[nabs-l] Statistics course

Sun Jan 6 23:34:45 UTC 2013

Arielle,
That is true. But she needs a way to turn in homework and take tests.
For that she needs a reader and may need the standard calculator.
I think she could do the work by hand on the brailler and dictate her work 
to a reader; same with homework, unless she prints the homework out in print 
for the professor.

But, yes talking to the professor is key first before working out any 
accomodations.

Also, in most test situations, you cannot use your own equipment. I don't 
think blind students get to use their own devices just cause they got 
braille. You have to use a school pc for it or a school issued reader. This 
makes sense to me since you can easily cheat using a braille note or braille 
sense.

But, yes the dss is otherwise overstepping themselves.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Statistics course

Hi Kaiti,
First of all, your disability services office should not be telling
you what accommodations to use for any of your courses. They can make
suggestions, but ultimately it is between you and your professor to
decide what accommodations you will use. If they are trying to order
you to use a certain set of accommodations, they are overstepping
their boundaries.
Second, have you talked to your professor about what is actually
required for the class? I ask this because I am skeptical that you
will actually need a graphing calculator. In psychology stats courses,
at least, the most complicated mathematical operation required is a
square root, which I'm sure your Braille Sense can handle. I can't
imagine what calculations would be required that your Braille Sense
can't do. Working on your Braille Sense gives you much more
independent access than does working with a reader, and is much better
for your learning in my opinion, since you are actually interacting
with the problems yourself.
I'll write more later when I have more time, but please, please
communicate directly with your professor and don't worry about what
your disability office is saying. You don't need to do anything they
suggest that you aren't comfortable with and you alone know how you
learn best.
Arielle

On 1/6/13, Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i understand how you are feeling I do not believe that you should be
> expected to transcribe all of you work I have played that game and it is 
> not
> practical. i also completely agree that you should not have to dictate 
> what
> you want to put in to the calculator. Furthermore, I have a limited
> background in the BrailleSense meaning i know it has a calculator however, 
> I
> do not know how far you can o with it. That being said I would be highly
> annoyed with your disabilities office. It sounds to me like they are 
> playing
> assistive technology specialist and failing. Your college should be able o
> find a way to get you work transcribed. I attend Dominican College and 
> they
> help me with transcription all the time. I am still looking in to this
> because it is everywhere and so may people are faced with the challengers 
> of
> college math. Let me see what other ideas I can come up with. I hope mor
> ideas come through.
>
> Bridget
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 6, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bridget,
>>
>> I have a question based on your last email.  I too am starting my
>> stats course next week and am a little worried about my assignments
>> and such.  I had a really old-school braille instructor who taught me
>> to use a Perkins brailler all through high school math, but now my
>> disability services people want me to learn math player and do
>> everything on the computer, which is a little intimidating simply
>> because I've never used the computer for math before.  They want me to
>> do this though since there is no practical way to translate the
>> braille, as we don't have a transcriber or anyone sighted who could
>> convert my answers.  They also want me to sit with someone and tell
>> them which buttons to push every time we use a graphing calculator.  I
>> suggested checking out the stats functions in the BrailleSense
>> calculator as well as AGC, but they claim it doesn't have all the
>> functions my professor wants us to use.  Like the computer, I'm not
>> familiar with print calculators, obviously since I've never used one.
>> I know they have random buttons like ABC and such, but I don't know
>> what those do and wouldn't know when to use them.  I'm not really
>> comfortable going into stats using these things I've never used
>> before.  Would you, or anyone else, have other suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> On 1/6/13, Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Justin,
>>> During my first year of college I took college algebra and I have a
>>> friend
>>> who took psychology statistics last year. We are both Braille readers. I
>>> found it was helpful to take notes in my preferred format. Any
>>> assignments
>>> that I needed to turn in I had a scribe for as did she. We both took
>>> advantage of the tutoring  center and all of our accommodations.  My
>>> best
>>> advice would be speak to your professor often, if you need help along
>>> the
>>> way tutoring and direct instruction from the professor are a good way to
>>> go.
>>> I never had a problem with accommodations in any of my math or science
>>> courses and I'm sure you will be fine.
>>>
>>> Best of luck
>>>
>>> Bridget
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All!
>>>>
>>>> Hope the New Year is treating you all well!  I have to take a
>>>> Statistics course and haven't gone through this course before.  I was
>>>> wondering if any could give any pointers on how they survived the
>>>> course?  Any suggestions/advice would be much appreciated!
>>>>
>>>> Justin
>>>>
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