[nabs-l] unaccommodating professors

Sat Jan 12 17:34:14 UTC 2013

Hi,
I think there is something called Save as text under the file menu in the 
free version of Adobe, because I have used it before. It is not in the Save 
As box though. It is its own separate item in the menu, and it lets you save 
the file as a text file.
Hth,
Misty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "wmodnl wmodnl" <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
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Cc: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
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Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] unaccommodating professors

> The only way to save a PDF as something else, is to use the professional 
> or full addition of Adobe.  You can not do this with the traditional Adobe 
> reader.   Make sure the computer has 9 or 10.  The link will read buy JFW 
> as:
> Adobe complete, or Adobe professional 9.0, etc.  Most DS offices have the 
> program and can make this conversion for you.  Hope this helps.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:21 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> well, I've tried that in other classes. I'm not dumb.
>> The computer either froze or the pdf would not allow me to save it as 
>> text. I think the publisher protected it somehow so you cannot change it.
>>
>> Also, as I've said before, the disability office has not and never  will 
>> give me a doc file.
>> Of course I asked for this. I wanted to put the doc file on a flash drive 
>> to read on my braillenote  in class.
>> They always tell me the publisher only can send pdfs; they have not 
>> invested the time to attempt to convert it themselves. Also, they could 
>> fight with the publisher if they wanted to for a more accessible format 
>> such as rtf or doc files.
>> But they don't.
>>
>> This community college does not go out of its way to help and accommodate 
>> students.
>> I often work out issues myself with professors and order my own books. I 
>> try and leave dss out of it. but when the professor wants you to take 
>> another class and goes to your dss counselor without your  knowledge, 
>> there is nothing you can do.
>> If he were going to work with me he would not have stepped behind me. The 
>> only reason
>> I know he went to dss was since the dss counselor called me and stated 
>> she spoke to him and wanted to discuss with me.
>>
>> I don't know what so called accomodations she was going to discuss and I 
>> never will know. We are not! discussing this bad situation. I should find 
>> an instructor willing to work with me. I
>> have never found this counselor helpful and I'm not talking to her. I 
>> think all she'll say is the challenges involved and when I ask for videos 
>> to be described by the professor or someone, she'll say the college isn't 
>> required to do it. I've asked for a braille test before, and she told me 
>> they don't have to provide my prefered format; I had to take i t 
>> auditorily.
>>
>> Given her relunctance to do much but the bare minimum of things, I think 
>> discussing it is fruitless and I'll simply look for other options and 
>> email her that.
>>
>> It’s a bad situation. Its shaken my trust somewhat. When you email 
>> professors it should remain between you and them period.
>> I expect to keep conversations between us since  all other students have 
>> this right.
>> No third party should be involved without your consent or knowledge. I am 
>> tempted to place in subsequent corespondence when I inquire about 
>> classes, that this communication is confidential. Heck, if anyone does 
>> this again, I will do that.
>>
>> Then, if they violate my right to privacy and confidentiality, I have 
>> written proof of it.
>>
>> Anyway, I'll see what happens next week when I go to class.
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Keith Biggs
>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 1:01 AM
>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley ; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] unaccommodating professors
>>
>> Hello,
>> There is a pretty simple way of converting PDF to TXT:
>> when you open the PDF go to
>> "save as other"
>> hit text
>> Enter the name and location and there you go.
>> Also, ask the disability center for a .doc and they should be 
>> accommodating,
>> I've never heard of one that wasn't for that.
>> There are a million other ways to get a PDF to TXT, but that is first.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> -----Original Message----- From: Misty Dawn Bradley
>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 9:45 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] unaccommodating professors
>>
>> Hi,
>> If you are able to get the book from Learning Ally, the books are set up 
>> to
>> where you can set them to go page by page, by chapter, by heading, or by
>> sentence, so this may help with at least finding the page number, and 
>> then
>> if you go by sentence or if there is a paragraph setting then you may be
>> able to find the paragraph easier.
>> Hth,
>> Misty
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" 
>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] unaccommodating professors
>>
>>
>>> Brandon,
>>> Yes professors are set inttheir ways. This is one of them. Students in 
>>> that class have to for instance, see paragraph 2 on page 14.
>>> I usually use audio formats so cannot use text to search.
>>> I have tried to get the electronic copy, but as I said before, they give 
>>> me pdfs which jaws has trouble reading.
>>> Even if jaws reads it, I don't have page numbers since the book is 
>>> broken down by chapters or parts.
>>> Each part or chapter is a large file.
>>> So its impossible to look at a book as others do.
>>>
>>> I'm glad it worked for you, but I know with videos coupled with the 
>>> reliance of books, it is a tough teaching style to follow.
>>>
>>> I just hate when professors are not willing to talk to you and go to the 
>>> dss office.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Keith Biggs
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:17 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] unaccommodating professors
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I had a superstar professor who did this. He was an older guy and he was
>>> very set in his ways. He had about 2000 students on his Corse load and 
>>> he
>>> was also an international star. He said I would probably fail his class
>>> because he used lots of pictures and he wrote lots on the board. He also
>>> said that I would not benefit from the top notch pictures he both 
>>> presented
>>> in front of the class and had in the textbook he wrote. He told my
>>> Disability counselor he was not sure how I would deal with the pop 
>>> quizzes.
>>> On top of that, I was an honors student who had a steeper grading scale 
>>> than
>>> the normal students.
>>> I told him not to worry, if he was willing to listen to me, we could 
>>> work
>>> something out. I took the head of the Accessibility department to one of 
>>> his
>>> office hours and we hammered him with every problem a week after class
>>> started and we gave solutions. We also presented alternatives for him to
>>> choose from. He then gave us his opinions and what he was willing to do.
>>> I talked to the professor every week and just made sure things were 
>>> going
>>> well on his part. I ended up getting an easy A in that class and that 
>>> was
>>> one of my favorite classes I have ever taken.
>>> May I ask why you can't read paragraphs other students are reading? I 
>>> just
>>> do a search for words in my word document.
>>> Teacher tells us to look at page 45, paragraph 7 that starts "He looked 
>>> to
>>> where her boots lay in the mud..."
>>> I search for that and it only takes a second to search through the whole
>>> book.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>
>>>
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