[nabs-l] Students with guide dogs

Sat Aug 31 22:01:30 UTC 2013

I am not going to avoid working my guide dog in social settings on the chance of coming in close contact with someone who has allergies. To suggest such clearly shows ignorance of what it is like to have a guide dog. One cannot simply prop them in a corner if there services are not desired. Guide dogs require daily work to keep up with their training and strengthen the bond between handler and dog. If I avoided working my guide dog in social settings, she would stay at home nearly everyday and not keep up with the training that she was bred and raised for, that the school spent tens of thousands of dollars on, that was the whole reason I went to school and brought her home for, and which makes me much more independent than I ever was as a cane user. The only reasons I would not work my dog were if it posed a risk to myself or my dog, or if we were in persistent close contact with someone who had an allergy that could not be controlled by medicine. A risk to myself would be if my dog proved herself incapable of handling a location or situation safely and my school and I had not yet found a solution. A risk to my dog would be extreme temperature or weather conditions, or a location where there was a known danger such as a loose dog that was vicious and not yet captured, having to go through an area with broken glass or other paw hazard, or some similar and unavoidable place or situation. People I would consider as exceptions due to allergy are professors, students in a small classroom setting, advisors, or others I must have repeated and close contact with, such as for a study group or tutoring. Currently, I attend a community college, so housing is not an issue, but I have worked my guide dog all over campus and not had any issues. When I transfer, I expect basically the same, and just hope the housing office knows not to room me with someone with an allergy. I will not, though, stop working my guide dog in social settings, a suggestion that is utterly ridiculous. 
My two cents, 
Jewel 
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On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:

> I wouldn't want my friendship with the individual with the dog to be hendered, because of their dog!
> You can't have a conversation with that person from across the room!
> Basicly, if you're in a social setting with other students, use a cane, to prevent any problems.
> That's how the traditionalists in the NFB thought!
> Blessings, Joshua
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> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:27 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
> 
> What exactly does using a cane have to do with this? How much you work
> your dog is up to the person--where did you become an expert on how much
> one should work a dog? Also, there are dogs that are easier for people
> with alergies (poodles are a good example) because they do not shed. I'm
> not for getting rid of all other breeds for poodles, nor should you have
> to. It comes down to this: if there is an alergic reaction to dogs,
> someone can say something or move--it's that easy. Dogs who do not
> stimulate alergic reactions are not really an option.
> On 8/31/2013 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>> I agree.
>> I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of.
>> This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>> 
>> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly.  I see what you mean; I may
>> have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is
>> good.  Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks
>> themselves.  It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service
>> animal in public places.  Your point is well received Joshua.  Most fo the
>> well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed
>> over much due to proper grooming.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>> 
>> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know!
>> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses!
>> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds!
>> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you
>> get the point!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams
>> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>> 
>> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a
>> few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise.
>> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the
>> DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and
>> talked to a guide dog user regularly.  The only hitch I remember regarding
>> the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office.
>> 
>> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information
>> so long as you're just eating there.  If you were working as Julie said
>> things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and
>> the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise
>> getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern.
>> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense.
>> 
>> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Minh,
>>> 
>>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus
>>> all four years.  I never had to provide disability services with any
>>> information.  I was in the dining hall and other food service areas
>>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem.  If you were to work in one
>>> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions,
>>> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry.
>>> 
>>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any
>>> information on my dog.  So you can certainly tell this person that not
>>> "all" universities require this information.  This isn't even a reason
>>> for the information anyway.  You should also point out that under the
>>> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you.
>>> 
>>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many
>>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service
>>> dogs.  Perhaps this is a result of that.
>>> 
>>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university
>>>> with my guide  dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know
>>>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into
>>>> the student union  to get meals though.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved
>>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I
>>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they
>>>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS
>>>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her
>>>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the
>>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two
>>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a
>>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied
>>>>> that every university requires this information of their students
>>>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information.
>>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out
>>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do
>>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as
>>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is
>>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the
>> requirements are different.
>>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Minh
>>>>> 
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>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri
>>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the
>>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only
>>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have
>>> eternal life."
>>> John 3:16
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