[nabs-l] Is providing tutors or aids under the ADA forpublic colleges?

Brandon Keith Biggs brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
Sat Dec 7 17:27:41 UTC 2013


Hello,
If the part of the ADA I quoted is not the part the colleges follow, I 
would love to know. Section 504  also deals with grade school and high 
school, so much of the text says children rather than student.
If what I did quote is indeed what the colleges have to follow, I have 
enough of a legal leverage to require an aid if not a tutor as well. My 
mom works in the lower education schools and they are required to 
provide aids for students.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs

On 12/7/2013 8:37 AM, Jewel wrote:
> Here in North Carolina, a tutor would get paid by the department of
> services for the blind. After requesting the service and getting
> approved, one would interview and hire their own tutor. Then, the
> tutor would fill out a  timetable of the hours they worked and turn it
> into the DSB. The tutor would be paid at the end of each month for the
> hours they worked. As far as I have seen, DSB sets a limit of hours,
> such as 7  hours a week (basically an hour a day) or 20 hours a  month
> (1 hour a day during the week), and anything over that is the
> student's responsibility. The hour limit is based on an assessment
> done by DSB to figurre out how many hours a week or month you'll need.
> And if that tutor sucks, you have the right to fire them and hire a
> new one that will do the job the way you want for the hours you need.
> Jewel
>
> On 12/7/13, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com> wrote:
>> They don't have to do that because when I was in university for
>> undergraduate work, I requested for something to be brailled and they told
>> me to learn how to use ascanner, and they were not going to braille
>> anything. RJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 10:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is providing tutors or aids under the ADA forpublic
>> colleges?
>>
>>
>>> Approach this as asking for reader service.  I am not sure if there is a
>>> requirement that tutors or "aids" be provided without other criteria.  You
>>>
>>> are asking
>>> for more than "eyes" or for making the course "accessible."
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:50:29 -0800, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I am taking a class at my college and the Accessibility services
>>>> department insists the ADA doesn't say they need to provide an aid or
>>>> tutor for me in a language class. In my last college I had aids for all
>>>> my math and science classes. At this new college, language is just as
>>>> hard and both colleges are state colleges.
>>>> I am wondering what is the deal with one giving aid and tutoring and the
>>>> other firmly saying they don't need to?
>>>> I believe section 504 of the ADA is where all this is talked about.
>>>> This is from:
>>>> http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/section504.ada.peer.htm
>>>> "no qualified individual with a disability in the United States shall be
>>>> excluded from, denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination
>>>> under" any program or activity that either receives Federal financial
>>>> assistance"
>>>> Isn't not providing eyes for a class that is focused on pictures
>>>> discrimination? Then isn't not providing eyes for notes with pictures
>>>> discrimination?
>>>> "providing an opportunity to participate or benefit that is unequal to
>>>> that provided others,"
>>>> Despite the improper English, That means that I need to be able to be
>>>> equal with my class mates in and out of class. In order for me to be
>>>> able to ask the teacher questions, I need to be able to understand the
>>>> materiel enough to ask questions.
>>>> "providing different or separate benefits or services, unless it is
>>>> necessary to provide benefits or services that are as effective as those
>>>> provided to others."
>>>> In this case it is necessary to provide a tutor so that I am able to
>>>> completely understand lectures and complete assignments in a timely
>>>> manor that helps me understand, like the assignments are supposed to do.
>>>> "For benefits or services provided to be "equally effective," they must
>>>> afford students with disabilities an equal opportunity to obtain the
>>>> same result, gain the same benefit, or reach the same level of
>>>> achievement as other students."
>>>> Without a tutor and an aid, the class that I am in is not providing me
>>>> with enough materials for me to succeed. I must have a tutor and an aid
>>>> to both grasp what is talked about in class partly and to go over
>>>> materiel after class to bridge any gaps I miss-understood or recorded
>>>> wrong because the teacher was spelling too fast on the board.
>>>> "have the effect of defeating or impairing accomplishment of the
>>>> objectives of the education program"
>>>> I am not learning my language, so I need help!
>>>> "Examples of accommodations and modifications include modifying rules,
>>>> policies or practices; removing architectural or communication barriers;
>>>> or providing aids, services, or assistive technology."
>>>> HM, says I need an "Aid" right there... Not tutor though.
>>>> http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/section504.ada.peer.htm
>>>> If that is not the section state colleges fall under, please let me
>>>> know. Or if there are any other laws that I should know about, please
>>>> let me know. Otherwise I will send this email to my counselors and their
>>>> boss so they can see the quotes from the ADA.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> --
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>
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