[nabs-l] Disability Services and Math

Thu Feb 7 04:15:01 UTC 2013

That sounds like a good plan. Also, I suspect you can do the homework
electronically without having to worry about getting the Braille. This
may end up being less time-consuming for you and keep you from being
dependent on the DS office to get things done in a timely fashion. As
you advance in stats, the tactile diagrams will become less important.
I never got a single one in five semesters of stats. Again, write
offlist if you have specific content questions.
Arielle

On 2/6/13, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,,
>
> Stats is actually required because both for my major and for my psych
> minor I will need to be able to read and interpret research data.
> It's listed on some things as strongly encouraged but on our most
> recent course outline it has either this class or another psych
> oriented math class which is stats with slightly different content as
> the recommended math electives.  Either way I need one like it to
> graduate with the major and minor I want.
>
> Arielle: I haven't really had to get much brailled in hard copy.  All
> my professors have been pretty great about just sending me word files
> or emails with the information since they write everything up on the
> computer anyway.  My math professor is actually really good about
> making most things accessible on his own too, and goes above and
> beyond because he really could just say that accessibility is the ds
> office's issue.  For class he prints out guided note sheets for
> everyone and gives me mine on flashdrives.  These are word files
> complete with tables and graph descriptions where needed.  He also
> allows me to submit my homework on these flashdrives in word and excel
> formats and that has worked out pretty well.  He and I both seem to
> like how the electronic process has worked out and I think he's doing
> all he can to make the class work for me.  As far as graphs are
> concerned though making tactile diagrams is understandably beyond his
> expertees and he doesn't have the equipment to do it on his own.  I
> really do feel like he's been accomodating and understanding though,
> it's just the diagrams which get a little funky but those are out of
> his control.
>
> Last semester I barely had to set foot in the ds office once I picked
> up my textbooks and now I'm down there several times a week.
> I know it's not an IT specialist's job to proofread, but if we're
> repeatedly having the same problems I don't see why proofreading
> wouldn't come up as a easy fix as it would only take a few minutes
> right after the embosser is done working.  I was going to say
> something about it on Tuesday, but by the time I got down there and
> people were free for me to talk to I had an hour till I actually had
> to be in stats and I had to quite literally run across to campus to
> not be late.  I'm planning on going down there tomorrow morning to
> pick up the homework that was assigned Tuesday and the re-brailled
> files for last Thursday's assignment.  They already know that Tuesday
> and Thursday mornings and Friday afternoons are the only times I can
> get there with my schedule, so I'm going to see if they can work to
> improve the timing or check the work before giving it to me so I don't
> have to run back and forth and they don't have to waste embosser
> paper.  It's also not right that I had to ask a professor for an
> extention because I really couldn't do the work.  Again, he was
> understanding enough to push back my due date the same number of days
> that I didn't have my braille, but I feel like asking him for
> extentions is really not right, especially if it could be helped by a
> few minutes of proofreading.
>
> On 2/6/13, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Kaiti,
>> Does your DS office give you Braille for other classes? Is the quality
>> better for those classes? If so, who's doing the Brailling?
>> I totally agree that you should not have to proofread your homework,
>> and you should definitely complain to someone higher up in DS about
>> this. If the situation isn't resolved, you could also explore the
>> option of doing the homework electronically and asking your prof to
>> send you descriptions of graphs. Email me off-list if you want more
>> advice about how to do stats electronically as I have done it several
>> times.
>> Oh, and if you're a psych major stats is required.
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 2/6/13, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Kaiti,
>>>
>>> first, I don't think that stats is required for your major. Second, if
>>> it is, then the university needs to accommodate you much better than
>>> they are, and they need to terminate the position of the idiot they
>>> hired and hire another. I know the person or rather of the person that
>>> you're talking about because I was supposed to come and train her if
>>> Clovernook would've done their job. Unfortunately she wasn't prepared
>>> for the position that she got, and even if she was it's not the IT
>>> specialist's job to proofread math, so it seems like the University
>>> either needs to get their act together and hire someone that knows how
>>> to do it, or they need to have it professionally done. Either way, the
>>> statusquo is not acceptable.
>>>
>>> Please let me know what happens, as I am very interested to see how
>>> they and you choose to handle this. And if you need/want help from a
>>> tech specialist, please don't hesitate to call me and I will do what I
>>> can to help you. Just respond to my email if you want contact info.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On 2/6/13, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> This semester I am enrolled in a 200 level stats course necessary for
>>>> my major.  Recently I've been having problems with my disability
>>>> services and the braille material they have been producing for my math
>>>> homework.  The course only meets on Tuesdays and Thursdays so the
>>>> professor has to move pretty fast through the material.  To try and
>>>> help me stay on top of the work as far as getting me the braille to do
>>>> it goes the office has a woman who they've hired as the assistive
>>>> technology specialist brailling all my math materials with the Tiger
>>>> and my professor has given her access to our Sakai sight so she can
>>>> just go get the material and not have to wait for me to find what it
>>>> is, email it to her, and then have her check her email on a break.
>>>> The ideas are great, but the quality of the braille just isn't there.
>>>> Sometimes graphs will be missing from questions, the embosser will
>>>> mess up several lines of braille and make the question unreadable, or
>>>> other times entire questions will be missing from my braille packets.
>>>> Contributing to the issue is that with my schedule I'm physically not
>>>> able to get to the learning center two days a week due to my classes.
>>>> This often means on the days I have stats and the entire morning free
>>>> beforehand I often have to go to the ds office only several hours to
>>>> pick up materials if they weren't readable the first time and then
>>>> hurry to fix my old answers or do them in the first place before the
>>>> start of the class.
>>>>
>>>> I feel really frustrated that I have to proofread like this.  Of
>>>> course I don't expect everything to be perfect, but at the same time I
>>>> don't think I should have to go down to the ds office to tell the
>>>> braillist she missed a problem or that I can't read the graph because
>>>> she printed it so small that the lines are too close together to read
>>>> several times a week.  She is blind herself and a braille reader, so I
>>>> wonder why there is no proofreading involved in the process.  And
>>>> although I realize that she has other responsibilities, I know I'm the
>>>> only student who receives braille material so I don't see how
>>>> proofreading a few pages of braille would take much time.  I don't
>>>> feel like with all my classes I'm doing that I should also have to
>>>> worry if I can even do my homework for them.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has any suggestions on how to handle this I would appreciate
>>>> hearing them.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Kaiti
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