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>   1. Re: in class writing (Carly Mihalakis)
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> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:38:58 -0800
> From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
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> Good morning, Aleeha, Ashley and other interesteds,
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> As far as in-class writings go, what seems to work best for me is to
> take note of what is being required the class write on at the time,
> then going home and composing the material on my desktop before
> emailing it to instructor. That way, the same "in-class" effect is
> captured despite it happpening to not be composed in the physical,
> classroom. In testing situations however, of course I bring the
> notebook to one of those testing areas and write the test out.
>>     If you are concerned about the possibility of your laptop getting
>> stolen, here are a couple of things to consider.
>> 1. Most other students carry laptops, phones, and other electronic
>> devices with them to classes. I don't think that someone would
>> specifically target your laptop to steal, especially with many other
>> students and your professor also in the classroom.
>> 2. As others have said, you can get a flash drive, usually very low
>> cost, and put a doc or text file of your work on that drive in order
>> to exchange it with other students and/or your professor.
>> A good thing to keep in mind as well that some others have already
>> hinted at is to have a very open conversation with your professor
>> either before classes start or during the very first week of classes.
>> Ask what is to be expected from the class, the different possibilities
>> for in-class assignments, and the possible work-arounds for any
>> problems that you or your professor might forsee.
>> Aleeha
>>
>> On 1/10/13, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I want to make another plug for netbooks. They aren't much bigger than
>>> Braille Notes, so you can easily fit it in your backpack, and a
>>> netbook can do just about anything a laptop can. Plus it only costs
>>> about $300 and the built-in battery can last for up to six hours. I
>>> think it really is a good idea for any blind student to carry some
>>> kind of mainstream computing device to class, whether that is a
>>> laptop, netbook, or even an I-device so that you can easily
>>> communicate in writing with sighted professors and peers. Braille
>>> Notes are great and can be a wonderful supplement to a mainstream
>>> computing device, but the computing technology Braille Notes use is
>>> neither mainstream nor up-to-date.
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 1/10/13, Deb Mendelsohn <deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Don't you have a laptop that you could email in class to the professor?
>>>> Maybe RSA should get you one with JAWS on it.
>>>>
>>>> Deb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Ashley Bramlett
>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Professors ask us students to do in-class writing sometimes. Typically
>>>>> its
>>>>> unannounced; its not like its on the syllabus but the professor knows 
>>>>> it
>>>>> usually; I mean they know when they will assign in class writing.
>>>>> Students
>>>>> are given a certain  amount of time to write and then hand in the
>>>>> writing.
>>>>> They may share the writing with each other or the class as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you handle in class writing assignments? Do you write them on a
>>>>> notetaker or laptop you take to school? How do you hand it in since we
>>>>> are
>>>>> not writing on paper? So far, I've usually written outside class and
>>>>> emailed the copy to the professor.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have good enough braille skills to read from my braille display to
>>>>> other
>>>>> students, but I don't usually finish the writing.
>>>>> I wish there was a computer lab in every building. Then I could walk
>>>>> over
>>>>> there, type my writing prompt and then email it to the professor.
>>>>>
>>>>> I look forward to ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
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> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:42:21 -0500
> From: Lavonya Gardner <hotdancer1416 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] in class writing
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> I just email everything to my teacher, and my boss, for theat matter. I 
> have a laptop, so if I need to. I will email myself, but my teacher has an 
> iPone, so she would rather me do things in pages, and or note pad, and 
> just send it. She is deaf, so, we either sign, in person, write, or email 
> when we r not in class.
>
> NOTHING ABOUT US, WITHOUT US. AUTISTICS RULE
>
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 23:10, "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 
> wrote:
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>> Lavonya,
>> nice that you have an ipad and laptop. do you use an external keyboard or 
>> use the screen?
>> I might get one for a present. an ipad may be a good portable way for 
>> writing in class or in a situation where I need something portable to 
>> write on. If using an ipad, how do you get your writing to the professor? 
>> email?
>> Also, are you able to save the documents as Word files or rich text 
>> format?
