[nabs-l] Students with guide dogs

Sat Aug 31 19:43:36 UTC 2013

So the lesson to be learned from this discussion is about the
importance of properly grooming guide dogs if they are to be used in
public. If a guide dog user does this, I would not want to compel them
to use a cane in public if they are more comfortable working their
dog.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:

> That's good!
> You take good care of your dog too!
> I've been around people at conventions that don't do a good job of taking care of their dog, and the dog isn't trained correctly, so said dog makes a mess wherever it wants to!
> This isn't good!
> Blessings, Joshua
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> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:30 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>
> Viva is well groomed and she does not smell, so there's that problem
> out. She is pretty sleek, so her fur loss is really really minimal,
> especially compared to my dog, who sheds a lot more. With that said,
> I've never been approached and asked about any of this information.
> On 8/31/2013 3:06 PM, justin williams wrote:
>> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly.  I see what you mean; I may
>> have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is
>> good.  Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks
>> themselves.  It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service
>> animal in public places.  Your point is well received Joshua.  Most fo the
>> well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed
>> over much due to proper grooming.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>>
>> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know!
>> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses!
>> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds!
>> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you
>> get the point!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams
>> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>>
>> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a
>> few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise.
>> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the
>> DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and
>> talked to a guide dog user regularly.  The only hitch I remember regarding
>> the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office.
>>
>> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information
>> so long as you're just eating there.  If you were working as Julie said
>> things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and
>> the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise
>> getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern.
>> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense.
>>
>> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Minh,
>>>
>>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus
>>> all four years.  I never had to provide disability services with any
>>> information.  I was in the dining hall and other food service areas
>>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem.  If you were to work in one
>>> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions,
>>> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry.
>>>
>>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any
>>> information on my dog.  So you can certainly tell this person that not
>>> "all" universities require this information.  This isn't even a reason
>>> for the information anyway.  You should also point out that under the
>>> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you.
>>>
>>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many
>>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service
>>> dogs.  Perhaps this is a result of that.
>>>
>>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university
>>>> with my guide  dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know
>>>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into
>>>> the student union  to get meals though.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved
>>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I
>>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they
>>>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS
>>>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her
>>>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the
>>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two
>>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a
>>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied
>>>>> that every university requires this information of their students
>>>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information.
>>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out
>>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do
>>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as
>>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is
>>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the
>> requirements are different.
>>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Minh
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was
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>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri
>>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the
>>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only
>>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have
>>> eternal life."
>>> John 3:16
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