[nabs-l] Is providing tutors or aids under the ADA forpublic colleges?

RJ Sandefur joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
Sat Dec 7 16:28:25 UTC 2013


They don't have to do that because when I was in university for 
undergraduate work, I requested for something to be brailled and they told 
me to learn how to use ascanner, and they were not going to braille 
anything. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is providing tutors or aids under the ADA forpublic 
colleges?


> Approach this as asking for reader service.  I am not sure if there is a 
> requirement that tutors or "aids" be provided without other criteria.  You 
> are asking
> for more than "eyes" or for making the course "accessible."
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:50:29 -0800, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>I am taking a class at my college and the Accessibility services
>>department insists the ADA doesn't say they need to provide an aid or
>>tutor for me in a language class. In my last college I had aids for all
>>my math and science classes. At this new college, language is just as
>>hard and both colleges are state colleges.
>>I am wondering what is the deal with one giving aid and tutoring and the
>>other firmly saying they don't need to?
>>I believe section 504 of the ADA is where all this is talked about.
>>This is from:
>>http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/section504.ada.peer.htm
>
>>"no qualified individual with a disability in the United States shall be
>>excluded from, denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination
>>under" any program or activity that either receives Federal financial
>>assistance"
>
>>Isn't not providing eyes for a class that is focused on pictures
>>discrimination? Then isn't not providing eyes for notes with pictures
>>discrimination?
>
>>"providing an opportunity to participate or benefit that is unequal to
>>that provided others,"
>
>>Despite the improper English, That means that I need to be able to be
>>equal with my class mates in and out of class. In order for me to be
>>able to ask the teacher questions, I need to be able to understand the
>>materiel enough to ask questions.
>
>>"providing different or separate benefits or services, unless it is
>>necessary to provide benefits or services that are as effective as those
>>provided to others."
>
>>In this case it is necessary to provide a tutor so that I am able to
>>completely understand lectures and complete assignments in a timely
>>manor that helps me understand, like the assignments are supposed to do.
>
>>"For benefits or services provided to be "equally effective," they must
>>afford students with disabilities an equal opportunity to obtain the
>>same result, gain the same benefit, or reach the same level of
>>achievement as other students."
>
>>Without a tutor and an aid, the class that I am in is not providing me
>>with enough materials for me to succeed. I must have a tutor and an aid
>>to both grasp what is talked about in class partly and to go over
>>materiel after class to bridge any gaps I miss-understood or recorded
>>wrong because the teacher was spelling too fast on the board.
>
>>"have the effect of defeating or impairing accomplishment of the
>>objectives of the education program"
>
>>I am not learning my language, so I need help!
>
>>"Examples of accommodations and modifications include modifying rules,
>>policies or practices; removing architectural or communication barriers;
>>or providing aids, services, or assistive technology."
>
>>HM, says I need an "Aid" right there... Not tutor though.
>
>>http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/section504.ada.peer.htm
>
>>If that is not the section state colleges fall under, please let me
>>know. Or if there are any other laws that I should know about, please
>>let me know. Otherwise I will send this email to my counselors and their
>>boss so they can see the quotes from the ADA.
>>Thanks,
>
>>-- 
>>Brandon Keith Biggs
>
>
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