>> Most professors want Microsoft word if possible.
>>
>> That's nice an ipad works for you.
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Lavonya Gardner
>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:47 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] in class writing
>>
>> i just use my iPad, and or laptop. but i sit somewhere close to the 
>> teacher, in case they want to see if i am taking notes, or doing the 
>> written assignment. this way, there is no question about what i am really 
>> doing. i use zoom text on my laptop, and the print on my iPad is so huge, 
>> that a teacher can see it, from a pretty good distance.
>>
>> NOTHING ABOUT US, WITHOUT US. AUTISTICS RULE
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 16:15, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ashley and all:
>>> I agree with everything that has been said on this thread. I would
>>> just like to add a few pointers.
>>> In college, in addition to purchasing paper folders and binders, I
>>> also bought about three or four thumb drives. Depending on the
>>> professor, I might have a thumb drive for just hat course. Most
>>> college have Wifi everywhere, so if you have a laptop in class
>>> assignments should never be a problem. However, you have to have a
>>> plan and discuss it with your professor beforehand. I had an Italian
>>> class, where the teacher would sometimes write the quiz questions on
>>> the board. Instead of making me go to the ODS office, she would email
>>> me the quiz right before class, and I would download it once I got
>>> into the classroom. As it was a foreign language, and depending on the
>>> quiz, I'd sometimes take that file, put it in my Braille Note and
>>> answer the questions. I'd then email it to her right away, and would
>>> be done along with everyone else in class.
>>> If you are doing an in-class writing assignment, part of the
>>> educational challenge is to do it in a short amount of time. So, it is
>>> not really fair to have an in-class writing assignment, take it home,
>>> complete it, and then send it to the professor. Instead, if you do not
>>> have a laptop, I suggest writing it in your braille note, saving it in
>>> your thumb drive, and giving that to your professor. Otherwise, most
>>> professors are ok with you emailing things as soon as possible, with
>>> the understanding that the assignment was completed during class.
>>> In most colleges, students have their own laptops, and at least a
>>> handful will bring them to class. So, when it comes to peer-review,
>>> most of the time, the professors will announce that it is a planned
>>> activity for a given class. In that case I have done one of two
>>> things.
>>> 1. I know that other students bring laptops and pair up with one of
>>> them. We exchange files via email or thumb drive, and do the editing.
>>> 2. I notify the professor ahead of time, if they do not allow
>>> electronics in the classroom, my dilemma, and we figure out a
>>> solution. that has involved, emailing the assignment to a student
>>> ahead of time, bringing a print copy and them sending me an electronic
>>> copy, or simply lifting the electronics band for that particular
>>> assignment.
>>> Whatever you choose to do, discuss it with the professor. It is not
>>> their responsibility to figure out your accommodations for you. You
>>> are not their only student. So, have a candid conversation during
>>> which you bring up these scenarios and together you figure out a
>>> course of action. As blind students who need accommodations, we must
>>> always keep in mind that we have to take responsibility for our own
>>> education. While in a perfect world everything would be accessible,
>>> and everyone would think of the barriers we might face during a
>>> particular class activity and justify for it, that is not the way it
>>> works. Here, I'd also like to add a note about always, always abiding
>>> by the honor code. Professors put a lot of trust in us when they allow
>>> us to use technologies which most of them do not understand, in order
>>> for us to have access to the educational materials we need. So, it is
>>> important, that as responsible, mature adults, we always abide by the
>>> honor code, and are ethical in the decisions we make when doing our
>>> academic work. There should never be a question whether accommodations
>>> compromise academic integrity, and unfortunately the question does
>>> arise on occasion. And in the long run, that hurts the entire disabled
>>> student population, and entities will take the few instances where
>>> accommodations were used to violate academic integrity as a reason why
>>> accommodations should not be granted. Furthermore, if a student uses
>>> their accommodations to cheat, if they are caught they now have a
>>> permanent blemish on their academic record. But even if they are not,
>>> that student is not actually learning, and so what is the point of
>>> paying sometimes, hundreds of thousands of dollars to attend an
>>> educational institution and then squander away the opportunity to
>>> learn?
