[nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille

Sat Feb 2 23:47:02 UTC 2013

Good morning, Ashley and List,

For me, not being able to decipher raised print is almost,  but not 
quite as bad as not being able to glean an image of the immediate 
environment, using flash sonar or echolocation. AM 2/2/2013, Ashley 
Bramlett wrote:
>Hi,
>Yes they do exist! I've seen a lot. For instance older 
>elevators  have only print; same with restroom signs.
>Being totally blind, you may not have noticed them. But I've 
>found  raised print signs next to bathroom doors.
>So if you are near a public bathroom, check and you might encounter 
>that with your hand.
>Signs are typically darker with a different color lettering; Its 
>white on black or black on white if I'm lucky.
>So I  notice them with my vision and can feel the raised print as 
>well if I don't know what it says.
>Another benefit to feeling raised print is you can sometimes 
>identify credit cards or store discount cards based on their raised print.
>I've been gambling with my family and I find that the cards 
>sometimes feel different for different hotels which is nice.
>
>Ashley
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist
>Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:19 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille
>
>Do such signs exist? I've never seen them.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jedi Moerke <loneblindjedi at samobile.net
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:59:40 -0600
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille
>
>Learning to read raised print is a helpful skill. You can use
>this skill to read signs that are in tactile print but not
>braille.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Sophie Trist
><sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Ari, for one, I am so sorry I didn't know you don't live in the
>U.S. Also, I didn't know blind people could learn print. I mean,
>I can sign my name, but other than that, I do not know any print
>letters and have no desire or need to learn them. Don't feel bad
>because you don't know print. As long as you know braille you
>should be good.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:41:20 +0200
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille
>
>Hi Sophie and Carly
>Its not a rant Sophie, its absolutely true. I have seen at uni
>for
>example, there was a person who never learned braille. He does
>use
>jaws at uni, but he can't spell properly because when you use
>audio
>you obviously aren't learning individual lettres. It isn't just
>that,
>but because I learned braille from young, what I love is that
>even now
>when I'm writing, I don't know how to explain, but I visualise
>what
>I'm typing in braille, which I really like. If a blind person
>doesn't
>learn braille and just works on audio, how do they imagine what
>an
>alphabet looks like. For them, when they type an l, do they then
>just
>somehow think of it as this sound, that is obviously assuming
>they
>haven't learned the shapes of the lettres in sighted or some
>other
>way. For me unfortunately, I must confess that since I never use
>sighted writing much I'm always forgetting what many lettres and
>numbers look like. The only ones I obviously don't forget are
>for
>example things I use in daily life like to sign my name, but the
>rest,
>even though I've learned them and felt their shapes, I just do
>forget.
>But I can't actually understand, if it is true that blind people
>in
>the US from birth now aren't even learning braille, how does the
>teacher even start teaching them how to read and write, how
>lettres
>fit together to make words, or for those people are lettres just
>sort
>of abstract sounds?
>Ari
>
>On 2/1/13, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
>Ari, you know you can get braille books for free from your state
>library for the blind (well, at least I know Louisiana has one)
>or from the national library in Utah. That's where I got all my
>braille books before I sarted using my braillenote. While I'll
>say that electronic reading is a lot more convenient (braille
>books are so heavy and clunky) I do appreciate braille. Because
>electronics can break. I think that's what a lot of people don't
>realize. And if electronics break and you don't know as a
>backup,
>you're in deep trouble. Audio is no excuse for not learning
>braille. My personal belief is that just as all sighted kids
>must
>learn print, all of usmust learn braille. Sorry for the long
>rant, but the bottom line is, I agree with you, Ari. If a print
>book only costs $20-30, braille shouldn't cost that much more.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis at gmail.com
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:47:47 +0200
>Subject: [nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille
>
>Hi everyone
>I've just seen something that makes me feel quite appalled and
>sad. I
>can't believe how much you guys have to pay simply to get or
>have
>a
>book in braille? I know that now many people use electronic and
>audio,
>and from what I hear many people don't even learn braille, but I
>actually really love braille, I love reading actual braille, and
>not
>just electronic (one line at a time I just can't stand), but
>paper. I
>love to hold a propper braille book, page through it, feel it
>and
>read
>it, especially for example if it is a book for learning a
>language or
>even a textbook. I know you can listen to your work with jaws
>etc, but
>I often just love actually reading. For me braille is such a
>lovely
>thing!
>Anyway why I am writing is because I find it terrible how much
>you
>guys are paying for braille books, its incredibly sad. I was
>looking
>on the internet for whether there are braille books available to
>help
>me learn some French, and I couldn't believe the prices you guys
>have
>to pay, I saw for example on APH web site a book for 300 or 400
>dollars just for the book. I had actually heard of this before,
>a
>friend of mine wanted to find some braille maths books and he
>couldn't
>believe it was nearly 700 dollars, but I put it down to the fact
>that
>maybe it was just because maths is more difficult to do in
>braille.
>But when I saw this I couldn't believe it, even for just normal
>books
>you guys have to actually pay such high prices? I know you have
>to
>maybe pay transcribers and things, but I can't understand why
>these
>organisations can't get electronic files or just scan and print
>the
>books? I'm not talking about complex things like maths that I
>don't
>know if you can scan things like that, but normal books? Here
>even if
>I give a book in to get transcribed, OK it sometimes takes about
>6
>months or even a year, but I never have to pay such incredible
>prices
>like what you guys are, and if I'm lucky enough to find an
>electronic
>version it costs even less. Frankly, I find it really sad and
>tragic
>and I think I can now understand why many people there just
>aren't
>bothering to learn how to read braille, because what is the
>point
>if
>you are having to pay such high prices for books? I know you
>guys
>have
>a great library but what happens if there are books you really
>want in
>braille or would just like to have brailled? If these are the
>prices
>that you are having to pay just for the pleasure of being able
>to
>read
>1 book in braille this is just so terrible!
>Ari
>
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