[nabs-l] Students with guide dogs

Sat Aug 31 20:49:33 UTC 2013

Susanne:
Your response is sound, but I have two concerns here.
Firstly, I am usually not expected to randomly show my ID when I go to a 
store in case the deli wants to see it. If something happens, I show it 
when needed and that is that. I believe that if an individual department 
of the university had these questions for Minh, they  should ask her 
directly; it is not up to the disability services office to ask for this 
information "just in case."

On 8/31/2013 4:35 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote:
> When people bring dogs to any event dogs are welcome they must show proof
> of vaccines and registration. I don't feel just because a dog is a guide
> dog they should be exempt from proving their shots are up to date. I guess
> for me it would not be a big deal and yes I had a guide dog in the past.
>
> I have a dog that cannot have a rabies shot due to a medical condition
> there fore I can not bring him to any event dogs are allowed that requires
> proof of registration this includes even things like many boarding places.
>
> Some things are worth fighting for like equal access to course materials
> but for me showing my dog is up to date on vaccines is not something I
> think is an issue to fight.
>
> Personally as a blind person I think people SHOULD have to prove their
> service animal is certified not just the two ADA questions because anyone
> can say their animal is a service animal and make up a need they have. You
> can even buy harnesses online and id's saying your dog is a service dog
> with zero proof of any training or any need for a service animal. This is
> going to lead to future problems for those who really have proper service
> dogs. I had no issue showing my ID card from Guide Dogs when asked. To me
> it is no different than showing an id when I use my credit card.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM, justin williams <
> justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> They can't, or at least, they are not supposed too.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
>> Tyler
>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:05 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>>
>> Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the DS
>> office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be something
>> said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or someone else to
>> move across the room or something.
>> On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know!
>>> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and
>> horses!
>>> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds!
>>> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but
>> you get the point!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> ________________________________________
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>>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>>>
>>> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
>>> Shelton
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have
>>> seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise.
>>> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and
>>> the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any
>>> problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly.  The only hitch I
>>> remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do
>> with
>> the DS office.
>>> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this
>>> information so long as you're just eating there.  If you were working
>>> as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to
>>> get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other
>>> people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this
>> would be a true health concern.
>>> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense.
>>>
>>> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Minh,
>>>>
>>>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus
>>>> all four years.  I never had to provide disability services with any
>>>> information.  I was in the dining hall and other food service areas
>>>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem.  If you were to work in
>>>> one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these
>>>> questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry.
>>>>
>>>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any
>>>> information on my dog.  So you can certainly tell this person that
>>>> not "all" universities require this information.  This isn't even a
>>>> reason for the information anyway.  You should also point out that
>>>> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you.
>>>>
>>>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many
>>>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with
>>>> service dogs.  Perhaps this is a result of that.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the
>>>>> university with my guide  dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I
>>>>> don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I
>>>>> took her into the student union  to get meals though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved
>>>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I
>>>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions
>>>>>> they can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my
>>>>>> DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on
>>>>>> her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the
>>>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two
>>>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a
>>>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean
>>>>>> replied that every university requires this information of their
>>>>>> students with service animals in case dining services need this
>> information.
>>>>>>   From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out
>>>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do
>>>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as
>>>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is
>>>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the
>>> requirements are different.
>>>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Minh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the
>>>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was
>>> vanity:
>>>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>>>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
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>>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
>>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri
>>>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the
>>>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only
>>>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have
>>>> eternal life."
>>>> John 3:16
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