>> service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >>>> >>>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the >>>>> university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I >>>>> don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I >>>>> took her into the student union to get meals though. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions >>>>>> they can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my >>>>>> DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on >>>>>> her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean >>>>>> replied that every university requires this information of their >>>>>> students with service animals in case dining services need this >> information. >>>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >>> requirements are different. >>>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Minh >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was >>> vanity: >>>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40g >>>>>> m >>>>>> ail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmai >>>>> l >>>>> .com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Julie McG >>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >>>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >>>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >>>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >>>> eternal life." >>>> John 3:16 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >>>> % >>>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu >>> a.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. >>> com >> >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >> that >> dares not reason is a slave. >> Sent from my Toaster (tm). >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 31 22:01:30 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:01:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> <522243B9.5020908@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <36C87461-4878-4143-BF53-136B47BF3ED2@gmail.com> I am not going to avoid working my guide dog in social settings on the chance of coming in close contact with someone who has allergies. To suggest such clearly shows ignorance of what it is like to have a guide dog. One cannot simply prop them in a corner if there services are not desired. Guide dogs require daily work to keep up with their training and strengthen the bond between handler and dog. If I avoided working my guide dog in social settings, she would stay at home nearly everyday and not keep up with the training that she was bred and raised for, that the school spent tens of thousands of dollars on, that was the whole reason I went to school and brought her home for, and which makes me much more independent than I ever was as a cane user. The only reasons I would not work my dog were if it posed a risk to myself or my dog, or if we were in persistent close contact with someone who had an allergy that could not be controlled by medicine. A risk to myself would be if my dog proved herself incapable of handling a location or situation safely and my school and I had not yet found a solution. A risk to my dog would be extreme temperature or weather conditions, or a location where there was a known danger such as a loose dog that was vicious and not yet captured, having to go through an area with broken glass or other paw hazard, or some similar and unavoidable place or situation. People I would consider as exceptions due to allergy are professors, students in a small classroom setting, advisors, or others I must have repeated and close contact with, such as for a study group or tutoring. Currently, I attend a community college, so housing is not an issue, but I have worked my guide dog all over campus and not had any issues. When I transfer, I expect basically the same, and just hope the housing office knows not to room me with someone with an allergy. I will not, though, stop working my guide dog in social settings, a suggestion that is utterly ridiculous. My two cents, Jewel Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I wouldn't want my friendship with the individual with the dog to be hendered, because of their dog! > You can't have a conversation with that person from across the room! > Basicly, if you're in a social setting with other students, use a cane, to prevent any problems. > That's how the traditionalists in the NFB thought! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > What exactly does using a cane have to do with this? How much you work > your dog is up to the person--where did you become an expert on how much > one should work a dog? Also, there are dogs that are easier for people > with alergies (poodles are a good example) because they do not shed. I'm > not for getting rid of all other breeds for poodles, nor should you have > to. It comes down to this: if there is an alergic reaction to dogs, > someone can say something or move--it's that easy. Dogs who do not > stimulate alergic reactions are not really an option. > On 8/31/2013 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I agree. >> I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of. >> This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may >> have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is >> good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks >> themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service >> animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the >> well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed >> over much due to proper grooming. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! >> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! >> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you >> get the point! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Hi, >> >> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a >> few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. >> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the >> DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and >> talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding >> the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. >> >> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information >> so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said >> things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and >> the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise >> getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. >> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >> >> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>> Hi Minh, >>> >>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >>> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >>> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >>> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >>> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >>> >>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >>> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >>> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >>> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >>> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >>> >>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >>> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >>> >>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>>> the student union to get meals though. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >> requirements are different. >>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Minh >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was >> vanity: >>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>>> ail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >>> eternal life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. > Sent from my Toaster (tm). > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com