[nabs-l] Statistics course

Sun Jan 6 18:39:03 UTC 2013

Hi guys,

I have been in contact with my stats professor for several weeks now.
He's married to the director of student learning services and told me
the disabilities office likes to refer their students to him, so he's
used to making accomodations based on individual needs.  He sounds
like a really nice guy, and he's already given me permission to do
things like write text descriptions of graphs rather than sit down
with a cork board, thumb tacks, and tactile graph paper like I had to
do in high school math.  He also said that for him grading on concept
is more important than visual representation, so I think he'd be in
favor of taking the conceptual approach Mauricio suggested even with
the calculator.

I know they mean well, but I think my disabilities office just feels
uncomfortable.  They started working on my math book in September and
had me pick out my professor way before scheduling so they could talk
to him.  A graphing calculator is listed as one of the course
materials and supposedly they have talked with my professor about what
functions he needs the calculators to do, but I'm wondering if he
could tell me manual methods of handling the equasions the
BrailleSense doesn't cover like some of my high school teachers did.
In that case, I could use the BrailleSense as much as possible and
cross the mental math bridges as they come without anyone else's
assistance.

Part of the issue is that they don't have someone on site who can
transcribe braille into print.  I would be most comfortable doing what
I know, even if using a brailler may seem a little stone-age.  I would
also rather have my equasions in braille rather than read to me
through math player because as Arielle said it would give me direct
interaction with the equasion, and honestly I'll probably end up
dictating what the computer says anyway because I've always done math
with hard copy braille.  I'm willing to make consessions like writing
my math on the computer and using math player because there is no
reliable way for someone to accurately produce Nemeth and transcribe
it into print, but some of these other issues are just making me
uncomfortable and worried as they stand.  Hopefully I can get some
more positive answers later this week.

Thanks all,

On 1/6/13, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Kaiti,
> First of all, your disability services office should not be telling
> you what accommodations to use for any of your courses. They can make
> suggestions, but ultimately it is between you and your professor to
> decide what accommodations you will use. If they are trying to order
> you to use a certain set of accommodations, they are overstepping
> their boundaries.
> Second, have you talked to your professor about what is actually
> required for the class? I ask this because I am skeptical that you
> will actually need a graphing calculator. In psychology stats courses,
> at least, the most complicated mathematical operation required is a
> square root, which I'm sure your Braille Sense can handle. I can't
> imagine what calculations would be required that your Braille Sense
> can't do. Working on your Braille Sense gives you much more
> independent access than does working with a reader, and is much better
> for your learning in my opinion, since you are actually interacting
> with the problems yourself.
> I'll write more later when I have more time, but please, please
> communicate directly with your professor and don't worry about what
> your disability office is saying. You don't need to do anything they
> suggest that you aren't comfortable with and you alone know how you
> learn best.
> Arielle
>
> On 1/6/13, Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> i understand how you are feeling I do not believe that you should be
>> expected to transcribe all of you work I have played that game and it is
>> not
>> practical. i also completely agree that you should not have to dictate
>> what
>> you want to put in to the calculator. Furthermore, I have a limited
>> background in the BrailleSense meaning i know it has a calculator however,
>> I
>> do not know how far you can o with it. That being said I would be highly
>> annoyed with your disabilities office. It sounds to me like they are
>> playing
>> assistive technology specialist and failing. Your college should be able
>> o
>> find a way to get you work transcribed. I attend Dominican College and
>> they
>> help me with transcription all the time. I am still looking in to this
>> because it is everywhere and so may people are faced with the challengers
>> of
>> college math. Let me see what other ideas I can come up with. I hope mor
>> ideas come through.
>>
>> Bridget
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bridget,
>>>
>>> I have a question based on your last email.  I too am starting my
>>> stats course next week and am a little worried about my assignments
>>> and such.  I had a really old-school braille instructor who taught me
>>> to use a Perkins brailler all through high school math, but now my
>>> disability services people want me to learn math player and do
>>> everything on the computer, which is a little intimidating simply
>>> because I've never used the computer for math before.  They want me to
>>> do this though since there is no practical way to translate the
>>> braille, as we don't have a transcriber or anyone sighted who could
>>> convert my answers.  They also want me to sit with someone and tell
>>> them which buttons to push every time we use a graphing calculator.  I
>>> suggested checking out the stats functions in the BrailleSense
>>> calculator as well as AGC, but they claim it doesn't have all the
>>> functions my professor wants us to use.  Like the computer, I'm not
>>> familiar with print calculators, obviously since I've never used one.
>>> I know they have random buttons like ABC and such, but I don't know
>>> what those do and wouldn't know when to use them.  I'm not really
>>> comfortable going into stats using these things I've never used
>>> before.  Would you, or anyone else, have other suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/6/13, Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Justin,
>>>> During my first year of college I took college algebra and I have a
>>>> friend
>>>> who took psychology statistics last year. We are both Braille readers.
>>>> I
>>>> found it was helpful to take notes in my preferred format. Any
>>>> assignments
>>>> that I needed to turn in I had a scribe for as did she. We both took
>>>> advantage of the tutoring  center and all of our accommodations.  My
>>>> best
>>>> advice would be speak to your professor often, if you need help along
>>>> the
>>>> way tutoring and direct instruction from the professor are a good way
>>>> to
>>>> go.
>>>> I never had a problem with accommodations in any of my math or science
>>>> courses and I'm sure you will be fine.
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck
>>>>
>>>> Bridget
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope the New Year is treating you all well!  I have to take a
>>>>> Statistics course and haven't gone through this course before.  I was
>>>>> wondering if any could give any pointers on how they survived the
>>>>> course?  Any suggestions/advice would be much appreciated!
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin
>>>>>
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