>>>
>>> Ok, that's my rant for the day.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/9/13, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Laptops are the easiest way to go.  We did the same sort of thing with
>>>> in class writings and peer critiques in a history class I had, and
>>>> having my partner just look at my screen worked great.  If not then if
>>>> your professor permits computer use maybe you could save the writing
>>>> to a flashdrive as a text file and have someone else with a laptop
>>>> peer review it on their machine?  Then you could also hand that drive
>>>> to the teacher and not have to worry about remembering to email it in
>>>> or do anything with it later.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/9/13, Lisa E Roszyk <rosz1878 at fredonia.edu> wrote:
>>>>> If thbere is in class writing Iuse my laptop if Iknow its going to be
>>>>> something Iwont have enough time to finishb in class Iwait until ikm 
>>>>> back
>>>>> in the dorm then email it to the teacher if its a peer edit project it
>>>>> depen.ds on the subject but on.e thing Ihave done is find a partner 
>>>>> and
>>>>> get
>>>>> the ok to do the work out side of class with them generally typing 
>>>>> over
>>>>> skype or google doc is great you can type and edit automatically on 
>>>>> each
>>>>> others documents and Ihave foun.d jaws works ok with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 9, 2013, christopher nusbaum
>>>>> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> What about peer editing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Misty Dawn Bradley 
>>>>>> <mistydbradley at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> As for me, I usually type it on my laptop and then email it to the
>>>>> professor using Wifi. Also, if the professor needs access to the 
>>>>> writing
>>>>> in
>>>>> class, if you are using a laptop, you can have your instructor look at
>>>>> the
>>>>> screen. If you are doing writing as a group, you can type things out 
>>>>> and
>>>>> let your group members look at the screen. I had one situation in 
>>>>> which
>>>>> we
>>>>> had an assignment as a group that we had to write a list of things and
>>>>> then
>>>>> place them on a white board for the class to see, so I just took down 
>>>>> the
>>>>> list on my laptop and brought the laptop up while another group member
>>>>> copied what I had written onto the board. As far as assignments that I 
>>>>> do
>>>>> alone in class, my professors so far have been fine with me emailing 
>>>>> it
>>>>> whenever I was able to get internet access, whether it be at school or
>>>>> when
>>>>> I got home as long as I sent it in on the day of the assignment. 
>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>> you can make an appointment with the professor ahead of time to work 
>>>>> out
>>>>> a
>>>>> plan or place it in your letter of accomodations that you need to 
>>>>> email
>>>>> class assignments after class is over or at home. Another way to do it 
>>>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>> thumb drive that you save for this purpose that the professor can get 
>>>>> the
>>>>> file from and then give back to you. If your note taker has a USB 
>>>>> drive,
>>>>> this might be a good option.
>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>> Misty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>>>>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
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>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:47 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] in class writing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Professors ask us students to do in-class writing sometimes. 
>>>>>>>> Typically
>>>>> its unannounced; its not like its on the syllabus but the professor 
>>>>> knows
>>>>> it usually; I mean they know when they will assign in class writing.
>>>>> Students are given a certain  amount of time to write and then hand in
>>>>> the
>>>>> writing. They may share the writing with each other or the class as 
>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How do you handle in class writing assignments? Do you write them 
>>>>>>>> on a
>>>>> notetaker or laptop you take to school? How do you hand it in since we
>>>>> are
>>>>> not writing on paper? So far, I?ve usually written outside class and
>>>>> emailed the copy to the professor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have good enough braille skills to read from my braille display 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>> other students, but I don?t usually finish the writing.
>>>>>>>> I wish there was a computer lab in every building. Then I could 
>>>>>>>> walk
>>>>> over there, type my writing prompt and then email it to the professor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I look forward to ideas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ashley
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>>> Mary Fernandez
>>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
>>> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
>>> feel."
>>> ?
>>> Maya Angelou
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